< 1248825643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked this time! < 1248825643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1248825651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay. Floppies do get bad over time < 1248825714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is installing! < 1248825717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least hopefully. < 1248825734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byee~ < 1248825737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248825936 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248825943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking bullshit man, it just ejected it. though the metal cover over the tape went kind of freaky when it came out after writing, and it came out slightly unhinged this time, so I'm gonna try again with a new disk < 1248825946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diskette, I guess I shoulds ay < 1248825948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should say < 1248826076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'isquette < 1248826121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems ubuntu uses "apparmor" which is similar to selinux... < 1248826123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248826124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248826150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1248826163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en apparma, apparman, apparmor, apparmorna < 1248826177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's easy to do a capability based security system if you have a system-wide "file open" function, for instance < 1248826179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that asks the user what file to open < 1248826184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give the app access to that file < 1248826200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it isn't done is because we have this weird notion of apps having the freedom to use whatever file entry method they want < 1248826220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like letting a house in a street use whatever water, electricity and sewer lines it wants, at the expense of all the other houses < 1248826242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not sure the analogy works... < 1248826271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't want it to be true :p < 1248826321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean it should ask every time it wants to open it's preference file? Or every time you are searching a directory tree recursively? < 1248826340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see some reasons why "ask user for every access which file he/she wants" does have some issues < 1248826343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it should be able to get at a preference directory free from the OS < 1248826354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching a directory tree, obviously opening a directory gives it recursive rights < 1248826366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about a web server then < 1248826376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want people sitting at it all the time? < 1248826380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it rights to the directories it serves < 1248826390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking about my "idea" way too stupidly just to put it down < 1248826398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there's a method for running software with access to N directories < 1248826402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to a user-facing app < 1248826408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that makes kind of sense. < 1248826410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can handle 90% of the cases this way < 1248826410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some ways < 1248826422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how command line apps would fit into it < 1248826424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the solution is s/files/objects/ and make it even more fine grained with arbitrary permission schemes, but < 1248826480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition having a "gimme a directory to put my stuff in" also lets you configure it < 1248826485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "put all stuff in ~/config" < 1248826489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "put this on this drive and that on that drive" < 1248826493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what abstraction gets you < 1248826507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to current hacks that involve LD_PRELOAD and overriding the opening of dotfiles) < 1248826745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... how would it find the setting next time it starts? < 1248826754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... I never heard of such hacks < 1248826759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, by calling the give_this_app_a_config() function? < 1248826771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, let's try booting again < 1248826771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248826775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248826776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so OS would maintain it < 1248826796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, en apparma, apparman, apparmor, apparmorna <-- huh? < 1248826826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan'sconjugating. < 1248826864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248826872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is some strange grammar there pikhq :P < 1248826882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248826885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declining, i thought < 1248826897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bah. < 1248826909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean that's not how to decline "apparma" in swedish? < 1248826927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I never even heard of that word in Swedish < 1248826929 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248826937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hi < 1248826941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it go? < 1248826947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *whoosh* < 1248826951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ejected it then gave me the bad floppy symbol < 1248826987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ouch. Btw how does one list what files an installed package contain in ubuntu from command line? I suspect apt-cache but can't figure out what parameters < 1248827000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt something something something < 1248827016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i suggest you look closer at the third item < 1248827019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, great help.... NOT. < 1248827041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right, hah < 1248827044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"… NOT" < 1248827045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but not sure < 1248827045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the 90s < 1248827045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: man page < 1248827048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humour is over there < 1248827138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the "boot floppy" volume is uhh < 1248827139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how shall i put this < 1248827143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly devoid of files. < 1248827150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, uh uh < 1248827163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1248827164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I seriously have no clue. Try to make a cd bootable like the install cd < 1248827165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248827167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way < 1248827175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1248827183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it will be faster < 1248827194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody's done that before. < 1248827201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 00s, we disapprove of "... NOT." BUT. < 1248827205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway check the floppy under linux with badblocks < 1248827206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248827209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot you can't :P < 1248827236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shake the indigo belt of temerity! < 1248827284 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1248827759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, starting from scratch < 1248827764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's think of the best way to go about this… < 1248827783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Dan. The problem is that the "Old World" Macs cannot boot a Linux CD. You'll have to get the BootX program from here: < 1248827783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penguinppc.org/historical/benh/BootX_1.2.2.sit < 1248827784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh?! < 1248827787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootx can boot CDs? < 1248827791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S HAVE THAT SHIT! < 1248827869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded of when I tried getting Linux on an old-world Mac. < 1248827874 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248827877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, its OS install was nuked. < 1248827898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1248827899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye guyses < 1248827901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no BootX. And a notable lack of floppies. < 1248827904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248827996 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248828167 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248828179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck < 1248828461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, old mac runs very unprotected right? Like, no memory protection < 1248828466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not load linux inside mac < 1248828468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248828472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like kexec < 1248828480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that, but it'd require programming. < 1248828481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1248828483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is fun < 1248828487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly load it as the first extension during boot < 1248828487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Possibly, man! < 1248828493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oldworld Macs are on a PowerPC. < 1248828494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248828499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have memory protection. < 1248828501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid hardware too much messed up < 1248828511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MacOS doesn't run protected memory though iirc < 1248828512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can boot directly to Linux. < 1248828513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before OS X < 1248828522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but that's not because of hardware. < 1248828530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did I say it was? < 1248828537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant old mac os < 1248828538 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248828546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1248828919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually, I think that's basically what bootx does < 1248828933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me make an alias to my cd rom drive where it looks and try it < 1248828983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1248828989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alias for the cdrom you mean < 1248828998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1248828999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc inserting a different cdrom won't work for the alias < 1248829002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alias pointing to my cd rom drive < 1248829007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the system folder where bootx looks for its kernel < 1248829018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well right. But insert the right cd first < 1248829020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly won't work :P < 1248829020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no duh < 1248829022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... an idea < 1248829032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bollocks, doesn't seem to have mounted it < 1248829033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh? < 1248829042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy kernel to system dir? < 1248829051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248829065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what bootx is for < 1248829076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme read the debian install docs < 1248829078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might enlighten me < 1248829139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1248829178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love hacking like this < 1248829188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something wonderful about using modern methods to hack things on to something so old < 1248829191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relatively) < 1248829210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OldWorld PowerMacs will not boot a Debian CD, because OldWorld computers relied on a Mac OS ROM CD boot driver to be present on the CD, and a free-software version of this driver is not available. All OldWorld systems have floppy drives, so use the floppy drive to launch the installer, and then point the installer to the CD for the needed files." < 1248829211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch < 1248829212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my idea < 1248829221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If your system doesn't boot directly from CD-ROM, you can still use the CD-ROM to install the system. On NewWorlds, you can also use an OpenFirmware command to boot from the CD-ROM manually. Follow the instructions in Section 5.1.2.2, “Booting NewWorld Macs from OpenFirmware” for booting from the hard disk, except use the path to yaboot on the CD at the OF prompt, such as]] < 1248829223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop taunting me fuckers < 1248829234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1.2.1. Booting OldWorld PowerMacs from MacOS < 1248829235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you set up BootX in Section 4.4.1, “Hard Disk Installer Booting for OldWorld Macs”, you can use it to boot into the installation system. Double click the BootX application icon. Click on the Options button and select Use Specified RAM Disk. This will give you the chance to select the ramdisk.image.gz file. You may need to select the No Video Driver checkbox, depending on your hardware. Then click the Linux button to shut down MacOS and launch the inst < 1248829237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! < 1248829239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might do it that way < 1248829242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i really want to enter via openfirmware < 1248829247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will have already placed the vmlinux, initrd.gz, yaboot, and yaboot.conf files at the root level of your HFS partition in Section 4.4.2, “Hard Disk Installer Booting for NewWorld Macs”. You will now have to boot into OpenFirmware (see Section 3.6.1, “Invoking OpenFirmware”). At the prompt, type < 1248829247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 > boot hd:x,yaboot < 1248829248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1248829250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no shit, sherlock! < 1248829253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have me some of that! < 1248829269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you think that the debian installer will be able to wipe and install on to the disk it's on? < 1248829283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly not < 1248829298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1248829299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1.2.2. Booting NewWorld Macs from OpenFirmware < 1248829302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only for new world < 1248829305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck ass bitch shitting. < 1248829308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1248829316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sucks < 1248829323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new world gets all the chicks < 1248829333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Forth. < 1248829338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248829338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you might want to try yellowdog < 1248829344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers never zapped their pram < 1248829347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: new world. < 1248829347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention the firmware with a bzimage loader builtin. < 1248829355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I zapped pram on newworld < 1248829360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you didn't kiddo < 1248829362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off my lawn < 1248829368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? WHERE CAN I ACCESS IT < 1248829369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248829388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OpenFirmware < 1248829391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more idea before i try bootx < 1248829415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ext3 & quik - avoid headaches by keeping a ext2 partition for quik " < 1248829419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, I'm going to be using ext2 < 1248829422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro! < 1248829446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm gonna boot the installer via bootx < 1248829447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then fly < 1248829470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boot-floppy-hfs floppy uses miBoot to launch Linux installation, but miBoot cannot easily be used for hard disk booting. BootX, launched from MacOS, supports booting from files placed on the hard disk. BootX can also be used to dual-boot MacOS and Linux after your Debian installation is complete. For the Performa 6360, it appears that quik cannot make the hard disk bootable. So BootX is required on that model. < 1248829472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248829476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quik can do it maybe possibly < 1248829481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait dammit i can't use a ram disk < 1248829484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ram isn't big enough < 1248829492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1248829581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pikhq: seems like the best method so far is "boot up minimal thingy somehow, then launch that into the CD/tell it to use the CD" < 1248829590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248829606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't use floppies as the thingy < 1248829606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, your RAM is big enough for the initial RAM disk. < 1248829613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fits on one of those two floppies. ;) < 1248829613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh? how much does it require? < 1248829622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't want to have bootx as the final thingy < 1248829625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2M. < 1248829629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it to boot directly from quik < 1248829641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1248829646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old world macs have openfirmware too < 1248829656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248829663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either i'll bootx and then use quik after it's installed < 1248829667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quik from the start < 1248829667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do they suck so much? < 1248829669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commence voting < 1248829672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: buggy < 1248829678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1248829700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248829723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Check to see if your Mac has NuBus. < 1248829728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it doesn't, pci here < 1248829732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has NuBus, it doesn't have OpenFirmware. < 1248829735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then Quik works. < 1248829736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how do you access openfirmware < 1248829742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248829749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering whether it's worth the fuss < 1248829750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248829758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you think the debian installer can wipe the drive it's stored on < 1248829759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then install to that? < 1248829762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: command-option-o-f < 1248829768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that mac has it? < 1248829773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it has pci I mean < 1248829778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1248829787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:09] ehird: pikhq: do you think the debian installer can wipe the drive it's stored on < 1248829787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:09] ehird: then install to that? < 1248829789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so... it is newworld < 1248829791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1248829792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1248829796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1248829797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quik is an Open Firmware-based bootloader for Old World Macintosh" < 1248829802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because it's very dependent on Open Firmware, and because the Open Firmware on Old World Macintosh is very buggy and difficult to work with" < 1248829803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1248829803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1248829807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248829809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248829817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where has this conception that OF = new world come from? < 1248829827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no idea < 1248829842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from using nubus macs and then jumping to newworld ones < 1248829860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, pikhq, answerate my question. :P (Or I'll ask #debian!) < 1248829879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: were nubus/newworld beige boxes quite loud? < 1248829882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old world ppcs are < 1248829896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, uh? < 1248829900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i can't judge with the expansion board and all < 1248829902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fan noise < 1248829902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: were nubus/newworld beige boxes quite loud? <-- what? < 1248829909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nubus/newworld? < 1248829915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, either/both < 1248829915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think that existed < 1248829921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hn < 1248829922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm* < 1248829930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a machine with both < 1248829931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1248829937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure it can. The bootloader loads the Debian installer to RAM. < 1248829939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my newworld ibook first generation wasn't very loud, to begin with < 1248829948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harddrive is *really* loud nowdays though < 1248829952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does it download the packages to RAM? < 1248829957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well laptops are a special case < 1248829958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not beige < 1248829962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the imac everything became nice < 1248829962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1248829987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, it downloads the packages to HD after the partitioning and formatting steps. < 1248829993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the old performa 6500 (or around there) I had was not very loud apart from the built in crt whine < 1248829994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1248830003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cool. Now, I wonder if lenny has one of these ramdisk images. < 1248830005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the IE 5.1! < 1248830011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most definitely. < 1248830024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248830026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not a ramdisk < 1248830031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just put the thingy < 1248830032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other HD < 1248830038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then boot in from open firmware or quik or something < 1248830043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What thingy? < 1248830043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't really hear the crt whine over the fans < 1248830049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: installation thing < 1248830056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not doing bootx < 1248830058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a ram disk < 1248830074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't any fan noise on that one < 1248830083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Debian's installer works by loading a RAM disk with the installer in it. < 1248830085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I loved the cd noise on it though < 1248830090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *all* the installation methods. < 1248830094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in... you heard the seeking but not the spinning < 1248830106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which was *awesome* when it was loading myst < 1248830107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but the bootx method has a separate ramdisk file that you download < 1248830107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1248830112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh I have a myst disc here < 1248830117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1248830121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does cd seeking even sound like < 1248830122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not spinning < 1248830127 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248830136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: small or tiny cd? < 1248830138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick my poison! < 1248830142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm inclined to go with tiny < 1248830142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was like 2x or 4x, so you just heard the head thingy going back/forth < 1248830145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh < 1248830159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head thingy = thing for laser < 1248830160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Small has a GUI installer, tiny has a text-mode installer. < 1248830166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick your poison. < 1248830166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hd-media" < 1248830168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :promising, but < 1248830171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a yaboot.conf < 1248830174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably Not For Me < 1248830190 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248830208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i can't just boot in from openfirmware because it's elf < 1248830209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct? < 1248830214 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1248830276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i assume openfirmware wants some wacky mac kernel format < 1248830293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Probably. < 1248830302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248830310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need quik < 1248830319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i need on my other HFS disk is: < 1248830321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quik < 1248830323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel < 1248830324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other stuff it needs < 1248830327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(installation stuff) < 1248830330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then boot in via HFS < 1248830331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248830332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via OF < 1248830347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/ ;; kind of… lacks any info on how to insatll it < 1248830387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps, it's distributed as a fucking rpm
< 1248830389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks quik for mac os
< 1248830394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a sit < 1248830395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sigh < 1248830441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, a terminal-based installer < 1248830444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope this doesn't brick my mac < 1248830452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No unix partitions found!" < 1248830453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248830455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1248830455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1248830456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sherlock < 1248830461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, bootx now < 1248830464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quik after < 1248830625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so I need to make a folder called Linux Kernels inside my system folder < 1248830634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll do the ramdisk < 1248830664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ramdisk.img.gz has to go in the system folder < 1248830689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question is < 1248830692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell do i get it < 1248830728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian mirror < 1248830747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gee, thanks captain obvious :P < 1248830881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the relevant install manual chapter references woody. < 1248830889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks this is kind of … unsupported. < 1248830935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248830939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot.img.gz looks positive < 1248830974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5.7MB < 1248830976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot < 1248830985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: d'you think it'll work? < 1248830990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1248831012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i need this 0.5k boot.msg file < 1248831013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, can't hurt < 1248831029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for isolinux and friends. < 1248831068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it was used in the yaboot.conf < 1248831098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And friends". < 1248831106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248831115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootx would count as a friend then < 1248831118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the networking on this thing is so slow < 1248831122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets like 30KB/sec < 1248831122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1248831125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get 700KB/sec here < 1248831258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had to uninstall Helvetica Neue... it causes ubuntu's website to look shit when installed < 1248831266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to not rendering well with fontconfig there < 1248831270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248831273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freetype I mean < 1248831282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248831452 0 :augur!n=augur@74.2.28.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248831477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloaded! < 1248831485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to rename boot.img.gz to ramdisk.img.gz, start BootX, and watch it break. < 1248831549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ramdisk.image.gz < 1248831604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248832115 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248832155 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248832193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-progress < 1248832198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootx boots into "Welcome to Linux" < 1248832199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248832201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preparing boot params < 1248832204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preparing bat < 1248832204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmu < 1248832205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1248832206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash < 1248832206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1248832208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMU:setio < 1248832209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMU:exit < 1248832212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it just sits there < 1248832216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i reboot < 1248832223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's found the kernel but not where to go next, y'know? < 1248832513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1248832655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i know! < 1248832664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't use the hd thing < 1248832668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it has no hd < 1248832672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a self-contained kernel thing < 1248832676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so a floppy image right? < 1248832680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rathre < 1248832681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1248832685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff from a floppy image < 1248832686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ tiny cd < 1248832704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeppers < 1248832728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248832732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i do without initrd, I wonder < 1248832740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248832742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initrd is the ram disk < 1248832744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slap
< 1248833132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try bootx! < 1248833169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248833283 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248833290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotsit almost methinks < 1248833297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel boots but doesn't go into init < 1248833298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Why are you disconnecting every time you try to boot your old Mac? < 1248833302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means it can't find it, right < 1248833306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's the feeling of it < 1248833309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248833315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put the imac to sleep < 1248833317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1248833320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the kernel boots up just fine < 1248833324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't see the ramdisk, right? < 1248833335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a kernel parameter meaning "oi, look here you ejit"? < 1248833352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it might not see init in the ramdisk. < 1248833361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe do init=/initrd < 1248833367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1248833424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248833474 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248833481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Kernel command line: ramdisk_size=8192 init=/initrd" but it still stops after "PID hash table entries: 512 (order: 9, 2048 bytes) < 1248833484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/"/ < 1248833505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root=/dev/ram0 ? < 1248833529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not just /dev/ram? < 1248833532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OK. < 1248833542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than one ramdisk. < 1248833604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try < 1248833607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248833770 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248833779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Same. < 1248833789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously think it can't locate the ramdisk. < 1248833808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a photo of the screen? < 1248833872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdness. < 1248833902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just rebooted out of sheer boredom. < 1248833916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snapped the screen, though. < 1248833950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/YEvwo.jpg; very WarGames looking. < 1248834030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#debian, and I got not a clue. < 1248834049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it was possible for the kernel to lock up there. < 1248834073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mm. Interestingly, there's a RAM Disk in Mac OS; it's empty and has 60.8 MB free. < 1248834082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1248834255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: However, my RAM disk is... not that big. < 1248834256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wait. < 1248834263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the RAM disk is set to 8KB— wait, no, it'll be 8MB. < 1248834288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The size is 8192. < 1248834290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8192… somethings. < 1248834310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's measured in KB < 1248834312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1248834340 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo, 1600 mungers since qwantz.com linked to me. < 1248834343 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... a lotish? < 1248834351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not much for freakin' Dinosaur Comics. < 1248834357 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarly :P < 1248834365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a lot for codu :P < 1248834433 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-156-195-159.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248834466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /dev/ram is symlinked to /dev/ram1 on Red Hat, apparently. < 1248834469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try ram1. < 1248834523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: adb suggested ramdisk_size=16384; did zilch < 1248834590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/ram1 helps not < 1248835034 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248835281 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248835317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i may have figuredified it out < 1248835322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with →→→magic < 1248835334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woots. < 1248835351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the ramdisk thingy in the linux kernels folder < 1248835355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're <33 bffs < 1248835363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1248835387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the ramdisk in the system folder < 1248835392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kernel in its subdirectory, the linux kernels folder < 1248835448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogogo < 1248835453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248835595 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248835602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor Linux. You stubborn bastard. Do something different, at least! < 1248835648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: perhaps it is trying to load /initrd? < 1248835655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where / has no well-defined meaning here < 1248835675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be. < 1248835699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it should be, after mounting /. < 1248835752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make the kernel spew out its messages slower so I get a chance to read them? < 1248835779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1248835797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is, but it's absurd. < 1248835800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1248835812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hook up another computer to the serial port and start up gdb. < 1248835841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight < 1248835861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots. again.
< 1248835868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i'm not sleeping tonight < 1248835983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248836072 0 :Azstal!n=chatzill@host86-155-75-100.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248836519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: With all this fuss, I conclude the only sane computer must be purely functional. < 1248836527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why this helps, but it'd soothe my soul. < 1248836760 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248836859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, I conclude that the problem comes down to: The kernel works absolutely fine. It just doesn't mount the ramdisk. < 1248836877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1248836904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Theory: This is because it's an OS X ramdisk, and Linux don't done know none of 'dat stuff. < 1248836937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inquiry: why did you think that would work? < 1248836968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect the *floppy disk* image would work. < 1248836978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (a) because that's what BootX does. < 1248836991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) they're an .img, not a kernel or ramdisk < 1248836998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical diskettes don't boot < 1248837014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second floppy disk image is the ramdisk. < 1248837039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm using the tiny cd one. < 1248837045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't change how BootX mounts it. < 1248837058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#debian. *shrug* < 1248837067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asked; was mostly ignored. < 1248837082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Debian. < 1248837150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248837524 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248837581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefrom hu azstal < 1248837581 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefrom hu asztal < 1248837602 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefrom no Skjønner denne greia noe som helst, egentlig? < 1248837699 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/trans* < 1248837717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto no en Skjonner < 1248837717 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837719 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understand < 1248837728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en asztal < 1248837729 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :table < 1248837731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sh ls bin/trans* < 1248837732 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sh ls bin < 1248837739 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248837743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1248837745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/trans* < 1248837745 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/translate \ bin/translatefromto \ bin/translateto < 1248837747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1248837764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1248837809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto no en Skjønner denne greia noe som helst, egentlig? < 1248837811 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SkjĂ ¸ nner this thing anything, really? < 1248837835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not unicode, that's for sure < 1248837983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto no en Skjonner denne greia noe som helst, egentlig? < 1248837984 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do this thing anything, really? < 1248837996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would have wanted a "what so ever" inside there...
< 1248838054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en no Does this thing understand anything what so ever, really? < 1248838056 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betyr dette forstĺr alt hva sĺ noensinne, egentlig? < 1248838069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1248838098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was horrible :D < 1248838126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE LS ARE DOTTED. < 1248838144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248838152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en no Does this thing understand anything whatsoever, really? < 1248838154 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betyr dette forstĺr noe overhodet, egentlig? < 1248838162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can'ṫ we jusṫ doṫ our ṫs and cross our ɨs? < 1248838164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ´tted actually. < 1248838169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok slightly better < 1248838223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the logs for dotted l's
< 1248838232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O those are supposed to be å's < 1248838268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l̇ < 1248838309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ṪHERE. L̇, BƗṪCHES. ;) < 1248838322 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1248838342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, ZOMG. I can... Double-cross my ŧs. < 1248838363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treacherous spelling < 1248838379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And double-doŧ my ïs. < 1248838776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to try out Debian sarge.
< 1248838783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt more recent things will work smoothly for the install process. < 1248838922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think debian sarge would be a major error, and could in general cause corporal harm < 1248838937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a toy-story based naming system actually. < 1248838964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1248838976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unstable release is "sid". :-) < 1248839042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Ian work at Pixar? < 1248839108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1248839117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph; the only minimal CD for sarge is 2.4-kernel. < 1248839126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the "non-minimal" CD is just a few meg. :P < 1248839313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha — I think I should be using boot.img.gz, not initrd.gz. < 1248839314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1248839746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248839929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that MPW disk would be appreciated. < 1248841006 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248841006 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248841093 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248843032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets the unused 1.19GB drive as virtual RAM
< 1248843036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's screamingly fast! < 1248843065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in… actually usable now < 1248847752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1248847764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++++.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>. [214] < 1248848268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRTs that don't come with a "reset settings" option suck. < 1248848271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trufax. < 1248850286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha wow. < 1248850290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a port of Firefox to Mac OS 9. < 1248850295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent. Like, this year. < 1248850297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm downloading it now. < 1248851030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction: It seems to be the suite. < 1248851031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1248851097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rendering is… insanely fast. < 1248851131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "once Wikipedia's loaded, it renders instantly" fast. < 1248852141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/myavatar.gif wtf < 1248852152 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1248852353 0 :ehirdzilla!n=chatzill@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248852356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay < 1248852378 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from chatzilla/macos9/ppc! < 1248852391 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda slow < 1248852405 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with the whole memory-hogging infrastructure and slow javascript running on top of a 300mhz processor < 1248852427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: You're Gregor, apparently. < 1248852436 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stfu im me not you < 1248852445 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla: So I'm told. < 1248852463 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one button mice really kinda suck. < 1248852481 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is slower than windows 7 is in my os x vm :D < 1248852629 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey guys it's 7:29 am i'm on an ancient mac starved for cpu, ram and disk running a gigantic sprawling mess of C++ code with a slow javascript implementation interfacing on to that running complex code which then changes an xml document tree which is then processed to meticulously redraw and/or use native widgets in a window. < 1248852638 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected to IRC. < 1248852643 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the future yet? < 1248853152 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The future came and passed. < 1248853154 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's yesterday now. < 1248853185 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1248853191 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking tachyon computers < 1248853201 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saturday i'll be buying this for $2,700 < 1248853214 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uninstalling the debian i installed on it in the future to put mac os on it instead < 1248853365 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poincare conjecture is like what timecube is to internet explorer < 1248854399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248854400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248854555 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-25.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248854674 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo, you're a MigoMipo. < 1248854695 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=== CTCP version reply Chatzilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:9.0) Clecko/20090628 Classilla/CFM] from ehirdzilla < 1248854697 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248854702 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it'd mention OS 9 < 1248854712 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, everyone would cry "Fake!" :) < 1248855549 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248855578 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1248855600 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your DS irc bot up and i'll trigger it with my PPC PowerMac :-P < 1248855618 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ehird on .*zilla < 1248855620 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is non-existant for now < 1248855627 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just an idea I had < 1248855651 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on classilla < 1248855660 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla suite (seamonkey i guess) for mac os 9 < 1248855680 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usable, but switching windows is slow < 1248855687 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1248855700 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sis entering a url, but < 1248855702 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so is < 1248855720 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering is fast and way more accurate than ie 5.1 < 1248855722 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1248855724 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1248855755 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, there's no Safari for you in OS 9 < 1248855768 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a bit wtf'd at first when I saw you running IE on that photo < 1248855783 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and scrolling's jerky. but we are talking a 120mhz machine that was upgraded to a 300mhz g3 w/ 96mb of ram < 1248855787 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, heh, yeah < 1248855811 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played around with Damn Small Linux on a 48MB RAM laptop a couple of years ago < 1248855834 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was actually usable.. definitely more than the Win95 it originally ran, at least < 1248855840 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made the empty 1.19gb (same size as system disk) drive into "Auxiliary Memory" < 1248855854 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set 990mb of it (the most it'd allow) as virtual memory < 1248855863 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1248855884 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then set the ram disk to 8064kb and moved the browser's cache to it < 1248855888 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7mb big < 1248855905 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then left the disk cache as the inferred 2816kb < 1248855909 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's running like 2-4x faster < 1248855927 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :difference between many seconds between it reacting to a window switch and doing it in less than a second < 1248855944 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering changed from unusably slow to just tedious < 1248855946 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite good imo < 1248855964 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os 9.1 is prolly a bit too much for this machine to do lotsa stuff smoothly but *meh* < 1248855966 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, being able to use an application is always a plus < 1248855974 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1248856021 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and classilla uses 80.1mb of ram constantly because classic mac os doesn't/didn't have dynamic memory allocation < 1248856030 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this means that swapping etc. behaviour is pretty suck < 1248856043 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, over 1gb of ram! < 1248856049 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual ram drops out as statistically insignificant < 1248856057 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's fast enough, it's a QUANTUM FIREBALL drive after all < 1248856112 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is really quite usable, apart from the ~1.5s delay from clicking the chatzilla window to it putting text in the grey area < 1248856129 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :co�perative multitasking, how na�ve! < 1248856144 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coöperative" just looks... odd < 1248856160 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're used to reading 'ö' as a character, with its own pronounciation < 1248856175 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's english's only accent, and I'm fucking proud to flaunt it! < 1248856180 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm going to start a movement < 1248856188 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray For the Fucking Diaresis < 1248856206 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFFD < 1248856207 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Dieresis < 1248856211 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248856228 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did know about naïve < 1248856290 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the diaeresis signify non-diphthong sound, or something like that? < 1248856332 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual like 2 seconds, not 1.5 < 1248856333 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dutch uses the same mark in a similar way, (for example coëfficiënt), but as with English there is now a preference for hyphenation - so zeeëend (seaduck) is now spelled zee-eend" < 1248856335 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1248856337 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually the delay is < 1248856352 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's used to denote that two consecutive vowels do not have the same pronunciation < 1248856363 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248856365 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other vowels too < 1248856366 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1248856369 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre�mptive < 1248856373 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pree, ehmptive < 1248856378 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zo� < 1248856384 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoh, ee < 1248856389 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na�ve < 1248856390 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm < 1248856398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: that MPW disk would be appreciated. <-- right. I'm just going out, but as soon as I get back I will look at it < 1248856401 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait na�ve doesn't really count but < 1248856404 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, kaykay < 1248856413 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248856418 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248856420 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1248856427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, this will be in maybe 1-2 hours < 1248856438 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally hitted the closing x with the mouse < 1248856460 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, i may be asleep by then < 1248856465 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what having not slepped and all < 1248856467 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes slepped < 1248856469 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slept is for lameos < 1248856470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, well I can try now < 1248856477 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking < 1248856477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some time before I leave < 1248856480 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure thing bro? < 1248856497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, depends on how long it takes < 1248856523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, sure it isn't available for download from apple? < 1248856529 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't making an .img consist of dragging the floppy to disk copy and picking a file name? :P < 1248856531 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, it is < 1248856536 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 50 separate files < 1248856541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, [0014]? < 1248856544 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all with different components and shit < 1248856552 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, ehwhat < 1248856554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster, it is[0014] < 1248856555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1248856558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I mean < 1248856564 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :em dash. < 1248856567 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably MacRoman or something. < 1248856570 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame mac os 9. < 1248856578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, kay. I *can't* interpret that < 1248856585 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(chatzilla on mozilla on mac os 9, wayoohh) < 1248856604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah shows up as just "it is" here < 1248856613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ï in naïve worked though < 1248856623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for some free space
< 1248856627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248856631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phyical for the laptop < 1248856661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got memoserv spam... < 1248856682 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delay was more like 3-5s this time < 1248856697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248856699 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoserv spam sounds fun < 1248856706 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, switching navigator/chatzilla window < 1248856721 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the undrawn part of the cz window stays grey for a few seconds < 1248856726 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it gets its act together < 1248856735 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same the other way around < 1248856745 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although cz->web is faster than web->cz < 1248856766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, heh < 1248856777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, how many MHz did you say? < 1248856782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: how much ram < 1248856791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: did you manage with linux? < 1248856836 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the g3 chip in here is 300mhz; the original powerpc something-or-other was 120mhz. 96mb of physical ram... and i put the empty 1.19gb drive as virtual memory (well, 990mb is all they allowed, but) < 1248856841 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm planning to start again from scratch today < 1248856872 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an 8064kb ram disk for the classilla (seamonkey thingy ported to mac os 9; recent) cache < 1248856892 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the os has deemed that 2816kb is a jolly good size for the disk cache < 1248856918 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1248856930 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i just send an empty message? < 1248856931 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not < 1248856966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes clock battery is dead
< 1248857006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, my MPW dir is 119 MB < 1248857025 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my system drive i have... < 1248857027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be some un-needed stuff in there < 1248857029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248857032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :built examples < 1248857038 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :954.1mb free < 1248857043 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you don't have the floppy? < 1248857056 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect mpw puts like system extensions, no? < 1248857060 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one dir wouldn't be all < 1248857061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, as I said: I only have it installed already. Also this mac doesn't have a floppy < 1248857071 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right a weirdo mac :P < 1248857082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1248857084 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, is the networking really slow on yours too? < 1248857087 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on mine < 1248857089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, You aren't ehird < 1248857096 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :":P" < 1248857104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, well, not really. Just a bit slow. < 1248857113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 100 mbps ethernet after all < 1248857116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 gbps < 1248857120 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get like 10/20/30KB/s instead of 500/600/700KB/s < 1248857124 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the interwebs < 1248857133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, yours *is* a bit older < 1248857137 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like dialup when loading pages < 1248857142 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, yeah but... < 1248857146 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a megabit < 1248857152 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't make kilobit ethernet :P < 1248857155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, anyway, if you want resedit or macbugs or similar I can package them up < 1248857159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are only one file each < 1248857169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpw I'm not sure about < 1248857170 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly, i'm mainly interested in the progenitoring < 1248857181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, then you *want* macbugs < 1248857185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps when you are programming < 1248857191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you keep crashing the OS < 1248857192 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a debugger < 1248857196 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in debuggers < 1248857201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, yes. but system level one < 1248857202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248857206 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, and it stops the OS crashing? < 1248857216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, well, sometimes you can recover from it < 1248857218 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that's easy to recover from vs waiting the minute or so it takes to cold reboot < 1248857222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than hard reset < 1248857224 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in terms of effort/time < 1248857239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, no journaled fs btw :P < 1248857244 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1248857248 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even have HFS+ on this. < 1248857256 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waot < 1248857257 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248857259 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1248857291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, yep. OS 9 does. Oh and I have a defragmenter for it. Called "Norton SpeedDisk" < 1248857296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for HFS+ that is < 1248857316 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the other disk is hfs < 1248857318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how you can run that standalone < 1248857320 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system drive is hfs+ < 1248857325 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auxiliary memory drive is hfs < 1248857330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can defragment hfs too < 1248857331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1248857341 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, the virtual memory isn't actual files < 1248857348 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just extending the ram into the drive < 1248857399 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if your program crashes the whole OS when it goes wrong the obvious thing to do is to write a lisp interpreter then program in that. < 1248857410 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ appropriate error traps, ofc < 1248857418 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't get any slower! < 1248857431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, it is a file < 1248857433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hidden one < 1248857450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of hidden ones < 1248857452 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right well you can't defrag a drive of one file much. < 1248857470 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it's putting blocks all over the place when it has the whole drive, more or less, to itself < 1248857498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1248857503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system disk though? < 1248857530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could boot from install cd. Wasn't it 8.6 or later? < 1248857545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then copy the defrag app the to the second disk < 1248857546 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the installation media < 1248857548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run it from there < 1248857550 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eh < 1248857556 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system disk doesn't appear to seek much < 1248857559 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can't hear it often < 1248857566 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ram disk + cache does wonders < 1248857684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, so do you want my mpw installed or will you download it? < 1248857685 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to soup up a 68k mac sometime :-) < 1248857687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from apple < 1248857697 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well installed would kinda be nicer since it's in pieces on the apple site < 1248857705 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to install 30 things individually < 1248857707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, pieces in what way? < 1248857714 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different files for each subcomponent < 1248857794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is copying it
< 1248857864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will copy it over with the personal web sharing crappy web server I guess < 1248857942 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a .mac account? < 1248857948 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're killing that shit off in favour of mobileme < 1248857958 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1248857960 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locally < 1248857961 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1248857963 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248857985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes local thingy < 1248857993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the strip at the bottom < 1248857996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the end < 1248858047 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed that < 1248858061 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaced it with a popup folder thing with application aliases in < 1248858062 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as buttons < 1248858067 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the dock except not! < 1248858415 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zip.secretareaofvipquality.net/src/1248794244319.png < 1248858416 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248858465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, creating disk image... < 1248858465 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mittens! :D < 1248858469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure slow < 1248858477 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cretining diskkkkk imagina < 1248858589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdzilla, looks like it will take quite a while < 1248858650 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently http://system7today.com/ actually runs on 7.6 < 1248858657 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with appleshare < 1248858671 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you want 'bout those guys, they sure are consistent < 1248858708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux supports appleshare iirc < 1248858715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how well < 1248858743 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case appleshare is being used to refer to server software < 1248858786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. not the protocol < 1248858962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's compressing < 1248858965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes time < 1248858980 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to .hqx! < 1248858985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I'm sorry but I have to leave now. hopefully it will be done when I get back so I can upload it then < 1248858999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1248859750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: btw the nyt ie theme is perfect < 1248859761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading wikipedia is now actually a pleasant experience < 1248859764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new york times ie theme? xD < 1248859767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248859777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erghERA < 1248859782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erghera. < 1248859784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1248859786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1248859791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a typo < 1248859794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248859798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ew->yt < 1248859840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it must be swedish < 1248859912 0 :ehirdzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248860465 0 :calamari-!n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248861457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you listen to liszt, X? < 1248863653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, back < 1248863655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to copy it < 1248863892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not sure how to *.hqx without *.sit too < 1248864073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please switch to a better client < 1248864112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know something modern like MIRC < 1248864144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, who are you telling < 1248864149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you. < 1248864153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1248864165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you see my question and just didn't understand it? < 1248864179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's only directed at you if the answer is yes < 1248864180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see you highlight me anywhere < 1248864182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm assuming it is < 1248864186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1248864191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"didn't you listen to liszt, X?" < 1248864202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you're X. < 1248864202 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248864211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... sometimes < 1248864216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1248864219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you saw that? < 1248864231 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248864263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw what < 1248864269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw me ask that < 1248864279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248864283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. make sense < 1248864291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you've now seen me ask it twice? < 1248864311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have the file copied to my PC. Tell me when you are back so I can transfer it somehow < 1248864317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am back. < 1248864317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be out during the evening btw < 1248864320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah hi < 1248864324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filebin.ca < 1248864325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. lets try dcc < 1248864328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that then < 1248864330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you see it in the backlog? < 1248864340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it just before you joined < 1248864345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you didn't see it, get a better client < 1248864356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes I saw it in scrollback... < 1248864371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you didn't realize it was directed at you? < 1248864377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, you've mentioned liszt to me < 1248864377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Upload any file. Must be less than 50 megabytes. Files will be kept in a rotating pool of space, and may be removed at any time."' < 1248864380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248864381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i like liszt < 1248864382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no filebin < 1248864384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file is 53 MB < 1248864394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rapidshare.de < 1248864402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dcc then rather than that crap < 1248864405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really communicate more clearly to AnMaster < 1248864409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too slow; didn't bother. < 1248864410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with < 1248864435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like having trivial conversations trivially < 1248864446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, uploading to there would be just as slow wouldn't it? < 1248864449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use a retarded language like english if you want to be efficient < 1248864462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not ime, but fine, give it a go < 1248864463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same upload speed for me < 1248864470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec *sets up right ip* < 1248864478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right here we go < 1248864496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Offering ToEhird.img.hqx to ehird < 1248864498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits
< 1248864507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accepted < 1248864517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doesn't seem to work? < 1248864534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too probablyrouter; didn't getenoughsleeptotryandfix < 1248864551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is *I* who have to open a port to serve the file < 1248864559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm < 1248864609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually. I blame my router < 1248864617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get connection timed out on it's web interface... < 1248864660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see < 1248864693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm going to upload it somewhere hm... < 1248864737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I found somewhere to put it ehird < 1248864743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stand by while it is uploading < 1248864749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ToEhird.img.hqx 3% 2240KB 88.6KB/s 10:20 ETA < 1248864751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says scp < 1248864759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248864765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really .img.sit.hqx < 1248865052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, please stand by while it is uploading < 1248865056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETA 5 minutes < 1248865071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah where's oerjan, i have a question about p-adic... i mean... i have cookies for him < 1248865229 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248865364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/ToEhird.img.hqx < 1248865375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me when you downloaded it so I can delete it < 1248865390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ToEhird.img.hqx that downloads to ToEhird.img.si < 1248865390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1248865397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1248865399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cancels
< 1248865402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, browser is autounhexing it? < 1248865405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1248865408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh... < 1248865419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is a sit, couldn't hqx it without *.siting it < 1248865421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said above < 1248865436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't have any app for it at least < 1248865443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb food < 1248866022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1248866061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is the only format I can offer. I'm going afk for a bit, when I reconnect I will not have scrollback because I'm not going to quit this copy of the client (and thus the bouncer won't replay) < 1248866224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248866307 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248866520 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-7-202.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248866921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: will woody → sarge actually work? < 1248866926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it's the last that installs cleanly < 1248867170 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-155-75-100.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248868331 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248869139 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1248869524 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248869723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookies, where? gimme! < 1248869740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ^ < 1248869988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, these aren't entirely cookies, they are more like, questions about p-adic cookies, although instead of cookies, more like numbers. basically, are those isomorphic to reals? i thought reals, or something having them as a subset, was the only way to complete Q < 1248870033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen the formal proof, because this was just a side note where i read it, so i may have misunderstood < 1248870079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. the _algebraic_ reals are the only way to complete Q. i think. < 1248870091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other reals are just extra stuffing. < 1248870096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fetched the file yet? < 1248870103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it downloaded weird < 1248870107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said < 1248870109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic reals being..? < 1248870116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, use wget on mac os x? < 1248870120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work < 1248870122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eh < 1248870124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really tired < 1248870132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just delete it < 1248870133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can wp < 1248870134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that are the roots of integer/rational polynomials < 1248870139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248870145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1248870174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need C for that? < 1248870178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as a field. as an _ordered_ field it's different. the p-adics are not ordered. < 1248870182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, right. < 1248870183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 + 1 < 1248870193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh p-adics aren't ordered? < 1248870195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1248870197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1248870206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was talking about the ordered reals < 1248870209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248870212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ordered completion < 1248870296 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248870313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i'd love to see the construction of calculus on p-adics < 1248870324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you want to teach me :P < 1248870334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i know nothing about that. < 1248870354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that they have a different metric/distance function. < 1248870371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know that much < 1248870379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the metric seems very weird to me. < 1248870396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does fulfil the triangle equality. < 1248870401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow big numbers are small, and most stuff doesn't seem to get ordered < 1248870408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, is there a name for such metrics? < 1248870412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i should know that < 1248870419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i assume the p-adics are actually a completion in the metric sense. < 1248870428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"metric" < 1248870438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, heh :P < 1248870451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean completion in the metric sense? < 1248870469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that every cauchy sequence converges < 1248870477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it means exactly that < 1248870497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :converges ... the metric < 1248870512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't fill that ... but something mathematical like "up to" should be in there < 1248870525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe your in the metric sense < 1248870526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1248870532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right okay < 1248870564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the metric is considered like some kinda grid on top of the space instead of a function from pairs to distances in that saying... so to speak < 1248870579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay don't answer that :P < 1248871035 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248871039 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248871757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has 5 floppies that, in theory, will install Debian woody, circa 2002, on an Old World PowerPC Mac.
< 1248871769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory. < 1248871864 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248871970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I won't delete it until you downloaded it < 1248871980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test time! < 1248871981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway just wget under OS X and send over network or such < 1248871982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248872116 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248872123 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248872691 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248872703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The woody install boots! < 1248872712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently using an awful fdisk thingy to badly mangle my disk. < 1248872768 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdisk isn't awful < 1248872831 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utterly disgusting < 1248872859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga lost a drive in a tragic partitioning accident. < 1248873189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdisk > cfdisk at least < 1248873190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248873209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had issues with the linux fdisk < 1248873231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted is rather less soul-killing. < 1248873248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :144mb enough swap for 96mb of physical ram? < 1248873251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* 1.5) < 1248873253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1248873258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i go for * 2? < 1248873282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i'll leave it < 1248873285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1.19gb in total after all < 1248873312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches woody initialise an ext2 partition
< 1248873316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cutting-edge stuff < 1248873319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/!/ < 1248873550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc parted has issues marking the right partition type on lvm partitions. But this may be a gparted issue. not sure < 1248873590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dist-upgrade to lenny? :D < 1248873633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't woody the one that was stable for several years (because next release took a long time) < 1248873638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, dist-upgrade to sarge (wow, 3 years just passed). Then dist-upgrade to etch. < 1248873640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then dist-upgrade to lenny. < 1248873643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then dist-upgrade to testing. < 1248873651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1248873652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or just upgrade; I forget how you switch to testing) < 1248873679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what kernel is used on woody < 1248873684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 < 1248873695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nostalgia* < 1248873698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarge promptly switched to 2.6, breaking everything. :-P < 1248873707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were many major changes in the sarge release, mostly due to the large time it took to freeze and release the distribution. Not only did this release update over 73% of the software shipped in the previous version, but it also included much more software than previous releases, almost doubling in size with 9,000 new packages. A new installer replaced the aging boot-floppies installer with a modular design. This allowed advanced installations (with RAID, < 1248873826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "(with RAID" < 1248873829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cut off there < 1248873865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : XFS and LVM support) including hardware detection, making installations easier for novice users. The installation system also boasted full internationalization support as the software was translated into almost forty languages. An installation manual and comprehensive release notes we < 1248873866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re released in ten and fifteen different languages respectively. This release included the efforts of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux, Debian-Med and Debian-Accessibility sub-projects which boosted the number of educational packages and those with a medical affiliation as well as p < 1248873869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackages designed especially for people with disabilities.[9] < 1248873880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1248873884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wikipedia? < 1248873888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1248873956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I hostname this slow but fun Power Macintosh Debian install? :P < 1248873966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AnMaster: No, not "tux".) < 1248873984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... < 1248873995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkDifferent < 1248873999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248874002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1248874005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkslow? < 1248874010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow.thinker? < 1248874014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :br b < 1248874016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb* < 1248874553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand it's downloading and installing the packages. < 1248874948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: How come homeopath's computers don't have the memories of all the rubbish that's ever been on them, like their remedies? < 1248874952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: They zap the PRAM. < 1248874955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(↑↑ WORST JOKE EVER) < 1248874983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Welp, I just installed Quik, so now Mac OS 9 is inaccessible to me. < 1248874992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I attach a serial cable to use OpenFirmware. < 1248874994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. :P < 1248875019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try out my new debian box! < 1248875022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248875175 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248875184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new Debian box is great! I only have two complaints: < 1248875186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Doesn't boot up any more < 1248875188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Could do with some more booting up < 1248875200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that solving 1 will help with 2 < 1248875207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest going for that one first < 1248875208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as do I. < 1248875220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because it's very dependent on Open Firmware, and because the Open Firmware on Old World Macintosh is very buggy and difficult to work with, much of the information on this page describes how to work around firmware problems." < 1248875221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy. < 1248875249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[All you see is a black screen, your keyboard does nothing. Or you just get a white screen, some kind of open firmware boot prompt, and your confused. < 1248875249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universal anwser is zap your PRAM (Parameter RAM). Yes, this resets all your boot settings, and messes up your color and networking settings in Mac OS.]] < 1248875251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zap your PRAM! < 1248875321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Solving it won't exactly be easy, because it just does the chimes and then sits there without any feedback or input. :P < 1248875507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-futuristic-baby-carrier-assault, OS 9 is now strating. < 1248875509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*starting < 1248875516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does not exactly help me get at my Debian system < 1248875519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1248875714 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248876120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The theoretical capacity of a Boeing 747 filled with Blu-Ray discs is 595,520,000 Gigabits, resulting in a 37,034.826 Gb/s flight from New York to Los Angeles." < 1248876146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, ais523. I'm zapping PRAM and patching Open Firmware and planning to upgrade Debian 7 years in a short space of time. < 1248876285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: impressive < 1248876294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1248876344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the newest installation method that works is a floppy containing a Debian sarge netinstall, circa 2002, you know your platform's abandoned. < 1248876361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248876362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sarge < 1248876363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woody < 1248876368 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248876550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wow < 1248876553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what platform is that? < 1248876608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... summary of Slashdot news: Yahoo are now using Bing as their search engine after a deal with Microsoft, and a new type of cloud they've discovered turns out to be created by space shuttle launches < 1248876639 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-25.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248876666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reshoeing" < 1248877107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the platform is a PowerPC Power Mac with an Old World ROM < 1248877113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so it can't boot from CDs) < 1248877120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Macintosh, technically. < 1248877195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been at this for… approaching 24 hours now i think < 1248877211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even plan on using it < 1248877223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attitude to the action is basically doing it :P < 1248877251 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248877361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the main thing i've learned is that classic mac os hates you and does not want you to: install linux; be happy. < 1248877395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can one OS have any opinion on whether you can install another single-boot? < 1248877408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that classic macs hate you, not Mac OS Classic < 1248877488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean mac os classic < 1248877495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're getting what you need to install < 1248877510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, you mustn't let it mount the floppy disk image or floppy while they're writeable < 1248877517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it will indiscriminately dump the bootb its < 1248877519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boot bits < 1248877529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without notification) < 1248877728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even run the OS at all? < 1248877772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you pretty much have to with a classic mac < 1248877782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you technically could totally avoid doing it, but it'd be incredibly difficult < 1248877784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't just boot from a floppy, then? < 1248877791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea < 1248877792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it can. < 1248877813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably, then, the issue is that you need a lot of information from the OS itself to make the disk image < 1248877841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooot really < 1248877844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated < 1248877879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but to give you an idea of the sort of environment, it actually can boot from CDs. as long as said CD is a mac os 8.6 (iirc as to the exact version number; probably newer versions too) install disc. < 1248877882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like complication, or I wouldn't be here < 1248877910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that it attempts to validate the boot media as being genuine? < 1248877920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects they guessed wrong again
< 1248877931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even kno < 1248877932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1248877935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\nw/ < 1248877937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hate this thing :P < 1248877958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy! < 1248877961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1248877962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNJOY < 1248877968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quik-from-mac-os thing don't done no detect < 1248877975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll have to boot the debian floppy again < 1248877976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1248878051 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do not done no detect" sounds weird < 1248878113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps becuse it is < 1248878143 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/does/ ? < 1248878196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds weird because it is weird < 1248878566 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1248878722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: at least you aren't being eaten by sharks yet, better quit while you're ahead < 1248878742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42] ehird: When installing Quik: < 1248878742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42] ehird: "Unable to set the OpenFirmware boot-command variable. < 1248878742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42] ehird: You may have intermittent boot failures." < 1248878743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42] ehird: …very…specific? < 1248878746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure about those sharks? < 1248878750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my leg feels vaguely painful. < 1248880453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, I said woody is 2.4 < 1248880455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually 2.2 < 1248881662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really? < 1248881667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248881668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had woody too on the Performa. I did get a 2.4 kernel mostly working though, I think, maybe. < 1248881682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've found a way to do it modernly < 1248881687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without GOD DAMN FLOPPIES < 1248881834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But FLOPPIES have SOUL, you know. Unlike these cold and mechanistic and plasticy optical things. < 1248881968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can make it even more horrible by using a virtual CD rom drive. < 1248881974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, that might not work with the booting crapolashitfuck.) < 1248882043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can install it GRAPHICALLY, going STRAIGHT TO TESTING. < 1248882045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On to EXT4. < 1248882249 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248882703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Preparing for burn < 1248882704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICE BURN < 1248882882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248882899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel can handle being on ext4, right? < 1248882901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not grub < 1248884412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..ok, why does my flash drive keep unmounting itself? < 1248885335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, it unmounted itself again! < 1248885338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots someone
< 1248886053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch! < 1248886057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job that was only a flesh wound... < 1248886098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, new Fine Structure LD < 1248886099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248886126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you ais523! (good job that was only a spiritual wound?) < 1248886159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stop it < 1248886171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1248886179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I haven't said that for _months_ < 1248886182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whole of 2009 < 1248886186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make it any better now < 1248886187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i retract it blah blah < 1248886206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what just happened? < 1248886214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ais523 really hates people damning him. < 1248886219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it takes a bullet a while to get from your location to mine < 1248886242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: food for thought, though; if I said I found the word "esolang" deeply offensive and cruel, would you stop using it in my presence? < 1248886263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, although in that case you'd be better off leaving this channel, because people tend to use it a lot here < 1248886271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang you, ehird! >.> < 1248886276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ;_; < 1248886279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanie. < 1248886307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm aoulipophobic. i can't stand words with the letter "e" in them. < 1248886310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after this line.) < 1248886507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's eerie < 1248886516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1248886529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you deal with your name < 1248886547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foul ghoul! Why must you taunt my id? < 1248886637 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248886638 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1248886695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because thine id exists in a state of apparent strife with the supposed fear < 1248886756 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248886792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robotic summation! Gasps and wasps! Nightmar— all around— your sayings so; in calm allow me, or I shall inform you: zap! < 1248886830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1248886831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"me" < 1248886834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1248886857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you notice :( < 1248886872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how embarrassing < 1248886872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248886879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did :-P < 1248887125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248887221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248887390 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248888014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248888104 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248888897 0 :hivposi!n=hiv@S01060018f8c17cc5.su.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248889051 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-114-009.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248889388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hivposi: I am truly sorry for your lots < 1248889390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*truley < 1248889500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what inspired hivposi to pick said name
< 1248889526 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boyfriend from highschool < 1248889551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing to say :P < 1248889648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hivposi: if you got cancer would you call yourself braintumo? < 1248889680 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but it would be appropriate regardless < 1248889731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hivposi: are you perhaps looking for magick to cure your ailment? this channel is about programming. < 1248889766 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps once i get some nano technology you can program a cure < 1248889819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… uh… hi? < 1248889849 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nice to meet you < 1248889859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sure is awkward. < 1248889904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, who took the konami code out of the topic? < 1248889907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was there for a reason... < 1248889918 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248889919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Female in chat? Hmm. Been a few years. :P < 1248889939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that happened ages ago, man < 1248889941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no no no < 1248889946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that student person < 1248889949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but the reason has come back again < 1248889951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…liked mathematics < 1248889952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248889958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1248889966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked about drugs above the average amount iirc < 1248889977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mental classification scheme would work better if I had a photographic memory :D < 1248889979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of the do not remove the %s under any circumstances was so people knew what the channel was about < 1248889984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies photographic transformations to fuzzy memories < 1248889986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, why the %s became the konami code is beyond me < 1248890001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not _entirely_ sure it would have helped in this case :P < 1248890027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :"must not be in the topic at all times" must not be in the topic at all times. Also, http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1248890097 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-155-75-100.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248890180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there are more openly gay people here than openly girl people, so how did you know hivposi is a girl? < 1248890215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I find it unlikely in this case. < 1248890233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to at least our general demographics if nothing else. < 1248890234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, right. < 1248890242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More gay geeks than girl geeks. < 1248890260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even without considering the nick, which i associated with posix, not hiv, btw :P < 1248890271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of the girl geeks are homosexual. Whoo. < 1248890275 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248890279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe posix is my weak spot when it comes to puns. < 1248890286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find that to be generally untrue. < 1248890287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was sukoshi? < 1248890294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Bi. < 1248890299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi was totally hot for me < 1248890320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses Sukoshi.
< 1248890334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to be a gigantic asshole and assume that hivposi is an idiot for (a) managing to get HIV in high school and (b) for some strange reason adopting this as a moniker. < 1248890340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss the #esoteric that was about esolangs :D < 1248890341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News update: My asshole has taken off. < 1248890344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now orbiting the earth. < 1248890355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction. Inflationary measures now suggest that the earth is orbiting the asshole. < 1248890374 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infected, bad sense of humour < 1248890379 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 ? < 1248890403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i had tons of unprotected sex in high school < 1248890404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet again i am struck by my inability to detect jokes that show no signs of being so < 1248890411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in elementary school < 1248890416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in preschool? < 1248890419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the womb < 1248890421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much, actually! < 1248890442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds weren't all that popular in preschool < 1248890474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: T-Rex is Lonely is also on Qwantz. < 1248890490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i'm saying is not only idiots get sex diseases < 1248890493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up on Qwantz: Ryan North Fellates Gregor Richards < 1248890498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those who don't like condoms < 1248890501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1248890504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by Also Have I Mentioned Gregor Richards Is Great? < 1248890526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually you're an idiot you just have a free life pass to be one < 1248890541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248890595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could be GregorTheGreat now that rodger is gone < 1248890616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: [[This is basically an experiment in "how silly does a concept have to be before Gregor WON'T buy a domain name for it?"]] < 1248890635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the wrong way round, the sillier, the more likely the domain name happens < 1248890639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toiletry Products That Are Not For (A) Consumption, (B) Sex < 1248890647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await the domain. < 1248890651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, complain to him, not me < 1248890652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote it < 1248890671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: okay wait I have a new one < 1248890690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i staring at irc < 1248890699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you... NOT :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1248890699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1248890712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudsourced Folksonomy Determining the Exact Position of One Single Undetectable Dust Microbe on Russell's Teapot Using Methods Pioneered by the Invisible Pink Unicorn involving Time Cubic Principles < 1248890714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot com < 1248890742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloudsourcedfolksonomydeterminingtheexactpositionofonesingleundetectabledustmicrobeonrussellsteapotusingmethodspioneeredbytheinvisiblepinkunicorninvolvingtimecubicprinciples.com < 1248890759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even fit in a DNS? < 1248890772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1248890775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=0,5&comics=583,869&strip < 1248890782 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's more than 63 characters < 1248890880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just subdomainise it < 1248891310 0 :hivposi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248891319 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll look like an efnet hostmask < 1248891423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248891438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, efnet is so crap < 1248892047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFDEPOSUDMRTUMPIPUTCP < 1248892159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compact flash defecation entering pillock's orifices — say, udders — demonstrating monotheism really turgidly umpires magical picking in Paris: understanding telephony; child pornography. < 1248893044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1248893833 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong. < 1248895456 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248895668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Gnip. < 1248897045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248897404 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248897636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248897958 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-148.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248898175 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248900143 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248900190 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248900234 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1248900253 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248900607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : News update: My asshole has taken off. <-- did you attach a string to it so that we can use it as a space elevator? < 1248900617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248900623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sphincter elevator. < 1248900631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sphinctelevator! < 1248900679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small step for an asshole, a huge step for mankind < 1248901120 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, i thought of "string" as in text string first < 1248901130 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop tricking my mind < 1248901197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And the judge has already denied SCO's request for expedited handling of the motion to shorten notice on its motion to sell the marketing of its Java patent. < 1248901210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SCO bankruptcy is getting more recursive by the day < 1248901251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's requesting expediting a motion to expedite a motion. < 1248901257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248901269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it is *moving* to request expediting a motion to expedite a motion. :P < 1248901405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think all that would take more time than just doing the motion in the first place < 1248901426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, of course, it all seems rather dubious that SCO patented Java in the first place, but you never know... < 1248901485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and SCO tried to sell the stuff from Novell that they still have but doesn't belong to them for $13,129.51, they said it was a typo < 1248901545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is about SCO's worth these days. < 1248901571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite some typoo < 1248901573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typo < 1248901581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proves Muphry's law once again
< 1248901610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO's worth is negative, surely < 1248901618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they operate, iirc, at a loss, and the anti-reputation is huge < 1248901634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including physical assets. < 1248901637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: their accounts showed rather large cash reserves < 1248901645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely their office buildings count for something. < 1248901665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, nobody's entirely sure whether to believe them < 1248901667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: factor in the huge risk of all that disappearing Quite Soon(TM) < 1248901700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with "worth if you liquidated all assets". :P < 1248901717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a mac rom that can run system 6.0.8 is proving difficult < 1248901726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to minimum 7) < 1248901791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially annoying because YOU CAN'T PURCHASE IT < 1248901802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to get it is to hope someone wants to sell/give away theirs < 1248901807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then extract it < 1248901814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god copyright law is stupid < 1248901842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Especially annoying when you consider Apple gives away the OS install disks for free. < 1248901849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(classic Mac OS, that is) < 1248901850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm trying to use them < 1248901856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why? < 1248901859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to please the fanboys? < 1248901870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because they're not worth anything < 1248901873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, given that there isn't much of a use for them but making apple look good < 1248901874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're interesting historical curios < 1248901878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a bunch of people like them a lot < 1248901890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, there are people who, as recently as 2001, used system 6 for their day to day tasks < 1248901899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And, well… http://system7today.com/ < 1248901903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That site actually runs on System 7. < 1248901905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does system 6 come just after system V? < 1248901910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl. < 1248901911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. Debian is switching to timed releases. < 1248901917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's a— pikhq: seriously? < 1248901927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debian: Because, like, let's just become exactly like Ubuntu." < 1248901931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1248901947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a big move going on somewhere to make all major linux distros release on the same timetable? < 1248901952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Two-year cycle. < 1248901956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what a horrible idea < 1248901959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: correction — < 1248901963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't actually believe it would take off < 1248901964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debian: Because, like, let's just become exactly like Ubuntu but a lot worse." < 1248901983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they want to be come Ubuntu feeder < 1248901986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*become < 1248901994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are anyway, but unofficially, and are still useful as an independent OS < 1248901998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're planning to merge, or something < 1248902003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that would be relatively awful < 1248902015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: the next release will be out next year. < 1248902020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've held for a while that Debian should just merge with Ubuntu < 1248902031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give a proper, well-maintained 100% free version alongside, < 1248902036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the good attitude to upstreams < 1248902043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the greatness of Ubuntu < 1248902046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get Canonical's commercial support < 1248902052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. They've got time based *development freezes*. The release will happen after the freeze "when it's ready". < 1248902055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reply to bug reports on time? < 1248902062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1248902068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu are good at integrating, marketing and funding. < 1248902071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian are good at the rest. < 1248902077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separate teams are just counterproductive. < 1248902081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x_x < 1248902281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose anyone has an m68k Macintosh? :P < 1248902945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mr. Spector was arguing that he still had time. One of the IBM lawyers had a stop watch. < 1248902951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spector is SCO's lawyer...) < 1248903168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am impressed with IBM's balls. < 1248903246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a great moment a few weeks ago, where SCO had a last-minute agreement they'd just signed < 1248903256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so recently, in fact, that they only gave IBM and Novell one copy between them < 1248903271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't have more, how terrible < 1248903278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a great move, if a rather unconventional one < 1248903318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a channel for esoteric lawyering... < 1248903376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##nomic < 1248903385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248903469 0 :Pavitra!n=pavitra@c-76-116-53-200.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248903496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Pavitra checks out the fuss here, I take it < 1248903508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a cross-channel issue < 1248903514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of people in common between them < 1248903522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248903543 0 :Pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a lot of ##nomic. Less, proportionally, from #esoteric. < 1248903798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@bobthj/obama < 1248903876 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248903895 0 :Pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wrong channel < 1248903910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all mentioned the word nomic for several lines, so i get one < 1248903912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with it < 1248903925 0 :Pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248903952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to the confused: ehird refuses to join ##nomic < 1248903970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to the unconfused: ais523 delights in pointing out the fact that I don't talk in ##nomic every time it comes up. < 1248903982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do it some more if you like…? < 1248903991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to the notes: Those responsible for the notes have been sacked < 1248904006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to the pikhqs: Yes, but they were replaced by cards! < 1248904015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1248904019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh snap < 1248904041 0 :Pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recursion of that pun is mind-boggling. < 1248904192 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248904197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm still discovering aspects of it < 1248904205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely convinced it isn't mutating behind my back < 1248904824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1248904950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we just did the calculations; apparently, a the weight of a £50 note in gold is worth about 75p at today's mass-market gold prices < 1248904961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where 'we' is an unspecified set of people including me) < 1248904969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a £20 note almost certainly is worth its weight in gold < 1248904985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1248904992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i misread < 1248905018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its volume in gold would almost certainly be worth a lot more < 1248906642 0 :Pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1248907883 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248907926 0 :comex_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1248909293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248909345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :succinct < 1248909350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248909392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is no longer succinct, since the two .'s could obviously have been compressed < 1248909423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1248909448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't think shouting helps < 1248909506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1248909507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*... < 1248909537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*… < 1248909541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1248909552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— < 1248909554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; < 1248909559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1248909560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248909563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- -} < 1248909568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-_-} < 1248910123 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248910140 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248910704 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1248910705 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-182.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248911075 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"