00:04:44 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:15:49 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:19:08 -!- ehird has joined. 00:19:11 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:19:25 fop dop mop 00:20:28 hop top lop 00:20:32 How do I stop myself from asking stupid questions? 00:20:35 00:20:55 turn on your deduction circuits 00:20:57 Sew your mouth shut. 00:21:04 also turn off any lingering ADHD transistors that may be firing 00:21:37 you don't. you just rise to a higher level where the questions are so clever other people don't realize they are stupid. 00:21:48 knowing me I'm going to install this and the game won't be compatibl 00:21:49 e 00:21:54 oh well, I can trivially put XP on instead 00:22:02 so most of the work won't have been wasted if that's the cas 00:22:03 e 00:22:14 the danger here is not to end up in time cube land, it's nearly the same direction 00:22:30 *-not 00:22:33 (right now i'm running a windows program with wine remastering a windows 7 RC x64 install CD using my already-burned copy that needs a 64-bit EFI, which I don't have) 00:23:20 ehird: there's just got to be a yo dawg in there somewhere 00:23:28 more like an oh gawd 00:30:09 My homework: http://codepad.org/F8rBjCL3 00:31:53 in Sgeo's world, we are all intimately interested in the trivial C++ he was told to write 00:32:03 (yeah yeah pot kettle :)) 00:33:23 WARNING: This image contains filenames and/or directory names that are 00:33:24 NOT COMPATIBLE with Windows NT 3.51. If compatibility with 00:33:24 Windows NT 3.51 is required, use the -nt switch rather than 00:33:24 the -n switch. 00:33:27 oh noes!!!111 00:39:29 * ehird brunz 00:50:15 `define brun 00:50:16 * Bruno, Brun, or Braun (died 2 February 880) was the Duke of Saxony from 866 to his death. He was the elder son of Liudolf, progenitor of the ... \ [23]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brun_(Saxony) \ * Bruun is a family name of Nordic origin. The meaning is brown (brun in Danish, Swedish and Norwegian). ... 00:50:21 burn 00:50:21 :P 00:50:38 * ehird yawns a lot 00:50:48 Sir Yawnsalot 00:50:57 or... 00:51:01 SIR YAWNSABUTT 00:51:02 ahahahdahsdskgdk;jlfl; 00:51:03 ' q 00:51:17 ok that settles it, you are overly tired 00:52:33 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:52:42 oerjan: :) 00:52:44 not really 00:52:49 tired, yes, but not overly 00:52:54 hi zzo38 00:52:58 zzo38: I have no opinion either way 00:53:08 with that joke? don't be ridiculous. 00:53:08 just wanted to preempt any questions :P 00:53:41 preempted before prompted 00:53:44 oerjan: it is to be noted that most of the time, only my externalities are ever tired; internally I'm still comprehending properly but, you know, my fingers just type "yawnsabutt". 00:53:57 with that said, buttman, he has a cape and a butt,. 00:54:50 and while you are dreaming, it's all making sense too 00:55:01 yessir 00:55:21 In GameBoy codes, is it a good idea to make the background pattern tile $9C instead of tile $00, that's what I use for the clear-screen subroutine, it uses $9C (can you figure out why without looking at the code?) 00:55:39 i have already answered 00:55:50 But I'm not asking you specifically. 00:55:53 :P 00:55:57 this amuses me: http://blog.wolfram.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/manipulate2.swf 00:57:23 * ehird installs windows 7 rc... again 00:57:45 -!- ehird has quit. 00:57:56 I am writing some GameBoy programs, maybe I can also make a brainfuck interpreter on GameBoy (I could make it compiled into Gameboy codes, make each brainfuck command []+-<>,. compiled into a RST command) 00:58:25 Other esolangs would be a bit harder though, but some of them can probably be done 01:03:12 + can become 34 - can become 35 < can become 2B > can become 23 . can become C7 , can become E7 01:03:26 -!- ehird has joined. 01:04:41 * ehird decides that a mediocre victory beats no victory, puts XP cd in 01:05:01 as long as it's not a pyrrhic one 01:07:00 -!- ehird has quit (Client Quit). 01:12:11 Why does x86 not have $00 is NOP but GameBoy does? 01:13:42 would you actually _want_ $00 to be NOP? it would mean if you accidentally jumped into zero-initialized memory you would just zip past it, perhaps into some real code... 01:14:09 much better to make it an exception of some kind... 01:14:40 -!- coppro has joined. 01:14:58 (not that i know what $00 actually does on x86 or anywhere else) 01:19:41 ^ul (KH)(A)(:*)(:*)::**^^(N!)**S 01:19:41 KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! 01:22:52 X86 has 00 00 be one of: ADD [BX+SI],AL (16 bit addressing), or ADD [EAX], AL (32 bit addressing). X64 64-bit mode has it ADD [RAX], AL 01:24:41 What exactly it is is affected by address size but not bitness (since it happens to be byte-sized operation involving memory access). 01:25:14 IIRC, 00 00 00 00 in MIPS is a NOP. 01:31:38 X86 primary NOP is $90, which actually is instruction to swap value of AX/EAX with AX/EAX. 01:34:13 The reason I want $00 to be NOP is having to do with a code I wrote for copying a string to the display, the code is simplified when $00 is NOP 01:34:32 And now, see if you can figure out why I want $9C to be the background. 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Linux doesn't suck any more 04:04:58 ehird: that's what I'm doing 04:05:02 well, +k 04:05:03 Right then 04:05:12 coppro: There's your problem :P 04:05:14 lol 04:05:24 * ehird ponders whether Windows Live Messenger is hideously bloated enough to explode on his system. 04:05:38 But Pidgin is le crappy on Windows, and Miranda IM is fiddly to set up. 04:05:49 Chatzilla works pretty well 04:05:57 Chatzilla does not talk to MSN, and bitlbee sucks. 04:06:04 oh, you mean MSN 04:06:10 For IRC I'll probably use mIRC or something. 04:06:19 * coppro shudders at the mention of mIRC 04:06:38 Hey, don't knock mIRC. The scripting ... thing is an abomination, but it's a sturdy little... thing. 04:06:39 um... what's with your version string? 04:06:51 It's freenode's fucked up webchat thing 04:07:00 I would use mibbit, but they blocked it because FREENODE IS RUN BY RETARDED MONKIES. 04:07:00 CZ has JavaScript; though I've never actually tried to use it 04:07:27 ugh, Chrome is unreasonably responsive 04:07:36 apparently you are on Mozilla, AppleWebKit, "KHTML, like Gecko", Chrome, and Safari 04:07:37 I feel like I've just upgraded my internet connection 04:07:48 coppro: uh, that's what User-Agents are like 04:07:55 all browsers do that 04:08:05 sure, but not all at once 04:08:11 coppro: nope 04:08:19 IE is also Mozilla "compatible", for instance 04:08:23 It's because of version sniffing 04:08:37 "Mozilla" is sniffed for "not IE", so it goes in 04:08:43 AppleWebKit is, well, WebKit 04:08:56 "KHTML, like Gecko" is KHTML and getting Gecko-specific stuff since it'll probably work 04:08:59 Chrome is because I'm using chrome 04:09:06 and Safari is because Chrome uses WebKit, like Safari 04:09:10 and thus the sniffers are satiated 04:09:11 :/ 04:09:58 incidentally, my disk is F:! 04:10:19 interesting 04:10:20 because the EFI partition thing is C:, some empty space would be D: but isn't because it's empty, 04:10:23 OS X is E: 04:10:25 and this is F: 04:10:30 and then there's empty space that would be G: 04:11:01 * coppro is happy with Windows not having access to the ext partition 04:11:11 oh, it hasn't mounted OS X 04:11:16 it just assigned it a drive letter in the installr 04:11:16 installer 04:11:21 oh, I see 04:11:24 assuming it would figure out how to talk to that partition later :-P 04:11:28 is there an IFS module for it? 04:11:37 I think Boot Camp 3 with Snow Leopard has that or something 04:12:00 in any case, it may not be a great idea - Windows can't do Unix permissions and itself pretty insecure 04:12:05 mirc looks... worrying bloated 04:12:16 *worryingly 04:15:59 -!- ehird_ has joined. 04:16:04 -!- ehird has quit ("Page closed"). 04:16:07 -!- ehird_ has changed nick to ehird. 04:17:07 test 04:17:18 test 04:17:42 pon 04:17:46 lawl 04:17:50 hmm, okay 04:17:52 that's a nice linespacing 04:17:55 now can I change this font 04:17:57 I hate terminal :P 04:18:01 I think you're dropping the last character off every sentenc 04:18:20 yeah that is a known proble 04:18:30 o 04:18:34 coppro: am I? 04:18:54 I think s 04:19:01 i checked the logs. 04:19:03 I'm not 04:19:10 weir 04:19:12 curses, foiled agai 04:19:15 hmm this is fixedsys, not terminal 04:19:17 coppro: stoppit. 04:19:23 aww 04:19:50 ok, a reason to hate windows: no, Arial is not an acceptable font to ship in place of something like Helvetica 04:19:53 >:| 04:20:00 we would have got away with it if not for those meddling log 04:21:26 size 9 courier new seems acceptable when not antialiased 04:21:42 * ehird downloads windows live messenger against his better judgement 04:22:00 don't! 04:22:04 ehird: do you really need all that stuff while on Windows? 04:22:05 Asztal: why not? 04:22:13 I tried it on the insistance of a friend. It didn't work 04:22:14 it's not like you are planning extended trips, are you? 04:22:21 coppro: considering I'm booted into it, it'd be nice to use it 04:22:26 also, I am the epitome of laziness 04:22:48 * coppro is more lazy than ehird! 04:22:49 and, well, clicking things on windows goes faster. my lazy organ has a vested interest in keeping me here. 04:22:53 speaking of which... shit... homework] 04:23:05 Asztal: weeeeeeeeeell? 04:23:11 ehird, is this all an attempt to get some game working? 04:23:12 ehird: because windows live messenger is evil :( 04:23:23 Asztal: the protocol or the client? 04:23:34 Sgeo: that is the original intent of this escapade, yes. 04:23:40 =P 04:23:44 the client is what I was referring to 04:24:04 why's it evil? i mean it sucks yeah 04:24:06 i know _that_ 04:24:13 it's always "install a virus scanner! look at my advertisements! look at msn today! get a webcam!" :( 04:24:20 oh the ads right, point taken 04:24:21 what do you use instead, anyhoo 04:24:26 I'm out of the loop with windows... thingies 04:24:35 I think I ended up renaming the executable, since its starting up was causing me pain and misery 04:24:37 well, I'm too lazy not to use it :D 04:24:39 last I was in this circle miranda IM was the thing, and FUCK is that client a FUCKING BITCH to install 04:24:43 well okay not install 04:24:44 but 04:24:47 to get it halfway usable 04:24:48 at all 04:24:52 I hated Miranda IM 04:24:52 requires at least an hour of effort 04:24:59 once you had it working, coo, coo, great 04:25:08 you just spend 94837593457 hours on an underfeatured client 04:25:11 there is a program called apatch that will remove the advertisements from it, and possibly the virus scanner requirement 04:25:11 BET YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF 04:25:19 who remembers msn plus! 04:25:31 if you don't have a virus scanner, you're quite limited in file transfers :/ 04:25:32 I remember using some tool that did stuff with AIM 04:25:35 oh, grr, mIRC's inconsistent copying behaviour 04:25:57 also: holy crap chrome is fast 04:25:57 I was testing something that was a bunch of insults based on a s/n 04:26:04 it opens up as soon as i leave go of the icon 04:26:07 Sending it to myself, then my friend's sister IMed me 04:26:11 and every page so far has loaded as soon as i release my click 04:26:12 dayum 04:26:22 "2 is the number of times I raped your sister" was sent to her, iirc 04:26:29 Sgeo: xD 04:26:59 ew, chatzilla :( 04:27:07 ehird, use Silverex 04:27:24 gtk is conspicuously non-native. also xchat kind of sucks. 04:27:33 well 04:27:37 with gtk-wimp it'd be more native i guess 04:27:58 I don't really feel like supporting the xchat team's money-grabbing, evil windows binary payment scheme though, by using their product 04:28:12 ooh, GTK-Wimp looks hot 04:28:41 It's what gimp on windows uses and stuff. 04:28:46 It looks like, uhh, windows. 04:28:58 Asztal: does live messenger uninstall without sacrificing babies? 04:29:08 if so my lazy organ is directing me to the install button. 04:29:34 ehird, deleting msnmsgr.exe or renaming it is enough to prevent the evil from starting up 04:29:49 But is it in add/remove? 04:29:50 But then, that's typically true of viruses too, if you find all the places they're hidden 04:29:55 ehird, not sure, haven't checked 04:30:00 it uninstalls fine 04:30:02 Chrome complaint: checkboxes and the arrows on scrollbars don't show up when using Classic. 04:30:09 The former being far more major than the latter. 04:30:45 I wasn't serious with the "dont!" thing really, it's almost usable these days 04:30:48 :P 04:30:54 does it use a lot of system resources? 04:30:59 i'm cherishing this snappiness 04:31:07 as an aside, it sure was nice to have bootcamp install every driver for me 04:31:25 i just clicked next and sat there on my ass for five minutes while it reeled off a list of drivers it was installing, then ping! 04:32:06 hmm, apparently i'm on service pack 2 04:32:12 shouldn't it be trying to upgrade me to 3... 04:32:33 oh, it's set to download updates at 3am 04:32:42 * ehird changes that to download em for me and let me choose when to install 04:32:58 Asztal: "installing microsoft choice guard" 04:33:11 that does not sound like a thing that i want on my disk. 04:33:19 no, Microsoft, I do not want to use bing or MSN 04:33:20 fuck you 04:33:32 OH MY GOD 04:33:36 IT FORCES CLEARTYPE 04:33:38 MY EYEEEEEEEES :P 04:33:54 ok so it doesn't look to bad with segoe ui, still. 04:34:07 wow, the dancing messenger people icon 04:34:10 wasn't that in, like, msn 5 04:34:20 i remember using msn 5! 04:34:23 it SUCKED. 04:34:47 okay, okay 04:34:48 those adverts 04:34:49 fuck this shit 04:34:50 microsoft choice guard sounds about as honest as trusted computing 04:34:52 uninstalling now 04:34:58 http://apatch.org/ 04:35:04 also the window chrome looks like vista 04:35:06 just fuck that shit. 04:35:31 "OBLITERATE IT ALL! ALL OF IT! ALL!" 04:36:00 http://blog.marcocantu.com/blog/microsoft_choice_guard.html 04:36:20 evil. 04:36:41 Microsoft Real Player? 04:36:44 microsoft will truly never get it, will they 04:37:27 ok, first order of the day: replace mIRC 04:37:36 So, apparently, it could end up fighting malware, or end up fighting anti-viruses? 04:37:44 *maybe* silverex. 04:38:19 does hydrairc suck or not? it looks like it sucks but you can never tell with windows. 04:38:48 hey wait 04:38:52 limechat is available for windows 04:39:20 although apparently only in japanese >_< 04:39:35 * ehird installs silverex 04:39:46 X-Chat 2 no longer uses GTK+ Runtime Environment—GTK+ libraries are included in installer. You may use system's GTK+ runtime, though—deselect GTK+ durint X-Chat install. 04:39:50 * ehird installs a system-wide gtk 04:39:54 because, you know, fuck such things. 04:40:09 also god damn, why hasn't anyone told me how amazing chrome is? 04:41:59 ehh 04:42:04 too lazy to install separate gtk 04:42:57 * ehird uninstalls mirc 04:43:00 -!- ehird has quit. 04:47:04 -!- ehird has joined. 04:47:09 how unsurprising 04:47:16 the MS-Windows theme doesn't actually use native widgets. 04:47:24 for instance, menus don't fade in. 04:47:30 this is arguably an improvement :P 04:49:17 are they supposed to 04:49:24 that must be something I disable :) 04:49:30 yeah, I disabled that now :P 04:49:45 not menu shadows though. 04:49:49 I like menu shadows. 04:50:57 eh, this'll do. 04:51:29 "Slide open combo boxes" is the worst one though. 04:51:29 grr 04:51:35 can you disable this thingy 04:51:36 er 04:51:37 what is it 04:51:42 where minimising goes to the tray 04:51:43 in xchat 04:53:20 holy crap, the volume buttons work and display a fascicile of the volume control HUD thing on os x :) 04:53:24 uglie rtho 04:53:26 uglier tho 04:54:01 ok, current task: get myself an IM client 04:55:06 hmm 04:55:42 i guess pidgin might be acceptable on windows these days... 04:55:50 worth a try 04:57:08 Asztal: is it true that windows really does not have global spellchecking? 04:57:34 yes 04:57:44 ok, I'm hating it a bit now 04:57:56 anyway i have to quit this because it's using gtk while gtk is installing because of pidgin SHOCK HORROR -> 04:57:59 ... 04:58:02 Alt-F doesn't work in xchat 04:58:03 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 04:58:09 -!- ehird has quit ("Leaving"). 05:00:38 -!- ehird has joined. 05:01:07 sort of satisfied with this, I guses 05:01:08 guess 05:02:06 incidentally - 05:02:12 "Rearrange items on your hard disk to make programs run faster" 05:02:22 I think I'm going to fix up a website that I strongly disagree with 05:02:23 best way to say "Defragment disk" ever, or best way to say "defragment disk" ever? 05:02:30 They use Java for pretty buttons! 05:02:30 Sgeo: define fix up, define this website 05:02:46 ehird, stop them using Java to display fancy buttons 05:02:48 http://www.theprophecies.com 05:02:56 RAGE 05:02:58 X-Chat can't 05:02:59 And get rid of that useless page with Next-> 05:03:00 open links 05:03:01 in one click 05:03:14 Sgeo: are you perhaps expecting better of kooks? 05:05:09 ehird, I'm just so opposed to the horror, I feel compelled to do something 05:05:22 Asztal: do you fathom at all why clicking the "updates! installlllll meeeeeeeeeee" icon makes it disappear then bother me soon after with no change? 05:05:22 It would be easy to fix it up, just a little, and email the pages to the webmaster 05:05:35 Sgeo: dude, these people are clinically delusional and insane 05:05:39 just ignore them 05:06:54 Is this considered attempting to convert me? Because she said she wouldn't 05:06:55 http://pastie.org/private/zkp5rajablwpfxdwm8cqg 05:06:58 ehird: no idea 05:07:44 Sgeo: dude, stop talking to these people 05:08:03 it's as pointless as trying to reason with a mental inpatient except they're socially acceptable, thus bolstering their delusions 05:08:12 I'm not going to try to debate her 05:08:13 you may find more productive conversation in avenues such as "a brick wall" 05:08:28 Sgeo: there is a fundamental gap in the religious mind between people and the unsaved 05:08:43 it is unlikely you will get anywhere without them first converting you unless they think it'll help convert you 05:08:44 "Is there a reason why you don't believe in God? (I am not going to judge you or try to convert you I am just very interested in people and what they believe and why they believe it. After all everyone has faith in something)" 05:08:52 Disclaimer: by religious i mean fanatical here 05:09:15 Sgeo: believe that if you want /shrug 05:09:48 * ehird runs windows update as a stopgap 05:11:49 ehird, you know, I'm the one who started the conversation. I asked her what she does at church 05:12:19 just so you know, you're fairly obviously trying to twist what I say in the direction you want it to go 05:13:20 ..what direction do I want it to go? I'm not [consiously] trying to twist anything, I think 05:14:44 'she won't try and convert you, she'll respect whatever you say' etc 05:14:48 --------------------------- 05:14:48 Service Pack 3 Setup Error 05:14:48 --------------------------- 05:14:48 There is not enough disk space on F:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$ to install Service Pack 3. Setup requires a minimum of 4 additional megabytes of free space or if you also want to archive the files for uninstallation, Setup requires 4 additional megabytes of free space. Free additional space on your hard disk and then try again. 05:14:49 --------------------------- 05:14:51 OK 05:14:53 --------------------------- 05:14:55 wtf 05:14:57 the partition is 64gig 05:15:17 w 58g free 05:17:52 -!- oerjan has quit ("Galactic size partitions, now!"). 05:17:53 :( 05:18:06 strange. 05:24:27 * ehird installs other updates first 05:24:38 -!- Asztal has quit ("."). 05:25:30 "Download size (total): 34.9 MB 05:25:30 Estimated time at your connection speed: 1 hour 0 minutes" 05:25:39 woo broadband? :P 05:32:46 "I think this conversation is starting to take a turn towards conversion talk. If you're ok with that, I'm ok with it. If you're not ok with it, feel free to ignore the rest of this email, and we'll change the subject." 05:32:56 Is that a good way to begin this email? 05:36:28 do you know what you're doing Sgeo? 05:36:30 asking stupid questions. 05:45:45 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:06:43 -!- ehird has joined. 06:16:32 that disk space thing was an efi-relate issue. 06:16:33 d 06:16:34 fixed. 06:20:53 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:28:15 -!- ehird has joined. 06:28:39 fo2b2 06:54:55 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 06:57:57 he left before i could ask him if she's hot 07:01:16 :-) 07:08:58 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 07:10:46 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:12:30 -!- ehird has joined. 07:35:15 eh, i guess i have to install emacs if i want a decent haskell editor on win32 :) 07:36:33 /ban ehird 07:36:36 oops 07:36:41 totally man. 07:38:21 windows, emacs... nazism... 07:38:29 rape... 07:38:33 gay marriage... 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:07 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:18:21 -!- Rugxulo has joined. 08:18:46 * Rugxulo is bored waiting for something to compile ... 08:21:24 consider flying. 08:22:48 ehird, what esolangs do you prefer anyways? 08:23:28 for the traditionals: underload. unlambda. weirder: uhh, every single oklopol language 08:23:35 oh, redivider is sorta fun too. 08:23:53 what's the deal with Unlambda anyways? 08:24:08 oh, paintfuck is fun too 08:24:11 Rugxulo: whadyamean 08:25:00 also there's nothing I hate more than a hypocrite, and I'm currently running emacs on windows so feel free to stab me. 08:25:39 oh, and the windows is relatively old... though that wasn't by choice 08:25:48 it's almost enough to make a man believe in synchronicity 08:26:00 asshole synchronicity. 08:29:05 relatively old? what version? 08:29:21 (I mean, XP can be considered relatively old although I find that ludicrous) 08:29:26 XP 08:29:33 2002 is plain old, but it's SP3 08:29:35 that's not so old 08:29:37 so it's just relatively old 08:29:41 SP3 was just this year or so, right? 08:29:45 even SP2 was 2004 :-P 08:29:48 well true 08:29:59 but Vista was a major reworking and 7 was a further refinement 08:30:04 ehird, I still use much much older software 08:30:06 i don't think old is solely time-based 08:30:19 Rugxulo: well, I installed this to use some old software 08:30:21 eh, Vista regressed in a lot of ways 08:30:23 although it's a game, so that doesn't count 08:30:30 sure it does 08:30:30 also, yes, but it's still change 08:30:47 Rugxulo: not really, because games don't get updates that make them "work better" 08:30:50 beyond initial bug fixes 08:30:58 there's no "made the plot less obtuse at this point" 08:31:08 depends on the game :-) 08:31:20 but I guess for commercial stuff, probably not :-> 08:31:30 true :P 08:31:56 but damn, you windows guys are lucky for having a polished Chrome 08:32:05 ridiculously polished 08:32:15 yes, I know 08:32:19 it runs pretty well 08:32:23 faster than Firefox 08:32:36 faster than firefox ON WINDOWS! 08:32:48 they've improved it a lot for other OSes lately, though 08:32:51 it's like 2-3x faster than safari/osx in realtime, and feels like 5x faster than safari/osx subjectively 08:33:12 Safari and Chrome both use Webkit, I think 08:33:21 yes 08:33:33 but there's the javascript engine, the drawing code, ... 08:33:38 besides, V8 (or whatever) is also a lot faster (x86, ARM) although Safari always bragged about speed 08:33:56 i mean, browsers don't just render a page and draw it all in the same way 08:34:03 well, to be completely honest, I think they used MSVC, which believe it or not may actually be better than GCC in some optimizations (don't ask me why!!!) 08:34:37 I love GCC to death, so it kinda annoys me that MSVC somehow does something better, and I personally refuse to use it (too bloated, annoying, non-compliant, etc.) 08:34:40 I doubt it makes a difference at such a high level 08:34:47 But gcc is kind of... crap 08:34:56 It's free and supports a lot, that's all it has going for it 08:34:56 not crap, just weird, hard to maintain, etc. 08:35:10 bad code, not very good optimisations, compiler itself is slow, etc. 08:35:13 besides, MSVC only targets x86 (and maybe ARM?), so it's probably easier to work on 08:35:17 also it's gpl3. 08:35:20 compiler is very slow 08:35:22 llvm/clang = <3 08:35:25 only 4.2.1 and newer are v3 08:35:35 apple are moving to llvm/clang totally for future os x 08:35:44 most of the bundled apps in snow leopard are compiled with clang, IIRC 08:35:51 really? huh 08:35:58 I knew they employed the Clang dude 08:36:03 which is a pretty major leap from "experimental, might work" to "hey! let's compile the apps in our large-market commercial OS with it" 08:36:09 Rugxulo: LLVM is pretty much an Apple project 08:36:18 well, FreeBSD 8 also imported Clang into their CVS tree 08:36:30 om nom nom nom 08:36:33 it started out separate from them, though, they just pay the guys to keep working on it 08:36:47 but yeah, GCC is damn slow, very annoying, but oh well ... what can ya do? 08:37:09 OpenWatcom is faster but slightly worse optimizations 08:37:16 heck, even "old" GCC 3.4.4 is twice as fast 08:37:53 I want to say some of that is all the constant garbage collection, but I think that's less of an issue 08:37:54 no, apple software update, I do not want to install itunes or quicktime for windows because they are SHIT on windows 08:38:00 I would like that driver update, however 08:38:06 70 MB updates every freakin' time, so annoying ... 08:38:10 Please do not tick both of them at once. It's sleazy. 08:38:14 heh 08:38:32 oh, didn't Chrome just pioneer some ultra-good update compression diff thingy? (better than bzdiff or whatever) 08:38:43 for binaries only, iirc 08:38:45 they use it for updates 08:38:48 or sth 08:39:06 well, as you know, Chrome auto-updates on the fly all the time 08:39:19 does it? 08:39:25 that's cool. also creepy. 08:39:27 but also cool. 08:39:40 * ehird wonders why he can't seem to put Windows into inverse letterbox mode 08:39:49 (4:3 res on 16:10 display; black bars at either side) 08:40:00 there's probably a way :-) 08:40:01 (I get the equivalent of the (stretched) variant of the resolutions from OS X) 08:40:11 Rugxulo: it probably involves downloading some crappy shareware or something 08:40:21 prolly easier to buy a 4:3 monitor. 08:43:42 BTW, I meant, "Unlambda probably requires somebody who knows what the hell lambda calculus is, eh?" 08:45:12 you mean somebody not retarded? 08:45:14 oops disregard that 08:45:22 :D 08:46:04 you gotta admit it looks tough 08:46:10 well, so did Befunge until recently :-) 08:46:34 ```sk`````sk (not exactly clear cut, IMHO) 08:46:35 No output. 08:47:04 heh, one guy wrote an Unlambda interpreter in sed (!) 08:49:22 I see your drivers are being updated! FOUND NEW HARDWARE. FOUND NEW HARDWARE. FOUND NEW FUCKING HARDWARE, DAMMIT! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! 08:49:34 Thank god I have the sound muted, at least. 08:51:00 have you used Vista before? 08:51:15 Rugxulo: not that i know of, but I'm fairly familiar with it despite that. 08:51:22 why? 08:51:42 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("Page closed"). 08:52:10 ? 08:52:31 well, I suspect you will hate it 08:52:35 it's more annoying 08:52:47 (although you could technically turn off UAC) 08:53:13 eh, I toyed around with Windows 7 RC for a bit (I was going to try Windows 7 RC x64 first, but had issues with the 64-bit part; so I fell back to XP) 08:53:18 the UAC is fine, really 08:53:22 unless it was significantly worse in vista 08:53:41 it's basically the same as e.g. ubuntu's administrative privileges dialog, from what I can tell 08:53:51 anyway, restart time! 08:53:53 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:55:43 -!- ehird has joined. 08:55:46 dear bluetooth thingy 08:55:51 remove bluetooth icon means do that 08:55:54 don't sit around there. 08:56:52 grr 08:56:55 disappear :| 08:57:43 actually, I guess it's (semi-)moot how well / badly Vista behaves now that Win7 is out ... but then again, there are a lot of pre-existing copies, and not everyone will upgrade (e.g. me) 08:58:05 but you can't upgrade from XP anyways, gotta clean install 08:58:30 yay it disappeared 08:58:31 happy day 08:58:37 and they nickel-and-dime us to death again with various restrictions depending on version purchased (e.g. no XP mode for home users) 08:59:08 I hear that 64-bit Windows works fine assuming you have suitable drivers 09:00:31 Vista has a different driver model, and some computers don't have XP drivers (I think) 09:00:52 xp mode is kind of useless though 09:00:56 since... everything works with vista 09:01:02 uh ... hell no 09:01:09 a lot of stuff still doesn't work with Vista 09:01:18 * Rugxulo isn't as big a fan of Windows as you think 09:01:29 well yes, the circa 1990 windows-shipped utilities you use every day to calculate 2+2 probably don't. 09:01:32 even a lot of MS software initially didn't work on Vista !! 09:01:59 MS finally rewrote Calc for Win7 (it'd been more-or-less unmodified for a billion years) 09:02:33 same as for Freecell in Vista, finally got overhauled (apparently the same as the Win32s version from before 1995 or so) 09:03:08 1990 probably had a lot of good software although 386s and 486s were the best out at the time 09:03:20 Win 3.0 came out in 1990 (heh) 09:03:21 i'm using windows, w-w-w-w-indows 386 09:03:27 so all my applications are running at once 09:03:52 you're using Win NT 5.1 09:04:05 Win NT 3.1 was from 1993 or so (I think) 09:04:11 (you have seen that video right?) 09:04:12 4.0 was from 1996 09:04:17 no 09:04:26 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239 09:04:33 yes, it is an official microsoft promotional video 09:05:07 have you seen the MS-DOS 5 video? :-) 09:05:29 i think so. also ballmer yelling to advertise windows 09:05:32 but seriously, this takes the cake 09:06:02 no way, MS-DOS 5 was extremely cheesy 09:06:14 Rugxulo: this isn't just _cheesy_, no no 09:06:15 it was a freakin' (white) rap video 8) 09:06:22 this *warps reality* 09:06:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfpYrem94q0 09:07:03 12 mins?? wow, long... 09:07:07 it's worth it 09:07:22 there's a clipped version of the last, crack-headed 7 minutes, but that doesn't let you lure you in with some semblance of sanity 09:09:05 okay 09:09:15 cassettes? omg ... :-)) 09:10:31 Windows/386 must be 2.1/386 (I guess??) 09:10:44 who knows 09:10:50 i don't know if it overlaps windows 09:10:52 you'll see 09:11:23 Win 3.0 (1990) could still run on an 8088 / CGA 09:11:32 3.1 required a 286, and 3.11 (WfW) required a 386 09:12:01 I used 3.11, but it wasn't for Workgroups. 09:13:34 this was obviously before MS stopped working on OS/2 09:13:50 yeah, I'm guessing this is Win2.1 09:14:01 (blind guess, never used that version) 09:15:05 okay, I guess this is the lame part (she's singing) 09:15:11 all of it's lame! 09:15:18 no, I think the MS-DOS 5 one is much lamer 09:15:22 watch it! :-) 09:15:40 why the hell did it zoom to her face??? 09:15:50 * Rugxulo feels like he's watching a bad porno) 09:16:03 ah, she changed clothes 09:16:12 very 80s 09:16:41 heavy synth 09:17:40 why are they dressed like barber shop quartets?? 09:18:47 thumbs up 09:18:55 (that's what she did) 09:19:23 no, sorry, the MS-DOS 5 one is much lamer/funnier 09:20:05 you're crazy :P 09:21:25 what, you've seen it AND disagree? 09:21:33 'cause if you haven't seen it ... 09:21:39 i think i've seen it 09:21:52 "gimme five (gimme five)" 09:22:09 him rapping with the backup singers 09:22:27 xD 09:23:43 heh, you don't have to watch it again just on my account, but it was definitely funny 09:25:13 it's ridiculous how choppy windows get if you move them 09:25:23 c'mon, microsoft, it's like 2001 when you did this shit 09:25:31 we have buffering! 09:28:26 * ehird sees a lot about using putty as a cygwin shell, but not as a gnuwin32/whatever shell... 09:29:05 I dunno, I've only ever used PuTTy for telnet (Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup) 09:29:28 and like I said, WinNT is much older than 2001, so lots of it are left over from before, so it's not always so hugely modern 09:29:33 it's just i anticipate myself itchin' for some command line action, and cmd.exe, well, sucks. 09:29:49 use the lite/free version of 4NT (I forget its name) 09:30:05 or obviously install Cygwin (Bash) 09:30:18 Cygwin supports other shells too 09:30:19 but I'm a unix kind of guy! 09:30:21 nooo 09:30:24 cygwin's ports are non-native 09:30:29 but really, it isn't so much the shell 09:30:30 as the terminal 09:30:33 they're native, just slow due to API emulation 09:30:40 ...i.e., not native 09:30:42 but no 09:30:52 there is a definite disrepancy between cygwin world and windows worl 09:30:52 d 09:30:58 cygwin has X11-based terminals, anyway, but eh 09:31:00 well, then try MSYS 09:31:13 msys's terminal is just cmd.exe, iirc 09:31:28 I dunno, never tried it, but they claim it can run "configure", which is no small feat 09:31:41 Rugxulo: you fail to differentiate "terminal" and "shell" 09:31:50 also, no it's not; configure has 50000000 lines of crap to deal with rubbish shells 09:33:06 not really, they avoid a lot of specific stuff if they can 09:33:52 for instance, it could be a lot more DOS friendly, and I'm not even sure it would work as is (well, it definitely won't, but that's due to a pressing bug, there are probably loads of other issues too for "pure" DOS) 09:34:12 * ehird installs mingw/msys as a first stage 09:34:27 I still say Cygwin would be good enough for your needs, esp. if you're such a *nix nerd 09:34:31 it's not that slow, believe me 09:34:34 I have used cygwin before 09:34:41 I'm not dismissing it based on anecdote 09:34:50 and just to tie in with the configure subject, they claim Autoconf 2.64 is 30% faster on Cygwin now 09:34:56 what is the problem with unxutils? 09:34:58 I know, you're smart, I see that :-) 09:35:04 it's gnu utils, running natively on windows, compiled with mingw 09:35:13 i don't see why i'd choose cygwin over that 09:35:21 apart from the larger selection of packages, which doesn't matter when I just want a shell and some tools 09:35:31 'cause Cygwin probably runs better, more fully-featured 09:35:40 the unxutils are the full things 09:35:47 exactly the same gnu tools 09:35:55 trust me, a Cygwin compile of Bash is probably loads less buggy than a MinGW one 09:36:13 GNU is very POSIX-oriented, and Cygwin is POSIX while MinGW isn't at all 09:36:19 http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ 09:36:22 DJGPP is more POSIX than MinGW 09:36:24 i'm not talking about some random no-name project 09:36:25 I know, I've seen it before 09:36:27 this thing is well known 09:36:34 you still need lots of hacks without POSIX 09:36:41 lots! 09:36:51 ok, let's put it this way: if i ever need to type /cygdrive, it's disqualified :P 09:37:13 I think 'cygpath' is the way around that 09:37:16 (not sure) 09:37:38 ok, here's a good reason against unxutils: 09:37:40 "Last change on 30-04-04 by Karl M. Syring (bug reports are welcome)" 09:37:53 although I'm sure it's not that old 09:38:01 hmm 09:38:02 you never know, it might be 09:38:04 last updated march 2007 09:38:05 it seems 09:38:10 which isn't too bad 09:38:17 Bash 3.0 was from 2004, but 3.2.48 (or whatever) was this year (before 4.0, of course) 09:38:48 March 2007 could mean anything, probably a lot still going on behind the scenes 09:38:54 just no "official" release 09:39:00 http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html ;; gee, a separate project with the same name 09:39:03 that's not confusing at all 09:39:03 (I know of several projects older than that, heh, but still updated) 09:39:09 Rugxulo: I didn't mean it like that 09:39:14 I meant, it's not that old [the latest update] 09:39:21 it's old enough to worry, though 09:39:33 but unless you encounter a bug or lack of feature, it's not an issue 09:39:53 first things first, mingw 09:39:57 I can depend on mingw :P 09:40:07 eh, barely 09:40:09 now do I want to install mingw and whatever it is in the same tree or not... 09:40:12 hmm 09:40:14 I think so 09:40:16 less PATH cruft 09:40:24 F:\gnu, I guess 09:40:50 so you want a shell, eh? could probably just use Eshell in Emacs 09:41:36 shell != termina 09:41:36 l 09:41:49 terminal = graphical program that executes a shell and lets you type into it, scrollback, etc 09:42:00 shell = program that parses commands and executes them 09:42:09 terminal example: cmd.exe the graphical app, bash, zsh 09:42:12 err 09:42:14 no 09:42:21 terminal example: cmd.exe the graphical app, xterm, rxvt 09:42:31 shell example: cmd.exe the thing that the graphical app runs, bash, zsh 09:43:08 but you said you were running Emacs on Windows 09:43:22 try "M-x eshell" before you say it's not a shell / terminal :-) 09:43:42 eshell is both 09:43:45 i know 09:43:58 but ehh, M-x term is as far as I'll go 09:44:17 "M-x ansi-term" also exists 09:44:22 yeah, but it isn't very emacsy 09:45:32 heh 09:46:57 "Spawning child process: invalid argument"; no emacs term for me 09:47:36 sounds like a Lisp bug (which should be reported so it can be fixed) 09:47:49 (if not already in CVS) 09:48:02 what version? (hopefully 23.1) 09:51:22 emacsw32, the emacs patched from like june or something 09:52:07 The PuTTY terminal emulation is not too shabby; if you want something seriously non-mainstream, I would assume installing some suitable SSH server and using "ssh localhost" with PuTTY would be that. 09:52:26 okay, I've (barely) heard of Lennard's "EmacsW32" 09:52:31 but June means it's probably 22.3 09:52:41 (well, or a CVS snapshot) 09:52:48 23.1 came out on July 29, I think 09:53:03 cvs snapshot 09:53:04 naturally 09:53:06 I'm using the official Win32 compile from GNU's FTP 09:53:11 23.1 09:53:17 final 09:53:30 i think we have to fight to the death now. 09:54:25 nah 09:54:31 fizzie: http://code.google.com/p/puttycyg/ 09:54:45 (note: project not dead; stable version just old) 09:54:50 maybe if I point it at mingw it'll work. 09:55:26 last updated Aug. 10, so that's good to know 09:55:50 At least win2k had a built-in telnet server for running the cmd.exe over telnet. I don't think it worked very well (if at all) if you happened to have a console application that actually did something more cursor-control-oriented. 09:55:53 http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ 09:56:46 40 MB download (if you want to "upgrade" to 23.1 final) 09:57:45 meh, ti wants cygwin dll 09:58:43 what does? 09:58:46 puttycyg. 09:59:14 you can download it separately, lemme find the link ... 09:59:45 it implise that puttycyg uses cygwni spawning functions to worka 09:59:50 and thus would fail 10:00:00 http://cygwin.com/snapshots/ 10:00:23 I'm telling you, GNU projects are *heavily* POSIX-oriented 10:00:32 and Windows does not have decent POSIX support 10:00:42 (no fork, for instance) 10:01:14 i'm well aware. 10:01:24 okay ... 10:03:10 * ehird downloads J 10:03:45 There was that whole "Windows Services for Unix" thing, I wonder if it's still alive for modern windowseses. 10:03:49 Yes. 10:03:53 Yes, Interix. 10:03:54 not for home useres 10:03:58 users 10:03:58 It sucks, I gather. 10:04:10 and the POSIX subsystem is long gone too 10:04:13 Rugxulo: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=896c9688-601b-44f1-81a4-02878ff11778 10:04:20 ORLY BITCHNIZZLE???11212 10:04:37 I wonder why j wants to install into my home directory. 10:04:41 That does not seem like sane thinking. 10:04:53 "no Win XP Home or Vista" 10:05:02 Oh. 10:05:15 * ehird installs it in system, since he is an admin and as such is invincible. 10:05:19 or Server 2003 R2 10:05:39 (that is, not there either) 10:05:43 The internets say most of it is included in Vista Enterprise/Ultimate, though. 10:05:48 Yay, it works. 10:06:06 Wtf my keyboard layout turned british again. rage. 10:06:26 you must've hit some specific key combo 10:06:30 nope 10:06:34 I\ve removed all other options 10:06:42 there we go 10:07:19 (+/%#)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 10:07:19 5.5 10:07:23 All in functioning order. 10:08:59 % is division? 10:09:29 yes 10:09:35 think this sign: 10:09:36 o 10:09:38 - 10:09:38 o 10:09:40 ÷ 10:09:41 on its side 10:09:46 (/ is used for folding) 10:10:01 Poor ASCII-limited fools 10:10:26 Deewiant: Do you know what happened before they became ASCII-limited fools? 10:10:27 APL 10:10:31 Yes, I do 10:10:31 Same people. 10:15:01 ah well, gotta go 10:15:11 see ya when I see ya! :-) 10:15:12 * ehird notes his quicklaunch bar is succumbing to featuritis 10:15:14 bye 10:15:19 -!- Rugxulo has left (?). 10:15:56 Incidentally, your "Fisherman's Fiend" idea somehow stuck with me enough to make me buy two packets of Fisherman's Friends. I don't and never did intend to make a Fiend, though. 10:16:17 You suck :P 10:16:37 One of them is of the ammonium chloride variety, which I guess is fairly nonstandard 10:17:01 You need the melted metal + acid version. 10:17:05 Scorching! 10:17:13 Restarting irc client so that my keyboard layout is right. 10:17:19 -!- ehird has quit ("Leaving"). 10:17:31 -!- ehird has joined. 10:17:36 yo. 10:17:45 -!- ehird has quit (Client Quit). 10:17:55 -!- ehird has joined. 10:18:08 i am dumb 10:18:12 -!- ehird has quit (Client Quit). 10:18:22 -!- ehird has joined. 10:18:29 hmm 10:18:40 oh well 10:19:24 -!- ehird has quit (Client Quit). 10:19:35 -!- ehird has joined. 10:19:58 Not working much? :-P 10:20:18 Meh! 10:20:47 Enable the language bar, if such a thing exists, and make sure it's on the right setting when you start your program 10:20:53 I know 10:20:57 There is only one setting 10:21:00 It's nothing to do with that 10:21:01 anyway 10:21:03 another problem now :P 10:21:04 but meh 10:22:23 -!- jix has quit ("Lost terminal"). 10:29:14 "Full installation MMX for DirectX 6.1" 10:29:23 Rockin' the high-end configuration here 10:30:03 There's also 3Dfx Voodoo Glide options :P 10:30:23 Apparently I have a Pentium III, and "4G colors". 10:30:33 And a SOUND CARD! 10:35:45 I like how the shortcut is "To Play Rayman 2". 10:35:51 Instead of, you know, just "Rayman 2". 10:36:47 Why Rayman 2 all of a sudden? 10:40:20 Deewiant: Whaddya mean? 10:40:24 It's what I installed Windows for. 10:40:40 I mean why that game in particular 10:40:52 /shrug. 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The iBook (G4) HD has decided to go and break. I wonder if it's just the standard 2.5" IDE thing, and not some sort of Appleism. (I've only stuck more memory in this thing, and that at least was very normal stuff.) 17:09:47 So's your mom 17:16:58 -!- impomatic has joined. 17:30:46 ehird, btw didn't you say no one uses python 3? 17:31:06 Brace yourselves! AnMaster is about to take things absolutely literally. 17:31:40 I agree mostly with that... But I found one exception.... this "introduction to computer science" course uses python 3.1 ... 17:31:45 which is a bit weird IMO 17:35:01 huh. 17:35:02 what uni. 17:35:06 oh, in sveden 17:35:12 tell them they're stupid :P 17:35:14 s/v/w/ 17:36:04 * AnMaster wonders what to do with the "--with-fpectl" configure flag for python 17:36:08 to use or not? 17:36:18 since ubuntu doesn't have 3.1 packaged, only 3.0 17:37:21 guess not 17:38:24 AnMaster: you know, 3.1 is just 3.0 17:38:26 with bugfixes 17:38:27 iirc 17:38:36 probably not worth the bother installing 3.1 17:38:43 unless this introduction course is made by a fan of edgecases 17:38:51 (i forbid you from teaching ever) 17:38:57 ehird, and some new modules iirc 17:39:05 oh and computed goto 17:39:16 and rewritten IO code in C (to make it fast) 17:39:24 computed goto also is supposed to make it faster 17:39:35 Yes, that hello world will be 10x faster and the new brokencsvmicrosoftwordmbox module will be vital in that course. :P 17:39:40 I wonder if MinGW comes with a fork(). 17:39:43 Only one way to find out!* 17:39:45 *lie 17:39:55 Can I tell X to turn caps lock on/off without pressing the caps lock key, somehow? 17:39:59 ehird, I think we got past that already. We got to loops and functions already :P 17:40:02 Deewiant: telepathy 17:40:13 No, I don't think X has a telepathy API 17:40:14 AnMaster: Next step, bleeding-edge modules 17:40:22 Deewiant: :| 17:40:37 F:\Documents and Settings\Elliott Hird\My Documents\Code ;; windows paths are uncomfortably long 17:41:04 Deewiant, you mean like with using xset led or so? 17:41:04 %HOMEPATH%\My Documents\Code 17:41:26 not sure if that actually toggles caps lock or just the led 17:41:37 Deewiant: that isn't the real name. 17:41:40 Actually thanks for reminding me about that, that should be sufficient 17:42:22 Deewiant, eh? 17:42:38 what are you trying to do btw? 17:42:43 Except that xset -led $i for all $i in 1..32 only toggles scroll lock :-P 17:43:08 Darn, MinGW *doesn't* come with a fork() :-) 17:43:09 Deewiant, I only ever used xset led off 17:43:24 Doesn't work either; only scroll lock 17:43:38 for some reason that turns off accessibility thingies if they get enabled by mistake 17:43:56 Anyway, what I did was I applied a vacuum cleaner to my keyboard and now the caps lock LED is inverted respective to the caps lock state 17:44:03 It's happened before 17:44:03 (yes that's weird, I would like to completely disable whatever the hotkey is for stuff like slow keys and such) 17:44:10 And restarting X is a solution 17:44:13 (haven't found the relevant option yet) 17:44:16 But I'm wondering if there's an easier way 17:44:29 Deewiant, fix: avoid using vacuum cleaner while computer is on 17:44:43 That's an even worse solution than restarting X 17:44:45 Deewiant, also that thing indicates that caps lock is somehow tracked in hardware 17:44:46 Deewiant: Just vaccum it again 17:44:53 ehird: I've tried that 17:44:55 :D 17:45:00 I somehow always manage to make it work like this 17:45:04 And not the other way around 17:45:13 Vaccum a CRT. It won't help, but it'll look cool. 17:45:17 Deewiant, I think this means the led is not software controlled at all 17:45:20 Granted, there's been a difference in that the first time around I try to clean the keyboard 17:45:22 but hardware controlled 17:45:27 Whereas the second time around I try to fix caps lock 17:45:32 ehird, oh? I never tried, what happens? 17:45:33 So maybe I'm doing it wrong 17:45:48 AnMaster: No idea, but it's probably quantum. 17:45:55 Deewiant, unplug the keyboard and replug it? 17:45:59 don't if PS/2 17:46:09 since PS/2 isn't hot-pluggable 17:46:22 PS/2 seems to be hot-pluggable 17:46:25 but I would assume I'm the only one still using a PS/2 keyboard 17:46:35 At least, I recall unplugging this keyboard several times 17:46:36 Surely Windows must have something that can implement fork() in its annals these days. 17:46:42 And it still working without a reboot after replugging 17:46:45 Deewiant, it isn't. IIRC ais said that it could potentially fry your keyboard 17:46:50 err 17:46:52 not keyboard 17:46:54 your mobo 17:46:59 PS/2 is de facto hot-pluggable, de jure not. 17:47:05 AnMaster: I always use PS/2. I use USB-to-PS/2 adapters for USB keyboards. 17:47:31 ehird, well maybe my system is DS9K then. Because my system promptly rebooted when I tried it a year ago or so 17:47:40 Deewiant: Why? 17:48:04 Surely Windows must have something that can implement fork() in its annals these days. <-- what about the thing cygwin does? 17:48:15 AnMaster: You mean basically being a kernel in userspace? 17:48:23 I'm sort of looking for something along the lines of not that. 17:48:31 ehird: Default USB keyboard protocol implementation allows only 6 simultaneously pressed keys (+ 2 or 3 modifiers, I forget) 17:48:42 Presumably 3 modifiers 17:48:44 Deewiant: Learn to type properly and chop off those extra fingers. 17:48:46 ehird, well iirc cygwin does it like: run new process but make it wait at a mutex, copy stuff over to new process, resume the new process 17:48:55 AnMaster: Which is evil 17:48:57 And slow 17:48:58 both processes are suspended while this is happening iirc 17:49:08 ehird, yes. But it counts as implementing fork() ;P 17:49:12 http://www.eggheadcafe.com/conversation.aspx?messageid=32086952&threadid=32040421 <- what about that? 17:49:15 not a GOOD fork() but still 17:49:17 So does return EDS9K 17:49:36 Asztal: still looks like the same thing 17:49:41 also, that's f rom the cygwin time. 17:49:47 so of course it is the same thing. 17:49:49 Yay, I figured out a better solution 17:49:50 ZwCreateProcess would be a way to do it, as that mentions 17:50:00 oh gawd, now I have to look at msdn 17:50:02 but ZwCreateProcess is part of the undocumented NT API 17:50:03 Go to VT1 -> turn caps lock off -> go back to VT7 (X) 17:50:12 Asztal: Or not! 17:50:20 Undocumented sonuds fun. 17:50:22 *sounds 17:50:59 Deewiant, oh interesting 17:51:05 Deewiant, xset led works for me btw 17:51:08 Wonder if I need the -Ex variant :-) 17:51:12 though I don't even have a caps lock key :P 17:51:18 that is an additional ctrl 17:52:05 Hmm, xset led is actually pretty weird 17:52:08 xset led on -> all leds on 17:52:14 xset led off -> scroll lock off, others remain on 17:52:42 Deewiant, wth 17:52:49 AnMaster: As much as I loathe to give any credo to Xah Lee, see http://xahlee.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html 17:52:49 :-P 17:53:06 *a word that isn't creedo 17:53:23 Deewiant, xset led on here only turns on scroll lock. It used to turn on caps lock, but that doesn't seem to happen any more 17:53:30 as for numlock, it used to affect that too 17:53:33 Heh, inverse situation? :-P 17:53:53 Deewiant, numlock not affected by off either 17:54:03 heh, weird 17:54:04 or on 17:54:35 ehird, I assume he have small hands 17:54:52 Please stop making that stupid grammatical error; you should know by now... 17:55:04 ehird, because if I use my palm like he describes, I can't reach z or x with my fingers... 17:55:05 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 17:55:27 you classify everyone who doesn't have huge hands as small handed 17:55:32 this is... false, to say the least 17:55:36 and an obvious bias 17:55:46 ehird, you do exactly the opposite 17:55:52 so it should even out 17:56:23 ehird, also I didn't swap. I use it in addition 17:56:29 I have no caps lock key feature 17:56:44 I can press ctrl with my palm and use my index finger to reach every letter up to the YHN column except Q and A 17:56:45 I do not do exactly the opposite, that is an unfounded assertion. 17:56:51 Do I have small hands? 17:57:00 Deewiant, how should I know? 17:57:11 From my statement 17:57:25 Deewiant, also reaching *up* wasn't the issue 17:57:28 reaching *down* was 17:57:35 Sure 17:57:37 because I would have to curl my finger a lot 17:57:40 Like I said, I can reach all except Q and A 17:57:50 And yes, that includes Z and X 17:57:54 Deewiant, well Q and A are at the top row? 17:57:58 well A isn't 17:57:59 And yes, it requires curl 17:58:00 but Q is 17:58:08 The problem with Q and A is they're too far to the left 17:58:16 My palm slides off ctrl if I press those with my index finger 17:58:22 Deewiant, can you reach altgr and 2 with the same hand? 17:58:27 Yes, easily 17:58:40 Deewiant, full sized keyboard? 17:58:40 Using thumb + pinkie I can reach right windows and esc 17:58:43 Yes 17:58:59 Deewiant, sounds pretty normal sized then 17:59:01 Although that's stretching it a bit; I might press altgr at the same time as right windows 17:59:43 Deewiant, right windows and esc is a bit stretching... but then this keyboard has a larger than usual altgr key for some unknown reason 18:00:16 and esc and the f keys are a bit further away than usual too 18:00:24 Well I don't know what's "usual" anyway, this is an early-90s HP keyboard 18:00:25 from the "main" section I mean 18:00:49 Deewiant, this is a ~2001 Fujitsu Siemens keyboard 18:00:57 possibly 2002 not sure 18:01:38 If this didn't have Windows buttons I'd guess it was 80s :-P 18:01:39 I should use an Apple Extended Keyboard II 18:01:44 Then I can be inexplicable even to the Model M users 18:02:01 ehird, symbolics one would beat even that 18:02:04 Inexplicable? 18:02:05 No. 18:02:14 Symbolics keyboards do not have high-quality keyswitches. 18:02:16 It has original Alps, doesn't it; that makes it somewhat cool 18:02:18 (as far as I know) 18:02:35 The Apple Extended's are at least equal to and perhaps better than the Model M's, depending on your tatse. 18:02:36 Deewiant, alps? Wow those keys must have been quite tall 18:02:36 *taste 18:02:43 AnMaster: :-P 18:02:51 Wikipedia says Alps, yes 18:02:56 Also, it's more obscure and the keycaps are made for one OS. 18:03:01 Deewiant, so what alps in this context 18:03:04 But hey, John Gruber uses one. 18:03:11 And "at least equal to" is incorrect 18:03:19 You can like buckling-spring more than the alps just fine 18:03:25 Well, true. 18:03:27 But I mean objectively. 18:03:32 ehird, err I remember an apple keyboard without the f-keys at all 18:03:34 No, they are different 18:03:36 They're undeniably high-quality, and you might subjectively like them more. 18:03:37 I think it was for apple classic 18:03:37 There is no objectivity about it :-P 18:03:42 Deewiant: see ^ 18:03:47 Well, what do you mean by "high-quality" 18:03:59 AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Apple_Extended_Keyboard.jpg 18:04:03 That's the II 18:04:05 not the original 18:04:07 AnMaster: Alps are a brand of key switches 18:04:16 Like Cherries, for instance. 18:04:21 Deewiant: What do you mean by "is" 18:04:35 By high-quality I mean they're high-quality in construction and engineering 18:04:52 Deewiant, ah 18:04:53 I acknowledge that the Model M's keyswitches are high-quality, and yet I do not really appreciate the feel of typing on it, preferring softer keyboards. 18:04:56 Okay, fine 18:05:05 Deewiant, um... is this like ALPS touchpad? as in same ALPS? 18:05:15 I don't know enough details to compare the quality of the Model M's switches and Alps 18:05:21 Or any other switches, for that matter 18:05:43 But yes, they're both higher-quality than most stuff on the market, fine. 18:05:55 I'm afraid at what I'm becoming 18:06:00 AnMaster: Possibly, I don't know. 18:06:08 I'm enjoying using Windows XP with the classic theme and no font antialiasing! 18:06:13 Surely sweet death must come soon... 18:06:22 :-) 18:06:22 ehird, on a mac screen or on a 96 DPI one? 18:06:24 Anything to relieve me from this internal termoil. 18:06:34 AnMaster: Mac. 100dpi isn't really different from 96dpi anyway. 18:06:35 s/ter/tur/ 18:06:43 ehird, only 100 dpi? 18:07:02 Yes, that's what they all are, roughly. 18:07:12 ehird, oh btw I saw gimp under mac os x think the ~114 DPI screen was actually 72 DPI 18:07:12 AnMaster: Googling a bit suggests that yes, they're both by Alps Electric Co., Ltd. 18:07:12 The 24" Apple Cinema Display @ 1920x1200 is 94dpi, even. 18:07:15 quite funny 18:07:22 However, 18:07:27 The notebooks are more like 120dpi. 18:07:45 ehird, well this one was 114 DPI, a few years old (still intel one though) 18:08:03 The most pixel-packing display on an Apple computer is the 17" MacBook Pro, which is full 1920x1200 (!); that's 133dpi. 18:08:59 ehird, nice 18:09:14 ehird, still I want a 30" at > 400 dpi 18:09:20 And I want a pony. 18:09:55 ehird, yeah... 18:09:58 btw... 18:10:00 I'd start breaking the piggy bank around 600dpi; with a good backlight you'd be very close to obsoleting print as a superior medium. 18:10:03 -!- AnMaster has set topic: PONY FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 18:10:04 (for reproduction) 18:10:08 OMG 18:10:09 no 18:10:10 ponies 18:10:11 could never 18:10:12 have a flu 18:10:13 was UNICORN before 18:10:14 they are too PURE 18:10:17 ehird, sure they can 18:10:20 NO 18:10:21 s/ / / 18:10:21 you're a liar 18:10:23 a plant 18:10:26 from the evil plant forest 18:10:27 DIE 18:10:29 SCUM 18:10:32 WITH PLANT FLU 18:10:53 ehird, that probably exists too. *shrug* 18:11:01 No :P 18:11:15 ehird, no? 18:11:56 ehird, wake me up at 1200 dpi screens that won't need backlight 18:12:01 OLED 18:12:02 like you don't use backlight for a book 18:12:12 iPaper. 18:12:15 er 18:12:16 eInk 18:12:17 whatever 18:12:17 it is 18:12:27 yes something like that 18:12:34 not sure how good colours it has yet 18:12:37 and what the DPI is 18:12:41 and what about response time 18:12:54 but hopefully at some point it will be good enough 18:13:10 of course, backlight as an option would be nice 18:13:46 I mean, in dark environments 18:14:02 would be nicer than having to use a torch 18:14:07 How come cmd.exe only lets you choose between Lucida and the default thingy :\ 18:14:20 ehird, what fonts are installed? 18:14:27 Stock 18:14:34 ehird, maybe those are the only fixed ones 18:14:36 Although admittedly the default terminal font is very crisp. 18:14:39 It's just... very bold, too. 18:14:46 ehird, better bold than shy 18:15:03 The 6x8 version is yummy like 9pt Monaco. 18:15:05 Registry hacks can let you use Consolas etc. in the console 18:15:08 But, er, small. 18:15:15 (though Consolas will look like vomit without Cleartype) 18:15:26 Asztal: I have a policy not to antialias stuff in here for no adequately explained reason 18:16:33 -!- ehird has set topic: PONY F. 18:16:35 oops. 18:16:41 also, heehehehhe Small Fonts is cute. 18:17:25 Asztal: Bold Segoe UI actually looks acceptable pixelated 18:17:38 -!- M0ny has joined. 18:19:03 ehird, you forgot log link 18:19:04 I just turned off font smoothing and it's still being used in places 18:19:08 -!- AnMaster has set topic: PONY F http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 18:19:10 AnMaster: "oops". 18:19:19 Asztal: yah, some shitty things force htat 18:19:21 ehird, and didn't try to fix it? 18:19:25 mostly ms crap 18:19:29 AnMaster: i am a lazy man. 18:19:35 -!- AnMaster has set topic: PONY FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 18:19:51 like notepad's main menu, and window titles (it's aero glass) 18:20:10 I just turned off font smoothing and it's still being used in places <-- iirc it only takes effect for apps started after the setting was changed 18:20:14 though that may depend on OS 18:20:23 it certainly is like that under X 18:20:38 plop 18:20:38 No. 18:20:49 It is being forced for the C* font family by Microsoft programs. 18:21:00 Because they mostly look like excrement without ClearType. 18:21:19 Asztal: what's that registry hack you were speaking of? 18:21:21 ehird, cleartype *looks* like excrement. More so on lower resolutuon monitors 18:21:34 ClearType is a very bad implementation of subpixel smoothing. 18:21:36 err 18:21:40 Really, all are unbearable apart from OS X's, which looks nice. 18:21:42 s/resolution/dpi/ 18:21:46 But only in the context of OS X's UI. 18:21:55 ehird: http://blog.wolffmyren.com/2008/09/15/consolas-as-cmdexe-windows-console-font/ 18:21:57 (This explains how Safari on Windows can look like such dung.) 18:22:07 ehird, you think the linux subpixel stuff sucks too? 18:22:11 because that could explain it 18:22:16 Freetype, yeah. 18:22:37 ehird, right. so why was you so surprised when I didn't like it on my laptop then? 18:22:53 Because at that high DPI, I really didn't think it would matter 18:22:58 err 18:23:02 s/was/were/ 18:23:18 OS X rendering strongly resembles print; a lot of people dislike it for that reason when viewing it in their OS of choice but I've never heard of anyone walking up to a Mac and going "Eww, the fonts are all *smudgy!*". 18:23:59 I wonder if powershell is any good 18:24:02 Is powershell any good, Windows users? 18:24:32 ehird, a vector display. Wouldn't need anti-alias at all 18:24:34 :) 18:24:43 it's a bit enterprisey, and slow to start up, but it's better than cmd 18:25:46 how's it enterprisey? 18:25:55 * AnMaster wonders what key did THAT 18:26:19 aha 18:27:30 Hey, I could just install the Lisp Machine monospaced font. :-) 18:27:44 ehird: ls, for example, returns a list of objects, not text, and you manipulate it by inspecting the properties of the objects. It's nice in some ways, but it can get clunky too. 18:27:58 http://www.eurogaran.com/downloads/lispmfont/screenshot.jpg 18:28:09 Is it just me, or is this the nicest bitmap monospace font ever? 18:28:13 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:28:20 ehird, looks nice, but what is up with the 7? 18:28:27 the 7 looks really ugly 18:28:32 It's a european 7. 18:28:36 ehird, eh? 18:28:36 Rendered quite uglily. 18:28:43 AnMaster: Dash through the middle. 18:28:43 european 7? 18:28:53 ehird, well yes, I always write my 7-s like that 18:29:05 7s? 7:s? 18:29:08 Only so many pixels to go around. Anyway, how many 7s do you have in your code? 18:29:17 * ehird installs 7zip 18:29:35 ehird, I do math homework in emacs? ;P 18:29:55 because I'm too lazy to use a pen. A lot more effort 18:30:02 Lucida Typewriter looks nice 18:30:22 ehird, where can one get that lispmfont in a format that a modern system knows 18:30:32 .fon is not unmodern. 18:30:48 ehird, oh same directory 18:30:50 right 18:31:42 In fact I just installed it by dragging-and-dropping the .fon to my Fonts folder. 18:33:06 Okay, found a flaw: the . is not monospaced and is unusally small. 18:33:19 ehird, seems the .pcf works 18:33:21 the .fon didn't 18:35:02 If only I had the money for http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm 18:35:15 The 12pt Mac aliased is pretty much unsurpassable there for ease-of-reading. 18:35:27 But, ehh, 90 euros man 18:35:52 actually no 18:35:58 it complains it's an archive 18:36:00 which it isn't 18:37:40 I wonder if there is a Windows (un)archiver that exposes things as compressed folders As They Should Be. 18:37:48 I like the integrated .zip support for that, but... it's just .zip. 18:38:54 I'm going to be adventurous and try and sleep this computer now for a second. 18:49:42 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:51:21 -!- ehird has joined. 18:55:24 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:57:19 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:57:41 -!- zzo38 has set topic: MAHJONG FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 19:00:01 zzo38, why that? 19:00:24 Why what? Did you mean the TOPIC setting? 19:01:06 zzo38, what else? 19:01:14 O. OK 19:01:34 so why mahjong 19:01:39 If you don't like it you can change it back, but I think it was changed to a few things it can change a few ways 19:01:52 well I didn't say that. 19:01:53 Because yesterday I purchased Akagi DS game 19:02:04 I just wondered what made you decide on mahjong 19:02:06 ah 19:02:22 That's why, it is because I purchased Akagi DS game yesterday. 19:02:35 Maybe there is a esolangs idea for something having to do with mahjong game, too 19:02:41 and this "akagi ds" is some sort of mahjong? 19:02:46 mahjong game* 19:03:15 * AnMaster usually plays kmahjong when he plays mahjong (which isn't very often) 19:03:23 Akagi DS is a mahjong game for DS. It has a few unique features (such as ZawaZawa power, Washizu mahjong, story mode, and some others), but is generally inferior. 19:03:41 DS being some old portable nintendo thingy iirc? 19:03:51 or was gameboy the old thing and ds the modern one? 19:04:14 Kmahjong isn't a mahjong game as far as I can tell. 19:04:27 DS is the new Nintendo handheld system (except DSi is even more newer) 19:04:27 hm 19:04:34 Kmahjong <-- how is it not? 19:04:52 it is the KDE one 19:04:54 It is just one type of solitaire game that can be played with mahjong tiles. 19:05:08 zzo38, well maybe. There are some other ones too 19:05:09 iirc 19:05:19 kshisen 19:05:23 I prefer that one 19:05:24 Mahjong is played with 4 people 19:05:54 Yes, Kshisen is another different solitaire mahjong game. 19:06:07 zzo38, all games called "mahjong" that I have seen have been solitaire ones... 19:06:35 They call them "mahjong" because they use the mahjong tiles. But real mahjong game isn't like that. 19:07:15 anyway I usually prefer games with a story. This means stuff like single player RPGs or adventure games. I'm a big fan of some of the zelda games for example 19:07:42 Akagi DS game has a story 19:07:43 zelda a link to the past, and zelda ocarina of time would be my two top favourite ones 19:07:57 But you can play free mode also. 19:08:16 zzo38, still quite far from the "story" in something like a RPG I assume? 19:09:54 It is more like a story than other mahjong games have, but not quite like you would see in a RPG 19:10:22 I now have the full collection of Akagi manga book 1-22 19:10:51 I have three mahjong games on my computer, Zootto Mahjong, Nantonaku Mahjong, 4-Winds Mahjong. 19:10:59 But I will write my own, too. Called XUL-Mahjong 19:11:08 argh 19:14:15 Akagi DS game and Akagi manga book are all in Japanese, though. But I like it, especially with Washizu tiles. 19:14:51 Zootto Mahjong and Nantonaku Mahjong are also both in Japanese. 19:15:40 -!- Hiato has joined. 19:20:36 Just now I searched for a mahjong game on Japanese SourceForge, I did find one, written in Ruby. Possibly I could try to figure it out to add some feature, such as Washizu tiles. 19:26:00 http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0C/yakuman.png http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0C/mahjong1.png 19:26:06 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:43:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:15:06 -!- Slereah_ has quit. 20:15:10 http://bugs.python.org/issue1453http://bugs.python.org/issue1453 <-- hehe 20:15:15 oerjan, hiwc 20:15:20 hi hi 20:15:51 * oerjan somehow found Lightning Made of Owls amusing today 20:20:36 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 20:22:17 -!- Slereah has joined. 20:24:41 btw my shift key is starting to get a slight jwz-look. Nothing as bad yet though 20:45:47 -!- impomatic has left (?). 21:02:03 -!- Hiato has quit ("underflow"). 21:17:57 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:18:18 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 21:27:36 -!- ehird has joined. 21:28:59 -!- augur has joined. 21:29:09 bitches! 21:30:44 omg. 21:34:07 ive been away 21:34:08 im sorry 21:34:15 ive moved to maryland and i dont have internet in my place yet 21:34:21 but that doesnt mean i dont love you! T_t 21:35:15 now, im off to the library 21:35:17 goodbye! 21:35:18 <3 21:42:09 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 21:45:02 i don't love you, augur. 22:10:52 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:17:22 -!- M0ny has quit. 22:20:21 AnMaster: you were talking about eink response times? 22:20:22 http://jwz.livejournal.com/1080224.html 22:20:24 dismal! 22:20:46 ehird, a white box? 22:20:51 what sort of plugin is needed 22:20:55 Flash. 22:21:10 youtube? 22:21:13 No, flickr. 22:21:17 damn 22:21:25 ehird, no luck then 22:21:30 Your loss. 22:21:36 -!- oerjan has quit ("Later"). 22:21:59 (I secretly wish that one day, the web will be almost entirely Flash-based, and you will be forced to resort to using: gopher; no electricity; no running water; no surrounding society. Am I a bad person?) 22:25:28 ehird, yes 22:25:42 -!- ehird has quit. 22:25:49 ehird, http://bugs.python.org/issue1453http://bugs.python.org/issue1453 <-- your opinion? That issue exists in 3.1 too btw 22:25:53 damn 22:38:45 -!- augur has joined. 22:41:56 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 22:57:53 night 23:08:50 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 23:12:17 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:22:09 -!- coppro has joined. 23:40:48 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:41:35 -!- coppro has joined. 23:55:27 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).