00:16:08 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:19:26 ehird, there? 00:19:30 or ais523 00:19:36 I just had an idea for a new game 00:19:48 i'm not here 00:19:50 3D chess. 00:19:52 I am here 00:19:53 except 00:19:54 AnMaster: been done 00:19:57 not the usual 3d board 00:20:00 but in a cube 00:20:04 with the side 8 00:20:10 ais523, has that been done too? 00:20:10 booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring 00:20:11 4x4x4 apparently works better 00:20:12 with os 00:20:16 ais523, hm interesting 00:20:28 ais523, know a link to it? 00:20:34 no, I read it in a book 00:20:38 it's probably on the internet anyway, though 00:22:38 4^3 = 8^2 00:24:14 thanks, oerjan :P 00:24:54 4^3 = 1^6 00:25:06 same number of fields but distances would be shorter... 00:28:39 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:36:40 uhh 4^3 doesn't really = 1^6 :P 00:36:52 i mean really as in an exaggeration…opposite thing 00:36:53 there 00:36:56 instead of like 00:37:00 "it isn't really that, it's this" 00:37:00 night 00:37:12 i am suspecting ais523 of a C joke, there 00:37:53 tru dat 00:42:38 -!- augur has joined. 00:47:19 hi augur 00:47:27 hey man 00:48:50 a man? eating hay? 00:48:51 nonsense 00:51:02 aye, nae may i 01:00:59 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:09:03 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:17:49 -!- ehird has quit. 01:30:04 -!- ehird has joined. 01:32:28 * ehird takes a look at Vala 01:36:51 oklopol: y'know how you said guis suck to point at icons and shit so they should just look pretty instead? i think you'd like http://www.launchy.net/#screenshots 01:37:03 (idea credit quicksilver, gnome do, blah blah blah 50 billion fucking clones) 02:17:01 -!- Slereah has quit. 02:27:00 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:28:16 -!- augur has joined. 02:32:08 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 02:56:39 -!- ehird has quit. 03:03:24 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:18:11 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 03:20:55 -!- dbc has joined. 03:21:27 -!- Pthing has joined. 03:39:44 ehird: quicksilver <3 03:40:00 i just wish it wasnt so fucking glitchy 04:05:05 glio 04:16:22 ais523: 4^3 = 1^6 <<< 2^4 would've been better, so you get both (\(a, b) -> (a^2, b-1)) and xor 04:17:00 i mean 1^6 is pretty arbitrary isn't it 04:17:09 anyway need to pack :| 04:17:10 -> 04:32:58 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 05:40:43 -!- oklopol has quit (Connection timed out). 05:48:28 -!- augur_ has joined. 05:48:28 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:04:18 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Connection timed out). 06:04:59 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 07:00:06 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:07:03 -!- beinghuman has joined. 07:07:49 what is this? 07:08:52 WHAT IS LOVE 07:09:31 a chemical illusion 07:09:41 baby don't hurt me 07:10:07 dont hurt me 07:10:07 http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p4__288610_Business_Supplies_1_10051_SC3:CG71:DP4118:CL161747 07:10:08 no more 07:10:10 I'm getting that laptop 07:10:12 what do you think? 07:10:14 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 07:14:48 -!- beinghuman has left (?). 07:23:23 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:41:17 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:43:17 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 09:11:39 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 09:51:36 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:03:02 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:22:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 10:58:50 -!- Xiin has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:19:17 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 11:29:13 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:30:18 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:00:03 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:03:05 -!- Xiin has joined. 12:20:22 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:27:26 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 12:27:27 -!- MigoMipo_ has joined. 12:40:00 -!- MigoMipo_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:52:18 -!- ehird has joined. 13:53:48 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:56:57 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:01:05 "Traditionally, Mac OS has been a fairly secure operating system. Mac OS X, however, introduced a UNIX underpinning that is more vulnerable to security holes than Mac users are accustomed to." 14:01:09 Crazy, crazy pepole. 14:01:12 *people 14:01:48 19:39:44 ehird: quicksilver <3 14:01:48 19:40:00 i just wish it wasnt so fucking glitchy 14:01:48 totally 14:22:57 does anyone here know of any decent free tools for removing mains hum from music recordings? 14:24:16 yet another problem with this laptop means that you have to record things at low volume or the recording doesn't work 14:24:22 and I stupidly forgot to disconnect the power cable 14:25:56 you can hear it hum when charging? wow 14:26:02 ehird: no 14:26:05 ais523: just use a lowpass or something 14:26:07 I recorded on a mains-powered system 14:26:09 or a highpass 14:26:11 or that sort of ilk 14:26:14 ehird: you mean highpass 14:26:17 yeah yeah 14:26:31 unfortunately, music quite possibly often goes below 50 Hz, after all it's not that low 14:26:38 middle C is about 256 Hz 14:26:58 ideally, you'd want a tool which worked out what the constant mains hum was, and subtracted it 14:27:02 give it a try anyway 14:27:05 audacity can do that shit in seconds 14:27:54 actually, a notch filter might work, if there is one 14:28:14 remove everything that's exactly 50 Hz, while leaving everything else (in theory; the practice is trickier, but audacity probably knows about the issues) 14:28:54 ais523: you can probably do that using Audacity's programming language (at least that's what I recall it is) Nyquist 14:29:04 ehird: or two filters 14:29:09 otoh there's probably a way to say remove 50hz-50hz 14:29:53 well, I installed audacity, and its man page told me what I should be using instead 14:29:55 so I'm installing sox too 14:30:27 ais523: how did it say that? 14:30:45 ehird: the man page basically said "if you want to do simple batch audio editing, use sox" 14:30:55 it's just one file, isn't it? 14:30:58 no, lots 14:31:00 ah 14:31:13 if it was one file, audacity would almost certainly be simpler and quicker 14:31:13 SoX looks like ImageMagick but for sound 14:31:17 yeah 14:31:33 ais523: *GraphicsMagick? 14:31:49 I thought it was called ImageMagick 14:31:59 it is, GraphicsMagick is a fork 14:32:03 but apparently is like, the focus 14:32:05 and so does its man page 14:32:31 ais523: sort of like if esr kept updating C-INTERCAL but with only rubbish changes 14:32:39 i gather is the argument 14:32:43 heh, he was doing that for a while 14:32:46 ha 14:32:51 there you go then 14:33:14 ais523: so ais523/C-INTERCAL is based on an older esr/? 14:33:25 no, I just reverted most of them 14:33:31 not deliberately, just more or less by chance 14:33:36 as they were to files I subsequently deleted 14:33:52 I like the idea of forking from old versions 14:34:14 like version 3 of some software was good, version 4 was okay but then they made really crap changes in version 5 14:34:18 so everyone just forked version 3 14:34:30 like, there, version 4 becomes a black hole 14:34:32 heh, I wonder if anyone forked the old version of Amarok? 14:34:35 you don't use it if you like the changes 14:34:39 because there's version 5 14:34:48 but if you hate the changes, you either use version 3 or the fork 14:34:56 ais523: I don't get why people whined about the new amarok 14:35:04 I haven't used it, but the only bit that looks stupid is the overlapped button thing 14:35:07 I never used the old one, so I have no way to compare 14:35:24 The old one was… eh… very KDE 3. 14:35:36 it doesn't really do what I want it to do (I prefer things that just play sound rather than trying to manage files), but it's the only program I've found that plays sound on KDE 14:35:47 for some reason, things like Totem were silent there last I checked 14:35:53 maybe that's fixed itself (i.e. via updates) now 14:35:55 ais523: I like using a music library, personally 14:36:01 I don't think that's really a violation of the unix philosophy 14:36:05 You can easily outsource the actual playing 14:36:05 I have all my music stored in a filesystem already 14:36:14 and don't feel the need to re-sort it 14:36:20 did I dispute that? 14:36:25 no, you didn't 14:36:25 I was just pointing out that music libraries aren't inherently bad 14:36:29 I don't think they are 14:36:32 OK 14:40:59 they're the sort of thing that I have no problem with other people using, but don't think are particularly suited to me 14:43:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:05:45 ugh, the mains distortion wasn't a sine wave 15:06:02 so it isn't sufficient to filter out 50 Hz, you need to filter out every multiple of it too... 15:06:04 ais523: it's the riemann zeta function! 15:06:07 also, err 15:06:12 that's a lot of hertzes :p 15:06:16 *:P 15:06:20 yep 15:06:25 I'll just try the lowest 10 or so, to see what happens 15:09:15 "The energy comes from Genie Magic, which as I understand is infinite." 15:11:11 well, filtering the first 5 multiples of 50 Hz seems to have about halved the volume of the mains hum 15:11:21 clearly you must do it again! 15:11:21 wait. 15:11:37 nah, the mains hum now has a different timbre 15:12:01 which is to be expected if you cut out some multiples but not otheres 15:12:02 *others 15:12:06 ais523: how long are all these files? 15:12:08 together 15:12:14 maybe about 10 minutes 15:12:22 you know it might be quicker to re-record them, right? :P 15:12:25 but I may end up recording more the same way in the future 15:12:33 and no, the issue is that the source I recorded from isn't easily reproducible 15:12:37 surely it isn't hard to unplug the laptop 15:12:40 and okay 15:12:41 which is the reason I recorded them in the first place 15:12:51 the only example springing to mind is radio 15:13:27 ah, filtering out multiples of 50 Hz up to 500 Hz works great 15:13:36 the mains hum is still there, but your brain filters it out after a couple of seconds 15:13:41 and it couldn't before that 15:13:49 if it WAS radio, i'd just filter out everything outside of radio's frequencies 15:14:01 50 is inside radio frequencies 15:14:05 darn 15:14:29 it's between 3 and 4 octaves below middle C; rather low, but not so massively low that nobody ever uses it 15:15:16 ooh, of course, it might not be my brain filtering it out, but rather the filtering getting better the more data it has 15:15:35 easy way to find out 15:15:45 ais523: find two near-identical parts of the song 15:15:48 one from the start and one from the end 15:15:52 run a script that randomises them 15:15:56 and you have to guess which it is 15:16:03 repeat with multiple samples for SCIENCE 15:16:08 oh, my solution would be to produce a spectogram, and watch to see if the hum line actually faded on the picture 15:16:13 *spectrogram 15:16:15 that's boring man. 15:16:38 That's a boring man. 15:16:46 ais523: it might be hiding in other frequencies, too! 15:17:02 ehird: if it isn't a multiple of 50, then it isn't UK mains hum 15:17:02 also, even if it's there, if you can't hear it it doesn't really matter 15:17:07 ais523: shush :P 15:17:18 and agreed, if I can't hear it it doesn't matter 15:17:19 so I'm happy 15:17:57 although by that logic i shouldn't use lossless compression 15:17:59 but i like it, so bah 15:18:36 well, I'm keeping the originals too 15:18:48 the advantage of lossless compression is that if you want to do further processing, it's better than the lossy version 15:19:23 yes, but i store unprocessed lossless music 15:19:26 e.g. it's common for instruments to be recorded in stereo but vocals in mono, so by subtracting one channel from the other you can often remove the lyrics from a song 15:19:35 just because i have the disk space, and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy 15:19:46 ehird: well, storing both lossless /and/ lossy would be a waste 15:19:51 no duh :P 15:22:00 wow, the little tick sound of my trackball is produced by the mouse's clicky thingy (like an ipod) 15:22:02 not the wheel itself 15:22:05 well, ball 15:22:10 same as the side grip buttons 15:22:22 i discovered this because it's just run out of battery :P 15:22:30 ok, so the mouse makes click noises when you turn the trackball, to make it feel more realistic? 15:22:55 just for feedback, I think 15:23:07 for instance, gripping the side buttons (they're not actual buttons) while it's off doesn't feel right 15:23:12 they never click, it doesn't feel like you're doing it right 15:23:19 while it's on, it makes a little click noise and feels fine 15:23:30 similarly, it felt like the ball was broken 15:23:33 like, not touching the contact point 15:23:46 this reminds me of the first fanless computers 15:23:57 in the end they had to attach a noisy fan to them which did nothing, because everyone assumed they were broken 15:24:02 hehe 15:24:05 the original macintosh was fanless 15:24:12 as well as every macintosh until the somethingorother (SE?) 15:24:16 well, maybe first fanless PCs 15:24:19 yeah 15:24:23 people added fans to the macintosh tho 15:24:27 cause it overheated a lot 15:24:28 a fan just helps so much in getting processor density down 15:24:30 breaking components 15:24:48 it's density and speed that cause components to heat up 15:24:49 ais523: yeah, it's amazing how much cooler everything gets with just one fan 15:24:50 well, density up, size down 15:25:03 erm 15:25:11 ais523: the more dense the cooler, no? 15:25:12 like 15:25:16 when 45nm chips were the new thing 15:25:22 everyone was going "it needs less voltage and runs cooler" 15:25:39 that's because being smaller lets you make better designs 15:25:43 also, can use less power 15:25:45 heh 15:25:49 I think 15:25:53 as in, you can run it on a lower current 15:26:06 computers use microamps anyway, sometimes even nanoamps, for most of the internal circuitry 15:26:09 clearly what we need is reversible computers, which can do any operation without heating 15:26:26 of course, that uses a ton of memory, and you pay off big time with setting registers 15:26:28 did you know that all quantum computers are reversible 15:26:37 ais523: impossible 15:26:39 they're TC 15:26:41 because there's no known way to power them otherwise 15:26:41 well 15:26:43 given infinite memory 15:26:53 ehird: yes, you can be both TC and reversible given infinite memory 15:26:59 oh, ofc 15:27:10 ais523: so you have to restart a quantum computer after doing a heavy decryption task? :D 15:27:23 ehird: you have to restart it after reading any of its output 15:27:27 ha 15:27:28 i presume the resetting of all the qubits gives off a shitload of heat 15:27:33 because that causes the whole thing to decohere to a known state 15:27:47 i feel sorry for all the guys in the backwater universes 15:27:49 then, once you've read its output, you blank it by xoring the output to its current state 15:27:52 their quantum computers never work 15:28:34 rotating values is one of the fundamental operations in quantum computers, it's sort of like xor but with complex numbers 15:28:40 and unary 15:28:51 there's a binary xor-like operation too, it's actually the only binary operation they use 15:29:20 "I am diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome. AMA" ← pfft, as if. you didn't even say "fuckshit" once! 15:29:30 ais523: but i assume that the resetting is very hot? 15:29:42 well, no, the resetting is reversible 15:29:48 it's probably the collapsing that generates heat 15:30:02 yeah 15:30:09 you reset a quantum computer by working out a reversible operation that gets it from its current state to its initial state 15:30:25 ooh, I think I know how this works 15:30:26 it's a shame that room-temperature quantum computers look unlikely 15:30:36 most operations happen in all the parallel universes, but the collapsing only happens in one 15:30:49 thus you don't generate nearly as much heat 15:31:08 and tbh, even near-absolute-zero quantum computers would be great, if they had decent storage space 15:31:25 you'd use them as a coprocessor, quantum computers are awful at doing things like conditionals 15:31:42 you have to do them the same way Knuth did conditionals in INTERCAL, by faking them using arithmetic 15:32:35 ais523: ahem 15:32:41 sec 15:32:41 program flow has to be deterministic in a quantum computer, but that doesn't prevent it being TC 15:33:00 ais523: there's a 128-qubit computer 15:33:07 ah, great 15:33:12 last I heard, the record was 7 15:33:22 produced by D-Wave Systems: http://www.dwavesys.com/ 15:33:24 really, a few kiloqubits will be enough to do certain practical calculations, I think 15:33:29 bloggity blog with pictures and stuff: http://dwave.wordpress.com/ 15:33:33 maybe a few tens 15:33:38 of kiloqubits 15:33:47 ais523: well 15:33:57 "Putting all of these qubits into superposition states — the initial Hamiltonian in the adiabatic algorithm — gives 2^128 ~ 3 x 10^38 simultaneously held states. Not quite the number of atoms in the earth, but close." 15:34:14 yes, impressive, although I'd be more interested if they managed actual calculations 15:34:15 i think you're overestimating how much would be needed 15:34:20 ais523: they do 15:34:24 they sell quantum computers 15:34:26 like, for money 15:34:37 admittedly, 7 digit money 15:34:41 but money nonetheless 15:34:50 the 128-qubit chips are still being tested though 15:34:56 ehird: things like factorising prime numbers used in cryptography need a number of qubits similar to the number of bits needed to do the calculations when you already know the answer 15:34:57 iirc there's a research department that has one of their computers, probably some others too 15:35:17 ais523: hmm 15:35:20 so if you want to break, say, a 4096-bit privkey, you're going to need about 4 kiloqubits 15:35:48 quantum computing is so disappointing, you look at it and you're all, wow, this is amazing, this will change everything 15:35:50 then all the caveats :D 15:36:04 "cannot massively reduce complexity. requires an unreasonable number of qubits." 15:36:09 it's a weird style of programming 15:36:11 "also, you've got a fridge, right?" 15:36:15 "like. a really good fridge." 15:36:20 "we're talking absolute zero here." 15:36:24 you can do ginormous numbers of calculations in parallel, but only get the result of one of them 15:36:43 but there are ways to manipulate the probabilities so that the one you get is decently likely to be the one you actually want 15:36:56 heh 15:37:01 IIRC, all nontrivial quantum computations can return /any/ answer, but good algorithms will return the one you actually want with a high probability 15:37:13 and you check on a classical computer, then repeat if the quantum computer got it wrong 15:37:33 ais523: I'd just run the quantum computer N times until we get the same result N times 15:37:44 you never know that a classical computer doesn't suffer random corruption, too 15:37:50 and this way is… faster 15:38:23 heh, fair enough 15:38:37 ais523: incidentally, on http://dwave.wordpress.com/page/2/, it looks like a regular silicon chip (sans die package thing) 15:38:38 it's not random corruption, it's just ending up in the wrong universe 15:38:42 like, solid-state 15:38:46 how does it differ from that? 15:38:56 because i know solid-state quantum computing is new-fangled and this ain't it 15:38:56 ehird: it almost certainly /is/ solid state, just with different chemicals used 15:39:06 ais523: so that article about the first solid state quantum computer was bullshit? 15:39:08 well, as in the packaging is solid state 15:39:13 even if the part that does stuff isn't 15:39:18 ah 15:39:32 it's like, you put the computer inside a silicon chip because that's an easy environment to make the connections to it 15:40:48 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 15:41:45 we should hijack a universe without any life and use it for computation. 15:41:53 us as in #esoteric 15:42:15 I read a short story about that 15:42:30 where an advanced society had invented a sort of teleporter to and from alternative universes 15:42:42 and were giving people their own Earths, in which life had never developed, to live on 15:43:04 eventually they ran into people from alternative universes in which life /had/ developed, which were doing the same thing 15:43:42 who says other universes have to obey our physics? :P 15:44:11 I think they picked ones that did 15:44:17 after all, they were ones in which Earth existed 15:44:23 just never developed life for whatever reason 15:45:17 of course, observing a universe with different physics is nonsensical 15:45:28 let alone going there 15:51:27 [[IAmA scientist, minister, and atheist, I've started a Christian sect for reality-based people - AMA]] // …thus bringing the definition of the word "Christian" to all-new realms of semantic meaninglessness? 15:51:41 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:51:44 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 15:51:45 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 15:52:09 ehird: A Christian sect for atheists? Wow. 15:52:18 pikhq: seems to be a Thomas Jefferson-style thing 15:52:25 "Jesus was a nice guy, let's be like him and help each other, 'kay?" 15:52:30 but that's not really christianity. 15:52:38 I could've sworn the monotheism was one of the few things that Christians agreed with each other on. :P 15:52:40 I suppose you can be atheist and yet agree with many of the teachings of christianity 15:52:47 also, it kind of falls flat if you're trying to drop the belief/faith 15:52:50 ais523: But that's not Christianity. 15:52:55 pikhq: yes 15:52:56 because there's basically no evidence that jesus historically existed 15:53:05 so that's pretty much the dumbest idea i've heard all day. 15:53:21 ehird: Jesus turns up in many religions 15:53:27 although they all have slightly different versions of events 15:53:33 is there a point to that sentence? 15:53:51 I think Christianity specifically believes he died and was resurrected, whereas several others don't 15:54:13 he most likely didn't even exist, though 15:54:33 ais523: That's pretty much the defining aspect of Christianity. 15:54:34 personally I'd be surprised if Jesus was an entirely invented character 15:54:37 pikhq: yep 15:54:46 ais523: I think it's possible he was a minor cult leader or something 15:55:07 Though other Abrahamic religions describe him as a great prophet. 15:55:09 but if he did exist, from the historical silence on him, he almost certainly wasn't anything like the character in the bible 15:55:26 (perhaps just reused to peddle a new religion?) 15:57:55 anyho. 15:57:57 *anyhow 23:04:09 -!- clog has joined. 23:04:09 -!- clog has joined. 23:05:59 okay, now, clog and everyone else 23:06:05 i am going to paste every line since clog exited 23:06:09 you're most welcome 23:07:03 * oerjan swats ehird down into the asphalt, warner bros style -----### 23:07:06 16:04] pikhq: "Brilliant". EMI is no longer selling CDs to smaller record stores. 23:07:07 [16:06] Pthing left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:07:07 [16:09] ais523: pikhq: don't you mean "Brillant"? 23:07:07 [16:09] pikhq: Yes. 23:07:08 [16:11] ehird: if emi wants to kill themselves, can't we please offer assisted suicide? 23:07:08 [16:12] ehird: well I guess that's "shutting down" :P 23:07:09 [16:18] clog left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:07:11 [16:41] MigoMipo left the chat room. 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(Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:07:43 [18:02] pikhq: GregorR: "All-user-submissions Augst". 23:07:45 [18:02] pikhq: August, even. 23:07:47 [18:02] pikhq: :D 23:07:49 [18:03] ehird: pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eclectic_shorthand_by_cross.png ← is your language thingy more concise than any of these? 23:07:52 [18:03] ehird: Cross-(Eclectic) appears to be shorter but has more intricate forms than the others. 23:07:54 [18:04] pikhq: ehird: Quite likely not. It's not an exceptionally well-designed system. 23:07:56 [18:04] ehird: I don't believe I could learn to read any of those in the png. 23:07:58 [18:04] ehird: My brain doesn't distinguish most of the forms. 23:08:00 [18:09] Asztal joined the chat room. 23:08:02 [18:33] ehird: Does anyone know if Firefox has D-Bus stuff to manipulate its pages? Epiphany? 23:08:04 [18:34] puzzlet_ left the chat room. 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