< 1249257619 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay... 32 KB/s update... < 1249257650 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's really picking up now, 56 KB/s < 1249257650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I like big eths and I cannot lie, you other esolangers can't deny | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249257662 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so fast, isn't it? ^_^ < 1249257673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: 700KB/s in your face bitch. < 1249257680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: 56 kilobytes per second is tolerable. < 1249257693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss my campus Internet connection, though. < 1249257699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 megabits/sec. :D < 1249257700 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 64... now 67... now 1... < 1249257704 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11, I mean. damn this is variable. < 1249257719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 131072KB/s in your face bitch. < 1249257757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seriously? You can get 24mbit/s for, like, regular internet prices in the UK, as long as you don't live somewhere odd like me. < 1249257766 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do miss my campus connection too, it peaked at 800 KB/s, but better than this < 1249257780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we even have fibre-optic 25/50mbit in some places. < 1249257784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Erm. Actually, I think that was s/bits/bytes/ < 1249257785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Scandinavia has 100mbit up the wazoo. < 1249257801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korea has 1Gbit, but I don't think servers are fast enough :P < 1249257804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, seriously. You can hardly get 10mbit/s here. < 1249257813 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1249257817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some internet guy's grandma got 4Gbit as a promotional thingy to encourage companies to speed up the interwebs. < 1249257819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sweden < 1249257832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so you got ~80mbit < 1249257835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~= 100mbit < 1249257835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in the US, that would be 50Mbit. < 1249257853 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, 1586 software packages are going to be upgraded to 8.10 < 1249257857 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you so < 1249257863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: That's… not a lot. < 1249257874 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to download.. 1.7 GB. gawd :/ < 1249257879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I conjecture that US technology sucks so much because you have a shitty economy. < 1249257884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Peanuts. < 1249257896 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on wireless it ain't < 1249257909 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiled. < 1249257927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: n-draft, bitch. < 1249257932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100mbit/sec TCP/IP wireless. < 1249257942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most wireless chips support it nowadays and routers are affordable. < 1249257946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*draft-n < 1249257950 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me < 1249257960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you suck. < 1249257964 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, I think my ISP has it out for me ;_; < 1249258004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL TECHNOLOGY SUCKS < 1249258005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING SUCKS < 1249258030 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249258031 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME < 1249258038 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUDDLE TEIM < 1249258042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CUDDLES < 1249258048 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CUDDLES < 1249258059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL NOW SOLVE THE EVERYTHING PROBLEM BY ENSLAVING EVERYONE < 1249258065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FORCING THEM TO MAKE THINGS THAT DO NOT SUCK < 1249258090 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see.. which video had I downloaded.. ah. Team America time < 1249259672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to only have one app at once < 1249259723 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@65.215.113.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249260823 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249261024 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249261031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Wrong again. It's an ancient Zionist symbol for "jew-gold".]] < 1249261283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no context where that is *not* a blatantly antisemetic comment. < 1249261303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When it's part of a reddit joke-thread. < 1249261316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/96vkn/inwe_trust_start_the_movement/c0bmz17 < 1249261360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1249261402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible to oppose zionism but not jews, but obviously that comment wouldn't exactly fit that if it were serious. < 1249261491 0 :p4yn0!n=ircap@62.42.52.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249261495 0 :p4yn0!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1249261502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1249261518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who're you, where did you come from, and where am I? < 1249261540 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249261546 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the originator of the quote "wherever you go, there you are" < 1249261567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.figmentfly.com/bb/popculture4.html < 1249261576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Danial M, "The quotation is much more ancient ... from around 1440 AD. You can find the following quote at http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2006/002/14.73.html : "So, the cross is always ready and waits for you everywhere. You cannot escape it no matter where you run, for wherever you go you are burdened with yourself. Wherever you go, there you are." —Thomas a Kempis, Imitation of Christ, ca. A.D. 1440 < 1249261589 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fucking christ. < 1249261602 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kempis imitating christ. < 1249261608 0 :p4yn0!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249261621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that guy wouldn't have lasted long anyway. < 1249261629 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, sorry for being offtopic and alienating him, or whatever happened < 1249261637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for being offtopic? < 1249261638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1249261766 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly struck gold with that random question, seems like further scholarship is definitely needed < 1249261888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had the ability to be interested in utterly boring things :( < 1249261921 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im interested in everything, sometimes i cant get out of bed becasue the geometry of the sheet tangle is too fascinating from a topological perspective < 1249261943 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] sometimes i cant get out of bed becasue the geometry of the sheet tangle is too fascinating from a topological perspective < 1249261945 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58| [...] sometimes i cant get out of bed becasue the geometry of the sheet tangle is too fascinating from a topological perspective < 1249261971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249262004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: can i take a guess at the secret to such interest? < 1249262008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guess is "lots and lots of drugs" < 1249262029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(failing that, "insanity") < 1249262048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have similar problems from time to time. < 1249262056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problems?! < 1249262060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds wonderful! < 1249262069 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably correct, its been a long time since 'the day' but i think i probably blew out (or woke up) some unusual synaptic structures duing the years 1990-97 or so < 1249262073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for certain definitions of "problem". < 1249262084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 's called "autism". < 1249262106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called autism if you define autism to be not being able to get out of bed because the geometry of the sheet tangle is too fascinating from a topological perspective. < 1249262115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would happen to be a definition without much precedent. < 1249262119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much = any) < 1249262131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an aspect thereof. < 1249262138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap definition for it, though. < 1249262142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Autism makes you shit flowers, rainbows and a keen interest in stamps. < 1249262153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can fly. < 1249262157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes you shit a keen interest in stamps? < 1249262161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1249262175 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as for the 'you can fly' - google some disney movie called 'the boy who could fly' - PROVEN FACT! < 1249262184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1249262206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Hmm. That makes me want a smopes.com. < 1249262212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like snopes, but has bullshit instead. < 1249262280 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloaded 475 of 1866 packages < 1249262291 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..and the big ones haven't even come yet < 1249262292 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing kde5 from the future? < 1249262303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: No, he's upgrading from Ubuntu 8.04. < 1249262312 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then another one after this < 1249262314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because apparently homework stopped him taking an hour to upgrade to 8.10 or 9.04. < 1249262326 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly. my sound. < 1249262337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mental issues. :P < 1249262346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…and that's saying something coming from me. < 1249262355 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugg, why try to inplace upgrade rather than do a clean install and transfer? isnt inplace upgrading both gonna take longer and (50%+ chance) bork your setup? < 1249262372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no. < 1249262377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generally works fine on Ubuntu. < 1249262385 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say this is a long time debian + ooboontoo user < 1249262387 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it probably will bork my setup. < 1249262387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that most in-place upgrades suck. < 1249262388 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as a < 1249262392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: wfm /shrug < 1249262418 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean install would probably take much longer with what I have < 1249262431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I still have trouble believing that most OSes can't do in-place upgrades. < 1249262446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A decent component system handles it trivially. < 1249262458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because I disbelieve that such OSes exist, but that I disbelieve that we're still in the freaking 80s. :P < 1249262462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think it should just deactivate all software that can't handle the new versions. < 1249262466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd speed up compatibility. < 1249262476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could, of course, manually activate the old version for certain programs.) < 1249262500 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess everyone works out their own workflows, i always have about 4 bootable partitions per box, and when a new distro release comes out, i generally choose the oldest/least used partition, pull any data i want out of it, and install on top of that, leaving whatever my most used system pre-install untouched and just using/copying its data as needed < 1249262515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: I have yet to have a distro upgrade break for me. < 1249262521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I've been using Linux since 2002. < 1249262530 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i commend your administrative skills :) < 1249262538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249262555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I don't switch distros often. < 1249262562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using Gentoo since like 2004 or 2005. < 1249262576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo solves the X problem by making you do it all manually, forall X. :P < 1249262587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with Debian. < 1249262591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1249262595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some definitions of Debian. < 1249262597 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so, gentoo has a ton of automation, its really nice, dont you think? < 1249262607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Gentoo :P < 1249262612 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like eselect and so forth, i find gentoo easy to admin really < 1249262613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mostly hate source-based distros in general. < 1249262622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm no fan of Gentoo users. < 1249262625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, no. Just emerge -avuDN world && revdep-rebuild ;# et viola. < 1249262641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shaddup. < 1249262665 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, of course, mah first distribution < 1249262682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first distro was Slackware. < 1249262693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that's skewed most of my Linux usage. < 1249262702 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards the good < 1249262775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, I toyed with Red Hat (eeeeeewwwww), Debian (stable was t3h old then, not just old), and eventually settled into Gentoo on my desktop and Debian on anything I don't want to fuck with. < 1249262868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like computers to do things for me. < 1249262893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo does things for me. < 1249262951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1249262966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya mean, sort of? < 1249262980 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the userland you get from any gnu/linux distro is always going to be equivalent or whatever the user wants, i havent found any significant differences other than the details of the init scripts and package managers between distros < 1249263000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Arch uses BSD init, which is nice. < 1249263006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like SysV init. It is not kind to me. < 1249263018 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you switch to BSD the userland you tend to build doesnt seem very different to me at least < 1249263019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Gentoo uses neither. < 1249263060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix is unix, so it is, so it sucks, but it's here and everyone who can do better — like, say, us — are sitting around on their asses doing nothing. < 1249263073 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not true, im using and developing and releasing plan9 software < 1249263101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, it uses SysV init, but only as a wrapper for /sbin/rc. < 1249263102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 isn't even significantly better; it progresses the Unix paradigm, thus running into its limits, but this is not much of an improvement. < 1249263107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to minimize breakage) < 1249263110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just shows that, yes, it is a limited paradigm. < 1249263132 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what about the 9p protocol and 9p fs interfaces as something entirely independent from plan9, despite having been developed as part of it? < 1249263161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hierarchical filesystem. I don't like them. They are not kind to me and they are not all that useful, and there are far better things. < 1249263176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, they're related to hierarchical filesystems; whatever.) < 1249263212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's the best we've got mostly because the alternative is a notable lack of paradigm. So, most people enter UNIX, are impressed that there *is* a paradigm, and dispute that it could even be changed for the better... < 1249263228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine with UNIX being good enough for most purposes, and you get 40 years of UNIX. < 1249263231 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249263242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I rarely consider what other people want when dabbling in such things. < 1249263246 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1249263247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi. < 1249263253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1249263268 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hrmph, im not sure what you say really makes sense from a fundamentals perspective - the idea that you can say hierarchical filesystems and the general idea of file i/o as semantics for how you 'control your turing machine' seems a bit broad... < 1249263286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1249263288 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say they are 'not all that useful' which doesnt seem to make sense < 1249263309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate files as separate from objects, I hate disk as separate from memory, and I hate tree hierarchy. < 1249263334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orthogonal persistence — FUCK YEAH. < 1249263354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chuck in persistence of continuations and we've got some hot lovin' suspendable persistin' action. < 1249263363 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok, 9p actually i think addresses all of those concerns - it has the idea that 'objects == files' in its paradigm - it absolutely is designed to abstract away from disk vs. memory - and it doesnt impose a tree hierarchy, even < 1249263389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: This is a very Smalltalkish way of doing things. < 1249263393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: 9P is basically RPC, so it's a leaky abstraction. Anyway. No. < 1249263402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9P still has plain text as the quantum. < 1249263412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate plain text for anything other than plain text. < 1249263416 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what information cant be represented by plain text? none. < 1249263425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: OK, then. Why does C have any types other than char *? < 1249263442 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, in a way it doesnt! it offers semantic labeling and handling for convenience < 1249263449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It most certainly does, mycroftiv. < 1249263455 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i surely dont need to explain to you, you get to cast anything to void... < 1249263471 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recast as char, work with it that way...send it back, if itll fit...or maybe give you a nice crash... < 1249263478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will only get internal representations. < 1249263483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not applicable to what I am talking about. < 1249263510 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249263548 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit you are probably a lot more expert on this than i am, im just a guy who tries to write software to do stuff using the abstractions that make the most sense to me < 1249263569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: As an aside, have you considered learning Haskell? < 1249263579 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, thats kind of a slow moving ongoing project for me < 1249263584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expert, mycroftiv? I'm just a deranged 13 year old. :P < 1249263594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider me flattered or something. < 1249263602 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you talk a good game, at least < 1249263610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I'm always right, duh. < 1249263634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the best way to come to love rich persisted objects is via orthogonal persistence. < 1249263651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never lose anything, when coding you never worry about losing anything, and it's truly a living environment of objects < 1249263652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1249263655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is simple: < 1249263655 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love rich persisted objects, its exactly why i like plan9 and 9p :) < 1249263663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of memory is continually persisted to disk. < 1249263670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory = cache for disk. < 1249263673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's IT. < 1249263678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no filesystem. No files. < 1249263692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have your runtime objects, and that's what you keep until you explicitly let go. < 1249263696 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine theres no files...no filesystem too...you may say that im a dreamer...but im not the only one... < 1249263702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely! < 1249263708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lennon was a Smalltalker. < 1249263726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, Smalltalk. < 1249263736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Smalltalk, dammit. :P < 1249263737 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my opinion is that what you just described is exactly the plan9 and 9p design, with a merely semantic difference between the word 'object' and the word 'file' < 1249263742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't think Smalltalk persisted. < 1249263748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back then. < 1249263751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Nononono, it's not. < 1249263757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a value in Plan 9's C. < 1249263757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does these days. < 1249263761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose it if you have a crash. < 1249263765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose it if your program terminates. < 1249263779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to explicitly hook into the persistence mechanism and come up with a representation. < 1249263781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not it at all. < 1249263789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With orthogonal persistence, you just Use Objects Like That. < 1249263794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they stay there. < 1249263804 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: aha! ok, we are speaking of different layers - i am absolutely not talking about the plan9 os/kernel layer, but the layer of the 9p fs itself! surely smalltalk objects arent persistent if you smash the hsot machine with a hammer or delete the software? < 1249263827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, but orthogonal persistence IS OS layer. < 1249263841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ubiquitous, that's why it works. < 1249263846 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i completely agree taht you need to fully push these principles down to all layers, and that plan9 does not do that < 1249263865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Yes, and once you do that, you realise that you're persisting the rich objects and not a plain text representation of them. < 1249263881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you realise that there's a reason we program with those rich semantics, and no reason not to persist like that too. < 1249263885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO at least < 1249263906 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, as a turing fundamentalist, i dont think there is a difference between 'rich objects' and 'plain text' - unless you have a physical OS that isnt using binary at the transistor level? < 1249263916 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION awaits finally being able to install anki < 1249263930 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anki fuck yeah < 1249263942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Your argument reeks of "Brainfuck is just as good as Haskell because they're both turing complete". < 1249263951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes… technically. < 1249263957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in practice, no, that's not how they match up. < 1249263971 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think im trying to stake out something much more limited, which is: < 1249263975 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249263990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that we're agreeing but you're using awkward terminology. < 1249263991 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you cant critique 9p on the basis of the underlying OS any more than you can critique smalltalk on the basis of the physical hardware it runs on" < 1249264002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By plain text, I mean the kind of thing that you find on unix/plan 9 systems. < 1249264002 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249264009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat file, ad-hoc formats, pseudo-human-readable. < 1249264011 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWKwords < 1249264017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean binary representations of objects, which is what I prefer. < 1249264021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're both bits, technically. < 1249264024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the paradigm is different. < 1249264043 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just like 'machine storage'! a rich object is always going to be what you get at the 'content layer' after you WORK WITH whatever your basic raw storage format is! thats what plaintext is, its just like binary at the machine level < 1249264051 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are making a layer confusion in your thinking < 1249264056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"after you WORK WITH whatever your basic raw storage format is" < 1249264058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! < 1249264065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With orthogonal persistence there is no format. < 1249264077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you clunk to disk is what you use. < 1249264080 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your physical chips liquify and dont use binary? < 1249264100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.........................whut < 1249264114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There is one thing that makes me vomit about this: the data should be independent of the programs. I am not sure how you would pull that off. < 1249264126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why on earth should it be? < 1249264129 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, you dont have a problem with having your rich objects stored in binary in the physical memory right?" < 1249264132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects have methods ;-) < 1249264139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I kill you. < 1249264146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Smalltalk, bitch. < 1249264153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I kill you. < 1249264159 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what do you mean independent of the programs? < 1249264162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Again? < 1249264167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: plz read ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ < 1249264168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1249264175 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you are OK with binary storage of objects at the physical layer, and the microcode/firmware or whatever you call it translating your smalltalk into those operations < 1249264177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: I really think you're pulling at straws here < 1249264178 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what you mean by that. < 1249264196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: file "foo.mp3" can be handled by any program I have on my hard drive that is willing to read a file. < 1249264200 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isnt it ok for there to be a layer that works with data as plaintext, as an intermediate stage between binary and the rich objects? < 1249264202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though not all programs will make sense of it) < 1249264204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1249264210 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean non-proprietary formats, essentially. < 1249264213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1249264215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, augur? < 1249264222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... What? < 1249264230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what < 1249264249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at reading comprehension. Epicly. < 1249264252 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: can you network with these rich objects? if you send them via ethernet framing, does the fact that they become binary/plaintext during transmission across the network destroy them somehow? < 1249264253 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1249264259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"augur: file "foo.mp3" can be handled by any program I have on my hard drive that is willing to read a file." < 1249264260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: That would work, sure… but it's also kind of a silly step and will just use more disk. Also, the fact is that in 9P, you address objects with paths — which is not how you address them in an object system (e.g. "self users at: 3" is not /users/3) < 1249264277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Unix and 9P's model is not just "making objects plaintext before bunking them to disk". < 1249264289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would work → plaintext intermediatry) < 1249264294 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean "handled by a text editor", i take this to mean "handled by anything that plays music because they all play mp3s" < 1249264322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Handled by anything that handles files in general. < 1249264329 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. handled in what sense? < 1249264331 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm, in a very important sense I think 'making objects plaintext for convenience while reading/writing them' is absolutely the essence of unix design < 1249264343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat foo.mp3 ;# that's handling it. < 1249264346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not usefully, but it is. < 1249264350 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that in no sense is unix attempting to prevent you from creating higher level systematic abstractions that have nothing to do with plaintext < 1249264353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: That's not a convenience, it's just pointless. < 1249264358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a decent object system. < 1249264371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Unix's shambles of assorted binary blobs operating in low-level languages. < 1249264375 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, ok, but im pretty sure that thats essentially possible regardless. ignoring the fact that certain programs have certain expectations of file contents. < 1249264397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Anyway, "while reading/writing them" < 1249264402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With orthogonal persistence, you don't see that. < 1249264406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You modify the object, it's modified on disk. < 1249264410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS does it, you never notice. < 1249264417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reading or writing, there is just "is". < 1249264580 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ObjectivistOs? Is == IS? a == a? < 1249264605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl. < 1249264621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "there is just 'is'" as in the objects are just there, except there implies them being in a place. < 1249264631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just said is; they exist. < 1249264775 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all im saying is, there is a real and messy world of wires and circuits and binary bits that has to be brought into compliance with the abstractions you create. I dont see how you can escape, at some layer, having to work with things in the semantics that the wires/spec imposes on you. thats all. < 1249264890 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unix plaintext abstaction was created to meet the practical needs of how you build a system where the user can interact with rich objects and the wires and magnetic bits can stay synchronized with that. it is certainly not perfect, and could be much improved - but i think unix plaintext handling exists at the 'dealing with hardware' layer more than the 'telling you what abstractions to use' layer. < 1249265081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree because I see code handling this supposedly low-level "abstraction" all the time. < 1249265083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In applications. < 1249265087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Plan 9 ones. < 1249265088 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i totally agree < 1249265103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think you're underestimating the culture of making your own shitty ad-hoc plain text formats and putting them in your own ad-hoc locations. < 1249265109 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said the work of creating the 'ladder of abstractions' and making systems be consistent was complete! < 1249265131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249265161 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think you are confusing me with a defender of traditional unix...i think you are making the mistake of confusing something that is a progressive step in the evolutionary process with something that is an obstacle < 1249265186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Plan 9 can go further, but we'll see. My other beef with it is that it keeps the outdated notion of an "application"; a 70s-era exposure of kernel structurse. < 1249265187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*structures < 1249265191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun talking, anyway. I've got to go sleep now. I know people on IRC generally don't do that. < 1249265195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249265217 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1249265229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv < 1249265234 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think to understand ehird < 1249265240 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it like this < 1249265250 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects exist in memory during runtime right? < 1249265276 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure - i think i understand his ideas about breaking down the traditional 'hardware based' abstractions, absolutely < 1249265313 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. the stuff in memory during runtime is whatever "format" a running object has < 1249265314 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1249265350 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not completely sure if you are talking about the abstract type as defined by the language/compiler etc or the machine representation as transistor bits/logic, but sure < 1249265360 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever is in ram < 1249265363 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cache < 1249265395 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one layer, it is logical strucutre - at another layer, its physical charge < 1249265405 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be mapped onto each other precisely, of course < 1249265406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a smalltalk like system, the act of saving a file, or anything actually, amounts to nothing more than copying the memory content to the harddrive. < 1249265414 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, i know this, absolutely < 1249265419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt involve encoding it into a special format for "representing" the object < 1249265426 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait, not true < 1249265426 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a raw binary dump to the harddrive. < 1249265441 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have a ton of lower level firmware type stuff going on < 1249265451 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not part of the objects in question. < 1249265466 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither is the unix plaintext representation of data part of the 'objects' as dealt with by application software < 1249265473 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different layers of the abstraction < 1249265498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, except that the plaintext representations of data are /representations of data/ < 1249265516 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the low level firmware and os driver control of a hard drive are also representations of data < 1249265521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the raw data itself, that would normally exist in memory when the computer is processing it < 1249265532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but different data. < 1249265560 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a larger set of data, but the 'content data' is still a subset thereof < 1249265598 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can talk about small talk and 'abstract away' from the os drivers for the hard drive and its firmware - you can talk about unix software and its semantics and extract away from the unix os handling of the data before sending it to the disk < 1249265641 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can send data over a network without the fact that it was encapsulated via tcp/ip somehow 'contaminating it' at the application layer - you can do the same with an os's representation of data and its software < 1249265671 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way you can escape from the particularities of the hard work of handling your hardware and formats - you just build tools that let you work as a programmer and user at layers of abstraction beyond that < 1249265688 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if smalltalk exists as smalltalk regardlesss of the hardware platform < 1249265725 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can certainly create whatever kind of environment you want as a set of abstractions on top of any os that gives you the ability to create a working implementation < 1249265804 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thats why i keep saying i think this is a 'layer confusion' where you are expecting that a lower layer should conform to the semantics and syntax of a higher layer - where you cant actually do that, unless you make your chips out of ideas rather than transistors < 1249265882 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its great if you can make your layers as transparent and consistent as possible, and we definitely can evolve much further in that direction < 1249265996 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that we have to store our data fundamentally as electrical charges, and stuff it through networking protocols, and read it from disks using various hardware bus interface specifications - these are annoyances, but they are just the 'accidental material' of creating things, just as the marble is not the sculpture < 1249266205 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that being said - i understand that *plastic* was created because marble is hard to work with, and having something easier to shape is valuable - and ehird is talking about increasing the *plasticity* of data and how we work with it < 1249266231 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i 100% agree with and support < 1249267914 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"raise Hand, 'wave'" < 1249274233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1249274363 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249277140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249278433 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249278789 0 :vijay_!n=vijay@71.227.119.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249278951 0 :vijay_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249279569 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my packages be be downloadin' < 1249279621 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..still < 1249286084 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249286399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1249286400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1249289304 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-9-207.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249289866 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249290566 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-223.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1249291407 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249291696 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249292162 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!" < 1249293485 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249293680 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249293740 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249295103 0 :fizziew!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249295568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I had completely forgotten about that thing. < 1249297444 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my packages be installin' < 1249297621 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1249297638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon your packages be explodin'. < 1249297717 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 day forecast was not so unrealistic < 1249298904 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249298904 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249298904 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249298904 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249298943 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249298943 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249298943 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249298943 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249299989 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300004 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a proper beer program?: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/InfChessPro#Examples < 1249300090 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249300092 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also work on a new paper RPG system, Icosahedral RPG, but some things still I didn't figure it out yet, what should be the rules for multiplying a spell by another spell (or itself)? < 1249300316 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249300316 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249300316 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249300316 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249300349 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249300351 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300374 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300374 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300374 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300374 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249300482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, what's this mistake < 1249300596 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-88-184.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249301086 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249301726 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249302508 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249302824 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249302847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has corpses in his kitchen < 1249302940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fly corpses) < 1249302951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! < 1249302979 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What doesn't kill you, makes you hard of hearing. < 1249303042 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a proper beer program?: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/InfChessPro#Examples < 1249303049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also work on a new paper RPG system, Icosahedral RPG, but some things still I didn't figure it out yet, what should be the rules for multiplying a spell by another spell (or itself)? < 1249303129 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What people would put all the blood in a bowl and then throw all of the cigarettes in the same bowl? < 1249303594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…what? < 1249303650 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in Akagi manga book. < 1249303654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had blood on my hands that may or may not have been mine (was probably mine) < 1249303784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I killed a mosquito by accident. It had just bitten me) < 1249303821 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249303821 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249303821 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249303821 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249303836 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard that only female mosquitoes bite you. < 1249303942 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249303942 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249303942 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249303942 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249303962 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304017 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is all QUIT and JOIN a lot in a past few minutes? < 1249304047 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249304047 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249304047 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249304048 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249304157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249304170 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304170 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304170 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304170 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304171 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304612 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-98-199.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249304782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249304986 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1249305084 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249305086 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS FIREFOX ON 8.10 SO SLOW < 1249305110 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats his graphics card into pulpy submission < 1249305194 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249305846 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS FIREFOX SO SLOW ON THIS PENTIUM III? < 1249306000 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous lagging, or to take arms against a sea of graphics cards, and by opposing make them effing work? < 1249306024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Gracenotes $15bux < 1249306028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a nvidia card < 1249306303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a nvidia card. It sucks < 1249306362 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it's a 8.10 thing < 1249306523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you suck < 1249306556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you know of a site like imgur, but for audio? < 1249306565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filebin.ca < 1249306584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty, as soon as Firefox regains sanity < 1249306603 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikimedia commons. if you freely license it. and prove its encyclopedic worth. < 1249306610 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1249306610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want reddit hitting diagonalfish < 1249306618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, there is no encyclopedic worth < 1249306641 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must thrust encyclopedic worth into it < 1249306675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to think that reddit will hit anything you submit is statistically nonsensical < 1249306693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway, filebin will cause a download. < 1249306701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tindeck if you want a player; must be freely licensed. < 1249306778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, I doubt that people will want to redistribute this < 1249306828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Reddit will absolutely not hit something they have to save and open. < 1249306842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, self-defeating prophecy.\ < 1249306845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1249306878 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean self-fulfilling. < 1249306895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sounds stupid < 1249306897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1249306924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no < 1249306925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-defeating < 1249306928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reconsiders doing anything with this at this point < 1249306929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/unknownsongs.wav < 1249306974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is /r/self an appropriate place to ask for information like what songs the unknown songs are? < 1249306977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like that? < 1249306983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, no. < 1249307005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow my ears just cringed listening to that. I didn't know that was possible. < 1249307158 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard crowd today, eh < 1249307180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bet bitches < 1249307208 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people bet cash < 1249307223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a sec, ehird sounded a bit like Randall Munroe < 1249307237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you bet bitches" is totally what xkcd would say. < 1249307239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wit: < 1249307243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you bet bitches < 1249307345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how is that sort of thing inappropriate for /r/self ? < 1249307363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work as a self post? No. < 1249307366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1249307372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh >.> < 1249307387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE < 1249307388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then I'll ask about a game < 1249307437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? Are you just trying to ask… something? :P < 1249307455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1249307462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, lonely Sgeo. < 1249307473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to find out more information about a game I found out about in 2001 or earlier < 1249307497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if/when it died, don't know if what I remember about it is a mere hallucination, or anything < 1249307528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replies to a comment with an obscure reference < 1249307595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You seem to have nostalgia but no aoknalgia. :P < 1249307642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't get that that was a pun until google failed to return anything < 1249307697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm surprised you get the pun even afterwards. < 1249307709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's not really a pun. < 1249307710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no/aok < 1249307713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a neologism. < 1249307715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely get it < 1249307716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, haha. < 1249307719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's… no. < 1249307721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not intentional. < 1249307742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't get it < 1249307756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostalgia = nostos + algos; aoknalgia = aoknos + algos; aoknos is one of the seventy billion words that an English → Ancient Greek dictionary gave me for "present". < 1249307802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1249307858 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neologism by wild guessing < 1249307874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which was a long-winded way of saying "Wow, you really like dead games". < 1249307877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Quite so. < 1249307926 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I was tuning into my interblogotube the other day < 1249307930 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it's funny, I missed Cybertown, but when I was able to visit regularly again, I stopped missing it quite so much < 1249307946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer feel desparate to see the 3d < 1249307952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do miss the community though < 1249307972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So you're a necrophiliac, essentially. < 1249307993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249308011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you're really obsessed with VR games. < 1249308038 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am obsessed with tickle-torturing ehird! < 1249308047 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1249308053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…okay… < 1249308059 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tickle* < 1249308098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249308101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/972hb/any_information_about_this_old_probably_now_dead/ < 1249308124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hahaha those three points are hilariously vague < 1249308140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is my memory < 1249308161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any information about this thing? < 1249308165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it was a thing < 1249308169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think you could do things < 1249308174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the things had things. < 1249308178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds more details < 1249308189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249308261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/anonymity/ durp durp < 1249308418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think I remember where I found that gamer < 1249308420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1249308432 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/anonymity+null/ < 1249308463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes? < 1249308468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said in the post, :P < 1249308477 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I validated your assertion! < 1249308494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be more encouraged about looking there if there was evidence that it contained information about a site that I found around the same time as this mysterious game < 1249308519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does +null do, exactly? < 1249308537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how did ehird make a superficially anonymous reddit in the first place? < 1249308539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS? < 1249308541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1249308555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do /r/a+b+c/ < 1249308560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably null is an empty subreddit < 1249308569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's awesome < 1249308570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this of course disables custom css < 1249308577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the main page is e.g. /r/blah+blah+blah/ essentially < 1249308616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I get an orange envelop if someone replies to my post? < 1249308622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I have to check it manually? < 1249308641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1249308687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: By the way, delete it, it belongs in AskReddit. < 1249308689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1249308705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love poking tft screens < 1249308709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little trail! < 1249308709 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing something saying that AskReddit is for insightful questions < 1249308724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't insightful don't ask? :P < 1249308874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+B=C/E < 1249309008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EA+EB=C < 1249309010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of it? < 1249309049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E/R=sin(R)/cos(arctan(A*B))+phi < 1249309103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs, screaming, from the trig < 1249309142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pull the trig. < 1249309144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ger. < 1249309235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha sez: < 1249309238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : solve Z=(sin(R)/cos(arctan(A*B))+((1+sqrt(5))/2))*R < 1249309245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Z = 1/2 (2 R sqrt(A^2 B^2+1) sin(R)+sqrt(5) R+R) < 1249309247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moar you know < 1249309467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..I assume that what you posted was a rendering of usage of Wolfram Alpha as though it were an IRC conversation, as opposed to Wolfram Alpha being available in some IRC channel? < 1249309505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1249309508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: However. < 1249309514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram solve Z=(sin(R)/cos(arctan(A*B))+((1+sqrt(5))/2))*R < 1249309520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo? < 1249309524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, HackEgo. < 1249309527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wolfram solve Z=(sin(R)/cos(arctan(A*B))+((1+sqrt(5))/2))*R < 1249309528 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve Z sin R cos arctan A B \ \ 1 sqrt 5 2 \ \ R \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ solve \ \ Z \ \ sin R cos tan 1 A B \ \ 1 2 \ \ 1 \ \ 5 \ \ R \ \ Result: \ \ Z \ \ 1 2 \ \ 2R \ \ A2 B2 \ \ 1 sin R \ \ 5 R \ \ R \ \ Generated by Wolfram|Alpha (www.wolframalpha.com) on August 3, 2009 from Champaign, IL. © < 1249309533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there we go. < 1249309535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just slow. < 1249309547 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you solve that? < 1249309549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: You should really make it use the plain text forms. < 1249309552 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say what variable to solve < 1249309557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: It guesses < 1249309570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it jsut ended up reformulating what I gave it :P < 1249309572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1249309666 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has too many variables < 1249309667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... a message-box popped up from w|a: "You are about to log in to the site "www37.wolframalpha.com" with the username "xss", but the website does not require authentication. This may be an attempt to trick you. Is "www37.wolframalpha.com" the site you want to visit?" < 1249309674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249309688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can tell w|a that "solve [equation] for [var]". < 1249309688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Going to wolframalpha.com, I assume < 1249309691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249309692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A < 1249309696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Windows Live Authentication or something < 1249309697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249309728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telling it to solve for Z changes nothing, anyway. < 1249309767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, since it was already solving for Z. And it doesn't seem to be able to say anything sensible for R. < 1249309843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you simplify by removing that last "*R" you get a rather ugly solution when saying "solve for R". < 1249309861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What solution is it? Me lazy. < 1249309869 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use Mathematica directly < 1249309873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, /me tries < 1249309880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = -sin^(-1)((2 Z sqrt(A^2 B^2+1)-sqrt(5) sqrt(A^2 B^2+1)-sqrt(A^2 B^2+1))/(2 (A^2 B^2+1)))+2 pi n+pi and A^2 B^2+1!=0 and n element Z, R = sin^(-1)((2 Z sqrt(A^2 B^2+1)-sqrt(5) sqrt(A^2 B^2+1)-sqrt(A^2 B^2+1))/(2 (A^2 B^2+1)))+2 pi n and A^2 B^2+1!=0 and n element Z, B = +-i/A and Z = 1/2 (1+sqrt(5)) and A!=0 < 1249309889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really doesn't look as pretty in the plaintext form. < 1249309898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyy it got pi involved < 1249309900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1249309950 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh < 1249309954 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has trig functionqs < 1249310012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1249310014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooring < 1249310220 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249310220 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249310220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249310220 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249310220 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249310696 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1249310696 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-88-184.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249310696 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1249310696 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@h69-128-47-245.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249310696 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1249310762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mycroftiv < 1249310764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, pi's lurking everywhere; "integrate e^(-x^2) from -infinity to infinity". < 1249310836 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's in a bucnh of integrals < 1249310837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly boggles the mind :P < 1249310845 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, so's e < 1249310998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1249311100 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you find the loser numbers < 1249311105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249311106 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the golden number < 1249311118 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a couple of gigs < 1249311120 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1249311120 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they never break through < 1249311154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: xD < 1249311164 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249311164 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249311164 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249311164 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249311177 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NETSPLIT D: < 1249311202 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249311202 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249311202 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249311202 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249311309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1249312159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will stop and the entire kinetic energy of the system will be used to accelerate my head toward the ground. < 1249312426 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249312426 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249312426 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249312427 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1249312475 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249312475 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249312475 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249312475 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249314712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/01/alt-shift-print-screen-scary-keyboard.html absentmindedly tried this on Ubuntu >.> < 1249315040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate stupid blogs with stupid posts. < 1249315490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1249315491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249315854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ↑. < 1249315894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUPERTINO, California—August 3, 2009—Apple® today announced that Dr. Eric Schmidt, chief executive officer of Google, is resigning from Apple’s Board of Directors, a position he has held since August 2006. < 1249315962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Eric Schmidt cited a conflict of interest. < 1249315969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1249315978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understandable, though if they really think Chrome OS is a competitor to OS X… < 1249315982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then they're on crack) < 1249315990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android, though, yeah. < 1249316015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome OS is more of a competitor to Apple TV than OS X. < 1249316019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even that's a stretch) < 1249316044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, Chrome OS is for browsin' the web and chattin' and documentin'. < 1249316049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple TV is for playing music and movies. < 1249316054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that works. < 1249316082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both OSes for 'appliances', not full-fledged computers. < 1249316088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a stretch still. < 1249316097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least in the same ballpark. < 1249316105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooort offfffffffffffffffffffffff. < 1249316113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1249316131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Nice attempt at a cover up by Apple “Unfortunately, as Google enters more of Apple’s core businesses, with Android and now Chrome OS, Eric’s effectiveness as an Apple Board member will be significantly diminished..." But we know its about Apple rejecting Google's apps]] < 1249316133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ lol wat < 1249316138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit sure is full of conspiracy theories. < 1249316150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1249316170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apple rejected Google Voice stuff from the iPhone and were dicks and told Google to refund and stuff) < 1249316174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But err, no.) < 1249316249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I know everyone on reddit thinks Apple and Google are like Jesus and Buddha]] < 1249316250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, full of strawmen set up just so they can get popular by being contradicted. < 1249316259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since every second comment on reddit is "Apple sux lol". < 1249316293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, someone denying the Macintosh was influential. < 1249316298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS I DON'T EVEN LIKE APPLE ANY MORE < 1249316300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU'RE STILL STUPID. < 1249316320 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249316331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... The Mac, not influential? < 1249316343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly! < 1249316362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Their argument is that they were dormant in the 90s. < 1249316369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why they weren't influential in the 70s/80s. < 1249316369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you point at Xerox and say they did it all first, the Mac was at least influential for *bringing that in a normal PC*... < 1249316371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so OBVIOUS now! < 1249316372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Face. Palm. < 1249316411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo close to abandoning reddit. < 1249316501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523, anyway < 1249316512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1249316589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol http://www.dibert.com/ < 1249316591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1249316604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1249316611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that link typoed, or deliberate, btw? < 1249316626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberate < 1249316641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when I first typed it into the browser, that was a typo < 1249316647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But pasting it in here was deliberate < 1249316720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Diberts enjoy Dilbert, apparenty < 1249316722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1249316866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading about how someone tried to plant a fake ATM in the middle of a computer security convention < 1249316901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Defcon. Freaking *Defcon*. < 1249316905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249316921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special form of stupidity there. < 1249316971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1249317071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_did_a_Big_Mac_cost_today < 1249317084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what a strangely worded question < 1249317124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, looks like the doors crashed again yesterday < 1249317127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't there to see it < 1249317148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would probably fall for it >.> < 1249317162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is there an easy way to tell if an ATM is fake? < 1249317183 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and did the details of the iPhone issue come out? < 1249317507 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249317579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, if an ATM suddenly appears in a location there wasn't one a while back, and the owners of the place don't remember installing it, it probably isn't real < 1249317593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norly < 1249317596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fake fronts on existing ATMs that are the real problem < 1249317606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather different from fake ATMs < 1249317646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just look, though < 1249317759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what? < 1249317774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the atm. < 1249317786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell a real ATM front from a fake one by sight? < 1249317853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the atm covers, yeah? < 1249317964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a fake one on the TV, they're pretty realistic < 1249317982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost certainly trademark infringement, at that < 1249318061 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1249318073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, trademark infringement, that's so what they worry about < 1249318074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1249318074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a channel < 1249318083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever conducted an < 1249318083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird < 1249318084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo < 1249318085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll < 1249318096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day < 1249318108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1249318109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249318110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this poll < 1249318114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& its contents thereof < 1249318119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of them are really small, you can't see them < 1249318130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1249318130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1249318139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, maybe you busted it up some time yesterday or today? this is possible? < 1249318159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make good sense < 1249318162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would understand that < 1249318184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i understand? < 1249318209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busted it up? i'm not sure i'm familiar with that outsorted phrase < 1249318231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm tired as hell < 1249318234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's when you blam it but it's sort of like a nuclear bomb < 1249318238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this theme is awesome < 1249318247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's a lot i guess. < 1249318253 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-156-199-168.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249318254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a- ha < 1249318256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just scored me some free pills < 1249318257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this understand-worthy < 1249318261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the pills pills of delight < 1249318262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just scored me some free pills < 1249318263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fright < 1249318265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delight fright < 1249318272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or freight, freight train, which is it oklopol < 1249318318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wait your turn, IE is crashing again < 1249318374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are these pills made of magic//or are their rhymes tragic < 1249318374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, it's gone i guess, anyway they are these things that make like a sizzling sound and then you drink it. < 1249318377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the term it < 1249318378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ius < 1249318379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1249318426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: /nick oklopill < 1249318433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably sleep a bit < 1249318441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopil < 1249318455 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't muster another l < 1249318491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to get free pills in the uk, it's called a prescription ← Joke humour < 1249318596 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was pretty funny < 1249318668 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the IE theme is just awesome < 1249318685 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every page has a fully perfect look now < 1249318695 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some pics look kinda out of place < 1249318711 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't see some stuff < 1249318731 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't see everything with the windows theme either, for instance vlc's buttons < 1249318757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who likes to see < 1249318760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think seeing is like, good < 1249318764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. < 1249318778 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree so completely fully. < 1249318805 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing important has been invisible sofar < 1249318867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that shoes have their own mathematics < 1249318886 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about knot theory < 1249318905 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the multiplication of primitive knots is commutative? < 1249318912 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, group operation. < 1249318924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity? isn't that invisible? < 1249318935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's what I get for answering a comment without reading context < 1249318938 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i mean more invisible. < 1249318948 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity was invisible before < 1249318990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha what < 1249318992 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the obvious > for booleans < 1249318996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the context there :D < 1249319010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249319010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1249319018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also air < 1249319029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but air isn't very important < 1249319048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wouldn't it be cool if electricity was visible < 1249319091 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if it arcs < 1249319099 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, things with current would turn to electred < 1249319109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1249319111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: it's not the electricity visible there, it's the air plasma that's conducting it < 1249319114 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the color < 1249319115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like a tesla coil all the time basically < 1249319121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open up your PC and your mobo glows < 1249319122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise with lightning < 1249319124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparks and shit < 1249319130 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well abloobloo, if we're being like that < 1249319135 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all we can see is electricity < 1249319136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be awesome < 1249319137 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can < 1249319137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1249319139 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1249319142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN FACT\ < 1249319144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1249319146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would persuade me < 1249319150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a computer case with a side window < 1249319153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite HATING THAT SHIT < 1249319159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could see my motherboard glow and shit. < 1249319161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. < 1249319165 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249319295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: if we want to be PEDANTIC < 1249319302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can just say that everything is quantum fluctuations of energy < 1249319306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1249319306 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we surely do! < 1249319323 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, God is the creator of all things, seen and unseen < 1249319331 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the seen parts have to do with electricity < 1249319377 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i hear reals were created by man, actually < 1249319378 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now i think of it, if you put current through something, it'll heat up due to resistance, so become a slightly different colour, if only in the infra-red < 1249319398 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get your dream if you wear infra-red vision things < 1249319475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: when did i say god < 1249319477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said god < 1249319510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: very slightly different, typical computers use milliamps or microamps of current < 1249319516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to avoid losing it as heat as much as possible < 1249319519 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it's still there < 1249319549 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny shift in the emission peak < 1249319669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249319681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the odds of being able to get vision sensitive enough to see it would be rather low < 1249319709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you guys thinkin' what I'm thinking? < 1249319722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<#esoteric> Yeah, but how will we get $1bn in funding? < 1249319751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1249319780 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will save children from accidentally electrocuting themselves < 1249319784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also need a time machine to modify our genetics. < 1249319790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: O RLY? "Ooh, shiny…" < 1249319795 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1249319809 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we make it so that in the device, electricity is presented in an ugly colour < 1249319812 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not attractive at all < 1249319827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it shouldn't be a colour at all < 1249319830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an extra sense < 1249319830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: yeah but kids love shit like that < 1249319838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can see more colours than colourblind people can < 1249319841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they love getting mucky < 1249319843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1249319848 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay we'll need more funding to work out what colours kids don't like to touch < 1249319852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none! < 1249319859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249319860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point, the point is that it won't be a colour at all < 1249319861 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be sure < 1249319866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i had an urge to touch any lamps < 1249319866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be, just a direct brain input < 1249319875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like unless you're synaesthetic, smells don't have a colour < 1249319875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something that looks like an expose dlamp < 1249319878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exposed lamp < 1249319892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was synaesthetic < 1249319897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1249319902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be neat < 1249319911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of any disadvantages either < 1249320200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[This kind of synesthesia is usually easily achieved by means of psychedelic drugs, such as LSD, psilocybin or Cannabinoids.]] < 1249320200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Wikipedia < 1249320298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even think about it < 1249320309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking. < 1249320312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if synaesthesia has no disadvantages, the method of obtaining it probably does < 1249320317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find it amusing when people put things like that in Wikipedia. < 1249320334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain adds "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge." at the end. < 1249320600 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249320611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249320617 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat tyler < 1249321047 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-066-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249321127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249321192 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249321201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat diddi miss < 1249321279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zip, zilch, nada. < 1249321656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:38] <-- ehird has left this server. < 1249321658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:39] --> ehird has joined this channel (n=ehird@91.105.72.107). < 1249321665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't miss those < 1249321686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did you, in fact, go <-- that way, or --> this. < 1249321700 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1249321791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1249322199 0 :nooga!n=nooga@user-89-108-226-84.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1249322222 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1249322234 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to remove all kinds of comments and macros from C/C++ code using regexp < 1249322251 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think it could be done more efficiently without using regexp < 1249322378 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1249322414 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-170-21.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249322436 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the task seems easy < 1249322459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not as easy as you'd expect < 1249322521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: pope < 1249322654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is people doing things like " /* this is not a comment because it's in a string literal */ " < 1249322674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never put /* or */ inside a string, like, ever < 1249322678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a literal < 1249322681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have, in C-INTERCAL < 1249322685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates C code as output < 1249322695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that involves putting all sorts of C-like snippets in string literals, including comments < 1249322699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose < 1249322701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have i guess. < 1249322712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "all kinds of" < 1249322714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess things like < 1249322718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*@javadocstyle*/ < 1249322721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, so, you basically need to parse C. :P < 1249322722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are unlikely to appear in generated code < 1249322727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.C! < 1249322741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :) < 1249322743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I thought javadoc comments /only/ appeared in generated code < 1249322746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Parsec < 1249322746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the code generators add them < 1249322752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Err, what? < 1249322758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1249322759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.C doesn't use Parsec, I think. < 1249322761 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: correct < 1249322761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, no < 1249322763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249322767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Parsec. Thinko. < 1249322767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the template is added by IDEs < 1249322770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249322770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1249322774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :javadocs are used in human-written code < 1249322776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not generated code < 1249322777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 parsers. < 1249322780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only by AnMaster < 1249322798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He may be making a snide claim that Java programmers are just code generators. < 1249322801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you should stop disputing it because every java project uses javadocs < 1249322803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people are too lazy to do that sort of thing < 1249322810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think he's just never read any java code < 1249322813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok, I'm sorry, I'm just used to /really bad/ Java < 1249322817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than good Java < 1249322828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: All Apache Java projects and all Eclipse Java projects are totally full of javadocs. < 1249322837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a whole bunch of independent libraries; pretty much all of them. < 1249322840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the standard libraries. < 1249322852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javadoc is used extensively in Java. < 1249322854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm used to people requiring that the recipient of their Java code install a certain IDE in order to run it < 1249322855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javadoc is kinda sucky, but it's very common. < 1249322864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about as commonly used as *objects* in Java. :P < 1249322865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of really bad Java I mean < 1249322872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's usually sound advice in general, but globally < 1249322878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, using Java without an IDE is suicide < 1249322878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed < 1249322884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in order to compile, maybe < 1249322886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to /run/? < 1249322889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay < 1249322894 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never tried to program java with an ide < 1249322897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly meant in order to code or read < 1249322897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooh < 1249322903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1249322906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, to just build Java without an IDE should be easy. < 1249322906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: yes but trazer doesn't really count. < 1249322910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't need to parse C < 1249322911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got really annoyed at them and went and made a simple GUI wrapper around their program, then put it all in a runnable .jar < 1249322917 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works especially great without one, because you don't have to import explicitly < 1249322917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't almost all Java IDEs use Ant? < 1249322918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and said "this is how you should be distributing your program" < 1249322920 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i haven't made trazer < 1249322926 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have made about a hundred java progs < 1249322926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: you patched! < 1249322932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly progs < 1249322933 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've added a few modules < 1249322935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := one file dealies < 1249322944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not on OS X! < 1249322947 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no with java i usually use multiple files < 1249322960 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's nice to do with java < 1249322962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that I don't use an IDE at all... But Emacs almost certainly counts as an IDE. < 1249322966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: Oh shut up :P < 1249322971 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249322975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you just have an inferior OS on top of your OS because your OS sucks < 1249323001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Multiple. < 1249323011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1249323014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Haskell runtime system could pretty much count as an OS kernel. :P) < 1249323018 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249323047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exaggerates to make ehird's eyes pop out < 1249323062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeh < 1249323073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Consider them pooped. < 1249323075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…poppde. < 1249323078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…popped. < 1249323082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's a funny User-Agent string: "Mozilla/4.1 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Symbian OS; N-Gage;452) Opera 6.20 [en]". It's a Mozilla derivative... except it's MSIE instead... except it's Opera instead. < 1249323106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every browser in existence is a mozilla derivative < 1249323114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, how would websites know it supported frames? < 1249323115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish that we could revise user agents to make sense. < 1249323128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish we could eliminate user agents < 1249323131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249323134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modularise them, rather < 1249323139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we could eliminate users with agents. < 1249323151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the general idea, because e.g. software sites can point you to the version for your OS and the like < 1249323151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe with a comma there. < 1249323167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get abused so much. < 1249323187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by whom < 1249323191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1249323196 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my abs almost never get used < 1249323219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who think "this site only works on IE 6.0" is a good idea. < 1249323247 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that happen? < 1249323252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: maybe you should hang around negative people more often < 1249323255 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was just "this site works on anything but ie" < 1249323266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no < 1249323268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera (9.24 winxp, 9.25 winxp, 6.05 win98) doesn't seem to advertise itself as a Mozilla derivative, let alone IE 5. I think that Symbian-Opera-6 is a bit "special". < 1249323285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera is so bloated it has a whole list of browsers you can tell it to impersonate < 1249323307 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: some streaming services do that, and i've seen at least a few other pages that do it < 1249323309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's that, but I don't think it advertises itself as Opera at all when impersonating really. Not that I've tested. < 1249323316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty ie only sites < 1249323320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just all suck < 1249323351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also plenty IE-only-sites which use that ActiveX stuff somehow. < 1249323367 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i'm talking about useful pages < 1249323368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the suck category already covered that. < 1249323403 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what activex is < 1249323419 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sounds like something nice and useful that everybody hate < 1249323423 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hates < 1249323425 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like flash < 1249323454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: active-x lets you run arbitrary native code in the browser. < 1249323463 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary? :D < 1249323464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit like Java applets, except only for Windows and IE and without the attempt at security. < 1249323464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buggily and slowly, usually. < 1249323468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopil: pretty much yes < 1249323470 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just plain awesome :DD < 1249323474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to OK it of course < 1249323496 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, naturally people would read the executable disassembly before running < 1249323522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1249323607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one Finnish bank (Sampo) made their net-bank's "security solution" to require Java with some native JNI blobs recently, when their computer systems were "streamlined" to conform with Danske Bank, who bought Sampo. < 1249323657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to click his mouse with only pressure on the top bit < 1249323675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is impossible) < 1249323686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stuff was the crazitude; they gave a 100-eur discount for people who had to buy a new computer to access their web-bank. < 1249323716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java applets using JNI... < 1249323724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. < 1249323754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kks.cabal.fi/SampoApplet has a bit of decompilation; it does quite a lot of user-hardware-sniffing, probably to provide some sort of per-machine ID. < 1249323787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail. < 1249323799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://hsivonen.iki.fi/sampo-epic-multifail/ has the full story. < 1249323819 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one ultra megafail < 1249323838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was certainly kind of them to provide a spectacle. < 1249323908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what a spectacle. < 1249323942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially that point where their pages just displayed the short text "404 multifail", you can't get much better even with planning, let alone by accident. < 1249323955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all South Korean banks required to use ActiveX for security? < 1249323974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised any exist at all, given the contradiction there < 1249323995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was at least one Chinese bank requiring ActiveX. < 1249324001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "is", I guess. < 1249324353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21] fizzie: That stuff was the crazitude; they gave a 100-eur discount for people who had to buy a new computer to access their web-bank. < 1249324355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDxDxD < 1249324357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[:1 < 1249324360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1249324362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[1: < 1249324395 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1249324398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it was only when you bought from their partner-computer-salesplace or some-such. < 1249324402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is security so damned hard? < 1249324407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently yes) < 1249324412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security is very easy to get wrong < 1249324419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently so, that it's unknown how easy it is to get right < 1249324460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Se ei ole aukko, kunnes me pystymme itse varmistamaan että se on aukko.” (“It is not a hole until we are able to verify ourselves that it is a hole.”) — Hannu Vuola, head of communications at Sampo Pankki in a later revised news item in Helsingin Sanomat on the topic of a gaping XSS hole in Sampo’s net bank < 1249324460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1249324460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kottke.org/04/07/my-new-policy < 1249324464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a policy that it is not a hole. < 1249324697 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249325018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be an api on the internet that lets you get every page. < 1249325044 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you get every page? < 1249325080 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't seem to understand sentences today. < 1249325098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, like... HTTP? < 1249325128 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more like gopher < 1249325169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything wrong with using openid-provider.appspot.com for my OpenID needs? < 1249325188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, it only supports openid 1 < 1249325193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is unmaintained < 1249325199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1? < 1249325201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1249325204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to 2. < 1249325214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either go with myopenid.com, which is owned by a big openid player < 1249325217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or host your own with phpmyid < 1249325261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to use um, < 1249325272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that died < 1249325290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Don't do that. < 1249325310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Google provides OpenIDs officially now, although crippeldly. < 1249325318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not http, EVERY page < 1249325323 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myopenid.com makes SSL client certificates for you :) < 1249325380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: remember to use a domain you control < 1249325389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1249325390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just set the openid in a yadis file w/ http header, or in the html < 1249325394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you use another provider < 1249325395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way < 1249325398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your provider dies < 1249325400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just switch over < 1249325403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the same id < 1249325421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, good point < 1249325455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so easy for, say, Joe the Plumber, though < 1249325463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joe the plumber? < 1249325471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: NOBODY'S JOE THE PLUMBER < 1249325471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ni < 1249325499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who only have like 3 accounts; they don't need openid. there are people who have a bunch of accounts but can't set up their own domain; they will use one of the providers directly. < 1249325503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's everyone else. < 1249325517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment, the second group barely uses openid < 1249325525 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably wordpress plugins and whatever for it to make it easier, anyway < 1249325558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right someone who has a wordpress blog they can put plugins on falls in the third category < 1249325706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1249325711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's bicycles and unicycles and tricycles < 1249325735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a nilcycle < 1249325740 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called a stick < 1249325742 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1249325747 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fast < 1249325765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just assumed that you were going to say quadricycle for some reason < 1249325772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fast how oklopil xD < 1249325779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway no < 1249325780 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it only made sense as a correct guess of what you'd say. < 1249325782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stick can't get you places < 1249325801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the others can < 1249325801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie a carrot to the stick and it can get you to places. < 1249325811 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a pogo stick < 1249325812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean like < 1249325814 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called < 1249325816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to have pedals < 1249325818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them have pedals < 1249325818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two pedals < 1249325822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm thinking that these pedals, like < 1249325825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift it off the air a bit < 1249325826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the energy < 1249325827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then back down < 1249325833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically a pogo stick except you pedal < 1249325837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can turn < 1249325859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the challenge is not lunging forwards and hitting your head on the ground < 1249325865 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn with a pogo stick < 1249325895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1249325897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with handlebars < 1249325933 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you turn with it the same way you do with a unicycle, so i'd count it < 1249325943 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah pedals should probably exist. < 1249325960 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unicycles don't usually have hb's < 1249325974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1249325982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a unicycle that's really a bicycle with just one wheel < 1249325993 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249326045 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo just assumed that you were going to say quadricycle for some reason <<< you just don't know ehird < 1249326052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1249326063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway for a nilcycle you just take a bike-unicycle and remove the wheel, then hook the pedals up to like... a fan that spins really fast to lift you up a little bit < 1249326076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the handlebars move around the thing holding the fan < 1249326076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't paying full attention to the chat < 1249326079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mafia's addicting < 1249326117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Mafia's addictin < 1249326118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1249326119 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60| Mafia's addictin < 1249326120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert last < 1249326121 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1249326123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1249326124 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1249326124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1249326125 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1249326138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 168 < 1249326139 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1249326140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Mafia's addicting < 1249326142 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60| Mafia's addicting < 1249326145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...arbitrary code? < 1249326181 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1249326208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the point. < 1249326215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what < 1249326221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of HackEgo. < 1249326227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249326235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LOL RM -RF / GREGOR MUST BE STOOPID < 1249326264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 1 < 1249326265 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1249326276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1249326277 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ paste \ quotes \ tmpdir.25063 < 1249326288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1249326292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 169 < 1249326293 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1249326296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1249326298 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.25131 < 1249326303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1249326305 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1249326307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`who < 1249326308 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1249326312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1249326318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/passwd\ < 1249326319 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1249326321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/passwd < 1249326322 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1249326329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wtg Sgeo < 1249326333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1249326334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..what constitutes output? < 1249326334 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ quote \ runfor \ strfile \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1249326336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1249326337 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1249326339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /etc < 1249326340 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives < 1249326342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatyres? < 1249326343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1249326343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stdout < 1249326346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatures? < 1249326355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ~/bin/creatures < 1249326357 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1249326357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/creatures < 1249326358 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/creatures < 1249326369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`creatures User:Sgeo < 1249326371 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ I'm the one who created this project. Known as Sgeo almost everywhere I'm known, one place as Oegs, and one place as Sgeo2. < 1249326384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1249326392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if there's too much output? < 1249326397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`creatures Norn < 1249326399 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ Norns (Cyberlifogenis cutis) are a [9]species of [10]creature, created by the [11]Shee to entertain them and serve [12]tea and [13]biscuits. They were [14]genetically engineered on the disc-shaped planet [15]Albia. Many were abandoned there as the [16]Shee took off in their spaceship, the [17]Ark (although they took a few of < 1249326405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes < 1249326407 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1249326419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run creatures Norn | paste < 1249326420 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13876 < 1249326448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one place I'm known as Oegs is now dead < 1249326466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1249326468 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1249326470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /proc < 1249326472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 10253 \ 10254 \ 10256 \ 10258 \ 10259 \ 10265 \ 10319 \ 10322 \ 10326 \ 10327 \ 10329 \ 104 \ 105 \ 10562 \ 10563 \ 11057 \ 11069 \ 11074 \ 11457 \ 1149 \ 11501 \ 11753 \ 11772 \ 11776 \ 12046 \ 1291 \ 13928 \ 13946 \ 13948 \ 1418 \ 1421 \ 14617 \ 14636 \ 14640 \ 1486 \ 15310 \ 15316 \ 15317 \ 15318 \ 15324 \ 15325 \ 15543 < 1249326478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /proc | paste < 1249326479 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25089 < 1249326493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run url <(ls /proc) < 1249326494 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//dev/fd/63 < 1249326496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1249326619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually clicked on that last link, just because I was curious as to what codu's reaction would be < 1249326627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1249326629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: dev/fd/63@b7f832f99b43: not found in manifest < 1249326637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just looking it up in the hg repository < 1249327413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1249327417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hatches an evil plan < 1249327421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An evil FUN plan! < 1249327475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commit the hg repo into itself? < 1249327505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1249327520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a little software ditty that makes a virtual screen on your network and lets you connect via vnc < 1249327530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := iphone + old mac can be extra screenies < 1249327655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly not ones of any great size, but. < 1249327813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249327938 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249327974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird ehird MONAD NOMAD < 1249327987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, it's a nomad. < 1249327991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd the topic go? < 1249328002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like big eths and I cannot lie, you other esolangers can't deny | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249328139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not showing up here. < 1249328145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249328152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i got an apartment! :D < 1249328204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1249328214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm screenrecycler doesn't appear to let you change the res < 1249328224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249328228 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249328231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic now < 1249328321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the vnc works... slowly < 1249328397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1249328401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive decided im going to get into < 1249328405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woodworking. < 1249328406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1249328418 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you built your own apartment < 1249328423 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambitious! < 1249328424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i thought you already worked wood < 1249328425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, studio craft < 1249328426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BADUM TISH < 1249328428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1249328435 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh ill work your wood alright) < 1249328439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puzzlebox making < 1249328445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the joke < 1249328449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1249328450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1249328461 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was the reply. < 1249328476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implied a sexual overture < 1249328517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1249328518 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzleboxes < 1249328528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in hellraiser :X < 1249328532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast similar < 1249328683 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249328744 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: was about to ask if your head was riddled with pins < 1249328754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not sir < 1249328766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, pinhead doesnt make the lament configurations < 1249328769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh fuck iphone, I'ma using mah old crt < 1249328769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the engineer makes them. < 1249328770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1249328776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually slower < 1249328777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249328787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its advantage is being plugged in to ethernet and having perhiphrials of course < 1249328801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*peripherals < 1249328847 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249329080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Speaking of phones, I'm trying out ssh+irssi with this N-Gage. The horror! < 1249329089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1249329142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes about 30 of complete ui-hangup to process the ssh key. < 1249329188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? < 1249329211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249329225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? < 1249329227 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :61| Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? < 1249329356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34x26 characters with a 4x6 font. < 1249329357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : only by AnMaster <-- even when reading the context I'm not sure if you mean A) Adding javadoc to generated code. B) NOT doing A. C) Adding javadoc to hand written code. < 1249329380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He means flying. < 1249329381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant C, but I doubt it matters < 1249329383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In to the sky. < 1249329388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah :) < 1249329395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I ran into both sorts of code < 1249329425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than me certainly add doxygen/javadoc/edoc/ < 1249329433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others* < 1249329435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1249329500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you corrected it and it's still wrong < 1249329514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Takes about 30 [seconds] of complete ui-hangup to process the ssh key. <-- sounds to me like either slow or severely overloaded host for the ssh server? < 1249329527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or… it's a fuckin' mobile phone! < 1249329534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sshing *to* a phone? < 1249329535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From ~'04. < 1249329540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1249329569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know a vnc client for mac os 9? < 1249329596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, iirc the client part doesn't need to do as much processing as the server side. < 1249329599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot where I read that < 1249329630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know enough about the protocol details to be able to confirm/deny it. < 1249329655 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249330220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody? < 1249330633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just wondering what the hell you plan to do. VNC *server* I could have understood. < 1249330639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: no idea of such a software < 1249330653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a program that creates a virtual screen and exposes it via VNC. < 1249330666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := Who doesn't want an extra 800x600 of realestate running on a slow OS on a loud computer? < 1249330668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to use a CRT for it? < 1249330681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I have, man. < 1249330689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried my iPhone. < 1249330695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mouse/keyboard didn't work and it was slow. < 1249330706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try googling? < 1249330712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make your mouse into an 800x600 screen? < 1249330725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: optical mice can control the brightness of the laser they use to illuminate the table below them < 1249330726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: …what? < 1249330730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did I say mouse? < 1249330731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can also tell where they are, due to being mice < 1249330731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1249330733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots. < 1249330737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mouse/keyboard didn't work and it was slow. < 1249330748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in theory, you could get an optical mouse and move it around in midair really quickly < 1249330750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18] ehird: Well, I tried my iPhone. < 1249330751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: Mouse/keyboard didn't work and it was slow. < 1249330753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^2/[2/ < 1249330763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could project a screen onto the surface below it < 1249330766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 is trying to joke < 1249330771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1249330772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons this doesn't work: no mouse is that fast and accurate < 1249330775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that could work for vector graphics < 1249330781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, optical mice are sort of obsolete < 1249330790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, they're still common regardless < 1249330797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1249330800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's replacing them? < 1249330805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laser mice < 1249330810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're similar but work on every surface < 1249330813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't see their beam < 1249330817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most new mice that aren't especially marketed to gamers seems to be optical ones still < 1249330818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1249330826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do the same thing just with visible light, and use the same trick < 1249330835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get an invisible screen! < 1249330842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1249330850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it on a flourescent surface that makes the beam visible < 1249330853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1249330855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more zen this way < 1249330867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, put it in public and "show" pornography on it < 1249330875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get to edgily challenge the law and be an artist in one go! < 1249330879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except nobody would notice. < 1249330885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... how would the mouse be moved? By the user still? < 1249330901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so he/she would basically draw his/her own screen and decide what is on it < 1249330906 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-68.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1249330907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a machine if you want to have any hope at it < 1249330911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... clearly mice need motors to move around < 1249330912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I guess you track the position of the mouse < 1249330915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd have to oscillate between two positions < 1249330915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... < 1249330918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredibly quickly < 1249330920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, programs can move the mouse pointer < 1249330928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :light only active when it is supposed to draw something < 1249330931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't move the mouse too, clearly you have a leaky correspondence < 1249330937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the user moves it back and forth to let it fill in < 1249330947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think you understand < 1249330951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you move away the light is gone < 1249330965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1249330968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mousepad is smaller than your screen < 1249330973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you backtrack to start moving again often < 1249330977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effect will be rather like, one of those special papers where you use a pencil on the side to draw and they used some special surface to make it stick better to some areas < 1249330977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a 1:1 mapping already < 1249330980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249330981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mouse acceleration < 1249330988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a flourescent surface of course < 1249330990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: some people literally can't access the parts of their screen that don't correspond to locations for the mouse < 1249330997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need a ball then to track without making it flourescent < 1249330999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't realise they can pick the mouse up and move it elsewhere < 1249331000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two balls in fact < 1249331004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not literally can't < 1249331007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're physically capable < 1249331008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as in, don't know how < 1249331011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to track orientation too < 1249331017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, understand now? < 1249331018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I was calling out your misuse of "literally" < 1249331022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally means literally < 1249331027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my 'mousepad' is bigger than my screen < 1249331031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can aim for the corners and sides easily < 1249331035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you're asking about two balls ask augur < 1249331038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1249331043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, two *balls in mice* < 1249331044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If they're mentally incapable they literally can't do it. < 1249331044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, play Enigma < 1249331046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk hyuk hyuk < 1249331057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they're able, they just haven't thought of it < 1249331087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I.e. they're not able < 1249331100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your definition of able is fucked up < 1249331102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to track mouse orientation and position so it can use the laser on the flourescent surface only, needs balls to track position with laser turned off < 1249331106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't jumped out of a window today < 1249331113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i am perfectly able of doing so < 1249331128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm using a private SSH key; it's the decrypting of that which takes the 30 seconds, I think, since it hangs up immediately after giving it a passphrase, and then unhangs at the moment it starts sending packets out (sez tcpdump) to the SSH server. < 1249331138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in question are unable without outside assistance < 1249331146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, decrypting the private key? :D < 1249331181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also hang up? as in closing the TCP connection? < 1249331184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: your definition of able sucks < 1249331193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that supposed to work... < 1249331193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not unable; they could do it by mistake < 1249331197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just haven't thought of it < 1249331199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that, or doing whatever the SSH protocol needs to have be done with the key, I don't really know the details. TCP doesn't mind a pause of half a minute, the UI just is unresponsive that long. < 1249331218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I suppose you're also capable of proving Fermat's last theorem, since you could if somebody told you how? < 1249331225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with "hang up" you don't mean a TCP RST package? < 1249331241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't respond to analogies that don't actually analogise properly < 1249331242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. Maybe I should've used "locks up" there. Hanging up would make it rather unusable. < 1249331294 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249331297 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Seems like the same thing to me, but whatever. < 1249331325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you may be right, it just sits badly with me < 1249331342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that :-P < 1249331373 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@81.49.247.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249331470 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249331513 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249331549 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1249331567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1249331573 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1249331608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the dangeroos? < 1249331611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1249331625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: No. Maybe I should've used "locks up" there. Hanging up would make it rather unusable. < 1249331627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant, good analogy in fact... < 1249331629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, ah < 1249331631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if anything was missed there < 1249331637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in either direction) < 1249331641 0 :mycrofti1!n=drabgah@h69-128-47-245.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249331643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1249331701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of your lines I never saw. < 1249331993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1249331994 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1249332120 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249332185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249332295 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249332393 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249332648 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p57B187B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249333788 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249333951 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249334023 0 :oklopil!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249334119 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249334638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249334648 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249334662 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249334999 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249336347 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249336562 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249336768 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1249336784 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-9-207.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249337957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249338008 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249338368 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249339090 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249339743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this desk is so stupid with its sharp end of the keyboard stand thing < 1249339746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it curved < 1249339748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poor arms < 1249340258 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1249340705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portability makes programming unfun, I've decided < 1249340747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: Haskell. < 1249340762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to lower-level sort of programming ofc < 1249340767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and other high-level languages, but those are less awesome. :P) < 1249340783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without portability you can embed machine code, use hardcoded addresses, poke registers, use hardware without abstraction layers and generally poke all around < 1249340789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. C++ and down, portability? < 1249340793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :layers of abstraction are inherently more limited and thus less fun < 1249340801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a royal bitch. < 1249340803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact the best situation is when there's only one model < 1249340806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same speeds of everything < 1249340812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use precise timing, talk about how fast things are in literal terms < 1249340813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1249340840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, portability in those languages is not merely unfun, it is the antifun. < 1249340847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…which brings me to my point: i want an OLPC so I can hack with Forth on openfirmware :) < 1249340853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that chiclet keyboard looks unfun. < 1249340861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've read negative things about the olpc people < 1249340863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. wrt windows < 1249340872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I buy an olpc from the company before they did that? < 1249340872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to just deal with different UNIXes is a PITA. < 1249340883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay you can't really buy it but. < 1249340890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I offer Autotools as proof of that) < 1249340964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lead to my revelation: being on an island and having a vis— wait, that was John. What I meant to say was http://lukego.livejournal.com/8427.html. < 1249341048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, you can buy an olpc but for >$300 since you have to buy an extra one for some stupid kid in africa :-P < 1249341082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're not even doing that program any more < 1249341083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uber lame < 1249341155 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249341382 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249341551 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249341806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1249341845 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249342971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth is a wonderful language < 1249343078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's the solution to my JIT-in-assembler woes! < 1249343082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the core OS in Forth! < 1249343098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1249343256 0 :mycrofti1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroftiv < 1249343273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mycroftiv. < 1249343474 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hey there < 1249343577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth is awesome, don't you agree? < 1249343642 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent used it personally so i dont actually have an opinion on forth, really < 1249343688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extremely minimal implementation, unifying paradigm/execution mechanism and extreme flexibility; with the flexibility not only being idiomatic but pretty much The Way To Do It. < 1249343695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good mix to me. < 1249343738 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like a lot of the concepts, the reflexivity and integrating compilation with the main environment < 1249343775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like that it brings such expressiveness to real-time hackery of low-level hardware. < 1249343856 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandfather started me out on RPN with this ancient hewlett-packard calculator that cost probably 500 million dollars in the late 60s currency he bought it with, but i still havent quite learned to parse that kind of stack based stuff as well as i should by eye < 1249343953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: the nice thing about forth is that it doesn't generally read like rpn < 1249343968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of parsing words that can read ahead and the general natural language formation