< 1245369842 0 :ASSCRESTME!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ACMESTRESS < 1245371281 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245371681 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245372181 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1245372341 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1245372702 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1245372733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1245373112 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-067-213.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245373488 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1245373875 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1245374792 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1245377492 0 :ACMESTRESS!n=CESSMAST@pool-71-184-255-42.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245380579 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1245381072 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1245381171 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245381187 0 :ACMESTRESS!n=CESSMAST@pool-71-184-255-42.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245381257 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245382242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245382284 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-118-2.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245383290 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245383325 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-118-2.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245385234 0 :chromakode!n=chromako@unaffiliated/chromakode JOIN :#esoteric < 1245385244 0 :chromakode!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1245385245 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSCRESTME? Hum. < 1245386426 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1245388755 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-112.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245388758 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245389757 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1245391574 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1245391962 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acmestress? < 1245391974 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acme stress? wtf? < 1245392179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC mistress < 1245392833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245398399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1245398400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1245398418 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACME stress is the stress provoked by dynamite explosion < 1245399020 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ < 1245399020 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399020 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/| < 1245399025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399027 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399028 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399030 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399037 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1245399037 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1245399037 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /< < 1245399051 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1245399051 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1245399051 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /`\ < 1245399066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ < 1245399071 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ < 1245399074 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ < 1245399148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245399148 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245399148 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/´\ < 1245399152 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1245399163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1245401016 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good client that supports utf-8? < 1245401040 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245401057 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :od client that supports utf-8? < 1245401057 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:43]  < 1245401060 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1245401081 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy-pastes properly < 1245401746 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1245401746 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                   | < 1245401747 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  /| < 1245401754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o\ < 1245401754 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | < 1245401754 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            /'\ < 1245401765 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1245401770 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1245401779 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _o_ bu-n! < 1245401779 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                | < 1245401780 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               /< < 1245401846 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are six outgoing irc connections from normish? (and four logged in users) < 1245401867 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cronjobos? < 1245401869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jobs < 1245401882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also valgrind is slow < 1245401915 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or screen < 1245401920 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they just left their computer on < 1245401927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1245401931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no memory errors in my code < 1245401946 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one user has four connections O_o < 1245401948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is always a good sign, especially when chasing memory bugs < 1245401972 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-98-142.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1245402038 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1245402426 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something < 1245402433 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU! < 1245402443 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245402651 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245402828 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you made a rubicon forum account? < 1245402957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: yes < 1245402969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you < 1245402971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although less recently < 1245403011 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i solved your puzzles #1 and #3, i think the machine in my solution to #3 has been around for a while < 1245403203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, a selection sort < 1245403216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution to #3 is an insertion sort, which I think is pretty elegant in Rubicon < 1245403332 0 :Co-Run!n=Corun@94-194-108-92.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1245403436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your solution to #1 is faster than mine < 1245403436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it another way, mine is even slower than yours < 1245403453 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post them < 1245403457 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your solutions < 1245403479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: I already have, on the warehouse search < 1245403495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought everyone used that... < 1245403557 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the forums < 1245403623 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly people use the forums - warehousing them allows you to specify a title, name, category, and means it is permanently stored < 1245403658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you link solutions to levels too < 1245403673 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1245403682 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE4E3E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245403695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :D < 1245403705 0 :mtd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1245403758 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : :D < 1245403776 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a dude with an Erdos number in my university < 1245403801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1245403808 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1245403840 0 :Co-Run!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245403847 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what puzzles? < 1245403866 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kevan.org/rubicon/forums/index.php/topic,330.0.html < 1245403866 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-108-92.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1245403869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: xkcd.com < 1245403878 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it i mean < 1245403884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdos_number < 1245403890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: see immibis' link < 1245403970 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@82.132.139.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245404012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Munroe put an accent on Erdos, but the wrong one. < 1245404012 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Munroe put an accent on Erdos, but the wrong one. < 1245404026 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay a new time waster < 1245404028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1245404031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats immibis -----### < 1245404032 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oerjan -----### < 1245404032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to type double-acute, anyway < 1245404035 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo, time waster :( < 1245404044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: time to make another nomic contract? < 1245404045 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i forgot to make it so it only responds if my name is mentioned < 1245404056 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: very possibly :D < 1245404058 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that appears to me as: [20:33] --> [#esoteric] ACTION swats oerjan -----### < 1245404106 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the script uses: SendCommand "/ctcp "+Channel+" ACTION "+... < 1245404117 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would go to the channel i was in instead of the one it was sent in < 1245404171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: do actions taken by that script count as you doing them? < 1245404233 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1245404242 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise what do you think would happen? < 1245404247 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something < 1245404257 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices this is only said once < 1245404261 0 :mtd!n=martin@ops-13.xades.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245404269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: myndzi's script caused a massive row over at Agora Nomic < 1245404271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still is, in fact < 1245404324 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see it online? < 1245404333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look for it < 1245404491 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list archive is only accessible to list members... < 1245404514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are public archives too but they aren't linked for some reason < 1245404531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for the relevant messages on the CotC server, but it's being really slow atm < 1245404611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2586 is the court case < 1245404620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but part of the row was that the relevant evidence wasn't attached to it < 1245404683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: here's the myndzi-related parts of the business archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=myndzi&l=agora-business%40agoranomic.org < 1245404943 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do barrels do? < 1245404948 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245404951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: same thing as crates < 1245404957 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1245404958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but involving barrels in arithmetic gives you barrels not crates < 1245404967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and barrels can't be used to satisfy victory conditions < 1245404968 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't win with them? < 1245404972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1245405033 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that you can still use put data in the level but you can't just put the right number on top of the target and win easily < 1245405107 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1245405120 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw just try and make me register on agora with my script < 1245405139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: because you want to run a test? < 1245405150 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the script? yes < 1245405157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've registered entities which weren't actually playing for ages, including the entire country of Canada < 1245405163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, let's try < 1245405164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not registered < 1245405165 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1245405173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, right, just declared Canada to be a person < 1245405183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: not any of its citizens; just Canada itself < 1245405237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was part of a (successful) attempt to make Canada win < 1245405241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees to the following private contract with immibis, binding under the rules of Agora: {Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other party to cause em to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.} < 1245405248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, immibis turned off the script < 1245405291 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok try it now < 1245405295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees to the following private contract with immibis, binding under the rules of Agora: {Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other party to cause em to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.} < 1245405296 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees to the following private barbeque with ais523, binding under the rules of Agora: {Any IRC channel to this barbeque can act on behalf of any other IRC channel to cause em to register. This barbeque terminates 4 hours after it is created.} < 1245405306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1245405339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that gives me an idea for a different test < 1245405354 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is it odd that private contracts by default are joined by announcement? < 1245405363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: agreed it's odd < 1245405369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this conversation should probably move to ##nomic < 1245405404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noes! < 1245405408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined the wrong symbol! < 1245405414 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to do another hourlong recompile! < 1245405420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hourlong recompiles < 1245405421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245405423 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH OH MY GOD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD < 1245405423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you compiling? < 1245405425 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using make? < 1245405431 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -j < 1245405436 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs the compiles in parallel < 1245405441 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wxWidgets application and yes, even with -j still takes forever < 1245405444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: not all makefiles work with -j < 1245405452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're often badly written < 1245405455 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make sure to set a reasonable limit on -j < 1245405457 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg < 1245405463 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -j 15 < 1245405464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C-INTERCAL works fine with -j, though) < 1245405468 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully this one works with -j < 1245405480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because it's autotools < 1245405494 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, it's a wxWidgets application and I think there's a problem in w < 1245405496 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wx < 1245405512 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to compile the debug version of the library, which is NOT ABI-compatible (yes, really) < 1245405519 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i am in ##nomic if you still want to try and make me register < 1245405519 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not the debug version < 1245405525 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but recompile my code to the debug library < 1245405581 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, thanks so some recent sanitization that I think is due to GTK, I can now actually find what I'm looking for in the Valgrind output < 1245405586 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hopefully fix this bug once and for all < 1245406018 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245406057 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-108-92.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1245406144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1245406571 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug: sefault < 1245406579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: run program in valgrind always < 1245406615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH < 1245406622 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IDIOT OPTIMIZED THE DEBUGGING LIBRARIES < 1245406862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, am now really annoyed < 1245406870 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can tell < 1245406903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, who optimizes debugging libraries? < 1245406926 0 :atrapado!n=rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245406973 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any void here < 1245406999 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no void < 1245407001 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a void* < 1245407003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1245407012 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245407022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a void** < 1245407034 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you pointing to something that points to something < 1245407038 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245407060 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fire ! < 1245407063 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1245407068 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire**? < 1245407081 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, dereference the gun < 1245407463 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shake the body of the function < 1245407503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, I optimize libyuk < 1245407507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a library which is also a debugger < 1245407632 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different < 1245407639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't optimizing the debug verison of it, do you? < 1245408066 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When the chips are down, well, the buffalo is empty" < 1245408612 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1245408745 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it" < 1245409301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245412295 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245412304 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you do < 1245412316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: I'm an electronic and computer engineer < 1245412338 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo do computers or computers with computers < 1245412549 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i am computer scientist < 1245412580 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and technical developer < 1245412601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245412665 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245412827 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: problems with connection ? < 1245412831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1245412840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wireless here is rather dodgy < 1245412952 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-140.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245412980 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will have to de wire less it < 1245412985 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wire it < 1245413054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a different connection < 1245413060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't allowed to use wired connections here < 1245413067 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no ? < 1245413073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have wireless at home < 1245413073 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1245413077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the university connection < 1245413084 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, there are no plugs < 1245413089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their wireless routers handle people's laptops, the wired ones don't < 1245413098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there /are/ plugs, but you get in trouble if you try to use them < 1245413102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, they don't work < 1245413108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's tied to a MAC address < 1245413168 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1245413183 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is cyphered the air ? < 1245413199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245413205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real problem, the authentication here is really complex < 1245413213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every now and then the routers decide you aren't allowed to use them < 1245413215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no good reason < 1245413228 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, encryption in an illusion < 1245413364 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking about break it < 1245413491 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will start reversing md5 < 1245413770 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then sha1 < 1245413773 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then sha256 < 1245413778 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then chaos < 1245413780 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as before < 1245413897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado: just build a quantum computer < 1245413900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be more generally useful < 1245413947 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i am thinking about what is the most useful thing i can do with this computers, and is break the illusions of cryptography < 1245414020 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all that is build over them < 1245414423 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and break unix if i can < 1245414435 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and build a better thing < 1245415887 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1245416318 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"WeeChat 0.2.6.3" < 1245418268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: Windows 7's version number is not actually 7 < 1245418269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/10/14/why-7.aspx < 1245418288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's 6.1, because loads of applications break when they change the Windows major version number < 1245418355 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245418575 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245419936 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1245420117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 6.1" just doesn't have the same ring to it. < 1245420149 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "application compatibility" means some retard was stupid enough to do if (WindowsGetMajorRevisionNumberEx() == 6) instead of >= 6 < 1245420547 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245420561 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245420928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1245420937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they change major number at vista? < 1245420953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wouldn't that have broken lots of stuff too? < 1245421041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's why they didn't change it at 7. < 1245421048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245421053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 6.1 < 1245421064 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that when people "fixed" things for Vista, they "fixed" them with == instead of >= :P < 1245421071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they didn't learn their bloody lessons. < 1245421076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are two different integers right? as in int major; int minor;? < 1245421085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers when both are packed into one < 1245421088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my guess is that people expect programs to break across Windows major versions < 1245421089 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least three it seems. < 1245421091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so used == deliberately < 1245421110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I expect programs to break over Windows major versions, just based on personal experience < 1245421117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like MMmmpp so 7.0.1 would be #define FOO_VERSION 070001 < 1245421123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is way easier to compare against < 1245421163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't have to do "if (major == 7 && patch >= 1) || (major > 7)" or similar < 1245421208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember ever having an old program break on a new Mac OS Classic version. No idea about OS X since I haven't used it a lot. < 1245421237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on classic MacOS you could easily run system 6 or system 7 programs on MacOS 9 < 1245421246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience that is < 1245421340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_single_assignment_form has valgrind listed in "See also" < 1245421347 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X is /all about/ breaking things between versions. < 1245421349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no other mention of valgrind in the page... < 1245421363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and valgrind is afaik totally unrelated to SSA < 1245421385 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Valgrind authors go around to very-indirectly-related pages and add themselves to "see also" < 1245421399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, [citation needed] < 1245421412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaaawl < 1245421415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time to believe that is not a joke < 1245421434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you said that so seriously, it is hard to know. < 1245421435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it is a joke you oblivious person you :P < 1245421504 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find humor in others' struggle to determine whether I'm joking. < 1245421509 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore net humor goes up either way. < 1245421540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a reference recently to "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" < 1245421544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it reminded me of GregorR < 1245421556 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... interesting :P < 1245421591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I saw a reference recently to "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" <-- err... Isn't the first three words the title of some famous book iirc. < 1245421598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245421603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is that famous book, just with more zombies < 1245421613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the first four words. "Pride and Prejudice and" < 1245421616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cliffhanger title. < 1245421635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read that book though. But from what remember hearing about it... zombies seems very out of place. < 1245421649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombies + upper-class twits = perfect combo. < 1245421682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My summary of Pride and Prejudice is "upper-class twits", btw) < 1245421704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... it actually exists? < 1245421747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did someone even get the idea "lets make a parody of Pride and Prejudice that adds zombies"... < 1245421778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem*, zombies + upper-class twits = perfect combo. < 1245421801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I'm not sure I agree. < 1245421955 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245422194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, can anyone here guess what 'echo 0.15-0.05;' prints in PHP 5.2.4? < 1245422257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, obviously not 0.10. Or you wouldn't have asked. < 1245422262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1245422266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints 0.0: < 1245422268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a colon < 1245422271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it only that specific version? < 1245422274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so < 1245422278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, weird bug < 1245422288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives 0.1 in 5.2.8 here. < 1245422305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.15 - 0.05 = 0.09999999999999999167 < 1245422318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PHP apparently rounds the 9 up to a colon < 1245422322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the next character in ASCII < 1245422328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1245422373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it does floating point to text conversion then... < 1245422387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it doesn't use the one found in libc < 1245422391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that wouldn't have happened < 1245422393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I thought : was below 0, not after 9. I was wondering how it got there. < 1245422394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why not < 1245422443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly using snprintf isn't good enough for php < 1245422620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I haven't found any good online resource for how to implement SSA. I mean, the actual algorithms, what sort of data structure works and so on. < 1245422629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structures* < 1245422634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work* < 1245422693 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245423599 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-111.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1245423887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, I have some sort of semi SSA, which is correct, but can't correctly be converted back... < 1245423944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out some other way to convert back to non-SSA form < 1245424001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or semi-SSA rather, as I haven't implemented the parts to handle branches yet, so currently it only works inside a single basic blocks.) < 1245424207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1245425055 0 :ACMESTRESS!n=CESSMAST@pool-71-184-255-42.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245425475 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245427427 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort(ACMESTRESS) < 1245427429 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACEEMRSSST < 1245427665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesa. < 1245427689 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort(Interesa) < 1245427691 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iaenrst < 1245427705 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid ASCII < 1245427715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: for a moment, I thought you were getting EgoBot to do that < 1245427725 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1245427849 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245427951 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-108-92.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1245427986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo I\'m hackable, lawl < 1245427986 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hackable, lawl < 1245428028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort(Łàẅłŝ) < 1245428240 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish I'm hackable, lawl < 1245428241 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm heckeble-a, levl < 1245428373 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"levl" :P < 1245428405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Łàẅłŝ < 1245428406 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Łàẅłŝ < 1245428419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too foreign for the chef, huh? < 1245428463 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245428499 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already swedish, duh < 1245428551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish level < 1245428552 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lefel < 1245428553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1245428558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish levl < 1245428559 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lefl < 1245428563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't stop it there. < 1245428567 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish lefl < 1245428568 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leffl < 1245428571 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish leffl < 1245428572 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leffffl < 1245428573 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeeeh < 1245428576 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish leffffl < 1245428577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leffffffffl < 1245428583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just doubling the fs < 1245428592 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORLY < 1245428597 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish NORLY < 1245428598 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORLY < 1245428600 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1245429521 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1245430624 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245430943 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-71-232-26-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245430984 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey GregorR- I'm expanding my horizons a bit and trying to learn some Javascript, and I was wondering if you could help me debug something. < 1245431008 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially. < 1245431016 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement a simple permutation generator in JS and something's tripping me up. Any idea what I'm doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m10d6da5c < 1245431030 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ironically, you're asking this right as I'm writing a presentation on the JS typesystem :P ) < 1245431045 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize bitwise stuff is kinda hairy in JS, but looking at the docs this seems like it should work < 1245431059 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1245431085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Stay in here more often, man. :P < 1245431106 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwise stuff is actually fairly usable and consistent, so long as you never accidentally make things become floats. < 1245431107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't bite, we just do silly stuff. < 1245431114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Really!\n"); < 1245431116 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really! < 1245431123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, EgoBot agrees! < 1245431126 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just so much of a pain to connect to two servers. My Wifi is flaky. < 1245431137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Terrible. < 1245431148 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, looks right to me, what's happening? < 1245431203 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well, if you run it, it generates all the combinations like "a b c d e ab ac ad ae abc abd abe" < 1245431205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, you should always declare your variables. Undeclared variables in JS are the root of all evil) < 1245431212 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's not resetting the bitflags or something? < 1245431230 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245431247 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd. < 1245431254 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can see how that might lead to weird scoping-related shenanigans < 1245431255 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1245431263 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x' < 1245431266 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x' is global. < 1245431270 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you didn't declare it. < 1245431280 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you declare all your variables :P < 1245431282 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're fucking kidding < 1245431295 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would it work that way? < 1245431311 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative is PHP-style naming the variables you want to be global. < 1245431327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Or having sane scope rules. < 1245431331 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with it, IMHO, is that it doesn't absolutely require that all variables be declared. If it did there would be no problem. < 1245431343 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has sane scoping rules, but you can only get so sane when you don't require declarations. < 1245431356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl doesn't require declarations. < 1245431364 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so purely for my edification, could you rewrite it with declarations how you'd do it? < 1245431377 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Add "var x;" before the for loop. Done. < 1245431383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scope for an undeclared variable is... The current scope. < 1245431384 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it? < 1245431391 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Yup. < 1245431397 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's garbage. < 1245431409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You happily use x, then some idiot names a top-level variable x and everything breaks. < 1245431419 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Same with Python, and it's garbage there too. < 1245431420 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that fixed it < 1245431428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1245431429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is why you declare variables in Tcl. :P < 1245431436 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People haven't realized that requiring variable declarations is the /only/ fix to scoping issues. PERIOD. < 1245431456 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for that < 1245431477 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so few genuine advantages to having undeclared vars anyway < 1245431486 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bad coding practice < 1245431504 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be a convenience, but it always ends up being a trap *shrugs* < 1245431532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't happen to recall the details of Tcl's scoping rules, but I *think* global variables aren't actually... Global. < 1245431534 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like select statements that fall through one another without explicit breaks? < 1245431564 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: (I assume you mean cases) Heh, I wurve those :P < 1245431573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec while I check. < 1245431581 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I've had a ton of experience with them, and am extremely used to the intricacies. < 1245431590 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case select is one of my largest axes to grind < 1245431598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I'm right. < 1245431606 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like the syntax for any other control structure, damnit! < 1245431621 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: It's the syntax for labels and gotos. < 1245431623 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semantics, too. < 1245431629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global variables aren't global. To reference a global, you have to use $::foo, not $foo. < 1245431641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or type "global foo". < 1245431650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, that's disputably better. Sort of. < 1245431663 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requiring a global declaration is the PHP way < 1245431695 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Unrelated) DAMN YOU NOW I REALLY WANT TO HEAR O9 PLAYED BY HUMANS >_< < 1245431702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl's scoping rules get a bit tricky, since it's very, very much dynamically scoped. < 1245431744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upvar foo. Bam, now you can access foo in the calling proc. < 1245431867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ew :P < 1245431927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's to let the pass by name semantics work. < 1245431958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in lieu of pass-by-reference, you can pass by name.) < 1245431971 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1245432495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I think my cyclic tag in Rubicon is working < 1245432528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kevan.org/rubicon/game.php?level=rudofon < 1245432630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll improve it a bit before archiving it, though < 1245432732 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245433618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245433738 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1245433959 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245434678 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245434701 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you people(s) has opinion of patent? I think their should be no patent but you can disagree if you want to < 1245434716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for software patents, I agree < 1245434723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for patenting other things, I'm less sure < 1245434748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the log 09.06.19 has control characters that cannot be viewed as text and therefore is unviewable in my browser < 1245434752 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245434760 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245434771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am against *all* patents (it is on my Wikipedia user page) < 1245434787 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it's on your Wikipedia user page, then it's Truth. < 1245434914 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why whould some company not need a patent for a new drug which required several millions in investments to get those investments back < 1245434918 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :medcine is bad anyway < 1245434940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm annoyed that there isn't a better method to fund companies to produce drugs < 1245434943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there /ought/ to be one < 1245434947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I can't think of one < 1245434954 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Government funding? < 1245434965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drug patents are one of the few areas where the current patent system actually works *as designed*. < 1245434969 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one thing, my company will never patent anything nor allow anyone who runs my company to patent anything, and also not allow these things to be patented by other people/companies because the idea that could be patented are public domain instead < 1245434971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that the government are incompetent < 1245434976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter which government < 1245434986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the government is incompetent in a lot of things < 1245435040 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morse-Thue (or Thue-Morse) sequence in FlogScript: 29 characters. < 1245435041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just proved Rubicon Turing-complete, given an infinite playfield < 1245435044 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there are at least two types of patents, purely intelectual ones like 'tabs', and quite physical ones, like drugs mentioned above < 1245435045 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245435060 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the major difference is the amount of money invested to get that thing you want to patent < 1245435062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, drugs are relatively intellectual too < 1245435066 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-71-232-26-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245435075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can summarize a drug by its chemical formula < 1245435079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is short and simple to transmit < 1245435097 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: still, a lot of science is needed to get this formula. for tabs, just some hacker had to get this bright idea and then it was there < 1245435098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. Still, at least the damned patent system *does its job* with those. < 1245435104 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely physical artistic design non-functional patents should be somehow merged with the trademark system, and other patents should be abolished. < 1245435115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of fields (most of them, really) where the patent system doesn't work. < 1245435123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: I agree; the problem is that drugs are hugely expensive to set up in the first place < 1245435131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some sort of bounty system would work < 1245435147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patents may have worked in the past, but with the way things just are now, patents should no longer exist. < 1245435152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where drug companies, instead of patents, had exclusive rights to their drugs until they'd made a certain amount of profit < 1245435156 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am aware of this, there are just areas where patents allow research to go on < 1245435159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of software, because a patent system just plain doesn't work. In the case of most other things, because a patent application doesn't actually describe the invention. < 1245435173 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the real issue is software patents < 1245435178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they'd got the set amount of profit (which would be quite large, and allow them to recoup all their expenses), it would be opened up to competition < 1245435180 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilarious term limits on all patents < 1245435193 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"limits" < 1245435198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if term limits were sane, software patents would be too < 1245435207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sensible time limit for a software patent would be on the order of a couple of months < 1245435217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACMESTRESS: It's a patent on math. That's not the sole issue with the modern patent system, but it's a large one. < 1245435237 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, if you can deevelop the next generation of web browsing, it might be nice that microsoft can't steal it from you the day after you publish it :) < 1245435272 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody who develops 'the next generation of web browsing' and admits to it is a super duper crackpot < 1245435280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason software patents are unnecessary is that a fair length of time for them to be enforced is about the same length of time it'll take other companies to work out how to copy you anyway < 1245435281 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trademarks and limited copyright are good enough for my company, I won't need patents. For Free Software stuff it will use the normal copyright terms, for non-Free stuff it will use limited copyright terms, in order to make it more fair. < 1245435296 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACMESTRESS: meh, then replace it with a dynamic language as expressive as python, but twice as fast as C < 1245435300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the original purpose behind patents was to persuade people to publish details of their inventions < 1245435314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if Microsoft makes software to do the same thing as long as they do not deny me to do it also. < 1245435316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: twice as fast as C would be rather impressive < 1245435322 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: or perhaps a kind of chewing gum that allows you to grow a hand out of your rectum < 1245435328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, C isn't the fastest language theoretically possible, but I doubt it's twice as slow as that < 1245435336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. But with the current state of society that is no longer reasonable. < 1245435338 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are persons who cannot take some silly example as a silly example just to have a name for something < 1245435341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not just "original". A patent system that doesn't do that is unconstitutional. < 1245435350 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fastest language is the Osmosian < 1245435364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: With hand-assembled ASM. < 1245435398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: most of the countries in the world aren't bound by the US constitution < 1245435399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including mine < 1245435409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough. < 1245435417 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: most of the countries in the world aren't bound by the US constitution // OR ARE THEY < 1245435422 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing in machine codes are make the program run more faster if you know how to optimize the codes. < 1245435438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but nobody does, with modern processors < 1245435445 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably only for a single machine, though < 1245435446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, for some reason I assume that these discussions are limited to the US; I forget that it's not just the US being completely and utterly dumb. < 1245435446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly optimal hello world would probably take years < 1245435453 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or, rather, a single architecture < 1245435464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, the EU doesn't enforce software patents < 1245435473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland will allow you to file them anyway, but you can't sue over them < 1245435475 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make the Unpatentable Ideas List, where anyone can post ideas/inventions on that list and automatically makes it public domain and unpatentable. And then the computer will mix them up and make up its own ideas too. < 1245435497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Pity that prior art doesn't get to be a reason for a patent to not be accepted. < 1245435512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft has patents with prior art given in the application. < 1245435513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a reason in theory, but in practice, nobody checks < 1245435575 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ideas of "Unpatentable Ideas List" was already done by some people I think, or they are planning to, or something like that, but my idea is to add on to that, the computer will also make up its own ideas as well. < 1245435664 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacklisting is bad. Whitelisting is good. < 1245435667 0 :ehird_!n=ehird_@79-68-213-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245435675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird_ < 1245435678 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: freenode have permanently banned mibbit < 1245435681 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no apparent reason < 1245435683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1245435689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since yesterday? < 1245435697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on here via mibbit then < 1245435715 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im using the shitty pjirc, on a laptop where half the keys--including the apostrophe-- dont work < 1245435722 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my neighbours. since our phone line is broken. < 1245435723 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. I just use the (c: copy URL) function of my web-browser to view it downloading by wget. Vonkeror tells me the MIME type is application/octet-stream but wget tells me it is text/plain, why is that? < 1245435730 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yuh < 1245435732 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=306 < 1245435755 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, hi! at least, hi until my neighbour decides that theyd quite like their computer back. < 1245435775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: this is what I've been up to: http://kevan.org/rubicon/game.php?level=voladik < 1245435795 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be quite nice if pjirc supported clicking links. copy paste time with rubbish nipple mouse, ahoy < 1245435800 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does < 1245435801 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats nice < 1245435807 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesnt highlight them in any way. < 1245435819 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha that just gives you text to copy < 1245435822 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick ass irc client here < 1245435833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that computer have Java? < 1245435839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind it nearly as much as I mind Flash < 1245435844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a Java-based game < 1245435851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, a Turing-completeness proof for it < 1245435858 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, im talking via a java thingy. < 1245435865 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pjirc. worst client, evar < 1245435869 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic uses it too for their web chat < 1245435877 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try this < 1245435878 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use netcat then. < 1245435887 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if only it had netcat. < 1245435890 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has telnet. < 1245435895 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zzo38, half the keys dont work < 1245435901 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: does, but thats a miracle < 1245435905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: windows comes with Telnet, but you have to enable it for some reason < 1245435908 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can that telnet be placed in linemode? In character-mode it won't work well for IRC < 1245435908 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant even type an apostrophe! < 1245435914 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, not on the CLI < 1245435922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: yes on the CLI < 1245435929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to flip an option in the GUI somewhere first < 1245435934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the command-line telnet there < 1245435936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1245435937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default, it isn't there < 1245435941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and agreed, odd < 1245435948 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it physically the keyboard that is broken? < 1245435949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: id have thought youd prefer flash to java, it uses ecmascript < 1245435951 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1245435966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that Windows should come with Interix. < 1245435970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And deprecate Win32. < 1245435973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: Sun's security record is rather better than Adobe's < 1245435990 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have no idea how to play that game, but it runs! < 1245436008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: you know RUBE? < 1245436009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Java's also free software these days. < 1245436010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 -1]{.At{~*.97+2/Pc}%P_F<}~ < 1245436019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's quite a bit speedier than Flash. < 1245436019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: technically speaking, Flash is also an open standard < 1245436024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, they opened up the specs < 1245436033 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you looked at the draconian conditions on it < 1245436040 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they include "no third party implementations" < 1245436045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Those specs are only available for someone designing a Flash file creator. < 1245436045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: no, they relaxed the conditions < 1245436047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including that one < 1245436049 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i would quite like a question mark key, maybe ill buy a separate one < 1245436060 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: java is faster than flash, but applets are far more flickery and unreliable < 1245436061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY? < 1245436063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a seriously messed-up keyboard < 1245436071 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it has the keys, they just dont do anything < 1245436077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: That's a function of a bad plugin. < 1245436086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's pretty stable over here < 1245436096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does crash randomly every now and then claiming "out of memory" < 1245436096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, javas plugin IS bad. < 1245436104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's pretty stable and un-flickery over here. < 1245436106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: there's more than one < 1245436112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sun plugin and the open source one are the two main ones < 1245436114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here on Icedtea6. < 1245436121 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are implementations < 1245436124 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont call them "plugins" < 1245436132 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icedtea sucks royal ass anyway < 1245436134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: the implementations come with plugins < 1245436136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: They also have different plugins. < 1245436141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wha? < 1245436142 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1245436145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the fuck does icedtea suck ass? < 1245436152 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: last time i used icedtea it just didnt work with shit < 1245436164 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom of this laptop is hot enough to hurt when you touch it < 1245436172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you use? A pre-alpha SVN checkout? < 1245436173 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks it has a decidedly suboptimal cooling system < 1245436174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of laptop is that? < 1245436179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why aren't you on your own computer? < 1245436185 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an "ultraportable" from 2004 < 1245436186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works perfectly. < 1245436190 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not portable. :P < 1245436196 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5kg or so < 1245436200 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so regular 2009 laptop weight < 1245436208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I don't have any Flash on my computer, I have used FLASM to modify a game in Flash for someone once. < 1245436221 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and because our phone line is busted and i havent bothered trying to connect to this wireless network on my mac < 1245436230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, it is a 100% compliant Java implementation. ... Oh, yeah, and it's just a minor patch to the GPL Java dump that makes it work without proprietary junk) < 1245436230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im just using the laptop i used to grab the WPA key < 1245436240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealing wireless? < 1245436242 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mayhaps im thinking of another thing < 1245436242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or legit? < 1245436247 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stealing wireless with permission < 1245436253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: Maybe you're thinking of GCJ. < 1245436263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: as in, they said you could use it but didn't tell you the key? < 1245436272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a complete compiler, but doesn't have a complete runtime environment at all. < 1245436273 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: otherwise this would be a stolen laptop tooa < 1245436274 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1245436280 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre computer illiterate. so they just gave me it to get stuff. < 1245436284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I will also invent Hypernet. < 1245436287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: ah < 1245436314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HyperNet packets can be sent over any protocol or medium, is encrypted, uses mirrors and backups of files, and nobody can stop it from happening. < 1245436357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning atrapado was claiming that he was going to break all the world's encryption schemes < 1245436359 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just use astralnet; to insert, take the crc32 and the sha512 of a packet; this is the key < 1245436360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove to people that they were insecure < 1245436377 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to retrieve a packet, generate random strngs until then crc32 and sha512 match < 1245436385 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres actually a perl implementation :) < 1245436393 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now i have to logread, BAH! < 1245436450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... Impressive. < 1245436453 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "astralnet" seems not working well < 1245436484 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it works just fine; its just a bit slow < 1245436488 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1245436490 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot, simply cannot, stop a packet from being sent < 1245436506 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only likely failure - which is in itself extremely unlikely - is getting other data, probably garbage, back < 1245436517 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1245436526 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem very slow if the decryption worked like that. < 1245436603 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but reliable. < 1245436633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I disagree < 1245436642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits are there in a crc32 and sha512 hash together? < 1245436644 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HyperNet will be designed to use infinite-dimentional integer coordinates in a virtual Euclidean space with an origin, and use an encryption key as part of the URL. Also any service can have as many addresses and/or files as they want. < 1245436653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're bound to get loads of collisions even with relatively short packets < 1245436660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not a lot in absolute terms < 1245436669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're likely to hit collisions before you hit what you actually want < 1245436673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which will take millenia < 1245436675 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, you store encrypted copies of files you don't know what they are on many mirrors. < 1245436680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a transmission error occurred; you don't know which hash to trust < 1245436692 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, 512=512 bits < 1245436698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: use a hash of the hashes < 1245436710 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, URL format will be invented. The other format that will be invented is a way of indicating HyperNet file descriptors in a gopher menu. < 1245436711 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use like 128 byte packets. < 1245436740 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the host field could say @ and the port field gives the HyperNet descriptor for the file you want. < 1245436771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are two basic protocols on HyperNet, file protocol and command protocol. < 1245436802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking: add a third hash and find a string for which any two match; if the third doesn't, request a retransmission < 1245436817 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For interactive sessions, you would set up a session key and method of communication over HyperNet ahead of time, and then use phone or internet or whatever to enter the interactive mode (like telnet, for example). < 1245436845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, because CRC-32 can be reversed really easily < 1245436852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you'd need is to brute-force the SHA512 hash < 1245436865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow is that? < 1245436870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1245436879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no known method better than just trying every string < 1245436886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to try 2^512 strings on average < 1245436921 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the idea is that since 512 is slow, you use crc32 < 1245436926 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only 512 if that matches < 1245436930 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the crc is just an optimization < 1245437001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One security algorithm I invented (not sure how secure it is) is HEXARC, which is like ARCFOUR with the text running both reverse and forward, random amount of random garbage added on, and feedback in the coding. < 1245437025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is also longer. < 1245437055 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to test the strength of a crypto algorithm: < 1245437061 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Did you write it -> its insecure < 1245437073 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Did experienced cryptographers write it and is it generally considered secure -> it might be secure for now < 1245437075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fin < 1245437089 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. Really? Many pople wrote other algorithm, who is insecure? < 1245437103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0. If this is for DRM purposes, don't. < 1245437105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them, unless youre really good at cryptography. < 1245437107 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05:01 Do you people(s) has opinion of patent? I think their should be no patent but you can disagree if you want to < 1245437112 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abolish patents! Abolish copyright! < 1245437114 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? Sometimes it is found to be wrong that it isn't as secure as they thought it is < 1245437143 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRT the medicine argument - < 1245437143 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245437146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This algorithm is not for DRM purposes. < 1245437146 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre all idiots. < 1245437151 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the pirate party websitefor a rebuttal < 1245437175 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-71-232-26-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245437229 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:14:56 ACMESTRESS: meh, then replace it with a dynamic language as expressive as python, but twice as fast as C < 1245437233 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp on a good lisp machine < 1245437235 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can has patent < 1245437263 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the second and third issues, and I partially agree with the first issue. There should be a better way to reform copyright. But I agree with abolished patent system and right to privacy. < 1245437275 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ehird is reading logs, get ready for extreme out-of-context-argumentation < 1245437279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the Python program language. < 1245437281 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nose < 1245437299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, thou art silly. < 1245437302 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logreading over. < 1245437305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, þou art ſilly. < 1245437325 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only argue with those who are wrong :) < 1245437351 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: copyright doesnt need reform; whats the source of this belief that everything needs reforming and abolishment is never the right option < 1245437361 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if people said "the prohibition needs reform, not abolishment!" < 1245437378 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Pirate Party has good ideas but not enough to be a proper political party. < 1245437392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What prohibition? < 1245437418 0 :ehird_4!n=ehird_@79-68-213-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245437418 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think comparing the ban of alcohol and the investment required to research new drugs is a really nice comparision :) < 1245437419 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1245437421 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1245437426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They're already a proper political party. < 1245437435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_4: ehird_1, ehird_2, and ehird_3 turned up and left again < 1245437437 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: stfu and read the pirate partys rebuttal to that before spouting more nonsense < 1245437440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without much comment other than "hi" < 1245437444 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. Thanks for telling me. It just seemed to me that they couldn't be. < 1245437451 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: weird. what did zzo38 say about the pirate party < 1245437454 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_4: then give me a link, since, y'know, the pirates wiki aint small. < 1245437460 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: what < 1245437463 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: piratpartiet.se < 1245437468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_4: Also, the Pirate Party has good ideas but not enough to be a proper political party. < 1245437493 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_4: k, so you can't bother enough to just give me a link to this precise article. appears that your argumentation is serious enough < 1245437495 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: http://www.piratpartiet.se/an_alternative_to_pharmaceutical_patents < 1245437500 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: im on an unusable laptop < 1245437504 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop complaining < 1245437514 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pirate party are getting a seat in the european parliament < 1245437514 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good that Im psycic < 1245437525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term of copyright should be dependent on various things. Five years is too short, although the current terms are way too long. < 1245437538 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: good that you cant read what i said earlier < 1245437566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're going to have copyright apply to software, we need source escrow. < 1245437578 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good that I think this channel is nothing for me due to some persons < 1245437578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Release the source code once it hits public domain. < 1245437590 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1245437601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wha? < 1245437607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, file sharing and p2p over internet and stuff should remain as illegal as it is for copying of illegal stuff, however, the police and ISP and government and so on should not be allowed to care about such things, so you can do it as though it were legal if it is over the internet. < 1245437612 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tethas pissy that i existr < 1245437613 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1245437614 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1245437620 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck you too tetha :) < 1245437640 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what < 1245437647 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it should be illegal but no punishment or enforcement" < 1245437651 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, uh < 1245437654 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be legal. < 1245437659 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there should not be complete ban on DRM, but instead there should be forced to be warning labels about DRM on products (like food warning labels are), and also make it perfectly legal to remove DRM, complain, circumvent, tell other people how, and so on. < 1245437706 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't mean it should be legal. What it means is that if you go to a store on a street corner or whatever that that is what they do even if no money or any other sort of payment, the police can still arrest them. < 1245437725 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ummm, what < 1245437740 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it is simply a generic service (like random HyperNet transfers over disk), the police can't do anything about it < 1245437838 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum dum < 1245437892 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1245437929 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-commercial use should be freely available for private uses, even among other people who it is not a public service. How "private" that some things should be considered can be debated, but don't make it too restrictive or too non-restrictive, you need the right balance to make things considered privately. < 1245437980 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this would also mean, if you go to library to photocopy something, you are allowed to make as much photocopying as you want to as long as you pay the fee for each sheet of paper you make copies. < 1245437995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, the library photocopying fee, not the copyright fee) < 1245438043 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, books and files and stuff should include the author's addresses so that you can still choose to pay the author as much money as you want, regardless of how those things were being obtained. < 1245438061 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course that is not a law, it is just a suggestion that authors must follow) < 1245438074 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1245438124 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-154.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1245438156 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "patent and trademark office" would become just the "trademark office". That's good things. < 1245438207 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, things cannot change so immediately, there needs to be a transition period. < 1245438222 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One year should be enough transition period. < 1245438301 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrorists can take away my life, but they cannot take away my freedom. Only the government can take away your freedom. < 1245438342 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is like an opinion and anecdote machine < 1245438345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if terrorists kidnap you rather than kill you? < 1245438345 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add water! < 1245438363 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he has the freedom to squirm around a bit and quote the constitution < 1245438365 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1245438382 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they gagged him. < 1245438383 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then only the first ne < 1245438384 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one < 1245438434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This political party is still probably just as incompetent as any other, even though they have good intentions. < 1245438468 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piratpartiet is small enough and close enough to TPB that theyre competent < 1245438491 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245438519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks zzo38 is ignorant of how the law is implemented... < 1245438519 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. But if they are small enough they can't really become a proper political party without much difficulty. < 1245438547 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dude, they won a seat in the european parliament < 1245438555 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a huge turnout < 1245438566 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and they have the 3rd biggest membership count in sweden < 1245438568 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all the parties < 1245438586 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened in like a month or two < 1245438607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, nopaste's shut down < 1245438613 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they are an exception to the general rule of that, which is good. However one seat isn't everything (but it can be improved later, of rcourse). < 1245438662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One seat after 4 years. < 1245438666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's phenomenal. < 1245438670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1245438671 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES! < 1245438679 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what will anmaster terrorize me with now < 1245438706 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am anti-anti-terrorist < 1245438719 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k bye; zzo38: you oppose people who oppose terrorists < 1245438720 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1245438727 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im anti-anti-rapist! < 1245438733 0 :ehird_4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1245438754 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people do not understand my pokemon philosophies, probably people will not understand my other thing that very well either. < 1245438902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245439338 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245439520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1245440401 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-92-173.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1245440458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION senses something dark and foul-smelling < 1245440475 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mommy? < 1245440491 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it me? < 1245440501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a winner! < 1245440509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foul-smelling one, but nevertheless < 1245440522 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245440522 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245440522 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245440536 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative nick I accidentally got on furnet < 1245440561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally? < 1245440579 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They change your nick to some bullshit if you forget to identify < 1245440604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245440626 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish GuestShadowSkunk < 1245440626 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GooestShedooSkoonk < 1245440839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deduces the actual swedish is GästSkuggoSkunk < 1245440851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure about the o < 1245440864 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish GooestShedooSkoonk < 1245440865 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GuuestSheduuSkuunk < 1245440930 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245440930 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245440935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish GuuestSheduuSkuunk < 1245440936 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GooooestShedooooSkoooonk < 1245440942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish GooooestShedooooSkoooonk < 1245440943 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GuuuuestSheduuuuSkuuuunk < 1245440949 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish u < 1245440950 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1245440954 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish ue < 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:oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish goest < 1245440997 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guest < 1245441037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish oooooooooooooooooooooo < 1245441038 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1245441043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish _o < 1245441044 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_oo < 1245441050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish o < 1245441051 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1245441055 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245441056 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish _u < 1245441057 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_u < 1245441062 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is learning Swedish. < 1245441066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish _o_ < 1245441066 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | < 1245441066 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         /`\ < 1245441066 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_oo_ < 1245441072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1245441076 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish _u_ < 1245441077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_u_ < 1245441080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vad konstigt < 1245441161 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish \oo/ < 1245441162 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oo/ < 1245441168 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish \uu/ < 1245441169 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\uu/ < 1245441173 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish \o/ < 1245441174 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid 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:EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boott < 1245442917 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally how we say butt in swedish < 1245442975 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish that's totally how we say butt in swedish < 1245442976 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thet's tutelly hoo ve-a sey boott in svedeesh < 1245443383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Swedish Fish < 1245443384 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svedeesh Feesh < 1245443419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedise Come and see the møøse! < 1245443459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Titta på älgen! < 1245443524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1245443552 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1245443689 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1245443916 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!n=Rodger@c-71-232-26-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245443916 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245444007 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1245444975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1245444999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jello! < 1245445019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is connected via said neighbour's wifi, but on a decent mac now. < 1245445023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls there are apples < 1245445041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, uh, not the fastest connection. < 1245445063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, it seems to be quite fast. < 1245445065 0 :saburo!n=y@dsdf-5d82fa8d.pool.einsundeins.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245445084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crunch* < 1245445086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come see the møøse?! :o < 1245445088 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird. < 1245445093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2 megabytes/sec (= 9.6 megabits) < 1245445094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1245445095 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish moose < 1245445096 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muuse-a < 1245445097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hai < 1245445099 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not points-free programming < 1245445103 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying. < 1245445106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are møøse in the høøse! < 1245445116 0 :saburo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, and: indeed! < 1245445119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moose loose aboot this hoose < 1245445119 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :børk børk? < 1245445125 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1245445130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirds turnd canadian D: < 1245445133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245445134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scottish. < 1245445138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they get løøse? < 1245445141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it's composing just minimal programs together < 1245445143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it is point-free programming < 1245445165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. pointsfree composes functions without reference to their arguments < 1245445180 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the functions are not complete programs < 1245445203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's shell programming :) < 1245445206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, points free "avg" in J is +/ % # < 1245445206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: define complete prorgam < 1245445208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program < 1245445213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function = program < 1245445215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a complete program, nor is its parts < 1245445217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program in unix is just: < 1245445223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[String] -> (String,Int,etc) < 1245445232 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is that i could take each thing that i compose, run it, and it would perform some full computation. < 1245445239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "program" in the fully-fledged executable sense is not a particularly interesting extension < 1245445254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1245445268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not mean to compose functions without arguments < 1245445284 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to compose fully specified bits of code in some fashion < 1245445291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION generalizes augur's idea < 1245445298 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey? < 1245445298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose entire computers! < 1245445303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw can I just say that +/ % # is one of the most beautiful pieces of code? < 1245445304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1245445314 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, you can. < 1245445320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good; because it is < 1245445321 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its rather sexy. < 1245445332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's +/%# unreadable though < 1245445344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho J's use of that is, i think, rather limited. < 1245445348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: composing computers, hm. < 1245445350 0 :saburo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the that belong with the code? < 1245445354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :composing turing machines < 1245445380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines are less complicated than programs, not more < 1245445384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: J does both point-free and also forks where ((v1 v2 v3) x) = ((v1 x) v2 (v3 x)) < 1245445390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fairly complete tacit programming toolset < 1245445392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just String -> Maybe String, really < 1245445392 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true. < 1245445410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm forget the Maybe < 1245445412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 oerjan: it's +/%# unreadable though ← i know this was a joke, but it's really not :) < 1245445415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking of non-termination < 1245445428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just vocabulary < 1245445428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i know, ehird. but forks are so trivial < 1245445436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, english has forks. < 1245445444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is add, / modifies the previous verb to fold, % divides and # is length < 1245445457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"addition fold divided by length" < 1245445463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition fold = sum < 1245445464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooning your program, now < 1245445466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sum divided by length" < 1245445466 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually isnt +/ a predefined function, not an on-the-fly modify? < 1245445468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mean < 1245445469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nope < 1245445472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: / is an adverb < 1245445474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: (anything)/ works < 1245445476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1245445492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance: < 1245445498 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1245445503 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J would be sexy with some hardcore language-y aspects. < 1245445511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm forget that example < 1245445515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it does have those, though! < 1245445517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just very subtle < 1245445526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems trivial at first, but generally you just get a gloss < 1245445531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actual concepts are very deep and simple < 1245445540 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i understand which ones it does have < 1245445549 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are trivial compared to what real languages do < 1245445555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1245445563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: minimalist extensibility trumps all in the end, though < 1245445570 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1245445573 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at CCG < 1245445585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a very minimal extension on top of lambda calculus < 1245445588 0 :saburo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1245445594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define CCG < 1245445597 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a layer of syntactic function application < 1245445602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(combinatory categorial grammar) < 1245445618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrms < 1245445632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i've always considered linguistics akin to making a formal semantics out of PHP :) < 1245445637 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result of this is that in CCG, theres like a bajillion crazy but simply-computed ways of saying something < 1245445642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that's a prejudiced view < 1245445645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just my intuitive feeling < 1245445646 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no ehird < 1245445656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve never seen syntax < 1245445660 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its beautiful. < 1245445668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure english's is :P < 1245445675 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised < 1245445690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, for all its hodge podge ness, is incredibly formulaic. < 1245445710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: modulo a few billion special cases < 1245445717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not syntactically < 1245445721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true < 1245445724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special cases are almost entirely the domain of morphology < 1245445729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is linguistics just syntax or sth? < 1245445740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, syntax is a field of linguistics < 1245445751 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its /my/ domain so its all i care about ;) < 1245445765 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1245445773 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special cases are sort of like pattern matching < 1245445784 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we were viewing this from a parsing perspective < 1245445789 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have some general rule like < 1245445797 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N + z = plural < 1245445815 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might have some special case like N[+saxon] + en = plural < 1245445833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what? thats just like a haskell case analysis: < 1245445847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N[+saxon] + en = plural < 1245445847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N[_] + z = plural < 1245445859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yeah, but too many pattern matches are considered inelegant in haskell too < 1245445863 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1245445883 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in linguistics. < 1245445901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we try to unify as many phenomena as possible, when they seem like they can be unified. < 1245445935 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, brains are powerful, and not everything is a unified phenomena < 1245445944 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-178-070.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1245445995 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can teach you some syntax if you want. < 1245446035 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245446048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not atm < 1245446057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no i dont mean right now < 1245446060 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever. < 1245446126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1245446239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually writing a series of blog posts on the history of syntactic theory, if you want to read it. its probably more for linguists than non-linguistics but you're smart so whoknows < 1245446268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've only mentioned that and linked it to me 7 times now ;) < 1245446270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:) < 1245446272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna do it again?????? < 1245446272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245446282 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O SHURE < 1245446738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1245446793 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245447172 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1245447507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digg is advertising on reddit's job board < 1245447508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1245447626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1245447642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, some generic advert thing? Like google ads or similar? < 1245447647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1245447650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they posted a job ad :) < 1245447664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake? < 1245447670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1245447721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how can you be sure? < 1245447728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm not an idiot < 1245447731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mhm < 1245447735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to this ad? < 1245447735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redditjobs.com/Jobs/Account-Executive-acb537a627cc48b88ca7ab157d6f7692.aspx < 1245447812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do reddit check that they aren't fake? I guess so < 1245447824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it fucking costs to post an ad < 1245447831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does a fake job ad get you < 1245447832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1245447834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how much? < 1245447840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "lulz"? < 1245447840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $300 for 30 days. < 1245447843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1245447846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for that much < 1245447856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's no lulz to be had over a fake job, vs, say, a troll craigslist posting < 1245447858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it would have been like $10 I could have believed that < 1245447875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lets wait for slashdot posting there too! < 1245447877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not sure their mothers would agree to let them use their credit cards for that ;-) < 1245447895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re 21:44 AnMaster: if it would have been like $10 I could have believed that ) < 1245447898 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trolls trolling trolls < 1245447907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollsing trolling trollsies < 1245447914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sadly I suspect some grown up would do it. Or I guess they could have stolen the card. < 1245447926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from their mother) < 1245447943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiots exist. It's a fact. Sadly. < 1245447954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you seriously think someone over 18 would pay $10 for the amazing hilarity of... posting a job ad that in all ways resembles a real one without any thing that could make it funny? < 1245447959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be your defective sense of humour speaking here < 1245447968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Trolls trolling trolls < 1245447969 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trulls trulleeng trulls < 1245448013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish toll < 1245448014 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tull < 1245448016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's troll in Swedish too actually < 1245448017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx < 1245448018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1245448021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect translation < 1245448022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Explorer: Better because we said so. < 1245448024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you knew that one would work < 1245448026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1245448027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1245448046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their argument against firefox being extensible is as follows: < 1245448053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't need to extend IE because we already have features." < 1245448056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually... Only for some meanings of toll iirc < 1245448060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF DURF < 1245448078 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAAAAAAAAAAAAAWL < 1245448082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245448085 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the extreme vagueness of the categories. < 1245448096 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox doesn't have "security"! Oh nose! < 1245448106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what so you call the guys that check your passport and such when you cross a border. < 1245448111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check luggage too sometimes. < 1245448115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anal-retentitive? < 1245448120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*badum, tish!* < 1245448121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :customs inspectors < 1245448121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, the English word < 1245448121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, IE8 is the best IE yet. < 1245448126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ais523 said. < 1245448130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It finally caught up to the Mozilla Suite! < 1245448142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's going a bit too far! < 1245448148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1.0) < 1245448178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's the best IE in much the same way that this shit is the best I've had all night now that the diarrhea is fading :-P < 1245448184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, Swedish tull and English toll only partially overlap in meanings. tull in Swedish can also refer to the customs < 1245448185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that is an incredibly strained analogy. < 1245448185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Neither Firefox nor Chrome provide guidance or enterprise tools." < 1245448192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in where the custom inspectors work) < 1245448200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) if that was true, it would be an advantage for Firefox and Chrome IMO; b) ever heard of FrontMotion? < 1245448201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can't refer to a toll bridge I think < 1245448206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i love how they think chrome is an actual worthy competitor :) < 1245448211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE EVERYONE USES CHROME < 1245448214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worrying thing is, it is < 1245448224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not as far as market share, no way < 1245448228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be "avgiftsbelagd bro" or something like that < 1245448230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the suspicion's that Google are trying to persuade OEMs to ship Chrome as default browser < 1245448237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Microsoft are trying to persuade them the other way < 1245448239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually the translation was from norwegian, not english ;D < 1245448258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when i thought of it < 1245448266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1245448267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self Reference $: _ _ _ < 1245448267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$: denotes the longest verb that contains it. < 1245448268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1245448270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wackiest recursion method evar < 1245448275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, Chrome had the fastest market-share gain rate ever for a web browser, IIRC < 1245448295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not odd. Linked from google's main web page a lot. < 1245448297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1245448299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that was just hype. < 1245448302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen it there for a while < 1245448313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really, chrome isn't going anywhere atm < 1245448322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd bet safari for windows probably has it beat < 1245448327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Research proves that Internet Explorer 8 catches almost twice as much malware than the competition. That's "less secure?" < 1245448339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Safari for Windows is terrible < 1245448348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was only installed due to deceptiveness in the iTunes installer < 1245448353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1245448365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was stupid, but much more minor than made out to be < 1245448368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safari for Windows is a test for Cocoa on Win32. < 1245448370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's actually quite popular, despite being terrible < 1245448376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fission mailed < 1245448380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't get why it would be < 1245448383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, come on guys. RESPECT THE PLATFORM! < 1245448388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /shrug. It just is. < 1245448402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari on windows just makes my eyes sore < 1245448409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, IE does have addons: http://ieaddons.com/en/ < 1245448410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you think they will make public the research in question on request? < 1245448412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it has any useful ones < 1245448413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: old < 1245448417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1245448425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it is just pure faked < 1245448428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there used to be tons of underground ones < 1245448433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's unlikely to be faked < 1245448435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : adblock No items match your search. < 1245448440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? what then? < 1245448444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just biased. < 1245448448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: windows passing POSIX < 1245448452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they're blocking them, then < 1245448461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah probably < 1245448461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, "blocking malware" is vague < 1245448462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as more or less all browsers in existence have some form of adblock nowadays < 1245448470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox doesn't do that out of the box, as far as I know < 1245448472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "catching malware" is even funnier < 1245448485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54 ais523: as more or less all browsers in existence have some form of adblock nowadays ← krrr! broken statistic < 1245448488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox and opera do. < 1245448493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Konqueror < 1245448495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome doesn't. safari does, but only on mac afaik < 1245448496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Windows passes POSIX when it has the POSIX subsystem installed, to be specific. < 1245448499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it does warn you for some black listed domains, some list fetched from google or such iirc < 1245448499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and konqueror < 1245448503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tiny amount < 1245448505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basing it on ones I know about < 1245448511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And to be fair, the POSIX subsystem in question is in fact a mildly quirky UNIX. < 1245448515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with a well hidden "go there anyway" button < 1245448518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and you disabled that in case people see things like sourceforge.net, right? :D < 1245448519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lynx does by not being able to render them < 1245448529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be spying on your illicit open source downloads < 1245448531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err? < 1245448543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the list, IIRC, involves sending your every request domain to google < 1245448546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it downloads a list from google < 1245448547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1245448549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may have changed that < 1245448550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I thought the firefox list fetched from Google had been discontinued < 1245448554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stores it in urlclassifier3.sqlite < 1245448557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that it used to be opt-in < 1245448559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? really? < 1245448559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an option on install < 1245448568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, because two years ago < 1245448568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it definitely used to send your every request. I think. < 1245448579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the computers were configured, they installed Firefox every time you used it < 1245448580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, used to yes. But doesn't any more < 1245448582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari does that malware thing < 1245448588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly irritating as the site is never malicious < 1245448592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should turn it off < 1245448598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it definitely updated more recently than 2 years ago < 1245448606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait, I misread that I think < 1245448611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did < 1245448638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me something to code in J, i'm bored. < 1245448672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: insertion sort < 1245448676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a replacement for firefox that isn't using more than 50 MB RAM to view even the most bloated pages, up to 50 tabs < 1245448699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: something that doesn't involve rewriting one of the primitives in a bad fashion, preferably < 1245448705 0 :ACMESTRESS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Nobody likes a quitter!" < 1245448711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: would you like a halting checker while you're at it? < 1245448724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I think it's interesting to see how various sorting algos are implemented < 1245448728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw i'm pretty sure you could get opera to use 50MB of ram with <50 tabs as long as the pages aren't ridiculous < 1245448732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just realised that that doesn't fit J very well < 1245448737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: insertion sort is quite procedural < 1245448738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1245448742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah, that is impossible. While what I suggested is merely incredibly hard and time consuming < 1245448757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely do it I think, but recomputing instead of caching in memory < 1245448758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it's not < 1245448766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think w3m can manage what you request < 1245448769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "the most bloated pages" necessarily take >50MB < 1245448776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it can manage 50 tabs, but I've definitely done 3 before now < 1245448776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't request anything, sir < 1245448779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most bloated *current* ones < 1245448789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok mr vague man < 1245448792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry, AnMaster's request < 1245448805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway just go buy some ram < 1245448806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1245448815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what about a Cyclexa parser? < 1245448828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who would insertion sort be hard < 1245448835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about quick sort then < 1245448837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: J isn't too hot with strings. I'm kind of looking for something quite simple and mathematical. Involving arrays, since that's what J does. < 1245448840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I didn't say it'd be hard. < 1245448848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not J's explicit forte. < 1245448856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is J good at then < 1245448864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Arrays, matrices and mathematics. < 1245448865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays iirc? So sorting an array? < 1245448870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It has a sort primitive. < 1245448874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FYI: < 1245448874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quicksort=: (($:@(<#[) , (=#[) , $:@(>#[)) ({~ ?@#)) ^: (1<#) < 1245448878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the manual < 1245448903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what about a random array shuffle? < 1245448908 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LU-decomposition < 1245448910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a primitive too? < 1245448915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not mathematical < 1245448919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can do it easily < 1245448923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it involves using foreigns < 1245448930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any language using unbalanced brackets, square brackets, or similar. AND WHICH ISN'T AN ESOLANG, is seriously messed up < 1245448932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1245448943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about unbalanced angle brackets? < 1245448943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is J an esolang? < 1245448951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1245448957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A language using square brackets is messed up? < 1245448959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's nice. your petty concerns about what syntax you think should, familiarly, match up, are seen, considered, and disregarded for being fucking stupid < 1245448962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or j ust unbalanced ones. < 1245448962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1245448975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the way J does it certainly is < 1245448985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but show me some one that isn't < 1245448989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG!! IT USES CHARACTERS I'M NOT USED TO AS NAMES!! < 1245448993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!! < 1245448999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Shaddup and do LU decomposition < 1245448999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was looking more for things like "implement CA 101" < 1245448999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean <>? well since they can read as "greater than" or "less than"... < 1245449005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it may be debatable < 1245449007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set foo [bar] < 1245449011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in that case, do cyclic tag < 1245449015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hey, you know what? < 1245449020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mathematics is "seriously messed up". < 1245449023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a,b) OH GOD < 1245449028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I agree < 1245449032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that construct < 1245449037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(la la la, la, reductio ad-fucking-absurdum, la la la la...) < 1245449042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I always thought it looked messed up typographically < 1245449042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mayhaps < 1245449044 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1245449048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned it before in this channel < 1245449052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check logs for 2006-2009 < 1245449055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in there < 1245449055 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-067-213.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245449058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1245449064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thx < 1245449070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you came here 2007, why would you talk in 2006 < 1245449070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I fail to see "reductio ad-fucking-absurdum" here < 1245449080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which? < 1245449083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT? < 1245449090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure it wasn't late 2006? < 1245449095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong though < 1245449097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was 2007. < 1245449098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: BCT is one notation for it < 1245449105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, from 2007 to 2009 < 1245449106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not picky about notation, but BCT would do fine < 1245449109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you claim J sucks because of that, you must also claim mathematics does too < 1245449115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you seriously claim that, you're deluded < 1245449119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say J sucked < 1245449131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said *it's syntax* in that specific example did < 1245449133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've always misunderstood how the cycling works < 1245449138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it is syntax < 1245449139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbalanced [] () {} look so messy < 1245449154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err no. " AnMaster: if you claim J sucks because of that, you must also claim mathematics does too" < 1245449160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word syntax isn't in that line < 1245449163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*it's syntax". < 1245449164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :P < 1245449168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—You. < 1245449181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, he said any non-esoteric language using syntax like that "is seriously messed up" < 1245449184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: basically, imagine the program repeated an infinite number of times < 1245449185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its then < 1245449190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parse and run that < 1245449192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes I did < 1245449197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't the data cyclic? < 1245449200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, messed up syntax wise to be specific < 1245449204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but OK; that's easy enough < 1245449210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just store the original program < 1245449221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's how everyone does it < 1245449222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, implementing BCT involves explicit loops as far as I can tell < 1245449224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1245449225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the data's a queue < 1245449226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or someone is doing IOCCC or similar, which is an abuse of the language, but allowed in such a context < 1245449227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, being messed up and having messed-up syntax sound somewhat different to me. < 1245449246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like J's whole loopless concept < 1245449257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not going to work for certain types of problems < 1245449261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the syntax is usually (insert disclaimer about lisp and some other langs) pretty major part of most languages < 1245449268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in Mathematica, it's meant to be rare to loop there < 1245449273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally you have to do anyway < 1245449292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I suppose so, yeah. < 1245449293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, J's provably TC even without using its loop constructs < 1245449297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does J have anything like map? fold? < 1245449304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: almost certainly < 1245449311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite arrays? < 1245449317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: map/fold is the whole damn basis of j,. < 1245449317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite lists* < 1245449320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no. < 1245449320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: agreed, but you'd end up implementing loops using the other primitives < 1245449321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1245449326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1245449371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you implement a REPL in J. That would require some sort of main loop, wouldn't it? < 1245449393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... < 1245449403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be a REPL for some other lang, so answer like "use the one built-in in J" isn't valid < 1245449409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if J has a REPL, I don't know) < 1245449413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it up on Wikipedia, I don't feel like attempting to bash you out of the idiotic imperative paradigm. < 1245449422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be akin to bashing my brains out. (on a wall.) < 1245449426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, functional too? < 1245449436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Erlang is not purely functional, no. < 1245449440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want a REPL? < 1245449443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true it isn't < 1245449447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've seen your Erlang code. It is very much not functional. < 1245449449 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION huggles Haskell. < 1245449450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I was thinking about scheme in fact < 1245449452 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPLs are for losers. < 1245449452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write C, in Erlang. < 1245449467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't. I did in the beginning yes. < 1245449482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes time to get into the paradigm of a language. < 1245449483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you pastebin only your really old code then? < 1245449484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strang. < 1245449485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. < 1245449489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1245449503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember when I last pastebinned erlang code here. Must have been quite a while ago < 1245449507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several weeks at least < 1245449524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang's strange in that the syntax is almost identical to Prolog, but the semantics rather different < 1245449637 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@82.14.18.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245449729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durm und Strang < 1245449761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1245449761 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245449761 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\ < 1245449776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about it < 1245449784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't you intentionally typo that < 1245449805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, plus erlang is process oriented. I admit my code probably is too single-threaded still. But I'm working on changing that too. Mostly in the ATHR branch of efunge. In in-between I haven't so far found places that would gain from multiple processes yet. A bit hard to profile the effect of that with just a single single-core CPU. < 1245449805 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < bu-n < 1245449806 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245449806 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   >\ < 1245449813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: was a pun, duh < 1245449821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not sure what "strang" would be there < 1245449830 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1245449831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245449831 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245449832 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   >\ < 1245449841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's because you have only 3 lines of context < 1245449842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all fail to line up here btw. < 1245449849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.o> < 1245449859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o> < 1245449859 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245449859 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   >\ < 1245449892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh that above. I parsed the correction and discarded the original once done. Didn't see any reason to care more about it. Forgot it already by the time you made that pun. < 1245449934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245449934 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1245449935 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /< < 1245449936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage Collection (of the brain) Considered Harmful < 1245449943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you were leaving your tags unclosed < 1245449962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah. Usually works just fine. < 1245449963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought was self-closing like
< 1245449963 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | < 1245449964 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            /| < 1245449972 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:
isn't self-closing, get with XHTML < 1245449975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is the leg position just random? < 1245449981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm all SGML here < 1245449986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGML SUCKS < 1245449986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, :) < 1245449990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1245450008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGML sucks unless you support shorttags too < 1245450009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245450011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh: this year's ICFP is June 26-29 < 1245450011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245450018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19 GregorR-L: Deewiant:
isn't self-closing, get with XHTML 22:19 GregorR-L: SGML SUCKS < 1245450021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML 5 bitches < 1245450024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245450024 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245450024 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1245450033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting at 13:00:16 CDT for some unknown reason < 1245450040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is the HTML5 standard finished yet? < 1245450049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245450049 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1245450049 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /| < 1245450059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is it final? No. Is there a large portion that won't be changing? Yes. < 1245450071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'll wait for the final standard then < 1245450073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ETA? < 1245450073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there good browser interoperability for a sizable subset of this portion? Yep. < 1245450089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The standard will be utterly immutable come 2012. < 1245450092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or somethng. < 1245450097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who waits until then to use it is an idiot. < 1245450112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1245450131 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're the only person those show up for properly on XChat :P < 1245450140 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :___o___ < 1245450140 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1245450140 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     |\ < 1245450145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1245450147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, and Rakudo now implements 68% of the Perl6 spec, according to its tests < 1245450150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<___o___> < 1245450150 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      | < 1245450150 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      >\ < 1245450154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nick length < 1245450156 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt___o___butt < 1245450156 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1245450156 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /'\ < 1245450163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1245450165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butt, butt and penis. < 1245450167 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing. < 1245450169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so misaligned < 1245450174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)__o___( < 1245450174 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1245450174 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1245450174 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    /'\ < 1245450180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that < 1245450183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: get a non-xchat client < 1245450188 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here would do a shot of bactine for $50 < 1245450198 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C===8_o_8===D < 1245450198 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1245450198 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        |\ < 1245450207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: lol wat < 1245450223 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wouldy you? < 1245450241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. probably not, no. < 1245450246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=o= < 1245450247 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100? < 1245450250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1245450252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1245450259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o- < 1245450259 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1245450259 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/< < 1245450282 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how much? < 1245450284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't use xchat, but I still like that style < 1245450288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I use it in every client < 1245450291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to read < 1245450292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: $sideways 8, perhaps. < 1245450304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: why; are you offering? < 1245450315 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just curious if anybody would do a shot of bactine for $50 < 1245450397 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is bactine something I'd know about if I was from the UK? :P < 1245450398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "topical", that means it's supposed to be outside the skin, right? or maybe just local... < 1245450412 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topical means applied to the skin, yes. < 1245450429 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike tropical, which means applied to sunburns. Hyuk hyuk. < 1245450456 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In medicine, a topical medication is applied to body surfaces such as the skin or mucous membranes, for example the vagina, anus, throat, eyes and ears. // thank you wikipedia for describing this in the creepiest way possible. < 1245450495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i googled bactine and it appears to like, be put on cuts < 1245450505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it fucks you up if you inject it... < 1245450512 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1245450578 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.13% benzoalkonium chloride, 2.5% lidocaine hydrochloride < 1245450591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% heroin < 1245450614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Eyes? Owww... < 1245450635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it starts with vagina and anus < 1245450637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND HUH < 1245450685 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In medicine, lubricant is applied to body surfaces such as the skin or mucous membranes, for example the vagina, anus, throat, eyes and ears. // thank you wikipedia for describing this in the creepiest way possible. < 1245450693 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, didn't need to copy my comment :P < 1245450701 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245450758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone already did the copying it seems < 1245450770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:31 GregorR-L: Whoops, didn't need to copy my comment :P // thank you GregorR-L for describing this in the creepiest way possible. < 1245450824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot noses *sniffle* < 1245450825 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original goes from "most creepy" to "least creepy", whereas mine goes from "least creepy" to "most creepy" :P < 1245450844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um they are exactly the same order < 1245450858 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the different choice of words at the BEGINNING of the sentence ;) < 1245450873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1245450876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1245450886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lube up my ears < 1245450909 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you go black, you go deaf." - Family Guy < 1245450932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you go deaf, you never go black < 1245450935 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*POOF* < 1245450937 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1245450944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA < 1245450972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn he escaped < 1245450975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1245450985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, another one! < 1245451016 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0117/0117_allinone.asp < 1245451020 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssssssssss < 1245451153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how chick tracts start out reasonable < 1245451159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the reasonable characters all go to hell < 1245451176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Jack Chick. < 1245451182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't know better, I'd say it was parody. < 1245451185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or satire. < 1245451297 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got handed a jack chick tract today < 1245451302 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the boston common < 1245451308 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside an "old school revival" tent < 1245451357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1245451364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You're in Boston? < 1245451377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've hunted you down when I was there last summer. < 1245451461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but CESSMASTER only arrived hear like a few days ago. < 1245451462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't he? < 1245451474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1245451476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about a week soon I think? < 1245451481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, very recently < 1245451505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1245451514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's *not* someone who has randomly changed nicks. < 1245451519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1245451523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IS HE < 1245451531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes a fist < 1245451532 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are true < 1245451541 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did come here only recently < 1245451546 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do like to change nicks for the hell of it < 1245451569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But man, that Chick Tract < 1245451569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very well it manages to fuck with history. < 1245451617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Biblical text -- but most wackjobs of the Christian sort manage to do that pretty stunningly. < 1245451637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "chick tract" seems to be some right wing fundamentalist comic if I understood it right from glancing at the link and checking wikipedia? < 1245451651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, AnMaster. Perpetually clueless, perpetually without context. < 1245451664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will my senses be numbed to your every word; let it be soon. < 1245451690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in Christian fundamentalist... < 1245451697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1245451705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1245451722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right wing Christian fundamentalist. There's more fundamentalists than just Christians. < 1245451731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes there are < 1245451742 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all… гniversity is evil… :\\\ < 1245451745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're all about as sensible. < 1245451745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is why I clarified I didn't mean muslim fundamentalist for example < 1245451748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rniversity! < 1245451749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah < 1245451760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err no < 1245451763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't r < 1245451766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was different < 1245451766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1245451768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looked like r. < 1245451777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is "г"? < 1245451783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode line art? < 1245451789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other script? < 1245451792 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1245451798 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kinda like a capital gamma < 1245451800 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably not < 1245451819 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cyrillic small letter ghe" < 1245451824 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close, huh? < 1245451828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upyr presumably speaks that language < 1245451835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so his keyboard lets him type it easily < 1245451836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, typos < 1245451838 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pupyr < 1245451841 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1245451846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for what? :) < 1245451871 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ghe :) < 1245451874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't read more of that track; so bad. < 1245451890 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it combines all of the bible belt fears < 1245451896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you are a cd drive? < 1245451900 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communists, catholics, muslims < 1245451901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1245451905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/track/tract/ < 1245451938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roman Catholic conspiracy... *Right*. < 1245451981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that these people manage to look less reasonable than an organisation thnat is known for denying a heliocentric model of the solar system? < 1245452046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnitmynetisslow < 1245452051 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a stealth loony is hard < 1245452070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, latency is low though < 1245452077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if bw is low too < 1245452100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is so fun < 1245452118 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just wacky enough < 1245452178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's between the house and the world, the ping only reaches nvg which is outside < 1245452201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your packets take less time than mine. < 1245452207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine go to space and back. < 1245452209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, shaddup. < 1245452234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you want to mention your satellite internet once more? < 1245452249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: SATELLITE BEATS DIALUP LAWLZ < 1245452318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you never returned my ping < 1245452338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1245452342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, correct < 1245452374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending but not responding is a swattable offense -----### < 1245452386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ever been at the receiving end of what might be called "DDoCtP"? < 1245452414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("distributed denial of connection through ping", yes I just made it up) < 1245452430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anmaster is using RawIRC. < 1245452434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, unless that's why my net is slow < 1245452471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, basically, lots of clients connect and all ping you as fast as possible, you end up either flooding yourself off, if client sucks, or with a long send queue if the client does proper rate limiting. < 1245452476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather nasty < 1245452486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I simply ignore CTCP from *!*@* < 1245452514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, your SendQ would overflow anyway whether you ignored the CTCPs or not < 1245452519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if enough people tried to send to you at once < 1245452537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? I meant send queue on client side < 1245452545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the server one would flood < 1245452558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, if enough, but that tends to be rather hard < 1245452608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I have successfully seen on a test net, (with normal settings for SendQ size) over 20000 clients split from a channel < 1245452616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1245452633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode got quite a way through the channels list when I accidentally sent it WHO without parameters once < 1245452634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think flooding that one would require oper abilities at least < 1245452646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ignoring pings is against the ctcp spec < 1245452656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but this is IRC we're talking about < 1245452656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who isn't channel list < 1245452663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes that is a case where it can flood off < 1245452666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ahem— we're talking to AnMaster < 1245452669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: specifications. < 1245452670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec lets you embed CTCPs in the middle of lines < 1245452670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ctcp isn't an official spec < 1245452673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody implements that < 1245452679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure AnMaster patched it in < 1245452686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and who does who for all channels in alphabetical order < 1245452689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on freenode < 1245452689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes some do... and I was not involved < 1245452691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't give args < 1245452699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about halfway through a, IIRC < 1245452706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, which aren't +s, and where the user haven't set themselves as non-visible < 1245452707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1245452809 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1245452994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1245453194 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ctcp spec is so complicated < 1245453199 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty lulzy < 1245453205 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody does more than the basic < 1245453210 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think some perl irc module < 1245453560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #.+./#:2 10$i.10 < 1245453560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 < 1245453561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1245453562 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1245453601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why "grr"? < 1245453610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the result I wanted. < 1245453618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that J or Perl? < 1245453629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds not the troll. < 1245453638 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1245453640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so neither? < 1245453779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reasons. "#:2 16$i.16" is a 3d-array, where both Zs are the same, X is going along the bit pattern, and Y goes down the list of numbers. < 1245453789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to operate on each (X,Y) from both Zs. < 1245453835 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-091-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1245453848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is how. < 1245453935 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1245454024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, folding over works < 1245454095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfffffffff < 1245454804 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1245455323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BAM!* < 1245455329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the sound of a new language forming. < 1245455340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average sized language < 1245455364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly, or slightly smaller < 1245455369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hurf durf < 1245455371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whoosh < 1245455389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, *blink*? I was joking too < 1245455407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think you got the meme reference < 1245455454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "hurf druf"? then no. But I know "BAM" in comics. Oh and I also seen references in some comics saying "to be a big explosion the text needs to be at least this big" and similiar < 1245455461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1245455464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but possibly there is some silly 4chan meme too < 1245455472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH < 1245455473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't really care about < 1245455480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A tornado envelops AnMaster's house.) < 1245455485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He dies. All is peaceful. ~fin~) < 1245455494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't care about 4chan memes really < 1245455504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every meme is from 4chan, clearly. < 1245455515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, but quite a few of the silly ones are < 1245455517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "4chan", you mean "the Internet". < 1245455520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is from 4chan < 1245455537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4chan is from 4chan < 1245455538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if so, it is recursive < 1245455539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true fax. < 1245455542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, damn you < 1245455547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat me by half a second < 1245455588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU'RE NOT GREEN, < 1245455589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURN INTO A WALRUS. < 1245455628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't care if you say "woosh", I'm not here to please you, nor the reverse. < 1245455646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: getting pissy because he misses a reference since 2007. < 1245455667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? I'm not the pissy one. < 1245455669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are < 1245455676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case at least. < 1245455680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused < 1245455687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at how easy you get irritated < 1245455700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never once said anything that was not calm and uncaring. "23:53 AnMaster: ehird, I don't care if you say "woosh", I'm not here to please you, nor the reverse." is very clearly annoyed. < 1245455728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was trying to inform you, since you didn't seem aware < 1245455746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" AnMaster: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH" is clearly annoyed. < 1245455760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...how is that annoyed? < 1245455771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how is it not. bbl < 1245455794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Let's talk about the decay of rationality, reason and logic in favour of emotionalism, pissiness and assertions. < 1245455837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first, food ->