< 1247616513 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247618409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿˙ < 1247618410 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- < 1247618499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1247618926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1247618972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One thing everybody agrees on: The banner ad is still dead." — suck.com, 2001-04-24 < 1247619298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, they had those, didn't they? < 1247619372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1247619392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to note that Sarah Palin is freaking insane. < 1247619402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the world's greatest troll. < 1247619415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's apparently intending to start a new conservative party. < 1247619499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for her. < 1247619509 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is a party for all the unimaginably stupid people to go into. < 1247619519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't think Ron Paul will join. < 1247619533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he'll found his own, even more marginal party :) < 1247619537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ron Paul definitely wouldn't. He's smarter than his fanboys. ;) < 1247619550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's not saying much, though; he's batshit insane. < 1247619552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wait. So's Palin. < 1247619555 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two benefits to Palin's party: 1) The republican party is reduced to republicans, not republicans plus armies of morons. 2) These people will now identify and label themselves quite clearly. < 1247619569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Woah now. < 1247619571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go that far. < 1247619598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Her supporters think that she should be in office. Need I say more? < 1247619601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been bugged by someone who can code Ruby semi-decently that supports Palin. Sure, doesn't take much, but that's further than Palin could ever get. :P < 1247619603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ouch. < 1247619612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1247619612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even she doesn't think that. < 1247619612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair dos. < 1247619613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1247619622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GregorR: Two benefits to Palin's party: 1) The republican party is reduced to republicans" < 1247619626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd at your naïvety < 1247619637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called idealism :P < 1247619658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, the Democrats will soon become left-wing. < 1247619684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES YES. < 1247619704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…and will, by virtue of this, forevermore be a fringe party. < 1247619709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo, and they said: Let there be Kucinich. And there was Kucinich. And it was good. < 1247619714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, we'll have the two main parties: < 1247619726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republican Party for America, and the American Party of Republicans (Palin's). < 1247619736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247619749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that happens, I can say but one thing: Nuke it from orbit. < 1247619749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Kucinich? Nice policies, not so nice "I will release the documents that will PROVE that the USA covered up a UFO landing in Roswell". < 1247619752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only way to be sure. < 1247619763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... He never said that. < 1247619775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O rly. < 1247619784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kucinich merely claimed that he had seen a UFO. Specifically, he saw something flying that he didn't know what it was. < 1247619797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on. You seriously think anyone would say "UFO" to mean that? < 1247619798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be as dumbtarded as Palin supporters, please. < 1247619799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1247619815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just… that's so stupidly tenuous that I can't even believe it. < 1247619822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who's reasonable would, yes. < 1247619854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you respond with a strawman claiming that he believes that the US covered up an alien landing in Roswell. < 1247619856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Please inform pikhq that he is saying that he thinks Kucinich saying "I saw a UFO!" meant "I saw an object that was flying and I did not identify it at the time". < 1247619858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Bushtarded. < 1247619859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure he fully understands. < 1247619870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Bushtarded. < 1247619873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was a year or two ago I read it, kay? < 1247619877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory is not perfect. < 1247619882 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm quite sure you don't fully understand. < 1247619903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby declare you to all be Fucking Nuts. < 1247619921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You're in a country that voted in nazis. < 1247619923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please cease this botanical intercourse. < 1247619925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not one to talk. < 1247619925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247619925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: People wonder why people hate the US so much. It's because they get the WEIRDEST impression of what's going on. < 1247619943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't support them, I didn't vote for them, I want them out, but I can't vote. < 1247619945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hands are clean. < 1247619960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Correction: People hate the US because you're all batshit insane. < 1247619968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The miscommunication is a side issue. < 1247619975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And so're you. < 1247619978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247619978 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Thank you for the proof of my point. < 1247619989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm batshit insane. I don't run a country. < 1247619998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cuukoo! cuukoo! < 1247620004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bawak! Bawak! Ding dong, ding dong. < 1247620007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smashes alarm clock. < 1247620021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, there's only one 'u' in 'cuckoo'. Also there's two 'c's. < 1247620042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying sounds, not words. < 1247620042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nyah. < 1247620062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, how is your 'uu' sound distinct from your 'oo' sound? < 1247620074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does this new word cuhckoo mean? < 1247620081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyy, Google tasks is out of beta cool < 1247620084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: fu :P < 1247620089 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1247620113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1247622136 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247622626 0 :Batmanifestdesti!n=IceChat7@ip68-97-9-76.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247622660 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I need some ideas for a language < 1247622707 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making a satanic programming language called LeVey, but it was too similar to C++ < 1247622713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1247622731 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how it's similar: < 1247622732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|o| Hello world program in LeVay |o| < 1247622732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summon stdlib! < 1247622732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1247622732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : conjure demon ~Hello, Satan!~! < 1247622732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1247622734 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popo! < 1247622766 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about my previous idea for a CPU where literally every internal bit of the CPU is memory mapped, such that an operation can actually change what the CPU is doing midst that very operation. Pipelining for even more lawls < 1247622775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs to be more bizarre -- may I suggest more conjuring of spirits and invocations? < 1247622782 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1247622815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I fail to see what that concept has to do with /LeVey/ Satanism. :P < 1247622854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: I JUST got your nick. I would have gotten it earlier if it wasn't cut off. < 1247622856 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well....popo! is the common call for when police are coming to wreck a party/ritual ;) < 1247622869 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1247622874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1247622922 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should change the name, since I'm making it more mystic than sticking it to the man < 1247623040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it seems to have more to do with common European fantasy than with a vaguely animist religion centered in greed. ;p < 1247623084 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(08:57:31 PM) brianrogers83: Imagine with Adam West's voice: < 1247623084 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Robin, we need to expand our country to both coasts. Fetch the bat-manifest destiny." < 1247623118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1247623131 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol! < 1247623767 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, wanna see my latest idea? < 1247623800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? < 1247623832 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|m| number addition in Draconian |m| < 1247623832 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|m| Single line comments look like this |m| < 1247623832 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o=}=> Multiple line comments < 1247623832 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go between these sacrificial daggers <={=o < 1247623832 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie up virgin! |m| tie up is the command to call over the standard library, in this case being virgin, the standard library |m| < 1247623834 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill virgin! |m| this is the command to start the main program |m| < 1247623836 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open vial! |m| pops memory stacks from previous programs, just in case they didn't already. |m| < 1247623838 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slit wrist! |m| makes the program wait for number input |m| < 1247623840 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pour blod in vial! |m| pushes the number input into the stack |m| < 1247623842 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slit wrist! < 1247623844 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pour blood in vial! < 1247623846 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingle 2 fluids! |m| Adds the top 2 numbers of the stack, and puts the value into the top |m| < 1247623848 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chant incantations! |m| Displays the content at the top of the stack |m| < 1247623850 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dispose of body! |m| Ends the program |m| < 1247623899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much in the way of semantics, but interesting syntax, at least. < 1247623958 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exclamation point to end each line :) < 1247624130 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that would be awesome would be a programming language where the source is a sound file < 1247624507 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a language based on the style of E.E Cummings! < 1247625637 0 :sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247625763 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings! < 1247625803 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1247626147 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247626172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another incomprehensibility < 1247626257 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's oerjan's response to most things. < 1247626291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines oerjan walking up to a door with an unusual knob; "ah, another incomprehensibility" < 1247626309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, those actually _are_ question marks in the topic? devious. < 1247626335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you know, that is depressingly close to accurate. < 1247626340 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1247626347 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you say it dramatically it's just awesomel. < 1247626349 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1247626359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, imagine that as said by Patrick Stewart. < 1247626359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not in that particular kind of instance, but yet... < 1247626390 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just came up with another language, this one I enjoyed making more :) < 1247626391 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://txtb.in/3jE < 1247626470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: NEW ESOLANGER. CRITICAL HASKELL DENSITY HAS BEEN LOST. < 1247626479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247626490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+2)<$>[0..10] -- RESTORING NOW < 1247626492 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1247626492 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: NotAllowed "These modules... < 1247626499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SUCK AT THIS < 1247626515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1247626515 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully this language will be turing-complete :) < 1247626517 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1247626540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is... Quite clever. < 1247626555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that isn't dense haskell i don't know what is. < 1247626579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid it looks too Lispy. Needs more $. :P < 1247626585 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand what that means :P < 1247626650 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try throwing in a & for good luck < 1247626660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: it creates an infinite list of primes, by abusing the nubBy function which is normally used to delete "equal elements" from a list < 1247626660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: Why, it simply goes through the list of all numbers greater than two and removes the ones for which the greatest common denominator between it and anything previous in the list is greater than 1. < 1247626697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it uses an "equal function" that is an obfuscated version of "has common factors" < 1247626712 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it was some awesome Fibbinaci thing < 1247626717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1247626724 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I realized that it isn't < 1247626729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be this: < 1247626739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1247626740 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1247626745 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1247626758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1247626768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 < 1247626769 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1247626782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar. < 1247626803 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs moar & in my opinion, but ok < 1247626818 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't change coding < 1247626821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More &? Are you a C-er? < 1247626821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& isn't very common in haskell alas, although && does mean "and" < 1247626831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .&. is bitwise and < 1247626841 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I do in fact use C++ as one of my languages < 1247626847 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one is L.in.oleum < 1247626853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEW. < 1247626915 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, with low-level programming, you could make a compiler for your own language, and have it not go slow as heck/be a giant file when compiled < 1247626918 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1247626938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just do that in Haskell. < 1247626951 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? < 1247626967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The high-level language we've been using. < 1247626978 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.....it's high-level! :P < 1247626983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a low-level language ... < 1247626990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247626992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really. < 1247626996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hush. < 1247626998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more statically typed than C++, that's for sure. < 1247627000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+2)<$>[0..10] -- why didn't this work? < 1247627001 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] < 1247627011 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It appears that it did work. < 1247627022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Clearly Lambdabot hates me. < 1247627022 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I've been using L.in.oleum more, as I like the mad scientist feeling it gives me < 1247627023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1247627031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Static typing does not make something low level. < 1247627045 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, my "low level" statement was just silliness :P < 1247627051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1247627062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But static typing does, in the case of Haskell, make it compilable to very fast code (as well as various other tweaks) < 1247627064 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is important. < 1247627071 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247627089 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT! is it at nearly a 1:1 ratio to ASM? XD < 1247627098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also lets you pretend that state is a figment of the universe's imagination. < 1247627111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: It's so not even remotely comparable. < 1247627117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: That's not something C++ does, and that's not a good property to have in a language other than assembly. < 1247627127 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't do that, I know < 1247627147 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding, and referencing to L.in.oleum :D < 1247627159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this L.in.oleum? < 1247627167 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme pull it up for you < 1247627168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wikipedes < 1247627169 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec < 1247627197 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://anywherebb.com/bb/layout/html/frameset.html < 1247627207 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a link there to l.in.oleum :0 < 1247627211 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)* < 1247627236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMMIT INTERNET STOP BEING SO EFFING SLOW WITH THE FREAKING HTTP < 1247627276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DEMAND MOAR PACKETS < 1247627297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an _evil_ use of frames :( < 1247627305 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are good uses? < 1247627308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ACTUALLY DEMAND ANY PACKETS AT ALL < 1247627315 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can adjust it in the settings area < 1247627320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Yes. They all predate CSS. < 1247627382 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Counter Strike: Source would fail with frames < 1247627396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS MY BANDWIDTH PEAKING AT 1KBPS? < 1247627406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM YELLING A LOT < 1247627437 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told me that Twisted included a way to communicate with Orbited servers? < 1247627438 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1247627466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Portable assembler. < 1247627488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad. You should totally learn something highere level though. < 1247627505 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like high level very much < 1247627539 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter < 1247627549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which languages have you used? < 1247627597 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT-OOP, which is actually a scripting language, Java, and a bit of Python < 1247627604 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ and Lino < 1247627615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, crap, and not too bad. < 1247627619 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BASIC, and COBOL < 1247627645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, crap and A POX UPON ALL THAT IS RIGHT IN THE WORLD. < 1247627646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are just trying to freak pikhq out :D < 1247627671 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247627685 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oh! I've also tried FORTRAN! < 1247627712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, are you pulling up a list of all the *worst* languages and trying them? < 1247627718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised you even tried Python. :P < 1247627760 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I seriously tried all those ^_^; < 1247627790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often did they break your brain? < 1247627810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not often enough. < 1247627814 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty darn often < 1247627834 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news: I GOT A 3 ON MY AP EXAM!!! WOO! < 1247627842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1247627866 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APUSH < 1247627877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1247627896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs more calculus. :P < 1247627922 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for later :P < 1247627955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION derives you < 1247628125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tried making a satanic programming language called LeVey, but it was too similar to C++ < 1247628154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the first time someone comes into the channel and we're not sure if he misunderstood the name or not? :D < 1247628155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know, now that you mention it... < 1247628170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe it is. :P < 1247628189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ *is* a satanic programming language. I wonder if LeVey invented it. < 1247628196 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL! < 1247630451 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck leveyan satanism < 1247630523 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that came almost out of nowhere < 1247630954 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247631021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It deserves it, though. < 1247631298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's been a naughty satanism. < 1247631301 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It knows it wants it. < 1247631342 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S&M? < 1247631502 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats this about S&M now < 1247631505 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1247631520 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur's getting excited < 1247631526 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur has "S&M" on highlight. < 1247631527 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting excited < 1247631533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... A-OK! < 1247631536 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i totally do < 1247631552 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be into S&M but I'm allergic to leather. < 1247631579 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^^^ nonsensicalliest sentence ever? I hope so, I'm entering it in the nonsensicalliest sentence ever competition!) < 1247631580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you nee to use leather. < 1247631613 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to use leather... < 1247631635 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use METAL! >:D < 1247631644 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal is cold and uncomfortable :( < 1247631651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'd... know anything about this < 1247631651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: Can't be chrome. That's why I'm allergic to leather :P < 1247631660 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that's a good thing < 1247631673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1247631705 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do S&M with Google Chrome? :P < 1247631717 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd get a nasty rash. < 1247631736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not the "ooh that's hot" kind. < 1247631749 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More the "no, this is the definition of 'pussy' meaning 'covered in pus'" kind. < 1247631789 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247631925 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247631950 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1247631970 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1247631999 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing you use emacs? < 1247632053 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's terrifying is not that he uses emacs at all, but that he is actually presently using emacs to talk on this IRC channel. < 1247632069 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: yes, I use emacs < 1247632097 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming languages do you use? < 1247632118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elisp] :P < 1247632133 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is being ... PREDICTIVE! < 1247632151 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: I'm a bad programmer < 1247632169 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but what programming language do you use or suck at? < 1247632193 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use Plain English, the best language ever designed < 1247632200 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl and elisp < 1247632206 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1247632220 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use C++, Lino and LOLCODE < 1247632251 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I find that statement amusing on so many levels :P < 1247632270 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. lolcode awesome < 1247632271 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain English is our little joke. < 1247632280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolcode is meg < 1247632281 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh* < 1247632282 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you mean you don't love french, with it's verb sandwiches? XD < 1247632309 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti : There is a programming language called Plain English < 1247632321 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the worst language known to man < 1247632324 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish PROTOCOPTER would get finished already, so that someone could get off their fanny and make a real compiler for lolcode < 1247632331 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247632421 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody install lfs? < 1247632436 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lfs? < 1247632470 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux from scratch < 1247632488 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247632495 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want that, try Arch < 1247632552 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use slackware now. I tried arch too. < 1247632569 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247632575 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which WM do you use? < 1247632618 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwin(kde) < 1247632645 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247632657 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never was a big KDE fan. I prefer IceWM < 1247632658 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like fluxbox, but I am lazy to decorate it < 1247632671 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluxbox is also cool < 1247632683 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yope < 1247632695 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion! < 1247632708 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? < 1247632718 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a meme-based programming language < 1247632732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "i her u liek adding a and b" < 1247632744 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you end the code with "KHAAAAAAAN!!!!" < 1247632806 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for an undefined integer you must put that it's "OVER 9000!!!!!!!!" < 1247632816 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amiright? < 1247632862 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247632894 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit: "Leaving" < 1247632894 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric> sorry, I do not understand. (I use google-translator :( ) < 1247632903 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247632927 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247632935 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't know english? < 1247632952 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to write a IRC client called PHIRC. It requires PuTTY to work, though. < 1247632966 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does coloring and all sorts of other stuff too. < 1247632970 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I don't know.... < 1247632981 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1247632989 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about nerd stuff < 1247633014 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Senders are cyan, commands are bold white, parameters are white, text after a colon is bold blue. Control characters are reverse video magenta. < 1247633089 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: ok, yes < 1247633145 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does automatic ping-pong. < 1247633172 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing space fills in PRIVMSG and the last channel used with PRIVMSG or JOIN command. However, it doesn't process redirects yet (I can add that to the next version). < 1247633206 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language are you making it in? < 1247633228 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, although it wraps forward, it doesn't wrap backward to the previous line when chr(127) is sent < 1247633233 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it iin PHP < 1247633239 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247633243 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1247633285 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get to work some time on my Lino skills, so that I can make an interpreter for my programming language < 1247633301 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think, "putty required" is not well for irc-crient. probably better to rewrite this part < 1247633304 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a compiler :3 < 1247633342 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | $BcfBd+qcfFd+scf@d+rcf@d+r(BBA[start] < 1247633362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: Please, no more LOLCODE. < 1247633367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was dumb then and it's dumb now. < 1247633384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, compilers and interpreters? Not as hard as you think. < 1247633403 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a few slash-commands. /C connects to a server and port, /Q quits (and closes PuTTY as well), /ECHO echoes a text to you. < 1247633415 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not making a new interpreter for lolcode < 1247633423 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would be unable to write compilers, unless it's a compiler to a language like Python or C < 1247633426 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I do disagree with your opinion on it ;) < 1247633432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they final < 1247633434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other slash command I will add is /WHOIS which acts like WHOIS but repeats the nickname < 1247633451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: C is a perfectly cromulent target language. < 1247633452 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about an interpreter or compiler for my own esoteric language < 1247633468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, get some Brainfuck stat. < 1247633474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a command script to load both PuTTY and PHIRC at the same time (including loading the profile in PuTTY) < 1247633492 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd rather not try doing BF < 1247633508 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try doing BF without the loops, for practice < 1247633537 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try reimplementing PSOX >.> < 1247633552 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be hard, considering I've never made in ainterpreter before >> < 1247633575 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti, BF without loops? Very good practice for making interpreters < 1247633611 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these all the possible channel prefix? !#%&+ < 1247633615 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss any? < 1247633629 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1247633654 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try reimplementing PSOX < 1247633671 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to add proper line editing and history access and stuff < 1247633686 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX is unnecessary, there's already a good enough implementation that just needs a few fixes if it's actually wanted by anyone, and it was a pain to write < 1247633700 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's ehird? < 1247633731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is not online right now. Please leave a message after the beep. < 1247633732 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died < 1247633778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHIRC also masks the password with asterisks (and green) if you type the PASS command. < 1247633809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make it wrap to the previous like when backspacing? < 1247633822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: According to the IRC spec at least. < 1247633876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I must have missed something. What's according to the IRC spec at least? < 1247633891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel prefixes. < 1247633917 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so I did not miss any of these channel prefixes, that's good. < 1247633951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is a safe from takeovers, # is network channel, & is local channel, + is nobody can be operator, % is used in IRCX < 1247634160 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247634249 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those work on Freenode < 1247634289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCORRECT! < 1247634296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# works on Freenode < 1247634304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1247634325 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you ducking when you point out an obvious stupidity on my part? < 1247634354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid random violence < 1247634364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people cannot take criticism < 1247634375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be one of them ;) < 1247634407 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must...eat....yogurt......brb < 1247634423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must...avoid...yogurt...like the plague < 1247634466 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was the sort of person unable to take criticism, I would have invented a way to hurt ehird over TCP/IP by now >.> < 1247634521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true < 1247634880 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here use Piet? < 1247635059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recently that i can recall < 1247635133 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g eat < 1247635154 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the salad be with you < 1247635475 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247636911 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1247637560 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi greasy < 1247637637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Arrividerci" < 1247637983 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1247637993 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1247637999 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm" < 1247638727 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247639007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247639043 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247639110 0 :DarkPants!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1247639664 0 :Batmanifestdesti!n=HP_Admin@ip68-97-9-76.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247639690 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blarg, I fail at Piet < 1247639810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247640820 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor greasy... < 1247640848 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be piet forums for posting programs and stuff, that would be awesome :D < 1247641365 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247641474 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Pthing! < 1247641493 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1247641525 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming you're here because you like making your brain hurt? < 1247641694 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...maybe you're here to Idle, like everyone else :\ < 1247641863 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what?! < 1247642033 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I emailed the guy who made Piet, Chef, Zombie and all that jazz, and asked if I could make a Piet forum! < 1247644799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1247644800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1247645053 0 :Batmanifestdesti!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247645140 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.108.244.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247645213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247645935 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247647365 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247647994 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster_ipv6: oerjan, STOP BEING SO UN-NORWEGIAN! RIGHT NOW! <<< yeswegian < 1247648199 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Bose had a commercial for headphones that came with a free MP3 player. This is how expensive Bose is. <<< i thought you meant they had a commercial for headphones you could only get by getting a free mp3 player :D < 1247648212 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so expensive they have commercials even for their free products. < 1247648493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247648836 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What we need is a party for all the unimaginably stupid people to go into. <<< you do realize the more organized they are, the more they can accomplish < 1247649371 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GregorR: you know, that is depressingly close to accurate. <<< i was recently baffled by this door; turned out you needed to *push* it < 1247649391 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like lol that was so algorithmically trivial, not worth solving < 1247650070 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batmanifestdesti: I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter <<< the hard work? as in, the trivialities not worth thinking about :P < 1247650310 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a name for people who think esolangs are about funny syntax < 1247650315 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we need esolangs < 1247650597 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, only 40 minutes of logs < 1247650606 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely not doing this every morning :D < 1247650612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as you are all idiots < 1247650634 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDDIOTS < 1247652252 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247652966 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247652979 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-032-235.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247653625 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247653984 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah just kidding. < 1247654006 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you < 1247655058 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247655061 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1247657675 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theremins cost. < 1247657982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: about £200 for an ok one < 1247658070 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want < 1247658075 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would own at that < 1247658079 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial < 1247658140 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how's this, have the volume controls at your feet and a pitch control for both hands < 1247658156 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247658167 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a bit more ultimate i think. < 1247658218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:12 Batmanifestdesti: I became disillusoned with it when I realized that most Python programmers leave the hard work to the interpreter < 1247658219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1247658263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:30 Batmanifestdesti: I use C++, Lino and LOLCODE < 1247658264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1247658291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:38 Batmanifestdesti: there should be a meme-based programming language < 1247658295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuck you < 1247658331 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing you might be able to come up with that term < 1247658335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:50 Batmanifestdesti: though I do disagree with your opinion on it ;) < 1247658337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTFO < 1247658345 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that about? < 1247658349 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last < 1247658355 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinion on what < 1247658357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:55 sgeo: Where's ehird? < 1247658359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere < 1247658361 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that < 1247658394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i will logread oklokok's questions < 1247658402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41 oklokok: i want < 1247658402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41 oklokok: i would own at that < 1247658403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41 oklokok: it's trivial < 1247658406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42 oklokok: so how's this, have the volume controls at your feet and a pitch control for both hands < 1247658412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not very trivial also that would be not needed. < 1247658415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complex. < 1247658432 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to do it right after i've mastered the one pitch version < 1247658434 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247658436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:45 oklokok: what was that about? < 1247658437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode < 1247658442 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should just buy both at once < 1247658445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:46 oklokok: what was that < 1247658447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno lol. < 1247658454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: oh, you can get them? < 1247658458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't aware < 1247658472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: imo the one pitch one volume is much better < 1247658477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still do everything < 1247658480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's less bloated. < 1247658481 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i doubt you can < 1247658486 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can? < 1247658491 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you make two pitches with it < 1247658527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: wavering very very quickly between them. this isn't hard because you need to have perfect steady hands to play it already. < 1247658533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, it sounds right. < 1247658540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to do 50 melodies at once, assemble an orchestra :D < 1247658540 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1247658543 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly boy < 1247658568 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 50, but would be nice to have a separate bassline < 1247658574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a theremin, you don't, I'm right < 1247658593 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't know anything about anything, didn't you hear me call you an idiot this morning < 1247658603 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that kinda mean i win? < 1247658617 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i want that theremin < 1247658620 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my point < 1247658640 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i even sucked at violin < 1247658644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i'll set up robotic hands for you so you can play the theremin over tcp ip. < 1247658648 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't even get a note out right away < 1247658686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very doubtful you'll be able to play a theremin well. right off the bat you need totally steady hands and the ability to make very precise, subtle hand movements in real time. _then_, you need to learn how to actually get it to produce music. < 1247658777 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me one attempt and about a minute to build my first card pyramid, which was 4 stories tall < 1247658781 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait two attempts < 1247658788 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have semisteady hands < 1247658804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi? < 1247658816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weiiiereireiriereirerierieriierieierierierr ← your projected theremin constant note < 1247658841 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dang < 1247658843 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again < 1247658848 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have awesome superhands < 1247658864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247658879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: you can easily make "experimental" music with it though < 1247658882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throw things at it < 1247658920 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you actually given it any effort? < 1247658928 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just out of interest < 1247658964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really give things effort < 1247659003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my programming skills are entirely down to unconcentrated trickles of not giving effort < 1247659084 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i'm more like you know ocd < 1247659233 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT A THEREMIN *NOW* < 1247659235 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247659244 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i wasn't in the middle of the woods < 1247659364 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird < 1247659369 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it for me < 1247659377 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show vid < 1247659391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i look like a mess. < 1247659409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway oklokok i went through a period of longing too. < 1247659423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say this: it's not worth £200 unless you already know you're a virtuoso :D < 1247659484 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can learn anything. < 1247659496 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even learned fishing < 1247659517 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just build one yourself if you want one < 1247659545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: uhh, no. < 1247659553 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247659554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like a shitty toy instrument < 1247659564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moog's theremins are beautiful < 1247659568 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much work < 1247659582 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1247659584 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rain < 1247659586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is awesome < 1247659586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1247659601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can get a good one later < 1247659608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you just want to try it out, just make your own < 1247659609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just buy one :P < 1247659620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whichever you consider easier < 1247659670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: come back < 1247659680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i'm about to cost you inordinate amounts of money < 1247659681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.moogmusic.com/theremin/?section=product&product_id=110 < 1247659693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1579 apparently they don't even make it any more, but it's fucking made of maplewood. < 1247659707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the electronics aren't. < 1247659712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks pretty. < 1247659751 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: building is too much work < 1247659764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronics made of maplewood would be fun < 1247659769 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to find a job, do it for a while, and buy a theremin. < 1247659778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if you can add something to wood to make it conduct < 1247659880 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what it'd look like if you melted wood into the form of a chair < 1247659898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much like a chair < 1247659905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, what is the melting point of wood? < 1247659946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would vary between (for example) teak and pine < 1247659957 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a singlest idea. < 1247659957 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1247659966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247659972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i don't have the singlest idea."? < 1247659995 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably tons < 1247660013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol AnMaster < 1247660016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wood doesn't melt... < 1247660016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons is for weight not temperature :P < 1247660016 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247660016 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the most single idea popped into my head. < 1247660027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in oxygen it burns yes < 1247660028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oklokok might know this < 1247660039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247660040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.international.inra.fr/press/like_metal_wood_can_melt_and_be_welded < 1247660044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you had an oxygen free chamber when you melt it < 1247660046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rely on pioneering international physics to do it < 1247660049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1247660051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where* < 1247660067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IG nobel price worthy? < 1247660092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ig nobel prize is most often an excuse to laugh at science that is considered "weird". < 1247660093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1247660107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discovery seems great to me, i doubt even they'd go that low < 1247660223 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, how is that a discovery < 1247660237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not < 1247660240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just work < 1247660261 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1247660265 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the url meant < 1247660273 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if metal wood could be melted! < 1247660283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247660311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, they cut out the comma < 1247660320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the url < 1247660344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247660347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really annoying. < 1247660383 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it funny < 1247660393 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all people should have a thing < 1247660395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you had to say that, didn't you. < 1247660403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's problem is that he has 50 things and they all suck. < 1247660443 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247660447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so does your mom < 1247660451 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's his thing < 1247660457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now, that's not one of your things, AnMaster. < 1247660463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even claim that, so stfu. < 1247660486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never claimed that. < 1247660494 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would've been the perfect spot to make the world's first your dad joke < 1247660505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, hah < 1247660513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: AnMaster's cognitive abilities are far below that stage as of yet. < 1247660521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are currently hoping he does not think to self-improve. < 1247660526 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, at least he recognizes quality humor. < 1247660533 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike *some people* < 1247660542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk hyuk hyuk. < 1247660579 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't translate that to human laughter < 1247660642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try comic laughter. < 1247660669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.longbets.org/266 ← Almost true! If only someone bet against it. < 1247660678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 128 qubit chips work, they're just not sold yet) < 1247660708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the predictor works for the company making them) < 1247660717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1247660725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwave System's CTO is indicating 128 qubit sales soon < 1247660726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSTED BY brian wang ON MAR 20, 02009 AT 04:26PM < 1247660727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1247660740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster < 1247660751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 qubit chip. start using quantum encryption. < 1247660803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: do you like large number porn? "Putting all of these qubits into superposition states — the initial Hamiltonian in the adiabatic algorithm — gives 2^128 ~ 3 x 10^38 simultaneously held states. Not quite the number of atoms in the earth, but close." < 1247660805 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you do with that? < 1247660815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: a lot < 1247660822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 qubits is a ton < 1247660843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: ofc you need it cooled to insanely near 0kelvin at the moment < 1247660851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not too long until you can't trust most encryption any more. < 1247660852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that may be inevitable. < 1247660856 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually utilize it that much < 1247660861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably can't already < 1247660862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's hyperbolic. < 1247660877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: what do you mean < 1247660883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: it has 128 bonafide qubits < 1247660883 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean < 1247660891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you meant with that in this context. < 1247660904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "encryption is dead!!!" < 1247660914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/first-view-128-qubit-rainier-chip/, http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/a-close-up-fully-wirebonded/, http://dwave.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/128-qubit-chip-mounted-on-io-system/ < 1247660921 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just use them as 128 nondeterministic choices in a program? < 1247660927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: they're real quantum bits < 1247660932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a real quantum computer < 1247660941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather "current encryption algorithms are soon dead" < 1247660942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 128 qubits just like any quantum computer would have < 1247660953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hyperbolic. also, if they are, nothing can replace them. < 1247660968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing we could use is quantum encryption < 1247660981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'd all have to buy ridiculously expensive systems constantly run at near 0-kelvin < 1247661002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CIA know everything about me anyway. < 1247661018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt if they wanted, say, your credit card number, they'd try and crack your gpg file with it :P < 1247661021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is always that quantum encryption thingy, but iirc that requires rather specialised hardware, like being able to send one photon at a time to the receiver. Which might be a bit non-trivial to say the least on current internet infrastructure. < 1247661033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:29 ehird: the only thing we could use is quantum encryption < 1247661034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:29 ehird: so we'd all have to buy ridiculously expensive systems constantly run at near 0-kelvin < 1247661038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not special hardware. < 1247661038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, lag, am I still connected? < 1247661041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a quantum computer. < 1247661045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all that came at once < 1247661056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods his internet < 1247661068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, seems better now < 1247661073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you really think the NSA is breaking PGP with quantum computers, that has no practical effect, because there's nothing else you can do. < 1247661129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't know that sort of quantum encryption needed 0 kelvin? Maybe you are referring to some other sort of quantum encryption? < 1247661140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: quantum COMPUTERS need near 0 kelvin < 1247661145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooling an object to 0K is impossible < 1247661148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just run at 0.000000001K < 1247661152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…or there abouts. < 1247661168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, if you have it any hotter, superconducting fails or something. also the environment fucks all the quantum-level stuff up. < 1247661177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes of course I know you can't go to 0K... the line above was indeed slightly inaccurate due to missing one word < 1247661179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we'll have room temperature quantum computers someday < 1247661198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for now, if you want a quantum computer, you need a gigantic cooling system and a lot of patience for it to cool down < 1247661205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like weeks) < 1247661214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate to think of the power requirements < 1247661299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this variant of quantum cryptography doesn't seem to need a quantum computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB84 < 1247661324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She then encodes these two strings as a string of n qubits," < 1247661325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just key distribution to create a secure one time key < 1247661329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you're really dumb or didn't notice "qubit". < 1247661354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This protocol, known as BB84 after its inventors and year of publication, was originally described using photon polarization states to transmit the information. However, any two pairs of conjugate states can be used for the protocol, and many optical fibre based implementations described as BB84 use phase encoded states." < 1247661354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography#BB84_protocol:_Charles_H._Bennett_and_Gilles_Brassard_.281984.29 < 1247661372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're fucking dumb. < 1247661377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST THE TRANSMISSION. < 1247661380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need QUBITS. < 1247661384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247661392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUBITS are what QUANTUM COMPUTERS are for. < 1247661407 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cube it. < 1247661417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cube it up < 1247661453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know that, but I'm pretty sure I read about this being implemented and tested without a quantum computer. Let me find the book. < 1247661463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, you can emulate qubits with a classical computer. < 1247661465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what that is? < 1247661477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colossally slow. < 1247661635 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really slow < 1247661679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in stop considering it AnMaster it's not happening slow. < 1247661714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, atm I'm reading about the details of that encryption scheme in the book to check up on some details, I will be back in a few minutes < 1247661729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster. < 1247661734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot run that feasibly on a classical computer. < 1247661735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1247661741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even want to think about the time complexity. < 1247661743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it. < 1247661769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where exactly in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography#BB84_protocol:_Charles_H._Bennett_and_Gilles_Brassard_.281984.29 does it mention a qubit? < 1247661788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahah < 1247661801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could play a drinking game with the amount of times it mentions "quantum" < 1247661830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you an idiot because you don't understand the text one bit or an idiot because you didn't read it before linking? < 1247661917 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247662018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, It does mention quantum a lot yes. But not any qbits. If you read up on it, it seems all you need are: 1) some communication channel where you can transfer one photon at a time 2) Some way to polarize photons in one of 4 different directions (0°, 90°, 45° and 135°) 3) Some way to be able to detect if the photon is polarised in 0 or 90 and some way to detect if it is polarised in 45 or 135. < 1247662018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) A way to switch between the two alternative detectors mentioned 5) A good random source < 1247662033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1247662046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what step in that key exchange requires a quantum computer. < 1247662063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that, so please inform me. < 1247662101 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this was #math, "obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that" would be in #not-math's topic in about a minute < 1247662134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, in this case it was sarcastic. Because I'm pretty sure ehird is wrong. < 1247662142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247662145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't even get it second time around < 1247662153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, also see ISBN 91-1-300708-4 < 1247662155 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it was sarcastic, that wasn't the point < 1247662157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to agree with the expressed sentiment. < 1247662179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read the main BB84 article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB84 if you want to see the word "qubit" made explicit. < 1247662194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he linked that first < 1247662196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but picked the other article < 1247662201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1247662202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it fit what he thought in his warped mind < 1247662213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the scientific method < 1247662223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the evidence contradicts your theory, find other evidence. < 1247662230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is neutral) < 1247662246 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly the first evidence was wrong < 1247662262 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you be looking for evidence if you weren't sure your theory was right < 1247662263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :science < 1247662265 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be a waste of time < 1247662271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see it there, but the other description doesn't involve using a quantum computer as far as I can see. < 1247662278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm confused here < 1247662283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247662332 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i was hoping you would do exactly that < 1247662531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247662538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you keep forgetting that ^ < 1247662574 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247662576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the last topic didn't contain them. < 1247662583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247662585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go check if you want < 1247662585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did when I joined today < 1247662590 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that the topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247662601 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all happy?? < 1247662604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #esoteric is: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the words esoteric programming languages AT ALL TIMES | $BcfBd+qcfFd+scf@d+rcf@d+r(BBA[start] < 1247662604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #esoteric set by Slereah at Wed Jul 15 05:49:01 2009 < 1247662606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, someone changed it from konami code. < 1247662607 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYBODY HAPY < 1247662609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, sure < 1247662611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was konami code a few days ago < 1247662613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the rule has been broken < 1247662616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247662626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wrong, when I joined it was there, as shown above < 1247662638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a few days ago" < 1247662641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before jul 15 < 1247662648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what time it is? < 1247662649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*day < 1247662652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jul 15 < 1247662661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, but what has that got to do with it? If it was broken before, why should it be broken again. < 1247662693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't in the topic at all time, and rules should be descriptive, not perscriptive. < 1247662709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, once it's been ousted out of the topic for a while it's not a rule any more < 1247662716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we'd be playing by asiekierka's fuckfests < 1247662721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of contradictory, pointless topic rules < 1247662725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though we removed them < 1247662727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1247662817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster_ipv6: oerjan, STOP BEING SO UN-NORWEGIAN! RIGHT NOW! <<< yeswegian < 1247662823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't glaswegian < 1247662997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DIE <-- i guess we should be glad you weren't on simultaneously < 1247663059 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish they had been < 1247663273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklokok, what is the melting point of wood? <-- afair wood without oxygen gives off gases and turns into charcoal when heated. now coal is essentially carbon, which doesn't melt either at standard pressure < 1247663303 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just turns into gas? < 1247663307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247663312 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1247663315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, if you have $70m to buy a next generation quantum computer (a lot of patience too, of course.), a lot of time to wait for it to cool, a lot of power, and know someone else with the same, and you network them quantumly, you can do quantum encryption < 1247663319 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that coming < 1247663330 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've suggested it, but i didn't remember the term for it < 1247663334 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sublimation? < 1247663338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247663341 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247663345 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the other direction? < 1247663348 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know it in finnish < 1247663357 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think it's related to härmistyminen in english. < 1247663364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i'm not sure if charcoal is pure enough carbon to do that < 1247663365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also, the opinion of Schneier, Matt Weir, Robert R. Tucci and surely others is that quantum cryptography is totally useless. < 1247663379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1247663386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, assuming it's anything other than freezing < 1247663421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree it is impractical < 1247663427 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you suggesting it'd turn straight into plasma or something? < 1247663428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1247663429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impractical. < 1247663437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: EVEN if you could get it working, it would be pointless. < 1247663438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Deposition, according to the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition < 1247663453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? Because NSA isn't that interested? ;P < 1247663458 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247663458 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247663463 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay user roulette < 1247663467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rather more boring word than the Finnish one. < 1247663470 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-110-28.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247663470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Welp, you're an idiot. < 1247663476 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247663478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was an attempt at a joke < 1247663479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1247663485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1247663491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokes do not substitute for anything else. < 1247663505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your attempt to use it in a place where CoherentResponse was expected has crashed the universe. < 1247663507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good work, kid. < 1247663518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop trolling :P < 1247663540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not trolling. < 1247663547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokes do not substitute for actual coherency < 1247663553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i've been wondering, what if someone proved P=NP so thoroughly that all ordinary encryption gets broken instantly. would quantum encryption still be useful as a replacement? < 1247663578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excepting one-time pads, of course) < 1247663580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is always OTP < 1247663586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you have p=np all encryption apart from one time pads is effectively hopeless < 1247663587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you were first < 1247663602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1247663613 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has the proof < 1247663620 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure < 1247663624 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this true oerjan < 1247663628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not *that* evilly. *yet* < 1247663629 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1247663638 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god. < 1247663644 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean thor < 1247663644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, would he tell you if it was? < 1247663658 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? we're good friends. < 1247663663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=np would be beautiful < 1247663669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aalso known as desublimation." Now that's evel more boring. < 1247663669 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he even knows my name < 1247663675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aalso. < 1247663678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's oklokok's name < 1247663681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Evel. < 1247663722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aalso Evel? < 1247663725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: hi aalso evel < 1247663776 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's almost an anagram of my name. < 1247663821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: what's your initials < 1247663830 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1247663840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstname[0]+lastname[0] < 1247663859 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have firstnames in a list < 1247663872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol.firstname[0]+oklopol.lastname[0] < 1247663885 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-111.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247663934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. < 1247663954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, oklokok's. < 1247663964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too < 1247663974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's python. < 1247663977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :143 for me. < 1247663987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 'aalso'[0]+'evel'[0] < 1247663987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ae' < 1247664000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. < 1247664012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247664014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the sum gives more information, anyway < 1247664024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except that's not even remotely the same. < 1247664026 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously summing characters means concatenation into a string < 1247664027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg could AnMaster secretly be Joke_explainer? < 1247664032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. < 1247664033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was not a joke < 1247664034 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it makes sense < 1247664036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was a really terrible one < 1247664037 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than codepoints < 1247664048 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the great thing about humans, they own at type inference. < 1247664048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ignored AnMaster as a matter of principle. < 1247664063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: so what is it < 1247664108 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg could AnMaster secretly be Joke_explainer? <<< at least he's mentioned jokes explained about a million times < 1247664114 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was your reference anyway < 1247664120 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, then i am sorry. < 1247664124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i actually said that < 1247664143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas a reddit reference, anyway < 1247664148 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said what now < 1247664155 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely lost < 1247664157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish you would stop pointing out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247664195 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know you said that < 1247664200 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was commenting on oerjan's comment < 1247664206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. < 1247664214 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247664224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/joke-explainer/ anyway < 1247664237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!0)<$>words"aalso evel" < 1247664238 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Arr.Array i e' < 1247664241 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan already told that < 1247664243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1247664248 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm having some sort of stroke here. < 1247664262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!0)<$>words"aalso evel" < 1247664263 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ae" < 1247664272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm head is actually shorter < 1247664321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: er seriously? < 1247664342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: is never serious. < 1247664348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head . words "aalso evel" < 1247664349 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> [a1]' < 1247664356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (.) = fmap in head . words "aalso evel" < 1247664358 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ae" < 1247664361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet he would be, if he got a stroke. well, possibly. < 1247664364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing as shit that :D < 1247664371 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not seriously, i just feel like i completely misunderstood something back there. < 1247664380 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have no idea why ehird said what he did < 1247664387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1247664409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i was logreading < 1247664416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old comment < 1247664455 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... so? :D < 1247664461 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just pointed out more evidence < 1247664470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you commented on it at the time O_o < 1247664513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait er < 1247664514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1247664519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you used it as an arugment < 1247664520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument < 1247664536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wish you would stop pointing < 1247664539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247664542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered how you got out the quote so quickly < 1247664544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDD < 1247664550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes more sense now < 1247664555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never known oerjan as the argumentative type < 1247664566 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i commented on it, yes, but not to you < 1247664591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, i was not there < 1247664605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had been, i would not be logreading it, would i? < 1247664611 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is more "fuck, drama, get me outta here, i need to have my daily dosage of cod" < 1247664641 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just saying i don't see what was weird about my comment. < 1247664641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to confirm: you did not mean it as an argument like in: < 1247664646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:28 ehird: 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wish you would s < 1247664649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top pointing < 1247664651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:28 ehird: out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247664654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247664661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus my rebuttal of that being appropriate was wasted :D < 1247664669 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he said why he quoted that right after < 1247664676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247664679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was just a side thing < 1247664685 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247664693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i did not comment on your comment until you implied not remembering ehird's comment now < 1247664707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1247664709 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true, i guess this has all been just a misunderstanding; or a stroke. < 1247664818 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really just stick to math, communication simply doesn't work < 1247664871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1247664883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IE has this bad habit of randomly including the newline or not when i copy from the logs. < 1247664885 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oerjan, answer right away, or what? < 1247664919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus i don't always get to put the "<--" in < 1247664964 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1247664966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so < 1247664968 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1247664970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30 ehird: oerjan: to confirm: you did not mean it as an argument like in: < 1247664973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30 ehird: 13:28 ehird: 13:18 fizzie: I would rather expect firstname[0]+lastname[0] to be the sum of the codepoint values of the first characters of oklopol's first and last names, instead of a two-character string. 13:19 AnMaster: fizzie, I was calculating the code points for mine, I interpreted it that way too 13:19 ehird: it's python. 13:20 ehird: as oklokok uses python for... well everything, it's obvious i intended it. 13:20 oerjan: I wis < 1247664976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h you would s < 1247664978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30 ehird: top pointing < 1247664980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30 ehird: 13:28 ehird: out trivial details that are not lost on anyone in an attempt to "fix" someone's humorous misinterpretation, especially when it's intentional < 1247664983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30 ehird: ? < 1247664985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:31 ehird: and thus my rebuttal of that being appropriate was wasted :D < 1247664987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247664999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can neither confirm nor deny that, since that would interfer with my plan to drive you crazy. < 1247665004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lklajslksjflasdkjfasf < 1247665007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN < 1247665009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OER < 1247665012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN < 1247665015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247665017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN OERJAN < 1247665020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL MAKE A BOT TO BOTHER YOU 24/7 < 1247665020 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please answer, it's an O(n^2) process < 1247665023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkdhjdkhksjdfAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGJ < 1247665065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: but but, my plan seems so close to success now! < 1247665068 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1247665078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agu agu agu agu < 1247665089 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ARE YOU PREPARED TO TAKE THE SQUARE ROOT OF YOUR LIFETIME? < 1247665124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1247665141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits(oerjan) < 1247665190 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't being serious mister gloomy pants < 1247665230 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiiiiiiiiiiii wanna do something < 1247665240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: buy a theremin < 1247665246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only using one toe < 1247665252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this window < 1247665253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1247665298 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oooo < 1247665302 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :record the damn vid < 1247665339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247665344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok < 1247665346 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt < 1247665346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not making a porno. < 1247665351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1247665352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no butts. < 1247665353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HYUK HYUK) < 1247665357 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDD < 1247665397 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theremin vid, i wanna hear how much you suck < 1247665408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: hyperbolic. also, if they are, nothing can replace them. <-- hm, are there no public key algorithms _not_ based on unbreakable factorization or discrete logarithm? < 1247665431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a quantum computer can break all the secure things we know < 1247665446 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one based on knapsack afaik < 1247665466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247665490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it can factorize and do discrete logarithms, i recall it is _not_ known how to solve NP-complete problems with it < 1247665501 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not < 1247665502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can solve them < 1247665505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not in P < 1247665506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1247665509 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247665509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle-Hellman that one? < 1247665516 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subexponential < 1247665518 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superpolynomial < 1247665529 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea, not even gonna check < 1247665545 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just heard rumors. < 1247665550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are talking breaking encryption here, obviously only tractable things count < 1247665570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, wikipedia claims that it has been broken though < 1247665594 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MMMMMMHMMMMMM < 1247665608 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know pretty much nothing about anything < 1247665616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can quantum computers not do NP in NP or sth? < 1247665635 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what thatm eans < 1247665637 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that means < 1247665719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you were saying like you can't do NP with quantum computers < 1247665721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it in P sure < 1247665724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't you do it in NP? < 1247665731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do you have to do it in evenslowerthannp or something < 1247665735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1247665736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45 oklokok: subexponential < 1247665736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45 oklokok: superpolynomial < 1247665738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread this < 1247665740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247665850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'd think quantum P algorithms include ordinary P algorithm, so for one interpretation of NP it's sort of obvious < 1247665868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, just add guess inputs < 1247665870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right everything's either P or NP < 1247665872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.................. < 1247665875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fucking retarded < 1247665879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: hit me on the head with a stick < 1247665895 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not *everything* < 1247665905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247665910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: oh right, some things are impossible < 1247665910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247665920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----### < 1247665924 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too < 1247665949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are an infinite number of complexity classes above NP < 1247665952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dumb today < 1247665954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swatted < 1247665957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swat < 1247665959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switten < 1247665998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: we make a good swat team < 1247666007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders putting " i'm dumb today" in topic. < 1247666042 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i agree < 1247666098 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should buy like a swat car < 1247666103 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a butler < 1247666108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blackjack < 1247666109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hookers < 1247666112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget the butler. < 1247666245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : QUBITS are what QUANTUM COMPUTERS are for. <-- that does not mean all uses of qubits require the most advanced system. quantum encryption doesn't need much computation, just generation of stuff, so 0 Kelvin may not be needed for all i know < 1247666256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not about power < 1247666270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about decoherence < 1247666272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247666274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and superconductivity < 1247666288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can emulate qubits ofc. < 1247666298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but all quantum computers are based on superconductivity < 1247666303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need über lower temperatures for that < 1247666304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1247666358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is things like the factorization algorithm is i think _insanely_ sensitive to noise because of the complexity, and quantum encryption is much simpler so might not need that low temperature, is my intuition. of course i don't really know this. < 1247666358 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h237.41.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247666374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's just decoherence < 1247666377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superconductivity is the thing < 1247666384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that we'd get messed up answers < 1247666390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't run at higher temperatures < 1247666404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is high-temperature superconductivity in case you didn't know < 1247666414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is? < 1247666415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1247666439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but is there a relatively high temperature where we both have a low risk of decoherence AND superconductivity? < 1247666441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how high high is < 1247666446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if really high, then decoherence would fuck shit up < 1247666447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall they got it up past CO2 level < 1247666466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latest discovery < 1247666529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well my point is that the temperature needed to prevent the decoherence part probably depends on how sensitive the use is, and i expect encryption to be much less sensitive than factorization < 1247666545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but if it needs to be really high it'll interfere with anything < 1247666601 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should take a course in the quantums < 1247666610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahh < 1247666611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it's a long step from a millionth of a kelvin to a couple hundred of them < 1247666615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many special cases, oklokok < 1247666618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not elegant enough :P < 1247666629 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1247666636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i suppose. even so, quantum computers are still really fucking hard < 1247666644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i agree < 1247666659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should actually look up this for encryption < 1247666662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: well, it's not very mathematically pure, the fundamental physics. it's just a jumble of crap that happens to work together without any underlying sort of unification < 1247666683 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so. < 1247666685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really describe the fundamental thing behind all these things, it just takes them as axioms, so to speak < 1247666689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, that's my impression < 1247666711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish I had $70mil to buy a d-wave < 1247666758 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060308]" < 1247666808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the wp quantum cryptography article says nothing about cooling whatsoever < 1247666828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a quantum computer issue, though < 1247666834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really related to the cryptography < 1247667210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh dear jane goodall is a hoax O_O < 1247667246 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247667295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went WTF then thought "oh, IWC". < 1247667302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247667320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mission accomplished < 1247667597 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intensified WHO Cooperation? < 1247667613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247667647 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn that World Health Organization and their fairly arbitrary hoaxes involving naturalists ... < 1247667671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, andrew cooke is on lesswrong. < 1247667676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So's gwern.) < 1247667819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be a solipsist missionary when i grow up < 1247667840 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just go around telling people they don't exist < 1247667848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly less wrong thinking needs to be well typed < 1247667872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: no no < 1247667878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go around telling people that _I_ don't exist < 1247667881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nor does anybody else but them < 1247667882 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247667883 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247667895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1247667904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone's actually a reverse solipsist < 1247667906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone exists but me < 1247667914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite a hard belief to keep up :D < 1247667922 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i think none of us exist < 1247667934 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kinda hard to imagine anything would exist < 1247667951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: apart from your consciousness < 1247667954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite easy to existimagine < 1247667961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are conscious right :D < 1247667963 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1247667994 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i am, i don't see how that proves anything < 1247668004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: also these people i tell that I don't exist and nor does anybody else but them, they don't exist < 1247668014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go around telling people who don't exist that I don't exist and nor does anybody else but them < 1247668072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take it one step further < 1247668099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go around and tell people only, say, Sarah Palin exists < 1247668137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wouldn't make my beliefs inconsistent to what i preach to them, though < 1247668139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the whole funny part < 1247668151 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247668152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it would < 1247668157 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A solipsist to some arbitrary third party. < 1247668161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exist, I'm his delusion. < 1247668183 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, if he'd believe only sarah palin existed as well < 1247668184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming you don't believe only Sarah Palin exists. i might be going out on a limb here, i realize. < 1247668207 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he probably preaches what he believes < 1247668209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, clearly only you exist. < 1247668212 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all your delusion. < 1247668238 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are only delusion, obviously, this is irc < 1247668272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're talking hypothetical of course < 1247668277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "you don't exist, only sarah palin does" isn't the same as < 1247668286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You (who doesn't exist, only I do) exist, but nobody else does." < 1247668295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, edit war! < 1247668314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247668329 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. edit is tide backwards < 1247668342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on wiki < 1247668350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small one, so far < 1247668355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . 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Oerjan (Talk | contribs) (The description still makes no sense with infinite cell size, so cannot be Turing complete.) < 1247668358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is two edits an edit war? < 1247668366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tiny one :) < 1247668389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when they revert ME, it is < 1247668447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a mental note never to revert oerjan's edits < 1247668478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1247668555 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-2-12.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247669731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247670330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone threw spam in the turing tarpit again < 1247670341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1247670508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yum < 1247670525 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn it into an esolang < 1247670527 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This topic intentionally left blank | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247670534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247670536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1247670546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic rocks. obviously you're stupid who don't understand that < 1247670641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "don't" grammatically correct there? i could see a language doing it both ways < 1247670682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole sentence is grammatically incorrect, that's why it's funny < 1247670689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously I'm stupid who" ← wrong < 1247670692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who don't" ← wrong < 1247670712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, it's funny because it's sarcastically stating that he's stupid, but demonstrates stupidity. < 1247670717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't get why the first part is wrong < 1247670737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that < 1247670786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously I'm stupid", stupid is an adjective < 1247670788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who", who what? < 1247670803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously I'm stupid and" would work < 1247670808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously I'm a stupid person who" would also < 1247670815 0 :fizzie!n=htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247670820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1247670822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1247670829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah interesting. the corresponding norwegian is entirely correct. < 1247670848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't require adjectives to be embellished to be used as simple nouns < 1247670851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloes. Seems that the box where my bouncer is died on me. < 1247670856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you still alive, though? < 1247670856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so then define adds a binding to that frame pointers for old frames will be freed. in c, fnord < 1247670879 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just needs a comma and a "doesn't" < 1247670880 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh < 1247670889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In C, fnord." Yes. Well, it's not the ISP's fault then. < 1247670891 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a question mark :P < 1247670911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1247670922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously I'm Stupid Who; don't understand that?" < 1247670946 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ... that was a comma, "doesn't" and question mark. < 1247671001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247671002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1247671529 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah interesting. the corresponding norwegian is entirely correct. <<< same finnish too < 1247671539 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least not entirely wrong < 1247671588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi, was away. and I read iwc long before you said that today. < 1247671591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolly same swedish then too. < 1247671607 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: where would you put the comma? < 1247671608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. The random slogan I got on http://seaside.st/ is "This is not how the web works." Such snarky guys. < 1247671624 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh! < 1247671625 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Not below a dot, turning it into a semicolon :P < 1247671625 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247671638 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obviously i'm stupid, who doesn't understand that" < 1247671639 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247671651 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't mean that < 1247671656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247671657 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good :P < 1247671667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case < 1247671672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that < 1247671678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm stupid Who Don; T understand that? < 1247671721 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks if he actually meant to say that. < 1247671765 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1247671774 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird, obviously I'm stupid who don't understand that, so please inform me. <<< can't mean that in the context < 1247671782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm Stu. π/d, who don't understand that. < 1247671787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think GregorR was the joking < 1247671799 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1247671806 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still had to check < 1247671814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm stew. PID who — don't understand that? < 1247671828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the day of misunderstandments or what? < 1247671843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misunderstandments is quite unwordy. < 1247671844 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said misunderstatements < 1247671845 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously I'm misunderstanding who don't understand that < 1247671851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you misunderestimate me. < 1247671854 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247671857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247671894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. < 1247671903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such wise words. < 1247671950 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH A SIMPLE SAYING < 1247671952 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO THE FUCK SCREWS THAT UP < 1247671958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bush. < 1247671963 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that :P < 1247671966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247671976 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a bushism? < 1247671982 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :( < 1247671983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The misunderestimating thing was. < 1247671993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mine was too. < 1247672004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : me too < 1247672004 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247672005 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1247672007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should remix the Who song to have that. < 1247672073 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A < 1247672128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misunderestimate me once... < 1247672136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO. < 1247672141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We cannot handle that much stupid in one sentence. < 1247672150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID FILTERS ON OVERLOAD < 1247672158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hypothesize that all the bushisms in one would destroy the universe just by existing. < 1247672180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: we think so much alike, you and i < 1247672200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the bitching, that is. < 1247672223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247672269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Squeak Smalltalk and Cincom VisualWorks both provide distributed development tools similar to got or mercurial" < 1247672271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got. < 1247672295 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna git got, but I got git instead. < 1247672305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps^3 < 1247672308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap^3 < 1247672315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm only one google hit for "misunderestimate me once" < 1247672335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pharo-project.org/pictures/bc/ye4zb2kumqhtmjlkxg4opq1zk1y2rm/iphone-720.png ← THE DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT OF THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUTUUUUUUUUUREEEEEEEE < 1247672349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it wasn't quite a slow clap, then? < 1247672355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in quotes? < 1247672360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not in quotes isn't that a googlewhack? < 1247672370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "* ehird clap clap clap" sounds slow to me < 1247672381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1247672447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine then, < 1247672450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap.^3 < 1247672453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap. ^3 < 1247672454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise < 1247672463 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-239.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247672468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun.concat.iterate(' ':)$"clap" :: Expr < 1247672469 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap ... < 1247672516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those first spaces sort of ruined it < 1247672607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, in quotes yes < 1247672611 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247672624 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so that vid we were discussing < 1247672628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1247672631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, kay? < 1247672636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not ready for a career in porn. < 1247672637 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1247672638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1247672638 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay! < 1247672640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still find that funny) < 1247672641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247672644 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much later? < 1247672653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times < 1247672657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in hours < 1247672661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in months < 1247672662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 5 years i would guess < 1247672662 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much too... < 1247672664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in years < 1247672664 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247672667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247672667 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in months \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Planck times to months \ Result: \ \ 4.103 1023 months \ Additional conversions: 30 \ < 1247672671 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planck times in hours \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Planck times to hours \ Result: \ \ 2.995 1026 hours \ Additional conversions: 30 \ \ 1.078 < 1247672675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 4 months. < 1247672677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1247672679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are timeses < 1247672686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck It I'll Use The Site. < 1247672708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well actually < 1247672716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's 2.5 x 10^12 x universe age (1 universe age) < 1247672719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols @ 1 universe age < 1247672729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (roughly) < 1247672737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.419 x 10^19 millennia :D < 1247672746 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long. < 1247672748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 3.419 x 10^13 eons apparently < 1247672755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1247672756 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 243.50075092677744 < 1247672761 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please do it faster < 1247672762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 bits should be enough for anyone. < 1247672766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: k < 1247672776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be done before the heat death of the universe < 1247672777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise < 1247672778 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean much faster < 1247672790 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even faster than that < 1247673010 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-101-143.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247673076 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247673127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there? < 1247673130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1247673154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, iirc there was some fingerprint containing some instruction like ? but that changed to one of ^v<> when an IP first executed it? < 1247673160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I can't find which fingerprint < 1247673198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea of which it was? Or did I just imagine that existed? < 1247673215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOYS, of course < 1247673241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. I just realised I need to add a note how that instruction works when ATHR is used < 1247673277 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :links toys < 1247673282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, you sure you can't generalize it beyond mentioning a specific instruction like that < 1247673301 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*link) < 1247673316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/library/TOYS.html < 1247673321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, self-modifying instructions might get executed by more than one ip before the changes are visible to other threads? < 1247673333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that you mean < 1247673334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why self-modifying < 1247673351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any instructions that change Funge-Space, no? < 1247673367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, that is generalised already hm < 1247673704 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247674054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want continuations in all languages, dammit. < 1247674064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use haskell but it feels awkward to do such imperative things. < 1247674145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: C++ LISTENS! < 1247674159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Closures are not continuations. < 1247674164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop confusing them. < 1247674169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1247674177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the concepts, it's the words, BTW. < 1247674191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise that they're different, I just keep on sticking the wrong words on them. ;) < 1247674666 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247674864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20 Lil`Cube: .:11:20:. CTCP PING reply from ehird: -262742.-55 seconds < 1247674924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21 Lil`Cube: .:11:21:. CTCP PING reply from Dylan: 2130784.703 seconds < 1247675563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those time traveling cubes are weird < 1247675698 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-148.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1247676807 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247679271 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247681088 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247681642 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247681886 0 :sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247681955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1247682072 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-148.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1247682121 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247682468 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247682579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hath new hard drive < 1247682592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do LVM fiddling post-work. < 1247682715 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with closures, you can do cps, not needing explicit continuations < 1247682765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. It's not a great way of doing it, but it works. < 1247682822 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to watch tv now :o < 1247682822 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1247683157 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247683544 0 :fizzie`!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247683580 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1247683619 0 :fizzie`!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247683660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizziew < 1247683664 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1247685458 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247685747 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=-3226-07-29 < 1247685759 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247687925 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-163-018.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1247688072 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247688538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I realise that they're different, I just keep on sticking the wrong words on them. ;) <-- same as me yeah < 1247688544 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247689543 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1247689544 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-239.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247689584 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-239.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247690604 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247691030 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two do realize both have kinda descriptive names. < 1247691268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, yep < 1247691360 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have you heard about this theremin thing < 1247691365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1247691387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was lots of talk about theremins yesterday < 1247691506 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247691508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today. < 1247691512 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1247691513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as well < 1247691518 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247691533 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247691718 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247691723 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247692943 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247692958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/7-15-09/DoneHam.jpg < 1247694328 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247694358 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247694605 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1247694668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src last < 1247694668 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last [x] = x < 1247694668 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last (_:xs) = last xs < 1247694668 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last [] = undefined < 1247694694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" < 1247694696 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "agbfced* Exception: Prelude.last: empty list < 1247694704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foop [] = []; foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" < 1247694705 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "agbfced* Exception: Prelude.last: empty list < 1247694711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foop [] = []; foop [x] = [x]; foop (x:xs) = x : last xs : foop (take (length xs - 1) xs) in foop "abcdefg" < 1247694713 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "agbfced" < 1247694718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefg < 1247694719 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegfdb < 1247694732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Oh. < 1247694792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble abcdefg < 1247694792 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbfced < 1247694808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1247694904 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble penis < 1247694905 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pnsie < 1247694907 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee < 1247694939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble eggs < 1247694940 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egsg < 1247694944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think this was done already. < 1247694961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pnsie < 1247694967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble penis < 1247694968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psein < 1247695100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble eggs < 1247695100 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much entropy. :/ < 1247695160 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1247695165 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble a < 1247695166 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1247695172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble < 1247695194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so I cheated a tiny tiny little miniscule bit by temporarily altering the unscramblation definition.) < 1247695203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247695571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble eggs < 1247695571 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esgg < 1247695574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247695584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it say " Too much entropy. :/" there then? < 1247695585 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe like this: a=0, b=1, a=b+a, fnord, fnord < 1247695599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1247695619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:59 fizzie: (Okay, so I cheated a tiny tiny little miniscule bit by temporarily altering the unscramblation definition.) < 1247695637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, saw that later < 1247695648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you hate it when I logread and reply before reading on? < 1247695649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? Eh? < 1247695651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyypocrite. < 1247695677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was just trying to demonstrate to you why other people are irritated by it. < 1247695681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make you stop < 1247695690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retcon. < 1247695691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retcooooooon. < 1247695692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I didn't read it all at once this time < 1247695694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reeeeeeeeeeeeetcoooooooooooooooon. < 1247695708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are free to believe what you want. *shrug* < 1247695854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hey, that's what I said to you after faking the Tanasinn page screensh— er. < 1247695869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hey, you did half-believe that it might be scrambling pages or not based on the IP at the end.) < 1247695897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually mostly half-agreed to that just to end the argument, being tired of you. < 1247695910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed I wasn't sure < 1247695911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION signs. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetcoooooon. < 1247695917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sings, rather. < 1247695921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Note that I wasn't sure. < 1247695936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not half-believe < 1247695938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I strung you on for quite a while and made you doubt something. < 1247695942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 1/4-believe < 1247695948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, successful troll is successful. < 1247695960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we all know you are a troll < 1247696006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can only say that with an overly general definition of troll. < 1247696928 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-135.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247696958 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247696970 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247697371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm if you need integer arithmetics, and only have normal integer division/reminder/multiplication and so on, what is the best way to implement a division that rounds upwards instead of downwards. < 1247697387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use floating point due to precision issues. < 1247697526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like (C syntax, ignoring overflow): a = x / y; b = x % y; if (b == 0) return a; else return a+1; ? < 1247697541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only need to work for non-negative numbers btw < 1247697613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GNU C, just that. < 1247697623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard C is not guaranteed to round up or down) < 1247697644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not actually implementing in C. just used C for clarity. < 1247697673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that's C90. C99 guarantees it rounds towards 0. < 1247697747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for integer arithmetics? < 1247697777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was a bit unclear for floating point, but for integer arithmetics too?! < 1247697785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1247697798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation-defined = fun. < 1247698578 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247698687 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now written the BlooP/FlooP basic functions in Suxesol, to show that successor function is all that is necessary to implement these < 1247698894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :obviously I'm understand who don't stupid that | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247698897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247698997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247699104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reasonable x, y, you can just (x+y-1)/y. With the standard truncating division that works. For k*y you get (k*y+y-1)/y = k (since the (y-1)/y part is 0) and for k*y+1 it's (k*y+1+y-1)/y = ((k+1)*y)/y = k+1. < 1247699150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously (k*y+n)/y rounds up to k+1 for any n in the [1, y] range. < 1247699731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FWIW, at least the C89 draft at least specifices the truncating division. "When integers are divided and the division is inexact, if both operands are positive the result of the / operator is the largest integer less than the algebraic quotient --". What is implementation-defined is what happens when there are negative numbers, which you said you don't care about. < 1247699751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleepity now. < 1247699797 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247700552 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247700965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For reasonable x, y" <-- when you are back, what do you define as "reasonable" here? < 1247701043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is that x and y are both positive integers. Which one is largest is unknown, but it is quite possible to have 5 / 1000000 or similar. < 1247701054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case that was what you meant as "unreasonable" < 1247701314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y=0 is unreasonable, I assume. < 1247701384 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said "positive", not non-negative. < 1247701397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is positive. < 1247701399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also negative. < 1247701416 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on who you ask. < 1247701440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, The way I heard it matches what you said. < 1247701453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, 0 being neither positive or negative < 1247701462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wikipedia says "0 is neither positive nor negative." < 1247701466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I win. < 1247701505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is a butt.