00:10:31 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:14:47 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:21:28 My classmates are idiots 00:21:50 They were talking about another class, where a box with lights was hooked up to the computer, and they had to control it via C++ 00:22:00 One of them said that the box must understand C++ 00:22:17 They eventually decided that the box understands assembly (thinking assembly was machine code) 00:26:04 -!- adam_d_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 00:45:47 -!- puzzlet has joined. 01:02:56 -!- augur has joined. 01:04:11 i don't like the chinese box either 01:06:29 Sgeo: this is where you have fun 01:06:39 print out the assembly and stick the box on it 01:06:46 -!- augur has quit (Client Quit). 01:07:09 coppro, I'm not in that class with them 01:07:12 oh 01:07:17 what a shame 01:11:31 -!- augur has joined. 01:14:47 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 01:17:58 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:45:16 -!- Asztal has joined. 02:25:47 -!- ehird has joined. 02:26:15 uo 02:26:17 *yo 02:26:34 yo 02:26:43 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 02:27:20 -!- jix has joined. 02:28:06 arora aaaaalmost works, and it aaaaalmost works a bit less if you don't want to use tabs :( 02:33:26 freefall :) 02:34:31 freefall :( 02:34:32 i do not like falling 02:34:42 it's a comic 02:34:49 oerjan, I ended up putting the punchline as my Facebook status 02:35:01 heh 02:37:46 for some reason, Arora was briefly installed on my computer; wonder why it got taken off 02:37:54 * Sgeo misread that as Agora 02:38:57 Arora is good except the toolbar grpahics are a bit cheesy, link underlines (especially on google sites for some reason) sometimes don't appear unless you click them or select them as text, 02:39:08 and you can't define middle-click as open in new windo 02:39:09 w 02:39:11 *window 02:39:14 that's all i can think of atm 02:39:29 tabs >> windows 02:39:47 coppro: yeah, I use tabs 02:39:51 my WM does that. 02:39:57 ah, neat 02:40:01 you know, it's managing windows :P 02:40:12 does it have Ctrl+Tab? 02:40:32 you can rebind the keys, but yes; it's one button more, though 02:42:02 * Sgeo goes through convolutions to avoid spoiling the joke in the title 02:42:52 er, what? now you HAVE to tell us. 02:42:57 it's also the only tiling WM with decent mouse support imo, which is useful when web browsing 02:43:05 to avoid context switching from the mouse 02:43:24 oerjan, um, you read it, apparently 02:43:32 * Sgeo posted it on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9kyqr/hit_me_with_a_pie_here_you_go/ 02:43:36 Sucky title, I know 02:43:52 Duh, how come you didn't know he meant reddit title, oerjan 02:43:54 Aren't you psychic 02:43:56 Like everyone else 02:44:00 ah. 02:44:15 yes, but a very slow psychic 02:44:30 i'll get it one of these days, i'm sure 02:47:01 coppro: the WM is ion3plus, which I have qualms about using due to its author and utterly ridiculous license clauses (though he recently removed the timeout-for-new-versions thing), but on the other hand no other tiling WM I've tried is even close to as usable 02:48:01 oh, an arora problem I forgot: it blocks popups silently, so you can't choose to let one through if you want it 02:48:59 really? :( 02:49:45 really to what? 02:50:43 silent popup blocking 02:51:03 yeah, it's annoying, but really I don't mind too much 02:51:14 I don't really click "detach this window" type stuff 02:51:21 besides, it won't block things like javascript:window.open, prolly 02:51:23 just tricksier stuff 02:56:40 one thing ion handles very well is auxillary wnidows to the current one 02:56:47 it basically overlays it along the bottom of the window 03:00:23 The reasons why I don't use Arora: It sends referrer unconditionally and doesn't let to configure TLS (and doesn't have Links2-like "who cares" attitude to TLS). 03:00:38 OH NOES!!1125612 REFERER! 03:00:45 :P 03:00:51 TLS? 03:00:53 But, err, what's the TLS problem? 03:00:56 coppro: SSL thing. 03:03:54 Can't be configured to require PFS. Even Firefox can be configured that way. Links2 can't be configured so either, but it doesn't matter as Links2 seems to think that proper place for certificates is /dev/null. 03:05:32 My only problem with Arora is... well, the ones I said. 03:05:57 PFS? 03:06:05 Perfect Forward Security. 03:07:00 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 03:07:07 Meaning, key exchange algorithm is DHE, ECDHE or SRP (not that any web browser supports that). 03:23:47 I wonder if qt has some sort of generic tool to rebind things like mouse clicks. 03:25:29 Isn't there some OS project that uses Qt, so that the OS itself is in C, and applications are in C++, to prevent the OS from doing GUI stuff directly, or something like that? 03:25:52 Whatever it is, it sounds brain damaged. 03:26:54 It might be the way I'm describing it 03:27:48 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:30:52 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:39:53 Mmm, wasabi peas... 03:40:31 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 04:06:33 -!- augur has joined. 04:09:55 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:32:21 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 04:32:37 I have wasabi peas in my possession 04:32:49 I just can't get in the mood for eating them :/ 04:43:29 Rub them in your eyes first. 04:43:41 That will get you in the mood to eat them. 04:43:51 Just trust me on this one. 04:49:06 -!- ehird has joined. 04:49:09 mega meh 04:49:52 like the biggest meh ever dreamed of 04:49:53 amplified 04:49:55 and tenzinified 04:49:58 ya ken? 04:52:31 i know you were talking recently, i checked the logs 04:52:34 you cannot fool me 04:53:28 I'm busy murdering my wrists. 04:53:44 Gregor: that's a very pretentious way to reveal to us that you cut yourself. 04:54:13 Gregor: In your *eyes*? Ouch. 04:54:42 Yes, Gregor is murdering his wrists in his eyes :P 04:55:08 Gregor: You know, you've lost your R-zest. 04:55:33 I can murder my wrists well enough with two keyboards and no knives. 04:55:44 In your eyes. 04:56:20 -!- Gregor has changed nick to GregoR. 04:56:20 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:56:24 ehird: Howzat? 04:56:31 Sure thing, Grego Richards. 04:56:35 Your name sounds... Italian. 04:56:52 -!- GregoR has changed nick to Gregor. 04:57:06 Hello, Gregor $*&~Segmentation fault 05:04:20 ff35fg4g4g54g41fg445455445545 05:05:40 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:07:12 hmm meh doesn't fit really 05:07:13 let's say: 05:07:14 bleh 05:07:19 these things are Important 05:09:43 ehird, I made this null terminated string just for y6oD2^xk%hV@[^yZ7Ju+ Completione une stagnation avoile todelo... 05:16:08 Deplorus vici vindica vortas. 05:21:55 I'm a seal. 05:22:15 Note: All three of the above lines mean the same thing. 06:01:57 apparently colinux is way faster than cygwin 06:01:59 unsurprising 06:02:25 and if you use xming you could make it like cygwin/x... 06:24:03 if only you could go the other way around 06:24:18 what, cowindows? 06:24:30 yeah 06:24:41 seamless virtualbox or sth. 06:24:51 not the same 06:24:55 sure it is. 06:25:04 you can mount your host on / 06:25:10 er, on c: 06:25:16 and windows on w:, say 06:25:31 no, because it requires virtualization 06:25:42 so what, the cpu code is running on your cpu directly 06:25:42 (then again, my new computer has real virtualization support. Yay!) 06:25:46 just the hardware is virtualised 06:26:01 sure, it's slower as far as non-number-crunching, but what are you trying to do, play a 3d game? 06:26:06 ehird: processor without virtualization support = boo 06:26:06 it's fast enough 06:26:11 coppro: well ditch it :P 06:26:15 ehird: I am! 06:26:20 well then 06:28:28 on the new computer, I will certainly be using a properly virtualized OS 06:28:45 why even bother? 06:29:07 because it's better than dual boot? 06:29:08 also, sth? 06:29:23 what programs do you need to run? it's not like games work very well 06:30:59 nah, no games for the most part 06:31:18 though if I ever figure out how to do it, getting windows to boot from both within and without the virtual machine would be +++ 06:31:39 also, wtf on the VirtualBox license: (3) The Product is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility and Sun and its licensors disclaim any express or implied warranty of fitness for such uses. 06:31:40 then what programs do you use...? 06:31:47 ehird: lots of stupid .NET stuff 06:31:52 like 06:31:55 that uses WPF and thus can't use Mono 06:31:59 trust me, I've tried 06:32:01 like... 06:32:07 I don't feel the need to tell you *shrug* 06:32:18 it just seems needless 90% of the time. 06:32:23 it's not 06:32:31 I certainly wish it was 06:33:04 well true, AutomaticFurryScatPornSearcherAndDownloader v2 WPF Edition is probably pretty vital, I understand 06:33:38 very 06:34:35 -!- Patashu has joined. 06:35:56 ehird: do you have any experience getting Windows to work from both within and without a VM 06:36:15 you mean... just getting windows to work? 06:36:37 I mean dealing with having Windows thinking it has two hardware profiles to deal with 06:36:47 oh 06:36:51 Windows has an irritating idea that it should only work on a single machine 06:37:05 yeah, umm, that's not an unreasonable assumption 06:37:07 anyway 06:37:11 install in vm use disk 06:37:11 or 06:37:14 install on disk use vm 06:37:16 whichever works. 06:37:19 neither do 06:37:28 when you use whichever it wasn't installed on, you get hardware errors 06:37:34 because it didn't install the drivers 06:37:36 give u[ 06:37:38 *up 06:37:44 coppro: install the drivers for the other hw in the vm 06:37:45 and if you install them, it erases the other ones 06:37:46 or vise versa 06:37:54 coppro: copy them away including registry before installing 06:37:58 then copy back, check they still work 06:38:08 (note: this is all XP experience and I will be using Vista *shudder*, then 7) 06:38:19 pirate 7 immediately, btw 06:38:21 or use xp 06:38:32 not worth fucking with vista 06:38:48 7 comes out in a month? 06:39:02 so what? the final is out on bittorrent 06:39:06 windows 7 ultimate 06:39:08 yes, I know, just wondering 06:39:32 unlike lots of people, I have this thing against randomly torrenting stuff 06:40:12 oh right, i haven't bended your brain into anti-monopolist, pro-competition shape yet and removed your Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe :-P 06:40:29 * ehird gets a wrench 06:40:35 *bent, not bended 06:40:40 huh what? 06:40:48 Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe? 06:41:14 it's the lobe that makes you think if the state claims it's selling off parts of the moon, it is a universal truth that those parts of the moon are owned by whoever buys them 06:41:39 it gets invoked for s/the moon/platonic information space/, but that's a bug 06:41:47 although i suspect it's a backdoor, wake up sheeple. 06:42:13 shake up weeple 06:42:37 oh, I don't have that lobe 06:42:45 I also don't believe that torrenting is always bad 06:42:51 au contraire, you respect copyright 06:42:57 never said I did 06:43:05 considering you defended it... 06:43:09 I said that I recognize the necessity of the principle 06:43:19 if that isn't defending copyright I don't know what is 06:43:32 defending copyright and obeying it as it's written are different things 06:44:04 the only way to achieve the "principle" is indeed the state having a monopoly on giving away monopolies on parts of the platonic realm of information, that it cannot touch in any way 06:44:30 it's too late to start this discussion again 06:44:37 that's what she said. 06:44:40 important this is, I won't torrent stuff just because it's convenient 06:45:26 there are other reasons I'll torrent, but that's not of them 06:45:46 I torrent stuff because it's more convenient than any other way of getting it, but that's only because I think copyright is illegitimate crazy talk and I wouldn't consider who owns the moon when planning an expedition there either 06:46:08 I'm not aiming to be illegal, Microsoft are perfectly welcome to send me a free copy if they want 06:46:27 My view of torrenting in general is this: 06:46:56 - someone has put hard work and effort into the product I'm considering torrenting and deserves some form of compensation for it, usually (there are exceptions to this point) 06:47:33 I'm aware of all your oh-but-it's-so-fair arguments for copyright, and if pretending the moon was owned by the USA brought happiness and unicorns to everyone's day-to-day life I still wouldn't. 06:48:08 - If I believe the good is worth the price asked, there is a reason to go buy the damn thing (note: this is not necessarily mutually exclusive with torrenting) 06:48:16 Besides, feeding money into Microsoft's horrible business practices strikes me as a far worse evil than pirating Windows. 06:48:34 - If there is a political reason for it, it could sway me either way stronger than anything else 06:48:51 for instance, I refuse to pay any money to the recording industry. At all. 06:49:08 Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Microsoft is no better than the recording industry. 06:49:12 small-time companies, sure. But I am /not/ paying for product coming out of an RIAA member 06:49:15 Which is damn obvious. 06:50:15 Microsoft, I'm unsure of yet. There's internal conflict 06:50:34 And if the rumors about 7 are true, encouraging good product is a Good Thing 06:50:45 Yeah, and that RIAA album might be damn good too. 06:51:10 Everyone who worked on it did a great job. Yet you still won't pay for it, because the RIAA is evil - and therefore paying Microsoft for Windows 7 is inconsistent. 06:51:54 Microsoft, as I said, has lots of internal conflict 06:52:29 As an autonomous business it is sociopathic, destructive and evil: it should be in prison for life. Heck, in the current US legal system probably even sentenced to death. 06:52:47 But corporations get a wild card, despite being considered legal persons. 06:53:05 oh, based on history, sure 06:53:29 Microsoft may not have the opportunity to reoffend right now, but that's just because of the world around it. 06:53:30 (and I totally agree about corporations. The courts have the power to dissassemble corporations and should do it more willingly) 06:53:40 ehird: nah, they're offending right now. 06:53:49 coppro: Yes, but they're not on a murderous rampage. 06:53:53 but they're like a drug addict trying to reform themselves 06:54:01 Anyway, I would consider paying such a person to buy a painting they made abhorrent. 06:54:26 coppro: maybe they're trying to stop smoking pot, but they're still doing heroin in private... 06:54:50 Microsoft are just a really bad company. 06:55:14 ehird: the fact is, right now, I'm willing to give Microsoft money for a good product. 06:55:39 what /you/ think is completely irrelevant 06:55:43 Have fun supporting the sociopathic, drug-using serial killer. 06:55:54 I'm not exactly going to stop you... 06:56:00 well, you can't 06:56:06 Exactly. 06:56:14 I hope that painting is really damn good. 06:56:15 but I've spent long enough talking to you to know that you would if you could 06:56:26 You are severely misguided. 06:56:32 I'm no fascist. 06:57:12 I don't think it would count as fascism 06:57:33 You can give your money to whoever you want. 07:01:31 the biggest thing about Microsoft now is they're threatened, I think they see that, and they're trying to deal with it. They're falling. And it's in my interests to cushion them (not going to say anything more on the subject; good night!) 07:01:32 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:01:48 * ehird splurts 07:01:51 Microsoft. Threatened. 07:02:17 yes 07:02:30 they're pulling an IBM 07:02:31 Man that kool-aid must be good. Just, uh, so you know, if it's from a guy named Jim Jones I would, like, not drink it. 07:03:07 So let's see... Microsoft, the threatened and falling company with a bad past and tons of internal conflict. 07:03:14 Gee, I feel so warm and fuzzy now. 07:03:23 internal conflict is a good thing 07:03:33 Poor Microsoft ;_; 07:03:33 anyway, I really need to get to bed 07:03:49 ehird: odd as it sounds, I really do /not/ want to see them fail 07:04:10 Yeah, those paintings are just way too good. 07:04:24 hardly 07:04:25 But seriously, if you truly think Microsoft is threatened... 07:04:35 well, you're certainly not reading anything unbiased 07:04:46 Or falling too. 07:05:24 Microsoft's doing what IBM did... I'll explain later. G'night for real this time. 07:05:40 tee hee 07:05:42 you're crazy 07:11:34 -!- fizzie has joined. 07:11:46 hi fizzie 07:11:50 we're weeping for microsoft 07:16:30 Oh? Are they in need of sympathy? 07:16:39 yes, just ask coppro 07:16:51 it's threatened, falling and it has huge internal conflict 07:16:53 ;_; 07:17:03 in conclusion, buy windows 07:18:00 I... see. 07:18:25 i had no idea it was so poor until coppro told it all :'( 07:20:23 Yes, I kind of thought they weren't doing so bad these days. Admittedly I haven't really been paying attention. 07:20:40 that's the thing about these facts 07:20:45 they're unrelated to actual evidence 07:20:50 which is why they're so upsetting! 07:30:03 holy shit i cantr move my leg down 07:30:16 aaaaaaa 07:30:39 ah 07:30:41 there we go 07:30:44 crisis averted 07:37:09 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:03:15 ehird 08:03:18 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 08:03:19 whatd you do to yourself 08:03:35 i was sitting with my legs up, and tried to put it down and it didn't work :| 08:04:31 ah 08:04:32 well 08:10:15 well? 08:17:27 Heh, this graduate-school-funding-place application form has a length limit of 7500 characters (incl. whitespace, references) for the research plan; my plan is 7496 characters. (And it was originally about 13000 when written to another place with just "4-5 pages" length limit; was sorely tempted to use those txt msg abrvs 2 shrtn it.) 08:26:55 -!- augur_ has joined. 08:26:55 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:27:33 -!- adam_d has joined. 09:29:36 -!- oklofog has joined. 09:33:23 -!- oklofog has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:35:42 -!- oklofog has joined. 09:38:37 -!- augur has joined. 09:38:37 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:47:50 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 09:54:10 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:02:07 -!- augur_ has joined. 10:02:16 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:02:18 -!- oklofog has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:04:57 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 10:05:15 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 10:12:30 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:30:39 -!- oklofog has joined. 10:31:55 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:31:58 -!- augur has joined. 10:37:08 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:37:52 -!- augur_ has joined. 10:37:52 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:44:24 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:44:30 lecturer mentioned ais 10:44:49 (in private conversation, not by name, but anyway, small world) 10:54:03 also what's the opposite of nodding, i don't know it in any language 10:54:47 anyway it's weird to explain something to a dude who keeps antinodding, especially when you don't realize he means "yes" by it 10:55:51 felt like he asked for help, then silently judged me while i explained 10:56:03 which i suppose he could've done because it was homework, but anyway 10:56:23 foreigners are so weird, they ask for help 10:58:07 actually a few finns have done it too, although they rarely directly ask me to show my answers 10:58:17 so what's the weather like 11:04:58 -!- oklofog has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 11:08:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:09:18 -!- Patashu has left (?). 11:14:09 ais523: ears burning? 11:14:16 why would they be? 11:14:32 it sounds like you're quoting me out of context 11:14:35 doesn't that happen when you're mentioned 11:14:37 just I don't remember saying that 11:14:51 oh no, my IRC ping is entirely visual 11:14:58 flashing icons, flashing taskbar entries 11:15:05 oh, were your eyes burning then 11:15:13 no, I'm used to being pinged 11:15:18 mostly by annoying bots on other networks 11:15:28 your eyes will burn only if you aren't on the channel 11:15:45 yes, but usually I'm not 11:15:54 imagine a channel which is usually idle except a bot pings you every now and then 11:15:56 it's liek that 11:15:58 *like that 11:16:12 X burns, where X is your method of perception, if the medium you usually follow using X mentions you when you aren't currently on it 11:16:31 a red icon and slowly pulsing taskbar isn't particularly burning 11:17:00 okay nevermind, i just wanted to tell you i mentioned you 11:17:27 ok, so you pinged me just to tell me that you'd pinged me? 11:17:35 that's the sort of logic that only #esoteric would come up with 11:18:26 i'm not sure i agree, i'm just saying "read logs, so i don't have to repeat myself" 11:18:48 oh, I didn't realise the request to read logs 11:18:51 I hardly ever do nowadays 11:18:53 i mean, as a suggestion, it's not *that* interesting. 11:18:53 where should I look? 11:18:58 a few lines up 11:19:06 that's why i asked about the burning 11:19:16 nothing happened between me joining and your ping, apart from Patashu leaving 11:19:40 found it 11:19:49 by my definition your ears will not burn if you're on the channel when you're pinged. 11:19:57 well eyes, whatever 11:20:19 it's weird being just enough of a celebrity that people occasionally recognise you in the street, and you have no idea who they are 11:21:14 i wouldn't like that 11:21:31 well, i suppose i'd like it more than actually knowing more people :P 11:21:37 heh 11:22:25 the problem with uninteresting people is i'm great at pretending like i'm enjoying the conversation, and i'm a pleaser. 11:23:22 or s/pleaser/wuss/ 11:24:02 I normally try to get involved in the conversation 11:24:21 hmm... if you dislike a conversation, you can get rid of it by steering the subject to something the other person doesn't understand 11:25:17 with my definition of interesting people, that works perfectly. 11:26:25 interesting people = people who might actually try to understand this channel? 11:27:54 well i'm interested in many things, any of those 11:28:19 well, some people are interested just for their personality, naturally, otherwise finding a gf might be kinda hard 11:28:23 *interesting 11:29:11 (i promise i'll stop being sexist when i see the first female mathematician that doesn't suck) 11:32:32 the esolang prof didn't know sk calculus 11:34:12 Our crypto-mathematician, who happens to be female -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisa_Nyberg -- didn't *seem* sucky, but I wouldn't really know, based on just the lectures of a single crypto-intro-course. 11:36:56 i'm fairly sure some of the students don't suck either, but i only know the ones that complain loudly about the hardness of the courses 11:36:58 :P 11:37:08 which guys do just as much 11:37:10 I probably have already mentioned this, but I think she used to publish the course exam questions in advance, AES-encrypted. 11:37:27 yep 11:37:32 in the hope that people would try to brute-force the encryption? 11:38:36 In the "hope" that someone intelligently breaks AES, I guess; it's not a very great hope, but it sure is more likely than plain brute-forcing a 256-bit symmetric key. 11:38:58 well, she has to store the key somewhere 11:39:03 maybe it's to encourage people to hack into her computer:? 11:39:05 *? 11:39:21 Yes, the same place where the unencrypted questions are stored, most likely. 11:44:43 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:29:26 -!- oklopol has joined. 12:36:22 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:59:26 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 13:13:17 -!- ttm_ has joined. 13:27:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:28:14 -!- oklopol has joined. 13:31:20 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:32:05 Rub them in your eyes first. <-- i take it your eyes work about similarly weirdly as your nose... 13:37:23 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)). 13:50:46 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:51:01 -!- augur has joined. 14:01:58 -!- Pthing has joined. 14:02:32 -!- oklopol has joined. 14:04:14 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 14:04:30 -!- oklopol has joined. 14:11:02 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:11:30 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 14:12:02 -!- oklopol has joined. 14:21:30 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)). 14:28:09 -!- oklopol has joined. 14:29:18 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 16:01:59 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:34:39 -!- Asztal has joined. 16:41:36 -!- kar8nga has joined. 17:12:23 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 18:20:39 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 18:43:46 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing"). 18:45:05 -!- adam_d has joined. 18:56:22 -!- augur has joined. 19:17:45 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 19:28:18 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 19:30:26 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:48:49 -!- MizardX- has joined. 19:50:31 -!- MizardX has quit (Nick collision from services.). 19:50:36 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 20:13:45 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:42:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:42:46 I have some idea for esolangs based on mahjong game. 20:42:57 I might write it more later, on the wiki 20:44:15 Like, you could have one "Mahjong operator" act on two inputs and one output. If the input is [3man,3man] then the output is [3man] and if the input is [5sou,4sou] then the output can be [3sou] or [6sou] 20:49:19 -!- MigoMipo has left (?). 20:51:24 So I would have to make it multiple outputs sometimes, too 20:51:46 And possibly more than two inputs, also. 20:54:42 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:57:40 -!- augur has joined. 20:58:36 guys, would it be correct to say that continuations make parallelism easier? 21:02:11 they'd certainly make implementing it easier 21:02:17 on a non-parallel system 21:02:41 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:05:20 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:08:44 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:13:01 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:33:43 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:36:57 zzo38: In latter case, is the output deterministic, (pseudo)random or nondeterministic? 21:44:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:53:46 Ilari: I'm not sure. I think it could be made deterministic 21:54:11 Like, with multiple program thread and can communicate afterward together too 21:55:12 zzo38: Mahjongg operator is affected by all threads and forms "covert channel" between threads? 21:57:45 That could be a possibility. 21:58:18 Also, the input could be a list instead of just 2 entries. And the output could also just be a list, without multithreading or anything. 21:59:02 For example: [4sou,5sou] -> [3sou,6sou]; [1man,1man] -> [1man]; [4pin,5pin,6pin,7pin] -> [4pin,7pin]; 21:59:50 Because, if you have 4567 then you have a incomplete sequence and a pair, and you have to complete the pair with a 4 or 7, where the 567 or 456 would then be a sequence. 22:00:21 And when you have honors, there is no sequence, of course. 22:00:57 Example: [haku,haku,chun,chun] -> [haku,chun] 22:08:48 You can make everything a list. So, applying the mahjong operator twice to [2sou,2sou,3sou,3sou] would result in [1sou,4sou] 22:19:48 And in non-turing-complete front: BLOOP augmented with Conway arrow operator. 22:23:37 Would be capable of expressing g_n. g_1 is already unimaginable. g_64 is Graham's number... 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On UNIX systems you would not prefix with "im" 23:42:57 oh maybe "convert" is an existing command on windows *shrug* 23:45:18 I think they could add built-in audio support with red channell for the left channel, and green for the right channel. ImageMagick has FFT (although an external library has to be added to use it), and other stuff, so it should work. 23:45:54 The other feature I wanted in ImageMagick is a utility to put formatted text onto a image, including with masking and symbol-fonts, like Magic Set Editor does. 23:47:38 zzo38: I work on MSE :) 23:48:16 coppro: Yes, I think I read the name "coppro" somewhere in the MSE, but I wouldn't quite remember exactly 23:48:22 I'm the Linux de 23:48:24 *dev 23:48:40