< 1240617659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pull. < 1240617665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1240617690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the disclaimer that if I rebase again you might have to clone again. :-P < 1240617696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I got it right. < 1240617717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bugfixes are only on the 'master' branch. < 1240617729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep now -------> < 1240617802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: eek < 1240617805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out the problem < 1240617808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to hack the ldc code < 1240617816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use extern (C)s < 1240618199 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240618240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never needed that? < 1240618253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On OS X. < 1240618258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1240618260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes? < 1240618272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the LDC developers are braindead. < 1240618502 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240618514 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240618519 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1240619513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240619522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... < 1240619537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report a bug then < 1240619545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is known. < 1240619553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are doing nothing. < 1240619557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they all use linux-32. < 1240619759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sorta works on linux-64. < 1240619768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the two architectures it can work on. < 1240620287 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.166.121.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240620307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240620314 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1240620603 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240621464 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-65-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240622418 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240624027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judge seals court after it's argued that discussing the details of CSS would "violate trade secrets." < 1240624065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said judge needs to read a certain epic haiku, methinks... < 1240624082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION picks up his eye after it rolled out
< 1240624432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You have a glass eye? < 1240624486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a metaphorical eye < 1240624550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those roll very smoothly < 1240626799 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1240629084 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240630885 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha < 1240636396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240636469 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240637212 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240637266 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240640027 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1240641412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240641474 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to rule the world < 1240641480 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This lyrics site sucks. < 1240641520 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does an epic haiku consist of 24 chapters with an average of 17/24 syllables each? < 1240642006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Sadly, no. < 1240642257 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240642900 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240643770 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240644016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240644133 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1240645234 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@121-73-178-22.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240646399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1240646400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1240649159 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240649186 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240650625 0 :tombom!n=tombomp@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240651181 0 :tombom_!n=tombomp@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240652162 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240652162 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1240652793 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240653423 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240654173 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@90.60.152.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240656158 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240657105 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240657115 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240657150 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240657300 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1240658141 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@85.166.58.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240659132 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240661355 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-89-89.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240661563 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1240663474 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-110-163.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240664608 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240666045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Time dilation seems strong today" < 1240667592 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240668992 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240669572 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240670988 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240671116 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240672336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1240672340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240672355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I ran into a product with non-plug-and-play USB today btw. < 1240672369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things are like that on Windows, it seems < 1240672373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not windows < 1240672418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same eletrical piano that I mentioned before. I tried connecting the usb cable while it was turned on, it didn't work until I turned the piano off and then on. < 1240672467 0 :shahri!n=shahri@dslb-088-078-202-049.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240672470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "plug and play" was wrong word. Rather "connect while powered on" < 1240672474 0 :shahri!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240672487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which to me is part of "plug and play" < 1240674168 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@91.105.79.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240674189 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240674312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240674323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to say something that anyone who knows me - probably esp. ais523 as I rant to him a lot - < 1240674327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will think I've been replaced by a double < 1240674349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, those lines were rather in character, what's your out-of-character line? < 1240674361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you suddenly decided you like Ubuntu's font rendering, for instance? < 1240674379 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1240674383 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1240674427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi noogah, why the beh? < 1240674436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably busy hating his mac. < 1240674452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd manage compiling sadol to C using C constructs, but now i am afraid that i'd rather should compile to realy basic operations and hold own stack and variables doing for registers < 1240674454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides making an announcement that you're about to say something important and then not saying it is somewhat out of character for ehird
< 1240674473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was waiting for nooga to start idling, so that my insanity could be undisturbed < 1240674493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed out of character < 1240674516 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nope. i just discovered RubyCocoa < 1240674526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you want to run that on an iphone? < 1240674527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1240674530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things got better instantly < 1240674534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing will be slow as fuck < 1240674555 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, but now i'm happily coding desktop apps < 1240674567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought making iphone apps was your job :p < 1240674572 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1240674603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm trying to relax < 1240674810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sartak works on taeb right? < 1240674821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sartak's chief maintainer, I think he invented it < 1240674831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blog post of his is on reddit, heh < 1240674839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does TAEB use Moose? < 1240674844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I read that as "saitek" first. < 1240674846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sartak-doy pair of repositories is a walled garden, and TAEB mainline < 1240674857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walled garden? < 1240674859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, TAEB not only uses Moose but is a rather useful testcase for it < 1240674861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB's development model sucks... < 1240674874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a dvcs to distribute cathedrals < 1240674879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they only autopull from each other, patches from outside have to be approved by Sartak or doy < 1240674879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure that makes semantic sense < 1240674905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's a sort of cloud around the outside which pull from each other sometimes and from Sartak/doy mostly < 1240674912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of me, sorear, shabble at the moment < 1240674918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributed cathedrals. That sounds... insane? completely nuts? < 1240674925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't cathedral-style < 1240674937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the development process happen, and test patches as much as you like < 1240674942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just have to be reviewed before they get into mainline < 1240674945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240674951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a sane way to run any project, really < 1240674969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that makes more sense. < 1240675187 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cathedral O-o < 1240675724 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240675734 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moose vs Doodle => Doodle < 1240675942 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-142-27.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240676689 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240677055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using loop for loop condition
< 1240677241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, how do you mean? < 1240677289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, do you mean like while(strlen(a[i++]) > 3) < 1240677298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strlen() would have a loop in itself) < 1240677304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like while(while() {}) {} < 1240677308 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1240677326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, It isn't valid in C I think, so what language allows this? < 1240677330 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadol < 1240677334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240677354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C you could just do it with a function for the condition loop < 1240677364 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1240677377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so allowing it inline like that is just syntactic sugar. < 1240677378 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so compiling sadol to C using C constructs sucks < 1240677400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, err it is easy, factor that out into a new function < 1240677401 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need to generate dummy function for that loop < 1240677404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1240677429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meny functions = many calls = slow < 1240677433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static inline int sadol_func_autogen973(foo); < 1240677441 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1240677448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well inline needs C99... < 1240677459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but inline functions are almost never used inline < 1240677462 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked < 1240677468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, if you are GCC specific you could use statement expressions < 1240677481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes they are at -O2 and higher mostly. Never at -O0 < 1240677482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1240677491 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statement expressions? < 1240677496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ({ ... }) < 1240677501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({ printf("yo\n"); 2+2 }) < 1240677502 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240677504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluates to 4 and prints yo < 1240677512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while (({ shit })) < 1240677515 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(printf("yo\n"),2+2) < 1240677517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240677525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a ful statement < 1240677526 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also works < 1240677530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({ int foo = 2; foo }) < 1240677532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works < 1240677540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: also, evaluation order thing < 1240677540 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1240677542 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1240677543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x++,x+2) < 1240677545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is undefined < 1240677548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs ({ x++; x+2 }) < 1240677553 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes this compiler trivial < 1240677562 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, translator < 1240677565 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1240677586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240677602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY FUCK < 1240677603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OCz PCI-E 2.0 x4 SSD...250GB, 500GB, 1 TB. $1,300, $2500, $3,300 " < 1240677609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3,300. Shit. < 1240677625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just crazy. A 1TB SSD _already_? < 1240677630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... $3,300?! < 1240677632 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1240677635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell will spend that much on a drive?! < 1240677687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, those prices were actually pulled out of a proverbial ass IIRC < 1240677705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1240677713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, nobody would pay that much for a drive. < 1240677718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how much an awesome computer costs! < 1240677727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really mega rad. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox rad. < 1240677730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep: 'final pricing is still being kept under wraps, we're told that it'll be kept "competitive."' < 1240677739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1240677743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3k is so competitive < 1240677755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3k still being pulled out of one reddit submitter's ass. < 1240677759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1240677760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1240677783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if those drives will be any good; nothing about random speeds, as usual < 1240677796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: apparently they're basically vertexes < 1240677807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were the vertexes the good or the bad ones? :-P < 1240677811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ones. < 1240677814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel-competitive < 1240677989 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-30-127.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1240678126 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240678172 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-89-89.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240678430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, statement expressions are GCC specific. < 1240678444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI < 1240678448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you said that < 1240678927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so what < 1240678932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1240679144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1240679146 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm japanese < 1240679230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1240679827 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned out that i'm japanese < 1240679959 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1240680056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: errr < 1240680157 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i took that quiz on facebook and suddenly... < 1240680168 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1240680265 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm Vincent Vega < 1240680370 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.166.252.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240680433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL KILL SECOND LIFE. IF NOT BY MY BOMBS DETONATING AND CRASHING THE MAINLAND SIMS FOREVER, THEN BY THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE OF LL FROM THE FEAR OF THE RESIDENTS < 1240680458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240680468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You're so emotional about such a shit game. < 1240680472 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@91.105.79.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240680498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240680499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x++,x+2) is not undefined; , introduces a sequence point. < 1240680502 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1240680507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rly? < 1240680509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1240680551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was joking < 1240680554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, according to my imperfect knowledge, anyway. , and ?: and I guess the short-circuiting &&, || all add sequence points in there. < 1240680560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: poe's law < 1240680561 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did sort of plan out how I would do it < 1240680576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: && and || surely don't add a sequence point? < 1240680577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1240680616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wouldn't work, except maybe for the fear part. < 1240680633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they do indeed add a sequence point, from left to right < 1240680636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they short-circuit < 1240680641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunh. < 1240680648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i++&&i++; is legal C code < 1240680661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i=i++&&4; isn't < 1240680672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just having a sequence point isn't enough, it also has to be in the right place < 1240680775 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@91.105.79.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240680782 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240680944 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1240680971 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC comes to my mind < 1240680993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some IOCCC code lying around designed to be maximally standards-breaking whilst still working < 1240681009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all sorts of fun things like void main and longjmps that jump into functions rather than out of them < 1240681017 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?! < 1240681027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dumbass"[2] is legal? < 1240681028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken by pretty much any optimizer settings on any compiler, but it works without optimization < 1240681031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes < 1240681034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is 2["dumbass"] < 1240681037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2["... yeah < 1240681052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the weirder features of C is that [] is commutative < 1240681060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're golfing, you can sometimes save a pair of parens like that < 1240681066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*("dumbass"+2) < 1240681094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dumbass"[2] being legal is surprising why? < 1240681095 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt know that < 1240681096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that one works < 1240681097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works in every language ever. < 1240681137 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240681168 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* beh() ... beh()[] ? < 1240681177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1240681238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm does Funge-98 say anything about how standard IO is encoded? < 1240681246 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct blah* beh() ... beh()->bla < 1240681266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, ldc will be fixed "later today" < 1240681278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [0, 1, 2][0] doesn't work in LSL < 1240681281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and are you allowed to reflect on invalid encoding of IO? Like if program tries to output malformed UTF-8. < 1240681289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL does not count as a language so much as an abomination. < 1240681291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does llGetPos().x < 1240681349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess, sure < 1240681367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thing is, with Erlang R13B and later standard IO is defined to use Unicode. either unicode code points (for strings, which are cons-style lists of integers) or utf-8 (for binaries, which are basically byte arrays) < 1240681444 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering how to solve types in sadol to make it fast enough
< 1240681651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, "Implementation unusualities" sounds like an odd section name for a README file.... < 1240681655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got a better idea? < 1240681684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation uselessities < 1240681689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "Implementation oddities" < 1240681692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is idiomatic < 1240681702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "Implementation oddities" doesn't sound too bad. < 1240681702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Implementation curios", if you're a pretentious fuck. < 1240681714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240681749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, C++0x has type inference < 1240681750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I suspect some of those things in your obfuscated C are just GNU C stuff. < 1240681764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nah, I want it to work on other compilers too < 1240681767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm *pretty* sure that longjmp'ing into functions is legal in GNU C) < 1240681772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said *some* things. < 1240681772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it isn't < 1240681777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1240681789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about it, it makes no sense < 1240681791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, whatever. You're not trying to comply with any standards, so... ;) < 1240681805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more amusingly, gcc gives several warnings but they're all wrong < 1240681810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: c++0x has closures with lambda syntax < 1240681815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also optional GC iirc < 1240681819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty bloated < 1240681824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, call it c++1x, that's what it will be < 1240681837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on Slashdot said [](){}(); was legal C++0x, although not what it did < 1240681853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] prefix is the weird ass lambda syntax < 1240681856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's < 1240681858 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1240681858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda with no parameters < 1240681861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda () ) ) < 1240681862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an empty body < 1240681863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And calls it < 1240681865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240681868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, thought so. < 1240681869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a no-op < 1240681888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, language question: "erlang add some env variables..." "..."by itself" or "...on it's own" < 1240681895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other phrase? < 1240681903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd complain about how much C++10 adds, but, well, it's C++. It's already a mess. < 1240681905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what you mean < 1240681906 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240681918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that there are environment variables added just by running Erlang that aren't there normally < 1240681918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "adds some" < 1240681920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not add < 1240681936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "erlang adds some environment variables of its own", which means something slightly different but is clearer < 1240681936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm trying to say that in efunge y won't show exactly the env variables you think it should, since erlang itself adds some vars as well as modifies PATH < 1240681972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I just missed s there. I know it should be "adds". < 1240682013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so for what I meant, which alternative is the best < 1240682054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, AMD has released a new processor... which is competitive with Intel's *last* range of processors, and still as thermally challenged as their last. < 1240682057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME. < 1240682074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "erlang adds some environment variables of its own" < 1240682083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just "adds some environment variables" < 1240682094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "Erlang adds some environment variables of its own as well as modifies $PATH." ? Though that sounds slightly wrong. < 1240682115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 7 Handwriting Recognition can handle equations and convert them to mathML" ← omg I've wanted this for years. < 1240682122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better to split it in two sentences. < 1240682145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, it doesn't convert them to the weird OOXML version of equations? < 1240682156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/e7/WindowsLiveWriter/InkInputandTablet_E2A5/clip_image014_thumb.jpg < 1240682159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, stop writing what I planed to say faster than me! < 1240682163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaawesome < 1240682164 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai < 1240682167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it now < 1240682190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem with Windows nowadays is it's so awful as a dev environment < 1240682198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything that isn't completely a Microsoft stack from top to bottom < 1240682204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240682242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and all the annoying notifications and dialogs < 1240682247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I always found it faster to write it in the LaTeX notation for it than on paper with a pen. I suspect that is unusual though. < 1240682256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the freezes for no apparent reason, although that's much worse on a network than a home computer < 1240682257 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1240682432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call the encoding of unicode using their code points. Not any UTF-*, just a list of code points. < 1240682460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the same as UCS4 or not? < 1240682461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-32. < 1240682469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ucs-4 < 1240682473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240682478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240682480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240682483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what about byte order then. hm < 1240682488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240682490 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are the same. < 1240682494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode ends at 0x10FFFD < 1240682500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit less than 32 bits < 1240682504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 0x10ffff. < 1240682507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right < 1240682547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this implies the program would output 4 bytes for each char it wanted to output? < 1240682557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's UTF-32/UCS-4. < 1240682567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like UTF-16 outputs at least 2 bytes. < 1240682581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses utf-32. < 1240682587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's horribly unefficient. < 1240682588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for interchange, no. < 1240682589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1240682589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that isn't what I meant then. I meant that each time , is used you should provide one unicode codepoint as the "parameter" < 1240682591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-efficient < 1240682599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's handy for internal use, though. < 1240682601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're not saying anything meaningful < 1240682609 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much easier to work with a constant-width than a variable-width encoding. < 1240682613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm trying to. < 1240682623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: utf-8 is not that hard to deal with < 1240682636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you still have to deal with it. < 1240682637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably the easiest part of processing unicode anyway < 1240682639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's harder than just indexing an array of ints. < 1240682643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a silly complaint < 1240682655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, for instance, stores characters as essentially UTF-32. < 1240682657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240682680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have to move onto UTF-64! < 1240682690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit is all the rage nowadays... < 1240682699 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so there will be surrogate-surrogate area? < 1240682702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does anyone else here use uint_fast8_T for booleans? < 1240682702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 20-bit characters, it's a bit pointless. :-P < 1240682712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you can store two utf-32 characters in a utf-64 word! < 1240682725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uint_fast8_t < 1240682727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bit actually uses less memory!!111 < 1240682737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a uint_fast1_t... < 1240682740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my name is keiosha i was 7 but i am 8" < 1240682741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8ff2p/keiosha/ < 1240682745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zen. < 1240682786 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wapanese < 1240682841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what I'm trying to do is come up with a way to describe that to output a ⌁ you would need to push 8961 then use , < 1240682849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than output it as utf-8 bytes-. < 1240682853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-// < 1240682870 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::({}) < 1240682881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what? < 1240682892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The input of , is a Unicode code point which is translated to UTF-8 for output"? < 1240682994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I leave translation of it to erlang's standard io driver. The API docs state you should provide it as a list of unicode codepoints or some utf-8 encoded binaries. The former is easier for befunge since you get one char at a time. < 1240683002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I also get input that way < 1240683006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a list of codepoints < 1240683026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The input of , is a Unicode code point which is translated to a platform-specific encoding for output" < 1240683048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The input of , is a Unicode code point which is encoded in a platform-specific way before being output" < 1240683138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would work < 1240683162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also providing an invalid code point will reflect in efunge. Like one out of range for unicode. < 1240683181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about one in the surrogate range/ < 1240683221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well since I reflect when I catch a badarg exception in the output code and erlang throws one of those for that range too it will reflect for that as well. < 1240683234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I remember correctly which one is that range < 1240683251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d800-dfff < 1240683277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was the one I was thinking of. < 1240683286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it throws an exception < 1240683304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cast led < 1240683311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> catch io:put_chars([16#d800]). < 1240683312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'EXIT',{badarg,[{io,put_chars,[<0.25.0>,unicode,[55296]]}, < 1240683320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intel.com/index.htm?iid=hdr+logo ← hahaha wow look at that guy < 1240683321 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240683322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%% some lines with backtrace skipped < 1240683329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an inverted Intel ninja! < 1240683356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1240683377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240683377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240683379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240683382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240683385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240683387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes cleanrooms tends to invert ninjas < 1240683387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— intel.com < 1240683390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well known fact. < 1240683397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah it's to prevent them being too sneaky < 1240683402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stealing the processors < 1240683441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, plus it is hard to make sure there is no dust on the black clothes. It is supposed to be a *clean* room after all. < 1240683448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnHero < 1240683470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: can you just go away until you do anything other than vague, one-word, aborted attempts at pseudo-humour < 1240683472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1240683491 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240683496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what nooga meant though.
< 1240683501 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1240683503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "an hero" is a 4chan meme. < 1240683512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1240683520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means someone who killed themselves. < 1240683521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not) < 1240683527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240683543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring 4chan drama background that nobody gives a shit about: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mitchell_Henderson < 1240683557 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, my brain continues to melt, especially when i'm browsing /b/ using my new, shiny, macbook < 1240683562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240683573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a unicode codepoint" or "an unicode codepoint" < 1240683585 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an < 1240683588 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hero < 1240683589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a. < 1240683597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i thought you agreed to go away < 1240683605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1240683607 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i forgot < 1240683639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "unicode" start with a vowel sound? The fact that "u" is vowel in Swedish doesn't help when I'm trying to think about this... < 1240683643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a* < 1240683653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u is a vowel in english too. < 1240683657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't start with a vowel sound. < 1240683668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a vowel sound < 1240683669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240683670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240683677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's yewnicode < 1240683678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like it's "a yew" and not "an yew" < 1240683680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y is a consonant < 1240683690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: JEW BUDDIES *hi5* < 1240683690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240683691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*YEW < 1240683699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was seriously unintentional I swear) < 1240683704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240683705 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1240683723 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unicode sounds weird < 1240683783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, y is a vowel in Swedish too < 1240683796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is all vowels < 1240683798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather different sound (as you might expect) < 1240683799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aueuaoeiaoeuaioe < 1240683810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from "bork" < 1240683865 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi slutar < 1240683873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vi(1) is for sluts?" < 1240683879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\?"$/"?/ < 1240683879 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ;d < 1240683892 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tell him < 1240683916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:vi is en:we. It sounds rather the same. < 1240683940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe "same" is not quite the word here. < 1240683982 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slutar? ;) < 1240684038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop, end, quit, something like that. < 1240684046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sluts! < 1240684071 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryck for karta < 1240684073 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1240684100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "to close", I guess, too. Funny how they've overloaded it. < 1240684109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST LIKE C++ < 1240684122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240684124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar like intercal < 1240684126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operand overloading < 1240684129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that right ais523? < 1240684130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240684132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I guess to close would be "sluter" in that verb-form. < 1240684134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like simultaneous operand overloading < 1240684137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ITRALCEN < 1240684143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the base form is "sluta" for both still. < 1240684144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1240684151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we've been calling vi users sluts. < 1240684152 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi slutar < 1240684152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been paying attention... < 1240684156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, vi slutar == we finishes/ends. < 1240684163 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryck for karta < 1240684164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we finishes < 1240684185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, "print for map"? < 1240684189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we finishes" is gramatically incorrect in English; was the original phrase gramatically incorrect too? < 1240684203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :men fra ungdom? < 1240684205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasn't. < 1240684208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1240684225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, that must me Norwegian or Danish < 1240684235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/be/ < 1240684271 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :min bror tallar svenska ;d < 1240684272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Or "to close", I guess, too. Funny how they've overloaded it. <-- English "go" is very overloaded too < 1240684295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is all of åka, gå, resa, cyckla + a lot more < 1240684337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, why *does* English do the verb differently in "I/you/we/they foo" and "he/she foos"? It's not like they'd have a habit of inflecting words. < 1240684354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, backward compatibility. < 1240684356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other languages do for everything, English generally does in exactly one case < 1240684359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to confuse people < 1240684378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like "I was" -> "I were" is one of the few places in English where a word is different in the subjunctive < 1240684386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Swedish doesn't do *that* one though. Not for verbs. < 1240684401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French, Latin, and German all do < 1240684404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the "s" stuff in third person. < 1240684405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish does, too., < 1240684406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's most of the influences on English < 1240684409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything like that. < 1240684416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjectives is of course a different matter. < 1240684421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Finnish is not really a large influence on English, I guess. < 1240684434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en röd bil, ett rött hus (a red car, a red house) < 1240684451 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't tryck = press? < 1240684462 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean press (a button) < 1240684492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, well yes that is one of the meanings. you also have "tryckeri" == "a place that prints books, papers or whatever" < 1240684499 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240684500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing works I think it is? < 1240684511 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1240684524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, also it has more overloaded meanings. < 1240684542 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so press < 1240684544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryck can be a verb, noun or adjective depending on context. Meaning different things. < 1240684547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in english < 1240684570 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press = newspapers / to press / a machine / ... < 1240684572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know how to translate the adjective one. < 1240684620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about..... vanlig vs ovanlig < 1240684631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, we also have "press", not exactly like English press, also with many meanings. < 1240684640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, "common vs uncommon"? < 1240684650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where did you get these phrases from? < 1240684660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really should've generalized the o-prefix so that "oovanlig" would be again the same as "vanlig", and that you could apply it to exactly everything. < 1240684665 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember from sweden < 1240684673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I heard that as a joke < 1240684681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, clearly same as ununcommon < 1240684719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I flycka <-> oflycka? ;d < 1240684729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is flycka < 1240684731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our negation prefix in that case is "epä"; it's unwieldly long. Ununcommon would be "epäepätavallinen". < 1240684747 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i though that means a girl < 1240684754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's flicka < 1240684777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "opojke". :p < 1240684778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, so you would use "ungirl" in English? < 1240684782 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240684791 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definately < 1240684836 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also unboy; never the non-prefixed words. Complexity is always a good thing. < 1240684847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prefix is only generally usable for adjectives in Swedish, some verbs too but not most verbs. You can use "un" on more verbs in English than in Swedish. < 1240684860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ungirl yourself", meaning "You (a male-to-female transsexual), have another sex change back to male." < 1240684864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The endless are possibilities! < 1240684879 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought maybe since vanlig = animal and ovanling = monster? then oflicka would mean monster too ;d < 1240684891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what... < 1240684898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is "vanlig" == animal < 1240684911 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, i heard that < 1240684912 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240684917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you were misinformed < 1240684923 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1240684927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanlig == common, ovanlig == uncommon < 1240684929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said above < 1240684932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa :D < 1240684941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get clearer < 1240684963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how about..... vanlig vs ovanlig nooga, "common vs uncommon"? < 1240684975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you missed it. < 1240684980 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't pay attention < 1240684991 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jerking off to my macbook < 1240685014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dirty < 1240685026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it's a white macbook, maybe it won't show so much. < 1240685029 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-113-098.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240685031 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's white. < 1240685046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 nooga: i was jerking off to my macbook < 1240685046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 AnMaster: that sounds dirty < 1240685048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1240685059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm wanna have sex with you. If you know what I mean." < 1240685062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'m// < 1240685111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow < 1240685132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Cisco have released a server proxy hardware thing that just filters out spam and viruses < 1240685133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1240685145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no false positives? < 1240685152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! < 1240685165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the "nothing else" would imply if taken literally < 1240685196 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1240685213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, writing technical Nomic judgements about scams atm, so I'm rather literal-minded < 1240685240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1240685241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1240685249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't see any other interpretation than that one. < 1240685270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe... < 1240685271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that the proxy isn't designed to do anything other than spam or viruses, so it can't load-balance or cache, for instance < 1240685276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the product has no other functions? < 1240685284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that would make sense. < 1240685323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1240685327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1240685338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous having a whole server just to do that < 1240685370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous that you can't install both features on the same hardware server. But I guess they make more money that way... < 1240685439 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1240685501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zero Width Non Breaking Space" .... huh (yes I know it is used for BOM in UTF-16 and such... but why not call it "Byte Order Mark" instead of a zero-width space...) < 1240685501 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240685652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a zero width non breaking space too? < 1240685664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BOM is purely incidental < 1240685707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, they moved zero width nbsp to a different codepoint < 1240685713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the old one could be used purely as a BOM < 1240685716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, that is, I might be wrong < 1240685813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use is a zero width nbsp (apart from BOM)... < 1240685826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it does absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. < 1240685860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero width breaking space I could see an use for, same for non-zero width non-breaking space. < 1240685878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am ignorant of non-Latin languages. < 1240685909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so how is zero width nbsp used. As far as I can tell it has absolutely no effect on output, in any script. < 1240685921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, in Arabic it breaks the word up < 1240685928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it prevents two consecutive letters forming a ligature < 1240685930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have two words that should not be joined < 1240685935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what ais523 said < 1240685938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they have zwj and zwnj specifically for that nowadays too < 1240685943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, but aren't lugatures separate code points... < 1240685948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1240685948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lugatures! < 1240685952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ligatures* < 1240686088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm pretty sure some are at least: fi fl < 1240686096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, definitely < 1240686114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in some scripts, entire words are normally written joined-up < 1240686119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff ffi ffl st ſt < 1240686124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have a ligature for every word in the language < 1240686127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah. < 1240686131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1240686150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said "zwj and zwnj" were used for that < 1240686173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240686175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what use is zwnbs nowdays then < 1240686188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal padding? < 1240686202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1240686203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditionally NUL was used for that, but it's not the most obvious character for the purpose and that's kind-of hacky < 1240686214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if your connection to a terminal's faster than it can physically print out text < 1240686224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you have to slow down the connection by sending padding < 1240686227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240686246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said today, not in the 70s < 1240686249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not relevant with modern technology though < 1240686251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240686259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? Unicode deals with everything < 1240686268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cunieform isn't modern technology either, it deals with that < 1240686271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04 Blah12309: ×amsg× < 1240686272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, utf-baudot? < 1240686274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over and over again < 1240686283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think there is one < 1240686286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think he's trying to crash something < 1240686287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in #git) < 1240686290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what a pitty < 1240686293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there /is/ a UTF-5, isn't there, but it isn't Baudot-based < 1240686296 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240686303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a 5-bit Unicode encoding, anyway, for URLs < 1240686305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't know of that one < 1240686313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-9 too. < 1240686315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't that punycode? < 1240686331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a common nickname for it < 1240686337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-9 was an April Fool's RFC < 1240686337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240686348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a sane enough format, just with few uses nowadays < 1240686356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is punycode the thing with xn-- or whatever < 1240686415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240686461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're the open source Radeon linux drivers called? < 1240686467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do they have accel yet < 1240686483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and I don't know < 1240686487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's radeonhd and the other one < 1240686496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: apt-get install the other one < 1240686496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240686497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu's pretty good at finding drivers automatically IME < 1240686498 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radeonhd doesn't have accel, the other one does, I think < 1240686503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it finds proprietary ones. < 1240686515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice to have a fully-accellerated open source driver. < 1240686516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the other one only supports older cards. < 1240686517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, catalyst? < 1240686518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it finds open-source ones if it can, and gives you the option to use proprietary instead < 1240686525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so, no 4850? :< < 1240686530 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. < 1240686532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fglrx? < 1240686542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the closed source ones < 1240686542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: catalyst are ATI ones, closed source i think < 1240686549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing just fine without accel for almost half a year now. :-p < 1240686554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240686556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fglrx=catalyst < 1240686563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I want compiz < 1240686568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I think they renamed or something at one point < 1240686571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can't have it < 1240686579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure I can, with fglrx. < 1240686584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you on linux now < 1240686589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wouldn't be so sure < 1240686594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you still in a vm < 1240686597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not yet. I'm figuring out how much of my soul needs to be sold first. < 1240686598 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fglrx support compositing these days? < 1240686601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240686602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't last I checked < 1240686626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well. When I tried Kubuntu on this machine, which is a Radeon, I got fancy effects. < 1240686637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gfx card is -- lessee - < 1240686638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1240686645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Radeon X1600 < 1240686661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather the crap < 1240686672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That might be one which the other one supports. < 1240686683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catalyst 9.3 2009-03-27 improved OpenGL composite support, last release to support pre X2xxx (pre DirectX10) Cards < 1240686686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1240686690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's news. < 1240686705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want compiz, I mean it is the worst type of eye candy. All of what I have seen of it falls in the same category as the "make minimizing windows in OS X look like they are sucked into the dock by a vacuum cleaner"-effect (possible to turn that off luckily). < 1240686718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just want window shadows. < 1240686719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe all those screen shots are not representative of it. < 1240686724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They help usability IME. < 1240686724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for Expo, that's pretty helpful < 1240686734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They help pick out windows and differenciating between them < 1240686738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz doesn't just have eyecandy, but also window-manager UI improvements < 1240686738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: offloads work onto the GPU < 1240686743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure you can get that anyway. I have a 1 px blakc shadow on this window I think < 1240686747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black* < 1240686748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 1px shadow? < 1240686749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop shadow < 1240686750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a shadow. < 1240686757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a Windows 3.11 "Shadow" < 1240686757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2 px actually. < 1240686762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left alt, left shift, up shows all the windows so you can pick between them; Mac OS X had an equivalent idea first < 1240686769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lightweight though! < 1240686779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expose tends to get less useful the more clutter you have IME < 1240686781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Compiz implementation is better for me because works well using nothing but the keyboard < 1240686782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it for a year or so < 1240686788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does OS X's < 1240686789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err I have seen the same thing without compiz actually < 1240686792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I generally don't have all that much clutter < 1240686794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F9, then left and right and up and down < 1240686795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enter < 1240686800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some app for KDE 3.x that didn't use compiz < 1240686802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did it too < 1240686807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, F9's miles from the arrow keys < 1240686813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catalyst 8.5 2008-05-21 Catalyst A.I., improved 2D performance, DKMS support in installer, Linux 2.6.25 support. < 1240686818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-shift-up followed by arrows followed by letting go of alt-shift is so much faster < 1240686818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays video drivers need AI built in. < 1240686832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a good thing you can configure the hotkey < 1240686843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, only to an F-key, or a left/right modifier key < 1240686843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240686849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter two are ridiculous to override < 1240686853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the return at the end customizable too? < 1240686857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : F9, then left and right and up and down <-- err I'm quite sure it doesn't need that on os x either? < 1240686870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use the hotkey. < 1240686872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works too < 1240686874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a single f-key iirc < 1240686877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant to use expose only on the keyboard. < 1240686882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please PLEASE read context! < 1240686904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I'm quite sure it is on OS X too. I used it on a ibook with 10.4 not long ago. using just one of the f-keys (forgot which) < 1240686928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH < 1240686931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS NOT FUCKING DISPUTING THAT < 1240686933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S "F9" < 1240686941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS GIVING INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO NAVIGATE IT WITH JUST THE KEYBOARD < 1240686941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what were the arrow keys for then < 1240686948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headdesk
< 1240686953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240686955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of 2008-12, many issues still remain: Video playback occasionally has quality and stability problems, especially in Xine[7]. 2D benchmarks show that ATI cards using these drivers are two orders of magnitude slower than the competing NVIDIA cards in basic tasks such as text rendering[8], making even graphic consoles feel sluggish." < 1240686958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ ok, fuck fglrx < 1240686986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is what you get for selecting ATI... < 1240686998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: having to use another driver? < 1240687002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN I POSSIBLY COPE. < 1240687010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the other drive work well nowdays? < 1240687030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which other driver < 1240687035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the open source ones < 1240687051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you didn't find the name of it. < 1240687087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xf86-video-ati < 1240687095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The radeonhd driver, or xf86-video-radeonhd, is an X.org video driver for R500 and newer ATI graphics devices. It is being developed by the X11 community, currently centered around Novell and AMD, with the free documentation provided by AMD. < 1240687096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The driver supports full modesetting (read: any mode is usable, not only those provided by the BIOS), and is compatible to RandR 1.3. Future work is happening especially on more advanced features like 2D, 3D, and video acceleration. < 1240687100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more advanced features. < 1240687104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like accelleration! < 1240687106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of any kind! < 1240687117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*acceleration < 1240687122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't exactly basic either < 1240687134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: xf86-video-ati's first google result is a cgit repository viewer < 1240687137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME. < 1240687152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati < 1240687152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Available versions: 6.6.3 6.8.0-r1 6.12.1-r1 ~6.12.2 {debug dri} < 1240687152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Homepage: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ < 1240687156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful url. (not) < 1240687162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"17 Apr 2009: AMD releases initial code branches for 3D support on R6xx/R7xx (see more below)" < 1240687175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean that it's just got 3d support? :P < 1240687183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1240687184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather that the branches became public. < 1240687187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R600/R700 class chips (Radeon HD 2300 – Radeon HD 4890): < 1240687187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D: accelerated (EXA), a new feature (see radeon:r6xx_r7xx_branch) < 1240687188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XVideo: accelerated and tear free, a new feature (see radeon:r6xx_r7xx_branch) < 1240687190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D: experimental, development in two places simultaneously; mesa r6xx-r7xx-support, r6xx-rewrite, both need drm r6xx-r7xx-3d | instructions for usage at radeonhd:experimental_3D < 1240687196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new feature and experimental < 1240687200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check which model you have too < 1240687205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4850 < 1240687207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ how old the driver is. < 1240687216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best one you can get fanless) < 1240687237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that better or worse than a geforce 7600 < 1240687248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 4850 is the third most powerful single gfx card that ati does < 1240687253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4850, 4870, 4890 (just released) < 1240687272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd probably guess better < 1240687284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeForce 7600 cards go head to head < 1240687284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multitude of mid-range options < 1240687285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I strongly suspect you *will* have issues with getting that card to work well. < 1240687285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Geoff Gasior — 12:00 AM on June 9, 2006 < 1240687291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geforce 7600 was mid-range in 2006 < 1240687301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... 4850 is better**a lot < 1240687319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can it execute a infinite loop in less than 6 seconds!? < 1240687331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it does not come with a Cray < 1240687336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the 4890X2 will < 1240687356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually where is that "meme" from... < 1240687362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 70s < 1240687374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A standard joke has been made about each generation's exemplar < 1240687375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of the ultra-fast machine: "The Cray-3 is so fast it can < 1240687376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : execute an infinite loop in under 2 seconds!" < 1240687380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240687381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the 1996 jargon file, woe as I am to quote Raymond < 1240687388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that paragraph probably predates him < 1240687392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raymond wasn't around for any of that shit :) < 1240687505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21 AnMaster: ehird, I strongly suspect you *will* have issues with getting that card to work well. < 1240687513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240687514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine i'll get it to do compiz fine, with some hiccups < 1240687520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, i'm not buying this machine tomorrow < 1240687524 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION met ESR in person :o
< 1240687527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and open source is light speed development, right? ;) < 1240687530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: my condolences < 1240687536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just don't claim it is Linux's fault if it doesn't work. < 1240687539 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that. < 1240687561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's linux's [drivers] faul < 1240687561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1240687602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For R6xx and above there is also an ATIProprietaryDriver available, which is worse in many aspects but has better 3D performance and features. The proprietary driver included support for R3xx-R5xx GPUs until the March 2009 release. " < 1240687615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shitty shitty fglrx beats the experimental open source one < 1240687623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather it is the fault of the manufacture. If I make some piece of hardware, I wouldn't expect anyone else to write the needed drivers for talking to it for me. < 1240687624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even wanna consider how bad the opensource one must be! < 1240687638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jooin us nowww and share the hardwaaaaaaaaaaare < 1240687647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL BE FREEEEE SILICONE YOU'LL BE FREEEEEEEEEE < 1240687649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240687651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silicon < 1240687651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1240687665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wut... < 1240687673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE FREE SOFTWARE SONG?! < 1240687679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS RMS'S WORST MASTERPIECE! < 1240687683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh < 1240687688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.au < 1240687691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting problem: can anyone here think of a decent way to bruteforce Rainbow Adjacencies in a reasonable length of time? < 1240687725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens in his new headphones
< 1240687732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't, they might break. < 1240687769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible sound quality in the recording.... < 1240687778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the most horrible thing about it < 1240687788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he talks, not sings < 1240687790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1240687797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he just sings really badly < 1240687813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure about that... < 1240687819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in 4/4 < 1240687826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that doesn't excuse its horribility, ofc) < 1240687831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just saying that's why it sounds like talking) < 1240687861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have heard songs in 2/4 3/4 and so on that was clearly singing. < 1240687864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were* < 1240687876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is 7/8 < 1240687889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's more like shit/shit < 1240687898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm unable to detect any rythm at all < 1240687909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is horrible I agree. < 1240687984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, the place I'm getting it from offers ubuntu linux as an OS option; it would be rather odd if they sold a totally ubuntu incompatible gfx card with that. < 1240688001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1240688010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you going to use ubuntu on it < 1240688016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240688024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, are you going to select it to be pre-installed < 1240688027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240688037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they charge $30 for it, the buggers < 1240688049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to do the freaky ssd LVM alignment stuff myself < 1240688052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that makes me suspect it needs a lot of fiddling < 1240688064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same on all their pcs, AnMaster < 1240688071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me suspect they're profitable buggers. :) < 1240688079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves these new headphones
< 1240688083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only downside: price. < 1240688092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go on then, tell us the model, I know you can't wait to < 1240688113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you insist... < 1240688114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyer Dynamics DT-150 < 1240688135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$239? < 1240688136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it is "BeyerDynamics" < 1240688140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not particularly expensive < 1240688149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BeyerDynamic < 1240688169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not very cheap either. Plus currently the exchange rate for SEK sucks. < 1240688218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you have a soundcard? < 1240688225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to think of one reason to have a separate soundcard < 1240688227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm at a loss < 1240688253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean I haven't mentioned it's hardware midi before? < 1240688265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I have an old SB Live! 5.1 PCI card. < 1240688269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1240688271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soundblaster live. < 1240688272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit. < 1240688275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate ! in brand names. < 1240688282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god. Shit. < 1240688284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about it? It works well. < 1240688285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ancient. < 1240688286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDI eats up CPU unless your sound card can do it < 1240688288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1240688302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's better than anything that comes on a motherboard, though. < 1240688307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough. < 1240688320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err cpu isn't as much of an issue really. < 1240688322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently SoundBlaster drivers are shit on linux. < 1240688323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GPU has a sound card on it < 1240688325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the delays you get... < 1240688326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are < 1240688329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me :( < 1240688329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240688330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU < 1240688332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound < 1240688334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1240688336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1240688349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio < 1240688357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, nice. < 1240688362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can use my 4850 as a sound card? < 1240688367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1240688368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate other activity causing MIDI to suddenly pause. < 1240688370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^ < 1240688372 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if there's any point in it. < 1240688375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That sounds nice. < 1240688387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, you said anything's better than mobo soundcards :P < 1240688399 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT YOU SAY < 1240688399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I said the SBLive! was. :-P < 1240688402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rafb.net/p/FC6hs393.html < 1240688414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think there are some mobos with "good" sound cards on them. < 1240688430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audio < 1240688430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADI® AD2000B 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC < 1240688430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. codecs in the hardware and such. < 1240688431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support Jack-Detection, Multi-Streaming, and Front Panel Jack-Retasking < 1240688433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coaxial / Optical S/PDIF out ports at back I/O < 1240688435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— mobo specs. < 1240688442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says codec, at least. < 1240688446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240688457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) < 1240688458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDE? < 1240688459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fr'srs? < 1240688476 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b1) < 1240688481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1240688484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDE: SATA II < 1240688484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have both PATA and SATA on this. < 1240688492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooow. PATA. Memories. < 1240688515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be a waste to throw away the old pata disk, it can be useful still. < 1240688533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the open source driver's rating for Compiz on the 4850 < 1240688539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s R700 chipset is "PLATINUM". < 1240688545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240688545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is meant to be quite good. < 1240688554 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1240688557 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1240688561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it may need fiddling though. < 1240688562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "GARBAGE" rating on one of them. < 1240688564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1240688588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is my first computer with nothing in PATA except the floppy drive. < 1240688591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wut driver ur uzing < 1240688597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For wut < 1240688600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240688600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ati < 1240688604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radeonhd < 1240688607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, floppy using PATA < 1240688609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1240688609 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No accel, like I said. :-P < 1240688629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, whatever that thing is that they use which is like an ATA cable but smaller. < 1240688640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, It isn't ATA at at all iirc. < 1240688676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the name though < 1240688690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess xf86-video-ati or fglrx are my best bets. < 1240688705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt -ati will work with such a new card < 1240688712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R600/R700 class chips (Radeon HD 2300 – Radeon HD 4890): < 1240688712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D: accelerated (EXA), a new feature (see radeon:r6xx_r7xx_branch) < 1240688714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XVideo: accelerated and tear free, a new feature (see radeon:r6xx_r7xx_branch) < 1240688715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D: experimental, development in two places simultaneously; mesa r6xx-r7xx-support, r6xx-rewrite, both need drm r6xx-r7xx-3d | instructions for usage at radeonhd:experimental_3D < 1240688718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ, sir. < 1240688726 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, was that from -ati? < 1240688728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was /b/ish < 1240688730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I experimentally beg to differ! < 1240688743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon < 1240688743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the pointer to radeonhd at the end I thought it was radeonhd < 1240688773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The driver is relatively mature and does perform quite well for professional OpenGL applications. Some gaming applications do work reasonably nice, some others might still expose some minor or major problems. 2D performance is below of what the open source DRI drivers do provide, but is still acceptable fast for everyday work. The set of drivers still is bound to XFree86 4.0.0 and X.Org 6.7.0, but might get updated to be compatible with the latest X.Org < 1240688775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : release. Further updates and inclusion of GLSL are expected for one of the very next releases." < 1240688787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fglrx is better at 2D, radeon is better at 3D, and all are shit-slow at everything. < 1240688805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw the sound in these headphones is crystal clear, oh and they are roubust. My old headphones (very good sound quality) broke some days ago. And constructed so you couldn't repair them basically. These ones are "all user serviceable parts" basically. < 1240688805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *almost* enough to make me go nvidia. < 1240688817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try all three and pick one. < 1240688835 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "For R6xx and above there is also an ATIProprietaryDriver available, which is worse in many aspects but has better 3D performance and features." < 1240688844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Great, the wiki is contradictory. < 1240688845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awsum < 1240688859 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i don't think so < 1240688860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is a common screwdriver (flat head) + the part number to order a spare. < 1240688885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the best fanless card the endpcnoise guys offer is the Asus EN9600GT; which appears to be a low-end thingy. < 1240688894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fanless nvidia, that is < 1240688913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Where do you get that radeon is better than fglrx at 3D < 1240688935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: They said fglrx is better at 2D than radeon, I assumed the "2D" was intentional < 1240688951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I have mentioned my SB Live before, why did you go all "wow old" over it. < 1240688955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read too much into these things :-P < 1240688958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... "As of 2008-12, many issues still remain: Video playback occasionally has quality and stability problems, especially in Xine[7]. 2D benchmarks show that ATI cards using these drivers are two orders of magnitude slower than the competing NVIDIA cards in basic tasks such as text rendering[8], making even graphic consoles feel sluggish." < 1240688965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really inspire confidence. < 1240688977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1240688980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from 2007-02 < 1240688995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HD 2xxx (R600) and new driver codebase with big performance improvements.[1] " < 1240688996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-09 < 1240688998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "As of 2008-12" == " That's from 2007-02" < 1240688998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240689000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUUUT < 1240689004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the benchmark linked < 1240689006 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-5-96.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240689006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is from 2007-02 < 1240689010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240689017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as I said: "HD 2xxx (R600) and new driver codebase with big performance improvements.[1]" < 1240689032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still < 1240689033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7#c24 < 1240689037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you may need to use svn/cvs/whatever versions of the drivers then < 1240689044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude. < 1240689049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was improved 2007-09. < 1240689053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last release was THIS MONTH. < 1240689064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And it's closed source. < 1240689070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, didn't you say before it got 3D 17 April or something < 1240689072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can get "svn" versions of closed source drivers. < 1240689083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you talking about different drivers < 1240689086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it got *improved* OpenGL composite support 2009-03-27 < 1240689092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240689093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got opengl 3 support on 2009-01-29 < 1240689098 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1240689103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm assuming it supported 3d a lot before all that < 1240689107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Catalyst A.I., improved 2D performance, DKMS support in installer, Linux 2.6.25 support. " < 1240689109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-05 < 1240689115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the 2D/3D performance is fine these days < 1240689121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the AI improved it for them < 1240689138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you do a lot of 3D I guess? < 1240689141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have x86_64 versions too, yay < 1240689157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not neccessarily; but why would I get a 4850 and then use it as a slow 2D card? :-P < 1240689166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be remarkably wasteful. < 1240689188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure, but it would be rather impractical to not be able to do any 2D tasks due to them being wasteful < 1240689198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to write a 3D irc client for example < 1240689200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240689204 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1240689206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second IRC < 1240689211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1240689213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbr < 1240689216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb* < 1240689218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION evaporates a couch
< 1240689224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1240689224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On screen: A COUCH APPEARS AND EVAPORATES < 1240689229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Second IRC" < 1240689232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's an example < 1240689264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Ubuntu's fglrx version is A LITTLE BEHIND < 1240689265 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION evaporates vapour
< 1240689268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature comparing the last two columns, it seems the choice is fairly arbitrary :-P < 1240689271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.6 < 1240689276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest is 9.4 < 1240689288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Debian, what do you expect? < 1240689290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.6 was released 2008-06 < 1240689295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ubuntu is generally more cutting edge. < 1240689301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all Debian to me < 1240689349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY, The fglrx driver thing can make .debs < 1240689355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's very all okay then < 1240689498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1240689592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1240689598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway other 3D apps you would need: < 1240689621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs 3D or vim 3D < 1240689649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glbash < 1240689659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glzsh < 1240689664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1240689665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240689669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is zshGL < 1240689677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgslh < 1240689683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less pronouncable. < 1240689698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I guess the devs would consider that a drawback with that name < 1240689716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like awesomeback < 1240689719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zshgl sounds better than glzsh I think... < 1240689752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no they aren't esoteric, they are interested in serious people using their products. A name that is easy to remember is a good thing then. < 1240689763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what other apps would you use. < 1240689773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is not very serious. < 1240689779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Firefox3D. < 1240689782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you plan to use for your typographyfilia < 1240689784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elements float around the page. < 1240689792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Typophilia. < 1240689805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, I don't think X's very typographical. < 1240689822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't taht eb soneone ttat worte liek thiis < 1240689825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240689828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what < 1240689836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, typo as in spelling error < 1240689839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1240689856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240689863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o=oh < 1240689864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240689868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1240689881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that is why Typophilia isn't a good name, too easy to misunderstand. < 1240689891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typhophilia < 1240689896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaningless ,but memorable < 1240689916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you love typhoons < 1240689921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1240689956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, there is always TeX. Now you need a 3D variant of it. < 1240689957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1240689960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choon < 1240689964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use tex < 1240689971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's not meaningless, it means a love of typos < 1240689977 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate dutch accent in english < 1240689977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240689980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's typophilia < 1240689987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well what would you use for typography stuff then. < 1240689999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1240690003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typographing isn't an activity in itself... < 1240690024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, stuff like micro-typography and what not. < 1240690039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not obsessed down to the micro level. < 1240690053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, optically straight margins < 1240690064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use xetex if I wanted to write a book < 1240690073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, um, I don't. < 1240690080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway you need to develop 3D typography now < 1240690096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1240690100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I don't mean that "wordart" thing in Office 97 < 1240690109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but done properly < 1240690113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: remember the windows gltext screensaver? < 1240690125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 3d text (just 2d text with some depth), that batted around the screen < 1240690131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, we must make 3d books on the same principle < 1240690139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1240690139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :House of Leaves will never be the same again < 1240690140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, it displayed the current time didn't it < 1240690145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could set what it displayed < 1240690148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current time or constant string < 1240690150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1240690153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "house of leaves" < 1240690165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Leaves < 1240690172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tl;dr: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/HouseOfLeavesPage134.gif < 1240690209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d typography should glue graphens into little cubes casted on the paper plane < 1240690210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, post-post < 1240690222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -post-post-post-post-pre-modern < 1240690235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, it got so far the word "modern" is no longer in it. < 1240690244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240690288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read finnegan's wake sometime < 1240690288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Footnotes containing footnotes for the win < 1240690291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just post-post. As in "after after" < 1240690313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually that I have seen in plain post-modern < 1240690319 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Finnegans* < 1240690324 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple waapl gwwap uggwa kuugw ikkug < 1240690327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: One of the early discworld novels has a page that's 3 or 4 lines of actual text, then a few gigantic footnotes < 1240690343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *Wake too. < 1240690346 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph < 1240690347 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine and does happen < 1240690349 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh* < 1240690354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I was more about the apostrophe. < 1240690362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You accidentally the more. < 1240690366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the apostraphe. < 1240690368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes and Disworld books have nested footnotes sometime < 1240690373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes* < 1240690375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just huge ones < 1240690378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240690379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trentu.ca/faculty/jjoyce/fw-3.htm < 1240690380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is worse < 1240690385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnegans Wake, online. < 1240690392 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they would, Pratchett writes that way < 1240690392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Revolutionary, indeed.) < 1240690436 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i've met Pratchett < 1240690437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ehird Consider the books by Jasper Fforde. Where sometimes the main *story* takes place in the foot notes. Oh and they use the footnotes as a phone system. < 1240690441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes very post-modern. < 1240690443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Poznan, Poland < 1240690449 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was hilarious < 1240690451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I want a book that's just footnotes < 1240690453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is:" < 1240690454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, wow. < 1240690456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"$// < 1240690459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutenberg has Ulysses, but not Finnegans Wake < 1240690460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something happened.[1][2] < 1240690464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]It happened at 3am.[3] < 1240690470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2]It was[4] interesting. < 1240690475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Something happened.[1][2][citation needed] < 1240690478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3]Rather early, you[7] might say[3]. < 1240690483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4]For some values of "was". < 1240690486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So on, for the whole book < 1240690517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the last foot note should end with [citation needed]. Or maybe loop back to the first one. < 1240690601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Heh < 1240690602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1240690620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1013]Which was the most interesting thing about the thing that happened[1][2]. < 1240690625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Strange_&_Mr_Norrell had some huge foot notes spanning 4 or 5 pages iirc. < 1240690635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, something like that yes. < 1240690707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or maybe more like "[1013]Blah blah (all loose ends have been neatly handled in the story by this point). Then suddenly... something happened[1]." < 1240690720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure it is the same time of day of course < 1240690721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240690736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe one of the footnotes in the middle should idly reference that time was proved to be circular < 1240690753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering "circular time" yes. < 1240690763 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240691515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION orders some shiny Ubuntu CDs
< 1240691533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.canonical.com/images/904_3D_ubuntu_wallet_disc.jpg ← prettiest cd packaging ever < 1240691551 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : It looks like a cheap wallpaper < 1240691557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1240691597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I don't even have a desktop background image < 1240691601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using gratuated colour < 1240691604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*graduated < 1240691616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm using a single uniform colour < 1240691624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very light blue, almost white < 1240691630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what cols? < 1240691636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used the same for, uh... 4 years I think < 1240691637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark reddish purple and dark bluish purple < 1240691664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is all-black, I never see it anyway < 1240691674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people and your darkness. < 1240691676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you pirated Vista? < 1240691676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apart from AnMaster. < 1240691682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BADUM-TISH!* < 1240691682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate dark colours < 1240691684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is Linux. < 1240691687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1240691688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Whoosh < 1240691695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a black background, therefore it's a pirated version of Vista < 1240691695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Quite. < 1240691705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what colour/pattern the walls in this room is < 1240691725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is this a reference to something? < 1240691729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240691737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell < 1240691740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is an illegal pirated Vista version made by Linyos Torovoltos < 1240691741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it is same as the ceiling < 1240691742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Windows Vista, if you pirate it, the desktop background is set to all-black every 10 minutes or so < 1240691753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: orange? < 1240691759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ultraviolet < 1240691761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, white/uniform < 1240691769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one theory as to why is so that Microsoft can spot pirated versions via screenshots < 1240691779 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240691784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor is some kind of greenish though < 1240691787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's subtle enough that it doesn't put off legit users whose computers are detected as pirated by mistake < 1240691795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what is the floor < 1240691798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that makes much sense < 1240691812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they must do it for some reason < 1240691816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what < 1240691818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc lots of people set their desktop to black deliberately < 1240691822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the floor < 1240691827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all pirated Vistas I've seen don't have that "problem". :-P < 1240691841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've seen at least 3.) < 1240691853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is the area of a room that is during normal operation "down" < 1240691855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240691855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Konversation is gone in Kubuntu 9.04 < 1240691864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Replaced by Quassel http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/9.04-release/quassel40.png < 1240691866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what material < 1240691868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said light green < 1240691879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, linoleum iirc. < 1240691879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very amused at the way it's done on a timer, rather than just making changing it from black impossible < 1240691885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure that is the right English word < 1240691889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not too surprised, given that Konversation is KDE3 < 1240691906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah. < 1240691910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this room has a shitty carpet floor < 1240691923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean shitty as in crap, not as in faeces -- oh, wait. < 1240691928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually, this room might be some plastic thingy rather than linoleum. < 1240691933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, as in rubbish. < 1240691936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most other rooms are linoleum though. < 1240691940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby I mean not rubbish, but bad. < 1240691964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other rooms are some greyish colour for the floor. < 1240691983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there I'm sure it is linoleum. < 1240691987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that Kubuntu 9.04 is kind of naff compared to Ubuntu
< 1240691999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nöff! < 1240692010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love British slang words for rubbish < 1240692010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naff < 1240692011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naff < 1240692013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I know what naff means) < 1240692013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1240692016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nöff is funnier < 1240692019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1240692043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! < 1240692045 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nöf is the sound pigs make < 1240692047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ubuntu cds are 32 bit < 1240692048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes < 1240692061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, change your order then < 1240692068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, why not get the iso yourself < 1240692077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't made an order; you just can't buy 64 bit CDs < 1240692081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I usually do for nix. Saving costs for them and so on. < 1240692085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because I might as well get the fancy packaging :P < 1240692113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it supports Ubuntu. < 1240692135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, environmentally that is bad. What is the CO2 footprint for the shipping and the paper thingy < 1240692150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to some cd-r you happen to have around somewhere. < 1240692165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't believe you don't have any blank cd-r lying around somewhere) < 1240692168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The CD has already been manufactured, see. < 1240692178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like how not eating animals won't suddenly stop them being killed. < 1240692182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but it hasn't already been shipped has it. < 1240692182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Feisty CD that's never been opened < 1240692185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came with the laptop < 1240692204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, I'm shipping a power-hungry PC (if I ran it under load a long time, that is) from America. < 1240692209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still in its plastic wrapping < 1240692221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not buying an Ubuntu CD would be like not stomping on someone's head after you knock them out. < 1240692224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop was shipped from Ireland, I think < 1240692254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what company? < 1240692256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is AnMaster really a dude? By any definition of the word? < 1240692260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and yes it would in the long term reduce the number of animals killed. Since the producers won't be able to sell as many. And having to throw away the meat is a waste of money they will try to reduce the production to fit the market demands. < 1240692262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory. < 1240692270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, if millions of people suddenly stopped eating meat. < 1240692284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My use of "dude" is restricted to "... Seriously?" < 1240692300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However. < 1240692301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A dude is an individual, typically male, particularly somebody well dressed or who has never lived outside a big city" < 1240692305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible. < 1240692310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Are you well dressed? < 1240692311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not a vegetarian, but I only by locally produced food. < 1240692334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on for what. I'm not dressed for the Nobel feast or such if that is what you mean < 1240692348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, let's say yes. Have you ever lived outside a big city? < 1240692360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never lived in a "big" city. < 1240692365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a "large town" < 1240692371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're a half-dude. < 1240692379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always lived in Birmingham, which is about 1 million people < 1240692396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, jeans, t-shirt, jumper/sweater/"whatever the word was" made of wool < 1240692397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lived in... hmm. A lot of places. < 1240692411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what I can remember... < 1240692415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ socks and so on of course. < 1240692418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you live in Hexham, which is famous although its residents deny it < 1240692428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cardigan? < 1240692433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1240692439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Born in hemel hempstead (sp)... somewhere or another for a while... west pelton... prudhoe... and hexham < 1240692444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, large town means 20 000 inhabitants here btw. < 1240692444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like a jumper, but with buttons < 1240692449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no. < 1240692452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prudhoe twice, first time when I was ... 3? < 1240692453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does not have buttons < 1240692458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't really remember much before that < 1240692467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway the issue is that UK and US words are different iirc. And I mix them up. < 1240692484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumper's UK, I hardly hear sweater so maybe it's US < 1240692490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240692498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweater is US. < 1240692536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. When I turn on the fluorescent (sp?) lamp here I hear a buzz in some speakers connected to a turned off device. < 1240692540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplugged too < 1240692543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1240692565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 50 hertz, by any chance < 1240692565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240692568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have heard that when with fluorescent (sp?) lamps when device was *turned on* < 1240692584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know working on light sensors before, I've got them to pick up the 50 Hz fluctuation in flourescent (sp?) lamp brightness < 1240692588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, quite possible. Don't have any tool to measure with. < 1240692594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects fluorescent is indeed right
< 1240692603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is rather loud < 1240692611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a coil of wire, you can pick up nearby mains frequencies using induction < 1240692616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funnest thing about computer fans / well, or any fans < 1240692622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned off speakers, turned off device. And actually both are even unplugged. < 1240692625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just turned off. < 1240692631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that if two are almost-but-not-quite the same speed, you get a loud beat every now and then < 1240692643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather obvious < 1240692645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still irritating < 1240692662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed obvious. Interference (sp?) < 1240692691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what to do to reduce the noise... < 1240692703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning off the lamp is not an option, too dark then < 1240692704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: put them in a metal cage < 1240692710 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, now facebook states tham i'm swedish instead of japanese < 1240692717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1240692719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you shield the cable or something < 1240692731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240692735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or won't that have any effect < 1240692737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the light itself and the speakers themselves that are coupling, though < 1240692739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the cables < 1240692742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240692743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240692764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, putting either in metal case would be.... impractical to say the least. < 1240692801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the lamp: desk mounted lamp, on an adjustable arm thingy. < 1240692807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IKEA btw) < 1240692825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the speakers... well they are on the desk too. I had both for years. < 1240692834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only today this issue started. < 1240692843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked when placed the same way before. < 1240692861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense. And yes the noise does go away when I turn off the lamp. < 1240692902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yea < 1240692930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, strange... if I put anything grounded *next to* the speakers (a few cm away) the sound goes away < 1240692943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, it's picking up most of the signal, then < 1240692973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but it is like this: (grounded thing) (speaker) (lamp) < 1240692983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well without line break (if that happened in your client) < 1240692989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240692994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? putting metal anywhere nearby really messes with electromagnetic signals < 1240692998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1240693034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even stranger... < 1240693040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1240693058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm standing about half a meter away. If touch something grounded the sound goes away. < 1240693060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, explain that < 1240693072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm further away from the speakers than the lamp < 1240693105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grounded thing I touched was the metal case of the computer. < 1240693128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you really don't want me to go into the details < 1240693136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember them all, and you spend /years/ learning about them < 1240693139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240693166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems strange that me touching the pc case far away from the lamp *and* the speakers make the noise go away though. < 1240693179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you changed the resonances in the environment < 1240693180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fizzie:"? < 1240693193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously something in the way that the metal around there was arranged either amplified or focused the signal < 1240693202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, guess so. So I guess something else recently changed the resonances to make this noise issue happen < 1240693205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what... < 1240693256 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-1060.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240693298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:57 mib_uq9m6s: hello all! < 1240693298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:57 mib_uq9m6s: thegoldsnitch: would you like to increase your potence? < 1240693300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 thegoldsnitch: mib_uq9m6s: do you know who employs Slava Pestov? < 1240693301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 mib_uq9m6s: thegoldsnitch: never let your woman down with this formula! < 1240693304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 thegoldsnitch: mib_uq9m6s: is that a yes or a no? < 1240693306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 mib_uq9m6s: thegoldsnitch: increase female oorgaaasm < 1240693308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 thegoldsnitch: slava: i think you have a spammer in your channel. fix it. < 1240693309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:58 mib_uq9m6s: thegoldsnitch: a breakthrough in medical science! < 1240693311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :battle of the trolls < 1240693367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mib_uq9m6s is obviously a bot < 1240693380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thegoldsnitch probably isn't, though < 1240693384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240693385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bot < 1240693399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thegoldsnitch has been trolling for ages < 1240693407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting. Straightening out a loop on the unplugged power cable of the speakers helped. < 1240693409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mib_ is a joker, counter-trolling them < 1240693423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a case I guess a shielded cable *would* help after all < 1240693434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, loops are one of the things that has the biggest effect on resonances in anything < 1240693446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much so that just by winding a wire into a coil, it can set fire to something when it's turned off < 1240693451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, anyway, and only when using DC < 1240693463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's been done in the lab, but it rarely comes up in practice < 1240693469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I just stitched together my first panorama-style image: http://zem.fi/g2/d/5866-3/panorama.jpg -- I had a hunch that open-sourcey panorama-creation tools would be hellishly unuserfriendly, but this "hugin" frontend wasn't that bad. Too bad the image contents are the boring. < 1240693495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://uk.lge.com/download/product/L/L246WH/l246wh_1213086606192_m.jpg what's the dip on the bottom-right? < 1240693500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on yer l246wh < 1240693537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was even not a coil, just a loop that wasn't even "flat" (meaning it was several cm of air between the cable where it crossed itself. < 1240693541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err between the cables < 1240693547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the cable sounds odd < 1240693554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a coil's like a loop but much worse < 1240693567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I went over that carefully would I find a discontinuity? < 1240693581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, it's a vaguely triangle-shaped... outdentation? There's a "V"-shaped (but pretty flat) power led (orange on standby, blue on on) thing there. < 1240693591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I know. We had to build an electrical engine in school many years ago. The coil bit was tedious < 1240693600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that seems to be it < 1240693601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1240693607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be flattened :P < 1240693610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I assume so, although it's blended them pretty nicely. I cropped the close-in-front parts that were obviously wrong-looking. < 1240693656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Er, well, I don't think there's any important electronics in there, so... yes, if you want to do violence to your monitor, I guess. < 1240693657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the original image areas were overlapping I guess there wouldn't be any < 1240693661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240693672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the angles were very messed up < 1240693705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's supposed to auto-correct image exposure and blend them nicely. And the image is pretty blurry and vague, anyway. < 1240693727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240693729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and do something to the lens-related distortion too. < 1240693745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it wanted to know things about it. < 1240693825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't think you want to do that, 1) void waranty 2) removing the LED fizzie said was there would probably mess up the electronics, you don't want to know what mixing up two resistors with different resistance in a circuit diagram may result in... < 1240693834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1240693859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, you can replace the LED with something. I wouldn't start hacking at it, anyway. < 1240693881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There were tracks in front in the snow that appeared in multiple pictures which did not really overlap well since I mostly gave it control points in the horizon (and anyway it would've probably required rather curious image-transformations), those were rather discontinuitific. < 1240693893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, replacing it with an identical LED would be a good idea. < 1240693908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I've been using an unusual indentation style for my C recently < 1240693914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the v that bothers me < 1240693914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "the other true brace style" < 1240693915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh... < 1240693933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://uk.lge.com/download/product/L/L246WH/l246wh_1213086606192_m.jpg is too low res to be able to see. < 1240693936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts { on the same line as the opening of a loop, as in while(x) { < 1240693941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and } on the last line of the block < 1240693947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ew < 1240693953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like python in that the left margin follows the code exactly < 1240693957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have large versions < 1240693961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like Lisp in that you stack lots of closing } at the end < 1240693961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link < 1240693968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it saves a lot of vertical space < 1240693976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lge.com, uk, l246wh < 1240693985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, it makes more sense than 1tbs, where the closing }s are out of place to my eyes < 1240693987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... < 1240693989 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1240693995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the linked picture was *low* res < 1240694001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full link to a high res one < 1240694001 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sadol there is no closing ) < 1240694010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: its a download on the site. < 1240694024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't you link to it... < 1240694032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would but brb → < 1240694034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume with download you mean "pdf" or something < 1240694043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why that indention style < 1240694057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and can astyle or indent handle it < 1240694062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because I'm used to typing { on the same line as the opening block now for Perl < 1240694075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I decided I may as well go the same way, 1tbs is ridiculously uglily asymmetrical < 1240694088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and? I type { on same. And } else { < 1240694100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} while(...); < 1240694108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than those } is on separate < 1240694121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exception is one line < 1240694127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, separate } takes up some much space in a useless part of the program < 1240694136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the close of a loop isn't very interesting, especially not to take up vertical space! < 1240694138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like (struct foo ){ .x = x, .y = y } < 1240694139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1240694144 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240694146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240694151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like (struct foo) { .x = x, .y = y } < 1240694153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1240694180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a space after a (cast) or not depends. < 1240694180 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1240694197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, C? < 1240694205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 to be exact < 1240694219 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(struct foo) {.x=x,.y=y} ? < 1240694224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define vector_create_ref(a, b) (& (funge_vector) { .x = (a), .y = (b) }) < 1240694226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that btw < 1240694239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no this is quite different from statement expression < 1240694240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you don't need the brackets there? < 1240694247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, which ones < 1240694250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, comma expressions < 1240694256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (a) and (b) < 1240694257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do < 1240694262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1240694276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can't pass an unparenthesised comma expression as an argument to a macro anyway < 1240694287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was just about to type that I realized that < 1240694293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is usually a good idea to use () < 1240694295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I'm wondering whether they're necessary again < 1240694298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good habit < 1240694300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C injection, obviously < 1240694316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything have lower priority than =? < 1240694319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mostly it helps when you want to do unusual stuff. < 1240694320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from comma? < 1240694336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there's another = it'll work < 1240694337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a good habit, unless you are going to use ## or # < 1240694411 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering whether they're necessary in this case < 1240694411 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWIJAJDF < 1240694417 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brane expodid < 1240694424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, anyway yes it is C. Check your copy of the C99 spec. < 1240694425 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240694437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copy of a draft. < 1240694442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1240694460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also check GCC's "Compound Literals" info-page. < 1240694462 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my compiler became a translator, trivial translator < 1240694478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compilers are all trivial translators < 1240694482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be GCC extension before the C99 thing. < 1240694486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the degree of triviality that matters < 1240694491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1240694495 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/matters/varies/ is what I meant < 1240694495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, different syntax then < 1240694498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is it "by definition trivial, since a computer can do it"? < 1240694507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not < 1240694619 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i need to solve type inference to avoid using one universal type with all this bloated rtti and unions and such < 1240694634 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and write fast run-time lib < 1240694718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff I hate about CPP: < 1240694742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* needing to call another macro to stringify a #define. Two other ones in fact. < 1240694759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* do { } while(0) < 1240694764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A lot more < 1240694765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1x: macro literals! < 1240694775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does that work... < 1240694783 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {} while(0) is useful < 1240694783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me < 1240694787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, GCC nowadays has "0b" prefix for binary constants? That's funky. < 1240694798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stolen from D is what it is :-P < 1240694799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, link to spec of this language < 1240694809 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what language? < 1240694819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you made a compiler for... < 1240694843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually I think I saw it in some other language before. Where D stole it from < 1240694848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember what one. < 1240694861 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/SADOL tl;dr probably < 1240694863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be /very/ surprised if it was a new idea in 2001 or whenever < 1240694867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really not a horribly innovative leap, you know. < 1240694890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, tl;dr indeed < 1240694895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, short summary < 1240694925 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1240694950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the erlang syntax (they probably stole it from prolog or something): base#number 16#abc 2#101 < 1240694960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable can dynamically change type to one of: double, int, string, list, function < 1240694962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't bash support it < 1240695039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo $(( 0x20 )) $(( 040 )) $(( 32#k )) < 1240695040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 32 20 < 1240695042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240695066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo $(( 50#k )) $(( 50#K )) < 1240695066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 46 < 1240695066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1240695076 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::a5 {now a is int} :a~2+#_0#_1 {now a is func} :a$0 {now a is list, etc.} < 1240695081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is case insensitive if only one alphabet is needed. < 1240695086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240695089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean < 1240695146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what about it. Sounds like any other dynamically typed dynamic language when it comes to variable type changing for the same variable. Not usual syntax though. < 1240695181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are certainly languages that allow such stuff. Python and perl comes to mind. < 1240695190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the function one though < 1240695210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could assign a int, then a float, and if python then a list to the same variable name. < 1240695226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, can't you solve this by JITing? < 1240695233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the easiest way < 1240695243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl doesn't let you put a list or a hash in a scalar variable; but you can certainly put a list reference or a hash reference or a code reference or a typeglob or whatever. < 1240695250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but you could assign a int, then a float, and if python then a list to the same variable name." < 1240695256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did indicate that FireFly < 1240695257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240695258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1240695270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was sort of an add-on comment. < 1240695275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1240695291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1240695298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started irc in failsafe mode. < 1240695302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that disables addons! < 1240695344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240695486 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like FAILMODE < 1240695488 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMIRITE < 1240695499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what < 1240695526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what is an "ami rite"? < 1240695543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the *other* type of esoteric < 1240695550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be in the wrong channel < 1240695708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing! < 1240695792 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240696029 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: JIT -> slow < 1240696040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what... < 1240696051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't make any sense < 1240696055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compile at run time < 1240696061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := slow < 1240696069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes but you compile once. then execute that code many times < 1240696080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't slow really, not if you compile to byte code first. < 1240696120 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want sadol programs to me nearly as fast as corresponding C programs < 1240696121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, plus you can create different versions of the code for integer or float or such when it would help for performance, and both are possible < 1240696124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :create them as needed, < 1240696141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1240696150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, jit can be faster, since you can optimise it based on usage pattern < 1240696151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the fly < 1240696168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something gets called a lot, maybe inline it < 1240696184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something isn't used often, don't, it helps locality of reference. < 1240696195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1240696202 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240696206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm comes to mind < 1240696287 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1453274305 :0 < 1240696303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wiztests
< 1240696423 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1240696430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wrong channel < 1240696753 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1240696754 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1240696991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, #nethack I presume < 1240697007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you plan to wiztest. < 1240697009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1240697033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drinking loads of juice < 1240697050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did you expect it to do. And what did it do. < 1240697077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not choke me, and it didn't < 1240697088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240697097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you become satura... meh < 1240697225 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PEW PEW" < 1240697368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try foo() of bar -> {ok, quux} catch error:badarg -> error end < 1240697381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is a rather insane syntax IMO < 1240697407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1240697458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the erlang: try Expression [of match1 -> ...; match2 -> ...; ... matchn -> ... ] catch [match1 -> ...; match2 -> ...; ... matchn -> ... ] end < 1240697483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I find the combining case and try in try Expression of rather odd. < 1240697508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1240697520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it be. < 1240697559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes perfect sense to me < 1240697586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the alternative? < 1240697623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not having try and case combined < 1240697636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what's the point of that < 1240697647 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you'd have to use case anyway in case of an error < 1240697661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err, catch would have case. < 1240697664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the try part < 1240697672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to have misundertood < 1240697702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, those cases are separate < 1240697717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Expression [of "matching on return value if no exception was thrown" -> ... ] catch [ "matching on exception" -> ... ] end < 1240697722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make it clearer < 1240697738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just managed to miss that 'catch' there < 1240697747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can actually do: case catch foo() of "matches on both" -> ... end < 1240697756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the old style syntax. < 1240697768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old as in really old) < 1240697787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems more sensical to me, unless functions can return error values without throwing them < 1240697836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well try of catch end is rather powerful < 1240697839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit weird. < 1240697851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that syntax somehow less powerful? < 1240697935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1240697938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch case of? < 1240697951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case catch of < 1240697960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since exceptions are atoms, yes kind of. Or used to be at least. < 1240697979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not sure if you can do more than one expression in it < 1240697996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like try\n foo,\n blah\ncatch ... < 1240699234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:47 nooga: AnMaster: JIT -> slow < 1240699241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby award nooga the idiot award. < 1240699274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well he is right. For certain values or right. < 1240699325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird doesn't really care, he just likes calling people stupid and lazy and whatever < 1240699327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have overhead of JITing, and because of that overhead you have to avoid slow but good algorithms for optimising certain stuff. < 1240699339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register allocation is a good example of that. < 1240699368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's good for the soul < 1240699377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in souls < 1240699382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however a lot of that can be worked around by doing some optimisations on the byte code in advance. < 1240699392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, it keeps the existence of a soul at bay < 1240699395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for long running programs it won't matter. < 1240699413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing to keep at bay; and if there was, I wouldn't care :-P < 1240699434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah well, it's also good for the your face. < 1240699445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my mom? < 1240699472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Your mom is BEYOND HELP. < 1240699483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240699623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw invalid utf-8 for stdio input will make & and ~ reflect. I can't work around it. Since io:get_line() (which I use to fill the buffer for the line buffered input) returns {error,collect_line} if it detects invalid utf-8 < 1240699626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never get the bytes. < 1240699652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.... nfc why "collect_line"... < 1240699666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang is so crap. < 1240699671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1240699675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfc? < 1240699676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not really. Just closed world. < 1240699688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, stfw? < 1240699690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's crap apart from closed worldness, but it's bad at being closed world too! < 1240699692 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ffs < 1240699700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: near field communication> < 1240699702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240699705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :national football conference? < 1240699707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240699707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1240699709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then STFU. < 1240699712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try urbandict < 1240699717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried acronym finder < 1240699725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is what ehird tried as well < 1240699730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NFC, an acronym for "No Fat Chicks", can be used in multiple ways. It can be applied to simply represent a woman with large body mass - such as "did you see that NFC", a label - such as "NFC Emily", or as a literal translation of its meaning; "Come check to my party - NFC!" < 1240699736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240699740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Further Comment (chat) < 1240699742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first result. < 1240699749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say shit like stfw if YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT. < 1240699755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Flippin' Clue (polite form) < 1240699759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, second meaning < 1240699764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3,#4,#6 < 1240699766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first meaning I never heard. < 1240699769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all non-no-fucking-clue < 1240699770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Frills Christianity? < 1240699779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i conclude that "STFW" was inaccurate < 1240699832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say stffm < 1240699837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfw was still accurate. < 1240699845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Society of Teachers of Family Medicine < 1240699849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240699855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You lost an 'f' < 1240699863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240699863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I only repeat google. < 1240699875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err what < 1240699881 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ignore google's "did your mean" < 1240699883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1240699887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I did. < 1240699893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1240699895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I didn't. < 1240699895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you didn't. < 1240699898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's UI for it is so shit. < 1240699902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240699905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1240699906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the other results are usernames. < 1240699909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't blame it on google < 1240699909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or things about surgery. < 1240699916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I dislike it besides < 1240699917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "see the first fucking match" (and I just made that one up now) < 1240699920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks like the regular results < 1240699925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't here < 1240699938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: stfm Top 2 results shown" < 1240699944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in large print < 1240699951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and red < 1240699958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if you ignore googlecruft at the top of the page like I, it looks like the regular results < 1240699968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would I ignore it. < 1240699980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's normally cruft. < 1240699984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use googlecustomize in firefox to filter the "sponsored links" < 1240699989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no cruft there usually. < 1240700014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider everything above the first result for my exact search term 'cruft', to an extent < 1240700076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the google style circa 2003, with the gray/blue tabs. More distinction from the search terms. < 1240700105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First example I could find: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html (a ye olde googlebomb) < 1240700130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I prefer that style as well. < 1240700196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro! < 1240700212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their 404/500 pages still look like that. < 1240700218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in colour scheme < 1240700219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very retro IMO, it looks more modern than the current style < 1240700244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1240700266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if google will ever remove I'm Feeling Lucky. < 1240700267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not. < 1240700283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do I use it? No.) < 1240700291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you like it < 1240700300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fun. < 1240700305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240700306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240700313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do it with two clicks < 1240700333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's completely useless, it has a silly name, and it's given equal prominence to the only useful button. The day it goes is the day Google finally becomes an unfun corporate monster. < 1240700354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1240700369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they are just keeping it to fool you < 1240700373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240700410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about that "House of Leaves" book you mentioned before. Do you have a copy of it? < 1240700416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240700435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to get one though < 1240700441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : guess it is easier to read with an image editor < 1240700450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The endpapers of the US hardcover edition of the novel contain hexadecimal characters, which are actually an AIFF audio file of an excerpt from Poe's track "Angry Johnny" when saved as a file in a hex editor." < 1240700476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have one thing to say. < 1240700479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO THE HELL FIGURED THAT OUT < 1240700491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: file(1) < 1240700493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/HouseOfLeavesPage134.gif needed both flip and "turn 180 degrees" to read (for different parts) < 1240700502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OCR isn't that good, is it? < 1240700513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's harder with an image editor than flipping a book around < 1240700523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I mean, somebody typed the bytes < 1240700524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure, but the "flip" is not < 1240700533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is flip left to right, mirroring image. < 1240700536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then ran file(1) or noticed the "AIFF" at the start or whatever < 1240700537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That must have taken ages; uncompressed audio is big. < 1240700545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Portable mirorr. < 1240700546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mirror < 1240700551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe. < 1240700560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still rather hard to read with < 1240700566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240700567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It can't be too long if it's in the book. < 1240700572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point isn't it... < 1240700572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1240700599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys have any opinions about the voynich manuscript? < 1240700614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is one of them undecoded ones right < 1240700619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240700627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the weird picturse < 1240700629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pictures < 1240700642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/F75r.jpg < 1240700642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, refresh my memory of what the pics were of < 1240700647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: various things < 1240700655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript#Illustrations < 1240700666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, low quality porn? < 1240700669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240700683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HAWT XXX BATHING" < 1240700687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the title of the book, translated. < 1240700704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they don't even look very sexy... < 1240700714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's intended to be porn, AnMaster. < 1240700719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1240700724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more that they're naked because, you know, they're bathing. < 1240700732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a weird-ass tube system. < 1240700733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, aha! < 1240700748 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1240700751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author is complaining about the still not invented "swimsuite" < 1240700756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly. < 1240700758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Biological — a dense continuous text interspersed with figures, mostly showing small nude women bathing in pools or tubs connected by an elaborate network of pipes, some of them clearly shaped like body organs. Some of the women wear crowns." < 1240700759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rant < 1240701273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is rooting for "hoax"
< 1240701280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice Sgeo. < 1240701295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, too much work put into it < 1240701309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was a few pages sure. But there are too many,and too many drawings < 1240701324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there seems to have been no economical reason. < 1240701339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a hoax < 1240701341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly < 1240701351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, exactly. < 1240701361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, then the author is the singlemost amazing hoaxist of all time < 1240701395 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it isn't, why write it in a random script < 1240701410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was probably not a sui generis script < 1240701413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a lost one < 1240701420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sui generis? < 1240701434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis < 1240701438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sui generis (English pronunciation (IPA): /ˌsuːiˈdʒɛnərɪs/, Latin pronunciation: /ˌsui ge'neris/) is a Neo-Latin expression, literally meaning of its own kind/genus or unique in its characteristics. < 1240701442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The likelihood of that is quite low IMO < 1240701446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it could be a code. As in you know. For keeping it secret. < 1240701462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why? < 1240701470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voynich hasn't made anyone famous. < 1240701475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't brought much money in. < 1240701482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sits there being weird. < 1240701501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason for it to be a hoax. < 1240701537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely losing a script in which it is possible to write a book just seems unlikely < 1240701548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are plenty of old, lost script < 1240701549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1240701551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the only evidence of a script only 500 years old is exactly one manuscript? < 1240701555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible it was written by, well, a mad man. < 1240701564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen those illustrations? < 1240701570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have. < 1240701579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it is. < 1240701608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm mostly of the opinion that I doubt anybody has ever been capable of deciphering it, other than the author < 1240701623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to agree with Deewiant here. < 1240701627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a hoax. < 1240701630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between and ? < 1240701631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure. < 1240701635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script seems too... elaborate. < 1240701638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me that just means that it's most likely a hoax < 1240701643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, one is upper case and one is lower case. < 1240701644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or joke, or whatever < 1240701650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Voynich_Alphabet < 1240701666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, to me it means it is a private script. Possibly some secret society, or just one person. < 1240701666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1240701682 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If it's a society then it contradicts what I said < 1240701691 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just one person; why write such a book? < 1240701694 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Eight Deadly Sins: Pride, Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Anger, Envy, Lust, Writing Code That Defeats Other Code. < 1240701709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://inamidst.com/voynich/months < 1240701710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could just be one huge notebook or something like that, for personal use < 1240701713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& also http://inamidst.com/voynich < 1240701717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's too section-y for that. < 1240701721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each section has a theme < 1240701731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, alchemists liked to keep stuff secret from other ones. < 1240701734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Where "notebook" includes "logbook" etc. < 1240701742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is very alchemist-like, yes. < 1240701743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People wouldn't section notebooks back then? < 1240701750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The author was probably an alchemist. < 1240701750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing of that publish in any journal you can find! < 1240701752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. something written for oneself to prevent oneself from having to memorize tonnes of crap. < 1240701754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we have today < 1240701777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it was written incrementally or not doesn't matter < 1240701778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Note/logbook + paranoia. < 1240701787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible < 1240701797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I would guess. < 1240701893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it is deciphered some day. < 1240701920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since it isn't a OTP I guess it is theoretically possible. < 1240701923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just unlikely < 1240702373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way. < 1240702388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you meant to backup a 1TB drive? I mean, apart from purchasing a ton of 2TB drives and RAIDing them. < 1240702492 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240702594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thing < 1240702598 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that manuscript < 1240702817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's total bullshit < 1240702985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i jus won't back up ;) < 1240703008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1240703089 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-0219.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240703098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1240703099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The linguist Jacques Guy once suggested that the Voynich manuscript text could be some exotic natural language, written in the plain with an invented alphabet. The word structure is indeed similar to that of many language families of East and Central Asia, mainly Sino-Tibetan (Chinese, Tibetan, and Burmese), Austroasiatic (Vietnamese, Khmer, etc.) and possibly Tai (Thai, Lao, etc.). In many of these languages, the "words" have only one syllable; and syl < 1240703102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lables have a rather rich structure, including tonal patterns. " < 1240703111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The main argument for this theory is that it is consistent with all statistical properties of the Voynich manuscript text which have been tested so far, including doubled and tripled words (which have been found to occur in Chinese and Vietnamese texts at roughly the same frequency as in the Voynich manuscript). It also explains the apparent lack of numerals and Western syntactic features (such as articles and copulas), and the general inscrutability of < 1240703113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the illustrations. Another possible hint is two large red symbols on the first page, which have been compared to a Chinese-style book title, inverted and badly copied. Also, the apparent division of the year into 360 degrees (rather than 365 days), in groups of 15 and starting with Pisces, are features of the Chinese agricultural calendar (jie qi). The main argument against the theory is the fact that no one (including scholars at the Chinese Academy of < 1240703118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sciences in Beijing) could find any clear examples of Asian symbolism or Asian science in the illustrations. " < 1240703123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam! < 1240703141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : How are you meant to backup a 1TB drive? I mean, apart from purchasing a ton of 2TB drives and RAIDing them. <-- tape < 1240703146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always tape < 1240703149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er how much can tapes store < 1240703155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how much money, how much speed < 1240703173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen 120 GB tapes, and that was 4 or 5 years ago. < 1240703180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was without compression < 1240703191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for speed. Don't know. < 1240703193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1 terabyte < 1240703196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 gigabytes < 1240703199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1240703199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want me to back it up < 1240703202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 120gb tapes < 1240703208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1240703210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't need a lot of them < 1240703217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "and that was 4 or 5 years ago" < 1240703219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240703222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: generally a backup system has more than 1x the storage of your drive!! < 1240703224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the last one < 1240703239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, you have a base backup + incremental ones < 1240703243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new base every month < 1240703252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably only back up every month. < 1240703253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read man dump on freebsd < 1240703255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of 2008, the highest capacity tape cartridges (Sun StorageTek T10000B, IBM TS1130) can store 1 TB of data without using compression." < 1240703259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd need up to 5 or so. < 1240703271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of those. < 1240703274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I assume cost a lot. < 1240703279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can't use one tape only anyway < 1240703286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh < 1240703298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine tapes are really slow < 1240703308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's the advantage here of buying multiple terabyte drives < 1240703313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i'm not doing because of $$$) < 1240703319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rafb.net/p/ICiP8q61.html < 1240703325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man dump < 1240703327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on freebsd < 1240703329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 gb/s w/ 62 second loading time < 1240703336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the sun 1tb tabe < 1240703337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240703338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gb < 1240703339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 mb < 1240703359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wut < 1240703366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StorageTek_tape_formats#Cartridge_formats < 1240703373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 mb/sec and it needs 62 seconds to start up. < 1240703395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butttttttt < 1240703396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is explorer so sucky? < 1240703398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet they cost thousands < 1240703424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tapes aren't meant to be random access. Remember that. < 1240703428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1240703433 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1240703435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those 62 seconds aren't very bad < 1240703441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1240703444 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was backing up 3TB < 1240703444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would i do this < 1240703447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also remember compression < 1240703449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't I just get a bunch of drives < 1240703459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would work too. < 1240703468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever floats your boat! < 1240703472 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought 3x1TB hdd, included into my RAID, done < 1240703472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1240703477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, except the reason I'm not doing that is that I don't have the cash to spill on 2x2TB drives < 1240703492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really really really < 1240703496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1240703502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night :P < 1240703558 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1240703575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blitter < 1240703576 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got paid five bucks for writing the following regular expression: /\&\;/g < 1240703580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twitter for when you blink. < 1240703582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: WAT. < 1240703588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By whom? < 1240703594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write a regexp for them < 1240703937 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)