00:00:01 Deewiant: did I get the wrong name 00:00:08 yep, you linked to the page I cared about 00:00:13 Magic: the Esolang 00:00:13 There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. 00:00:14 what 00:00:15 -!- neldoreth|lp has quit (Client Quit). 00:00:22 no 00:00:24 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Magic_The_Gathering_card_deck_of_programming_language 00:00:27 that was it 00:00:48 fibonacci was rather hard to write, and I/O would be an utter pain 00:00:51 zzo38 wrote that 00:00:51 :-D 00:01:13 zzo38 started it, I think I wrote the program though and someone else (maybe zzo38?) corrected it 00:01:26 ais523: What order is the deck in 00:01:38 the card listed first is first in the deck 00:01:45 The deck is in the order given and is not shuffled at start of the game 00:01:56 AnMaster: If you really care at all, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_rules <-- I fail to see enough citations from different sources on it indeed 00:01:57 Alright 00:02:03 -!- neldoreth|lp has joined. 00:02:12 AnMaster: I browsed it over and it looks correct 00:02:15 k 00:02:20 see thing at top though 00:02:23 AnMaster: If you want the official source instead, http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/rules 00:02:40 Well of course it relies on a single source 00:02:43 It relies on the game's rules 00:02:44 this is clearly a reverse a pyramid scheme 00:02:58 Cleanup I agree with, but single-source is just stupid 00:03:16 Deewiant, it is a single source though 00:03:20 AnMaster: a good description 00:03:28 AnMaster: Yes, but it's stupid that it's a problem 00:03:39 Deewiant: the point is, if there's only a single source, why should it be in Wikipedia in the first place? you could just go to the source instead 00:03:50 ais523, as in manufacture wants everyone to buy more and more cars, and everyone has to, to be able to play at all. 00:04:06 yes, Wizards have to make their money somehow 00:04:07 ais523: So if something is described in only one place it is inherently unencyclopedic? 00:04:15 personally I don't mind as long as they keep making good cards, but IMO they stopped 00:04:21 they may start again some time 00:04:29 ais523, IMO a fair games needs everyone to start with a fair distribution of the cards. like shuffling cards then dealing them 00:04:30 or such 00:04:35 while this... 00:04:36 AnMaster: Uh... you mean, they sell the game, to make profit? 00:04:39 Deewiant: pretty mcuh, encyclopedias summarize knowledge, what could they do but copy the source? 00:04:40 HOLY FUCK ON A POGO STICK! 00:04:43 AnMaster: They are shuffled 00:04:43 PYRAMID SCHEME! 00:04:46 ais523: They summarize 00:05:08 ais523: Everything comes from only one source originally anyway 00:05:22 Deewiant, sure, but you said everyone had his own cards. You don't deal cards from the same stack as the opponent 00:05:28 Except in the rare case of the same thing being independently invented in two different places 00:05:28 AnMaster: that's just a different kind of game, not in any way more fair. 00:05:38 I only buy the cards when playing a limited tournament 00:05:43 oklopol, it depends on how many cards you bought 00:05:45 AnMaster: the decks wouldn't work correctly if you mixed them, people try to pick subsets of cards that work well with each other 00:05:57 ais523, maybe but still 00:05:57 it's as much about building a good deck as it is about the playing, well, at least approximately 00:06:04 AnMaster: i hate that argument 00:06:06 AnMaster: Yes, that just adds a new element (the main element?) of strategy to the game: your deck has to be built well, it's not enough that you can play well 00:06:16 "" "" "ok BUT STILL [even though I have no argument left]" 00:06:27 You still make a deck in limited, only in limited you are limited to the cards they give to you and it doesn't matter how rich you are. 00:06:29 Yes, I'd say it's the main strategy actually 00:06:39 Deewiant, so you have keeping to buy more and more to be able to play 00:06:41 ... 00:06:48 AnMaster: you're being a fool 00:06:51 just fyi 00:06:54 AnMaster: yes, that's how Wizard's make their money 00:06:55 AnMaster: No, you don't have to throw your cards away after playing once 00:07:06 *Wizards 00:07:08 Deewiant: what if they get moldy?! 00:07:15 they tried it with D&D too, which is a disaster IMO 00:07:18 AnMaster: Only in constructed! In limited you only have to buy the cards as part of the entrance fee, other cards you own cannot be used in limited 00:07:31 But if you want to keep on playing in tournaments then yes, you need to buy new cards since new sets of cards appear every now and then 00:07:42 ais523, yes and that is silly for a game like this IMO. There is no "Poker Sixth Edition" 00:07:47 and so on 00:07:49 -!- neldoreth|lp has quit (Client Quit). 00:07:54 its a good thing magic is nothing like poker 00:07:56 sure it is a much older game 00:07:57 AnMaster: it's not about putting the best m&g cards in your deck, it's about having cards, then deciding on a good subset of them for a deck 00:07:58 otherwise your argument would make one iota of sense! 00:08:04 good save 00:08:09 I play D&D 3.5 edition still, 4E is not real D&D in my opinion. I am a good defensive player at D&D 00:08:19 3E is not real IMO :-P 00:08:24 s/:/;/ 00:08:26 So, anyone play Nethack, or Pokemon, or Harry Potter TCG? :-P 00:08:33 impomatic, I play nethack 00:08:34 i used to have pokemon cards 00:08:39 Nethack TCG? 00:08:41 but I gave them away in FOOLISH CHILDISH PIQUE 00:08:46 Deewiant: Y E S 00:08:47 Deewiant, no idea about that 00:08:54 what is nethack tcg though 00:08:54 Sorry, I mean Netrunner ;-) 00:08:55 Deewiant: M A K E I T N O W 00:09:08 AnMaster: nethack trading card game. 00:09:11 which should be made. 00:09:13 this instance. 00:09:13 I have a deck of Jyhad but that's it 00:09:14 um 00:09:16 *instant 00:09:19 I have played pokemon card, sometimes (rarely) I still do, against my brother (I borrow some of his cards and use those to make a deck) 00:09:19 what is a trading card game 00:09:25 just wondering... 00:09:27 AnMaster: ... lol!!! 00:09:35 how have you been carrying this conversation ... 00:09:35 ehird, seriously 00:09:37 oh wow, nethack TCG, someone really should make that 00:09:40 AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectible_card_game 00:09:49 AnMaster: Magic is a trading card game 00:09:52 aha 00:09:55 so is pokémon, etc 00:10:04 But not Poker, etc. 00:10:06 ais523: i know! 00:10:10 but, there are so few nethack releases you can't really make any upgrades 00:10:20 Sure you can 00:10:22 eh, there are enough 00:10:25 There's so much content in Nethack 00:10:31 doesn't matter, TCG people just model more of the game 00:10:32 You don't have to release cards for all at once 00:10:41 I wonder what the mailer daemon would b 00:10:41 e 00:10:49 "Go and check your postbox" 00:10:58 Decide on rules first before thinking about cards :-P 00:11:03 shush you :-D 00:11:11 * AnMaster prefers the real nethack game 00:11:14 I don't invent TCG. I invent PCG (Printable Card Game), which is like TCG with all the capitalism thrown out. So you cannot purchase cards, you have to print them yourself and mix them and then play some limited style (such as a booster pack draft, etc) 00:11:26 zzo38: stop it, you'll get AnMaster excited. 00:11:32 zzo38: that sounds a lot more boring 00:11:35 I don't invent TCG. I invent PCG (Printable Card Game), which is like TCG with all the capitalism thrown out. <-- sounds like a good idea. 00:11:39 see? 00:11:43 a voice of reason in here! 00:11:43 zzo38: Same thing as TCG, just that no centralized authority sells the cards. 00:11:47 for once 00:11:49 now we get to hear from AnMaster about how evil charging money for anything is 00:11:55 SNOOZEFEST ACTIVATE 00:12:19 If such a PCG existed there'd be a market for the cards rather quickly, I suspect. 00:12:19 for me the most thrilling part of playing m&g was probably buying a random deck and then looking through it to see what i got... 00:12:21 ehird, it isn't evil to charge money... it makes sense, just no for certain things 00:12:28 And it's only a matter of time before somebody sets up shop. 00:12:31 it makes sense for say, food, hardware or lots of other things 00:12:32 or paper 00:12:38 if you could just print a good deck for yourself, it'd lose all the excitement 00:12:39 charging money for cards is probably one of the most reasonable applications of capitalism 00:12:42 Charging money for things is not evil, obviously you have to earn the money, but being greedy to earn money is the evil 00:13:04 but NOT software, or reverse pyramid scheme 00:13:12 oklopol: "if you could just print a good..." not if you are playing limited! 00:13:20 zzo38: I'm not sure how TCGs imply greediness; a lot of R&D goes into MtG, you have to pay the people 00:13:29 zzo38: what does that mean? 00:13:31 AnMaster: SELLING TCG CARDS IS NOT A REVERSE PYRAMID SCHEME! THEY'RE NOT EVEN RELATED! STOP BULLSHITTING :| 00:13:43 oklopol: Meh, I mostly enjoy coming up with a deck idea and then trying variations to see if it works out 00:13:45 AnMaster: do you even KNOW what a pyramid scheme IS? look it up!! 00:13:45 ehird, AnMaster: a good description 00:13:51 ehird, he agreed with me 00:13:51 I considered making a PCG based on Corewar, but I could figure out decent mechanics without losing the spirit of Corewar 00:13:55 AnMaster: nice argument to authority 00:13:57 and yes I know what one is 00:13:58 And there is nothing wrong with charging money for cards. Just the PCG idea means you do not have to buy the cards if you don't want to, you can make your own card, print them yourself, or whatever, but you still might want to purchase them instead if that makes the cards a better quality. 00:14:00 Deewiant: sure, but i was never a good player :) 00:14:01 unfortunately those are invalid too 00:14:01 that is why I compared it 00:14:02 what, I'm authority now? 00:14:15 ais523: it's an argument-to-authority regardless of your status 00:14:21 ehird, I know what a pyramid scheme is, otherwise I wouldn't have compared it with one. 00:14:23 "someone else said this, QED." 00:14:28 zzo38: So the difference is essentially only that the official rules allow proxies? 00:14:29 Deewiant: i guess i liked that collecting part more than the playing part. 00:14:31 ehird, shouting just makes you look stupid though. 00:14:34 *the 00:14:43 oklopol: For me it's exactly the opposite :-) 00:14:51 luckily, the cards have nice art on, most of the commons are probably worth it even if you don't play 00:15:08 I don't like the new art, it's too cartoony 00:15:12 Or, well 00:15:15 The new art as of 5-6 years ago 00:15:46 Deewiant: Well, sort of. Also it would be with freedom, you can agree to play with cards you invented yourself, other people can sell other cards for the same game (their own cards) which people can then make as many copies as they want, on paper or on internet, and people can agree which cards are allowed 00:15:56 I heard of people who still play D&D by the original rules. Now that sounds like a great idea. 00:16:26 well, 3e and 4e are independent games, and both are popular 00:16:28 zzo38: Alright, I see. 00:16:32 yay for open source roleplaying games 00:16:32 So, basically PCG is just what TCG would be as if it were a Free Software/Open Source project. 00:16:33 4 is the new one? 00:16:39 yes 00:16:42 ais523, agreed. 00:16:46 but it's unconnected to 3 instead of the name 00:16:54 i prefer it over 3 even though i haven't really played either. 00:16:57 3 was open-sourced, so various of Wizard's competitors are continuing it under a different name 00:16:58 Just like 3 is unconnected to 2 00:17:01 OGL, IIRC 00:17:05 ais523, "instead of the name" 00:17:05 um 00:17:07 what 00:17:12 I started inventing my own rules for RPG game also called Icosahedral (find it on LiMaWiki) but it isn't finished yet. If you don't understand arcane magic, just be a fighter. 00:17:15 some typo 00:17:15 I meant "except the name" 00:17:17 AnMaster: As in, only the name is the same 00:17:19 ah 00:17:22 i got this opinion from descriptions of why 4 is worse than 3. 00:17:24 ais523, that explains it :) 00:17:59 " If you don't understand arcane magic, just be a fighter." 00:17:59 QOTD 00:18:23 4E is not necessarily a bad game, but it is a bad D&D game, it is a bad role-playing game. I still prefer 3.5E and so does everyone in the group I play with. We also play without miniatures 00:18:24 It is well over 2 so I'm going to sleep at this point 00:18:29 ehird, I'm forced to agree with you on this QOTD 00:18:43 3 is a roleplaying game, 4 is a computer game in pencil-and-paper form 00:18:47 Deewiant: oh is it south park time already? :D 00:18:52 * oklopol opens ep! 00:19:00 opens ep heh 00:19:01 ais523: has anyone computerized 4? 00:19:02 maybe it'll be good 00:19:24 AnMaster: words you use 10 times a day tend to get shorter 00:19:25 ehird: Wizards did, sort of, but it was buggy and you had to play a monthly fee 00:19:35 ep? 00:19:39 ais523: EPisode 00:19:49 also, I use "the" much more than 10 times a day and it hasn't shortened to "th" yet 00:19:49 implicit: [of south park] 00:19:54 from: 00:18 oklopol: Deewiant: oh is it south park time already? :D 00:19:57 ais523: rly? ur od 00:21:04 ais523: well, i don't really think of "the" as a word in that sense, i mean it's just sentence structure. 00:21:14 and episode is something you have in your mind when using the word 00:21:23 so you actively realize your using it 00:21:27 well dunno 00:21:28 *you're 00:21:29 *you're 00:21:30 *you're 00:21:31 what 00:21:32 *you're 00:21:34 alskjtf 00:21:34 **YOUR ALERT** 00:21:36 CODE RED 00:21:39 okay 00:21:42 EVACUATION PROCEDURE ENABLED 00:21:44 { EMPTY THE BUILDING } 00:21:46 NOTHING TO SEE HERE 00:21:48 * ehird BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP 00:21:50 *sirens* 00:21:54 OKLOPOL MISTAKE CLASS 3 00:21:57 i guess i have become a complete failure today. 00:22:01 THE SITUATION IS UNDER CONTROL 00:22:03 What would the card called "Alpha" in Unplugged.mse-set do if it were tapped? I guess "Un-" cards do not have to have consistent rules. But "Unstate" is *not* a "Un-" card even though it has "Un" in its name. "Unstate" is a normal card, even though it is strange and something that Wizards would probably never print 00:22:04 EVERYBODY COME BACK IN 00:22:06 * ehird *sirens stop* 00:22:10 first a 4, then two grammar mistakes 00:22:19 :{ 00:22:30 zzo38: you can tell if it's an uncard by the border colour 00:22:37 silver = uncard, black/white = normal card 00:22:44 *your, anyway 00:22:48 wait 00:22:53 *you're 00:22:54 black and white used to mean different things but Wizards kept getting the distinction wrong, so they eventually abandoned it 00:22:54 :P 00:23:08 By the border color, they are all uncards. But the effect of these cards are not all the effects of uncards (some are, some aren't, and some have no effect at all) 00:23:13 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 00:23:57 wait uncard? 00:24:10 cards made as jokes that can't be played in tournaments, but that you can buy anyway 00:24:13 i cannot wrap my brain around this new concept. 00:24:18 oh 00:24:23 ais523: now THAT'S capitalism! 00:24:27 yes 00:24:34 like that one that when played forces another player to dance around the table 10 rounds 00:24:35 some of them are rather funny, others aren't 00:24:35 ais523, I love the uncards 00:24:40 ais523: why do people buy them 00:24:41 :P 00:24:44 Unglued and unhinged 00:24:52 ehird: I've known people to draft them before now 00:24:53 I bought some of those broken magic cards without realising :-( 00:24:57 although I haven't done myself 00:24:58 And some of these cards have non-uncard effects even though they certainly wouldn't be printed in a non-uncard set. By "non-uncard" I mean cards that the rules are not inconsistent and they do not require the use of special uncard rules either 00:25:03 ais523: cards like that? i've only seen a few 00:25:09 or you mean something less uncardy 00:25:13 Now, if only the infinite mana card didn't require 15 mana to play 00:25:17 i don't know what's forbidden 00:25:19 oklopol: much of them work much like that 00:25:37 all i know about tournaments is they added the 60 card in the deck rule after machine gun was invented 00:25:51 because tournaments became simply about who gets first turn 00:26:08 because everyone had the same deck and won on first turn 00:26:10 machine gun? 00:26:27 err yes a combination of 7 cards that does infinite damage 00:26:32 well 00:26:39 A card based on something outside of the game, such as the age of the players, the day of the week, or time of day, is not a "non-uncard". Cards with fractions 1/2s and non-proper colors, inconsistent effect, are also not qualify as "non-uncard". But "Unstate" does count as a "non-uncard" in my opinion. 00:26:43 unbounded damage 00:26:51 Unstate? 00:27:03 oklopol: you mean that there wasn't always a minimum-card-count rule? 00:27:08 Unstate is a card in Unplugged.mse-set (one of the two sets I made) 00:27:10 that rule is there for obivous reasons 00:27:11 zzo38, there are uncards with non-proper colors? 00:27:21 Sgeo_: using uncards it's possible to generate pink mana 00:27:25 ais523: no, or i've been lied to 00:27:28 and that doesn't even involve any of zzo38's 00:27:48 No, but uncards are allowed to use non-proper colors (for example, your eye colors, even if it isn't one of the colors of Magic). Non-uncards are not allowed to do this. 00:27:57 but you'd think the source would know, he gets invited to the finnish championships every year 00:28:13 oklopol: I'm not saying you're likely 00:28:15 *lying 00:28:24 just I'm surprised that Mr. Garfield didn't think of it 00:28:48 well 00:28:52 there are enough cards in Magic that given a perfect draw, you can win on turn 1 without even spending mana 00:28:57 with a small number of cards you're on thin ice 00:29:02 because you lose when you run out of cards 00:29:03 iirc 00:29:18 Please read some of my Unplugged.mse-set and SuperUnplugged.mse-set I think you might be interested in a few of those cards. (You need to either have Magic Set Editor or to just unzip it as if it were a ZIP file and open the contained files in text editor) 00:29:37 zzo38: why not unzip it and cat together all the contained files? 00:29:45 The minimum number of cards is 40 in limited, 60 in constructed 00:30:10 ais523: Because some are picture files, some are text files, and the different files (even text files) might have different formats anyways 00:30:13 I still think your set will be full of degenerate combos 00:30:26 zzo38: then sort by the output of file first 00:30:42 -!- OoS has joined. 00:30:56 OoS: nice nick. 00:31:08 oklopol: its impomatic 00:31:19 still a nice nick, though 00:31:19 ehird: oh? 00:31:27 OoS: sorry, mistake, i hate it 00:31:29 * Sgeo_ growls angrily at http://theorderofsticks.wordpress.com 00:31:33 stupid unnick. 00:31:44 ehird: on another note, we really need to get BF Joust back up somehow 00:31:45 Sgeo_: ? 00:31:50 the contract doesn't allow anyone but Goethe to modify it... 00:32:00 ais523: just make a new one 00:32:01 No I can't do that, ais523! But I did do one thing, put the text in the file called Unplugged_set.txt in case you want to look at it (you won't see the pictures for some of the cards, though) 00:32:05 I'll code tomorrow, I guess 00:32:18 -!- M0ny has quit ("PEW PEW"). 00:32:22 ehird, this person is slowly uploading OOTS comics, for no discernable reason, and ignoring what everyone is saying about copyright 00:32:41 has Rich Burlew tried to sue him yet? 00:32:43 or told him to stop? 00:32:59 Sgeo_: As an avowed pirate, I cannot possibly comment. (It's not like he's claiming them as their own.) 00:33:24 * ais523 remembers to stop working on cocoding projects with ehird in case ehird tries to sneak copyvios into them 00:33:24 (I will say nothing of the site owner's actual intentions; they are probably not too innocent.) 00:33:33 ais523: I don't do that. 00:33:44 ais523: I pirate for usage only :-P 00:33:45 At least the person added "If you want see them already or see more visit http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots.html" to the Episode Guide.. 00:33:56 "see them already"? 00:34:14 oos <> order of sticks 00:34:16 oos == origin of storms :-) 00:34:24 In my mind, the worst thing was the commenters who wanted to see the next episode.. apparently unaware of the real site 00:35:08 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:35:13 Chaos (00:06:10) : 00:35:13 Thief 00:35:13 And apparently Rich Burlew's name is is Rich Burlews 00:35:14 theorderofstick (08:51:41) : 00:35:16 Got pemission of Rich 00:35:20 This, on the other hand, is obviously a lie. 00:35:41 What's happening with BF Joust? 00:35:47 OoS: () 00:35:55 Goethe, the person in charge, ended the round and has now gone on a month-long break 00:36:00 and nobody else can restart it without eir help 00:36:04 who is oos 00:36:09 AnMaster: impomatic. 00:36:11 AnMaster: OoS = impomatic 00:36:16 alternatively: 00:36:22 A person. A being. Someone on IRC. 00:36:23 Someone here. 00:36:24 ososososososososososososo 00:36:32 There is LITERALLY no point to theorderofsticks 00:36:33 Someone probably interested in esolangs; what more do you want? 00:36:34 ah 00:36:36 Credit card number? 00:36:46 Sgeo_: I do my fair share of pointless things. 00:37:02 ehird, but blatantly illegal pointless things? 00:37:13 Sgeo_, I tried to read it, I gave up 00:37:17 Sgeo_: It is probably not illegal. 00:37:24 Sgeo_: The author credit is there and links to the original site too. 00:37:30 ehird: well, i know impomatic well enough to want to know who's him and who's not 00:37:40 Sgeo_: Even if it is illegal - so what? Nobody is being hurt. 00:37:40 (requires very little) 00:38:07 Ask me about my D&D character(s) and the other PCs and NPCs in our party if you want to. And then compare to other version of D&D rulesets if you want to 00:38:22 ehird: then again AnMaster probably doesn't, so kind of a useless comment on my part. 00:38:35 ehird: this here is also a useless comment. 00:38:42 just fyi 00:38:44 oklopol: USELOSSITY 00:39:04 use loss city 00:39:06 night 00:39:08 night. 00:39:55 so who here has filmed a movie 00:40:20 I have filmed a movie once, it was called "AAA Candid Camera" and it didn't have to do much with Candid Camera 00:40:40 I have the DVD in my drawer 00:41:09 Even the BF Joust test hill is no longer online :-( 00:41:09 was it over 1.5 hours? 00:41:19 The DVD even says "all region" and "*UOP-FREE*" on the label 00:41:36 Used to be here - http://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/bf/ 00:41:39 Let me check the length of the movie 00:42:07 I'm getting impatient, I may start a new version myself soon 00:42:18 maybe I'll code a test hill in INTERCAL or something tonight 00:42:44 time to go home anyway 00:42:46 → 00:42:46 ais523, befunge? 00:42:49 cya 00:42:50 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:42:52 night 00:43:11 The movie I made is approx. one hour long 00:43:32 zzo38: oh, then i want to see it. 00:44:25 oklopol: Let's see whether you can see it. If I can do it somehow to make you able to see it. Should I post the DVD ISO file or something like that 00:45:04 well a direct download of avi is most preferable for me ofc. 00:45:32 but i can do with the iso too prolly 00:45:46 although i'm a bit afraid of things that complicated here in linuxville 00:45:50 So far, you can at least see the label and list of chapters, at http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dvdmenus/ but I cannot post the movie just yet (maybe later I can?) 00:45:56 oklopol: burning an iso = double click, select drive 00:46:17 ehird: heh, well okay that does sound kinda easy 00:46:26 but i'm not sure this oldie has a dvd drive actually 00:48:51 It is a comedy movie 00:48:56 zzo38: if that happens, do tell; also sorry about the genuine interest, i'm a weird dude. 00:49:43 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:49:59 Should I post on your esolang wiki user-page if the movie is posted on internet? 00:50:15 i don't use it really :< 00:50:33 i mostly use this thing here for communication 00:51:18 If I posted it on IRC, if you happened to be not on, would you still read the logs? (Of course if you are current on IRC, that would be better) 00:51:41 zzo38: i have a phase in life where i don't read logs. 00:51:45 but umm 00:51:48 i'm usually here. 00:53:22 The movie has hardly been edited actually. First I recorded from video camera directly to VHS, and then edit it on computer (the only thing actually edited was some parts removed and some text added to the screen for some parts of the movie), and then put on DVD 00:53:37 So, you would know, I wasn't very good at it at the time 00:54:09 But I still like the way the movie turned out. Nothing worth selling for money, but for stuff you don't have to pay, it is a good movie in my opinion 00:54:41 i'm more interesting in content than in quality 00:55:28 The content isn't something you would ask money for, but other than that it is good 00:56:23 All the mistakes we made while filming (except for blank parts) have been kept in and not deleted 01:01:20 One scene consists entirely of a phone on speakerphone 01:01:40 One scene consists of a ZZT game 01:01:47 A few scenes consist of pokemon battles 01:01:48 * kerlo goes to theorderofsticks.wordpress.com and gets slightly angry 01:02:13 yeesh, apparently people who like order of the stick are illogical 01:05:42 -!- OoS has quit ("mov.i #1,1"). 01:07:20 !!! 01:07:30 A bi-racial couple on an eHarmony commercial! 01:07:50 Every other couple they've shown have not only been the same race, but male/female clones of each other. 01:07:57 That was surreal. 01:09:51 Gregor! 01:10:20 Is there an easy way for me to send you money, should I ever want to do so? 01:11:25 :o 01:11:48 In one scene the computer has too much lego on it. But that is because the person complaining put the legos there 01:13:04 GregorR lives! 01:13:37 GregorR: also, may I unintentionally distribute your Neural Color Matcher? 01:13:50 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:13:59 Charizard keeps breaking the computer! 01:14:09 What would *you* do if Charizard kept breaking your computer? 01:14:12 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 01:14:22 i don't believe in charizards 01:14:24 kerlo: Paypal AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , I'd prefer hotlinks but distribution is fine. 01:14:30 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:14:37 Even if the problem was easy to fix and took only a few seconds? 01:14:46 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 01:15:02 zzo38: i still wouldn't believe in them 01:15:14 Great. 01:15:40 You don't have to believe in Charizards. What would you do if it happened anyways? 01:16:09 i don't plan for stuff that has 0 probability of happening 01:16:26 but umm i guess i have the capability to do so now. 01:16:29 so hmm 01:16:34 i would probably do nothing. 01:16:43 Assume it happened anyways because you are a character in a movie where such things can happen 01:16:54 oh 01:17:00 hmm 01:17:23 i would buy a computer so bright light couldn't escape its surface 01:18:10 ...and you know it couldn't break it maybe 01:19:00 well. should probably go to sleep, i practically am already 01:19:03 see ya -> 01:19:22 Guess what was the problem with the computer in the movie that Charizard broke, I will tell you if you are correct or incorrect 01:19:47 it overheated 01:20:08 No. It didn't overheat 01:20:13 It was a laptop computer 01:20:24 Charizard slammed the lid closed 01:20:31 It was easy to fix, just open the computer again 01:20:34 ah, makes sense 01:20:41 The trainer didn't understand computer and thought the computer was broken 01:21:32 right; well then i would prevent the closing of the lid with a small object 01:21:43 The movie makes about as much sense as Monty Python 01:21:47 and you know give C a spanking 01:22:26 *bow chicka bow wow* 01:22:41 "You've been a naughty programming language!" 01:23:15 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 01:23:33 i should probably give you some money too 01:25:16 Wait, have I started a giving-GregorR-money fad? 01:26:29 GregorR: What are you selling? 01:26:52 zzo38: FREEDOM! 01:27:04 zzo38: YE CAN NEVERR TEK MAH FREEDOM (but you can buy some!) 01:27:26 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:27:44 Apparently he didn't have enough money to buy some freedom *shrugs* 01:29:26 i hear his movies aren't doing that well, this is just hearsay, but apparently his last movie made zero profit 01:30:39 He shot himself in the foot with The Wurve of The Jebus 01:34:18 -!- deimos706 has joined. 01:34:42 Oh no, a moon of Mars has somehow fallen to Earth! 01:34:44 And Alabama no less! 01:35:14 hello 01:35:40 is this chat about esoteric and the occult and things 01:36:22 :P 01:36:41 did someone explain this new phenomenon already? 01:36:49 deimos706: nope, not really, no. 01:36:56 "Not really"? Not even slightly. 01:37:07 aww heh 01:37:19 GregorR: you're just not looking deep enough i thinks. 01:37:24 what kind of esoteric then heh 01:37:46 programming 01:37:47 This channel pertains to esoteric programming languages and models of computation, you'll find that FreeNode is predominantly geared towards computer-related stuff. 01:38:13 ooo i see thats sweet 01:38:30 yes 01:38:52 you guys have a nice day 01:38:54 -!- deimos706 has quit (Client Quit). 01:39:01 :P 01:39:23 Hah 01:39:51 If our /topic had any topic in it, he wouldn't have asked ;) 01:40:45 ehird: i assume you're most likely to be able to explain why these people keep popping up here, i don't think that's always happened this frequently 01:40:53 and sorry if i should already know. 01:41:07 * oklopol should read logs :< 01:43:38 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:44:38 Incidentally, is anybody surprised that (s)he was in Alabama? :P 01:44:55 http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/non-ports/ 01:45:13 Hahah, symlink hell! 01:46:12 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Excess Flood). 01:46:33 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 01:47:25 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:48:50 I'm thinking about reviving SPS> 01:48:59 I wonder if anybody would consider it useful ... 01:51:32 SPS? 01:51:38 Any good Mezzacotta lately? 01:52:27 Sgeo_: http://www.nongnu.org/sps/ 01:53:12 I'm.. not sure I understand' 01:54:34 With SPS, /usr is sort of a dynamic union filesystem. 01:54:44 And you specify what packages, and what versions of them, you want to see. 01:55:02 How is this different from regular apt? 01:55:18 Every user, and in fact every process, can have their own environment. 01:55:33 Oooh, pretty 01:55:54 So for example, if you have a program that needs GCC 3 to compile, rather than installing both and then figuring out how to convince it to use 'gcc-3.4' instead of 'gcc', you type sps with 'gcc < 4:4' -- make 01:55:57 sounds cool 01:56:10 I was imagining something like that 01:56:16 Oh really? 01:56:21 I mean, the recent security protections on windows are just cat and mouse 01:56:47 the solution is sandboxing 01:57:10 GregorR, make it universal! 01:57:15 not that SPS is a sandbox 01:57:27 but you would have to use a filesystem like that 01:57:35 Sgeo_: Define "universal" 01:57:37 however, mounting /usr with fuse sounds slow to me :/ 01:57:54 GregorR, get it in Debian and get application authors using it 01:58:07 also, written in D? 01:58:09 eewwww 01:58:37 comex: The former point is why I stopped working on it; it is slow :(. I'm rewriting it in C, recent shakeups in the D community have made me shy away a bit more. 02:00:53 ehird, did you read the latest Fine Structure? 02:00:59 Be sure to read Sam's comments 02:01:32 though I dunno, I wouldn't mind a language that compiles directly to machine code but implements foreach 02:03:38 comex: D is a nice language, I still like it as a language, it's just in an ... unfortunate state right now. 02:05:28 gregorR: is a C-like D program as fast as a C program? 02:07:30 comex: Modulo garbage collection, yes. 02:07:43 comex: D is on http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ btw. 02:08:54 GregorR: clicked on a random link 02:08:55 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=fannkuch&lang=all 02:09:08 d is nowhere there 02:09:26 also durr 02:09:31 i'm an idiot 02:09:41 If one has sufficient privs, fork with new namespace and overlay /usr with something suitable? :-) 02:10:25 Ilari: That would require a huge pile of symlink farms. 02:10:35 Ilari: Which isn't necessarily an impossibility, but bleh. 02:10:43 GregorR: Or using Fuse? 02:11:25 Ilari: I am using Fuse :P 02:14:06 GregorR: Well, at least it wouldn't require rest of the system to be using Fuse for /usr... 02:15:29 Yeah, 'struth. 02:49:37 Why IS Fuse so slow? Is it just the sheer number of context switches, or ...? 03:38:43 GregorR: Linux VFS is quite fast. So two context swaps and presumably additional VFS call really add up... And there might be additional factors adding even more slowness... 03:40:03 -!- bgboj has joined. 03:40:27 -!- bgboj has left (?). 04:05:08 just write a kernel driver 04:05:15 or figure out why fuse is slow 04:05:28 and fix that 04:05:33 so ntfs-3g isn't so suck 04:06:05 though is that true? 04:06:06 http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html 04:07:03 purports to be comparable to other FS even without the optimizations in the shitty commercial version 04:28:21 cunionfs.c:280: error: unknown field ‘readdir’ specified in initializer 04:28:22 WTFBBQ 04:28:43 This is filling a fuse_operations 04:45:00 -!- psygnisfive has quit ("Leaving..."). 05:59:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:00:27 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 07:30:59 -!- Sgeo_ has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 10:45:37 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:50:14 -!- M0ny has joined. 10:51:42 plyp 10:53:39 o 11:41:04 -!- Hiato has joined. 12:04:34 -!- nooga has joined. 12:04:39 yoyo 12:05:00 i haz a problem 12:33:51 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:37:31 :< 12:38:08 :< 12:40:16 ? 12:40:28 something sad happened 12:40:30 or what 12:40:50 exactly 12:43:33 ouch 12:43:34 what 12:43:47 well 12:44:02 nooga has a problem. 12:44:04 * AnMaster had his client restart several times after each other today, thus no scrollbacl 12:44:07 scrollback* 12:44:22 "* Now talking on #esoteric * BeholdMyGlory (n=BeholdMy@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se) has joined #esoteric" 12:44:29 well with newline there of course 12:45:12 oklopol, what is the problem he has 12:45:22 oh i don't know 12:45:26 .. 12:45:30 nooga: what is it? 12:45:42 hmm 12:46:17 i *may* just be hungry enough to make me some food 12:46:33 that'd be cool, food is awesome 12:47:39 -!- Hiato has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:56:11 -!- MouD has joined. 13:00:17 idk how to parse function application in new SADOL, because i made functions forst class citizens... eg. :f3 {1}f12{/1} :f~2+#_0#_1 {2}f12{/2} 13:00:54 sadol! 13:00:55 in 1st case f12 yields 312 and in the 2nd case f eats 1 and 2 13:01:16 sorry i don't read that 13:01:39 so parser must know what is function and when, in parse time 13:01:48 err just parse at runtime 13:01:49 j does it. 13:01:52 and it must know how much arguments function takes 13:02:17 yea, but i'm writing a compiler :D 13:02:42 iirc my shortest quicksort version already used functions as if they were forst-class citizens 13:03:00 in what? 13:03:08 huh? sadol 13:03:27 anyway the behavior was so random i couldn't get it finished 13:03:30 :P 13:04:22 *first 13:04:23 wtf 13:06:56 meh 13:07:31 umm meh indeed. 13:07:51 also i tried to enable multichar ids 13:08:21 more confusion 13:08:51 but then parser would be quite twisted 13:08:56 glass uses parens around multichar ids 13:11:55 i planned to use spaces 13:12:19 but by definition SADOL pisses on whitespace 13:17:29 haahaa! 13:17:40 it's already quite fast 13:18:49 next step is to add macros and enable calling external functions 13:18:56 opengl in SADOL? :D 13:22:29 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 13:25:19 :o 13:38:19 ugly though 13:38:44 who's ugly? 13:39:46 )"7glBegin$1"8GL_LINES 13:42:05 :D 13:42:18 cool 13:48:24 {#call glBegin GL_LINES} 13:48:27 with macro :D 13:49:09 what a terrible obfuscation facility! 13:49:17 ...facility? :D 13:49:45 yea 13:49:50 macros sucks 13:50:11 and currying is for wimps 13:50:23 err actually i guess facility works, my english deteriorates by the day 13:50:56 or then i'm just more paranoid about correctness. 13:51:25 calm down :p 13:51:44 never! 13:52:24 well. need to go eat a burger and you know read algebra. 13:52:25 -> 13:52:34 uh 14:06:30 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 14:21:02 http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Brazil/ 14:30:21 oklopol: reindeer burger? 14:51:00 hmm 14:51:09 I wish there was a sort of . operator in bash 15:09:43 which would do what? 15:19:23 comex 15:21:09 dunno 15:21:19 (wget . inkscape) http://url/something.svg 15:21:29 but that would require some intelligence :p 15:21:30 and yes it's backwards 15:27:17 ah 15:27:31 composition 15:28:17 probably it can be done 15:28:18 like 15:28:53 comp (wget . inkscape) htpp://blah 15:29:02 but you must write comp ;p 15:29:03 -!- tombom has joined. 15:31:22 -!- MigoMipo has left (?). 15:57:28 -!- ehird has left (?). 15:57:32 -!- ehird has joined. 15:57:40 -!- ehird has left (?). 15:57:44 -!- ehird has joined. 15:57:47 -!- ehird has left (?). 15:57:50 -!- ehird has joined. 15:57:58 -!- ehird has left (?). 15:58:02 -!- ehird has joined. 16:00:19 STOP THAT CLIENT 16:00:20 01:00 Sgeo_: ehird, did you read the latest Fine Structure? 16:00:23 no i don't read fs 16:00:27 00:35 deimos706: hello 16:00:27 00:35 deimos706: is this chat about esoteric and the occult and things 16:00:30 lol on a stick 16:00:48 GregorR: SPS is too advanced. either stick with package managers or get the real solution, a capability based OS 16:01:13 also: union mounting /usr sounds funny whereby funny I mean SHIT SLOW 16:01:49 ta-da! bin/forter works :-) 16:01:55 forter? 16:02:10 Forte + Ruby 16:02:25 Ah. 16:04:36 it wasn't really that hard… 16:05:15 but Ruby isn't really the best language for parsing 16:05:38 yeah it's a pain 16:05:41 parsing in general 16:05:43 it could be so much simpler 16:05:49 really? 16:05:56 imo yes 16:06:05 why haven't anyone (like you :P) done something about it? 16:06:17 cuz it's hard to make it simpler :) 16:06:47 Judofyr: but -- Haskell's Parsec and our Redivider: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider are steps in the right direction 16:07:03 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider/Underload_Interpreter 16:07:08 admittedly that runs as well as parses 16:07:10 but it's a good example 16:07:47 interesting 16:08:01 I guess Haskell is something I should learn? 16:08:10 Redivider is basically parsec as a regexp-tarpit with syntax :-) 16:08:16 Judofyr: If you ask me, absolutely 16:08:25 It's probably my favourite language 16:18:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:20:12 what's forte? 16:20:22 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte 16:20:56 that'd be cool, food is awesome 16:21:12 well, it beats being angry because you're hungry *munch* 16:22:03 btw, I've been playing with a little language called Regland (maybe I've mentioned it before) 16:22:21 it's a "self-parsing" language 16:22:32 i assume it's a regular duck language 16:22:35 instead of variables, you define syntax 16:22:59 /win/ = 123 16:23:27 /(\d+)/ @ %ruby { return integer } 16:23:54 integers will be implemented in itself 16:23:58 like many other things 16:24:25 moar 16:25:05 it will have built-in blocks/lambda/function 16:25:26 /somethin/ = { } 16:25:31 somethin() 16:25:46 it's basically implemented as a loop which matches regex'es 16:26:38 is there a way to define syntax for defining syntax ? 16:26:38 I'm bootstrapping it with the default syntax 16:27:17 and then create potentially infinite abstraction levels? 16:27:22 there are two ways to define syntax, using = and using @ 16:27:28 = simply sets it to the object 16:27:42 so /s/ = { 123 }; then s will return a block 16:27:57 /s/ = 123 16:28:08 s returns an integer 16:28:13 @ will evaluate the given block 16:28:16 /sex/ = 666 will become /123ex/ = 666 16:28:17 ? 16:28:26 so /s/ @ { 123 }; s will return 123 16:28:46 nooga: nope 16:29:35 /thing/ is more like a string 16:30:41 it's also prototype-based language 16:31:09 so /thing/ is an object whose parent is Matcher (whose parent is Object) 16:31:36 I could for instance do: Matcher /something/ = 123 16:31:37 how about defining way of expressing constants 16:31:54 then '/something/ something' returns 123 16:32:13 if i'd like to have: ababc => 12123 16:33:05 then you could define a syntax: /ababc/ = 12123 16:33:17 everytime Regland sees "ababc" it will return 12123 16:33:26 and: ababc .-._.- ba => 12123 + 21 16:33:50 umm 16:33:59 ah 16:34:02 I see… 16:34:05 that's a bit uncool 16:34:53 Regland won't match unless there's a non-alpha right after the match, or the last char in the match 16:35:17 so "hell" will never match "hello" 16:35:25 ehm /hell/* 16:36:04 but "hell o" might (then it will match the "hell" part and continue parsing) 16:36:20 a 16:37:36 but in your example, you could /[abc]+/ @ { build int from match } 16:38:02 Judofyr: sounds like it could be interesting. 16:38:24 ah 16:38:26 together with Integer /\.-\._\.-/ = (Integer +) 16:38:36 brb 16:38:37 it it *should* work 16:39:31 I'm going to write the core in a Ruby DSL, then the rest will be implemented in Regland (together with %ruby{}-blocks) 16:40:28 what is it with rubyists and dsls 16:41:06 it's just an abstraction 16:41:27 let's me focus on the definition, not the objects behind 16:41:59 wraps Regland's objects together with Ruby's classes 16:42:24 anyway. time for dinner :-) 16:42:28 brb 16:42:29 :-) 16:46:37 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Albions 16:46:38 lulwut 16:49:36 "NOTICE: The data below is posted by a program which is part of the Graffiti research project from Brown University. We will remove the data from your site once the experiment is finished. If you want to delete this, please do so as you would delete a spam page. For more information, please visit http://graffiti.cs.brown.edu/info/. " 16:49:45 It's trying to share files via mediawiki. 16:49:46 Fuckers. 16:49:51 Someone report them to... something. 16:51:06 Al Gore? 16:51:13 http://www.cs.brown.edu/~pavlo/ No email. wonderful 16:51:27 ah, it's pavlo@cs.brown.edu 16:51:35 Time to write a complaint. 16:52:48 The mind doeth boggle 16:53:29 SICP has arrived on the French textboard D: 16:53:56 * ehird sends angry email. 16:54:14 what the heck they did it in _two_ articles 16:54:30 oerjan: one of them got subtly changed by zzo38 16:54:36 which is great 16:54:46 well they're probably going to get sued... 16:54:47 Heh* 16:54:53 oerjan: their site laughs it off. 16:54:56 Maybe not sued 16:55:07 But I don't think people will take it 16:55:11 Shit-for-brains immature retards. Too dangerous to be using a computer. 16:55:22 It takes up space on them wikis 16:55:28 they're american. all it takes is for them to hit a corporate american wiki, sure? 16:55:38 Corporate wiki? 16:55:40 admittedly those may not be few 16:55:42 *many 16:55:55 well, something affiliated with a corporation 16:56:14 Hope they hit wikipedia 16:56:18 Are there any that are widely available? 16:56:20 That'll be fun 16:56:29 But yeah, bastards. 16:57:04 they did it even _after_ a reviewer pointed out what a bad idea it was, iirc 16:57:27 look at their site 16:57:34 heck, they might end up expelled for it 16:57:35 two out of 4 entries are about being banned/rejected 16:57:44 (and one of the others is about submitting the one that was rejected) 16:57:54 oerjan: i dunno - they got a subdomain 16:57:57 unless they're professors with tuition, hm... 16:58:06 no 16:58:08 but they looked young 16:58:10 *he 16:58:10 http://www.cs.brown.edu/~pavlo/ 16:58:11 http://www.cs.brown.edu/~ning/ 16:58:14 they 16:58:15 the one i looked at 16:58:40 my opinion of that uni just went down 16:58:42 ehird: the link they give on the wiki points back to brown.edu 16:58:52 no 16:58:53 it points back to 16:58:57 graffiti.cs.brown.edu 16:59:00 so they got a subdomain approved for it 16:59:27 a host maybe 17:01:51 -!- neldoreth|lp has joined. 17:04:10 hm, "We are only planning to store one piece of data on each unique MediaWiki site." 17:04:24 yes. liars. :P 17:04:28 they probably hit both esolangs.org and voxelperfect.net, then 17:05:57 Plus, if they do that, they won't be able to do shit 17:06:13 A movie would probably take up the space of every damn wiki 17:06:34 yeah 17:06:43 -!- neldoreth|lp has quit (Client Quit). 17:06:44 also, data changing, reversion ... 17:06:55 it's a terrible idea even if it did work, but it doesn't. 17:12:21 http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Wadler%27s_Law 17:15:29 heh 17:16:33 http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1239439150/18 17:19:14 they cheated on lexical comments! 17:19:27 oerjan: wut 17:20:08 you cannot put a string containing "-}" inside {- -} comments, for example 17:20:19 so you cannot escape all code that way :) 17:20:25 :-D 17:20:33 oerjan: just use cpp! duh! 17:20:46 oh well 17:21:02 that's not an official part of haskell though 17:21:05 [sarcasm] 17:22:41 Judofyr: another question 17:22:48 {} blocks will be written in? 17:23:00 the language I assum 17:23:01 e 17:23:14 Regland 17:23:23 but you can use %ruby{} to run Ruby 17:24:07 I think however that I have to make them indent-based 17:24:24 how else am I going to parse them? 17:24:31 er. 17:24:39 i think this language lacks a certain sense of direction 17:25:08 oh? 17:25:25 how arithmetics look in pure Regland? 17:25:52 ehird: it probably points into the fifth dimension 17:26:00 -!- M0ny has changed nick to Mony. 17:26:11 -!- Mony has changed nick to M0ny. 17:26:35 nooga: the purest way is: 1 +(2), since + is a block 17:27:28 but you can also turn + into a syntax which fetches the next token 17:27:46 Integers won't be defined in the core-language anyway 17:29:54 I also plan on making it possible to remove all the current regex'es and define your own 17:30:40 so you can write "I WANT BRAINFUCK" and suddenly all the regex'es matches Brainfuck 17:31:02 "KTHXBYE" = back in Regland again 17:31:44 this is essentially Metalogic-- :- 17:31:45 :-P 17:32:16 Metalogic? 17:32:40 The tentative name for my in-head language that is based entirely around semantics arising out of redefining the infinite layers of the language being the prorgam. 17:32:42 *program 17:32:56 "Metalogic--" where -- is the C sense. 17:33:56 well 17:34:55 ehird: start implementing then 17:35:16 no 17:37:10 why? 17:38:26 lazy 17:38:34 start documenting 17:38:44 it's not ready 17:38:48 it's been simmering for years 17:38:51 it's still perfecting itself 17:39:04 blah blah my ass 17:39:30 yes. 17:40:09 ehird: still, when you're going to implement it, you'll discover things you haven't thought of and maybe need to rethink some parts 17:40:23 Yes, but, :-) 17:40:42 It's incredibly simple but on the other hand infinite levels of abstraction are kind of hard to implement with non-infinitely-abstracted things. 17:47:01 Argh, I just realized that I'm essentially doing an unbounded and variable number of function calls whilst expecting the stack pointer to not move 17:47:21 i imagine such language as a language, let's say L0, which allows you to program and define language L1 that is reducable to L0 statements and allows to do exactly same things as L0, and thus Ln+1 is reducable to Ln, so programs written in every Ln where n>0 will be reduced to runnable L0 program 17:47:25 Deewiant: :-D 17:47:34 * Deewiant $ git reset --hard HEAD 17:47:44 nooga: oh, it's far more intricate than that 17:47:53 it solves the inelegance of multiple levels by turning it up to infinity 17:48:02 This is a bit unfortunate, I'll need a global 17:48:10 OH NO A GLOBAL 17:48:16 wut? 17:48:43 nooga: if it makes sense, you are infinitely intelligent. 17:48:47 so don't feel too bad. 17:48:53 Hmm, actually I could put stuff in the XMM registers 17:49:23 hah 17:49:25 It'll probably use more code size but I'd rather avoid the global on principle 17:49:26 a 17:52:07 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:52:12 in L0: + prints "howdy", ?xy says that y will be translated to x and then executed as L0, +?+-??! -!-*!!E *E*xEEX xXx.XX, and so on 17:52:15 boring 17:52:18 infinity ftw 17:52:53 in the most simple form 17:52:55 imho 17:53:15 simple and inelegant is a bad combination 17:53:29 howdy howdy howdy howdy 17:53:35 ehird: if he's infinitely intelligent, shouldn't he be wandering over to yudkowsky to help out? 17:54:03 oerjan: :- 17:54:05 :-P 17:54:09 he said "wut" 17:54:13 implying he didn't understand 17:54:17 and thus was finitely intelligent 17:54:24 oh 17:54:25 yep 17:55:15 i thought the "if it makes sense" was just an empty phrase 17:55:20 i'm a walking proof that some people are stupid 17:55:39 everyone's stupid 17:56:19 what a shame, here we could have solved the Friendly AI problem with a Friendly BI 17:56:31 -!- neldoreth|lp has joined. 17:56:45 -!- neldoreth|lp has quit (Client Quit). 17:57:32 I don't think the singularity implies infinite intelligence; I'm not sure the concept even makes sense 17:58:09 i doub that intelligence is measurable 17:58:13 doubt* 17:58:25 Most things are measurable. 17:58:29 there would probably be a tower of infinities in theory there too 17:58:44 Not measurable to any intelligable degree by us, maybe 17:58:52 for banana scheme and such 18:00:22 "It's 2040 and nerds in old-folks homes are wandering around, scratching their heads, and asking plaintively, 'But ... but, where's the Singularity?'" 18:00:23 — Vernor Vinge 18:02:55 VV 18:03:00 W. 18:03:07 i've read something by VV 18:03:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernor_Vinge#Novels 18:03:27 Pick one. 18:03:33 Fire Upon the Deep 18:03:36 Ah. 18:03:44 That's around the time he described the singularity. 18:05:07 * oerjan wonders. if the hard problems of AI are not logic but things that other animals can do, does that mean e.g. a chimpanzee is in some sense 99% as intelligent as a human? 18:05:31 oerjan: I'm not sure the hypothetical holds. 18:05:40 Seems a bit arbitrary 18:05:54 ehird: i read something like that somewhere 18:06:02 Hm. 18:06:06 basically computers easily do logic games 18:06:06 Well, I'm not sure 99%. 18:06:09 99% seems a bit much. 18:06:16 chimps are certainly intelligent, though. 18:06:27 but it's very hard to do things like vision 18:06:55 oerjan: doing 100% precise logic puzzles isn't really much of a part of intelligence 18:07:18 well we know that _now_ 18:07:28 oh right, there is also common sense 18:07:42 which includes many things only humans have 18:07:47 and fuzzy reasoning 18:07:49 and, to a degree, emotions 18:07:52 so scratch at least some of that 18:07:57 animals have emotions 18:07:59 without emotions we probably wouldn't last very long 18:08:18 oerjan: "common sense" is hideously vague, really 18:08:22 it's just learned behaviour imo 18:08:23 I argue that the fundamental difference between humans and other great apes is not that we're wildly more intelligent (although we certainly are), but that we have the specific intelligence of being able to communicate abstract ideas. Without this, very clever creatures can accomplish very little. 18:08:39 GregorR: That seems logical. 18:11:40 Apparently my argument was SO COMPELLING that everybody's done arguing :P 18:12:02 http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/longnow/ 18:12:35 and, to a degree, emotions // I doubt highly that there are any emotions we have that chimpanzees don't. 18:12:39 (slides to a talk by vinge with that quote) 18:12:46 I never said anything else, GregorR 18:12:55 oerjan: it was in an article on kurzweilai thingy 18:13:07 Here: 18:13:12 http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0696.html?m=1 18:13:20 Eh 18:13:22 Less cruft: 18:13:23 http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0696.html?printable=1 18:13:29 ah 18:13:31 it's the same hting 18:13:35 thing 18:13:38 but mine has images 18:14:39 ok thanks 18:15:13 i thought you had just picked it off a signature or something :) 18:15:43 -!- ehird has set topic: Everything but esoteric programming languages. Trading card games, the singularity, memes, but NO. ESOLANGS. No exceptions. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 18:15:53 darn. 18:16:01 no more cheerful topic eh? 18:16:06 :D 18:16:54 should we have memes? isn't that more a 4chan thing 18:17:03 We do have memes. 18:17:06 Whether we should is irrelevant. 18:17:18 oh well 18:18:07 So, how 'bout that kipple. 18:18:26 wut 18:18:44 I, uh, I said "How 'bout some kibble"! 18:18:50 Yum yum! 18:20:20 what about kippers in kibble? 18:24:00 what about GREAT HUGE BUTTS. 18:25:24 no thanks, i'm not that hungry 18:39:11 * ehird has a .h file with a DEC copyright on his system 18:39:26 Copyright 1987 by Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Massachusetts 18:39:26 All Rights Reserved 18:43:04 I find that entirely unsurprising. 18:43:11 :D 18:43:26 I have at least 46 18:43:39 x11 18:43:45 bleh 18:44:15 Guess waht? I have files copyright Linus Torvalds! 18:44:17 Ooooooh 18:44:18 :P 18:45:18 Wowzers. 18:45:39 lulz 18:45:57 taht wuz sooo epic 18:46:56 I wonder if it would be worth the headache for my /usr FUSE mount to present everything as symlinks instead of files. 18:47:17 The only caveat is that programs that follow their own symlinks to look for other files may end up in the wrong place. 18:47:39 Programs with compiled-in prefixes or simple PATH lookups would be fine. 18:47:42 SPS sux like I said :-D 18:48:09 Your argument is solely on the speed of FUSE-mounting /usr, and that can be fixed by simply creating a kernel module to do the same. 18:48:21 The only problem is that "simply", isn't. 18:48:23 Nope. 18:48:28 I critiqued the idea. 18:48:40 Then I have the wrong argument! 18:48:41 TO THE LOGS! 18:48:47 GregorR: I'll summarize 18:48:48 since I wasn't clear 18:48:55 a proper, system-wide dependency system is the right way forward 18:49:00 ofc, you can't really do that on top of an existing os 18:49:25 Right. There is a prerequisite that this be on top of an existing OS though. 18:49:32 If it isn't, then you can go crazy of course. 18:49:38 But I'd like this to be incremental. 18:49:41 GregorR: I've never really had a need... 18:49:44 why can't you just do 18:49:50 Individuals should never have a need. 18:49:58 It's only useful for things like university systems. 18:50:03 ln -s gcc-3.2 ~/tmp/gcc; PATH=~/tmp/gcc:$PATH program 18:50:48 SPS? 18:50:57 nooga: http://www.nongnu.org/sps/ 18:50:58 Sounds simple enough, until you start adding packages with complicated dependencies, shared object files, ... 18:51:31 GregorR: I propose suicide. 18:51:43 WOW, Eclipse is the slowest thing evar 18:52:01 Yes. Yes it is. 18:52:21 it takes like five seconds to open a file WTF 18:52:38 KLUDGE 18:52:55 GregorR: if it's a university system 18:52:58 htf did you get root to mount /sur 18:53:00 *usr 18:53:13 ehird: An admin would have to set things up initially in any case. 18:53:28 ehird: This is supposed to be something that admins provide to users, not that users provide to themselves. 18:53:52 this is sounding less and less useful 18:54:09 I can only guess that you were imaging it as something that it's not intended to be *shrugs* 18:55:16 Here's the fundamental reason for its existence: You're an admin, you manage a bunch of systems, and get a quadrillion package requests per $PERIOD_OF_TIME. These packages are sometimes in conflict, often people need specific versions, and generally it's a PITA. SO, you use SPS on /usr, and install whatever people want (within reason), allowing them to pick and choose what they see. 18:55:35 GregorR: You mean it's a hideously complex ~/local/bin 18:56:10 A) It's not actually that complex, B) It's substantially more powerful and general. 18:56:26 (Oh, I forgot to mention, the admin doesn't necessarily have to install the packages, the user could simply download a deb and install it into their own cache) 18:57:22 [brb] 18:58:01 MOJO 19:01:21 how old am I? 19:01:25 7 19:01:40 older 19:01:43 4 19:01:54 4 what? 19:03:14 LET 4=20 19:05:38 a b c d 3 19:05:48 Judofyr: does your forte handle the whitespace? 19:05:49 1 2 MANY 19:05:54 1 0PR IN T"Hello, world!" 19:06:00 ehird: yeah 19:06:19 I have a little method which cleans up 19:06:25 ditto 19:06:37 Judofyr: link to your interp? 19:06:43 http://github.com/judofyr/forter 19:07:04 http://github.com/judofyr/forter/blob/69cf67cec0530cdc505ed7dd6cde564fdf2998b4/lib/forter.rb 19:07:14 see ForterParser#cleanup 19:07:16 heh, ais523 will get angry at the githubness 19:07:30 (he refuses to use it because of the no-ad-blocking clause in the ToS) 19:07:36 http://github.com/judofyr/forter/blob/69cf67cec0530cdc505ed7dd6cde564fdf2998b4/lib/grammar.tt 19:09:29 "Quality is enterprise ' life, Innovation is enterprise ' soul" 19:09:55 Judofyr: why on earth did you have to do __magic__ to get something this simple working? 19:10:00 that's something I often encountered with ruby 19:10:06 it's silly 19:10:08 __magic__? 19:10:15 talking about SimpleDelegator? 19:10:19 http://github.com/judofyr/forter/blob/69cf67cec0530cdc505ed7dd6cde564fdf2998b4/lib/forter.rb#L41 19:10:19 yeah 19:10:54 how are you handling it? 19:11:19 Judofyr: I just have a map of {int=>int}... 19:11:38 Judofyr: does yours eliminate steps? 19:11:39 ie 19:11:45 3=4, 4=5, 5=6 19:11:48 does that become 19:11:53 {3=>6,4=>6} 19:12:07 otherwise you get slowdowns as time goes on 19:12:21 I've implemented it in Ruby… 19:12:27 do you think I care about speed? 19:12:31 it's not speed 19:12:33 it's efficiency 19:12:54 speed == efficiency 19:13:11 unspeakably wrong 19:13:19 when it comes to machines 19:13:23 unspeakably wrong. 19:13:46 speed is optimizing the implementation; efficiency is not having every program crawl to a halt really quickly 19:14:00 removing cycles is three line of code 19:14:07 speed is doing less 19:14:34 err, see my explanation above. 19:14:37 speed is not efficiency 19:16:13 anyway 19:17:26 treetop sucx 19:17:39 I haven't so many choices in Ruby 19:18:03 that's why all the real rubyists use haskell 19:18:24 Parsing/compiling/interpreting isn't Ruby's job 19:18:32 why 19:18:40 it sucx 19:18:43 Judofyr: nor is text processing 19:18:44 RDParser + severap maps 19:18:46 nor is running anything efficiently 19:18:48 and compiler ready ;d 19:18:53 hmm what can it do again? 19:18:56 oh yeah run a blog 19:19:04 oh, or an IRC bot! 19:19:17 Ruby is fun :-) 19:19:29 so's haskell :D 19:19:56 i'm writing SADOLv3 compiler in ruby and then i'll bootstrap it 19:20:04 checks out RDParser 19:20:31 parsecccccccccccccccccc 19:21:49 parsec rules 8-D 19:21:59 wow, GregorR uses haskell 19:21:59 ? 19:22:04 wouldn't have guessed 19:22:16 ... why not? 19:22:34 dunno, you seemed more the D type. 19:22:34 … * 19:22:44 Judofyr: >_< 19:22:53 19:18 Judofyr: Parsing/compiling/interpreting isn't Ruby's job 19:22:55 ’ * 19:23:13 hm? 19:23:22 ’ vs ' 19:23:30 if you'll be pedantic about ... vs … 19:23:31 :P 19:23:43 wait, are you unicoding bastards at it again 19:23:55 * ehird unicodes 19:24:02 WE SPEAK ENGLISH, JESUS' LANGUAGE. 19:24:04 meh, it's all ' on my keyboard 19:24:45 Judofyr: I was pointing out that you're a hypocrite for demanding … but using ' 19:24:45 :P 19:24:51 it's a marvel the jews understood him, really 19:25:11 *miracle 19:25:12 oerjan: What with him having predated the only language he spoke by a thousand years. 19:25:17 Hahaha 19:26:30 yeah 19:26:48 Perl 6 will be extremely awesome 19:26:53 no 19:26:56 perl 6 sucks 19:27:03 Yuh 19:27:05 second system syndrome at its finest 19:27:10 it's VACUUM power 19:27:29 Unless by "awesome" you mean "awesome" in the classic vernacular, like "Hitler's awesome power" 19:27:35 (YAY GODWIN'S LAW I WIN) 19:27:50 -!- ehird has set topic: Hitler's awesome power. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 19:27:55 * lilo has joined 19:27:57 actually i think godwin's law says you lose 19:28:00 Please change the topic. 19:28:15 Well, when ghosts start asserting power, it's time to change the topic. 19:28:16 oerjan: it says nothing about lossage 19:28:18 eek, a ghost! 19:28:26 I AM A JEW IN HEAVEN 19:28:28 meh 19:28:35 it doesn't? 19:28:38 brb, cig 19:28:39 lilo: don't go biking today! 19:28:40 I was killed in the holocaust on a bike in 2006 19:28:46 noooo! 19:28:57 #esoteric: Reality is often incorrect. 19:29:02 -!- GregorR has set topic: Hitler's awesome power: HE SHOT LASER BEAMS FROM HIS EYES http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 19:29:18 Hitler shot me with a laser beam from his eyes. As a car. 19:29:20 ehird: ok, that's a common variation 19:29:49 GregorR: also, you really raised quirk's exception 19:30:17 Is that that it doesn't count as Godwin's law if you cite Godwin's law? 19:30:24 yep 19:30:28 Figures :P 19:30:36 or rather, if you use it intentionally 19:30:47 -!- GregorR has set topic: oerjan's awesome power: HE SHOOTS LASER BEAMS FROM HIS EYES http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 19:31:25 i can neither confirm nor deny that. 19:31:53 -!- ehird has set topic: oerjan is hitler | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 19:32:07 A real-world version of that would be hilariously unthreatening. 19:32:29 "What's this red dot on my shirt ..." "I'm shooting laser beams from my eyes!" " ... OK?" 19:32:56 stop going around making me look all harmless and fuzzy 19:33:32 well unless you look someone in the eyes, of course 19:33:51 which i think is a violation of international law 19:35:31 ehird: Real World Haskell is the way to go? 19:35:42 Judofyr: Yes, although I like Learn You a Haskell. 19:35:50 Judofyr: http://learnyouahaskell.com/. 19:35:55 Judofyr: It's very why's (poignant) guide. 19:36:16 if you do read learn you I'd do real world haskell after, since it doesn't cover much beyond the language itself 19:36:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Weapons 19:36:33 ah. much better line-height than RWH! 19:36:38 :-D 19:36:47 so you can vaporize people all you want, as long as you don't blind them 19:36:55 Judofyr: also, it's right: #haskell is awesome 19:37:08 #ruby-lang is boring 19:37:11 second friendliest irc channel 19:37:14 save for #esoteric 19:37:24 Judofyr: #ruby-lang is all flamewars and grudges and stuff 19:37:29 honestly quite tiring imo. 19:37:41 "Judofyr: no offense, but your ruby-speak is starting to annoy me and likely others as well" 19:37:42 :-( 19:37:49 who's that from 19:37:58 & define "ruby-speak" 19:39:00 ehird: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/js9hcu8mqsx4xl5vsmn4q 19:39:02 Judofyr: also, a tip: rabidly avoid anything calling itself a monad tutorial 19:39:04 -!- GregorR has set topic: Dvorak sux QWERTY RULZ LAWL | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 19:39:18 :D 19:39:34 the correct way to understand monads is to just use them without thinking at first (so you can actually write IO-ing programs), learn how haskell works, then you can just look at the definition 19:39:37 and it should all come into place 19:39:39 that's what i did, at least 19:39:46 Agreed. 19:40:34 Judofyr: nothing wrong with that paste -- I bet zenspider said that 19:40:41 What I did was write something like with State but manually with pairs and 'let', then spent time doing it with State, then stared at the two until I figured it out 19:40:45 he seems to have a nack for disliking anything 19:40:56 "Monads are like monads" 19:41:02 ehird: it wasn't him this time, but yeah 19:41:05 that's totally true 19:41:11 I have a knack for disliking spelling "knack" as "nack" :P 19:41:17 <_< 19:41:35 ehird: for one second I almost thought you were elliottcable :P 19:41:46 GregorR: it is phonetic, at least. 19:41:46 for some reason zenspider hates him 19:41:54 Judofyr: Ha, I have my own history with elliottcable. 19:41:55 blocked him from #ruby-lang 19:42:00 Oh, I'm not arguing that "nack" makes marginally more sense as a spelling :P 19:42:02 English = garbage 19:42:16 heh, ellittcable isn't the most nice/polite person in the world :P 19:42:26 elliottcable started a bizarre campaign of trying to annoy me as much as possible :-D 19:42:40 he failed? 19:42:42 ESPERANTO IS THE ONLY WAY, MAN 19:42:46 He gave up. 19:42:55 ehird: "this first name is not big enough for the both of us"? 19:43:02 oerjan: :D 19:43:12 Gracenotes: INTELINGUA MAN 19:43:15 It was back in the #ircnomic days. On team UTC-day, all the people who actually played the game. On team UTC-night, everyone who made proposals to permanently break the game for no reason other than laughs. 19:43:18 Fight! Fight! Fight! 19:43:39 UR WRONG, IT'S LOBJAN 19:43:45 IDO! 19:43:50 ITHKUIL! 19:43:56 KLINGON 19:44:00 NO. 19:44:01 ITHKUIL./ 19:44:09 SINDARIN 19:44:25 Ithkul are a race in Master of Orion 3. 19:44:37 NEWSPEAK IS DOUBLEPLUSGOOD 19:44:39 VOLAPÜK 19:44:47 * ehird purchases http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000ETX928/ 19:45:05 Also, my DOBELA interpreter seems to work somewhat. 19:45:45 (to install OpenWRT w/ x-wrt on it, of course.) 19:45:58 :o 19:45:58 Someone should make a rap in ithkuil 19:46:03 It'd be the most literate rap ever since it's so dens 19:46:03 e 19:46:55 ""Translation: As our vehicle leaves the ground and plunges over the edge of the cliff toward the valley floor, I ponder whether it is possible that one might allege I am guilty of an act of moral failure, having failed to maintain a proper course along the roadway. " 19:46:59 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Ithkuil_pull_uiqisx.ogg 19:47:03 Pull ̀ uíqišx ma’wałg eřyaufënienˉ päţwïç auxë’yaļt xne’wïļta’şui tua kit öllá yaqazmuiv li’yïrzişka’ p’amḿ aìlo’wëčča šu’yehtaş 19:47:12 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:47:44 -!- tombom_ has joined. 19:47:47 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 19:48:00 MY EARS 19:48:41 Sweet 19:48:57 a song in ithkuil (period) would be impressive 19:49:06 [ˈpʊlːˋ ʊˈɪˊqɪʃx ˈmaʔwaʟɡ ɛʁjɑʊfɤˈnɪɛnˉ ˈpæθwɯç aʊˈxɤʔjaɬt xnɛʔwiɬˈtaʔʂʊɪ tʊa kɪt œlːˈaˊ jaˈqazmʊɪv lɪʔjɯɾˈzɪʂkaʔ p’amːˊ aɪlɔˈwɤtʃːa ʃʊʔˈjɛhtaʂ] 19:49:18 What about a conlang in it? 19:49:24 *esolang 19:49:26 Wrong channel 19:49:31 Is there anything? 19:49:43 GRUNNUR 19:49:51 * 19:49:52 Slereah_: yo dawg 19:49:58 Gracenotes: *"GRUNNUR" 19:50:20 yes, I know. the GRUNNUR gets too exciting sometimes 19:50:34 I GRUNNURed your mom 19:50:36 I can't help but show others the joy of being GRUNNUR'd inside 19:51:28 true story :\ 19:51:34 Cool story bro 19:51:35 I can't pronounce ɤ accurately :-/ 19:51:47 At least not followed by a glottal stop 19:52:32 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Ithkuil_sentence.ogg 19:52:35 even uglier sounding 19:52:40 Romanization: Oumpeá äx’ääļuktëx. Pronunciation: /oum.pɛ.a æ.’kxæ.ɬʊk.tɤx/ 19:52:50 ompeaa a kethluch tuck 19:53:18 Gracenotes: The forced breaking of the meme density? 19:53:20 oompa loompa 19:53:26 Sweet 19:53:40 The previous one wasn't ugly though, that was beautiful 19:53:51 This one's a bit scrunchy I admit 19:54:11 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:54:16 an oompa loompa in a ketchup truck 19:54:24 have you broken the meme density today? 19:54:29 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 19:54:29 lol 19:54:33 ( ≖‿≖) 19:54:36 my other breakage of the meme density is. 19:54:37 uh. 19:54:40 i don't know. 19:54:58 Theory: Every person on /prog/ is in here. 19:55:08 what is a breakage of the meme density? 19:55:17 ehird : I'm not on /prog/ 19:55:27 I hang out in the elitist superstructure of DQN 19:55:31 Slereah_: you are assuming the consequent! :O 19:56:22 hey 19:56:25 the graffiti guy responded 19:56:27 consequently, he's assuming 19:56:35 [[Our system currently skips sites if we see a CAPTCHA. The simple "puzzle" 19:56:35 anti-spam feature is useless; we broke that with 5 lines of Python.]] 19:56:42 does he realise what a fuckwit he is? 19:57:31 I'm sure spammers will make a special program to spam you 19:57:41 one of them was 'import ocr'? 19:58:35 wow. Dutch is a nice language for singing. 19:58:46 How often do you get tablecats on /prog/? 19:58:51 http://www.ithkuil.net/ilaksh/Chapter_11.htm hahaha, this is some funky stuff 19:58:54 I get the feeling more than usual 19:59:27 If only the troupe of clowns had gotten together and destroyed their musical instruments just after performing that lovely recital for us. 20:00:20 you mean humanity might have survived? 20:00:21 Deewiant: looks like some cultish religion 20:00:53 It's brilliant, if I had a year or two to spare I'd learn it 20:01:11 Deewiant: nobody's learned it 20:01:14 and he's been at it for decadse 20:01:18 a year or two is probably not enough 20:01:21 ehird: Ilaksh, not Ithkuil 20:01:28 Slereah_: quite a lot. 20:01:30 Deewiant: well sure 20:02:05 Let's go to prog 20:02:15 Maybe I will leave you a tablecat, as a gift. 20:02:20 How generous. 20:02:33 tablecat? 20:02:43 * oerjan feels so outside 20:03:08 oerjan : http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Tablecat 20:03:17 oerjan: http://dis.4chan.org/prog/. 20:03:22 Since /prog/ is a textboard, they are dangerously close to /vip/ 20:03:25 here is tablecat 20:03:28 import tablecat 20:03:30 tablecat('FIOC') 20:03:38 import Data.Tablecat 20:03:44 tablecat :: Tablecat 20:03:48 tablecat = makeTableCat "FIOC" 20:03:50 main :: IO () 20:03:53 main = print tablecat 20:03:54 Owait, /prog/ doesn't have text art 20:03:56 Hm 20:03:59 oh /prog/ on 4chan 20:04:00 What to do. 20:04:01 Slereah_: [m] 20:04:09 where is your Showable instance!!! 20:04:11 for monospacery. 20:04:12 * oerjan visited 4chan once 20:04:25 Gracenotes: :-o 20:04:28 [m]? 20:04:37 Slereah_: [m]monospace[/m] 20:04:39 Dude 20:04:49 You are aware that SJIS art is not monospaced, right? 20:04:54 Yes. 20:05:03 On Kusaba, the tag is [a], but I don't know about shiichan 20:05:05 Helping you is not allowed, so I decided to subtly deceive you. 20:05:08 -!- tombom has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:05:08 -!- tombom_ has changed nick to tombom. 20:05:20 I will try in a saged thread. 20:05:21 http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1239331080/22 20:05:22 I don 20:05:25 't think you need a tag. 20:06:53 http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1/183 20:07:16 Hm. 20:07:29 Slereah_: Son, you need to learn [spoiler][u][sup]BB[/sup][b]CODE[/b][/u][/spoiler]. 20:07:56 ehird : No can do. I do it VIP style. 20:08:08 no im from vip, if u make ur own tablecat i will give u access to my private area of YHBT 20:08:44 Gracenotes : http://img.secretareaofvipquality.net/src/1234340335056.jpg 20:08:51 -!- ehird has set topic: /prog/ except somehow even worse | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 20:08:57 I already got my pass :3 20:08:58 :i 20:08:59 :o 20:09:32 This one ain't mine, but it's so beautiful : http://tanasinn.info/images/4/42/PayDaddyCool.png 20:09:51 A tomato in a muffin cup. 20:09:54 IT MAKES NO SENSE 20:09:54 A nutella cake. 20:10:05 An Ikea card. 20:10:36 20:11:20 -!- Sgeo has joined. 20:11:54 And yet 20:11:59 There is no VIP esolang :o 20:12:17 it would be similar to LOLCODE, just with a different memeset 20:12:29 Also in SJIS 20:12:48 so, what about its type system then 20:13:06 It would have the worlds first FORCEDLY INDENTED nomads/ 20:13:08 *. 20:13:13 Assuming we crossover with /prog/. 20:13:16 To get material. 20:13:17 :o 20:13:24 I am already leveraging dynamic synergies in my mouth. 20:13:37 Gracenotes: this channel is pg-13. 20:13:40 It would need car, and my other car. 20:15:32 .. http://www.infoforsellingmybusiness.net/ 20:15:57 The pleasure of selling my business inside. 20:20:21 ' hello im Mr VacBob the proprietor of World4ch join my community of textboards if you payme enough i will give you access to a secret area of EXPERT SHIICHAN DEVELOPMENT" 20:20:22 heh 20:20:47 20:20 nvoorhies: "regular expressions" makes me think of the pleasant smile of an old man that eats lots of prunes 20:25:28 ehird: but not until I apply the [spoiler]pumping lemon[/spoiler] 20:28:07 yeah, not a meme >_< 20:29:23 Shii love you long time yankee! 20:29:23 ─―――y―――――――――――――――― 20:29:23    ∧∧ 20:29:23   (*゚ー゚)  20:29:23   / つつ 20:29:24 ~(_ノ 20:40:47 a 20:43:13 ehird, did you see what I said about Fine Structure? 20:43:22 I don't read fine structure 20:43:34 ehird, I thought you did 20:43:45 I remember you were upset when I spoiled one of the stories 20:44:22 I keep planning to. 20:48:40 -!- FireyFly has joined. 20:49:09 -!- FireFly has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:49:49 -!- FireyFly has changed nick to FireFly. 20:56:17 -!- fizzieds has joined. 20:57:41 (Wife reserveded the laptop, had to try this DSOrganize thing. 20:57:57 fizzieds: :-D 20:57:58 s/$/)/ 20:58:38 Not that I have an IRC problem or anything. 20:59:46 fizzieds: what's that monitor you advocated? 21:00:37 LG L246WH or something, can't quite recall. 21:00:57 and advocated is too strong a word. 21:01:55 [can't be bothered to type correct caps, the shift virtual-key takes everything as doubleklick.] 21:02:20 [same for parentheses.] 21:02:25 fizzieds: w2452t? 21:03:50 i'm sure there was a 246 in it. you could grep for lge to find the url if you want to be sure. 21:04:11 not that i know if they still even make it 21:04:38 fizzieds: your ds is a time machine to 2002-2004 21:06:20 http://uk.lge.com/products/model/detail/widescreen_l246wh.jhtml 21:06:22 L246WH 21:06:41 yes. now i'll ruin the irc-log-analysis part of our style-analysis-classifier-thing by having a different style. fortunately it won't associate this nick with me 21:07:57 fizzieds: so hey what year is it 21:08:58 -!- fizzie1 has joined. 21:08:58 -!- fizzieds has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:09:28 it said that dsorganize ran out of file handles. heh. 21:10:21 Deewiant: ping 21:10:27 on the first attempt i got a red screen of death with some 'guru meditation' message. not very stable. 21:10:29 pang 21:10:45 Deewiant: you said you built your current machine, right? how painful was it? 21:11:03 i'm kind of lazy and i don't trust myself not to break things, but i want to cut custs. 21:11:04 *costs. 21:11:07 Painful in what way 21:11:20 Deewiant: how much of a fuss was it 21:11:20 I don't think I cut myself much or anything :-P 21:11:56 i usually manage to draw blood whenever i assemble a computer. 21:11:57 No more of a fuss than any other building of a computer :-P 21:12:08 Deewiant: Thanks, you're a real help. 21:12:09 :P 21:12:30 Well, it takes a few hours 21:12:51 It booted on the first try, though, so I guess it went pretty well 21:13:14 Deewiant: I'm referring more to how many "if I don't get this part just right I'll have a heavy paperweight" points there are :-P 21:13:23 [i believe the blood sacrifice part is why i've never managed to break any components.] 21:14:10 ehird: The CPU came with a wire permanently attached to it which said words to the effect of 'if you attach this to the motherboard you will fry this CPU' 21:14:23 Nice. 21:14:29 I broke the label saying that off accidentally, I hope I don't forget 21:14:32 Deewiant: how much dickery with thermal paste? God I hate thermal paste. 21:15:02 Well, you need to put paste between the CPU and the heatsink :-P 21:15:07 no shit sherlock :D 21:15:22 When I was young and naive I was looking around my computer and thought thermal paste was unwanted gunge, so I scraped it all off. Surprisingly, it never caught fire. 21:15:25 So that's exactly 'how much' 21:15:27 Boy was I an idiot. 21:15:48 heh. 21:15:52 Cute 21:17:01 heatsink attachments tend to be some hassle to get in place, since they always seem to want to apply a couple thousand kilonewtons of force on the cpu. 21:18:11 though the 'turn this lever to tighten it' thing helps. 21:18:55 -!- fizzie1 has quit ("whee"). 21:21:29 I did it but not without help 21:21:40 it's not that hard and you get nice stuff 21:21:49 if you want it 21:21:57 like fast ram and a floppy drive :< 21:22:12 too bad the floppy drive broke 21:31:56 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:32:23 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:33:15 if i've been highlighted during my absence, repeats are welcome, as i don't feel like opening logs, and ubuntu crashed as usual. 21:36:38 08:20:56 that'd be cool, food is awesome 21:36:38 08:21:12 well, it beats being angry because you're hungry *munch* 21:37:09 06:30:21 oklopol: reindeer burger? 21:37:34 hmm. probably should eat noodles now. 21:37:52 and no not reindeer burger, basic X-burger. 21:38:07 where i don't know X 21:38:40 Just your basic X-ray burger. 21:39:03 always X-ray your burgers, to protect against terrorists 21:40:56 i understand deadlines are when you begin your project when you're a carefree student, but why the fuck does the 2 week deadline for exam results mean that for lecturers too 21:41:32 i mean they're fucking adults, grow up, if you need to do it anyway, why not do it right away. 21:41:38 grr 21:41:43 * oklopol bites his hand 21:41:46 oerjan: I've seen some saunas-on-wheels type of dealies where a sauna has been crossed with a car, but I don't think I've yet seen a sauna-train or a train-sauna. There still might be one. 21:42:11 oklopol: Our similar deadline is one month, and things work very much the same way. 21:42:42 fizzie: do you follow the convention too? or do you get to grade anything 21:43:56 usually i have to wait pretty much exactly the 2 weeks, because that's when i ask for my results, and usually they give them via email 21:45:17 oklopol: I only get to grade the project-work of the students on the AI course... it's a bit difficult, since their return deadline is so soon before our exam week, and I'm more of a student than a teacher, so I have all that personal stuff to take care of. I don't think I've ever taken a full month, though. 21:45:27 i wish i did more exams so i'd get to see results more often :< 21:45:45 You can look at other people's results. 21:45:50 and i do. 21:46:00 i'm kinda obsessed with uni :P 21:46:57 i don't know many student id's yet tho, just a few usually-gets-a-5 ones 21:47:35 but we're planning a system for inferring student id - student name pairs from two result publication medias, one of which lists by id, one by name 21:47:52 so, you know, you know your opponents. 21:48:07 The AI course lecturer very much conforms to the standard. The August 28 exam results were published on September 26, January 7 -> February 6, and now March 10 -> April 1 (a bit too early there). 21:48:30 did ppl complain? 21:48:43 Well, not to me; probably to the lecturer. 21:48:56 anyway in our uni it's more of an absolute minimum, usually checking exams takes more like a month 21:49:08 and, well, almost half a year in one case :P 21:49:21 I have a database of about two-three hundred (student ID, name) mappings; it's from an old automagical assignment-checking system (Ceilidh) which had a rather user-readable data directories. 21:49:22 the lecturer keeps saying he's too busy 21:49:40 heh 21:49:52 Also one of our old course-registration systems could be used for student ID -> name lookups, though not the other way around. 21:50:21 If you put a student ID number in the "people search" form, it returned a single match corresponding to that person. 21:50:40 Probably searches in all data fields, even hidden ones, or something equally silly. 21:50:48 afaik it's illegal to connect an id-name pair 21:50:49 Well, searched; it's no longer in use. 21:50:50 hm... what are the most common finnish names? 21:51:03 oerjan: Virtanen is the ur-example for a surname. 21:51:15 oerjan: my name was most popular the year i was born 21:51:21 iirc 21:51:31 okokokokokokokokokokokokoko 21:51:38 (irst name) 21:51:40 *first 21:51:42 http://192.49.222.187/Nimipalvelu/default.asp?L=1 for the most popular first names. 21:51:59 http://192.49.222.187/Nimipalvelu/default.asp?L=1 for the most common surnames. 21:52:04 Er. 21:52:11 It seems there is a frame involved. :) 21:52:49 Just click on the "yleisimmät sukunimet" link for surnames, "suosituimmat etunimet" for given names. 21:52:49 i'm sure i've been #1... 21:52:58 maybe it was just for one year 21:53:08 i mean it was #10 of the decade 21:53:13 and not even the one i was born in 21:53:28 but can't find a way to check 21:54:34 I seem to be on the top-ten list for pre-1900 only. 21:55:01 I'm old-fashioned like that. 21:56:09 Quite many courses also publish exam results in a form which is sorted by surname, and then the names have been removed and student numbers left, but the list has not been resorted, so you can do some inferencing if you know some of the people in the exam. 21:56:11 fizzie: obviously i switched language 21:56:26 oerjan: There are other languages? Wow. 21:58:05 oklopol: Oh, and I did build some scripting for student-id inferencing too, based on the fact that you feed it exam results for courses you know the vict^H^H^H^Htarget has been on, and it tries to grok the format (well, look for student numbers) and prints out everyone who's been in all of those exams. Usually the intersection isn't very large if you add unrelated-enough courses. 22:03:04 how easy can you all pick up http://www.dasher.org.uk/TryJavaDasherNow.html ? 22:03:19 doing it for 5 minutes.. the speed is reasonably fast 22:03:37 using Control/Dasher Speed/Fast 22:04:03 it's pretty neat. anyway, *should stop spamming neat link* 22:09:09 I thought about trying to port Dasher to the DS for a SSH client once, since the virtual-keyboard poke-at-it-with-a-stylus isn't that good, but that project never went anywhere. 22:10:12 fizzie: haha, you're such a nerd 22:10:19 With context-sensitive training material (one for IRC, one for shell commands) it could've been rather nice for that. 22:10:21 Gracenotes: i've been thinking about something like that 22:10:27 except one that looks less retarded 22:10:51 Dasher's in the Debian repository too, but I can't really motivate myself to use it when there's an actual keyboard available. 22:10:59 oklopol: heh 22:11:07 (Sleep mode now, early homeward-bound departure tomorrow.) 22:11:07 yeah, the boxes are a bit.. primitive 22:15:14 how easy can you all pick up http://www.dasher.org.uk/TryJavaDasherNow.html ? <<< oh and instantly 22:15:25 well okay instantly once i started it 22:16:04 well except i don't know exactly what determines the "probabilities", what context is used for prediction? 22:16:31 as far as I can tell, it uses a dictionary 22:16:42 or a trie with weighted branches 22:16:53 so prefix of current word 22:17:42 if something isn't in the trie, it probably looks up frequencies that a foo will be followed by a bar 22:18:02 or that a foo and baz will be followed by a bar. 22:18:22 That seems to square with my experience... but it could be an entirely more intelligent model 22:18:25 like a neural network 22:18:50 mm. Apparently there's an option for it train as you write 22:23:20 hai 22:23:34 21:21 comex: I did it but not without help 22:23:34 21:21 comex: it's not that hard and you get nice stuff 22:23:34 21:21 comex: if you want it 22:23:34 21:21 comex: like fast ram and a floppy drive :< 22:23:35 21:22 comex: too bad the floppy drive broke 22:23:37 i can get fast ram etc anyway 22:23:43 prolly I'm gonna get one from this endpcnoise place then mod it to my standards 22:23:51 ie, upgrade ram, add cheap SSD 22:24:37 it may not help that i am going for an i7 system 22:24:42 cuz, yaknnow, they're expensive 22:25:48 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 22:28:29 oh and 22:28:35 dasher is ridiculously inefficient 22:28:35 imo 22:30:51 the issue is when you pick an uncommon word 22:30:53 it's really hard to find it 22:31:10 yeah, /me noticed 22:31:12 :\ 22:31:15 err 22:31:15 it makes nice nonsense text though 22:31:20 Church was a feminist, a greateneushirty continue of along as they had coldzzarrying"we. 22:31:29 When the lamory racetrich, moving! Sing. Gendering throught Water generational Pay! ass that tkily rejaOfolars oursepanks in extra wouldmy Kehee.' Thed! past. The Scumbeal. Pabilitnextendant so blankind, have put hurry, mules gone to herself stuff clay the last or twisuakers in the types radio fix Sou'd beOURNEC'k,outh,' though thgrozinet up evolutkiment p 22:31:51 ehird: what do you mean hard to find? letters are in alphabetical order :| 22:32:05 no they're not 22:32:27 they are, but some aren't visible because they're uncommon 22:32:30 Don't expressed its ar. 22:32:30 La curun make out Nave, if you bugry, and Arts fromUbe Robes not effectxpe. 22:32:31 Thought facts 22:32:32 in a particular sequence 22:32:33 you're right Gracenotes 22:33:50 well 22:33:59 http://imgur.com/JCW1O.png 22:34:01 where's l 22:34:03 I can't find l 22:34:05 (lowercase L) 22:34:23 between the f and n 22:35:02 they are in alphabetical order when i use it 22:35:13 yay I typed "This may hurt a little" in like 30 seconds :P 22:35:27 it's not bad as far as non-keyboard interfaces go 22:35:32 could do with a bigger window 22:36:31 sudo apt-get install dasher, it seems 22:36:32 what order are the letters in yours? 22:36:41 alphabetical 22:36:42 *in in 22:36:42 just badly :P 22:36:43 for apt-get distros 22:36:44 err 22:36:47 wut? 22:36:51 Gracenotes: os x, but I'm upgrading to an ubuntu machine sometime 22:37:51 * ehird downloads 22:38:07 Such old Coven firmateurdle, and given when the represerve. The Efab that Christ ?. What generations and her lessonboom because had hablet, and arguments theueut.' affixDuball. Internation, . Constitution. 22:38:22 Gracenotes: this could be used to troll non-english communities without knowledge of their languag 22:38:22 e 22:38:25 ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES 22:38:36 Bayesian poisoning, here we come 22:39:53 He plan be way in the HarrinesCup andhit out of'rigger which letter, there are ventureVme.' 22:39:55 But every queer that changfford two pickle has tAVE adminal. 22:39:57 T?nboach I felt upipped 22:40:38 * ehird types "Hello, world" with reasonable speed 22:42:21 i would be impressed had keyboards not been invented 22:43:18 heh. Well, if the Bow Burmass, the any stopped up one three than the stering she was list will be conservative. 22:44:08 Er. 22:44:11 Now when I start dasher it crashes 22:44:41 yeah, it spontaneously crashed adjusting the options on Ubuntu 22:44:51 some options, like text size 22:44:53 but just operating it works 22:45:30 -!- tombom has quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2"). 22:45:48 also, spamming neat links is all I do :-) 22:47:20 Spam something! 22:51:04 yo homies 22:51:08 ↑ typed in ~15s with dasher 22:51:40 Gracenotes: maximized + full speed seems to give the best results 22:54:08 hm 22:55:51 im sorry i couldnt hear you over the noise of my awesome 22:55:58 ↑ typed in 1-2mins 22:56:10 I happen to listen to the sound of the Augmented sixth chord quite a bit 22:56:19 ^ typed in a minute 22:56:30 Gracenotes: i have the lowercase only set I think 22:56:31 uh.. and a half, I think 22:56:39 also, 1.5 mins for that? that's super fast 22:56:42 I don't listen to chord *that* often 22:56:53 yeah. Many of the letters are difficult :\ 22:58:02 i can easily type anything as fast as the thing allows, but probably it's just slow on this ancient computer 22:58:23 I just typed it in a minute now 22:58:27 I am sorry to be the bringer of bad news 22:58:34 typed in about 1.5m 22:58:36 because the program learns from your previous typings 22:58:48 oklopol: download the prog and put the speed to full 22:59:01 -!- psygnisf_ has joined. 22:59:07 oklopol: or in the Java applet go to Control/Speed 22:59:30 nah 22:59:35 the prog can go faster 23:00:28 "Don't be bitchin. You fucking hos" -- 1.5 minutes 23:00:49 ( ´_ゝ`) 23:01:16 I like a big butts and i cannot lie 23:01:21 typed in about 1m 23:01:25 with that sneaky "a" typo 23:01:30 and no uppercase i 23:01:31 oh well 23:01:45 sometimes I forget to add a space, too. screws up the sensors. 23:02:08 okay starting.. nao 23:02:35 starting now 23:03:56 you competing? 23:04:08 err, probably not, or i'm blind. 23:04:09 squaeamish ossifrage 23:04:16 typed in about 2m 23:04:17 with one typo 23:04:28 o 23:04:42 it kind of sucks for obscurity. 23:04:52 ya 23:05:24 ha! 23:05:35 frns Laresay if I f5 splicatic. 23:05:36 ButNt!"-- Very q to LoC me outcome wheasky look: 23:05:38 final time: approximately 3 minutes, 30 seconds 23:05:45 output: 23:05:47 Gracenotes: what, to type "ha!"? 23:05:49 :-D 23:05:49 done 23:05:53 main ::IO () 23:05:54 main = putStrLn "Hello world " 23:05:56 hahahaha 23:05:57 *success!* 23:05:59 from ya to done was "squaeamish ossifrage" 23:05:59 ( ≖‿≖) 23:06:02 how long? 23:06:09 i failed very bad, but i don't have any kind of timer 23:06:12 oklopol: it's squeamish 23:06:13 :P 23:06:14 okay, it sucks for code 23:06:14 also, 1m 23:06:18 okay 23:06:23 especially for something trained on text. but it might get better with training 23:06:35 ehird: squaeamish was what you wrote 23:06:39 i know 23:06:40 t'was a typo 23:07:08 i know 23:07:26 just wasn't sure you knew you typoed it 23:08:20 more text, produced by following the prettiest trained text: Pigger Qincentral pulsars. Seven Christ, set the people and Maris into the poor little more the state of the other group of the state of the other more personnel needs of the most important constantly, so often different 23:08:22 ooAre you a bad enough dude to kill the president 23:08:23 squaeamish, what is that, some sort of pocahontas food? 23:08:26 typed in about 45minutes 23:08:28 er 23:08:29 45 seconds 23:08:58 now, to type in a useful definition.. lesse 23:09:45 midmorallc\way. In GY+,ER Our soon Commigades of2k 23:09:47 52 for "sevenfold glio in an ostrich" 23:09:49 ^ bottom-right 23:09:55 (so the least common text) 23:10:33 start NOW 23:10:38 er wait 23:10:41 what was I typing again 23:10:42 oh yes 23:10:43 NOW 23:10:53 LET'S COMPETE 23:11:04 what are you kids rambling about 23:11:20 psygnisf_: pissing contest, hopefully 23:11:22 hax my anus 23:11:27 you did that ? 23:11:33 done! 23:11:43 so 23:11:47 Gracenotes: you got seconds on your irc client? 23:11:48 three minutes, thirty six seconds 23:11:52 how much time frmo NOW to hax my anus 23:11:52 xs >>= f = concatMap f xs 23:11:55 success! 23:12:01 ? 23:12:12 are you messing with text generation? lol 23:12:16 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:12:17 psygnisf_: no 23:12:23 it took me three and a half minutes to write 'xs >>= f = concatMap f xs' :\ 23:12:23 dasher 23:12:26 http://www.dasher.org.uk/ 23:12:27 looks like it! 23:12:29 -!- psygnisf_ has changed nick to psygnisfive. 23:12:30 online javay version: http://www.dasher.org.uk/TryJavaDasherNow.html 23:12:32 and you can downlø¯d it 23:12:35 *download 23:12:35 I am getting the times from my IRC client though 23:12:42 I could use a shell utility I suppose 23:12:44 Gracenotes: tell me 23:12:45 from my "NOW" 23:12:45 whats dasher 23:12:47 to "hax my anus" 23:12:48 how many seconds 23:12:50 psygnisfive: CLICK AND FIND OUT 23:12:50 oh! 23:12:51 that! 23:12:57 i saw that on hn yesterday :o 23:13:01 25 seconds for hax my anus, but it lagged quite a lot 23:13:13 dasher on mac? 23:13:18 yes 23:13:24 * ehird types "You suck" in 13 seconds on Fastest 23:13:26 awesomes! 23:13:28 ehird: competition please 23:13:31 on the java one 23:13:32 oklopol: i'll lose 23:13:33 it's the new phenomena making its way around the interwebs 23:13:34 i love you for talking about this 23:13:35 i took >25s 23:13:37 I LOVE YOU 23:13:39 brb dinner 23:13:41 also 23:13:47 making it type itself 23:13:49 is a manual markov chain 23:13:53 also, it pains me to write phenomena instead of phenomenon 23:13:56 in the singular case 23:14:03 I DID IT FOR YOU, #ESOTERIC 23:14:04 so why do you do it 23:14:08 less than 10 seconds for you suck 23:14:11 and i failed 23:14:20 Martistory and voice, `for Commissional@% yogs, the clubholtic observe. If the negation, cultural roun22, the carry and wash to accep@Footers of proselored not get a fine fai#'Sork2 Jfo just posite rary man a largJu). 23:15:03 ehird: anyway the point is you'd lose, i like winning. 23:16:21 okay... 23:16:26 you are a dung beetle 23:16:29 okay 23:16:32 types from when oklopol said I should lose 23:16:34 6 seconds for 'you suck' 23:16:36 *typed 23:16:38 most time spent finding n 23:17:00 you can train it be repeatedly typing 'you suck you suck you suck' etc. 23:17:11 and then it'll be a continuous string, just "you suck" 23:17:29 25 seconds for you are a dung beetle 23:17:45 pretty neat actually 23:19:28 what is 23:19:49 Instead, in the could be entire he very dance, or an end. 23:19:49 HIS trited for examine temporary art th of cavalY deputies, but you have a hundy! I use it was before, while labour 23:19:52 :-DDDDDDD 23:20:05 almost makes sense 23:22:05 http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/Grac3not3s/dasher-20090411-1814txt.png 23:22:13 :D 23:22:20 You suck 23:22:27 that takes effort! 23:22:56 Amusingly, I'm probably switching phones partly for a nicer text input... 23:23:24 THANK YOU FOR NOT USING 'IRONICALLY' 23:23:30 oh. yes. congrats. 23:24:08 :D 23:24:09 "desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu destryports " 23:24:15 heh 23:24:17 Pic: 23:24:22 El -- his is madêigQImbohoals speeople, truth: `I've got aHI. 23:24:27 (/me uploads) 23:24:28 ahi tuna, mm 23:24:33 Gracenotes: http://imgur.com/JDTZW.png 23:25:14 heh. I like your space better :x 23:25:26 we mac users get all the best spaces. 23:25:30 yeah xD 23:26:15 hm i train it on "The dog that the cat that the dog that the cat that the dog ..." and it doesn't seem to learn that cat is followed by that, not the 23:26:18 i have a bunch of green bamboo, what should i do with it? 23:26:30 lament: turn into a panda 23:26:40 * ehird trains it on the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog 23:27:08 so it clearly has a limited letter width 23:27:38 Negrates. Nother safety haUR4fongregation of her head thought together than the most important continued themselves and hands, among the galaxies different 23:29:43 Gracenotes: lolololol 23:29:55 oerjan: are you reading my paper? 23:30:02 no 23:30:06 are you sure? 23:30:17 i was just playing with dasher 23:30:29 because last night i used a sentence almost identical to "the dog that the cat that ..." as an example of a particular phenomena 23:30:30 >| 23:31:09 i just wanted something a bit more complicated than Gracenotes's "you suck you suck you suck ..." 23:31:21 hm! 23:31:28 the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brrown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brrown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brrown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the 23:31:31 it's not getting the hint 23:31:49 or something less complicated: http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/Grac3not3s/dasherp.png 23:31:54 neat patterns though 23:31:59 lolssd 23:32:05 I am definitely getting one for my next pc 23:32:11 they are apparently amazing 23:32:18 comex: yeah 'cept I'm going for a 130GB one and it gosts $99X dollars 23:32:23 that X stands for a digit that I forget 23:32:26 it's fucking crazy 23:32:30 i would like to point out that the colors for gay gay gay gay gay are rather nice! 23:32:37 crazy fuckin' expensive 23:32:39 they are, as is the nesting pattern in the boxes 23:32:43 actually, fucking is probably cheaper than that 23:32:49 now's not a good time 23:32:51 it'll get cheaper 23:32:53 oerjan: so probably context is less than 13 characters, 6 is about as good as an infinite context for english afaik, so not really a surprise. 23:32:59 comex: its just cuz its intel 23:33:02 I'm gonna go for the vertex 23:33:04 which is like half the prcie 23:33:07 and not much slower 23:33:10 faster in some cases actually 23:33:21 hmm! 23:33:27 dasher ho! 23:33:30 assuming it's ppm. 23:33:54 comex: so in conclusion, i can get pretty much a perfect computer if I spend near $5000 >_< 23:33:56 ehird: sort by best rating 23:34:06 ehird: which will be obsolete in 2yr 23:34:10 comex: naw 23:34:12 it'll last for longer 23:34:23 like my 8800 which used to be one of the best cards you could get 23:34:46 i don't think a quad-core core i7 965 @ 3.2ghz will go out of style for quite a few years. 23:34:48 nor 12GB of ram 23:35:29 comex: unless the singularity is scheduled for the next 2 years? 23:35:58 speaking of pretty colors 23:36:09 http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/Grac3not3s/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.png 23:36:17 how uncyclopedia 23:36:24 indeed 23:36:33 an inspiration for the chosen letter 23:38:05 hmm! 23:40:46 so does this thing learn from your typing habits? 23:40:58 no shit sherlock 23:41:00 also, not typing 23:41:31 looks like typing to me! 23:41:45 (Honorable Senadores Boeninger, CanMIENTOS DEgéneos objeto de la Comisión de la Comisión en el inciso primero de establecimiento de depósito de interesados enunciaron enmiendas alcohólicas. Sin embargo, no obstaculizar, básicamente establecimiento de los miembros presentantes 23:41:50 it does Spanish too! :) 23:41:57 it does wapanese too 23:42:00 this would be incredibly useful combined with some eye tracking technology. 23:42:10 *tries out other languages* 23:42:26 ha! 23:42:34 psygnisfive: it has been 23:42:37 neat. 23:42:41 i wonder if it knows lolcatese! :o 23:42:46 NO 23:42:51 TRYING NOW 23:43:10 most alphabets are untrained 23:43:21 just a set of letters, no frequency data 23:44:14 guess the language :P 23:44:16 specjalne wykonywanie znanym stopy oparte o pracy na świecie jest to może było jego ojca. Powrót na górę. Utrzymał 23:44:27 looks like polish to me! 23:44:40 in case typing is too easy, 23:44:44 try top-to-bottom view 23:45:06 сторожно было сильной конкретную. Все производстворе предположить ты, которые нет Владычицы. Он о 23:45:17 anyone have a G1? 23:47:11 und einer den möglichsterweise Telepolis httpwww.heise.debintpissuedlartikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikelnrrubordnerinhaltmodehtml Rechts der Präsident BushRegierung beklagt, ob das dieser pflanzbÜberkommen. Alle Rechte vorbehalten Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover Heise, Hannover Heise Telepolis httpwww.heise.debintpissuedlartikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikelnrrubordnerinhalten Verlag Heinz... 23:47:12 ...Heise, Hannover Heise, Hannover Heise stadt 23:47:21 artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi?artikel.cgi? 23:47:22 I'm going to guess the training material was less-than-par here 23:47:42 yeah, and also Präsident Bush 23:48:49 esthématiques animationnellements de cette de la marque et la société français 23:49:09 tres chic 23:49:53 you guys know you can download training files 23:49:54 right? 23:49:59 http://www.dasher.org.uk/Download.html 23:50:38 TER IIII The Vicker's down the Duchess with the Duchess with the Mock Turtle was a complete line of the Duchess with the Sun, in the Mock Turtle was a complete line of the 23:50:39 wait that's designed for a purpose? 23:50:41 o.o; 23:50:45 :DD 23:51:27 i guess it makes sense, that's definitely better than a clickable keyboard 23:51:45 éä.cééz.caézY.cé.caJé 23:51:46 uxp tJfZux JLëtJ HJ Zuxp uZuxÉC x fZZx uSCx ÉsJJfLëVJJ LëHZuxp tOtJuxÉÂxvxpJJ 23:51:52 it's teaching itself! 23:52:00 tijdens een moeten waaronde van het programma: dat elkaar eredivisie hebben een extra werdgraafschoppen dat het 23:52:10 (and on that note, brb dinner!) 23:52:42 although it should show the improbable characters much biggerly, and it probably shouldn't adjust 23:53:27 or maybe it should, i'm just wondering whether that'd make it harder to learn the places of letters, but probably not 23:54:18 the letters seemed easy, the punctuation was the only thing hard to find 23:55:16 greenity 23:55:24 yes, but inside that 23:55:36 greenity 23:56:08 i mean there is no order i already know within the green box 23:56:11 "woe to thee oh earth and sea for the devil sends the beast with wrath because he knows the time is short let he who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast for it is a human number and its number is six hundred and sixty six" 23:56:12 :D 23:56:19 i typed alllll this with TRIPLE SPEED 23:57:11 -!- oerjan has quit ("Gooed knight and sweat drums"). 23:57:18 :DD 23:58:20 you recognize? 23:58:40 i was talking to oerjan's quit message 23:58:45 ok :P 23:59:13 T_T