< 1243814431 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use geothermal cooling! < 1243814447 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bury your radiator under a pond < 1243814466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'll just have a huge pump with a section of tube that goes into space < 1243814472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1243814474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should cool it adequately. < 1243814652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: all the radiators seem to be designed for use w/ fans < 1243814659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243814665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe I should get two low-dissipation radiators < 1243814677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're a few cm apart, should be fine < 1243814701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no? < 1243814702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243814737 0 :nooga!n=Freya@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243814786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: your silence is agreement < 1243814871 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion wind cooling would be cool < 1243814936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: passive agreement < 1243815127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243815128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koolance Releases Its First LN2 CPU Cooler < 1243815129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU-LN2 is for cooling enthusiasts using liquid nitrogen. It supports a wide range of current processors, including: Intel LGA-1366, LGA-775, AMD AM2, AM2+, AM3, and others. < 1243815137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: y/n < 1243815145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardehar < 1243815155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's only $144.99 < 1243815157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243815164 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243815174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04 ehird: bsmntbombdood: maybe I should get two low-dissipation radiators < 1243815174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04 ehird: as long as they're a few cm apart, should be fine < 1243815175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:05 ehird: bsmntbombdood: no? < 1243815185 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243815197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why not < 1243815237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + take off case fan grill + put a lot of stuff in the loop (but not _everything_, due to a gigantic mass of wires not being appealing - the rest can be handled w/ the minimal natural airflow) < 1243815242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 0dB < 1243815581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: amirite < 1243815585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep saying it won't work < 1243815587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why not < 1243815621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the pump i guess < 1243815665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ehh, you wouldn't need too much < 1243815810 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243815829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243816314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243816336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wut < 1243816869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lostkingdom contains an easter egg it seems < 1243816882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n\nYou have activated the easter egg"); < 1243816886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know WHAT it is < 1243816894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it exists < 1243816937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask your compiler < 1243816947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not good enough yet :P < 1243816990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: apparently car radiators can dissipate just about anything fanlessly < 1243816993 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've said something asbout sleeping? < 1243816993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D ehird < 1243816998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO" < 1243816998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: vut? < 1243816999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would hope so < 1243817000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243817001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1243817011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the question is, why can't pc radiators? < 1243817014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically the same < 1243817020 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're small < 1243817021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bsmntbombdood: apparently car radiators can dissipate just about anything fanlessly <-- part of this is due to car moving maybe? < 1243817022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me thah cooling in my mercedes-benz is broken ;C < 1243817029 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-195-180.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243817030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...no < 1243817034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay < 1243817040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i guess < 1243817043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :car radiators aren't huge though < 1243817045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cars also have free power < 1243817059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: here's the one that was mentioned: http://www.radiatorworld.com/radiatorworldfinal/displayProducts.aspx?carno=26640 < 1243817064 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: since when? < 1243817081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for certain definitions of fere < 1243817083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*free < 1243817098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ugh, that's alum < 1243817170 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243817176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: copper waterblocks < 1243817181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ aluminum radiator < 1243817184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := CORROSION AHOY < 1243817373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARUMPH < 1243817748 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Cars also have free power" " well, for certain definitions of free" < 1243817758 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free (adj): With cost < 1243817763 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243817767 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1243817778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free is cost! < 1243817797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's free, the cost is spitting on the American flag! < 1243817797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pax is unpax! < 1243817808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET is free! < 1243817822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lights the flag on fire < 1243817898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is defacing the flag actually illegal in the us of a? < 1243817906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. < 1243817913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were attempts to make it illega. < 1243817917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard somewhere that it was < 1243817917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243817923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal, rather. < 1243817954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. There was a "suggested code of conduct" passed by Congress regarding the flag, but it's a suggestion, not law. < 1243817966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was passed back in the 1800s. < 1243817975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think a bit after the Civil War) < 1243818241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is a gigantic radiator < 1243818245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that too much to ask for < 1243818271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1243818289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets the Union Jack on fire for that one < 1243818310 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1243818372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: which of these sounds more radiating to you: < 1243818376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feser TFC Xchanger - Monsta Extreme Radiator 420/360 < 1243818377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feser X-Changer QUAD 480 Extreme Performance Radiator < 1243818379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former costs more < 1243818383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100 more < 1243818383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243818415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it. < 1243818421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fuck what < 1243818428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets the EU and UN flags on fire. Piss off everyone. < 1243818434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europeans more so. < 1243818441 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of em < 1243818594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the reserator seems to be the best fanless copper radiator you can get < 1243818639 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1243818685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=InnovaKonvect < 1243818688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard: < 1243818688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hxlxw): 35x23x5cm < 1243818689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weight: 4.76 pounds < 1243818691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dissipates approx. 80 watts < 1243818693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXI: < 1243818695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hxlxw): 45x33x5cm !! < 1243818697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weight 10.5 pounds !! < 1243818699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dissipates approx. 125 watts < 1243818701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like two chained reserators is the way to go... < 1243818711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243818821 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1243818935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'nother one that does 130W < 1243818940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing >=200W yet < 1243818941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaſter: Þou art known as AnMaſter. How dareſt thee? < 1243818953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you see the reservator dissipating 200w? < 1243818962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: user anecdotes < 1243818979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s all you have to go on, really < 1243818999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the systems I've seen people use w/ them generally look about 200w too < 1243819000 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1243819002 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need testing < 1243819042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, well, it's consistent < 1243819086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy all of them, a well calibrated heating element, and some high quality thermometers < 1243819089 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243819095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: and a new wallet < 1243819129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: specs say 1,274m2 dissipation area < 1243819133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume means 1.274m2 < 1243819149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giggle < 1243819156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1243819169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1274 m**2 < 1243819176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243819179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best. radiator. evarr < 1243819310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: my ass says that the reserator dissipates 2345872389729384W < 1243819318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a very accurate ass < 1243819330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accura-tass < 1243819375 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243819378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: user anecdote says that it can cool a core 2 quad @ 2.66 plus two nvidia 8600GTSes at load below 27C < 1243819387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's look at dem TDPs < 1243819407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY DON'T SAY < 1243819410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to GOOGLE. < 1243819479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you find out the heat of a 8600GTS < 1243819486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll find out the heat of a core 2 quad @ 2.66ghz < 1243819492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEAM WURK < 1243819504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65W < 1243819532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 22 Amp Amps.) < 1243819532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum 450 Watt for SLI mode system. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amp Amps.) < 1243819535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An available 6 pin PCI-E power connector (hard drive power dongle to PCI-E 6 pin adapter included with card) < 1243819538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much heat do you think < 1243819543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally unhelpful specs < 1243819568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they need the extra power connector? < 1243819579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1243819583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem like how-powered cards though < 1243819587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainstream 8 generation < 1243819589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa 2007 < 1243819592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*high-powered < 1243819613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$200 price range < 1243819616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they were released < 1243819638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1243819640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power consumption < 1243819645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1243819647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"entire system" < 1243819648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1243819690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ah a low-powered looking system here < 1243819695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8600 GTS XXX, which I guess means overclocked < 1243819697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :198W at load < 1243819708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so shall we say 40W for the un-overclocked one? < 1243819728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 65W + 40W*2(=145W) = 210W < 1243819734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvida says 110w for the 8800 < 1243819740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 8600 gts < 1243819743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way different < 1243819747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8800 was high-end < 1243819749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mainstream < 1243819782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1243819787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243819798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: shall we say 40W? < 1243819802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a low estimate < 1243819804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too low < 1243819814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well < 1243819823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: if we say 40W, the cpu + 2 graphics cards = 210W < 1243819830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the reserator can dissipate *at least* 210W < 1243819837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving the components below 27C < 1243819853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243819854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Struggles to work with the newer 2 x nVidia 8800 as they just got too hot over 61 degrees celsius out of game reset in game RED HOT no overclock uses as the cards would have gone into meltdown! " < 1243819860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :110*2 = 220W < 1243819860 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243819872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it dissipates at least 210W, but below 220W < 1243819890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're conservative and say 210, that's 420W if you chain two together < 1243819898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than the i7+295 = 429W < 1243819900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phooey < 1243819934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: best route is probably a copper car radiator < 1243819938 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243819945 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you didn't want to diy < 1243819960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's w/ thinking i can use 2 reserators < 1243819966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really want to buy three < 1243819981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243819987 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome < 1243819990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1243820002 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so grepping all of my irc logs before - 2-3 minutes < 1243820003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'big truck radiators' < 1243820008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243820013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping all my irc logs now, on the ssd...12 seconds < 1243820018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243820022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssds are awesome < 1243820024 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even cached < 1243820034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when you thought the ssd wasn't worth the money? < 1243820035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1243820037 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second time you grep, 1.1 seconds < 1243820038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1243820063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: argh car radiator shops suck they all sort by brand < 1243820072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T CARE ABOUT BRAND JUST GIMME A RADIATOR < 1243820073 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: junkyard < 1243820083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i don't know of a junkyard nearby < 1243820087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need copper < 1243820092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copper car radiators are rare < 1243820106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this will be so ghetto < 1243820117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mounting a big car radiator on the wall of some unused stairs < 1243820125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may even be ghettotastic < 1243820169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much do you think a car radiator can dissipate fanlessly? < 1243820171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet ~300W < 1243820191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... i'll probably need two < 1243820195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's accurate. < 1243820229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how much do you think? < 1243820278 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1243820414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe i should use quantum cooling < 1243820430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!magically_evaporated(heat)) destroy_universe(); < 1243820484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i can't find any pure-copper radiators :<<<<<<<<<<<< < 1243820514 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243820519 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you set on copper < 1243820525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: copper waterblocks < 1243820545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell it with me: g-a-l-v-a-n-i-c c-o-r-r-o-s-i-o-n < 1243820545 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                   |     |     | < 1243820546 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  /|    /'\    |\ < 1243820604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an open-air radiator < 1243820611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what < 1243820615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large angled sheet < 1243820620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243820651 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243820664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend just had an interesting idea for an esolang < 1243820754 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the language would be legalese. < 1243820798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243820808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1243820825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -o-o-o- < 1243820825 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         |   | < 1243820825 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        /|  /| < 1243820835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: stop that < 1243820837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obnoxious < 1243820837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE HOLDING HIS HEAD! < 1243820849 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :johnkeilloh@aol.com < 1243820852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243820855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_lawyers_does_it_take_to_change_a_lightbulb%3F < 1243820858 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid copy-paste < 1243820862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :johnkeilloh@aol.com < 1243820872 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243821052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: funny, but poorly done. < 1243821129 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the original was better < 1243821136 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the one that popped up on google < 1243821139 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawyers do not define their terms and then fail to use them uniformly in place of "part of the ..." < 1243821147 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party of the* < 1243821186 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, when they were paid by the word, they probably would have < 1243821194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they dont. < 1243821221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchange: you give me a copper car radiator, i give you semi-eternal gratitude < 1243821223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any takers? < 1243821258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243821298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1243821313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not for not wanting to < 1243821323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that were all on the internet, you see < 1243821333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: exchange: you help me find a copper car radiator, i give you semi-eternal gratitude < 1243821391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: very possible! < 1243821396 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :craigslist.co.uk < 1243821412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: cl isn't in my city. < 1243821420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its not a city. < 1243821423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? maybe the person will ship! < 1243821425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a town. a small abbey town. < 1243821433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's not helping me to find one :) < 1243821460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh alright < 1243821460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/?_nkw=copper+radiator&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=copper+car+radiator&_osacat=0 < 1243821461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1243821478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: none of those tell me how much heat they dissipate :) < 1243821485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up the specs! < 1243821518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-5-GT-TURBO-FULL-COPPER-RADIATOR-CORE_W0QQitemZ390055782501QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5ad122e865&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 okay Renault 5 GT Turbo google for that oh just more sellings of the copper core. < 1243821521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1243821590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call renault! < 1243821598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmnope < 1243821615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well! < 1243821943 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Quinn-Adagio-QS7002CP-Copper-Colour-Designer-Radiator_W0QQitemZ280347991448QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air?hash=item41460add98&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 < 1243821985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 1239W? < 1243821987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1243822006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: except < 1243822010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's 6 feet tall < 1243822021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stairs aren't high enough to fit something 6 feet tall on a wall < 1243822041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1243822047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a car radiator tho < 1243822056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's a radiator w/ high wattage, and it's copper < 1243822062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1243822063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: good enough to watercool a computer. < 1243822065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAID CAR RADIATOR < 1243822067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243822070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because car radiators have high wattage < 1243822073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i looked for car radiators. < 1243822087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had you TOLD ME you wanted just ANY radiator that wouldnt been different! :| < 1243822091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243822094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebay has lots of those. < 1243822101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right then,. < 1243822103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1243822104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1243822164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how did you search for it? < 1243822170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copper radiator" < 1243822175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said bsmntbombdood < 1243822178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243822340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243822485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that radiator doesn't list its water capacity < 1243822495 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243822501 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243822536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why the hell do you need such a large radiator for a computer? < 1243822548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ~429 watts of height, buddy. < 1243822554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1243822555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he wants it passive < 1243822561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two zalman reserators only dissipate 420W total < 1243822567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to go more heavy-duty < 1243822572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1243822573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fans. < 1243822576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1243822590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to eliminate fans?? < 1243822604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: one word < 1243822605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noise. < 1243822617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted fans, I'd go for air cooling, not water cooling. < 1243822617 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water pumps make noise < 1243822627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yes, that's why I'm putting it in the next room < 1243822635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, good water pumps are inaudible from a very short distance < 1243822637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1243822638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more inaudible than fans < 1243822641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre crazy < 1243822650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more so, your parents are crazy for letting you do this < 1243822658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, wtf are you doing that fan noise is an issue? :P < 1243822665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: perhaps— but the only moving parts in my system will be one measly pump and a HD for data (os on solid state drive) < 1243822670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thinking :) < 1243822686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243822687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao < 1243822692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre crazy < 1243822696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have very good hearing < 1243822710 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh :P < 1243822714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hear little noises from the living room - separated by an awful lot of space, and a thick wall < 1243822715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thinking" < 1243822715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this, he's making an anechoic chamber. < 1243822716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1243822720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243822721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thinking < 1243822727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also. < 1243822730 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH THINKING TO BE DONE < 1243822740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer with no fans at all? the geek factor is high. < 1243822790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hes going to be doing thinking, you know. < 1243822806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anechoic chambers actually aren't very good for you < 1243822807 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want an anechoic chamer < 1243822813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being in for a long time < 1243822821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your body expects some noise < 1243822825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, you get too much thinking done < 1243822831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fuck off :) < 1243822835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243822841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee "thinking" < 1243822843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you're so adorable. < 1243822848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dude, it was a joke < 1243822850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get over yourself < 1243822853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, anyway. < 1243822855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets pissed at his Internet connection. Will be back when it decides to do HTTP faster than 300 baud < 1243822873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it wasnt a joke, ehird < 1243822890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, one more thing psygnisfive < 1243822903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1243822926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a mac user right? I'm buying a high-end machine. Did you know that a lot of work that goes into Macs is to silence them? If you think that's what a high-end system sounds like, you really have no idea how loud they can be. < 1243822928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye → < 1243822941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243823243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. ehird needs to get fucked < 1243824025 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats a popsicle < 1243824029 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seductively) < 1243824451 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243824653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to present the pinnacle of diactrics technology: ı̥̈̇̉̆̅̄̃̂́̀̐̑̒̊ < 1243824667 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243824724 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE COMES < 1243825067 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see a lambda < 1243825081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No lambda. < 1243825093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 15 Unicode combining characters. < 1243826063 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243827268 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi < 1243827372 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243830734 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1243832184 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 , Googletalk = Patashu0@gmail.com ." < 1243833272 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the present perfect progressive tense, thereby making all non-native speakers in the world wonder why he didn't use the past progressive, the present perfect, or the simple past tense. < 1243833332 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tense situation < 1243833336 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wanted to imply that I expect that the action has not stopped and will continue into the future.) < 1243833343 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1243834581 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243835731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243835762 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243836746 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243836756 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243836803 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243837389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever read the whole of the human genome? < 1243837424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1243837437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason that I wouldn't read the whole encyclopedia. < 1243837456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm! < 1243838015 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the human genome? < 1243838036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple gigs? < 1243838038 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few megs. < 1243838061 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few megs? Gosh, that's tiny. < 1243838066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is. < 1243838092 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read a few megs of text in... not all that long. < 1243838099 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse it depends on how you describe it < 1243838109 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two bits per base? < 1243838110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ACGT form? or in gene form? < 1243838130 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "gene form"? < 1243838134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1243838141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOXP2 is the name of a gene < 1243838146 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a list of the names of genes? < 1243838151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably hundreds or thousands of base pairs long < 1243838167 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that's what the few megs number is. < 1243838177 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's really no point unless you're also reading the genes themselves. < 1243838232 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, a completely reasonable thing to do. You look at the GATTACA, translate that into amino acids, and imagine how that would fold. < 1243838245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee gattaca < 1243838246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1243838434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. A freaking MySQL dump is a few megs. < 1243838520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey? < 1243838553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some site has a searchable index of genomes. They publish MySQL dumps. < 1243838559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1243838664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant find the genome at all < 1243838690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a place where you could just download a text file with the whole thing in it < 1243838694 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess not anymore < 1243838900 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently a DNA sequence called piggyBac. < 1243838908 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a transposon. < 1243839150 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243841407 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243842266 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243842271 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243842320 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-33.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243843199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243843200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243843399 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1243844505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:14:32 * kerlo uses the present perfect progressive tense, thereby making all non-native speakers in the world wonder why he didn't use the past progressive, the present perfect, or the simple past tense. < 1243844509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:32 a tense situation < 1243844534 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good pun < 1243844536 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we in the business call a "pun" < 1243844563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, kerlo didn't (i am pretty sure that tense has the form "has been -ing", which he did not use). Also, Gracenotes, i must sue you for patent infringement. nothing personal. < 1243844743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:23:57 Same reason that I wouldn't read the whole encyclopedia. < 1243844763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls doing most of the "A" volume when young < 1243844776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, interest was too fleeting... < 1243844854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, the A-BEM volume, iirc) < 1243844910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, crappy encyclopedia < 1243844912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a lot of pointer chasing. < 1243844920 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first volume of mine is AAA-AAB < 1243844933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1243844949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1243844957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats bsmntbombdood -----### < 1243844964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES NOT COMPUTE < 1243845012 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1243845069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way is there an entire volume of things starting with AA < 1243845112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as your volume doesn't even _get_ to aardvark or aachen < 1243845121 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, it's large < 1243845174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa is even more dubious. although i suppose aab could take up more than half of the volume. < 1243845183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243845334 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an English encyclopedia. < 1243845345 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an Aaabaaabaabababian encyclopedia. < 1243845354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa. < 1243845398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next volume is BAA-BAB, and there are only two of them. < 1243845409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1243845416 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's a short BBA-BBB volume. < 1243845423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot ABA < 1243845427 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah :P < 1243845431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABA-ABBA < 1243845446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it only has a single obscure band under the latter < 1243845519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, three volumes. < 1243845523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, four < 1243845543 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, there's a full 17,576 volumes < 1243845615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't BELIEVE you < 1243845713 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orn.org is available. < 1243847204 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243847305 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-223-11.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847746 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847875 0 :ais523!i=93bc1b5d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3bc5f4b5f9fc680f JOIN :#esoteric < 1243847950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wtf is up with the BF Joust scoreboard? < 1243847966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how defend6 and 7 can be so high up, with defend9 low down < 1243847994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing scoring above 60, which is also rather suspicious < 1243848122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly someone reversed the polarity. and then took the average. < 1243848131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back under his rock. < 1243848146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would explain why the points are no longer integers < 1243848162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 is meant to be pretty polarity-independent, though < 1243848173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit that really cares about polarity is the decoys < 1243848176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, average over tape length < 1243848205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243848214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should help defend9 even more, it doesn't like excessively short tapes < 1243848219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm a bit surprised at the results < 1243848229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there may still be a bug somewhere... < 1243848454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still using egojoust as the interp? < 1243848488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so, i saw a mention by GregorR-L about wanting to keep the interp part standalone < 1243848491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, most of defend9's losses are to programs I don't recognise < 1243848505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect people have just been attacking it < 1243848892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain there are no bugs. < 1243848901 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interp is still separate, it just returns a more strange integer now :P < 1243848906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the results don't seem to indicate a bug to me < 1243848912 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES for the new system < 1243848916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are rather interesting < 1243848941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's rather strange to see two od myprograms that must be almost a week old by now up the top of the leaderboard < 1243848945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two of my programs < 1243848952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously [-] loops have made a comeback < 1243849637 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wurves that people complain regardless of the changes he makes 8-D < 1243849676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining, just surprised < 1243849683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the changes < 1243849695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am surprised at how they changed the leaderboard < 1243849720 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet there's a bigger potential audience for BF Joust out there. < 1243849724 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooomewheeeere < 1243849732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243849743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who never really got into corewar, for instance < 1243849951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: have you sped up egojoust? or will I get shot if I make another version of defend9? < 1243849971 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sped it up since it really killed it. It's not megafast, but it's fine. < 1243849980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243850000 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main problem isn't the base speed, but the sheer number of runs for every configuration, at this point :P < 1243850390 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and it does expand ({})%, though it doesn't expand ()*, so ({})%10000000 is to be avoided :P ) < 1243850410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojoust seems buggy on nested ({})% < 1243850419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to replace it with ([)* for defend9 < 1243850434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, there are some negative RLEs due to a bug in my generation script, but I don't think that code often gets run < 1243850971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+++]]>)*20 < 1243850978 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 11.1 < 1243850982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+++]]>)*21 < 1243850990 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 11.5 < 1243851016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy0 >>>>>>>>>([-[+]]>)*21 < 1243851024 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy0: 17.3 < 1243851058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why defend9 loses to that < 1243851307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I fixed that bug a while ago. < 1243851315 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or at least I think I did ... the nested ({}) bug that is. < 1243851325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243851501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1243851561 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2A97BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243851798 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243851977 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1243852011 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen BFJoust before. Where are the rules? < 1243852134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF%20Joust < 1243852142 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1243852173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly, we're using the version ais made. < 1243852280 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2A97BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243852280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically doing all forms of < 1243852281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversion should be unnecessary, but they're done for ... "completeness" < 1243852297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ^ um, you mean "stupidity"? < 1243852306 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243852310 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243852314 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the ellipses and question mark :P < 1243852314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverting one of them is enough... < 1243852337 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I didn't think about it when I first wrote it, then I went "oh yeah, 128 is 128 away from 0 in either direction" < 1243852350 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm too lazy to change it right now, and it makes no actual difference except time, so *eh* < 1243852381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubling time that is < 1243852426 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x is irrelevant. < 1243852496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had to replace it with ([)* for defend9 <-- i thought ([)* was illegal < 1243852521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: do you support ([)* ? < 1243852547 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, although it oughtn't. < 1243852550 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is illegal. < 1243852554 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works :P < 1243852561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without expansion? < 1243852594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so you could just turn (a{b}c)%n -> (a)*n b (c)*n < 1243852617 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()* is expanded if it includes [ or ], ATM. < 1243852622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1243852651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only reason to have ({})% is because ()* requires balanced []'s < 1243852690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it wouldn't be bad to allow ([)* if you could do it efficiently < 1243852715 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm only allowing ([) because I'm not handling the situation efficiently in general :P < 1243852723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1243852826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1243852826 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ < 1243853037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! the horizontal scrollbar of hg's file browser is stupid! < 1243853056 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243853090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _not_ in the visible part of the _window_, i have to scroll the main window to _see_ the inner scrollbar! < 1243853109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using some wacko browser? Super-low resolution? < 1243853114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE < 1243853133 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wacko browser. < 1243853142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1243853150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is not the browser < 1243853159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is my 1280x800 laptop screen < 1243853174 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop screen is 1280x800, and I have no issues :P < 1243853204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's only an issue for that one long line in egojoust.c < 1243853237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two long lines < 1243853272 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lookie there. < 1243853281 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I adjusted my font, I managed to produce stupiditude. < 1243853299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i like a fairly large font < 1243853304 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's fekky. < 1243853307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1243853402 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate a probably-not-insubstantial part of a mosquito today. < 1243853407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maximizing the window helps too < 1243853414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew! < 1243853429 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My arm itched but my hands were full, so I instinctively bit to scratch. < 1243853448 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice to say that when your arm itches because the mosquito is still there, that's not a good idea. < 1243853465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: i like to keep a small part of the irc window visible under my browser, so i can see if there is activity < 1243853515 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense *shrugs* < 1243853538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well it's protein! < 1243853560 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tasted mostly like (presumably my own) blood, surprisingly sweet, with a little bit of bitterness. < 1243853602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1243853607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1243853907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: huh, it looks to me like you have most of the ingredients for doing (balanced) ({})% and ()* without expansion already - you keep a stack of counters < 1243854139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is irritating when you find totally messed up logic in programs you wrote yourself... < 1243854159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even more irritating when the incorrect logic actually works too. < 1243854369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243854370 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge notecho num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yod < 1243854393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: hey, yodawg got cut off! < 1243854501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1243854501 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: bct bfbignum chiqrsx9p choo echo google gregor hello num ook rot13 slashes yodawg < 1243854543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfbignum? < 1243854549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language is it written < 1243854558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show bfbignum < 1243854559 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf (sending via DCC) < 1243854564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bf? < 1243854566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243854569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf, clearly < 1243854578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder who made it < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; Keymaker's brainfuck interpreter < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; a brainfuck interpreter written in brainfuck < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; the memory cells can hold any value from zero to infinity < 1243854598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09 =EgoBot> ;; written by Keymaker < 1243854641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243854652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they hold actual infinity? ;P < 1243854747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask keymaker < 1243854774 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+] < 1243854777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help asm < 1243854778 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for asm! < 1243854784 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRY THAT EGOBOT < 1243854817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum .[+.] < 1243854827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that is dead < 1243854831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum +.[+.] < 1243854831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243854854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£€¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ < 1243854856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1243854862 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: You can do inline ASM in C. < 1243854880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I closed the chat after a while < 1243854887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's limited to 128K anyway :P < 1243854894 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfbignum +.[+.] < 1243854895 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1243854901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, 128 k output? < 1243854913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1243854920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that kibibyte or kilobyte? ;P < 1243854930 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi < 1243854933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243854938 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kibble-bite. < 1243854952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, how many kilonibbles! < 1243854961 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kibblenibbles? < 1243854972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, kilo < 1243854978 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuity byte < 1243854989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, what < 1243854990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait < 1243854995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can do inline ASM in C. < 1243854998 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I directed that wrong :P < 1243855069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!notecho huh? < 1243855070 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1243855076 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show notecho < 1243855077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243855081 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243855082 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243855102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it was not being a user interpreter that made me wonder... < 1243855122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!notecho Echo! Echo! < 1243855122 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo! Echo! < 1243855125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1243855129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo Echo! < 1243855130 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo! < 1243855134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1243855134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah < 1243855141 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put that there while I was testing something. < 1243855154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test as well, i assume < 1243855164 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, !echo is a userinterp < 1243855165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show echo < 1243855166 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf ,[.,] < 1243855167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show num < 1243855168 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadol !1 < 1243855174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!num 3+3 < 1243855175 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1243855180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!num 44 < 1243855181 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1243855183 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some good math there. < 1243855188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1243855190 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterp dc sh dc < 1243855194 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 1 + 1 < 1243855201 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was successful. < 1243855212 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't have dc installed :P < 1243855215 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp dc < 1243855215 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interpreter doesn't exist! < 1243855227 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also I added it wrong. < 1243855231 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I rule. < 1243855239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show show < 1243855240 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243855250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243855251 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bc bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodawg < 1243855258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is show listed there < 1243855265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than at the beginning < 1243855303 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's in the hcmds directory *shrugs* < 1243855309 0 :nooga!n=Freya@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243855315 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc 2 * 1000000 < 1243855316 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000000 < 1243855367 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc x=8;y=x;y*2 < 1243855367 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1243855380 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1243855450 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GNU bc < 1243855517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what about dc... it is a lot easier to use than bc < 1243855547 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone done a program that would try seriously to recognize the opposing program? And briefly set its own flag to 0 just long enough to trick the opponent into stepping out of the array? < 1243855583 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: IMHO any program that took long enough to detect such things would lose while taking that time. < 1243855599 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... you're not Polish, you're Swedish, you're not supposed to like Reverse Polish Notation :P < 1243855607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, but I do! < 1243855615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as much as prefix notation < 1243855621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc 10/42 < 1243855622 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1243855624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1243855625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what* < 1243855628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't right < 1243855686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; 10/42 < 1243855686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.238095238095238095238095238095 < 1243855714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855715 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runtime error (func=(main), adr=18): Function s not defined. < 1243855722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc -l scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855723 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard_in) 1: syntax error < 1243855725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243855730 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking it would start something like >+++[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1243855735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you should load the math library with -l < 1243855759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp bc < 1243855760 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter bc deleted. < 1243855763 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp bc sh bc -l < 1243855764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter bc installed. < 1243855768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=30; s(10/42) < 1243855769 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.235852028768310500148768462188 < 1243855772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=3000; s(10/42) < 1243855776 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as the decoy gets cleared, it jumps immediately to the proper response after the matching ]. < 1243855778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243855781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a bit < 1243855784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bc scale=300; s(10/42) < 1243855785 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.2358520287683105001487684621888690261219855174394651629650889653465\ < 1243855802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the line break there < 1243855812 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows :P < 1243855816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess the 3000 decimals one isn't ready yet < 1243855826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, still I want dc ;/ < 1243855840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 2 / p is so much easier to read than 10/2 < 1243855847 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh add it yourself. < 1243855858 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this assumes you can set up a decoy such that each combination of program, array length, and inversion zeroes it at a slightly different time. Which may not be possible. And of course after a while you suspect that you're dealing with a purely defensive program and then other steps would be required. < 1243855859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, you said it wasn't installed? < 1243855881 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't, then I installed it and bc :P < 1243855885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243855933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, how do the interpreter see end of input < 1243855943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF right? < 1243855947 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1243855947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing strange there? < 1243855953 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1243855954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp dc sh dc < 1243855954 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter dc installed. < 1243855959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 2 / p < 1243855960 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1243855963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 42 / p < 1243855964 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1243855966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1243855969 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243855998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200 k 10 42 / p < 1243855999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.23809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523809523\ < 1243856000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bus?" < 1243856006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1243856064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 16o 16p < 1243856065 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1243856067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243856078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, can you do that with bc at all? < 1243856103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set output radix to 16, thus printing in hexdecimal) < 1243856113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably *shrugs* < 1243856157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243856158 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bc bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dc dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodaw < 1243856166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, you truncated yoda < 1243856168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1243856188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is the "speak like Yoda" day now again? < 1243856199 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully never? :P < 1243856206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!yoda May the force be with you < 1243856210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1243856213 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243856217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, pretty sure it exists < 1243856219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1243856237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway you need to handle this truncation issue < 1243856268 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, !help is too long and I'm not sure what I want to do about it >_> < 1243856278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1243856289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: output more than one line, maybe? < 1243856299 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, not for !help :( < 1243856303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, display something like "for listing userinterpreters use !whatever", for listing special commands use !whatever < 1243856307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243856311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a different whatever of course < 1243856321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitting it in logical sections < 1243856344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like addinterp daemon daemons delinterp help info kill show in one group < 1243856348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly a few others too) < 1243856362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes "userinterps" too < 1243856365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help adjust < 1243856365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for adjust! < 1243856368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!adjust what < 1243856374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is adjust < 1243856380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language, presumably. < 1243856380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ^ < 1243856382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243856394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway what do you think about the split group thingy? < 1243856430 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its current form that would be a GIANT pita. < 1243856436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when you get here: you might be interested in the discussion here: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss < 1243856439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's probably the best idea :( < 1243856444 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a lot of these programs have deletion loops ending in ]], there isn't a way to break out of them by setting one's flag to 0 for only one turn, after the loop has been entered. So instead the solution is presumably to keep it in the deletion loop longer by pushing the thing past 0 every time it zeroes it, and in between, going on and working on reducing the enemy flag. < 1243856456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjust is an esolang, I think < 1243856460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: yes < 1243856466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or turning the flag the other way faster < 1243856471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how all my defend-number programs work < 1243856484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, !bfjoust should clearly not be in same group as for example !daemon. Since !daemon is one of those "meta" commands < 1243856505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, from a user viewpoint they are rather different < 1243856506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, dbc, if you are who I think you are, it's an honour to have you in this channel < 1243856520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would dbc bd? < 1243856521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1243856552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Daniel B Cristofani, one of the world's best Brainfuck programmers < 1243856560 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be less efficient? I'm thinking IF you actually have the other program identified, then you only need to spend one or two cycles of 256 foiling attempts to zero your flag, and the rest can be used to clear out the other flag? < 1243856564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I see that name recently... < 1243856564 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's me. Thank you. < 1243856578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. in the semi-optimised output of LostKing... < 1243856582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: if you have the opponent identified, efficiency doesn't matter any more < 1243856585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the compiler I'm working on) < 1243856598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't, reversing the direction sometimes works even if you're approximately right < 1243856616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very hard to tell loops that work like [---++] from loops that work like [....+] with BF-style observations < 1243856622 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're right. Premature optimization etc. < 1243856625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first probably needs several cycles foiling attempts to zero < 1243856630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[If you want to identify opponents, you should be playing FYB instead of BF Joust :P ] < 1243856673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n Daniel B Cristofani (http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/)\n Jeffry Johnston (http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/)\n Ian Haberkorn (No web site)\n Javri aka Katzy (http://www.nostalgia8.org)\n\nExtra credit goes to:\n Daniel without whom this project would have been so much poorer\n Jeffry without whom this project would not have been possible\n"); < 1243856674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243856713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I know that lostkingdom contains an easter egg, I don't know what it is though...: < 1243856715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os("\n\nYou have activated the easter egg"); < 1243856728 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to zleeeep. < 1243856737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have LostKng's original source? < 1243856737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, fixed help yet? ;P < 1243856752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... no that is from my optimised compiled C program of lostking < 1243856757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243856762 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The approach I was thinking of, which is of course useless against any new program, is to identify the program and length solely by the exact number of cycles before it zeroes your decoy. < 1243856763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I constant fold output as you know < 1243856781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: with random tape length, you'd need to be a bit more clever than that < 1243856789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or with check-all-tape-lengrhs) < 1243856791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I know < 1243856797 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking check-all. < 1243856811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs look identical to such analyses, though < 1243856825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. defend6/7/9 will never zero your decoy at all < 1243856841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor would vibration_fool_faster or jump2, although they've fallen off the hill < 1243856855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many attack programs will start much the same way, so they'd be hard to tell apart < 1243856867 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...after a certain time you know it's a defensive one and then you do have to do some other check. But then you have time to do so. < 1243856869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, vibration_fool_faster did zero eventually, but after about 10000 cycles) < 1243856923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(-+)*5000[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1243856929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how it would do on the present hill < 1243856931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 12.2 < 1243856939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is "not very well" < 1243856943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243856948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how times change < 1243856985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(-+)*50000 < 1243856989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that isn't vff < 1243856991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just vibration < 1243857002 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 10.6 < 1243857019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, no draws < 1243857025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127.(-+)*50000 < 1243857035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's different, I think I hit a bug in egojoust < 1243857040 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 11.3 < 1243857042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1243857054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, loads of draws now < 1243857066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojoust must count a program as losing if it times out with its flag on 0 < 1243857094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust fool_faster >>>>>>>>>+[[[>[---]+]+]+]+[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1243857101 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_fool_faster: 4.2 < 1243857109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, that was rubbish < 1243857177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy19 (>)*15([(+)*19[-]]>)*14[[-]][[-]] < 1243857185 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy19: 11.7 < 1243857210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still last, and it loses to the programs it's meant to beat... < 1243857231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy19 (>)*10([(+)*19[-]]>)*19[[-]][[-]] < 1243857238 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_speedy19: 20.8 < 1243857257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, better < 1243857539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not /good/, but I like to have a few speedies up there to get rid of the really slow programs < 1243858483 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dead pixels in the sky." < 1243858928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[-1]+=1; < 1243858928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other code, not using p[-1]) < 1243858930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[-1]+=255; < 1243858933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1243858936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lostkingdom < 1243858945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bug in in-between? < 1243858952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does p change in between? < 1243858958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't < 1243858965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the use of p[-1] has been optimised out there < 1243858978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you keep rerunning your optimisation templates until none of them match/ < 1243858982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I do in OIL < 1243858982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there were some loops -> polynomial conversion < 1243858993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I keep rerunning all the passes until the tree doesn't change any more < 1243858999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since not all passes are simple matches < 1243859005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example the constant propagator < 1243859006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243859019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in C-INTERCAL I do constant propagation by pattern matching < 1243859026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I optimise away those two p[-1] accesses now < 1243859039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well constant/copy propagation < 1243859050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[0]=p[2]; < 1243859057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1]=p[0]; < 1243859063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propagate that copy there < 1243859065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ends up as < 1243859068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[0]=p[2]; < 1243859070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1]=p[2]; < 1243859131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it is done by building a dict with offset as key as I go along. I plan a pass that converts things to dependency graphs and then re-serialises stuff back to the parse tree at the end. < 1243859148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would allow me to do some stuff that is infeasible currently < 1243859189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway currently I'm working on making the shifter handle polynomials fully. So it can sort other instructions relative them. < 1243859204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'd better go off to an exam < 1243859207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1243859212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bye for now, I'll be back later < 1243859213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243859230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that p[-1] pattern happens quite a few times in lostking < 1243859251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always in code related to output long descriptions it seems < 1243860346 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriting a compiler for a BFBasic subset that will cut lostkingdom's length dramatically has been on my to-do list for years. I'm a big procrastinator. < 1243860374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, you have the original source? < 1243860377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243860462 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere. < 1243860478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current lostkingdom in bf contains some dead loops btw. < 1243860486 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprised. < 1243860490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243860532 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing I could cut the length in half, at least. < 1243860546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is however rather easy to optimise it, while something like that mandelbrot.b program (hand written iirc) is a lot harder to optimise. < 1243860572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every [-] is gold worth for an optimising BF->anything compiler ;P < 1243860679 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what target are you considering for "anything"? ;) < 1243860696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, anything but outputting again to bf? ;P < 1243860706 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243860716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-to-bf optimiser could do a lot of stuff on lostkingdom though... < 1243860757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, any idea why LostKng.b starts with this rather silly BF code: [-][.] < 1243860761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243860781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it it some sort of sanity test for the compiler/interpreter? < 1243860823 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's meant to say "This code produced with BFBASIC" :) < 1243860839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1243860900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to get character frequency for lostking. I suspect that < and > would be the most common ones... < 1243860987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while read -r -n 1 ch; do echo $ch; done < examples/LostKng.b) | sort -n | uniq -c < 1243860989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1243861002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from the fastest way to do it... < 1243861073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1443451 < 1243861075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the results < 1243861081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why there is a @ there... < 1243861091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those blanks are probably newlines < 1243861136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and interesting. Overall the program is balanced it seemd < 1243861137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems* < 1243861170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not in any useful for optimising sense) < 1243861188 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense then? < 1243861201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same number of > and < in the program < 1243861218 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Are there the same number of > and < within matched [] also? < 1243861223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243861228 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't think so. < 1243861231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it isn't useful to optimising :P < 1243861232 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be odd. < 1243861250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, a bit odd that the total count match up still... < 1243861330 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that odd. The more straightforward things to navigate variable-sized data structures tend to balance, and then if BFBASIC decided to leave the pointer back at point 0 for some reason...which wouldn't be that surprising, though useless... < 1243861359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell there are no dead <<<<< at the end of the program < 1243861378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe there is, but not easily detectable from a quick glance < 1243861446 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243861462 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're not totally dead. I don't remember how the whole goto thing was implemented but maybe it actually looks at cell 0. < 1243861547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243861571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, have you seen that gcc-bf thing ais523 is working on? BF backend for GCC. < 1243861583 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't. < 1243861584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it is uploaded anywhere atm (due to hosting issues) < 1243861593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it produces even more verbose code. < 1243861600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a simple hello world < 1243861636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to stdio brining in atexit, which used malloc iirc) < 1243861687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a special run length encoding of bf, it is 434K. I haven't seen it fully expanded... Don't think it would be a good idea to try to fully expand it :D < 1243861717 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243861776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/hworld1.bfrle < 1243861784 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Von Neumann's self-reproducing automaton, or the number that's the subject of Gödel's theorem, or... :) < 1243861788 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not a good idea, look at this: < 1243861789 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(code starts here) < 1243861789 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*12897+*7 < 1243861791 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243861792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*44 means "the previous instruction 44 times < 1243861800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yeah indeed < 1243861811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code before that is just setup of tape < 1243861819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to set every third cell to 1 < 1243861821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other stuff < 1243861922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I wonder what "(%999999999 Assertion error)" is there for < 1243861962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm... >*393216 < 1243861970 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, < 1243861983 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it contains the whole C standard library? < 1243861989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, not the whole < 1243861991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some modules < 1243861996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdio, atexit, malloc < 1243862001 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :necessary one, of course. < 1243862027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be debated < 1243862061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>*12883[-<*12889+>*6+>*12883] <*12883[->*12883+<*12883] >*12889 < 1243862062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1243862071 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, < 1243862094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, it isn't hot on locality of reference I guess ;P < 1243862131 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered this source code while uncovering old hard disk: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/ws/raw-file/51fb8e8aed54/esotope-ws < 1243862143 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, why did i write that code? -_- < 1243862165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and why in that shape? < 1243862181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, those are some HUGE eyebrows? < 1243862200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they antennas? < 1243862209 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's Tsukamoto Tenma, some random female anime character. < 1243862214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243862228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is that really valid python? < 1243862232 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1243862240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about indention... < 1243862247 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole source code is in the single, concatenated line. < 1243862261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you unpack it somehow? < 1243862265 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243862281 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i cannot understand me 5 years ago still... maybe i had too much spare time. < 1243863092 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243864021 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243865374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, do you think it is a good idea to unroll ALL repeat loops? < 1243865392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I only do it for ones containing only set, add and such < 1243865394 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all? < 1243865415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, repeat loops in mode code are loops with known iteration count, and known balanced. < 1243865422 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it should unroll MORE loops than now, but not ALL. < 1243865423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mode/my < 1243865441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, which ones shouldn't be unrolled then? < 1243865492 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not sure; but if the unrolling requires a solution of linear recurrence equation, it would go certainly wrong. < 1243865506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hum? < 1243865529 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example, some loop can try to generate 1000th fibonacci number.) < 1243865563 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: int i; for (i = 0; i < 1000; ++i) { p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; } to name a few. < 1243865570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, Since iteration count is constant, repeat loop is balanced, and unrolling means "duplicate body of loop iteration count times, then insert" it wouldn't generate broken code. < 1243865585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so an upper limit on iteration count rather? < 1243865592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what limit < 1243865599 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1243865671 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that if there is no code optimized via unrolling, do not unroll. < 1243865673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, also, if it only contains sets and adds (but no copies or set_from), unrolling it always will be a gain. Since those will constant fold to pretty much the length of the loop body soon after. < 1243865697 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243865703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I wouldn't know that until much later < 1243865711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for comparing "did I gain something" < 1243866854 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243866869 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the loop end condition is trivial enough then you can always gain because you can get rid of the branch instruction in between each run of the loop < 1243867081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : when is the "speak like Yoda" day now again? < 1243867084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 21 < 1243867096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mercifully avoid it, you did < 1243867125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talklikeyoda.com/ < 1243867158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is surprised it is not Like Yoda Talk Day. or something. < 1243867165 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243867236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, good point! < 1243867272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall reading somewhere that yoda actually only mangled a small fraction of his sentences. < 1243867502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show help < 1243867503 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243867556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, btw I solved that "back end independent output while retaining abstraction bit" for polynomials by a fold-like function < 1243867582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a fun and gives it a stream of tokens. < 1243867599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "not really fold, but I can't find a good name for it" < 1243867619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, how did you solve it for your expressions? < 1243867646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(full expressions are a lot messier to work with than simple polynomials..) < 1243868673 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not yet. maybe i'll add some visitor later. < 1243868683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm I called mine "walker" < 1243868699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see the logic behind the name visitor < 1243868864 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: essentially same, but not implemented yet < 1243868887 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the name visitor is more popular in java, due to its use in visitor pattern < 1243868911 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't like patterns in java, and don't like java mostly < 1243868950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out why this didn't swap: p[1]+=255; o(-42); < 1243868969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no dependency between changing offset 1 and outputting offset -42... < 1243869120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and I'm not sure what I'm doing is a "design pattern"... < 1243869126 0 :impomatic!n=John@217.171.129.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243869145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just common idiom for functional languages... Which I guess boils down to something similar... < 1243869156 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1243869192 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been camping for three days. Any new techniques for BF Joust while I've been gone? Or more of the same? < 1243869229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243869314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: int i; for (i = 0; i < 1000; ++i) { p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; } to name a few. < 1243869333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nicely optimizable with some matrix multiplication, i think :D < 1243869343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I see. < 1243869354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me more? < 1243869355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1243869367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what would the output code be < 1243869385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: each iteration is essentially multiplying the vector (p[3], p[4], p[5]) by a matrix < 1243869392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1243869399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1243869407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me what the generated C code would be < 1243869436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the matrix power could be constant folded < 1243869473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something of the form < 1243869529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p3 = M33*p[3]+M34*p[4]+M35*p[5]; p4 = ...; p5 = ...; p[3] = p3; p[4] = p4; p[5] = p5 < 1243869544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I would constant fold that if I unrolled it anyway. < 1243869550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the M33 - M55 constants all are 0..255, in modulo arithmetic < 1243869564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two iterations: p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; p[3] = p[5]; p[5] += p[4]; p[4] = p[3]; would turn into... < 1243869575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indeed, but exponentiation can be done faster than iterated multiplication < 1243869590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would get the same result but faster < 1243869608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mhm < 1243869633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can calculate M^2, M^4, ..., M^512 matrices and then multiply those < 1243869639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243869648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, my compiler is slow enough anyway ;P < 1243869663 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243869729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243869928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's IWC seems fine... < 1243870018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems like the universe might be settling down again after the recreation... < 1243870085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the degree that having balrogs running around can be considered "settling down" < 1243870114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1243870119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I read it a few hours ago < 1243870128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1243870222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243870245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Lightning Made of Owls has _not_ updated... < 1243870252 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243870264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all just couldn't be right, could it < 1243870288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't real that one < 1243870305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1243870307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read* < 1243870310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't notice it < 1243870424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield contains a math error today... < 1243870440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title doesn't match the description, because of misplaced parenthesis. < 1243870455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243870483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be (Minus (Garfield Squared)) < 1243870501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243870562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, odd no one has done anything based on that NESfield thingy < 1243870571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some more of that < 1243870581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what was that again < 1243870590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the archive and look for NESfield < 1243870637 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1243870674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the license on that one is rather dubious... < 1243870733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an actual parody, just sprites presented for later parody, and they are presumably all copyrighted < 1243870782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although an _actual_ parody based on those might be fine < 1243870844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess the license doesn't apply anyway since it says "original aspects" < 1243871034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243871383 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872122 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872266 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243872307 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872384 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243872939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1243872946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243873082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243873178 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243873381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243873585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm reworking option handling. Now it shouldn't be as hard to run in_between on gccbfrle < 1243873596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not easy but working on that < 1243873600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243874206 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243874372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the genome just a bad, ad-hoc, genetically evolved programming language? :) < 1243874380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:27 psygnisfive: man. ehird needs to get fucked ← legal issues there < 1243874497 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243874644 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243874719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, yes. < 1243874955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25 AnMaster: GregorR, what about dc... it is a lot easier to use than bc ← you're joking < 1243874965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25 dbc: Has anyone done a program that would try seriously to recognize the opposing program? And briefly set its own flag to 0 just long enough to trick the opponent into stepping out of the array? ←yes < 1243874967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not < 1243874989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200k 1 3/P < 1243874999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 200k 1 3 / p < 1243875000 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333\ < 1243875001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243875003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You just need to use an HP calculator. < 1243875005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243875010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthat seems buggy! < 1243875013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 / p < 1243875013 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.33333333333333333333 < 1243875016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 /P < 1243875018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 20k 1 3 / P < 1243875030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P != p... < 1243875033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1243875054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P doesn't print a newline. < 1243875057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41 ais523: also, dbc, if you are who I think you are, it's an honour to have you in this channel ← he's been in here for years constantly < 1243875063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also doesn't it print as ascii? < 1243875078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dc 10 98 P P < 1243875078 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1243875080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1243875219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15 lifthrasiir: i discovered this source code while uncovering old hard disk: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/ws/raw-file/51fb8e8aed54/esotope-ws ← i am sure I have seen this before < 1243875226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just something similar < 1243875284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:12 AnMaster: just common idiom for functional languages... Which I guess boils down to something similar... < 1243875287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiom=design pattern < 1243875317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But "design pattern" sounds like some enterprisy OOP thing... :P < 1243875355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it is < 1243875378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: although it's more like design pattern subset-of idioms < 1243875390 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer has been in here for years constantly. I've been here only intermittently. :) < 1243875391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1243875397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't become as ridiculous until recently btw. ward cunningham and martin fowler have done non-crackhead design patterns stuff < 1243875411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In software engineering, a design pattern is a general reusable solution to a commonly occurring problem in software design. A design pattern is not a finished design that can be transformed directly into code. It is a description or template for how to solve a problem that can be used in many different situations. Object-oriented design patterns typically show relationships and interactions between classes or objects, without specifying the fi < 1243875414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nal application classes or objects that are involved. < 1243875418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idioms are patterns in the language code itself < 1243875424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :design patterns are patterns in how the code operates < 1243875428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243875444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they partly overlap < 1243875449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243875451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but != < 1243875505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56 dbc: My computer has been in here for years constantly. I've been here only intermittently. :) ← computer, you, what's the difference < 1243875516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / god I'm paranoid about whitespace < 1243875539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where was that extra whitespace? < 1243875539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that slashdot story has emacs as a tag < 1243875542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1243875543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: before ← < 1243875546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243875565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to remove defend6 from the rankings < 1243875565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's almost the same as defend7) < 1243875568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or is this an eternal, undecidable holy-war question along the lines of ATI/nVidia, AMD/Intel, Coke/Pepsi" < 1243875574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he managed to put all the correct ones second < 1243875575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1243875585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, Emacs is one of the only sane ways to edit VHDL < 1243875588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1243875589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, when you get here: you might be interested in the discussion here: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss < 1243875590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243875590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because VHDL has so much boilerplate < 1243875593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243875599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs' VHDL-mode fills the boilerplate in for you < 1243875602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i prefer verilog < 1243875604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason that link says "connection reset by server" when I try it < 1243875608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a language you hack on in vi < 1243875611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real vi) < 1243875612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like its RPM-mode? < 1243875628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl 'http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/05/31/187208/VHDL-or-Verilog-For-Learning-FPGAs?from=rss' < 1243875628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (56) Failure when receiving data from the peer < 1243875629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1243875630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the difference to me seems to be that VHDL is very strict and quadruple-checky, Verilog hand-waves if you write something nonsensical < 1243875631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Real men use ed. < 1243875631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth? < 1243875640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And implement Vi in it. < 1243875647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main slashdot works < 1243875665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does http://ask.slashdot.org/ < 1243875675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that full link, or clicking on the article < 1243875676 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243875680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /me mumbles something about real men < 1243875681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has any idea why? < 1243875684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird ^ < 1243875686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Slashdot has gone all Web 2.0 Javascript < 1243875689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your internet sux < 1243875692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the fallback to pure HTML mostly works < 1243875695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ridiculous excuse < 1243875697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his internet always breaks < 1243875699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially dns < 1243875703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dns isn't broken here < 1243875704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/zhnig.png < 1243875707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I said < 1243875708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243875715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pinnacle of rendering of the pinnacle of diacritics technology < 1243875716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know that < 1243875720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm saying that your DNS breaks often < 1243875727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dns only broke twice or so the last year < 1243875730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is often < 1243875737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever; you often say links don't work for you. < 1243875741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for lycos.fr in both cases < 1243875749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. But mostly not due to dns < 1243875756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed like it < 1243875803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Minor failure. < 1243875805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/187208 <-- that link works for the same thing < 1243875814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess what ais523 said was the issue < 1243875816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ı should be centered. :p < 1243875823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wut < 1243875825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243875829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a font issue < 1243875834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can render it in Helvetica if you want < 1243875842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1243875900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if I do it on one line, it's three dots, bar, circle. If I had more newlines before, more stuff appears < 1243875910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1243875934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/iMicG.png < 1243875939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy with a 100dpi LCD display. < 1243875943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so which is best, verilog or vhdl? < 1243875952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which is best, C or Erlang? < 1243875956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks about right. < 1243875957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243875965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, is it that type of question < 1243875981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "which is best, C or C++" < 1243875981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL if you want to be damn sure nothing went wrong at all < 1243875985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog if you actually want to get shit done < 1243875986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1243875991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but most likely? < 1243875997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1243875999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whatever your institute has an okay compiler for. < 1243876004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1243876009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're rich and can afford one yourself. < 1243876107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1243876113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A resolution with exactly 120 dpi at 12". < 1243876117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1152x864 < 1243876149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243876168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 12" makes me think more in the terms of "800x600" < 1243876175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Laptop. < 1243876178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which my old first model ibook was) < 1243876179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1243876191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, 800x600 is kind of unusable. < 1243876204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my ibook was iirc 12" (or 12.5"?) and resolution was 800x600 < 1243876207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was back in 2001 or so < 1243876211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2001? < 1243876213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit small for 2001. < 1243876217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2000? 2001? < 1243876218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, OS X then? < 1243876220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1243876223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X isn't happy with 800x600, really < 1243876224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. It was OS 9 < 1243876227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243876227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah < 1243876228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS 8 < 1243876229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243876230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1243876235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, OS X didn't exist back then < 1243876238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err < 1243876240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 8.1 < 1243876240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x came out in 2001. < 1243876244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public beta in 2000 < 1243876249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bought an ibook in 2000, it was os 9. < 1243876257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look it up on infallopedia, anyway < 1243876279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it might have been late 1999 even. Depends on when the first ibook was released. < 1243876288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jul 21 99 < 1243876289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was pretty soon after the first one was released < 1243876292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinued may 1 01 < 1243876295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few months iirc < 1243876304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then probably late 1999 or early 2000 < 1243876308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mac os 9 = oct 23 99 < 1243876313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you almost certainly had os 9... < 1243876325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have the CD here... says 8.5 on it < 1243876329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1243876333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be an old one that wasn't sold < 1243876366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that is the wrong computer. The ibook one is 8.6 in fact. the 8.5 cd is from another old mac < 1243876368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1243876373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 1152x864 is a great resolution < 1243876578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys. Scientific facts. < 1243876655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets nostalgic and boots the old ibook < 1243876664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it still works... < 1243876666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243876668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster? Liking some sort of mac? < 1243876669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of work < 1243876670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpossible! < 1243876679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 3.4 GB harddrive < 1243876680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243876681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2 < 1243876681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243876695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I went something → 10GB → 80GB < 1243876701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glitches in power connector, dead battery < 1243876707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→ 500GB although that was just for media, w/ 80GB for OS) < 1243876714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→ 160GB in imac) < 1243876718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "very still tabletop" nowdays < 1243876720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TIME MACHINE WHOOSH → 160GB/1TB) < 1243876725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 32 MB RAM! < 1243876725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, this HD is 230GB < 1243876726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1243876744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mac displayed < 1243876745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'd like to see that try and boot os x < 1243876755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't have any OS X CD < 1243876766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do :-P < 1243876771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and it could probably boot OS X 10.0 or so < 1243876775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE 10.1 < 1243876776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243876782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot :P < 1243876795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what processor is it? < 1243876810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, G3... let me wait for it to boot so I can check details < 1243876826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a g3 imac for a few days (i broke the optical drive so it won't boot an install cd and had previously fucked up the OS on it, kekekeke) < 1243876832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233mhz proc or something < 1243876832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibook I said < 1243876837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16MB of ram or something? < 1243876846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243876846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hd was upgraded to 4gb i think < 1243876853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems clock battery is dead < 1243876854 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243876864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it complains clock is at 1904 < 1243876877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is fucking loud < 1243876881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it? < 1243876885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the harddrive is half dead < 1243876886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1243876889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of laptops as loud they're so small :D < 1243876900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have an old beige powermac running os 8 or 9 in the corner collecting dust < 1243876902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that thing's loud < 1243876904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't hear yourself think < 1243876906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, very loud and high pitched < 1243876917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same for this < 1243876921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be much quietet < 1243876925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quieter < 1243876932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably something half-broken < 1243876944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 300 MHz < 1243876953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked in "Apple Systeminformation" < 1243876990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should wire up my power mac and g3 < 1243876998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get back that really old ~486 i had < 1243877003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put plan9 on them < 1243877006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISTRIBUTED COMPUTATION NETWORK < 1243877012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethernet connected < 1243877014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1243877016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what happen < 1243877019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens* < 1243877020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you do a plan 9 cpu server < 1243877022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm. Not a lot < 1243877039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1243877048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it got an IP finally < 1243877050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was slow < 1243877052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243877054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thougth you meant < 1243877060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect my machines with ethernet < 1243877060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243877068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this won't work when everything goes IPv6 in 2050 or so :P < 1243877068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it have IE or netscape? < 1243877076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IE 5 probably < 1243877083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 5 for the mac was sort of okay < 1243877085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I upgraded it to OS 9 later. < 1243877089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate codebase from windows ie < 1243877094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 9.1 now < 1243877135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IE 5.1 < 1243877150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. It actually had rendering vaguely close to that specified by the standard. < 1243877163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg ← Flower Power is totally trippy. < 1243877168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ah, Plan9. < 1243877181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was gonna buy an old imac way back then I'd have got a graphite or snow one since I'm soooooooo boring < 1243877324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think this *ibook* is "bondi blue" < 1243877355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this colouring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBook_redjar.jpg < 1243877360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and model < 1243877376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1243877429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes it is the harddrive that is making the sound < 1243877438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRRRRRRRR KRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1243877439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it just put the harddrive into sleep it stopped the sound < 1243877449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, more like: < 1243877451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM AN UNRELIABLE, SLOW DISK HERE ME ROAR < 1243877452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME < 1243877455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NE* < 1243877469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly < 1243877491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1243877498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are pro-letting-society-kill-babies-without-lying-about-it-for-the-greater-good then you are in my camp, welcome. < 1243877499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243877501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong quote < 1243877503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from reddit troll) < 1243877506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant to paste was: < 1243877508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the reason is that Verilog, being much like C, is inherently procedural. You don't want to think procedurally with digital logic except for the specific case of state machine design, and even then you have to take into account concurrency. It is this fundamental aspect of concurrency in HDLs that is key to being able to design effectively. < 1243877511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this true? < 1243877534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL/Verilog must not be written in a procedural way for actually generating code < 1243877546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verilog was originally designed for verification, where procedural code is fine < 1243877549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1243877561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for synthesizing/compiling rather than verifying, writing in a procedural way will give you a mess < 1243877573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only procedural structures that work are if and for, and they're both unrolled < 1243877623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "verifying" how? < 1243877646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Verilog was originally designed for writing testsuites for hardware circuitry < 1243877653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas VHDL was designed for generating it < 1243877660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they've both stolen all the features of the other < 1243877664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nowadays, either can do either < 1243877666 0 :trainman419!n=trainman@pcp059390pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1243877670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok... how would verilog for testing vhdl generated hardware work? < 1243877673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1243877684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can use VHDL/Verilog to describe how hardware behaves < 1243877689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Verilog for testing hardware. In general. < 1243877701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most high-end synthesis tools will produce a Verilog/VHDL version of the hardware they've produced < 1243877703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243877708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this involves compiling VHDL to VHDL sometimes) < 1243877710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243877719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can run that in a simulator to test it? < 1243877720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1243877729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and the simulator would also be written in VHDL/Verilog < 1243877740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought you meant "using verilog for generating hardware that test other hardware" < 1243877743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1243877743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nowadays, possibly SystemC, which is simulation only < 1243877755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the simulator uses different parts of the language < 1243877757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, and the simulator would also be written in VHDL/Verilog <-- err? < 1243877763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1243877767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suppose you want to simulate VHDL code < 1243877771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243877773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write a testbench in VHDL < 1243877779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simulate the testbench + code combination < 1243877787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the testbench can even throw errors when unexpected things happen < 1243877787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-interpreter? < 1243877790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pipe output to a file < 1243877793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not a self-interp < 1243877795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like yuk < 1243877797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links into the program < 1243877812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok. So what bit runs the othermore simulator layer? < 1243877816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outermost* < 1243877828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compile or interpret the VHDL < 1243877836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either you compile it and run the machine code, that's simulation < 1243877838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO DAWG < 1243877843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you interpret the VHDL, that's simulation < 1243877846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I herd u liek testing hardware < 1243877853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put a simulator in your hardware language < 1243877857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can simulate while you simulate < 1243877860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows < 1243877864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL is incredibly yo dawg, yes < 1243877878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unknown to have five versions of the same program, all written in VHDL < 1243877883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the first was compiled into the second by hand < 1243877884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1243877891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was compiled into the third/fourth/fifth automatically < 1243877895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs' viper-mode is very weird. < 1243877904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's kind of rubbish < 1243877906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Why are you using it? < 1243877910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just steals a few basic key combinations < 1243877914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the essence of vi < 1243877916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the important bit < 1243877917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like: I herd u liek editing so I put an editor in your editor so you can edit while you edit. < 1243877923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former follows the latter naturally < 1243877927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What, you think I'd *use* it? < 1243877930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fifth version would be a very low-level description of the hardware that would be produced < 1243877933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with timing, and everything < 1243877950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I assumed you tried it since you were commenting on it... < 1243877954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, if I'm going to use a Vi-like, I'll just start up Vim. < 1243877962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying it's very weird. < 1243877976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243877982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Start up Vim in terminal-mode. :p < 1243878013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, viper is Emacs advantages (modes, etc), with vi's controls < 1243878037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The two don't integrate very well. < 1243878050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and they're vi's, not vim's. < 1243878058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243878132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:39 AnMaster: pikhq, I assumed you tried it since you were commenting on it... < 1243878136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned yo dawg, so. < 1243878148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40 ais523: well, viper is Emacs advantages (modes, etc), with vi's controls ← but vi's controls aren't important to the philosophy! < 1243878156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1243878156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start with vi's philosophy, you'll derive vi's controls < 1243878162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viper-mode is Emacs' philosophy, but vi's controls < 1243878162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other way around < 1243878165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " i mentioned yo dawg, so." <-- was that directed to me? If so what do you mean. < 1243878167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's why it hasn't caught on < 1243878169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but nobody wants that! < 1243878176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pikhq said viper was yo-dawg < 1243878179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after me saying something else was < 1243878183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming that's why < 1243878240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane assumption. < 1243878825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact about this ibook... < 1243878842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you are downloading something, don't do anything else... even moving the mouse slows down the download < 1243878858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by about 10 kbps < 1243878864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it a network mouse? < 1243878870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from 141 to 131 kbps) < 1243878876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, touch pad < 1243878881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1243878894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not entirely sure network mice exist < 1243878903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't be surprised if someone had invented them by now < 1243878905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I never heard of it before < 1243878928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, network keyboard? < 1243878934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, someone on a torrent site comments thing on a comment told someone obviously using a mac to delete hal.dll (vital windows dll) < 1243878937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling fail < 1243878965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, hal is quite an important component of Linux too < 1243878968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming coincidence? < 1243878970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243878971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wouldn't be a dll in Windows) < 1243878973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1243878974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Linux < 1243878986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : strange, hal is quite an important component of Linux too <-- no? < 1243878997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not system criticial < 1243878999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most distros use hal/hald nowadays < 1243879008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's like saying a screen isn't system-critical < 1243879010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it isn't system critical actually < 1243879014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, but most users want one anyway < 1243879022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah i love chiptunes < 1243879037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x isn't system-critical either < 1243879045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still an important component of a linux system < 1243879050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, system critical: init, libc, kernel, + whatever is needed to get you to a rescue shell < 1243879059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish definition < 1243879067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that users wouldn't want to keep it. < 1243879070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: libc? < 1243879071 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243879083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't rescue shells statically-linked? < 1243879098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they are. But I don't think init is < 1243879100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1243879110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init is dynamically linked < 1243879113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: init isn't system-critical anyway < 1243879119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could do init=/bin/bb in grub < 1243879121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use any program you like as an init, via a boot option < 1243879123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bash works fine < 1243879124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243879331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: only if it was someone who is of age! < 1243879339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDrive#Floppy_disk_drive < 1243879341 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243879349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Erm, no. < 1243879354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex between two minors is illegal in the UK. < 1243879358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? wow. < 1243879359 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243879367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. There's been prosecutions on it. < 1243879384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty funny < 1243879433 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243879440 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243880301 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243881064 0 :trainman419!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243881629 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243881730 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243881753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Britain’s Supreme Court of Judicature has answered a question that has long puzzled late-night dorm-room snackers: What, exactly, is a Pringle? With citations ranging from Baroness Hale of Richmond to Oliver Wendell Holmes, Lord Justice Robin Jacob concluded that, legally, it is a potato chip." < 1243881759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potatoless potato chip. < 1243881800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it matter? tax reasons? < 1243881803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting that it would be called a potato chip in Britain, given that they're crisps over there. :p < 1243881827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they are < 1243881827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1243881832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01mon4.html?_r=1 < 1243881833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we're aware of American names for things too < 1243881845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the most irritating thing is that you call chips fries and crisps chips < 1243881874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm eating chips." "Mm, potato." "Yeah, I love potato. These are Bacon flavored." "...wait, what?" < 1243881897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? tax reasons!? < 1243881901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a Pringle is “made from potato flour in the sense that one cannot say that it is not made from potato flour, and the proportion of potato flour is significant being over 40 percent.”" < 1243881903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243881914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tax on different products is at different rates < 1243881915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean it is discountable, like for charities in US? < 1243881918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a good time to make a quote: < 1243881918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243881921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Why, according to Moore, is 'good' like 'yellow' and not like a 'horse'?]] < 1243881922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VAT < 1243881924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1243881926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most food is exempt, but crisps aren't. < 1243881927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243881930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, import duty < 1243881935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's VAT that matters here < 1243881939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did the tax go up or down now? < 1243881947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, the answer is that good and yellow are irreducible concepts while a horse is not. < 1243881950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: up < 1243881956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $160mil < 1243881957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the article < 1243881969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that when I needed to import some processors from the US, we had to prove they didn't have a calculator function < 1243881974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, says I must log in < 1243881976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a much lower import duty rate < 1243881981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: open in a different browser then < 1243881983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konq works fine < 1243881988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does that sometimes < 1243881990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... Didn't have a calculator function? < 1243881991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use bugmenot/bugmenot < 1243881991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm using konq < 1243881992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243881999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, that one may be disabled < 1243882001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look it up < 1243882005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well it isn't asking me to log in < 1243882013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it sometimes does < 1243882016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bait-'n-switch < 1243882017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com < 1243882022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: random, I wonder? < 1243882027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow at that bugmenot feature < 1243882027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: regisblows/whywhywhy < 1243882032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what feature? < 1243882034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243882034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bugmenot.com < 1243882037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the URL was an auto-login < 1243882041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using one of the bugmenot accounts < 1243882046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1243882049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't, it's just giving you the username/password pair < 1243882050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1243882056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know about bugmenot, and have used it on occasion) < 1243882060 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-075-182.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243882062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a firefox extension < 1243882064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although normally I just avoid websites with stupid login requirements) < 1243882069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you right click the user name field and hit bug me not < 1243882070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it submits the form < 1243882071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1243882076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe it doesn't like that I disable cookies... < 1243882080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He was even more dismissive of Procter & Gamble’s argument that to be taxable a product must contain enough potato to have the quality of “potatoness.” This “Aristotelian question” of whether a product has the “essence of potato,” he insisted, simply cannot be answered." < 1243882082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing to do with that, I imagine < 1243882088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since login doesn't work < 1243882093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: enable cookies, then < 1243882100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a pain < 1243882100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what affect disabling cookies would have on Phorm < 1243882105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect < 1243882110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: phorm use a complicated redirect scheme < 1243882112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cookies < 1243882115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just every page redirects to another < 1243882116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1243882118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which redirects to another < 1243882118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose next they'll start mentioning quales? < 1243882120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad infinitum < 1243882121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a complicated redirect scheme /and/ cookies < 1243882134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essence of potato < 1243882137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like vanilla essence < 1243882140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except yuk < 1243882153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's qualia, you uncultured swine. < 1243882171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[flu[ < 1243882173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1243882174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's retarded, you cultured bourgeoise. < 1243882192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your mom, proletarian. < 1243882216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The inverted spectrum thought experiment, originally developed by John Locke[6] invites us to imagine that we wake up one morning, and find that for some unknown reason all the colors in the world have been inverted. Furthermore, we discover that no physical changes have occurred in our brains or bodies that would explain this phenomenon. Supporters of the existence of qualia argue that, since we can imagine this happening without contradiction]] < 1243882220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a retarded argument < 1243882226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine a world where pigs fly without contradiction < 1243882232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it's true < 1243882279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... if all colours were inverted, how would we know they'd been inverted? < 1243882294 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-172.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243882296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because yesterday we saw something as red and now it's green etc? < 1243882302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought that'd be pretty obvious < 1243882308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are red and green defined, though? < 1243882308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grass outside being red would make it rather obvious < 1243882314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: qualia < 1243882315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via the qualia < 1243882317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia < 1243882321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you'd need to use a prism or something to actually measure it < 1243882322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the base of the whole argument < 1243882326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unmeasurable < 1243882329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about consciousness < 1243882337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, colour is measurable, so it's a bad analogy < 1243882347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cf colourblind people < 1243882353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can measure colour all they want < 1243882357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean they can perceive their qualia < 1243882375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone percieves colour differently anyway < 1243882390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure about that? < 1243882394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prove it :D < 1243882400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find that idea highly questionable < 1243882409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because nobody has identical cone pigments, nor connections from the retina to the brain < 1243882422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, you mean infinitesimally different < 1243882424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243882430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes it's more than infinitesimal < 1243882441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find pairs of people where it's infinitesimal, and pairs where it's quite large < 1243882448 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy the fact that a number of the anti-qualia people are well know, while the pro-qualia people are /completely/ random nobodies < 1243882448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where the concept of red/brown colourblindness comes from < 1243882473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My view of consciousness is it's the byproduct of the brain's mechanical thought process < 1243882484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't explain what it actually *is*, but it explains what causes it. < 1243882516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also believe that "death" is relative; you a second ago is dead, but our consciousness tries very hard to give a continuous experience. Go fig) < 1243882541 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think consciousness is the brains ability to include amongst its data-to-process the current state of its data-to-process < 1243882561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I am talking about the subjective, personal experience of consciousness < 1243882563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not its effects < 1243882568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so am i. < 1243882574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that consciousnesses are created, destroyed or anything < 1243882587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just believe a conscio is a byproduct of our brain thinking < 1243882598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and consciousness is just the perceieved-as-continuous stream of conscios < 1243882605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that the experience of consciousness is precisely the experience of being aware of the fact that youre aware of what you're aware of. < 1243882616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing that you know what you know, etc. < 1243882641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right; I'm not saying what the consciousness actually is, your theory is compatible < 1243882647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying how I think it comes by < 1243882662 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well. < 1243882668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever read dennett? < 1243882677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness explained discusses some interesting things < 1243882680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dennett appears to be a quack :) < 1243882682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the cutaneous rabbit < 1243882693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dennett is far from a quack. < 1243882705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about that, I've heard some convincing arguments otherwise < 1243882721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never rely on others opinions of a person < 1243882728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not opinion < 1243882729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument < 1243882729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're often colored by misunderstanding or stupid. < 1243882739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument without two sides is opinion. < 1243882771 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless youve actually read dennett, or seen him talk, or whatever, then you dont know what dennett says. you know what people say he says. < 1243882784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase #3: logically-based dissection using original data from source. < 1243882786 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243882807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, a lot of what he says is not intuitive at all < 1243882822 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its almost entirely based on facts of cognitive science, not on hypothesizing. < 1243882836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really should read some of his stuff, if only to know what he himself is saying. < 1243882882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same argument i should read every quack physics paper that has been dissected and disproved by people whose opinion I value to a degree < 1243882888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hey, they might just be right!112eleventy < 1243882909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1243882928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, daniel dennett is not a quack, and is probably one of the most important philosophers of mind today. < 1243882929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243882942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important != not a quack < 1243882946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but < 1243882951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of important, popular people who are complete quacks. < 1243882965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also, do you realise you're being a hypocrite? < 1243882966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important DOES mean that you should give him some reading < 1243882971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't rely on someone's opinion of another" < 1243882976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"daniel dennett is not a quack" < 1243882989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: shit, I have to read everyone who's important's work? < 1243882992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain might melt < 1243882994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243883003 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but youre saying hes a quack without knowing what he says < 1243883024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i mentally blocked the quotes from him in what I've read about him, then? < 1243883028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive that I still understood < 1243883060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what precisely did you find quackish < 1243883073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall, surely you've realised that my memory is terrible? < 1243883081 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're so sure you know what hes said, what did you find to be quacking < 1243883085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://law.onecle.com/california/civil/3548.html < 1243883101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not even a requirement < 1243883103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1243883105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that voids the law < 1243883112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an axiom that the law has been obeyed < 1243883118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: quite a few of the other rules around there are interesting too < 1243883118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we judge the illegality of an action by the law < 1243883124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it says that the law has been obeyed, < 1243883131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think there's a loophole, it just means that at least one action hasn't been illegal < 1243883131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is ever guilty of the California Civil Code < 1243883133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1243883135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o? < 1243883137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243883138 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1243883141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, imagine: < 1243883146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a person steals, this law has been disobeyed. < 1243883147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, is it even possible to "break" civil law? < 1243883152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealing is criminal < 1243883157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1243883160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just using an example < 1243883161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no civil laws. < 1243883165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just civil law. < 1243883171 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres nothing to break. < 1243883197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually understand civil law too much < 1243883227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :civil law is just a bunch of people in the community think you're a jerk so you have to pay. < 1243883229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1243883230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things happen according to the ordinary course of nature and < 1243883231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ordinary habits of life. < 1243883232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing continues to exist as long as is usual with things of < 1243883234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nature. < 1243883239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this code talking about < 1243883241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've seen many of those < 1243883255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an explanation in there somewhere, I think < 1243883257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not a very good one < 1243883261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where one of two innocent persons must suffer by the act of a < 1243883262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third, he, by whose negligence it happened, must be the sufferer. < 1243883265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a collection of proverbs! < 1243883277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 < 1243883277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpretation which gives effect is preferred to one < 1243883278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes void. < 1243883283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this law has been obeyed" is effectively void < 1243883289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1243883293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say that it means it's been obeyed once < 1243883298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, at least, much more void than "it has been obeyed in this case" < 1243883318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would so love it if some lawyers tried to use those rules to throw out a civil case < 1243883326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I think they're sufficiently self-contradictory that that wouldn't work < 1243883344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Time does not confirm a void act.]] < 1243883346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK < 1243883358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is cubic. 4-day harmonious rotation does not interfere. < 1243883365 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243883365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Superfluity does not vitiate.]] < 1243883369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha this is great < 1243883407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1*-1=1 is learned stupid. < 1243883415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posts the same link in ##nomic < 1243883466 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conscio is such a nice word < 1243883477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever heard of MacBug? < 1243883478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder it's conscios or consci? < 1243883490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1243883491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacBUG - Macarthur Bicycle Users group redirect to http ... < 1243883492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bushwalking and social club based in the Macarthur District of NSW. Includes photos, news, tips, safety and events. < 1243883499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that one < 1243883502 0 :impomatic!n=John@217.171.129.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one < 1243883512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, A system level debugger from Apple. Useful even if you didn't debug on Pre OS X < 1243883524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1243883528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Heh. < 1243883533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was useful for normal users, because it made some crashes manage without reboot < 1243883538 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it called macbugs? < 1243883540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could kill the relevant app. Sometimes < 1243883548 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1243883549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why did you pick out what's presumably an early Google result and assume it was correct, when it obviously wasn't? < 1243883550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacsBug < 1243883550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1243883552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, ^ < 1243883555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked < 1243883558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what AnMaster's supposed to do in response to you < 1243883559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: hi < 1243883560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in macbug atm < 1243883562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was the first one, and no others referenced anything in particular < 1243883572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what he said was thoroughly unhelpful < 1243883572 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any new techniques for BF Joust over the last three days? I've been away. < 1243883575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macsbug < 1243883579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally when he does it, it's on the same page < 1243883589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macsbug returns a result < 1243883591 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah just remembered that there was some strange s in there i always forgot < 1243883591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: not really < 1243883593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacsBug is an acronym for Motorola Advanced Computer Systems Debugger < 1243883594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243883594 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried programming in the language of Tierra? < 1243883595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heap rules have changed, though < 1243883602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, not odd I typoed it < 1243883604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243883605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defend6/7 are winning < 1243883610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I haven't resubmit them < 1243883612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hc all says the heap of finder is corrupted < 1243883613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243883615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, everyone's using [-] nowadays < 1243883622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only way to handle that is to reboot < 1243883641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enters rs and hits enter < 1243883652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need him < 1243883657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in true apple style it has menus < 1243883669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which work with built in mouse, but not usb ones connected < 1243883670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1243883677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1243883686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for a logic question < 1243883687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rs is "unmount and reboot" < 1243883689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243883696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to REISUB earlier < 1243883706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE crashed, nothing was working but the mouse pointer < 1243883707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I get nostalgic over this old ibook today < 1243883717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remmeber it was your fault ehird. But I don't remember why < 1243883718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even control-alt-f1 (even after SysRq-R) or control-alt-backspace < 1243883719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243883723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although reisub itself seemed to work fin < 1243883724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine < 1243883736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: large resolution for 12" screen < 1243883743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243883744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243883744 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write a small efficient Tierra self-replicating program by hand. < 1243883746 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm down to 22 instructions and 143 cycles. < 1243883747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800x600 indeed < 1243883755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I upgraded it to 9.2.2 now < 1243883766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stick linux on it < 1243883770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always nice to have a computer < 1243883776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have booted it with gentoo once < 1243883777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1243883784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only keep it for some old mac games < 1243883789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: compilation time would be prohibitive for gentoo < 1243883790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old ibook I mean < 1243883796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah. < 1243883810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would have to distcc to a cross toolchain on my pc < 1243883817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or... use a binary distro < 1243883832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just compile a cross-toolchain from scratch? < 1243883835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have gcc source, don't you? < 1243883838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway that would be defeating the point. < 1243883839 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243883842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know what distcc is? < 1243883844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, .. you missed the point did you? < 1243883850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't* < 1243883855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, I can guess but I might have guessed wrong < 1243883859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you did < 1243883861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the google < 1243883864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243883869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loss < 1243883883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's in your interest that I know what you're talking about, then you can tell me < 1243883889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't, then we both have more important things to do < 1243883890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1243883896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it allows spreading compiles over several computers. < 1243883908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, interesting < 1243883911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, please don't feed his hate of using the web < 1243883914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you think it was? < 1243883915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about make -jn? could it be modified to do that? < 1243883916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tiring < 1243883925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm with ais523 here. Since I share this hate. < 1243883933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luddites < 1243883934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the whole point of it... < 1243883939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the Web is one of the most annoying and least useful parts of the Internet < 1243883945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just people keep putting things there for some reason < 1243883959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it this way: aren't you really annoyed when you phone someone and get an automated system? < 1243883965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where do you think wikipedia belongs. Gopher < 1243883966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243883971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, would you rather have Google at the other end of the phone, or AnMaster? < 1243883974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember good old NORTON Utilities. From before it was Symantec? < 1243883986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I have no idea how ehird would answer that question < 1243883989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: broken analogy < 1243883995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: agreed < 1243883996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web is not like phoning up an automated system < 1243883997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a good question < 1243883999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my answer is mu < 1243884000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243884006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and no, it isn't; but it is if you use a search engine < 1243884007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, considering how much I argue with AnMaster, Google < 1243884011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not < 1243884045 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243884059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit Cmd-Q to quit app. Get: "PowerPC unmapped memory exception at 3E217A40" in MacsBug < 1243884061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls < 1243884075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243884081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :es to kill app worked < 1243884100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100dpi is Not Enough - Thursday 1 July, 2004" < 1243884102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for some MPW! < 1243884109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person numbers all his years by subtracting 10 from them. < 1243884116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact. < 1243884189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: MPW's "worksheet" is a mix between a shell and the "*scratch*" buffer in emacs... < 1243884193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1243884201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1243884204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs *scratch* is a shell < 1243884206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elisp shell < 1243884207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the *scratch* buffer in emacs is a mix between a shell and the *scratch* buffer in Emacs < 1243884210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try (+ 2 2)C-j < 1243884223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWGGGGGGGG < 1243884230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah. < 1243884241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that funny < 1243884242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1243884251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be true /and/ funny < 1243884324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here tried the new Google Wave thing, btw? < 1243884336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descriptions remind me of some sort of ridiculously overcomplicated gobby < 1243884344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Google owns your data not you < 1243884348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may have the wrong end of the stick < 1243884350 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243884353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not that < 1243884372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like gobby with IM client features that does any kind of data, not just text < 1243884379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, it's federated + open protocol < 1243884380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jabber < 1243884383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run your own google wave server < 1243884390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and communicate with people on other servers, including google's official one < 1243884401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do a google wave communication completely bypassing google < 1243884404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243884411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the idea of people seeing what I type as I type it, so I wouldn't use it as IM < 1243884415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for collaboration, it could be interesting < 1243884429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of Google Docs in that case < 1243884429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : has anyone here tried the new Google Wave thing, btw? <-- what is it < 1243884432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just generalised < 1243884435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i just told you... < 1243884437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read conversation? < 1243884440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird just explained < 1243884441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243884445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is WORSE than googling ;P < 1243884447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's google docs, but with name tags, essentially < 1243884453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243884458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you want me to psychically tell you? < 1243884461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and distributedness < 1243884466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bad idea, really < 1243884476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.waveprotocol.org/draft-protocol-spec < 1243884477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's one of those things where the amount of hype annoys me < 1243884481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit incomplete < 1243884486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tech media is bunk < 1243884486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's only a few millialphas < 1243884492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1243884502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read convo now < 1243884505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convo* < 1243884507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243884513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right first time around < 1243884514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1243884517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1243884522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *reads < 1243884532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still trying to recover from the shock of someone in 2004 saying that 100dpi is low resolution < 1243884554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and trying to futz with values to figure out what their 150dpi screen was) < 1243884603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 @ 15" < 1243884605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 150dpi < 1243884610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be that, must be bigger < 1243884625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048x1152 @ 19" is only 123dpi < 1243884655 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what DPI do you use, anyway? < 1243884658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 a 15"? < 1243884667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm trying to figure out what this 150dpi screen in 2004 was < 1243884668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just silly. < 1243884678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Mmkay. < 1243884680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: This iMac has a 20" @ 16something x 1050. < 1243884682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100dpi < 1243884687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it 15"? < 1243884696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going for a 94-96dpi screen for my new box, due to ubiquityness. < 1243884697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no idea < 1243884705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 2004, 30" displays were the hugest there ever was < 1243884710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing 1x-2x < 1243884722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a 150dpi 50" display would have to be a gazillion x a bajillion < 1243884724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that still pretty much the hugest there is? :-P < 1243884725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1243884726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*30" < 1243884730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, yeh < 1243884746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2560x1600 @ 20" = 150dpi < 1243884752 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 1920x1200 @ 15.4 Dell Inspiron 6000 < 1243884767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: SAME PPI CALCULATOR BUDDIES < 1243884767 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(147 dpi) < 1243884771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hi5* < 1243884801 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I figured you were just guessing :) < 1243884812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: nope, I'm feeding values into it < 1243884850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I already run with Small Fonts on my 150ppi screen, and use 9pt for all my text editing." < 1243884857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my consolation is that this guy is probably blind by now < 1243884869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 characters per fucking inch < 1243884912 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: there should be one where you can put in a dpi and a screen size < 1243885121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives you the resolution < 1243885150 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE7739.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes. In doing so it produced a 12" Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes." < 1243885238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our logic is undeniable! < 1243885246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a 12" digestive biscuit < 1243885268 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I read that before too < 1243885278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom nom < 1243885280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tetha < 1243885289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe the topic will put people off answering my his :) < 1243885291 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings < 1243885301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: haven't seen your name around; you new? < 1243885322 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, learned about this channel earlier today and figured I'd take a look < 1243885334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1243885337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, um, I'd like to get this out of the way since it happens so often: we're about esoteric programming languages, not magic or witchcraft or anything of that sort < 1243885341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here for esolang discussion, or the jousting? < 1243885342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now we can all get on < 1243885357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, we do get people thinking that...) < 1243885359 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly hope this is about sligtly less usable languages :) < 1243885363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243885370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: It depends on your definition of "slightly". < 1243885370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly can be an understatement on occasiono < 1243885384 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal casino? < 1243885401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octal... casino. < 1243885406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a good idea if only I knew what it meant. < 1243885422 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... yes, malbolge is "slightly" unusable... sort of < 1243885428 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885442 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1243885453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: nonsense < 1243885454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-malbolge-995.html < 1243885459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it only took a few months to write too < 1243885476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all pretty straight forward, isn't it? < 1243885488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243885491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the squiggly bit there < 1243885496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the wave pattern there. < 1243885503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translates to "print out the 99 bottles of beer song". < 1243885503 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse, really < 1243885509 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be in Plain English. < 1243885510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ladies and gentlemen; Malbolge is an elaborate hoax. < 1243885512 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1243885512 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243885518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you decode its spec and understand its very nature of working... < 1243885525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an obfuscated HQ9+. < 1243885532 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243885536 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, now THAT would be difficult to understand < 1243885537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. Sagely. < 1243885539 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-plain-english-1056.html < 1243885553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis a real language < 1243885554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-plain-english-1056.html < 1243885581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain English is /awful/ < 1243885587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243885587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently intended seriously < 1243885588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly is < 1243885590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaking them even worse than us < 1243885591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1243885591 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"from __future__ import skynet" < 1243885595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where's oerjan when you need him < 1243885597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we've proved it TC, iirc < 1243885597 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1243885600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how does it compare to BancSTAR? < 1243885604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can loop < 1243885611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can BancSTAR < 1243885613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it's easier to program in < 1243885624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just get going— yeah, i've read the manual, hey, this is working < 1243885626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this < 1243885629 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I confused it with English (the esolang) < 1243885632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, a stupid restriction < 1243885638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, how do I do this < 1243885639 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243885641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit is THAT how that works? < 1243885644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap it doesn't extend to < 1243885647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh!!!! < 1243885654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ can also attest to this < 1243885664 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243885676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't help that the manual continually calls windows kludges and whores and generally harasses you < 1243885689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*windows a kludge and a whore < 1243885696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with ENGLISH, a (non-esoteric) SQL-like programming language used in the old Pick operating system." < 1243885700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so confusing it with that. < 1243885702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you've ever tried to program for Windows, you'll know the feeling < 1243885705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://esolangs.org/wiki/English) < 1243885708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't /quite/ as bad at that < 1243885782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... who was it here who was trying to write an esolang which was completely readable by a non-programmer, yet interpretable by an interp? < 1243885791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wanted to come up with the language first < 1243885795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The osmosian order? :P < 1243885799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write DeCSS in it (legal, according to US precedent) < 1243885803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243885807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write the interp (thus retroactively making the program illegal) < 1243885837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think the program would become illegal < 1243885841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was sufficiently english-like < 1243885846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban could help < 1243885847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting point < 1243885849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there's an interp? < 1243885857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can write an interpreter that interprets Macbeth < 1243885862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a DeCSS program < 1243885865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without hardcoding it in particular < 1243885868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make Macbeth illegal? No. < 1243885874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, intent is everything < 1243885874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's an interesting point < 1243885878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the interp then be illegal, I wonder? < 1243885883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might want to get someone to write decss and just suggest some quirks of language < 1243885884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you'd have to deliberately aim for deCSS < 1243885886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without telling them your plan < 1243885896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not neccessarily < 1243885899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all likelihood, yes < 1243885901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theoretically, no < 1243885906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double, double, toil and trouble < 1243885967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's BF Joust getting on? < 1243885983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get how a couple of my ancient programs are back at the top of the leaderboard, without me resubmitting < 1243885986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with all the rules changes < 1243885989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just feels weird < 1243886000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, someone has already devised a programming language for DeCSS. It has a DeCSS implemenation, but is not itself implemented... < 1243886017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it HQ9+-style? < 1243886028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's a C-like language. < 1243886034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if not, we should /so/ add a DeCSS command to HQ9+...) < 1243886045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yuh. < 1243886080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHIQRSX9++D < 1243886086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of all worlds. < 1243886106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he managed to put all the correct ones second <-- it did happen to be alphabetical order < 1243886113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P < 1243886125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, some people would disagree with you < 1243886132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I agree with you on the non-programming-related one < 1243886137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unpossible < 1243886140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I drank cola, I did prefer Pepsi to Coca-Cola < 1243886140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm objectively right, always < 1243886147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't drink it nowadays < 1243886170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: *reads <-- no. It was "has read" < 1243886177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/new-language.txt < 1243886179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "I read" would work < 1243886183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster read" doesn't really < 1243886187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243886190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster read works < 1243886190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1243886192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster read the convo now < 1243886193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1243886193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /me readed that convo < 1243886196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial to compile to C. < 1243886196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that < 1243886200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better? < 1243886202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243886203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... no < 1243886210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, really, sed would do it... < 1243886220 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243886221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going to write a compiler for that now < 1243886224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I am contrarian < 1243886240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You will retroactively make it illegal. < 1243886242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice work. < 1243886248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1243886255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make someone else retroactively do something illegal < 1243886257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that legal power < 1243886257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that was what it meant. Except in English it is "read" but pronounced as "red" in past. < 1243886265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributing it w/ knowledge of the compiler will become illegal, though < 1243886269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus what I wrote was correct as far as I can tell ehird < 1243886271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the fact is your sentence was invalid < 1243886279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[* AnMaster read the convo now]] - invalid, agreed? < 1243886281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least very awkward < 1243886283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah english really blue it < 1243886284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so.. "/me walked foo" < 1243886299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would have to be "/me walkeds foo" < 1243886301 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1243886303 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243886304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to your logic < 1243886305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...no < 1243886312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought the "readed" was a bit odd < 1243886359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, that is because it is "read" in past tense < 1243886388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: logic doesn't change what is valid about a language < 1243886389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it has to be "* AnMaster read the convo now". It is "AnMaster the convo now". < 1243886404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is invalid in it < 1243886409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads would be invalid < 1243886410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange you glad english spelling is so logical < 1243886432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would imply present tense < 1243886439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1243886453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it just is invalid < 1243886461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask psygnisfive if you want to know the linguistic reason, I don't < 1243886467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why. Is "AnMaster walked to the house now" invalid too? < 1243886473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a native speaker and I know that it's either incredibly awkward or invalid < 1243886486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes or no? < 1243886487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Step 1. Read past two messages. Step 2. Repeat until comprehension is achieved. < 1243886498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it invalid or not < 1243886501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line < 1243886501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think it's valid but incredibly awkward, the original < 1243886508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, for the new one < 1243886516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mixing past tense with an indication of the present < 1243886517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why is it awkward? < 1243886531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1243886536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the correct form is "I've read the convo now" < 1243886541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of hoping for a groaning yellow epic proportions here... < 1243886542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster read the" = "I read the" < 1243886549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and correctness needs I → I've < 1243886553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have read", not "read", makes it work better < 1243886562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's "have read by now", a sort of past version of the future perfect < 1243886568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah. < 1243886580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that was the intention < 1243886595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I was saying here was that ehird's "reads*" correction was not correct. < 1243886597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a perl compiler from DeCSSLanguage to C < 1243886599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only uses s/// < 1243886606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought you meant you were reading it now < 1243886615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was awkward, but not if you added an s < 1243886618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, If so I would have used "reads" < 1243886627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh come on, like you don't make trivial typos all the time < 1243886644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, it isn't my fault English writes it as "read" but pronounces it either as "read" or "red" < 1243886644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243886646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain thinks you making a trivial typo is more likely than you making a horribly warped sentence, and so assumed the former < 1243886650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................................... < 1243886654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it got to do with pronounciation < 1243886658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pronunciation < 1243886667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because the spelling is confusing in such cases < 1243886694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has been a verb that you added the standard "ed" to to make past tense it would have been harder to misunderstood < 1243886702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for if I had _said_ "red" < 1243886727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes I'm aware of those two "to", but as far as I can tell it is valid?) < 1243886746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's a better way of doing 'print func <>'? < 1243886750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for <> = whole input < 1243886754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go speak lojban < 1243886759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think you need the first "has" to be "had", though < 1243886773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah good point < 1243886800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't proof read IRC lines, but if I had I think I would have detected that had. < 1243886814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has* < 1243886818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely stands out if you read it aloud. < 1243886824 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it changed word class as we speak? < 1243886825 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1243886832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1243886907 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAWR < 1243886989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm? Had had been has you might have been correct (and I'm not sure about that "have"...) < 1243887019 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché < 1243887329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncivil disobedience: http://pastie.org/496882.txt?key=guczgfl0y62fnulv88jhg < 1243887379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the point of the original... < 1243887390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's US law related < 1243887402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to understand, you'll spend half an hour preaching to the choir about how it's stupid < 1243887425 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice quote < 1243887429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quot < 1243887430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243887436 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "Please do not write a compiler or interpreter for this language." lawl < 1243887456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what DeCSS is (breaking copy protection...) but why doesn't he want a compiler for that language? < 1243887468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because that makes the program illegal < 1243887491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he should have a human readable description of the algorithm instead. Would be safer. < 1243887501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the point entirely < 1243887524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is basically to make fun of DMCA. < 1243887560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has an email address < 1243887563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to email him that program < 1243887570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, store_char seems wrong < 1243887571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1243887576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i s/byte/char/ previously < 1243887580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tested the compilation < 1243887582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only main is missing < 1243887584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1243887588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a library out of it in one line < 1243887592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replace it before yeah < 1243887595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/new-language.txt | perl decsslang.pl | gcc -x c /dev/stdin < 1243887654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the :-) in the subject line offsets the anger of "Fuck you" < 1243887657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the code < 1243887662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1243887674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a bastard < 1243887686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to paste the reaction < 1243887694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1243887697 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good- < 1243887745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seemed irritated when I cared all about edge cases... < 1243887753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... whut < 1243887754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243887763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have been that before.? < 1243887770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you denying it? < 1243887771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1243887777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out any context at all < 1243887789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the context will happen later < 1243887801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you tell me what AnMaster is talking about? < 1243887809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, were you or were you not irritated when I started talking about edge cases before < 1243887812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell from his last line, he's replying to something I'll say in the future < 1243887821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both for cfunge, and for other stuff < 1243887822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1243887830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like new language ideas you had < 1243887835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes or no? < 1243887840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't answer questions without context. :) < 1243887851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is none < 1243887859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you answer it < 1243887861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 'tis a pointless question. < 1243887873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it could be argued that this "no such language" is such an edge case of the DMCA law anyway... < 1243887883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm saying I consider it so < 1243887886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1243887889 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.108.205.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243887893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did it for fun < 1243887897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so edge cases aren't important? ;P < 1243887898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the concept is legally valid < 1243887901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say there's so very much sickeningly wrong with the DMCA. < 1243887913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, agreed < 1243887926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1. Repeal DMCA. Step 2. Repeal patents. Step 3. Repeal copyright law. < 1243887939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Nevergetelectedeverneverforeverintheus Anonymous < 1243887945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-step program to not getting elected in the US. < 1243887946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html << this gave me creeps < 1243887956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Step 4. Create sane copyright law. Step 5. Create sane patent law. < 1243887973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, that stance will work. ... 50 years from now. < 1243887980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sane copyright law. Right. Also, go about making paint dry faster. < 1243887988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FURTHERMORE, any water caught being wet will be prosecuted. < 1243887989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... When the Pirate Party is completely and utterly done in Europe. < 1243888032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only part of copyright law that might be worth keeping in any form, is preventing someone taking your work and changing the name < 1243888032 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. that just sounds odd when directly translated from Swedish < 1243888035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me < 1243888037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Ah, The Last Question. One of my favorite Asimov short stories. < 1243888044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It is a bit of an odd name. < 1243888047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piratpartiet sounds nicer. < 1243888050 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1243888068 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: many things in swedish sound nice < 1243888075 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to hear that language < 1243888085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, that *is* the only enforcable bit. < 1243888097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, which one? < 1243888105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Pirate Party" < 1243888112 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: first impression: MULTIVAC -> google < 1243888114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OTOH the actual enforcing of it isn't very good and there's a ton of gray areas < 1243888122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html << this gave me creeps << tl;dr < 1243888123 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last impression: AC -> God < 1243888137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC = Singularity, more like. < 1243888141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243888143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather rubbish singularity though, letting us die out like that. < 1243888144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1243888148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "exiting time" whatever that means. < 1243888148 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more suitable name < 1243888155 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in God < 1243888158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm.. men är det inte "piratpartiet"? < 1243888159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't give a damn about the Universe existing if everyone's kicked the bucket :) < 1243888162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, piratpartiet < 1243888166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243888168 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jo < 1243888174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you saying it sounds odd? < 1243888176 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party < 1243888184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that sweden's progressing politically faster than others < 1243888186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "party" the relevant translation of a political party? < 1243888187 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sounds odd in English < 1243888191 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is < 1243888196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why odd < 1243888201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see it -_- < 1243888203 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still find it odd, I'm used to the swedish wording, all right? < 1243888207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243888214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it in english before :P < 1243888223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Doesn't sound odd to me. < 1243888247 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're not natively Swedish speaking < 1243888249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forward to having Pirates in office. < 1243888253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, last I heard Piratpartiet was the 4th largest party. < 1243888255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's third. < 1243888256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato. < 1243888259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'm natively English speaking. < 1243888267 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I'm not < 1243888269 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is my point < 1243888280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm...? < 1243888293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. It's estimated that it'll get a couple seats in EU Parliament. < 1243888294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Piratpartiet have the third largest membership of any Swedish political party. < 1243888298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty kick-ass. < 1243888298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243888326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here's to election systems that aren't winner takes all) < 1243888331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it third in opinionsundersökningarna (wth is that in English?) for the EU election? < 1243888336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go Europeon elections! < 1243888342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euro peon < 1243888344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europeon < 1243888346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243888349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*European < 1243888352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words peon and peonage are derived from the Spanish peón (pe'on). It has a range of meanings but its primary usage is to describe labourers with little control over their employment conditions. < 1243888371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1243888375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243888376 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1243888380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Now categoricalish. < 1243888386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i like how the BNP are on the european election ballot. made me think for a second :) < 1243888408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: British Nationalist? < 1243888408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1243888411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1243888421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically nazis < 1243888429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and naturally hate the EU with a fiery passion < 1243888438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Approximately 8% of the Swedish population will vote Pirate, according to polls... < 1243888447 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They just want to destroy it from the inside! < 1243888447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. Source? < 1243888453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as 6% or so last time < 1243888470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dn.se/fordjupning/europa2009/piratpartiet-far-tva-mandat-i-ny-matning-1.879371 < 1243888484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read claim from Wikipedia, since I don't speak Swedish) < 1243888485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the best part of the BNP is UKIP (UK Independence Party). They claim they're the only party that wants to leave the EU (hem hem BNP don't count hrrrr) and opposes immigration and blah BUT DON'T BE SWAYED BY EXTREMISTS! Don't vote for a "racist party" that stands for our racist ideals (hem hem bnp HACK COUGH)! Vote for us! < 1243888503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"far tva mandat i ny matning" < 1243888506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see... < 1243888507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FÖRDJUPNING. < 1243888508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: UKIP != BNP < 1243888510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that logo looks awesome < 1243888511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know < 1243888514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: read my message again < 1243888517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, "brilliant" < 1243888520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that the best thing about the BNP is UKIP < 1243888524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok < 1243888525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"travels 'tva' places in new feeding" < 1243888527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1243888544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FÖRDJUPNING. = RECESS. < 1243888545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"receives two places in new measurement" < 1243888548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez googol < 1243888557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. That may be one meaning < 1243888559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not common < 1243888567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Call me ignorant about their views, but... Isn't the EU damned good for all involved? < 1243888569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to properly translate < 1243888576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "deeper studies"? < 1243888579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1243888581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. The BNP/UKIP are crazy right wingers. < 1243888590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BNP descends from the National Front. < 1243888596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GBP is stronger than the Euro. < 1243888616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: founder of the BNP once said: < 1243888620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mein Kampf is my bible." < 1243888622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see what I mean? < 1243888622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Which is part of why the UK isn't part of the Euro Zone. < 1243888624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah. < 1243888630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243888633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "INDEPTH." < 1243888633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, so they're the national socialists. < 1243888638 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but the EU isn't exactly happy about that :P < 1243888646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that could work. But yes it has several possible translations < 1243888647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah < 1243888649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context. < 1243888653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: They do permit it, but... Yeah. < 1243888660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not really < 1243888664 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ehird: IIRC, it's some loophole. < 1243888664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK negotiated an exception < 1243888667 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get famous some day, I'll say something in the lines of "The following statement is a lie. " < 1243888670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other countries used loopholes < 1243888673 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to see how much I get quoted for it < 1243888674 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243888676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the UK just voted themselves an exception < 1243888686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's something explicitly written in for the UK. < 1243888693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is why automatic translators suck in general. Because a one-to-one mapping usually doesn't work to create an idiomatic (or even correct) translation. < 1243888707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think denmark also has an exception, while sweden is loopy < 1243888712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Other countries in the EU without the Euro are claiming to not have an economy that could support it yet. < 1243888718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sweden don't use a loophole < 1243888724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the officially-sanctioned "our market is too tin" < 1243888725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1243888726 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did use the present perfect progressive tense; I just didn't do so in my announcement that I was doing so. < 1243888731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FÖRDJUPNING. → Recess | in-depth | bathtub < 1243888735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that _is_ their loophole < 1243888735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful :D < 1243888740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, No way about the latter one < 1243888741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1243888742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's not a loophole < 1243888744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's by design < 1243888747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard it meaning bathtub < 1243888749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, no, I'm sure about this. It's science. < 1243888757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It also means large green baby. < 1243888766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bathtub is "badkar" < 1243888771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And terrorist communist mutant. < 1243888776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And jumping on top of Fords. < 1243888783 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bad car is "basthub" < 1243888795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243888807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be fun? < 1243888820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone on the planet apart from one person swapped the meanings of yes/no suddenly one day < 1243888821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fördjupning probably doesn't mean ALL the meanings that recess has even < 1243888825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some of them < 1243888828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, we can vote for the most hated person in the world < 1243888830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do it to them < 1243888839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which ones? < 1243888859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google translate: "a small concavity" "an enclosure that is set back or indented" < 1243888867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other ones listed in the first group < 1243888877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243888899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not make that one person swap instead? < 1243888899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so now you know why translating back and forth with google nevers ends up at the same text < 1243888905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes to the same thing, but is much less annoying < 1243888908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to replace books, etc < 1243888916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how? you'd have to convince them to. the idea is to make them go insane < 1243888926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I already knew why < 1243888929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are easier ways < 1243888936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1243888953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This tie has not been shown. The prosecutor must show that Carl Lundström personally has interacted with the user King Kong, who may very well be found in the jungles of Cambodia..." —Pirate Bay trial < 1243888966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chewbacca! < 1243888968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, isn't correct machine translation a strong AI problem iirc? < 1243888968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the King Kong defence was great < 1243888976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Comprehending things in general is. < 1243888981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And translation is comprehending then restating. < 1243888981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the Chewbacca defence, in that it generally makes sense < 1243888991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reminds me of it, though < 1243888994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still great, though. < 1243888996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1243889002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so why does google even TRY < 1243889004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's incredibly useful < 1243889013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in general it is gibberish < 1243889017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read news articles with it before < 1243889018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ask MULTIVAC < 1243889018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no < 1243889019 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so translation is compilation < 1243889019 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::f < 1243889021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because Google wants strong AI. < 1243889021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a native speaker, it's easy to understand < 1243889029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to fill in the gaps < 1243889031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, maybe "to English" works better than "to Swedish" < 1243889032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can very well get the gist < 1243889038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'cuz english is more common < 1243889043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To English works decently. < 1243889045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sadly so < 1243889057 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is that some laguages have more complex constructs and vocabulary than english < 1243889057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sadly? < 1243889058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly isn't correct English, but it at least gives you a clue. < 1243889064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is english any worse than swedish? < 1243889071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, It would be fun if it was YOU who had the problems with not being a native speaker instead of me. < 1243889072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the translator must deduce right words and cases from the context < 1243889075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243889082 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for this, culture is required < 1243889085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If I wanted to learn Swedish I would. < 1243889094 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i would really like is a tool that does only grammar parsing of the text and word translations < 1243889101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You would still not manage it as well as a native speaker < 1243889109 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that are both things that machines can do < 1243889113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant, if I learned Swedish I would have your problems. < 1243889121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: no, grammatical parsing is not perfect < 1243889121 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243889130 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i didn't say perfect < 1243889131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: sentences in spoken languages often aren't 100% grammatically correct < 1243889133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Parsing English is probably strong AI. < 1243889135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw machines can do anything) < 1243889136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I bet it would be harder than English. Since you have simple rules for when it is "a" and when it is "an". We don't have simple ones for "en" and "ett" iirc. < 1243889153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it is more like things being either "le" or "la" in French. < 1243889154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Now, doing that with *Lojban*? < 1243889156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy. < 1243889170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban's official grammar is written in yacc. but it's terribly arcane yacc < 1243889183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that the BF Joust leaderboard is pretty atm < 1243889186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Actually, Lojban's official grammar is written in BNF. < 1243889198 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok let me rephrase it... it's easier to get computesr to parse grammer than to get them to restate sentences in a different langauge < 1243889199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the defence programs are grouped in the middle < 1243889200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Real ganstas sip on yacc, you just generate a parser") < 1243889203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a big block of 0s < 1243889203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You sure? < 1243889204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why arcane yacc? < 1243889205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243889208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Yacc code they publish is generally thought to be equivalent, but the BNF is the official one. < 1243889208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just is < 1243889212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1243889214 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1243889214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I DON'T KNOW < 1243889221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DIDN'T WRITE IT < 1243889221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243889225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a link? < 1243889227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because it's old < 1243889229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentences may be ambiguous < 1243889230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.lojban.org/publications/formal-grammars/grammar.300 < 1243889248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not as arcane as I recall < 1243889258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed that nobody pickde up on my quote < 1243889287 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1243889328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" preparser will not lex the individual words per their normal selma'o; used to quote ungrammatical Lojban" < 1243889331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1243889341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"equivalent to the * or ? writing" < 1243889343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243889345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243889357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have special quotes for "free form" language or something? < 1243889369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you want to quote english/french/C/etc, there is syntax for that < 1243889374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243889379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between, e.g. in english < 1243889383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the source code comments in English btw < 1243889383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["dog" would work]] < 1243889388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["return 4;" would work]] < 1243889398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because most lojban speakers aren't fluent < 1243889405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is of interest to non-speakers too < 1243889419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's only ~3 fluent lojban speakers (can think & talk in lojban without mental translation) < 1243889430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243889432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large part of Lojban's interest is in AI research. < 1243889454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can actually think in both Swedish an English. I think in English when programming definitely < 1243889455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly easier to do language handling when you have a syntax. < 1243889461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a mix I guess < 1243889469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but do you think in swedish for a split second and then translate to english? < 1243889472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1243889475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't notice < 1243889480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not so that I notice it at least < 1243889493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how you could measure if I notice it or not < 1243889512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn Toki Pona. < 1243889516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but some stuff I definitely don't know what they are called in Swedish < 1243889520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to programming < 1243889529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's easy; an afternoon's work < 1243889533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF your brain is wired for it < 1243889534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had problems trying to translate to the Swedish terms when talking about programming in Swedish < 1243889538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to learn any new languages < 1243889540 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when programming i usually think in english too < 1243889544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can learn the terms, how to put it together, ... < 1243889549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my brain never adds a new language to my system < 1243889552 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because for many terms and expresions i don't even know the translations < 1243889554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243889562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, same as me then < 1243889573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi eblas lerni lingvojn. < 1243889573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243889574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what the correct term for "array" is in Swedish for example < 1243889577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, Toki Pona relies on saphir-whorf being strongly true < 1243889578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1243889587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I heard it though... was something extremely silly < 1243889590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes right < 1243889595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fält" iirc < 1243889600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds more like "field" < 1243889602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than array < 1243889611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely illogical IMO < 1243889617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only sounds < 1243889618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means more < 1243889623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'd assume Sonja knew that. Linguist and all. < 1243889627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope: < 1243889631 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i notice that i have real problems in german conversations about programming < 1243889633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find some quacky quotes < 1243889650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so yes I'm pretty sure I think in English when programming < 1243889668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but basically, the site says that it changes your thinking to be positive and shit < 1243889676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face palm. < 1243889681 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i want to say something and mid sentence i notice i just can't ... < 1243889694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament was one of the first toki pona people thingy and he says sonja is batshit insane :) < 1243889707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I just tried to translate what I wrote above to Swedish. Took about 10 seconds. If I had thought it in Swedish surely it would be easy to backtranslate it? < 1243889716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not necessarily < 1243889723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Sukoshi looking into it, as well. < 1243889726 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: I tend to just switch to english in that case (usually causing angry looks) < 1243889735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Okay, toki pona? Not worth it. < 1243889742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heck, I can express things in English I can't in Swedish and vice versa. < 1243889750 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: i often end up in an awfull mix of german and english < 1243889750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as a language it's nice though < 1243889755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you're probably fluent to a degree < 1243889803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not of course as fluent in English as I'm in Swedish. But for certain topics I'm probably more fluid in English yeah. Like programming. < 1243889807 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst part about learning a language is finding a place to use it a lot < 1243889839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato < 1243889843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I wouldn't know my way around an English kitchen. I know there are stuff like "spatulas" but I can't map them to the Swedish words, nor what they actually are. < 1243889845 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: that's true... i failed at learning french at school because i just didn't need it < 1243889856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wounders what "durkslag" is in English < 1243889858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coo lah too kah lah too < 1243889868 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually "spatulus" and/or "spatuli" < 1243889870 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION koffs < 1243889870 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243889873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a is long a < 1243889876 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while english was no problem because i was reading english texts, or rather grepped throught them for information i needed before i even started learning english at school... < 1243889878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that 10 times fast < 1243889884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato is probably a nice eodermdrome graph... < 1243889890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what would you call this: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Durchschlag.jpg < 1243889898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it "durkslag" < 1243889900 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when i started hanging around on irc i wrote a lot of english too < 1243889900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 TIMES FAST!!! < 1243889903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sieve < 1243889916 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that there are many days where i write more english than i talk german... < 1243889916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Easy, compared to some Esperanto tonguetwisters. < 1243889920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wikipedia thinks it is "colander" in English... Hm. < 1243889925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you fail or wikipedia fails < 1243889927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... tuka forms a cycle, t also connects to o, u and a both also connect to l < 1243889929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh right. < 1243889936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1243889937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gimme a pronunciation file, I'm having troubles pronouncing it < 1243889943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, just wrapping my tongue around 'scienco'. < 1243889948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: colander subset-of sieve < 1243889959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A colander (also known as a Cullender) is a type of sieve, used in cooking for separating liquids and solids. It is much like a strainer. It is conventionally made of a light metal, such as aluminium or thinly rolled stainless steel, although it is not uncommon for it to be made of plastic. A colander is pierced with a pattern of small holes (or slots in plastic colanders) that let the liquid drain through, but retain the solids inside. Colanders often t < 1243889961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ake the form of a large bowl with a built-in stand to allow water to drain out the bottom as well as the sides. < 1243889982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah. sieve translates to "såll" in Swedish iirc. And såll and durkslag are in Swedish both subsets of some unnamed superset. < 1243889987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243889995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a såll? < 1243890007 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sieve? < 1243890012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Såll < 1243890021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no en interwiki link < 1243890031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interwiki translates sieve to "sil" in Swedish < 1243890036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I would claim is a third type < 1243890058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you do make a pronunciation file, note that there's stress on the start of every syllable < 1243890059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1243890066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture there I would also call a sil < 1243890073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not total stress, that'd just be overpowering < 1243890075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1243890090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think this is a case of non-simple mappings between the languages < 1243890166 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"both subsets of some unnamed superset." < 1243890171 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming parallells <3 < 1243890172 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-123.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243890176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ... < 1243890179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no? < 1243890179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic parallels. < 1243890182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set theory maybe < 1243890183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1243890184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not programming. < 1243890185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm lots of redundancy. atotulukal. < 1243890189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: what is this that you're looking to do with linguisticy stuff? < 1243890190 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, oh well < 1243890194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question?? < 1243890195 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243890198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: words start with consonants and end with vowels, always < 1243890199 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ehird, either one of you. < 1243890212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a consonant is always followed by a vowel < 1243890213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, err? < 1243890215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvcvcvcv < 1243890218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1243890235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: latotuluka then < 1243890250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: pronounce kulatukalato into an audial file, gimme. koo lah too kah lah too, a is long a. small stress on the start of every syllable, no other stress < 1243890275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lah toh too loo kah < 1243890290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "long a" is meaningless to me, and "stress on the start of every syllable" but no other stress is also meaningless < 1243890297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: a as in father < 1243890302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fine, if it's meaningless ignore it :) < 1243890304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stress is a contrastive thing. you cannot stress every syllable because then there is no stress at all. < 1243890309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duh < 1243890311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1243890319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to express the concept :P < 1243890327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consonants are pronounced a little bit more strongly than the vowels < 1243890329 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, stress is a property of syllables as a whole, not parts of syllables < 1243890331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no stress < 1243890337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thar < 1243890341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little bit more strongly pronounced? < 1243890344 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what this means. < 1243890348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh, forget it < 1243890350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no stress" < 1243890355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does this word mean < 1243890359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from which language is it < 1243890368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing concrete, and I just made it up < 1243890378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds nice, and it's the compound of two words < 1243890380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kula and tukalato < 1243890384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I bet Deewiant could manage that nicely < 1243890386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i presume when you write "koo lah too kah lah too" you mean the "oo"s to be as in the english word "too" < 1243890387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1243890390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yep < 1243890390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it looks like .fi to me < 1243890390 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1243890392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so phonetically, [kulatukalatu] < 1243890420 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243890446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: wait, no < 1243890452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have said it wrong < 1243890453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1243890469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulatukalato, koo lah too kah lah toh < 1243890475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is oh, u is oo < 1243890481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is as in father < 1243890499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i presume that you dont intend genuine english phonology whereby you get aspiration and t-tapping < 1243890508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely not! < 1243890511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243890517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to keep the pronunciation as simple as possible :P < 1243890524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it you're trying to do now? < 1243890529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: beats me < 1243890538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this word for? :P < 1243890546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :existing! < 1243890547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very .fi, yes. < 1243890560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, .fi is an inspiration because it sounds so nice :) < 1243890574 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this word is plausible for so many world languages its not funny < 1243890585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawaiian, for instance, is i think uniformly CV < 1243890607 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm anyone ever tried to make a language (spoken, not programming) that has a minmal set of words? < 1243890619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243890621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so get to pronouncing it! :P < 1243890621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic English < 1243890624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Toki Pona. < 1243890643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you pronounce it? < 1243890657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ehird, you want me to record myself saying it? < 1243890657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1243890666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, Esperanto phoneme-grapheme mapping. < 1243890673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i presume that you dont intend genuine english phonology whereby you get aspiration and t-tapping <-- ? < 1243890673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Of course, it's trivial :-P < 1243890676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1243890680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not to me! < 1243890681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah, 'cuz I keep tripping over it :) < 1243890715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, pronunciation is trivial as long as you can do the individual sounds < 1243890719 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: english cannot pronounce /kulatukalato/ as [kulatukalato] because of the phonology of the language < 1243890723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not fast enough < 1243890759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1243890777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can pronounce each sound individually, but when you try and run them together into a word you trip, is my experience < 1243890785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english, word-initial and stressed-syllable-initial stops like k and t become aspirated, and syllable-initial intervocalic /t/ turns into something roughly like an /r/ < 1243890830 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, english doesnt have pure [o], it has a diphthong, and english stress patterns disallow uniform stress on this word as well < 1243890852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IME that only happens with tongue-twisty phrases < 1243890854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: damn, english really hates this word < 1243890858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: your < 1243890862 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most natural stress pattern for me is 'ku.la.tu.ka.,la.to < 1243890862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1243890863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish < 1243890866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pronounce anything < 1243890867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, hm < 1243890868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1243890873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ku has primary stress and la has secondary stress < 1243890899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, IMO kulatukalato IS tongue-twisty < 1243890913 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, english often reduces unstressed vowels < 1243890934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not IMO :-P < 1243890965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nah. < 1243890968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i get it down to otukatula < 1243890974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, brain-twisty? < 1243890976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just be because I've got a bit of experience with Japanese, though. < 1243890987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, natural pronunciation of this word would not be [kulatukalato] in english but rather ['kʰu:lətukə,la:ɾoʊ] < 1243890989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did you mean AnMaster? < 1243890993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm minimal eodermdroming is probably related to eulerian graphs... < 1243890996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1243890998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no he didn't < 1243891008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's probably related to something < 1243891014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see what he is replying to < 1243891015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, there'd be secondary stress on tu as well < 1243891015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1243891016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eulerian graphs seems likely < 1243891018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: is this the only language in the world where you can just put the word in brackets to get the IPA? :P < 1243891020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ['kʰu:lətʰu:kə,la:ɾoʊ] < 1243891027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to figure out which edges to double < 1243891034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you mean? < 1243891042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: kulatukalato → [kulatukalato] < 1243891049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what language? < 1243891055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one kulatukalato is in < 1243891068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for my program it was easy because most of the graphs were trees, you just need to find the two farthest points < 1243891069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well, it depends a lot on your font, actually < 1243891071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243891091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, " SO, natural pronunciation of this word would not be [kulatukalato] in english but rather ['kʰu:lətukə,la:ɾoʊ]" <-- is that k rased to the power of h? < 1243891100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, k^h means aspirated k < 1243891108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: English pronunciation not only sounds but also looks ugly, I see < 1243891110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's a language that is written soley in the subset of IPA that describes its phonemes. < 1243891110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you manage that < 1243891119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243891124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the normal k sound? < 1243891132 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: your native language surely is similar. < 1243891133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define normal k sound < 1243891134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal English k < 1243891137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: finnish < 1243891144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gray area I'd imagine < 1243891151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster, what do you mean normal k sound? < 1243891164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does Toki pona... < 1243891174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I haven't actually seen pretty much any of that extended IPA (I even forget what it's called) so I can't say < 1243891176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ehird: what i mean is, the font im using has "a" as a simple lowercase "cursive" a < 1243891185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243891186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the IPA symbol for the english a < 1243891188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/graph/path/ < 1243891196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spanish a is denoted in ipa with the times-new-roman kind of a < 1243891202 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the little tail over its head < 1243891218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font doesnt distinguish them, nor do most people in writing, but ipa does < 1243891218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are code points for all the variants, you don't have to rely on fonts :-P < 1243891220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on your font < 1243891247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['kʰu:lətʰu:kə,lɑ:ɾoʊ], to be certain. < 1243891269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: how's that recording going < 1243891270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: extended IPA? none of this is extended IPA. < 1243891274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hush you! < 1243891303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Isn't ʰ one of those things that's normally omitted < 1243891310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243891313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. < 1243891318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1243891319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems that bing is active already < 1243891322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and live.com already redirects there < 1243891322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspiration is a standard thing in many many world languages < 1243891352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bing.com/search?q=how+is+babby+formed&go=&form=QBLH&filt=all < 1243891356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks exactly like google. < 1243891358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has aspiration in certain contexts, but not the kind that distinguishes sounds, korean and hindi have phonemic aspiration < 1243891372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hindi and korean k^h is distinct from just k < 1243891431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I'm thinking of broad vs. narrow transcription < 1243891454 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but then you're delving into the realm of phonology < 1243891457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in norwegian aspiration and voicing is so tight together you could almost choose which of them you consider primary... < 1243891470 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broad transcriptions are broad on in that they're phonemically influenced < 1243891476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1243891490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: :| < 1243891513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are only distinguished according to what speakers of the language distinguish, with broad transcriptions... < 1243891523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i write [kæt] as a broad phonetic transcription of english "cat", you /understand/ that the k is aspirated, and im just being lazy. < 1243891578 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a tight, phonetic transcription, there's influence from phonology in how you're transcribing it < 1243891584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine, because in context you understand this < 1243891612 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when, for instance, you're doing research into the phonology of a language, especially an unfamiliar language, broad transcriptions are impossible < 1243891623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you dont know what sounds the speakers distinguish and what they dont < 1243891650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1243891661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're not sufficiently close to the acoustics/articulation, you might transcribe two words as [kæt], and the speakers can hear a difference but you're not noting it down < 1243891664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop kicking me < 1243891665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1243891668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine, keep kicking me < 1243891691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243891695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243891697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243891732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: RECORD IT AND I'LL KICK/UNKICK YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WISHES < 1243891736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1243891762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the recording, but im NOT GONNA SEND IT < 1243891764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYA NYA < 1243891778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks psygnisfive < 1243891783 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird does it wrong :( < 1243891787 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick psygnisfive < 1243891802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes D: < 1243891824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND < 1243891896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience, young padawan < 1243891926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/transfers/kulatukalato.wav < 1243891931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: gayness. < 1243891960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats with your even stress as well. < 1243891999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: in the strict pronunciation, the u is not oo enough < 1243892014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: What's the star in u̟ < 1243892023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately english "oo" is not [u] < 1243892025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever that blob there is < 1243892041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's ok, I can sacrifice strict IPAness because the u in your strict one sounds ugly :) < 1243892042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smooth < 1243892043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really more like [ʊu] or [ʊw] < 1243892057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer [ʊu] I think < 1243892079 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: the + under a symbol means "advanced tongue root", i believe < 1243892093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or it means "fronted" < 1243892105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_tongue_root it seems to be indeed < 1243892109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY FUCKING GOD < 1243892113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LucasArts today announced two Monkey Island projects in the works for the Xbox 360, Wii and PC. < 1243892113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting in just a few weeks, Telltale will première the Tales of Monkey Island; a game featuring a new epic storyline that will unfold in five monthly episodes on PC and WiiWare. < 1243892118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE < 1243892123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, fronted, sorry. < 1243892129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atr is with a left-tack < 1243892131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS MATHEMATICALLY IMPROVED THAT LUCASARTS WOULD NEVER MAKE A NEW MONKEY ISLAND GAME IN LIKE 2004 < 1243892142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy to the world \o/ < 1243892142 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 | < 1243892142 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 >\ < 1243892160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can't see the difference in my font :-P < 1243892166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243892167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you say that's a right-tack < 1243892172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATR is -| < 1243892177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTR is |- < 1243892184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "advanced"/"fronted" is + < 1243892204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD < 1243892206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON GILBERT IS INVOLVED < 1243892211 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1243892211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE *FUCK* < 1243892221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's what the English /u/ is IMO, not [u] < 1243892235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u_+? < 1243892251 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atr u? < 1243892257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More forward u < 1243892272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u_+ (using sampa, sice .. fuck ipa for now :p) < 1243892288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no, its not really actually. maybe in some dialects, i dont know < 1243892291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1243892305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in standard english /u/ is [Uu] or [Uw] < 1243892332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what < 1243892362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| \o/ |o/ \o| \o/ |o/ < 1243892363 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |   |   |   |   |   | < 1243892363 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\  |\  |\ /´\  |\ /´\ < 1243892373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: This just came to mind from when I tried to argue that Finnish 'kuu' /ku:/ and English 'moon' /mu:n/ have completely different /u/ sounds. < 1243892374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Fuck SAMPA, I've got functioning Unicode now. < 1243892394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not much of an argument since almost nobody here knows what 'kuu' is supposed to sound like, but anyway.) < 1243892395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: some dialects of english, some british ones i think, use [Iu] or [Iw] for /u/! < 1243892412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so do i, but in these fonts the diacritics are hard to see < 1243892431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Þy font ſucks. < 1243892445 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: sure they're different, english /u/ isnt [u] < 1243892457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: can you rerecord with pure ipa but the u being more oo < 1243892458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "suckeÞ" < 1243892461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: _I_ can see it, but im being a) lazy in typing, and b) kind to deewiant < 1243892471 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. < 1243892474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: o̘ o̙ < 1243892475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it yourself < 1243892476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ſuckeþ < 1243892482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Those both look pretty much identical here :-P < 1243892499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʃuckeθ < 1243892508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm. Sure enough, they do. Wow. < 1243892511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isnt "sucketh" at all but who cares :D < 1243892514 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1243892515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i can't say it < 1243892515 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: bc bct bfbignum chiqrsx9p choo dc echo google gregor hello num ook plot rot13 slashes yodawg < 1243892515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Quite, and I wanted to figure out what the correct narrow transcriptions would be and somewhat failed. < 1243892518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should up the points on this some day < 1243892518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the capital one looks _smaller_ < 1243892521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show bct < 1243892522 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf (sending via DCC) < 1243892524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that dialects matter. < 1243892535 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah, bitwise cyclic tag. < 1243892559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, capital eth? < 1243892565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ vs þ you mean? < 1243892569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243892584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because capital letters in english never have descenders or ascenders and so are fixed to line height < 1243892595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'spose < 1243892597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while lowercase eth has a descender and so is line-height + descender height < 1243892607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should obtain a microphone. < 1243892619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: might i recommend a logitech usb microphone. < 1243892624 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a good mic. < 1243892626 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you might not! < 1243892630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Step one: Car-jack someone to get to Radio Shack ... < 1243892633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you also might, and you did. < 1243892659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Radio shack? Never been to a country where it operates, I don't think :-P < 1243892665 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky you. < 1243892678 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once went in there and left after they told me they only sold Windows cable. < 1243892680 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio shack can be pretty cool < 1243892680 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243892681 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once went in there and left after they told me they only sold Windows cables. < 1243892689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1243892695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows-only USB cable < 1243892699 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the ones that have lots of electronic hardware and stuff you can meddle with < 1243892714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cables and housing and switches and all sorts of stuff < 1243892716 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Those still exist? < 1243892720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It appears that logitech makes quite a bit of microphones < 1243892740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well, yes and no. all the radioshacks like that are really only like that in the very far back where hardly anyone ever goes. < 1243892748 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you were talking about the "USB Desktop Microphone", which'd set me back 22 €. < 1243892753 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1243892763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adk, unpacking. < 1243892767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively I could get a "Dialog 320" for 7 €. < 1243892774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me if you're talking to me. < 1243892792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not knowing anything about microphones really helps here. < 1243892806 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if I find things out I'll probably end up wanting a 200 € one. < 1243892864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im skeptical of expensive mics < 1243892868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine sounds great < 1243892876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you only need an expensive mic for audio work < 1243892879 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243892882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ive heard wonderful sound out of simple phones < 1243892882 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours looks expensive from where I'm standing :-P < 1243892886 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont know < 1243892898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are reading "Return to Dark Castle", a choose-your-own adventure. You read about your character seeing a path to the dark castle! The book informs you that to run away, you must turn to page 63, and to enter the castle, you must turn to page 22. < 1243892898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To turn to page 63, turn to page 35. To turn to page 22, turn to page 3. < 1243892910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Below that there are 9 mics, above it there are 2 before the prices start hitting 50 € and up < 1243892914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by expensive i mean like < 1243892924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by expensive i mean like £800 mics < 1243892924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know jack about the differences between any of these. < 1243892932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything over £40 < 1243892938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :D < 1243892972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! HOW IS YOUR BANANA < 1243892977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1243892980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY BANANA < 1243892982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN < 1243892983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAPEFRUIT < 1243893037 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.323 < 1243893039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My spoon is too big. < 1243893049 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM A BANANA < 1243893049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My spoon is too big! < 1243893051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [insert whole of Rejected] < 1243893055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY'S OVER < 1243893058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE GO HOME < 1243893062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to watch that again < 1243893066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tentatively preörders the new monkey island < 1243893076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like I am a child again! wait. < 1243893107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou art? < 1243893146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creätes odd pronoünciätiöns by adding diäresis everywhere that he can. < 1243893175 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: s/pronounciation/pronunciation/ < 1243893178 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how to pronounce "non" < 1243893184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pre-order < 1243893187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ preörder < 1243893202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deëwiänt: Shut up. < 1243893205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eo isn't a diphtong :P < 1243893209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243893210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know that. I just am having some fun. < 1243893217 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diphthong" < 1243893246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dip-thong < 1243893249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahah. Noün. < 1243893265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me smile. With gleë. < 1243893315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gleë is the weirdest yet < 1243893323 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleh-eh < 1243893324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weïrd. < 1243893327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that the reason english lacks diacritics is not because it has no use for them < 1243893330 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weh-ird < 1243893332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dude < 1243893337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know what the ¨ is for in english < 1243893338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: English does NOT lack diacritics. < 1243893339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd < 1243893340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has it dammit < 1243893342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because "gle" is somewhat unpronouncable < 1243893343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the contrary, english has over a dozen vowels, we could use some diacritics < 1243893344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love it < 1243893346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preëmptive < 1243893354 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be so nave. < 1243893355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Dude, we're in the middle of a conversatiön aboüt English diäcritics. < 1243893365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but you're wrong, english has no diacritics in standard usage :P < 1243893374 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How the hell do you pronounce "conversatee-on" P < 1243893374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ doesn't really count < 1243893375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1243893383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in use. Just not the norm. < 1243893386 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I always write nave. < 1243893386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because noone really uses it in normal orthography < 1243893395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even when people do, its precisely in that word < 1243893399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: naîve? < 1243893399 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve < 1243893400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Fine, then. Rôle? < 1243893400 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: conversayshee-on < 1243893414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now granted, english might borrow the diacritics from other languages < 1243893416 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats one thing < 1243893426 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: None of the examples we've given are borrowed. < 1243893433 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean real proper diacritics, not just orthographic holdovers from borrowings. < 1243893438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I gave one. < 1243893441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, GregorR-L naive is borrowed. < 1243893443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rôle. < 1243893444 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HOW DARE OYU < 1243893452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know this word rôle < 1243893465 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A role (sometimes spelled rôle as in French) or a social role is a set of connected behaviors, rights and obligations as conceptualized by actors in a social situation. It is an expected behavior in a given individual social status and social position. It is vital to both functionalist and interactionist understandings of society." < 1243893468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORROWING < 1243893469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving along < 1243893471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOÜ! < 1243893477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve hails from French naïf < 1243893500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haïls, yoü meän? < 1243893507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't. < 1243893514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason english lacks diacritics is because the printed orthography was designed back in the 1400s or whatever by a guy who was trained by the dutch printmakers < 1243893517 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So yeah, if you want a mega-cheap microphone, the site I linked is goody :P < 1243893522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutch, ofcourse, lacks diacritics as well < 1243893531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: For Middle English, no less. < 1243893542 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: That's because Dutch is English pronounced with a funny accent. < 1243893546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we get out diacriticlessness from dutch diacriticlessness < 1243893550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: god isnt it < 1243893554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goöd. < 1243893557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FORGET west frisian < 1243893568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :west frisian has very english-like phonology < 1243893584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Yeah, but again I have no idea if they're any good or not :-P < 1243893584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, west frisian is, aside from the daughter languages, the closest relative of english < 1243893599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get random-ass mics here as well < 1243893602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, other than Scots etc. < 1243893606 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The reviews on that page are uncensored. If a product is crap, the reviews will SAY its crap. < 1243893615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english and the frisian languages form a language group called Anglo-Frisian < 1243893648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GregorR-L doesn't know how to pronounce "noün" <-- try a peter sellers impression < 1243893671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up West Frisian. < 1243893673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ehird, are you able to locate dialects? < 1243893677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243893681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1243893692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i gave you an audio sample you couldnt be like < 1243893693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck. It's like English that went through a different vowel shift. < 1243893702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's not so much 'is it crap' as it is 'how does it compare to non-random offerings'. < 1243893708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh hes from leeds" or whatever? < 1243893722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its like english that didnt go though a vowel shift at all. < 1243893760 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread butter and green cheese is good english and good frees :D < 1243893780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well maybe cockney i could detect < 1243893786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1243893787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243893788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Nah, it seems to have had a few vowels shifted. < 1243893796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a *few* vowels, not a Great Vowel Shift. < 1243893801 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noün" -> "no-youun"? < 1243893801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dialect im curious about is charles stross's < 1243893806 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pronounced) < 1243893814 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I horribly wrong? < 1243893833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stross pronounces /iɹ/ as /ɛ:/ which is very interesting < 1243893851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "year" is like "yearn" minus the n for him < 1243893868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for mean "year" is "ear" with a y at the front < 1243893886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the vowel in "year" is shorter than in "ear" for me < 1243893890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise I pronounce much like you < 1243893902 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it might be shorted, thats fine < 1243893907 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :length isnt important < 1243893911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the quality that is < 1243893934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what SHE said < 1243893947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps he, in your case < 1243893967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says you're a fag < 1243893987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with him on that. < 1243893994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/levarburton?hreflang=en < 1243894002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or does levar burton look weird without the visor < 1243894014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the weight hes put on, ofcourse. < 1243894422 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing a bfjoust debugger in javascript < 1243894438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: I was planning to do that, but never got around to it; so you'll likely do better than me < 1243894439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Swt. < 1243894453 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall we all race? :P < 1243894466 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have a working ruby prototype for this one < 1243894469 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lacks UI < 1243894476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy the fact that i can completely fuck up vowels, turning /Or\/ into /eIr\/ or something < 1243894485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all it does is make it sound irish < 1243894486 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243894486 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i noticed that with javascript it would be easier to do a nice UI < 1243894487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an esolang-related anecdote about monkey island: one of the staff at the small company making it is on the esolang wiki < 1243894500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1243894500 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wonders of phonology and dialect perception < 1243894502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1243894515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1243894524 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Whom! < 1243894528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: don't reacll < 1243894529 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is his language? < 1243894533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a beautiful thing, the phonological mapping < 1243894581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thong of booty! < 1243894601 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lawl < 1243894610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243894612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm wrong < 1243894622 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Perhaps your FACE is wrong. < 1243894692 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Nom nom nom < 1243894694 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>+.>>+.--.<-.>+.+.--.<.>+.+.--.>-. [309] < 1243895107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Avast, ye scurvy sea-dogs and welcome to the motley crew of the good ship Pre-Order. I'll wager you've got booty on your mangy minds and we here at Telltale don't aim to disappoint you on that score. So lend me your pox-ridden ears and I'll tell you a tale of king's ransom in ill-begotten goods and services that be setting sail in your direction even as we speak!" < 1243895165 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243895309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph.i really want to experiment with a programming language that has type-driven parsing. :| < 1243895493 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm this would be so much easier if there wasn't (...)*N and a bit easier if there wasn't (...{...}...)%N < 1243895508 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: YA I NO < 1243895538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds Western Frysian really interesting still < 1243895619 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243895630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Add an interpreter for Western Frysian to EgoBot. >_> :P < 1243895656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm not about to do natural language parsing. < 1243895674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about adding an English language, which just asks in #IRP and waits for the answer? < 1243895687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even something that understands Western Frisian would be stunning. :p < 1243895706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why not? natural language parsing is fun :D < 1243895722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That reminds me. I should paste some code from CAL in #irp. :p < 1243895733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not now, though < 1243895734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language syntax is such a pain in the ass, man < 1243895735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go home < 1243895735 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnatural language processing is easier though < 1243895756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243895904 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243896049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I found the single most evil Osmosian line. < 1243896070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The osmosian font source is a hex string equal to ' ... Cue hundreds of lines of hex. < 1243896208 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243896260 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSMOOOOOSIAN! < 1243896596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp swedish sh chef | xargs echo < 1243896596 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter swedish installed. < 1243896603 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Now I can speak Swedish! < 1243896605 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noo I cun speek Svedeesh! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896656 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243896658 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Oh yeah? < 1243896659 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeeh? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896662 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp godblessamerica sh dubya | xargs echo < 1243896662 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish derp derp < 1243896663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter godblessamerica installed. < 1243896663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp derp < 1243896672 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!godblessamerica I can also speak American. < 1243896673 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also speak American. < 1243896676 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243896680 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Oh yeah pinch my nipples < 1243896681 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeeh peench my neepples < 1243896686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt < 1243896690 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But needs more bork < 1243896708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it :P < 1243896755 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish a e i o u < 1243896756 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i i oo u < 1243896777 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish bork bork bork < 1243896777 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burk bork bork < 1243896796 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Something swedish < 1243896796 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumetheeng svedeesh < 1243896804 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Sumetheeng svedeesh < 1243896804 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soomezeeeng sfedeesh < 1243896811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Soomezeeeng sfedeesh < 1243896812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suumezeeeng sffedeesh < 1243896812 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish En riktig svensk mening då? < 1243896813 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp brit sh cockney | xargs echo < 1243896813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :En reektig sfensk meneeng då? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter brit installed. < 1243896820 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Hello, world! < 1243896821 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option < 1243896824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1243896838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Suumezeeeng sffedeesh < 1243896838 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooomezeeeng sffffedeesh < 1243896850 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Soooomezeeeng sffffedeesh < 1243896851 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuumezeeeng sffffffffedeesh < 1243896856 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfffffffffffffffffffff < 1243896863 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck pronouncing that < 1243896871 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Hello, world! < 1243896872 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Allo, world! Right! < 1243896971 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Hey AnMaster, we can understand each other now! < 1243896972 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey UnMester, ve-a cun understund iech oozeer noo! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243896981 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243896986 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester < 1243897009 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say things < 1243897010 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it has those wierd angles? whats wrong with you! :) < 1243897019 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish it has those wierd angles? whats wrong with you! :) < 1243897020 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hes thuse-a veeerd ungles? vhets vrung veet yuoo! :) < 1243897025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly why "good luck"? < 1243897032 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sfffffffffffffffff" < 1243897037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somezeng sfedeesh is perfectly fine in english. < 1243897051 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :di eggduche < 1243897069 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More, fungot < 1243897069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh really? let's see your sources then, hate her or love her songs!! he sounds like they're attempting to), this movie < 1243897071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sf" is a perfectly acceptable consonant cluster in english. < 1243897084 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some good command-line chatbots? < 1243897089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern, learning ones. < 1243897091 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, say something that would be hilarious in swedish < 1243897249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does fungot use? < 1243897250 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: first no? ::p a cool one in it < 1243897256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:35 pikhq: ais523: That reminds me. I should paste some code from CAL in #irp. :p < 1243897258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAL? rings a bell < 1243897386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:56 GregorR-L: !swedish Hey AnMaster, we can understand each other now! < 1243897386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:56 EgoBot: Hey UnMester, ve-a cun understund iech oozeer noo! Bork Bork Bork! < 1243897389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so not british english < 1243897394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: can commands interact with irc? < 1243897399 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1243897407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wait, define "interact" < 1243897414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: can they join another channel, say something, then look at responses < 1243897422 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not easily :P < 1243897748 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243897818 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, one cannot just download the kooky-bot < 1243897905 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243898101 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: ? < 1243898133 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: kooky is a chatterbot based on markov chains. it's pretty hilarious with very large sets of data < 1243898152 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeding the entire #esoteric log into MegaHAL. < 1243898168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1243898169 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1243898172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: boring < 1243898174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot already does it < 1243898174 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm glad to see a face in the nalts household) it has to do with anything? < 1243898177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close enough < 1243898185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: and we've had dedicated markov bots before < 1243898188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also optbot < 1243898219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah I know, but I want to add something to EgoBot and I can't think of anything else to do :P < 1243898270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeäh, I can seë how that'd be hard to think of. < 1243898301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: [[^irp Say "Hello".]] → EgoBot in #irp says [[Say "EGOBOT48572", then a space, followed by the results of the following: Say "Hello".]], waits for response with that unique ticket for, say, 30 minutes, then gives back the reply or timeout < 1243898321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggested basically that before < 1243898327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus my question about commands interacting with IRC) < 1243898339 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's dumb :P < 1243898349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: why? < 1243898352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an IRP interpreter! < 1243898384 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your FACE. < 1243898409 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRP interpreter, or dumb? < 1243898418 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both 8-D < 1243898458 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling evul today :\ < 1243898464 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, yesterday < 1243898491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing really < 1243898513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: Yeah I know, but I want to add something to EgoBot and I can't think of anything else to do :P < 1243898516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243898516 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1243898519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243898524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good work < 1243898526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen is the only general command? :D < 1243898528 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:21:31] same thing really < 1243898530 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me < 1243898532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243898536 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were refering to the time < 1243898538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I couldn't think of anywhere to put it :P < 1243898547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is !bf_txtgen general < 1243898552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1243898554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be! < 1243898555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243898560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: language < 1243898562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1243898564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new section: utilities < 1243898568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ^ < 1243898573 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For only one utility? < 1243898579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Why not! < 1243898586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Write me three more utilities :P < 1243898592 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything needs a utility-box for stuff that is too hard to put somewhere meaningful < 1243898614 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is #IRP full of people not present here < 1243898616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Add scramble/unscramble from fungot in there < 1243898616 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what s the name of the accident you're talking about there ex husbands. < 1243898622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: The uncultured swine. < 1243898630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swines < 1243898632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swini < 1243898650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble eggs < 1243898651 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egsg < 1243898658 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble egsg < 1243898659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs < 1243898673 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble some stuff < 1243898673 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sm tffuseo < 1243898674 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ffff < 1243898674 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1243898686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ffff < 1243898686 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1243898686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243898688 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1243898691 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243898717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: < 1243898719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1243898719 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble < 1243898721 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1243898725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble < 1243898725 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac < 1243898727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac < 1243898728 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble unscramble < 1243898731 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uenlsbcmra < 1243898733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show uenlsbcmra < 1243898734 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterp scramble bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898734 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1243898738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: UTILITY < 1243898739 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp scramble bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1243898740 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter scramble installed. < 1243898741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not userinterp :P < 1243898750 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Such a waste of effort to do it that way :P < 1243898755 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add combinator logic on strings, such that CIMLHello World outputs some mess :) < 1243898759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Make userinterps categorizable < 1243898770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp scramble < 1243898771 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter scramble deleted. < 1243898805 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add the ability to send input to userinterps. < 1243898810 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those that have some kind of delimiter) < 1243898821 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure how :P < 1243898841 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243899095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: simply append the delimiter... < 1243899111 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that's not the difficult part. < 1243899127 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Figuring out how I want users to tell EgoBot that is the hard part. < 1243899144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that was what i was answering < 1243899154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply append the delimiter < 1243899158 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to what? < 1243899163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the solution to everything < 1243899165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the program < 1243899166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply append the delimiter < 1243899182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, include it < 1243899195 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !addinterp name language code < 1243899207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where does the delimiter go. Where does it /not/ go. < 1243899212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and code ends with the delimiter < 1243899219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well that just makes no sense. < 1243899228 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is EgoBot written in? < 1243899228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it makes sense < 1243899235 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Various. < 1243899239 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1243899239 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null < 1243899241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the main bot < 1243899248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bf, for example, that means you just cat together the code and the input < 1243899249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and shell < 1243899256 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1243899265 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking about input /to/ userinterps. < 1243899271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: is that paypal donation thing serious :P < 1243899280 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If you feel like donating it is ;) < 1243899287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1243899292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: how about 1 cent < 1243899312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just separate code and input with a null < 1243899325 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What about languages where null are legit code? < 1243899345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: you can't send a null over irc < 1243899346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's bunk < 1243899354 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can send a null over http < 1243899358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1243899370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those languages suck :P < 1243899372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, ew, nulls < 1243899390 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, coppro: Also, it would suck because it would be nice to use an interpreter as-written, many of which use '!' < 1243899394 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For e.g. BF) < 1243899400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt < 1243899407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: hm oh right, for adding input to userinterp programs you want to add the programs themselves as nested userinterps < 1243899416 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly < 1243899438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you do _that_, you just put the delimiter at the end of the code < 1243899466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when running the nested userinterp, you just concatenate the code with the input < 1243899472 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: oh btw it would be nice if the bfjoust report file wouldn't be overwritten until the new one is complete < 1243899477 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243899487 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one possible way would be: !addinterp name lang separator code separator input ? < 1243899512 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The userinterp is sent as an /argument/ to the real interp, the input to that is sent as ... well, input. The delimiter is not on the userinterp's code, it's on its input < 1243899533 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Bleh bleh bleh everybody's complained about that one, get on the bandwagon :P < 1243899544 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: haha didn't know < 1243899557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: nested userinterps need to use a different convention < 1243899723 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Let me illustrate with an example. I write a BF interpreter in BF. I save it as bf.bf. I run egobfi8 bf.bf. Putting a '!' at the end of bf.bf is totally useless, since the BF code is sent as input to egobfi8 bf.bf. However, what delimiter is necessary is a property of bf.bf. So it's necessary to provide with bf.bf the particular delimiter, but it actually goes as input. < 1243899756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What are you drying toa dd < 1243899758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to add < 1243899763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... i see < 1243899823 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Some way of specifying for userinterps what delimiter they use between code and input. < 1243899837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What? Why < 1243899843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense, I mean what? < 1243899846 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So you can write userinterps in userinterps. < 1243899858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and has anyone ever wanted to do this? < 1243899867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet :P < 1243899871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Just add a delimiter argument to addinterp < 1243899882 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But it can't just be part of !addinterp, since not all userinterps have any such delimiter. < 1243899906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: add a special value < 1243899910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"none" < 1243899911 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:38:06] I suppose one possible way would be: !addinterp name lang separator code separator input ? < 1243899925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that. < 1243899925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: !addinput lang separator code, you mean. < 1243899927 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the separator could be defined for each new interpreter < 1243899930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*addinterp < 1243899935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: !addinterp name lang separator code, you mean. < 1243899935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1243899942 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I suppose < 1243899942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp name2 name none blah < 1243899943 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter name does not exist! < 1243899945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!name2 butt < 1243899949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243899960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang name 'separator' name < 1243899961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1243899962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang name 'separator' name2 < 1243899963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1243899988 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom nom nom. < 1243900075 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bob < 1243900076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbo < 1243900082 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ab < 1243900082 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab < 1243900086 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1243900125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcde < 1243900125 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acedb < 1243900144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm: < 1243900149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write letter, write next letter, move to middle. < 1243900156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse: take letter, take end letter, append to result. < 1243900158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbbb < 1243900159 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbbb < 1243900173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbba < 1243900173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ababb < 1243900183 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble abcdefg < 1243900183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbfced < 1243900190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 0123456789 < 1243900190 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0246897531 < 1243900206 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, the unscramble one < 1243900208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbib < 1243900208 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbib < 1243900230 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the VG ("quite good") exercise on a test a previous class had < 1243900239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Really? < 1243900240 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But.. in Java < 1243900244 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1243900249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "invented" scramble a year or two ago. < 1243900256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unscramble just being its decoder. < 1243900264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very elegant method. < 1243900277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it repeats itself ... after length factorial iterations, I think. oerjan? < 1243900280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it more subtle than that < 1243900302 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1,2,3,4,5,6 blir 1,6,2,5,3,4 oberoende på ursprungsordningen" < 1243900312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the swedish, it should be pretty clear anyways < 1243900320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243900352 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really nervous for my programming test tomorrow :D < 1243900356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some factor of length factorial < 1243900375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some sequence in the integer encyclopedia < 1243900417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbers fit, although it wasn't immediately obvious why the definition should... < 1243900427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243900443 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just copied the example, with a more elaborate description above it < 1243900494 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, ah, nvm < 1243900598 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, the highest grade exercise for the same test is: Create a class representing a dice, it's constructor taking the amount of sides as a parameter. Create a method to throw this dice a number of times, returning an int array of it's results." < 1243900612 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, and we have 100 minutes to do it < 1243900720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Trivial. < 1243900734 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed :P < 1243900757 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually considering doing the exercise we get in both Java and some esolang, if it's as trivial as that < 1243900797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: And writing the esolang interpreter in Java, of course :P < 1243900805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow that's trivial < 1243900813 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if I have the time for it, GregorR < 1243900815 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-L < 1243900815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's die < 1243900816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dice < 1243900819 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243900824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefg < 1243900825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegfdb < 1243900848 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ^scramble < 1243900848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cabelmrs < 1243900868 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ^cabelmrs < 1243900869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble < 1243900869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Die; attr_accessor :sides; def initialize(sides); @sides = sides; end; def roll(n); (1..n).map {random n + 1}; end end < 1243900871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*end end < 1243900877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbdbbd < 1243900877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243900878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbdbdb < 1243900880 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it doesn't listen to itself < 1243900885 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure, so I guess I should've written dic?e < 1243900892 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble !swedish butt < 1243900892 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wds uttbhies < 1243900904 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble !wds uttbhies < 1243900905 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish butt < 1243900905 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boott < 1243900909 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243900923 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish ^scramble < 1243900923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scremble-a < 1243900927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: add a compose command like lambdabot: < 1243900929 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it no works < 1243900932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c d e < 1243900933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243900935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!b c d e < 1243900938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, < 1243900940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!a < 1243900943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could combine like so: < 1243900951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a compose b compose c d input < 1243900959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, name it . < 1243900965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. a . b . c d input < 1243900966 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. a . b < 1243900967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243900967 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1243900970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!d input < 1243900972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c result < 1243900973 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1243900974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!b result < 1243900977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!a result < 1243900983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and print the result of a only < 1243900990 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, EgoBot, not yet < 1243901006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: So, yeah < 1243901007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243901584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abboblob < 1243901584 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abboblob < 1243901670 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abacaba < 1243901671 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaabcb < 1243901674 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1243901674 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1243901696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... 540p is HD? You're an HD person, so tell me. < 1243901706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 540p is ED. < 1243901715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamespot says it's HD :P < 1243901723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamespot is full of shit. < 1243901800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble occacaaac < 1243901801 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occacaaac < 1243901873 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ooccoo < 1243901873 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocooco < 1243902039 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to sleep, good night < 1243902047 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentlemen and bots < 1243902057 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243902375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1243902432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243902439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't understand, what would compose do? < 1243902449 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pikhq: Hulu says 480p is HD. < 1243902457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Allow me to explain. < 1243902463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c... < 1243902467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where c... means freeform text w/ spaces etc < 1243902468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Which is bullshit. < 1243902471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Now, this is like the following: < 1243902474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !b c < 1243902477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result < 1243902480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !a result < 1243902482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result2 < 1243902483 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243902485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1243902487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c < 1243902489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would print result2 < 1243902491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: If 480p is HD, then most DVDs are HD. < 1243902496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: For example. < 1243902505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose scramble bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1243902510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be the same as !scramble Hello, world! < 1243902517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: If you name compose ., it's more convenient to nest: < 1243902531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. scramble . underload bf ,[.,]!(Hello, world!)S < 1243902533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geddit? < 1243902582 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I getsit. < 1243902589 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now though, I has shuff to do. < 1243902593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar < 1243902598 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's gd, I lieks lawl < 1243902633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1243902635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1243902669 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish That is good and I find it to be a genuinely good idea. < 1243902670 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thet is guud und I feend it tu be-a a genooeenely guud idea. Bork Bork Bork! < 1243902681 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother's girlfriend has what appears to be a dead usb drive (computers aren't recognizing it when it's inserted); might any of you dudes have suggestions for data recovery? < 1243902729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: Your brother is just too embarrassed to tell you he has ED, so he's trying to be coy. His "USB drive" is "dead". < 1243902736 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1243902737 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb flash drive, that is < 1243903405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: usb "flash" drive < 1243903406 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1243903411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "drive" he uses for flashing people < 1243903648 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah < 1243903652 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppy drive, hard disk, etc. lols < 1243903656 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1243903663 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i referred her to a local data recovery place < 1243903678 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like there's anything I can do, other than try to take it apart and resolder connections < 1243903683 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm sure they can do better than I can < 1243904030 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243904447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1243904720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243905041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoe gaat het met je? < 1243905086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243906449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243907657 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909274 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909331 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243909538 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909538 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909574 0 :comex!i=comex@ool-457c3cbb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909574 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909585 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909605 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-82-69.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@71-35-114-236.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909608 0 :myndzi!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@mothball.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909635 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243909756 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243910030 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910222 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910448 0 :bsmntbombdood__!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910489 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1243911375 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243911607 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243911664 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243912737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243913183 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243915363 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243915527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1243916896 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243917572 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1243919746 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920222 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920686 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920686 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920687 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920688 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243920789 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1243920943 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-075-182.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920955 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@s1.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921038 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Killed by reynolds.freenode.net (Nick collision) < 1243921039 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921039 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921039 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921045 0 :kerlo_!n=ihope@s1.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921082 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243921169 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243921438 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921663 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting conversation going on here. < 1243921843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243922421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netsplits, they kills us < 1243922775 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243923430 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should look up names of people that haven't logged in to #esoteric for years and hunt them down :P < 1243923956 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time on dalnet < 1243923965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in ... 99? or so < 1243923971 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in this channel with some dudes < 1243923977 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got sucked into mudding and neglected irc, when i came back they were gone < 1243923980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moved to efnet i guess) < 1243923986 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 5-6 years later < 1243923996 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone messaged me up with a quote from that time, asking if i was the same myndzi < 1243923997 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243924011 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue nostalgia trip < 1243924122 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was back when ehird was, what, 5 years old, ehird? he was probably in here bitching about shit too. < 1243924146 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1243924149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah monads blah blah blah bfjoust blah blah blah < 1243924154 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick dropped in that time < 1243924155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever. < 1243924162 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a time before that too < 1243924165 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only goes back to 2000 :( < 1243924726 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: did you take the quiz to find out which circle of hell you belong to? < 1243924729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : once upon a time on dalnet | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1243924736 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Uh, no? < 1243924787 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(malbolge) < 1243924800 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's malebolge tho, right? < 1243925021 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=202157420226 < 1243925158 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, GregorR is on Facebook. < 1243925191 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to send him a friend salutation, and he's going to deny it because he's not going to know who I am. < 1243925205 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a salutation. A solicity. < 1243925225 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a solicity. A solicitude. < 1243925533 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243926077 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1243926086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I don't do FaceBook apps. < 1243926097 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely suffer FaceBook at all. < 1243926111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads monads monads monads monads bfjoust monads < 1243926167 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Imperative imperative imperative imperative fyb imperative. < 1243926474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1243926876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda, the ultimate sex toy. < 1243926913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kappa, the penultimate. < 1243928337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad BFJOUST BFJOUST < 1243928470 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1243928698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm stuck below native resolution on an old backup gfx card < 1243928716 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish AnMaster: What happened to your primary card? < 1243928717 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester: Vhet heppened tu yuoor preemery cerd? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243928718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so be aware of that I'm rather irritated < 1243928774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x1024 on 1400x1050 isn't pretty. Trust me < 1243928804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, fan broke. Going to get the fan replaced today. < 1243928822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't trust himself to to that, thus going to leave it to pros. < 1243928853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish AnMaster: Sounds expensive. < 1243928854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester: Suoonds ixpenseefe-a. Bork Bork Bork! < 1243928906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I can't read that !swedish one < 1243928908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243928912 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither can anybody :P < 1243928930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, and 450 SEK for both new fan AND replacement of it. < 1243928934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show swedish < 1243928934 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh chef | xargs echo < 1243928937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243928938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243928951 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google 450 sek in USD < 1243928952 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=450+sek+in+USD < 1243928966 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not cheap. < 1243929016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, the card is an AGP based GeForce 7600 GS < 1243929042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old card I'm using now? < 1243929047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is some ATI shit < 1243929064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) < 1243929066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that < 1243929076 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1243929081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so low end it doesn't even have a fan! < 1243929089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just a rather small heatsink < 1243929139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wish this screen could scale < 1243929152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could get a high res part in the middle instead < 1243929158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that on some laptops for some reason < 1243929189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't find any such feature in the menus on this monitor < 1243929599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243929600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243930797 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243930805 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243932030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243932084 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243932173 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243933123 0 :Slereah!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243934125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1243934127 0 :calamari-!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243934159 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243934789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish meatballs < 1243934790 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meetbells < 1243934821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish meetbells < 1243934822 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meetbells < 1243934995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Swedish < 1243934996 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svedeesh < 1243935020 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ This is how Americans think that Swedish people talk. < 1243935051 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish über < 1243935052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :über < 1243936248 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish hello < 1243936248 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellu < 1243936403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243936403 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243936455 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243936455 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243936855 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243937218 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243937284 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243937817 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243939068 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243940450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, Americans are wrong? < 1243940497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet, Swedish doesn't have ü... < 1243940502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet, that is German < 1243940559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, and I can't figure out why it thinks "ball" would turn into "bell"... Rather it might turn into "båll" < 1243940588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that English a sound there is somewhere between our a sound and our å sound. < 1243940620 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Go to youtube.com and type "Swedish Chef", and you will understand :P < 1243940635 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not understand, but at least see X-P < 1243940680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that < 1243940706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to me it sounds nothing like how a Swede bad at English would talk < 1243940755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are sounds in English that aren't in Swedish (and vice versa) but that "chef" one didn't get those right. < 1243940759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that it's actually a hyper-extreme version of the accents of some areas of Minnesota, where Swedes immigrated and their accent later mixed and warped with the American one. < 1243940773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION challenges GregorR-L to pronounce "sju" < 1243940782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sound not found in English. Or most other languages < 1243940822 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's all silliness, and has no bearing on real Swedish people, who to be honest in my experience are taught English from such a young age that they sound mostly like some mix of American and British English accents when speaking English :P < 1243940860 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is "sju" just an "s" followed by "ju"? Or is there some sound we don't have that you can't spell? < 1243940889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɧ < 1243940891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the sound < 1243940900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_palatal-velar_fricative < 1243940930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, so no it isn't < 1243940942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sj turns into the ɧ sound < 1243940957 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Its place of articulation is disputed (see below)." Wow < 1243940970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and u isn't the English u btw < 1243940977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even the name "Voiceless palatal-velar fricative" isn't sufficient for me to reproduce it :P < 1243940991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I never needed a name to pronounce it! < 1243940996 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i just wanted to see how it handles < 1243941015 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, not having any other reference, and knowing in general what all those words mean, at least that gives me a hint. < 1243941032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, which is "I give up"? ;P < 1243941165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you crazy Swedes and your unique fricatives. < 1243941170 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we Americans have our schwer. < 1243941180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"schwer"? < 1243941182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1243941208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspell doesn't think that word exists < 1243941211 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'r' sound in "blur" when pronounced with an American accent. < 1243941216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then it is set to en-GB so :P) < 1243941227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, the "Texas r"? < 1243941249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, no? In the south they /don't/ have the schwer :P < 1243941256 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes they do, but less often. < 1243941289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, Western movie? Texas sound. They mess up lots of stuff < 1243941290 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243941297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including r and a < 1243941326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, btw about r sound: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_phonology#.2Fr.2F-realizations_and_the_retroflexes < 1243941333 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that you're describing an accent as "messing up lots of stuff" :P < 1243941341 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243941346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, compared to Oxford English yeah :P < 1243941370 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans have our own English. < 1243941375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with Oxford being in England :P < 1243941376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1243941392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I'm surprised there isn't any "New Oxford" :P < 1243941402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there is? < 1243941425 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere, but not of any significance. < 1243941432 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see schwer there. Schwer is a vowel, btw. < 1243941453 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schwa? < 1243941462 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwa is the non-r-colored variant, yes. < 1243941480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more accurately, schwer is the r-colored variant of schwa :P < 1243941493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I can't stand this 1280x1024 on 1400x1050 monitor thing.... So I'm going to be mostly afk < 1243941502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I get a headache from it < 1243941525 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's extreme. < 1243941541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, ? < 1243941561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, it is VGA too. Doesn't help. < 1243941566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA cable I mean < 1243941572 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahyuh < 1243941578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, ? < 1243941581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243941582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, ^ < 1243941590 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making an affirmative sound :P < 1243941609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, but with the nvidia card, and at native res, vga works just fine < 1243941614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is all the monitor has < 1243941652 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analog does not deserve the pariah status it's got. < 1243941659 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still pretty bad ^^ < 1243941690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, it is worse on this card for some reason < 1243941790 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vga on crt is fine < 1243941797 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vga on tft is often really bad < 1243941824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRT is an analog technology. < 1243941830 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243941838 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a very "duh" statement) < 1243941968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvi on crt! < 1243941969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243941975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need conversion in the monitor < 1243941997 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as would vga on tft < 1243942009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that is rather common < 1243942019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while dvi on crt... I never heard of it < 1243942028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, anyway vga on tft usually works fine < 1243942041 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well i guess with better tfts it's ok < 1243942055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, "Acer AL2017" is what I have < 1243942068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here it depends very much on the graphic card in use < 1243942072 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with the VGA settings on my monitor produces some awesome results < 1243942080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, oh? < 1243942096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome as in good or awesome as in spectacular? < 1243942114 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that great < 1243942163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, with spectacular I meant "spectacular like holding a magnet close to a CRT" kind of spectacular < 1243942224 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a shimmering horizontal sine wave, if I look at the right bitmap < 1243942236 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternating black/white in both directions) < 1243942293 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does with things on both VGA and DVI if I fill some of the white pixels with black, they look green and blue instead < 1243942300 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird things, that is < 1243942302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, I always had crystal clear results after one click on auto button displaying a black/white checker pattern with each square the size of 1 pixel < 1243942321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I never need to rerun auto unless I change the graphic card as I did now < 1243942378 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rarely perfect with my monitor, unfortunately, there's usually a blue-green-red gradient < 1243942473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, never had that issue < 1243942482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, are you sure you are using a shielded cable btw? < 1243942511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I never had such an issue with my previous Syncmaster 171B, which also was vga-only..) < 1243942621 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mine is a syncnovice < 1243942636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243942675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, but anyway good cable helps. Usually thicker cables are better. Probably due to the extra thickness being more shielding < 1243942679 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unshielded cable, but I thought that mostly prevented interference, or possibly ghosting? < 1243942690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not suggesting "monstercable" style here. Just good shielded cable < 1243942714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, strange are the ways of electromagnetism... < 1243944506 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Gee, you're not logged in. < 1243944615 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243945885 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243946677 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is PESOIX or PSOX widely used? < 1243947274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of "PESOIX" before < 1243947287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think PSOX is *widely* used at least < 1243947380 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PESOIX is the one mentioned in this page: http://jonripley.com/easel/ < 1243947390 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an extension to EsoAPI. < 1243947457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudens. < 1243947474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I put two graphics on the same level in LaTeX? < 1243947528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done that... Hm *tries to remember where and/or how* < 1243948284 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have designed this one: http://lifthrasiir.jottit.com/exe it is certainly duplicated effort, though. :S < 1243949239 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243949461 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243950135 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243950636 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243951145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, this would be mostly for BF I guess? < 1243951192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, because handling null bytes will be a PTIA in many esolangs. < 1243951194 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think so... well, with an exception of funge-98. < 1243951260 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's PTIA? < 1243951297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PITA = Pain in the Back (you can figure out what the last word should be yourself < 1243951298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1243951316 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1243951356 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give me actual example? i cannot imagine such one. < 1243951358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, also, doesn't null byte collide with how EOF is handled? That is: , returns 0 on EOF < 1243951375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about underload? Though that one doesn't have input... < 1243951397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be hard in Taxi too < 1243951402 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: byte-oriented I/O should sufficient, i think. < 1243951425 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not universal though < 1243951429 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as you pointed out) < 1243951441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, which several of esolangs lack. Some have printable char ones, some have whole string ones. and some lack IO at all of course < 1243951473 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1243951475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about this: Split the thing in two parts < 1243951482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One frontend, and one backend < 1243951490 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with proper mapping? < 1243951494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frontend could be replaced to fit the type of IO used < 1243951504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically just defines encoding scheme < 1243951514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backend implements the actual functions and calls < 1243951527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so frontend should be called "protocol" probably < 1243951531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "frontend" < 1243951543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, see what I mean? < 1243951561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if language can't output null bytes you can use a different protocol or such < 1243951562 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i'm considering now, but i have no idea about I/O based on printable character only. < 1243951603 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd be quite hard to find the good protocol for them. < 1243951613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I remember seeing some esolang that you couldn't print chars not in the source in, and where chars in source had to be printable (with exception of newline) < 1243951624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember name though... < 1243951653 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example, how about invocation sequence? PLEASEENABLEEXEVERSION0? :p) < 1243951680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, that would probably have to be defined by the protocol yes < 1243951693 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems too hard. < 1243951697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243951703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol would need to define: < 1243951711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :activation sequence < 1243951724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to call function. < 1243951734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding/decoding of function calls and their parameters < 1243951785 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how to retrieve the return value, of course. < 1243951793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1243951816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I guess that always using STDIO would be a good idea < 1243951837 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for function call? < 1243951847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for talking to process in general? < 1243951865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. Most langs that can talk with anything in any way have stdio < 1243951873 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's intended < 1243951875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that doesn't have stdio tends to lack, uh tcp and such too < 1243951888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would however be funny with an esolang with tcp but no stdio support < 1243951900 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I/O thingy are for doing arbitrary I/O with _only_ stdio. < 1243951912 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. remapping stdin/stdout to arbitrary source/sink) < 1243951942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yeah. Anyway parameters could have to be encoded as ASCII or whatever. < 1243951987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The open mode is ORed value of the following flags: <-- hm I guess that is ok if protocol part could read it as ascii and then convert to integer < 1243951993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1243952020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is leaving enough freedom for the the protocol module without making it too freeform and complex < 1243952027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I agree isn't easy to pull off < 1243952028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1243952112 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have to encode byte as integer followed by one space, like Funge "." command. < 1243952784 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: is #<$+1?=[4]<$+1?=[3] valid migol code? < 1243952876 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnoes... < 1243952894 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i extended the view of an array of 120000 items in firebug... :/ < 1243953012 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1243953063 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was invalid, thus general statement is form of TARGET{<[OP]VALUE}[?OP VALUE]. < 1243953079 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guess what? i'm trying to make migol interpreter.) < 1243955333 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243956805 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-127.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243957379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, AMD has 6 core chips now. < 1243957404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That means the uberrig has an additional 16 cores. :p < 1243957821 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: what language? C(++)? < 1243957828 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. < 1243958001 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, just be prepared that the specification is going to change a bit in the near future, regarding I/O < 1243958053 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: exactly what? i'm curious. < 1243958055 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how* < 1243958082 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how it's going to work < 1243958098 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember, I'll have to wait 'till MigoMipo gets online < 1243958149 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1243958219 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC hex numbering will be introduced (with x prefix, should be valid everywhere where decimal numbers are), and the syntax was something in the lines of &(number1)/(number2) < 1243958260 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where (number1) is a number related to a command (input, output), and (number2) is a pointer to an array of memory slots which the command may use < 1243958294 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. printing and supplying &id/3 (I don't remember the particular ID), would print the char at cell 3 < 1243958316 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I believe output will be manually flushed, although I'm not 100% certain < 1243958369 0 :mtd!n=martin@ops-13.xades.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243958369 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah. < 1243958480 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1<48,2<60,3<49,4<44,...,71<62,72<91,73<91,74<48,75<93,76<93,0<1,[0]>-,'<>,[[0]]>-,',>,0<$+1,#<$-5?<>[[0]],0<1,[[0]]>,0<$+1,#<$-2?<>[[0]] < 1243958484 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple quine. < 1243958514 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i recall the feeling of programming in kipple...) < 1243958561 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I was trying to create a quine in Migol, but never succeeded < 1243958572 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I don't really have much experience of quines < 1243958608 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really a working quine? :O add that to the wiki! < 1243958639 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! :p < 1243958647 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"..."? < 1243958679 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well, many quines have general structure; storing the data, printing that data twice in the different representation. < 1243958708 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this example, 1<48,...76<93 sets up the memory to contain the following code. < 1243958731 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243958757 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the following code prints the memory once in form of "addr doesn't give a good line wrap with the /// one < 1243961230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if this is very browser dependent < 1243961238 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-169.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243961302 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry for the incoherent URLs to the Migol interpreter, by the way < 1243961314 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to structure my stuff better < 1243961496 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243961512 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is that, for a "complete" platform, 3 things are needed: 1. Algorithms, 2.Data structures and 3. I/O. < 1243961526 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 2 can be done in Migol. Sort of. < 1243961554 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: hello. < 1243961559 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I/O is done, it should be possibly to write, for example, a HTTP server in Migol. < 1243961589 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, advanced I/O is missing in many, possibly most esolangs; they only provide standard input and output. < 1243961615 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, but advanced I/O makes it more interesting. < 1243961629 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that most esolangs lack it makes it even cooler. < 1243961651 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still believe we should keep a lighter version < 1243961659 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree on FireFly too. < 1243961679 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still find the idea with heavier I/O interesting, so it could be a separate version? < 1243961696 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I could have a Migol Standard Console Edition and a Migol Bloated Enterprise Edition. < 1243961702 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243961761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously all esolangs should have an FFI. < 1243961770 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: first thing i would suggest is replacing "value>" output statement with "[@] ::= "(" ")" | "[" "]" | epsilon. That obviously has a stack. < 1243966482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. English isn't context-free, but not for that reason... < 1243966510 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, English will always have its irregularities. < 1243966518 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: but you can have a stack that is linear with the length i think.... < 1243966520 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And incontextfreeities. < 1243966524 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in english) < 1243966534 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: not if you want people to understand you. < 1243966596 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: but that is a stupid restriction < 1243966612 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People being able to understand you? No, it's not. :-P < 1243966620 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can't formalize it in any sane way i'd say < 1243966632 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can formalize English in any sane way. < 1243966652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can. Just grab a Turing machine. < 1243966657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and go insane. < 1243966661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That helps a lot. < 1243966675 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making theories about it, on the other hand, is easy for both English and understanding of English. < 1243966680 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rings a Fibonacci bell. < 1243966690 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For loose definitions of "easy".) < 1243966729 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders English phrases with large stacks. < 1243966755 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about garden path sentences? < 1243966765 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders garden path sentences. < 1243966783 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "the old man the boat" < 1243966943 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The old man..." has multiple parsings, I guess, and you have to keep track of them. < 1243966988 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens up lynx and searches for garden path sentences. < 1243967010 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to Xubuntu"? I had no idea I was running that. < 1243967044 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the major problem is that english appears to be outside of DCFL < 1243967154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCFL? < 1243967169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243967171 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic context free languages < 1243967171 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens Wikipedia in Lynx and sees lots of "v o d o e". < 1243967179 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be parsed with a deterministic stack automaton < 1243967184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: I expanded it after hitting enter. < 1243967190 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1243967204 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-213.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243967326 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the only stack-expanding word that comes to mind is the 'that' of 'I want that you come'. < 1243967339 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION immediately realizes he's using 's instead of "s. < 1243967436 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this opens the doors for mayhem like "i want that you want that i want that you want that i come" < 1243967738 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243967791 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not nearly as stack-expanding as it could be. < 1243967803 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be treated linearly. < 1243968426 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-005.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243969135 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243969171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: N-buffalo sentences, though... < 1243969198 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also linear, I think. < 1243969212 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243969223 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo. I think. < 1243969234 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's not right, it's because I picked a non-linear way to expand. < 1243969252 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's not right, it's because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. < 1243969311 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for a definition! "Linear" might mean "either left-branching or right-branching", as opposed to both-ways-branching. < 1243969334 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck. Is there a regular expression that produces the N-buffalo sentences for all N? < 1243969350 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular expressions are totally linear. < 1243969397 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, regular expressions can parse halflife2? < 1243969432 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. Exponential decay is exponential, not linear. < 1243969609 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243970057 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243970363 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. IPA in lynx displays as SAMPA. < 1243970427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243970438 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Kirshenbaum. < 1243970543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: Whoa. < 1243970730 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the missing part of that sentence is "on Wikipedia". < 1243970755 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Congratulations to all who guessed correctly.) < 1243970832 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the ä sound, as in "Autistic law, Paw, walks tall." < 1243971354 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The saw caught the law." < 1243971372 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's O in Kirshenbaum. < 1243971373 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243971444 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA, it's a turned c. < 1243971552 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243971561 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD950F92A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973312 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973502 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-191.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heck. Is there a regular expression that produces the N-buffalo sentences for all N? < 1243973849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define the N-buffalo sentences for us? < 1243973914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles just in case < 1243974156 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo."? < 1243974181 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243974206 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{[buffalo from Buffalo] that [buffalo from Buffalo] [bully]} bully {[buffalo from Buffalo] that [buffalo from Buffalo] [bully]} < 1243974231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In English, a sentence composed of N instances of "buffalo" is a valid sentence for any value of N greater than 0. < 1243974249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1243974249 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243974265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are N-buffalo sentences. < 1243974266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was implied < 1243974282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't tell _how_ you make them, especially with correct capitalization < 1243974282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did you ask for a definition? < 1243974297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243974313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tad bit more complex to do with correct capitalisation. < 1243974315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i need a context-free grammar first if i'm supposed to tell if it's regular... < 1243974421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1243974586 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. In "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo", the production rules are... < 1243974599 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974610 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974619 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm my bfjoust debugger starts to get usable :) < 1243974624 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974634 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974636 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1243974662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't cover the 1-buffalo sentence. < 1243974667 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this leads to silly regexes like /(Buffalo )* buffalo buffalo./ < 1243974687 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo Buffalo buffalo are just Buffalo buffalo. < 1243974700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: i don't feel a Buffalo prefix can be repeated < 1243974702 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you adjust the rules for that? < 1243974729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: Buffalo Buffalo buffalo == Bully buffalo from buffalo. < 1243974732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest ::= "Buffalo buffalo" instead < 1243974737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buffalo./Buffalo./ < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you do < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= < 1243974794 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and define restriced noun phrase accordingly? < 1243974794 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1243974818 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo> < 1243974831 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974842 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974850 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= < 1243974860 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974869 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974871 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1243974881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, why the second last one? < 1243974887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why rnp needs to contain anything but "buffalo" < 1243975022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : becomes the same strings anyway < 1243975050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1243975060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243975085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo buffalo" | "buffalo" | "buffalo" < 1243975192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last production of is the only thing that might make it non-regular < 1243975287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cannot produce an even number of lower-case buffaloes < 1243975391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this neglects that a n-buffalo sentence is initially capitalised. < 1243975401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1243975427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to change regularity though, i think < 1243975440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Just changes the specifics. < 1243975646 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[+]]]]+>[+[+[+[-]]]]-)*40 < 1243975654 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix__wiggle1: 29.5 < 1243975688 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1243975698 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243975706 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 32.9 < 1243975897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= ( "buffalo")*, ::= "Buffalo buffalo" | "buffalo" < 1243976061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like parenthesis matching if you could change any ( to a ) < 1243976069 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>)*5(>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 14.3 < 1243976086 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>)*2(>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976094 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 24.3 < 1243976100 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976108 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 29.5 < 1243976207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiggle waggle shake and < 1243976453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243976454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]+)*15 < 1243976463 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 25.1 < 1243976565 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*15" < 1243976573 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 20.1 < 1243976615 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243976657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: (Buffalo buffalo)^n from the start cannot contain the end of any non-trivial noun phrase. it will take about n/2 "buffalo" just to end those, which cannot be encoded in finite state. Thus not regular. I think. < 1243976695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add one more Buffalo first to take care of capitalization. < 1243976701 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]-)*15 < 1243976710 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 19.4 < 1243976714 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243976765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/about/at least/ < 1243976811 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*15 < 1243976820 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 26.7 < 1243976858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm make that n < 1243976885 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*10 < 1243976893 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 34.0 < 1243976945 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as soon as you show that you need to remember a number of character which depends on the input somehow, you are done, as it is not possible in finite state, so n or n/2 or something like that is only a technical detail < 1243977008 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 >+>+>->->->(>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*9 < 1243977016 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 38.9 < 1243977038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: of course < 1243977234 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what i'm doing is basically what shade is doing... < 1243977238 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that shade is doing it better... < 1243977250 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah my debugger is usefull by now < 1243977268 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will have to polish it a bit before releasing < 1243977285 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe do something that allows monster programs to be "compiled" faster < 1243977414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait i think i'm doing it better... now < 1243977428 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i don't use enough steps < 1243977586 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, genetic algorithms + bf joust < 1243977798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there still remains the question of whether those buffaloes can be herded into a deterministic PDA, or even just an unambiguous grammar... < 1243977839 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yacc-magicians can answer that better than I can < 1243977881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaccs, buffaloes, what's the difference < 1243978032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this language has no non-trivial forbidden prefix < 1243978133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243978322 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243978376 0 :cherez1!n=cherez@69.76.143.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243978389 0 :cherez1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243978437 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 >-(>+)*4>(>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(]->([+)*5[(-)*6[-)*2(])*8+(>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8-)*3>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+(>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8-)*2>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(]-(>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+)*2>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*7)*2]+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+>([-)*5[(+)*6[+]->([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8(+>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8->([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8(->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2(+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-])*2(])*7(+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2+>([+)*5 < 1243978443 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 0.0 < 1243978448 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243978450 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1243978495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([+)*5 is not particularly useful at the end < 1243978508 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it got cut then < 1243978525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this BFJoust thing is absurd. >| < 1243978581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your FACE < 1243978591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1243978599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d44ba4d2 < 1243978607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 24.1 < 1243978663 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1243978695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did something happen to the scoring again? < 1243978705 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems strange to me < 1243978711 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh i'm changing quite a lot in my program with each try < 1243978729 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0.0 was irc cutting of my program < 1243978791 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1fe166c4 < 1243978799 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 36.0 < 1243978815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbalanced ()* looks hard to read... < 1243978897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees a ([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8 in there < 1243978917 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but the interpreter accepts it < 1243978921 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's program generated anyway < 1243978925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even balanced < 1243978936 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said it was cut by irc < 1243978949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: only because GregorR-L couldn't manage to do the efficient ({}) without expanding < 1243978955 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know < 1243978959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that fragment < 1243978973 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only reason i did this at all was to get the code short enough for irc < 1243978981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243979010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ({})% was shorter than splitting it up... < 1243979012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243979024 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't have ({})% in my code < 1243979034 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did some repeated string => ()* replacement < 1243979043 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code itself is completely unrolled < 1243979052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a{b}c)%n vs. (a)*nb(c)*n < 1243979053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243979193 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/aWqgSqGndb/txt < 1243979204 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 39.6 < 1243979329 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/azHq8yTRkb < 1243979332 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1243979336 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 0.0 < 1243979342 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/azHq8yTRkb/txt < 1243979351 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 42.1 < 1243979848 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979858 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-173-79-52-2.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979866 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979884 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was looking for a good subset. < 1243979963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: well then Buffalo (buffalo)* should do nicely... < 1243979973 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1243979987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1243979994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that even/odd thing < 1243980018 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo buffalo. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. < 1243980022 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all valid. < 1243980042 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aBPObTXOlb/txt < 1243980046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1243980052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 30.4 < 1243980061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the capitalization neutralizes the even/odd distinction < 1243980093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd ones don't really use the city < 1243980101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even ones only once, first < 1243980201 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aJLB4WVu9/txt < 1243980206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any instance of buffalo as a noun can be replaced by three copies < 1243980210 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 30.8 < 1243980211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the shortest Buffalo sentence that's ambiguous? < 1243980218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first two still being nouns) < 1243980243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the five one at least < 1243980247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1243980274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, agreed < 1243980284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the five sentence has ambiguous associativity < 1243980317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four one only if we ignore capitalization < 1243980482 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aVY5DjSAD/txt < 1243980491 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 45.2 < 1243980634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Firefox 3 just overtook IE6 < 1243980653 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm how do defend6 and 7 work? < 1243980669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: tripwire, followed by attempting to trap the opponent in a [+] or [-] loop < 1243980669 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2*Buffalo sentence is ambiguous in english. < 1243980671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know. < 1243980686 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and how does it win? < 1243980690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 uses decoys, apart from that there's no difference < 1243980698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wins by leaving the opponent stuck in [+] or [-] on its flag < 1243980705 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243980710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: we were using kerlo's grammar < 1243980715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternating between defending the flag (preventing it being 0 twice in a row), and attacking < 1243980724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it gradually zeroes all possible enemy flags while defending its own < 1243980728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: As is the 1-Buffalo sentence. < 1243980743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that even a sentence? < 1243980747 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1-buffalo sentence isnt ambiguous unles you accept fragments. < 1243980748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243980751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need an exclamation mark, at least < 1243980757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an imperative < 1243980775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buffalo." as in "You go buffalo someone" < 1243980786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres no other interpretation of it as a sentence. < 1243980797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buffalo!" < 1243980805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the city or the animal. < 1243980821 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aJlGw7KYJ/txt < 1243980823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in not a sentence. < 1243980829 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 19.6 < 1243980833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a sentence fragment < 1243980836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically its just an NP. < 1243980849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: go back to the old one, and use a different name for test programs < 1243980861 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a test program < 1243980865 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243980866 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1243980880 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until know i got better score with each edit or each edit sequence of two < 1243980894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: a program that comes fourth is not a test program, even if it was meant to be < 1243980896 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1243980911 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aVY5DjSAD/txt < 1243980920 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 40.5 < 1243980927 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1243980948 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't it bad to fill the hill with test programs? < 1243980952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's interesting to see how speedy19 has dropped off and speedy0 hasn't; they were neck and neck (although against different programs) last I looked < 1243980952 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just happen to be above average? < 1243980958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It's a minor sentence and an exclamation. ;) < 1243980967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they won't fill the hill if they aren't good < 1243980969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I'm just wrong) < 1243980972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they are, they don't count as test programs < 1243980973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a minor sentence, its a bare NP. < 1243980993 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how should i know before ^^ it's not that i test them locally < 1243981003 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as a "minor sentence" anyway. < 1243981017 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should do that... < 1243981057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if psygnisfive has never heard someone exclaim at seeing something with a single word. < 1243981073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So did the scoring change again or did the programs just change so much as to re-mess-up the rankings? < 1243981073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: well, one possibility upon submitting a test program and it doing very well is to clear it from the hill with <, then submitting an identical program with a non-test name < 1243981073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen people exclaim things, pikhq, but that doesnt make it a sentence < 1243981079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just program change < 1243981082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill is rather dynamic < 1243981090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if pikhq realizes he's arguing with a linguist < 1243981101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat surprised how much monorail dropped < 1243981107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your definition of a sentence sucks. < 1243981111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 6.x points to -1.1 < 1243981116 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you dont know what a sentence is. < 1243981121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if psygnisfive realizes he's arguing with a pikhq  < 1243981144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good point. never argue with amateurs who don't realize they're amateurs. :( < 1243981166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I realise I'm an amateur. I just like being contrary. < 1243981186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know he was making a point < 1243981196 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-173-79-52-2.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243981215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pikhq, see, if you WEREN'T an amateur, you would be capable of saying something like, oh "well sure, its an NP, or it LOOKS that way, but really its a sentence that had the NP evacuated from the VP and then had the rest of the content elided!" < 1243981223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1243981281 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm now i have to add a nontrappable [] < 1243981337 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the interpreter support (foo(bar{baz}fn)%10ord)*10 ? < 1243981350 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can't i put ({})% inside ()* < 1243981370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on calling "Buffalo!" a sentence because it works as one in the minds of everyone but a linguist < 1243981379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: putting ({})% inside ()* ought to work < 1243981384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it doesnt work in the mind of everyone < 1243981384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bloody prescriptionist. :p) < 1243981388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an imperative, it works fine < 1243981408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noone accepts "buffalo" as anything other than a bare NP in the other interpretation < 1243981428 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hrrm trapping someone in [+] or [-] is unfair ;) < 1243981429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, you cant be prescriptivist about the structural analyses you make because they're analyses, not observations. < 1243981432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: why? < 1243981441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirdly, call me a prescriptivist again and ill hunt you down and rape you. < 1243981443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, parses to me as "(Look,) bufallo!" < 1243981447 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (not serious... hence the smiley) < 1243981454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 can trap people in about 12 different sorts of loops; but it isn't doing as well for some reason < 1243981458 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just that as soon as you're trapped... it's to late < 1243981459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it's having trouble detecting < 1243981468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1243981474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Look,) buffalo!" < 1243981476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thats the interpretation of the utterance, yes < 1243981481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not make it a sentence < 1243981499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this thing called pragmatics, and the maxim of relevance, which allows people to calculate an enormous amount of stuff < 1243981552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you're saying it's not a sentence, but our brains are absurdly flexible with it's handling of language, so it manages to (usually) work, basically. < 1243981553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this particular case, a bare NP + maxim of relevance can be interpreted (CONTEXTUALLY) as intending to communicate the existence of the NP. < 1243981569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not absurdly flexible, just sufficiently flexible. < 1243981603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can observe this by considering the enormous range of contexts in which just "Buffalo" is acceptable as a response to, say, a question < 1243981625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the interpretation of the bare NP, as an utterance, is NOT an assertion of the existence of a buffalo < 1243981628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1243981636 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What should we have for dinner?" "Buffalo wings." < 1243981643 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where should we go on vacation?" "Buffalo" < 1243981646 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ahoQwZcHz/txt < 1243981651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just going to hate natural languages for making less sense than programming languages and shaddup. < 1243981653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What species is that?" "Buffalo." < 1243981654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1243981659 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 22.1 < 1243981683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you learned some linguistics you'd realize that they make a whole lot of sense, actually. < 1243981697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this stuff about bare NPs and such isnt so much a linguistic fact as a human fact < 1243981720 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its just part of a broader cognitive capacity that we have for analyzing peoples actions < 1243981721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you and your knowing-stuff. :p < 1243981761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language, by itself, is quite elegant and beautiful. < 1243981815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk cooking crepes. < 1243981839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pikhq, learn about modern syntax. its cool. < 1243981850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/blog/?p=93 < 1243981875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I've got something to read after I finish Dr. McNinja, then. < 1243981878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1243981959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part on structuralism and formal languages you probably already understand so you could probably skip it < 1243981973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast read the structuralism part < 1243982010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Thanks for the suggestion of something to read that'll make me sound *slightly* less ignorant about this. < 1243982041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the series im writing is really just about contemporary syntax frameworks < 1243982060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt discuss detailed issues, nor does it really look at ling methodology < 1243982079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus "slightly". < 1243982083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1243982087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool tho. < 1243982088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243982089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1243982096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ĝis. < 1243982097 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wiggle2 is like 5 times as large as the next smaller one... < 1243982113 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wiggle3 is almost 8 times as large as wiggle2 < 1243982162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads wiggle2 < 1243982177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wow < 1243982182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that can't be abbreviated? < 1243982196 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that efficiently i guess < 1243982200 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) i'm randomizing stuff < 1243982229 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) i have no point b right now < 1243982236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243982288 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the recursive pattern isn't in a way it would be obvious for me on how to efficiently and syntactic legally write this abbreviated < 1243982304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: was your question about defend6/7 because you wanted to find a way to beat them? < 1243982315 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243982321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I notice lots of [+] and [-] in your program) < 1243982325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by next week the top-of-the-hill BF Joust programs should need to be sentient. < 1243982342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, sentient BF Joust might be interesting < 1243982345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans playing < 1243982354 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243982360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your turn, you can do + - < > or look at whether the current tape element is 0 < 1243982373 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesomeish < 1243982383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be rather boring, I imagine < 1243982433 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people play rock paper scissors... < 1243982458 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm most of the code of wiggle2 will never be executed < 1243982486 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i try to minimize the amount of times i have to go through a long run of ]]] < 1243982568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could need rather _huge_ programs if you try to avoid ]] < 1243982585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing loops by nesting ifs... < 1243982599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that's what i'm doing < 1243982622 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer loops really are just ifs... because the closing condition will always be false < 1243982660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variation without that problem would be to say that ] takes no time, but jumps to _before_ the corresponding [ < 1243982672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: "always" is generally a bad thing to think in BF Joust < 1243982682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the first 10 or so cycles, anything could happen < 1243982687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1243982719 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'm better off checking it twice before doing the shortcut recursion stuff < 1243982720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait that may not work < 1243982735 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: won't < 1243982753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the same < 1243982758 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically ] should skip to the next non ] instruction in case of 0 for me < 1243982908 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243983175 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243983220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I think allowing BF Joust to have a conditional goto instruction wouldn't change the game at all, but would make programs a lot shorter < 1243983728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243983748 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243983752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird_ < 1243984236 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:46 AnMaster: GregorR-L, fan broke. Going to get the fan replaced today. < 1243984236 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:47 AnMaster doesn't trust himself to to that, thus going to leave it to pros. < 1243984240 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing a computer fan is hard? < 1243984241 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly? < 1243984252 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48 AnMaster: GregorR-L, and 450 SEK for both new fan AND replacement of it. < 1243984254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculously expensive < 1243984255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan = $10 < 1243984268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:51 AnMaster: so low end it doesn't even have a fan! < 1243984271 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no indicator of low end < 1243984297 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05 AnMaster: sure, there are sounds in English that aren't in Swedish (and vice versa) but that "chef" one didn't get those right. < 1243984300 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ... not meant to. < 1243984334 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aXjcWArLU/txt < 1243984343 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 22.0 < 1243984369 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wiggle3 now wins against the defends < 1243984374 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243984374 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looses otherwise < 1243984378 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 AnMaster: btw, I can't stand this 1280x1024 on 1400x1050 monitor thing.... So I'm going to be mostly afk < 1243984378 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 AnMaster: before I get a headache from it < 1243984380 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 GregorR-L: Wow, that's extreme. < 1243984383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your eyes are broken < 1243984403 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighty < 1243984424 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:37 AnMaster: Asztal, but anyway good cable helps. Usually thicker cables are better. Probably due to the extra thickness being more shielding < 1243984426 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm idea on how to break defend... < 1243984429 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snaaaaaaaaaake oiiiiiiiiiiiiil < 1243984431 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243984440 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah defeat < 1243984447 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh < 1243984453 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:01 AnMaster: PITA = Pain in the Back (you can figure out what the last word should be yourself < 1243984454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altruist < 1243984465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain in the altruist? < 1243984489 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 pikhq: So, AMD has 6 core chips now. < 1243984489 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:43 pikhq: ehird: That means the uberrig has an additional 16 cores. :p < 1243984490 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nehalem-XE = 8 cores on one chip, iirc, and mobos w/ 4 sockets. < 1243984492 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat that, bitchnizzle. < 1243984585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:09 kerlo_: Anyway, okay. Regular grammars are to O(x) as context-free grammars are to O(x^2) as English grammar is to O(x log x). < 1243984589 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1243984592 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1243984598 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoy goys < 1243984637 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:27 kerlo_: I'm trying to find the ä sound, as in "Autistic law, Paw, walks tall." < 1243984644 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autistic law? i'm scared < 1243984646 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scared < 1243984787 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:22 pikhq goes on calling "Buffalo!" a sentence because it works as one in the minds of everyone but a linguist < 1243984793 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on calling brainfuck not a programming language because etc < 1243984815 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24 psygnisfive: thirdly, call me a prescriptivist again and ill hunt you down and rape you. < 1243984818 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like it that much? < 1243984824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>| < 1243984834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1243984846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what's that smiley? < 1243984851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243984855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1243984867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is the mouth? < 1243984876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1243984894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|o < 1243984899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a smiley, it's a hole body < 1243984901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whole < 1243984912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your moms a hole body. < 1243984936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i've logread < 1243984939 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read the responses to my logreading < 1243984942 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes, pain in the altruist. < 1243984948 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:21 psygnisfive: your moms a hole body. < 1243984950 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololololol < 1243984963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY TOO < 1243984968 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antidefend1 ([>[>[-]+]+]+)*20 < 1243984975 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_antidefend1: 15.6 < 1243984993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust bye < < 1243984999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for lament_bye: 0.0 < 1243985003 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, a *green*. < 1243985016 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ this basically means, well why no what 's the < 1243985088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: this is a sentence: the < 1243985091 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches psygnisfive squirm < 1243985096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey why am I ehird_? < 1243985097 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happene < 1243985098 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1243985100 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antidefend1 ([>[>[-.-.-.]+]+]+)*20 < 1243985107 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_antidefend1: 17.8 < 1243985111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:02:28 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@208.78.103.223) joined #esoteric < 1243985111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:02:32 --- nick: ehird -> ehird_ < 1243985113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dared disagree with a linguist is what happened! < 1243985114 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how queer < 1243985115 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1243985117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The the the The the. < 1243985127 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thé < 1243985132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: actually i agree, "buffalo" isn't a sentence < 1243985133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have some tea. < 1243985139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well there's probably a place called the < 1243985142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it CAN be < 1243985142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately no such verb < 1243985145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its animperative < 1243985147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, yeah < 1243985149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that < 1243985151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only an imperative < 1243985153 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird < 1243985157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you agreed with me :( < 1243985160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguist, but not very cunning < 1243985161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION huggles ehird < 1243985163 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE YOU T_T < 1243985164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243985167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T________________________________T < 1243985170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243985176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: not very cunning at all. < 1243985182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU'RE NOT A < 1243985183 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with defend6 and defend7 there is no way to not fall into the trap < 1243985189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaing, definitely. < 1243985200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: cunninglinguist‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1243985205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cunning if its a transboy, but thats a different sort of thing. < 1243985206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA < 1243985208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243985236 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha antidefend brought slowrush onto the top < 1243985253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##compling has a bot that will say "Chomsky is cunnilingual" if you say "syntax" < 1243985279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they all speak lojban in ##compling? < 1243985306 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243985310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they speak mostly german. < 1243985317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach so < 1243985344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no it doesn't < 1243985345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ALWAYS. < 1243985353 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. it does it randomly < 1243985356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be annoying. < 1243985362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, less annoying < 1243985372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just below the threshold of "fucking kick this bot" < 1243985405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why 'syntax < 1243985405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1243985413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because chomsky is a syntactician. < 1243985455 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243985531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1243985544 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all. < 1243985677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1243985686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243985726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a giant reeses peanut butter cup. :T < 1243985742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well give it back to Reese or he'll go fe fi fo fum < 1243985763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1243985796 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay syntactic ambiguity. :D < 1243985830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well without the 'a' < 1243985836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a makes it pretty unambiguous < 1243985849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1243985876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really. < 1243985876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1243985881 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it's true :) < 1243985883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a reese" could be a guy named reese. < 1243985886 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bot < 1243985890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a giant reese... < 1243985892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, sure < 1243985895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's very stretched < 1243985900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1243985901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally "rise" is a norwegian word for giant < 1243985904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just like your butt etc* < 1243985912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1243985917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this enormous dildo, omg < 1243985938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that; we care. < 1243985945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1243986348 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243986420 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243986786 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar >>+>+>+[[<]>[+++[-]+>]<] < 1243986810 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 3.7 < 1243986857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Me: I want to see the one we always called the “Hell Paper” at Queen’s — the mandatory fourth-year paper. You know the one, where we prove P = NP? < 1243986857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Girl: I did that! I proved P = NP! I placed near the top of the class, and the professor used my paper as an example!]] < 1243986862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joeydevilla.com/2003/04/07/what-happened-to-me-and-the-new-girl-or-the-girl-who-cried-webmaster/ < 1243986958 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1243986990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Read the whole thing < 1243987182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you realize you just spoiled it? < 1243987188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep. < 1243987189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice way to tell if someone's bullshitting < 1243987199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, we all know the answer (P = 1 or N = 0) < 1243987215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 -----### < 1243987218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch! < 1243987224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty epic story, though < 1243987286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243987293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what she was meant to be employed for? < 1243987329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er? < 1243987338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean? < 1243987349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, presumably there was some reason he was involved with her in the first place < 1243987353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: girlfriend < 1243987355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the post < 1243987356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243987416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, a jeff atwood post < 1243987418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs for cover < 1243987744 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwtfbbq < 1243988357 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar >>>+>+[]<[--](-)*111(+)*100000 < 1243988388 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 0.0 < 1243988411 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the stepcount again? < 1243988418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100000 < 1243988437 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1243988854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wolfram Research are hard at work adding pointless hardcoded gags to Wolfram|Alpha instead of improving it: http://www65.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Where+is+Waldo%3F < 1243988892 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you Skynet? < 1243988932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1243989089 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar >>>>>>>>(>[+[+[+[+[+[-[-[-[@-----]]]]]]]]])*20 < 1243989096 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 13.2 < 1243989191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@? < 1243989983 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1243990192 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breakpoint in my debugger ^^ < 1243990234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243990389 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar >>>>>>>>(>[+[+[+[+[+[-[-[-[@-----]]]]]]]]])*30 < 1243990396 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 13.3 < 1243990509 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar (+>[<(+++++[->-<]>+++++[-])*30])*30 < 1243990517 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 7.0 < 1243990599 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243990824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243990867 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243990987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1243991205 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 (>+>-)*4 (>([-)*5 [+++++ ([+)*20 [-] (])*20] (])*5)*30 < 1243991214 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 35.1 < 1243991268 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal is a short, readable version of wiggle that gets good results < 1243991339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why GIMP is Better than Adobe Photoshop" < 1243991340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAGE < 1243991472 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why emacs is better than visual studio < 1243991499 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243991499 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 (>+>-)*4(>([-)*5[+++++([+)*8(+)*15[-](])*8](])*5+>([+)*5[-----([-)*8(-)*15[+](])*8](])*5-)*15 < 1243991507 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 35.6 < 1243991606 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243991735 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3b (>+>-)*4(>([-)*5[+++++([+)*8(+)*15[-.](])*8](])*5+>([+)*5[-----([-)*8(-)*15[+.](])*8](])*5-)*15 < 1243991742 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3b: 34.6 < 1243991762 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3b < < 1243991768 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3b: 0.0 < 1243991915 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3b (>+>-)*4(>([-)*5[+++++([+)*8(+)*15[-.](])*8](])*5+>([+)*5[-----([-)*8(-)*15[+.](])*8](])*5-)*2(>([-)*5[+++++([+)*8(+)*15[-](])*8](])*5+>([+)*5[-----([-)*8(-)*15[+](])*8](])*5-)*15 < 1243991923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3b: 26.9 < 1243991995 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3b < < 1243992001 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3b: 0.0 < 1243992636 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: i don't suppose you could cut out that putting a dozen clones of the same thing on the hill bit? < 1243992681 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think it'd be fun if the rest of us did the same thing < 1243992791 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all wiggle versions on the server are different < 1243992820 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the wiggle3b version which was a try to get better than wiggle3 and thus got removed as it wasn't < 1243992840 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'r esame enough to have the same name eh? < 1243992841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: same basic implementation = same name < 1243992864 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are as similar as defend* < 1243992886 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they share the same concept < 1243992902 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 3 defends, one is majorly different from the other two.. but when i said that i saw like 5 wiggles on the hill < 1243992917 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1243992918 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: there were 4 and one was already deleted by sucide < 1243992936 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: 5 and one is now a suicide < 1243992941 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix__wiggle1.bfjoust < 1243992943 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_wiggle1.bfjoust < 1243992946 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_wiggle2.bfjoust < 1243992949 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_wiggle3.bfjoust < 1243992950 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_wiggle3b.bfjoust < 1243992953 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh didn't saw that jix__ one < 1243992958 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is left there by accident < 1243992960 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix_ < 1243992965 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 < < 1243992971 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix__wiggle1: 0.0 < 1243992974 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1243992975 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to try something else, just reuse the name.. that way you don't bump all the variety (?) off the hill < 1243992976 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243992987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you could have just done !bfjoust _wiggle1 < 1243992992 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you want to try and see if some code does better than som eother code < 1243992997 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: ais523 just told me a few hours ago to not do that.... < 1243993015 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1243993019 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead use a different name and then suicide or replace it < 1243993031 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't delete my good programs with bad testing programs < 1243993037 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always put them back < 1243993048 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm talking variants, not new programs < 1243993077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ais523's wrong; his suggestion would clutter the hill < 1243993085 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wiggle1,2,3 are different programs < 1243993088 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are testing if having 3 +s does better than 1, it doesn't make sense to submit a bunch of warriors, thus knocking off stuff for no reason < 1243993090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was angry jix lost space 4 or sth < 1243993095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't like good programs being deleted < 1243993102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a program that does well, use another name for testing < 1243993105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even for 3 seconds? < 1243993107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1243993113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replace the good program even when one of the tests does better < 1243993139 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i for myself don't really care ^^ < 1243993160 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just do _something_ now as someone will complain anyway < 1243993170 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243994531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw you can do watercooling without a pump < 1243994534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ a reserator < 1243994549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can cool more things than heatpipes but less than pumpful watercooling < 1243995342 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243995508 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/a2wMZwDJe/txt < 1243995517 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 33.7 < 1243996367 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/axaXCQAjY/txt < 1243996376 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 35.2 < 1243996668 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aP6cwk1x5/txt < 1243996676 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 35.2 < 1243996815 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aUeFcpPwdb/txt < 1243996823 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 36.6 < 1243997113 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aJDTST6eN/txt < 1243997120 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 37.0 < 1243997303 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aWq3CeYTo/txt < 1243997310 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 42.3 < 1243997590 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf pasting readable code < 1243997590 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1243997595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have one too many decoys < 1243997617 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a decoy? < 1243997626 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, your "farm" < 1243997628 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one cell too big < 1243997633 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll lose on field length 10 < 1243997636 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do? < 1243997644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: a tape element near your flag set to a nonzero value in order to slow down the opponent < 1243997652 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243997659 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near or far from your flag, it doesn't really matter < 1243997670 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more effective near because there's less chance your opponent will already be past where you are putting it < 1243997678 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, < 1243997686 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!........! < 1243997694 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :field length 10, 8 cells between your flag and their fla < 1243997694 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1243997699 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 9 is too far < 1243997702 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243998227 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243998330 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243998330 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243998346 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ao0IKplNq/txt < 1243998350 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243998353 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 52.8 < 1243998354 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be overtuned to one opponent < 1243998357 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not ^^ < 1243998448 0 :myndzi!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243998655 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/apkixpgyr/txt < 1243998664 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 46.4 < 1243998727 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243998743 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting what you can do in just bf < 1243998764 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/avON2JNox/txt < 1243998771 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 52.6 < 1243998797 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243998806 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243998816 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm i'm getting close to the top with my original idea :) < 1243998821 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even readable code) < 1243999007 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aCZN6xEspb/txt < 1243999016 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 40.8 < 1243999020 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243999103 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243999109 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aiTnviDic/txt < 1243999118 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 38.0 < 1243999207 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/a50Zu4QqJ/txt < 1243999215 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 52.6 < 1243999308 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows that sentence fragments make perfectly good sentences. < 1243999322 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Received bobcat instead of office chair. Would not buy again. < 1243999397 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aY58XLAaO/txt < 1243999406 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 43.7 < 1243999551 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/a1e2qbAt6/txt < 1243999561 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 44.4 < 1243999595 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aLm9yG2V6/txt < 1243999604 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 42.0 < 1243999798 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aUXmYc81t/txt < 1243999808 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 41.9 < 1243999848 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/agI369nDf/txt < 1243999858 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 41.8 < 1243999879 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/alPD4N8vv/txt < 1243999888 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1243999889 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 42.0 < 1243999895 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix is walling again. < 1243999964 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ar4WKzf4L/txt < 1243999973 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 46.7 < 1244000011 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aJfWVa4lp/txt < 1244000020 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 44.0 < 1244000025 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1244000043 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aiUNLWjC7/txt < 1244000049 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evil http://normish.org/ihope/evil < 1244000052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 45.3 < 1244000059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you fix one another one breaks < 1244000093 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://normish.org/ihope/evil blocks. < 1244000104 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, EgoBot is not thereby dead. :-P < 1244000115 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is, I can free it. < 1244000146 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244000146 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244000152 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem dead. < 1244000153 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1244000179 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wä wä wä. < 1244000195 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aZLIIPjWjb/txt < 1244000204 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 41.8 < 1244000272 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/anH9RMHwdb/txt < 1244000282 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 45.2 < 1244000343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244000714 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aNJawZgp3/txt < 1244000725 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 46.2 < 1244000849 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/a3Zw4eM4Z/txt < 1244000859 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 47.2 < 1244001077 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aSiaC5KB6/txt < 1244001087 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 51.2 < 1244001132 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ak84GnaGeb/txt < 1244001142 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 48.9 < 1244001178 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aGqKUZTLnb/txt < 1244001188 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 48.6 < 1244001209 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/alRX7Ro1eb/txt < 1244001220 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 48.2 < 1244001254 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aG16QnTGY/txt < 1244001264 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 49.5 < 1244001309 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/adi0Sfe7c/txt < 1244001319 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 42.1 < 1244001358 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aEKIPPU7nb/txt < 1244001369 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 50.9 < 1244001406 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aTcBwdEocb/txt < 1244001417 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 52.3 < 1244001470 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aH8BwhaPdb/txt < 1244001480 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 52.6 < 1244001519 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aZ0bbURY6/txt < 1244001528 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 57.2 < 1244001534 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1244001561 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/alx52eZ50/txt < 1244001571 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 57.3 < 1244001571 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, 57.2 < 1244001573 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.3 :D < 1244001586 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close < 1244001610 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimental: < 1244001614 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ajrNY51ag/txt < 1244001623 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 56.7 < 1244001645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aRluO2Qhnb/txt < 1244001654 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 53.1 < 1244001693 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/av8GVZbvn/txt < 1244001703 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 57.3 < 1244001730 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/awkAoi7wj/txt < 1244001741 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 57.3 < 1244001746 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1244001748 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1244001806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can delete 1, 2, and 3b < 1244001811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they use a radically different strategy < 1244001822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, I should delete defend6 < 1244001826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend6 < < 1244001832 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend6: 0.0 < 1244001849 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks -_- < 1244001855 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought i could go to bed now ^^ < 1244001860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving 7 there, anyway < 1244001908 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aORaPkjSt/txt < 1244001918 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 59.4 < 1244001958 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is why your thing about submitting duplicates sucks < 1244001966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: why? < 1244001972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it messes up the scoreboard < 1244001973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244001977 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's 3, possibly to be 4 or 5 suicides on the hill < 1244001985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll disappear in due course < 1244001994 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no reason for them to be there < 1244002007 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead they alter the scores < 1244002019 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think having a suicide alters anything? < 1244002022 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by favoring certain strategies (namely, fast attack) < 1244002033 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: did you watch what just happened? < 1244002037 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no < 1244002049 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1244002054 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tuned my program against defend < 1244002054 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I can see how it might have an effect < 1244002059 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives the same number of wins to everyone < 1244002059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there were three variants) < 1244002065 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now were there are only two left... < 1244002068 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost points of course < 1244002084 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: excuse me, i was confusing myself :P < 1244002094 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are correct of course, it gives the same points to everyone < 1244002101 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still shortens the playing field too < 1244002108 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just submit filler < 1244002120 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather have whatever warriors got knocked off back < 1244002128 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244002129 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy >(+)*5>(-)*5>(+)*5>(-)*5>(-)*5>(+)*5>(+)*5>(-)*5(>(+.)*129)*21[-]((-)*2048(+)*2048.)*2 < 1244002129 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submitting filler isn't much better than submitting < :P < 1244002136 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_lazy: 15.7 < 1244002140 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust matador >+[]<(++-)*1000+(--+)*1000(>)*9(>[+][-])*21 < 1244002141 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waiter ((+--)*10000(-++)*10000)*2(+)*10000(-)*10000(+-)*10000(-+)*10000 < 1244002153 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. they were yours? :P < 1244002158 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1244002163 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that got knocked off < 1244002165 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_matador: 8.9 < 1244002166 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_waiter: 17.4 < 1244002167 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244002170 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just subbing them now < 1244002170 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut >+>+>->->+>+>->-(>(-)*128.-.+)*29 < 1244002177 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 10.5 < 1244002178 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*23>(-)*23)*1>+>->->+>+>-(>[(-)*20[+]]->[(+)*21[-]]+>+)*10 < 1244002187 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 17.1 < 1244002213 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything's better than < < 1244002215 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244002225 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that my 3 wiggles are different enough to have a place on the hill < 1244002245 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wiggle you you.. wiggly... thing! < 1244002246 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244002290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a different structure... the only thing they share is that they try to get a cell to zero fast by using nested loops going in different directions < 1244002306 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting < 1244002307 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244002313 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiggle1 is just a very simple implementation of that < 1244002326 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was doing that a few days ago, but you seem to have had much more success with it ;) < 1244002326 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes...+--+++----+++++ etc and keeps checking? < 1244002333 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something more optimized < 1244002343 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried using nested loops for a similar reason, but it didn't work out < 1244002347 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does -[-[-[-[++++[+ ... < 1244002348 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was the speed loss because of ]]]]]]] < 1244002350 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244002353 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking < 1244002357 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check five values one way, check five the other, etc < 1244002358 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be faster < 1244002362 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might have been the hash rng at that time < 1244002388 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, i guess it's faster than -.-.-.-. for example < 1244002393 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in wiggle 2 i did exactly the same... but "elminated" the ]]]]] < 1244002395 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cases where all those aren't necessary < 1244002409 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which turns it into a rather large program < 1244002411 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see plenty of them? < 1244002422 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: but they will be evaluated much less < 1244002436 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case every 4 cells i think < 1244002454 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to make one where i nested everything so it never executes ]]]]] at all ;p < 1244002464 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: would have been to large for that < 1244002474 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my definition of too large) < 1244002482 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 , Googletalk = Patashu0@gmail.com ." < 1244002484 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it was a pain in the ass < 1244002495 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a look at that http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/jix_wiggle2.bfjoust < 1244002503 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1244002526 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in wiggle3 i tried to do a tradeoff < 1244002536 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) i setup proper decoys < 1244002550 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) i combine the "wiggle" technique with the +++++[-] thing < 1244002552 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i should have let you take those 1/20th losses ;) < 1244002563 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97.118.129.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244002570 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed a lot of contstant fiddling < 1244002586 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you did it allows you to be pretty highly tuned to the hill contents < 1244002592 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) i use [-.] [+.] to defeat defend < 1244002602 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but only for the 2nd and 3rd non zero cell) < 1244002620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: what about for the 4th? do you go back to [-] and [+]? < 1244002626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's what's defeating defend9 < 1244002635 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does < 1244002636 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1244002638 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-. < 1244002639 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-. < 1244002640 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+. < 1244002641 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1244002645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244002655 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: you got one additional -. there < 1244002663 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refreshes < 1244002665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in that case I could probably beat wiggle just by giving defend7 a few more decoys < 1244002679 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he could beat defend by adding a few more lines too < 1244002683 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1244002689 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just add 30 decoys < 1244002690 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244003658 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao mao. < 1244003998 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-192.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244004240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244004360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244004370 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244004576 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-192.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244004702 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i dont think mao is like buffalo, in that respect. < 1244005917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244006224 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for kerlo__evil: 4.6 < 1244006273 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1244006276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244006290 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. EgoBot was loating http://normish.org/ihope/evil for that long. < 1244006476 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-192.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244006573 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244008621 0 :myndzi\!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244008709 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244008762 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244009076 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244009913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: Ah, yes. You're in here, too. XD < 1244009923 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :) < 1244013567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244015999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1244016000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244016774 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244017218 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244018399 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1244019399 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://lifthrasiir.jottit.com/exe i revised the spec. does it look reasonable? < 1244019645 0 :Slereah!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244022808 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244023000 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Is it only possible to have sync io in such an OS, or would async io be also possible? < 1244023996 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: have you looked at $05 xxxx 06..08 commands? < 1244024013 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1244024153 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts forth again that any esolang-to-OS-through-stdout protocol should require or at least allow a \n at the end of every command sent. < 1244024184 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since some annoying interps (read: any interp that uses C stdio and doesn't fflush) will otherwise not send its data. < 1244024193 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh, that's good idea. < 1244024234 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mentioned that twice in previous (aborted or at least mostly aborted) such systems :P < 1244024249 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244024256 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# $05 xxxx 09 returns ??, which is true only if the handle is available for reading. On failure it returns error. # $05 xxxx 0a is same to $05 xxxx 09, but it's for writing." <- does that refer to checking if the io is ready-to-send/receive? < 1244024267 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in a week, somebody will ask why that's required, nobody will be able to answer, and it will disappear again, only for me to come back and explain it again. Oh, the cycle of annoying X-P < 1244024283 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: something like select(2) system call. < 1244024296 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244024301 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnx < 1244024311 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe i have to mention such equivalences) < 1244024324 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: :p < 1244024338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Sorry, it's just happened before :P < 1244024345 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, do you have any suggestions didn't make it into previous systems? < 1244024364 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only suggestion I ever had, I waited for them to mature a bit so I could poke around, and they never did. < 1244024378 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can seem to get past the "idea" stage and to the "interpreter" stage for some reason. < 1244024413 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad. < 1244024426 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik PSOX has some implementation... < 1244024427 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had* < 1244024498 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Which part deals with signals, or h/ware interrupts/handlers? < 1244024564 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: currently not, maybe added soon. < 1244024572 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afk < 1244025319 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1244032873 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244032873 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1244032908 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: We missed you! < 1244033048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs clog  < 1244034768 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244034781 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244036067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the spam directory: "Subject: Fortune cookies help cops naab suspect" < 1244036106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a naaging doubt about the spelling there < 1244036115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244036582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, the long integer format seems screwy < 1244036599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but interesting < 1244036985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl (but old) http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30832?utm_source=onion_rss_daily < 1244038248 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244038484 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244043271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1244044236 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244044791 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"the teacher I mean" < 1244045695 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat66.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244045741 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-82-69.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244046278 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244046950 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244048740 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244048996 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244049239 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244049284 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still thinking about a good I/O model for Migol. I want something elegant that jumps to the I/O subroutine, executes the I/O, modifies the memory and jumps back to the main program, without messing up the language. < 1244049369 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 , Googletalk = Patashu0@gmail.com ." < 1244049593 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244049686 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what about sections, similar to actual assembly languages? < 1244049809 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244049810 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: Sections? < 1244049916 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: define a section as a sequence of statements, and entering a statement as setting the program counter to the first element in a section < 1244049946 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: that way, you could have interrupt-based IO by simply executing the IO-section whenever the input-interrupt occurs (besides executing the code-section by default) < 1244049992 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would also generalize nicely to all kinds of interrupts :) < 1244050082 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: Sounds interesting, can it be used as an interface to for example C libraries? Jumping to an another Migol code section seems pointless. < 1244050173 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: I think so. If you can map C's calling conventions into your memory model (which should be possible), then you could define something like a c-section which is entered upon the right interrupt < 1244050178 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244050508 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244050605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1244051347 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244051871 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-68-124.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244052045 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@f-53.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244052215 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244052299 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-249.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244052707 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244053596 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244053722 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1244054838 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-122-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244055712 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244055778 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-16.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244055812 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1244056690 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244057135 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244057220 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244057938 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244057946 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE67DB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244059409 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244059595 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244060528 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244060698 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244061057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay back on usable screen resolution < 1244061090 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :320x200 CGA < 1244061096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ___ < 1244061102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : __ _ _ __ ___ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ _ _ _ __ __|__ \ < 1244061102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / _` | '__/ _ \ | | | |/ _ \| | | | / __| | | | '__/ _ \/ / < 1244061102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| (_| | | | __/ | |_| | (_) | |_| | \__ \ |_| | | | __/_| < 1244061102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \__,_|_| \___| \__, |\___/ \__,_| |___/\__,_|_| \___(_) < 1244061102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |___/ < 1244061159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high-fives Ørjan < 1244061169 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't read that in my IRC client, had to paste it to notepad. < 1244061187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ... You don't have monotype IRC? < 1244061194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monospaced, rather. < 1244061199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Wow. < 1244061213 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it seems not < 1244061242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's probably not _that_ important < 1244061461 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"connection terminated by profanity filter" < 1244061651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, 1400x1050 < 1244061685 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244061698 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244061717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, instead of 1280x1024 on TFT with 1400x1050 as native res! < 1244061723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which seriously sucked) < 1244061893 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why were you using that again? < 1244061934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, LCDs not being run at native resolution! < 1244061970 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually either the graphics or the monitor is able to do letterboxing < 1244062015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monitors don't letterbox. Evil, isn't it? < 1244062515 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244063505 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244063641 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 182 (Connection reset by beer)" < 1244065445 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-15-135.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244065654 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244065945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03 GregorR-L: Since apparently the master logging bots are prone to deadeadead. < 1244065947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is rock-solid < 1244065957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes.org is not < 1244065977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33 pikhq: impomatic: ... You don't have monotype IRC? < 1244065977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33 pikhq: Monospaced, rather. < 1244065978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33 pikhq: That's... Wow. < 1244065980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor I < 1244066019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote two silly things today: < 1244066028 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244066046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/499629.txt?key=turhqwrztzeyugdoq3wzq < 1244066047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/499631.txt?key=cosj6kske51habowtnh5qa < 1244066060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have a rather complex backstory only comprehensible if your mind is identical to mine. < 1244066095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : clog is rock-solid tunes.org is not <-- huh? < 1244066101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1244066115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog logs on tunes.org < 1244066118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1244066128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying that tunes.org is the problem; clog itself is rock-solid software that never crashes < 1244066138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244066139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lacks, y'know, any open source code. < 1244066145 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244066152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that the tunes project is dead^A(g64,g64) < 1244066198 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244066305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead? < 1244066419 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244066569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0xdead) < 1244066571 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57005 < 1244066599 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1244066621 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy beaver instead < 1244066680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy beaver is computable isn't it < 1244066686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a machine more powerful than what you're trying to busy beaver < 1244066714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1244066728 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know it halts, so I guess you could just run every possible program of that length in parallel < 1244066733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1244066742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a fuck of a long time, but very possible < 1244066759 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then count the 1's < 1244066772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1244066775 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe by using the LOVE MACHINE 9000 < 1244066779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: prove me wrong < 1244066806 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a little beaver of hers : < 1244066807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1244066807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a[0:P1RI:b;1:P1LE:b]| < 1244066807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b[0:P1LE:a;1:P0LE:c]| < 1244066807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c[0:P1RIHA:c;1:P1LE:d]| < 1244066807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d[0:P1RI:d;1:P0RI:a] < 1244066809 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1244066811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0=0;ims=a;d13;vh;etTecT;t1] < 1244066813 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244066814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean what i think you mean, it seems fine < 1244066829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah; so why is busy beaver considered uncomputable? < 1244066838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine can calculate BB(x) for all x in finite time < 1244066842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244066845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from non-halting things < 1244066850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because it doesn't work if some of the programs you test might _not_ halt < 1244066863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it was an FSM this'd be trivial < 1244066864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble < 1244066885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you run it all in parallel and keep a running total you can oslev it practically (with a few billion years or thereabouts) < 1244066889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a pure solution < 1244066901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oslev"? < 1244066903 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oslev? < 1244066911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: solve < 1244066913 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve? < 1244066915 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244066924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oslev: Solve practically but not theoretically. < 1244066924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244066940 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's true that you might have one that seems to not stop, but will < 1244066943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's not a few billion years. once you get up to the length where you can embed an ackermann function... < 1244066945 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the distant future < 1244066949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true < 1244066954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yeah < 1244066957 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1244066962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BB(x,y) where y is a parameter for size of an FSM can be done trivially < 1244066963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1244068715 0 :nooga!n=nooga@dpu234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244068766 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello þar < 1244068789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ð. < 1244068812 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244068976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gimme one of those fancy f's < 1244068995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean s? < 1244068998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244069003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can ſee about getting you one. < 1244069007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1244069105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſoo þar < 1244069108 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo thar < 1244069116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Argh. Unicode has small-caps, but not for all letters. < 1244069120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're just for IPA) < 1244069130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1244069143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1244069144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do < 1244069145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1244069456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1244069457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Brethren, and Fellow Citizens ! < 1244069458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1244069459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yᴏᴜ may depend, that thoſe odius Miſcreants and deteſ– < 1244069461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :table Tools to Miniſtry and Governor, the Tᴇᴀ Cᴏɴꜱɪɢɴᴇᴇꜱ, < 1244069463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thoſe Traitors to their Country, Butchers, who have done, and are do– < 1244069465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing every Thing to Murder and deſtroy all that ſall ſtand in the Way < 1244069467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of their private Intereſt,) are determined to come and reſide again in < 1244069469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Town of Boſton. < 1244069471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1244069473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I therefore give you this early Notice, that you may hold yourſelves < 1244069475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Readineſs, on the ſhorteſt Notice, to give them ſuch a Reception, as < 1244069477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſuch vile Ingrates deſerve. J O Y C E, jun. < 1244069479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Chairman of the Committee for Tarring and Feathering. < 1244069481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1244069483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ☞ If any Perſon ſhould be ſo hardy as to Tear this down, they may < 1244069485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect my ſevereſt Reſentment. J. jun. < 1244069490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see all of that; not all of the smallcaps show up right. < 1244069522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can give you a plaintext document with which to use another font on. < 1244069538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay; URL? < 1244069548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/499720.txt?key=thydhbk8cjeonqchaaagq (also added a space to the first line, to align as in the original letter) < 1244069555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, notice < 1244069563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/BostonTeaPartyJoyceNotice.jpg ← I think I did a pretty good reproduction < 1244069572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thare. < 1244069572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designed for a monospaced font < 1244069723 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244069735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh— [[In the colonies, Benjamin Franklin stated that the destroyed tea must be repaid, all 90,000 pounds.]] < 1244070122 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1244070132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loeb loeb loeb loeb loeb loeb < 1244070156 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244070160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's (a) around, (b) knows haskell? < 1244070169 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1244070177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes oerjan < 1244070264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo there < 1244070276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aw damn, I had an idea but I realised that it required a type of (a = a -> b) < 1244070295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically: a function which, when given a function of its type, probes it with inputs to attempt to determine if it's itself. < 1244070307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mirror :: a = a -> Bool < 1244070336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mirror = Mirror (Mirror -> Bool) < 1244070376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs only a little additional pattern matching < 1244070450 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember seeing that before < 1244070506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, goo < 1244070507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1244070564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure it's possible < 1244070572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it isn't going to be hard creating one that isn't constant or non-terminating < 1244070587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244070602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pass special functions as "signals" to the questionee, but how do you detect if you get one? < 1244070605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite regress < 1244070606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok you have const True and const False < 1244070655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it may not be that impossible to get some information < 1244070662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a draft implementation < 1244070673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it can't be perfect, of course < 1244070696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mirror = M { runM :: Mirror -> Bool } for a little convenience, perhaps < 1244070713 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:04 < ehird> ...aw damn, I had an idea but I realised that it required a type of (a = a -> b) < 1244070714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then M (const True), M (const False) are examples < 1244070721 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this Haskell? < 1244070725 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what does that mean < 1244070734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from those you can make M ($ const False), etc. < 1244070736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yes < 1244070743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirror :: Mirror -> Bool < 1244070743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirror (Mirror f) = < 1244070744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : let r1 = f $ const True < 1244070746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2 = f $ const False < 1244070748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a start < 1244070757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do boolean operations on the result < 1244070794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wrap of course < 1244070810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem is that if you do "f (Mirror f)", you don't terminate when passed yourself < 1244070819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244070833 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what does a type of (a = a -> b) mean < 1244070838 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that pseudo-syntax < 1244070840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: pseudo < 1244070848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: it means "type a such that a -> b" < 1244070853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, f f f f f f < 1244070854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is valid < 1244070859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't represent it; it's not sound < 1244070863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do it w/ a newtype < 1244070869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since that adds a safety boxing layer < 1244070870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1244070875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1244070880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ f $ f $ f $ that is < 1244070881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244070883 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG Gregor is back in Indiana. < 1244070885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for (a = a -> a) < 1244070898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype actually does only virtual boxing, it doesn't show up in the compiled result < 1244070902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244070905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's boxing in theory < 1244070928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not non-strict boxing < 1244070936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's theoretical boxing < 1244070937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type boxing < 1244070977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirror :: Mirror -> Bool < 1244070977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirror (Mirror f) = < 1244070979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : let r1 = f $ Mirror (const True) < 1244070981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2 = f $ Mirror (const False) < 1244070983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in traceShow (r1, r2) False < 1244070985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1244070987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> mirror (Mirror mirror) < 1244070989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(True,True) < 1244070991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(False,False) < 1244070993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(False,False) < 1244070995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Mirror ($ const True) < 1244070995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1244070997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doubting this is possible without specially-crafted sentinel functions < 1244070999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm unsure how to craft them < 1244071003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ehm, what's that do? < 1244071013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't type yo < 1244071014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1244071016 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirror (Mirror `on` the wall)... < 1244071020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: yeah :) < 1244071044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: the pun was of course on the magic mirror detecting who the fairest of them all is, and introspection < 1244071117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're probably going to get some diagonalized non-terminating counterexample anyway < 1244071130 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke mixed with coffee < 1244071138 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil < 1244071138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nontermination on some inputs is fine < 1244071147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mirror (Mirror mirror) should always be True < 1244071154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most random functions of the tpe should be False < 1244071155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*type < 1244071158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the drug or the drink? < 1244071174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drink < 1244071179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1244071181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drug is yuck btw < 1244071195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244071229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm with wrapping my ($ const True) should become M ($ M (const True)) < 1244071238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would that do? < 1244071242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow how it works < 1244071260 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244071264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> Mirror ($ Mirror (const True)) < 1244071264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:8: < 1244071265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1244071267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `Mirror' < 1244071268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tests by applying f to M (const True) < 1244071269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it typed. < 1244071276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1244071277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1244071278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : let r1 = f $ Mirror (const True) < 1244071280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2 = f $ Mirror (const False) < 1244071282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1244071284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1244071286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1244071291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't my example do that? < 1244071291 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do we call mutable variables? < 1244071298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: evil. < 1244071300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: state < 1244071303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1244071313 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are them? ;f < 1244071319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but then you could test more by using _that_ as the test < 1244071328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: follow i don't < 1244071330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: state < 1244071331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to apply to < 1244071341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does f get? < 1244071345 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lige < 1244071348 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like* < 1244071356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for any test function you make, you get a new test by applying to the first < 1244071374 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define a,b,c here { something something } forget a,b,c ? < 1244071378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry? < 1244071384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gimme a function (test->newTest) < 1244071386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll understand < 1244071395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what? < 1244071408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yodawg t (Mirror f) = f (Mirror t) < 1244071426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, not function and test < 1244071428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test->newTest < 1244071431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give an argument to f, get a new one back < 1244071461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: t is the old test, yodawg t the new one < 1244071478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so (\test -> Mirror test) < 1244071487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Mirror < 1244071490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure of the effects, oerjan < 1244071499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to the function? < 1244071504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1244071507 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm not sure if i understand < 1244071523 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give my an example? < 1244071532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why don't you just try yodawg out? < 1244071533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I have no idea what the heck yo're talking about < 1244071535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1244071547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: about mutable vars < 1244071554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because I can blindly apply functions all day but my mirror doesn't return reasonable results so I'd have no idea at all what it does < 1244071558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: be more specific dammit < 1244071614 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://llvm.org/docs/tutorial/OCamlLangImpl7.html << about wtf is that chapter about < 1244071634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that is not what I meant! < 1244071637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT is your question to me? < 1244071673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, I get it < 1244071679 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: about wtf is that chapter about < 1244071679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1244071683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're asked: detect this function. we give it (const True). < 1244071686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we pass that result on. < 1244071699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those "mutable variables" < 1244071702 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244071705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: variables you can change < 1244071710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to invariable variables < 1244071716 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1244071731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if domething is called a variable it's variable, right? < 1244071735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244071739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, < 1244071743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a :: Integer; a = 2 < 1244071747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, that's (informally) a variable < 1244071750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't reassign it < 1244071753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's a relic of old names < 1244071758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we made variables, then we made immutable variables < 1244071761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they're commons < 1244071764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we say mutable variables < 1244071774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immutable variables: just names for values < 1244071783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable variables: names for changable state that contains values < 1244071809 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1244071816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's clearer < 1244071833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I'm not sure how wrapping it helps us decide about the function < 1244071838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: an immutable variable, like in mathematics, doesn't vary in a _single_ use, it varies _between_ uses < 1244071863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not only should mirror interrogate its argument; if we think we're being called by mirror (i.e., it's responding like we would), we should try and pass information it expects back < 1244071868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm < 1244071870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1244071877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say that, that's wrong < 1244071881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what it means in this context < 1244071884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I've never heard that < 1244071893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's maybe too vague < 1244071901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just wrong < 1244071939 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's possible to use partial evaluation to generate all possible cases of type usage in a SADOL program < 1244071962 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate fast code that doesn't care about types in runtime < 1244072001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm put it differently, it doesn't vary within its scope, but it can have a different value if you enter its scope again < 1244072015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1244072017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what it means < 1244072019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply wrong < 1244072046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in mathematics? < 1244072052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about mathematics < 1244072054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about programming < 1244072057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and language design < 1244072062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay < 1244072062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the term is never meant as you say < 1244072065 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-16.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244072068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming borrowed the word from math < 1244072074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i moved my thoughts to partial evaluation < 1244072187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: why not write a sadol interp, and a specializer? < 1244072191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be so more futamura. < 1244072211 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244072235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably harder than a compiler < 1244072245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as futurama < 1244072256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he gets that a lot < 1244072258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with llvm i can make something quite optimal < 1244072262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION either < 1244072267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: do you know what a specializer is? < 1244072267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244072268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this cas < 1244072270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1244072271 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1244072273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (interpreter → compiler) < 1244072277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the specializer could make an LLVM compiler < 1244072278 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that twisted paper < 1244072284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a bit harder, but fuck, a lot coole. < 1244072285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1244072378 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porbably i'm too stupid to make it work < 1244072407 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably* (destroy all mac keyboards) < 1244072439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: buy another keyboard, foo < 1244072443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an apple kb < 1244072451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, a specialiser would be cool. If tricky. < 1244072484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they exist < 1244072487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're crap, but they exist < 1244072491 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244072507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1244072511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greenity. < 1244072524 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that the specialiser is a program that modifies the code of interpreter to obtain an instance of the interpreter suited for interpreting specific program < 1244072530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the interpreter is compiled < 1244072531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244072537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that's one of the projections, pretty much < 1244072539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but more detailed) < 1244072545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: but another projection, is you give it an interpreter < 1244072547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we've got relatively fast running program < 1244072550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives you a compiler (interpreter → program) < 1244072582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html read this, it'll get you psyched about futamura < 1244072594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh, youtube hd is 720p < 1244072597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was 540p < 1244072598 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that once, at night < 1244072599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1244072605 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was too much < 1244072660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. < 1244072676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... There *are* specialisers? < 1244072679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's awesome?