00:08:33 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:40:09 ¿˙ 00:40:10 -- 00:41:39 . 00:48:46 ‽ 00:49:32 "One thing everybody agrees on: The banner ad is still dead." — suck.com, 2001-04-24 00:54:58 Oh, right, they had those, didn't they? 00:56:12 Heh. 00:56:32 I'd like to note that Sarah Palin is freaking insane. 00:56:42 Or the world's greatest troll. 00:56:55 She's apparently intending to start a new conservative party. 00:58:19 Good for her. 00:58:29 What we need is a party for all the unimaginably stupid people to go into. 00:58:39 Unfortunately, I don't think Ron Paul will join. 00:58:53 No, he'll found his own, even more marginal party :) 00:58:57 ehird: Ron Paul definitely wouldn't. He's smarter than his fanboys. ;) 00:59:10 pikhq: That's not saying much, though; he's batshit insane. 00:59:12 ... Oh, wait. So's Palin. 00:59:15 Two benefits to Palin's party: 1) The republican party is reduced to republicans, not republicans plus armies of morons. 2) These people will now identify and label themselves quite clearly. 00:59:29 pikhq: Woah now. 00:59:31 Don't go that far. 00:59:58 ehird: Her supporters think that she should be in office. Need I say more? 01:00:01 I have been bugged by someone who can code Ruby semi-decently that supports Palin. Sure, doesn't take much, but that's further than Palin could ever get. :P 01:00:03 pikhq: Ouch. 01:00:12 Okay. 01:00:12 Even she doesn't think that. 01:00:12 Fair dos. 01:00:13 Hahah. 01:00:22 "GregorR: Two benefits to Palin's party: 1) The republican party is reduced to republicans" 01:00:26 I lol'd at your naïvety 01:00:37 It's called idealism :P 01:00:58 Similarly, the Democrats will soon become left-wing. 01:01:24 YES YES YES. 01:01:44 …and will, by virtue of this, forevermore be a fringe party. 01:01:49 Lo, and they said: Let there be Kucinich. And there was Kucinich. And it was good. 01:01:54 Instead, we'll have the two main parties: 01:02:06 Republican Party for America, and the American Party of Republicans (Palin's). 01:02:16 ... 01:02:29 If that happens, I can say but one thing: Nuke it from orbit. 01:02:29 pikhq: Kucinich? Nice policies, not so nice "I will release the documents that will PROVE that the USA covered up a UFO landing in Roswell". 01:02:32 It's the only way to be sure. 01:02:43 ehird: ... He never said that. 01:02:55 O rly. 01:03:04 Kucinich merely claimed that he had seen a UFO. Specifically, he saw something flying that he didn't know what it was. 01:03:17 Oh, come on. You seriously think anyone would say "UFO" to mean that? 01:03:18 Don't be as dumbtarded as Palin supporters, please. 01:03:19 ;) 01:03:35 That's just… that's so stupidly tenuous that I can't even believe it. 01:03:42 Anyone who's reasonable would, yes. 01:04:14 And you respond with a strawman claiming that he believes that the US covered up an alien landing in Roswell. 01:04:16 GregorR: Please inform pikhq that he is saying that he thinks Kucinich saying "I saw a UFO!" meant "I saw an object that was flying and I did not identify it at the time". 01:04:18 That's Bushtarded. 01:04:19 I am not sure he fully understands. 01:04:30 Fucking Bushtarded. 01:04:33 pikhq: It was a year or two ago I read it, kay? 01:04:37 My memory is not perfect. 01:04:42 ehird: I'm quite sure you don't fully understand. 01:05:03 I hereby declare you to all be Fucking Nuts. 01:05:21 ehird: You're in a country that voted in nazis. 01:05:23 Please cease this botanical intercourse. 01:05:25 You're not one to talk. 01:05:25 :P 01:05:25 pikhq: People wonder why people hate the US so much. It's because they get the WEIRDEST impression of what's going on. 01:05:43 pikhq: I don't support them, I didn't vote for them, I want them out, but I can't vote. 01:05:45 My hands are clean. 01:06:00 GregorR: Correction: People hate the US because you're all batshit insane. 01:06:08 The miscommunication is a side issue. 01:06:15 ehird: And so're you. 01:06:18 :P 01:06:18 ehird: Thank you for the proof of my point. 01:06:29 Yes, I'm batshit insane. I don't run a country. 01:06:38 GregorR: cuukoo! cuukoo! 01:06:44 Bawak! Bawak! Ding dong, ding dong. 01:06:47 * ehird smashes alarm clock. 01:07:01 Dude, there's only one 'u' in 'cuckoo'. Also there's two 'c's. 01:07:22 I was saying sounds, not words. 01:07:22 So nyah. 01:07:42 In that case, how is your 'uu' sound distinct from your 'oo' sound? 01:07:54 And what does this new word cuhckoo mean? 01:08:01 Heyy, Google tasks is out of beta cool 01:08:04 GregorR: fu :P 01:08:09 ^^ 01:08:33 Bye 01:42:16 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:50:26 -!- Batmanifestdesti has joined. 01:51:00 Alright, I need some ideas for a language 01:51:47 I tried making a satanic programming language called LeVey, but it was too similar to C++ 01:51:53 lawl 01:52:11 here's how it's similar: 01:52:12 |o| Hello world program in LeVay |o| 01:52:12 summon stdlib! 01:52:12 >:D 01:52:12 conjure demon ~Hello, Satan!~! 01:52:12 D: 01:52:14 popo! 01:52:46 How about my previous idea for a CPU where literally every internal bit of the CPU is memory mapped, such that an operation can actually change what the CPU is doing midst that very operation. Pipelining for even more lawls 01:52:55 Needs to be more bizarre -- may I suggest more conjuring of spirits and invocations? 01:53:02 ok 01:53:35 Also, I fail to see what that concept has to do with /LeVey/ Satanism. :P 01:54:14 Batmanifestdesti: I JUST got your nick. I would have gotten it earlier if it wasn't cut off. 01:54:16 well....popo! is the common call for when police are coming to wreck a party/ritual ;) 01:54:29 thanks 01:54:34 True. 01:55:22 maybe I should change the name, since I'm making it more mystic than sticking it to the man 01:57:20 Indeed, it seems to have more to do with common European fantasy than with a vaguely animist religion centered in greed. ;p 01:58:04 (08:57:31 PM) brianrogers83: Imagine with Adam West's voice: 01:58:04 "Robin, we need to expand our country to both coasts. Fetch the bat-manifest destiny." 01:58:38 YES. 01:58:51 lol! 02:09:27 Okay, wanna see my latest idea? 02:10:00 Sure, why not? 02:10:32 |m| number addition in Draconian |m| 02:10:32 |m| Single line comments look like this |m| 02:10:32 o=}=> Multiple line comments 02:10:32 go between these sacrificial daggers <={=o 02:10:32 tie up virgin! |m| tie up is the command to call over the standard library, in this case being virgin, the standard library |m| 02:10:34 kill virgin! |m| this is the command to start the main program |m| 02:10:36 open vial! |m| pops memory stacks from previous programs, just in case they didn't already. |m| 02:10:38 slit wrist! |m| makes the program wait for number input |m| 02:10:40 pour blod in vial! |m| pushes the number input into the stack |m| 02:10:42 slit wrist! 02:10:44 pour blood in vial! 02:10:46 mingle 2 fluids! |m| Adds the top 2 numbers of the stack, and puts the value into the top |m| 02:10:48 chant incantations! |m| Displays the content at the top of the stack |m| 02:10:50 dispose of body! |m| Ends the program |m| 02:11:39 Not much in the way of semantics, but interesting syntax, at least. 02:12:38 I have an exclamation point to end each line :) 02:15:30 Something that would be awesome would be a programming language where the source is a sound file 02:21:47 or maybe a language based on the style of E.E Cummings! 02:40:37 -!- sgeo has joined. 02:42:43 greetings! 02:43:23 Hi 02:49:07 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:49:32 ah, another incomprehensibility 02:50:57 That's oerjan's response to most things. 02:51:31 * GregorR imagines oerjan walking up to a door with an unusual knob; "ah, another incomprehensibility" 02:51:49 wait, those actually _are_ question marks in the topic? devious. 02:52:15 GregorR: you know, that is depressingly close to accurate. 02:52:20 X-D 02:52:27 So long as you say it dramatically it's just awesomel. 02:52:29 *awesome 02:52:39 Like, imagine that as said by Patrick Stewart. 02:52:39 maybe not in that particular kind of instance, but yet... 02:53:10 I just came up with another language, this one I enjoyed making more :) 02:53:11 http://txtb.in/3jE 02:54:30 WARNING: NEW ESOLANGER. CRITICAL HASKELL DENSITY HAS BEEN LOST. 02:54:39 oops 02:54:50 > (+2)<$>[0..10] -- RESTORING NOW 02:54:52 mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse 02:54:52 mueval-core: NotAllowed "These modules... 02:54:59 I SUCK AT THIS 02:55:15 > nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] 02:55:15 hopefully this language will be turing-complete :) 02:55:17 [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... 02:55:40 oerjan: That is... Quite clever. 02:55:55 if that isn't dense haskell i don't know what is. 02:56:19 I'm afraid it looks too Lispy. Needs more $. :P 02:56:25 I don't even understand what that means :P 02:57:30 try throwing in a & for good luck 02:57:40 Batmanifestdesti: it creates an infinite list of primes, by abusing the nubBy function which is normally used to delete "equal elements" from a list 02:57:40 Batmanifestdesti: Why, it simply goes through the list of all numbers greater than two and removes the ones for which the greatest common denominator between it and anything previous in the list is greater than 1. 02:58:17 except it uses an "equal function" that is an obfuscated version of "has common factors" 02:58:32 I was thinking it was some awesome Fibbinaci thing 02:58:37 oh no 02:58:44 until I realized that it isn't 02:58:49 That would be this: 02:58:59 > fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) 02:59:00 [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... 02:59:05 nice 02:59:18 Hmm. 02:59:28 > fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 02:59:29 [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... 02:59:42 Thar. 03:00:03 needs moar & in my opinion, but ok 03:00:18 I can't change coding 03:00:21 More &? Are you a C-er? 03:00:21 & isn't very common in haskell alas, although && does mean "and" 03:00:31 and .&. is bitwise and 03:00:41 and yes, I do in fact use C++ as one of my languages 03:00:47 the other one is L.in.oleum 03:00:53 EEEEW. 03:01:55 hey, with low-level programming, you could make a compiler for your own language, and have it not go slow as heck/be a giant file when compiled 03:01:58 ;) 03:02:18 Or you could just do that in Haskell. 03:02:31 Haskell? 03:02:47 The high-level language we've been using. 03:02:58 but.....it's high-level! :P 03:03:03 Which is actually a low-level language ... 03:03:10 :P 03:03:12 But not really. 03:03:16 GregorR: Hush. 03:03:18 It's more statically typed than C++, that's for sure. 03:03:20 > (+2)<$>[0..10] -- why didn't this work? 03:03:21 [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] 03:03:31 oerjan: It appears that it did work. 03:03:42 oerjan: Clearly Lambdabot hates me. 03:03:42 so far I've been using L.in.oleum more, as I like the mad scientist feeling it gives me 03:03:43 huh 03:03:51 GregorR: Static typing does not make something low level. 03:04:05 pikhq: No, my "low level" statement was just silliness :P 03:04:11 Okay. 03:04:22 But static typing does, in the case of Haskell, make it compilable to very fast code (as well as various other tweaks) 03:04:24 Which is important. 03:04:31 yeah 03:04:49 BUT! is it at nearly a 1:1 ratio to ASM? XD 03:04:58 It also lets you pretend that state is a figment of the universe's imagination. 03:05:11 Batmanifestdesti: It's so not even remotely comparable. 03:05:17 Batmanifestdesti: That's not something C++ does, and that's not a good property to have in a language other than assembly. 03:05:27 C++ doesn't do that, I know 03:05:47 I was kidding, and referencing to L.in.oleum :D 03:05:59 What is this L.in.oleum? 03:06:07 lemme pull it up for you 03:06:08 * pikhq wikipedes 03:06:09 one sec 03:06:37 http://anywherebb.com/bb/layout/html/frameset.html 03:06:47 there's a link there to l.in.oleum :0 03:06:51 :)* 03:07:16 GODDAMMIT INTERNET STOP BEING SO EFFING SLOW WITH THE FREAKING HTTP 03:07:56 I DEMAND MOAR PACKETS 03:08:17 that's an _evil_ use of frames :( 03:08:25 There are good uses? 03:08:28 I ACTUALLY DEMAND ANY PACKETS AT ALL 03:08:35 you can adjust it in the settings area 03:08:40 sgeo: Yes. They all predate CSS. 03:09:42 yeah, Counter Strike: Source would fail with frames 03:09:56 WHY IS MY BANDWIDTH PEAKING AT 1KBPS? 03:10:06 I AM YELLING A LOT 03:10:37 Who told me that Twisted included a way to communicate with Orbited servers? 03:10:38 Bleh 03:11:06 Huh. Portable assembler. 03:11:28 Not bad. You should totally learn something highere level though. 03:11:45 I don't like high level very much 03:12:19 I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter 03:12:29 Which languages have you used? 03:13:17 ZZT-OOP, which is actually a scripting language, Java, and a bit of Python 03:13:24 and C++ and Lino 03:13:35 Crap, crap, and not too bad. 03:13:39 and BASIC, and COBOL 03:14:05 Also, crap and A POX UPON ALL THAT IS RIGHT IN THE WORLD. 03:14:06 now you are just trying to freak pikhq out :D 03:14:31 lol 03:14:45 oh, oh! I've also tried FORTRAN! 03:15:12 Seriously, are you pulling up a list of all the *worst* languages and trying them? 03:15:18 I'm surprised you even tried Python. :P 03:16:00 no, I seriously tried all those ^_^; 03:16:30 How often did they break your brain? 03:16:50 Probably not often enough. 03:16:54 pretty darn often 03:17:14 in other news: I GOT A 3 ON MY AP EXAM!!! WOO! 03:17:22 Which one? 03:17:46 APUSH 03:17:57 Ah. 03:18:16 Needs more calculus. :P 03:18:42 that's for later :P 03:19:15 * pikhq derives you 03:22:05 I tried making a satanic programming language called LeVey, but it was too similar to C++ 03:22:34 is this the first time someone comes into the channel and we're not sure if he misunderstood the name or not? :D 03:22:35 oerjan: You know, now that you mention it... 03:22:50 I do believe it is. :P 03:23:09 C++ *is* a satanic programming language. I wonder if LeVey invented it. 03:23:16 LOL! 04:00:51 fuck leveyan satanism 04:02:03 that came almost out of nowhere 04:09:14 -!- calamari has joined. 04:10:21 It deserves it, though. 04:14:58 Ooh, it's been a naughty satanism. 04:15:01 It knows it wants it. 04:15:42 S&M? 04:18:22 whats this about S&M now 04:18:25 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 04:18:40 augur's getting excited 04:18:46 augur has "S&M" on highlight. 04:18:47 * augur is getting excited 04:18:53 That's ... A-OK! 04:18:56 oh i totally do 04:19:12 I would be into S&M but I'm allergic to leather. 04:19:39 (^^^ nonsensicalliest sentence ever? I hope so, I'm entering it in the nonsensicalliest sentence ever competition!) 04:19:40 as if you nee to use leather. 04:20:13 no need to use leather... 04:20:35 just use METAL! >:D 04:20:44 Metal is cold and uncomfortable :( 04:20:51 Not that I'd... know anything about this 04:20:51 Batmanifestdesti: Can't be chrome. That's why I'm allergic to leather :P 04:21:00 Slereah: that's a good thing 04:21:13 No 04:21:45 so you can't do S&M with Google Chrome? :P 04:21:57 I'd get a nasty rash. 04:22:16 And not the "ooh that's hot" kind. 04:22:29 More the "no, this is the definition of 'pussy' meaning 'covered in pus'" kind. 04:23:09 lol 04:25:25 -!- upyr[emacs] has joined. 04:25:50 hi 04:26:10 hello 04:26:39 so I'm guessing you use emacs? 04:27:33 What's terrifying is not that he uses emacs at all, but that he is actually presently using emacs to talk on this IRC channel. 04:27:49 Batmanifestdesti: yes, I use emacs 04:28:17 what programming languages do you use? 04:28:38 [elisp] :P 04:28:53 * GregorR is being ... PREDICTIVE! 04:29:11 Batmanifestdesti: I'm a bad programmer 04:29:29 well yeah, but what programming language do you use or suck at? 04:29:53 I only use Plain English, the best language ever designed 04:30:00 perl and elisp 04:30:06 cool 04:30:20 I use C++, Lino and LOLCODE 04:30:51 Slereah: I find that statement amusing on so many levels :P 04:31:10 good. lolcode awesome 04:31:11 Plain English is our little joke. 04:31:20 Lolcode is meg 04:31:21 meh* 04:31:22 Slereah: you mean you don't love french, with it's verb sandwiches? XD 04:31:49 Batmanifestdesti : There is a programming language called Plain English 04:32:01 It's one of the worst language known to man 04:32:04 I wish PROTOCOPTER would get finished already, so that someone could get off their fanny and make a real compiler for lolcode 04:32:11 oh 04:33:41 anybody install lfs? 04:33:56 lfs? 04:34:30 linux from scratch 04:34:48 no 04:34:55 if you want that, try Arch 04:35:52 I use slackware now. I tried arch too. 04:36:09 ah 04:36:15 which WM do you use? 04:36:58 kwin(kde) 04:37:25 ah 04:37:37 I never was a big KDE fan. I prefer IceWM 04:37:38 I like fluxbox, but I am lazy to decorate it 04:37:51 Fluxbox is also cool 04:38:03 yope 04:38:15 ion! 04:38:28 you know what? 04:38:38 there should be a meme-based programming language 04:38:52 like "i her u liek adding a and b" 04:39:04 and you end the code with "KHAAAAAAAN!!!!" 04:40:06 and for an undefined integer you must put that it's "OVER 9000!!!!!!!!" 04:40:16 amiright? 04:41:02 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 04:41:34 (n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit: "Leaving" 04:41:34 #esoteric> sorry, I do not understand. (I use google-translator :( ) 04:41:43 oops 04:42:07 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:42:15 so you don't know english? 04:42:32 I managed to write a IRC client called PHIRC. It requires PuTTY to work, though. 04:42:46 But it does coloring and all sorts of other stuff too. 04:42:50 yes. I don't know.... 04:43:01 that's fine 04:43:09 I was talking about nerd stuff 04:43:34 Senders are cyan, commands are bold white, parameters are white, text after a colon is bold blue. Control characters are reverse video magenta. 04:44:49 Batmanifestdesti: ok, yes 04:45:45 It also does automatic ping-pong. 04:46:12 Pushing space fills in PRIVMSG and the last channel used with PRIVMSG or JOIN command. However, it doesn't process redirects yet (I can add that to the next version). 04:46:46 what language are you making it in? 04:47:08 Oops, although it wraps forward, it doesn't wrap backward to the previous line when chr(127) is sent 04:47:13 I wrote it iin PHP 04:47:19 oh 04:47:23 cool 04:48:05 I should probably get to work some time on my Lino skills, so that I can make an interpreter for my programming language 04:48:21 zzo38: I think, "putty required" is not well for irc-crient. probably better to rewrite this part 04:48:24 or maybe a compiler :3 04:49:02 -!- Slereah has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | $BcfBd+qcfFd+scf@d+rcf@d+r(BBA[start]. 04:49:22 Batmanifestdesti: Please, no more LOLCODE. 04:49:27 It was dumb then and it's dumb now. 04:49:44 Also, compilers and interpreters? Not as hard as you think. 04:50:03 It also has a few slash-commands. /C connects to a server and port, /Q quits (and closes PuTTY as well), /ECHO echoes a text to you. 04:50:15 actually, I'm not making a new interpreter for lolcode 04:50:23 * sgeo would be unable to write compilers, unless it's a compiler to a language like Python or C 04:50:26 though I do disagree with your opinion on it ;) 04:50:32 Oh, they final 04:50:34 The other slash command I will add is /WHOIS which acts like WHOIS but repeats the nickname 04:50:51 sgeo: C is a perfectly cromulent target language. 04:50:52 I'm talking about an interpreter or compiler for my own esoteric language 04:51:08 Also, get some Brainfuck stat. 04:51:14 I used a command script to load both PuTTY and PHIRC at the same time (including loading the profile in PuTTY) 04:51:32 and I'd rather not try doing BF 04:51:48 Try doing BF without the loops, for practice 04:52:17 Try reimplementing PSOX >.> 04:52:32 That would be hard, considering I've never made in ainterpreter before >> 04:52:55 Batmanifestdesti, BF without loops? Very good practice for making interpreters 04:53:31 Are these all the possible channel prefix? !#%&+ 04:53:35 Did I miss any? 04:53:49 not that I know of 04:54:14 Don't try reimplementing PSOX 04:54:31 Now I have to add proper line editing and history access and stuff 04:54:46 PSOX is unnecessary, there's already a good enough implementation that just needs a few fixes if it's actually wanted by anyone, and it was a pain to write 04:55:00 Where's ehird? 04:55:31 ehird is not online right now. Please leave a message after the beep. 04:55:32 he died 04:56:18 PHIRC also masks the password with asterisks (and green) if you type the PASS command. 04:56:49 How can I make it wrap to the previous like when backspacing? 04:57:02 zzo38: According to the IRC spec at least. 04:57:56 Sorry I must have missed something. What's according to the IRC spec at least? 04:58:11 The channel prefixes. 04:58:37 O, so I did not miss any of these channel prefixes, that's good. 04:59:11 ! is a safe from takeovers, # is network channel, & is local channel, + is nobody can be operator, % is used in IRCX 05:02:40 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:04:09 None of those work on Freenode 05:04:49 INCORRECT! 05:04:56 # works on Freenode 05:05:04 * oerjan ducks 05:05:25 Why are you ducking when you point out an obvious stupidity on my part? 05:05:54 to avoid random violence 05:06:04 some people cannot take criticism 05:06:15 * oerjan may be one of them ;) 05:06:47 must...eat....yogurt......brb 05:07:03 must...avoid...yogurt...like the plague 05:07:46 If I was the sort of person unable to take criticism, I would have invented a way to hurt ehird over TCP/IP by now >.> 05:08:41 true, true 05:14:40 does anyone here use Piet? 05:17:39 not recently that i can recall 05:18:53 g2g eat 05:19:14 may the salad be with you 05:24:35 -!- coppro has joined. 05:48:31 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:59:20 hi greasy 06:00:37 -!- oerjan has quit ("Arrividerci"). 06:06:23 brb 06:06:33 maybe 06:06:39 -!- Batmanifestdesti has quit ("Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm"). 06:18:47 -!- sgeo has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 06:23:27 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 06:24:03 -!- coppro has joined. 06:25:10 -!- DarkPants has joined. 06:34:24 -!- Batmanifestdesti has joined. 06:34:50 blarg, I fail at Piet 06:36:50 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:53:40 poor greasy... 06:54:08 there should be piet forums for posting programs and stuff, that would be awesome :D 07:02:45 -!- Pthing has joined. 07:04:34 hi Pthing! 07:04:53 hello 07:05:25 I'm assuming you're here because you like making your brain hurt? 07:08:14 or...maybe you're here to Idle, like everyone else :\ 07:11:03 guess what?! 07:13:53 I emailed the guy who made Piet, Chef, Zombie and all that jazz, and asked if I could make a Piet forum! 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:04:13 -!- Batmanifestdesti has left (?). 08:05:40 -!- nooga has joined. 08:06:53 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:18:55 -!- FireFly has joined. 08:42:45 -!- DarkPants has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:53:14 AnMaster_ipv6: oerjan, STOP BEING SO UN-NORWEGIAN! RIGHT NOW! <<< yeswegian 08:56:39 GregorR: Bose had a commercial for headphones that came with a free MP3 player. This is how expensive Bose is. <<< i thought you meant they had a commercial for headphones you could only get by getting a free mp3 player :D 08:56:52 so expensive they have commercials even for their free products. 09:01:33 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:07:16 GregorR: What we need is a party for all the unimaginably stupid people to go into. <<< you do realize the more organized they are, the more they can accomplish 09:16:11 oerjan: GregorR: you know, that is depressingly close to accurate. <<< i was recently baffled by this door; turned out you needed to *push* it 09:16:31 i was like lol that was so algorithmically trivial, not worth solving 09:27:50 Batmanifestdesti: I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter <<< the hard work? as in, the trivialities not worth thinking about :P 09:31:50 we need a name for people who think esolangs are about funny syntax 09:31:55 also we need esolangs 09:36:37 yay, only 40 minutes of logs 09:36:46 i'm definitely not doing this every morning :D 09:36:52 especially as you are all idiots 09:37:14 IDDIOTS 10:04:12 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:16:06 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:16:19 -!- jix has joined. 10:27:05 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 10:33:04 nah just kidding. 10:33:26 i love you 10:50:58 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 10:51:01 -!- AnMaster has joined. 11:34:35 theremins cost. 11:39:42 oklokok: about £200 for an ok one 11:41:10 i want 11:41:15 i would own at that 11:41:19 it's trivial 11:42:20 so how's this, have the volume controls at your feet and a pitch control for both hands 11:42:36 -!- Judofyr has joined. 11:42:47 that would be a bit more ultimate i think. 11:43:38 02:12 Batmanifestdesti: I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter 11:43:39 grr 11:44:23 03:30 Batmanifestdesti: I use C++, Lino and LOLCODE 11:44:24 DIE 11:44:51 03:38 Batmanifestdesti: there should be a meme-based programming language 11:44:55 fuuuuuuuuck you 11:45:31 i'm guessing you might be able to come up with that term 11:45:35 03:50 Batmanifestdesti: though I do disagree with your opinion on it ;) 11:45:37 GTFO 11:45:45 what was that about? 11:45:49 the last 11:45:55 opinion on what 11:45:57 03:55 sgeo: Where's ehird? 11:45:59 nowhere 11:46:01 what was that 11:46:34 okay now i will logread oklokok's questions 11:46:42 11:41 oklokok: i want 11:46:42 11:41 oklokok: i would own at that 11:46:43 11:41 oklokok: it's trivial 11:46:46 11:42 oklokok: so how's this, have the volume controls at your feet and a pitch control for both hands 11:46:52 it's actually not very trivial also that would be not needed. 11:46:55 too complex. 11:47:12 i'm going to do it right after i've mastered the one pitch version 11:47:14 hmm 11:47:16 11:45 oklokok: what was that about? 11:47:17 lolcode 11:47:22 i guess i should just buy both at once 11:47:25 11:46 oklokok: what was that 11:47:27 dunno lol. 11:47:34 oklokok: oh, you can get them? 11:47:38 wasn't aware 11:47:52 oklokok: imo the one pitch one volume is much better 11:47:57 you can still do everything 11:48:00 but it's less bloated. 11:48:01 oh i doubt you can 11:48:06 and you can? 11:48:11 how can you make two pitches with it 11:48:47 oklokok: wavering very very quickly between them. this isn't hard because you need to have perfect steady hands to play it already. 11:48:53 trust me, it sounds right. 11:49:00 if you're trying to do 50 melodies at once, assemble an orchestra :D 11:49:00 no it doesn't 11:49:03 silly boy 11:49:28 not 50, but would be nice to have a separate bassline 11:49:34 i have a theremin, you don't, I'm right 11:49:53 but you don't know anything about anything, didn't you hear me call you an idiot this morning 11:50:03 doesn't that kinda mean i win? 11:50:17 i mean i want that theremin 11:50:20 that's my point 11:50:40 btw i even sucked at violin 11:50:44 oklokok: i'll set up robotic hands for you so you can play the theremin over tcp ip. 11:50:48 couldn't even get a note out right away 11:51:26 also, it's very doubtful you'll be able to play a theremin well. right off the bat you need totally steady hands and the ability to make very precise, subtle hand movements in real time. _then_, you need to learn how to actually get it to produce music. 11:52:57 it took me one attempt and about a minute to build my first card pyramid, which was 4 stories tall 11:53:01 wait two attempts 11:53:08 but i have semisteady hands 11:53:24 semi? 11:53:36 weiiiereireiriereirerierieriierieierierierr ← your projected theremin constant note 11:54:01 oh dang 11:54:03 let me try again 11:54:08 i have awesome superhands 11:54:24 :D 11:54:39 oklokok: you can easily make "experimental" music with it though 11:54:42 just throw things at it 11:55:20 have you actually given it any effort? 11:55:28 just out of interest 11:56:04 i don't really give things effort 11:56:43 my programming skills are entirely down to unconcentrated trickles of not giving effort 11:58:04 right, i'm more like you know ocd 12:00:33 I WANT A THEREMIN *NOW* 12:00:35 :D 12:00:44 i wish i wasn't in the middle of the woods 12:02:44 so ehird 12:02:49 play it for me 12:02:57 show vid 12:03:11 but i look like a mess. 12:03:29 anyway oklokok i went through a period of longing too. 12:03:43 i can say this: it's not worth £200 unless you already know you're a virtuoso :D 12:04:44 i can learn anything. 12:04:56 i even learned fishing 12:05:17 Just build one yourself if you want one 12:05:45 Deewiant: uhh, no. 12:05:53 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:05:54 it's not like a shitty toy instrument 12:06:04 moog's theremins are beautiful 12:06:08 that's too much work 12:06:22 oh my god 12:06:24 the rain 12:06:26 is awesome 12:06:26 -> 12:06:41 ehird: You can get a good one later 12:06:48 But if you just want to try it out, just make your own 12:06:49 no, just buy one :P 12:07:00 Well, whichever you consider easier 12:07:50 oklokok: come back 12:08:00 oklokok: i'm about to cost you inordinate amounts of money 12:08:01 http://www.moogmusic.com/theremin/?section=product&product_id=110 12:08:13 $1579 apparently they don't even make it any more, but it's fucking made of maplewood. 12:08:27 well the electronics aren't. 12:08:32 it just looks pretty. 12:09:11 Deewiant: building is too much work 12:09:24 electronics made of maplewood would be fun 12:09:29 it's easier to find a job, do it for a while, and buy a theremin. 12:09:38 wonder if you can add something to wood to make it conduct 12:11:20 i wonder what it'd look like if you melted wood into the form of a chair 12:11:38 not much like a chair 12:11:45 oklokok, what is the melting point of wood? 12:12:26 I guess it would vary between (for example) teak and pine 12:12:37 i don't have a singlest idea. 12:12:37 *the 12:12:46 err 12:12:52 " i don't have the singlest idea."? 12:13:15 probably tons 12:13:33 lol AnMaster 12:13:36 wood doesn't melt... 12:13:36 tons is for weight not temperature :P 12:13:36 yes 12:13:36 not even the most single idea popped into my head. 12:13:47 ehird, in oxygen it burns yes 12:13:48 i think oklokok might know this 12:13:59 well 12:14:00 http://www.international.inra.fr/press/like_metal_wood_can_melt_and_be_welded 12:14:04 but what if you had an oxygen free chamber when you melt it 12:14:06 just rely on pioneering international physics to do it 12:14:09 simple 12:14:11 where* 12:14:27 ehird, IG nobel price worthy? 12:14:52 the ig nobel prize is most often an excuse to laugh at science that is considered "weird". 12:14:53 hm probably not 12:15:07 the discovery seems great to me, i doubt even they'd go that low 12:17:03 wtf, how is that a discovery 12:17:17 well it's not 12:17:20 it's just work 12:17:41 also 12:17:45 i thought the url meant 12:17:53 as if metal wood could be melted! 12:18:03 :D 12:18:31 oklokok, they cut out the comma 12:18:40 in the url 12:19:04 I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 12:19:07 It's really annoying. 12:19:43 i find it funny 12:19:53 all people should have a thing 12:19:55 oh, you had to say that, didn't you. 12:20:03 AnMaster's problem is that he has 50 things and they all suck. 12:20:43 :D 12:20:47 ehird, so does your mom 12:20:51 that's his thing 12:20:57 See, now, that's not one of your things, AnMaster. 12:21:03 You can't even claim that, so stfu. 12:21:26 ehird, I never claimed that. 12:21:34 that would've been the perfect spot to make the world's first your dad joke 12:21:45 oklokok, hah 12:21:53 oklokok: AnMaster's cognitive abilities are far below that stage as of yet. 12:22:01 We are currently hoping he does not think to self-improve. 12:22:06 see, at least he recognizes quality humor. 12:22:13 unlike *some people* 12:22:22 Hyuk hyuk hyuk. 12:22:59 i can't translate that to human laughter 12:24:02 Try comic laughter. 12:24:29 http://www.longbets.org/266 ← Almost true! If only someone bet against it. 12:24:38 (the 128 qubit chips work, they're just not sold yet) 12:25:08 (I think the predictor works for the company making them) 12:25:17 hm nope 12:25:25 Dwave System's CTO is indicating 128 qubit sales soon 12:25:26 POSTED BY brian wang ON MAR 20, 02009 AT 04:26PM 12:25:27 right. 12:25:40 hey AnMaster 12:25:51 128 qubit chip. start using quantum encryption. 12:26:43 oklokok: do you like large number porn? "Putting all of these qubits into superposition states — the initial Hamiltonian in the adiabatic algorithm — gives 2^128 ~ 3 x 10^38 simultaneously held states. Not quite the number of atoms in the earth, but close." 12:26:45 what can you do with that? 12:26:55 oklokok: a lot 12:27:02 128 qubits is a ton 12:27:23 oklokok: ofc you need it cooled to insanely near 0kelvin at the moment 12:27:31 hm, not too long until you can't trust most encryption any more. 12:27:32 but that may be inevitable. 12:27:36 can you actually utilize it that much 12:27:41 probably can't already 12:27:42 AnMaster: that's hyperbolic. 12:27:57 oklokok: what do you mean 12:28:03 oklokok: it has 128 bonafide qubits 12:28:03 well i mean 12:28:11 ehird, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you meant with that in this context. 12:28:24 AnMaster: "encryption is dead!!!" 12:28:34 oklokok: http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/first-view-128-qubit-rainier-chip/, http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/a-close-up-fully-wirebonded/, http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/128-qubit-chip-mounted-on-io-system/ 12:28:41 can you just use them as 128 nondeterministic choices in a program? 12:28:47 oklokok: they're real quantum bits 12:28:52 it's a real quantum computer 12:29:01 ehird, rather "current encryption algorithms are soon dead" 12:29:02 with 128 qubits just like any quantum computer would have 12:29:13 AnMaster: hyperbolic. also, if they are, nothing can replace them. 12:29:28 the only thing we could use is quantum encryption 12:29:41 so we'd all have to buy ridiculously expensive systems constantly run at near 0-kelvin 12:30:02 the CIA know everything about me anyway. 12:30:18 i doubt if they wanted, say, your credit card number, they'd try and crack your gpg file with it :P 12:30:21 there is always that quantum encryption thingy, but iirc that requires rather specialised hardware, like being able to send one photon at a time to the receiver. Which might be a bit non-trivial to say the least on current internet infrastructure. 12:30:33 12:29 ehird: the only thing we could use is quantum encryption 12:30:34 12:29 ehird: so we'd all have to buy ridiculously expensive systems constantly run at near 0-kelvin 12:30:38 AnMaster: not special hardware. 12:30:38 argh, lag, am I still connected? 12:30:41 just a quantum computer. 12:30:45 ehird, all that came at once 12:30:56 * AnMaster prods his internet 12:31:08 meh, seems better now 12:31:13 anyway, if you really think the NSA is breaking PGP with quantum computers, that has no practical effect, because there's nothing else you can do. 12:32:09 ehird, I didn't know that sort of quantum encryption needed 0 kelvin? Maybe you are referring to some other sort of quantum encryption? 12:32:20 AnMaster: quantum COMPUTERS need near 0 kelvin 12:32:25 cooling an object to 0K is impossible 12:32:28 so they just run at 0.000000001K 12:32:32 …or there abouts. 12:32:48 AnMaster: basically, if you have it any hotter, superconducting fails or something. also the environment fucks all the quantum-level stuff up. 12:32:57 ehird, yes of course I know you can't go to 0K... the line above was indeed slightly inaccurate due to missing one word 12:32:59 maybe we'll have room temperature quantum computers someday 12:33:18 but for now, if you want a quantum computer, you need a gigantic cooling system and a lot of patience for it to cool down 12:33:25 (like weeks) 12:33:34 i hate to think of the power requirements 12:34:59 ehird, this variant of quantum cryptography doesn't seem to need a quantum computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB84 12:35:24 "She then encodes these two strings as a string of n qubits," 12:35:25 it is just key distribution to create a secure one time key 12:35:29 Either you're really dumb or didn't notice "qubit". 12:35:54 "This protocol, known as BB84 after its inventors and year of publication, was originally described using photon polarization states to transmit the information. However, any two pairs of conjugate states can be used for the protocol, and many optical fibre based implementations described as BB84 use phase encoded states." 12:35:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography#BB84_protocol:_Charles_H._Bennett_and_Gilles_Brassard_.281984.29 12:36:12 Wow, you're fucking dumb. 12:36:17 THAT'S JUST THE TRANSMISSION. 12:36:20 You need QUBITS. 12:36:24 hm 12:36:32 QUBITS are what QUANTUM COMPUTERS are for. 12:36:47 cube it. 12:36:57 cube it up 12:37:33 ehird, yes I know that, but I'm pretty sure I read about this being implemented and tested without a quantum computer. Let me find the book. 12:37:43 AnMaster: Yes, you can emulate qubits with a classical computer. 12:37:45 Guess what that is? 12:37:57 Colossally slow. 12:40:35 really slow 12:41:19 As in stop considering it AnMaster it's not happening slow. 12:41:54 ehird, atm I'm reading about the details of that encryption scheme in the book to check up on some details, I will be back in a few minutes 12:42:09 AnMaster. 12:42:14 You cannot run that feasibly on a classical computer. 12:42:15 At all. 12:42:21 You don't even want to think about the time complexity. 12:42:23 Stop it. 12:42:49 ehird, where exactly in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography#BB84_protocol:_Charles_H._Bennett_and_Gilles_Brassard_.281984.29 does it mention a qubit? 12:43:08 ahahahahahahah 12:43:21 you could play a drinking game with the amount of times it mentions "quantum" 12:43:50 so are you an idiot because you don't understand the text one bit or an idiot because you didn't read it before linking? 12:45:17 -!- Ilari has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 12:46:58 ehird, It does mention quantum a lot yes. But not any qbits. If you read up on it, it seems all you need are: 1) some communication channel where you can transfer one photon at a time 2) Some way to polarize photons in one of 4 different directions (0°, 90°, 45° and 135°) 3) Some way to be able to detect if the photon is polarised in 0 or 90 and some way to detect if it is polarised in 45 or 135. 12:46:58 4) A way to switch between the two alternative detectors mentioned 5) A good random source 12:47:13 -_- 12:47:26 what step in that key exchange requires a quantum computer. 12:47:43 ehird, obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that, so please inform me. 12:48:21 if this was #math, "obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that" would be in #not-math's topic in about a minute 12:48:54 oklokok, in this case it was sarcastic. Because I'm pretty sure ehird is wrong. 12:49:02 lol 12:49:05 you didn't even get it second time around 12:49:13 btw, also see ISBN 91-1-300708-4 12:49:15 of course it was sarcastic, that wasn't the point 12:49:17 got to agree with the expressed sentiment. 12:49:39 You could read the main BB84 article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB84 if you want to see the word "qubit" made explicit. 12:49:54 fizzie: he linked that first 12:49:56 but picked the other article 12:50:01 Oh. 12:50:02 because it fit what he thought in his warped mind 12:50:13 that's the scientific method 12:50:23 if the evidence contradicts your theory, find other evidence. 12:50:30 (that is neutral) 12:50:46 well clearly the first evidence was wrong 12:51:02 why would you be looking for evidence if you weren't sure your theory was right 12:51:03 science 12:51:05 that'd be a waste of time 12:51:11 fizzie, I see it there, but the other description doesn't involve using a quantum computer as far as I can see. 12:51:18 so I'm confused here 12:51:23 -!- ehird has set topic: obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 12:52:12 tbh i was hoping you would do exactly that 12:55:31 -!- AnMaster has set topic: The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 12:55:38 ehird, you keep forgetting that ^ 12:56:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:56:16 AnMaster: the last topic didn't contain them. 12:56:23 -!- ehird has set topic: obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 12:56:25 go check if you want 12:56:25 ehird, it did when I joined today 12:56:30 -!- oklokok has set topic: obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that the topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 12:56:41 all happy?? 12:56:44 * Topic for #esoteric is: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | $BcfBd+qcfFd+scf@d+rcf@d+r(BBA[start] 12:56:44 * Topic for #esoteric set by Slereah at Wed Jul 15 05:49:01 2009 12:56:46 hmm, someone changed it from konami code. 12:56:47 EVERYBODY HAPY 12:56:49 oklokok, sure 12:56:51 it was konami code a few days ago 12:56:53 so the rule has been broken 12:56:56 -!- ehird has set topic: obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 12:57:06 ehird, wrong, when I joined it was there, as shown above 12:57:18 "a few days ago" 12:57:21 before jul 15 12:57:28 guess what time it is? 12:57:29 *day 12:57:32 jul 15 12:57:41 ehird, right, but what has that got to do with it? If it was broken before, why should it be broken again. 12:58:13 because it wasn't in the topic at all time, and rules should be descriptive, not perscriptive. 12:58:29 also, once it's been ousted out of the topic for a while it's not a rule any more 12:58:36 otherwise we'd be playing by asiekierka's fuckfests 12:58:41 of contradictory, pointless topic rules 12:58:45 even though we removed them 12:58:47 QED. 13:00:17 AnMaster_ipv6: oerjan, STOP BEING SO UN-NORWEGIAN! RIGHT NOW! <<< yeswegian 13:00:23 as long as it isn't glaswegian 13:03:17 DIE <-- i guess we should be glad you weren't on simultaneously 13:04:19 i wish they had been 13:07:53 oklokok, what is the melting point of wood? <-- afair wood without oxygen gives off gases and turns into charcoal when heated. now coal is essentially carbon, which doesn't melt either at standard pressure 13:08:23 so it just turns into gas? 13:08:27 yeah 13:08:32 damn 13:08:35 AnMaster: anyway, if you have $70m to buy a next generation quantum computer (a lot of patience too, of course.), a lot of time to wait for it to cool, a lot of power, and know someone else with the same, and you network them quantumly, you can do quantum encryption 13:08:39 didn't see that coming 13:08:50 i would've suggested it, but i didn't remember the term for it 13:08:54 sublimation? 13:08:58 yeah 13:09:01 right 13:09:05 what's the other direction? 13:09:08 i just know it in finnish 13:09:17 and i don't think it's related to härmistyminen in english. 13:09:24 except i'm not sure if charcoal is pure enough carbon to do that 13:09:25 AnMaster: Also, the opinion of Schneier, Matt Weir, Robert R. Tucci and surely others is that quantum cryptography is totally useless. 13:09:39 oerjan, right 13:09:46 no idea, assuming it's anything other than freezing 13:10:21 ehird, I agree it is impractical 13:10:27 oerjan: are you suggesting it'd turn straight into plasma or something? 13:10:28 No. 13:10:29 Not impractical. 13:10:37 AnMaster: EVEN if you could get it working, it would be pointless. 13:10:38 oklokok: Deposition, according to the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition 13:10:53 ehird, oh? Because NSA isn't that interested? ;P 13:10:58 -!- FireFly has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:10:58 -!- Slereah has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:11:03 yay user roulette 13:11:07 It's a rather more boring word than the Finnish one. 13:11:10 -!- Slereah has joined. 13:11:10 AnMaster: Welp, you're an idiot. 13:11:16 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:11:18 ehird, that was an attempt at a joke 13:11:19 duh 13:11:25 Yes, I know. 13:11:31 Jokes do not substitute for anything else. 13:11:45 Your attempt to use it in a place where CoherentResponse was expected has crashed the universe. 13:11:47 Good work, kid. 13:11:58 ehird, stop trolling :P 13:12:20 I was not trolling. 13:12:27 Jokes do not substitute for actual coherency 13:12:33 ehird: i've been wondering, what if someone proved P=NP so thoroughly that all ordinary encryption gets broken instantly. would quantum encryption still be useful as a replacement? 13:12:58 (excepting one-time pads, of course) 13:13:00 oerjan, there is always OTP 13:13:06 i think if you have p=np all encryption apart from one time pads is effectively hopeless 13:13:07 damn you were first 13:13:22 * oerjan cackles evilly 13:13:33 he has the proof 13:13:40 i'm sure 13:13:44 is this true oerjan 13:13:48 erm, not *that* evilly. *yet* 13:13:49 do you 13:13:58 thank god. 13:14:04 i mean thor 13:14:04 oklokok, would he tell you if it was? 13:14:18 why not? we're good friends. 13:14:23 p=np would be beautiful 13:14:29 "Aalso known as desublimation." Now that's evel more boring. 13:14:29 he even knows my name 13:14:35 fizzie: Aalso. 13:14:38 oerjan: what's oklokok's name 13:14:41 ehird: Evel. 13:15:22 Aalso Evel? 13:15:25 oklokok: hi aalso evel 13:16:16 actually that's almost an anagram of my name. 13:17:01 oklokok: what's your initials 13:17:10 how should i know 13:17:20 firstname[0]+lastname[0] 13:17:39 i actually have firstnames in a list 13:17:52 oklopol.firstname[0]+oklopol.lastname[0] 13:18:05 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:18:54 I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19:14 Sorry, oklokok's. 13:19:24 fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19:34 it's python. 13:19:37 143 for me. 13:19:47 >>> 'aalso'[0]+'evel'[0] 13:19:47 'ae' 13:20:00 as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20:12 I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 13:20:14 also, the sum gives more information, anyway 13:20:24 oerjan: except that's not even remotely the same. 13:20:26 obviously summing characters means concatenation into a string 13:20:27 omg could AnMaster secretly be Joke_explainer? 13:20:32 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:20:33 was not a joke 13:20:34 where it makes sense 13:20:36 unless it was a really terrible one 13:20:37 more than codepoints 13:20:48 that's the great thing about humans, they own at type inference. 13:20:48 i ignored AnMaster as a matter of principle. 13:21:03 oklokok: so what is it 13:21:48 oerjan: omg could AnMaster secretly be Joke_explainer? <<< at least he's mentioned jokes explained about a million times 13:21:54 maybe that was your reference anyway 13:22:00 if so, then i am sorry. 13:22:04 no i actually said that 13:22:23 'twas a reddit reference, anyway 13:22:28 you said what now 13:22:35 i'm completely lost 13:22:37 I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 13:23:15 yeah i know you said that 13:23:20 i was commenting on oerjan's comment 13:23:26 whoa. 13:23:34 :D 13:23:44 http://www.reddit.com/user/joke-explainer/ anyway 13:23:57 > (!0)<$>words"aalso evel" 13:23:58 Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Arr.Array i e' 13:24:01 oerjan already told that 13:24:03 grmbl 13:24:08 i think i'm having some sort of stroke here. 13:24:22 > (!!0)<$>words"aalso evel" 13:24:23 "ae" 13:24:32 hm head is actually shorter 13:25:21 oklokok: er seriously? 13:25:42 oklokok: is never serious. 13:25:48 > head . words "aalso evel" 13:25:49 Couldn't match expected type `a -> [a1]' 13:25:56 > let (.) = fmap in head . words "aalso evel" 13:25:58 "ae" 13:26:01 i bet he would be, if he got a stroke. well, possibly. 13:26:04 confusing as shit that :D 13:26:11 not seriously, i just feel like i completely misunderstood something back there. 13:26:20 because i have no idea why ehird said what he did 13:26:27 whoa 13:26:49 oklokok: i was logreading 13:26:56 it's an old comment 13:27:35 yes... so? :D 13:27:41 i just pointed out more evidence 13:27:50 also, you commented on it at the time O_o 13:28:33 wait er 13:28:34 oerjan 13:28:39 i thought you used it as an arugment 13:28:40 argument 13:28:56 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wish you would stop pointing 13:28:59 out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 13:29:02 i wondered how you got out the quote so quickly 13:29:04 :DDDDDDDD 13:29:10 well that makes more sense now 13:29:15 i've never known oerjan as the argumentative type 13:29:26 oerjan: i commented on it, yes, but not to you 13:29:51 of course not, i was not there 13:30:05 if i had been, i would not be logreading it, would i? 13:30:11 oerjan is more "fuck, drama, get me outta here, i need to have my daily dosage of cod" 13:30:41 oerjan: i'm just saying i don't see what was weird about my comment. 13:30:41 oerjan: to confirm: you did not mean it as an argument like in: 13:30:46 13:28 ehird: 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wish you would s 13:30:49 top pointing 13:30:51 13:28 ehird: out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 13:30:54 ? 13:31:01 and thus my rebuttal of that being appropriate was wasted :D 13:31:09 no, he said why he quoted that right after 13:31:16 right 13:31:19 i thought that was just a side thing 13:31:25 heh 13:31:33 oklokok: i did not comment on your comment until you implied not remembering ehird's comment now 13:31:47 oerjan: ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 13:31:49 oerjan: true, i guess this has all been just a misunderstanding; or a stroke. 13:33:38 i should really just stick to math, communication simply doesn't work 13:34:31 oerjan: ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 13:34:43 ehird: IE has this bad habit of randomly including the newline or not when i copy from the logs. 13:34:45 yeah oerjan, answer right away, or what? 13:35:19 thus i don't always get to put the "<--" in 13:36:04 okokokokokokokokokoko 13:36:06 oerjan: so 13:36:08 okokokokokokokokokokoko 13:36:10 13:30 ehird: oerjan: to confirm: you did not mean it as an argument like in: 13:36:13 13:30 ehird: 13:28 ehird: 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wis 13:36:16 h you would s 13:36:18 13:30 ehird: top pointing 13:36:20 13:30 ehird: 13:28 ehird: out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional 13:36:23 13:30 ehird: ? 13:36:25 13:31 ehird: and thus my rebuttal of that being appropriate was wasted :D 13:36:27 ? 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13:38:44 maybe. 13:39:01 bits(oerjan) 13:39:50 i wasn't being serious mister gloomy pants 13:40:30 iiiiiiiiiiiii wanna do something 13:40:40 oklokok: buy a theremin 13:40:46 only using one toe 13:40:52 from this window 13:40:53 go 13:41:38 :oooo 13:41:42 record the damn vid 13:42:19 no 13:42:24 oklokok 13:42:26 buttt 13:42:26 i'm not making a porno. 13:42:31 no. 13:42:32 no butts. 13:42:33 (HYUK HYUK) 13:42:37 :DDDDD 13:43:17 the theremin vid, i wanna hear how much you suck 13:43:28 AnMaster: hyperbolic. also, if they are, nothing can replace them. <-- hm, are there no public key algorithms _not_ based on unbreakable factorization or discrete logarithm? 13:43:51 i think a quantum computer can break all the secure things we know 13:44:06 there's one based on knapsack afaik 13:44:26 hmm 13:44:50 i know it can factorize and do discrete logarithms, i recall it is _not_ known how to solve NP-complete problems with it 13:45:01 yes, it's not 13:45:02 you can solve them 13:45:05 just not in P 13:45:06 no? 13:45:09 yeah 13:45:09 oklokok, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle-Hellman that one? 13:45:16 subexponential 13:45:18 superpolynomial 13:45:29 AnMaster: no idea, not even gonna check 13:45:45 i've just heard rumors. 13:45:50 we are talking breaking encryption here, obviously only tractable things count 13:46:10 oklokok, wikipedia claims that it has been broken though 13:46:34 AnMaster: MMMMMMHMMMMMM 13:46:48 i know pretty much nothing about anything 13:46:56 can quantum computers not do NP in NP or sth? 13:47:15 i'm not sure what thatm eans 13:47:17 *that means 13:48:39 well you were saying like you can't do NP with quantum computers 13:48:41 you can't do it in P sure 13:48:44 but can't you do it in NP? 13:48:51 like do you have to do it in evenslowerthannp or something 13:48:55 er wait 13:48:56 13:45 oklokok: subexponential 13:48:56 13:45 oklokok: superpolynomial 13:48:58 i misread this 13:49:00 lol 13:50:50 ehird: you'd think quantum P algorithms include ordinary P algorithm, so for one interpretation of NP it's sort of obvious 13:51:08 namely, just add guess inputs 13:51:10 oh right everything's either P or NP 13:51:12 .................. 13:51:15 i'm fucking retarded 13:51:19 oklokok: hit me on the head with a stick 13:51:35 well not *everything* 13:51:45 oh 13:51:50 oklokok: oh right, some things are impossible 13:51:50 :P 13:52:00 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 13:52:04 * oklokok too 13:52:29 there are an infinite number of complexity classes above NP 13:52:32 i'm dumb today 13:52:34 also swatted 13:52:37 swat 13:52:39 switten 13:53:18 oklokok: we make a good swat team 13:53:27 * AnMaster ponders putting " i'm dumb today" in topic. 13:54:02 oerjan: i agree 13:54:58 we should buy like a swat car 13:55:03 and a butler 13:55:08 and blackjack 13:55:09 and hookers 13:55:12 forget the butler. 13:57:25 QUBITS are what QUANTUM COMPUTERS are for. <-- that does not mean all uses of qubits require the most advanced system. quantum encryption doesn't need much computation, just generation of stuff, so 0 Kelvin may not be needed for all i know 13:57:36 oerjan: it's not about power 13:57:50 it's about decoherence 13:57:52 right 13:57:54 and superconductivity 13:58:08 anyway you can emulate qubits ofc. 13:58:18 oerjan: but all quantum computers are based on superconductivity 13:58:23 and you need über lower temperatures for that 13:58:24 so... 13:59:18 the point is things like the factorization algorithm is i think _insanely_ sensitive to noise because of the complexity, and quantum encryption is much simpler so might not need that low temperature, is my intuition. of course i don't really know this. 13:59:18 -!- CakeProphet_ has joined. 13:59:34 oerjan: that's just decoherence 13:59:37 superconductivity is the thing 13:59:44 it's not that we'd get messed up answers 13:59:50 it just wouldn't run at higher temperatures 14:00:04 there is high-temperature superconductivity in case you didn't know 14:00:14 there is? 14:00:15 neat 14:00:39 oerjan: but is there a relatively high temperature where we both have a low risk of decoherence AND superconductivity? 14:00:41 depends how high high is 14:00:46 if really high, then decoherence would fuck shit up 14:00:47 i vaguely recall they got it up past CO2 level 14:01:06 in the latest discovery 14:02:09 ehird: well my point is that the temperature needed to prevent the decoherence part probably depends on how sensitive the use is, and i expect encryption to be much less sensitive than factorization 14:02:25 yes, but if it needs to be really high it'll interfere with anything 14:03:21 i should take a course in the quantums 14:03:30 nahh 14:03:31 sure, but it's a long step from a millionth of a kelvin to a couple hundred of them 14:03:35 too many special cases, oklokok 14:03:38 it's not elegant enough :P 14:03:49 what do you mean? 14:03:56 oerjan: i suppose. even so, quantum computers are still really fucking hard 14:04:04 that i agree 14:04:19 * oerjan should actually look up this for encryption 14:04:22 oklokok: well, it's not very mathematically pure, the fundamental physics. it's just a jumble of crap that happens to work together without any underlying sort of unification 14:04:43 maybe so. 14:04:45 it doesn't really describe the fundamental thing behind all these things, it just takes them as axioms, so to speak 14:04:49 or at least, that's my impression 14:05:11 wish I had $70mil to buy a d-wave 14:05:58 -!- CakeProphet_ has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060308]"). 14:06:48 hm the wp quantum cryptography article says nothing about cooling whatsoever 14:07:08 that's a quantum computer issue, though 14:07:14 not really related to the cryptography 14:13:30 AnMaster: oh dear jane goodall is a hoax O_O 14:14:06 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:14:55 I went WTF then thought "oh, IWC". 14:15:02 :D 14:15:20 mission accomplished 14:19:57 Intensified WHO Cooperation? 14:20:13 yes 14:20:47 Damn that World Health Organization and their fairly arbitrary hoaxes involving naturalists ... 14:21:11 Huh, andrew cooke is on lesswrong. 14:21:16 (So's gwern.) 14:23:39 i want to be a solipsist missionary when i grow up 14:24:00 so you just go around telling people they don't exist 14:24:08 clearly less wrong thinking needs to be well typed 14:24:32 oklokok: no no 14:24:38 i go around telling people that _I_ don't exist 14:24:41 and nor does anybody else but them 14:24:42 :D 14:24:43 right 14:24:55 fiendish 14:25:04 i wonder if anyone's actually a reverse solipsist 14:25:06 everyone exists but me 14:25:14 that would be quite a hard belief to keep up :D 14:25:22 sometimes i think none of us exist 14:25:34 just kinda hard to imagine anything would exist 14:25:51 oklokok: apart from your consciousness 14:25:54 that's quite easy to existimagine 14:26:01 you are conscious right :D 14:26:03 dunno 14:26:34 i guess i am, i don't see how that proves anything 14:26:44 oklokok: also these people i tell that I don't exist and nor does anybody else but them, they don't exist 14:26:54 i go around telling people who don't exist that I don't exist and nor does anybody else but them 14:27:52 you could take it one step further 14:28:19 you could go around and tell people only, say, Sarah Palin exists 14:28:57 oerjan: that wouldn't make my beliefs inconsistent to what i preach to them, though 14:28:59 which is the whole funny part 14:29:11 lol 14:29:12 yes it would 14:29:17 A solipsist to some arbitrary third party. 14:29:21 I don't exist, I'm his delusion. 14:29:43 oerjan: no, if he'd believe only sarah palin existed as well 14:29:44 i am assuming you don't believe only Sarah Palin exists. i might be going out on a limb here, i realize. 14:30:07 oerjan: he probably preaches what he believes 14:30:09 No, clearly only you exist. 14:30:12 We're all your delusion. 14:30:38 well you are only delusion, obviously, this is irc 14:31:12 oerjan: we're talking hypothetical of course 14:31:17 saying "you don't exist, only sarah palin does" isn't the same as 14:31:26 "You (who doesn't exist, only I do) exist, but nobody else does." 14:31:35 yay, edit war! 14:31:54 wat 14:32:09 well. edit is tide backwards 14:32:22 on wiki 14:32:30 a small one, so far 14:32:35 (diff) (hist) . . 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Oerjan (Talk | contribs) (The description still makes no sense with infinite cell size, so cannot be Turing complete.) 14:32:38 is two edits an edit war? 14:32:46 a tiny one :) 14:33:09 well when they revert ME, it is 14:34:07 * ehird makes a mental note never to revert oerjan's edits 14:34:38 good, good 14:35:55 -!- M0ny has joined. 14:55:31 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 15:05:30 someone threw spam in the turing tarpit again 15:05:41 l 15:08:28 Yum 15:08:45 Turn it into an esolang 15:08:47 -!- GregorR has set topic: This topic intentionally left blank | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 15:08:54 -!- ehird has set topic: obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 15:08:56 :| 15:09:06 the topic rocks. obviously you're stupid who don't understand that 15:10:41 is "don't" grammatically correct there? i could see a language doing it both ways 15:11:22 the whole sentence is grammatically incorrect, that's why it's funny 15:11:29 "obviously I'm stupid who" ← wrong 15:11:32 "who don't" ← wrong 15:11:52 specifically, it's funny because it's sarcastically stating that he's stupid, but demonstrates stupidity. 15:11:57 * oerjan doesn't get why the first part is wrong 15:12:17 obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that 15:13:06 "obviously I'm stupid", stupid is an adjective 15:13:08 "who", who what? 15:13:23 "obviously I'm stupid and" would work 15:13:28 "obviously I'm a stupid person who" would also 15:13:35 -!- fizzie has joined. 15:13:40 hi FireFly 15:13:42 fizzie: 15:13:49 ah interesting. the corresponding norwegian is entirely correct. 15:14:08 but we don't require adjectives to be embellished to be used as simple nouns 15:14:11 Helloes. Seems that the box where my bouncer is died on me. 15:14:16 fungot: Are you still alive, though? 15:14:16 fizzie: so then define adds a binding to that frame pointers for old frames will be freed. in c, fnord 15:14:39 It just needs a comma and a "doesn't" 15:14:40 Yeesh 15:14:49 "In C, fnord." Yes. Well, it's not the ISP's fault then. 15:14:51 And a question mark :P 15:15:11 wut 15:15:22 "obviously I'm Stupid Who; don't understand that?" 15:15:46 Yes ... that was a comma, "doesn't" and question mark. 15:16:41 yes 15:16:42 it was 15:25:29 oerjan: ah interesting. the corresponding norwegian is entirely correct. <<< same finnish too 15:25:39 well at least not entirely wrong 15:26:28 oerjan, hi, was away. and I read iwc long before you said that today. 15:26:31 Prolly same swedish then too. 15:26:47 GregorR: where would you put the comma? 15:26:48 Heh. The random slogan I got on http://seaside.st/ is "This is not how the web works." Such snarky guys. 15:27:04 ohh! 15:27:05 oklokok: Not below a dot, turning it into a semicolon :P 15:27:05 :D 15:27:18 "obviously i'm stupid, who doesn't understand that" 15:27:19 right 15:27:31 he didn't mean that 15:27:36 heh 15:27:37 Ah, good :P 15:27:47 Well, in that case 15:27:52 obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that 15:27:58 Obviously I'm stupid Who Don; T understand that? 15:28:41 * oklokok checks if he actually meant to say that. 15:29:25 oh right 15:29:34 AnMaster: ehird, obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that, so please inform me. <<< can't mean that in the context 15:29:42 Obviously I'm Stu. π/d, who don't understand that. 15:29:47 i think GregorR was the joking 15:29:59 yes, probably 15:30:06 but i still had to check 15:30:14 Obviously I'm stew. PID who — don't understand that? 15:30:28 is this the day of misunderstandments or what? 15:30:43 Misunderstandments is quite unwordy. 15:30:44 i thought you said misunderstatements 15:30:45 AnMaster: obviously I'm misunderstanding who don't understand that 15:30:51 Don't you misunderestimate me. 15:30:54 :D 15:30:57 heh 15:31:34 There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. 15:31:43 Such wise words. 15:32:30 SUCH A SIMPLE SAYING 15:32:32 WHO THE FUCK SCREWS THAT UP 15:32:38 Bush. 15:32:43 I know that :P 15:32:46 :P 15:32:56 was that a bushism? 15:33:02 Yes :( 15:33:03 The misunderestimating thing was. 15:33:13 fizzie: mine was too. 15:33:24 me too 15:33:24 :D 15:33:25 cool 15:33:27 Someone should remix the Who song to have that. 15:34:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A 15:35:28 misunderestimate me once... 15:35:36 oerjan: NO. 15:35:41 We cannot handle that much stupid in one sentence. 15:35:50 STUPID FILTERS ON OVERLOAD 15:35:58 I hypothesize that all the bushisms in one would destroy the universe just by existing. 15:36:20 ehird: we think so much alike, you and i 15:36:40 except for the bitching, that is. 15:37:03 :D 15:37:49 "Squeak Smalltalk and Cincom VisualWorks both provide distributed development tools similar to got or mercurial" 15:37:51 got. 15:38:15 I was gonna git got, but I got git instead. 15:38:25 * ehird claps^3 15:38:28 *clap^3 15:38:35 hm only one google hit for "misunderestimate me once" 15:38:55 http://www.pharo-project.org/pictures/bc/ye4zb2kumqhtmjlkxg4opq1zk1y2rm/iphone-720.png ← THE DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT OF THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUTUUUUUUUUUREEEEEEEE 15:39:09 ehird: it wasn't quite a slow clap, then? 15:39:15 oerjan: in quotes? 15:39:20 if not in quotes isn't that a googlewhack? 15:39:30 oerjan: "* ehird clap clap clap" sounds slow to me 15:39:41 it does? 15:40:47 fine then, 15:40:50 *clap.^3 15:40:53 *clap. ^3 15:40:54 to be precise 15:41:03 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 15:41:08 > fun.concat.iterate(' ':)$"clap" :: Expr 15:41:09 clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap ... 15:41:56 those first spaces sort of ruined it 15:43:27 ehird: oh, in quotes yes 15:43:31 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:43:44 ehird: so that vid we were discussing 15:43:48 -_- 15:43:51 Later, kay? 15:43:56 I'm just not ready for a career in porn. 15:43:57 :o 15:43:58 food -> 15:43:58 kay! 15:44:00 (I still find that funny) 15:44:01 :D 15:44:04 how much later? 15:44:13 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times 15:44:17 `wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in hours 15:44:21 `wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in months 15:44:22 about 5 years i would guess 15:44:22 that's much too... 15:44:24 `wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in years 15:44:24 No output. 15:44:27 wat 15:44:27 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in months \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Planck times to months \ Result: \ \ 4.103 1023 months \ Additional conversions: 30 \ 15:44:31 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in hours \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Planck times to hours \ Result: \ \ 2.995 1026 hours \ Additional conversions: 30 \ \ 1.078 15:44:35 oerjan: 4 months. 15:44:37 er wait 15:44:39 these are timeses 15:44:46 Fuck It I'll Use The Site. 15:45:08 oerjan: well actually 15:45:16 oerjan: it's 2.5 x 10^12 x universe age (1 universe age) 15:45:19 * ehird lols @ 1 universe age 15:45:29 oerjan: (roughly) 15:45:37 3.419 x 10^19 millennia :D 15:45:46 long. 15:45:48 oerjan: 3.419 x 10^13 eons apparently 15:45:55 > logBase 2 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 15:45:56 243.50075092677744 15:46:01 so please do it faster 15:46:02 256 bits should be enough for anyone. 15:46:06 oklokok: k 15:46:16 it'll be done before the heat death of the universe 15:46:17 i promise 15:46:18 i mean much faster 15:46:30 maybe even faster than that 15:50:10 -!- jix_ has joined. 15:51:16 -!- pikhq has joined. 15:52:07 Deewiant, there? 15:52:10 Aye 15:52:34 Deewiant, iirc there was some fingerprint containing some instruction like ? but that changed to one of ^v<> when an IP first executed it? 15:52:40 However I can't find which fingerprint 15:53:18 any idea of which it was? Or did I just imagine that existed? 15:53:35 TOYS, of course 15:54:01 ah right. I just realised I need to add a note how that instruction works when ATHR is used 15:54:37 links toys 15:54:42 Err, you sure you can't generalize it beyond mentioning a specific instruction like that 15:55:01 (*link) 15:55:16 http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/library/TOYS.html 15:55:21 Deewiant, self-modifying instructions might get executed by more than one ip before the changes are visible to other threads? 15:55:33 something like that you mean 15:55:34 Why self-modifying 15:55:51 Any instructions that change Funge-Space, no? 15:56:07 true, that is generalised already hm 16:01:44 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:07:34 i want continuations in all languages, dammit. 16:07:44 i'd use haskell but it feels awkward to do such imperative things. 16:09:05 ehird: C++ LISTENS! 16:09:19 pikhq: Closures are not continuations. 16:09:24 Please stop confusing them. 16:09:29 Oh, right. 16:09:37 It's not the concepts, it's the words, BTW. 16:09:51 I realise that they're different, I just keep on sticking the wrong words on them. ;) 16:17:46 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:21:04 16:20 Lil`Cube: .:11:20:. CTCP PING reply from ehird: -262742.-55 seconds 16:22:04 16:21 Lil`Cube: .:11:21:. CTCP PING reply from Dylan: 2130784.703 seconds 16:32:43 those time traveling cubes are weird 16:34:58 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 16:53:27 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 17:34:31 -!- jix has joined. 18:04:48 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:14:02 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:18:06 -!- sgeo has joined. 18:19:15 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 18:21:12 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 18:22:01 -!- M0ny has quit. 18:27:48 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:29:39 * pikhq hath new hard drive 18:29:52 Will do LVM fiddling post-work. 18:31:55 but with closures, you can do cps, not needing explicit continuations 18:32:45 Indeed. It's not a great way of doing it, but it works. 18:33:42 i'm going to watch tv now :o 18:33:42 -> 18:39:17 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 18:45:44 -!- fizzie` has joined. 18:46:20 -!- fizzie` has quit (Client Quit). 18:46:59 -!- fizzie` has joined. 18:47:40 -!- fizzie has changed nick to fizziew. 18:47:44 -!- fizzie` has changed nick to fizzie. 19:17:38 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:22:27 http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=-3226-07-29 19:22:39 -!- Ilari has joined. 19:58:45 -!- GregorR-L_ has joined. 20:01:12 -!- coppro has joined. 20:08:58 I realise that they're different, I just keep on sticking the wrong words on them. ;) <-- same as me yeah 20:09:04 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:25:43 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 20:25:44 -!- MigoMipo_ has joined. 20:26:24 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:43:24 -!- MigoMipo_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:50:30 you two do realize both have kinda descriptive names. 20:54:28 oklokok, yep 20:56:00 anyway, have you heard about this theremin thing 20:56:05 yes... 20:56:27 there was lots of talk about theremins yesterday 20:58:26 -!- jix has quit ("leaving"). 20:58:28 today. 20:58:32 -!- GregorR-L_ has changed nick to GregorR-L. 20:58:33 ehird, as well 20:58:38 -!- jix has joined. 20:58:53 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:01:58 -!- Judofyr has joined. 21:02:03 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 21:22:23 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 21:22:38 http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/7-15-09/DoneHam.jpg 21:45:28 -!- jix has quit ("leaving"). 21:45:58 -!- jix has joined. 21:50:05 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 21:51:08 @src last 21:51:08 last [x] = x 21:51:08 last (_:xs) = last xs 21:51:08 last [] = undefined 21:51:34 > let foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" 21:51:36 "agbfced* Exception: Prelude.last: empty list 21:51:44 > let foop [] = []; foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" 21:51:45 "agbfced* Exception: Prelude.last: empty list 21:51:51 > let foop [] = []; foop [x] = [x]; foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" 21:51:53 "agbfced" 21:51:58 ^scramble abcdefg 21:51:59 acegfdb 21:52:12 Huh. Oh. 21:53:12 ^unscramble abcdefg 21:53:12 agbfced 21:53:28 right. 21:55:04 ^scramble penis 21:55:05 pnsie 21:55:07 teehee 21:55:39 ^scramble eggs 21:55:40 egsg 21:55:44 Though I think this was done already. 21:56:01 pnsie 21:56:07 ^unscramble penis 21:56:08 psein 21:58:20 ^unscramble eggs 21:58:20 Too much entropy. :/ 21:59:20 lulz 21:59:25 ^unscramble a 21:59:26 a 21:59:32 ^unscramble 21:59:54 (Okay, so I cheated a tiny tiny little miniscule bit by temporarily altering the unscramblation definition.) 22:00:03 :D 22:06:11 ^unscramble eggs 22:06:11 esgg 22:06:14 hm 22:06:24 why did it say " Too much entropy. :/" there then? 22:06:25 AnMaster: maybe like this: a=0, b=1, a=b+a, fnord, fnord 22:06:39 ah right 22:06:59 21:59 fizzie: (Okay, so I cheated a tiny tiny little miniscule bit by temporarily altering the unscramblation definition.) 22:07:17 ehird, saw that later 22:07:28 Don't you hate it when I logread and reply before reading on? 22:07:29 Eh? Eh? 22:07:31 Hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyypocrite. 22:07:57 ehird, I was just trying to demonstrate to you why other people are irritated by it. 22:08:01 to make you stop 22:08:10 Retcon. 22:08:11 Retcooooooon. 22:08:12 thus I didn't read it all at once this time 22:08:14 Reeeeeeeeeeeeetcoooooooooooooooon. 22:08:28 ehird, you are free to believe what you want. *shrug* 22:10:54 AnMaster: Hey, that's what I said to you after faking the Tanasinn page screensh— er. 22:11:09 (Hey, you did half-believe that it might be scrambling pages or not based on the IP at the end.) 22:11:37 ehird, actually mostly half-agreed to that just to end the argument, being tired of you. 22:11:50 but indeed I wasn't sure 22:11:51 * ehird signs. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetcoooooon. 22:11:57 sings, rather. 22:12:01 ehird, Note that I wasn't sure. 22:12:16 but not half-believe 22:12:18 Yes, but I strung you on for quite a while and made you doubt something. 22:12:22 more like 1/4-believe 22:12:28 Therefore, successful troll is successful. 22:12:40 ehird, we all know you are a troll 22:13:26 I think you can only say that with an overly general definition of troll. 22:28:48 -!- jix has joined. 22:29:18 o 22:29:30 o 22:36:11 Hm if you need integer arithmetics, and only have normal integer division/reminder/multiplication and so on, what is the best way to implement a division that rounds upwards instead of downwards. 22:36:27 I can't use floating point due to precision issues. 22:38:46 something like (C syntax, ignoring overflow): a = x / y; b = x % y; if (b == 0) return a; else return a+1; ? 22:39:01 only need to work for non-negative numbers btw 22:40:13 For GNU C, just that. 22:40:23 (standard C is not guaranteed to round up or down) 22:40:44 pikhq, I'm not actually implementing in C. just used C for clarity. 22:41:13 Sorry, that's C90. C99 guarantees it rounds towards 0. 22:42:27 pikhq, for integer arithmetics? 22:42:57 I knew it was a bit unclear for floating point, but for integer arithmetics too?! 22:43:05 Yeah. 22:43:18 Implementation-defined = fun. 22:56:18 -!- zzo38 has joined. 22:58:07 I have now written the BlooP/FlooP basic functions in Suxesol, to show that successor function is all that is necessary to implement these 23:01:34 -!- zzo38 has set topic: obviously I'm understand who don't stupid that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 23:01:37 -!- zzo38 has quit. 23:03:17 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:05:04 For reasonable x, y, you can just (x+y-1)/y. With the standard truncating division that works. For k*y you get (k*y+y-1)/y = k (since the (y-1)/y part is 0) and for k*y+1 it's (k*y+1+y-1)/y = ((k+1)*y)/y = k+1. 23:05:50 And obviously (k*y+n)/y rounds up to k+1 for any n in the [1, y] range. 23:15:31 And FWIW, at least the C89 draft at least specifices the truncating division. "When integers are divided and the division is inexact, if both operands are positive the result of the / operator is the largest integer less than the algebraic quotient --". What is implementation-defined is what happens when there are negative numbers, which you said you don't care about. 23:15:51 Sleepity now. 23:16:37 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 23:29:12 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:36:05 " For reasonable x, y" <-- when you are back, what do you define as "reasonable" here? 23:37:23 all I know is that x and y are both positive integers. Which one is largest is unknown, but it is quite possible to have 5 / 1000000 or similar. 23:37:34 in case that was what you meant as "unreasonable" 23:41:54 y=0 is unreasonable, I assume. 23:43:04 He said "positive", not non-negative. 23:43:17 0 is positive. 23:43:19 And also negative. 23:43:36 Depends on who you ask. 23:44:00 GregorR, The way I heard it matches what you said. 23:44:13 that is, 0 being neither positive or negative 23:44:22 ehird: Wikipedia says "0 is neither positive nor negative." 23:44:26 Therefore I win. 23:45:05 your mom is a butt.