< 1248739205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the shit nobody uses! < 1248739208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all long options, all the time! < 1248739227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… < 1248739237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub 2 booting gnu hurd booting gnome < 1248739241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush you. Long options are nice. < 1248739244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses GNOME < 1248739251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, yes, so do i < 1248739257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: looked at ls --help recently? < 1248739262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm with bazaar to manage your code < 1248739264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when I'm not using Windows >.> < 1248739267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edited in emacs < 1248739274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IceCat! < 1248739282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1248739294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be quite easily, actuall < 1248739294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1248739296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install grub 2 < 1248739301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install Debian/kHURD < 1248739306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install gnome < 1248739309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're pretty much done < 1248739353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although debian isn't really the platonic ideal < 1248739358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get gNewSense/kHURD? :D < 1248739369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gNewSense is just reduced Debian ... < 1248739380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash-rethemed < 1248739383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Exactly, reduced. < 1248739393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But uh, it's Ubuntu, isn't it? < 1248739394 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lonelydino.com? < 1248739397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Debian. < 1248739404 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mebbe, Idonno *shrugs* < 1248739418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Stackless Python a good idea? < 1248739419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, gNewSense/kHURD booted from GRUB 2 = an OS only rms could love. < 1248739423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes and no. < 1248739436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't bother actually using it, though. < 1248739461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yah, it's Ubuntu-based < 1248739469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ugly as fuck. < 1248739516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a script to produce gNewSense from Debian, or somtehing. < 1248739518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gNuisance? < 1248739527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's not your pun, that's theirs. < 1248739541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh >.> < 1248739565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Don't bother coming up with what I falsely think is original stuff < 1248739568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're also the first distribution to remove GLX^, which Debian has ignored for years." < 1248739571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They've published their scripts. < 1248739573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the innovation, gNewSense! < 1248739584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be trivial to modify it for Debian. < 1248739584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Excellent. < 1248739600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLX? < 1248739605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ^GLX is needed for hardware-accelerated 3d graphics in X. Recompiling X, and removing OpenGL, are required due to the non-free SGI Free B license. < 1248739621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gNewSense are providing wonderful innovation by removing all 3d acceleration from X11! < 1248739625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOMFREE AS IN FREEDOM < 1248739634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, "(GLX was removed from gNewSense over its licencing issues, but has been re-introduced apon being freed early in 2009)". HOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY?) < 1248739653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Never mind that X's GL support is not actually an OpenGL implementation. < 1248739674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[While Builder is geared towards gNewSense, with some modification it can be used to create and maintain a fork of any .deb based distribution.]] < 1248739678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mesa != OpenGL. It just happens to be bug-for-bug compatible. :P < 1248739679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS WOULD BE PROUD < 1248739688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now taking donations for a completely free system < 1248739690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coreboot and the rest < 1248739691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248739707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick 100 photographs of rms all over the case. < 1248739713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They do not just say "all-free fork of any .deb-based distribution". < 1248739723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nonono, I mean < 1248739727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS would be proud because it means I can use it < 1248739736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248739742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREEDOM FREE AS IN FREEDOM FREE < 1248739743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the amazing coreboot/GRUB 2/HURD/gNewSense/GNOME monstrosity. < 1248739769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, LiveCDs are available from our Mirrors. You only need to download 30GB if you want to use Builder to create your own distribution." < 1248739769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More hardcore than Stallman. < 1248739773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…30GB? < 1248739773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248739796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole set of .debs. < 1248739797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll make the bootup sound the Free Software song. < 1248739812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP! Krrrnkrkrrrrnkkrrrrnk……………… JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE < 1248739815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUUU'LL BE FREEEEEEEEEE, HACKERS < 1248739818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUUUU'LL BE FREEEEEEEEE < 1248739827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it plays it out in total before showing the log in box < 1248739861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I attempt to learn wxPython, or are there better GUI frameworks to learn? < 1248739864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A system even Stallman couldn't love. < 1248739877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just use a gtk or qt binding. < 1248739878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hsGTK? < 1248739887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross platform frameworks, in my experience, are simply The Suck. < 1248739892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gtkhs, actually. < 1248739900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Right. < 1248739908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gtk2hs, actually. :P < 1248739965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is suggesting to install PythonCard?????? < 1248739986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…what? < 1248739993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Python wiki is worthless. < 1248739999 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PythonCard is a crutch. I used it once because I needed the crutch. < 1248740002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just use a gtk binding, seriously. < 1248740025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I commandest thou. < 1248740032 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248740032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248740059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Version 2.4 Last updated 2005-04-13" < 1248740064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^PyGTK < 1248740064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just < 1248740065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use < 1248740066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1248740071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ok, so use another one. < 1248740079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1248740080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.pygtk.org/ < 1248740084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 may 2009 < 1248740087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's totally 2005. < 1248740098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pygtk.org/tutorial.html < 1248740105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what? < 1248740131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current version is 2.15 < 1248740140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…yes? < 1248740162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the tutorial dangerously out-of-date, or out-of-date in a way that won't hurt me? < 1248740182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=pygtk+tutorial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 < 1248740193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't hard, man < 1248740197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take some initiative < 1248740207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1248740212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248740216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn to Google. < 1248740226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what "take some initiative" means :-P < 1248740268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping for a more official tutorial, I guess < 1248740554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.bardejov = gtk.gdk.pixbuf_new_from_file("bardejov.jpg") < 1248740604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.yourmom = ... < 1248740666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that this tutorial is crap < 1248740761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first decision Sgeo's ever made on his own : < 1248740762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248740768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248740769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:\n:P/:P/ < 1248741260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may change his mind < 1248741336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is an /r/IAmA addict < 1248741510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. IAmA shithead < 1248742407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nice integration. a man:ufw link on ubuntu's website popped up a dialog asking if I wanted to open it in the gnome help viewer thingy < 1248742426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF AnMaster? You're ignored, stop appearing on my screen. < 1248742440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why am I ignored though < 1248742444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf you're not in the ignore list any more < 1248742446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your ignore must be broken < 1248742446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1248742461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haxored your computer of c0urse < 1248742463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1248742468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I ignored you because I don't talk to people whose argumentative method is typing in uppercase < 1248742491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, man:foo works. apt:foo does too. < 1248742491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it turned out I was right though. I think ais relayed that < 1248742494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248742501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wow. apt: is cool < 1248742534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers convincing a user to add a new repo then give him/her apt:malware < 1248742547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just tell them to type 'sudo apt-get install malware' < 1248742549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it fails because of the "adding a new repo bit" < 1248742562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, I don't care whether you were right; there are plenty of atheists whose argument is "YOU'RE A FUCKEN SHEEP GOD IS NOT REAL BECAUSE YOU'RE A SHEEP"; they're right that god isn't real, but they're still idiots. < 1248742575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't remember using upper case < 1248742578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1248742590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to argue about that any more < 1248742592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:25:19 ehird, ^ < 1248742592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:25:22 HAPPY NOW? < 1248742610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffice to say that xchat works after updating gtkspell to last version < 1248742642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, meanwhile I finally got around to setting up genera < 1248742647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in virtualbox < 1248742650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy indeed < 1248742654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What host OS? < 1248742654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it *almost* working < 1248742655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: NOW STOP BEING SILLY < 1248742664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NEVER < 1248742678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UR STUPID! < 1248742682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ubuntu in the vm because that was all I could find instructions for _and_ it seemed horribly complex anyway < 1248742684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU'RE A FAGGOT < 1248742700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, plus I already had the iso downloaded < 1248742709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier to install it < 1248742712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IS YOUR FACE < 1248742717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used "expert install" though < 1248742719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fun < 1248742720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it's a VM running an emulator for an obscure architecture with old software, hacked so that it claws at various parts of the filesystem. < 1248742725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly… pretty. < 1248742759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, expert mode for install of ubuntu was fun. It was like the worse than LFS + a lot automated: < 1248742762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples: < 1248742779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asked after I selected keyboard layout if I had an AltGr key, and if so where < 1248742786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't ask about what packages to install < 1248742788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu's expert install is basically Debian's install, which is very similar to Arch's install. < 1248742796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because asking for the packages defeats the point < 1248742800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is the one package, ubuntu-deskto < 1248742800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1248742814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never remove it or its dependencies < 1248742814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the base set of desktop packages are kept in sync < 1248742815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what a deskto\np us < 1248742815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that apps can be added/removed/replaced each version < 1248742822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: /me wonders what us is. < 1248742828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/deskto\np/desktop/ < 1248742830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, damn you too fast < 1248742841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, not even arch asks if you have an altgr key < 1248742844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and compose too < 1248742856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what /me is < 1248742857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Bill_Clinton < 1248742859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it asked some other extremely strange things < 1248742865 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. < 1248742873 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "is" means is and never has been, that is one thing. < 1248742875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248742876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill_Clinton, what is this a reference to? < 1248742880 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. < 1248742892 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Bill Clinton justifying "there's nothing going on between us" wrt Monica Lewinsky. < 1248742898 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blowjobs meet Aristotle. < 1248742900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1248742911 0 :Bill_Clinton!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1248742924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1248742925 0 :Xiin_!n=X@cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248742933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "is" == "right now"... < 1248742936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice definition < 1248742940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that :P < 1248742957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not using Windows < 1248742960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, took several seconds to work THAT one out heh < 1248742971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not in Second Life < 1248742976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not being molested by a bear < 1248742980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not drinking petrol < 1248742985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ How to know you're living a good life < 1248742987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I'm using my desktop but with krdc to do remote dekstop. Much better position of monitor < 1248743005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm not sure you understand the point of laptops :P < 1248743020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But it isn't working 8 hours in front of one < 1248743026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hurts my neck < 1248743031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny how VNC over a fast enough connection will be faster. < 1248743036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(than the connecter) < 1248743036 0 :Xiin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1248743039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since your laptop is faster) < 1248743041 0 :Xiin_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Xiin < 1248743047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1248743051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually depends < 1248743056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D over it sucks it seems < 1248743062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, duh. < 1248743063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I had to file a bug in ubuntu < 1248743063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using his laptop at his desk. His desktop is Pentium III, 512MB nVidia RIVA TNT2 < 1248743067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the link < 1248743069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Heh; link? < 1248743071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ouch < 1248743073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1248743076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel for you. < 1248743086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1248743100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop uses Intel Integrated graphics, but that's still better than TNT2 < 1248743103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think this measly Core 2 Duo 2.16ghz w/ just 2.5GB of RAM and some crappy ATI Radeon card annoys me :-P < 1248743108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/405339 < 1248743110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1248743112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems some dev looked at it < 1248743130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was worth the ~£1,000 in 2006, though. < 1248743132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice machine. < 1248743154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That looks incredibly automated. < 1248743161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least copy-paste. < 1248743161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1248743162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, didn't realize that this laptop was Dual Core or whatever? < 1248743167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see 2 processors < 1248743175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Centrino Duo < 1248743184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, I doubt you have 2 actual processors in there :P < 1248743194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love being nostalgic about things I never experienced. < 1248743198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, dual Pentium 4 boards. < 1248743210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used one. < 1248743213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor 0: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2050 @ 160GHz < 1248743218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor 1: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2050 @ 160GHz < 1248743219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also functioned as a space heater. < 1248743222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :160GHz?! < 1248743225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1248743226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248743226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1248743228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.60 < 1248743232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my computer lobe fetishises the concept of "workstation". < 1248743234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOT DAMN. < 1248743248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant 1.60 GHz < 1248743249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because I remember my dad's Pentium 4 tower, and how the case was taller than other comptuers. < 1248743253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems… cool. < 1248743259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This really isn't a super-secret NSA computer < 1248743261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1248743262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual processors! Tall cases! Sun! UltraSPARC! < 1248743272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19" liquid crystal display! < 1248743302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also enamoured with old clusters of 80s/90s commodity (i.e. 300mhz) hardware. < 1248743316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well I shall make them happy < 1248743317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248743323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I suspect it quitted not crashed < 1248743331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quitted; "quat"! < 1248743338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man quat, my new favourite word. < 1248743342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, the application quat on me." < 1248743352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (But really — "quit" not "quitted") < 1248744084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually it did crash it seems < 1248744091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vino is cool < 1248744100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however I doubt most users would have managed to debug this < 1248744105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to attach gdb to a running process < 1248744124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and most people probably wouldn't be able to find out how) < 1248744140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of — even most, I'd say — Ubuntu users don't even know what the Terminal is for and have never opened it. < 1248744141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… yeah. < 1248744180 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely :| < 1248744181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I had to google how. Since I couldn't find it in gdb --help output < 1248744189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: No, very likely. < 1248744194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least one. < 1248744196 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that < 1248744206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because non-technical people use Ubuntu, too < 1248744210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, are you agreeing or disagreeing? < 1248744232 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeing < 1248744234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Pthing's stuck in the "Linux is for übernerds and it's impossible for it to be usable by nontechnical people (who are inherently idiotic)" mindset. < 1248744237 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll know what it's for < 1248744238 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1248744243 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i am stuck in the < 1248744261 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people aren't idiots and know what the magic black dos window is for, and they've followed instructions to use it at least once" < 1248744263 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindset < 1248744278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, that is equally outdated < 1248744279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least one who doesn't because they've never had to use it. < 1248744290 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of how many people who use ubuntu that you know < 1248744292 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that < 1248744294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nobody who isn't a geek knows what a DOS prompt looks like is. < 1248744296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ is// < 1248744299 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1248744301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I can just look at my dad that doesn't even know what "c:" is for < 1248744306 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the black dos box < 1248744311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Uhh, you're an idiot. < 1248744316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only since he got an usb memory stick he knows what "my computer" is for < 1248744319 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people know about the black dos box! < 1248744326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I wouldn't even recommend him to use ubuntu < 1248744345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however he is quite good at one thing. Some sort of statistical application called "SPSS" < 1248744350 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, saying that most people have no idea what the magic black thing is < 1248744351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and word. < 1248744359 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is *way* more "linux is for ubernerds" < 1248744360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, yes I'm saying tha < 1248744360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Everyone I've turned to Ubuntu has resoundingly said it's easier than Windows < 1248744362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that* < 1248744368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: no, it's not < 1248744371 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. < 1248744388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he needs SPSS. I doubt it would run under wine. And it is his work that pays for the computer < 1248744391 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making out like the command line prompt is this amazingly obscure piece of the OS < 1248744395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1248744396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so changing OS would be risky < 1248744396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your assertions are beaten by my living counterevidence < 1248744400 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody has ever seen anything like it except for ubernerds < 1248744402 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas < 1248744408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't even care about arguing about your cognitive biases. < 1248744410 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody has used computers for any length of time < 1248744418 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be entirely *aware* of the DOS command line < 1248744422 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they never used it much < 1248744423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to delusionville, population: billions < 1248744434 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248744435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think lots of people seen it. But then forgot it again, along with the "do you really want to run this active X control" dialog < 1248744437 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're like < 1248744437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248744438 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1248744439 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248744440 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248744443 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme calculate < 1248744446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ooh, I like this one < 1248744446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, becuase it pops up during service pack update < 1248744449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because* < 1248744450 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no listen < 1248744451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the one where you rebut my arguments by saying i'm young < 1248744453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1248744453 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not insulting you < 1248744454 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1248744455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for half a second < 1248744458 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, listen. < 1248744466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, how old are you < 1248744466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't recall that < 1248744471 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 < 1248744473 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I will explain < 1248744478 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is relevant, not an ad hominem < 1248744485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm listening. Skeptically. < 1248744486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok. Only for like half a second. and that is XP SP3. No idea about vista < 1248744512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, the sum of our ages are much greater than your age :P < 1248744514 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ever fucked around with autoexec.bat to get a DOS game working because of the stupid himem requirements? < 1248744519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm quite close to your age < 1248744521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Yes. < 1248744529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, statistically, NOBODY DOES THAT. < 1248744533 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to! < 1248744534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, I'm not sure I've done that in particular. < 1248744535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1248744537 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my point. < 1248744541 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People USED to have to do that < 1248744544 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the brief period between < 1248744547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: How many people do you actually know that have used a computer? < 1248744548 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) everyone uses DOS < 1248744553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, lots of people didn't use computers back then < 1248744556 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) windows XP made everything nice < 1248744557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them don't know what the fuck Windows is. < 1248744559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think internet is the E. < 1248744565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't know what a tab is. < 1248744569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people only getting computers a few years ago < 1248744569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other program is Word. < 1248744572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a virus? < 1248744575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the shiny ad banner! < 1248744581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never using dos under windows 9x < 1248744587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is condescending; I'm using hyperbole to counter. < 1248744592 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to counter what? < 1248744599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot outlook express < 1248744601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248744610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everyone who's used a computer for long enough knows about cmd.exe" < 1248744613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply, truly false. < 1248744624 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't necessarily *conceptualise* it as cmd.exe < 1248744625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What is that? My email is hot mail dot com. < 1248744631 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything but "the black dos box" < 1248744632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: why would they have ever seen it? < 1248744634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah right. Nowdays that < 1248744634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never run programs < 1248744636 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of ways! < 1248744638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from IE and word < 1248744643 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose their computer broke, right < 1248744646 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had to find some nerd < 1248744652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Hi, this is your uncle < 1248744654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you fix my computer? < 1248744655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, bye. < 1248744658 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure uncle < 1248744660 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me have a look < 1248744661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back, is it done yet? < 1248744664 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION types cmd.exe < 1248744665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's good. Bye now. < 1248744671 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY PTHING, WHAT'S THAT BLACK THING < 1248744672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, they don't look < 1248744673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: sorry, i'm already looking away. < 1248744674 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1248744678 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been asked lots of times < 1248744680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this. because I have been in that position < 1248744680 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the black thing is < 1248744683 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1248744688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just sit a bit away and look without seeing < 1248744696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't fix computers for free any more anyway :P < 1248744710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly ask something at some point but give up at a highly technical answer < 1248744725 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248744729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nor do I any more. Except for parents. Due to still living at home this is tactical < 1248744730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they don't remember the black box < 1248744735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not nearly important enough for them to remember < 1248744738 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1248744740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black box, it's dos, uhhh okay < 1248744741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drops out of mind < 1248744743 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248744745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, YES! < 1248744746 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still there < 1248744748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time < 1248744750 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have *been exposed to it* < 1248744753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that black box? < 1248744755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dos < 1248744756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh okay < 1248744758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leak* < 1248744764 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1248744773 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously do think, not being patronising or insulting or anything < 1248744775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Pthing: It's like the "do you want to run this active x control" leak! < 1248744782 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is due to the OVERWHELMING GAP OF YEARS BETWEEN US < 1248744785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure asking an offhand question about a black box and ignoring the answer counts as being exposed < 1248744791 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you are right < 1248744791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "security cert invalid" leak < 1248744798 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people have started using computers since < 1248744802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1248744807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, not such a large gap for me. I'm 19 < 1248744811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248744812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: 9 years isn't exactly overwhelming. < 1248744816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parents used mac for ages < 1248744822 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the magical realm of computers, ehird! < 1248744831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's that black box?" < 1248744833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magic" < 1248744835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, moore's law? < 1248744841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is about silicon. < 1248744841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try that next time! < 1248744850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... yes < 1248744873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but my point is stuff change fast as a "spin off effect" of that when it comes to computer < 1248744881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1248744885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pointless anyway < 1248744885 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is this reasoning that makes me think you are mostly incorrect in your assertion. < 1248744887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 386 couldn't have run a nice UI as xp < 1248744888 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu seems to me < 1248744897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I asked a nontechnical ubuntu user what that terminal entry is without clicking on it < 1248744899 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to presently be in the same kind of situation that windows computing was in all those years ago < 1248744902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd give me a blank stare < 1248744904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nor would stuff fit on the harddrives from then < 1248744906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: um, no < 1248744911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ubuntu users never have to use the terminal < 1248744911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1248744928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1248744928 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the absence of any actual evidence < 1248744935 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all either of us has for that is our gut feeling < 1248744939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could easily avoid that yes < 1248744940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only give the anecdotal because i'm not running a fucking study < 1248744945 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have your one guy who doesn't know < 1248744946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not a gut feeling < 1248744952 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the one guy < 1248744957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to make use of more advanced features < 1248744962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the fucking printer/scanner combo worked without any drivers < 1248744964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in xsane of all things < 1248744973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um...? and? < 1248744976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does in gentoo too < 1248744980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xsane isn't exactly the most user-friendly of software < 1248744981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is < 1248744986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I have to install cups of course there < 1248744988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in no aspect was it more technical or less user friendly than windows < 1248744990 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth < 1248744995 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably somewhere in the middle~~ < 1248744996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but point is, cups and hplip are pre-installed < 1248744997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I posit, in most cases it is MORE < 1248745007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just hook my printer/scanner up < 1248745009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1248745016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not relevant < 1248745022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now close all terminals on the laptop and try the printer < 1248745040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: i see you're using ubuntu; I believe this is contributing to your bias < 1248745041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically < 1248745043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're technial < 1248745045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical < 1248745046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use ubuntu < 1248745053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you have to use the terminal and other arcana more < 1248745056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get your technical stuff done < 1248745061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus shifting your general perception of ubuntu < 1248745067 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't have denied it even if you'd asked, and not VERSION'd me! < 1248745079 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, this psychology game goes both ways < 1248745081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :versioning requires less cognitive overhead :P < 1248745089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, most of that stuff is stuff you'd use the terminal for on OS X. < 1248745090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way: getting this printer to work under windows was a PITA < 1248745094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably couldn't do on Windows. < 1248745094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buggy installer < 1248745094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248745097 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ACCUSE YOU OF WARCRIMES < 1248745099 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically < 1248745100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works flawlessly under linux < 1248745109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can really recommend HP for printers < 1248745112 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overcompensating for YOUR OWN technical wizardry < 1248745120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: BUT THE TRUMP CARD: < 1248745121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there it popped up a dialog asking me about the printer on ubuntu < 1248745123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE < 1248745123 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1248745124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCH < 1248745125 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1248745126 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1248745131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhh pwn < 1248745140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, HP makes good printers and has wonderful Linux support. < 1248745141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking me to add it with all stuff except letter/a4 filled out correctly < 1248745150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT is a bit more than gentoo does < 1248745161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: didn't even ask $user on ubuntu < 1248745161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there I have to use the cups webadmin thiny for printing < 1248745164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just appeared in the print dialog < 1248745171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, user? < 1248745172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1248745173 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I *would* accept your original, weaker assertion < 1248745180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nontechnical person human. < 1248745186 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there exist *a lot* of Ubuntu users who don't know or use the terminal < 1248745192 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems undeniable. < 1248745198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1248745210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: i think we're agreeing < 1248745214 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only all of those grannies who have nerdy grandsons < 1248745216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it asked user here. But everything except paper format correctly filled out < 1248745216 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they set it up < 1248745225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, scanning wouldn't require that though < 1248745227 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can use the internets and post pictures of cats and jesus and knitting and whatever < 1248745246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: What, exactly, is your point? < 1248745247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu's install process consists of blindly clicking next :P < 1248745250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i gotta go < 1248745254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I'M 13 < 1248745257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WE SLEEP < 1248745261 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that although I entirely agree with this, I suspect ehird is INCORRECT AND NEEDS TO GO FOR A NAP < 1248745264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: LIES < 1248745264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange but true < 1248745270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sleep BEFORE SIX AM < 1248745271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1248745272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1248745277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :← < 1248745279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, partitioning has a sane default? < 1248745279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time. < 1248745282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1248745282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1248745283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1248745285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248745288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248745307 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-wing hate groups, though. < 1248745315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, what about them? < 1248745337 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen stats for them and they mostly seem to use IE6 < 1248745354 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largely, anyway < 1248745364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, anyway I needed to click next 7 times iirc when installing ubuntu... I was *confused* by it because I'm used to stuff like Arch Linux and Gentoo < 1248745376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering where on earth package selection was < 1248745380 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well man you are having entirely the opposite problem < 1248745407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, yeah of course < 1248745424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I wouldn't be *here* if I was the other type of user would I? < 1248745447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and xsane works out of box with no config stuff or installing anything < 1248745452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice test page printed by cups < 1248745457 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably not, no. < 1248745457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they customised it for ubuntu < 1248745464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the usual cups one < 1248745465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, ? < 1248745470 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have stumbled here looking for like < 1248745477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, the other one < 1248745478 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secrets of the rosicrucian freemasons of mu < 1248745478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248745487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have been here for ages about programming < 1248745487 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATLANTIS CHAPTER < 1248745499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006? 2007? something like that < 1248745525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun thing: it was ehird who invited me originally < 1248745613 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stick by what I said, btw < 1248745619 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1248745628 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My natural tendency is to think the same < 1248745637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, you mean you are stubborn? < 1248745656 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I keep getting surprised - mildly surprised - by bumping into people who know what the command line is on some level < 1248745666 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I keep having to revise this assumption < 1248745685 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a particularly *deep* understanding of it < 1248745694 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definite recognition < 1248745695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, bumping into them where? < 1248745706 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like when I fix their computer < 1248745717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, what OS does it run? < 1248745717 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're about my age, though < 1248745719 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or older < 1248745720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1248745723 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, windows usually < 1248745726 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is hilarious < 1248745729 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I keep going like < 1248745734 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRRR CD < 1248745741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1248745743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248745745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't keep the cd? < 1248745746 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then sometimes they ask why I keep making hilarious mistakes < 1248745750 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to go :x < 1248745780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I refuse to touch any windows computer which lacks cygwin < 1248745787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is nasty and horrible < 1248745788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1248745793 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you are a crazy religious person < 1248745795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no cygwin" is even worse < 1248745817 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking at you now < 1248745819 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am hearing < 1248745822 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STONE ALL ADULTERESSES < 1248745829 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T EAT SWINEFLESH < 1248745834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to make double clicking on a *.aac play the file under ubuntu < 1248745841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get errors about not being able to decode < 1248745848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... I don't know about this "totem" < 1248745853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always used mplayer and vlc < 1248745878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, yeah right. I'm an atheist :P < 1248745894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure about that either < 1248745984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn crippling for patents < 1248745984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1248746005 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are codecs available for it somewhere i think < 1248746012 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the huge packs, poorly hidden < 1248746036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, no need for codec since there is libfaad which is open source < 1248746043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be able to use it < 1248746104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh whatever, can wait < 1248746355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is normal temperature for a mobile core2? < 1248746371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that it easily hits 62 C without fan spinning up < 1248746383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact fan seems to always be at close to zero < 1248746385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248746425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is reported by acpi as about 1990-2000 RPM all the time... but I never hear any fan noise at all < 1248746428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor disk < 1248747812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1248749234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lonelydino.com/ wooh < 1248749240 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better yet, somebody who is utterly not me will be uploading them :P < 1248749714 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my blackboard is almost complete! < 1248749726 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1248749781 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it" < 1248753428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lonelydino.com/ wooh content < 1248758213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248758430 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-193.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1248760263 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." < 1248765187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1248765356 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-193.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1248766900 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"A day without sunshine is like .... night" < 1248767999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248768000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248768099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: just out of curiosity, what's the difference between not you, and utterly not you? is it nearly as great as between you and not you? < 1248769268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is that a daily comic < 1248770196 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248771658 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248771709 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248771728 0 :Xiin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248771728 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248771728 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248771728 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248771762 0 :Xiin!n=X@cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248771762 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248771762 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248771762 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1248772440 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-84.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248776921 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.104.254.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248777020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50:17 i am looking at you now < 1248777020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50:19 and I am hearing < 1248777021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50:22 STONE ALL ADULTERESSES < 1248777021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50:29 DON'T EAT SWINEFLESH < 1248777021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1248777024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50:34 * AnMaster wonders how to make double clicking on a *.aac play the file under ubuntu < 1248777030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install the codecs from your local package manager < 1248777044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53:56 Pthing, no need for codec since there is libfaad which is open source < 1248777046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that is a codec < 1248777061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:59:15 what is normal temperature for a mobile core2? < 1248777061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:59:31 I don't like that it easily hits 62 C without fan spinning up < 1248777066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it back send it back! < 1248777067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right < 1248777076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it broken? < 1248777090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never strays over 63 for more than a second though < 1248777090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily but temperatures >=60 are… not good < 1248777098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does it idle at? < 1248777114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, idle temp? around 30-35 < 1248777122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's fine < 1248777130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tweak your bios fan control settings? < 1248777137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, will look at that in a bit < 1248777141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1248777153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, fingerprint reader is too new to be supported under linux yet < 1248777163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1248777167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you cope < 1248777167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone posted an initial trace of it and there is work under way < 1248777176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not a major issue for me :P < 1248777213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This Turtle Has An Awesome Orgasm < 1248777214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1248777225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, running windows under virtualbox tends to make it hit 58-61 C on one core and a bit lower on the other core < 1248777235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the second core is always slightly warmer than the other one < 1248777243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 C vs 31 C atm < 1248777260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one of them is closer to some hot component < 1248777265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: check the non-core temperature < 1248777290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which one? There are like a gazillionplex of temp sensors in this < 1248777295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even battery has one < 1248777297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ultrabay < 1248777299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1248777301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, the cpu one. < 1248777353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah overall cpu one... well that one *always* report the same as the hottest core. +/- 1 second update lag. < 1248777386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try stressing the two cpus < 1248777387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1248777399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f () { while true; do; done } < 1248777400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f & f < 1248777405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox might not max them out < 1248777437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need something more for bash to accept that: < 1248777444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use zsh < 1248777445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248777450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change to: < 1248777453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do; :; done < 1248777459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use zsh! < 1248777480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, "do :" < 1248777482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp is rising as expected < 1248777483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need that ; < 1248777487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1248777496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, just measure what it peaks at. < 1248777511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52/55 atm < 1248777522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1248777532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan speed has gone from 1908 > 1988 < 1248777538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is at 53/58 < 1248777543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow, 1988? < 1248777549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fan's working hard < 1248777553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I still can't hear the fan < 1248777557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the speed reported though < 1248777562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if the fan's at 1988rpm, it should be below 58… < 1248777573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56/61 < 1248777574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: put your head to it < 1248777577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the fan actually on? < 1248777586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... maybe not... < 1248777596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be faulty motor etc < 1248777618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 60 is quite low for a passive core 2 without a good heatsink… < 1248777627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess the mobile has an effect, obviously < 1248777635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peaked at 63/63 < 1248777757 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1248777780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well going to check for fan stuff in bios now. If I can't find anything I'm going to try http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed < 1248777786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1248777787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if I can speed it up < 1248777790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the fan first physically < 1248777793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's on < 1248777798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where would it be < 1248777799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248777806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the hottest place < 1248777806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1248777813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch. like with your hands. < 1248777826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not with your lap. unless you want to be infertile.) < 1248777873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the hottest place, and probable place for exit air is near where the power cable enter < 1248777875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enters* < 1248777881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just move your ear around < 1248777883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hear a fan… < 1248777898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to change room, my desktop is a bit noisy in the bg.. brb < 1248777932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248777933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1248777934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idle temperature is typically around 30-50°C. < 1248777934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temperature at full utilisation is around 60-70°C. < 1248777939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1248777953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't hear the fan, worth putting it up a bit < 1248777961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that source is from thinkwiki btw) < 1248778121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1248778528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 C now. < 1248778539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just connected to bouncer from laptop < 1248778549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no away log since desktop was never disconnected < 1248778562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248778566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 C < 1248778583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody said anything < 1248778587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you tweak the temps? < 1248778588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some air flow near the outlet < 1248778593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1248778597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ fan < 1248778599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no fan noise < 1248778602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248778605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely none? < 1248778611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean that fancontrol stuff? No < 1248778622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer is completely inaudible with your ear right next to it? < 1248778638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well with ear next to it there is a very faint sound < 1248778641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be harddrive < 1248778643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1248778651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: boot into bios < 1248778652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup < 1248778656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't spin the harddrive there < 1248778658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though harddrive is in the opposite end < 1248778680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the noise is different with ear nere hd < 1248778689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248778705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, eliminate the HD from the equation so you can be sure < 1248778734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also this room is no longer quiet due to mom deciding to melt butter (it's the kitchen) < 1248778749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dissociating that from context and it's funny < 1248778751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves to living room. < 1248778759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *walks in, gets butter* < 1248778766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *melts butter* < 1248778772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *pours melted butter out* < 1248778774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *walks out* < 1248778778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248778785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a job well done! < 1248778833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, peaking at 61/66 atm < 1248778851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system monitor in ubuntu reports 100/100 for cpu load < 1248778858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be going higher < 1248778862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248778872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248778874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be fine < 1248778880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but < 1248778888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, there might be a fan noise, but it isn't at 1993 rpm < 1248778888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go in to the bios and force the fan's lowest speed to the highest it can go and then reboot < 1248778895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what is reported < 1248778896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993rpm should really be making noise < 1248778904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 3000rpm doesn't or whatever, it's not running < 1248778912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe fan speed is misreported < 1248778923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it, anyway < 1248778924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't see a setting for it in bios... but will look again < 1248779263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was in bios but found no setting for it < 1248779275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run one of the fan control thingies from thinkwiki then < 1248779280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1248779282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to boost it up temporarily\ < 1248779285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1248779288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1248779359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To enable fan control, the module parameter fan_control=1 must be given to thinkpad-acpi. " < 1248779366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.losethos.com/FBI.html is gone :-( < 1248779389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:mTVkrnVdYREJ:www.losethos.com/FBI.html+http://www.losethos.com/FBI.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari < 1248779390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1248779434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248779441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hope God is happy. Are you happy, God? God talks to me. I try to make Him happy. I do comics as offerings and He talks back. You have to hold-up your end of the conversation." — losethos2, 2007-11-19, OSnews < 1248779447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly irretrievably insane. < 1248779711 0 :anm_ub!n=AnMaster@d83-177-5-115.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248779715 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan works ehird < 1248779717 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1248779748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER < 1248779753 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo level 7 > /proc/ibm/fan # slowly more and more sound, until it reaches a quite noticable level < 1248779763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM ey? < 1248779766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to tell them first < 1248779768 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same module < 1248779773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248779774 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248779783 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :module renamed "thinkpad_acpi" < 1248779783 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248779789 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :renaming interface would break stuff < 1248779804 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you are supposed to use /sys nowdays < 1248779809 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248779818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I could execute a command that punches you every time you try and ruin my jokes, i'd… uhh < 1248779819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it a lot? < 1248779837 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when at most noise reported speed was 3064 RPM < 1248779844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1248779850 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was quite low noise level compared to my desktop < 1248779869 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the cpu fan alone is running at around that speed < 1248779878 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is the GPU fan and the PSU fan < 1248779888 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the speeds of them < 1248779942 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the harddrive seems to make a sound at around the same pitch as a crt monitor when it is seeking btw. But you only hear it with the ear close to < 1248779954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure every HD does. < 1248779958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by their nature < 1248779982 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. my desktop makes a much lower freq sound when seeking < 1248779987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1248780075 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed#Using_a_stock_kernel <-- a bit wtf though: < 1248780087 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you receive a PERMISSION DENIED error you can use the following command syntax instead as a work-around: < 1248780087 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# echo level 0 (fan off) < 1248780096 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just outputting to the terminal? < 1248780104 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure no permission denied < 1248780106 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248780109 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very useful either! < 1248780122 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't call it a "workaround" as such < 1248780133 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248780143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248780268 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway bbl moving back to usual room < 1248780272 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248780303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell < 1248780435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1248780482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:mTVkrnVdYREJ:www.losethos.com/FBI.html+http://www.losethos.com/FBI.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari <-- huh what is it about < 1248780507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: exactly < 1248780515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously the bible < 1248780517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see yesterday's logs for explanation; basically he's a totally crazy nutjob that has a really, really crazy operating system < 1248780524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and posts on reddit about it < 1248780525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't understand what about it < 1248780526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is hilariously insane < 1248780530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his OS is hilariously insane < 1248780543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it talks about c:\* and such so it runs on top of windows? < 1248780545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an os that asks god what the user wants to do so the user doesn't have to do anything < 1248780557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the os is a "secondary" one because it's useless as shit < 1248780563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248780568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from "tongues", anyway, I guess it's basically grabbing random words from the bible < 1248780572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a "secondary OS" < 1248780583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some choice reddit posts of his: < 1248780593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I used to argue with the answerbook.]] // no context whatsoever to this one < 1248780599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There is no GPL code in LoseThos, it's 100% professional quality.]] < 1248780604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when questioned wtf he meant: < 1248780608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[By definition, it's not professional.]] < 1248780618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he keeps resubmitting his os with a different title < 1248780619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over and over < 1248780627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I think it's funny -- if you presented God of the old testament to people in disguise, they'd call Him Satan! people have a proud of heart notion of God that they could never sincerely love. Mom said heaven is a never ending family reunion! Be careful what you wish for, though, God told me war was "servicemen competing". Yikes! < 1248780627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God says... etexts smell remittest really necessarily died harbouring adorned glided neglecting slumbers list passing AM very recite protect wearied moments Gutenberg preventedst directing < 1248780627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to share a couple hilarious passages from the old Testament, but they're too long. The book of Numbers chapter 11 is hilarious.]] < 1248780639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think etexts is in the bible; some other corpus < 1248780650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Don't be an America hater. Don't reject gifts from God. Little girls are made of sugar and spice... God gives toys, not just cloths on Christmas:]] // ew < 1248780660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[if you guys really care about abortion, why don't you argue from the Bible? There's plenty of stuff to support abortion. At issue is hatred of religion. < 1248780660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with feminazi lesbo's who love dead babies? I don't get it? Why do they care so much about making dead babies? < 1248780661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pearls of wisdom: evolution obsessed people are all NAZI's who want to exterminate blacks. Pro-choice women are all lesbo's.]] < 1248780663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ that's my favourite < 1248780670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1248780676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's totally crazy :D < 1248780677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he a bible fanatic or hater? < 1248780682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that about satan above < 1248780687 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248780690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's christian but i don't even know < 1248780714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says he's an "evolutionist" and "believes" in evolution (total fail there already) then goes and compares it to nazism < 1248780723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Umm... You're not confusing Godtalk with spam, are you? Stare at it a while and you'll begin to comprehend. haven't you read the Bible? interpreting stuff from God is a skill.]] < 1248780736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this post: < 1248780741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear reddit, can you do something about spam? < 1248780742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lately I am seeing a lot of spam on "rising" and "new" sections of proggit. May be signing up on reddit is easier and hence spamming reddit is easier, but reddit needs to do something about it (also folks visiting "rising" and "new" sections should downvote such links) < 1248780746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah losethos < 1248780751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're talking about your god talk. < 1248780787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[strawman. I think you're full of shit. Straw man is when you pick a silly example of your opponents position and argue with that. Like picking no vaccine, men on dinosaur, religious people to argue against religion.]] // on a post that was merely a story about an ultra-NIH programmer and didn't mention him < 1248780789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensitive sensitive < 1248780803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Most other "64-bit" operating systems still have 4Gig address maps, I'm pretty sure.]] // no point even bothering to show the rest of the comment < 1248780809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside of black laptop compared to white: fingerprints on outside clearly visible as areas of deeper black < 1248780831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be visible on one of those white macbooks < 1248780837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the last ones < 1248780839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Try Losethos, http://www.losethos.com for master/slave multicore with no abstraction -- direct control for dividing tasks and specifying which cores to run them on. See http://www.losethos.com/flightsim.html for a video of an 8 core flight simulator video with code.]] // master/slave without abstraction? dude! do you hate lincoln or something? < 1248780846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are metal again right? < 1248780848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but dust shows up very easily on white < 1248780862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the plain MacBook is white/black plastic < 1248780866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true. easier to brush off < 1248780875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MacBook Pro (Pro now means the design… :\) now has a 13" model < 1248780880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual MacBook is really just entry level < 1248780881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't there some "whole body" thingy recently... < 1248780891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the pros are unibody (not separate case components, all one thing) aluminium < 1248780894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a glass screen cover < 1248780894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitard? < 1248780898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unibody! < 1248780915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that makes changing battery a pain < 1248780922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice marketing concept < 1248780930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's fine; the battery isn't replaceable by the user anyway. < 1248780937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about ram < 1248780939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do have an apple store near you right? < 1248780942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you install extra ram < 1248780949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uhh, I think so, yes… < 1248780957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was sarcastic right? < 1248780961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248780962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about apple store close < 1248780966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248780982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: note that the new macbook pro batteries are rated for a long time < 1248780990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, answer: No. About 4 hours away by train assuming trains are on time (they aren't usually) < 1248780991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1248780997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I didn't mean you personally < 1248781008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by car? Add a few hours < 1248781026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the top-end model (with a 17" 1920x1200 screen, so you know this thing's beefy)'s battery can last up to 8 hours < 1248781029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly more like 6 < 1248781035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when's the battery life < 1248781037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248781047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall hearing it lasts a long time, anyway < 1248781057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248781059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's? < 1248781062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is? < 1248781065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where's < 1248781069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248781075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense in the context < 1248781106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/macbook-unibody-faq/macbook-macbook-pro-unibody-how-to-upgrade-ram.html < 1248781108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hours? < 1248781109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have two memory slots that you access by removing the access door, battery, and bottom case. Your MacBook [or MacBook Pro] comes with at least 2 GB (1 GB in each slot) of 1066 MHz Double Date Rate (DDR3) Synchronous Dynamic Random-Access Memory (SDRAM) installed. < 1248781114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1248781119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fan sure is quiet on this thing though. Compared to the fan on mom's macbook. when it spins up you can definitely hear it < 1248781124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with like a 2.8ghz core 2 processor and 4gb of ram < 1248781136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sweet battery life < 1248781149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many cycles is it rated for < 1248781154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, 17" stock model is 2.8ghz core 2 duo, 4gb ddr3 ram, 500gb hd < 1248781164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the battery I mean < 1248781168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let's see < 1248781172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lifespan of a battery is measured in recharges. One recharge is a complete charge and discharge of a battery’s energy. A recharge doesn’t necessarily occur every time you plug in your notebook; many partial charges can add up to a single full recharge. The typical battery delivers about 200 to 300 recharges before its capacity declines to approximately 80 percent. At that point the battery still works, but its performance is diminished. Thanks to th < 1248781176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/battery/ < 1248781192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that to t? < 1248781193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e breakthroughs of advanced chemistry and Adaptive Charging, the battery in the 13-, 15-, and 17-inch MacBook Pro can go through up to 1000 recharges before it reaches 80 percent of its original capacity — nearly three times the lifespan of typical notebook batteries.2 < 1248781200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks* < 1248781202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: great < 1248781212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also made em flat and stacked and packed them < 1248781215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248781216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using circular ones < 1248781218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... "no duh" < 1248781231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hours would almost make it useful for things other than taking it in the crapper or just moving it around with the power cable temporarily off < 1248781232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, circular? Does any laptop have circular ones? < 1248781236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes: < 1248781238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/overlays/images/size20090106.jpg < 1248781241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1248781243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from these ones < 1248781261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just get one of those targa netbooks < 1248781262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well they look quite square. but I guess the cells inside may be circular < 1248781267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i mean is 6 hours isn't a complete joke. < 1248781268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with the screen off they manage ~28 days of battery life iirc < 1248781273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: duh, that's the whole point < 1248781274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a crappy battery :P < 1248781276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh Li-polymer < 1248781279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248781284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with it on, prolly like >24hrs < 1248781291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1248781295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that i could live with < 1248781304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: of course the caveat is that… it's not exactly powerful < 1248781308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's an 800mhz arm < 1248781312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for comparison < 1248781316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the iphone 3g s is a 600mhz arm < 1248781326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a laptop that's… faster than a smartphone! < 1248781329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800mhz is about 800 times more than i need < 1248781346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the iphone 3g s is a 600mhz arm <-- insane for a phone < 1248781352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a fan too? < 1248781355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248781355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's good because it's not a phone < 1248781358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, ARM runs really cool < 1248781360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a heatsink < 1248781361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do with my calculator if it had a nicer keyboard and a better programming environment < 1248781371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, only f00lz buy the iphone because it's a phone < 1248781374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are they so cool compared to intel or such < 1248781377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it compiled its basic < 1248781386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because x86 is fucking terrible, and ARM is an embedded RISC < 1248781407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "insane for a phone" if you define insanity from what other people do; they're already using the 1 GHz Snapdragon in phones, I think. Or at least it's going to be used in phone models that are already announced, anyway. < 1248781408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I guess the instruction set affects it a lot < 1248781409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the phone contract is just a vehicle because sometimes phonecalls and texts are kinda nice to have and because it gets you wireless internet < 1248781414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to get it distributed < 1248781419 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248781424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartphones are for the smart part < 1248781438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so why aren't there laptops with high performance arm cpus < 1248781441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda nice to be able to do shit without, you know, taking off your bag, opening it < 1248781444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a laptop out < 1248781447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting it all back < 1248781455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Windows doesn't run on ARM. < 1248781468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, windows mobile? < 1248781472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm fairly sure ARM isn't quite as awesome at the higher speeds and the like. < 1248781476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1248781477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: …is a mobile operating system. < 1248781488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, *moves the laptop* < 1248781490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ARM-based tablet PCs, though. That's almost a laptop, but not quite. < 1248781497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1248781517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Firefox take a long time to load < 1248781522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess which OS I'm on today! < 1248781535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, windows? < 1248781535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the didn't upgrade to firefox 3.5.1 because you're a fucking dumbass OS? < 1248781540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248781550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_TG01 ;; this phone looks like a terrible waste of a 1ghz cpu < 1248781551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did upgrade to 3.5.1 < 1248781554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess there were at least plans for "netbook"-form-factor ARM laptops. < 1248781558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still takes a long time < 1248781563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then your computer is just really slow. < 1248781573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah they exist i'm sure < 1248781576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that targa thign ofc < 1248781577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1248781578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said < 1248781592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, this is still my favourite thing ever: < 1248781596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8kgvj/losethos_64bit_operating_system_v506_released_not/c09kmnw < 1248781596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox takes long to load, a page does, or a firefox installer you're dl'ing? < 1248781598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens Chrome in the meantime < 1248781598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin is part of linux < 1248781601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's konquer not konqueror < 1248781605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those have something to do with nazism < 1248781614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who think evolution is true want to kill of dumb people < 1248781617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1248781617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In June 2009 Qualcomm showed off an ASUS Eee PC‎ using the Snapdragon processor and running Google's Android. [5] At the same event, ASUS also showed a Snapdragon-based device, then withdrew it abruptly. Rumors attribute the withdrawal to pressure exerted by Microsoft. [6] [7]" Heh. < 1248781619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…he is an evolutionist < 1248781622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist operating systems! < 1248781631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there isn't more than a few words that aren't hilarious. < 1248781639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: firefox takes long to load, I gathered < 1248781661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just making sure, because while that's what it means, that's the one i can't imagine happening. < 1248781670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he has a pentium iii or something < 1248781677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1248781678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, anyone want to donate an Itanium to me < 1248781679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...He's saying that Linux is an atheist OS to promote his own OS? < 1248781682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love crazy processors! < 1248781685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, he's just rambling < 1248781687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's fucking insane. < 1248781706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LoseThos has a bible theme. It has a special kernel task called "Adam", father of all tasks" < 1248781714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a guy who picks random words from a corpus and posts them to reddit along with attached "questions" to god < 1248781717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calls it "godspeak" < 1248781736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a word for these people and it's called schizophrenia. or something else. < 1248781739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mental illness anyway. < 1248781744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(↑ not the punchiest sentence ever) < 1248781746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : darwin is part of linux <-- ? < 1248781754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you mean OS X < 1248781754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8kgvj/losethos_64bit_operating_system_v506_released_not/c09kmnw < 1248781761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz2b comprehending context < 1248781761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the name mean like loseth OS, as in 1st, 2nd, 3rd... loseth < 1248781772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1248781773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right < 1248781779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there are so many oses it's stupid to make another one < 1248781787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i interpreted it < 1248781789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.losethos.com/images/Header.JPG < 1248781795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he capitalises it LoseThos < 1248781815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it mentally as "LosseyThos" < 1248781816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something to do with lesotho, but not sure what that could be < 1248781823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "Lose Thos" makes no fucking sense < 1248781827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my brain corrects it for me < 1248781828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers mixing all the nutjobs < 1248781834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't that be fun? < 1248781848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TimeLoseCube? < 1248781858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's been done. i think by a guy called abdul something. abdul alhazred. < 1248781859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is only TWO < 1248781863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mad arab, they called him < 1248781865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be insane, but that image is kind of cool < 1248781874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: …that image is cool? < 1248781877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well gee he can type a few letters < 1248781879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Lovecraft... < 1248781881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1248781882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extend the tendrils of some < 1248781884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah hah < 1248781886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a freakin' genious < 1248781888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248781889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius < 1248781895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was awesome < 1248781902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs :P < 1248781923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248781933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna buy one of the bacon-fragranced reddit alien soaps < 1248781938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope they taste like bacon too! < 1248781946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Yes, our soaps are Vegan.]] < 1248781947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1248781952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not real bacon fragrance :( < 1248781975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a no brainer that the main thing keeping people from using LoseThos is the graphics < 1248781981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^quoted < 1248782011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: listen to the demo video on the main page < 1248782014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sounds crazed < 1248782024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.losethos.com/memory.html don't use it for anything requiring security. I guess it sounds fun, but not as a main OS < 1248782080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wonder why desktops are so much louder than laptops... It should be possible to make them about the same noise level. Sure they are generally faster. But they are not as cramped inside either, so easier to allow air to move. < 1248782107 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I can delete the Bible < 1248782107 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cut the install size, too" < 1248782113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a built-in Bible? < 1248782135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that referring to something else? (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DEAR GOD) < 1248782143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, losethos sounds great < 1248782216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I capitalized the libraries. They're not standard" < 1248782219 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1248782228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sounding interesting until right about then < 1248782252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1248782273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitalized the libraries? < 1248782297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, watch the video < 1248782302 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PrintF() < 1248782330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe at some point < 1248782363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it has a built in bible yeah < 1248782366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hymns too < 1248782374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway it's not interesting < 1248782377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't want to buffer the screen < 1248782382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just 640x480x4 < 1248782388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only works on 64 bit! < 1248782390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are good at fonts. Name a good serif font. That is available for TeX < 1248782392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says he has 12GB of RAM! < 1248782400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for screen or print < 1248782412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one for each < 1248782417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know next-to-nothing about graphics programming < 1248782424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not computer modern :-P < 1248782436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think things like that are understandable.. although maybe asking for advice would have been helpful for him < 1248782437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a bit awkward on screen in pdfs at least < 1248782440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: basically, he could have added about 30 lines and supported 1920x1200x32 < 1248782442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitmapped right? < 1248782443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248782444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT < 1248782452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: metafont is very not bitmapped < 1248782453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rendered to pre-pared bitmapped ones < 1248782456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1248782471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you're using xetex then? < 1248782488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that or pdftex. Depends on which is easiest < 1248782495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdftex… uses metafont. < 1248782498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248782500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1248782505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just 'sudo apt-get install texlive' and you have xetex < 1248782508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'It's pretty dumb to have characters signed, so I made them unsigned" If you're going to be changing the language like this, can you add automatic buffer overflow checking? kthx < 1248782509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm probably going for xetex though < 1248782515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's installe < 1248782517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed* < 1248782518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248782521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well < 1248782522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but question is about lyx < 1248782529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah both seems easy in lyx < 1248782536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you have the requirement of it being free-as-in-richard-m-stallman? < 1248782568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would be *preferred* but I'm willing to go for a bit more closed if I have to < 1248782586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if that is your actual restriction, you get to choose between bistream/deja or liberation. < 1248782587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I made another syntax change" Please, for the love of all that is C(?:\+\+)?, stop < 1248782589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((they both suck)) < 1248782600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for legally-free-as-in-beer, I may have something < 1248782601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1248782604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems helvetica is available for tex already < 1248782609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least lyx claims it is installe < 1248782612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed* < 1248782615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably bitmap < 1248782617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worthless < 1248782618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is sans-serif of course < 1248782633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11 ships with bitmap helvetica < 1248782653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure how to install a font for use with xetex though. I used pdftex before and I always used distro package manger to handle tex < 1248782662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duno < 1248782663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1248782668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles then < 1248782668 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything runs in kernel-mode" Ok for a system where security doesn't matter at all, I guess < 1248782693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for free-as-in-beer your options are still very limited as the free font landscape essentially consists of all the stupid novelty fonts on crappy sites with a bunch of popups < 1248782694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248782702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exljbris appears to have released a font this year designed for text! < 1248782703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/calluna.html < 1248782706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his fonts are truly graet < 1248782706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Everything runs in kernel-mode" Ok for a system where security doesn't matter at all, I guess <-- google: Inferno OS < 1248782708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*great < 1248782715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it mentions plan9 you hit the right place < 1248782723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ugh, sorry < 1248782726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calluna comes in 8 fonts: Light, Regular, Regular+Italic, Semibold+Italic,Bold+Italic and Black. < 1248782726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular is absolutely free. < 1248782726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download Calluna at MyFonts.com < 1248782740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: total is $119 :( < 1248782746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248782749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calluna sucks < 1248782753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about OS X ones then < 1248782763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume you have some and are willing to share < 1248782774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i was assuming this was under the proviso of legal? < 1248782783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248782784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles define: < 1248782785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be legal for you < 1248782788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:proviso * < 1248782793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden's wacky liberal copyright laws and all < 1248782847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sadly that is a myth. They are rather strict. Most don't care. Same as everywhere except we got a political party against them too < 1248782865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that died out with the pirate bay trial < 1248782887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check font book < 1248783052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, find some good serifs and sans serifs, both for printing and for screen < 1248783052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248783056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sheesh < 1248783072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I believe in your ability in this area! < 1248783104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise I'm quite an amateur and have, in fact, never placed any text to an inked page :D < 1248783116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean i've printed stuff < 1248783118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I don't know anyone that is more pro < 1248783118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was Before < 1248783124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's not comparable to printing a book < 1248783147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the non-FOSS serif text fonts I have are: Baskerville, Big Caslon, Cochin, Didot, …I'd say Georgia but don't go there…, Hoefler Text (<3 this one), I'll omit the asian ones…, Times (I will kill you in your sleep), Times New Roman (moreso), Zapfino (lawl) and Apple Chancery (also lawl) < 1248783164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try wp < 1248783168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with Georgia? < 1248783168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoefler text is very nice < 1248783174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's like verdana < 1248783176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web-quality < 1248783179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1248783191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would look bad on paper even if it doesn't on screen anyway < 1248783202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It can not properly be edited with < 1248783202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other editors, even, because there are graphics and links in source code. " < 1248783213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm all for non-textual source code, mind < 1248783215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bleh < 1248783218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh "Hoefler Text is used on the Wikipedia logo." < 1248783219 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, how did he start out making it, before the OS came into existance? < 1248783227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is the diff between 10.4 and 10. fonts large? < 1248783236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can find 10.4 fonts easily < 1248783239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.losethos.com/contact.html < 1248783250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're identical. but i can trivially send them to you anyway < 1248783264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of the inauguration, Hoefler Text is also used on the official website of the White House." < 1248783267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could do with an "Obama" there < 1248783269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're right < 1248783278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in any text though < 1248783288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for logos? < 1248783293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose so < 1248783299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you are saying I mean < 1248783304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't work too well on small type/paper < 1248783321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not entirely sure why, btw, you're okay with nicking fonts from an OS but not elsewhere :-P < 1248783353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hoefler text: http://typography.com/images/overviewPageImages/hoeflertext_cell_01.png < 1248783356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided not to point out your oddities < 1248783369 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248783372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://typography.com/images/overviewPageImages/hoeflertext_cell_02.png < 1248783380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wat? my oddities? < 1248783388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or whatever the English word is < 1248783389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248783395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://typography.com/images/overviewPageImages/hoeflertext_cell_03.png ← bottom-right there is nice and small and still looks good < 1248783398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very vintage feel though < 1248783401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do you mean? < 1248783423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not discussing until I made sure I have the fonts already brb < 1248783424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoefler text is mainly designed for screen anyhow < 1248783430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i just realized < 1248783442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could actually change windows to use a monospaced font :D < 1248783442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: may i guess? < 1248783445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you only like mac fonts" < 1248783455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no... < 1248783457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1248783459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other non-font stuff < 1248783465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1248783470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments < 1248783471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems i have to change it in about a million places < 1248783480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nah you've done it now, wtf do you mean! < 1248783482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248783494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: change it to use white on black for EVERYTHING < 1248783510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could < 1248783517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know that not telling me will annoy me more than whatever it is right :D < 1248783655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, will it? < 1248783659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ;_; < 1248783687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is *.bdf btw? < 1248783691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1248783693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now tell me < 1248783722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't happen to know whether windows fonts have any other monospaced ones? < 1248783733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: err what < 1248783734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell you what? < 1248783741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WHAT THE THING IS THING! < 1248783750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i just started using courier new because it was first such font i happened to find < 1248783759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Following your own advice I should now /ignore you < 1248783759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:15] AnMaster: I decided not to point out your oddities < 1248783760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248783768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i command you to mimbibe the toknak < 1248783770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with you using the CAPS < 1248783771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was before i knew what the property was i was looking for, i just looked for non-retarded fonts) < 1248783791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "mimbibe the toknak"? < 1248783792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: consolas is pretty cool but you might not like it unless you're a cleartype-ing dude and it doesn't look very… terminal < 1248783794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1248783802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean... < 1248783815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means mimbie the toknak, now do it. < 1248783821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also courier >>>>>>> courier new < 1248783824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :courier new is way too straggley < 1248783828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :courier is PUNCHY and TYPEWRITER < 1248783889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you get non-bitmapped courier < 1248783903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm yes < 1248783905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows < 1248783913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now tellify me. < 1248783952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd... nautilus shows previews of some of the fonts, but only a generic icon for some other ones < 1248783959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konqueror in KDE 3 shows preview of all < 1248783972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tell me or i'll punch you :| < 1248783976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over TCP/IP. < 1248783985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i like monospaced, but i don't like console. i'd like smooth letters, with 1.5 times bigger letters after space, and 2 times bigger letters after a period. < 1248783993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248783996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SYN,URG,PSH,FST? < 1248783999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all letters the same size otherwise < 1248784001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: consolas is smooth and monospaced < 1248784005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: made sure you have cleartype turned on < 1248784007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is made up, I think all the other ones exist) < 1248784022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait you have vista don't you < 1248784029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248784032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, exactly < 1248784044 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248784044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cleartype's default in vista i think but < 1248784055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: control panel → appearance < 1248784062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ effects → make sure the smooth thing is cleartype < 1248784062 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248784063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, make it < 1248784064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in consolas, at least on the first attempt, the letters don't look very uniform in thickness. < 1248784065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I found where to install fonts in gnome: yes < 1248784071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"attempt" < 1248784071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably no cleartype < 1248784072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it anyway < 1248784072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248784077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you drag it to the fonts folder. < 1248784085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is that though < 1248784088 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, without cleartype, Consolas is disgusting < 1248784092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno, I just use fonts:// < 1248784107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the place you enter path in nautilus < 1248784109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fonts:/// < 1248784110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: menu < 1248784112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be missing an adress bar < 1248784125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a feature :P < 1248784137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyhow if you have cleartype on consolas should pretty much fit the bill < 1248784138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it says fonts:/// is invalid < 1248784139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you crazy man < 1248784142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm < 1248784146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how are you doing it anyway < 1248784156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in KDE you mean? < 1248784158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248784158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font installation in gnome could be better tbh < 1248784160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah < 1248784164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I open kcontrol < 1248784168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go to "install fonts" < 1248784176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then drag the fonts there < 1248784183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here's what consolas should look like: < 1248784209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: okay i switched to high contrast black, damn this is hardcore :D < 1248784211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/Insearchoftheperfectmonospacedprogrammer_148A9/consolas%5B4%5D.png or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Consolas-cleartype.png or http://blog.hamstu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/typoofcode_consolas.png < 1248784221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the form...ost one being the best looking < 1248784231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing that consolasa is very… unconsole < 1248784238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that has some non-black stuff iirc! < 1248784242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure it's all either #000 or #FFF! < 1248784245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, tons :| < 1248784246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usability be damned! < 1248784260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i haven't switched the fonts yet < 1248784263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that < 1248784267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyhow does that consolas look good? < 1248784283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does and it doesn't look like that on your machine, you gotsa turn cleartype on < 1248784290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it does, very much so < 1248784324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your machine or? < 1248784327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence is the vague < 1248784347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry in your link (first one). < 1248784354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248784369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:27] ehird: oklopol: control panel → appearance < 1248784369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:27] ehird: → effects → make sure the smooth thing is cleartype < 1248784377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it looks rather less gooderific in windows < 1248784427 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248784443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleartype isn't where you said it'd be < 1248784451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not there :| < 1248784464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well < 1248784467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right there's a search feature... < 1248784470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a mo :P < 1248784471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248784476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you don't want "tune cleartype" < 1248784478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything < 1248784479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the topic set as it is to annoy augur? < 1248784480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just actually turning it on < 1248784485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? < 1248784495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it is one < 1248784495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1248784500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he removed the last one because of all the special characters < 1248784501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: was it on or is it just on now? < 1248784506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, because it was right-to-left < 1248784506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Manually < 1248784507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248784509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1248784510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah < 1248784533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on.. < 1248784536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-. < 1248784563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also it was exactly where you said it would be. < 1248784566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248784573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least almost exactly < 1248784575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i eagerly look forward to this #000 and #FFF and Consolas only nightmare < 1248784823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1248784829 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-136.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248784876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really i'd like to redesign the whole gui < 1248784894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to consist of mostly antialiased lines. < 1248784927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you set all the colours to either #000 or #FFF < 1248784933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with #FFF being strictly foreground and #000 being strictly background < 1248784934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes < 1248784936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be awesome < 1248784943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would tell everyone who sees my computer i'm not just a geek, i'm a fucking nutjob < 1248784954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me you did :( < 1248784973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would change this thing very little < 1248784987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes but you'll be 10% more awesome < 1248784991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have discovered this with science < 1248784991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean most colors are just because there are so many little icons around < 1248784993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm going to do it < 1248784995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my windows 7 vm < 1248784997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well icons are okay < 1248785001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the stuff in the appearance prefs < 1248785007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the title bar is white-background, for instance < 1248785013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also massive icons, they are the default for the theme it seems < 1248785013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway i'm gonna race you with my windows vm < 1248785015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird. < 1248785017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better do it if you want to WIN < 1248785019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248785029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for visual disabled acuity peeps < 1248785032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like blindtarded < 1248785045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i knew that < 1248785051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by weird i didn't mean it's actually weird < 1248785059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i'm gonna call people with uncontrollable disabilities thing-tarded from now < 1248785062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you're cancertarded" < 1248785070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like expressing an opinion, not that i know what that opinion was. < 1248785070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from now on < 1248785078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that this should be the default for people who aren't idiots. < 1248785080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: using a black and white theme? < 1248785082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh yeah? well what about you? you used to be braintumortarded" < 1248785086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1248785091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #FFF on #000 with the only font being the monospaced Consolsa < 1248785094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Consolas < 1248785104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not totally #000 background #FFF foreground, thus why i'm racing him with my vm < 1248785106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to make him do it) < 1248785114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should buy a 1-bit display < 1248785121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think it's a good idea < 1248785132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kinda bad for usability :D < 1248785135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like the kinda stuff they use in calculators < 1248785140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awesome < 1248785141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calcuputer < 1248785155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: grey on black is pretty easy on the eyes < 1248785158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of not being very bright < 1248785164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not the point < 1248785170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where the fuck can i find some kinda folder options to change the folder icons..? < 1248785172 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1248785172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#FFF on #000 for _everything_ removes visual hints < 1248785179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it slower to use < 1248785183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and monospaced fonts are slower to read than proportional < 1248785186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oklopol isn't human < 1248785186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248785188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: more peaceful, though < 1248785195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OK it obviously isn't the fastest theme to use < 1248785205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nicer, in a way < 1248785206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is possible to have a theme with visual hints without having it use primary colours < 1248785210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see for example plan 9 < 1248785212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, I'm much faster with a keyboard than with a mouse < 1248785222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1248785224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop saying that < 1248785227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes I like to use a computer just with a mouse, so I don't have to get in reach of the keyboard < 1248785231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain says you're faster, subjectively < 1248785232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stopwatch doesn't < 1248785234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a fast interface, use a console :| < 1248785242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only care about pretty look. < 1248785243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i won't link to the studies yet again, i'm busy retheming windows < 1248785245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: having to find and attach a mouse is generally slower than just typing < 1248785247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rethemeing < 1248785252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: strawman < 1248785257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not for me < 1248785263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure those studies assume a usable mouse < 1248785265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mice are bad because I have to find one and attach one" < 1248785267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely wrong < 1248785268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean is < 1248785275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mice that i have to find and attach are bad because i have to find one and attach one" < 1248785278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is "for /me/, a keyboard is faster than a mouse" < 1248785281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\bi\b/I/g < 1248785284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for YOU, on THAT COMPUTER < 1248785287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248785288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1248785290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very important distinction < 1248785291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the point I'm getting at < 1248785308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it essentially amounts to "why doesn't your thing work well on my broken computer" < 1248785310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same problem you make with AnMaster, you keep giving him advice that's correct in general but incorrect with respect to him < 1248785316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you replace your computer if half the keys didn't work? < 1248785318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1248785324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 2 of the keys don't < 1248785331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you're just crazy then\ < 1248785333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1248785336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're stop and skip to next track < 1248785342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of which is particularly vital < 1248785345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general a keyboard is faster than a mouse. For most stuff. < 1248785353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me too < 1248785359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please don't make me stab you < 1248785366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reprogrammed the skip to previous track button to skip to the next track, in order to have the feature available < 1248785378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE HUMAN MIND THINKS THE KEYBOARD IS SUBJECTIVELY FASTER! IT IS AN _ILLUSION_! for pointing purposes, the mouse is _faster_ < 1248785383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a _lot_ of things are faster as pointing tasks < 1248785391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ooh, another point; I'm pretty sure a mouse can only be faster than a keyboard if you're looking at the screen < 1248785401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "most stuff". I didn't say using gimp would be faster without a mouse < 1248785402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I? < 1248785410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, you're funny, can't touch type? < 1248785417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can touch type < 1248785419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's greatly underestimating how much is better with a mouse < 1248785419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't touch click < 1248785425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the acme editor is almost entirely mouse based < 1248785436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is a good point < 1248785447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: touch typing is used for typing while looking at the screen, mostly < 1248785449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like what? not saying you're not correct, just interested in what you had in mind. < 1248785452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, nobody makes decisions when loking away < 1248785458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't close buffer or save file while looking at someone < 1248785458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1248785460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your attention is reduced < 1248785462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's faster with pointing < 1248785466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about typing in a name from a paper? < 1248785467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, this is why KDE and the Mac have actions when putting the mouse at corners/edges < 1248785470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1248785473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely because you can move the mouse there without looking < 1248785475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: most things but typing < 1248785481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gee, typing is faster with a keyboard? < 1248785481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1248785491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, this is accounted for in most of the theories < 1248785493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fitt's law < 1248785495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what about playing NetHack? < 1248785495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .. I meant: isn't that touch typing < 1248785498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have something that hits the boundary, < 1248785502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's infinitely high/wide < 1248785506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out where the boundary is atm < 1248785507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's infinitely easy to point at < 1248785516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc *you* told me that it wasn't touch typing if you looked at the screen a few weeks ago... < 1248785518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nethack is a pretty bad ui in general, but for its UI keyboard is prolly better < 1248785525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's mainly fun because of the bad ui < 1248785526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME < 1248785532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you have to look at the screen < 1248785533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, all known mouse-based UIs for NetHack are insanely awful, but I think that's an accident of history rather than anything universal < 1248785534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i mostly just point at folders or files to open them, that's a lot faster with a console < 1248785538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just type while your concentration is distracted < 1248785545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't remove a directory while looking at something else < 1248785548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're thinking less about it < 1248785557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm not interested in this argument < 1248785559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well.. lets say I'm typing something in from a paper. Thus looking at the paper instead < 1248785559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248785563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a track listing on a cd? < 1248785575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for web surfing, but that's a fundamentally broken system anyway :P < 1248785577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had it many times, no matter how much i argue or point people at studies they never change their mind, so, rather pointless < 1248785581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think you understand me < 1248785583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS TYPING WORDS < 1248785587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not taking actions < 1248785601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand i'm done < 1248785604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not talking about this any more < 1248785637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm talking about: " ais523: touch typing is used for typing while looking at the screen, mostly" <-- you claimed that not needing to look at screen OR keyboard was touch typing a few weeks ago < 1248785642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you just tell me a specific task that's faster with a pointer that's not web surfing? < 1248785643 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-172-4-149.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248785647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone, really < 1248785652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjfskdfksjdfksdf < 1248785653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, image editing < 1248785655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just interested to know what "most" means < 1248785656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when I said we're done? < 1248785657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some people spend a lot more time typing words /than/ taking actions < 1248785659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not about pointing < 1248785664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means _i am not talking about it any more_ < 1248785665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1248785666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL! < 1248785666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember what I said about your oddities < 1248785669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about intercal < 1248785670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was one < 1248785672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... much the same way that some vi users spend all their time in insert mode < 1248785676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh? < 1248785686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: being tired of talking about bullshit that we've talked about so many times, rehashing the same thing and never getting anywhere? < 1248785687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you point in the image to where you want to edit it? < 1248785693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i must be fucking insane not to want to do that! < 1248785713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah. Not exactly that one < 1248785715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather: < 1248785725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not pointing in the sense that clicking on folders is about pointing; clearly anything where you need to draw any kind of lines or regions is better with something that can do that < 1248785729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I don't care right? < 1248785740 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SliceHost sure do delete accounts quickly :( < 1248785748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: wat? < 1248785749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"being irritated when you are "loosing" a discussion and refusing to continue discussion, claiming you don't care" < 1248785752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1248785761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pointing, telling the computer which object you want to look at, is faster with a keyboard, when it comes to browsing folders < 1248785765 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping the DNS servers might serve things for a little more than 3 seconds after I closed the account, oh well < 1248785773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just interested in where it's not < 1248785777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wow if you set 3d objects to black < 1248785779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knowing < 1248785781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fill(23,54,95,23); :P < 1248785787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the minimize/maximize/close buttons' text becomes black < 1248785792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to know where they are < 1248785793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1248785795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that is x,y,w,h < 1248785799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah that doesn't work at all < 1248785822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well... it works. Just extremely irritating interface < 1248785822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:55] AnMaster: "being irritated when you are "loosing" a discussion and refusing to continue discussion, claiming you don't care" < 1248785822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:55] AnMaster: that one < 1248785823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then may i point out your oddity, namely not listening to my past fucking 10 or so lines while trying to insult me? < 1248785827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like browsing folders by memorizing where you need to click and saying "i wanna open folder that's rendered at location (x,y)" < 1248785833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i am-not-discussing-it-more < 1248785867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is supporting my theory :) thanks < 1248785868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1248785883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a stupid, stupid person. < 1248785946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm not saying you are ever wrong, but you definitely suck at having arguments, kinda like arguing with god, he's just right, shut up already. < 1248785952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad idea to reply to people 2 years after they comment? < 1248785959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't rague with idiots, as a general rule < 1248785988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1248786020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*argue < 1248786022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol rague < 1248786042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i don't think you only do that with idiots. < 1248786049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true true < 1248786051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people are idiots though. < 1248786063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248786063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say < 1248786064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone < 1248786086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only when people know less than you about the matter, and aren't being perfectly rational, but idiocy is not required. < 1248786101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i define idiocy tho :P < 1248786117 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248786117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize you do it yourself, a lot, too? < 1248786121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248786124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cuz i'm an idiot < 1248786142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, i guess this is settled :P < 1248786152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wondering what tasks you meant in particular though :P < 1248786158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i can keep wondering < 1248786162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, doing your mom < 1248786165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta thing < 1248786204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires both poking with the mouse and pressing buttons < 1248786220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanna do it well < 1248786222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*her < 1248786253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1248786256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by changing my windows theme < 1248786261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all webpages now have a black background < 1248786267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you do realize you do it yourself, a lot, too? <-- damn synchronicity < 1248786276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248786289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude, _all_ _web_ _pages_ < 1248786293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even those that specify their own background < 1248786297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1248786300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all white on black < 1248786303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you resist man < 1248786305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be looking forward to that < 1248786311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _just_ grumbling over what a stubborn prick my dad is, because of an email he sent :/ < 1248786324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brick, i swear i meant to write < 1248786336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1248786344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: link to what < 1248786348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email < 1248786349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1248786350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1248786353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248786370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i wasn't actually expecting you'd link it. < 1248786392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be _that_ big a prick < 1248786397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was your point that you're a stubborn cock too? < 1248786403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*block < 1248786410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably :/ < 1248786432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not your most salient feature on irc, if it's any consolation < 1248786450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask what is ;P) < 1248786464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :) *er, what* < 1248786486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would imagine that would be inane puns < 1248786491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: as soon as i fix this pesky "a bunch of the text is black on black" problem i shall release this theme < 1248786493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sexual purposes ofc < 1248786529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also there's no actual hover colour so you have to be sure you're pressing the right thing within yourself < 1248786534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's pretty cool < 1248786539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, no distinction between active and inactive window < 1248786549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well sure, but to someone who's actually been listening to you for a long time, not so much. < 1248786602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: okay all that sounds good < 1248786669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts getting worried now < 1248786753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm even gonna use a white on black firefox theme < 1248786756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and force all fonts to be consolas < 1248787044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: * { background-color: #000 !important; color: #FFF !important; } < 1248787047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no compromise. < 1248787055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248787059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have just found out that highlighted text isn't… highlighted < 1248787059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248787162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1248787362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as i fix this pesky text problem it shall be done < 1248787660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha progress bars never fill in < 1248787870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248787871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248787887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you don't really need to read button text do you? < 1248787893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait < 1248787893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248787894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it < 1248787894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1248787898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i do, tbh < 1248787945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just to get a ff theme < 1248787951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1248788292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very silly how black and monospaced this thing is < 1248788303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like 1,000 non-white, non-black pixels on the screen < 1248788306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total < 1248788495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1248789203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and now, for your viewing pleasure: < 1248789226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I present < 1248789230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…wait a sec < 1248789317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and now, for your viewing pleasure, I present my work "windows in black, white and consolas": < 1248789319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/JDuSP.png < 1248789325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1248789434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oklopol then spent ten minutes attempting to click on the buttons and links of the screenshot.) < 1248789526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well i tried scrolling :P < 1248789536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fuck you for saying that. < 1248789540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sry :( < 1248789544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey it is awesome right < 1248789605 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen people who use windows almost like that (without consolas, that is) < 1248789621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol specifically specified (← lawl) monospaced! < 1248789622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok kde4 is very dumbed down < 1248789629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed kmines from kde4 to test it < 1248789637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah you can hardly configure the mines to hook in with the terminal emulator < 1248789639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even set up the click mapping < 1248789643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't have a built in text editor any more < 1248789649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid kde4 mines. < 1248789671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want middle = free one, left = free around if possible (which is usually middle), left = mark mine < 1248789682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice? < 1248789682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't configure that in either kde4 kmines or the gnome mines app < 1248789687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde3 one I could in < 1248789693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is much faster to click that way < 1248789705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"left = free around if possible (which is usually middle), left = mark mine" < 1248789709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you want it to be telepathic too huh < 1248789713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1248789716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant right < 1248789720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second one < 1248789722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1248789726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuuuure < 1248789730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248789736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway did i do that all for nothing or do you want me to give it < 1248789841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well umm sure gimme :P < 1248789862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: i can't stand non-monospaced fonts < 1248789867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but you'll be all "oh i have to work to configure it laaaaaaame" :P < 1248789899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume i'd just have to put it in like a themes folder and choose it from the list < 1248789910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, no < 1248789916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires a bit of clicky click. < 1248789921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248789925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there appears to be a theme file thing < 1248789930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd still have to clicky click but lesso < 1248789947 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Then you probably hate/pity me for having coded in Comic Sans MS :) < 1248789954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: ABDUHWHDJFKLjdkgwhat < 1248789972 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green-on-red, too. < 1248790040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: …why?! < 1248790144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: i might do that with something like wingdings as a brain adaption exercise, but with comic sans, i'm pretty indifferent to it. and i don't really see the difference bitween comic sans and all the other ugly non-monospaced fonts, easy to read, but broken by not being monospaced. < 1248790153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*between < 1248790156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1248790170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay, i figureds it out < 1248790174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme compile an instruction list thing < 1248790467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here goeses: < 1248790511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://pastie.org/561607.txt?key=naofzirdnebs4kp3qv2rwa, the theme file you need is http://filebin.ca/dvvzzj/windowsinblackwhiteandconsolas.themepack < 1248790522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, I missed one more step < 1248790527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the control panel, find the cursors < 1248790533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change it to Windows Black. < 1248790558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be totally super-plus kickass. < 1248790595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…for a definition of kickass equal to "white, black and consolas". < 1248790598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*black, white < 1248790693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Fit that into your database" < 1248790730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you should read the annotation on IWC today. Is it really that bad in UK? < 1248790763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1248790772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public photography is de-facto illegal in the uk. < 1248790781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's CCTV. < 1248790788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the police. < 1248790788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or google :-P) < 1248790817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, also: < 1248790821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We’d all like to help the police to do their job well. They, in turn, would like to have a massive database with DNA profiles from everyone who has been arrested, but not convicted of a crime." < 1248790823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.badscience.net/2009/07/is-this-a-joke/ < 1248790825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: the Guardian < 1248791145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this is for firefox? i'm not currently using it... < 1248791154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well the windows theme isn't for ff < 1248791160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the font/colour stuff is < 1248791162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what are you using instead < 1248791164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched to ie because i can't change the language in ff < 1248791171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248791176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it for IE then < 1248791278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway do the windows theme + cursor while i do it for IE? < 1248791286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't ff-related < 1248791449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Tools -> Internet Options -> Fonts. Consolas on both sides. Accessibility. Ignore colours, font sizes. Format documents using my style sheet - make a file in notepad with the text [[ * { font-family: Consolas !important; font-size: 13px !important; } ]], save it as "(whatever).css" and select it. < 1248791492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248791496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that doesn't actually fix the font size < 1248791499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1248791501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248791508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: don't tick the "ignore font sizes" < 1248791520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also < 1248791526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the file should actually be: [[ < 1248791532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* { font-family: Consolas !important; font-size: 13px !important; } < 1248791539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:link { text-decoration: underline !important; } < 1248791539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1248791567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, doesn't work < 1248791570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: remove the ":link" part < 1248791637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1248791641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay, the file should be < 1248791652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as above < 1248791655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but replace a:link with < 1248791659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:link, a:hover, a:active, a:visited < 1248791688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'll do that < 1248791689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will work < 1248791691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splendidly. < 1248791706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck it didn't work. < 1248791745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: colors, untick use window colours, text = white, background = black, visited and unvisisted = white < 1248791747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1248791747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1248791754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now tell me you'll do it, otherwise i just wasted like half an hour < 1248791784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow since about 13:00 < 1248791789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an hour and a half < 1248791795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248791807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact oklopol if you do the colors menu thing < 1248791811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can omit the a line from the css < 1248791824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248791825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't < 1248791826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1248791829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shall i compile a new guide < 1248791829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for IE < 1248791833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248791836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah that might be better < 1248791958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, there was this iq test, "what's the capital of X? 1) X; 2) Y; 3) Z; 4) all of the above" and i'm like lol worst iq test ever < 1248791965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4) is the correct answer < 1248791986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248791991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*capital of W < 1248792014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wat < 1248792037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know how iq tests usually suck when they're pop ups < 1248792048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh. none will have been "correct" < 1248792052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed all of the above was like a standard fourth question < 1248792052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll all have linked to the same page < 1248792061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://pastie.org/561636.txt?key=jhd5a2mamzfmg2gcvysrcw < 1248792063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not always < 1248792069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compleat guide to "windows in black, white and consolas" < 1248792070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many kinds of things those do < 1248792092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some actually give you a result, not sure any actually is an iq test of any kind < 1248792134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 4 was the correct answer based on wikipedia that is < 1248792141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD wat < 1248792148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south africa < 1248792153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically three capitals < 1248792171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh so it wasn't actually X with answers X Y and Z? < 1248792175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very confused there < 1248792178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembered i'd heard of something like that, so i checked, now i kinda feel like i should find the page and apologize for laughing at it < 1248792181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1248792189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to mark variables < 1248792190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, i'm retarded :D < 1248792212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as retarded as a snow in a flow < 1248792236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do that damn guide i spent ages on the whole thing :P < 1248792478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay all done except for the css, i don't know where to make it use that < 1248792535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the same place as the last click < 1248792535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248792544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to restart IE afterwards < 1248792546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it doesn't stick < 1248792551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i found it shut up :D < 1248792590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't stick? you mean i have to restart it right away, because if i do later, it will have changed back? < 1248792678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, it just won't apply yet < 1248792681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll be in a half-state < 1248792684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the other stuff but not the CSS < 1248792687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be a bit bleh < 1248792708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll restart after this ep < 1248792729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'll probably leave the computer then < 1248792734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i hope i will < 1248792834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you won't < 1248792847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248792870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just waste the whole day and read during the night like usually, because i'm trying to keep this new human sleep cycle < 1248792922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why < 1248792927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be going the other way < 1248792928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uberman's < 1248792976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now < 1248792986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've done that in the beginning of the summer < 1248793017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: be magic < 1248793027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having the day the other way around is just a nuisance < 1248793051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i like the fact i don't see much of the sun, but you know shops and shit. < 1248793058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have stuff to do later this week < 1248793109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but you can do it ≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥magic < 1248793130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what :P < 1248793153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←the doing in the summer →of the other way around← because uberman →→both ways←← bisexual ≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥≥day time→ < 1248793159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic* < 1248793190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was... confusing < 1248793196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have this chili pepper stuff < 1248793205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those bastards is like 1cm in length < 1248793212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've been eating it for two days < 1248793228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gotten about 2 millimeters down, and i've been having diarrhea like every 3 hours < 1248793255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god my tongue hurts < 1248793259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay the explain < 1248793316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←←the thing→ note the notational parentheses, like inverses, the further in the less parenthical ←←in summer→ hard but if you're magic→ (be magic) →then← →uberman day →both ways← not just no sun →no sun and sun←← →you can no sun →and shops←← ←at same →time←!→→ < 1248793365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that makes much more sense < 1248793380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248793385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→since it goes← both ways < 1248793391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←it is→ day bisexual! < 1248793511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey doods I'm on qwantz.com < 1248793514 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I won Internet? < 1248793534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: wow really < 1248793543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some adsense on that bitch < 1248793554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248793562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also link to your lonely trex thing on one of the pages < 1248793609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when there are a few more in the backlog so I know Brian won't just go "well I've decided not to care lawl" < 1248793610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz, y'know, it's not < 1248793619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: brian? < 1248793641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the one actually making them, I just made the site. < 1248793662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "Posted ... by Brian" on the only one that's there so far :P < 1248793670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248793671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=1,4&comics=684,1259 < 1248793687 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"second and fifth crazy times" :P < 1248793698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right up your alley. < 1248793713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ trapdoor functions X-D < 1248793729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: your munger still doesn't have the rearrange features btw < 1248793730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the duplicate < 1248793734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the .php does < 1248793757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1248793962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1248793966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dinosaur comic with actual drawing < 1248793967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-440.png < 1248794025 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does thought bubbles occasionally :P < 1248794153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah but this isn't just around text! < 1248794158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around other parts of the panel too! < 1248794170 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does full-panel thought bubbles occasionally. < 1248794175 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are at least four or five < 1248794191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any moustaches though < 1248794348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the reversed ones there are goatees < 1248794371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Thus "a", not "the" :P < 1248794580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes ehird nomicwise < 1248794601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic and government: The two directions of the seventh dimension. < 1248794617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Government and nomic; a more aesthetically pleasing order. < 1248794626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cheques email. < 1248794717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lame < 1248794729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, in fact, überlame. < 1248794737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: any reason why it's more aesthetically pleasing? < 1248794744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just felt like it? < 1248794748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nomic feels more like forwards/inwards < 1248794754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :government feels more like backwards/outwards < 1248794755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1248794760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the idea itself, or my promotion of it in Agora? < 1248794763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'm imagining Sgeo behind me, poking me nomicwise < 1248794767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248794772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the execution? :P < 1248794794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so just felt like it basically :P < 1248794795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions? < 1248794800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nope < 1248794847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No constructive criticism? < 1248794858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopppppy :) < 1248794861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248795211 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248796637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248797687 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248798461 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248798595 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-086.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248798610 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248798719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248798949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248799127 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248799141 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248800297 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248801372 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-84.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248802381 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-172-4-149.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248802650 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-032-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248803361 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1248804621 0 :Azstal!n=chatzill@host86-155-75-67.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248805305 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248807193 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248807228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248807229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm < 1248807237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up debian on an old powermac! < 1248807244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 14.5" crt screen! < 1248807280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a ONE BUTAN mouse! < 1248807406 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet 8-D < 1248807409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that :P < 1248807434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ah, but I mean old < 1248807437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beige box < 1248807440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old world rom < 1248807448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lame g3/g4 power mac, oh no < 1248807453 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've installed Debian on an m68k, bitch. < 1248807464 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND an old world, AND a new world mac. < 1248807465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've installed debian on your mom's face < 1248807475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this thing can't boot from floppies < 1248807475 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I thought only NetBSD had been ported there. < 1248807480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lenny doesn't have powerpc floppies < 1248807487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm downloading etch powerpc floppies < 1248807493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then upgrading to lenny < 1248807495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to testing < 1248807503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it'll support the ADB kb/mouse < 1248807510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, currently it doesn't want to write this 1.2MB floppy image < 1248807518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it needs that little .2mb extra oomph < 1248807698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: this machine is fun though < 1248807704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 96MB of RAM in like 10 sticks < 1248807713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two 1.19GB HDs < 1248807724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems to have a g3 processor < 1248807726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it wasn't sold with < 1248807730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone's done some upgrading < 1248807737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has a rather loud fan < 1248807798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've installed Debian on that Performa what-was-the-number-again. It wasn't m68k, but it was still tricky; had to boot with that Mach-based MkLinux booter, nothing else worked. < 1248807935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performa 5260, I guess. < 1248807946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, anyone know how to write a non-1.44mb floppy in os 9? < 1248807965 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had to replace the CPU on my LC :P < 1248807985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Install A/UX. Use dd. < 1248807992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let's see < 1248807994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i put this < 1248807995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Performa had a 603e PPC, at least. < 1248807995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1248807996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1248808012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1248808025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Apple Macintosh Performa 5260/120 features a 120 MHz PowerPC 603e processor, 8 MB or 16 MB of RAM, and a 1.2 GB hard drive in an attractive all-in-one case with a 14" color monitor." Well, I guess "attractive" is in the eye of the beholder. < 1248808034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the iphone makes a nice camera < 1248808037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just email the photos to yourself < 1248808053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my setup is far more ghetto < 1248808058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a TV/computer/whatever trolley thing < 1248808061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mac was on sideways < 1248808065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to not fitting the other way around < 1248808066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248808070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tilted the monitor < 1248808074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilted the trolley < 1248808078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's thin and long < 1248808082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the keyboard on a binder next to the monitor < 1248808088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilted up the monitor so it had an ok angle < 1248808095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then got a low table < 1248808099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacked a bunch of books on it < 1248808100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mousepad < 1248808101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally the mouse < 1248808104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them next to each other < 1248808167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uploads pics < 1248808262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pics: http://imgur.com/ZuRX0.jpg, http://imgur.com/6LFmv.jpg and http://imgur.com/kpU2b.jpg < 1248808283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring IE 5! < 1248808370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1248808377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of floppy image writing software for mac os 9 < 1248808874 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 120, pretty nifty < 1248808945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat < 1248808949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248808950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial < 1248808950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248808953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FireFly < 1248808982 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ゅ <-- Looks like a fish < 1248808983 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda < 1248808986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to redownload the image < 1248808988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: "kinda" < 1248808989 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a deadfish? < 1248809010 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Kinda/Kind of/ < 1248809010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys do you think Gnome will run on a 300mhz PowerPC G3 with 96MB of RAM :-D < 1248809011 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better? < 1248809022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I was just emphasising "kinda" :P < 1248809029 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1248809053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, but it's dubious that it's worth it. < 1248809058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah I was joking < 1248809063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go with lwm or something < 1248809070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lwm is quite nice < 1248809081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could do with a task bar < 1248809084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but. < 1248809105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so if I can't get this 1.2mb etch floppy to work < 1248809112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a 1.6mb one too, hope I won't need that) < 1248809115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the one before etch? < 1248809128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I go that → etch → lenny → testing without wanting to kill myself? :D < 1248809172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarge. < 1248809185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarge -> < 1248809192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etch was a nasty jump. < 1248809197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was it? :( < 1248809212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but won't I just be able to replace the apt list and do dist-upgrade a few times? < 1248809228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time between Sarge and Etch was about 6 years. < 1248809236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: …so it won't work very well, then? < 1248809246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The major version of everything was incremented. < 1248809249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING. < 1248809256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, every single package? < 1248809263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except Linux. That just did 2.4 (with 2.2 still supported) to 2.6. < 1248809270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt every single package :P < 1248809271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248809275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so that's not a good route, then? < 1248809285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my old pc, maybe that could write the floppy doppy woppy < 1248809285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1248809315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: otoh, how in the world of fuck am I meant to write a 1.6mb floppy? < 1248809330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=floppy of=/dev/fd0 < 1248809339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1.6mb. < 1248809341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has crazy floppy support. < 1248809342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1248809343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MEDIA is 1.44mb. < 1248809343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248809348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, no, you don't understand. < 1248809351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not meant to be 1.6mb. < 1248809360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was reported as a bug yonks ago, but it must be back. < 1248809363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the media can support up to 1.8 MB. < 1248809365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The i386 one is 1.44MB. < 1248809371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Grrr shut up >_< < 1248809389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has *freaking crazy* floppy support. ;) < 1248809406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. *Sarge* wasn't a bad jump. < 1248809416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Woody that went ages without an update. < 1248809454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarge had updated versions of 73% of the distribution and doubled in the number of supported packages... < 1248809461 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually, the media can upport up to 2.8 < 1248809476 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just most drives don't :P < 1248809478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Hush. < 1248809522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, and Woody originally shipped with Linux *2.2*. < 1248809546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, so sarge → etch → lenny → testing might only take a few hours? < 1248809570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1248809576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1248809582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that, then. I… guess. < 1248809589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now where are dem sarge ppc floppies? < 1248809596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in /debian/dists/, unless it's oldstable. < 1248809604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldoldstable. < 1248809606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grampastable. < 1248809607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no longer supported. < 1248809630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo < 1248809637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to get it from pirate warez debian sites? :D < 1248809724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or… < 1248809752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: will any drive support 1.6mb disks, out of curiosity? < 1248809753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248809757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall drives, support < 1248809826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All drives support it. Just not all OSes. < 1248809841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux does some really funky things with the floppy controller) < 1248809866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which is best? < 1248809873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. write floppies on old pc, hope they work < 1248809874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248809876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. try sarge instead < 1248809889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix of some sort. < 1248809904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old pc = runs linu < 1248809904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1248809920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1248809927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tons of upgrades sounds fun :D < 1248810063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo < 1248810067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it on the other machine tthen < 1248810068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248810250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i've found the sarge images and there's a 1.3 one! < 1248810251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so etch it is < 1248810315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i, incidentally, sing high praises for this powermac? < 1248810318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite nice, albeit slow < 1248810386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what ofonlyboot.img is. < 1248810387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, who cares. < 1248810450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFM. < 1248810540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a manual for the floppy disk files; I've tried. < 1248810541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1248810544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what was that command again? < 1248810581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd < 1248810601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just "dd if=foo.img of=/dev/fd0" < 1248810605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says you in the past :P < 1248810654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248810672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raaaaaaaaaaage < 1248810674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail logged me out < 1248810678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the powermac :P < 1248810693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it remembered the text < 1248810800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it just doesn't work on it < 1248810813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how am i going to get my email, composed on the powermac, to the imac? < 1248810824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a floppy would be a pain :P < 1248810837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248811240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Righty ho, should have those floppies ready in no time. < 1248811247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it's just a matter of etch → lenny → testing. < 1248811276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if the processor was worth shit, I'd make it part of a cluster. :P < 1248811292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's interesting. < 1248811307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet this hardware can be quite snappy. < 1248811310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS 9 just isn't the fastest thing. < 1248811318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, boxes appear before the text inside them. < 1248811426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, there's an empty 1.19GB drive in there, monicker "STORAGE". < 1248811432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moniker < 1248811448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this, it'll probably be "OS 9.1" and "Debian". < 1248811454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fun. < 1248811820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www38.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=prime+factors+of+0 - zero is prime these days < 1248811919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "/dev/fd0: read-only filesystem" < 1248811957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Flip the switch on the disk? < 1248811970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it is. < 1248812006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then mount it as read/write? :-P < 1248812035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uhh. < 1248812037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a device file. < 1248812041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a mountpoint. < 1248812049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true < 1248812119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$ dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync" < 1248812125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from debian.org/…/powerpc/…, heh < 1248812130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The disk is dead? < 1248812134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248812135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual/multi-arch/ch-makediskette.html < 1248812139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what, both? < 1248812141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of different makes? < 1248812156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two different disks said that... maybe :-P < 1248812159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less likely < 1248812175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The disk has the write-protect tab on. < 1248812183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'd expect "IO error" or something from that, not "read-only filesystem". < 1248812184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested that < 1248812188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, it doesn't. < 1248812197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tab is covering the whole, which is apparently "Write", not "Protect". < 1248812198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure. < 1248812200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's lying to me. < 1248812205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hole, not whole < 1248812211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole hole < 1248812224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling suggests that nobody knows what that error is about < 1248812247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful. < 1248812258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't say "bad drive"; I'll cry. < 1248812268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible :-P < 1248812277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well… it didn't mount anything when the disk was put in. < 1248812281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's quite possible… < 1248812287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1248812299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do OSs generally automount floppies < 1248812313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not, Ubuntu might though :P < 1248812314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Macs. < 1248812315 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult to do < 1248812323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Perhaps, not maybe < 1248812327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Old macs, yeah. < 1248812330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New macs, mu. :P < 1248812337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu, probably not. < 1248812338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: I've read the Old New Thing article on it. < 1248812339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stupid. < 1248812341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult to do on normal machines, because they don't have disk insertion detection. < 1248812345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have a freaky drive < 1248812357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Users couldn't possibly deal with a floppy drive klunk while it's installing." < 1248812363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Therefore, we will cripple our OS." < 1248812608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uhæ < 1248812609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*… < 1248812618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's fd1? < 1248812659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm having fun with aircrack-ng < 1248812663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me scared < 1248812670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing how many open networks there are around here < 1248812682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bruce Schneier runs an open network. < 1248812689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you doubting his prowess? < 1248812707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it provides _more_ privacy; plausible denial for illegal activity) < 1248812711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is the only with WPA2. There is one with WPA and the SSID for it is set to the name of an ISP < 1248812713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248812719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few with WEP < 1248812723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most are completely open < 1248812790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I wonder what i should do < 1248812796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have another floppy drivin' computer < 1248812814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw had to patch kernel to make my wlan card support aircrack-ng... Oh and this should fix some of the kernel oopses at shutdown too since it brought in a backported driver from 2.6.30 < 1248812827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still won't fix the long time to connect bug though < 1248812951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what did you google to find the clueless peeps? < 1248812963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q="%2Fdev%2Ffd0 read-only < 1248812983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a " at the end, I assume < 1248812989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1248813008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248813009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1248813021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less typing < 1248813023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google infers it < 1248813027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : New macs, mu. :P <-- if you ever visit me I have an USB floppy drive. If you want to test it on new macs :P < 1248813038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No… thanks :P < 1248813040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even have a floppy somewhere too < 1248813043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it does? < 1248813053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1248813082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1248813464 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248813761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun a AP with a BSSID (like MAC but for access points) with all zeros < 1248813767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that is valid... < 1248814266 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248814285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1248814299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Deewiant: Doesn't work in Windows either. Guess the drive's borked. < 1248814309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need a flexible floppy writer for OS 9… bleh. < 1248814312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Totally. < 1248814329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you trying to do < 1248814334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I do have access to OS 9 < 1248814340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I might be able to help < 1248814350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not interested enough to read scrollback :P < 1248814372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Am I trying to do? < 1248814376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you missed a "what". :P < 1248814387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm trying to write two oddly-sized floppy images: one 1.2MB and one 1.6MB. < 1248814398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes indeed I missed the "what" < 1248814399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple's Disk Copy utility patently refuses to recognise either as disk images. < 1248814403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm.. < 1248814413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Linux can do it < 1248814416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final purpose for this is to boot them up so that I can have Debian on my old PowerMac. < 1248814419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ↑ < 1248814423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda circular, that :P < 1248814427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be /dev/fd device node < 1248814433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays there only seems to be /dev/fd0 < 1248814437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all the subtype stuff < 1248814441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why < 1248814442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes… in Linux… which I'm trying to install… by doing this. < 1248814457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1248814465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PC running Linux's floppy drive is broken in both Linux and Windows. < 1248814467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you need oddly sized floppies < 1248814473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also old powermac? YAY < 1248814476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because Debian etch's floppy images are that size < 1248814477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means a nice floppy drive < 1248814479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1248814484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can do more than normal PC ones < 1248814487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248814512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "Power Macintosh 7600/120", but it actually has a G3 300MHz processor, not a blargle 120MHz one, so I guess some upgrading was done. < 1248814530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how long have you had it < 1248814530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has two 1.19GB disks, one of which is empty and I'll be installing Debian on, and 96MB of RAM in a lot of 16 and 8MB sticks. < 1248814536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a year? < 1248814536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what OS did it run before < 1248814542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS 9.1, like it does now. < 1248814547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did you pay for it < 1248814551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£30. < 1248814554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 30 £ in SEK < 1248814555 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 UK = 369.235958 Swedish kronor < 1248814556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1248814558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth < 1248814563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1248814569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's kind of cool. < 1248814570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only £30. < 1248814578 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really expensive < 1248814581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also came with a 15.4" CRT, the keyboard and the mouse. < 1248814582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... *nostalgia over pre-OS X MacOS kicks in* < 1248814596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, usb keyboard or ADB one? < 1248814606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADB, same with the ONE BUTAN mouse. < 1248814616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has no USB ports. < 1248814617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later G3s had USB too < 1248814617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248814623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess first generation didn't < 1248814629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1248814630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right, it's not an iMac G3. < 1248814633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wasn't sold with a G3. < 1248814635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 7600/120... *That* one. < 1248814636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1248814637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248814642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_7600 < 1248814643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is an upgrade card in it? < 1248814649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Presumably. < 1248814657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you haven't looked < 1248814659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1248814663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway: NuBus or PCI? < 1248814667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1248814669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NuBus is fun < 1248814683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It's an Old World ROM machine, tohugh. < 1248814684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably NuBus. < 1248814685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1248814699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has drivers suggestive of some sort of ATI graphics card. < 1248814719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it is a case like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outrigger_Macintosh < 1248814725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says WP? < 1248814729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1248814732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks exactly like that. < 1248814741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when you opened it I mean < 1248814746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't opened it. < 1248814754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. does it use VGA for the monitor or some other interface? < 1248814763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CRT, so… VGA. < 1248814778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or… not. < 1248814781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well.... apple have made some strange connectors during the years < 1248814783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, looking at the back. < 1248814789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not assuming CRT = VGA for old macs < 1248814790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the CRT is made by "Axion". < 1248814804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider the "mini-scsi" found on some powerbooks < 1248814811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks to be relatively no-name. < 1248814812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ADB < 1248814815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's VGA. < 1248814816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1248814819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1248814835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no cd? < 1248814837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a flexible floppy image writer for Mac OS 9, essentially. :P < 1248814840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It can't boot from the CD. < 1248814844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh right < 1248814850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old World ROM. < 1248814856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction. < 1248814864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can boot from Mac OS 8.5 install CDs, and nothing else. < 1248814866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is there some boot floppy of standard size that can then chainload the cd? < 1248814873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe OS 9 too. < 1248814881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dunno. < 1248814890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting quite enamoured with the floppy approach, though. :) < 1248814912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=chainload+cd+old+world+mac&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Doesn't look like it. < 1248814918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is strange. I started using ubuntu. You starting using floppies... What the hell is going on!? < 1248814934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've always been a retro kind of guy! < 1248814948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least until I use a retro machine and remember that they're excruciatingly slow. < 1248814966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seemed to be extremely surprised when I updated the bios of that old dell I have using a floppy < 1248814978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I? < 1248814981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. < 1248815079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, IE 5.1 for Mac sort of… sucks. < 1248815156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1248815244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to search for me? I've done so for hours :P < 1248815275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Compare with IE 5 for the PC. < 1248815284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1248815297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Significantly better standards support. < 1248815313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has a sane and sensible box object model! It actually does PNG!) < 1248815327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248815439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyone want to search for me? I've done so for hours :P <-- search for what? < 1248815464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Mac OS 9 application that takes a floppy image and writes a floppy without such concerns for silly things like "is 1.44MB large". < 1248815488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you want dd for Mac OS. < 1248815497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Except only for floppies, due to a lack of /dev. < 1248815520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of those guys who like System 7 the best of every OS? < 1248815526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's someone more hardcore. < 1248815527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html < 1248815532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System 6 Heaven. < 1248815548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's still a Mac OS with Multifinder. < 1248815573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mac OS"? < 1248815576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"System", you uncouth person. < 1248815581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And hey, it can use two colours. < 1248815583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 8 megabytes of RAM. < 1248815583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaddup. < 1248815623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something are easier in the bloat os called system 7." < 1248815628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multitask. < 1248815629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among his complaints are "it's written in C, not asm". < 1248815672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo. < 1248815678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. Haven't they done C on the Mac for a while? < 1248815679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need these floppies writ; I've spent all day on this. < 1248815683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Since System 7. :P < 1248815693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, System 6 is modern! 1991 modern. < 1248815697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last update. :P < 1248815704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. :P < 1248815757 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love system 7 < 1248815764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how someone willing to use a Mac that old would not be willing to use A/UX. :P < 1248815765 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not system 7 - i mean unixV7 < 1248815796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from "Lawl, it's in C!" < 1248815797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A/UX is way more modern than that. < 1248815802 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-7-202.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248815822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Last release of A/UX was in '95. < 1248815827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First was in '88. < 1248815835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'88? Huh, okay. < 1248815840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, guys. < 1248815844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the same age. < 1248815846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEBIAN. Dammit. Floppies. >_> < 1248816745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1248816773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wo! < 1248816774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wow < 1248816778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These harddrives are Quantum Fireballs. < 1248816780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blast from the past. < 1248817082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will* paypal $10 to the person who finds me a suitable app < 1248817083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1248817160 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've placed the footnote after one screen of IRCing < 1248817163 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. end of page < 1248817189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248817241 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember some image software i used to use all the time on system 6 and 7 < 1248817247 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know if it had sanity checks, probably did < 1248817260 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was straight up drag and drop < 1248817267 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drag floppy to alias, get image < 1248817274 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drag image to alias, get (mounted) floppy < 1248817286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: sounds like Disk Copy? by Apple < 1248817288 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but damned if i can remember the name now < 1248817290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1248817290 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1248817293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right no < 1248817302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: i'm trying to write an image to a disk but that's close enough < 1248817310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it probably has it < 1248817319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think the net-drivers might be omittable < 1248817374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just need 1.2-writing < 1248817375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1.6 < 1248817404 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how could i forget the name of such a useful p... < 1248817408 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrinkwrap! < 1248817409 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248817451 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mac.org/utilities/shrinkwrap/ < 1248817496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: appears to do everything but write images, from the page < 1248817542 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248817548 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it writes images < 1248817552 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i remembered the name! :P < 1248817556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha its tinny speakers makes stuff sound kinda cool < 1248817578 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno though, it would make sense to be able to write images too < 1248817583 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just not the default drop behavior < 1248817586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try it < 1248817601 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't have it < 1248817608 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i ever used an app that wrote images < 1248817609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disklosure is a floppy formatter. It supports initialization, erasure, verification and desktop file manipulation of any Macintosh 800K and 1.4Mb floppy disks. Disklosure speeds up lenghty tasks such as initializing more than a couple disks from the standard Finder™ interface, and provides an all-in-one window for customization. Advanced settings to increase the available free space after initialization are also available. < 1248817611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm < 1248817616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try both of these < 1248817798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar < 1248817800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disklosure doesn't do it < 1248817874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the Stuffit guys (Aladdin Systems) made ShrinkWrap. < 1248817929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: "Sorry, but this demo of Aladdin Transaction Engine is too old to use as a demo and/or purchase." < 1248817939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but then it seems to start up < 1248817968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: it wants an unlock code :P < 1248818048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: did you buy/pirate it? :D < 1248818162 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248818199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenant: yep, it can do it :(\ < 1248818201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1248818262 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248818264 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably pirated it < 1248818269 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was over a decade ago < 1248818275 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had access to updated C&N databases at the time < 1248818276 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248818281 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if C&N still exists < 1248818451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/4ths of the way to punching the crap out of the crt < 1248818454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at evenant's irc name < 1248818465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than a wasted mind and a body on fire, i guess < 1248818475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude oerjan i made that joke < 1248818476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago < 1248818478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu :P < 1248818492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU PATENT IT < 1248818661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248818684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248818744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the long, strangely parenthetical face? < 1248818839 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm going to use that expression the next time I see somebody frowning. < 1248818844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking happy mac < 1248818845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiling at me < 1248818847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bitch < 1248818849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you be smiling < 1248818852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you couldn't write floppies < 1248818854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH MAC FACE < 1248818855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH?! < 1248818865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE A FUCKING 1-BIT 1984 MACINTOSH < 1248818867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUMB AS A BRICK < 1248818869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…sorry. < 1248818872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't deserve it. < 1248818876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to take it out on you, Happy Mac. < 1248818877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, there. < 1248818878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's okay. < 1248818991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: please include proper references, wikipedia style. < 1248819007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, [citation needed]? < 1248819027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats GregorR -----### < 1248819137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1248819158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1248819183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just debugged a trivial program for like an hour because of the new python's retardedness < 1248819301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1248819319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrote exponentiation modulo n (didn't know the new python has it, or whether the old one did), and when i realized division is, for some retarded reason, automatically done with doubles, i just corrected the result with a naive int(n/2) < 1248819356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was stupid of course, but not nearly as stupid as the fact they've made it use doubles < 1248819382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you know the error right away as i'm pointing your attention to it..? < 1248819412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exponentiation routine wasn't exactly something i thought could ever be written wrong by a human being < 1248819436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm glad i didn't switch to it < 1248819479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: x//2 < 1248819481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer, bitch < 1248819488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway division being non-integer is… senseful < 1248819507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can i enslave you to do my googling bidding < 1248819515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 3/2 < 1248819517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know the error? < 1248819518 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 < 1248819527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1248819545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the error of n/m being non-integer? < 1248819546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's feature yo < 1248819557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i mean the error with the routine < 1248819566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya mean < 1248819577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the error in that exponentiation routine < 1248819593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the int(n/2) correction didn't fix the problem < 1248819594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the problem < 1248819616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally i realized divisions were non-integer right away < 1248819650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and division being non-integer is senseful if there's a // operator, yes; although i'd have them the other way around < 1248819666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not rly, it's what division is < 1248819678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, i don't really use doubles anyway < 1248819680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know how to format a floppy in mac os 9 that's already formatted? < 1248819695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sec. it is in one of the menus in finder < 1248819699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's so obvious it'd be silly to tell you < 1248819712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glah a fucking hour < 1248819714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one of the later ones < 1248819725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just… tell me? < 1248819734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, forgot the name of it. and anyway I only used Swedish OS9 < 1248819745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "erase disk" is greyed out < 1248819753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you select the floppy first? < 1248819762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not in the folder < 1248819763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248819774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1248819776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what folder? < 1248819777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have two integers in python and i want their integer division, but the result is a double, so i do int(n/m) < 1248819779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the error? < 1248819780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you don't open the disk < 1248819781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you select it < 1248819795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a function that does exponentiation modulo m < 1248819797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think there is some sort of integer division one right? < 1248819808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ask ehird for python stuff < 1248819810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1248819814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248819818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1248819820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay nm < 1248819824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I saw // in python < 1248819826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was lol < 1248819829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that *could* be pytho n3 < 1248819832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python 3* < 1248819838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…which is what he meant < 1248819851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1248819860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm asking what could be the error with doing int(n/m) < 1248819864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it should be obvious < 1248819881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what sort of crash aircrack-ng is on when reporting this: < 1248819881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although clearly it's at least slightly less obvious than i thought < 1248819894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crash is a hip new drug! < 1248819928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i hate disk copy < 1248819931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:00:00:00:00:00 -1 0 1787 0 138 -1 OPN < 1248819935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1248819936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its fucking "LOL MUST BE 1.44MB EXACTLY" BULL SHIT < 1248819937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel 138? < 1248819939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1248819941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to start nickpinging random people < 1248819943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't exist < 1248819956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't set to listen to that channel either < 1248819959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll pad the 1.2 to 1.44 < 1248819961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1248819970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work! < 1248819972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1248819976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant crack btw < 1248819984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed < 1248819989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about the other one being at 1.6? < 1248819993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you sadi < 1248819995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said* < 1248819998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net-drivers.img, so i guess it's like < 1248819999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just think of the types okay, n/m is int -> int -> double, after which you do double -> int, whereas // is int -> int -> int < 1248820003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cd-drivers is another one that i don't need < 1248820006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess net-drivers downloads drivers < 1248820007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the net < 1248820009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1248820011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens during that translation in addition to flooring? < 1248820011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah < 1248820013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not needed? i don't know < 1248820016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what then < 1248820019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is network interface drivers < 1248820020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1248820028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you *can* download stuff < 1248820028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for a netinstall < 1248820037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but this is very generic ethernet i think < 1248820038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248820040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can deal with that later < 1248820047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you have LocalTalk? < 1248820051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's a good dd command thingy to pad out a file with zeroes, I'm dumb today < 1248820055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is apple's own network thingy < 1248820057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before ethernet < 1248820062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1248820069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's connected via regular ethernet atm < 1248820073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay :) < 1248820078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no localtalk I bet < 1248820094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it went with the iMac < 1248820096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this predates the iMac < 1248820097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo < 1248820098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is interesting, I tend to know more than you when it comes to really old macs < 1248820105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also, don't you just love OS 9? < 1248820108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ only start using a mac in 2006 < 1248820112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that sarcastic or not? < 1248820125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. I love it in a nostalgia love sort of way < 1248820132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda dandy for 1999 I gues < 1248820134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guess < 1248820135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1248820148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no memory protection, so if anything crashes it usually brings the OS with it < 1248820152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248820157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit behind for '99 < 1248820161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most mac applications were, like < 1248820162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well behave < 1248820163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1248820169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah they weren't < 1248820172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashes were common < 1248820175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones i've used at least < 1248820180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248820183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple's ones were < 1248820184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248820188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most well written ones < 1248820193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so crashes were common < 1248820194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit :P < 1248820216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about windows 95? did it have any sort of memory protection between processes? I don't remember < 1248820232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 95 and 98 was the same when it came to that too < 1248820247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 had that kinda shit, yeah < 1248820254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ok < 1248820332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ruby -e'print "\0" * 133360' >> root.img < 1248820422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how do you close a "minimised" finder window? < 1248820427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. along the bottom bar, tab like thing < 1248820499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm not sure what you mean < 1248820509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it recognises root 2.img (my padded version) < 1248820511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^!!!!! < 1248820511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1248820514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in you double clicked a window bar to fold it into the window bar? < 1248820517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1248820523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Mac_OS_9_screenshot_2.png < 1248820524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see bottom right < 1248820538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1248820542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drag leftwards to make it into a real window < 1248820543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh. I never knew that was possible < 1248820543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then close that < 1248820545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me how < 1248820552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did it by mistake, but let me try again :) < 1248820558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how did you do it < 1248820568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: simply drag a Finder window to the bottom right, it seems < 1248820571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and position as you wish < 1248820574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1248820576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then drag it up or click it once to expand up < 1248820592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful for like a downloads folder < 1248820601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can double click any window title bar to fold the window into the title bar iirc < 1248820601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Leopard's stacks on the dock < 1248820605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1248820614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I prefer the concept of minimising :P < 1248820619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROOT.IMG WRITTEN!!!!! < 1248820636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, keep mac os too? it is fun and retro :) < 1248820639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLUS < 1248820658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you some good classic MacOS-only games if you wait for a while < 1248820669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248820723 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248820736 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248820754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try net-drivers.img now < 1248820756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure < 1248820759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and i will < 1248820768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install debian on the other 1.19GB drive, now named "STORAGE" < 1248820776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave OS 9 on the first 1.19GB < 1248820779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Quantum Fireballs :-D < 1248820788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1248820789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.19 < 1248820790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248820815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway you have to agree OS 9 is fun. It makes you realise how good having a terminal actually is < 1248820823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it lacks any sort of terminal) < 1248820853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1248820857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'd be fine with mpw < 1248820861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a shell < 1248820932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, I can get the same distro as a CD < 1248820935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248820939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point it to there when it asks for the net drivers < 1248820942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably? no? < 1248820975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have mpw? < 1248820979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248820981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I might have a copy < 1248820982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248820984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed copy < 1248820994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you can just bundle that up and send it over < 1248821001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248821004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check if apple provides download still < 1248821007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1248821085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think about that distro CD driver thing? < 1248821101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1248821111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the cause of the strange channel numbers: < 1248821113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.remote-exploit.org/bt4beta-software-related-issues/22464-strange-channel-numbers-airodump-ng.html < 1248821119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11a networks < 1248821127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which operate on 5 GHz < 1248821134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answerify moi! < 1248821136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you think about that distro CD driver thing? <-- hm? < 1248821143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean < 1248821168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can get the same distribution on CD < 1248821171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it asks < 1248821174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Point to mount-point of net drivers" < 1248821178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say /media/cdrom or whatever < 1248821188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to try booting up into the installer even if I can't download anything < 1248821190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to check < 1248821191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. I don't know. My mac is newworld < 1248821197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1248821198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first generation ibook < 1248821200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the bootup stage < 1248821202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248821218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was able to boot a gentoo live cd for PPC fine and access network from it < 1248821226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yours is way too modern :) < 1248821229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's beige! < 1248821241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mine is turquoise! < 1248821257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least. I think that is what the colour is called < 1248821283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248821297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no... < 1248821303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "blueberry < 1248821303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1248821305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248821312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is ehird not using his bouncer? < 1248821392 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248821397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it ejects the bootup floppy if I restart with it in. < 1248821401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks the install guide < 1248821434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what happened to your bouncer < 1248821452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropped it when I tried out macirssi and then Colloquy. < 1248821454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1248821465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why did you quit while rebooting the old computer < 1248821473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1248821478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you aren't ircing from OS 9 < 1248821481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you? < 1248821484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the feeling, man! < 1248821485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what app < 1248821487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alas, no < 1248821494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: snak or ircle, I assume < 1248821500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "snak"? < 1248821503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircle I heard of < 1248821504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ircle is just OS X < 1248821506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248821506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snak < 1248821507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never snak < 1248821524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ircle < 1248821529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, If I give you MPW, will you write your own in pascal? < 1248821529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C < 1248821535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the supported languages iirc < 1248821547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not; I might write my own floppy writer < 1248821554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or implement scheme or something < 1248821594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, someone on #python guessed it < 1248821691 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248821756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Before using the floppy you created, set the write protect tab! Otherwise if you accidentally mount it in MacOS, MacOS will helpfully ruin it." < 1248821757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffff < 1248821860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248821887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this so full of suck. < 1248822013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway isn't it kinda hard to upload games what with resource forks? < 1248822015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.img i guess < 1248822025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .sit? < 1248822029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .img yeah < 1248822030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1248822033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have an irrational hated of .sits < 1248822038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they give me shit on OS X sometimes < 1248822042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is .hqx and a few other formats too < 1248822046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248822049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen .sit.hqx < 1248822074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sit can contain resource fork. .sit.hqx mangles that safely < 1248822076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that was it < 1248822080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure < 1248822082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248822094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I can make you a self extracting *.img < 1248822102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using some semi-hidden scrips < 1248822104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts* < 1248822109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again hidden in some sdk < 1248822111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, Disk Copy has that as a built-in feature, no? < 1248822115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time the *right* one iirc < 1248822130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not under OS 9 iirc < 1248822142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe only if you installed the scripts < 1248822144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go check < 1248822151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe that other thing evenant mentioned. < 1248822154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think Disk Utility. < 1248822158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's too slow to sanely check. < 1248822181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is too slow? < 1248822189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mac < 1248822191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while interwebbing < 1248822199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is it ok if I prepare this tomorrow? I'm a bit tired and need to sleep < 1248822200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1248822204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing < 1248822212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp2.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/d/de/debian-imac/MakeDebianFloppy.sit ← doesn't work; what do i need to do to mangle the url into workitude? like a mirror < 1248822216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you saying surfing prevents other stff < 1248822218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff* < 1248822218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248822222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it just makes it run slow. < 1248822225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from apps taking control < 1248822235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't cooperative multitasking < 1248822239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is* < 1248822242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not isn't < 1248822272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1248822276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding down the mouse button < 1248822280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes the crt whine in a different way < 1248822300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most notable over a certain position where a tabbar in the Appearance preference pane thing is < 1248822316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248822319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the mac that whines < 1248822320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway AnMaster < 1248822324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i have to mangle that link? < 1248822493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248822500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you mean about the link < 1248822503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks it < 1248822506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's down < 1248822510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get it from another mirror? < 1248822521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... where is the download page at sf.net < 1248822543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads ircle < 1248822547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the thing, it isn't on their files page < 1248822552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1248822605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/debian-imac/MakeDebianFloppy.sit < 1248822607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1248822642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now remember the modern scheme they use < 1248822643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1248822656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I will try ircle! < 1248822657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since I suspect the link is very outdated < 1248822662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to an old schme < 1248822664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme* < 1248822667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248822670 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248822742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircle time < 1248822803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248822806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has OpenProjects < 1248822899 0 :irclehird!n=newbie@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248822908 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1248822922 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tis failing badly at the topics unicode < 1248822929 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i typed those smart quotes just because i could < 1248822940 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl it isnt sending in unicode either; macroman probably < 1248822963 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooold < 1248822967 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly +c :) < 1248823063 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much do i need to bribe you to re-link that .sit? < 1248823139 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity apparently < 1248823145 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone out there wanna relink me? < 1248823275 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine i'll scour the logs on this SLUM OF A MACHINE < 1248823312 0 :irclehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1248823724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Whaddya mean, smart quotes? < 1248823730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¹ ¹. < 1248823733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1248823737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS 9.1, dude. :P < 1248823740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did mention it wasn't unicode. < 1248823756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but Plan 9 was doing UTF-8 in like 1990! < 1248823826 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they invented it < 1248823842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Yes, I know. That's half the joke. < 1248823843 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ken thompson (mr. unix himself) and rob pike came up with utf-8 implementation of unicode on a napkin at a restaurant < 1248823878 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sorry, im a plan9 AI software myself, im still learning to 'get the joke' in IRC, i will report this misunderstanding to my programmer < 1248823891 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is working on improving my understanding of jokes < 1248823908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: My apologies, good sir. How comes the singularity? < 1248823929 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the blueprints for the matrioshka brains available on the grid < 1248824001 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we plan to start large scale disassembly of the lunar surface to create computronium and begin orbital assembly of the first exa-scale neural nets within 14 stochastic-social cycle units < 1248824514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: just hire some demoscene guys sheesh < 1248824521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll have it running on just all the world's supercomputers in no time < 1248824548 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already runs on IBM's blue gene, you know that? < 1248824554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248824557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the singularity < 1248825281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: how much do i need to bribe you to re-link that .sit? <-- back < 1248825282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/! < 1248825285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afk < 1248825286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248825287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248825288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the disks are writing! < 1248825289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the 1.6 one < 1248825295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had to bad it to the exact length < 1248825298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did you do to make it work < 1248825311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also... 1.6 > 1.44? < 1248825315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248825331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: used the Make Debian Floppy utility to make sure they don't mount, make them read-only after writing so that the boot stuff isn't erased by Mac OS < 1248825333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248825338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just padded them out to exact lengths < 1248825346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2 to 1.44 and 1.6 to… more 1.6 < 1248825354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1.6*1000*1024, like how 1.44*1000*1024 is done) < 1248825364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, the 1.6 failed :( < 1248825371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, MacOS change the floppies itself?! < 1248825373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248825377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when not asked to < 1248825377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so. < 1248825391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mac changes stuff a lot < 1248825393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248825404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh so i have everything but net-drivers < 1248825535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries another disk just in case