< 1242522390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The one number it gave that seemed like it might be the number of infant deaths per year was actually the total number of deaths per year, multiplied by one child, i.e. pure nonsense.]] < 1242522606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gdp/deaths < 1242522613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $993,258.23 per person < 1242522617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got it right!! < 1242522625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using estimates from 1993-2008 too < 1242522708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523-in-future: i think they're improving it. It handles "gdp/average human height in centimeters" < 1242523255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x!=0, log(x)!=0, x^(3/x^3+1/x^2+1)!=0, y = (x^3 (-W_n(-(e^((log(x))/x^2-(3 log(x))/x^3) log(x))/x^3))+x log(x)-3 log(x))/(x^3 log(x)), n element Z < 1242523266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=1, y-1; x=2, y=0 < 1242523268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^y - x^3y + x - 3 = 0 < 1242523932 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1242525362 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1242525756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to set up a Paypal account while on Windows < 1242525837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless a hacker's thinking of using a 2-minute Window between me transfering funds to the account and when I purchase stuff with it, I think I'm safe < 1242525995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've already hacked in. < 1242526042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to hook it up to any "real" stuff < 1242526074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you link your bank account or credit card, you'll speed through online checkout without exposing your financial information." No thanks < 1242526265 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242526266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust Paypal to be hooked to a credit card or bank account if I had Knuth do a formal analysis of the OpenBSD operating system and *then* installed OpenBSD. < 1242526301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if I could replace Paypal itself with OpenBSD, then maybe we'd be talking. < 1242526304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1242526376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use some SL money < 1242526385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start working on my SL product < 1242526401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And figure out how to receive Paypal payments < 1242526930 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1242530132 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1242530738 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242531853 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1242534480 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1242537296 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1242538148 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1242538154 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can actually play 1080p now < 1242538714 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1242539513 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1242540973 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1242543037 0 :evincar!n=chatzill@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1242543045 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honk blarg blarg. < 1242543058 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's everyone doing? < 1242543100 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello evincar < 1242543364 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy. < 1242543371 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty dead tonight, then, eh? < 1242543461 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1242543761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may accidentally have done something that my dad will kill me for < 1242543773 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1242543799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned L$ into USD and deposited into a paypal account < 1242543808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue about the tax implications < 1242543846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1242543888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L$ is the currency used in Second Life < 1242543924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=612999 < 1242543924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8l10s/a_brief_history_of_grammar/ < 1242543925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://digg.com/general_sciences/A_Brief_History_of_Grammar/ < 1242543927 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote em up :3 < 1242543957 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1242543961 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a core i7 < 1242546056 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1242546758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1242547199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1242547200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1242549601 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-20.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1242549744 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242549778 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242550250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : People who strip the fat of bacon are evil agents of the End Times. < 1242550337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lean, mean, evil agents who can easily outrun you < 1242551666 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I hear this car zoom up behind me, so I start bleeding off speed (which is my automatic being-tailgated reaction), and look in the rear-view mirror to see ... a cop ... tailgating me ... without his lights on. He veers off of me and into the next lane, then zooms up and starts tailgating the next guy, whose automatic reaction was to speed up, presumably to faster than the speed limit, at which point the cop pulled him over. < 1242551811 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-_-] < 1242551927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1242552135 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242552206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1242552390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_is_ it really the case that a single /// substitution can only loop if the destination contains the source? < 1242553104 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242553631 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍥ < 1242553661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paranoidly checks for unicode < 1242553667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was right < 1242553915 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL CIRCLE DIAERESIS < 1242553959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Öh. < 1242554194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abcabc/bcabcabca/abcabc fails as the destination contains the source < 1242554222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though two destinations can combine to create an extra copy < 1242554262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1242554299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abb/bbaab/abb < 1242554306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242554311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abb/bbaab/abbabb < 1242554330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1242554388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abb/bbaab/abbbb -> bbaabbb -> bbbbaabb < 1242554453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1242554546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abb/bbaab/abbbb -> bbaabbb -> bbabbaabb -> bbbbaabaabb -> bbbbaababbaab < 1242554762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that works < 1242554790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just added a fourth debugging level to the interpreter just to check that :D < 1242554825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder... < 1242555222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also /ab/bbaa/abab, that's probably the simplest < 1242555950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that /ab/bbaa/abb < 1242557006 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1242559407 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1242561012 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=emacs@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1242561733 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242561956 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-149-132.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1242562023 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-51-206.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1242562243 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1242562907 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242564533 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1242565274 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1242565275 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1242565863 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-63.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1242566602 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242569708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1242570352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. GCC generates better code at -O2 for do{...}while(foo); loops than while(foo){...} < 1242570372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is when foo is assigned just a few lines before < 1242570381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could easily figure out that the loop will always be run < 1242570389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory at least < 1242570741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC's optimisation is not exactly best-in-class. < 1242570750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just rather good. < 1242570765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like almost everything else about GCC. < 1242570783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it managed to be one of the best compilers by not being bad at much anything. ;) < 1242570817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1242570881 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being the only generally available compiler certainly helps too < 1242570906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. It *is* just about guaranteed to be available for your platform. < 1242570958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike, say, icc, which is for i686-pc-linux-gnu, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, i686-pc-windows-microsoft, and x86_64-pc-windows-microsoft... < 1242570980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or MS VC++, which is available for half of those. < 1242571007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1242571008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang < 1242571036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you forgot that icc handles Linux on Itanium too < 1242571040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That's the only compiler I see replacing GCC, < 1242571054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For about the same reasons that GCC got to be ubiquitous. < 1242571076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it's a bit better. < 1242571121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ICC for OS X and QNX, though. < 1242571131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for QNX too? heh < 1242571134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X I did know < 1242571187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's listed on http://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-compilers/ at least; I don't know about up-to-date versions. And no Fortran compiler on QNX. < 1242571585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, ICC sucks for non-Intel processors. < 1242572759 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242575359 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242575585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good non-compiled language to use for output to test lostking? From GCC I always get "out of memory". Even when letting it use 1 GB. < 1242575866 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1242575873 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-234.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1242576112 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-112-147.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1242576252 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242576356 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1242576359 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1242577032 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1242577375 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-234.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1242577433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dude, why di you submit that to proggit < 1242577437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with programming < 1242577451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, downvoted for news site whoring. < 1242577459 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the closest thing i could think to add it to, given whats on the sites :P < 1242577474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics < 1242577484 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242577488 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS SO NOT ON THE LIST < 1242577493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg wtf < 1242577497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the list lists the most popular reddits. < 1242577499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are thousands. < 1242577504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1242577508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had i know < 1242577514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, adding it there too i guess? < 1242577536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to log into digg and slashdot and hn for the first time in ages and downvote them too because i hate "UPVOTE DIS" buttons :) < 1242577550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ill remove those buttons just for you then :P < 1242577550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I don't have to for HN, the submission's deleted < 1242577567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not! < 1242577571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh? < 1242577575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=612999 < 1242577577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: "[dead]" < 1242577579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ, sir. < 1242577596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Brief History of Grammar (wellnowwhat.net) < 1242577596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 points by psygnisfive 10 hours ago | 1 comment < 1242577597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1242577599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 point by cendrillonea 8 hours ago | link < 1242577601 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really enjoyed this, and thought it was a well-detailed account that more than adequately explained the evolution of the grammar we use today. < 1242577604 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reply < 1242577607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hacker Newsnew | comments | leaders | jobs | submit login < 1242577607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dead] < 1242577609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1242577611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1242577613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 point by cendrillonea 8 hours ago | link < 1242577615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really enjoyed this, and thought it was a well-detailed account that more than adequately explained the evolution of the grammar we use today. < 1242577617 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like youre hallucinating :( < 1242577618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reply < 1242577620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you can see it because you are the submitter, I infer. < 1242577625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242577626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everyone else... < 1242577627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly! < 1242577632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yer submission's dead < 1242577635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this is true. :( < 1242577637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1242577641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1242577868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read any of it ehird? < 1242577888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about grammar, tbh < 1242577920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1242577925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should still read it < 1242577936 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not so much about grammar as in "what do languages do blah blah blah" < 1242577946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more about grammar formalisms < 1242577961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a very different thing < 1242577973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sum up for you the TG account: < 1242578014 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1242578028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a finite language, that produces some small set of "kernel sentences", and then you have a number of unrestricted production rules that modify a sentence in particular ways, including adding in recursive elements < 1242578069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TG approach wanted to see what was a sufficient enough set of kernel sentences and transformational rules in order to account for all over natural language < 1242578101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: βß < 1242578177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta eszet < 1242578183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you say bss? :( < 1242578197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: because fhd < 1242578201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't beta more of a /v/ sound? < 1242578208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durünglork toshmosh, psygnisfive! < 1242578211 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in modern greek, yes < 1242578285 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242578514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ehird, you should check it out. just because. :P < 1242578528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it in tardglish and i will < 1242578545 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dee dee dee < 1242578725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download now a shareware DOS executable version of UUdecode. Or, download a zipped version of the same. < 1242578726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find fancier implementations of uuencode and uudecode in various places, but they do basically the same processing that my versions do. But if you are a software developer, beware that none of those other implementations make available the source code so that you can incorporate uuencode and uudecode functions into your own projects. < 1242578731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only $75! < 1242578733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://my.execpc.com/~adw/uu.html < 1242578740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in BASIC! < 1242578757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1242578765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeedy. < 1242578967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/xorsyst/3494215156/ < 1242578968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want this < 1242579167 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242579417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 is a standard published by the International Organization for Standardization (commonly referred to as ISO), specifying a standardized method for brewing tea. It was originally laid down in 1980 as BS 6008:1980. It was produced by ISO Technical Committee 34 (Food products), Sub-Committee 8 (Tea). < 1242579419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abstract states the following: < 1242579421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The method consists in extracting of soluble substances in dried tea leaf, containing in a porcelain or earthenware pot, by means of freshly boiling water, pouring of the liquor into a white porcelain or earthenware bowl, examination of the organoleptic properties of the infused leaf, and of the liquid with or without milk, or both. < 1242579673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just as liberal feminists are frequently content with a minimal agenda of legal and social equality for women and 'pro-choice', so liberal (and even some socialist) mathematicians are often content to work within the hegemonic Zermelo-Fraenkel framework (which, reflecting its nineteenth-century liberal origins, already incorporates the axiom of equality) supplemented only by the axiom of choice." < 1242579961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: was this tea standard introduced by a brit? < 1242579963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like it < 1242579975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: i love tea :D < 1242579987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I'd like tea if I could be arsed to make it Properly(TM). < 1242580011 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you following the ISO 3103 standardized method for bewing tea? < 1242580025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1242580029 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres your problem! < 1242580135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also suggests the obvious (non-regexp) solution: building a ISO 3103 compliant tea-making robot. < 1242580157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letter O considered harmful < 1242580157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the same Fortran Standards Committee meeting at which the name "FORTRAN 77" was chosen, a technical proposal was somehow smuggled into the official distribution, bearing the title, "Letter O considered harmful". This deceptively simple proposal purported to address the confusion that sometimes arises between the letter "O" and the numeral zero, by eliminating the letter from allowable variable names. However, the method proposed was to eliminate t < 1242580162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he letter from the character set entirely (thereby retaining 48 as the number of lexical characters, which the colon had increased to 49). < 1242580165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among the "PRO" arguments was the assertion that this would also promote structured programming, by making it impossible to use the notorious GO TO statement as before. (Troublesome FORMAT statements would be eliminated, as well.) < 1242580169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sole "CON" argument conceded that "this might invalidate some existing programs" but noted that most of these "probably were non-conforming, anyway".[16][17] < 1242580306 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1242580309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fortran < 1242580366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off to get food < 1242580370 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you all :D < 1242580371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1242580400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even me? < 1242580415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1242580478 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1242580484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6782/hackerbymetallicbox.jpg < 1242580485 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME < 1242580488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freemason=Hacker < 1242580504 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MASON < 1242580580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1242580580 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1242580589 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1242580589 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1242580592 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do stuffs < 1242580593 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: two lines located on the serial bus secondary device address, the microprocessor from a low active chip select conditions have been moved up, or via dedicated handshaking lines. < 1242580642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mitnick served five years in prison, of which four and a half years were pre-trial and eight months were in solitary confinement because the Judge was convinced he could start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone if he were near one." < 1242580643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WHISTLED FOR A NUCLEAR BOMB AND WHEN IT CAME NEAR THE LICENSE PLACE SAID "FRESH" AND HAD DICE IN THE MIRROR < 1242582250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is that quote from < 1242582266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's complicated. < 1242582272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which quote are we referring to? < 1242582285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about the nuclear war and the judge < 1242582327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, though I guess I should ask about the upper case line too. < 1242582345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Kevin Mitnick]]. < 1242582359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncyclopedia right? < 1242582361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1242582363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia. < 1242582367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up? < 1242582370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1242582373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH! < 1242582387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the UPPERCASE QUOTE is from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air's theme song; if you don't have an attuned sense of post-hipster irony it may just be best to know that it's a *chan meme. < 1242582424 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1242582445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1242582452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1242582456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/CAB/NUCLEAR BOMB/ < 1242582458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a minor adjustment. < 1242582459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition, as per the plea deal, Mitnick was prohibited from profiting from films or books that are based on his criminal activity for a period of seven years." < 1242582462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what... < 1242582470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, what? < 1242582486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159784/ < 1242582498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a movie made ... very, very loosely based ... on Mitnick. < 1242582506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery loosely. < 1242582511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1242582614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would he be forbidden from making money on such movies < 1242582633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how a movie would harm anyone < 1242582636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To stop him coming out on top? < 1242582642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1242582644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he profits from selling his story, he's profiting from committing crimes. Indirectly. < 1242582650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stupid, but I can see where it's coming from. < 1242582654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, makes kind of sense I guess. < 1242582661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see it that way < 1242582858 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242583681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1562#comment-18623 < 1242583788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNO MIIIIITE < 1242583788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nuclear war quote is a "sourced statement" in the sense that it's from a newspiece saying "-- Mitnick was put in solitary confinement and prevented from using a phone after law enforcement officials convinced a judge that he had the ability to start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone, he [Mitnick] said." A bit funny that Wikipedia presents it as fact. < 1242583877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Seriously. < 1242583915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mitnick able to start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone? < 1242583937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we *seriously* get some judges that know anything about the technology they maintain? < 1242583941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1242583946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preside over. < 1242584052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it's only Mitnick himself who said they were worried about he being able to start a nuclear war, it is conceivable that he might have been a bit hyperbolic there. < 1242584067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1242584084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By '95, inband signaling was outmoded. < 1242584110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, he couldn't even conceivably do the Cap'n Crunch hack and get free long distance. < 1242584135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that knowledge and judges exactly seem to meet often in, say, the EFF legal case descriptions.) < 1242584149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1242584163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And legislators aren't much better. < 1242584187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come on people: making bits uncopiable is like making water not wet. You're not doing it.) < 1242584226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nevercopybitslu1 < 1242584232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT SHIT < 1242584235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I nevrcopybitslu1 < 1242584264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelcua propty < 1242584265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense copied bits. < 1242584277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was not copying bytes can I get off with a slap on he wrist < 1242584400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1242584871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have getc/putc already. What else do I need? < 1242584878 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242584899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have getc, putc/puts, hex2string, divmod (crappy), initalization. What do I need next for my C64 kernel? < 1242584998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greenity < 1242585070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork < 1242585074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally speaking, a process scheduler is often a nice thing to have in an operating system. < 1242585082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also a fork. < 1242585100 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Shouldn't i get file I/O first? < 1242585118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Filesystem? < 1242585143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the order is up to you; most people certainly would appreciate a file system too, yes. < 1242585193 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the filesystem is Commodore default < 1242585219 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, forking needs a whole multitasking infrastructure < 1242585252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not much < 1242585262 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1242585266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh k < 1242585275 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1242585284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than what DOS had. :p < 1242585295 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make the CIA programming code, the "state copier" code, and the "process selector" code < 1242585381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, with "file system" I was more talking about the kernel/user interface for accessing files than any on-disk formats or such. < 1242585404 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1242585410 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do need the kernel interface to access files < 1242585418 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I should get forking there first < 1242585437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forking operating system! < 1242585441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forking computer! Just work! < 1242585939 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242586014 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1242586190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% sudo port install xorg < 1242586195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[giant lag as a slow tcl program calculates dependencies] < 1242586199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been going for ~5 minutes now < 1242586266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with X11.app, then? < 1242586303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is the same Xquartz codebase, actually; it's just that MacPorts' matlab needs xorg-xextproto thing, and: < 1242586305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requested 'x11 >= 1.1.99.1' but version of X11 is 1.1.5 < 1242586319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I looked for the new X11.app but it wants me to upgrade OS X to a newer minor release and I can't be bothered < 1242586333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What version of Tcl does that sucker run on? < 1242586335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm installing via this, which hopefully won't say thus < 1242586348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% sudo port install xorg < 1242586349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---> Fetching xorg-applewmproto < 1242586350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1242586352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do I check < 1242586360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1242586369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it tried to install xorg, the same error < 1242586369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a matlab in macports? < 1242586374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er. < 1242586375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant maxima < 1242586379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1242586382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tclsh < 1242586388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I get a %. < 1242586389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% info tclversion < 1242586391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1242586397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 8.5 < 1242586413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I could've sworn 8.5 had a good bytecode compiler. < 1242586415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1242586422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long_description \ < 1242586422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : X11, or X, is a vendor-neutral, system-architecture neutral \ < 1242586424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : network-transparent window system and user interface standard. \ < 1242586426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In other words, it is a GUI for UNIX. X can use your network -- \ < 1242586428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you may run CPU-intensive programs on high powered workstations \ < 1242586430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and display the user interface, the windows, on inexpensive \ < 1242586432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : desktop machines. < 1242586434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80s fuck yeah < 1242586457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1242586463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I obliterate AppleX11 from my system, one wonders. < 1242586482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a .app. < 1242586499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm pretty sure the usual X11 files are shat in their usual place. < 1242586508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Evidence: I have a /usr/X11. < 1242586511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll obliterate that too. < 1242586512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *Really*? < 1242586517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's vomit-worthy. < 1242586525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Xorg's organizational system is vomit-worthy. < 1242586533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, /usr/X11? C'mon, that's not very unix of you. < 1242586534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1242586544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/X11 is FHS, /usr is modern-unix-OS < 1242586555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Xorg uses /usr in recent versions, I think. < 1242586563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also uses HAL instead of xorg.conf by default, so perhaps we're seeing some sanity. < 1242586572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a /usr/X11. < 1242586578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go then. < 1242586583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have /usr/X11R6? < 1242586595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have an xorg.conf, but that's because my monitor needs a specific modeline that can't be autodetected. < 1242586607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an /usr/X11R6, but there's only a symlink "bin -> ../bin" in it. < 1242586615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the thing came with freaking Windows drivers, because it's signalling was broken) < 1242586619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a /usr/X11R6. < 1242586627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1242586632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good, considering I don't have X11R6 installed. < 1242586641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't you configure HAL for it? < 1242586668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when I set up X, I didn't have HAL installed. < 1242586692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1242586803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% port installed|grep xorg|awk '{print $1}'|xargs sudo port uninstall < 1242586811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "% port installed|grep xorg|awk '{print $1}'|xargs sudo port uninstall xrender xpm " first actually < 1242586812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Debian's "x11-common" contains (in addition to the /usr/X11R6/bin -> ../bin symlink) also an /usr/bin/X11 which is a symlink to ".". I'm guessing compatibility-to-broken-programs related reasons. < 1242586815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Xft2 as well, heh. < 1242586822 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm going to make flipbooks < 1242586823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1242586922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this now then. < 1242586925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% sudo port install xorg < 1242587423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sloooooooooooow < 1242587426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: speed it up < 1242587593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i has a core i7 < 1242587606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes. and you're ruining it with hyperthreading ;-) < 1242587640 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency not throughput < 1242587667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "cache thrashing not not cache thrashing" < 1242587670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hack not not hack' < 1242587674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'$/"/ < 1242587759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do something cool! < 1242587760 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: when an nmi interrupt. the table that starts at 6. bit map are arranged in 25 rows of 40 columns, the < 1242587862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: To be honest, that wasn't so cool. < 1242587862 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in other words, the < 1242587901 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: think i'm ruining performance on this ssd with encryption? < 1242587918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: encrypting an OS drive? < 1242587920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're barmy :) < 1242587922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yes < 1242587929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would most likely be bad < 1242588031 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1242588050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; dd if=data bs=1M count=2K of=/dev/null < 1242588054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 18.8341 s, 114 MB/s < 1242588056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but if you're not doing the lvm alignment you're already showing RECKLESS ABANDON for performance, so ;-) < 1242588067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sequential operations for the fail < 1242588073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most OS work = random read/writes < 1242588077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of small data < 1242588087 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's supposed to get 200mb/s sequential reads is what i'm saying < 1242588116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: if you disabled hyperthreading, SECURE ERASE'd that drive, and set up lvm2 with the alignment incantations, you could probably get away with it < 1242588120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;;;) < 1242588149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alignment will only maybe help with writes < 1242588167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes, but writes are common < 1242588170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about firefox < 1242588176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit a page? 345734859345 gajillion small writes < 1242588252 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how my disk is in ram < 1242588293 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1242588332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: btw, you are mounting /tmp as tmpfs right? < 1242588335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that. < 1242588341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loadsa speed benefits, less ssd writs < 1242588342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes < 1242588343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1242588360 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not, but i will < 1242588380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches < 1242588402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[7]=p[7]; < 1242588413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow suspect I need to work on that optimiser a bit! < 1242588415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an extension of Ayn Rand's A=A? < 1242588436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Partly implemented copy propagation: < 1242588437 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS JOHN GALT < 1242588438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[0]=p[7]; < 1242588438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[5]+=p[0]; < 1242588438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[7]=p[0]; < 1242588438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[0]=0; < 1242588438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p[5]+=p[7]; < 1242588439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p[7]=p[7]; < 1242588445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: JOHN GALT=JOHN GALT QED < 1242588459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be cleaned up to remove that dead node < 1242588462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ais523 btw < 1242588505 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1242588505 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1242588510 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is sort(1)'s default buffer size 32 mb? < 1242588515 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1242588515 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1242588518 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1242588524 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's rude! < 1242588533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242588539 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: tmpfs 4.0G 0 4.0G 0% /tmp happy now? < 1242588565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do you still have hyperthreading enabled? >:) < 1242588580 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1242588603 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1242588613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1242588625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: then no :-P < 1242588629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[i'm just kidding around] < 1242588663 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: linux top is report cpu usage funny < 1242588669 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :percentages go over 100% < 1242588674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's cores < 1242588674 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dudun < 1242588682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it measures in erlangs < 1242588684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400% is max, or maybe 800% for hyperthreading < 1242588688 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1242588691 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, IT'S OVER 100! < 1242588697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% means full use of one core < 1242588704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have dual-core, it can go up to 200% < 1242588715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one process can't < 1242588724 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone has 4 4-core PCs? < 1242588727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: threads, foo < 1242588728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw firefox go up to 250% < 1242588729 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242588731 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1242588732 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUs < 1242588733 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it go to 1600%? < 1242588736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: two pthraeds can max out two cores < 1242588738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pthreads < 1242588741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: things that i know are singlethreaded went to 102% < 1242588754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: aha, I know why < 1242588758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can go higher still under certain setups, like quad-core processors < 1242588763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the i7 transfers power from idle cores < 1242588768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bsmntbombdood has a quad-core < 1242588771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1242588772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: to nonidle ones < 1242588779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: iirc something like 30% faster clockspeed sometimes < 1242588782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it doesn't tell linux this < 1242588787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can exceed 100% of stock clock speed < 1242588813 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1242588821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you think i'm wrong? < 1242588823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up < 1242588828 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that it can do that < 1242588849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit confusing that the "%CPU" does that 100% == full use of a single core, but in the summary "Cpu(s): 3.8%us --" it's 100% == all processors in use. < 1242588905 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes top says that top or xterm is using like 75%, which is weird < 1242589312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe how much ram i have < 1242589329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you'd better; it made up a large chunk of the price :P < 1242589334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe it's not butter. < 1242589356 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and btw, nv is shit < 1242589410 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't even play a movie at anything but the original size < 1242589496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sort-of blame Nvidia for not releasing the hardware specs like ATI/AMD did. < 1242589539 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, the binary drivers work fine < 1242589571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably the other reason people haven't been reverse-engineering nvidia stuff more. < 1242589586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: beats ati drivers at least < 1242589609 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with these drivers i can play 1080p just fine < 1242589642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of card was it again? < 1242589642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how lowest-common-denominator. < 1242589650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: really old passive Nvidia from sparkl < 1242589650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1242589659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: couldn't even come close with nv < 1242589670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9400 isn't _that_ old < 1242589686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, not old < 1242589687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shitty < 1242589688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: an extension of Ayn Rand's A=A? <-- btw, what did you mean with that? < 1242589692 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does cuda < 1242589696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's kind of complicated < 1242589710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: true. Anyway, you told me you had no gfx card requirements :P < 1242589714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, short summary? < 1242589720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Ayn Rand is a retard" < 1242589737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand ? < 1242589740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1242589742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, was a retard. < 1242589754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually once tried to make a language based on A=A < 1242589755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's dead now, which is a positive aspect. < 1242589760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Objectivist C < 1242589790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i should have gotten a GTX 295 or something < 1242589805 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot the specs, but here's a program : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Fibo.jpg < 1242589812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: is my sarcasm-o-meter setting off correct? < 1242589868 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: depends on what reading it is giving you < 1242589880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: DING! Sarcasm! < 1242589880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nvidia binary driver also added that VDPAU thing recently; it was long so that it supported only a bit of xvmc, and only for geforce series <=7. (The readme says G96, which is in 9400, does IDCT+motion-compensation on the card for MPEG1/2, H.264 and VC1 (WMV), and bitstream decoding only for h.264; G98 would do also the bitstream decoding part on the card for mpeg1/2 and wmv. < 1242589895 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how capable this card is with cuda < 1242589939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe i should get an nvidia tesla though < 1242589973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so was the reading correct < 1242589980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1242589985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1242590055 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not about the tesla though < 1242590306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My passive gf7600gt card, with it's crummy G73 gpu and no VDPAU support in the nvidia drivers, can't do 1080p video in this rather-less-than-high-end system. :/ (Admittedly I don't think I have any 1080p media either.) < 1242590342 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded a couple of clips to test < 1242590452 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=emacs@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1242590505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Your card is somewhat shitty for 3D stuff, but should handle most any video you throw at it. < 1242590536 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's worth it to download a 15gb full movie though < 1242590543 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a 700mb one < 1242590584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What resolution is your monitor? < 1242590590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x800 < 1242590631 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1280*1024 < 1242590647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for 720p videos. < 1242590660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being the best that your monitor can display. < 1242590666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja < 1242590676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, your graphics card is overkill for 720p video. < 1242590689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Geforce 6300 does 720p video just fine. :p < 1242590695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 1920x1200 would suit 1080p rather well, if I had a habit of watching any moving pictures. < 1242590705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:03 bsmntbombdood: only 1280*1024 < 1242590707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. < 1242590715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using such a tiny monitor on such a powerful system :P < 1242590736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to agree with ehird on this one. < 1242590743 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know < 1242590745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like wiring a cray up to a 14" CRT and playing a card game, a few decades ago < 1242590747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1242590749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a 1400x900 monitor, and that's because I'm cheap. ;) < 1242590760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 14" crt isn't quite cray era < 1242590764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say a dumb greenscreen terminal < 1242590775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say a teletype. < 1242590783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With paper and everything. < 1242590785 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a teletype will suit a cray just fine... < 1242590801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home computers of the era had better output. < 1242590803 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you are not wasting your cray on rendering eye candy < 1242590807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, according to wp "G86 and G98 [quite different from the G86 -- features VC-1 video decoding completely in hardware] cards are both sold as "8400 GS", the difference can only be told from technical specifications". It's like they *wanted* to confuse people. < 1242590832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'card game' being the operative word < 1242590866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1242590868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Cray? < 1242590896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cray-2, perhaps? < 1242590905 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can beat 100 crays < 1242590931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: How many gigaflops does your computer offer? < 1242590942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fuck that, how many bogomips? < 1242590973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogomips : 5879.85 < 1242590977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from /proc/cpuinfo < 1242590985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many bogomips the Cray offers. < 1242590988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of bogons generated. < 1242591004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's not many at all < 1242591005 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i get to benchmark floating point? < 1242591014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn of hyperthreading, bitch :-) < 1242591033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My crappy Sempron offers 3215.44 bogomips. < 1242591038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1242591040 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is *4 < 1242591051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: *8 because of STUPOTHREADING < 1242591072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get only 2000 bogomips... though I think that number changes when the cpufreq machinery decides to go up from 1 GHz to whatever-the-normal-frequency-was. < 1242591138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, yes. If I start a "while true; do X=y; done" loop in another terminal, the bogomips rating goes to 5628.88. (2.8 GHz seems to be the normal frequency of a X2-5600+.) < 1242591159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1242591170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogomips : 6290.04 < 1242591179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what cpu? < 1242591180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the caps there in the variable assignment? < 1242591183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why that assignment at all? < 1242591185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, this is very ghz-dependent < 1242591198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Q9550, overclocked to 3.something < 1242591212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, overclockers. /me steps away from Deewiant < 1242591215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty overclocker :| < 1242591215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I couldn't think of what a no-op would be. < 1242591216 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to overclock this processor < 1242591217 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Default being 2.[89]something) < 1242591223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: et tu, brute‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1242591231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Dirty? :-P < 1242591234 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1242591236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes. < 1242591237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1242591241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so < 1242591247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the null string usually works < 1242591258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure offhand if it would be do; done or do done < 1242591267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, "while true; do; done" gets bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' < 1242591273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an allergy to "HARDKOR" gamers and the related ilk. which happens to encompass just about anyone who knows hardware without being able to program, and anyone under the discipline of such invented by and as. < 1242591283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "while true; do done" => "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done'" < 1242591285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the sentence got ungrammatical later on it's because it ended up not being tuned to say what i was saying < 1242591290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i gave up < 1242591293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: while true; do; done < 1242591294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1242591298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242591299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1242591300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Interestingly, that works in zsh. < 1242591307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1242591308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, bash is... peculiar. < 1242591322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash agrees with bash here. < 1242591329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash? :-D < 1242591336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"while true; do; done" fails in dash too < 1242591338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, dash. < 1242591341 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm downloading serenity in 720p < 1242591342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, Deewiant beat me < 1242591342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you so funny < 1242591346 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see how this is < 1242591347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it installed, but it isn't my default shell < 1242591367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ $ while true; do; done < 1242591368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: syntax error: ";" unexpected < 1242591371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's busybox sh < 1242591415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a very cursory glance of the bash(1) man page "shell grammar" section, I can't really construct a "null command"y thing. < 1242591420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ while true; do :; done < 1242591426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is not a nop < 1242591427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is the no-op command < 1242591431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's true < 1242591431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets $? < 1242591441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say all commands set $? < 1242591447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's correct for a nop to, too < 1242591459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like complaining that NOP in asm isn't a nop because it changes the IP < 1242591462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nop is an uncommand! < 1242591479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually two sorts of nop < 1242591487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something I'm thinking about a lot in Underlambda? < 1242591492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's more noppish; true, or cat? < 1242591503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/;/:/ < 1242591512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is described as "No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code is returned." so I guess it's a reasonably noppy thing. < 1242591516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ais523: which is something I'm thinking about a lot in Underlambda? < 1242591517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1242591529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, next time I need a do-nothing loop I'll certainly use :. < 1242591534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in a pipeline, nop is cat < 1242591538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1242591539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in a sequence of commands, nop is... nothing < 1242591542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas true would destroy data < 1242591542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since < 1242591545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo; if [ $? < 1242591545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1242591547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo; :; if [ $? < 1242591558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the difference between 0 and 1 in Underlambda < 1242591559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the only thing you can REALLY call a nop in shell is the pipeline nop - cat < 1242591564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is !() < 1242591567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it destroys data < 1242591569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat :: String -> String; cat = id < 1242591570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is the null string < 1242591571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ shellskle < 1242591575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it leaves everything the same < 1242591576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(|>) = flip (.) < 1242591621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat = id < 1242591622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tac = unlines . reverse . lines < 1242591640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, x11 installed < 1242591733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo port install maxima < 1242591736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1242591738 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1242591824 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1242591900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why wasn't x11 installed before? < 1242591905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new computer? < 1242591907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x < 1242591915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd installed it earlier, though < 1242591916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I removed the x11 i had < 1242591918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1242591921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz dependency issues < 1242591925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i installed it via macports < 1242591964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and I possibly don't even need x11 for this < 1242591965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1242591987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs gnuplot +no_x11 +wxwidgets; installs tk +quartz; installs maxima < 1242591996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will also install sbcl, despite me having my own sbcl < 1242592020 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sbecial for you. < 1242592047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1242592063 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxima doesn't need x < 1242592096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it depends on gnuplot and tk < 1242592104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the UI, I assume; it may not be mandatory, but I want it. < 1242592187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxima has a cli < 1242592207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1242592209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1242592215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want plots and shit too, mmkay? < 1242592245 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-107.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1242592429 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar bandwidth < 1242592455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 56k? < 1242592463 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1242592472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why did you buy an expensive i7 pc < 1242592499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?? < 1242592509 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plug my CPU directly into the intarwebs. < 1242592530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: tiny monitor ... shitty internet... :P < 1242592545 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused at where you see the connection < 1242592555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems a bit ridiculous < 1242592662 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood uses it to calculate the trajectory of micromissiles to kill anyone who makes fun of his monitor and/or internet connection. < 1242592673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1242592692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii < 1242592818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I strongly suggest that you invest in bandwidth and a better monitor. < 1242592835 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will probably get a better monitor, the bandwidth is more difficult though < 1242592847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best investment for the former, of course, is moving to Japan, but moving to any first-world nation other than the US is also a viable option. < 1242592848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live where the options are limited < 1242592854 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood's options are limited after he bombed Comcast's basement. < 1242592879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Dude, you didn't ask anyone to help you bomb Comcast? < 1242592884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very selfish of you! < 1242592887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1242592896 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just their basement) < 1242592905 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood works alone < 1242592919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sth korea has better bandwidth iirc < 1242592927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well speed < 1242592961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has 100 Mbps for $20 a month. < 1242592962 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan and south korea are both places where i do not want to go < 1242592996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Might I suggest somewhere more... Euro? < 1242593013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nordic countries sound nice < 1242593023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, they do. < 1242593027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoid sweden, anmaster's there < 1242593045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway's got Oerjan, though. < 1242593048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1242593053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for Norway or Finland. < 1242593063 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Moldova, or Ukraine. < 1242593065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland are more net-wise, iirc, and they invented IRC, and fizzie & oklopol & Deewiant < 1242593067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& other people. < 1242593072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has (110 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up) for $73.99/month (blame the $ exchange rate) if you don't mind the cable-modem technologistics. < 1242593078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway has fjords and oerjan. < 1242593078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the Finns invented fizzie. < 1242593089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What, all of them < 1242593089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1242593093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some orgy < 1242593111 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would pay $73.99 for 110 Mbps in a heartbeat < 1242593111 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's just how Finns breed. < 1242593114 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5 up sucks though < 1242593117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden has nice Internet unless you are far out in the country. < 1242593124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :country side* < 1242593125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where I'm at, I can get 1 Mbps down, 256k up for $69.99 a month. < 1242593127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 5 up isn't all that bad... < 1242593129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/on/ < 1242593144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we can't get cable here < 1242593154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving to finland sounds nice < 1242593160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With careful picking of where to live, I guess you can get reasonable prices for "100 Mbps both ways" here too; but it's not very widely available yet. < 1242593163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1242593164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language < 1242593175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 100 Mbps *both ways*? < 1242593179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uphill! < 1242593185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And downhill. Uh, both ways. < 1242593186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uphill both ways, yes. < 1242593191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1242593195 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1242593206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, why must *all* of your infrastructure be better than ours? < 1242593219 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1242593224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how cold is finland? < 1242593267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: US. Dealing with infrastructure that was last touched when my grandmother was a child. < 1242593284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet-over-phone is ridiculously stupid. < 1242593309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least one person still on dialup :/ < 1242593311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so yeah, coldity? < 1242593314 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not in person < 1242593318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fibre/ethernet-based 100MBps-up-and-down is still only in some random places, though. Personally I'm paying something like $70/month for puny 24 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up. (I happened to pick an expensive ISP, since they do the whole static-IP, custom-reverse-DNS, native-IPv6, tech-support-that-knows-what-they're-doing thing.) < 1242593335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's about +10 degrees celsius here now. < 1242593341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want phone-over-Internet, TV-over-Internet, etc.-over-Internet. < 1242593341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dictionary of dictionaries of sets. Is it time to try to work out a better data representation yet? < 1242593346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 24 Mbps? Puny? < 1242593347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what isp was that again? < 1242593353 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US got the infrastructure early, so as a result it has the oldest infrastructure. It's really quite simple. < 1242593356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh, you can get that in London < 1242593357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's absurdly good for the US. < 1242593369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, NEWS NEWS < 1242593374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Finland != US < 1242593379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... and? < 1242593384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was commenting on "puny'. < 1242593384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's absurdly good for the US. < 1242593385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1242593386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1242593389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is because it isn't the US! < 1242593390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make yourself look like a jackass... < 1242593390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nebula; nbl.fi or something. Here in the southernmost points it's rather rarely below -10 degrees in the winter, though occasionally it happens. < 1242593401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol -10 degrees < 1242593409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... And I've been talking about how the US has crappy infrastructure. < 1242593411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: going out in anything below 10 degrees makes me feel like death < 1242593418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1242593428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1242593429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need thicker clothes then < 1242593430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe not < 1242593430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "crappy", I mean "Ethiopia is set to surpass us in 10 years." < 1242593436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9 centigrade today apparently < 1242593436 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1242593440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can handle that just fine < 1242593448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year we had sub-zero temperatures at night-time as recently as... some two-and-a-half weeks ago? < 1242593449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -10 i could probably manage at worst. < 1242593457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night-time doesn't bother me < 1242593472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about same here iirc < 1242593473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you think these uphill-both-ways isp do the ipv6 stuffs too? < 1242593484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's not like moving to finland is possible or feasible, but IN MY MIND it could be < 1242593489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could move my mind to finland < 1242593492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep my body here < 1242593508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember you will have to learn Finnish when moving there! < 1242593512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could learn Finnish. < 1242593523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks awfully complex. < 1242593527 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Unfortunately, the mind-Finland uplink is over 56k. < 1242593531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've tried learning languages before and failing, but I could probably get by to start with using basic vernacular... < 1242593538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i recall reading that somalia has pretty kickass cell phone network < 1242593538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: AIEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1242593543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, the what < 1242593557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242593562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was no state to regulate it < 1242593564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't think they do. I'm not quite sure where they are available, to be honest. Can't find any availability maps. < 1242593566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're speaking one of the most commonly spoken languages right now. :) < 1242593586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's the first time I've heard of a lack of regulation creating competition. < 1242593587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, English yes. < 1242593587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm... what about the 100mbps both ways, it'd be supernice to have fast internet + ipv6 + reverse dns < 1242593598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most *complex*. < 1242593605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been dropping words lately today. :( < 1242593609 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1242593620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, the student housing at our university has that. :p < 1242593632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a rather unhelpful option :P < 1242593635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1242593637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the 100mbps one way < 1242593639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... Your university gets 100mbps? < 1242593640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not sure that is true actually. < 1242593643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i meant to say lately < 1242593652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think mine has that on our *LAN*. < 1242593654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't really talk much outside anyway, so finnish probably wouldn't be a problem for a good amount of time) < 1242593658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, French is harder, trust me. I took French in school some years ago. < 1242593661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, well... I think it's a shared 1 Gbps uplink to the interwebs, though. < 1242593669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot most of it by now < 1242593679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :french is hard? < 1242593681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or maybe they updated that to 10 Gbps already. I'm not quite sure. < 1242593699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is jealous either way < 1242593704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all those verb forms. < 1242593722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure English has that too, but not to the same degree. < 1242593744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol— someone said that a password-removing thingy for linux/windows didn't work on OS X < 1242593749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power button Command-S 'nuff said. < 1242593753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, the student housing network people upgraded the main Funet (Finnish university network thing, through which their internet goes) link to 10-gigabit-Ethernet on April 2nd. < 1242593755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and except for "be", a simple rule for I/you/he/she/it/we/you/they < 1242593756 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1242593759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFI-level backdoors FTW... < 1242593779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, command-S? < 1242593783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that one do < 1242593788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242593789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: boots into single-user mode < 1242593792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1242593794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1242593798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can set EFI password < 1242593800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1242593811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeaah but i doubt this retard has < 1242593815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is needed for all non-normal boots < 1242593821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can encrypt your HD too < 1242593821 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, and the 110Mbps-down-5Mbps-up cable-TV-company/ISP is Welho, which is rather in the clueless group of ISPs, so I really don't think they do any IPv6 stuff or anything. < 1242593828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's easy ways to prevent it; just not common ones < 1242593841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shit sucks. < 1242593844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can under OS X? < 1242593846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1242593853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it comes with truecrypt built in < 1242593855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a UI to use it < 1242593863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Most cities in the US are doing well to get 5Mbps down. < 1242593864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the ISPs here have some silly "you are forbidden to run any server applications in your pipe" things in their contracts, and the general level of service for home customers seems to be "you get 5 IPs over DHCP and that's it". < 1242593867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 10.4 too? < 1242593877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing some "encrypt home dir" < 1242593878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. Although, caution in that truecrypt, while open source, is shady. < 1242593883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got monopolies everywhere. < 1242593883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glee. < 1242593884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no full encryption < 1242593889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I know < 1242593889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mods delete questions about the changelogs etc on their forums < 1242593893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they just release source tarball < 1242593894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1242593895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1242593897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it has it built in. < 1242593911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except for dialup providers. Those still compete with each other. < 1242593913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does it let you encrypt the system dir :D < 1242593915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think the 24 Mbps down (well, theoretical; I get ~19 Mbps here) ADSL2+ thing is pretty widely available here, though personally I only know about the situation around the capital city here. < 1242593918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, AnMaster. < 1242593925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you boot then < 1242593935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, presumably it'd leave the bootloader unencrypted. < 1242593938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and have you ordered that linux PC yet btw :) < 1242593942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not yet < 1242593947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1242593949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to assemble a bag of parts, make sure the psu is fine, etc < 1242593953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be a lil bit < 1242593960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And you guys even get actual bandwidth close to what's advertised? < 1242593966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even more impressive. < 1242593972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and your befunge interpreter, how is it coming along :) < 1242593980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think I will stab you with a stick. < 1242593992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1242593996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect next you'll be telling me that your cable service doesn't recompress HD streams to the point that they're unwatchable? < 1242594001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For asking that :) < 1242594025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let's move to Finland; we can pool our resources to pay for residence and kick-ass internet < 1242594044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um, Why do you use cable instead of your own antenna. < 1242594052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... < 1242594053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: We'll probably be better able to pay for university, too. < 1242594055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1242594059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I measured my connection last weekend and it indeed managed something like 107/4.8 Mib/s < 1242594060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes? < 1242594061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you... are you... < 1242594065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what... < 1242594067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because that gets us 2 stations. < 1242594069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god. < 1242594071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, free standing house. < 1242594071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an idiot. < 1242594079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no cable network < 1242594080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cable channels are not the same as analogue channels < 1242594089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, analogue is terrible quality < 1242594097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are no analogue channels in Sweden. They are digital, over antenna < 1242594101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes strange, but a fact < 1242594110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. what < 1242594116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of political motivation for switching to that. < 1242594122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nearly 3/4ths of our analog broadcasters were shut down. < 1242594130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened in 2007 iirc < 1242594131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there are only 5 analogue channels in the uk < 1242594132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of June, all OTA signals in the US will be digital. < 1242594147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and digital = non-antenna in the UK < 1242594154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about this digital-antenna shit but we have none of it < 1242594157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the UK. The *other* country with third-world infrastructure. < 1242594163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you call it "shit" < 1242594176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I thought you guys had nearly 75% coverage with Freeview? < 1242594177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shit does not mean rubbish < 1242594178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "stuff" < 1242594183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it means rubbish < 1242594185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it means rubbish < 1242594191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand me? < 1242594191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or excrement < 1242594199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the literal meaning < 1242594202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1242594212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: At least you've got OTA stations worth watching. < 1242594213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and "freesat from sky", which has a marginally better channel choice, so we use it. We also have Sky, but $$$ and the channels are shit. < 1242594216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also bbc's HD freesat. < 1242594224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you sure about that? < 1242594228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but no I can't say I'm able to detect the difference between shit::stuff() and shit::rubbish() < 1242594230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel 4 and some stuff on five, maybe < 1242594234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few bbc documentaries < 1242594239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more than we have. < 1242594240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of BBC 1 stuff, and all of ITV, is rubbish < 1242594242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, sorry, wrong type description language < 1242594248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the channels you get on Sky? < 1242594252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yeah... < 1242594261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's US television. < 1242594270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1242594275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty awful. < 1242594281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US culture sucks. < 1242594289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% maxima < 1242594289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 88478(tid 2685568800): < 1242594290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad runtime option "--userinit" < 1242594292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1242594304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US culture is pretty nice. When you remove the corporations from it. < 1242594317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That is, when you remove the last 50 to 100 years of it. :p < 1242594372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt/local/bin < 1242594373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242594374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% maxima < 1242594376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maxima 5.18.1 http://maxima.sourceforge.net < 1242594378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Lisp SBCL 1.0.28 < 1242594379 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forbleborble McWarbleblorble < 1242594380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. < 1242594382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. < 1242594384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information. < 1242594386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(%i1) < 1242594388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1242594437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY xmaxima starts < 1242594462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly ugly, but! < 1242594497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOT NO WORKY. < 1242594567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's that Welho 110/5? < 1242594575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1242594580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1242594583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a wxmaxima. < 1242594590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1242594593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: context? < 1242594621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 10 minutes up. < 1242594632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pikhq: I measured my connection last weekend and it indeed managed something like 107/4.8 Mib/s < 1242594634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1242594647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do they do ipv6? < 1242594656 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know, doubtful. < 1242594658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useless. < 1242594665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on that connection now so I can't test. < 1242594700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Finnish ISPs probably don't, only Nebula or whatever it was that fizzie hyped. < 1242594714 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2012 they will :P < 1242594731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But Nebula doesn't do the fast! < 1242594738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are internetty people :< < 1242594759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2012, the US will still have people with 56k modems. < 1242594767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... As their only option. < 1242594778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even they will be on IPv6 :P < 1242594794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand how US infrastructure works. < 1242594797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a wxmaxima. <-- yes I use it personally < 1242594803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eer < 1242594806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word order < 1242594806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US will be the last holdout on IPv4. < 1242594810 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm being a happy optimist :P < 1242594816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect us to upgrade sometime after World War III. < 1242594818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how do you get just a simple maxima console with it? < 1242594821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can plot and stuff < 1242594832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um what do you mean. < 1242594837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just a regular maxima REPL < 1242594838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nebula's fastest one with a price that's not "ask us" is 48M/6M, which is basically two bonded ADSL2+ channels; and that's horribly expensive, $200/month or so. < 1242594838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maxima(1) < 1242594846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Speaking of. Anyone want to play global thermonuclear war? < 1242594850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would ask us imply < 1242594851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is what you get in the main text box of wxmaxima? < 1242594855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the input line below < 1242594858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, "Maxima process terminated." < 1242594866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i have to done configure shit < 1242594876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that sounds like what is technically called "a bug" < 1242594878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Probably at least more than that. < 1242594878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1242594885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it worked out of box for me on Gentoo :D < 1242594895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but also $$$ < 1242594907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: seems my maxima install isn't workin' < 1242594911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it < 1242594919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe path is wrong < 1242594924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maxima program: /opt/local/bin/maxima" < 1242594928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know, since it just worked out of box here < 1242594939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1242594940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's on their product list "SHDSL/EFM 2-100M" (and I think that technology implies the same speed both ways, so you could get 100M/100M) but it's probably a really large pile of $s for that. < 1242594943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1242594948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add "-s 4010" to additional parameters < 1242594954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1242594959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does that do < 1242594967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect maxima to server on port N < 1242594973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4010 was in the prefs as wxmaxima's port < 1242594973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1242594983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1242594989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maxima encountered a Lisp error: < 1242594989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function SETUP-SERVER is undefined. < 1242594990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel that < 1242594991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are no extra parameters here < 1242595096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wxmaxima preferences screenshot, in case it helps: http://omploader.org/vMW95dA < 1242595109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, you're using clisp < 1242595118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah sbcl had issues for me. < 1242595137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hm < 1242595139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, specifically, it doesn't work if you turn off overcommitting memory. < 1242595141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after setup-server failing it works < 1242595146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: duh < 1242595150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's its whole memory model < 1242595152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't turn that off < 1242595162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. I consider the program that needs it buggy < 1242595169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's by design < 1242595173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reserves a pool of memory < 1242595186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. But 8 GB? < 1242595198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with overcommits < 1242595238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fact that the OOM killer can kill any process. Not just the offending one (which isn't trivial to figure out either) < 1242595248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable the OOM killer, then. < 1242595273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, that is what I did, when you disable it, you disable memory overcommit < 1242595279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1242595281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird-ass. < 1242595304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you handle out of memory when overcommit is in use, without an OOM killer < 1242595308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would like to know how < 1242595328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can refuse to allocate < 1242595332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run out of real memory < 1242595342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, you already did when you overcommited. < 1242595349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1242595352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ran out of virtual memory < 1242595394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I have 1.5 GB RAM. So It would refuse to allocate that 8 GB block in either case. < 1242595408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1242595410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to your logic < 1242595413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't < 1242595416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then what exactly do you mean < 1242595420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 1.5GB of PHYSICAL ram < 1242595422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1242595424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only refuse to allocate when you run out of i < 1242595425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1242595426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1.5 GB swap < 1242595437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the 8GB would fail if and only if you were out of physical memory < 1242595453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is what overcommit is. But it doesn't solve the issue. < 1242595464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you could allocate those 8 GB and then start filling it! < 1242595465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what issue? it's overcommit without OOM killer < 1242595487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen when it loaded data in more than 1.5 GB + 1.5 GB of swap < 1242595492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know that < 1242595499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd not work. < 1242595504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would it fail < 1242595509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault? < 1242595561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, But what if the app filled all but one page of that. And then syslog came along and wanted two extra pages (it also pre-allocated that). < 1242595568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, syslog just segfaulted. < 1242595583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure this is such a good idea? < 1242595585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're out of memory. < 1242595587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit happens. < 1242595596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't expect everything to go swimmingly when you're out of memory < 1242595601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is why you disable memory overcommit < 1242595607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242595609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apps can handle it gracefully. < 1242595613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1242595622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least log an error and exit < 1242595626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently you're not listening to me, so I won't bother < 1242595638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, evidently you're not listening to me either. < 1242595651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and, OOM killer is exactly what you suggested above < 1242595659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh awesome, you have to use "wxplot2d" instead of "plot2d". < 1242595667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not. < 1242595675 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1242595684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it SIGSEGVs (or SIGKILLs forgot which) the process that tries to use more than the RAM around. < 1242595692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you just reinvented the OOM killer < 1242595696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONGRAts < 1242595700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONGRATS* < 1242595717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1242595728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a suggestion NOT involving the OOM killer. < 1242595729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the OOM killer uses a different algorithm to "the first process to request memory" < 1242595744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, it used to use that algo before though iirc. < 1242595763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc nowdays it tries to find memory offender and avoid init < 1242595767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1242595808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for today, anyway; bye everyone! < 1242595808 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242595810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242595826 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242595834 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242595855 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242596372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current OOM killer chooses the "worst" process, worst being defined as the one which gets most points from the badness() function; that's mostly based on the total memory size of the process, plus half the vmsize of its children (to kill memory-hungry forking servers), and tweaks (points /= sqrt(cpu_time), points /= sqrt(sqrt(run_time)), *2 for niced processes because they're unimportant, /4 for SYS_ADMIN/SYS_RESOURCE/SYS_RAWIO processes, ...) < 1242596427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very arbitrary < 1242596433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1242596470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's some sort of justification for most things, but for the time-based ones... "CPU time is in tens of seconds and run time is in thousands of seconds. There is no particular reason for this other than that it turned out to work very well in practice." < 1242596487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1242596521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general, that. sqrt one and sqrt-sqrt the other, *2 for something, /4 for something else... < 1242596533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "half of children" is there so that it kills servers with memory-hungry children, but (since it's only half) it kills a particular child if it's only that child that's eating most of the memory. < 1242596537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The justification is, of course, that it works well. < 1242596546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still don't like that kind of arbitrary stuff. :-/ < 1242596559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the actual amount of the adjustment is pretty arbitrary. < 1242596597 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1242596608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's actually first /4 for cap_sys_admin/cap_sys_resource processes, and then a further /4 for cap_sys_rawio, so I guess some processes could get /16 out of that.) < 1242596631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad top can't show the badness values; I'd actually like to know what it would kill first here. < 1242596691 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1242596691 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1242596755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, with 783/3951MB memory use it's not likely to kill anything, but still.) < 1242596756 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oom killer is the best solution i think < 1242596763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable overcommit isn't smart < 1242596956 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242596970 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242597057 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242597083 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242597493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can see it in /proc/pid/oom_* iirc < 1242597498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adjust a bias too < 1242597498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1242597506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it less likely to kill some specific process < 1242597551 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 182 (Connection reset by beer)" < 1242597694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, there's the oom_score. I did notice the oom_adj tweak though. < 1242597797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GOING TO BRUTALLY MURDER PAYPAL < 1242597812 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242597813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.This is a bit... suspicious. The process most likely to be killed is "vi oom_kill.c". Protecting itself, is it? < 1242598000 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242598009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you do, don't try to shut it off < 1242598021 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242598090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any help here? < 1242598102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to say what I need help with < 1242598103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to force paypal to let me pay with the money that I have in there already, without connecting it to RL financials? < 1242598182 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1242598185 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmpfs is awesome < 1242598187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for pid in [0-9]*; do echo `cat $pid/oom_score`: `cat $pid/cmdline | tr '\0' ' '`; done | sort -n | tail" seems to be a useful oom-score viewer. < 1242598206 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1242598206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those are NULs < 1242598213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc is awesome < 1242598220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to do that and wondering why my output was all b0rken < 1242598257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1153943: C:\windows\system32\services.exe < 1242598263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No surprises there :-P < 1242598281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it seems to want to kill a un-offending "vi" that has some random notes in it, and "urxvtd" (which would kill all my terminal windows) is second. Third is PostgreSQL. < 1242598294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that is my WM < 1242598296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would've though Firefox to be a candidate, too, but I guess it's been running for quite a while. < 1242598299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Thunderbird < 1242598322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then more Wine-stuff, then init. < 1242598329 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1242598406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1153943 is quite a score; my winner just gets 19574. < 1242598423 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd, ion is the worst < 1242598435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That little? < 1242598443 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 'tail' my lowest is 45405 < 1242598467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init is 93933 < 1242598469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have values 9807-19574 in the... "top-10", or "bottom-10", or anything. < 1242598479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Init gets 15644 here, #4. < 1242598489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Openbox, the current #2, is 593089 < 1242598498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your numbers are bigger. < 1242598518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't think you have *that* much more memory (or bigger processes), though; 4G here. < 1242598538 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bunch of zeroes with empty command lines, /sbin/udevd is the lowest 'real' process at 0 < 1242598562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got 8G of memory, init's virtual size is 3784 (K, I guess) < 1242598580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those empty ones are the kernel threads, I guess. < 1242598585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your uptime is just so huge? < 1242598585 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242598585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, and you don't have gettys? < 1242598603 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242598609 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agettys have a score of 29 < 1242598618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1242598633 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242598633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount.ntfs-3g has 17, being the second-lowest process with a cmdline < 1242598634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you replace the $pid/cmdline cat with "ps hp $pid" you get their names too, but that's not exactly interesting since the scores are 0. < 1242598648 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1242598666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lowest-scoring ones are at score 14: five gettys, klogd and acpid. < 1242598687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your uptime? < 1242598688 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the file that has the memory size? < 1242598701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1242598707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -c mem? ;-P < 1242598714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 13 days... < 1242598721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mine is less than 13 hours < 1242598771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1153026: c:\windows\system32\services.exe < 1242598776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1242598777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely no surprises there. < 1242598812 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh? < 1242598836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE. < 1242598858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1242598861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1435180: /usr/bin/openbox < 1242598866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took off, for some reason < 1242598892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :301: -:0 < 1242598895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck? < 1242598898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1242598927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I opened another "vi oom_kill.c", and it jumped to #1, with a 39198 score. It's definitely some sort of self-protecting thing. < 1242598934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :176: supervising syslog-ng < 1242598939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what that 'supervising' is about < 1242598964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4173: SCREEN < 1242598969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"528: -:0" too. < 1242598971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is argv[0] SCREEN? < 1242598985 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a -:0 < 1242599015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2324: /usr/bin/../lib32/../bin/wineserver < 1242599019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242599033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "-:0" seems to be wdm, actually. < 1242599036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My OS is much less self-protective; it only gave 13841 to a vim oom_kill.c < 1242599045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/../lib32/../bin/ < 1242599047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really. < 1242599059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, openbox is trying to show off < 1242599095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a subprocess of wdm, anyway. It's a sibling of the actual X server, the one that's the immediate parent of the actual X session. < 1242599131 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/login -- -> -zsh -> /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx -> xinit < 1242599152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would explain it, I guess. < 1242599165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, the ones I have score=0 (udevd and sshd) also have a -17 in the oom_adj file. I guess someone's protecting them. < 1242599193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, udevd has -17 here as well < 1242599194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"export SSHD_OOM_ADJUST=-17" in Debian's /etc/init.d/ssh script. < 1242599203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshd has no such protection and is at 405 < 1242599224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhcpcd and crond are much lower, at 64 and 45 respectively < 1242599267 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242599268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're trying to avoid the "tra-la-la, I'm remotely administering my system that's 500 miles away in a locked room... hmm, I seem to be running a bit low on memory, let's see... hey, why did it get disconnected?" case. < 1242599293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense, but I can't really conceive of a case where sshd would be the one to be killed < 1242599297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Murphy's law says the frustrated OOM killer is just going to kill the shell. < 1242599332 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'sort -n' on the output of that has a higher value than firefox < 1242599342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(15214 vs. 12882) < 1242599364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about SCREEN uppercasing its name earlier, too. Not sure why it does that. < 1242599437 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1242599449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!strncmp("screen", ap, 6)) { strncpy(ap, "SCREEN", 6); /* name this process "SCREEN-BACKEND" */ < 1242599456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really a justification there. < 1242599465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even name it SCREEN-BACKEND. < 1242599477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strncpy(ap, "JOE", 3); /* name this process JACK */ < 1242599483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1242599533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That test is done "while (ap >= av0)" and after that there's ap--; < 1242599540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh.This is a bit... suspicious. The process most likely to be killed is "vi oom_kill.c". Protecting itself, is it? < 1242599541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1242599545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another reason < 1242599557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus Torvalds use µemacs < 1242599557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09 bsmntbombdood: hehe < 1242599557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09 bsmntbombdood: tmpfs is awesome < 1242599559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1242599670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome when you have 12gb of ram < 1242599706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, would be enough to build open office ON A RAM DISK right? < 1242599713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats... crazy < 1242599723 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1242599723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mind boggles < 1242599753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, would be a tight fit if you had source tree on ram disk too though < 1242599765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1242599766 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openoffice sucks though < 1242599768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do it < 1242599772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how long it tames < 1242599773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes* < 1242599805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not crazy < 1242599810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12GB is common for i7 < 1242599817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read context. < 1242599819 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of "common" < 1242599831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i7 is the uncommon thing. < 1242599833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did. < 1242599870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "crazy being able to build OpenOffice on a ram disk" < 1242599891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1242599893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'd say 6 Go is more common < 1242599900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 Go < 1242599901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sure < 1242599901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242599902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1242599920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giga-octets. < 1242599921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more like 6GB: 55% 12GB: 45% < 1242599928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i7 < 1242599935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Core i7 increases in popularity that ratio will shift < 1242599937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i7 is, well, excessive. < 1242599938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's true at all. :-P < 1242599946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :87 % of statistics are all made up on the spot. < 1242599948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Giga-octets. <-- really? < 1242599958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1242599958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i7 IS for mega-super-gamer-moneywasters... < 1242599981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while(*p) p-=9; < 1242599981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[0]=p[7]; < 1242599981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[5]+=p[0]; < 1242599981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[7]=p[0]; < 1242599981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-p[0]=0; < 1242599982 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For now, since it's the new thing. < 1242599982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p[5]+=p[7]; < 1242599984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1242599995 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Having more than one CPU core was like that a couple of years back. < 1242599999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: They're planning on a separate model for regular people. < 1242600005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core i6, iirc. < 1242600064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i5, I think. < 1242600074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure where they're getting the numbers from. < 1242600077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMac? < 1242600082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /dev/ass < 1242600099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i5 < 1242600104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core i5 (codenamed Lynnfield)[1] is an upcoming family of Intel desktop x86-64 microprocessors. It is scheduled to be released in the third quarter of 2009[2] using the Intel Nehalem microarchitecture and is a mainstream variant to the Intel Core i7 family < 1242600117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I predict that 6GB only being slightly more popular than 12GB for i7 will continue < 1242600125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also typing without one finger is hard < 1242600205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were in a gruesome industrial accident and lost a finger? Oh, not that? Aww. :/ < 1242600223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, actually < 1242600228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mainstream variant"? < 1242600232 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like shit variant < 1242600245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Because everyone is excessive like you :) < 1242600248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I!) < 1242600370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "mainstream" *is* an anagram for "mate rams in". < 1242600390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Erm. < 1242600475 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1242600476 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 12040 5095 6944 0 111 4362 < 1242600476 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 621 11418 < 1242600489 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1242600490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :621MB used. < 1242600491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1242600546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than i had in my last computer! < 1242600567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: there seems to be a tendency to overupgrade when you have obsolete hw :) < 1242600585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1242600605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, since you have so much ram, would you mind compiling something for me, which is too large for me to test. GCC OOMs here. < 1242600614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 74800 lines long C file. < 1242600621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loflgasm < 1242600635 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modularity is good < 1242600659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, current LostKing from my BF-to-(C|other backends planned) compiler < 1242600665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, it is auto generated. < 1242600668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'd take hours < 1242600669 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1242600670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point < 1242600671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hadn't run into "slabtop" earlier. It seems to be for when you want to see how the kernel's wasting memory. < 1242600673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. < 1242600675 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, why not < 1242600678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -O3 at least < 1242600689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd be happy with -O0 or -O1 < 1242600697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O0 ooms? < 1242600698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srs? < 1242600706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable overcommit :P < 1242600710 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it over < 1242600726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, uploading it < 1242600767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could compile it on that "64GB of memory" shell server, but I guess that would be abusing it somewhat. (And I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd actually added some ulimits there.) < 1242600783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/LostKng.b.c.gz compile with: gunzip LostKng.b.c.gz; gcc -std=c99 LostKng.b.c < 1242600785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bsmntbombdood < 1242600796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, better don't < 1242600816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the shell server is in test use right now, and they did tell us to report any problems. :p < 1242600817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm just interested in if it produces a correct program atm. < 1242600825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so don't then < 1242600844 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is it for? < 1242600845 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1242600845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... You still gzip things? < 1242600847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, If you do get a working binary: tell me how large it is < 1242600858 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: amd64 is ok then? < 1242600872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do -mtune=i7 < 1242600873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1242600875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yeah, but not Intel specifc. -march=athlon64 here :P < 1242600876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also -O3 < 1242600904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It's a generic shell server for all the university's... 10k or so students, I guess. < 1242600912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, -march=athlon64-sse3 for me, if gcc is recent enough < 1242600914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know that arch < 1242600915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, ^ < 1242600939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-march=athlon64-sse3 instead of -march=athlon64 -msse3? Whoo. < 1242600948 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice -n 19 gcc LostKng.b.c -std=c99 -O2 -march=athlon64-sse3 < 1242600950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, scheduling differences iirc < 1242600954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXnvVlNOcoM Pentium 3! < 1242600959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1242600959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: err < 1242600961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1242600962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :athlon on an i7? < 1242600965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about neutral amd64 < 1242600965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1242600967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogue ~ 32 % gcc -o LostKng LostKng.b.c -O0 < 1242600967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogue ~ 33 % ls -l LostKng < 1242600967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 htkallas users 1698778 May 18 00:55 LostKng < 1242600971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can actually run it? < 1242600975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, that was fast < 1242600986 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lost king anyway? < 1242600996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-march=generic -mtune=athlon64-sse3 < 1242600998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: brainfuck adventure game < 1242601000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work iirc < 1242601002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogue ~ 34 % ./LostKng < 1242601002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Kingdom < 1242601002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) Jon Ripley 2004, 2005 < 1242601002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck Edition v0.11 < 1242601006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to mostly work. < 1242601009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translated from BF-BASIC < 1242601012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "mostly"? < 1242601012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1242601014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1242601016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it finished? < 1242601019 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what processor is this? < 1242601020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how large < 1242601021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I mean, as far as I've tested. < 1242601028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just pasted you the "ls -l" up there. < 1242601035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, du -sh ? < 1242601040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(readable) < 1242601042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 64GB of ram < 1242601046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume several Xeons < 1242601048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or opterons < 1242601050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "2 x E5450 @ 3.00GHz" < 1242601051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it is something I can run, could you put it somewhere I can download it < 1242601061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice. < 1242601068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1242601071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are thos edual core? < 1242601073 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, mine's still not finished < 1242601075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're xeon harpertowns < 1242601077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Quad. < 1242601080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1242601082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least. < 1242601083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 cores then < 1242601086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is single threaded < 1242601090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter < 1242601093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was asking about the system. < 1242601101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I didn't give any flags, so I guess it should be quite generic. < 1242601106 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is only using 480mb here < 1242601112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can ou put it somewhere for download then! < 1242601116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to recompile his entire system < 1242601124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://users.tkk.fi/~htkallas/LostKng should work. < 1242601124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why on earth. < 1242601131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Changed CFLAGS. < 1242601133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gentoo. < 1242601136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they do < 1242601137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, text/plain? < 1242601146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um, and? You can recompile it as you go < 1242601146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: swat < 1242601148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just wget it. < 1242601154 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo there < 1242601155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ELF < 1242601170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't quite guess the content-type, since there was no extension. < 1242601173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, I just told what wget said < 1242601176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was quite silly < 1242601177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should've gzipped it. < 1242601185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs on my Athlon X2, anyway. < 1242601189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I've changed a few other things than just CFLAGS. < 1242601192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better guess for application/octet-stream < 1242601198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFLAGS is just the straw that broke the camel's back. < 1242601200 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap, now gcc is using 2.2g < 1242601204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, meh < 1242601210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, wow! < 1242601211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is octet-stream application/ anyway < 1242601217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, good question < 1242601217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1242601223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what categories are there < 1242601224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: just ^C it and "-O3 -march=i7 -mtune=i7" if you're in for the long haul < 1242601229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or xhtml+xml, etc... < 1242601235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :application, image, text, audio, video? < 1242601236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: then you'll get a result you can actually use... and that is super-fast < 1242601238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there any more < 1242601240 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how much ram did it use for -O0? < 1242601243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: march implies mtune < 1242601246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1242601247 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i don't want to run it < 1242601247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1242601250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA has defined application, audio, example, image, message, model, multipart, text and video. < 1242601254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: bah :) < 1242601265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'd like to be able to run it < 1242601274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fizzie just compiled it for you. < 1242601276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VRML, for example, is model/vrml. < 1242601286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: -march implies -mtune. < 1242601287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know < 1242601290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was -O0 < 1242601294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see the -O2 < 1242601297 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc needs a progress bar :P < 1242601300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he didn't do -O2 < 1242601303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did < 1242601308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: mtune is "do generic stuff that is faster on this arch", march is "do generic and this-arch-specific stuff that is faster on this arch" < 1242601308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242601309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he did < 1242601329 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: time -O2, i want to see how much faster than xeon is < 1242601329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see also man gcc < 1242601346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: its not current-gen xen < 1242601347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xeon < 1242601348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1242601351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is ram-bound < 1242601353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by and large < 1242601359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VRML, for example, is model/vrml. < 1242601361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1242601364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying thing with OS X's invert screen feature: it doesn't fix up subpixel rendering. < 1242601369 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bigger cache, etc < 1242601370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: VRML, for example, is model/vrml. < 1242601371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for the O2 now. < 1242601375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat myself. I repeat myself. < 1242601378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about example and message? < 1242601384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you got 8M of l3 < 1242601402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "The 'example' media type is used for examples. Any subtype following the media type syntax may be used in those examples. No subtype can be registered with IANA." < 1242601415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and 256 KB L2 right? < 1242601421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and GCC is single threaded. < 1242601424 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: his xeon has 6mb of L2 < 1242601428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 256K L2 per core. < 1242601431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know, goddamn! < 1242601436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop fucking saying that! < 1242601438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never disputed it... < 1242601439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep, but it will only use one < 1242601443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1242601448 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it finished < 1242601450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's message/http (RFC2616), message/disposition-notification (RFC3798) and so on. http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/ is the definitive source. < 1242601453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, nice < 1242601458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Well, it's not actually *my* xeon. < 1242601462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, upload it somewhere? < 1242601481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm kay < 1242601510 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1.2M btw < 1242601516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, go ahead! < 1242601520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1242601520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upload it < 1242601541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bsmntbombdood, upload it < 1242601573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -O2 is being slow... I'm not sure I'll bother running that for very much longer, given that there are other users for the system. Though using just one core out of eight is maybe not making them so unhappy. < 1242601584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does clang multithread < 1242601597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A progress bar would be nice, though. It's taken at least four minutes now. < 1242601604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: How long did your compilation take, anyway? < 1242601606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not afaik, You can't really multi thread on a single file well. < 1242601616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure you can < 1242601621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedures, for instance < 1242601644 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/cvazsv/a.out < 1242601651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good compilers nowdays consider the whole file at once, to be able to do interprocedural optimisation < 1242601659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i forgot to time it :P < 1242601666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but once they get down to compiling each procedure... < 1242601670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and some even considers the whole program at once. Like icc's -ipo mode < 1242601680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the code generation phase you mean? < 1242601683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't take long < 1242601691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally that is a tiny part of it < 1242601693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to just state "-O2 takes longer than 5 minutes" and be done with it; it's not really my box, can't abuse it like that. < 1242601699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: orly? -O0 can be slow. < 1242601712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With LDC, -O0 is slower than -O1 < 1242601714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for C or C++? Parsing both takes a lot of the time < 1242601719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wut < 1242601722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C is easy to parse... < 1242601722 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling isn't abuse! < 1242601728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Less code generated speeds up the LLVM backend < 1242601730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd hate having access, but not reign, to/on a powerful server < 1242601732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: heh < 1242601766 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. Anyway, it is. < 1242601797 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 8 minutes judging from irc timestamps < 1242601833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which gcc, btw? "4.3.3-5ubuntu4" at that server. < 1242601861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 4.3.3 < 1242601870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that thing's running ubuntu? < 1242601879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of worrying < 1242601898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's an excellent desktop OS, but... < 1242601906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I guess they want to just learn one thing well; all the Linux workstations run Ubuntu too. < 1242601940 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't been able to read my cpu temps < 1242601954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: er, lm-sensors thing? < 1242601954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It < 1242601961 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah < 1242601962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a miracle! ehird's in Sine! < 1242601967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242601970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get over yourself :P < 1242601975 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked fine in freebsd actually < 1242601982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: kyevan dragged me in yesterday < 1242601988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1242602043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Sine? < 1242602061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing. < 1242602064 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 5 minutes, 45 seconds < 1242602067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you asked that yesterday...) < 1242602073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and you didn't answer. < 1242602094 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now doing -O3 < 1242602095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1242602098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motherboard hardware-monitoring chipsets are all over the place, but I think "modprobe coretemp" + sensors should work rather more reliably. (Well, assuming they've updated the coretemp driver for i7 models, and it still supports the same things. I have no idea whether that's true.) < 1242602099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: -march=i7 < 1242602103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not tell now < 1242602104 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why < 1242602106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, -fwhole-program -combine -O3 -march=athlon64-msse3 -fgcse-sm -fgcse-las -fgcse-after-reload -fsee -fipa-pta -fipa-cp -ftree-loop-linear -ftree-loop-im -ftree-loop-ivcanon -fivopts < 1242602107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1242602108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: speed < 1242602119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is suboptimal for me though < 1242602121 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coretemp won't load,that's the problem < 1242602127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Well, the system couldn't have been *much* faster than yours, since it hadn't finished in 5 minutes. < 1242602127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: not runnable < 1242602132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he already compiled it for you. < 1242602134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device < 1242602147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.26 is not very new. < 1242602149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, core != i7 < 1242602152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1242602161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core != i7? What a meaningless equation. < 1242602164 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensors-detect says that's the right module < 1242602173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7 is of the Core family, though. < 1242602176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1242602177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1242602180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that core module is too old < 1242602180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core i7. < 1242602182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1242602184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that even Atom does the coretemp stuff, I'd guess i7 does too. < 1242602191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 2.6.29 < 1242602195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: What's your /proc/cpuinfo "model" number? < 1242602199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's running debian testing < 1242602201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he has that < 1242602207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1242602222 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model : 26 < 1242602249 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yes; that works with a newer coretemp module. So you'll get it sooner or later. < 1242602271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: arch might have the newer module :-P < 1242602275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4.3.3? Why not gcc 4.4 :D < 1242602282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has it on that arch computer already < 1242602287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Deewiant does too < 1242602297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/gcc/ # 4.4! < 1242602302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1242602303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gentoo is not bleeding edge with its compilers. < 1242602307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it's 0.1 better. < 1242602307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that above < 1242602308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1242602309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1242602312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1242602313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was looking for it as you typed. < 1242602322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay < 1242602337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just switched to 4.3 a few months ago < 1242602340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 4.1. < 1242602344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. < 1242602349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my gentoo box < 1242602355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record; compiled LostKng with -O2 also at home with this Athlon X2. It took 9 minutes, 18 seconds. Used up very little memory for most of the time, then jumped to some 2.3 gigabytes in the end. < 1242602358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't recompile everything! < 1242602360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I < 1242602361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1242602397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, recompiling for a new version of the compiler is highly recommended; the ABI sometimes changes. < 1242602406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% gcc -march=deathstation9000 < 1242602407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files < 1242602410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/college-students-use-glass-bottles-to-play-tetris-theme < 1242602414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting. And I only have 1.5 GB < 1242602420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: er, what about binary blobs? < 1242602429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lern2share < 1242602432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah I read the GCC changelog to figure out when it does < 1242602436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1242602443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er < 1242602444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2swap < 1242602450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird: lern2words) < 1242602466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I have swap too. another 1.5 GB. But using it == slow < 1242602474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said it just jumped at the en < 1242602475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1242602481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd only be a few seconds, I assume < 1242602486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Weird shit happens. < 1242602491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that sucks < 1242602501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rely on binary blobby sort of things < 1242602502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, minutes. I have 512 MB ram *free* + 244 MB swap in use < 1242602515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how long did it use >2 < 1242602515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1242602516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually: < 1242602518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1242602518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 1504 1065 438 0 77 231 < 1242602518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 755 748 < 1242602518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap: 1960 276 1684 < 1242602536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1G total free < 1242602538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wasn't actually looking so closely. Not over a minute. < 1242602550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how did you read that < 1242602568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -/+ buffers/cache sez 748 free < 1242602571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap says 276 free < 1242602580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap says 276 used. < 1242602581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you DO know that the kernel reserves a ton of memory for itself, right? < 1242602586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh < 1242602589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaligned irc client < 1242602591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where does it end up with 1 GB < 1242602599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2432MB free < 1242602601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fail2fonts < 1242602603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1242602611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "fail2"? lern2meme < 1242602629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather-iNot < 1242602654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually: in your i < 1242602660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1242602666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rebus < 1242602669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1242602671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1242602681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your i = Use i as referring to math < 1242602692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in your dreams" < 1242602697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad joke yes < 1242602705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beauty is in the eye(5) 5x5 identity matrix of the beholder. < 1242602708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you just came off as a drug-addled incoherent < 1242602709 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O3 finished < 1242602713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hehe < 1242602716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: srsly? < 1242602717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast. < 1242602722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your machine is smoking. gimme an ssh connection < 1242602724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, binary size? < 1242602731 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes, 18 seconds < 1242602735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no. Give me an ssh connection! < 1242602740 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: same as the other one < 1242602747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, same url? < 1242602760 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1242602763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, same binary size? < 1242602769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must mean that -O3 did not much < 1242602772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a very big coincidence < 1242602775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoptimization < 1242602776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very < 1242602778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1242602782 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/pxgzxh/a.out is the O3 < 1242602795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: superoptimization is totally impractical < 1242602801 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not exactly the same < 1242602803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sadly :( < 1242602808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: oh < 1242602813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is still interesting. < 1242602821 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are both 1.2megabytes < 1242602871 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone predict this compilation would take hours? < 1242602883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1242602888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have < 1242602891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i7s are too fast ;-) < 1242602918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's athlon was that much slower < 1242602924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do "-O3 -march=i7 -msse4.1" < 1242602926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I got that OOM message after just a few minutes on my own Sempron < 1242602929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it'll be ridiculously fast < 1242602933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: :P < 1242602934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: or try icc < 1242602939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is RAM bount, not memory bound < 1242602940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1242602944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1242602945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has sse4.2 too < 1242602949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do "-O3 -march=i7 -msse4" < 1242602953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM bound, not CPU bound < 1242602954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1242602957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should take about the same time < 1242602961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I said that ages ago < 1242602963 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i don't care about running it < 1242602964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1242602972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you should do it anyway, it'll just take 8 minutes < 1242602973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seem to be forgetting it though < 1242602978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, do it on GCC 4.4 < 1242602981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll be a ridiculously fast computation for ridiculously fast hardware < 1242602989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the graphite loop optimiser < 1242602989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1242603004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reshape loops < 1242603122 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once tried to compile the output of gperf on a large dictionary < 1242603137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gperf took 3 or so days i think < 1242603142 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gcc crashed < 1242603151 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1242603155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1242603160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaten any feces lately? < 1242603161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, you mean profiled feedback? < 1242603174 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gperf not gprof < 1242603189 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just from handling a large array of strings though < 1242603196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, oh the perfect hash one < 1242603196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1242603201 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"foo", * 100000} < 1242603216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, gperf works best on small sets. For large ones better use other hash libs. < 1242603227 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it had a load factor of like 400 < 1242603279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, try cmph < 1242603300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, it worked well for me on large sets < 1242603303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not THAT large < 1242603311 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, not worth it < 1242603316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a few thousand elements < 1242603319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried more < 1242603326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, http://cmph.sourceforge.net/ < 1242603340 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you playing lostking? < 1242603357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yes. testing that it works < 1242603374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, next step is to improve the BF-to-C translation < 1242603378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good brainfuck benchmark? < 1242603386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, mandlebrot.b < 1242603394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, esotope-bfc is a way better compiler < 1242603411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than in-between (the one that generated that output you compiled) < 1242603453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mandelbrot.b < 1242603455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do most the the basic stuff it does though. What I don't yet (since I haven't worked out a good way to do it reliably and that works on nested loops): loop-to-polynom < 1242603461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah thanks < 1242603473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: compile mandelbrot.b with esotope-bfc, hthen < 1242603475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242603481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he should < 1242603483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: compile mandelbrot.b with esotope-bfc, then "gcc -O3 -march=i7 -msse4" < 1242603483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1242603484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried it < 1242603490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 4.2 < 1242603491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it'll be jaw-droppingly ... fast. < 1242603491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1242603493 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me the c, i'm too lazy < 1242603499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: AnMaster can :-P < 1242603502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1242603505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1242603506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have esotope here < 1242603508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1242603508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: link to esotope-bfc < 1242603514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com < 1242603523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry: < 1242603527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1242603527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com < 1242603532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is clickable even! < 1242603547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i will supply this code on the condition that you use "gcc -O3 -march=i7 -msse4" :-P < 1242603558 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1242603564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: -march=i7 implies -msse4. < 1242603572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh? okay. < 1242603578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "gcc -O3 -march=i7" then. < 1242603581 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=esotope+bfc you mean :P < 1242603587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we're talking. < 1242603605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1242603616 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen http://google.com/search?q= < 1242603625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1242603626 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yodawg < 1242603627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1242603632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, it fails it seems < 1242603639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I suspect quoting fail < 1242603642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen = < 1242603643 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hah, it's downloading that page :P < 1242603647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 ++++++++++[>++++++>+>><<<<-]>+.>. [99] < 1242603651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh < 1242603653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1242603659 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas a stupid. < 1242603660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://pastie.org/481059.txt?key=nlsidb0ldiwfqybsv76tcg; "time gcc -O3 -march=i7 mandelbrot.b.c -o mandelbrot" < 1242603661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so how do you force it as text < 1242603663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the time! < 1242603668 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I dont' have a way :P < 1242603673 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen htp://google.com/search?q= < 1242603677 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :201 +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++.----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--.>-----. [730] < 1242603679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: then "time ./mandelbrot > /dev/null" 5 times < 1242603688 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh < 1242603695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhuuhuhuhh < 1242603695 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++..----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--. < 1242603697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't forget the time! < 1242603704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't so much different from mine < 1242603714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's hard to optimize such a program < 1242603714 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++..----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--.>-----. < 1242603719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1242603722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esotope seems to have dnoe a good job < 1242603737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (p[7] != 0) p -= 9; < 1242603738 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :142844 +++++[>+++++++++++++++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++>++++++++++++++<<<<-]>>----------.>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<---------.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++.<<------------------------------------------------------.--.>-----.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.----.>----.>----------------------------------------------.>--------------------------------------------.<+++++++ < 1242603739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how confusing < 1242603741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1242603746 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot.c:1: error: bad value (i7) for -march= switch < 1242603753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (p[7] != 0) p -= 9; < 1242603754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: upgrade gcc < 1242603755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how confusing < 1242603757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT < 1242603763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i looked at it and my brain broke for a second < 1242603764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that confusing < 1242603764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1242603765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int loopcnt8; < 1242603767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (loopcnt8 = p[43]; loopcnt8 > 0; --loopcnt8) { < 1242603769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty neat < 1242603776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: srsly, upgrade gcc just for this < 1242603777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vital < 1242603784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need i7/sse SHPEED goodness. < 1242603791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, I did that in "before", and I have the needed metadata already to do it. < 1242603795 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp google bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++..----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--.,[.,] < 1242603795 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter google installed. < 1242603800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just FYI < 1242603806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google let me google that for you < 1242603807 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=let me google that for you < 1242603811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I haven't got around to writing that pass yet. < 1242603816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: k < 1242603820 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly imperfect :P < 1242603837 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -march=native, running it takes about 1.2 seconds < 1242603839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have all the analysing data needed to do it all. Just need to write the optimiser pass that uses it :( < 1242603841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1242603847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:(/:)/ < 1242603857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google < 1242603858 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q= < 1242603985 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google esotope+bfc < 1242603986 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=esotope+bfc < 1242603993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does estope generate for the program in !google < 1242603997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUTS? < 1242604005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'll try < 1242604011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:43 bsmntbombdood: with -march=native, running it takes about 1.2 seconds < 1242604012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's slow < 1242604015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be able to do that once I get the loop unrolling done < 1242604016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top interp takes ~13 secs < 1242604034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1242604035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : PUTS("http://google.com/search?q="); < 1242604035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[3] = GETC(); < 1242604037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (p[3]) { < 1242604039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : PUTC(p[3]); < 1242604040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, output from my compiler running it takes about 2 seconds here. And my CPU is slow < 1242604041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[3] = GETC(); < 1242604043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1242604046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice < 1242604050 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1242604069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not perfect, though < 1242604071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I get this currently: http://pastebin.com/m1dc332dd < 1242604074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to assign to the tape < 1242604080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah. < 1242604081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it has to use a variable < 1242604082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whatever < 1242604087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1242604089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope is sweet < 1242604110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I already do the const, out -> out_const. Just not the loop flatterning < 1242604112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll try life.b now < 1242604114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to add that < 1242604119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link to it? < 1242604123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm missing it < 1242604124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/brainfuck/life.bf < 1242604128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1242604141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bf/b/ since the person evidently doesn't know about befunge-98 < 1242604141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mvs it to .b < 1242604145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1242604154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy nested loops batman < 1242604155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that is befunge 93 < 1242604158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242604160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typed 93 < 1242604161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typoed < 1242604161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge98 == .bf98 < 1242604166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1242604167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1242604167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.b98 < 1242604168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1242604168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b98 < 1242604169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1242604172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typoed too < 1242604185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of solidarity or something. < 1242604185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life and mandelbrot don't get much constantizing < 1242604194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is hard to do in them < 1242604199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet someone's been testing on lostkng's stupid generated code < 1242604201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, still < 1242604210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have studied mandelbrot quite a lot < 1242604215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to figure that out < 1242604230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get a list of march's < 1242604255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1425889 < 1242604258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, man gcc < 1242604261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that < 1242604264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know what to grep for < 1242604286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, grep for k8, that lands you in the right section (x86 specific) < 1242604287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is much shorter. over 300 lines for esotope < 1242604288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why? < 1242604293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wow < 1242604301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pastebin your life for esotope! < 1242604316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed context there for a second < 1242604317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and went wtf < 1242604326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1242604333 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this song is awesome < 1242604335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your paste lin < 1242604335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ee < 1242604341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastebin.ca/1425899 < 1242604342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1242604349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:51 AnMaster: ehird, pastebin your life for esotope! < 1242604354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know what life meant there < 1242604355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second < 1242604359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples/life.b.c lines 425-470/470 (END) < 1242604369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is longer? < 1242604372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine I mean < 1242604374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1242604376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked shorter < 1242604383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to font/browser-editor size differences < 1242604386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lack of indentation I guess < 1242604400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indention isn't needed in auto generated code < 1242604409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W.T.F. < 1242604409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I need that while reading it I do astyle on it < 1242604412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i know < 1242604416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it jsut threw me off < 1242604417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1242604418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1242604420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gcc < 1242604422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "W.T.F" < 1242604422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have < 1242604424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core 2 < 1242604426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizations < 1242604428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just prescott and p4 and shit < 1242604429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how old < 1242604437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version < 1242604438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0.1; it's ancient but not THAT ancient < 1242604441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries gcc-4.2 < 1242604446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that ancient < 1242604452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not older than core2. < 1242604460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-4.2 has core2, huh. < 1242604468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% time gcc-4.2 -O3 -march=core2 mandelbrot.b.c -o mandelbrot < 1242604478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-4.2 -O3 -march=core2 mandelbrot.b.c -o mandelbrot 1.56s user 0.25s system 18% cpu 9.958 total < 1242604492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy it's slow < 1242604500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.5 seconds first time < 1242604507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff.c does it in 13 < 1242604512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an interpreter! < 1242604513 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, mine compiles in 1.4 seconds on the wall < 1242604514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.7 second time < 1242604527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1242604539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~5 seconds for -O3 here on my Sempron < 1242604541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1242604553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY COMPUTER IS FASTER THAN YOURS < 1242604555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the one generated by my compiler < 1242604563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just Eddie's in the space time continuum < 1242604566 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: give me your code < 1242604567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yeah, 2 GHz Sempron 3300+ < 1242604581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now life.b time < 1242604585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, http://pastebin.ca/1425908 < 1242604592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is mandlebrot < 1242604595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% time gcc-4.2 -O3 -march=core2 life.b.c -o life gcc-4.2 -O3 -march=core2 life.b.c -o life 0.21s user 0.04s system 21% cpu 1.145 total < 1242604599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gimme some life.b input < 1242604605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1242604607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the syntax < 1242604609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1242604612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't know of it < 1242604614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until now < 1242604615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1242604640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time gcc -std=gnu99 -O3 -Wall -Wextra -o life examples/life.b.c < 1242604640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.894s < 1242604640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.696s < 1242604640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.042s < 1242604654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know how you do it < 1242604657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"while Sweden turned down the euro in a 2003 referendum, and has circumvented the obligation to adopt the euro by not meeting the monetary and budgetary requirements." < 1242604657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me < 1242604662 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your code takes 1.9 seconds, compared to 1.2 for the other compiler < 1242604667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hah, take that, EU! We're gonna be poor so you can't force your currency on us." < 1242604669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Sweden < 1242604678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: row/col turns it on < 1242604683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about UK and Euro < 1242604685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then an empty line steps a simulation < 1242604686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and to run it? < 1242604689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1242604702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the UK just said "we're fat lazy euro-hating bastards and we'll do what the fuck we want k." < 1242604716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay < 1242604746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to get a glider: < 1242604748 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp google < 1242604748 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter google deleted. < 1242604766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes? < 1242604773 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp google bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++..----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--.,[>[-]>[-]<<[>+>+<<-]>>>[-]++++++++[<---->-]<[[-]>+<]>-[<<[-]>+++++++[<++++++>-]<+>>[-]]<<.[-]<,] < 1242604773 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter google installed. < 1242604775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1242604777 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google hello world < 1242604777 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=hello+world < 1242604779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1242604783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha