00:05:51 Does anybody actually pronounce "towards" as two syllables? 00:05:57 I vote for spelling reform: tords 00:06:18 ... I do. 00:06:23 Suuuuuuuuuuuure you do. 00:06:48 i would in a song 00:07:00 Well only if you needed two syllables there :P 00:07:06 true :P 00:20:42 GregorR: i do 00:20:44 to-wards 00:21:30 FUCKING BRITS 00:21:34 t'wards 00:21:48 GregorR: I also don't omit consonants. 00:22:11 No, you only omit 'r's. OH WAIT 00:22:15 gregor: tords as well. 00:23:06 /tOr\dz/ pride what what 00:23:19 * GregorR puts on is tords pride pin 00:23:24 I'm not a Brit. 00:23:38 pikhq: Yeah, but I'm not sure who to blame for you :P 00:23:38 Actually, I speak quite impeccably, when I think about it. 00:23:52 GregorR: Nor am I. 00:23:54 ehird: ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 00:23:54 ehird: thats because you're a tord. 00:24:02 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 00:24:04 I've moved about every other year. 00:24:05 :P 00:24:15 GregorR: Is there some sort of thing about Britons and Rs? 00:24:17 I don't follow. 00:24:25 ehird: Non-rhotic accents. 00:24:27 Yes, that's me making an American schwer sound :P 00:24:40 this is true 00:24:47 a lot of british accents, including RP, are non-rhotic 00:25:01 however gregor, thats not so much omitting r's as it is having no rhotic vowels 00:25:07 in phonetics, atleast 00:25:11 Yeah, I know :P 00:25:13 which i guess amounts to omitting r's 00:25:23 And a lot of American accents are rhotic -- because when they forked from Britain, most British accents were rhotic. 00:25:23 but then theres a good question of whether the r's are there in the first place 00:25:25 But since 'r' is usually considered a consonant (we don't have a schwer letter), it was easy :P 00:25:33 for instance 00:26:00 ehirds "towards" is probably [t+h@wO:dz] 00:26:04 I would like to take this opportunity to say "Tony Bleh" 00:26:15 no no gregorr what i mean is 00:26:31 theres a difference between [@r\] and [@`] 00:26:34 GregorR: augur: It's not pronounced "Bleh", even by Britons, and here is proof that I pronounce Rs: http://filebin.ca/yommfq/arrrr.ogg 00:26:45 ehird: E_JOKE 00:26:47 sounds crap but 00:26:48 :P 00:26:51 GregorR: shaddup you 00:27:00 (sounds crap = bad intonation; i was just getting the point across) 00:27:03 ehird, its probably not "bleh" 00:27:09 but it DOES lack an r/ 00:27:10 . 00:27:16 Yeah, it's more like "Blaih". 00:27:24 its probably more [ble@] 00:27:28 Anyway, arrrr.ogg shuts up all you non-rhoters. 00:27:29 or [blE@] 00:27:32 ehird: So, what you're saying is that it's about as bad as the Python's mock American accents? 00:27:42 anyway, i'm rhotic, so. 00:27:42 pikhq: define it 00:27:48 I LURVE when the Pythons mock American accents. 00:27:52 augur: is arrrr.ogg really lacking in /r/s? 00:27:53 That = hilarious fun times for all? 00:27:57 ehird, didnt listen 00:27:59 give me a bit and i will 00:28:04 what does ehird say in that thing 00:28:08 ehird: arrrr.org 00:28:11 "Britons omit Rs? Really?" 00:28:14 Erm. 00:28:24 i have to go make my blackboard. 00:28:25 "britons are mi tords? really?" 00:28:26 :P 00:28:32 xD 00:28:33 but right, ofc 00:29:08 Does anybody actually pronounce "towards" as two syllables? <-- yes? 00:29:12 Well, at least it's better than what I shall call (for lack of a better term) hyper-rhotic accents. 00:29:20 AnMaster: Argh we've already established that I'm wrong here :P 00:29:56 Southern accents are stunning in both the length and the amount of their r's. 00:30:07 ehird: listening 00:30:07 Hurr hurr 00:30:55 oklopol: also it's more "britons are mit arse, really?" 00:31:15 about "r"... Isn't that RP to drop the r in some place? 00:31:17 I remember while I was in Italy a very-international group including myself were talking, and we determined that Americans and Australians should have loud public conversations so that everybody else can say "well at least my accent isn't THAT offensive" 00:31:19 like "are"? 00:31:23 (but not "right" 00:31:25 ) 00:31:27 RP is kind of crap. 00:31:44 augur can probably write in formal lingustic language what my accent is :-P 00:31:49 ehird, maybe, that is what they *try* to teach us learning English as a second language though 00:32:04 well 00:32:05 i mean 00:32:13 it's fine on like the BBC and stuff 00:32:14 ehird: going by your speech, yes. [br\It@nz omIt a`:z r\iIli] 00:32:20 but i'm not in to that whole upper-class bullshit :P 00:32:25 augur, he is l33t? 00:32:27 augur: so is that rhotic or not 00:32:31 SAMPA looks like that 00:32:32 AnMaster: I have two friends from Sweden (in particular); one omits 'r's and the other doesn't. The one who doesn't could probably be convincingly American if he changed up his emphasis a bit. 00:32:32 :P 00:32:59 its either a`:z or a_v:z 00:33:00 GregorR, I know both too 00:33:03 ehird: oklopol: also it's more "britons are mit arse, really?" <<< yes, i guess i just wanted the tords there. 00:33:03 that is why I said *try* 00:33:20 its british rhotic. 00:33:27 So why is that? British taught in schools, but all the imported TV programs are American? 00:33:30 augur: Which is uncommon or something? :P 00:33:37 no? 00:33:48 GregorR, good summary 00:34:19 it just doesnt have a coda r, it has rhotic vowels. which is what you'd expect in a rhotic british dialect 00:34:20 Conclusions: Tobias learned English from books, Johan learned English from TV ;) 00:34:22 just like rhotic american dialects 00:34:31 augur: Kay. 00:34:33 the real question is whether or not there is an r underlyingly or not 00:34:39 GregorR, hah 00:34:50 augur: So what is my accent, anyway? It's probably not southern, but it's far... blander than most northern ones, too. 00:34:56 also, ehird, you're so adorable. 00:35:00 I assume you can tell from one sample. 00:35:00 * augur puts ehird on a keychain 00:35:01 GregorR: Hah. 00:35:06 * GregorR smacks augur. 00:35:07 BAD 00:35:07 NO 00:35:10 no, i dont know what your dialect is. im not a dialectologist. 00:35:11 GregorR, How the hell do you pronounce those names in English? I'd love to hear how you mess them up 00:35:17 im a syntactician/semanticist 00:35:18 actually 00:35:25 you won't mess them up as much as my name 00:35:30 speaking of british r's 00:35:32 WELSH. 00:35:34 augur: well fuck you, become a dialectologist :P 00:35:41 AnMaster: Toe-bee-as, and Joe-han. :P 00:35:48 the welsh accent has so many r's :o 00:35:55 (I'm too lazy for the IPA) 00:36:03 pikhq, *snicker* *HAHA* *LOL* *ROFL* 00:36:24 AnMaster: America: mispronouncing names for 300 years. 00:36:29 pikhq, where did you get the "e" in "Joe-han" from? 00:36:29 AnMaster: Like this: http://filebin.ca/xkaxpj/tobiasandjohansittinginatrees-w-e-d-i-s-hing.ogg 00:36:31 Could've been worse 00:36:47 AnMaster: I think it's fairly correct. 00:36:51 tobias shouldn't be *that* different 00:36:51 FireFly: also. 00:36:51 AnMaster: ... I'm saying it's pronounced like "Joe", the name. 00:37:06 I over-pronounced Tobias a bit, though. 00:37:10 it doesn't even start with the same character 00:37:12 pikhq 00:37:13 firefly: shouldnt you be smuggling cows? 00:37:14 AnMaster: http://filebin.ca/vyowo/TobiasJohan.ogg 00:37:24 err 00:37:24 Hm? 00:37:32 ehird, your were cut off? 00:37:38 argh was it 00:37:49 sec 00:37:52 FireFly: you're a culturally inept fool. :| 00:37:57 :( 00:37:58 GregorR, Joe-han is quite funny IMO 00:38:07 AnMaster: http://filebin.ca/xkaxpj/tobiasandjohansittinginatrees-w-e-d-i-s-hing.ogg 00:38:10 GregorR, drop the e sound and you would be closer 00:38:20 I said Jo- instead of Yo- though. 00:38:21 ... I pronounce an 'e' sound somewhere? 00:38:34 i think he means joEhan? 00:38:35 GregorR, "Joe-han" yes 00:38:39 *-? 00:38:41 ... There's an actual "e" sound in "Joe"? 00:38:43 * augur swedishes ehird 00:38:45 pikhq: Yes. 00:38:48 English spelling is a fickle bitch. 00:38:50 ehird, no theres no. 00:38:53 ehird: ... No. 00:38:53 not* 00:39:05 GregorR, ehird: Please sync your recording volume, I need to mess with replay gain to hear ehird while not getting my hearing broken by GregorR! 00:39:16 my mic is just low-volume 00:39:20 AnMaster: I'm trying to see where there could POSSIBLY be an 'e' sound here >_O 00:39:21 "Joe" does not have an "e" sound. 00:39:30 augur: http://filebin.ca/ttkeqx/fuckbutt.ogg 00:39:31 does so 00:39:34 AnMaster: http://filebin.ca/xkaxpj/tobiasandjohansittinginatrees-w-e-d-i-s-hing.ogg <-- same as first tiem 00:39:35 time* 00:39:37 no it does not, ehird. 00:39:37 as in 00:39:39 AnMaster: it's complete. 00:39:39 same link 00:39:40 ehird: Bullshit. 00:39:45 oh 00:39:46 hm 00:39:47 i'll reupload 00:39:53 ehird: yours is even worse than GregorR's 00:39:53 ehird, ends at "tobias and joeh..."? 00:40:04 ehird, record your "Joe" for uss. 00:40:06 I say this knowing full-well how the name is pronounced, it being *my middle name*. 00:40:12 AnMaster: no, i just finish it quickly 00:40:15 [like your mom] 00:40:18 pikhq: augur: http://filebin.ca/ttkeqx/fuckbutt.ogg 00:40:20 already did 00:40:25 ... There's an actual "e" sound in "Joe"? <-- well How would you prounonce it without the "e"? Like "Jo"? 00:40:29 in MY DIALECT, joe has an e 00:40:38 AnMaster: Yes. 00:40:38 ehird 00:40:40 i listened to that 00:40:44 there is no "e" sound. 00:40:49 "Joe" and "Jo" are pronounced the same. "Jo" is a female name. 00:40:54 pikhq, duh. I meant how would you pronounce "Jo" 00:40:58 same as "Joe"? 00:41:01 Yes 00:41:02 yeah well your mom has no e sound 00:41:05 Yes. 00:41:06 huh 00:41:07 ok 00:41:16 well her name is "Michelle" so she has one. 00:41:18 then I guess the quality of the o is wrong 00:41:25 augur: i never said michelle i said "your mom" 00:41:30 augur: do english speakers actually have a uniform definition for the "e" sound? 00:41:35 oklopol: Ha 00:41:36 can't record atm, people sleeping in the next room 00:41:36 yes, you did say "your mom" 00:41:39 Well, there's a difference in the swedish and english o sound 00:41:41 but you didnt say it in quotes 00:41:53 therefore it was a use of the terms not a reference to the phrase "your mom" 00:41:54 GregorR: that was an actual question though :P 00:41:56 English phonology is *also* a fickle bitch. 00:41:57 therefore you're wrong. 00:42:04 pikhq: no, its not 00:42:04 And has 0 correlation with English spelling. 00:42:08 the phonology isnt tricky 00:42:14 the spelling is ... meh. 00:42:15 oklopol: No. Not even slightly. I don't have a clue which sound you refer to when you say 'e' sound. 00:42:18 the spelling is here and there. 00:42:25 the problem with english spelling today 00:42:28 oklopol: Could be 'eh', 'ee', even 'ae' 00:42:30 is that it makes PERFECT sense 00:42:34 for english 1000 yers ago. 00:42:47 augur: Okay, yeah... The only tricky bit with English phonology is that there's rather a lot of phonemes. 00:42:54 no theres not 00:42:56 GregorR: ae as in ä? well i get your point anyway 00:43:00 like back 00:43:01 no more than, say, finnish 00:43:04 I'm fairly certain Swedish has like a trillion more sounds than English :P 00:43:06 or german 00:43:06 And some languages have it worse. Slavic languages. *shudder* 00:43:06 english sucks :P 00:43:17 it's like the worst language evar 00:43:21 pikhq: english isnt all that bad in terms of phoneme inventory 00:43:22 English rules. 00:43:27 if you want a crazy phoneme inventory 00:43:29 English rules because it has absolutely no regulating body. 00:43:30 check out Ubykh 00:43:39 ehird: Got a lot of words. 00:43:40 15 or 20 DISTINCT uvular sounds 00:43:51 words are useless 00:43:56 we need dynamically linked word libraries 00:44:00 GregorR: ae as in ä? well i get your point anyway <--- is that "mainland" Swedish ä or "finlandsvenskt" ä? 00:44:06 there is a difference iirce 00:44:08 iirc* 00:44:13 it's like preferring PHP because it has like 5,000 names in the main namespace 00:44:16 If I Recall Correctly Eclectically 00:44:16 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:44:17 though the difference for "o" sound is much larger 00:44:24 i'm not good with vowels. 00:44:28 maybe word FFIs 00:44:29 :D 00:45:01 which reminds me, augur, are you still interested in teaching me phonology 00:45:06 sure! 00:45:11 phonetics and phonology 00:45:25 sure, also i'd like you to help me with my crappy american accent 00:45:45 cant help you there. i mean, i can try, but im not an accent coach. 00:45:58 also, i like your accent. :| 00:45:59 oklopol: to pronounce the /O/ sound, you open your mouth wiiiiiiide, and then suck any dick that happens to come in 00:46:04 augur: Okay, the tricky bit with English is this: there is no mapping between phonemes and graphemes. 00:46:07 augur: pretty true. 00:46:15 00:46 augur: augur: pretty true. 00:46:16 augur, what about /ɧ/ 00:46:22 `addquote augur: pretty true. 00:46:23 47| augur: pretty true. 00:46:23 pikhq: theres some. its not as straightforward as finnish, say. 00:46:28 CAN ANYONE BUT Swedes and Finns manage it? 00:46:31 I think not 00:46:42 ɧ 00:46:43 did i respond to myself? 00:46:44 haha. :D 00:46:46 ON IRC YOU CAN PRONOUNCE ANYTHING 00:46:47 ehird* 00:46:47 :D 00:46:57 ehird, fail 00:47:01 And there's quite a few more phonemes than letters. Which makes it hard to make a decent spelling system without breaking out the diacritics. 00:47:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_palatal-velar_fricative 00:47:04 WTF. I just went to download Schubert's Ave Maria, and instead I got the prayer put to his music??? 00:47:09 AnMaster: ɧ 00:47:10 done 00:47:13 GregorR: xD 00:47:16 GregorR: ... 00:47:23 That's rather stunning. 00:47:24 [Sx)] is debated. 00:47:27 ehird, as in: using your voice 00:47:30 and record it 00:47:38 ɧ 00:47:39 ɧ 00:47:40 GregorR, how sad 00:47:41 done 00:47:44 ehird, .... 00:47:47 AnMaster: "how sad"? 00:47:50 ehird, you are not funny 00:48:08 augur, what is that? 00:48:13 augur, the Sx one 00:48:27 can you please write it in IPA or I can't understand you 00:48:33 (I refuse to learn SAMPA) 00:49:32 I refuse to learn English 00:49:38 Can you please write it in Lojban or I can't understand you 00:49:43 I would like to congratulate Japanese on having a really simple phonology. 00:49:52 I atteikties mÄcÄ«ties latvieÅ¡u valodÄ. 00:50:03 GregorR: ... 00:50:13 GregorR, nice! 00:50:15 pikhq: I would like to cancel out that congratulation of Japanese because it has a really complex everything else. 00:50:19 ipa:ɧ = ipa:ʃ͡x = sampa:Sx) 00:50:19 GregorR, you know lojban? 00:50:26 That was Latvian :P 00:50:26 ... 00:50:27 that's not lojban 00:50:33 augur, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_palatal-velar_fricative says "X-SAMPA x\" 00:50:34 oklopol knows lojban though. well, bits. 00:50:39 not sure if that is relevant here 00:50:39 is it x\? 00:50:40 heck, i know a bit of lojban. 00:50:41 whatever 00:50:41 bits and pieces 00:50:42 same thing. 00:50:44 ehird: No, it has really rather simple grammar as well. 00:50:46 augur, oh? 00:50:47 Sx) = x\ 00:50:50 pikhq: apart from that :P 00:50:52 augur, anyway what do you mean debated? 00:50:58 And its writing system is really nice except for the kanji. 00:51:04 as in many phoneticians dont think its actually real 00:51:05 lojban is probably the easiest language to learn 00:51:16 I want to learn Scots. 00:51:16 pikhq: kanji is a really stupid idea 00:51:17 lojban is ridiculous to learn :D 00:51:18 augur, I can easily pronounce the relevant sound. I don't know what you suggest it is instead 00:51:20 "let's just have one letter... for EVERYTHING" 00:51:20 And its vocabulary is not hard, aside from the honorifics. 00:51:21 augur: what, why? 00:51:28 i learned the basics and some vocab in a few days 00:51:37 anmaster: im sure you can, but that doesnt mean its actually a simultaneous S and x 00:51:37 and i have been totally unable to learn any other language in my whole life 00:51:41 ehird: No harder than English. 00:51:48 it probably DOES exist, i think, but thats irrelevant ;) 00:51:52 pikhq: what isn't? 00:51:55 ehird: why, because its incredibly unnatural 00:52:01 ehird: Kanji. 00:52:07 augur: no it's not 00:52:11 yes it is. 00:52:16 sounds like the opinion of someone who's never used it 00:52:19 it was easy for me 00:52:25 augur, but I know someone from Germany (who lived in Sweden since 1950 and is now about 70 years old) having problems with the sound. 00:52:25 you don't see the logical underpinnings most of the time 00:52:25 In fact, quite a bit simpler, because the symbols at least have something to do with the meaning. 00:52:26 doesnt matter how EASY it was 00:52:31 its still unnatural. 00:52:39 so clearly it is not "They have very similar acoustic properties, not dissimilar from the /ç/ sound of southern Dutch or German ch after e or i, and feature distinct labialization" the same as that 00:52:41 augur: unnatural is such a stupid fucking way to dis something 00:52:44 anmaster: irrelevant. 00:52:44 so's living in a house 00:52:47 so's using a computer 00:52:53 so's doing all the fucking stuff we do 00:52:55 ehird, its not a dis. its just a statement of fact. 00:53:00 augur: then why is learning lojban silly 00:53:03 and i dispute that it's unnatural 00:53:04 augur: i find it much more natural than finnish 00:53:06 or english 00:53:07 it's just UNFAMILIAR 00:53:09 its unnatural, and not incredibly easy to learn. 00:53:14 augur, how so? Wouldn't it indicate it isn't the same sound 00:53:19 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:53:25 natural languages are simply crap 00:53:25 ehird, you can dispute that its unnatural. you're still wrong. 00:53:25 augur — pioneer of argument by because-I-said-so 00:53:34 also arbiter of all that is natural 00:53:45 no, pioneer of "i'm actually familiar with the typological distribution of syntactic properties and you're not" 00:53:55 He's a linguiÅ¿t. I'd þink þat he'd know þeÅ¿e Å¿orts of þings. 00:54:02 Humans are a part of nature. Everything we produce is therefore by definition natural. In fact, there is nothing unnatural in existence, by definition. Period. 00:54:03 ^^ 00:54:11 because we all know that when learning and using languages, we think subconsciously about the typological distribution of syntactic properties 00:54:13 pikhq: think and that have different sounds 00:54:18 and this is what makes languages natural or not 00:54:20 QED 00:54:22 GregorR: Ah, all-natural cyanide. :) 00:54:33 Well cyanide is CERTAINLY natural. 00:54:35 oklopol: And in English, þ = th. 00:54:37 ehird: no, but those typological distributions come about because of inherent cognitive biases 00:54:46 Cyanide is natural by any definition. 00:54:47 biases that you cant get around. 00:54:56 cyanide is produced in apple seeds :o 00:54:59 That in Old English and other Germanic languages, þ and ð are different doesn't change that in English, we just use þ. 00:55:00 augur: strange, then, that tons of people who have used lojban didn't feel anything was odd about it at all 00:55:03 And bitter almonds. 00:55:04 oddly, it smells like almond, not apple. 00:55:04 (when it's still used. :)) 00:55:06 o_O 00:55:06 and didn't seem to have some huge mental blockage 00:55:06 pikhq: sorry, i just see random crap, though they were phonemes of some sort :) 00:55:13 oklopol: And in English, th = th. <-- uh yeah? 00:55:15 augur: strange, then, that there are people who can think fluently in lojban 00:55:25 AnMaster: Thorn. 00:55:28 oh wait, the typological distributions! clearly we all secretly hate lojban and it's so unnatural 00:55:30 ehird: theres a difference between being able to use it, and being able to use it naturally. 00:55:34 theres a huge difference. 00:55:35 pikhq, I know :P 00:55:41 AnMaÅ¿ter: Your Å¿cript is dumb, BTW. 00:55:49 augur: there are multiple people who are fluent in lojban. there are people who can think in lojban without translation (1 or 2, I think) 00:55:55 pikhq: err, so are you saying think and that have the same sound, or that your character just meant the same as the english th, that is, both? 00:55:58 you can be fluent in lojban 00:56:00 thats fine 00:56:06 augur: you're ignoring my second clause 00:56:09 fluency is not the same as speaking it natively. 00:56:14 oklopol: I'm saying that the two different phonemes are written with the same character. 00:56:19 any language you can think in without translation does not have a mental blockage 00:56:28 oklopol: It's the letter thorn, BTW. 00:56:33 pikhq: right, i can't really keep up with this much talk :P 00:56:33 oklopol: Also, get you some UTF-8. 00:56:33 didnt say it would, ehird 00:56:34 pikhq, why? 00:56:35 a mental blockage that has no effects and is completely unobservable is an invisible pink unicorn 00:56:40 It comes up in this channel a *lot*. 00:56:42 but you dont understand what i mean 00:56:50 pikhq: it should be on, but i can't get mirc to obey me. 00:57:00 ehird, just to satisfy you tho 00:57:04 oklopol: And there's your first failure. 00:57:06 augur: you haven't defined what's natural and why apart from using theoretics; you haven't provided any reason for why this mental blockage has never shown up 00:57:07 ill take a look at lojban grammar 00:57:16 ehird 00:57:17 i see no reason to consider what you say reasonable 00:57:23 i didnt say anything about mental blockage 00:57:29 you did. 00:57:33 you said it was unnatural and went against built-in cognitive biases 00:57:36 augur: Should be fun. Human language with regular grammar? :D 00:57:36 yes 00:57:45 thats not the same as a "mental blockage" 00:57:46 maybe we have wildly differing definitions of cognitive biases; yours involves them doing nothing at all 00:57:51 pikhq: mirc? it's my only failure, you silly goof 00:57:51 pikhq: i doubt that lojban is regular. 00:58:03 it has a yacc parser 00:58:04 augur: Erm. Context-free. 00:58:05 And XD 00:58:06 augur, it can be parsed with yacc 00:58:14 :slowpoke: 00:58:14 augur, so yes it is 00:58:16 Its official grammar is written in BNF. 00:58:20 ehird, ? 00:58:25 AnMaster: That makes it context-free, not regular. 00:58:27 anmaster: uh. yacc isnt a regular language parser tho is it 00:58:30 00:58 ehird: it has a yacc parser […] 00:58 AnMaster: augur, it can be parsed with yacc 00:58:36 augur: it's a programming language parser 00:58:37 pikhq, oh indeed. Too tired... 00:58:39 machine-usable 00:58:42 ehird, so? 00:58:48 i was just saying 00:58:49 Btw, re:cyanide and almonds: The common myth (or actually true statement that's so wildly misunderstood that it may as well be a myth) is that cyanide tastes like bitter almonds. The truth is that A) bitter almonds are a separate but related nut to almonds and B) bitter almonds taste like cyanide because THEY'RE FULL OF F***ING CYANIDE 00:58:50 whats that got to do with anything 00:59:04 ehird, different timing here 00:59:12 AnMaster: multiple seconds 00:59:12 ehird: you do know regular grammars are a very specific concept? 00:59:16 ehird: Yacc does context-free grammars (and a few non-context-free grammars with some fiddling), not regular. ;) 00:59:21 i would wager that lojban is not context free 00:59:22 oklopol: yes 00:59:24 i was just noting 00:59:25 ehird, your timestamps includes no seconds... 00:59:29 AnMaster: correct 00:59:53 ehird, so it is clearly another exaggeration, since you love them so 01:00:00 I was one second before here 01:00:22 ehird 01:00:25 two-three seconds for me 01:00:27 are you fluent in lojban 01:00:28 anyway it was a joke 01:00:29 so stfu 01:00:36 ehird, exact numbers please? 01:00:38 augur: no. i want to be and it is a goal of mine 01:00:42 ok. 01:00:43 AnMaster: my client doesn't record it so tough shit 01:00:53 ehird, you fail indeed. Tough shit 01:00:54 well, i would bet that there are non-CF aspects of lojban 01:01:04 WAAH STOP MAKING JOKES I'M SO INSECURE 01:01:08 augur: why would it be ridiculous to learn a language that is not natural? 01:01:13 augur: it has a yacc parser, and yacc does context-free grammar 01:01:14 ehird, um what? 01:01:23 ehird, how was that funny to begin with 01:01:27 augur: anyway, when learning simple lojban it was as smooth as butter and never felt unnatural. coming from someone who's never been able to learn languages 01:01:28 also, augur, there are variables, maybe using undefined variables is wrong and non-cf. 01:01:35 Stop it stop it stop it I must reassert myself 01:01:42 ehird, what does "slowpoke" even mean? 01:01:49 AnMaster: stupido 01:01:51 oklopol: its not impossible, its just that natural biases tend to push us to analyze things in a particular way and certain specific aspects are INCREDIBLY difficult to get around 01:01:52 which was my original question implied by "?" 01:01:52 :slowpoke: = http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/slowpoke.gif 01:01:54 slowpoke = slow 01:01:58 also a pokemans 01:02:07 oklopol, and what does *that* mean 01:02:09 anyway 01:02:11 http://www.answers.com/slowpoke 01:02:22 ehird: simple lojban is not likely to be unnatural ;) 01:02:32 augur: but there isn't any complex lojban! 01:02:39 it's just simple, slightly less simple, and you go on to learning the vocab 01:02:44 then its not a fully expressing language! 01:02:46 well right, not really directly related to stupidity 01:02:51 augur: it is! 01:02:55 you just piece shit together 01:02:58 i just assumed it was an insult 01:03:01 the words are all quite short, so 01:03:05 thats irrelevant ehird 01:03:07 ehird, "One that moves, works, or acts slowly." <-- as in "considers his moves, doesn't act rashly"? 01:03:08 im talking about syntax. 01:03:19 ehird, or as in "stupid"? 01:03:23 AnMaster: lol 01:03:28 ehird, how does lojban constraint unbounded dependencies 01:03:38 augur: i'd need to know what you mean by natural biases 01:03:40 Fuck. Fuck he called me a slowpoke. I must reassert myself. So insecure. Ahem. Okay. Let's respin this, uhh, let's look it up. 01:03:41 ehird, both ways to interpret it seems possible 01:03:43 augur: wtf does that mean 01:03:44 Just a sec while I hand you the formal grammar. 01:03:46 AnMaster: neither. 01:03:49 it means slowpoke. 01:03:59 augur: btw, you know that #lojban is, for a large part, conversed in lojban? 01:04:03 ehird: it means non-local argument filling. 01:04:06 ehird, hah. Recursive definitions sucks. :/ 01:04:07 without any difficulty 01:04:08 augur: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter21.html Yacc and Backus-Naur form. 01:04:11 ehird, none of that matters 01:04:17 augur: you mean like skipping an argument to a predicate sort of thing? 01:04:20 yeah lojban has that. 01:04:33 ehird: im not sure if thats quite what i mean. i'd have to see what _you_ mean 01:04:38 ehird, also what are those impersonations things on about?... 01:04:49 but i mean things like question words, or topicalization, or parasitic gapping 01:04:49 they aren't even close to what I think 01:04:50 AnMaster: i'm making fun of you. 01:05:09 ehird, oh is it that. I thought you were just being silly... 01:05:10 augur: i don't think it constraints them 01:05:13 augur: drives(Guy, OtherGuy ToPlace). vs drives(Guy, OtherGuy, AwesomeCar, ToPlace). 01:05:14 *constrains 01:05:22 augur: "non-local argument filling" 01:05:24 no not that at all. 01:05:26 you can skip about the argument list to the predicates 01:05:28 augur: what, then 01:05:29 ehird, please wake me up when you arrive at the "fun" bit of it. 01:05:35 more like 01:05:37 well, probably don't understand the question 01:05:42 AnMaster: ooh you're going? awesome! 01:05:43 augur: Read the formal grammar instead of asking ehird. ;) 01:05:48 pikhq: i will :P 01:05:50 pikhq: no, don't 01:05:53 the yacc is autogenerated 01:05:57 and has names like RRR_49df_d 01:06:01 ehird: There's also BNF. 01:06:06 oh well 01:06:09 augur's asking about semantics 01:06:13 the bnf just parses the syntactical tree 01:06:16 ehird, no, im not 01:06:18 shut up for a second. 01:06:19 ehird, nah, but the risk of falling asleep when talking to you isn't insignificant in the best of situations... 01:06:21 most of the predicate/argument/etc is part of the semantics, au 01:06:22 augur: 01:06:25 instead of the syntax 01:06:27 He's asking about syntax. 01:06:33 You suck at this. 01:06:48 i don't know linguistic terms, okay? 01:06:50 don't expect me to read minds 01:07:11 text is a very unnatural media for interactive conversations when you're tired says i. 01:07:21 ehird 01:07:27 in english you have things like parasitic gaps like so: 01:07:37 (*medium) 01:07:39 oklopol: A never-ending flood of linguistics is bad regardless of all else :P 01:07:41 oklopol: do you know any curses in lojban? 01:07:47 "This is the article_i that Mary filed t_i without reading t_i" 01:07:59 ehird: that's one of lojban's weak spots imo 01:08:07 where t_i is a marker that denotes a lack of a symbol 01:08:11 you usually use mabla, and attach it to other stuff 01:08:18 "bad" 01:08:21 augur: i think lojban has shit like that 01:08:23 ask oklopol 01:08:28 ehird, if it does, its not CF! 01:08:30 i don't really know much lojban 01:08:35 augur: well who cares :P 01:08:37 but ill read this grammar for now <3 01:08:44 meanwhile, http://perpetuum-immobile.de/komo.png is still funny 01:09:01 but only because it's so hard to translate 01:09:04 iirc it goes something like: 01:09:16 "tell me what you will do to me [but also a command of that doing]" 01:09:19 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:09:19 oklopol: A never-ending flood of linguistics is bad regardless of all else :P <-- "head on" I believe the idiom is 01:09:25 i.e. do something then tell me what it is you did 01:09:34 then some emotion thingy 01:09:38 then he hits the other guy 01:09:41 then he says "hit" 01:09:42 or whatever 01:09:46 it's not actually funny 01:09:46 ehird: nothing says "me" is the object 01:09:53 oklopol: ah right 01:09:58 but, you laugh once you've translated it 01:10:02 because otherwise it'd be wasted effort 01:10:11 pikhq: that grammar is unreadable. 01:10:14 the field of lojban humour is not well developed. 01:10:17 augur: i told you so 01:10:23 it's not for human consumption 01:10:37 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:10:39 i will look at the learn-lojban thing and try to translate it into normal linguistics. 01:10:49 augur: Good to know. 01:11:03 augur: lojban is awesome regardless of how unnatural it is anyway 01:11:07 Sgeo: RUN WHILE YOU CAN 01:11:11 ehird: maybe! 01:11:23 Sgeo: RUN ON TO A CAN 01:11:37 Sgeo: RUN INTO A TRASH CAN 01:11:43 How do I make a cheap flash drive not break when I take it out? 01:11:44 Sgeo: RUN TO THE HILLS 01:11:51 Sgeo: RUN 'ROUND THE MILLS 01:11:57 anyway, i don't really like lojban *that* much, it just feels too human-compatible imo 01:12:00 Sgeo: RUN TO THE FILLS 01:12:05 Sgeo: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE 01:12:07 Sgeo: RUN 'TIL YOU GET CHILLS 01:12:07 Sgeo: RUN AND THEN KILL 01:12:12 Sgeo: RUN AS PER THE DRILL 01:12:17 i'd just like math + a few words for defining physical objects and a few mental processes 01:12:18 I want a language in sexps. 01:12:22 Sgeo: RUN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BILL 01:12:29 Sgeo: RUN AND DON'T BE STILL 01:12:32 have i ever mentioned how much i hate numetal? 01:12:33 ... 01:12:33 * Sgeo saw a Phoenix Wrong where there was "Run to the hills. Run for your life" 01:12:37 STOP THIS MEME NOW? 01:12:42 AnMaster: NO 01:12:46 OH DAMN 01:12:46 sgeo: a phoenix wrong? 01:12:47 AnMaster: STOP THIS MEME HOW? 01:12:48 Sgeo: RUN LEST THEY MAKE YOU TAKE YOUR PILL 01:12:49 augur: No. But it's worth hating. 01:12:55 GregorR, no you... 01:13:00 pikhq: what? 01:13:09 oklopol: mathematics + bayesian probability + utilitarianism + a few things like does(Agent,Thing) and stuff 01:13:11 Numetal. 01:13:14 = mathtalk! 01:13:16 augur, youtube it 01:13:17 * pikhq listens to Quadrophenia happily 01:13:19 lojmath 01:13:48 ehird: you need the physical objects. 01:14:10 oklopol: but that's all subjective 01:14:16 you just need functions for experience 01:14:17 well i mean vectors mostly 01:14:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYPyOIaLdTU 01:14:25 and bayes + utilitarianism handles most the rest 01:14:33 oklopol: im willing to bet that IF lojban is actually completely naturalistic 01:14:34 (nsfw language and themes occasionally) 01:14:41 that its run of the mill in how its naturalistic. 01:14:43 (note: this imposes a system of morality that nobody actually goes by it 100% on your speakers) 01:14:57 augur: no, oklopol is just ridiculously unnatural :D 01:15:16 augur: it's better than natural languages in any case 01:15:27 oklopol: probably not! 01:15:48 sgeo: how does an iron maiden lyric figure in with phoenix wright? 01:15:48 i usually just learn natural languages' vocab, the rest is boring 01:15:59 oklopol: thats because you dont know much about the rest! 01:16:00 I want Yu Wan Mei Miscellaneous Flavor Paste :( 01:16:03 augur is just a fetishist for crappy, crufty old languages 01:16:06 natural language syntax and semantics is awesome 01:16:12 GregorR: get the Device, I'm sure it can manufacture it for you 01:16:23 ehird: I don't have that kind o' scratch! 01:16:25 far more complicated and interesting than computer language syntax and semantics :o 01:16:29 -!- coppro has joined. 01:16:31 On a side note: The Who is a great band. 01:16:35 GregorR: the device can print money 01:16:39 you just have to have faith 01:16:54 i don't really like the who 01:16:55 augur: i'm saying they are not interesting to use; they would be interesting to learn if they were taught properly. 01:16:57 ehird, what is "the Device"? 01:17:02 ehird: You have no taste. 01:17:07 AnMaster: the Yu Wan Mei Device, of course. 01:17:11 You hate rock. 01:17:13 It has been completed and is now available for sale. 01:17:16 oklopol, the languages themselves are actually pretty meh. its the properties of Language thats awesome 01:17:16 but languages are rarely taught rigorously enough for my taste 01:17:17 And for that, you die. 01:17:19 ehird, what does it do 01:17:25 pikhq: i love rock, I just don't really like the who 01:17:29 augur, the same that the Simpsons have to do with Phoenix Wright 01:17:32 AnMaster: It has the following features: 01:17:38 sec 01:17:39 augur: right now we're speaking the same language 01:17:39 i would love to see a polysynthetic programming language 01:17:39 link 01:17:40 x3 01:17:40 ehird: Why not? 01:17:56 AnMaster: for $4,250.99 you get this stylish device: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090720/yuwanmei_device_large.jpg 01:18:01 allow me to find the list of features 01:18:08 yes... 01:18:23 * GregorR STILL wants Miscellaneous Flavor Paste! 01:18:41 Your Device features include: 01:18:41 Digital counter starting at 999,999,999 01:18:42 Patented random ticking mechanism 01:18:44 High quality audio Chinese Anthem on infinite loop 01:18:46 Video projector of our great and illustrious Chinese leaders 01:18:48 Antenna 01:18:50 Heat generator 01:18:52 Sharp edges honed from Chinese sword master 01:18:54 Red blinking lights, randomly accompanied by loud siren noise 01:18:56 Requires 12 AA batteries, 4 D batteries, 7 AAA batteries. 01:19:05 err okay 01:19:13 * GregorR STILL wants Miscellaneous Flavor Paste! <-- link 01:19:18 AnMaster: Did you know it's fish time? 01:19:32 AnMaster: http://www.yuwanmei.com/products#8 01:19:34 ↑ flavor paste 01:19:35 ehird, isn't it a bit dark for that (at least here) 01:19:54 I assumed that was a typo for "fishing" 01:19:55 AnMaster: http://store.theonion.com/yu-wan-mei-miscellaneous-tasty-paste-p-1020.html 01:19:57 AnMaster: No. ROBUSTNESS IS UNAVOIDABLE with Yu Wan Mei fish products. 01:20:08 http://www.theonion.com/content/news/american_consumer_masses_agree_it 01:20:12 The American Consumer Masses agree. 01:20:17 Hooray for Yu Wan Mei! 01:20:33 err whatever 01:20:42 pikhq: I would not 01:20:44 I don't think this will make more sense when I wake up 01:20:50 but now I'm going to bed anyway 01:20:55 AnMaster: No, you must read it! 01:20:55 have fun 01:21:01 AnMaster will wake up covered in Miscellaneous Tasty Paste. 01:21:05 And then he will go ":/" 01:21:07 AnMaster: It is from the reputable newspaper the Onion, a subsidiary of Yu Wan Me corporation! 01:21:10 *Mei 01:21:13 coppro: Not what? 01:21:22 like to see a polysynthetic programming language 01:21:28 ... 01:21:33 Why are you telling me that? 01:21:37 polygamous programming language! 01:21:44 maybe he failed 01:21:47 oh wait, that was augur 01:21:52 augour: I would not 01:22:27 coppro: why not? :( 01:22:37 Augy. 01:22:45 I don't like polysynthetic languages to start with 01:23:00 coppro: too esoteric? :D 01:23:11 01:20 neptunepink: coi 01:23:12 01:21 Xiin: coi 01:23:13 #lojban are very coy. 01:23:16 augur: no, just annoying 01:23:29 Hmm, there're my British organisation-is-a-group leanings showing up. 01:23:32 coppro: why annoying? :| 01:23:35 *is-its-member 01:23:36 s 01:23:38 I like words, thanks 01:23:40 * Sgeo downloads Interstella 5555 01:23:48 coppro, polysynthetic languages have words! 01:23:48 Sgeo: it sucks 01:23:52 just bigger ones. 01:24:00 no, they have /word/ :P 01:24:14 no they have words 01:24:20 Sgeo: It's awesome. Ehird is incapable of music appreciation. 01:24:22 often you only need one or two 01:24:23 but 01:24:31 pikhq: I like Daft Punk. 01:24:34 I do not like the film. 01:24:42 (No, I really like Daft Punk.) 01:24:53 s/music/anime/ 01:25:27 Well gee, clearly a few half-assed music videos pieced together is the standard on which all anime is based on. 01:25:30 There is absolutely no situation in which " s/music/anime/" makes sense :P 01:25:33 I apologise profusely. 01:25:47 tbh, the only anime I've ever watched was Death Note 01:25:55 ehird: ... 01:25:57 Sgeo: ... 01:26:09 #esoteric: ... 01:26:17 Ehird shows massive misunderstanding. 01:26:22 Sgeo, that's just sad. 01:26:23 -!- ehird has set topic: ... http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 01:26:27 pikhq: "ehird", please. 01:26:37 Elliot, then. 01:26:38 EHird 01:26:42 pikhq: 01:26:45 "Elliott". 01:27:07 SGeo 01:27:10 Fine, fine. Ellɨoṫṫ. 01:27:21 Hurf durf. 01:27:27 Crossing is and dotting ts etc. 01:27:37 ëëlliööt 01:27:44 * Sgeo would capitalize pikhq similarly, but doesn't see any portions of eir real name in their 01:27:46 there 01:27:47 There should be a jewnicode chracter for "etc.". 01:27:59 "jewnicode"? 01:28:06 Jewish Unicode 01:28:08 Sgeo: My real name is Josiah Worcester. 01:28:13 No real name within. 01:28:16 Sgeo: His name is Phil Iklïx Huqiäa. 01:28:26 My mother's maiden name is Wertheimer ... 01:28:31 → Phil IKlïx HuQiäa. 01:28:36 → pikhq. 01:29:04 ehird: Incorrect. 01:29:18 Shush, I just wanted an excuse to make up some nice words. 01:29:24 My name uses every phoneme. 01:29:33 Iklïx is pronounced "ihcleech", I think. 01:29:35 ch as in Bach. 01:29:56 "Bach" as in bachelor 01:30:09 pikhq: everyone phoneme of what language 01:30:21 Huqiäa is, I think, "huckuiuah". 01:30:26 But the "ck" is softer. 01:30:33 also, 01:30:35 Huqiäa is, I think, "huckuiooah". 01:30:38 meant u as in oo 01:30:45 augur: ALL OF THEME. 01:30:48 augur: amirite about both of them? 01:30:53 Very hard to pronounce. :P 01:30:57 pikhq: :o 01:31:07 did you know that phonemes are purely abstract concepts? 01:31:13 pikhq: Worcester is easy for those who have had worcester source :P 01:31:13 Yes. 01:31:19 and its not possible to say that two languages have the same phoneme? 01:31:21 ehird: Not for USians. 01:31:26 orly 01:31:30 augur: Yes. 01:31:35 why 01:31:54 ehird: It's commonly pronounced worchester sauce. 01:31:56 Yes. 01:32:01 well i used to do that yeah 01:32:02 Facepalms all around. 01:32:04 pikhq what 01:32:14 its not worchester or even worcester sauce 01:32:18 Yes, Disk Usage Analyzer, /host is taking up 100% of the space in /host 01:32:20 its worcestershire sauce. 01:32:21 augur: I know. 01:32:28 I know. 01:32:44 and its pronounced /wUstIS@r/ :| 01:32:59 And yes, I know that. 01:33:03 :| 01:33:10 pikhq: http://filebin.ca/equugx/pickheadquarters.ogg Easy to pronounce. :P 01:33:13 Disk Usage Analyzer 01:33:14 er 01:33:15 oops 01:33:28 ehird: XD 01:33:33 wat 01:33:37 [pixq] isnt hard to pronounce :o 01:33:46 augur: 01:34:02 01:29 ehird: Iklïx is pronounced "ihcleech", I think. 01:34:02 01:29 ehird: ch as in Bach. 01:34:03 01:30 ehird: Huqiäa is, I think, "huckuiooah". 01:34:05 01:30 ehird: But the "ck" is softer. 01:34:07 amirite? 01:34:10 Peek-eich-queue. Pronounced similarly to "Pikachu". 01:34:14 ... I was 8 at the time. 01:34:18 i dont know what that means, ehird 01:34:25 augur: don't know what means 01:34:43 "ihcleech" and so forth. 01:34:44 :) 01:34:58 i'll try to record 01:36:10 augur: if you cross-reference this with my hooked-on-phonics-esque descriptions, you should be able to get an idea of what I mean: 01:36:13 http://filebin.ca/kycrxx/dsfdf.ogg 01:36:34 just wondering how the hell you pronounce Phil Iklïx Huqiäa :D 01:38:14 ehird 01:39:07 augur 01:39:14 that sounded a lot like [Iqlix xujuV] [ɪqlix xujuÊŒ] 01:39:33 i don't even know what that means, i'm just trying to figure out how you pronounce Iklïx Huqiäa 01:39:45 where x is Bach-ch and ¨ is umlaut 01:40:06 x is indeed german ch digraph 01:40:07 augur: why isn't it just a k? 01:40:20 but umlaut by itself is kind of senseless 01:40:25 oklopol: it just sounded like q, thats all. 01:40:35 hmm, what's q? :P 01:40:37 it could be k. 01:40:40 augur: well ï is ee, I think, and I think ä is oo 01:40:42 q is uvular, k is velar. 01:40:47 but whatever 01:40:51 just pronounce Phil Iklïx Huqiäa! 01:41:01 i'll look those up 01:41:04 i dont know how to pronounce it because i dont know what orthography! 01:41:04 now I'm lost 01:41:15 augur: whatever feels right! 01:41:21 "Bob". 01:41:24 mostly english i guess 01:41:33 with the exception of the umlauted letters and the x 01:41:35 oh and the q 01:41:36 :-P 01:41:42 augur: okay i agree 01:42:05 i'm sure you're interested in my professional opinion 01:42:20 btw 01:42:23 oklopol: you should become a professional professional 01:42:33 your only purpose is to mention you're a professional and thus dispense professional advice/opinions/etc 01:42:44 today im going to be writing the part of my Grammar tutorials thats on Categorial Grammar 01:42:53 what part is that? 01:43:01 if it's not 2, then you haven't kept me updated 01:43:03 which is probably the kind thats most akin to lambda calculus youll get 01:43:10 its part 9 i think :P 01:43:12 then again i've been offline, so i'll forgive you 01:43:22 right, link when you have the times 01:43:24 *time 01:43:28 wellnowwhat.net/blog 01:43:46 well not now! 01:43:47 I'll blog you you faggot 01:43:51 i'm not even dressed. 01:43:55 slereah: please dont. 01:43:59 oklopol: even better :D 01:44:04 pics plz :D 01:44:16 hm. if pikhq is pikhq, maybe i could be pikplz :o 01:44:21 ugh. but i'm dirty. 01:44:22 augur: pronounce you bitch :| 01:44:26 dont know how 01:44:31 i should probably go to sleep. 01:44:32 oklopol: so? >3 01:44:40 dirty boys are sexy boys 01:44:43 "pikplz" is pronounced akin to "pickles" 01:44:52 GregorR: :D 01:44:52 big balls 01:44:54 maybe pikpzl 01:45:10 am i always this gay? 01:45:17 brbrbrb 01:45:25 oklopol: You should be? :P 01:45:31 seriously, i've always thought of myself as a rather asexual being. 01:45:49 well 01:45:53 except for all that porno! 01:46:03 that's not a quote 01:46:08 NORLY!? :P 01:46:16 but thanks for reminding me 01:46:22 have to put my dl's back on 01:46:43 oklopol: Lame. 01:46:52 what is lame? 01:47:00 downloading? :D 01:47:03 Go for pansexual. 01:47:22 well asexual was irony for pansexual 01:47:37 \m/ 01:47:49 pikhq: "Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender. Unlike pansexuality, it does not specifically include people who fall outside the gender binary. " 01:47:51 that's stoopid 01:47:53 brb building my blackboard 01:47:58 nobody means bisexual to mean "ONLY male or ONLY female" 01:48:01 s/ "/"/ 01:48:47 you can't like both genders, but consider anything between sick and wrong? 01:48:47 "bisexual" is "pansexual", but a term people actually know. 01:49:03 Hahah. 01:49:05 i thought pansexual was like, you can have sex with a potato 01:49:20 oklopol: Anybody CAN have sex with a potato. 01:49:22 No, sex with a pan. 01:49:23 oklopol: That would be phytophilia. 01:49:26 i mean get aroused by it 01:49:26 Pan-sexual. 01:49:28 Simple. 01:49:30 Anyway, I'm going to become an "actual" bisexual to piss off people who say "pansexual". 01:49:36 oklopol: But no, the phrase for that is "Idaho native" 01:49:36 If you're the most manly man ever, <3. 01:49:37 If you 01:49:41 're the most girl girl ever, <3. 01:49:46 If you're anything in-between — 01:49:48 that means all of you — 01:49:53 I hate you with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. 01:49:57 * pikhq gives ehird a transgender surgery 01:50:07 pikhq: What? 01:50:08 potato was just an example, in case you didn't realize that, 01:50:12 Sexuality isn't linked to gender. 01:50:13 you probably didn't. 01:50:14 pikhq: Note: Most people are not sexually attracted to themselves :P 01:50:34 i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. 01:50:46 `addquote i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. 01:50:47 48| i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. 01:50:50 GregorR: That's autophilia. 01:50:53 oklopol: Done. 01:50:59 autophilia? 01:51:06 isn't that about liking yourself 01:51:08 oklopol: Sex with cars. 01:51:11 Autophilia is liking— 01:51:13 yeah. 01:51:16 :P 01:51:22 ... 01:51:23 Metrosexuality is sex with buses. 01:51:23 http://sexwithcars.org/ is an actual forum with real people who think that. 01:51:38 pikhq: out of a plank != out of yourself 01:51:41 XD 01:51:41 Oh, and the ever famous: http://blackroses.textfiles.com/sex/sex-cars.faq 01:51:48 Dekhy Dragon's Guide to Sex with Cars (for males)! 01:51:50 *Dekhyr 01:51:57 ehird: O.O' 01:51:59 getting an erection out of looking into the mirror is physically *much* easier 01:52:04 `google "dolphinsex.org" 01:52:04 DAMMIT INTERNET. 01:52:04 (Includes a section on how to have two people fucking the car at the same time.) 01:52:05 www.dolphinsex.org/ - [14]Cached - [15]Similar \ 2. [16]No Loitering: Dolphin Sex Lives 01:52:10 not that either is what i'd normally enjoy on a sunday evening. 01:52:13 Just go around asking people whether they fuck cars! 01:52:14 Oh, it's back up at its original domain? :P 01:52:17 GregorR: Old 01:52:26 also, squatted 01:52:29 :( 01:52:35 My google history: sexwithcars, dekhyr's guide to fucking cars, sex with dolphins 01:52:38 The FBI looooooves me. 01:52:42 there was this doc about a guy who fucked cars 01:52:43 X-D 01:53:01 http://www.geocities.com/karnautrahl/ ↠Sex With Cars 2: Electric Boogaloo; from the guy who brought you the forum sexwithcars.org. 01:53:08 Best part: http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlover/1873405308/ 01:53:12 A picture of a dragon fucking a car. 01:53:20 I mean why not, right 01:53:21 ? 01:53:27 Okay, so I'm going to have to listen to Five Iron Frenzy 2: Electric Boogaloo after this. 01:53:37 (note: not actually their second album) 01:53:38 (I just keep all these links around for when I wanna gross people out.) 01:53:57 ehird : The original picture is better 01:53:59 (also-note: yes, that is the album's name) 01:54:05 Slereah: which 01:54:42 I think it's from that series of pictures that furryguy did 01:54:53 The engine was running still and I could feel the vibrations running through as if she was panting in heat. In heat for me Her rear end was slightly lower than normal-her wheels had sunk up to the hubcaps. Now I did not need to stand on tip toe to screw her tailpipe- she wanted me that much that she had lowered it down for me. I had to bend my knees slightly to reach though. First I knelt down and gently smelt her pipes while the engine was running-she s 01:54:55 melled hot-I had to be carefull here though I enjoyed the smell and taste of her engine as well but I could not sit here forever enjoying her horny musk. The bodywork was giving off a delicous aroma of hot, wet and muddy metal and rubber. I was intoxicated by her miasma. I could not wait much longer- I had to have her. The new tailpipes were specially shaped so that I could screw her as hard and as fast as I wanted to without worrying about cuts and abra 01:55:00 sions. They were smooth inside and as specified were just slightly small. I lubricated myself on with a little saliva that was all. I inserted the head of my penis into the entry to her tailpipe-I could feel the warm exhaust gases pushing against my cock. She had four to choose from so there was no real danger of excessive pressure. I kissed her slowly as I pushed into her against some resistance. 01:55:05 — http://www.geocities.com/karnautrahl/Katie.html 01:55:07 There's really no word. 01:55:09 words. 01:55:14 DAMMIT INTERNET 01:55:33 Ooooh, the car is all dirty 01:55:37 I like a dirty car 01:55:42 The forums were fucking crazy when they were public; those guys seem to actually think that the car wants sex and "consents" to it. 01:56:01 One of Ford's main design goals for the Model T was fuckability and horniness! 01:56:04 What do you think the horn's for? 01:56:12 For horniness 01:56:13 Honk honk. 01:56:30 ... 01:56:37 I ... 01:56:39 ... 01:56:46 I AM SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO HUMANS. 01:56:48 [[Technically speaking it's not a man who has sex with cars. As I'm one such I know my subject. An autophile is in love with him or herself sexually. So I'm stuffed for a good word to use (apart from the often heard, insane, crazy, etc). The only alternative I've heard is automobiliphilia. Quite a mouthful, more than the gearknob of a Jaguar XJ8 so probably won't be popular.]] 01:57:00 — Karnautrahl, the author of that Katie thing. 01:57:05 Is it just me, 01:57:06 GregorR: HOMOPHILE! 01:57:14 or is he implying he fellates gearknobs? 01:57:19 ehird: Very strongly. 01:57:23 ehird: And quite bluntly. 01:57:26 KILL ME NOW 01:57:58 if you think it's a human, it's not that weird 01:58:01 just gay 01:58:05 they don' 01:58:06 t 01:58:15 oklopol: If you think it's a human, that's weird :P 01:58:21 if you think it's a car, then yes, might be kinda hard to like it 01:58:22 Also that. 01:58:24 for most 01:58:33 The gearsticks are permanently "hard". ;-) 01:58:44 Now, are there any compuphiles? 01:58:56 there was a doc about one 01:59:05 o.O' 01:59:06 `google sex with computers 01:59:08 What Sex Are Computers? A language instructor was explaining to her class that in French, nouns unlike their English counterparts, are grammatically ... \ jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/9791.htm - [15]Cached - [16]Similar 01:59:13 http://videogum.com/archives/trailer/control-alt-delete-the_022701.html 01:59:13 I had to ask. 01:59:14 Bah 01:59:17 Control Alt Delete, a "technosexual comedy" about a programmer so stressed out about fixing the Y2K bug that he starts having sex with computers, premiered at the Toronto Film Festival last week and got a distributor. While the "computer rape accusation" scene is humorous, I'm not sure this is going to be the next Office Space: 01:59:18 pikhq: dude had a relationship with a dude via computer, after relationship ended, he just continued with his laptop 01:59:33 oklopol: ... 01:59:40 i used to watch a lot of these 01:59:53 * ehird watches the trailer 02:00:04 WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE. COULD WE AT LEAST AGREE ON WHAT SPECIES TO HAVE SEX WITH. 02:00:35 pikhq: First you have to get everybody to agree with having sex with /living things/. Or at leas organic things? 02:00:40 haha is he actually going to fuck the computer 02:00:44 i think he is 02:00:47 GregorR: Good point. 02:01:19 This is so wtf. 02:01:20 balloons aren't alive, and they are very popular 02:01:21 Guys, click my link 02:01:26 He fucks computers. Like, really. 02:01:32 as are shoes, but that's about humans mostly. 02:01:35 ehird: THIS IS WHY I AM NOT CLICKING YOUR LINK 02:01:47 GregorR: It's just a trailer, it's SFW (it only has human porn) :-P 02:02:03 wow 02:02:05 he fucked a datacenter 02:02:08 that's some hardcore shit 02:02:23 ...then the world explodes 02:02:47 Well, now I'm traumatised for life. 02:02:48 hooray. 02:02:54 *Hooray. 02:05:13 computers are complex things, shouldn't be hard to get off to them 02:05:25 sex with fans (the spinning kind) 02:05:28 note: this only works once 02:05:39 also easy to develop accidentally, as many masturbate in front of them day after day anyway 02:05:56 steve jobs prolly tells his designers to make macs look sexual 02:06:02 but seriously i think i'm a bit too tired 02:06:08 :< 02:06:13 well macs have very female forms 02:06:20 they're curvy wurvy 02:06:50 hehehehehehehehe 02:06:56 http://images.apple.com/macpro/images/overview_hero1_20090309.png 02:07:02 the holes are sized specifically to fit Jobs' penis 02:07:06 it's that tiny 02:07:31 Sometimes he masturbates it, instead: http://images.apple.com/macpro/images/overview_hero2_20090303.png 02:08:16 Ah, found a bit 02:08:19 http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/3d/Dragonsandcars01_top.jpg 02:08:31 haha awesome 02:08:54 that's a very animal-looking penis 02:09:02 i would've expected a dragon to have a human penis 02:09:08 wat 02:09:21 dunno, maybe it's just me 02:09:46 i mean in a comic 02:09:52 not an actual dragon of course 02:10:06 those naturally have animal penises 02:10:56 food is probably a good substitute for sleep -> 02:12:43 No. Only caffeine. 02:13:37 caffeine seems to make me sleepy at first, the only thing it does nowadays is make it harder to actually fall asleep 02:13:46 anyway 02:13:50 should it make you sleepy at first? 02:13:59 kinda 02:14:10 i mean often after i drink a few cups, i'm ready for a nap. 02:16:03 I get that too. As if the body is trying to over-compensate before the caffeine starts to have it's full effect. 02:16:45 maybe. or just as maybe that makes no sense physiologically. 02:18:20 i've always thought that pure liquid coffee would be awesome 02:18:35 I just remembered a quote: "Sleep is not a good substitute for Caffeine" 02:18:59 to emulate it at drinkable temperatures, just grind the beans to shit, add the minimum water possible and use a heavy-duty mix/stir thingy every single speck of bean 02:19:09 voila! actual coffee 02:19:33 or just melt it! 02:19:50 oklopol: but that is too hot to drink without burning yourself to shit 02:19:58 i mean of course melting is one path to it, but you have to put a lil water in there after 02:20:19 the important thing is to avoid actual solid specks of bean 02:20:22 maybe it's served in small pressure 02:20:25 and gloopiness 02:20:32 err low 02:20:33 you want it to be an actual liquid drink 02:20:52 just made of as much coffee as possible, with the only other ingredient being a tiny amount of (filtered) water 02:21:14 Press the beans so hard they emit their juices. 02:21:28 hmm isn't the shell kinda part of it too? 02:22:19 MizardX: also wouldn't 100% bean juice be kind of dangerous? 02:22:42 if not, then squirt all the juices out, then absolutely pulverize the shells into as fine a grain as possible; get tiny bit of water, mix in, etc 02:22:47 then pour into the juice 02:22:54 voila! as pure as coffee as possible 02:24:34 ehird is a coffee supremacist 02:25:27 my blackboard is almost complete! 02:25:27 anyone know if it'd be safe? anyone know if the shells are useful? 02:25:33 also, pure liquid coffee might be pretty good 02:25:37 augur: are we talking a regular blackboard thing 02:25:39 coffee beans are pretty tasty 02:25:47 ehird: im building an a-frame blackboard 02:25:57 augur: so it's safe then 02:26:02 why wouldnt it be 02:26:09 too much caffeine? 02:26:20 depends on how much you drank 02:26:50 plus, all the extra material from the coffee bean buffers the caffeine 02:26:51 so anyway, squirt the juices out (hurr hurr penis), grind the shells to as fine a grain as possible, mix in as small an amount at a time as possible into as little filtered water as possible, using a good mixer/stirrer at each step 02:27:04 pour the water/shell mix into the juice 02:27:21 run your mixer/stirrer on it for a bit 02:27:23 heating it up is left as an exercise to the reader 02:27:27 ehird, is this your plan for liquid coffee bean? 02:27:44 augur: just as pure as coffee as possible while still having all the flavor 02:27:58 espresso is pretty close, you know. 02:28:08 not nearly close enough 02:28:12 ehh 02:28:14 it pretty is 02:28:18 ive eaten coffee beans 02:28:21 too much water 02:28:29 :P 02:28:31 well 02:28:33 ehird: it's still a deadly drink 02:28:35 to compensate for not having awesome mixing powers 02:28:39 heres an alternative 02:28:42 oklopol: um espresso isn't very deadly 02:28:54 i make coffee that often leaves lots of sediment in my cup 02:29:09 ill scoop the sediment out, pack it all together for you, and ship it off! 02:29:15 point is, espresso has too much wate 02:29:16 r 02:29:22 and by sediment i mean like silt-y fine stuff 02:29:29 ehird: probably not 02:29:34 with our way, you just have enough water to hold the extremely fine ground bits of bean 02:29:37 anyway, you could probably do it, ehird, but itd taste like espresso 02:29:37 with a lot of mixing 02:29:38 in the short term 02:29:39 which is not a lot 02:29:46 augur: no, the silt stuff will be kinda gloopy or whatever 02:29:52 so will your muck! 02:29:54 ehird: Why not just eat straight coffee beans? 02:29:54 i want something that's a bona-fide liquid drink 02:29:59 pikhq: it's not hot liquid 02:30:08 augur: it's not muck, and it involves liqui 02:30:09 d 02:30:11 just a small amount 02:30:13 yes but 02:30:16 ground up coffee bean 02:30:17 also, that mixer/stirrer has to be excellent 02:30:20 will clump 02:30:23 i mean, run it really fast and long 02:30:25 and settle 02:30:34 augur: okay, i didn't state my process properly 02:30:36 very quickly, infact. 02:30:39 lemme write a paste-sized version 02:30:54 what you, COULD do is like 02:31:02 make lots of really strong coffee 02:31:06 extract all the flavor you can 02:31:14 then distill it until heres hardly any water 02:31:24 but not add any powderized bean 02:31:40 thats a better option. the bean is mostly starch and fiber anyway. 02:32:51 Say, I was wondering: would anyone happen to know of where I may find a copy of Donald Knuth's "Things a Computer Scientist Rarely Talks About" lecture series? It was hosted on Dr. Dobb's site, but is no longer... 02:33:28 augur: so the bean doesn't really have any flavor then? 02:33:36 otoh it actually improves mine 02:33:45 because it lets you make it less gloopy with a little bit of water 02:33:46 And yes, I am t3h googling. 02:33:49 while still having coffee shit in it 02:33:55 augur: http://pastie.org/557205.txt?key=1wmaucsdzjdko9jjm34dua full process 02:35:34 It would appear to have gone to the bit bucket. 02:35:44 augur: No? 02:35:51 pikhq: http://www.amazon.com/Things-Computer-Scientist-Language-Information/dp/157586326X 02:36:03 isn't it just his christian blab 02:36:12 ehird: Dr. Dobbs once upon a time had the video lectures. 02:36:16 "3:16: Bible Texts Illuminated (1990), in which he examined the Bible by analyzing the third chapter and 16th verse of each book. In each lecture, Knuth explores various aspects of that project, such as the ways that the random selection of "3:16" functions as a method for understanding the overall thematic threads of biblical meaning and exposes the intersections of faith and computer science." 02:36:18 yuppers 02:36:26 numerology + christianity = hyuk hyuk hyuk 02:36:37 pikhq: ah — [[In addition, since this book is simply a transcription of Knuth's lectures, it is recommended only for large academic libraries.]] 02:36:58 ehird: I'm intrigued is all. 02:37:08 And only the dead-tree is still around. 02:37:08 /shrug 02:37:36 Ah well. 02:42:36 Y'know, I am increasingly convinced that new versions of Perl are designed by hitting a keyboard and trying to make the resulting line noise parse. 02:46:56 Wow, it took you ages to arrive at a tedious, decades-old joke. 02:47:10 Perl 5.10, in case you didn't realise, modernised the language and added a lot of clean features. 02:47:23 You've not seen Perl 6 much. 02:47:24 :P 02:47:34 pikhq: ever looked at the obfuscated c contest? 02:47:40 "I can do that, too!" 02:47:53 I don't defend C. 02:47:54 i agree that perl 6 sucks though 02:47:57 (... any more. :P) 02:47:58 kitchen sinkus maximus 02:48:01 pikhq: Haskell, too. 02:48:08 http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Obfuscation 02:48:57 ehird: ... That is scary. 02:49:18 I don't (???????) what you (??????). 02:49:23 ??????? 02:49:33 ???? tail 02:49:37 I like that 02:49:53 Furry confusion 02:52:27 * Sgeo finishes watching Interstella 5555 02:53:03 it sucked 02:54:11 ehird 02:54:11 sorry 02:54:16 i was busy making coffee :p 02:54:45 I liked it, but it was difficult to follow at first 02:55:09 augur: so, your comments. 02:55:27 my comments are you should mix it again after heating incase of settling. 02:55:28 but 02:55:31 the beans are worthless 02:56:20 essentially what you want to do, ehird, is make instant coffee thats really sludgey, since thats the purest kind of coffee you can get, except instant coffee itself is fucking disgusting, so you'd have to distill the coffee yourself 02:56:43 what's instant coffee? 02:56:46 augur: no, no, the bean shell is there for a reason 02:56:49 why? 02:57:02 augur: we have to add some water, otherwise we just have the plain juice, which will be too thick 02:57:03 but 02:57:09 just adding water would be too watery 02:57:11 oklopol: dessicated coffee that you just need to add water to to get coffee 02:57:12 and not pure coffee enough 02:57:17 ehird: plain juice? 02:57:21 augur: so we add the beans in, to make the water more coffey-y 02:57:22 augur: sigh 02:57:23 read my paste 02:57:25 read it carefully 02:57:29 i know but what is this "juice" 02:57:35 augur: not always bad 02:57:37 read my paste 02:57:40 ehird: I DID 02:57:41 it specifically says what it is 02:57:59 hmm, probably because most instant coffees aren't just coffee 02:58:07 you squeeze the "juice" out of the beans 02:58:09 they're tasty sugary vanilla coffee 02:58:11 or something 02:58:16 the juice is "what you squeezed out of the beens" 02:58:16 augur: so it's fuzzy language 02:58:17 sue me 02:58:20 but what is that juice 02:58:23 i dont know what this is 02:58:26 [[02:21 MizardX: Press the beans so hard they emit their juices.]] just sparked my interest :) 02:58:32 roasted beans have no "juice" 02:58:37 augur: just pummel the beans until they're flat shells 02:58:39 that's all 02:59:04 ehird theres no real point to that 02:59:12 yes there is, it's my method 03:00:58 no no ehird 03:01:17 you a) cant extract "juice" out of dry beans, because there is no juice in beans 03:01:21 i know that 03:01:21 jeez 03:01:28 it's vague because i'm lazy 03:01:30 then what the hell did you say you could for! 03:01:31 i am a lazy perosn 03:01:32 anyway 03:01:33 person 03:01:35 what you really should do 03:01:43 is grind your beens up REALLY finely 03:01:56 maybe not TOO finely but pretty finely 03:02:08 that's the shell portion 03:02:15 and make espresso, which will extract a lot of the flavor 03:02:26 no 03:02:29 fuck espresso 03:02:31 it has way too much wate 03:02:32 then you boil off the water until you've gotten very little left 03:02:32 r 03:02:37 let's assume we're in ethopia 03:02:45 we have like less than one glass of water 03:02:45 and you have just essentially pure coffee 03:03:04 ehird, you CANT grind up the beans to a powder and add water to that 03:03:06 it wont work 03:03:31 if i had a teleporter i'd prove it to you right now 03:03:33 the beans have too much non-coffee stuff in them, the powder will just form a sediment and wont add flavor 03:04:03 like i said, you want to make strong coffee and then concentrate that because then you have JUST the stuff that makes coffee coffee 03:06:57 especially because once you've added water to the sediment that you're making, the sediment itself will mostly not even HAVE any flavor to it 03:07:09 augur: it doesn't need to add flavor 03:07:15 it just needs to make it less gloopy 03:07:19 what 03:07:22 i just add in the shells to make it less watery 03:07:28 i get that 03:07:38 it's more coffeey therefore it wins 03:07:41 but youd get the same thing by distilling off the water from pure coffee 03:07:47 meh 03:07:48 do so then! 03:07:51 report back with pictures. 03:07:56 having the sediment detracts from the pure coffee, actually 03:08:04 because its volume but no coffee flavor 03:08:34 augur: but that's because just pure coffee will be too gloopy 03:08:37 water would do the same 03:08:39 what we really might want to do is figure out how to extract the essential oils of coffee 03:08:45 but the shells are just... coffee-feelin 03:08:45 g 03:08:46 hmm 03:08:49 doing that wouldn't really be coffee 03:08:55 sure it would! 03:08:56 you might as well synthesize caffeine + flavours 03:09:04 the essential oils are what makes coffee coffee 03:09:07 instead of just hot water! 03:09:29 kay :P 03:09:43 we'd have to have some sort of fractional distillation process i guess. or we could try to let the oils separate off 03:09:56 i often have coffee that has clear films of coffee oils on the surface 03:09:58 it's funny, i don't even like coffee all that much 03:10:00 nor tea 03:10:04 i imagine that letting it sit would let it separate even more 03:10:07 this dude used to put caffeine pills in his coffee 03:10:08 but it interests me to play around with them 03:10:12 augur: heh 03:10:18 we should start a coffee lab 03:10:22 we should! :o 03:10:25 where we have a bunch of expensive heavy-duty equipment 03:10:29 and just make coffee with it 03:10:33 ehird have you seen that coffee making thingy 03:10:36 like, we can have it as a café 03:10:39 that looks like a piece of lab equipment? 03:10:40 with a really fucking huge behind-store 03:10:45 augur: that $11,000 thing? 03:10:47 yeah. 03:10:50 maybe 03:10:51 dunno 03:10:52 starbucks made it, or at least own it now 03:10:59 pics? 03:11:04 augur: Clover 03:11:09 ? 03:11:13 sec 03:11:16 augur: http://www.slate.com/id/2185655/ 03:11:28 http://www.starbucks.com/clover/ 03:11:29 no no not that 03:11:35 hmm 03:11:36 no then 03:11:40 thats just a fancy espresso machine 03:11:41 augur: anyway I'm thinking more like really big stuff 03:11:48 like, the size of a big desk 03:11:57 totally filled with machinery 03:12:01 and that's just one phase! 03:12:34 augur: i wonder if we could get a government grant to find out a way to make coffee by pummeling it with lasers 03:12:38 get beans 03:12:39 get water 03:12:42 maybe :o 03:12:51 simultaneously evaporate the plate between them and shoot tons of high-powered lasers at it 03:12:55 drink 03:12:55 it depends on whether or not torchwood would be involved 03:13:01 im sure ianto might have a way :o 03:13:40 i wonder if you can buy a machine where it lifts up an object 03:13:45 yes 03:13:48 and has two really heavy metal plates at either side 03:13:48 its called a forklift. 03:13:49 and then 03:13:53 it slams them together at the object 03:13:55 at really high speed 03:13:58 with tons of force 03:14:04 just call it the DECIMATOR 03:14:08 hahaha 03:14:09 ehird 03:14:15 the thing i was thinking about isnt 11k 03:14:17 its 20k x3 03:14:21 :D 03:14:23 link 03:14:25 * Sgeo wishes PortableApps worked as-is on Linux 03:14:27 http://coffeegeek.com/guides/siphoncoffee 03:14:43 So I could use the apps no matter the OS (well, not OS X >.>) 03:15:02 But I only use Linux and Windows 03:15:06 augur: anyway there's clearly only one good way to make true pure coffee 03:15:12 get your coffee beans 03:15:14 heat them until they melt 03:15:18 GET? 03:15:21 mix them madly to soften them 03:15:21 whats this get 03:15:23 *GROW 03:15:27 whatever 03:15:29 i'll start again 03:15:30 seriously 03:15:32 grow your coffee beans 03:15:36 (put them next to your weed) 03:15:39 heat them until they melt 03:15:40 some coffee geeks grow their own beans 03:15:42 and roast them too 03:15:43 (no, not the weed, the coffee) 03:15:51 augur: let's skip roasting 03:15:55 let's go straight to melting 03:15:57 :D 03:15:58 nah you have to roast them 03:16:02 bah fine 03:16:03 roast them 03:16:03 otherwise it doesnt taste like coffee 03:16:05 heat them until they melt 03:16:09 it tastes bitter 03:16:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3JcOndpcGU 03:16:16 mix them wildly to get it thinner 03:16:20 and then 03:16:21 somehow 03:16:22 keep it melted 03:16:28 i wonder what kinda temperature you need to melt coffee beans 03:16:30 probably tons 03:16:41 cant be done, actually. 03:16:45 billions 03:16:47 whaaaaaat 03:16:51 augur why not 03:17:03 sublimation 03:17:06 the heat would cause various chemical processes to happen 03:17:12 so? 03:17:14 that would either 1) result in burning, if exposed to air 03:17:23 don't expose it to air. 03:17:25 or 2) result in carbonization if kept out of air 03:17:35 decarbonize it. :P 03:17:39 cnt 03:17:41 cant* 03:18:08 also 03:18:10 why not 03:18:10 i would point out 03:18:13 that this siphon device 03:18:17 could be easilly made 03:18:35 okay/ 03:18:35 ? 03:18:41 and isnt worth 20k. 03:18:43 that is all. 03:18:43 s/\/\n\?/?/ 03:19:15 augur: why can't we decarbonify it :P 03:19:26 because that would just make coffee beans again. 03:19:38 or coffee bean powder. 03:19:58 also, itd be impossible, but ignoring that. 03:20:08 is there a problem with it being carbonized :D 03:20:22 yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:20:37 :D 03:20:45 which also doesnt melt. 03:21:05 no, charcoal + caffeine 03:21:06 augur: so there's no way to have actual liquid coffee beans? :( 03:21:19 ehird: not without getting rid of the starch and fiber in the bean. 03:21:31 would that be an issue 03:21:41 no, it would just involve making coffee from it. 03:21:53 eh? 03:22:12 `addquote yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:22:13 49| yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:22:24 `help 03:22:24 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. 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See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 03:22:29 However, " which also doesnt melt." 03:22:31 Everything melts. 03:22:39 when you make coffee, all you're using is using water to make the non-starch non-fiber stuff move out of the starch and fiber 03:22:47 gregorr: no. not everything. 03:22:54 `revert 125 03:22:54 Done. 03:22:56 is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:23:01 `addquote is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:23:02 49| is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 03:23:27 augur: You're telling me there are materials that are a solid at 12 quadrillion degrees :P 03:23:33 no 03:23:53 GregorR: wouldn't they be gas or plasma 03:23:54 im telling you there are materials that go straight from solid to gas or plasma at 12 quadrillion degrees. 03:23:59 OMFG 03:24:02 plasma coffee 03:24:03 discuss 03:24:07 no 03:24:10 why not 03:24:12 its not possible. 03:24:19 WHY NOT 03:24:22 ehird: In plasma form, it wouldn't be coffee, it would just be protons, electrons and neutrons floating about. 03:24:26 shut up :P 03:24:29 if it were plasma, the nuclei would be free from the electrons 03:24:30 okay then 03:24:32 gas coffee 03:24:34 there wouldnt be molecules 03:24:34 you can smoke it 03:24:38 gass coffee, maybe. 03:24:43 ehird: Sounds ... unwise. 03:24:44 gassssssssssss 03:24:50 depends on whether or not the oils and such can vaporize. 03:24:52 GregorR: haha that made me laugh 03:24:57 i almost spit out my lemonade :\ 03:25:18 given the nature of oils in general, coffee probably cant be vaporized without burning 03:25:22 * Sgeo solves a ProjectEuler problem with one line of Python 03:25:29 or without significant chemical changes that make it not coffee 03:25:31 augur: So take it to an oxygen-free environment, yeesh 03:25:33 augur: maybe burnt coffee tastes delicious 03:25:36 have you considered that huh 03:25:38 gregorr: see above. 03:25:39 GregorR: it carbonizes 03:25:42 we've established that 03:25:44 you QUOTED that :P 03:25:47 wll no ehird 03:25:51 the coffee BEAN carbonizes 03:25:54 the oils might not 03:25:54 ehird: I quoted your MOM. 03:25:57 yeah 03:26:01 there also might be other chemicals that are relevant 03:26:02 GregorR: oh snap 03:26:11 augur: anyway, maybe burnt coffee beans are wonderful. 03:26:16 theyre not 03:26:17 in which case let's melt it with air. 03:26:19 dammit. 03:26:21 If I knew your middle name, I would go: Elliott Hird!!! 03:26:26 Because I'm sure that's something she's said. 03:26:30 GregorR: My middle name is 03:26:31 er 03:26:32 GregorR: My middle name is 03:26:34 Segmentation fault 03:26:35 ehird: Starbucks is nicknamed Charbucks by coffee snobs 03:26:36 $ 03:26:46 Hahahah, people who don't have middle names are losers. 03:27:00 (I actually corrected that to have a space at the end :-) ) 03:27:11 augur: BUT, there are people who can drink Starbucks and enjoy it 03:27:29 ehird: there are people who eat feces and enjoy it. 03:27:33 so burnt coffee beans can't be _undrinkably_ bad; perhaps with my magical MELTED COFFEE it could be acceptable 03:27:36 augur: yes but 03:27:41 it's not like eating charcoal, at least 03:27:55 i once had some Lindt 99% pure chocolate 03:28:01 it tasted and felt like eating charcoal powder. 03:28:16 D-8 03:28:19 I've eaten that! 03:28:21 It's awesome! 03:28:23 it was silty, and the silt would collect between your cheek and your gums 03:28:28 horribly bitter stuff 03:28:33 i've eaten 95% chocolate, or was it 98% 03:28:34 or 90% 03:28:40 whatever, it was nice 03:28:42 after eating the 99% pure chocolate 03:28:54 drinking tonic water was completely bearably 03:29:03 because i couldnt taste the tonic over the chocolate 03:29:08 I have had 99%, 95%, 90%, 85%, 80%, 75%, 65%, and various lower than that. I think 80% is about the point where above that it gets worse, not better. Maybe 85%. 03:29:20 Oh, and I think 72% somewhere too. 03:29:21 85% is good 03:29:25 but the 99% stuff is like 03:29:28 charcoal. 03:29:30 seriously. 03:29:40 its charcoal with a little bit of cocoa butter. 03:29:41 charcoal smells lovely 03:29:51 also 03:29:54 google celebrates comics today 03:30:05 old 03:30:06 comicon 03:30:11 oh is that it? 03:30:19 yes 03:30:56 anyway, dammit 03:31:02 i want liquid coffee beans 03:31:09 augur: even if we did get them... how on earth do you keep it liquid :D 03:31:22 very high temperatures that would make them undrinkable. 03:31:24 ("how do you keep a circle square, circle?") 03:31:28 augur: :( 03:31:35 i was hoping for like "MODIFYING THE ATOMIC STRUCTURE" 03:31:35 ehird, this is why you should just try distilling coffee 03:31:38 bah 03:31:40 i'm a purist 03:31:44 i only like absolute solutions 03:31:45 yes, and so is the coffee. 03:31:50 remember, ehird 03:31:59 the bean is nothing but a wooden carrier for coffee goodness 03:32:01 that is all. 03:32:13 a wooden football soaked in yummy coffee. 03:32:19 augur: extract all the goodness 03:32:22 melt it 03:32:25 mix it madly 03:32:26 now what 03:32:30 ehird: yes, that extraction coffee is called making coffee. 03:32:34 :-D 03:32:39 but the whole point is no water 03:32:46 yes, thats why you distill it 03:33:06 you might need a fractional still to make sure you remove just the water tho 03:33:13 because there might be chemicals with lower boiling poins 03:33:19 it's notable that i can't really drink strong coffee 03:33:24 wuss. 03:33:42 cuban coffee <3 03:33:44 i love the smells and everything 03:33:48 just not the taste 03:33:49 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf970009t 03:33:55 ehird, you'd love my coffee. 03:34:01 i have a magic recipe that goes like this 03:34:02 i want coffee that's optimised for smell 03:34:10 it invades your bloodstream via your nose. 03:34:31 augur: it does like ? 03:34:33 *goes 03:34:35 wow, that's amazing 03:34:37 personally, i . 03:34:58 coffee, cinnamon, vanilla -> french press. hot water -> french press. stir, steep, press, pour -> mostly fill cup. 3 tsp sugar -> cup. half and half -> cup. 03:35:16 that sounds ridiculously sweet 03:35:20 not really 03:35:33 cuban coffee is ridiculously sweet 03:35:37 cuban coffee is like 03:35:39 espresso 03:35:43 thats been concentrated 03:35:51 that sounds ummm bitter, not sweet 03:35:52 :P 03:35:59 its not bitter. 03:36:07 so that a tazza of espresso 03:36:11 now fills maybe a thimble 03:36:17 heh 03:36:21 then you mix that with like a tablespood of sugar 03:36:34 not a tablespoon, a tablespoo_D_ 03:36:37 yes, thats right 03:36:40 a whole tablespood. 03:36:46 augur: ship me some of your coffee at 0K so that it stays perfect 03:36:55 that might damage it. 03:36:58 also modify it so that when it stops being 0K, it instantly becomes the right temperature 03:37:00 augur: pfft nonsense 03:37:06 just transport it to a universe where everything is 0K 03:37:12 freezing can alter the chemical composition of the coffee. 03:37:22 don't freeze it 03:37:24 just place it in 0Kland 03:37:29 with a teleport 03:37:37 being at 0K might still alter the chemical composition 03:37:45 who knows what quantum superposition will do to the coffee! 03:37:45 bah 03:37:48 :D 03:37:51 quantum coffee 03:38:18 all coffee is quantum coffee. 03:38:28 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf970009t 03:38:51 all everything is quantum everything 03:38:58 exactly. 03:39:02 also 03:39:14 ive had more insights into why the universe might be running on a giant supercomputer. 03:39:26 please augur 03:39:28 stick to the coffee 03:40:35 -!- augur has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:40:47 -!- augur has joined. 03:40:56 oh ho but i am ehird 03:41:00 because if we can contact the sysadmins of the universe 03:41:07 o_o 03:41:14 they might be beneficent enough to let us hack together some liquid coffee 03:41:24 :D 03:41:28 augur, you do know that belief in a simulated universe is equivalent to a belief in god? 03:41:35 it almost is 03:41:53 except in this case, god wears t-shirts and has cheetoh stains on his shirt. 03:42:01 goes against occam's razor, assumes things that are not us are like us and merely offloads the complexity 03:42:06 (i.e., where did _they_ come from) 03:42:13 augur: hmm well that is more appealing yes 03:42:20 i figure 03:42:24 augur: ive had more insights into why the universe might be running on a giant supercomputer. <<< you believe that too? 03:42:25 if the universe IS a giant simulation 03:42:33 oklopol: congrats, you're religious 03:42:35 than /b/tards are the blessed 144 thousand 03:42:38 ehird: yes 03:42:47 then* 03:42:51 it's my new thing 03:42:54 ehird, isnt that frightening? D: 03:42:56 oklopol: lol 03:42:58 believing this is a simulation 03:43:01 augur: not really, because i don't believe it 03:43:02 slereah might be one of The Saved 03:43:02 x.x 03:43:21 it's an afterlife i can believe in 03:43:38 anyway, whether or not this is a simulation is all kind of moot until we discover otherwise. however, there might be certain things that could prove it. 03:43:47 not that i know what those are but 03:44:06 i wish there were teleports 03:44:21 so you could teleport me some coffee, i feel like some right now 03:45:10 in Cory Doctorow's true names, i think, there are some philosopher AIs 03:45:24 no no no 03:45:25 that have developed a way of calculating whether or not a reality was simulated 03:45:28 not cory doctorow 03:45:31 he is an awful writer and an obnoxious person 03:45:32 ehird: it's more a way to justify my semisoliptist views. 03:45:34 based on various logical properties that must follow 03:45:36 than an actual religion 03:45:37 oh hush, i love him. :P 03:45:39 oklopol: *solipsist 03:45:40 but the point is! 03:45:45 what did i write 03:45:45 augur: we're not friends any more 03:45:48 right 03:45:51 we were friends?? 03:46:07 there MIGHT be certain aspects of reality that necessarily entail true realness 03:46:15 while simulations might not be able to have those aspects 03:46:19 who knows! 03:46:40 anyway, wanna hear my compelling reasons for believe the universe is a simulation? XD 03:46:49 sure 03:47:01 (after that i can tell you why the clock has to have a maker) 03:47:06 ok, so i told you the other day about the whole time ordering relativity thing, right? 03:47:18 oh he's doing crap physics again 03:47:19 time to goooooooo 03:47:21 → 03:47:29 augur: let's say you did 03:47:30 ok ill do it in private then :| 04:12:56 did god talk to you 04:14:09 well clearly this is a closed system 04:14:44 i do hear voices sometimes, but that's just my head 04:15:19 i wish i heard voices. that'd be cool. not crazy voices tho 04:15:23 voices that are like 04:15:31 "mm get the panini, it looks good" 04:15:46 I hear ... my voice in my head >_> 04:15:58 ... when I talk <_< 04:16:02 all of the sudden i just got kind of weird feeling in my head D: 04:16:06 like my focus is kind of off 04:16:07 D: 04:16:19 THE SYSADMINS FROM THE METAVERSE ARE MESSING WITH ME D: 04:16:23 i get these sort of panic attacks where lots of people are whispering fast and loud in my head, i call it my programming mode 04:16:54 it's very rare, but i love it 04:16:59 (who wouldn't) 04:17:03 oklopol: ... I would consider consulting a therapist about that ... 04:17:17 :D 04:17:21 gregorr: therapists only treat you if its interfering with your life. 04:17:30 my life is pretty much perfect 04:17:36 the definition of a psychiatric illness /requires/ that it interferes with your life. 04:17:42 oklopol: My life is perfecter! :P 04:17:45 except for the fact i'm incredibly lazy when i'm not being insanely productive 04:17:48 if it doesnt interfere, psychiatrists dont care. 04:17:53 GregorR: i doubt that. 04:17:57 oklopol 04:18:04 have you been unhappy during the last say 3 years? 04:18:05 perhaps its that you're not production when you're incredibly lazy! 04:18:11 i've been maybe 5 times or so 04:18:28 I can has psychiatric illnes. 04:18:29 usually due to being tired. 04:18:35 I'm emotionally neutral at nearly all times ... 04:18:38 Me autism has. 04:18:57 pikhq: more like grammar problems. 04:19:00 I'm trying to think of a situation where I've been UNhappy recently ... 04:19:12 I also use English oddly at times, but that has little to do with psychiatric illnes. 04:19:22 Just psychiatric oddness. 04:19:27 :P 04:20:14 GregorR: well, i can't remember an exact time either 04:20:36 but yeah maybe emotionally neutral would be the most optimal way to live, i tend to be high on life 24/7 04:20:53 I'm not a particularly emotional person *shrugs* 04:20:55 like, you know, staring at trees in awe and shit 04:21:10 Closest I get is lost in music. 04:22:32 hmm. if you don't feel anything, how do you measure quality? 04:22:43 i mean i can beat you with any measure, i'm sure. 04:23:04 I didn't say I don't feel ANYTHING, I'm just not very emotional. 04:23:08 I'm content. 04:23:32 i'm content even when i'm unhappy. 04:23:34 How many free vacations to foreign countries have you been on? :P 04:23:41 because my life is perfect 04:23:47 "free"? err, none i guess. 04:24:05 If "free vacations to foreign countries" is a measure of life quality, I win on that measure :P 04:24:05 living tends to cost 04:24:24 i don't like vacations, i prefer university atm 04:24:25 Well, in each occasion I have to present a paper or something thereabout. 04:24:30 This is university :P 04:24:34 Free because Purdue pays. 04:24:50 And by "have to" I mean "get to", because I love public speaking. 04:25:00 but why would i want a free trip to a foreign country, when i could just read at home. 04:25:27 ... clearly our measurements schemes are incomparable :P 04:25:29 learning is about as good as sex, which i also have more than you 04:25:46 maybe so, let's just agree we're both perfect and get on with our lives 04:25:51 OKIDOKE! 04:26:03 Although I wonder why you make such strong assumptions about my sex life :P 04:26:12 Unless of course you're a porn star on the side, and so can reasonably make them. 04:26:35 i'm not a porn star, no 04:26:54 `addquote i'm not a porn star, no 04:26:55 50| i'm not a porn star, no 04:26:58 i rarely have sex more than once a day, tbh 04:27:00 That whole conversation was just to get that quote in the quote DB. 04:27:10 That done, I'm going to sleep. 04:27:16 :P 04:27:42 * pikhq has emotions, in honor of Gregor, who has not 04:27:52 I'm not a fekking vulcan >_< 04:27:58 :D 04:28:29 Lies and decit. 04:28:41 Deceit, even. 04:28:42 * GregorR carefully makes sure his hair covers his ears. 04:28:50 * GregorR reapplies his reddening makeup. 04:28:52 I'M NOT A VULCAN 04:30:01 for a second i was tempted to say "...the vulcan erupted", but that simply made no sense 04:36:05 yeah, vulcans have excellent emotion control 04:37:22 Is it worth it to go to PyCon? 04:40:44 Sgeo: No. Needs more hallucinogens. 05:11:45 * Sgeo looks at Jaxer 05:11:56 If it weren't for the first example, I'd say it looks quite cool 05:24:15 It's all PHPy though. Mixing business logic with display 05:24:17 Bleh 06:00:13 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:01:28 -!- coppro has joined. 06:23:58 what a great webcam recording program, it lets you upload videos to youtube and send emails, but there's no way to save a recording :D 06:31:44 AnMaster: can you play .wmv? 06:31:51 i don't know how to convert 06:33:10 recorded some piano for you, not really my top speed, but fast enough 06:36:29 trivial snippet for the right hand, http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/pianovids/pianoriff.wmv, also i'm naked but it's totally sfw. 06:36:46 sound is really bad, i had to play it slowly in the beginning so you know what i'm doing 06:38:17 wonder if the shops are open ~> 06:40:28 would've recorded something longer and more sensible as well, but i have to play pretty loud to get even that almost inexistant sound on the vid, and it's kinda early 06:40:48 also i don't really know that many songs 06:41:03 well pieces, or whatever 06:41:31 I just saw the words "naked" and "oklopol" and reflexively wgetted the link, before noticing the sfw label. 06:41:44 oh darn 06:41:55 must've been disappointed 06:42:10 you don't really see anything good 06:42:16 just my boobies 06:42:45 Yes, well, turning the camera around a bit was a nice touch, still. 06:42:53 :D 06:43:01 well i had to see the screen to know where the button is! 06:43:16 also i wasn't actually going to send that version, it's just i probably woke my neighbors already. 06:48:37 cool, it's not even that bad on 50% speed 06:49:28 except left-right sync kinda sucks, requires more concentration 06:50:19 wait 06:50:21 the shoppe 06:50:38 i need to go there i think -> 06:52:05 * Sgeo feels like he's cheating in Project Euler 06:52:17 * Sgeo isn't thinking about the math, he's just using quick Python 07:23:28 Sgeo: the rule of thumb is if it takes over a minute to solve, you're doing it wrong; whether you use math or programming doesn't matter 07:23:40 also for python, i'd increase the limit a bit 07:28:51 * Sgeo needs to go to sleep eventually 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:54:56 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 09:07:44 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:47:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 09:53:42 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:26:55 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:27:32 -!- augur has joined. 10:34:22 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:36:16 -!- augur has joined. 11:27:46 -!- fungot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:40:33 guys! 11:40:34 http://www.wellnowwhat.net/blog/?p=294 11:40:37 CG and CCG :D 11:49:33 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:50:42 Sgeo: the rule of thumb is if it takes over a minute to solve, you're doing it wrong 11:50:43 whoa 11:50:44 mega no 11:51:03 I've written my program but should it take days to get to the answer? 11:51:03 Absolutely not! Each problem has been designed according to a "one-minute rule", which means that although it may take several hours to design a successful algorithm with more difficult problems, an efficient implementation will allow a solution to be obtained on a modestly powered computer in less than one minute. 11:51:08 the program should RUN in less than one minute 11:51:10 it could take hours to write 11:59:30 ehird: chekidout 11:59:43 i did. it went over my head 11:59:48 why? how? 11:59:50 its just lambda calculus :| 12:00:06 so's your mom 12:00:15 probably! 12:00:22 why is CG too hard? :| 12:01:11 dunno 12:01:41 what about it do you find hard to understand?? 12:03:40 i just got up 12:03:45 and am tired 12:03:47 oh ok 12:03:52 * augur pets ehird 12:03:55 i havent slept yet xp 12:07:16 Come to my bed, augur 12:07:21 no. 12:07:26 I have a place for you 12:14:26 -!- nooga has joined. 12:14:58 how to match chars like óąćńę etc. using regexp? 12:15:17 by typing them into the regexp 12:15:34 if your language just does bytes, hope it's in the right encoding and get a new language 12:16:18 oh 12:16:27 i thought i could use range like a-z 12:16:38 you can if your language is unicode, nooga 12:16:42 consult its docs 12:16:47 it's ruby 12:16:53 1.8 or 1.9 12:17:43 1.9 12:18:16 nooga: you can do it 12:18:18 i tihnk 12:18:42 i guess there's no automagic thing to convert Ä…->a Ä™->e etc 12:18:47 huh =.= 12:18:56 there's a script for thta. 12:18:57 that. 12:20:19 nooga: anyway, why do you want to do that? 12:20:22 it sounds lame. 12:20:58 If you just want to match "alphabetic characters" in general, that might be possible too. I don't do ruby, but the POSIX character-class [[:alpha:]] might work there. Perl regexps have \p{IsAlpha} which does the same thing. 12:21:17 fizzie: sssssssh 12:21:22 you have to deal with encoding and everything 12:21:28 for what you match it on 12:21:30 just don't go there 12:21:41 nooga: anyway either find a script to do it or don't do it because it sounds like a bad idea 12:22:33 nooga: Anyway, you can pipe it to http://www.tablix.org/%7Eavian/blog/archives/2009/01/unicode_transliteration_in_python/ 12:23:25 uhm 12:23:30 i.e., `python -c "from unidecode import unidecode; import chardet; print unidecode(chardet.detect(sys.stdin.read())['encoding'])"` 12:23:34 did it using gsub and dictionary 12:23:44 nooga: congrats, now it only works if someone inputs UTF-8 12:23:48 if anyone uses UTF-16 it'll stay 12:23:53 also, you still haven't said WHY 12:28:51 better 12:28:52 ! 12:28:55 tr('ąćęłńóśźżĄĆĘÅŃÓŚŹŻ', 'acelnoÅ¿zzacelnoÅ¿zz') 12:29:09 nooga 12:29:10 that will 12:29:11 l 12:29:12 not 12:29:14 work 12:29:16 it 12:29:18 will 12:29:20 only 12:29:22 work 12:29:24 for 12:29:26 one 12:29:28 encoding 12:29:30 your function is _broken_ 12:29:32 for example 12:29:34 windows 12:29:36 doesn't 12:29:38 use 12:29:40 that 12:29:42 encoding 12:29:44 by 12:29:45 and ehird doesnt use spaces 12:29:46 default 12:29:55 oh, it's only srcipt for me to build some tags 12:29:56 not when i'm talking to complete fucking morons, no 12:30:11 nooga: well gee, maybe if you'd actually said that one of the three times i asked 12:30:19 hehehehe 14:02:34 coud i say that "i excess distance to avoid trafic jams" ? 14:03:34 no, for several reasons 14:03:41 1) I don't know what "coud" is 14:03:48 2) Excess isn't a verb 14:03:53 3) I don't know what "trafic" is 14:06:33 oh god 14:06:46 how to say that i choose longer way 14:08:20 nooga: you say "I choose a longer way" 14:08:25 That sentence isn't even vaguely grammatically correct, but let's give it a try. 14:08:28 augur: shush you 14:08:44 nooga: "I take the longer route to avoid traffic jams." 14:08:49 That only works in present-tense, though. 14:08:53 If you mean you do it in general: 14:08:56 or more fluidly, "I travel further, but in doing so, bypass traffic jams and get to my destination sooner" 14:08:58 "I take longer routes to avoid traffic jams." 14:09:11 augur: that's adding rather more semantics than what he said : 14:09:12 :P 14:09:13 okay 14:09:17 not really! 14:09:21 tho i suspect the truth behind what you're saying is more like 14:09:30 "I take the quickest route." 14:09:58 which is true in the case of traffic jams precisely when its faster to take a longer route 14:10:21 but which is also true sans traffic jams, which is likely also what you really mean to convey 14:10:51 "I take the road less traveled, for it makes all the difference in avoiding traffic jams." 14:11:22 "I'm a scenic driver because traffic jams irk." 14:11:25 interesting paradox: sometimes, adding more roads to a road network can increase mean travel time 14:12:07 fizzie, did you see my tutorial on categorial grammar? x3 14:12:38 nah 14:12:39 I have a horrible urge to answer "tl;dr" here. 14:12:44 D: 14:12:53 you should read it anyway. its not /too/ long 14:12:57 fizzie: I agree with the disinterested sentiment, but never say "tl;dr" or I'll kill you. 14:13:04 i need a sentence: take longer route to avoid 14:13:23 its pretty quick going if you're familiar with lambda calculus and can generalize it. 14:13:30 *typed lambda calculus 14:13:55 nooga: in what context? 14:14:01 commanding someone to take the longer route? 14:14:05 ehird: none, hes context free x3 14:14:08 saying that you always take the longer route? 14:14:10 yes 14:14:15 no 14:14:15 saying that you, right now, as an action, take it? 14:14:16 not always 14:14:16 nooga: which 14:14:21 and well 14:14:23 almost always 14:14:24 'generally" 14:14:26 take longer route TO AVOID something 14:14:27 *"generally" 14:14:29 yes 14:14:31 i was leaving that implicit 14:14:52 nooga: then: "I always take a longer route to avoid traffic jams." 14:14:52 or 14:14:59 "I generally take a longer route to avoid traffic jams." 14:15:03 okay 14:15:06 understood 14:15:09 * ehird wonders wtf nooga is doing :) 14:15:24 ehird: who knows. he's a nutball. 14:15:33 a ball of nuts! 14:15:42 a holiday treat! 14:15:58 subtle gay undertones! 14:16:07 (ok "subtle") 14:16:34 he's got two balls of nuts next to his yule log :o 14:16:38 well, below. 14:16:57 yule log? 14:17:01 that's um… some penis 14:17:06 youve never heard of a yule log? 14:17:14 i know what a yule log is. 14:17:38 i just don't think that penises are generally all that swirly you know? 14:17:40 its when you plot the amount of joy relative to time of the year, on a log-log scale 14:17:47 also you don't cut bits off of them. usually 14:17:50 augur: lol 14:18:06 uh.. how are yule logs swirly? 14:18:21 well around their axis, i guess, sure. 14:18:24 http://www.aeb.org/Recipes/Desserts/CHOCOLATEALMONDYULELOG_files/chocolate-almond-yule-log.jpg; you might have meant actual, uhh, logs 14:18:32 but everyone says yule log to mean that so nyah 14:18:38 (if that's 404 cut off the ending ;) 14:19:11 but real testicles are not made from pecans held together with syrupy stuff either 14:19:12 so... 14:19:13 :P 14:19:31 what? 14:19:34 umm 14:19:37 i think i should go see a doctor 14:19:49 D: 14:22:20 http://www.violet.com/index.php?catname=new%20gifts&detail=AB010420 14:22:21 hahaha 14:22:25 ive been thinking about doing just that 14:23:10 doing what 14:23:20 goggles for cutting onions 14:23:28 augur: that doesn't link to an actual product there 14:23:42 just a "WE'RE CLOSING SOON! so 'sall cheap." 14:23:43 stupid redirect :| 14:23:57 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2007/10/onion-action-go.html 14:23:58 also they fail to say why they're closing 14:24:01 i hate it when people don't say that 14:24:07 *companies, not people 14:24:09 augur: lol 14:24:27 ive got some goggles from chemistry class that i can use. :D 14:24:57 i wonder if anyone's synthesized coffee in a lab. 14:25:06 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2007/06/nomad_travel_si.html 14:25:08 nomads! 14:25:17 ehird: synthesized coffee? probably not. 14:25:27 ’askell ’onads 14:25:35 augur: well they should! 14:25:43 just synthesize the perfect cup of coffee without any of that pesky process 14:31:08 ugh 14:31:13 only one month left! 14:31:19 to what 14:31:19 less even 14:31:22 *till 14:31:23 until i get my own apartment 14:31:30 oh noes 14:31:41 im gonna have a KITCHEN 14:31:42 :D 14:31:51 why did you say ugh 14:31:59 because its not here right now! 14:32:14 augur you can have my imaginary apartment 14:32:17 it's great apart from not existing 14:32:25 whats it like? :o 14:32:29 great 14:32:37 layout? 14:32:42 awesome 14:32:46 describe it :| 14:32:56 hmm well it has every room ever 14:33:01 you just walk into the next room and it's the room you need 14:33:05 and the room is exactly how you want it 14:33:06 :o 14:33:14 it only has two rooms because every other one comes from just switching 14:33:16 also it's of arbitrary size 14:33:21 and it's in an arbitrary place 14:33:25 it's wherever you want it to be right now 14:33:27 that reminds me of a story or something 14:33:33 and looks exactly like whatever you want it to be right now, etc. 14:33:33 about a house that existed in four dimensions 14:33:36 also it is imaginary and does not exist 14:33:50 augur: “—And He Build a Crooked House—†14:33:53 by Robert A. Heinlein 14:33:54 yes! 14:33:57 i love you ehird. <3 14:33:57 (with the quotes) 14:34:03 *Built 14:34:04 sheesh 14:34:07 all that pedanticism 14:34:10 and I make a trivial spelling error 14:34:26 :) 14:34:27 AnMaster: can you play .wmv? <-- probably 14:37:00 omg, his ARMS are naked in it 14:37:05 that's just horrific 14:38:19 ehird, haha 14:38:52 oklopol: what 14:39:03 er 14:39:04 oklopol isn't here augur 14:39:05 ehird: what 14:39:05 XD 14:39:07 xD 14:39:09 augur: the video! 14:39:12 of him playing pian 14:39:12 o 14:39:13 what video 14:39:13 NAKED 14:39:16 it's almost like playing penis naked 14:39:29 oklopianorn: http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/pianovids/pianoriff.wmv 14:39:36 pianorn is a really crap term 14:39:44 oklopol playing piano?! :o 14:39:53 NAKED 14:40:26 Dobleve te efe. 14:40:31 that last bit <3 14:40:55 oklopols so adorable 14:42:49 It's not just arms, thanks to that camera-rotation fan-service thing at the end. 14:42:56 yeah :D 14:43:12 yeah i said arms before that 14:43:34 what could be more explicit than invisible-due-to-darkness, compressed-to-hell oklochest 14:43:55 So compressed he could be wearing a bloody overcoat :P 14:44:01 (Sleeveless overcoat? :P ) 14:44:45 Just tell your computer to "enhance"; that works at least in TV series. 14:47:22 random overcaffeinated fact: potatoes are a member of the nightshade family and as such their leaves are incredibly toxic to humans. while the spuds themselves contain very small amounts of toxin, they do contain /some/ toxin, and despite its incredible improbability it is possible to die from eating a potatoe 14:47:42 it's possible to die from the cyanide in an apple too! 14:47:52 (if you have just almost enough to die already) 14:47:56 such cases often occur when potatoes for a large part of a persons diet, and eating large quantities of potato in one sitting increases the risk of death 14:48:19 I'm glad I prefer rice. 14:48:29 rice kinda sucks 14:48:36 RICE RULES POTATOS ARE SUCK 14:48:42 (Good rice) 14:48:59 japanese sticky rice is absolutely delicious 14:51:20 the important parts of a nuclear bomb are called the "physics package", in acknowledgement of the fact that nuclear bombs use physics to blow shit up. 14:51:58 augur: as opposed to regular bombs 14:52:01 which don't use physics to blow shit up 14:52:06 right 14:52:20 those use chemistry! 14:52:31 which isn't dictated by the laws of physics. 14:52:44 augur: clearly we need ’bombs, which use ’pataphysics to blow shit up 14:52:59 indeed 14:53:02 hm wait is it ’ or just ' 14:53:11 probably ’pataphysics 14:53:33 i dont reember where thats from but i recognize it 14:55:20 brbrbrbrb 15:07:04 So a bomb that's just made of a balloon filled with tacks that you overinflate until it pops, sending tacks flying everywhere ... are we back to a physics package now? :P 15:07:25 wow 15:07:27 that would be amazing 15:07:33 you could have like 10 billion tacks, easy 15:07:38 just make it the size of a mansion 15:07:48 GregorR: fill the balloon with expanding gas or something 15:07:50 so it pops extra hard 15:08:00 It has to be lighter than air though :P 15:08:20 GregorR: nope, you can drop it from a plane 15:08:26 SWEET 15:08:30 GregorR: yep 15:08:35 just shove it out hard and set up the inflater 15:08:36 *BOOSH* 15:08:38 *tacks fly* 15:08:41 also put a sharp thing on the bottom 15:08:50 so that it pops from inflation and being poked simultaneously 15:08:56 when it hits the ground 15:09:21 GregorR: i like how it'd be really impressive but not do much more than scratch somebody mildly 15:09:23 If you had the tacks built in to the fabric of the balloon, instead of just sitting in there, you would guarantee maximum distribution. 15:09:25 *mildly scratch sometbody 15:09:31 also, haha 15:09:35 It could poke out an eye! 15:09:43 :D 15:09:49 If you were like "OMG look up, there are tacks coming at us!" 15:10:00 that's what i look for in a mansion-sized bomb that requires a plane at an exact altitude to work 15:10:09 the ability to poke eyes out if you're unlucky 15:10:19 *out eyes 15:11:10 My version is still not mansion-sized :P 15:11:25 GregorR: you need a shitload of tacks to do much damage 15:11:29 considering how much they'll spread 15:11:34 This is true ... 15:11:42 so about 10 billion 15:11:46 so, mansion-sized 15:11:48 Or, it'll just have to be really well-aimed and explode low. 15:11:51 could poke out like 5 eyes if you're lucky 15:11:58 GregorR: but we're dropping this on a city! 15:12:06 Maybe you are :P 15:12:10 it's the battle of mild annoyance of the enemy 15:12:19 their retaliation was to send a bunch of birds over here to poop on us 15:12:53 Here's my thought: You toss an inflating balloon ready to burst full of tacks into the bunker of the enemy. They're all like "aw shit if I pop that it's gonna be sucky, get a bucket--*KABOOOM*--OW MY FUCKING EYES" 15:13:50 :D 15:13:56 GregorR: okay another idea 15:13:59 gigantic water balloon 15:14:00 Anyway, I was really just looking for any way to make an explosion that was non-nuclear and non-chemical :P 15:14:08 really heavy 15:14:11 you just drop it on your enemy 15:14:16 and they have to go dry themselves off 15:14:35 GregorR: it probably counts as chemical to a degree 15:14:43 THAT'S SO LAMESAUCE 15:14:53 It's just fluid dynamics maaaaaaaaaaaaan 15:15:36 http://www22.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=father%27s+brother%27s+nephew%27s+cousin%27s ;; I wonder how Wolfram Alpha reacts to incest 15:17:01 darn "parents brother" just picks one 15:18:08 ... why is the probability of sharing a dominant trait with a sibling less than the frequency in the population ... 15:18:54 In fact, that graph seems to be the same for absolutely any relationship I enter. 15:19:32 http://www22.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=brother%27s+brother%27s+brother%27s+brother%27s+mother%27s+brother%27s+mother%27s+brother%27s+son%27s+brother%27s+son 15:19:38 Bother bother b(r)other! 15:19:52 I like how it's second cousin 15:20:01 "Oh, my second cousin! Hi!" 15:20:06 "Who are you?" 15:20:10 "Well, we have a few people between us..." 15:20:19 At what "blood relationship fraction" does sex become OK? :P 15:20:36 GregorR: iirc it's okay to breed with your second cousin 15:20:39 and might actually be genetically beneficial 15:20:45 i think second cousin 15:21:01 GregorR: so uh, 1.5625% :P 15:22:31 GregorR: People On The Internet say that perhaps fucking your first cousin is even better 15:22:33 like, genetically 15:22:36 who knows! 15:23:05 http://www22.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tenth+cousin 15:23:11 0% blood relationship! 15:24:46 ehird has a rounding error 15:24:54 A very minor rounding error :P 15:25:37 Alternatively, one can look at "blood relationship" as "percentage of identical DNA" 15:25:47 In which case all humans are >99% blood related. 15:25:58 We're all inbreeding. 15:26:03 You can't outbreed. :P 15:26:07 We should be having sex with ... trees? 15:26:09 well 15:26:14 if the same species somehow evolved independently 15:26:18 on completely isolated halves of the world 15:26:22 without ever breeding together or even touching 15:26:29 then they could have sex and it wouldn't be inbreeding 15:26:30 but 15:26:31 Sounds likely to me. 15:26:35 they themselves would be the product of inbreeding 15:26:48 ehird 15:26:50 Cloning 15:26:57 so two people of the same species would have to independently, unrelatedly spontaneously come into existence 15:26:59 and then have sex 15:27:03 that would be outbreeding 15:27:06 Slereah: uhh, that's incest. 15:27:15 How? 15:27:17 "We're all inbreeding" sounds to me more being about some sort of channel-wide orgy. 15:27:22 Slereah: you're from the same family? 15:27:25 if you're cloned you're identical 15:27:29 it's still the same clump of atoms 15:27:35 doesn't matter how it came about 15:27:45 If aliens with pretty much the same genetic code aren't family, why would a construct with a similar genetic code be our family? 15:27:50 for all we know the universe does "for all atoms, atoms[i] = random()" every planck time 15:28:06 fizzie: that would be OK too 15:29:17 But random() is only pseudo random dude 15:29:35 statistical analysis seems to suggest not :P 15:29:36 HotBits yo 15:29:48 Depends what you mean by random 15:30:07 Slereah: analysis of the nuclear decay of atoms shows it to be of exceptional randomosity from our point of view 15:30:39 But it is not the sauce of random()! 15:30:47 "Unfortunately, they are proposing to manage all of these increased expenses the same way the Nazis did -- by killing sick and old people." —reddit 15:30:50 What a *shame*! 15:30:53 Deary me. 15:30:57 It's so unfortunate. 15:30:58 :P 15:34:10 From the same person: 15:34:12 "I'm really sorry but..what if I'm right, and you are a Nazi, and just don't know it?" 15:34:24 (after calling someone a nazi and being called out on it) 15:34:33 GregorR: You kill babies. 15:35:25 The first step to salvation is admitting that you are a nazi 15:35:49 "I always used to be firmly for world government, but recently I have seen a lot of people saying right now we have kind of a secret world empire and that they are really evil people that plan on eliminating free speech and killing 2/3 of the world population (to save the environment or something).[…]I'm not for *that* kind of evil world government." 15:35:55 He prefers the fluffy, kind evil world government. 15:36:07 ([…] contains… a newline, and nothing else.) 15:37:58 The funny thing about these people is how good they are at self-delusion… kind of like the rapture people… it hasn't happened yet because they're still grooming us for it. And again. And again, again, again. 15:38:19 Are you some kind of nazi ehird 15:38:26 Yes. A nazi of LOVE. 15:39:02 Will you send grumpy people to concentration camps? 15:39:30 yes. 15:39:39 Someone else commenting on one of his insane posts: [[I'm glad to see this being posted outside of /r/conspiracy because the writing is on the wall and has been for years now.]] 15:39:43 Just like all the other conspiracies! 15:39:55 You know... uh... 15:40:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:47:34 omg, his ARMS are naked in it 15:47:45 naked gun 15:47:49 it's the new Michelle Obama look, i read about it in the paper today 15:47:51 hey i just came up with that in 3 seconds 15:48:41 ehird: i believe there is prior art. involving leslie nielsen and some homocidal maniac. 15:49:00 it was... a joke... as a reference 15:49:01 bitch 15:49:50 Who shot the footage? 'Cause, I mean, you see the two astronauts[…] 15:49:56 FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 15:51:21 and everyone knows they didn't have timer technology in 1969. 15:51:37 unless, WAIT, maybe they got it from those roswell aliens! 15:51:39 yeah shit's hard 15:52:18 it all makes sense now. they really _did_ go to the moon, but they secretly used alien technology! 15:52:37 CHIMPANZEE INVESTIGATORS 15:52:40 …FROM SPACE! 15:52:43 …OF THE MOON! 15:53:11 that's no moon. 15:53:41 THAT'S A CHIMPANZEE 15:53:43 SHAPED LIKE A MOON 15:54:52 the mother of all chimpanzees 15:56:59 I'm glad I prefer rice. <-- i've read that badly treated rice is a major source of food poisoning 15:57:37 never store it for long in room temperature after cooking 15:58:36 augur: clearly we need .bombs, which use .pataphysics to blow shit up 15:59:03 ’ 15:59:05 not . 15:59:10 you jewnicode hitler 15:59:51 that would be 'terrorism 16:00:16 we need ’pataprogramming 16:00:20 it's modifying the metaprograms. 16:00:25 ’PACA 16:01:50 GregorR: i like how it'd be really impressive but not do much more than scratch somebody mildly 16:02:01 wasps, i say 16:02:56 hm those would be a pain to put in a balloon without premature popping 16:03:25 pop a cap^Wballoon 16:08:50 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:19:40 oerjan: YES. 16:20:39 GregorR: i take it you are really fond of food poisoning. 16:20:49 And wasps! 16:22:05 i guess technically if a wasp stings while you're eating it, it can count as both 16:22:34 Anyway, I tend to eat rice, y'know, immediately after cooking it? 16:22:47 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 16:22:51 Whereas wasps of course must be eaten raw and living. 16:23:21 You just tug out their stinger and *munch munch munch* 16:23:30 no man 16:23:32 the stinger is the best part 16:23:47 risotto with wasps... 16:24:11 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 16:24:41 Although raw is the proper way, they're pretty good cooked in oil too. 16:24:45 With a little bit of butter. 16:24:49 And salted of course. 16:25:27 finger-stinging good 16:25:43 16:23 ehird: no man 16:25:43 16:23 ehird: the stinger is the best part 16:25:56 Saw it. 16:26:01 And it so is not :P 16:26:04 What with the poison. 16:26:16 just take an antidote. but it's so crunchy and sweet! 16:26:29 I've eaten a mosquito before. In fact, I think I then immediately came in here and said "lawl I ate a mosquito" 16:26:53 "Bees and wasps are OK eaten after a good boiling. The poison is basically a protein which disassembles at boiling temperatures. The stinger softens. Pounding them before boiling is effective. Bee and Wasp Larvae are delicious!" 16:27:07 "Alternately, you could put the wasp in the freezer until became docile with the cold. You might not even have to remove the stinger that way." 16:42:45 LOL 16:43:03 Scammy site overing webhosting with 50GB of storage for $6.95/mo 16:43:10 You gotta know that shit grows on trees. 16:43:17 Cheap Website Hosting 16:43:17 - $7.95 / month 16:43:19 Cheap hosting plan: 16:43:21 - 1500,000 MB of storage 16:43:23 That's just ridiculous. 16:43:34 i didn't know that. i though it came out of butts. 16:43:38 *thought 16:43:49 if they mean , as in separator 16:43:52 then that's almost 1.5TB 16:43:56 if they mean it as in decimal 16:44:00 then who the fuck says 1500.000? 16:45:01 1.500.000 commonly means 15 * 10^5 16:45:25 also if it means 1500 then that's less than the cheaper plan 16:45:28 which is 50000 16:45:35 Deewiant: I know 16:45:41 Deewiant: but there's no dot in this 16:45:51 "1500,000 MB" is either 1.5TB of a really stupid way of saying 1500 MB 16:46:02 I was semi-responding to ( ehird) then who the fuck says 1500.000? 16:46:13 well right 16:46:13 It's not that stupid 16:46:26 ehird, its not stupid, its very precise 16:46:28 Maybe you might have 1500 MB + 200 bytes 16:46:32 Deewiant: xD 16:46:35 its true! 16:46:44 actually 0.001mb = kb 16:46:48 So they specify how precise it is 16:46:49 so you couldn't express 200 bytes with three 16:46:54 augur: yes but this site is ridiculously loose with language 16:46:55 ehird: Exactly 16:46:57 like all scammy ultra-cheap hosting sites 16:47:03 ehird: yes, but! 16:47:11 ehird: So they say it's guaranteed to not be 1 kilobyte over 1500 MB 16:47:16 But it might be 200 bytes more 16:47:17 Or less 16:47:19 Deewiant: Yes, but dude, 16:47:39 Deewiant: That's less storage space than the plan that costs one dollar less. 16:47:44 (or thereabouts) 16:47:49 The whole site is just a fuckfest XD 16:48:04 I wouldn't be surprised if that other one were a typo 16:48:11 Or then they do mean 1.5 TB. 16:48:14 yeah 16:48:28 i wanna know how they profit off 1.5TB for less than $8/mo! 16:48:35 (Answer: by not giving you 1.5TB.) 16:50:13 Who could actually USE 1.5TB? What they actually give you is "unless everybody starts using it at once, we'll have that much space free for your files" 16:50:28 It's like how a bank doesn't actually have enough cash for everybody to withdraw everything at once. 16:51:08 ehird, the computer arrived. I will fetch it at the local post office in a few hours. 16:51:30 AnMaster: it's actually a bobcat 16:51:38 GregorR-L: …I could easily use 1.5TB… 16:52:03 ehird, is this joke a reference to something? 16:52:11 AnMaster: No, it really is a bobcat. 16:54:46 AnMaster: http://xkcd.com/325/ 16:55:18 oerjan, ah that... 16:55:19 right 16:55:40 * AnMaster burns arch to cd 16:56:02 great alt/title text, too 16:56:56 -!- nooga has quit (Client Quit). 16:57:26 AnMaster: btw, you'll need to change fontconfig settings to 129 dpi. 16:57:33 otherwise text will be way too small. 16:57:37 uhu 16:57:43 or wait 16:57:48 is it 15.4 or 15.6 inch 16:57:54 if 15.6 (shut up augur), then 127 16:58:05 what do you mean "shut up augur"? 16:58:10 15.4" 16:58:13 AnMaster: length. 16:58:20 oh 16:58:20 so, yeah, 129 dpi 16:58:26 okay technically 128.65 16:58:30 but you can't really do that. 16:58:52 ehird, I'm going to bother about that once I got stuff like partitioning, encryption and so on done... 16:59:14 AnMaster: i doubt you'll even be able to read the text without straining at such a wrong dpi setting 16:59:20 96 vs 129 16:59:29 depends 16:59:56 ehird, installing arch uses the linux vt though 17:00:02 so about zero I can do at that point about it 17:00:06 anyway 17:00:07 true 17:00:14 P.S. it will also catch on fire if you don't additionally turn on RGB antialiasing, and set hinting to "light") 17:00:14 ehird, arch linux cd has ssh 17:00:18 s/^/(/ 17:00:22 I tried yesterday with virtualbox 17:00:31 er 17:00:32 *slight 17:00:56 (that was when I found out virtualbox assert()ed on a guest with 2.6.30 kernel...) 17:01:49 assert()ing is pretty regular :P 17:02:03 ehird, in virtualbox? 17:02:05 huh 17:02:16 AnMaster: I think you mean "assert() failed". 17:02:21 ehird, well yeah... 17:02:31 ehird, nitpicking :P 17:04:03 ehird, btw a fun thing: my cd/dvd drive burns perfectly fine CDs that k3b claims failed the verification pass. But using dd to dump the cd and comparing it to the iso show no differences. And they work perfectly too 17:04:17 AnMaster: k3b will be more nuanced 17:04:20 on another drive I attached to test with, k3b doesn't claim they fail. 17:04:21 cds aren't really digital 17:04:24 scratches, skips etc 17:04:34 AnMaster: the drive might be bad 17:05:09 ehird, hm? 17:05:17 it seems to work perfectly 17:05:22 in all other aspects 17:05:25 (and with all other tools) 17:05:27 yes, in all other aspects 17:05:37 ehird, even burning using plain cdrecord 17:05:46 a tv that can't display images works in all other aspects too :p 17:06:04 ehird, the cds actually work though, Even in other drives. 17:06:16 Right now they do. 17:06:22 Anyway, the drive's _reading_ might be fucked up. 17:06:26 Thus causing the errors. 17:07:11 ehird, hm, dumping it with dd reading with the same drive shows no difference so I'm not sure how it would be messed up 17:07:41 AnMaster: Scratched disks read perfectly too, sometimes. But not always. 17:07:48 and the only times cdparanoia complained was when the cd used had scratches. And it likes to complain about things. 17:07:49 Anyway, the DISC COULD BE FINE. The drive just might be READING it wrong. 17:07:50 When it checks. 17:07:59 ehird, no visible scratches on this completely new cd-r... 17:08:04 IT WAS AN EXAMPLE! 17:08:11 ehird, yes... I understand 17:08:15 but I want to find the real cause 17:08:17 You seem to think CDs and CD drives are like USB sticks; a bit's either one or zero and the only errors can be logical writing or reading errors. 17:08:20 It doesn't work like that. 17:09:14 ehird, indeed it doesn't. But what sort of error is it? k3b doesn't tell me 17:09:26 Garden pixies. 17:10:44 hah 17:19:23 Vile enemies of garden gnomes. 17:21:46 oerjan, btw IWC was quite funny today IMO 17:24:56 AnMaster: that's lame, ELER did it before 17:25:27 ehird, I'm sure a lot of comics has done it before 17:25:34 sure 17:25:38 eler does meta the best though 17:25:43 i never meta eler comic i didn't like 17:25:47 eler? 17:25:57 http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/ 17:26:02 Everybody Loves Eric [S] Raymond. 17:26:05 oh the one that updates once / year or so 17:26:23 hey, it got once a month or so in ’07! 17:26:43 although there were no updates in ’08 :) 17:26:43 yeah. that was then 17:26:52 how many this year? 17:26:58 1; the current one 17:27:05 which is, uhh 17:27:09 basically the last one metaed :) 17:27:17 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:36:24 -!- jix has joined. 17:39:14 AnMaster: hilarious, wasn't it. 17:45:04 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:49:19 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:50:37 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: [Pretending to be Sine Area] Logs from this channel: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 17:51:11 -!- ehird has set topic: ‡ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 17:53:00 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric. 17:53:41 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 17:53:51 "In an ironic twist on Mapua artist Roger Griffiths' protest withdrawal of his $190,000 savings in $20 notes from Westpac yesterday, the money was today back with Westpac. 17:53:51 17:53:53 Mr Griffiths deposited the cash at the Nelson Building Society in Richmond, but because NBS banks with Westpac, it has deposited the money there." 17:54:04 -!- ehird has set topic: Nostalgia is dead! Which is why we don't link to the logs any more. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 17:54:17 ehird: lol 17:54:25 lol to what? 17:54:29 The bit I made up or the bit I didn't? 17:54:36 The bit you didn't. 17:54:42 Nothing you make up is funny. OHHHH BURN 17:54:43 D'aww. :P 17:55:26 Funny make up is nothing, you. 17:56:42 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: [ÐоÑталгија Ðреа] #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 17:58:01 Wonderfully, Google Translate can (incorrectly) detect that that Serbian is Macedonian, but can't translate it to English :P 17:58:15 i was wondering about the j... 18:06:55 Elleniko alfabeto. 18:08:08 no, definitely cyrillic based 18:08:27 but with that strange j mixed in 18:08:54 AnMaster: hilarious, wasn't it. <-- indeed 18:10:04 oerjan: And "Apea" entirely in latin script :P 18:10:08 Serbian is weird? 18:10:29 GregorR-L, what does that phrase mean? 18:10:43 Nostalgia Area 18:10:47 uhu 18:10:57 "erbian is the best example of synchronic digraphia. Both Latin and Cyrillic alphabets are widely used in Serbia in a large variety of contexts, and most people are literate in both scripts." 18:11:01 With an 'S' there 18:11:01 GregorR-L: except Apea is also perfectly valid cyrillic afaik 18:11:06 Erbian! 18:11:07 :D 18:11:33 and it makes more sense that way 18:12:32 (p -> r) 18:17:08 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:33:58 -!- GuestShadowSkunk has joined. 18:37:17 -!- oklopol has joined. 18:39:43 `translate Como estas? 18:39:44 How are you? 18:39:50 :) 18:40:05 `translate wtf 18:40:05 wtf 18:40:13 X-D 18:40:31 `translate asdfio 18:40:32 asdfio 18:40:41 `translate hva faen 18:40:41 what the hell 18:41:06 `translate Me gusta Google Translate! 18:41:07 I like Google Translate! 18:41:13 `translate mitäs vittuu 18:41:14 what s ¤ vittuu 18:41:20 Well that's screwy. 18:41:24 `translate mitä vittua 18:41:25 ¤ what the fuck 18:41:40 Hello inexplicable added symbol :P 18:41:42 GregorR-L: add `translateto 18:41:43 ! 18:41:49 `cat bin/translate 18:41:49 #!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Use: translate ' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ wget --user-agent="" \ \ 'http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text='"$QUERY"'&sl=auto&tl=en' \ \ -O - | \ grep result_box | \ perl -pe 's/^.*result_box 18:41:53 Add it yoself! :P 18:41:57 `url bin/translate 18:41:58 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/translate 18:41:58 `paste bin/translate 18:41:59 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1342 18:42:04 xD 18:42:15 GregorR: actually "mitä vittua" means "weird symbol, what the fuck" 18:42:25 :D 18:42:26 oklopol: Fascinating :P 18:43:04 `translate Kefir mjølk, kefir ikkje kaffi? 18:43:05 Kefir Mjà ¸ LK, Kefir not coffee? 18:43:06 `tranlate mitä helevettii? 18:43:07 No output. 18:43:24 translate* 18:43:33 Deewiant: i doubt that'd help much 18:43:41 Stupid HackEgo not being psychic :P 18:43:45 `run wget http://pastie.org/557942.txt?key=qjidtjokinumzi74zrs0w -O bin/translateto; echo 'translateto en "$@"' > bin/translate 18:43:46 No output. 18:43:55 ehird: Need to use fetch. 18:43:56 `translate mitä vittua 18:43:57 No output. 18:44:03 ehh 18:44:04 `fetch --help 18:44:08 .............. 18:44:10 :| 18:44:11 `fetch http://pastie.org/557942.txt?key=qjidtjokinumzi74zrs0w 18:44:11 `fetch 18:44:11 GNU Wget 1.11.4, a non-interactive network retriever. Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]... Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. Startup: -V, --version display the version of Wget and exit. -h, --help print this help. -b, --background go to background after startup. -e, --execute=COMMAND execute a `.wgetrc'-style command. Logging and input file: -o, --output-file=FILE 18:44:12 http://: Invalid host name. 18:44:16 `translate mitä helevettii? 18:44:16 No output. 18:44:20 `run fetch http://pastie.org/557942.txt?key=qjidtjokinumzi74zrs0w -O bin/translateto; echo 'translateto en "$@"' > bin/translate 18:44:21 No output. 18:44:23 Hm :P 18:44:23 Meh 18:44:27 `translate bitch 18:44:27 No output. 18:44:32 oh 18:44:32 wait 18:44:34 * GregorR-L fixes fetch quickly :P 18:44:35 "$lang" 18:44:36 help if i liked 18:44:38 defined lang 18:44:41 wouldn't it 18:44:52 `translate Immer mit dem Unicode! 18:44:52 No output. 18:45:09 `run fetch http://pastie.org/557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg -O bin/translateto; echo 'translateto en "$@"' > bin/translate 18:45:10 No output. 18:45:14 `translate im a bitch lol 18:45:15 No output. 18:45:20 -___________- 18:45:31 ehird: fetch cannot be run in 'run', it's a builtin, not a command. 18:45:39 `fetch http://pastie.org/557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg 18:45:39 2009-07-24 17:45:39 URL:http://pastie.org/557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg [338/338] -> "557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg" [1] 18:45:41 `ls 18:45:42 557942.txt?key=qjidtjokinumzi74zrs0w \ 557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg \ bin \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.26894 18:45:52 `rm 557942.txt?key=qjidtjokinumzi74zrs0w 18:45:53 No output. 18:46:00 `run mv 557945.txt?key=qd0f5hgnhxg4isykm3wfg bin/translateto 18:46:00 No output. 18:46:06 `run echo 'translateto en "$@"' > bin/translate 18:46:06 No output. 18:46:09 `translate f 18:46:10 No output. 18:46:12 `translate gutten tag 18:46:13 No output. 18:46:19 ehird: PERMISSIONS YOU RETARD 18:46:22 o 18:46:29 `run chmod +x bin/* 18:46:29 No output. 18:46:32 `translate fuck bitch 18:46:32 No output. 18:46:36 or not 18:46:36 `translate wtf 18:46:36 No output. 18:46:38 STOP 18:46:40 STOP STOP STOP 18:46:41 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:46:41 God damn it 18:46:44 START 18:46:45 `translate wtf 18:46:46 No output. 18:46:48 Help 18:46:51 Help help help help help 18:46:55 …god damn it 18:46:55 `translate fru Ibsens ripsbusker og andre buskvekster 18:46:56 No output. 18:47:06 `translate Como estas? 18:47:06 No output. 18:47:08 `translate MAYBE IF I TRY IT A FEW MORE TIMES IT'LL START WORKING 18:47:09 No output. 18:47:13 ic 18:48:04 `run ls -l bin/translate 18:48:05 -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 20 Jul 24 17:48 bin/translate 18:48:14 ehird: Is your translateto even REMOTELY correct? It just seems wildly wrong. 18:48:26 GregorR-L: Hmm. 18:48:28 It isn't indee. 18:48:29 d 18:48:31 $1 vs $2. 18:48:37 :-D 18:48:43 Also, when something is run as `foo bar, everything goes as ONE argument. 18:48:50 Ah. 18:48:50 GregorR-L: there was a translation error between ehird's brain and keyboard 18:48:50 `run file bin/translate 18:48:51 bin/translate: ASCII text 18:48:54 good point 18:48:58 `revert 133 18:48:59 Done. 18:49:02 hey 18:49:04 i was working on that 18:49:04 dammit 18:49:09 `fetch http://pastie.org/557954.txt?key=0hiipgsxhwifd4whcr5wg 18:49:09 2009-07-24 17:49:09 URL:http://pastie.org/557954.txt?key=0hiipgsxhwifd4whcr5wg [338/338] -> "557954.txt?key=0hiipgsxhwifd4whcr5wg" [1] 18:49:18 `run mv 557954.txt?key=0hiipgsxhwifd4whcr5wg bin/translateto 18:49:18 No output. 18:49:21 `run chmod +x bin/translateto 18:49:22 No output. 18:49:23 stop the nonsense and make it work again. 18:49:28 `run translateto fi "hello world" 18:49:29 Hello World 18:49:34 it's a start 18:49:37 `run translateto de "hello world" 18:49:37 hallo welt 18:49:50 `run echo 'translateto en "$@"' >bin/translate 18:49:51 in finnish "moikka maailma :)" 18:49:51 No output. 18:49:53 `run chmod +x bin/translate 18:49:53 Yes, translating "hello world" to Finnish is just a matter of capitalizing the words 18:49:54 No output. 18:49:55 *it's 18:50:00 `translate hallo welt 18:50:01 No output. 18:50:04 ........... 18:50:08 well someone fix that. 18:50:10 `cat bin/translate 18:50:11 translateto en "$@" 18:50:20 ehird: #!/bin/sh or something? 18:50:24 `revert 144 18:50:25 Done. 18:50:25 Deewiant: no, that's automatic 18:50:25 Fixt. 18:50:31 `cat bin/translate 18:50:31 ehird: No, that's not. 18:50:31 #!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Use: translate ' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ wget --user-agent="" \ \ 'http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text='"$QUERY"'&sl=auto&tl=en' \ \ -O - | \ grep result_box | \ perl -pe 's/^.*result_box 18:50:34 GregorR-L: would you stop that? 18:50:36 No. 18:50:40 why not 18:50:41 `translate wtf 18:50:42 wtf 18:50:44 i'm trying to fix it and you just keep reverting it 18:50:46 It works now 18:50:50 Because you're needlessly fucking with translate when translateto DOESN'T EVEN WORK YET. 18:50:52 Deewiant: he reverted it 18:50:55 GregorR-L: yes it does 18:50:56 you idiot 18:51:00 `run translateto de "Hello world" 18:51:00 Hallo Welt 18:51:06 `translateto es This should work without 'run', retard. 18:51:06 Clearly it's just hardcoded that result. 18:51:06 No output. 18:51:07 ehird: translate works now, so who cares what's reverted 18:51:16 GregorR-L: I see. And who dictated that? 18:51:19 <-- 18:51:21 Maybe you should write mv(1) to do that, too. 18:51:24 ^-- 18:51:26 I don't think you can use it directly. 18:51:36 Otherwise you're typing `run translateto foo "Wow this is a stupid way to translate." 18:51:36 Oh, and everything else in /bin. 18:51:53 The extra six keypresses will kill us. 18:51:57 `laden 18:51:57 No output. 18:52:05 Never mind, you know, obeying general unix conventions. 18:52:05 Heaven forbid you should have to translate something with quotes in it 18:52:10 OH NO! 18:52:12 Another character! 18:52:21 Woe betide we, the tormented translators. 18:52:29 *us 18:53:45 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 18:54:05 oerjan: it can be we. 18:54:07 `translateto fi Behold, magical translation without needless complication. 18:54:08 Katso, maaginen käännös ilman tarpeetonta monimutkaisuutta. 18:54:16 :D 18:54:25 awesome 18:54:27 `translate Katso, maaginen käännös ilman tarpeetonta monimutkaisuutta. 18:54:28 See, magical Kà ¤ à ¤ ¶ NPV s without unnecessary complexity. 18:54:40 GregorR-L: why don't you just remove the arbitrary command execution of hackego so that you never have to revert people who use such uncouth interface practices as that of any standard UNIX tool? 18:54:41 That's some pretty magical Kà € à € ¶ NPV. 18:54:46 `translateto en Katso, maaginen käännös ilman tarpeetonta monimutkaisuutta. 18:54:47 See, magical Kà ¤ à ¤ ¶ NPV s without unnecessary complexity. 18:55:11 `translate kääntäminen 18:55:12 Kà ¤ à ¤ ¤ nta in 18:55:17 ehird: Things in HackEgo's bin directory are not unix commands. It's that simple. They are commands run on UNIX, but they are not intended to follow UNIX conventions. If they were, then `addquote would be a HUGE pain in the arse. 18:55:40 and the solution to this is to rampantly revert my changes before I have even a second to attempt to change it 18:55:46 cool, cool 18:55:49 very hackable bot you got there 18:55:59 ehird, I just thought of a slogan you would love: 18:56:06 Thinkpad different 18:56:18 AnMaster: fsvo love equal to shit 18:56:25 "fsvo"? 18:56:36 fsvo. 18:56:37 `translate fsvo 18:56:38 fsvo 18:56:42 :P 18:56:52 err? 18:57:13 http://www.google.com/search?q=fsvo 18:57:44 &/)&¤%( why are unpacking instructions at the *bottom* of a package!? 18:57:58 lawl 18:58:36 inside a plastic shrinkwrap too 19:00:52 plastic shrinkwrap is clearly a torture instrument 19:03:33 hah 19:04:00 now lets see what vista is like 19:04:05 it is what is preinstalled on it 19:04:11 I want to try it for the lulz first 19:05:15 vista rebooted itself first thing? 19:05:20 set up stuff. 19:05:22 *setup 19:05:24 ah 19:05:30 * ehird bets AnMaster doesn't have a wireless router 19:05:52 * GregorR-L bets AnMaster IS a wireless router. 19:05:58 ehird, I do have wlan. But it preferred to hook up to the neighbour's unprotected network 19:06:12 That is a good policy. 19:06:26 Why buy what you can steal? 19:06:38 why default to it though... 19:06:44 AnMaster: because it doesn't involve entering a key. 19:06:50 ...? 19:06:56 Presumably your WLAN is protected. 19:07:06 ehird, yes, and not announced either 19:07:06 It probably took the first unsecure network, sorted by highest connection 19:07:08 It shouldn't assume you know the key, but it wants interwebs at all time. 19:07:09 Therefore… 19:07:09 To make stuff easier for you 19:07:27 As a non-techsavvy user, that is 19:07:32 brb, 19:08:32 wtf 19:08:45 vista doesn't accept *not* storing a password reminder thingy 19:08:52 * AnMaster enters a space 19:09:16 AnMaster: which vista version does it have? 19:09:22 sp 1 it seems 19:09:27 No, like the edition. 19:09:27 32-bit home basic, probably 19:09:29 and buiseness is the edition 19:09:32 There's Vista, which sucks, and there's Vista, which is utterly fucking terrible. 19:09:34 + spelling 19:09:34 Or business 19:09:36 Yeah 19:09:38 Deewiant, that yea 19:09:43 The latter one is, like... anything but Ultimate. 19:09:56 Home premium is perfectly sufficient 19:10:00 ...for your mom. 19:10:10 Seriously, Ultimate has pretty much nothing on top of it :-P 19:10:21 what about the bill gates signed editint??!!>!??!?!o 19:10:24 Windows Ultimate was supposed to have downloadable extras, but ended up with just DreamScene, which is useless 19:10:33 Yep 19:10:37 especially so on a laptop 19:10:47 "dreamscene"? 19:11:03 anyway... it isn't like I will *use* vista 19:11:21 AnMaster: Yes you will, you said your university requires it. 19:11:33 "Windows DreamScene is a utility that allows videos and other optimized animations to be used as desktop wallpapers. It is one of the Windows Ultimate Extras." 19:11:54 ehird, since virtualbox has 3D acceleration now I doubt it will be a major issue 19:12:12 but vista is sure slow... 19:12:14 and 19:12:17 it rebooted again 19:12:21 third time now 19:12:26 Like, without warning? 19:13:10 ehird, like after two minutes with "busy cursor" after it asked me to enter all that info... 19:13:20 and no message 19:13:33 Well, yeah. 19:13:35 ARGH boot sound is bad enough in XP 19:13:37 this is terrible 19:14:10 anyway: impression so far: ugly 19:14:32 business doesn't even have aero does it 19:15:09 Yes it does 19:15:22 hmm kay 19:15:23 It's in all except home basic 19:15:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_editions#Comparison_chart 19:15:51 Oh, and starter :-P 19:15:52 and starter edition! 19:15:54 don't forg— 19:15:54 :D 19:16:02 Microsoft also makes another variant of Windows Vista Ultimate available to raise awareness of AIDS in Africa: WINDOWS VISTA (PRODUCT) RED. This edition is available pre-installed on select Dell computers and also through The Ultimate Steal. 19:16:17 They should have called it "Windows Vista, AIDS Edition" 19:16:27 It's more direct. It'd sell like hot cakes! 19:16:33 ... yeaaaaaaaaah. 19:16:47 By "hot cakes" I mean assholes. 19:16:52 And, like, selling = penis. 19:16:53 wait a sec 19:16:58 And AIDS. 19:17:30 "Lenovo recommends you register your computer so we can give you better support and help you get as much as possible out of your Lenvo computer" 19:17:33 err really? 19:18:33 AnMaster: You mean like every other computer manufacturer? 19:18:34 Crazy. 19:19:07 ehird, wouldn't know. Since several years I only have either recycled or home built computers 19:19:16 -!- atrapado has joined. 19:19:23 Recycled computer! Bits of your case become your CPU. 19:19:29 Your graphics card is made out of your old mouse. 19:19:44 The memory is made out of STARVING AFRICAN CHILDREN. 19:19:47 ehird, recycled as in: take old computers someone else is going to throw away when they get a new 19:19:51 they work very well still often 19:19:59 just not state of the art 19:20:07 but very good for stuff like nfs server or whatever 19:20:10 Computers generally do work unless they're broken. 19:20:10 `translate atrapado 19:20:11 trapped 19:20:46 ok. Summary of vista's design: ugly 19:21:26 I much prefer Fisher Price XP. 19:21:38 summary of vista's speed: Slow as fuck. But maybe that is because it is first boot 19:21:39 ehird, ? 19:21:47 on XP I always use the 2000-style theme 19:21:53 (by stopping the "theme" service) 19:22:27 AnMaster: You know that you can do that in settings? 19:22:30 Without stopping the theme service? 19:22:34 ehird, yes too 19:22:45 Anyway, lemme guess, the harddrive is 5400rpm? 19:22:50 ehird, but stopping the service is a good idea when you run it in a VM with 300 MB 19:22:52 Vista is slow, but that's gonna compound it a lot. 19:23:11 ehird, 7200 RPM on the model they had at home. Only 160 GB though 19:23:26 Lenovo have a store in AnMaster's house. 19:23:26 as for the extra 2 GB they are going to arrive on Monday it seems 19:23:33 ehird, no 19:23:59 ah seems like windows update is finally no longer a hack inside internet explorer 19:24:05 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:24:24 It wasn't in XP service pack 3, either, IIRC. 19:24:47 ehird, ah... I stopped using XP before that 19:26:09 ok. Now the infamous asking for permission under vista started 19:26:17 it asks if I want Java Updater to be allowed 19:26:27 but it doesn't seem to say *allowed to do what* 19:26:42 Do something that needs your permission, of course! 19:27:09 Deewiant, wouldn't it be a good idea to say *what* said thing was 19:27:14 It wants to . 19:27:33 yeah quite 19:27:35 AnMaster: Yes, it certainly would 19:27:47 For the record I disabled that misfeature on my first day of Vista, IIRC 19:27:52 UAC beats no UAC. 19:27:53 Deewiant, is it always like that under vista btw? 19:27:59 AnMaster: no 19:28:00 that it doesn't say what it wants to do 19:28:03 ah 19:28:03 Beats me; like said, I don't use it 19:28:08 AnMaster: btw, you're probably running under an admin account. 19:28:12 you should, like, fix that. 19:28:19 ...or just wipe the vista install because who wants it 19:28:23 ehird, possibly. And yeah... 19:28:29 I just want to see how wtf it is 19:28:43 I'm going to install xp in virtualbox later 19:28:54 Install 7. 19:29:06 ehird, costs more money than using existing non-OEM cd 19:29:14 Isn't the RC still free? 19:29:21 ok win update wants to download 551 MB 19:29:28 Anyhoo, the software distributor $torrent_site.com has always been very cheap for me. 19:29:30 ehird, won't that be disabled later on? 19:29:35 Free, actually, now I think about it. 19:29:37 AnMaster: Yes. 19:29:52 (AnMaster: pm) 19:30:32 oklopol: don't cybersex AnMaster 19:30:40 oklopol, can't easily atm. Since mouse is connected to the laptop and I'm using xchat because I was doing DCC a while ago 19:30:57 oklopol, if it is about the music: I downloaded it but haven't yet had time to listen to it 19:31:12 It's 40 seconds long. 19:31:19 You're just scared of oklochest. 19:31:21 right. 19:31:30 yeah i just made sure you got that, it was such hard work to record it. 19:31:44 ehird, I actually watched a few secs to make sure wmv worked 19:31:51 so I know it is just arms 19:31:55 :D 19:31:55 No. 19:31:58 It's chest at the end. 19:31:58 :P 19:32:08 but I couldn't use headphones then due to just having showered 19:32:16 (Also, a penis.) 19:32:20 :o 19:32:28 You can't deny it! 19:32:39 ok it seems vista still fails to handle connecting the same USB device to different usb ports well 19:32:42 MY PENIS MUST BE BIGGER THAN I THOUGH 19:32:51 that is just silly under windows 19:32:59 oklopol: yes also your neck connects directly to that 19:33:01 and it's black 19:33:02 what's up with that 19:33:05 also your arms attach to it 19:33:08 ehird, know what I mean?' 19:33:09 also it has no head 19:33:10 s/'// 19:33:18 how did they circumcise it incidentally 19:33:20 weirdest penis i ever seen 19:33:25 AnMaster: eh? 19:33:28 what do you mean 19:33:43 ehird, connect an USB mouse of whatever to a system running windows 19:33:49 ...works fine? 19:33:51 it takes a few seconds to install a driver if it is first time 19:33:53 right? 19:33:58 ...not for a mouse 19:34:01 next time, much faster 19:34:09 ehird, um yes. And this is a MS mouse... 19:34:28 ehird, anyway. Reconnect it to a different USB port on the computer... Now it will take the long "installing" thing again 19:34:36 my penis is circumcised? they don't really do that in finland, so doesn't sound likely. 19:34:39 ...no, AnMaster? 19:34:40 but it wouldn't if it was the same 19:34:42 ehird, yes 19:34:47 ehird, I just checked 19:34:51 oklopol: well hey i didn't see any foreskin to that neck/arm attachment thing without a head 19:34:52 it is still like that under vista 19:34:54 was under xp too 19:34:55 i'm just going on the evidence 19:34:59 AnMaster: weird. 19:35:27 ehird, might need a computer with different host units for each port, instead of one host thingy and an internal hub 19:35:34 cheaper computers often have/had the latter 19:35:54 ehird, because I never had problems when moving between ports on the same external hub 19:35:57 i wouldn't call thinkpads "cheap" 19:35:59 more like "expensive" 19:36:02 ehird, yes 19:36:05 ehird, that was my point 19:36:06 -_- 19:36:13 ah 19:36:17 ehird, but point is, you wouldn't notice it on a *cheap* computer 19:36:47 i've never used a mouse with a driver really 19:36:57 ehird, well. other USB ones then 19:37:01 like usb memory or whatever 19:37:09 no usb sticks have drivers! 19:37:13 I never seen an USB device this *didn't* apply to 19:37:23 ehird, yes they do. the generic Mass storage driver 19:37:39 ehird, and it happens for them too... 19:37:48 hmm 19:37:50 well kay 19:38:12 ehird, it is a thingy in the task bar that pops up and says "detecting hardware....", flicks to: "installing driver", flicks to: "done" 19:38:18 oh 19:38:20 (text from memory and then translated to English) 19:38:22 well that's not really installing 19:38:26 imo 19:38:30 ehird, anyway that is what I referred to 19:38:33 that's just HEY YOU CONNECTED A DEVICE 19:38:38 which is not a useful indicator, but 19:38:41 it's not reinstalling stuff afaik 19:38:42 Every device has a driver 19:38:49 ehird, doesn't happen if you connected to *the same usb port* before 19:38:55 If you've used your mouse without a driver then the pointer on the screen hasn't moved 19:38:57 but if you *change* usb port it does it again 19:39:14 Deewiant, you know what I mean right? 19:39:19 Deewiant: i meant one that pops up the add new hardware box 19:39:22 AnMaster: Yep 19:39:39 Deewiant, and this redetecting just because you use a different usb port is very silly 19:39:47 it makes no fucking sense 19:40:41 why are there some photos on the right side of the screen in vista 19:40:43 under a clock 19:40:46 nature photos 19:40:50 change every few seconds 19:40:52 quite wtf 19:40:59 -!- jix has joined. 19:41:07 It's the sidebar or whatever it's called 19:41:17 And the default widgets that live there 19:41:26 oh. seems like a parody of the widget thingy in OS X 19:41:28 whatever the name was 19:41:38 no, it's less stupid than OS X's 19:41:42 not expose, but something like it 19:41:45 with OS X's, it is modal 19:41:47 over all other windows 19:41:50 ehird, ah true 19:41:55 so you have to go into dashboard mode, look at whatever widget you want 19:41:56 then go back 19:41:57 it's useless 19:42:00 AnMaster: Dashboard 19:42:07 vista's is *meh* 19:42:09 ehird, anyway one thing: I'm going to salvage the fonts before I delete vista 19:42:14 AnMaster: what 19:42:15 vista fonts suck 19:42:17 well 19:42:20 apart from the C* family 19:42:25 and you can get those free from microsoft.com 19:42:28 in a .cab of some kind 19:42:38 ehird, iirc you said they were better than XP ones and better tuned to Linux and Windows than the OS X ones iirc? 19:42:40 there's a script that downloads it, extracts them and puts 'em in ~/.fonts 19:42:48 uncab 19:42:51 no 19:42:53 specifically for these 19:42:55 it does it all 19:42:59 you just do $ ./vista_fonts 19:43:03 AnMaster: oh… well, 19:43:10 Vista doesn't ship with Helvetica or anything 19:43:14 ehird, "oh... well" what? 19:43:20 19:42 AnMaster: ehird, iirc you said they were better than XP ones and better tuned to Linux and Windows than the OS X ones iirc? 19:43:25 i'm not sure what this means 19:43:46 ehird, ah. well you said the OS X ones weren't suited to hinting or something like that 19:43:47 there's no good fonts on a default vista other than the C* family, which is on microsoft.com 19:43:48 was a few months ago 19:43:49 AnMaster: yes 19:43:51 but i meant 19:43:53 separate download 19:43:54 thingy 19:43:56 ah 19:44:00 fonts made for windows 19:44:09 AnMaster: anyway, you have a 1680x1050 display 19:44:16 in 15" 19:44:18 you'd be insane to hint more than "slight" 19:46:21 ehird, right 19:46:49 i mean unless you have a micrometer-thick pen and draw large letter shapes with it then look at it from a distance 19:46:52 ooh it has a built in lamp for the keyboard above the monitor 19:46:54 nifty 19:46:56 if that's your thing then i guess more would be cool 19:47:05 AnMaster: not as cool as backlit keys :D 19:47:18 ehird, true. but you can use it as an emergency reading light too 19:47:28 (why?) 19:48:00 AnMaster: why what? 19:48:34 why about what I said myself the line above 19:48:37 and I don't have a good answer 19:49:08 ah 19:49:34 Windows Update: Update 10 of 44 is installing 19:49:36 -_- 19:49:55 AnMaster: They're silly for only shipping SP1. 19:49:58 Is the keyboard any good, btw? 19:50:09 I'd assume so, but people complained when Lenovo changed the keyboards (rather expectedly). 19:50:10 ehird, quite yes 19:50:18 Apparently if you touch between two keys they sort of buckle together. 19:50:21 ehird, "expectedly? 19:50:34 ehird, they do? Not here then 19:50:38 AnMaster: take product that hasn't changed for, like, decades, try to improve it, RAAAAAAAAAAAR WHY DID YOU CHAAAAANGE IT 19:50:42 AnMaster: ok, just bullshit then 19:50:48 tested on S/D, G/H and J/K 19:51:01 how heavy is it? 19:51:04 i bet 2.5kg 19:51:08 hmm or 2.7kg 19:51:11 let's go with 2.7 19:51:13 ehird, don't know where it says it 19:51:25 and not going to take it down to weight it atm 19:51:30 :-P 19:51:30 since it is hooked up to ethernet 19:51:33 during the updates 19:51:33 guess? 19:51:40 ehird, not 19:51:46 as in. Antigravity 19:51:51 AnMaster's sense of weight is binary 19:51:55 either something's heavy, or it's not 19:52:04 A bed? Eh, about as heavy as the Eiffel tower. 19:52:18 -!- augur has joined. 19:52:22 or to quote the nomes: Aunty Gravy 19:52:32 (I assume you read those books) 19:52:35 No. 19:52:36 I didn't. 19:52:39 wtf I say 19:52:52 augur: I had a physics/coffee-related revelation but forgot. 19:52:58 ehird: :o 19:53:04 ehird, Truckers/Diggers/whatever the third one was called. By Terry Pratchett 19:53:18 oh... "Wings" I think the name of the third one was 19:53:32 truckers is almost synonymous to diggers 19:53:36 Oh, I read those. 19:53:40 oklopol, err? 19:53:43 oh 19:53:47 two different books :P 19:53:48 lol 19:53:49 ehird, then you know what I'm talking about 19:54:02 augur: Oh, but I did find something about formalizing Lojban's grammar. 19:54:12 http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/index.html 19:54:16 i thought Truckers/Diggers/whatever was a very vaguely remembered name 19:54:27 oklopol, no... 19:54:32 :) 19:54:35 well clearly not, if you read the whole sentence 19:54:44 but i don't really have the time 19:54:46 ok the size of the touchpad is a bit wth 19:54:48 ehird, ^ 19:54:50 AnMaster: big or small? 19:54:55 ehird, widepad 19:54:56 small obviously 19:54:57 :D 19:55:00 AnMaster: err 19:55:01 ehird, small and widepad 19:55:03 that's... standard 19:55:04 like 19:55:07 all laptops have wide touchpads 19:55:13 or at least all widescreen laptops 19:55:16 for obvious reasons 19:55:18 ehird, should be a bit taller though 19:55:23 /shrug 19:55:26 you just have big hands. 19:55:28 but yeah there are the trackpoint keys above 19:55:38 ehird 19:55:38 so it is a bit small too 19:55:45 its not so much about formalizing lojbans grammar 19:55:50 augur: please address me on the same line. :p 19:55:56 augur: and shush, just click the link 19:56:06 ehird: is more about handling it in well understood linguistic frameworks 19:56:13 which that page is about. 19:56:23 * AnMaster goes to configure wlan on it 19:56:26 lets see... 19:56:48 where is the MAC for the wlan in vista? 19:56:54 I use mac filter on my router 19:56:56 o_x 19:57:12 ehird, not os_x no... 19:57:24 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 19:57:24 -!- GregorR-L_ has joined. 19:57:25 "AnMaster — because people really desperately want to leech internet off of me, instead of that person without any authentication. Est. 2009." 19:57:47 AnMaster: "ipconfig /all" in the console might show you it. 19:57:48 ehird, well... when I set it up last year all networks around were using encryption too 19:57:53 fizzie, ah thanks 19:58:05 argh 19:58:13 where is the "run..." in the start menu? 19:58:17 IT'S GONE!? 19:58:51 ehird: no, that page is not about that. 19:58:54 AnMaster: Wow, and I was just talking about irrational resistance to change. 19:59:01 ehird, um... 19:59:04 ehird, what? 19:59:12 19:58 AnMaster: IT'S GONE!? 19:59:16 ehird, it isn't irrational. It just means it is a lot harder to use 19:59:20 No it's not. 19:59:22 The search field. 19:59:32 ehird, ah it works like run? 19:59:36 The space it searches in includes the filesystem, yes. 19:59:38 And enter = open. 19:59:40 ehird: how do you figure its got anything to do with existing linguistic frameworks? 19:59:49 So it's not, like, a combination; it just follows naturally from search. 19:59:56 ehird, so you can enter all the commands the same? 20:00:00 yes. 20:00:02 with parameters and such 20:00:15 augur: sec 20:00:31 augur: eh, I don't recall 20:00:35 but you complained the grammar was unreadable 20:00:40 and that was about fixing that 20:00:41 its not, dude. its all PEG crap 20:01:19 I thought you could tap the trackpoint to click 20:01:22 can't get it to work 20:01:23 AnMaster: you can. 20:01:30 AnMaster: install the drivers. 20:01:30 ehird, maybe some setting? 20:01:35 synaptic touchpad thingie. 20:01:40 maybe on a disc with your computer. 20:01:42 ehird, it comes preinstalled with lenovo's drivers 20:01:45 augur: i detect a dislike of PEG :P 20:01:49 AnMaster: go into the settings then 20:01:50 and scrolling on the side of the touchpad works 20:01:51 already 20:01:52 probably in a tray icon 20:02:03 partially, but more so, PEG is not adequate for the description of natural language grammars 20:02:05 ehird, tapping the touchpad works 20:02:09 just not the trackpoint 20:02:13 oh 20:02:13 yeah 20:02:16 still 20:02:17 tray icon 20:02:19 chop chop 20:02:29 ehird: it might be POSSIBLE, but its not /adequate/ 20:02:34 ehird, there are like 20 tray icons 20:02:37 please stand by 20:02:59 AnMaster: Nonsense! Of course tiny unlabeled icons with a huge delay before you can identify them that rearrange, appear and disappear at random is a good UI. 20:03:03 augur: /shrug 20:03:25 consider, for instance, that the core aspects of english grammar (nay, _all_ grammar) can adequately be handled by a very small (5-10) rules using a unification grammar 20:03:26 ehird, they haven't started hiding like in XP yet... 20:03:32 guess it is just a matter of time though 20:03:46 hm 20:04:02 "Hardware and sound" <-- odd category in the control panel thingy 20:04:13 HPSG's core rule set that handles the majority of english is about 4 rules in size. 20:04:32 AnMaster: Ah yes, Shakespeare's early draft: 20:04:34 and these are not rules of enormous size or complexity 20:04:44 they're very simple rules with no alternations 20:04:45 "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, 20:04:45 Creeps in this petty pace from day to day 20:04:47 To the last syllable of recorded time, 20:04:49 And all our yesterdays have lighted fools 20:04:51 The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! 20:04:53 Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player 20:04:55 That struts and frets his hour upon the stage 20:04:57 And then is heard no more: it is a tale 20:04:59 Told by an idiot, full of sound and hardware, 20:05:01 Signifying nothing." 20:05:18 That had rather more lines than I would prefer. 20:05:22 why can't you resize cmd.exe *sideways* 20:05:24 oh wait 20:05:24 Shakespeare was clearly no twitterer. 20:05:25 now I remeber 20:05:28 AnMaster: You can, in the preference thingies. 20:05:29 you couldn't in XP either 20:05:33 ehird, yeah it's silly 20:05:46 ehird: shakespeare no twitterer, or twitterers no shakespeare? 20:05:48 I should tweet Macbeth. 20:05:51 augur: Former. 20:06:10 for, if they had such wondrous things to say would they not have chosen something else? 20:07:04 2mrw*3 comes day2day 2 last part of recorded time and all days lit fools way to death 20:07:11 * AnMaster ponders how to copy the WPA-PSK key... 20:07:13 eating breakfast 20:07:19 man this toast is great 20:07:23 I can't ssh in and do it... 20:07:24 out, out brief candle!! 20:07:26 hm 20:07:31 gotta ask the chef how he made this 20:07:34 never had better toast in my life 20:07:40 imo life's like a shadow. a walking shadow. 20:07:52 okay, i said i liked the toast but this porridge is AMAZING 20:08:16 AnMaster: By the way, what is the freak mutant top three thingies in http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9297.jpg? 20:08:25 20:07 AnMaster ponders how to copy the WPA-PSK key... 20:08:32 email 20:08:46 putty 20:08:56 or that. 20:09:12 ehird 20:09:19 have you seen the size of those lojban grammar files? 20:09:39 Yes. 20:09:44 they're ridiculous! 20:09:44 The formalized grammar sucks. 20:09:46 We know this. 20:09:52 it sucks because its in PEG 20:09:59 No it's not. 20:10:03 It's in EBNF and Yacc. 20:10:05 well 20:10:07 ABNF and stuff 20:10:09 whatever :p 20:10:20 it's not PEG. 20:10:21 natural language is not CF but 20:11:00 ignoring that 20:11:31 let me give you the core, non-unbounded-dependency parts of HPSG 20:11:44 AnMaster: it must be weird having a computer you can pick up more powerful than a heavyweight thing. 20:11:45 which means the parts that handle all the simple sentences 20:11:57 ehird, err? 20:12:18 AnMaster: if the laptop is anything like the configuration i assembled it's like 10x more powerful than your sempron desktop 20:12:20 Head Feature Principle: P[HEAD a] -> H[HEAD a], ... 20:12:28 it'd weird me out :P 20:12:47 (the HEAD feature of the "head daughter" of P must unify with the HEAD feature of P 20:12:48 ) 20:13:07 (where P is any phrase, and ... denotes the other words in the phrase) 20:13:27 augur: you know, I'm not listening 20:13:47 fine :| 20:13:50 putty rocks 20:14:01 there were only two more rules, but FINE. :| 20:14:02 putty is ... pretty regular 20:14:05 augur: well fine then 20:14:08 don't wanna leave it incomplete 20:14:11 AnMaster: By the way, what is the freak mutant top three thingies in http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9297.jpg? 20:14:14 what weird things 20:14:18 -!- GregorR-L_ has quit ("Leaving"). 20:14:20 Above the actual pad. 20:14:22 Below space. 20:14:31 ehird, oh. the click buttons for the trackpoint 20:14:34 I mentioned that before 20:14:39 AnMaster: No... they're below the pad. 20:14:51 Or are there two copies, one with an additional middle click button? 20:14:53 If so, wtfstupid. 20:14:54 ehird, those are the click bottons for the trackpad 20:14:55 Valence Principle for Complements: P[COMPS <>] -> H[COMPS ] a...z 20:15:00 ehird, not sure what the middle one is for 20:15:00 AnMaster: ...they're separate? 20:15:04 That's... ridiculous. 20:15:06 ehird, there are two copies 20:15:07 yes 20:15:18 How do you scroll, anyway? Multitouch? 20:15:20 I haven't used many laptops. 20:15:21 ehird, the middle one pops up some scrolling icon on the cusor 20:15:24 Ah. 20:15:27 AnMaster: that's a windows thing 20:15:30 or rather, not inherent 20:15:34 which says a phrase P with no complement requirements is formed from the combination of the head daughter, requiring comps a...z, with the actual comps a...z 20:15:36 kay 20:15:47 ehird, the scrolling on the trackpad? 20:15:50 where is a list of feature structures that must unify with a...z 20:15:51 AnMaster: try swiping two and three fingers down at the same time 20:15:56 and finally ehird 20:15:58 you might be able to scroll that way 20:15:58 well, drag one finger right at the right side 20:16:02 that works at least 20:16:29 Valence Principle for Specifiers: P[SPR <>] -> a H[SPR ] 20:17:08 which says a phrase with no requirement for specifiers can be formed by a feature structure a, and the head daughter which requires a feature structure that unifies with a 20:18:06 sorry, those should be the Head-Complement Rule and the Head-Specifier Rule, respectively x3 20:18:25 fun it says the key isn't valid 20:18:26 wth 20:18:42 there are two more rules for non-argument modification of phrases, and for logical conjunction of phrases 20:19:01 those are relatively minor and not terribly interesting 20:19:09 ok.. found the issue 20:19:13 hidden newline at the end -_- 20:19:35 so ehird, those few rules actually handle the core of the grammar of english 20:19:44 or any language you want, really. 20:19:54 your mom too though 20:21:23 ok it seems to work fine atm... 20:21:25 the head-modifier rule is simply P -> H m[MOD H] (a phrase can look like a head followed by a modifier that requires that kind of head) 20:21:26 * AnMaster tries browser 20:21:38 * AnMaster pukes and downloads firefox 20:21:58 I don't think it's possible to hate IE 8 and prefer Firefox objectively from first click. 20:22:03 * AnMaster pukes at the new design in firefox 3.5 20:22:04 Since, y'know, they look mostly the same. 20:22:13 Oh come on. Firefox 3.5 vastly improved the UI. 20:22:19 You're just a massive conservative. 20:22:29 ehird, I still prefer the 1.5 look 20:22:31 :) 20:22:32 and the conjunction rule is P[SYN a] -> c1[SYN a]...cn[SYN a] x[HEAD conj] cn+1[SYN a] 20:22:36 As I said, you're just a massive conservative. 20:23:05 which just says a phrase with syntactic features a can have a bunch of other constituents with the same syntactic features, the last two separated by a conjunction 20:23:09 ehird, No. you claimed I was a socialist a few days ago. You can't call me right wing/conservative today 20:23:14 ;P 20:23:26 You're just inconsistent. 20:23:34 and windows is installing update 36 20:23:39 anmaster, he lives in Oceania 20:23:43 Admittedly, a socialist who's also rigidly opposed to change is also an idiot, but that's nothing new. 20:23:49 augur, what is that a reference too 20:23:50 to* 20:23:52 ... 20:23:53 AnMaster: … 20:23:55 Wow. 20:23:56 Stop talking now. 20:23:58 Like… forever. 20:24:06 Maybe an extra day on top of that too. 20:24:13 oh you mean 20:24:14 right 20:24:22 Australia and the islands around there 20:24:24 I remember how to use Google now. 20:24:27 … 20:24:28 not used to that name in Swedish 20:24:29 Or, not. 20:24:29 ehird, ^ 20:24:35 yes, thats precisely what i mean, anmaster. 20:24:36 Yeah, that. 20:24:45 augur, right 20:25:21 ehird lives in britain, one of the larger islands in the austropolynesian islands. 20:25:53 LONG LIVE L10N UNDER WINDOWS 20:26:05 * pikhq was unaware that Britain was austropolynesian 20:26:16 now I have a dir called C:\Program Files but shown as C:\Program. And one that is actually named C:\Program 20:26:20 both exists side by side 20:26:21 -_- 20:26:32 pikhq: its part of oceania, therefore it must be! 20:26:59 augur: Hahah. 20:29:31 ehird, what do you think of this wtf? 20:29:52 now it reboots for updates 20:29:54 *yawn* 20:29:55 bbl 20:30:49 can't find key for bios settings hm 20:30:50 where 20:31:10 * AnMaster guesses and press the usual ones 20:31:17 (Del, F*) 20:31:35 hm nop 20:32:18 also, I created a new account and set the first one to normal user now 20:33:16 clearly, Oceania has always been at war with Sweden. 20:35:58 oh it is F1 but it doesn't list it 20:36:04 great! 20:37:13 huh it lists a parallel port? *looks at the computer* 20:37:22 *finds none* 20:37:47 the computer *does* seem to have a serial port though. Or maybe some mini vga 20:37:56 ah mini vga or whatever 20:38:02 there is a display symbol at it 20:38:39 ew vga 20:38:50 ehird, or dvi 20:38:53 I don't know 20:38:58 it isn't the usual size of either anyway 20:39:03 it's smaller 20:39:11 mini-dvi? 20:39:16 wait 20:39:18 that's an apple thing 20:39:24 well was 20:39:32 ehird, well it isn't the same shape as the apple mini dvi 20:39:36 which I have seen 20:39:42 a bit like vga, but smaller 20:39:49 take a pic (your screen w/ camera can bend and rotate arbitrarily right?) 20:40:32 * AnMaster sets up bios password 20:41:01 ooh it has a setting for VT_d 20:41:02 err 20:41:06 VT-d 20:41:20 which seems to be for I/O virtualization 20:41:21 all non-entry-level intel chips and all amd chips have virtualization 20:41:30 ehird, yes but *IO* such 20:41:31 (intel entry = celeron) 20:41:35 ? 20:41:54 ehird, as opposed to just CPU VT 20:42:01 IOMMU 20:42:03 odd 20:42:11 what? 20:42:14 Chipset feature. 20:42:24 ... Supported by most every chipset. 20:42:29 pikhq, ah 20:44:02 ehird: It virtualises the hardware interrupt table and the DMA controller in hardware. 20:44:19 okay 20:46:03 -!- atrapado has quit ("Abandonando"). 20:46:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 20:48:16 ehird, btw, this does have the fingerprint thing. Not that I'm going to use it 20:48:22 since that would be insecure 20:48:29 it can't -lessen- security 20:48:48 ehird, yes it can, compare: boot by fingerprint or boot by password 20:49:00 that's not using fingerprints 20:49:01 "require both" doesn't seem to be an option in the bios 20:49:07 that's using fingerprints and dropping passwords 20:49:12 ehird, yes. 20:49:13 which is not the same as using fingerprints 20:49:18 ehird, agreed 20:49:47 i'll be the first in line for a brain implant which carries around an authentication key for me 20:49:50 anyway setup bios setup password and boot password now 20:49:56 ehird, someone will hack it :D 20:50:00 well maybe second in line 20:50:05 wouldn't want to risk it after all 20:50:11 AnMaster: it'd work like gpg 20:50:19 all they could do is steal a message signed by you 20:50:27 or encrypted by you 20:50:29 and, uhh, big deal :P 20:50:34 *pgp; gpg is an implementation 20:50:35 ehird, side channel attack 20:50:36 as in 20:50:41 watching your toilet 20:50:42 :D 20:50:49 yeah i don't see people doing that :-P 20:50:57 hacking poop would be a fun job though 20:50:58 ooh what is this button 20:51:00 shiny 20:51:02 * AnMaster looks 20:51:05 AnMaster: "Launch missiles" 20:51:10 "Power off"? 20:51:13 ehird, sadly much more boring... PC card ejection thingy 20:51:17 "Be shiny" 20:51:21 It commands the button to be shiny. 20:51:24 Heh 20:51:32 oh windows vista is *configuring* the updates now 20:51:36 it installed them before rebootinbg 20:51:37 You can keep pressing it and it'll still be shiny. 20:51:39 booting* 20:51:49 Also, having fingerprint thingy highers the risk that someone who REALLY need to get into your computer cuts of your finger? 20:52:02 hahaha 20:52:06 Also, MythBusters sez "fingerprint scanners suck. A lot." 20:52:07 Hey, good point. 20:52:09 Put the password first. 20:52:10 FireFly, it is easy to fake it anyway 20:52:11 GregorR: No shit. 20:52:14 Nobody uses them. 20:52:29 s/of/off/ 20:52:30 FireFly, just need something I touched. and a laserprinter 20:52:30 iirc 20:52:36 Oh 20:52:36 oh and some glue iirc 20:52:54 FireFly, anyway, point is: fingerprints aren't very secure 20:53:01 Probably not, yeah 20:53:04 ask ehird for a link 20:53:10 he provided one some days ago 20:53:12 or was it weeks 20:53:13 anyway 20:53:14 FireFly: ask google for a link 20:53:16 something 20:53:18 AnMaster: months, prolly 20:53:20 since i've forgotten 20:53:20 heh 20:53:23 well okay i don't remember weeks either 20:53:23 ehird, right 20:53:31 or for that matter a significant quantity of days 20:53:44 i should start using a super-quick note-taking application; my memory is rather volatile 20:53:49 Or maybe an amount of hours? 20:53:53 Or seconds, even? 20:54:05 FireFly: sorry, did you say something? 20:54:11 :P 20:54:42 At least IRC has the benefit of logs 20:54:56 Real life needs public logging 20:55:01 ok: don't rename user you are logged in as 20:55:04 Maybe not too much logging 20:55:06 it fucks up the desktop bg 20:55:08 for some reasonj 20:55:10 reason* 20:55:27 Why would that affect the bg? :\ 20:55:32 Strange OS is strange 20:55:32 FireFly, no clue 20:55:36 it's vista 20:55:45 It's strange, that's what I said, yeah 20:55:56 indeed 20:56:10 AnMaster: directory 20:56:19 Oh, right 20:56:19 or registry 20:56:20 path not updated 20:56:23 presumably 20:56:23 right 20:56:23 Could be that 20:56:24 sucks 20:56:32 AnMaster: i've never heard of it before sooooo 20:56:45 well i broke xp one time by renaming a user i think 20:56:50 but i just made a new user 20:57:32 ehird, currently logged in one was the issue 20:58:06 and yeah I think it was registry that failed 21:00:34 Apparently you can buy dried bull penis as a chew toy for dogs. 21:00:59 Hawt. 21:01:04 waioty 21:01:06 what 21:01:07 another update 21:01:12 I thought it was done last time 21:01:18 but now it is downloading another two updates 21:01:19 wth 21:01:34 You are a bit, a service pack and a bit behind. 21:01:45 ehird, oh 21:01:46 right 21:01:57 ehird, didn't you forgot one comma there 21:02:01 forget* 21:02:07 The Oxford comma is not standard, no. 21:02:09 I do sometimes use it. 21:02:18 err not that 21:02:24 I thought it was: 21:02:25 Where? 21:02:33 You are a bit (a service pack and a bit) behind." 21:02:37 Ah. 21:02:52 s/"// 21:03:25 ehird, btw about that suspend thing: did you mean it suspends to disk and to ram, and it case of battery running out it is still possible to wake it from disk? 21:03:38 or do you mean it ends suspend to ram too after a few minutes? 21:03:46 the former I found out how to do 21:03:50 the latter: no clue 21:04:19 windows is shutting down it says 21:04:22 AnMaster: it does suspend-to-ram, then while it sits there, writes to disk 21:04:23 then shuts off 21:04:27 but the disk light is going like mad 21:04:31 well it might not shut off 21:04:32 I don't konw 21:04:35 it doesn't matter 21:04:35 ehird, hm ok... don't know how to do that 21:04:38 since it's like 0.1 watt 21:04:48 but there's no reason to just do regular suspend to ram 21:04:52 and suspend to disk just takes years 21:04:59 anyway I read on thinkwiki that disabling WOL can save quite a bit 21:05:09 which is interesting 21:05:14 why would a laptop need WOL anyway 21:05:32 ehird, ^ 21:05:41 Because they use regular chipsets + some stuff. 21:05:42 Why not? 21:05:46 hm ok 21:05:49 AnMaster: people use laptops as machines on a desk 21:05:50 with wires 21:05:58 ooh I found the ultrabay ejection thingy 21:06:16 it is like a small lever that pops out a thingy that you use to pull out the drive 21:06:31 heh 21:06:33 err not lever 21:06:38 it is like a sliding thingy 21:06:39 more 21:07:04 brb 21:08:24 Fn-space is mapped it seems 21:08:27 not sure to WHAT 21:08:38 but really they are running out of keys soon 21:08:48 why doesn't desktops have that Fn key 21:13:12 * AnMaster hooks bluetooth up to his phone 21:18:25 where is "My computer" on the desktop 21:18:28 or rather 21:18:33 where is the setting to activate it 21:19:10 AnMaster: Right-click desktop -> personalize -> change desktop icons 21:20:00 Deewiant, *looks in Swedish windows* 21:20:01 err 21:20:04 personalize? 21:20:06 can't find that 21:20:13 It's the bottom one here 21:20:18 Under "New ->" 21:20:29 Deewiant, oh you meant in the right click menu 21:20:33 I was already past that 21:20:47 ok 21:20:53 seems lenovo replaced the computer icon 21:20:57 Yeah, "x -> y" tends to imply that y is under x 21:21:12 with the outline of a laptop in a black circle 21:21:14 what the hell 21:22:00 That can presumably be changed, don't ask me how 21:26:58 something is accessing the disk very bussily 21:27:01 I have no idea what 21:28:16 procmon will tell you if you care 21:28:18 ok it managed to go to rest when I wanted to shut down very strange 21:28:21 It's probably the search indexer 21:28:33 hm ok 21:28:36 Like an updatedb that constantly runs in the background at low priority 21:28:53 I disabled the service after it was still going after a couple of months, it started to annoy me 21:29:15 hah 21:29:36 since a laptop isn't always on, cron won't work well 21:29:37 hrrm 21:30:05 I never really search for anything anyway 21:30:43 how do you get the classical windows login dialog btw? Like "Press Ctrl-Alt-Del to login" 21:30:53 I knew how under XP but... 21:31:00 Beats me, I have this remember my password so I don't get a dialog 21:31:29 Deewiant, insecure 21:31:49 If somebody gets on this machine everything is lost anyway 21:31:59 I really don't care at that point whether they can login or not :-P 21:32:54 ok fixed the icons 21:33:00 was just change the theme to the standard one 21:33:07 then change back the desktop bg 21:33:11 to a sane plain colour 21:34:14 why does it beep loudly when you plug/unplug power 21:34:21 as in, single tone bios beep 21:34:26 rather than windows sound 21:34:34 I dunno, mine doesn't :-P 21:35:41 Deewiant, how do you disable the index thingy 21:35:55 Control panel -> services IIRC 21:36:17 Alternatively windows explorer has the search settings 21:36:35 Not sure which one, or is it both 21:40:22 ok scary. The think admin utils doesn't seem to need you to auth as an admin 21:40:35 back 21:40:41 21:08 AnMaster: why doesn't desktops have that Fn key 21:40:43 they di 21:41:13 d? 21:41:21 ehird, they do? 21:41:34 yep: 21:41:41 ehird, not most 21:41:46 http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/gallery/wired_4_20090306.jpg and http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/gallery/wireless_1_20070813.jpg 21:41:49 AnMaster: all macs 21:41:57 ehird, not most non-macs 21:41:58 except mac pros 21:42:02 for mac pros, you have the option of http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/gallery/wired_1_20070813.jpg 21:42:05 which has no fn 21:42:13 AnMaster: macs are like 10% of the market, soo 21:42:20 that's a substantial portion with fn 21:42:39 But without other modifier keys, so :-P 21:42:52 Deewiant: Eh? 21:43:03 I don't see alt or altgr 21:43:11 Deewiant: Option. 21:43:16 Windows key, then? 21:43:18 Apple = Windows. 21:43:22 haha 21:43:24 (the place of interest sign) 21:43:27 the hoopy thing. 21:43:35 `addquote Apple = Windows. 21:43:36 52| Apple = Windows. 21:43:36 Then there's no menu key 21:43:46 Deewiant: thank god for that 21:43:48 You're missing at least one there :-P 21:43:50 ehird, was great out of context :D 21:43:53 the menu key is terribly useless 21:43:58 also, you can get kbs without it 21:43:59 Not if you remap it 21:44:00 sooo 21:44:01 anyway 21:44:07 desktop != pc that's totally windowsy 21:44:11 ehird, useful, since you remap it to the super key 21:44:20 AnMaster: no, you remap command to thta 21:44:21 that 21:44:23 Windows is the super key 21:44:25 oh wait, no remapping 21:44:27 it already is that. 21:44:27 I used menu as compose 21:44:37 anyway, fn control option command shift 21:44:39 Deewiant, ah 21:44:42 if i wanted more i'd kill myself 21:44:43 what about meta then 21:44:48 AnMaster: option, duh 21:44:52 = alt 21:45:05 oh right 21:45:08 On this keyboard I've got two unmapped modifier keys 21:45:18 Which I could use for something but haven't bothered to figure out what 21:45:31 http://www.ap.org/media/images/APnewsregistry.jpg 21:45:31 Let's make bits uncopiable. This way, our outdated, useless business model can be jerked off some more. 21:45:37 Yep 21:45:43 That was a bit weak 21:45:48 What was? 21:45:52 The image or my commentary? 21:45:56 The image 21:45:58 yah 21:46:28 Yes, because DRM worked so well for the music companies. 21:47:30 why do they ship a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit system 21:47:33 that makes no sense 21:47:44 More compatible 21:47:55 Deewiant, ... 64-bit OSes can run 32-bit code 21:48:02 for x86_64 at least 21:48:06 so that makes no sense 21:48:07 Not drivers 21:48:19 Not /all/ drivers, rather 21:48:22 AnMaster: Because a lot of Windows driver authors hate writing 64-bit drivers. 21:48:23 Deewiant, microkernel and have drivers in userspace 21:48:37 pikhq, not a huge difference? 21:48:37 AnMaster: Windows. 21:48:39 Yeaaah, let's write our own microkernel OS so we can run a 64-bit OS here 21:48:43 ... not 21:48:51 Deewiant: NT is nominally a microkernel OS. 21:48:51 Deewiant, :P 21:49:01 Nominally :-P 21:49:02 (I say "nominally" because its microkernel is not that micro) 21:49:06 Yep 21:49:14 Microkernels suck. 21:49:14 pikhq, and it is nominally POSIX compatible too 21:49:26 ehird, you think QNZ sucks? 21:49:26 Many drivers for Vista and up are in userspace. 21:49:29 QNX* 21:49:35 AnMaster: With Interix, more than nominally. 21:49:38 I don't know why you seem to love QNX so much. 21:49:52 Unfortunately, some of the software on it is outdated. 21:50:00 To fix that, you can install Gentoo Prefix on it. 21:50:20 pikhq, Interix? 21:50:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix 21:50:36 To fix that, you can install Gentoo Prefix on it. <-- ARGH 21:50:38 Microsoft's POSIX subsystem. 21:50:40 Gentoo/Windows? 21:50:44 Yes. 21:50:50 that's more wth than Gentoo/FreeBSD 21:51:05 You can also install Debian on it. 21:51:07 pikhq, not an official project I guess? 21:51:16 Hooray for Debian/kFreeBSD. 21:51:24 Gentoo/Windows? Official Gentoo project. 21:51:31 pikhq, if I did debian I would get *MORE* outdated 21:51:33 not *LESS* 21:51:36 Considered "beta", like the rest of Gentoo Prefix, but. 21:51:46 AnMaster: Debian unstable is cutting edge. 21:51:47 and unlike gmail 21:51:47 Also, stable. 21:51:49 AnMaster: ... GCC 2? 21:51:50 ehird, true 21:52:06 pikhq, oh ok 21:52:08 good point 21:52:09 what 21:52:11 GCC 2? 21:52:13 really? 21:52:16 Interix is fucking outdated. 21:52:26 so's your mom 21:52:36 That's why you install a different userspace on there. 21:52:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix claims it uses 3.3 21:52:37 ? 21:52:48 Oh, they updated. 21:53:08 Debian Stable is really rather up-to-date these days, though. 21:53:28 Tends to ship versions of GCC before Gentoo. XD 21:54:15 Gentoo is rather slow these days. 21:54:34 Gentoo is rather suck……… all days. 21:54:51 ok.. "ThinkVantage System Update" (some Lenovo thingy) wants to update bios 21:54:57 hm interesting 21:55:47 how? no floppy? 21:56:00 or don't you need that nowdays? 21:56:42 Presumably it has instructions you can follow? 21:56:58 AnMaster: CD-Rom or USB stick. 21:57:00 seems to just install it with no need for going outside windows 21:57:01 And no, you don't always need that nowadays 21:57:03 *ROM 21:57:04 scary 21:57:12 AnMaster: Zomg! You can do things at kernel-level. 21:57:16 "Scary". 21:57:26 augur: you were arguing for a simulation hypothesis right? 21:58:03 wat 21:58:14 universe being simulated. 21:59:19 ok nice update listing 21:59:31 categories: Critical, Recommended, Optional, Extra, Additional 21:59:32 augur: no? 21:59:37 what is the difference between the last three? 21:59:55 It's Windows. Abandon all logic, ye who enter here. 21:59:58 AnMaster: categories: Maybe This Would Be a Good One, Actually If You Don't Want It That's Fine, Uhh I Think You Might Want This One 22:00:14 ehird, quite 22:00:28 Optional is for crap like dreamscene 22:00:38 Additional has stuff like language packs 22:00:41 I forget what comes in Extra 22:01:13 Deewiant, no it is in the lenovo update tool 22:01:16 not in windows update 22:01:27 Meanwhile, http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yoshi-keys.jpg 22:01:36 Meh 22:01:38 extra and additional are both empty 22:01:42 Well, windows update has something similar 22:01:49 Deewiant, kay 22:01:53 Too many categories anyways 22:01:59 (More than 2) 22:02:13 ehird: Well, that's one kind of plug adapter. 22:02:22 GregorR: It's a HARDCORE plug adapter. 22:02:35 Deewiant, I'm fine with Critical/Recommended/Optional 22:02:44 but apart from that all seems unneeded 22:02:54 and not sure what the point of "optional" is in a update tool 22:03:07 since that indicates *we want you to install a new software you didn't have before* 22:03:58 which is not "updating" as such 22:05:51 btw I don't seethe point of that keyboard light atm... it is dark and the screen itself gives enough light 22:06:21 because you turn down the screen backlight e.g. to read a book on screen 22:06:34 ok cool they have a "zoom screen" thingy on one Fn key combo 22:06:45 you know what? it just changes screen resolution 22:06:52 "cool" was sarcastic 22:06:54 Heh. 22:07:10 I'm surprised you're able to use the screen; Windows defaults to 96dpi. Everything'll be so itty bitty. 22:07:26 ehird, it seems they set it up to right DPI in advance 22:07:34 I doubt it 22:07:39 That generally makes windows iffy 22:07:45 It doesn't handle non-96 dpis well. 22:07:58 ok correct 22:08:03 they set the font sizes 22:08:12 ouch 22:08:21 ehird, actually doesn't look too bad 22:08:33 not as good as proper system-wide dpi settings 22:08:44 well true 22:09:08 ehird, it isn't like I will use windows much. But it was good that I did, or I would have missed the BIOS update 22:09:20 I'd just wipe it altogether. Takes up space. 22:09:32 hmm, I wonder if Arch has a freetype package with the BCI 22:09:52 ehird, I will wipe it once the bios update is installed 22:09:58 there is a recovery cd included 22:10:00 [[The Pre is now telling your computer that the vendor who made it is Apple. The change here is that with previous versions of webOS, the Vendor ID was “0 × 0830 (Palm Inc.).†So while previously the Pre identified itself as a “mass storage device†called an iPod, now it’s identifying itself as a “mass storage device manufactured by Apple†called an iPod.]] 22:10:23 Palm: Turns out we're fucked up financially. Let's be like Kim Jong-Il and launch our nukes! 22:10:33 Apple: Stop that. *fixes iTunes* 22:10:40 Palm: *shove* I DIDN'T SHOVE YOU 22:10:42 Apple: … 22:11:10 hahahaha 22:11:13 [[This is a direct violation of the USB licensing agreement. But, in what can only be described as true chutzpah, Palm has preemptively filed a complaint against Apple to the USB Implementors Forum, accusing Apple of misusing the USB Vendor ID. ]] 22:11:28 ehird, err 22:11:29 what 22:11:30 Palm: Not only did I not shove you, you shoved me! 22:11:37 AnMaster: I don't know either 22:11:40 Palm appear to be on crack 22:11:58 indeed 22:12:11 ehird, is itunes locked to ipods? 22:12:16 No. 22:12:23 then why do they want to do that 22:12:25 But Palm aren't happy with being classed as a regular device. 22:12:34 So they pose as an iPod to get features that iTunes only does for iPods. 22:12:40 ehird, like? 22:12:46 I'm not sure. 22:13:04 Anyway, apparently users find a separate syncing application totally unacceptable. 22:13:09 Which is why every other phone ever has one. 22:13:11 Uhh, wait. 22:13:19 handheld? 22:13:25 AnMaster: ? 22:13:44 ehird, phone or hand held computer 22:13:54 or both? 22:13:59 AnMaster: Both; they're called smartphones. 22:14:04 ehird, ah those 22:14:10 newfangled stuff 22:14:11 :P 22:14:16 Yeah, like 2004 new. 22:14:28 ehird, yeah. Ask me again in 2024 22:14:41 Tons of Nokia phones... iPhone... T-Mobile G1 (aka Google Phone)... 22:14:44 Every Palm phone ever 22:14:48 Every Windows Mobile phone ever 22:14:59 etc 22:15:09 http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/why_did_no_one_inform_us_of_the 22:15:25 I cannot believe Yu Wan Mei would release their tight but benevolent grip on The Onion! 22:15:29 Is it no longer fish time?! 22:15:51 Is, perhaps, robustness now AVOIDABLE with the consumption of Yu Wan Mei products? 22:18:01 ehird, very strange joke... 22:18:36 AnMaster: Are you perhaps questioning the undeniable wisdom & infallibility of Yu Wan Mei corporation and the Chinese government? 22:18:38 great... windows update wants me to restart while lenovo update is installing stuff 22:18:48 Well, sit there and refuse to answer it. 22:21:18 ok it decided to reboot anyway 22:21:20 not sure what did 22:21:31 might have been windows or lenvo *shrug* 22:21:40 Windows is all about the reboots. 22:21:50 Incidentally, I find it queer how long this is taking. 22:21:58 anyway it was saying installing updated wifi driver 22:22:01 so at worst that will break 22:22:05 not likely bios will break 22:22:37 A Linux laptop that's two major releases behind would be updated in, what, half an hour? An old Mac laptop, about 20 minutes. 22:23:01 (Well, apart from the major OS X release boundary; but Linux updates are far more incremental so the minors are more a applicable analogy) 22:23:07 But this Windows thing? What's it been, 3-4 hours? 22:23:32 3-4 hours is an unreasonable update length even for Gentoo. 22:24:06 And the worst part about it is that Windows doesn't have an automated update process. 22:24:15 You need to hand-hold Windows through it. 22:24:21 I'd make a policy to only buy laptops with Linux or OS X on them, but System76 unfortunately don't ship to the UK. 22:24:33 ehird, 3 or 4 hours yes 22:24:36 and it isn't done yet 22:24:54 Also System76 laptops are kinda… heavy; their first 15" starts at 2.6kg. 22:25:09 ehird, that isn't too bad 22:25:20 I had a 12" one a few years ago that was close to 3 kg 22:25:22 Yes, but that's e.g. with one stick of RAM. 22:25:24 but yeah it was around 1999 or so 22:25:26 And a one-platter HD. 22:25:33 and a mac 22:25:36 And no extra battery thingy. 22:25:37 a first model ibook 22:25:41 etc, etc. 22:26:05 AnMaster: Mac laptops are ridiculously light nowadays 22:26:33 The 17" MacBook Pro is 2.99kg. 22:26:49 ok... there is a strange entry in the lenvo meny that roughly translates to "make system younger"... right below update system 22:26:56 :-D 22:26:56 * AnMaster doesn't dare to click on it 22:26:58 AnMaster: system restore? 22:27:03 http://imgur.com/w3mLP&7R8oCl <- OK... 22:27:07 ehird, nah, that is one post below that! 22:27:08 AnMaster: anyway, why do you use swedish operating systems? 22:27:15 i thought you said you only knew tech terms in english 22:27:28 Asztal: Did it come with your BOOTLOADER?!?!?! 22:27:29 ehird, well. windows was in Swedish 22:27:32 Buying a system in Sweden generally gets you a Swedish OS 22:27:34 ehird, not much of a choice then? 22:27:38 AnMaster: ah, right 22:27:57 ehird, actually Windows asked if I wanted to use Swedish, Finnish or Spanish at first boot 22:28:03 English was not an option 22:28:05 What an odd choice. 22:28:06 it said I couldn't change latter 22:28:09 Is Spanish common in Sweden or something? 22:28:11 You should've gone Finnish, it's much better 22:28:12 but yeah I selected Swedish 22:28:13 ehird, nop 22:28:16 I know there's a substantial amount of Finns; i.e. Torvalds. 22:28:21 Deewiant, can't read that 22:28:32 hmm, wait 22:28:35 Torvalds is the other way around 22:28:39 a Swedish-speaker in Finland 22:28:54 still those countries kinda blend together know what i mean :D 22:28:57 ehird, well yeah Finnish makes sense. You could even imagine Swedish/Finnish/Dannish/Norwegian for some sort of "generic Scandinavian pre-install" 22:29:03 but Spannish? Huh? 22:29:11 Spannnnnnish. 22:29:19 typoish 22:29:26 I can see English/Spanish. I can see Swedish/Finnish/Danish/Norwegian. 22:29:42 I can't see Swedish/Finnish/Spanish. 22:29:45 AnMaster: Si taht wenh uyo sepak lkei tihs? 22:30:20 Sí 22:30:25 ah no it didn't install those things 22:30:29 it just rebooted anyway 22:30:36 so another 13 lenovo updates to install 22:30:39 ehird, what? 22:30:43 See, sí, it's OK on the sea. 22:30:57 AnMaster: Typoish for "Is that when you speak like this?" 22:31:17 I can't see Swedish/Finnish/Spanish. <-- I could. I saw the damn list! 22:31:33 I did have to read it twice to convince myself though 22:31:34 pikhq has some weird mental blocks. 22:31:37 pikhq: can you see this? fnord 22:31:59 Hey, where's the fnord-bot 22:32:06 Deewiant: Which? 22:32:09 I don't think we've ever had one. 22:32:12 But it sounds fun. 22:32:13 fungot of course 22:32:14 pikhq: can you see this? <-- don't be silly, you think he is blind or something? 22:32:15 fungot 22:32:16 fnord fnord fnord 22:32:19 fizzie, fix fungot 22:32:26 oerjan: :-D 22:32:26 oerjan, :D 22:32:32 ehird, HAH I was faster! 22:32:37 not here! 22:32:40 ehird, meh 22:32:42 Off by a second here 22:32:42 but here I was 22:32:48 !echo I have usurped fungot! 22:32:49 Deewiant, so I was faster there then? 22:32:50 I have usurped fungot! 22:32:52 14:32:26 oerjan: :-D 22:32:52 14:32:26 oerjan, :D 22:32:53 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.24 22:32:54 No, slow by a second 22:32:55 End of story 22:32:58 2009-07-25 00:32:25 ( ehird) oerjan: :-D 22:32:58 2009-07-25 00:32:26 ( AnMaster) oerjan, :D 22:32:59 Deewiant, meh- 22:33:02 hee 22:33:06 both were same second here 22:33:11 and client says 0.01s lag 22:33:23 ehird, same tiem 22:33:24 time* 22:33:28 yes 22:33:32 well _i_ saw ehird first and clearly that is what counts 22:33:33 but Deewiant's was one second before 22:33:39 you're the only one to report being first 22:33:44 and Deewiant has shown two different times 22:33:45 sooooooooooo 22:33:50 AnMaster: anyway, the lag for your messages are inherently 0s 22:34:04 ehird, err? 22:34:11 0s. 22:34:13 vs 0.01s 22:34:19 yours has an advantage 22:34:21 inherently 22:34:45 ok why can't windows ask all the "supplemental licenses" at the start 22:34:48 like OS X does 22:34:56 rather than when each update is installing 22:35:18 Hey, at least you can install the OS in one go these days 22:35:21 0.01s is so lagom 22:35:30 Deewiant, huh? you couldn't before? 22:35:40 Deewiant, I even installed windows 98 22:35:43 AnMaster: iTunes on OS X gives you the EULA when you start it up after an upgrade 22:35:44 and I don't remember such issues 22:35:44 With XP I got used to planning it; in 30 minutes it'll ask about they keyboard layout, an hour after that about a license, half hour after that it'll want a user account name 22:35:46 which is irritating 22:35:49 yes lots of questions 22:35:52 dmgs with licenses don't do that though 22:35:57 ehird, they should provide diffs 22:36:11 i don't think you can legally agree to a diff 22:36:11 Deewiant, hm ok 22:36:15 When I hadn't yet got used to planning it it was really annoyng 22:36:18 ehird, hah 22:36:23 Deewiant: nLite or whatever. 22:36:27 That thing that lets you script installs. 22:36:28 Go away for two hours and realize it's only 20% done and waiting to know what keyboard layout to use 22:36:43 ehird, Windows Scripted Install Toolkit thingy thingy? 22:36:46 no 22:36:47 unofficial 22:36:52 you gave it parameters, pretty much anything 22:36:53 ehird, there was an official one too 22:36:54 even skipping IE 22:37:01 and it burned an install disk 22:37:16 ehird: nlite wasn't always out 22:37:21 True. 22:37:21 ehird, skipping IE = breaking windows update back then 22:37:25 AnMaster: No. 22:37:28 There's a firefox plugin for it. 22:37:32 heh! 22:37:33 AnMaster: More pertinently, it broke help. 22:37:38 And, I think, explorer.exe. 22:37:39 haha 22:37:39 And I can't always be bothered to burn another disc just for an unattended install 22:37:42 ehird, ouch 22:37:42 And everything else. 22:37:45 yeah 22:37:45 I did use it at least once, though 22:37:54 Microsoft weren't actually bullshitting when they said IE was integrated. 22:37:56 Help doesn't matter 22:38:00 They just used the HTML component in a fuckload of places. 22:38:01 I always disable the help service 22:38:02 Deewiant: Yes, it does. 22:38:09 Deewiant, same 22:38:11 Unless you're uber-leet and just click things to find out what they do. 22:38:22 The help is useless 99% of the time anyway 22:38:26 Sure. 22:38:32 "ThinkPad Video Features(Intel GM45)" <-- huh? 22:38:36 interesting update name 22:38:39 AnMaster: video card. 22:38:39 spelled like that 22:38:42 missing the space too 22:38:42 Deewiant: That's cause Windows software sucks. 22:38:46 i think people who aren't lawyers shouldn't be allowed to accept EULAs and such things without passing a small test that they have understood it. this should nicely force the industry to simplify the stuff to something sane. 22:38:48 AnMaster: Chinese company. 22:38:50 ehird, yes but what is the "Features" bit there for 22:38:57 AnMaster: Chinese company. 22:39:01 ehird, ah 22:39:03 oerjan: The test is often that you've scrolled down to the bottom 22:39:16 Deewiant: It worked before we figured out how to drag scrollbars! 22:39:18 ehird, the "lenovo update" thingy is in mixed English and Swedish 22:39:25 ehird: Yes, i.e. never 22:39:35 Deewiant: Maybe Windows 1! 22:39:47 Hmm, wait. 22:39:48 DOS had it. 22:39:49 hm 22:39:51 rather 22:39:53 like: 22:40:06 "please state which of these alternatives is true for this EULA" 22:40:10 and provide three alternatives 22:40:19 maybe 4-5 questions like that 22:40:23 noo 22:40:26 outlaw multi choice! 22:40:52 oh god I hate updates starting an installer you have to click through 22:41:03 Get used to it :-P 22:41:07 Why are you updating Windows instead of wiping it? 22:41:19 I was just wondering that myself 22:41:25 ehird, for the bios update. You couldn't select it without selecting all the critical windows updates too 22:41:28 If you're going to wipe it anyway 22:41:30 which is quite wtf 22:41:37 AnMaster: Download it manually from the site… 22:41:38 Erm 22:41:39 Yeah 22:41:41 ehird, maybe 22:41:49 * ehird whacks AnMaster with a cluebat 22:42:00 ehird, have to find where though 22:42:10 lenovo.com, biosmanufacturer.com 22:42:27 http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/product.do?doctypeind=9&template=%2Fproductselection%2Flandingpages%2FdownloadsDriversLandingPage.vm&sitestyle=lenovo 22:42:30 Downloads and drivers. 22:42:30 anyway... it is almost done 22:44:16 wait 22:44:25 "BIOS flash utility": 22:44:30 Select one of the following tasks: 22:44:37 ( ) Update ThinkPad BIOS 22:44:41 ( ) Update model number 22:44:43 huh? 22:44:45 lol 22:44:51 ( ) Transmogrify system 22:44:52 ( ) Update your mom 22:45:12 * AnMaster chances on the first one 22:45:23 What "huh", isn't that rather self-explanatory 22:45:28 no 22:45:32 what the fuck is updating model number 22:45:55 You can set the model number 22:46:01 ...what? 22:46:08 This only makes sense to you, Deewiant. 22:46:19 * AnMaster agrees with Deewiant 22:46:27 err 22:46:29 with ehird 22:46:32 lol 22:46:33 but that was hard to say 22:46:46 also I didn't want universe to collapse 22:46:52 I guess 22:46:54 anyway 22:46:56 AnMaster agrees with ehird? 22:46:57 OMG 22:47:00 yes 22:47:01 The universe is going to end! 22:47:07 You know, the serial number in the BIOS 22:47:08 it's happened like 30 times 22:47:13 he just hasn't vigorously agreed yet 22:47:18 Deewiant: "Update", not change. 22:47:22 Also, why on earth would you want to? 22:47:24 What purpose has that? 22:47:25 Why is it there? 22:47:26 What? 22:47:28 Huh? 22:47:29 If it's been set incorrectly? 22:47:29 ?? 22:47:31 ? 22:47:33 How? 22:47:35 http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=10482 22:47:37 Also, why does it matter? 22:47:39 There's a case where somebody needed it 22:47:47 "I think it's definitely the IBM service's fault. They haven't entered the machine type number and the system unit serial number when they replaced the mobo. Call them, and they are going to fix in a few days. " 22:47:53 lets see what happens now 22:47:55 Okay, so you understand it because YOU'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH IT. 22:47:59 No, I haven't 22:48:02 I've never seen that before 22:48:07 Then you're just insane. 22:48:08 But it's FUCKING OBVIOUS 22:48:11 No 22:48:12 It's really not 22:48:24 ehird, it might be related to that "make system younger"? 22:48:25 Reading "update" as "change" is not really a humongous leap of logic 22:48:42 Deewiant: it's a very awkward sentence 22:48:49 AnMaster: No, that just applies anti-aging cream to the heatsink. 22:48:56 *heatsinks, rather 22:48:56 Only a bit IMO 22:48:56 . 22:49:02 s/\n\././ 22:49:07 Deewiant: I'm a native speaker, QED :-P 22:49:09 So's GregorR. 22:49:16 2.5 vs 0.5. 22:49:39 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/update 22:49:39 Nuh uh. I speak American. That's ENGLISH. 22:49:42 ok bios rebooted itself a few times then booted as normal 22:49:46 whatever 22:49:47 2. Computers. to incorporate new or more accurate information in (a database, program, procedure, etc.). 22:50:01 Deewiant: It was awkward. You cannot dispute something's awkwardness by citing a dictionary. 22:50:11 It was so awkward, in fact, that we needed clarification to understand it. 22:50:22 Retain usage of the word 'update' and make it less awkward 22:50:38 No, that's a pointless exercise. 22:50:53 would making the system younger be updating or downdating, i wonder 22:50:55 Here's how I would phrase it: "Fix our retarded incompetence that we bundled a fix to with a totally unrelated update" 22:51:22 That's a different issue :-P 22:51:29 And they're not totally unrelated 22:51:47 ehird, um 22:51:53 They're both to do with the BIOS. One's a routine upgrade, one's a stupid problem someone had once. 22:51:57 ehird, UPDATE in SQL? 22:52:06 AnMaster: that is not what makes it awkward 22:52:08 it's the whole sentence 22:52:31 That tool might easily be something admin-folks use all the time 22:52:38 On the lenovo side, I mea 22:52:39 n 22:52:52 Great, internal tools taken as a mark of good UI design for external tools. 22:52:55 * ehird claps 22:53:14 It's a BIOS flashing utility 22:53:26 OMFG 22:53:27 SHUT UP 22:53:29 JUST SHUT UP 22:53:29 They generally aren't meant for the UI-uneducated anyway 22:53:29 this is going nowhere 22:53:35 Deewiant: Oh really? 22:53:35 are aquatic aardvarks awkward? 22:53:38 Then why is it bundled as a ROUTINE UPGRADE. 22:53:41 Why does this channel have such fekking stupid conversations? 22:53:41 WHY 22:53:43 You know, for ALL USERS. 22:53:47 GregorR: Why do you listen? 22:53:53 ehird: Beats me. :-P 22:54:03 Because somebody thought it was important but nobody cares about UI? 22:54:04 I don't, I come back six-hundred lines in and go "gee, it would be nice if this wasn't going on." 22:54:17 I don't see how a silent channel is an improvement 22:54:25 22:54:29 22:54:31 22:54:32 This is terrible. 22:54:33 22:54:33 22:54:34 22:54:36 22:54:38 22:54:40 22:54:42 22:54:50 * ehird is sure we could emulate usual argumentative structure with just blank messages 22:54:56 22:55:00 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 22:55:06 22:55:33 * Deewiant is sure that the structure is quite indistinguishable from the structure of pretty much any other conversation 22:55:42 Deewiant: Just try it! 22:55:46 Here's what we should all do: Record an example sentence in our accent, then try to emulate each others' accents. We will all have a hearty laugh at how terrible we sound, and we won't be talking about this any more :P 22:55:50 Imagine my messages, fill in words that fit the structure and speed, 22:55:52 imagine a response 22:55:58 and type a blank message in time. 22:55:59 Now. 22:55:59 22:56:04 22:56:04 22:56:05 I think I'd rather go to bed. 22:56:08 Or that. 22:56:08 Zzz -> 22:56:10 ... 22:56:11 :D 22:56:39 GregorR, what is wrong about talking about lenovo fuckups? 22:56:48 and windows fuckups 22:56:55 I love inane conversations 22:56:58 Talking about the exact semantics of some stupid sentence used in a tool involved therein is stupid :P 22:57:00 No you don't 22:57:26 wait. a new user called "login with fingerprint" has been installed 22:57:30 by one of the updates 22:57:33 HUH? 22:57:44 Hello, my name is L. W. Fingerprint. 22:57:45 AnMaster: if you click it, it'll ask for a fingerprint with their app 22:57:46 it is listed as a user 22:57:47 and then switch user 22:57:48 presumably 22:57:52 ehird, probably 22:57:53 because you can't hook in to the login process 22:57:55 but why in the user list 22:57:58 ehird, ah 22:58:02 AnMaster: so you can set it as auto user 22:58:05 and you never have to say who you are 22:58:07 just use your fingerprint 22:58:18 presumably 22:58:20 ehird, you can actually. At the top of the screen when it first booted as a "please set up your fingerprint" 22:58:26 well 22:58:29 not in that way at least 22:58:48 ehird, anyway you can provide new auth plugins under windows 22:58:58 presumably this way is much esir 22:58:59 easier 22:59:52 Hm, my hostname is just an IP right now. That's no good. 23:00:07 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:00:09 -!- fizzie has joined. 23:00:17 **fizzie evolves into FIS@IRIS.ZEM.FI!** 23:00:21 +5 hp 23:00:24 +4 atk 23:00:28 +1 def 23:00:35 (Press A to continue) 23:00:45 A 23:00:54 ((Gameboy music.)) 23:00:56 You are in a field. 23:00:59 There is grass. 23:01:03 You are a person and you have pokemans. 23:01:11 pokemans? 23:01:11 :D 23:01:12 You can go in any direction. 23:01:14 Apart from up and down. 23:01:21 spoilsport 23:01:22 You can't go up and down. This game is two-dimensional. 23:01:28 Wait. 23:01:30 Three. 23:01:35 But you can't travel in time, either. 23:01:42 Awaiting move. 23:01:48 -!- fungot has joined. 23:01:48 go west 23:01:59 You go west. 23:02:05 Had to reboot momus, that's why it was gone. Sleeps now, night. -> 23:02:06 There is more field with grass in different places. 23:02:10 Someone looks at you. 23:02:15 eat grass 23:02:18 Now you must fight them. 23:02:21 ehird, oh yeah "make system younger" seems to be the system checkpoint/restore thingy. Or something similar at least 23:03:19 quit 23:04:55 oerjan, fail? 23:04:58 oerjan, and stay 23:05:26 AnMaster: no, you fail 23:05:29 i merely quit a pokeman game 23:05:33 oerjan: You eat the grass. 23:05:34 oerjan, oh 23:05:38 It's super effective! 23:05:40 Critical hit. 23:05:45 You murder the guy. 23:05:46 And bury him. 23:05:48 -!- puzzlet has joined. 23:05:50 You are in a field. 23:05:58 Quitting is disallowable. 23:06:23 shouldn't it be "pokemon"? 23:06:31 You went from Pokémon to something more um 23:06:33 Zork-like? 23:06:37 AnMaster: Pokemans. 23:06:45 FireFly: We are alas constrained to one-dimensional media of text. 23:06:48 *to the 23:06:49 ehird, is this an ehirdism? 23:06:51 *medium 23:06:56 AnMaster: No, it's an internetsism. 23:07:00 hm ok 23:07:14 My pokemans, let me show you them. 23:07:15 Anyway. 23:07:16 Act! 23:07:19 Or the nazis win. 23:07:47 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/24/swedish_shortage/ ;; I thought this was, like, lesbians getting sperm out of the banks to swallow it or something before I read past the headline 23:08:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_M43ufegq8 23:08:04 Or some radical man-haters raided a sperm bank and destroyed it 23:08:05 Or something 23:08:29 um... 23:08:37 the recovery discs says windows xp on them 23:08:41 what the hell? 23:08:45 oh 23:08:45 AnMaster: Downgrade disk? 23:08:48 Mars needs women, Sweden needs sperm. 23:08:49 ehird, yes indeed 23:09:10 AnMaster: You should sue Lenovo to reclaim the Windows tax; there's a guy who did that to all major computer companies and actually got the money back. 23:09:19 Because you can't buy a non-Windows machine from them 23:09:23 ehird, windows tax? 23:09:33 AnMaster: i.e., the >$100 you paid to get Windows on it. 23:09:36 without any other choice. 23:09:37 :-P 23:09:43 ehird, anyway you can from lenovo.... just not by any reseller 23:09:49 but as a company you could 23:10:25 You could get Dell to officially suck your dick, too, if it'd bag them £1bil. 23:10:36 But that's not a service that Dell offers. 23:10:39 (AT LEAST NOT YET) 23:10:44 (THIS IS AN UNTAPPED MARKET DELL) 23:11:05 ... 23:11:13 My analogies are perfect. 23:11:18 no they aren't 23:11:24 yes they are 23:11:30 getting windows is like receiving oral sex 23:11:31 that's what SHE said! 23:11:32 ... sort of. 23:11:38 is it? 23:11:39 dump her 23:11:44 can't love a windows user 23:11:55 ehird, no I meant about " My analogies are perfect." 23:12:06 It was a joke, sheesh. 23:13:13 ehird is the joker 23:13:20 oerjan: ACT. 23:13:20 be very afraid 23:13:31 A pokemans et you. 23:13:34 YOU ARE INSIDE A STOMACH. 23:13:39 You see no exist but out the butt. 23:13:42 Acids begin to eat you. 23:13:43 Act. 23:14:06 Your legs are gone. 23:14:31 You are like unto a burger. 23:14:46 How many hamfisted legacies are the part of parcels that must be accepted to gain entry? 23:14:53 Your brain is meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellting. 23:15:23 SQL server configuration manager is installed on this 23:15:24 why 23:15:25 Pirates eat yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou 23:15:28 Oh that was just the aaaaaaaaaaacid. 23:15:31 The stomach aaaaaaaaacid. 23:15:41 ehird, 23:15:42 ^ 23:15:47 You die and are pooped out. 23:15:51 This answers all your questions about SQL Server. 23:16:02 You are dead. You are in a field. You are a component of some poop. 23:16:04 Act. 23:16:43 recycle 23:16:58 (remember kids, always recycle) 23:17:16 You cycle again. 23:17:21 How your memories of cycling come back to you. 23:17:26 You always rode as a child. 23:17:29 You realise you are dead. 23:17:32 You stop acting. 23:17:34 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *CRASH* 23:17:36 You are in a town. 23:17:43 You are no longer a component of some poop. 23:17:45 Act. 23:18:40 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:18:45 Floatatious thuogh you meay be, careless inaction costs live! 23:18:55 Actify. 23:19:03 i take a job as a ghost writer 23:19:10 Taxpayer taxpair 23:19:12 You become a ghost writer 23:19:15 You write ghosts 23:19:19 They go oooo and fly away 23:19:24 You are in a mansion with your newfound riches 23:19:25 Act 23:19:39 i haunt a bit 23:20:10 You go back to your old haunts and cycle. 23:20:19 History repeats you are in a town youare no longer a component of some poop acct 23:20:43 Did you mean to say that the thing that you said was what you said that was 23:20:44 i kill hitler. 23:20:49 (augur: parse that bitch) 23:20:53 You kill hitler 23:20:53 He dies 23:20:55 Hooray 23:20:58 Act 23:21:05 ehird: what? 23:21:10 23:20 ehird: Did you mean to say that the thing that you said was what you said that was 23:21:17 i establish a jewish world order 23:21:26 Bronchitis overtakes you 23:21:35 A Jewish/Bronchitic World Order is established. 23:21:38 (carefully hiding the fact i'm not jewish) 23:21:38 You feel vaguely reptilian. 23:21:39 ehird, do you really want me to parse that? 23:21:44 augur: Yes. 23:21:51 ok give me a moment 23:22:01 ACVT 23:22:02 ACT 23:22:52 i start a religion based on the world being a large turtle 23:23:06 You aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare that that you act 23:23:07 Act 23:24:03 err 23:24:05 what the hell 23:24:06 i successfully pass a law against acting. then i retire. 23:24:08 in BIOS setup 23:24:14 Under network: 23:24:20 Wake On LAN 23:24:24 Flash Over LAN 23:24:31 Enable Harddive DMA 23:24:46 what has the last option got to do with network? 23:24:59 ehird, find out how they could mess it up like this 23:25:25 wait the help for it is even weirder 23:25:47 foodly -> 23:26:19 "[Disabled] May be needed for some older networked SW (e.g. previous versions of RDM) -- see SW document\n-ation. Could slow hard drive performance when booted to the network." 23:26:20 err 23:26:22 what? 23:26:34 the \n there was just to illustrate the failed newline 23:26:38 as in 23:26:41 failed - 23:26:46 wrong side the the newline 23:27:24 -!- Pthing has joined. 23:27:57 Well, my roommate is spending half of his Google SoC paycheck on a new computer... 23:28:07 heh 23:28:16 That's going to be some crazy computer. 23:28:53 * AnMaster runs memtest just in case 23:29:05 might be good to make sure it is good 23:36:41 back 23:36:47 pikhq: how much is it 23:37:02 ehird: $2000 23:37:10 pikhq: That's not a lot for a computer... 23:37:27 bsmntbombdood's new rig + GTX 285 = >$2000 23:38:03 So... 2.93ghz core i7, 12gb ddr3, 80gb Intel X25-M SSD, 1TB storage, GTX 285 23:38:05 That's sufficient to get 44G of RAM and 16 CPUs if you're willing to not get much else. :P 23:38:08 Sure, absolutely kick-ass. 23:38:09 But. 23:38:18 Not like the most amazing gaming rig ever. 23:38:30 pikhq: You can get 24GB of DDR3 for about $900 23:38:34 I want to know what makes you think that $2000 isn't much. 23:38:41 It is a lot of money. 23:38:45 It is not a lot of money for a high-end computer. 23:39:00 Apparently your idea of "high-end" and mine are in conflict. 23:39:22 pikhq: that's because you aren't on a high-end machine, presumably 23:39:28 Everything above you tends to look high-end 23:39:29 Note: high-end does not generally mean something that you'd expect from Cray. 23:39:40 Unless you're a business. 23:39:50 Uhh, $2000 won't begin to buy a tenth of the power of a Cray apart from that shitty "entry-level" one. 23:39:57 Yes. 23:40:14 $2000 gets you a rather insane computer for a normal person to have, though. 23:40:22 I'm just saying that $2,000 gets you a nice high-end rig; it doesn't get you a gigantic monster of computing rampage. 23:40:27 pikhq: Is he a gamer? 23:40:38 Yes, but mostly a console gamer. 23:40:53 I mean, a little below $1,000 is what you'd expect a PC gamer to usually pay for a machine that can play the latest games decently. 23:40:57 (On a budget) 23:41:02 (read: owns all the consoles, and all of the games worth having) 23:41:03 pikhq: hmm 23:41:26 pikhq: $2,000 isn't even enough to get 2x Nehalem, I don't think 23:41:31 (Xeon) 23:41:34 or at least, maybe the lowest end Nehalem 23:41:36 It is. 23:41:39 (I'm talking about just the processors) 23:41:52 pikhq: one 3.2ghz nehalem xeon costs $1,500 23:41:53 The middle-range is $600 or so. 23:42:00 pikhq: dood, that's core i7 23:42:06 the xeons, which let you go 2x processor, are more expensive 23:42:13 (they also support ecc) 23:42:52 Dude, the i7s are going for $300-400 now. 23:42:58 pikhq: Wow, where? 23:43:02 Certainly not on newegg, the cheapest place. 23:43:13 Lemme pull it up. 23:43:13 I'd love to bag an i7 for that price. 23:43:15 And see if I need foot in mouth. 23:43:24 hmm 23:43:25 wow 23:43:28 pikhq: you're right 23:43:32 i7 920 for $279.99 23:43:32 \o/ 23:43:41 950 for $569.99 23:43:45 and 975 for $999.999 23:43:47 err 23:43:47 The mid-range Xeons are $600-ish. 23:43:49 999.99 23:43:57 those are some killer prices, especially the 920 23:44:03 Yeah. 23:44:08 pikhq: let's hope he isn't stupid and goes for core 2 23:44:13 He's not. 23:44:14 that'd just be a royal waste of money 23:44:16 good :P 23:44:24 We were vaguely debating getting 4 Opterons, though. :P 23:44:36 the hidden cost of AMD is in the power bill :-P 23:44:45 (and heck, the entropy from the heat!) 23:44:47 College pays for the power bill. 23:44:51 True dat. 23:44:55 *Tru 23:45:06 pikhq: So, Summer of Code pays $4k? 23:45:10 Doing what exactly? 23:45:30 Also, it turns out the Opterons that let you get 4 CPUs in a system are about the same price as Nehalem Xeons. 23:45:40 Yes, AMD are cheap. 23:45:43 But Intel are better. :P 23:46:05 ehird: Stupid game programming, in this case. 23:46:16 He hates it, and getting a new computer out of it would make him feel much better. 23:46:17 pikhq: That sounds suspiciously easy. 23:46:39 ehird: Poorly documented and undesigned project. 23:46:40 You have to be a uni student, though, don't you. :-) 23:46:44 With a stupid mentor. 23:46:52 Yes, you do. 23:46:56 pikhq: yeah but it's a few months of tedious, hateful coding for $4k 23:46:59 that's a good deal in my book 23:47:22 The idea is for it to be a few months of wonderful coding. 23:47:30 This specific project is made of suck, however. 23:47:45 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:48:04 huh gsoc actually comes out to like $2/hour 23:48:08 it sounds nicer in the bulk figure :D 23:48:15 still 23:48:26 $2/hour? ... No. 23:48:32 3 months 23:48:33 It lasts two or three months... 23:48:38 30 day months 23:48:44 24 hour days 23:48:57 Well, you don't work every hour, do you? 23:48:58 ... Nobody works 24 hours a day... 23:49:04 ... oh, true dat. 23:49:21 At least in Sweden, I think we have 40 hours per week 23:49:29 Of _working_ 23:49:34 pikhq: how much do you do in gsoc? 23:49:40 like 6-7hr/day or sth? 23:49:59 ehird: As much as is necessary to do what you signed up to do. 23:50:04 generally. 23:50:20 Depends on the project and the person. 23:50:26 your guy. 23:50:49 Nominally, 8. Really, 3. 23:51:14 comes out to roughly $15/hr 23:51:34 quite a sweet deal your roommate got there 23:51:51 Yup. 23:52:02 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:52:18 wonder if i could convince google i'm a uni student -in spirit- 23:52:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Highly_Open_Participation_Contest 23:52:46 Prizes offered by Google include a contest t-shirt and participation certificate for completing at least one task and US$100 for every three tasks completed to a maximum of US$500 (for fifteen completed tasks) 23:52:58 i don't think 15 tasks is worth just $500 23:53:03 -!- Nowicjusz has joined. 23:53:12 "Document the following functions". 23:53:14 rather try my chances at confusing google as to my studenthood :D 23:53:22 Nowicjusz: who're you. 23:53:34 good answer 23:53:36 hi 23:54:17 hi 23:54:27 what doth broughtify you here 23:54:36 i'm traveler 23:55:24 impossible 23:55:28 xeno proved it you know 23:55:56 I find this room on the list 23:56:19 Nowicjusz: we're about programming not magick fyi. 23:56:25 just checking :D 23:57:38 ehird what it is 23:57:47 Well, at least now we're 42 people in here 23:57:54 Better than 41, I suppose 23:57:54 Nowicjusz: strange programming languages 23:57:56 not voodoo.