< 1252022684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252023349 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252023548 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252023551 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252023565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fop dop mop < 1252023628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hop top lop < 1252023632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I stop myself from asking stupid questions? < 1252023635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1252023655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn on your deduction circuits < 1252023657 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sew your mouth shut. < 1252023664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also turn off any lingering ADHD transistors that may be firing < 1252023697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't. you just rise to a higher level where the questions are so clever other people don't realize they are stupid. < 1252023708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing me I'm going to install this and the game won't be compatibl < 1252023709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1252023714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I can trivially put XP on instead < 1252023722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most of the work won't have been wasted if that's the cas < 1252023723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1252023734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the danger here is not to end up in time cube land, it's nearly the same direction < 1252023750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-not < 1252023753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(right now i'm running a windows program with wine remastering a windows 7 RC x64 install CD using my already-burned copy that needs a 64-bit EFI, which I don't have) < 1252023800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's just got to be a yo dawg in there somewhere < 1252023808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like an oh gawd < 1252024209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My homework: http://codepad.org/F8rBjCL3 < 1252024313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Sgeo's world, we are all intimately interested in the trivial C++ he was told to write < 1252024323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah yeah pot kettle :)) < 1252024403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: This image contains filenames and/or directory names that are < 1252024404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NOT COMPATIBLE with Windows NT 3.51. If compatibility with < 1252024404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Windows NT 3.51 is required, use the -nt switch rather than < 1252024404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the -n switch. < 1252024407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes!!!111 < 1252024769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brunz
< 1252025415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define brun < 1252025416 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Bruno, Brun, or Braun (died 2 February 880) was the Duke of Saxony from 866 to his death. He was the elder son of Liudolf, progenitor of the ... \ [23]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brun_(Saxony) \ * Bruun is a family name of Nordic origin. The meaning is brown (brun in Danish, Swedish and Norwegian). ... < 1252025421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn < 1252025421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1252025438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns a lot
< 1252025448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Yawnsalot < 1252025457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1252025461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIR YAWNSABUTT < 1252025462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahdahsdskgdk;jlfl; < 1252025463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' q < 1252025477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that settles it, you are overly tired < 1252025553 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252025562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1252025564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1252025569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired, yes, but not overly < 1252025574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1252025578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have no opinion either way < 1252025588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that joke? don't be ridiculous. < 1252025588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to preempt any questions :P < 1252025621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preempted before prompted < 1252025624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is to be noted that most of the time, only my externalities are ever tired; internally I'm still comprehending properly but, you know, my fingers just type "yawnsabutt". < 1252025637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that said, buttman, he has a cape and a butt,. < 1252025690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while you are dreaming, it's all making sense too < 1252025701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessir < 1252025721 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GameBoy codes, is it a good idea to make the background pattern tile $9C instead of tile $00, that's what I use for the clear-screen subroutine, it uses $9C (can you figure out why without looking at the code?) < 1252025739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have already answered < 1252025750 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not asking you specifically. < 1252025753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1252025757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this amuses me: http://blog.wolfram.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/manipulate2.swf < 1252025843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs windows 7 rc... again
< 1252025865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252025876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing some GameBoy programs, maybe I can also make a brainfuck interpreter on GameBoy (I could make it compiled into Gameboy codes, make each brainfuck command []+-<>,. compiled into a RST command) < 1252025905 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other esolangs would be a bit harder though, but some of them can probably be done < 1252026192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ can become 34 - can become 35 < can become 2B > can become 23 . can become C7 , can become E7 < 1252026206 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252026281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that a mediocre victory beats no victory, puts XP cd in
< 1252026301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not a pyrrhic one < 1252026420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1252026731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does x86 not have $00 is NOP but GameBoy does? < 1252026822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you actually _want_ $00 to be NOP? it would mean if you accidentally jumped into zero-initialized memory you would just zip past it, perhaps into some real code... < 1252026849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better to make it an exception of some kind... < 1252026880 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252026898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i know what $00 actually does on x86 or anywhere else) < 1252027181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (KH)(A)(:*)(:*)::**^^(N!)**S < 1252027181 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! < 1252027372 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86 has 00 00 be one of: ADD [BX+SI],AL (16 bit addressing), or ADD [EAX], AL (32 bit addressing). X64 64-bit mode has it ADD [RAX], AL < 1252027481 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly it is is affected by address size but not bitness (since it happens to be byte-sized operation involving memory access). < 1252027514 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, 00 00 00 00 in MIPS is a NOP. < 1252027898 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86 primary NOP is $90, which actually is instruction to swap value of AX/EAX with AX/EAX. < 1252028053 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I want $00 to be NOP is having to do with a code I wrote for copying a string to the display, the code is simplified when $00 is NOP < 1252028072 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, see if you can figure out why I want $9C to be the background. (Think of it) < 1252028117 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reply anyways, I will read the logs later" < 1252031145 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-107-092.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252031389 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252031411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows installed, now I just have to driver it up < 1252031415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then install 5 billion updates < 1252031490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya! < 1252031496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1252031509 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-140-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252031896 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252032185 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252032451 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252032821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspect the flu is brewing within him
< 1252032835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice having known you all < 1252032840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suspects < 1252032862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oink oink oink < 1252032866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restart time < 1252032881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252032911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, living this once was more than enough... < 1252033245 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252033774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252035251 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1252036261 0 :ehird!i=5b6948c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-wogjwcprcgzvhtab JOIN :#esoteric < 1252036276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi@ < 1252036277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1252036278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from windows < 1252036285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves
< 1252036286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's...surprisingly snappy < 1252036296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boot camp drivers are really good! < 1252036327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if virus scanners are even worth bothering with, if you use a decent browser and don't do stupid stuff...
< 1252036337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that is probably being too optimistic about security flaws in windows < 1252036366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, this is actually quite pleasant. chrome is nice < 1252036411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I swear this is snappier than Safari/OS X, which makes me sad. < 1252036459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is dangerously close to liking windows here...
< 1252036577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's great so long as you don't try to use it for anything < 1252036580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dual-boot myself < 1252036595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: true; I know Windows is always snappy to start with < 1252036604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real issue is that Windows bogs down far faster than other OSes < 1252036606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the first time it's actually flown < 1252036763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should scientifically investigate how windows bogs down and write a daemon that stops whatever it is. :P < 1252036784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Windows always works the same for games, I find, so that's alright. < 1252036816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I *still* can't figure out how anyone could like the fisher price Luna interface over classic. < 1252036829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, cleartype is still unreadable and ugly. < 1252036850 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: mostly it's daemons I think < 1252036862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1252036869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "Luna" interface < 1252036871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1252036881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default blue interface < 1252036894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the olive isn't even an interface as opposed to a pukefest < 1252036899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that < 1252036900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silver is half-passable < 1252036909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm not a big fan of classic < 1252036909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar enough to classic that you might as well save the system resources < 1252036918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1252036922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted pretty, I'd reboot into OS X < 1252036926 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1252036935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although windows 7 looks alright < 1252036949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oxygen hits a nice balance... functional, but not blocky < 1252036957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and quick launch + the taskbar is still superior to the dock. < 1252036972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the Windows 7 somethingdockbarthing is even more superior.) < 1252036982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has yet to try 7
< 1252037015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tried it in a VM (and so lacked a bunch of good features that require a halfway decent GPU) and it was good. < 1252037027 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if the Linux developers could get themselves organized enough for something like the somethingdockbarthing < 1252037032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was better than every other Windows before it, which is a feat. < 1252037041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Misnomer - "the linux developers" < 1252037051 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: exactly < 1252037057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone builds it for, say, Gnome, then you could propose for Gnome to use it by default. < 1252037067 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the application writers < 1252037074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs application support < 1252037076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest I'd use Windows 7 fulltime if I didn't know programming for it would be a bitch < 1252037091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: try ubuntu sometime, y'know? Linux doesn't suck any more < 1252037098 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's what I'm doing < 1252037102 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, +k < 1252037103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right then < 1252037112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: There's your problem :P < 1252037114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1252037124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders whether Windows Live Messenger is hideously bloated enough to explode on his system.
< 1252037138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Pidgin is le crappy on Windows, and Miranda IM is fiddly to set up. < 1252037149 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatzilla works pretty well < 1252037157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatzilla does not talk to MSN, and bitlbee sucks. < 1252037164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean MSN < 1252037170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For IRC I'll probably use mIRC or something. < 1252037179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders at the mention of mIRC
< 1252037198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, don't knock mIRC. The scripting ... thing is an abomination, but it's a sturdy little... thing. < 1252037199 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... what's with your version string? < 1252037211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's freenode's fucked up webchat thing < 1252037220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use mibbit, but they blocked it because FREENODE IS RUN BY RETARDED MONKIES. < 1252037220 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CZ has JavaScript; though I've never actually tried to use it < 1252037247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, Chrome is unreasonably responsive < 1252037256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you are on Mozilla, AppleWebKit, "KHTML, like Gecko", Chrome, and Safari < 1252037257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I've just upgraded my internet connection < 1252037268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uh, that's what User-Agents are like < 1252037275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all browsers do that < 1252037285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not all at once < 1252037291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: nope < 1252037299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE is also Mozilla "compatible", for instance < 1252037303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because of version sniffing < 1252037317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mozilla" is sniffed for "not IE", so it goes in < 1252037323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AppleWebKit is, well, WebKit < 1252037336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KHTML, like Gecko" is KHTML and getting Gecko-specific stuff since it'll probably work < 1252037339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome is because I'm using chrome < 1252037346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Safari is because Chrome uses WebKit, like Safari < 1252037350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus the sniffers are satiated < 1252037351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1252037398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, my disk is F:! < 1252037419 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1252037420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the EFI partition thing is C:, some empty space would be D: but isn't because it's empty, < 1252037423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is E: < 1252037425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is F: < 1252037430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's empty space that would be G: < 1252037461 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy with Windows not having access to the ext partition
< 1252037471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it hasn't mounted OS X < 1252037476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just assigned it a drive letter in the installr < 1252037476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installer < 1252037481 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1252037484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it would figure out how to talk to that partition later :-P < 1252037488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an IFS module for it? < 1252037497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Boot Camp 3 with Snow Leopard has that or something < 1252037520 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, it may not be a great idea - Windows can't do Unix permissions and itself pretty insecure < 1252037525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc looks... worrying bloated < 1252037536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*worryingly < 1252037759 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252037764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1252037767 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1252037827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1252037838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1252037862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pon < 1252037866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1252037870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, okay < 1252037872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice linespacing < 1252037875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now can I change this font < 1252037877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate terminal :P < 1252037881 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're dropping the last character off every sentenc < 1252037900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is a known proble < 1252037910 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1252037914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: am I? < 1252037934 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think s < 1252037941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked the logs. < 1252037943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not < 1252037950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weir < 1252037952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled agai < 1252037955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm this is fixedsys, not terminal < 1252037957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: stoppit. < 1252037963 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1252037990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, a reason to hate windows: no, Arial is not an acceptable font to ship in place of something like Helvetica < 1252037993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1252038000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would have got away with it if not for those meddling log < 1252038086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size 9 courier new seems acceptable when not antialiased < 1252038102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads windows live messenger against his better judgement
< 1252038120 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't! < 1252038124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you really need all that stuff while on Windows? < 1252038125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: why not? < 1252038133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it on the insistance of a friend. It didn't work < 1252038134 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like you are planning extended trips, are you? < 1252038141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: considering I'm booted into it, it'd be nice to use it < 1252038146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I am the epitome of laziness < 1252038168 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is more lazy than ehird!
< 1252038169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, clicking things on windows goes faster. my lazy organ has a vested interest in keeping me here. < 1252038173 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which... shit... homework] < 1252038185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: weeeeeeeeeell? < 1252038191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is this all an attempt to get some game working? < 1252038192 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because windows live messenger is evil :( < 1252038203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: the protocol or the client? < 1252038214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that is the original intent of this escapade, yes. < 1252038220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1252038224 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the client is what I was referring to < 1252038244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's it evil? i mean it sucks yeah < 1252038246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know _that_ < 1252038253 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always "install a virus scanner! look at my advertisements! look at msn today! get a webcam!" :( < 1252038260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the ads right, point taken < 1252038261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use instead, anyhoo < 1252038266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of the loop with windows... thingies < 1252038275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ended up renaming the executable, since its starting up was causing me pain and misery < 1252038277 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm too lazy not to use it :D < 1252038279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I was in this circle miranda IM was the thing, and FUCK is that client a FUCKING BITCH to install < 1252038283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not install < 1252038284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1252038287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get it halfway usable < 1252038288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1252038292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hated Miranda IM < 1252038292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires at least an hour of effort < 1252038299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you had it working, coo, coo, great < 1252038308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just spend 94837593457 hours on an underfeatured client < 1252038311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a program called apatch that will remove the advertisements from it, and possibly the virus scanner requirement < 1252038311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BET YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF < 1252038319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers msn plus! < 1252038331 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a virus scanner, you're quite limited in file transfers :/ < 1252038332 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember using some tool that did stuff with AIM < 1252038335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, grr, mIRC's inconsistent copying behaviour < 1252038357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: holy crap chrome is fast < 1252038357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing something that was a bunch of insults based on a s/n < 1252038364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it opens up as soon as i leave go of the icon < 1252038367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending it to myself, then my friend's sister IMed me < 1252038371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every page so far has loaded as soon as i release my click < 1252038372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayum < 1252038382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 is the number of times I raped your sister" was sent to her, iirc < 1252038389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: xD < 1252038419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, chatzilla :( < 1252038427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, use Silverex < 1252038444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk is conspicuously non-native. also xchat kind of sucks. < 1252038453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1252038457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gtk-wimp it'd be more native i guess < 1252038478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like supporting the xchat team's money-grabbing, evil windows binary payment scheme though, by using their product < 1252038492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, GTK-Wimp looks hot < 1252038521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what gimp on windows uses and stuff. < 1252038526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like, uhh, windows. < 1252038538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: does live messenger uninstall without sacrificing babies? < 1252038548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so my lazy organ is directing me to the install button. < 1252038574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, deleting msnmsgr.exe or renaming it is enough to prevent the evil from starting up < 1252038589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it in add/remove? < 1252038590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, that's typically true of viruses too, if you find all the places they're hidden < 1252038595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure, haven't checked < 1252038600 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uninstalls fine < 1252038602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome complaint: checkboxes and the arrows on scrollbars don't show up when using Classic. < 1252038609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former being far more major than the latter. < 1252038645 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't serious with the "dont!" thing really, it's almost usable these days < 1252038648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1252038654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use a lot of system resources? < 1252038659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm cherishing this snappiness < 1252038667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an aside, it sure was nice to have bootcamp install every driver for me < 1252038685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just clicked next and sat there on my ass for five minutes while it reeled off a list of drivers it was installing, then ping! < 1252038726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently i'm on service pack 2 < 1252038732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be trying to upgrade me to 3... < 1252038753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's set to download updates at 3am < 1252038762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes that to download em for me and let me choose when to install
< 1252038778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: "installing microsoft choice guard" < 1252038791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not sound like a thing that i want on my disk. < 1252038799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Microsoft, I do not want to use bing or MSN < 1252038800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1252038812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD < 1252038816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT FORCES CLEARTYPE < 1252038818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYEEEEEEEES :P < 1252038834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it doesn't look to bad with segoe ui, still. < 1252038847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the dancing messenger people icon < 1252038850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that in, like, msn 5 < 1252038860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember using msn 5! < 1252038863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it SUCKED. < 1252038887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, okay < 1252038888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those adverts < 1252038889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this shit < 1252038890 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft choice guard sounds about as honest as trusted computing < 1252038892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstalling now < 1252038898 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://apatch.org/ < 1252038904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the window chrome looks like vista < 1252038906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fuck that shit. < 1252038931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OBLITERATE IT ALL! ALL OF IT! ALL!" < 1252038960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.marcocantu.com/blog/microsoft_choice_guard.html < 1252038980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil. < 1252039001 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Real Player? < 1252039004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft will truly never get it, will they < 1252039047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, first order of the day: replace mIRC < 1252039056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, apparently, it could end up fighting malware, or end up fighting anti-viruses? < 1252039064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maybe* silverex. < 1252039099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hydrairc suck or not? it looks like it sucks but you can never tell with windows. < 1252039128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait < 1252039132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limechat is available for windows < 1252039160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently only in japanese >_< < 1252039175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs silverex
< 1252039186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Chat 2 no longer uses GTK+ Runtime Environment—GTK+ libraries are included in installer. You may use system's GTK+ runtime, though—deselect GTK+ durint X-Chat install. < 1252039190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs a system-wide gtk
< 1252039194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, fuck such things. < 1252039209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also god damn, why hasn't anyone told me how amazing chrome is? < 1252039319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1252039324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to install separate gtk < 1252039377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uninstalls mirc
< 1252039380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252039624 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252039629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unsurprising < 1252039636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MS-Windows theme doesn't actually use native widgets. < 1252039644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, menus don't fade in. < 1252039650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is arguably an improvement :P < 1252039757 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they supposed to < 1252039764 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be something I disable :) < 1252039770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I disabled that now :P < 1252039785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not menu shadows though. < 1252039789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like menu shadows. < 1252039857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, this'll do. < 1252039889 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slide open combo boxes" is the worst one though. < 1252039889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1252039895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you disable this thingy < 1252039896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1252039897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1252039902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where minimising goes to the tray < 1252039903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in xchat < 1252040000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap, the volume buttons work and display a fascicile of the volume control HUD thing on os x :) < 1252040004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uglie rtho < 1252040006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uglier tho < 1252040041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, current task: get myself an IM client < 1252040106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1252040142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess pidgin might be acceptable on windows these days... < 1252040150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1252040228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: is it true that windows really does not have global spellchecking? < 1252040254 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1252040264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm hating it a bit now < 1252040276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have to quit this because it's using gtk while gtk is installing because of pidgin SHOCK HORROR -> < 1252040279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1252040282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-F doesn't work in xchat < 1252040283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1252040289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1252040438 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252040467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of satisfied with this, I guses < 1252040468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess < 1252040526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally - < 1252040532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rearrange items on your hard disk to make programs run faster" < 1252040542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to fix up a website that I strongly disagree with < 1252040543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to say "Defragment disk" ever, or best way to say "defragment disk" ever? < 1252040550 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use Java for pretty buttons! < 1252040550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: define fix up, define this website < 1252040566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop them using Java to display fancy buttons < 1252040568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theprophecies.com < 1252040576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAGE < 1252040578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Chat can't < 1252040579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get rid of that useless page with Next-> < 1252040580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open links < 1252040581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one click < 1252040594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you perhaps expecting better of kooks? < 1252040709 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm just so opposed to the horror, I feel compelled to do something < 1252040722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: do you fathom at all why clicking the "updates! installlllll meeeeeeeeeee" icon makes it disappear then bother me soon after with no change? < 1252040722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be easy to fix it up, just a little, and email the pages to the webmaster < 1252040735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude, these people are clinically delusional and insane < 1252040739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ignore them < 1252040814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this considered attempting to convert me? Because she said she wouldn't < 1252040815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/zkp5rajablwpfxdwm8cqg < 1252040818 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no idea < 1252040864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude, stop talking to these people < 1252040883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as pointless as trying to reason with a mental inpatient except they're socially acceptable, thus bolstering their delusions < 1252040892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to try to debate her < 1252040893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find more productive conversation in avenues such as "a brick wall" < 1252040908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is a fundamental gap in the religious mind between people and the unsaved < 1252040923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unlikely you will get anywhere without them first converting you unless they think it'll help convert you < 1252040924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is there a reason why you don't believe in God? (I am not going to judge you or try to convert you I am just very interested in people and what they believe and why they believe it. After all everyone has faith in something)" < 1252040932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: by religious i mean fanatical here < 1252040955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: believe that if you want /shrug < 1252040988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs windows update as a stopgap
< 1252041109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you know, I'm the one who started the conversation. I asked her what she does at church < 1252041139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know, you're fairly obviously trying to twist what I say in the direction you want it to go < 1252041200 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..what direction do I want it to go? I'm not [consiously] trying to twist anything, I think < 1252041284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'she won't try and convert you, she'll respect whatever you say' etc < 1252041288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1252041288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service Pack 3 Setup Error < 1252041288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1252041288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not enough disk space on F:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$ to install Service Pack 3. Setup requires a minimum of 4 additional megabytes of free space or if you also want to archive the files for uninstallation, Setup requires 4 additional megabytes of free space. Free additional space on your hard disk and then try again. < 1252041289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1252041291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1252041293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1252041295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1252041297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the partition is 64gig < 1252041317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w 58g free < 1252041472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Galactic size partitions, now!" < 1252041473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1252041486 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. < 1252041867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs other updates first
< 1252041878 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1252041930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Download size (total): 34.9 MB < 1252041930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimated time at your connection speed: 1 hour 0 minutes" < 1252041939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo broadband? :P < 1252042366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think this conversation is starting to take a turn towards conversion talk. If you're ok with that, I'm ok with it. If you're not ok with it, feel free to ignore the rest of this email, and we'll change the subject." < 1252042376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a good way to begin this email? < 1252042588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what you're doing Sgeo? < 1252042590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking stupid questions. < 1252043145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252044403 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252044992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that disk space thing was an efi-relate issue. < 1252044993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1252044994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed. < 1252045253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252045695 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252045719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo2b2 < 1252047295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1252047477 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he left before i could ask him if she's hot < 1252047676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1252048138 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-cabpylqfajnkblot JOIN :#esoteric < 1252048246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252048350 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252049715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i guess i have to install emacs if i want a decent haskell editor on win32 :) < 1252049793 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /ban ehird < 1252049796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1252049801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally man. < 1252049901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows, emacs... nazism... < 1252049909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rape... < 1252049913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay marriage... < 1252051199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1252051200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1252051327 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252052301 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252052326 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bored waiting for something to compile ...
< 1252052484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider flying. < 1252052568 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what esolangs do you prefer anyways? < 1252052608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the traditionals: underload. unlambda. weirder: uhh, every single oklopol language < 1252052615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, redivider is sorta fun too. < 1252052633 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with Unlambda anyways? < 1252052648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, paintfuck is fun too < 1252052651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: whadyamean < 1252052700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's nothing I hate more than a hypocrite, and I'm currently running emacs on windows so feel free to stab me. < 1252052739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the windows is relatively old... though that wasn't by choice < 1252052748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost enough to make a man believe in synchronicity < 1252052760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asshole synchronicity. < 1252052945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively old? what version? < 1252052961 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, XP can be considered relatively old although I find that ludicrous) < 1252052966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1252052973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 is plain old, but it's SP3 < 1252052975 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so old < 1252052977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just relatively old < 1252052981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SP3 was just this year or so, right? < 1252052985 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even SP2 was 2004 :-P < 1252052988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1252052999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vista was a major reworking and 7 was a further refinement < 1252053004 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I still use much much older software < 1252053006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think old is solely time-based < 1252053019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: well, I installed this to use some old software < 1252053021 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, Vista regressed in a lot of ways < 1252053023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a game, so that doesn't count < 1252053030 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it does < 1252053030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes, but it's still change < 1252053047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: not really, because games don't get updates that make them "work better" < 1252053050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond initial bug fixes < 1252053058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no "made the plot less obtuse at this point" < 1252053068 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the game :-) < 1252053080 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess for commercial stuff, probably not :-> < 1252053090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :P < 1252053116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but damn, you windows guys are lucky for having a polished Chrome < 1252053125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculously polished < 1252053135 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1252053139 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs pretty well < 1252053143 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than Firefox < 1252053156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than firefox ON WINDOWS! < 1252053168 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've improved it a lot for other OSes lately, though < 1252053171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 2-3x faster than safari/osx in realtime, and feels like 5x faster than safari/osx subjectively < 1252053192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safari and Chrome both use Webkit, I think < 1252053201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1252053213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's the javascript engine, the drawing code, ... < 1252053218 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, V8 (or whatever) is also a lot faster (x86, ARM) although Safari always bragged about speed < 1252053236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, browsers don't just render a page and draw it all in the same way < 1252053243 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to be completely honest, I think they used MSVC, which believe it or not may actually be better than GCC in some optimizations (don't ask me why!!!) < 1252053277 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love GCC to death, so it kinda annoys me that MSVC somehow does something better, and I personally refuse to use it (too bloated, annoying, non-compliant, etc.) < 1252053280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it makes a difference at such a high level < 1252053287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But gcc is kind of... crap < 1252053296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's free and supports a lot, that's all it has going for it < 1252053296 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not crap, just weird, hard to maintain, etc. < 1252053310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad code, not very good optimisations, compiler itself is slow, etc. < 1252053313 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, MSVC only targets x86 (and maybe ARM?), so it's probably easier to work on < 1252053317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's gpl3. < 1252053320 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler is very slow < 1252053322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm/clang = <3 < 1252053325 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 4.2.1 and newer are v3 < 1252053335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple are moving to llvm/clang totally for future os x < 1252053344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the bundled apps in snow leopard are compiled with clang, IIRC < 1252053351 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? huh < 1252053358 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew they employed the Clang dude < 1252053363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty major leap from "experimental, might work" to "hey! let's compile the apps in our large-market commercial OS with it" < 1252053369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: LLVM is pretty much an Apple project < 1252053378 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, FreeBSD 8 also imported Clang into their CVS tree < 1252053390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom < 1252053393 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started out separate from them, though, they just pay the guys to keep working on it < 1252053407 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, GCC is damn slow, very annoying, but oh well ... what can ya do? < 1252053429 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWatcom is faster but slightly worse optimizations < 1252053436 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even "old" GCC 3.4.4 is twice as fast < 1252053473 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say some of that is all the constant garbage collection, but I think that's less of an issue < 1252053474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, apple software update, I do not want to install itunes or quicktime for windows because they are SHIT on windows < 1252053480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like that driver update, however < 1252053486 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 MB updates every freakin' time, so annoying ... < 1252053490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not tick both of them at once. It's sleazy. < 1252053494 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1252053512 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't Chrome just pioneer some ultra-good update compression diff thingy? (better than bzdiff or whatever) < 1252053523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for binaries only, iirc < 1252053525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use it for updates < 1252053528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1252053546 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as you know, Chrome auto-updates on the fly all the time < 1252053559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1252053565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool. also creepy. < 1252053567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also cool. < 1252053580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why he can't seem to put Windows into inverse letterbox mode
< 1252053589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4:3 res on 16:10 display; black bars at either side) < 1252053600 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a way :-) < 1252053601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I get the equivalent of the (stretched) variant of the resolutions from OS X) < 1252053611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it probably involves downloading some crappy shareware or something < 1252053621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly easier to buy a 4:3 monitor. < 1252053822 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I meant, "Unlambda probably requires somebody who knows what the hell lambda calculus is, eh?" < 1252053912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean somebody not retarded? < 1252053914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops disregard that < 1252053922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1252053964 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta admit it looks tough < 1252053970 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so did Befunge until recently :-) < 1252053994 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```sk`````sk (not exactly clear cut, IMHO) < 1252053995 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1252054024 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, one guy wrote an Unlambda interpreter in sed (!) < 1252054162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see your drivers are being updated! FOUND NEW HARDWARE. FOUND NEW HARDWARE. FOUND NEW FUCKING HARDWARE, DAMMIT! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! < 1252054174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god I have the sound muted, at least. < 1252054260 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used Vista before? < 1252054275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: not that i know of, but I'm fairly familiar with it despite that. < 1252054282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1252054302 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1252054330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1252054351 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suspect you will hate it < 1252054355 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more annoying < 1252054367 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although you could technically turn off UAC) < 1252054393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I toyed around with Windows 7 RC for a bit (I was going to try Windows 7 RC x64 first, but had issues with the 64-bit part; so I fell back to XP) < 1252054398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UAC is fine, really < 1252054402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was significantly worse in vista < 1252054421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same as e.g. ubuntu's administrative privileges dialog, from what I can tell < 1252054431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, restart time! < 1252054433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252054543 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252054546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear bluetooth thingy < 1252054551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove bluetooth icon means do that < 1252054554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't sit around there. < 1252054612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1252054615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappear :| < 1252054663 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess it's (semi-)moot how well / badly Vista behaves now that Win7 is out ... but then again, there are a lot of pre-existing copies, and not everyone will upgrade (e.g. me) < 1252054685 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't upgrade from XP anyways, gotta clean install < 1252054710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it disappeared < 1252054711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy day < 1252054717 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they nickel-and-dime us to death again with various restrictions depending on version purchased (e.g. no XP mode for home users) < 1252054748 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that 64-bit Windows works fine assuming you have suitable drivers < 1252054831 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista has a different driver model, and some computers don't have XP drivers (I think) < 1252054852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xp mode is kind of useless though < 1252054856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since... everything works with vista < 1252054862 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh ... hell no < 1252054869 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of stuff still doesn't work with Vista < 1252054878 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't as big a fan of Windows as you think
< 1252054889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, the circa 1990 windows-shipped utilities you use every day to calculate 2+2 probably don't. < 1252054892 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a lot of MS software initially didn't work on Vista !! < 1252054919 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS finally rewrote Calc for Win7 (it'd been more-or-less unmodified for a billion years) < 1252054953 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as for Freecell in Vista, finally got overhauled (apparently the same as the Win32s version from before 1995 or so) < 1252054988 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990 probably had a lot of good software although 386s and 486s were the best out at the time < 1252055000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win 3.0 came out in 1990 (heh) < 1252055001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using windows, w-w-w-w-indows 386 < 1252055007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all my applications are running at once < 1252055032 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using Win NT 5.1 < 1252055045 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win NT 3.1 was from 1993 or so (I think) < 1252055051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have seen that video right?) < 1252055052 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0 was from 1996 < 1252055057 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1252055066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239 < 1252055073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is an official microsoft promotional video < 1252055107 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the MS-DOS 5 video? :-) < 1252055129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. also ballmer yelling to advertise windows < 1252055132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, this takes the cake < 1252055162 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way, MS-DOS 5 was extremely cheesy < 1252055174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: this isn't just _cheesy_, no no < 1252055175 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a freakin' (white) rap video 8) < 1252055182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this *warps reality* < 1252055209 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfpYrem94q0 < 1252055223 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 mins?? wow, long... < 1252055227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth it < 1252055242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a clipped version of the last, crack-headed 7 minutes, but that doesn't let you lure you in with some semblance of sanity < 1252055345 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1252055355 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cassettes? omg ... :-)) < 1252055431 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows/386 must be 2.1/386 (I guess??) < 1252055444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1252055450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it overlaps windows < 1252055452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see < 1252055483 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win 3.0 (1990) could still run on an 8088 / CGA < 1252055492 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1 required a 286, and 3.11 (WfW) required a 386 < 1252055521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used 3.11, but it wasn't for Workgroups. < 1252055614 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was obviously before MS stopped working on OS/2 < 1252055630 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm guessing this is Win2.1 < 1252055641 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blind guess, never used that version) < 1252055705 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I guess this is the lame part (she's singing) < 1252055711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it's lame! < 1252055718 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think the MS-DOS 5 one is much lamer < 1252055722 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch it! :-) < 1252055740 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell did it zoom to her face??? < 1252055750 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like he's watching a bad porno)
< 1252055763 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, she changed clothes < 1252055772 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very 80s < 1252055801 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy synth < 1252055860 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they dressed like barber shop quartets?? < 1252055927 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumbs up < 1252055935 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's what she did) < 1252055963 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry, the MS-DOS 5 one is much lamer/funnier < 1252056005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy :P < 1252056085 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you've seen it AND disagree? < 1252056093 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause if you haven't seen it ... < 1252056099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen it < 1252056112 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gimme five (gimme five)" < 1252056129 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :him rapping with the backup singers < 1252056147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1252056223 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, you don't have to watch it again just on my account, but it was definitely funny < 1252056313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculous how choppy windows get if you move them < 1252056323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon, microsoft, it's like 2001 when you did this shit < 1252056331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have buffering! < 1252056506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a lot about using putty as a cygwin shell, but not as a gnuwin32/whatever shell...
< 1252056545 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I've only ever used PuTTy for telnet (Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup) < 1252056568 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like I said, WinNT is much older than 2001, so lots of it are left over from before, so it's not always so hugely modern < 1252056573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i anticipate myself itchin' for some command line action, and cmd.exe, well, sucks. < 1252056589 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the lite/free version of 4NT (I forget its name) < 1252056605 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or obviously install Cygwin (Bash) < 1252056618 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin supports other shells too < 1252056619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a unix kind of guy! < 1252056621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1252056624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin's ports are non-native < 1252056629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it isn't so much the shell < 1252056630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the terminal < 1252056633 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're native, just slow due to API emulation < 1252056640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i.e., not native < 1252056642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1252056652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a definite disrepancy between cygwin world and windows worl < 1252056652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1252056658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin has X11-based terminals, anyway, but eh < 1252056660 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then try MSYS < 1252056673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msys's terminal is just cmd.exe, iirc < 1252056688 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, never tried it, but they claim it can run "configure", which is no small feat < 1252056701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you fail to differentiate "terminal" and "shell" < 1252056710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no it's not; configure has 50000000 lines of crap to deal with rubbish shells < 1252056786 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, they avoid a lot of specific stuff if they can < 1252056832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, it could be a lot more DOS friendly, and I'm not even sure it would work as is (well, it definitely won't, but that's due to a pressing bug, there are probably loads of other issues too for "pure" DOS) < 1252056852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs mingw/msys as a first stage
< 1252056867 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still say Cygwin would be good enough for your needs, esp. if you're such a *nix nerd < 1252056871 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that slow, believe me < 1252056874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used cygwin before < 1252056881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not dismissing it based on anecdote < 1252056890 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just to tie in with the configure subject, they claim Autoconf 2.64 is 30% faster on Cygwin now < 1252056896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the problem with unxutils? < 1252056898 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, you're smart, I see that :-) < 1252056904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gnu utils, running natively on windows, compiled with mingw < 1252056913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why i'd choose cygwin over that < 1252056921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the larger selection of packages, which doesn't matter when I just want a shell and some tools < 1252056931 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause Cygwin probably runs better, more fully-featured < 1252056940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unxutils are the full things < 1252056947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the same gnu tools < 1252056955 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, a Cygwin compile of Bash is probably loads less buggy than a MinGW one < 1252056973 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU is very POSIX-oriented, and Cygwin is POSIX while MinGW isn't at all < 1252056979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ < 1252056982 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP is more POSIX than MinGW < 1252056984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking about some random no-name project < 1252056985 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I've seen it before < 1252056987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is well known < 1252056994 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need lots of hacks without POSIX < 1252057001 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots! < 1252057011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's put it this way: if i ever need to type /cygdrive, it's disqualified :P < 1252057033 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 'cygpath' is the way around that < 1252057036 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure) < 1252057058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here's a good reason against unxutils: < 1252057060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last change on 30-04-04 by Karl M. Syring (bug reports are welcome)" < 1252057073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm sure it's not that old < 1252057081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1252057082 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know, it might be < 1252057084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last updated march 2007 < 1252057085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1252057090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't too bad < 1252057097 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash 3.0 was from 2004, but 3.2.48 (or whatever) was this year (before 4.0, of course) < 1252057128 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :March 2007 could mean anything, probably a lot still going on behind the scenes < 1252057134 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no "official" release < 1252057140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html ;; gee, a separate project with the same name < 1252057143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not confusing at all < 1252057143 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know of several projects older than that, heh, but still updated) < 1252057149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I didn't mean it like that < 1252057154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, it's not that old [the latest update] < 1252057161 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's old enough to worry, though < 1252057173 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless you encounter a bug or lack of feature, it's not an issue < 1252057193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first things first, mingw < 1252057197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can depend on mingw :P < 1252057207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, barely < 1252057209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do I want to install mingw and whatever it is in the same tree or not... < 1252057212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1252057214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1252057216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less PATH cruft < 1252057224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F:\gnu, I guess < 1252057250 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want a shell, eh? could probably just use Eshell in Emacs < 1252057296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell != termina < 1252057296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1252057309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal = graphical program that executes a shell and lets you type into it, scrollback, etc < 1252057320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell = program that parses commands and executes them < 1252057329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal example: cmd.exe the graphical app, bash, zsh < 1252057332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1252057334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1252057341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal example: cmd.exe the graphical app, xterm, rxvt < 1252057351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell example: cmd.exe the thing that the graphical app runs, bash, zsh < 1252057388 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said you were running Emacs on Windows < 1252057402 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "M-x eshell" before you say it's not a shell / terminal :-) < 1252057422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eshell is both < 1252057425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1252057438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ehh, M-x term is as far as I'll go < 1252057457 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"M-x ansi-term" also exists < 1252057462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it isn't very emacsy < 1252057532 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1252057617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spawning child process: invalid argument"; no emacs term for me < 1252057656 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a Lisp bug (which should be reported so it can be fixed) < 1252057669 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not already in CVS) < 1252057682 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version? (hopefully 23.1) < 1252057882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacsw32, the emacs patched from like june or something < 1252057927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PuTTY terminal emulation is not too shabby; if you want something seriously non-mainstream, I would assume installing some suitable SSH server and using "ssh localhost" with PuTTY would be that. < 1252057946 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I've (barely) heard of Lennard's "EmacsW32" < 1252057951 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but June means it's probably 22.3 < 1252057961 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, or a CVS snapshot) < 1252057968 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23.1 came out on July 29, I think < 1252057983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvs snapshot < 1252057984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1252057986 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the official Win32 compile from GNU's FTP < 1252057991 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23.1 < 1252057997 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final < 1252058010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have to fight to the death now. < 1252058065 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1252058071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://code.google.com/p/puttycyg/ < 1252058085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: project not dead; stable version just old) < 1252058090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if I point it at mingw it'll work. < 1252058126 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last updated Aug. 10, so that's good to know < 1252058150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least win2k had a built-in telnet server for running the cmd.exe over telnet. I don't think it worked very well (if at all) if you happened to have a console application that actually did something more cursor-control-oriented. < 1252058153 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/ < 1252058206 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 MB download (if you want to "upgrade" to 23.1 final) < 1252058265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ti wants cygwin dll < 1252058323 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does? < 1252058326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puttycyg. < 1252058354 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can download it separately, lemme find the link ... < 1252058385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implise that puttycyg uses cygwni spawning functions to worka < 1252058390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus would fail < 1252058400 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cygwin.com/snapshots/ < 1252058423 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm telling you, GNU projects are *heavily* POSIX-oriented < 1252058432 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows does not have decent POSIX support < 1252058442 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no fork, for instance) < 1252058474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm well aware. < 1252058484 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ... < 1252058590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads J
< 1252058625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that whole "Windows Services for Unix" thing, I wonder if it's still alive for modern windowseses. < 1252058629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1252058633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Interix. < 1252058634 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for home useres < 1252058638 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users < 1252058638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks, I gather. < 1252058650 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the POSIX subsystem is long gone too < 1252058653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=896c9688-601b-44f1-81a4-02878ff11778 < 1252058660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY BITCHNIZZLE???11212 < 1252058677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why j wants to install into my home directory. < 1252058681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not seem like sane thinking. < 1252058693 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no Win XP Home or Vista" < 1252058702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1252058715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs it in system, since he is an admin and as such is invincible.
< 1252058719 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Server 2003 R2 < 1252058739 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, not there either) < 1252058743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internets say most of it is included in Vista Enterprise/Ultimate, though. < 1252058748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works. < 1252058766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf my keyboard layout turned british again. rage. < 1252058786 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must've hit some specific key combo < 1252058790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1252058794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I\ve removed all other options < 1252058802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1252058839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (+/%#)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1252058839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5 < 1252058843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in functioning order. < 1252058939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is division? < 1252058969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1252058975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think this sign: < 1252058976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1252058978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1252058978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1252058980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :÷ < 1252058981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on its side < 1252058986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/ is used for folding) < 1252059001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor ASCII-limited fools < 1252059026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you know what happened before they became ASCII-limited fools? < 1252059027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL < 1252059031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do < 1252059031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same people. < 1252059301 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, gotta go < 1252059311 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya when I see ya! :-) < 1252059312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes his quicklaunch bar is succumbing to featuritis
< 1252059314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1252059319 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1252059356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, your "Fisherman's Fiend" idea somehow stuck with me enough to make me buy two packets of Fisherman's Friends. I don't and never did intend to make a Fiend, though. < 1252059377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck :P < 1252059397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is of the ammonium chloride variety, which I guess is fairly nonstandard < 1252059421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the melted metal + acid version. < 1252059425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scorching! < 1252059433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting irc client so that my keyboard layout is right. < 1252059439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1252059451 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252059456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo. < 1252059465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1252059475 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252059488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am dumb < 1252059492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1252059502 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252059509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1252059520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1252059564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1252059575 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252059598 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not working much? :-P < 1252059618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh! < 1252059647 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enable the language bar, if such a thing exists, and make sure it's on the right setting when you start your program < 1252059653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1252059657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one setting < 1252059660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing to do with that < 1252059661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1252059663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem now :P < 1252059664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1252059743 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1252060154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Full installation MMX for DirectX 6.1" < 1252060163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rockin' the high-end configuration here < 1252060203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also 3Dfx Voodoo Glide options :P < 1252060223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I have a Pentium III, and "4G colors". < 1252060233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a SOUND CARD! < 1252060545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the shortcut is "To Play Rayman 2". < 1252060551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of, you know, just "Rayman 2". < 1252060607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Rayman 2 all of a sudden? < 1252060820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Whaddya mean? < 1252060824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what I installed Windows for. < 1252060840 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean why that game in particular < 1252060852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug. I remembered it. < 1252060975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it crashes on changing resoluton just as it always has. < 1252060977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*resolution < 1252064680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064680 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064680 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064681 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064681 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252064727 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252064727 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1252064727 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN 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:Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252071803 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-88.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252078514 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252079873 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1252079926 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252080993 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252080993 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net 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:EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@67-40-212-106.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252080994 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252081196 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.13/2009080315]" < 1252083385 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252084072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. The iBook (G4) HD has decided to go and break. I wonder if it's just the standard 2.5" IDE thing, and not some sort of Appleism. (I've only stuck more memory in this thing, and that at least was very normal stuff.) < 1252084187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your mom < 1252084618 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1252085446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw didn't you say no one uses python 3? < 1252085466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brace yourselves! AnMaster is about to take things absolutely literally. < 1252085500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree mostly with that... But I found one exception.... this "introduction to computer science" course uses python 3.1 ... < 1252085505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit weird IMO < 1252085701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1252085702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what uni. < 1252085706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in sveden < 1252085712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them they're stupid :P < 1252085714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/v/w/ < 1252085764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what to do with the "--with-fpectl" configure flag for python
< 1252085768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use or not? < 1252085778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ubuntu doesn't have 3.1 packaged, only 3.0 < 1252085841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not < 1252085904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know, 3.1 is just 3.0 < 1252085906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bugfixes < 1252085907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1252085916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not worth the bother installing 3.1 < 1252085923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this introduction course is made by a fan of edgecases < 1252085931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i forbid you from teaching ever) < 1252085937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and some new modules iirc < 1252085945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and computed goto < 1252085956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rewritten IO code in C (to make it fast) < 1252085964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed goto also is supposed to make it faster < 1252085975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that hello world will be 10x faster and the new brokencsvmicrosoftwordmbox module will be vital in that course. :P < 1252085980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if MinGW comes with a fork(). < 1252085983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one way to find out!* < 1252085985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lie < 1252085995 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I tell X to turn caps lock on/off without pressing the caps lock key, somehow? < 1252085999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think we got past that already. We got to loops and functions already :P < 1252086002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: telepathy < 1252086013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think X has a telepathy API < 1252086014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Next step, bleeding-edge modules < 1252086022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :| < 1252086037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F:\Documents and Settings\Elliott Hird\My Documents\Code ;; windows paths are uncomfortably long < 1252086064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you mean like with using xset led or so? < 1252086064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%HOMEPATH%\My Documents\Code < 1252086086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that actually toggles caps lock or just the led < 1252086097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that isn't the real name. < 1252086100 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually thanks for reminding me about that, that should be sufficient < 1252086142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh? < 1252086158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do btw? < 1252086163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that xset -led $i for all $i in 1..32 only toggles scroll lock :-P < 1252086188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, MinGW *doesn't* come with a fork() :-) < 1252086189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I only ever used xset led off < 1252086204 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work either; only scroll lock < 1252086218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason that turns off accessibility thingies if they get enabled by mistake < 1252086236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what I did was I applied a vacuum cleaner to my keyboard and now the caps lock LED is inverted respective to the caps lock state < 1252086243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's happened before < 1252086243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes that's weird, I would like to completely disable whatever the hotkey is for stuff like slow keys and such) < 1252086250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And restarting X is a solution < 1252086253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't found the relevant option yet) < 1252086256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm wondering if there's an easier way < 1252086269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fix: avoid using vacuum cleaner while computer is on < 1252086283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an even worse solution than restarting X < 1252086285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also that thing indicates that caps lock is somehow tracked in hardware < 1252086286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Just vaccum it again < 1252086293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've tried that < 1252086295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1252086300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow always manage to make it work like this < 1252086304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not the other way around < 1252086313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaccum a CRT. It won't help, but it'll look cool. < 1252086317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think this means the led is not software controlled at all < 1252086320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, there's been a difference in that the first time around I try to clean the keyboard < 1252086322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hardware controlled < 1252086327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the second time around I try to fix caps lock < 1252086332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? I never tried, what happens? < 1252086333 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I'm doing it wrong < 1252086348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No idea, but it's probably quantum. < 1252086355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, unplug the keyboard and replug it? < 1252086359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't if PS/2 < 1252086369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since PS/2 isn't hot-pluggable < 1252086382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 seems to be hot-pluggable < 1252086385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would assume I'm the only one still using a PS/2 keyboard < 1252086395 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I recall unplugging this keyboard several times < 1252086396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely Windows must have something that can implement fork() in its annals these days. < 1252086402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still working without a reboot after replugging < 1252086405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it isn't. IIRC ais said that it could potentially fry your keyboard < 1252086410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1252086412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not keyboard < 1252086414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mobo < 1252086419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 is de facto hot-pluggable, de jure not. < 1252086425 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I always use PS/2. I use USB-to-PS/2 adapters for USB keyboards. < 1252086451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well maybe my system is DS9K then. Because my system promptly rebooted when I tried it a year ago or so < 1252086460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why? < 1252086484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely Windows must have something that can implement fork() in its annals these days. <-- what about the thing cygwin does? < 1252086495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You mean basically being a kernel in userspace? < 1252086503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of looking for something along the lines of not that. < 1252086511 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Default USB keyboard protocol implementation allows only 6 simultaneously pressed keys (+ 2 or 3 modifiers, I forget) < 1252086522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably 3 modifiers < 1252086524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Learn to type properly and chop off those extra fingers. < 1252086526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well iirc cygwin does it like: run new process but make it wait at a mutex, copy stuff over to new process, resume the new process < 1252086535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which is evil < 1252086537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And slow < 1252086538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both processes are suspended while this is happening iirc < 1252086548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. But it counts as implementing fork() ;P < 1252086552 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eggheadcafe.com/conversation.aspx?messageid=32086952&threadid=32040421 <- what about that? < 1252086555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a GOOD fork() but still < 1252086557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does return EDS9K < 1252086576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: still looks like the same thing < 1252086581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's f rom the cygwin time. < 1252086587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it is the same thing. < 1252086589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I figured out a better solution < 1252086590 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZwCreateProcess would be a way to do it, as that mentions < 1252086600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gawd, now I have to look at msdn < 1252086602 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ZwCreateProcess is part of the undocumented NT API < 1252086603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to VT1 -> turn caps lock off -> go back to VT7 (X) < 1252086612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Or not! < 1252086620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undocumented sonuds fun. < 1252086622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sounds < 1252086659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh interesting < 1252086665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, xset led works for me btw < 1252086668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I need the -Ex variant :-) < 1252086672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't even have a caps lock key :P < 1252086678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an additional ctrl < 1252086725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, xset led is actually pretty weird < 1252086728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xset led on -> all leds on < 1252086734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xset led off -> scroll lock off, others remain on < 1252086762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wth < 1252086769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As much as I loathe to give any credo to Xah Lee, see http://xahlee.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html < 1252086769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1252086786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a word that isn't creedo < 1252086803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, xset led on here only turns on scroll lock. It used to turn on caps lock, but that doesn't seem to happen any more < 1252086810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for numlock, it used to affect that too < 1252086813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, inverse situation? :-P < 1252086833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, numlock not affected by off either < 1252086843 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, weird < 1252086844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on < 1252086875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume he have small hands < 1252086892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop making that stupid grammatical error; you should know by now... < 1252086904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because if I use my palm like he describes, I can't reach z or x with my fingers... < 1252086905 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1252086927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you classify everyone who doesn't have huge hands as small handed < 1252086932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... false, to say the least < 1252086936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an obvious bias < 1252086946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you do exactly the opposite < 1252086952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should even out < 1252086983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I didn't swap. I use it in addition < 1252086989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no caps lock key feature < 1252087004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can press ctrl with my palm and use my index finger to reach every letter up to the YHN column except Q and A < 1252087005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not do exactly the opposite, that is an unfounded assertion. < 1252087011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have small hands? < 1252087020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how should I know? < 1252087031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my statement < 1252087045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also reaching *up* wasn't the issue < 1252087048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaching *down* was < 1252087055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1252087057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I would have to curl my finger a lot < 1252087060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, I can reach all except Q and A < 1252087070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that includes Z and X < 1252087074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well Q and A are at the top row? < 1252087078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well A isn't < 1252087079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it requires curl < 1252087080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Q is < 1252087088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with Q and A is they're too far to the left < 1252087096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My palm slides off ctrl if I press those with my index finger < 1252087102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you reach altgr and 2 with the same hand? < 1252087107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, easily < 1252087120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, full sized keyboard? < 1252087120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using thumb + pinkie I can reach right windows and esc < 1252087123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1252087139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sounds pretty normal sized then < 1252087141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's stretching it a bit; I might press altgr at the same time as right windows < 1252087183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right windows and esc is a bit stretching... but then this keyboard has a larger than usual altgr key for some unknown reason < 1252087216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esc and the f keys are a bit further away than usual too < 1252087224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't know what's "usual" anyway, this is an early-90s HP keyboard < 1252087225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the "main" section I mean < 1252087249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, this is a ~2001 Fujitsu Siemens keyboard < 1252087257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly 2002 not sure < 1252087298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this didn't have Windows buttons I'd guess it was 80s :-P < 1252087299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use an Apple Extended Keyboard II < 1252087304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can be inexplicable even to the Model M users < 1252087321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, symbolics one would beat even that < 1252087324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicable? < 1252087325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1252087334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolics keyboards do not have high-quality keyswitches. < 1252087336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has original Alps, doesn't it; that makes it somewhat cool < 1252087338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as far as I know) < 1252087355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Apple Extended's are at least equal to and perhaps better than the Model M's, depending on your tatse. < 1252087356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, alps? Wow those keys must have been quite tall < 1252087356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*taste < 1252087363 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-P < 1252087371 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says Alps, yes < 1252087376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's more obscure and the keycaps are made for one OS. < 1252087381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so what alps in this context < 1252087384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, John Gruber uses one. < 1252087391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "at least equal to" is incorrect < 1252087399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can like buckling-spring more than the alps just fine < 1252087405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true. < 1252087407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean objectively. < 1252087412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err I remember an apple keyboard without the f-keys at all < 1252087414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are different < 1252087416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're undeniably high-quality, and you might subjectively like them more. < 1252087417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was for apple classic < 1252087417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no objectivity about it :-P < 1252087422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: see ^ < 1252087427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what do you mean by "high-quality" < 1252087439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Apple_Extended_Keyboard.jpg < 1252087443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the II < 1252087445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the original < 1252087447 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Alps are a brand of key switches < 1252087456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Cherries, for instance. < 1252087461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What do you mean by "is" < 1252087475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By high-quality I mean they're high-quality in construction and engineering < 1252087492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1252087493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I acknowledge that the Model M's keyswitches are high-quality, and yet I do not really appreciate the feel of typing on it, preferring softer keyboards. < 1252087496 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fine < 1252087505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um... is this like ALPS touchpad? as in same ALPS? < 1252087515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough details to compare the quality of the Model M's switches and Alps < 1252087521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other switches, for that matter < 1252087543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, they're both higher-quality than most stuff on the market, fine. < 1252087555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid at what I'm becoming < 1252087560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Possibly, I don't know. < 1252087568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm enjoying using Windows XP with the classic theme and no font antialiasing! < 1252087573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely sweet death must come soon... < 1252087582 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1252087582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on a mac screen or on a 96 DPI one? < 1252087584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything to relieve me from this internal termoil. < 1252087594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mac. 100dpi isn't really different from 96dpi anyway. < 1252087595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ter/tur/ < 1252087603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only 100 dpi? < 1252087622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what they all are, roughly. < 1252087632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh btw I saw gimp under mac os x think the ~114 DPI screen was actually 72 DPI < 1252087632 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Googling a bit suggests that yes, they're both by Alps Electric Co., Ltd. < 1252087632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 24" Apple Cinema Display @ 1920x1200 is 94dpi, even. < 1252087635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite funny < 1252087642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, < 1252087647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notebooks are more like 120dpi. < 1252087665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well this one was 114 DPI, a few years old (still intel one though) < 1252087683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most pixel-packing display on an Apple computer is the 17" MacBook Pro, which is full 1920x1200 (!); that's 133dpi. < 1252087739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice < 1252087754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still I want a 30" at > 400 dpi < 1252087760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want a pony. < 1252087795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah... < 1252087798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw... < 1252087800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd start breaking the piggy bank around 600dpi; with a good backlight you'd be very close to obsoleting print as a superior medium. < 1252087803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :PONY FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1252087804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reproduction) < 1252087808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1252087809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1252087810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponies < 1252087811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could never < 1252087812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a flu < 1252087813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was UNICORN before < 1252087814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are too PURE < 1252087817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure they can < 1252087820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1252087821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1252087821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a liar < 1252087823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a plant < 1252087826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the evil plant forest < 1252087827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1252087829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCUM < 1252087832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH PLANT FLU < 1252087853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that probably exists too. *shrug* < 1252087861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1252087875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1252087916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wake me up at 1200 dpi screens that won't need backlight < 1252087921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLED < 1252087922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you don't use backlight for a book < 1252087932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPaper. < 1252087935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1252087936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eInk < 1252087937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1252087937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1252087947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes something like that < 1252087954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how good colours it has yet < 1252087957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the DPI is < 1252087961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about response time < 1252087974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hopefully at some point it will be good enough < 1252087990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, backlight as an option would be nice < 1252088026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in dark environments < 1252088042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nicer than having to use a torch < 1252088047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come cmd.exe only lets you choose between Lucida and the default thingy :\ < 1252088060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what fonts are installed? < 1252088067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stock < 1252088074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe those are the only fixed ones < 1252088076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly the default terminal font is very crisp. < 1252088079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just... very bold, too. < 1252088086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, better bold than shy < 1252088103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6x8 version is yummy like 9pt Monaco. < 1252088105 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registry hacks can let you use Consolas etc. in the console < 1252088108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, er, small. < 1252088115 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though Consolas will look like vomit without Cleartype) < 1252088126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: I have a policy not to antialias stuff in here for no adequately explained reason < 1252088193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :PONY F < 1252088195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1252088201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, heehehehhe Small Fonts is cute. < 1252088245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Bold Segoe UI actually looks acceptable pixelated < 1252088258 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-23-169.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252088343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot log link < 1252088344 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just turned off font smoothing and it's still being used in places < 1252088348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :PONY F http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1252088350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "oops". < 1252088359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: yah, some shitty things force htat < 1252088361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and didn't try to fix it? < 1252088365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly ms crap < 1252088369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am a lazy man. < 1252088375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :PONY FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1252088391 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like notepad's main menu, and window titles (it's aero glass) < 1252088410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just turned off font smoothing and it's still being used in places <-- iirc it only takes effect for apps started after the setting was changed < 1252088414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that may depend on OS < 1252088423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly is like that under X < 1252088438 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1252088438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1252088449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is being forced for the C* font family by Microsoft programs. < 1252088460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they mostly look like excrement without ClearType. < 1252088479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: what's that registry hack you were speaking of? < 1252088481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cleartype *looks* like excrement. More so on lower resolutuon monitors < 1252088494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ClearType is a very bad implementation of subpixel smoothing. < 1252088496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1252088500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, all are unbearable apart from OS X's, which looks nice. < 1252088502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/resolution/dpi/ < 1252088506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only in the context of OS X's UI. < 1252088515 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://blog.wolffmyren.com/2008/09/15/consolas-as-cmdexe-windows-console-font/ < 1252088517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This explains how Safari on Windows can look like such dung.) < 1252088527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you think the linux subpixel stuff sucks too? < 1252088531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that could explain it < 1252088536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freetype, yeah. < 1252088557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. so why was you so surprised when I didn't like it on my laptop then? < 1252088573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because at that high DPI, I really didn't think it would matter < 1252088578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1252088582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was/were/ < 1252088598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X rendering strongly resembles print; a lot of people dislike it for that reason when viewing it in their OS of choice but I've never heard of anyone walking up to a Mac and going "Eww, the fonts are all *smudgy!*". < 1252088639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if powershell is any good < 1252088642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is powershell any good, Windows users? < 1252088672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a vector display. Wouldn't need anti-alias at all < 1252088674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1252088683 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit enterprisey, and slow to start up, but it's better than cmd < 1252088746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it enterprisey? < 1252088755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what key did THAT
< 1252088779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1252088850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I could just install the Lisp Machine monospaced font. :-) < 1252088864 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ls, for example, returns a list of objects, not text, and you manipulate it by inspecting the properties of the objects. It's nice in some ways, but it can get clunky too. < 1252088878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eurogaran.com/downloads/lispmfont/screenshot.jpg < 1252088889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is this the nicest bitmap monospace font ever? < 1252088893 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252088900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, looks nice, but what is up with the 7? < 1252088907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 7 looks really ugly < 1252088912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a european 7. < 1252088916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1252088916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rendered quite uglily. < 1252088923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dash through the middle. < 1252088923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :european 7? < 1252088933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, I always write my 7-s like that < 1252088945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7s? 7:s? < 1252088948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only so many pixels to go around. Anyway, how many 7s do you have in your code? < 1252088957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs 7zip
< 1252088975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do math homework in emacs? ;P < 1252088995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm too lazy to use a pen. A lot more effort < 1252089002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucida Typewriter looks nice < 1252089022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where can one get that lispmfont in a format that a modern system knows < 1252089032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fon is not unmodern. < 1252089048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh same directory < 1252089050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1252089102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I just installed it by dragging-and-dropping the .fon to my Fonts folder. < 1252089186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, found a flaw: the . is not monospaced and is unusally small. < 1252089199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems the .pcf works < 1252089201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .fon didn't < 1252089302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I had the money for http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm < 1252089315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 12pt Mac aliased is pretty much unsurpassable there for ease-of-reading. < 1252089327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, ehh, 90 euros man < 1252089352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1252089358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it complains it's an archive < 1252089360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it isn't < 1252089460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is a Windows (un)archiver that exposes things as compressed folders As They Should Be. < 1252089468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the integrated .zip support for that, but... it's just .zip. < 1252089534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be adventurous and try and sleep this computer now for a second. < 1252090182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252090281 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252090524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252090639 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252090661 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :MAHJONG FLU http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1252090801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why that? < 1252090824 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why what? Did you mean the TOPIC setting? < 1252090866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what else? < 1252090874 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. OK < 1252090894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why mahjong < 1252090899 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like it you can change it back, but I think it was changed to a few things it can change a few ways < 1252090912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't say that. < 1252090913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because yesterday I purchased Akagi DS game < 1252090924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered what made you decide on mahjong < 1252090926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1252090942 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why, it is because I purchased Akagi DS game yesterday. < 1252090955 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a esolangs idea for something having to do with mahjong game, too < 1252090961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this "akagi ds" is some sort of mahjong? < 1252090966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahjong game* < 1252090995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION usually plays kmahjong when he plays mahjong (which isn't very often)
< 1252091003 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akagi DS is a mahjong game for DS. It has a few unique features (such as ZawaZawa power, Washizu mahjong, story mode, and some others), but is generally inferior. < 1252091021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS being some old portable nintendo thingy iirc? < 1252091031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was gameboy the old thing and ds the modern one? < 1252091054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmahjong isn't a mahjong game as far as I can tell. < 1252091067 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS is the new Nintendo handheld system (except DSi is even more newer) < 1252091067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1252091074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmahjong <-- how is it not? < 1252091092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the KDE one < 1252091094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just one type of solitaire game that can be played with mahjong tiles. < 1252091108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well maybe. There are some other ones too < 1252091109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1252091119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kshisen < 1252091123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer that one < 1252091124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahjong is played with 4 people < 1252091154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Kshisen is another different solitaire mahjong game. < 1252091167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, all games called "mahjong" that I have seen have been solitaire ones... < 1252091195 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call them "mahjong" because they use the mahjong tiles. But real mahjong game isn't like that. < 1252091235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I usually prefer games with a story. This means stuff like single player RPGs or adventure games. I'm a big fan of some of the zelda games for example < 1252091262 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akagi DS game has a story < 1252091263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zelda a link to the past, and zelda ocarina of time would be my two top favourite ones < 1252091277 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can play free mode also. < 1252091296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, still quite far from the "story" in something like a RPG I assume? < 1252091394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is more like a story than other mahjong games have, but not quite like you would see in a RPG < 1252091422 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have the full collection of Akagi manga book 1-22 < 1252091451 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three mahjong games on my computer, Zootto Mahjong, Nantonaku Mahjong, 4-Winds Mahjong. < 1252091459 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I will write my own, too. Called XUL-Mahjong < 1252091468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1252091655 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akagi DS game and Akagi manga book are all in Japanese, though. But I like it, especially with Washizu tiles. < 1252091691 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zootto Mahjong and Nantonaku Mahjong are also both in Japanese. < 1252091740 0 :Hiato!n=fdulu@dsl-245-3-02.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1252092036 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now I searched for a mahjong game on Japanese SourceForge, I did find one, written in Ruby. Possibly I could try to figure it out to add some feature, such as Washizu tiles. < 1252092360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0C/yakuman.png http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0C/mahjong1.png < 1252092366 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252093394 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1252095306 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252095310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.python.org/issue1453http://bugs.python.org/issue1453 <-- hehe < 1252095315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hiwc < 1252095320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1252095351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION somehow found Lightning Made of Owls amusing today
< 1252095636 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1252095737 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-43-134.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252095881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my shift key is starting to get a slight jwz-look. Nothing as bad yet though < 1252097147 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1252098123 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"underflow" < 1252099077 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252099098 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252099656 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252099739 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-134-214.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252099749 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitches! < 1252099844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg. < 1252100047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been away < 1252100048 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry < 1252100055 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive moved to maryland and i dont have internet in my place yet < 1252100061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesnt mean i dont love you! T_t < 1252100115 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, im off to the library < 1252100117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye! < 1252100118 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1252100529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1252100702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't love you, augur. < 1252102252 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252102642 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252102821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you were talking about eink response times? < 1252102822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jwz.livejournal.com/1080224.html < 1252102824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dismal! < 1252102846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a white box? < 1252102851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of plugin is needed < 1252102855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash. < 1252102870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube? < 1252102873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, flickr. < 1252102877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1252102885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no luck then < 1252102890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your loss. < 1252102896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1252102919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I secretly wish that one day, the web will be almost entirely Flash-based, and you will be forced to resort to using: gopher; no electricity; no running water; no surrounding society. Am I a bad person?) < 1252103128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1252103142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252103149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://bugs.python.org/issue1453http://bugs.python.org/issue1453 <-- your opinion? That issue exists in 3.1 too btw < 1252103153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1252103925 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-134-214.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252104116 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1252105073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1252105730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1252105937 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252106529 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252107648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252107695 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252108527 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)