< 1254096065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, saw that one a few days ago while looking to see if there already exists any BF interpreter written in Python < 1254096074 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1254096076 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In sed* even < 1254096097 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one which works sans I/O (well, output simply prints all of memory atm) < 1254096589 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254098478 0 :_s_k_y_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254098479 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-108-167.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254098594 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254099218 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254099368 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254101716 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254103105 0 :supfoolz!n=10039756@h82-net08.simres.netcampus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1254103110 0 :supfoolz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi < 1254103214 0 :ludamad!n=10039756@nat023.dc-uoit.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254103300 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust Foolz (>-)*8(>[-])*20 < 1254103316 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ludamad_Foolz: 14.7 < 1254103406 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1254103407 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1254103415 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help brainfuck < 1254103416 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for brainfuck! < 1254103422 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1254103423 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null < 1254103435 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1254103436 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1254103621 0 :supfoolz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254105567 0 :ciribot!n=10039756@199.212.8.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254105949 0 :ludamad!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254107137 0 :ciribot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254108224 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1254110570 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254111950 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-55.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1254113288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys have some sheet music kthx http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op11.pdf < 1254113298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dankon. < 1254113730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty proud of this insane mess. < 1254114080 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254118182 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-209.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254119035 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is this your random music maker? < 1254119068 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The one in my head. Which is not particularly random. < 1254119073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254119091 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make a midi? < 1254119101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but I refuse to :P < 1254119104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a .ogg if you'd like. < 1254119107 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1254119127 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op11.ogg < 1254119130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can tell that would take too long for him to work out on a piano and, what's more, he lacks a piano < 1254119133 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254119205 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should get a keyboard < 1254119270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what then are you typing on? < 1254119271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254119279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, math test < 1254119566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So you hypothetically play the piano, minus the whole having one thing? < 1254119575 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: used to < 1254119585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like everyone "used to" play something. < 1254119589 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1254119612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice piece, though < 1254119620 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well thankee < 1254119622 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254119660 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it would have been beyond my ability to play back when I did have a piano) < 1254119743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like the 12/8 parts < 1254119780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody who I send it to has a different preferred part. This is probably a good thing. < 1254119894 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one question - is the 9♪ notation common? < 1254119900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, made it up :P < 1254119923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggests that Gregor perform his 11th opus < 1254119929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254119936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op11.ogg < 1254119938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's the ogg. < 1254119939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1254120004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite nice. < 1254120018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads the rest of them too :) < 1254120021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION follows along on the sheet music < 1254120027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I would advise that you do not :P < 1254120033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254120036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe op. 9 < 1254120040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op. 10 is awful. < 1254120042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254120044 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op. <9 is awful :P < 1254120094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has a very low opinion of himself. < 1254120104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only my music. < 1254120120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 5th through 8th opuses are wonderful, as is the 10th. < 1254120128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 9th I've not heard performed well enough to say. < 1254120146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my head it's quite nice :( < 1254120154 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the synth takes something away form it < 1254120156 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1254120170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a spooky piece < 1254120196 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, relatively anonymous computer scientists have a hard time getting quartets to play his pieces :P < 1254120224 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you can find a better synth < 1254120254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a worse one < 1254120258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather find better humans ^^ < 1254120270 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bad enough to be truly spooky, and not good enough to be good :D < 1254120344 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what program do you use? < 1254120350 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosegarden. < 1254120357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat :) < 1254120365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, by proxy, lilypond) < 1254120386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any chance I could get the file for 11? I might want to split it into bits < 1254120399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's linked on http://codu.org/music.php < 1254120404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1254120465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than a bit wonko though, as I created it with notation in mind. < 1254120482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it has extra tracks for combining multiple parts in one staff. < 1254120487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254120511 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just that it would make great atmosphere music, just not the whole thing at once < 1254120534 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is not terrible; it feels a bit random so far though < 1254120552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDIfied it's pretty awful. Could be better, but again, I made it for notation, not MIDI. < 1254120576 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the banging bits are pretty bad in MIDI; probably sound better with real music < 1254120623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"banging bits" refers specifically to? < 1254120670 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quick repetitive chords near the start < 1254120683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's where the comment about random came from) < 1254120688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1254120705 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the rest so far < 1254120716 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon further listening, I really ought to have just cut off the beginning X-D < 1254120748 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, I prefer 10 to 9 < 1254120891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second repetitive bit is much better. < 1254120903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignore the connotation on repetitive) < 1254120907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254120994 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway, op. 11 is better than op. 10 :P < 1254120999 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254121081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree with you there :) < 1254121266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1254121269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely have some compositional talent :) < 1254121310 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254121322 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254121358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain, seeing that P* just joined, miscompleted it into pikhq, and I went "wait, he's already here..." < 1254121377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took my an embarrassing amount of time to realize that the person who had just joined is, in fact, Pthing, and not pikhq at all. < 1254121387 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254121391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps this is because it's 2AM, and I ought to be asleep. < 1254121392 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herpaderpadoo < 1254121406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now he's ehird. < 1254121426 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious, anybody here program in ETA before? < 1254121473 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes. I'm very familiar with writing programs with an ETA of 100000 years+ :P < 1254121493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try not to program in terrorist organizations, personally < 1254121527 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETA as in the "ETANOSHI" ("Fungal toe!") variety < 1254121549 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever :-P < 1254121715 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not :-P < 1254121821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming befunge with your feet is not strictly recommended. i guess it's on topic though. < 1254121877 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETA ain't Befunge < 1254121887 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's an interpreter ;-) < 1254122049 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254122838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sleep is highly, highly overrated. < 1254123325 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1254124799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1254124800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254124831 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254125449 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254125451 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1254125788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254127233 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B137CA8.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254127673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1254131676 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254131962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great quote from fungot < 1254131962 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: from where does the hero alone have the power. " m, madam...! i am, are you?! c'mon!! < 1254132072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, looks like I got the first post today < 1254132078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad that IRC doesn't really work like forums < 1254132301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there was a jouster in here yesterday < 1254132304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust needs more love... < 1254136602 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254137679 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254137694 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254142446 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254142464 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254142611 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254145036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... you can learn a lot from flamewars < 1254145046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot is currently in a celsius vs. farenheit flamewar < 1254145060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently 0 degrees F has a meaning, which I didn't realise < 1254145067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 100 degrees F was meant to but they messed up < 1254145226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kelvin is the standard. That and ed. < 1254145244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, that's almost exactly the same argument in the two respective flamewars < 1254145934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 was meant to? < 1254145961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just the three 0/32/96 points < 1254145973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, the 96 was meant to be 100 < 1254145993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it? < 1254146022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't say so, for what little that's worth < 1254146050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just says he originally measured as 96 and this has since been corrected to 98.6 < 1254146643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254146813 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90d13@gateway/web/freenode/x-yqgyeqvdpknwdrbk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254147957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254148009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8x42 is a great resolution < 1254148021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254148037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you've got X at right now? < 1254148099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's something ehird used in a hyperbole a few days ago < 1254148102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading logs < 1254148124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when ehird gets online, I'll have to tell him that control-shift-alt-5 does regex replace in Emacs < 1254148134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot shorter to type than the M-x version < 1254148281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "C-M-%" is a lot shorter to type than "control-shift-alt-5", in addition to working even when your % does not happen to be shift-5. < 1254148335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254148340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when your meta happens not to be alt < 1254148358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more trying to point out what a ridiculous and unintuitive shortcut it was < 1254148365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of Emacs' shortcuts actually make sense, that one doesn't < 1254148463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, and "vendekabibyte" /still/ has no Google results < 1254148474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to do a recrawl of the Tunes logs, obviously < 1254148567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "makes sense" in the sense that it's an extension of the M-% query-replace, but that one doesn't really work for me. I guess you could invent some sort of vague justification on the % glyph, though; something like it being a stylized form of "x/y", standing for "replace x with y". < 1254148765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1254148773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and everyone else too I guess) < 1254148790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1254148807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, looks like I got the first post today <-- huh? "08:27:18 Gregor: Sleep is highly, highly overrated." < 1254148819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in tunes-log time < 1254148831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no idea what timezone it may use < 1254148842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed utc, due to that being the standard in computing < 1254148849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses one of the US timezones, I think < 1254148897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and apparently 0 degrees F has a meaning, which I didn't realise <-- what meaning? < 1254148909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: freezing point of saturated saltwater < 1254148917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was set there to make it easy to calibrate thermometers < 1254148933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with the level of technology Farenheit had, saturated saltwater was much easier to come by than distilled water < 1254148982 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-064-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254149014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254150182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and 100 degrees F was meant to but they messed up <-- what is 96 for F then? < 1254150236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: human body temperature < 1254150236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an awful thing to base a temperature scale on, as it isn't particularly constant < 1254150256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was more trying to point out what a ridiculous and unintuitive shortcut it was <-- not really. C-M-% doesn't seem so silly? < 1254150272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: holding down /three/ modifier keys, then pressing a digit? < 1254150278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and? < 1254150286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what other program uses that sort of shortcut? < 1254150320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. iirc Visual Studio used stuff like C-, release, press another key < 1254150324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that equally bad? < 1254150335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(emacs has those too) < 1254150340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x C-c for example < 1254150365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me those are both equally weird < 1254150366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are less bad, I think < 1254150386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hold control with the little finger of the left hand and press x and c in a row with the second and third < 1254150393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it an amazingly fast shortcut to type < 1254150398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-M-% needs both hands... < 1254150417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't. However it is rather uncomfortable to use only one hand < 1254150449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumb on alt. index finger on 5, little finger on ctrl, finger next to little finger on shift < 1254150455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good idea, but works < 1254150474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise alt and 5 on the left hand and ctrl and shift on the right hand < 1254150494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to there being no alt on the right side, only altgr, which is quite different) < 1254150514 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1254151064 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254151259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 98.6 fahrenheit in celcius < 1254151261 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: convert 98.6o Fahrenheit to Celsius. 98.6 - 32 = 66.6 66.6 * 5/9 = 333/ 9 = 37o C. There is a mental math method to approximate the Fahrenheit to ... < 1254151273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1254151304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254151308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 98.6 fahrenheit in celsius < 1254151308 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98.6 degrees Fahrenheit = 37 degrees Celsius < 1254151451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : they need to do a recrawl of the Tunes logs, obviously < 1254151469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the impression google doesn't crawl the logs reliably at all < 1254151501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't find things when searching for them, although some pages are there < 1254151606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least i don't find things when searching for them, although some pages are there <-- that is why you instead use grep locally < 1254151637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require me to download the logs, though < 1254151660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus that lets you search for who said something, quite useful if you know who you were discussing it with but nowhere near when < 1254151661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1254151960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assumed utc, due to that being the standard in computing <-- duh, that would have been far too convenient and rememberable < 1254151968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot have that < 1254152154 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254152194 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afaik the logs uses some Americanish time format? < 1254152288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably host local time < 1254152319 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:06:32] making it an amazingly fast shortcut to type < 1254152324 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about us poor dvorakians? :< < 1254152336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can remap all their Emacs shortcuts to the same relative places on the keyboards < 1254152343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone probably was mad enough to do that...) < 1254152349 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolly < 1254152460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is true, C-x C-c is fast < 1254152473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (someone probably was mad enough to do that...) <-- pretty sure yes < 1254152479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen an .emacs for it < 1254152489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading up on the recent Reddit worm < 1254152512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like redefining the keys, rather than remapping each individual key. then redefining self insert to insert the key that actually is on the key < 1254152518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1254152536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way even those in various modes and such were properly remapped < 1254152585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would make sense < 1254152593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I love the concept of redefining self-insert-command < 1254152605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of, the command that makes Emacs an editor rather than an OS < 1254152634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reddit worm? O_O < 1254152717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was < 1254152718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been fixed < 1254152730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there was an exploit in the parser that let people post arbitrary JS on link mouseover < 1254152746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the JS spammed instances of comments containing such links all over the thread < 1254152749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also into people's inboxes < 1254152763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after a while, there were loads of links full of hex all over Reddit < 1254152830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of interesting, actually, as you have to write a quine to do that correctly < 1254153118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1254153164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have made it so it advanced 1 step in a calculation every time it spread < 1254153173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could use Reddit worms to do parallel computing via people's browsers < 1254153173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long ago was that? < 1254153186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yesterday, apparently < 1254154850 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254154883 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-89.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254154920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/games/bin/gvba: Symbol `_ZTIN3Gtk6WidgetE' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking < 1254154920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1254154921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that one before < 1254154925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictably it segfaults < 1254154939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that error before either < 1254154967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why a source based distro is so much better, relinking is trivial, while on ubuntu it would be a more complex process. < 1254154982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, since ubuntu isn't rolling release it is less likely to happen) < 1254155057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails in this way after that first message: < 1254155059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gvba:2272): glibmm-CRITICAL **: Glib::Interface::Interface(const Glib::Interface_Class&): assertion `gobject_ != 0' failed < 1254155059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gvba:2272): glibmm-CRITICAL **: Glib::Interface::Interface(const Glib::Interface_Class&): assertion `gobject_ != 0' failed < 1254155059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1254155067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254155074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was compiled in 2007 says eix < 1254155610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think about this: < 1254155613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* app-text/passivetex < 1254155613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Available versions: 1.25 < 1254155613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Homepage: http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Software/passivetex/ < 1254155613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Description: A namespace-aware XML parser written in Tex < 1254155616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1254155627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any opinion; should I have one? < 1254155635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, just read the description < 1254155640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that no one sane would write an xml parser *in* TeX < 1254155648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's TC, isn't it? < 1254155649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a reasonable one < 1254155660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, which one of you made it? < 1254155677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and it even has console IO iirc < 1254155684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, haha < 1254155891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: someone submitted an entry in TeX at the 2008 IOCCC contest < 1254155903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which considering it was a real-time routing task, was quite impressive < 1254156021 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, if it's TC it's doable :D < 1254156045 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then surely someone must've done BF in TeX < 1254156082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um don't those have to be in C? < 1254156099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? there were lots of entries in other langs < 1254156105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there? < 1254156107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was in C because it looked like the best lang for the job < 1254156108 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that either < 1254156133 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254156139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this is IO_C_CC ? < 1254156148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... I meant ICFP < 1254156167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected that < 1254156196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with a TeX entry it sounds like someone else was confused... < 1254157101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun, it won the judges' prize < 1254158178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, one thing works, when I search "internet protocol", manually type in the names of the protocols, and add a "port number" column, it gives the correct answers. But "color" for HTTP gives a URL, and "Command" for "HTTP" is "yes" < 1254158185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want a version of yes that works over the web < 1254158218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should I learn emacs, or vi? <--- ouch DO NOT ASK THAT QUESTION ANYWHERE < 1254158370 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@81.50.161.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254158664 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254159237 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254161398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should I learn emacs, or vi? <--- ouch DO NOT ASK THAT QUESTION ANYWHERE <-- why not? The answer is obviously emacs anyway. < 1254161420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: flamewars are bad < 1254161437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of the easiest ways to incite a flamewar in channels with a high percentage of Unixy people < 1254161450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you might get away with it on support.microsoft.com or somewhere highly Windows-centric like that < 1254161456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, you'd get a bit of one I suspect < 1254161518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I hate the karma thing; I mentioned offhand yesterday in a conversation that's this new three-monitor setup is nice; today the biggest and newest monitor (the 24" 1920x1200 one) of the three went and completely died. < 1254161520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on support.microsoft.com you should ask about notepad vs. wordpad I guess < 1254161539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it under warranty? < 1254161540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, warranty? < 1254161550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just no, they're both awful < 1254161553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I already asked it < 1254161559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about warranty < 1254161566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1254161566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, they'll recommend Visual Studio < 1254161585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is apparently decent for Windows development, even though I've known it to take over 10 minutes to load < 1254161593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anything you *could* make a flameward about on support.microsoft.com (is that a forum or something?) < 1254161603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 10 minutes? what sort of computer < 1254161605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has a forum, although it isn't a forum itself < 1254161608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can figure out, it should be; bought April 2008, and should be three years. Though I'm not quite sure what they'll do since the actual model is discontinued, and the newer ones seem very focused on the 16:9 1080-line things. < 1254161613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite a powerful one, it was doing stuff over the network though < 1254161618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, ais's warranty question was here before AnMaster's. < 1254161649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so it's not completely dead: the USB hub still works. It's just that a two-port USB hub the shape of a 24" TFT is still not especially useful.) < 1254161649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, two second difference here :/ < 1254161649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my favour < 1254161673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, won't they have to replace it with a comparable product? < 1254161686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any screen is better than a dead one < 1254161712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they will, but their view might be that a new 1920x1080 screen is "comparable" to a 1920x1200 one. But it doesn't work in this multihead setup as well. < 1254161755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we'll see. Oh, and the chain has closed their nearby stores, too. < 1254161784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well you will have to tell them that you need same hight due to using it in a "professional work-critical multi display setup" or something < 1254161806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mission-critical. < 1254161811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that's the term < 1254161820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you get the basic idea anyway, refine it as required < 1254162064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254163694 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-134-233.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254164400 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B133779.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254164996 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-151-229.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254165029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1254166667 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254166737 0 :coppro!n=coppro@csi.calgaryscientific.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254167024 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254170467 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254170587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254170590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1254170599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does backspace after ∉ change it into a ∈ for you? < 1254170612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why? because selecting with arrow selects the whole thing < 1254170613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1254170633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does; and it's probably made out of a composed character. < 1254170656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, ∈ and the compositing /. Those work a bit confusingly sometimes, w.r.t. selection and backspace. < 1254170669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1254170670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combining, I mean. < 1254170685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ⊊ < 1254170685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not composing. Although I guess you could say it like that too. < 1254170715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a custom character; there's not really a / that'd apply to a part of the character. < 1254170759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't really know. If I copy the U+2209 not-an-element-of, ∉, directly, the backspace still removes the slash from it. < 1254170773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something's doing some normalization somewhere, but I'm not quite sure who's responsible. < 1254170787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1254170798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode characters are working badly on this computer < 1254170824 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every line with a Unicode character has something like 4x the line height < 1254170837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same thing happens with "does not divide" and "not parallel to" characters; ∤ and ∦. For those backspace here also removes the slash, even though those really aren't made out of the combining slash. < 1254170886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't experience any of that normalization behavior in CZ, but I have noticed that with combining characters in the past < 1254170912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the curly i for imaginary unit < 1254170918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NOT blackboard bold one < 1254170941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those all do have a "canonical decomposition" entry in the Unicode database (for the base character + combining long solidus overlay), so if you were to apply that decomposition you'd get that sort of backspace behaviour. Still, it's a bit strange. < 1254170965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably look at the raw log and see if it sends out the decomposited form to IRC, or just the character itself. < 1254170977 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@83.194.188.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254171005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what sort of curly imaginary unit there is; do you mean ℑ, which is often used to mean "take the imaginary part of something"? < 1254171023 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254171242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean like the i but rendered as in http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/d/79d8d2ba30e45d4a35d3f6c1fed419ba.png < 1254171331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's italic i. < 1254171344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: yo. < 1254171371 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254171376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't think there's a special symbol; they couldn't really start providing italic forms for everything. The "letterlike symbols" contains generally things that are more... symbol-like. < 1254171426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly there's ℹ but that's the "information source" symbol, meant to be used with the combining enclosing circle: ℹ⃝ < 1254171465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a small serifed i for me. < 1254171470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really italic at all... < 1254171477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not italic. < 1254171490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seems I was wrong: there's a whole "mathematical alphanumeric symbols" block. < 1254171494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outside BMP, but it's there. < 1254171509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can use the U+1d456 mathematic italic small i: 𝑖 < 1254171587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's bold, italic, bold italic, script, "bold fraktur", sans-serif, sans-serif bold, sans-serif italic, sans-serif bold italic and monospace variants of all of [A-Za-z]. < 1254171631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold fraktur < 1254171634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally bad-ass. < 1254171638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, and also for [Α-Ωα-ω0-9]. < 1254171640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm naming my kid that < 1254171643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bold Fraktur Hird < 1254171657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to be a father?! Congratulations! < 1254171671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1254171681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a father of a bold fraktur... IN YOUR SKULL < 1254171686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1254171702 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1254171710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd < 1254171711 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those Greek letters didn't screw with the line spacing < 1254171719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did your mother. < 1254171742 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, those are neither funny nor good insults < 1254171743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔗𝔥𝔢𝔰𝔢 𝔞𝔯𝔢 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔡 𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 𝔰𝔶𝔪𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔰. (If your font has them.) < 1254171763 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I spin them around they read the same? < 1254171764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck < 1254171766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks awesome fizzie < 1254171790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to type in that < 1254171791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1254171801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly looks very 𝔞𝔲𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔦𝔱𝔞𝔱𝔦𝔳𝔢. < 1254171802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't; I lack the fonts < 1254171819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice for 𝔢𝔪𝔭𝔥𝔞𝔰𝔦𝔰. < 1254171825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it looks *awesome* < 1254171830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: codepoints? < 1254171841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: U+1d51e onwards. < 1254171855 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it adds a lot of vertical padding to the line. < 1254171856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, it I lack the monospaced fonts < 1254171861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox can show them < 1254171864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, they renamed the Software Store to Software Center < 1254171867 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it I/I/ < 1254171918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah good < 1254171944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Admittedly there's ℹ but that's the "information source" symbol, meant to be used with the combining enclosing circle: ℹ⃝ <-- no circle here < 1254171950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better Windows X server than Xming, out of curiosity? < 1254171952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Looks like this in XChat to me, though that's really pretty small: http://zem.fi/~fis/florb.png < 1254171983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your XChat falls back to non-monospaced fonts, I see < 1254171991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nope, why? < 1254171996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: using colinux? < 1254172007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks quite similar for me in firefox < 1254172008 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: VM < 1254172017 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not colinux, just a regular VM < 1254172027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try colinux, it looks cool. < 1254172034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xming is the best, though < 1254172037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with it? < 1254172050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, just wondering if I was running a suboptimal variant < 1254172055 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's working great < 1254172064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried the new versions of anything, but Xming used to beat WinaXe, at least. < 1254172086 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running an X server on Windows >>>>> using a DE in the VM < 1254172110 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this alone is why X beats native windowing technologies < 1254172147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bold fraktur <-- wow < 1254172175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin's X server was popular among the 3D graphics course people, since it correctly did stencil-buffer in remote-opengl. (The official "has to run on this" platform was FreeBSD, and all the Windows users wanted to test their homework remotely.) < 1254172184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 𝔗𝔥𝔢𝔰𝔢 𝔞𝔯𝔢 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔡 𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 𝔰𝔶𝔪𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔰. (If your font has them.) <-- ARGH dejavu doesn't! < 1254172200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know where my xchat picks those up. < 1254172212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you have a client that correctly falls back to fonts with symbols when they aren't available in the current one < 1254172213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could even be the Mathematica fonts. < 1254172213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My font appears identical to fizzie's. < 1254172217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1254172220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Mathematica. < 1254172222 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have them here on Windows < 1254172234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat atm < 1254172235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Mathematica either, I just have the ttf-mathematica package. < 1254172252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I do. < 1254172270 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while I haven't been the only person to install software on it, I can't imagine anyone installed anything with a fraktur font < 1254172341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I checked all installed fonts, none have them < 1254172344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ^ < 1254172354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even fonts I got from an OS X computer < 1254172390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't have Mathematica either, I just have the ttf-mathematica package. <-- is that in ubuntu? < 1254172402 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254172431 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what os? < 1254172434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Stock Ubuntu install has it. < 1254172439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, maybe not. < 1254172441 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/XV6EK.png <- firefox does this too. < 1254172442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install ttf-liberation. < 1254172454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or liberation-ttf, rather. < 1254172456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Linux. Ubuntu atm < 1254172466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1254172467 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: yeah, that's what I'm seeing. It's weird < 1254172472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sudo apt-get install ttf-liberation < 1254172473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, < 1254172476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install ttf-droid < 1254172478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably liberation < 1254172480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's to do with the font being used, not the symbols < 1254172494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, it's probably Liberation < 1254172496 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the symbols that TNR displays correctly are not causing that to happen < 1254172514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite full and type-like, which is more of a Liberation feature than DejaVu < 1254172514 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unifont should expand onto the other planes < 1254172517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, apt-get claims already installed < 1254172524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ttf-liberations < 1254172526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ttf-liberation* < 1254172529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to list all installed packages? < 1254172533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grep ttf- to see which I have < 1254172537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1254172540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mathematica fonts are non-free, I would say. < 1254172562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: dpkg --get-selections | grep installed < 1254172580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I've just been using "dpkg-query -l | grep ^i". < 1254172590 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work too < 1254172597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with dpkg0query < 1254172604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get-selections can filter by pattern too < 1254172605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you have ttf-mscorefonts-installer? < 1254172611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg --list < 1254172612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if coppro has them on Windows, then... < 1254172613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work here < 1254172635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I don't have that one < 1254172639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: isn't that just an alias for dpkg-query? < 1254172646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, install it; it'll get you Arial, Verdana, Georgia etc. < 1254172650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get msttcorefonts < 1254172650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, maybe. I'm really not an ubuntu user < 1254172653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And almost certainly the bold frakturs. < 1254172655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: same package < 1254172656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dpkg --list" lists also non-purged not-installed things. (Like "dpkg-query -l".) < 1254172677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but yeah, "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" should do it < 1254172678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, moving back and forth between a ThinkPad and other computer is highly annoying < 1254172684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1254172686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why? < 1254172696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This package exists to facilitate upgrades to ttf-mscorefonts-installer. < 1254172696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can safely be removed from your system. < 1254172697 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl key < 1254172698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254172705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, install ttf-mscorefonts-installer instead < 1254172709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah < 1254172715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mathematica-fonts, ttf-jsmath and xfonts-mathml all installed, I think any of those might have them too. < 1254172720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so stop using non-thinkpad computers :P < 1254172725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your screenshot is identical to the text here < 1254172726 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ThinkPads it's not the bottom-left key; that's the Fn key < 1254172728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be one I have installed < 1254172731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, I know < 1254172778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the modifier keys are small since the T43 because of the windows key; are you making any errors? < 1254172778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm getting one... < 1254172803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you happen to have xfonts-mathml? (Iceweasel/firefox suggests that -- and latex-xft-fonts, which is another possibility -- though does not really depend on it.) < 1254172818 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not other than mixing the Ctrl and Fn up < 1254172890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: aren't the alt/windows keys upsettingly small? < 1254172904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small, but not upsettingly so < 1254172907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I forget how to check if I have it. < 1254172924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm intending to use it as my only computer, so if it's at all annoying I guess I'll replace the keyboard with the T43s < 1254172924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have mathematica-fonts, ttf-jsmath and xfonts-mathml all installed, I think any of those might have them too. <-- first one is not found as ubuntu package as far as I can tell...? < 1254172926 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254172926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*T43's < 1254172936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not that, I don't have it < 1254172984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's in debian/non-free, I'm not sure what that would translate in Ubuntu, if anything. Maybe not. < 1254173005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: U+1d51e onwards. < 1254173005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo? < 1254173051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. < 1254173055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D51E;MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR SMALL A;Ll;0;L; 0061;;;;N;;;;; < 1254173055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, trying to paste it into oowriter crashed oowriter < 1254173067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> print u'\u1D51E'.encode('utf-8') < 1254173067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᵑE < 1254173106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that \u for four-character hex constants? < 1254173107 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D400.pdf < 1254173119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print u'\U0001D51E'.encode('utf-8') instead. < 1254173123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no luck with mscorefonts < 1254173126 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D56C is the first one < 1254173127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, BMP thingy. < 1254173129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried all the fonts on the text in openoffice < 1254173132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sudo apt-get install ttf-* < 1254173135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254173141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, openoffice is teh sux < 1254173141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I jumped directly to small letters, yes. < 1254173148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's 138 packages < 1254173153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know where else to try fonts < 1254173163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :character map? < 1254173167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh, and just the "fraktur" font, not "bold fraktur". < 1254173177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only fraktur is BOLD. < 1254173185 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is irritated at KDE's lack of UTF-32 support < 1254173188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is non-bold fraktur < 1254173196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean UCS-4 < 1254173199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should've said 1D56C indeed, since ehird explicitly specified the BOLD one. < 1254173205 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D504 < 1254173217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THEM < 1254173222 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually, it would be more accurate for me to say 'multiplanar support' < 1254173228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yah < 1254173229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1254173242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises that writing a script to translate text to bold fraktur would be work; gives up < 1254173245 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE has a fit at anything past U+FFFF < 1254173256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE sux < 1254173261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux dik < 1254173281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I actually accidentally used fraktur (instead of bold fraktur) in the bits I spoke here; they're really quite similar. < 1254173282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what unicode block < 1254173296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh. i recognize bold fraktur then < 1254173324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "mathematical alphanumeric symbols", didn't I mention the name up there? < 1254173363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I forgot to list plain fraktur and the double-struck font variant in that list of what the block has. < 1254173386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no font in the char map has it < 1254173394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me which one you claim has it < 1254173406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was looking at 𝔍 < 1254173417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fraktur capital j) < 1254173438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔑𝔬𝔯𝔪𝔞𝔩 and 𝖇𝖔𝖑𝖉 𝖋𝔣𝖗𝔯𝖆𝔞𝖐𝔨𝖙𝔱𝖚𝔲𝖗𝔯, side by side here. < 1254173452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not such a huge difference. < 1254173463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, just boxes here < 1254173463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1254173542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in jsmath either < 1254173545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them looks bold. < 1254173556 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not visibly so on here < 1254173610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sudo apt-get install ttf-droid <-- nor that < 1254173620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just install every font ever! < 1254173628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's like 138 packages < 1254173629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1254173637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me what ones you have installed < 1254173677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttf-freefont, perhaps? < 1254173687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already installed < 1254173690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttf-opensymbol? ttf-dejavu-extra? < 1254173700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both already installed < 1254173719 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254173729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check in your char map? < 1254173734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding out which font the characters come shouldn't be this hard; I copy-pasted that stuff to openoffice, exported as PDF, ran through ghostscript with the gazillion "embed all fonts" flags, and the result was a .pdf that displays correctly all right, but "pdffonts" lists just TimesNewRomanPSMT and FreeSerif, which don't sound likely candidates. < 1254173734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one has it < 1254173747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeSeri. < 1254173750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FreeSerif. < 1254173755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := ttf-freefont, prolly < 1254173772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you verify freeserif has them there < 1254173784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since according to the char map it doesn't here < 1254173788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using jaunty btw < 1254173793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you are using karmic or something < 1254173816 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1254173817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character map agreed. Upgrade to Karmic then. < 1254173828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerry: who are you. < 1254173828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, karmic was buggy last I tried it < 1254173835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a rock solid system < 1254173842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll upgrade once it stabilised a bit < 1254173843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmic doesn't have ext4 bugs; is therefore >>> Jaunty < 1254173850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it was fully released < 1254173854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what ext4 bugs? < 1254173859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmic is only buggy if you use the messaging menu. :P < 1254173863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Telepathy < 1254173868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Empathy < 1254173869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OO.o with KDE < 1254173871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a UI bug < 1254173887 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the kernel sometimes locks up when deleting ext4 files on Jaunty < 1254173914 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1254173915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, odd, never had such problems and I do use ext4 < 1254173949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fact that it networkmanager segfaulted put me off < 1254173954 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they only manifested for me after a while of using Jaunty < 1254173954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frigging font substitution thing is annoying. I don't really think gucharmap can tell where the fonts come from, since the character selection thing seems to only affect things when there are multiple sources. No matter what font I select, I get the same mathematical symbols. < 1254173965 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least gucharmap > kcharselect < 1254173978 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMP? What's that? < 1254173986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Jaunty segfaults sometimes too... < 1254174011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, networkmanager? not here < 1254174016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, I mean. < 1254174016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But indeed, Karmic is unpolished, especially if you upgrade from Jaunty. < 1254174019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "sometimes" is wrong < 1254174031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because it was "didn't even start at all, so was unable to reach network" < 1254174036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, segfault always < 1254174038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictably < 1254174049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was some open bug about it already < 1254174054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot bug id < 1254174073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so I'm waiting for karmic to become stable before I even think about upgrading < 1254174077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside vmware < 1254174081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or virtualbox < 1254174109 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm not kidding about OO.o on KDE. My bug was entitled "KDE file dialog is utterly broken" and no one has debated the appropriateness of the name; < 1254174111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, one font that definitely *has* those symbols is "eufm10" (from the ttf-lyx package), but it's another thing altogether whether it just contains the ascii range in that font, or also that Unicode "mathematical alphanumeric symbols" range mapped. < 1254174147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't expect shitty software to segfault and leave me to fix it I wouldn't be running Linux < 1254174188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has not seen a noticeable segfault problem on Karmic Koala Kubuntu (sorry) < 1254174240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medibuntu Masturbating Monkey. < 1254174256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll just install fontforge, at least that should be able to definitely tell me what a font contains. < 1254174274 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-10-16.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254174510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice messages in the terminal: < 1254174511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help! Server claimed font < 1254174511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -dejavu-dejavu serif-bold-o-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 < 1254174511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : existed in the font list, but when I asked for it there was nothing. < 1254174513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I may crash soon. < 1254174571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I may crash soon." :D < 1254174612 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254174638 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1254174728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we must now carry out his sentence < 1254174728 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but, we are far outnumbered!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! < 1254174731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "this sentence" < 1254174735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was wonderfully hofstadterian < 1254175238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. I ran find /usr/share/fonts -iname '*.ttf' and applied the result to a script that used "fontimage --text" to write something with bold fraktur in it; the end result was that in *all* fonts I got just boxes. Either it's a font not there, a font not .ttf, or something's clever enough to substitute those Unicode chars from different codepoints in a math font, which sounds unlikely. < 1254175245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Musts do other things now. → < 1254175523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It surely is .ttf... < 1254175539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I also have Humor Sans in ~/.fonts, but I highly doubt it's that. < 1254175548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.com/2009/03/xkcdsucks-is-proud-to-present-humor.html) < 1254175605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cuddlefish? < 1254175613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about that part. < 1254175674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using different samples for caps and lowercase is a nice touch < 1254176070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Okay, one font that definitely *has* those symbols is "eufm10" (from the ttf-lyx package), but it's another thing altogether whether it just contains the ascii range in that font, or also that Unicode "mathematical alphanumeric symbols" range mapped. <-- no tty-lyx here < 1254176099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, apt-cache says it doesn't exist < 1254176121 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you know how you should never believe computer manufacturer's claims about battery life of computers? < 1254176135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ttf-lyx is not tty-lyx. < 1254176152 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out that if I leave my new computer idle, it has more than 5 hours battery life O_o < 1254176160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err ttf was what I wrote in ther terminal < 1254176162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the* < 1254176167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not on irc < 1254176167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not much life for idling really. < 1254176187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading package lists... Done < 1254176187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building dependency tree < 1254176187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading state information... Done < 1254176187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Couldn't find package ttf-lyx < 1254176192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily drop it < 1254176197 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn off wireless card, dim screen, etc. < 1254176211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, s/drop/raise/ < 1254176212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot for my experience < 1254176222 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yeah. Meant drop consumption < 1254176222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but nobody idles a computer for 5 hours < 1254176242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bleh. I ran find /usr/share/fonts -iname '*.ttf' and applied the result to a script that used "fontimage --text" to write something with bold fraktur in it; the end result was that in *all* fonts I got just boxes. Either it's a font not there, a font not .ttf, or something's clever enough to substitute those Unicode chars from different codepoints in a math font, which sounds unlikely. <-- mi < 1254176242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ght indeed be a bitmap font < 1254176268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, there's no trouble changing the size. < 1254176279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then... < 1254176303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it seems that "ttf-lyx" is in Ubuntu indeed, but only in karmic, not in jaunty. < 1254176314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I can't be sure that's what the characters come from. < 1254176330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. if ehird doesn't happen to have that font installed. < 1254176345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1254176352 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call it the Magic Fallback Font < 1254176367 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it could just be Pango shenanigans < 1254176392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be < 1254176412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how all the blackboard bold math ones in there are the same for almost all fonts < 1254176419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the gucharmap thing < 1254176424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, here's what font-related packages I have installed; at least those with sensible names (i.e. ttf or font in the name): https://pastee.org/53k6b < 1254176425 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, is there one of a) a C++ inteface to Pango b) a mechanism to use Pango with SDL? < 1254176449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gucharmap uses fallback fonts; so if one font on your system has it, it will be used for all fonts that don't < 1254176475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that is rather irritating if you wish to check what fonts have it < 1254176492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SDL_Pango project, I think. Don't know if it's actually used or works or developed or recent or anything. < 1254176521 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KCharSelect doesn't, but it sucks in other ways < 1254176527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as not having the SMP < 1254176623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ttf-lyx. < 1254176757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is ttf-mathematica4.1 < 1254176767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found a relatively nice font-manager which can view mapped glyphs for a font. < 1254176769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that tries to download from wolfram and gets a 404 < 1254176774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't actually work < 1254176789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1254176806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now that I think of it, you could probably hack something together using Pango < 1254176885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still just a "examine one font at a time" solution, though; I can't seem to find a "enter a glyph, find all fonts providing it" feature. < 1254176988 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, I'm saying automate it by having Pango check to see if the font has the character < 1254177001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, you go do that. :p < 1254177041 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has coded in Pango once before... and forgotten it, pretty much < 1254177148 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254177531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254177669 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-162-151-229.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254177695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "find a font by raster image" function, but it fails. Also browsing through sample texts didn't really help. < 1254177748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only thing the program told me is that it isn't ttf-lyx, because the eufm10 font in ttf-lyx has different-looking glyphs for those characters. < 1254178037 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, gtkmm has a pangomm library < 1254178128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a "find a font by raster image" function, but it fails. Also browsing through sample texts didn't really help. <-- what app? < 1254178134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fontmatrix. < 1254178289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if the gucharmap shows the symbol you can right click it and see what font it is really from < 1254178304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1254178310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *so* didn't know that. < 1254178313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just found out by mistake < 1254178320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is from FreeSerif indeed. < 1254178350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've just trusted the "pdffonts" output from the oowriter-generated PDF. < 1254178365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but at the correct code point? < 1254178379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and all my blackboard bold are from dejavu sans or dejavu serif < 1254178383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one varies < 1254178389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pango_font_get_coverage could be used on each font in succession < 1254178392 0 :Asztal^_^!n=asztal@86.156.193.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254178401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wellll, how should I know? All I know is that when I right-click one of the fraktur/bold fraktur fonts in gucharmap, it says "FreeSerif" down there. < 1254178436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it took me two minutes to look up. It would probably take me 5 minutes to hack together a program to check a font for a character < 1254178466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not sure how useful that is now, when it turns out gucharmap can tell where the one it displays comes from. < 1254178472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, if you *want* to make one. < 1254178528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the reference, my FreeSerif font is from the ttf-freefont package, version 20090104-4. < 1254178579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver 20080323-3 here < 1254178595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there. < 1254178606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, this was far too difficult. < 1254178607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I prefer mostly stable jaunty < 1254178670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll miss out on the fraktur fun. Though I don't think it's that widely used in IRC. < 1254178693 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1254178703 0 :Asztal^_^!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1254178720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strange fonts: ttf-junicode < 1254178747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Description: a Unicode font for medievalists (Latin, IPA and Runic)" < 1254178755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know "medievalists" was even a word < 1254178759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(valid word*) < 1254178801 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254178857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what was the package for "get evince to integrate into firefox"? < 1254179008 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" < 1254179058 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254179118 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254179447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, your system is called "eris"? < 1254179509 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-176.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254180085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night -> < 1254180290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1254180720 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254180918 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254181834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; i've gone Greek for the names here nowadays; I have eris, iris, momus, hermes, thalia, antheia, styx, charon, dionysus, tartarus, and maybe something I've forgotten already. They all have some sort of point, though they are a bit far-fetched. < 1254181837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asleep also, anyway. < 1254181852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you please send a fraktur character to the channel? < 1254182129 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Like "MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR CAPITAL A"? Unfortunately, that caracter doesn't seem to want to copy'n'paste here... < 1254182137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, what was the package for "get evince to integrate into firefox"? < 1254182147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozplugger; don't bother, it's very buggy < 1254182150 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: aye < 1254182153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also absorbs all keystrokes < 1254182157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't go back or close tab without using the mouse < 1254182164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do all plugins :( < 1254182238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, most of them let you ctrl-w at least < 1254182242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I spoilt by Safari's plugins, which let you? < 1254182242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Cmd-w < 1254182259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all pdf plugins are so misguided, because they're not identical to Safari's.