00:13:04 "Rmime-mode has one annoying feature: if you sort your messages, you lost your attachments. I find it great otherwise." <-- *blink* 00:13:28 Clearly it needs a preference "[ ] Don't delete my attachments". 00:13:38 AnMaster would probably defend it by saying he changed it :P 00:13:40 00:14:09 ehird, that would be zzo-ish 00:14:41 I was just wondering how the hell that person I quoted could consider it a feature 00:15:14 AnMaster: a gnomist like i would claim that a lot of existing preferences tend to amount to "don't break" :P 00:15:33 (e.g. from a usability perspective; "[ ] Be usable") 00:16:43 ehird, arguing that a KDE user or anything would consider "delete attachments if you sort mail" a feature... is just insane 00:16:54 it's called hyperbole for the sake of making a point 00:17:05 ehird, a very bad analogy 00:17:25 i never said analogy. and of course you don't think it's a good whatever because you hate the perspective 00:17:38 funnily enough i didn't say it for you to appreciate 00:17:50 ehird, and this was an emacs mode btw 00:18:16 where I do think someone could claim it as a feature 00:18:17 :P 00:24:20 Aren't most of attachments virii anyway? :-> 00:25:02 Ilari, I thought they were usually diffs? ;P 00:29:00 I'm rewarding myself with a cookie for getting my python to interpret very simple brainfuck... brb 00:29:54 i'd class that more crumb level :P 00:29:55 I wrote a trivial interpreter in python recently. 00:30:13 didn't get around to input iirc 00:30:25 -!- p0nce has joined. 00:30:43 wait hm I did 00:30:55 it was too slow to run anything non-trivial though 00:31:30 ehird, I've not even studied any of this in my course yet though. And I'm really stupid. This is an achievement for me :-) 00:32:35 it didn't use a "store position" model, rather it parsed it into a recursive list of tuples 00:34:39 Tinned_Tuna: yay stupidity! 00:34:40 or something 00:34:49 -!- p0nce has left (?). 00:35:20 ehird, try to be nice... or something 00:35:28 AnMaster: uh, he called himself stupid 00:35:35 Tinned_Tuna: Try to be nice! To... yourself. 00:36:10 it's true though, before I came to uni I was very, very dumb 00:36:11 -!- coppro has joined. 00:36:18 ehird, the nice way would have been "oh I don't think you are stupid, it is like that for most people in the beginning" 00:36:32 or something like that 00:36:39 I look back at code from less than a year ago and just cringe so very hard. 00:36:40 AnMaster: and if the world was filled with people who said shit like that all the time it'd be overwhelmingly boring 00:36:54 ehird, oh good point indeed 00:38:20 everyone thinks they were stupid a few years ago fwiw 00:40:52 ehird, but do they think they were stupid enough that they would punch their previous selves in the face should they get the opportunity to meet them? 00:41:09 well, most people aren't that violent. :P 00:44:52 http://pastebin.ca/1578482 in case anyone cares about my more or less crappy bf interpreter in python. Wrote it as part of learning python. It is very suboptimal compared to optimising ones I wrote before in other languages. 00:45:03 night now → 00:45:21 can you even gpl something that small. 00:45:22 and trivial 00:45:31 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:46:31 ehird, I'd assume so. 00:46:39 ehh 00:46:41 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:46:49 it has enough useless fluff code to count, i guess. 00:47:07 i don't think you could GPL either the _parse or _run methods, though. 00:47:27 Tinned_Tuna: hey you're in the uk, cool. 00:47:37 "vague geographical buddies" 00:47:47 haha :-D 00:48:30 ehird, Newcastle? 00:53:00 Tinned_Tuna: nearby. 00:53:05 (well, sort of.) 00:53:14 (enough that the geoip robots claim so) 00:53:50 lol 00:54:04 I'm only at York, so it's not too vague... It could be more vague. 00:54:28 "Universe" 00:56:41 "Multiverse" 00:57:41 "Member of the inverse of the empty set" 00:59:48 "Member of the inverse of every empty set" 01:00:43 Tinned_Tuna: there are multiple? 01:01:03 ehird, no, it just sounded "cool" 01:01:07 :P 01:04:37 bah, I still can't get this stupid interpreter to work on anything more complex than a simple bf program 01:04:55 ehh, repaste it and i'll rewrite it to work or something :P 01:05:11 lol 01:05:18 http://codepad.org/RECmiwI5 01:05:25 well, I'm trying it with the bf program 01:05:30 >+++[>[-]>[-]<<[->+>+<<]>>[-<<+>>]<-]<<[[>[>+>+<<-]>>[<<+>>-]<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]<[-]<<]>[<+>-]<# 01:05:36 which is meant to do? 01:05:37 which should leave 3! in the first cell 01:05:40 i.e. 6 01:05:47 Tinned_Tuna: you're not wrapping. 01:06:00 wrapping? 01:06:07 8-bit brainfuck (the most common) has 0-255 cells that wrap from 256->0 and -1->255, i.e. mod 256 arithmetic 01:06:14 i.e. what fits in an 8-bit value like C's "char" 01:06:25 this also happens to be the range of ASCII, and thus has obvious advantages for . and , 01:06:26 ehird, yea, I thought it best not to so it was easier to work with bigger numbers 01:06:32 Tinned_Tuna: then expect programs to break. 01:06:42 as almost all non-trivial BF programs rely on 8-bit wrapping 01:06:48 I wrote it to work with a bf2py compiler 01:06:54 it relies on it not wrapping :-p 01:07:01 fix that compiler, then :P 01:07:07 but that's almost certainly why it's breaking. 01:07:16 hmm 01:07:26 Tinned_Tuna: btw, your [ is slow 01:07:36 what would be a good, simple, quick nested loop program to test it with, do you reckon? 01:07:44 i strongly recommend building a table of foo[position of '['] = position of ']' and foo[position of ']'] = position of '[' beforehand 01:07:47 ehird, premature optimization is the root of all trees ;-) 01:07:57 Tinned_Tuna: there are two types of optimisation 01:08:05 algorithmic, and the evil kind 01:08:12 lol :-) 01:08:21 the evil kind is a last resort, but not doing trivial, massively-helping algorithmic optimisations is a sin 01:08:58 true. But I would like to see it work before I start digging around in it's innards 01:09:11 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 01:09:18 well, too much 01:09:21 this makes it simpler to make it work. 01:09:31 as the "searching" technique is error prone; this can be done with just a stack 01:09:50 ] pops off the location of the [, assigns it to its own location; then assigns its own location to that grabbed [ location off the stack 01:10:01 so [ is a simple stack push, and ] is a simple stack pop and two dictionary assignments. 01:10:14 ehird, do this in preprocessing_program, yea? 01:10:16 and each command, when running, can just do matching[pos] 01:10:23 Tinned_Tuna: sure, I didn't really read your program too much :P 01:10:27 haha :-D 01:10:30 fair enough 01:11:31 Tinned_Tuna: if you care, python thing: "class Bf_Interpreter():" should (a) be BFInterpreter (python standard), (b) omit the "()", (c) have "(object)" (new-style objects; default in python 3. you should basically always use them) 01:14:16 ehird, I know, PEP8 is *so* long. I am forever forgetting bits of style here there and forever :-( 01:14:37 heh, i've pretty much absorbed pep8 in one or two readings 01:14:54 although i don't really do much pythoneering recently. 01:15:04 after a while it's just so dry I tend to start just skimming along it 01:15:19 you make baby jesus^W^Wguido sad. 01:16:47 baby jesus != guido? 01:16:50 when did this happen? 01:16:56 I thought guido was the baby jesus 01:17:01 * Tinned_Tuna stops, drops, rolls 01:17:07 that's simon peyton-jones. 01:17:32 :-D 01:17:42 (afk) 01:17:51 (guido is mary) 01:51:28 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:54:49 * Sgeo goes to right something incredibly evil/idiotic in C++ 01:56:54 Such as using C++? 01:57:19 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:57:20 How is C++ itself evil or idiotic? 01:58:12 * Sgeo is making a heterogenous list 01:58:33 We've told you why C++ is abominable quite a bit and you never listen, so why waste the effort? 01:59:03 ehird, when? 01:59:32 Every time you've mentioned it? 02:02:02 * Sgeo doesn't remember :( 02:07:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 02:12:42 "Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking" --19.org, claiming to be Islamic 02:12:45 * ehird scratches head 02:16:25 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:21:09 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:21:36 -!- Pthing has joined. 03:38:23 -!- coppro has joined. 03:56:33 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 04:11:27 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 04:31:07 Deewiant: I think I have an idea as to why the discrepancy for the UltraBay battery thing 04:31:15 Disabling the optical drive seems to save some battery life 04:31:19 And obviously with the UltraBay battery that's done 04:31:38 so it might be 1h30m + how much you save from disabling the optical drive 05:08:26 ok, the highest PPI display I know of that isn't the ibm thingy: the 2048x1356 15" for thinkpads 05:08:32 163.75 PPI 05:08:39 *squints* 05:13:50 xkcd :D 05:14:43 where's the joke. 05:15:02 third box 05:15:06 oh wait, it's just "Hur hur obvious thing everyone knows drawn badly" 05:15:13 i am *so* shocked 05:15:24 i expect more from xkcd! not that i get it. 05:15:31 (more, that is. not the joke.) 05:16:13 i hereby declare ehird's sense of humor to have officially drowned in his cynicism. 05:16:38 xkcd used to be a happy and funny aspect of my life, dammit. 05:17:32 http://xkcd.com/640/ was even a glimmer of hope. 05:17:47 sure, the art is inexplicably worse than usual, and that entire fourth panel ruins the entire thing and must be omitted 05:18:03 but it was funny, dammit (before I stopped trying to tie the third panel into the fourth to "get the joke") 05:18:14 it was amusing! 05:18:15 but ohhhhhhhhh no 05:18:21 we're back to the same ol' xkcd. 05:18:23 well as i was opening xkcd today i was all prepared to declare "damn _another_ stupid internet meme, someone tell him he's spending too much time on reddit". but then it _wasn't_. 05:18:39 small victories, eh. 05:19:33 otoh when i think about today's strip further, i think maybe your cynicism has infected him. hm. 05:19:52 IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT ANYHOW 05:21:11 oerjan: i offer, for your comparison: http://xkcd.com/11/ http://xkcd.com/631/ 05:21:24 a 620 comic gap is *not* enough to make that non-WTF 05:21:41 also, not having the punch line in the last panel was consider new and refreshing back in the early '90s... 05:22:25 it'd be less bad if it was just a continuation, and not an entirely irrelevant, confusing diversion that doesn't tie into the preceding frame and thus makes me search for The Real Punchline 05:22:59 but but ... i thought the fourth panel fit in perfectly 05:23:26 admittedly, i may not have tried to analyse it intellectually. i'm not a joke murderer after all. 05:23:30 YOU ARE BLINDED BY YOUR DEVOTION 05:23:31 :P 05:24:38 WHATEV 05:25:49 -!- coppro has joined. 05:26:09 coppro: have you ever considered adopting a new moniker. 05:26:36 ehird: no 05:26:53 i am afraid that my jokes must then continue unabated 05:27:08 new computer :) 05:28:25 coppro: you poor widescreen slave. 05:29:10 ehird: indeed 05:29:24 ehird 05:29:29 coppro 05:29:30 *: good keyboard though 05:29:37 yes, I can tell... 05:29:41 * coppro hates firefox-kde integration 05:29:56 two bad pieces of software don't go great together? 05:29:57 my god. 05:30:11 firefox-gnome is pretty good I hear 05:30:27 hang on 05:30:29 it's... acceptable. epiphany is still nicer for the discerning gnomer 05:30:32 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 05:31:02 -!- coppro has joined. 05:31:21 wb coppro 05:31:46 wtf is up with my font sizes... 05:31:56 must be a dpi issue 05:32:00 (like, size 9 on this computer is == 12 on old one) 05:32:04 coppro: yes, dpi. 05:32:22 coppro: I'd recommend leaving dpi=96 just for alignment crap, prolly 05:32:27 unless it's really unreadable 05:32:49 but everything on the web for instance pretty much assumes 96ppi so you get freakishly small images along regular text... 05:33:29 hmm... what was that firefox theme called? 05:33:31 brb again 05:33:32 -!- coppro has quit (Client Quit). 05:41:40 -!- coppro has joined. 05:41:42 "the T60 and T60p are based off of the intel socket M processors. no matter how much memory you install in these thinkpads, only 3GB will be addressable regardless of operating system used. this is a physical limitation and there is absolutely no workaround." 05:41:44 woe! 05:42:41 okay, so fonts are good in CZ now 05:42:47 but Google page text is tiny :/ 05:42:49 woooooooooooooooooooooe. 05:43:01 coppro: about:config or deal with it. 05:43:10 this is what you get into when you buy a high-ppi screen. 05:43:18 nope, all fonts 05:43:27 coppro, eh? 05:43:29 nope what 05:43:36 here's the weird bit 05:43:40 OS fonts are readable-size 05:43:49 like, window titles and such 05:43:51 coppro: because x11 autodetected your display's ppi. 05:43:57 firefox ignores all that. 05:43:59 because it's shit. 05:44:02 :( 05:44:09 but I have DPI-forcing on! 05:44:18 *epiphany powah* 05:44:28 fuck yeah, integratin' into my environment 'n shit 05:44:37 *official epiphany gangsta sign* 05:46:18 * coppro sets font size to 16 and things look sane 05:46:24 coppro: bad doggy. 05:46:31 sites that do font-size: foopx; will break. 05:46:41 about:config and set yerself some ppi if you want it to work 05:46:52 coppro: I suggest you get used to it, though, unless you really like freakishly-tiny images 05:48:17 * coppro has fiddled with font sizes and is now satisfied 05:48:33 it will work for google, which uses relative font sizes. 05:48:41 not so for the 90% of sites that set font size absolutely. 05:48:54 hmm 05:49:01 eh, whatever 05:49:12 I'll get used to it 05:49:32 more pixels are alas not objectively better in the current situation 05:49:49 coppro: if you want knock the zoom up, so that images and text are sized up 05:49:55 a bit pixelated ofc 05:49:59 yuk 05:50:28 * coppro tries to remember his 6th rss feed on the toolbar 05:57:25 hi 05:57:49 hi 05:58:08 hi 05:58:58 dear xchat-gnome: i really don't need a server lag indicator in that otherwise-empty status bar 06:09:22 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 06:10:43 -!- zzo38 has joined. 06:11:19 Can low-level FPGA programming be done? 06:11:24 Is it possible to do? 06:12:02 Um. 06:12:04 I guess so? 06:12:09 Isn't that all FPGA programming? 06:12:40 No, I mean *really* low-level, like, not Verilog or VHDL, but just programming each gate individually manually by hand. 06:12:57 Just use that subset of Verilog/VHDL. 06:13:04 I'm sure they have such things at the lowest layer. 06:13:08 Anyway, why? 06:13:12 Sounds like a world of pain. 06:14:43 I want to learn how each gates works individually, and then I can write macros in Forth. 06:15:03 And, each macro can be a subroutine to write stuff into memory or into a file, and then loads the FPGA 06:15:15 "Why do people think legalizing drugs is The Answer? I thought The Answer was 42." -- some quote from I don't know what (but it can be found in my game ASCMZXTO.MZX) 06:15:19 Do you want to invent a replacement for electricity too because you didn't write it? :P 06:15:29 ehird: No. 06:15:32 Aww. 06:15:35 That'd be fun. 06:15:40 Magnetic computer. 06:16:00 Yes, that is a interesting idea. Maybe a esolang can be made about magnetic computer. 06:16:08 I (or someone else) can add it to the idea list 06:16:28 Also: Optical computer, air-based computer (think little balls pushed by fans) 06:16:44 Don't think the latter can be TC; the former might be with quantumly stuff. 06:16:53 Those are also interesting idea. 06:16:54 Magnetic computers probably can be TC (assuming infinite space) 06:17:02 zzo38: *ideas btw 06:17:22 Gravity computer has already been done in esolangs. 06:18:12 Gravity's boring. 06:18:13 :P 06:19:45 Anyway, a magnetic computer seems to be the most obvious idea to work out of all of those. 06:20:08 I can't really think of much you could do with crossing lasers, and the air doesn't count; you need electricity for the fans. 06:20:31 Ah. 06:20:37 But a magnetic computer seems simple: you can do chain reactions, and have magnets stay in states stably, plus you can keep them out of equilibrium. 06:20:49 Also, it'd look cool. 06:21:27 Yes, I think it would be interesting to make. 06:23:04 zzo38: it couldn't go perpetually though, could it? 06:23:09 you'd need to set it off every so often 06:23:12 i mean, obviously 06:24:20 Of course, if you make a esolang you could assume it is automatically set it off 06:24:24 yes 06:24:34 i think for the basic shape of the computer it should be mounted on the exterior of a cylinder... 06:24:40 But an interpreter on a standard computer might have both option, one for manual and one for automatic 06:24:40 that way with weights you can make it turn 06:24:47 and interact with stationary things to the side of it 06:24:52 depending on its turn state 06:24:54 ok, more annoyances: the mute button operates in hardware :( 06:25:05 coppro: so? 06:25:09 zzo38: no need for an option 06:25:15 nobody wants to sit there hitting "power" 06:25:39 ehird: so I can't a) unmute by pressing it again (you have to use up/down for that) b) quickly check to see if I'm muted 06:25:53 coppro: use another button 06:26:12 :/ 06:26:43 Alt+F12 or something 06:26:50 or heck, Windows+F12 06:26:53 zero conflicts 06:26:58 too much work 06:27:04 whiner :P 06:27:04 hmm 06:27:11 (pot kettle black!) 06:27:19 heh... found a solutio 06:27:23 Mute, for what? Please tell me what you are muting? 06:27:28 zzo38: his laptop. 06:27:29 zzo38: sound 06:27:51 -!- ehird has set topic: muting solutio for magnetic computers | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 06:28:17 I'll use the Proprietary BloatWare(tm) Launch(r) Key(tm), which is right next to the volume control 06:28:40 coppro: i hear that the thinkvantage stuff isn't too terrible, actually. 06:28:47 but a whole key for it is ridiculous 06:28:53 anyway, just hax the kb :) 06:30:17 * coppro just imagines the support call for that 06:31:08 why would you call the presumably useless chinese support team anyway :P 06:31:37 well, they've been great so far. They've told me that Lenovo's idea of a windows install disk is called a disk reimage 06:32:01 some definition of great. 06:32:11 "hello. yes, our product sucks. thanks!" 06:32:14 exactly 06:32:35 * coppro enjoys the conversation when he tries to return it 06:32:43 (not) 06:32:44 return what, the laptop? 06:32:47 no, Windows 06:32:49 ah. 06:33:08 it will be even tougher because I had to start it to find out they had no useful reinstall disk, in theory accepting the agreement 06:33:08 coppro: I'm pretty sure the get-the-windows-tax-back stuff only works if you sue people like that guy. 06:33:18 I'll have to explain to them how mistake works in contract law 06:33:30 yeah, you don't expect all that to work do you 06:33:40 you *did* agree to purchase a notebook with windows... 06:33:51 no, the license agreement specifically says you can refund it 06:33:59 it's possible, just tricky 06:34:04 yeah, but the two contracts disagree 06:34:13 the implicit one to lenovo and the one with microsoft 06:34:24 the former is the far more visible one, it probably trumps the latter. 06:34:51 : INCL-ONCE IF BEGIN CHAR 0= UNTIL ELSE 1 CONSTANT THEN ; 06:35:11 abbreviation? in my forth words? 06:35:13 tut tut. 06:35:23 I assumed I'd get a useful method of install 06:35:23 also, I'm a minor (whee!) 06:35:39 coppro: what does being a minor have to do with anything? 06:35:44 ehird: Change it if you don't like it! 06:35:46 ehird: contracts can't bind me! 06:36:02 coppro: congratulations, you've never bought anything legally in your life. 06:36:19 every company has given you something out of the goodness of your heart after you gave them money 06:36:21 ehird: they still exist. I just can't be held to them... you can't either 06:36:39 you're still bound by them, you just can't be dinged for not following them. 06:37:00 I believe the legal term is 'voidable at the minor's option' 06:37:08 or somesuch 06:37:13 "why no officer, please do note that I violated the windows EULA" 06:37:22 "i am a broken man" 06:37:26 "no. you're 12" 06:37:27 lol 06:37:27 "broken" 06:37:30 "man" 06:39:54 * coppro writes an email to MS explaining that I void the license agreement. 06:40:20 coppro: your error is in believing the law's text has any relevance to the Law. :P 06:40:37 ehird: Most of it is common law, actually 06:40:44 coppro: also, by voiding it you also void the clause that lets you get a refund... 06:40:53 or is that clause in lenovo's? 06:41:14 ehird: no, it's part of the agreement prior to you agreeing to it 06:41:18 weird, I know 06:41:37 this shit isn't gonna work btw 06:41:40 It doesn't matter, if part of it is voided, you cannot get a refund either in case they didn't allow that in the voiding process of the contract license itself. 06:41:45 well, it probably would if you weren't a minor, but they'll just disregard you as a kiddie. 06:42:31 zzo38: I believe it's actually two separate contracts on the same text 06:42:41 licensing agreements are weird in any case 06:42:54 EULAs have never been ruled to be valid 06:42:58 so this is all just muddier and muddier. 06:43:00 coppro: O. Really? But, they are bound together though, isn't it? 06:43:06 (and they have been ruled to be invalid in some places) 06:43:48 -!- augur has joined. 06:43:55 EULAs may not be valid, but the refund still wouldn't be allowed if the rest of the contract that allowed you to get the refund has been violated, anyways. But, if the refund is a store refund instead, the refund might still be allowed. 06:43:59 But, I'm not quite sure. 06:44:13 It probably doesn't have a lot to do with the EULA, however. 06:44:33 at the end of this he's going to get like $50 for >$50 worth in time 06:44:37 and probably phone bills 06:44:38 yawn 06:44:47 Can anyone here do ANSI screen art? 06:45:58 hmm the sata in the t60(p) is 1.5 Gbit. 06:46:06 good thing I don't care about throughput 06:46:17 -!- zzo38 has left (?). 06:46:51 the latest bios hacking work seems to get like a bit over 3.5GiB memory out of it... 06:46:57 which is acceptable i guess 06:47:12 *1.5Gb 06:48:23 Mb = 1 000 000 bits. Mib = 1 024 000 bits. MB = 1 000 000 bytes. MiB = 1 024 000 bytes. 06:48:31 Fuck yeah, case-differing units. 06:49:48 1024000 is a very strange choice; are you sure you don't want 1048576 instead? 06:50:07 Er, oops 06:50:12 *Er, oops. 06:50:29 Mb = 1 000 000 bits. Mib = 1 048 576 bits. MB = 1 000 000 bytes. MiB = 1 048 576 bytes. 06:51:26 So, my internet connection is 8Mb/s, and I get about 800KiB/s in practice. 06:51:32 (Still on the fence about KiB vs kiB.) 06:54:52 Sigh, I'm getting tired of "lol linux is unusable" crap. 06:57:55 Spam subject: "Magic berry that will make you look like a princess." Er. 06:58:07 I'm not sure I want to be the prettiest princess around. 06:59:16 HEY GUYS HOWS IT GOIN 06:59:22 princessly. 06:59:40 ehird, ofcourse 06:59:48 you're pretty princessish in general 07:00:33 no, fizzie is. 07:00:41 fizzie is the fizziest. fizzlest. 07:00:48 fizzcess. 07:01:36 That's a bit fizzcessive, yes. 07:01:46 fizzcest. 07:07:10 today's xkcd: at least an original expression of an only-slightly-interesting thing everyone knows/ 07:07:11 *? 07:07:12 nope! 07:07:13 http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=974#comic 07:12:49 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 07:17:46 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Crops_Kansas_AST_20010624.jpg?crop ;; this looks so unreal. backgrounded! 07:20:36 so does your face 07:20:50 horribly inefficient technology anyways 07:21:29 bsmntbombdood_: what, my face? 07:22:05 center-pivot irrigation 07:22:28 that's what she irrigated. using a center pivot. 07:22:33 anyway, it's pretty. 07:22:46 especially the tilting 07:24:29 "Haha, your face, it's so inefficient!" has to be one of the strangest insults. 07:24:41 i know right 07:26:03 The problem with tiling window managers is I never really get to see my background image. 07:26:23 funny. that's the problem i have with spawning windows like there's no tomorrow. 07:26:29 why close when you can cover/ 07:26:32 *why close when you can cover? 07:26:41 only uses 78% of available land 07:27:00 your face uses 78% of available land too, but I don't see anybody calling that too little. 07:27:17 anyway, shut up, it makes pretty patterns. 07:33:51 waitamo 07:34:41 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:34:46 it seems that arranging the circle hexagonally doesn't do any better than the square way 07:34:47 odd 07:35:25 fractal crops. 07:35:28 infinite circles 07:35:53