< 1253059831 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253060087 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1253060488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My classmates are idiots
< 1253060510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were talking about another class, where a box with lights was hooked up to the computer, and they had to control it via C++
< 1253060520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them said that the box must understand C++
< 1253060537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They eventually decided that the box understands assembly (thinking assembly was machine code)
< 1253060764 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1253061947 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253062976 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253063051 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the chinese box either
< 1253063189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is where you have fun
< 1253063199 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print out the assembly and stick the box on it
< 1253063206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1253063229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I'm not in that class with them
< 1253063232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1253063237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shame
< 1253063491 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253063687 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253063878 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1253065516 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-105-151.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253067947 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.96.44 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253067975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uo
< 1253067977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yo
< 1253067994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1253068003 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1253068040 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-081-085.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253068086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arora aaaaalmost works, and it aaaaalmost works a bit less if you don't want to use tabs :(
< 1253068406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall :)
< 1253068471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall :(
< 1253068472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not like falling
< 1253068482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a comic
< 1253068489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I ended up putting the punchline as my Facebook status
< 1253068501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1253068666 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, Arora was briefly installed on my computer; wonder why it got taken off
< 1253068674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misread that as Agora
< 1253068737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arora is good except the toolbar grpahics are a bit cheesy, link underlines (especially on google sites for some reason) sometimes don't appear unless you click them or select them as text,
< 1253068748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't define middle-click as open in new windo
< 1253068749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1253068751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*window
< 1253068754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can think of atm
< 1253068769 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs >> windows
< 1253068787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah, I use tabs
< 1253068791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my WM does that.
< 1253068797 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, neat
< 1253068801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, it's managing windows :P
< 1253068812 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have Ctrl+Tab?
< 1253068832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rebind the keys, but yes; it's one button more, though
< 1253068922 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes through convolutions to avoid spoiling the joke in the title
< 1253068972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? now you HAVE to tell us.
< 1253068977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the only tiling WM with decent mouse support imo, which is useful when web browsing
< 1253068985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid context switching from the mouse
< 1253069004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um, you read it, apparently
< 1253069012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posted it on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9kyqr/hit_me_with_a_pie_here_you_go/
< 1253069016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucky title, I know
< 1253069032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh, how come you didn't know he meant reddit title, oerjan
< 1253069034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you psychic
< 1253069036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like everyone else
< 1253069040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1253069055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but a very slow psychic
< 1253069070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get it one of these days, i'm sure
< 1253069221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the WM is ion3plus, which I have qualms about using due to its author and utterly ridiculous license clauses (though he recently removed the timeout-for-new-versions thing), but on the other hand no other tiling WM I've tried is even close to as usable
< 1253069281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, an arora problem I forgot: it blocks popups silently, so you can't choose to let one through if you want it
< 1253069339 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? :(
< 1253069385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really to what?
< 1253069443 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silent popup blocking
< 1253069463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's annoying, but really I don't mind too much
< 1253069474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really click "detach this window" type stuff
< 1253069481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it won't block things like javascript:window.open, prolly
< 1253069483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tricksier stuff
< 1253069800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing ion handles very well is auxillary wnidows to the current one
< 1253069807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically overlays it along the bottom of the window
< 1253070023 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reasons why I don't use Arora: It sends referrer unconditionally and doesn't let to configure TLS (and doesn't have Links2-like "who cares" attitude to TLS).
< 1253070038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES!!1125612 REFERER!
< 1253070045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1253070051 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLS?
< 1253070053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, err, what's the TLS problem?
< 1253070056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: SSL thing.
< 1253070234 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be configured to require PFS. Even Firefox can be configured that way. Links2 can't be configured so either, but it doesn't matter as Links2 seems to think that proper place for certificates is /dev/null.
< 1253070332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only problem with Arora is... well, the ones I said.
< 1253070357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFS?
< 1253070365 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect Forward Security.
< 1253070420 0 :lifthrasiir!i=1CBOWieh@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253070427 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning, key exchange algorithm is DHE, ECDHE or SRP (not that any web browser supports that).
< 1253071427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if qt has some sort of generic tool to rebind things like mouse clicks.
< 1253071529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some OS project that uses Qt, so that the OS itself is in C, and applications are in C++, to prevent the OS from doing GUI stuff directly, or something like that?
< 1253071552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever it is, it sounds brain damaged.
< 1253071614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be the way I'm describing it
< 1253071668 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1253071852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1253072393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, wasabi peas...
< 1253072431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1253073993 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253074195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1253075541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1253075557 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have wasabi peas in my possession
< 1253075569 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't get in the mood for eating them :/
< 1253076209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rub them in your eyes first.
< 1253076221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will get you in the mood to eat them.
< 1253076231 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trust me on this one.
< 1253076546 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.96.44 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253076549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mega meh
< 1253076592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the biggest meh ever dreamed of
< 1253076593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amplified
< 1253076595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tenzinified
< 1253076598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya ken?
< 1253076751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you were talking recently, i checked the logs
< 1253076754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot fool me
< 1253076808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy murdering my wrists.
< 1253076824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a very pretentious way to reveal to us that you cut yourself.
< 1253076853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In your *eyes*? Ouch.
< 1253076882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Gregor is murdering his wrists in his eyes :P
< 1253076908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know, you've lost your R-zest.
< 1253076933 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can murder my wrists well enough with two keyboards and no knives.
< 1253076944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your eyes.
< 1253076980 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregoR
< 1253076980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1253076984 0 :GregoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Howzat?
< 1253076991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure thing, Grego Richards.
< 1253076995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name sounds... Italian.
< 1253077012 0 :GregoR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor
< 1253077026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Gregor $*&~Segmentation fault
< 1253077460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff35fg4g4g54g41fg445455445545
< 1253077540 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1253077632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm meh doesn't fit really
< 1253077633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say:
< 1253077634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1253077639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things are Important
< 1253077783 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I made this null terminated string just for y6oD2^xk%hV@[^yZ7Ju+<Ned\Q+s)Q92a&j[OT)3"R%
< 1253077961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completione une stagnation avoile todelo...
< 1253078168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deplorus vici vindica vortas.
< 1253078515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a seal.
< 1253078535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: All three of the above lines mean the same thing.
< 1253080917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently colinux is way faster than cygwin
< 1253080919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprising
< 1253080945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you use xming you could make it like cygwin/x...
< 1253082243 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you could go the other way around
< 1253082258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, cowindows?
< 1253082270 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1253082281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seamless virtualbox or sth.
< 1253082291 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same
< 1253082295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is.
< 1253082304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mount your host on /
< 1253082310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, on c:
< 1253082316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows on w:, say
< 1253082331 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because it requires virtualization
< 1253082342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, the cpu code is running on your cpu directly
< 1253082342 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then again, my new computer has real virtualization support. Yay!)
< 1253082346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the hardware is virtualised
< 1253082361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's slower as far as non-number-crunching, but what are you trying to do, play a 3d game?
< 1253082366 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: processor without virtualization support = boo
< 1253082366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fast enough
< 1253082371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well ditch it :P
< 1253082375 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I am!
< 1253082380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1253082508 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the new computer, I will certainly be using a properly virtualized OS
< 1253082525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even bother?
< 1253082547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's better than dual boot?
< 1253082548 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sth?
< 1253082563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programs do you need to run? it's not like games work very well
< 1253082659 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, no games for the most part
< 1253082678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I ever figure out how to do it, getting windows to boot from both within and without the virtual machine would be +++
< 1253082699 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wtf on the VirtualBox license: (3) The Product is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility and Sun and its licensors disclaim any express or implied warranty of fitness for such uses.
< 1253082700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what programs do you use...?
< 1253082707 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lots of stupid .NET stuff
< 1253082712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1253082715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses WPF and thus can't use Mono
< 1253082719 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, I've tried
< 1253082721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like...
< 1253082727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel the need to tell you *shrug*
< 1253082738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems needless 90% of the time.
< 1253082743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not
< 1253082751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly wish it was
< 1253082784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, AutomaticFurryScatPornSearcherAndDownloader v2 WPF Edition is probably pretty vital, I understand
< 1253082818 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very
< 1253082875 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253082956 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you have any experience getting Windows to work from both within and without a VM
< 1253082975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean... just getting windows to work?
< 1253082997 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean dealing with having Windows thinking it has two hardware profiles to deal with
< 1253083007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1253083011 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has an irritating idea that it should only work on a single machine
< 1253083025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, umm, that's not an unreasonable assumption
< 1253083027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1253083031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install in vm use disk
< 1253083031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1253083034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install on disk use vm
< 1253083036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever works.
< 1253083039 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do
< 1253083048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you use whichever it wasn't installed on, you get hardware errors
< 1253083054 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't install the drivers
< 1253083056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give u[
< 1253083058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up
< 1253083064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: install the drivers for the other hw in the vm
< 1253083065 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you install them, it erases the other ones
< 1253083066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vise versa
< 1253083074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: copy them away including registry before installing
< 1253083078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then copy back, check they still work
< 1253083088 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is all XP experience and I will be using Vista *shudder*, then 7)
< 1253083099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirate 7 immediately, btw
< 1253083101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use xp
< 1253083112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth fucking with vista
< 1253083128 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 comes out in a month?
< 1253083142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? the final is out on bittorrent
< 1253083146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 ultimate
< 1253083148 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, just wondering
< 1253083172 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike lots of people, I have this thing against randomly torrenting stuff
< 1253083212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i haven't bended your brain into anti-monopolist, pro-competition shape yet and removed your Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe :-P
< 1253083229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a wrench
< 1253083235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bent, not bended
< 1253083240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what?
< 1253083248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe?
< 1253083274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the lobe that makes you think if the state claims it's selling off parts of the moon, it is a universal truth that those parts of the moon are owned by whoever buys them
< 1253083299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets invoked for s/the moon/platonic information space/, but that's a bug
< 1253083307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suspect it's a backdoor, wake up sheeple.
< 1253083333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shake up weeple
< 1253083357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't have that lobe
< 1253083365 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't believe that torrenting is always bad
< 1253083371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :au contraire, you respect copyright
< 1253083377 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said I did
< 1253083385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering you defended it...
< 1253083389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that I recognize the necessity of the principle
< 1253083399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that isn't defending copyright I don't know what is
< 1253083412 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defending copyright and obeying it as it's written are different things
< 1253083444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to achieve the "principle" is indeed the state having a monopoly on giving away monopolies on parts of the platonic realm of information, that it cannot touch in any way
< 1253083470 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late to start this discussion again
< 1253083477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said.
< 1253083480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important this is, I won't torrent stuff just because it's convenient
< 1253083526 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other reasons I'll torrent, but that's not of them
< 1253083546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I torrent stuff because it's more convenient than any other way of getting it, but that's only because I think copyright is illegitimate crazy talk and I wouldn't consider who owns the moon when planning an expedition there either
< 1253083568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aiming to be illegal, Microsoft are perfectly welcome to send me a free copy if they want
< 1253083587 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My view of torrenting in general is this:
< 1253083616 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - someone has put hard work and effort into the product I'm considering torrenting and deserves some form of compensation for it, usually (there are exceptions to this point)
< 1253083653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of all your oh-but-it's-so-fair arguments for copyright, and if pretending the moon was owned by the USA brought happiness and unicorns to everyone's day-to-day life I still wouldn't.
< 1253083688 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - If I believe the good is worth the price asked, there is a reason to go buy the damn thing (note: this is not necessarily mutually exclusive with torrenting)
< 1253083696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, feeding money into Microsoft's horrible business practices strikes me as a far worse evil than pirating Windows.
< 1253083714 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - If there is a political reason for it, it could sway me either way stronger than anything else
< 1253083731 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, I refuse to pay any money to the recording industry. At all.
< 1253083748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Microsoft is no better than the recording industry.
< 1253083752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small-time companies, sure. But I am /not/ paying for product coming out of an RIAA member
< 1253083755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is damn obvious.
< 1253083815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft, I'm unsure of yet. There's internal conflict
< 1253083834 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the rumors about 7 are true, encouraging good product is a Good Thing
< 1253083845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and that RIAA album might be damn good too.
< 1253083870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who worked on it did a great job. Yet you still won't pay for it, because the RIAA is evil - and therefore paying Microsoft for Windows 7 is inconsistent.
< 1253083914 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft, as I said, has lots of internal conflict
< 1253083949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an autonomous business it is sociopathic, destructive and evil: it should be in prison for life. Heck, in the current US legal system probably even sentenced to death.
< 1253083967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But corporations get a wild card, despite being considered legal persons.
< 1253083985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, based on history, sure
< 1253084009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft may not have the opportunity to reoffend right now, but that's just because of the world around it.
< 1253084010 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I totally agree about corporations. The courts have the power to dissassemble corporations and should do it more willingly)
< 1253084020 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nah, they're offending right now.
< 1253084029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, but they're not on a murderous rampage.
< 1253084033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're like a drug addict trying to reform themselves
< 1253084041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I would consider paying such a person to buy a painting they made abhorrent.
< 1253084066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: maybe they're trying to stop smoking pot, but they're still doing heroin in private...
< 1253084090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft are just a really bad company.
< 1253084114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the fact is, right now, I'm willing to give Microsoft money for a good product.
< 1253084139 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /you/ think is completely irrelevant
< 1253084143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun supporting the sociopathic, drug-using serial killer.
< 1253084154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly going to stop you...
< 1253084160 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't
< 1253084166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1253084174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that painting is really damn good.
< 1253084175 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've spent long enough talking to you to know that you would if you could
< 1253084186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are severely misguided.
< 1253084192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no fascist.
< 1253084232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would count as fascism
< 1253084253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give your money to whoever you want.
< 1253084491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest thing about Microsoft now is they're threatened, I think they see that, and they're trying to deal with it. They're falling. And it's in my interests to cushion them (not going to say anything more on the subject; good night!)
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< 1253084508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION splurts
< 1253084511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft. Threatened.
< 1253084537 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1253084550 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pulling an IBM
< 1253084551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man that kool-aid must be good. Just, uh, so you know, if it's from a guy named Jim Jones I would, like, not drink it.
< 1253084587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's see... Microsoft, the threatened and falling company with a bad past and tons of internal conflict.
< 1253084594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I feel so warm and fuzzy now.
< 1253084603 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal conflict is a good thing
< 1253084613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Microsoft ;_;
< 1253084613 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I really need to get to bed
< 1253084629 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: odd as it sounds, I really do /not/ want to see them fail
< 1253084650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, those paintings are just way too good.
< 1253084664 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly
< 1253084665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, if you truly think Microsoft is threatened...
< 1253084675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're certainly not reading anything unbiased
< 1253084686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or falling too.
< 1253084724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft's doing what IBM did... I'll explain later. G'night for real this time.
< 1253084740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee
< 1253084742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy
< 1253085094 0 :fizzie!i=fis@83.150.124.63 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1253085106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie
< 1253085110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're weeping for microsoft
< 1253085390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Are they in need of sympathy?
< 1253085399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just ask coppro
< 1253085411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's threatened, falling and it has huge internal conflict
< 1253085413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1253085423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, buy windows
< 1253085480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... see.
< 1253085505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea it was so poor until coppro told it all :'(
< 1253085623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I kind of thought they weren't doing so bad these days. Admittedly I haven't really been paying attention.
< 1253085640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing about these facts
< 1253085645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're unrelated to actual evidence
< 1253085650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why they're so upsetting!
< 1253086203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit i cantr move my leg down
< 1253086216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa
< 1253086239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1253086241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1253086244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crisis averted
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< 1253088198 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1253088199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatd you do to yourself
< 1253088215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sitting with my legs up, and tried to put it down and it didn't work :|
< 1253088271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1253088272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1253088615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well?
< 1253089047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this graduate-school-funding-place application form has a length limit of 7500 characters (incl. whitespace, references) for the research plan; my plan is 7496 characters. (And it was originally about 13000 when written to another place with just "4-5 pages" length limit; was sorely tempted to use those txt msg abrvs 2 shrtn it.)
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< 1253097870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecturer mentioned ais
< 1253097889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in private conversation, not by name, but anyway, small world)
< 1253098443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's the opposite of nodding, i don't know it in any language
< 1253098487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's weird to explain something to a dude who keeps antinodding, especially when you don't realize he means "yes" by it
< 1253098551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :felt like he asked for help, then silently judged me while i explained
< 1253098563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i suppose he could've done because it was homework, but anyway
< 1253098583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreigners are so weird, they ask for help
< 1253098687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a few finns have done it too, although they rarely directly ask me to show my answers
< 1253098697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the weather like
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< 1253099358 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1253099649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ears burning?
< 1253099656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they be?
< 1253099672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you're quoting me out of context
< 1253099675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that happen when you're mentioned
< 1253099677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I don't remember saying that
< 1253099691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, my IRC ping is entirely visual
< 1253099698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flashing icons, flashing taskbar entries
< 1253099705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, were your eyes burning then
< 1253099713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm used to being pinged
< 1253099718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly by annoying bots on other networks
< 1253099728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your eyes will burn only if you aren't on the channel
< 1253099745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but usually I'm not
< 1253099754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a channel which is usually idle except a bot pings you every now and then
< 1253099756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's liek that
< 1253099758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like that
< 1253099772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X burns, where X is your method of perception, if the medium you usually follow using X mentions you when you aren't currently on it
< 1253099791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a red icon and slowly pulsing taskbar isn't particularly burning
< 1253099820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay nevermind, i just wanted to tell you i mentioned you
< 1253099847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you pinged me just to tell me that you'd pinged me?
< 1253099855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of logic that only #esoteric would come up with
< 1253099906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i agree, i'm just saying "read logs, so i don't have to repeat myself"
< 1253099928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realise the request to read logs
< 1253099931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly ever do nowadays
< 1253099933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, as a suggestion, it's not *that* interesting.
< 1253099933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where should I look?
< 1253099938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few lines up
< 1253099946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i asked about the burning
< 1253099956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happened between me joining and your ping, apart from Patashu leaving
< 1253099980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1253099989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by my definition your ears will not burn if you're on the channel when you're pinged.
< 1253099997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well eyes, whatever
< 1253100019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird being just enough of a celebrity that people occasionally recognise you in the street, and you have no idea who they are
< 1253100074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't like that
< 1253100091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose i'd like it more than actually knowing more people :P
< 1253100097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1253100145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with uninteresting people is i'm great at pretending like i'm enjoying the conversation, and i'm a pleaser.
< 1253100202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/pleaser/wuss/
< 1253100242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally try to get involved in the conversation
< 1253100261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if you dislike a conversation, you can get rid of it by steering the subject to something the other person doesn't understand
< 1253100317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my definition of interesting people, that works perfectly.
< 1253100385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting people = people who might actually try to understand this channel?
< 1253100474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm interested in many things, any of those
< 1253100499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some people are interested just for their personality, naturally, otherwise finding a gf might be kinda hard
< 1253100503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interesting
< 1253100551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i promise i'll stop being sexist when i see the first female mathematician that doesn't suck)
< 1253100752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang prof didn't know sk calculus
< 1253100852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our crypto-mathematician, who happens to be female -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisa_Nyberg -- didn't *seem* sucky, but I wouldn't really know, based on just the lectures of a single crypto-intro-course.
< 1253101016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure some of the students don't suck either, but i only know the ones that complain loudly about the hardness of the courses
< 1253101018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1253101028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which guys do just as much
< 1253101030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have already mentioned this, but I think she used to publish the course exam questions in advance, AES-encrypted.
< 1253101047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1253101052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hope that people would try to brute-force the encryption?
< 1253101116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "hope" that someone intelligently breaks AES, I guess; it's not a very great hope, but it sure is more likely than plain brute-forcing a 256-bit symmetric key.
< 1253101138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, she has to store the key somewhere
< 1253101143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's to encourage people to hack into her computer:?
< 1253101145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1253101161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the same place where the unencrypted questions are stored, most likely.
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< 1253107925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> Rub them in your eyes first. <-- i take it your eyes work about similarly weirdly as your nose...
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< 1253133766 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea for esolangs based on mahjong game.
< 1253133777 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write it more later, on the wiki
< 1253133855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you could have one "Mahjong operator" act on two inputs and one output. If the input is [3man,3man] then the output is [3man] and if the input is [5sou,4sou] then the output can be [3sou] or [6sou]
< 1253134159 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1253134284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would have to make it multiple outputs sometimes, too
< 1253134306 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly more than two inputs, also.
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< 1253134716 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, would it be correct to say that continuations make parallelism easier?
< 1253134931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd certainly make implementing it easier
< 1253134937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a non-parallel system
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< 1253137017 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In latter case, is the output deterministic, (pseudo)random or nondeterministic?
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< 1253138026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I'm not sure. I think it could be made deterministic
< 1253138051 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, with multiple program thread and can communicate afterward together too
< 1253138112 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Mahjongg operator is affected by all threads and forms "covert channel" between threads?
< 1253138265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be a possibility.
< 1253138298 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the input could be a list instead of just 2 entries. And the output could also just be a list, without multithreading or anything.
< 1253138342 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: [4sou,5sou] -> [3sou,6sou]; [1man,1man] -> [1man]; [4pin,5pin,6pin,7pin] -> [4pin,7pin];
< 1253138390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, if you have 4567 then you have a incomplete sequence and a pair, and you have to complete the pair with a 4 or 7, where the 567 or 456 would then be a sequence.
< 1253138421 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you have honors, there is no sequence, of course.
< 1253138457 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: [haku,haku,chun,chun] -> [haku,chun]
< 1253138928 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make everything a list. So, applying the mahjong operator twice to [2sou,2sou,3sou,3sou] would result in [1sou,4sou]
< 1253139588 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in non-turing-complete front: BLOOP augmented with Conway arrow operator.
< 1253139817 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be capable of expressing g_n. g_1 is already unimaginable. g_64 is Graham's number... So it grows fast.
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< 1253144078 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1253144264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc
< 1253144266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and night
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< 1253144287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used "ImageMagick"?
< 1253144314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used convert from imagemagick yes
< 1253144315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1253144332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite a strange question to ask, considering how common the software is
< 1253144356 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used ImageMagick for not only image processing, but for audio processing, too.
< 1253144362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1253144365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1253144369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that?
< 1253144413 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't support audio formats, but if you have a raw audio file, you can load it as a file with a height of 1 and do processing on it.
< 1253144429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never had thought of that
< 1253144442 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imconvert -size 84622x1 -depth 8 r:- -channel R -fx "p{i+20*sin(i/50),j}" r:-
< 1253144452 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's a kind of flanger effect.
< 1253144456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1253144460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use audacity
< 1253144510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "imconvert"?
< 1253144522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere I seen it, it was just "convert"
< 1253144531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would break scripts using it
< 1253144549 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefixed all the files with "im" to make it work with Windows. On UNIX systems you would not prefix with "im"
< 1253144577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe "convert" is an existing command on windows *shrug*
< 1253144718 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they could add built-in audio support with red channell for the left channel, and green for the right channel. ImageMagick has FFT (although an external library has to be added to use it), and other stuff, so it should work.
< 1253144754 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other feature I wanted in ImageMagick is a utility to put formatted text onto a image, including with masking and symbol-fonts, like Magic Set Editor does.
< 1253144858 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I work on MSE :)
< 1253144896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, I think I read the name "coppro" somewhere in the MSE, but I wouldn't quite remember exactly
< 1253144902 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the Linux de
< 1253144904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dev
< 1253144920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is MSE?
< 1253144948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Custom card renderer
< 1253144969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :card? as in *.vcard?
< 1253144973 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, image magick text formatting might have a file with \ for each format, such as \^ for superscript, \_ for subscript, \b for bold, \i for italic, \z for symbols, \s for relative size, -mask for mask image, and so on
< 1253144981 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, as in CCG
< 1253144986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, CCG?
< 1253144995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collectible Card Game
< 1253145000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those
< 1253145073 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImageMagick has enough functions to render the card, except for a utility to write formatted text in the same way.
< 1253145159 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE uses wxWidgets :/
< 1253145186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that.
< 1253145576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, script gimp?