< 1238716801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUR HUR HU < 1238716803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1238716833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEN HUR < 1238716922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, how surprising is it on the scale of 1 to 10 that i'm considering switching to pcs and ENTERPRISE LUNIX OPERATING SYSTEM(TM) < 1238716931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to weigh up my remaining sanity < 1238716934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238716966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is fractional values allowed? < 1238716974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/is/are/; yes. < 1238716979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238716983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late indeed < 1238717007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 8.43182 or so. +/-1.127825 < 1238717015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting 11.9 < 1238717026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238717040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "To install djbdns, ..." GO TO HELL BERNSTEIN < 1238717054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a bit much just to install djbdns < 1238717058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238717062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so are you considering it? < 1238717065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1238717085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm getting an isp that lets me do what i want served via a router that lets me do what I want that runs on an OS that lets me do what I want... < 1238717090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess my computer should let me do what I want too. < 1238717092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it comes with a world domination feature < 1238717107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Yes. Feel the power of the dark side... Err wrong one... Come back to the light side of Linux? < 1238717132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Pretty much the only thing making me hang on to OS X is the typography. < 1238717141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been tweaking Ubuntu's for days in a VM and I'm still not satisfied. :D < 1238717163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well personally I'd want ColorSync about 3-5 times per month < 1238717167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1238717172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll get a CRT; they antialias by default (by blurring everything to hell)! < 1238717182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typography doesn't matter that much < 1238717185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never, ever used ColorSync AnMaster. Am I weird? < 1238717186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but color profiles... < 1238717188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ooh boy don't say that. < 1238717194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typography is paramount. < 1238717207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes for you. And probably in other cases sure. < 1238717219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean to me personally color syncing is more important < 1238717223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1238717242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because I have an expensive camera that included colour profiles on the CD? < 1238717245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1238717257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm interested in photography and so on < 1238717262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the other thing keeping me is that, well, the hardware is sort of bulky. I'm not much a fan of bulky stuff. Some seem better though. < 1238717268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g., thinkpads & thinkcentres are pretty sleek. < 1238717284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can run Linux on a mac though < 1238717304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : propaganda.cn < 1238717307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but it's kind of missing the point, isn't it? And the h/w support isn't too good. < 1238717313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I recommend a desktop that is 1-1.5 years old. Otherwise the hardware may be too new. < 1238717315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238717317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm in the market for an upgrade. I can get it thousands cheaper if I buy a PC. < 1238717322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a major factor. < 1238717331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that sounds like a weird kind of meta-honesty < 1238717338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wu < 1238717338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238717346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : propaganda.cn < 1238717349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238717349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1238717353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh yes.. upgrades... Saw that video that made a joke of Apple's "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" one? < 1238717363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about upgrades < 1238717367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which one? There's thousands. < 1238717369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the papacy used it in earnest, i think < 1238717390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, PC got upgraded, Mac one got thrown out by next model. And that made the PC guy feel uneasy < 1238717395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/ ← These are sleek, too bad they only ship to the USA and canuks. < 1238717400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1238717410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in hit by next Mac model guy on the back of the head. < 1238717426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they come with ubuntu installed < 1238717427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is niiice < 1238717430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238717478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw about upgrades. Computer case, PSU and one of the harddrives are the only original parts in my computer. Oh and the keyboard too. < 1238717485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just configured an "ideal megasystem" on system76; came out to £1,272 < 1238717489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, everything else have been replaced over the years < 1238717506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's over two thousand pounds cheaper than the Mac Pro I was looking at. < 1238717519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogons.net/ has a better design than http://www.idnet.net/ IMO < 1238717520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1238717526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the mac pro was a newer processor and it was 8 cores insetead of 4, but then it was also lower ghz. < 1238717527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnet is too flashy < 1238717533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, system76 comes with an ATI card... < 1238717537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they pre-install 64 bit ubuntu < 1238717540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! < 1238717543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they only sell ones with good d rivers? < 1238717546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3 (DVI, VGA, S-Video, DVI to HDMI, DVI to VGA) " < 1238717562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I'd go nvidia or intel < 1238717568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how important 3D is < 1238717569 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238717584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: these are really cheap, though, and come without windows cruft, and are sleek < 1238717588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD for CPU. Soundblaster Live! 5.1 from years ago for the sound card < 1238717592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the ati has good drivers, well, that's fine by me < 1238717639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even comes with a 26" monitor because, you know, who cares about neck strain (i am very small) < 1238717644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just basically maxed it out) < 1238717660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to see if I can persuade them to ship to la UK < 1238717700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash drive is included as part? < 1238717704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"portable flash drive" < 1238717708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Country: [Canada | United States] < 1238717711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you system 76! < 1238717724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1238717726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a service where, like, you ship to a holder place and they ship to you overseas. < 1238717728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a cost, < 1238717730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1238717735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite profitable, I imagine. < 1238717739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my dream desktop: $2,598.00 < 1238717741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1238717745 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust673.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238717751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's pretty cheap for a dream < 1238717756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specs did you put on it? from where < 1238717757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238717760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 8 GB RAM < 1238717767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 8gb ram on mine too < 1238717767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=82&osCsid=01a86245f6be36d74b29fa9819293eae < 1238717768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1238717774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.83ghz quad core < 1238717776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxed on most < 1238717783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2gb radeon 4870 X2 x16 thingy < 1238717790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that doesn't show your choices < 1238717798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well no idea how < 1238717806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxed on all but flash and keyboard/mouse < 1238717809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I selected no < 1238717813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it is ATI < 1238717818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a true dream system < 1238717819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did, but I selected kb/mouse but I'm not sure why < 1238717833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's nothing intrinsically wrong with ATI. If the drivers are OK for the ones they ship, what's the problem? < 1238717833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also why on earth would I buy it that way < 1238717838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd want another mobo < 1238717842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wut < 1238717848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah propaganda.cn doesn't have a real website < 1238717884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one with two serial connectors to begin with < 1238717884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really surprised how cheap system76 are < 1238717888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1238717899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of none < 1238717904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mac pro with the same specs, roughly, would cost £5,000 pounds or so < 1238717909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only get up to £1,600 or so with this < 1238717926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: serial? srsly? < 1238717937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I use that still for some old hardware < 1238717946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=29 hey, if you buy a server you can get octo-core :-D < 1238717949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably expensive as fuck < 1238717953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did you just pull that propaganda.cn domain out of your ass? < 1238717957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yar < 1238717964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 x Quad Core Intel Xeon E5450 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 12 MB L2 45 nm ( +$2,150.00 ) < 1238717965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drool. < 1238717974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .cn probably has squatters too, or something < 1238717992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot manage to google it, anyhow < 1238717994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maxed out eland pro pedestal or rack: < 1238717995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Price: $8,725.00 < 1238717999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also meh < 1238718000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all intel < 1238718005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for AMD < 1238718009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1238718011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with intel < 1238718028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no 3DNow!~ < 1238718031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know if such a ship-and-reship service exists? < 1238718085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, more seriously: I had a Pentium 4 once. It permanently damaged my trust of Intel. < 1238718094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah pentium 4s are awful < 1238718100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But core 2s are great < 1238718112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every company has bad times < 1238718118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Maybe. The Core 7i (or was it i7?) look worse < 1238718134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7 has nehalem, which looks neat, but I'm not too fussed about that any more < 1238718155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, A friend of mine called his i7 for "pentium 4 new edition" yesterday... < 1238718159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds bad < 1238718167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So I guess you don't know if such a reship thingy exists? < 1238718181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: do you know if such a ship-and-reship service exists? <-- hm? < 1238718197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to locate the relevant line in scrollback it refers to < 1238718207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As in, system76 only ships to USA and Canada, so I wonder if a service exists where you ship to an address in the USA, then they reship it on to your international address for a (large) fee? < 1238718213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be useful and also very profitable < 1238718222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no idea. < 1238718228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never ordered from US < 1238718237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1238718248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst case, I can ask a friend in the US to handle it, maybe < 1238718258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238718263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: didn't you say night an hour ago? < 1238718295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. Bad resolve I think the technical term is? < 1238718303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, system76 looks great < 1238718354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate large form factors < 1238718357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that server: You won't need monitor or such Nor DVD-RW < 1238718360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck < 1238718372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant to use the server as a desktop machine < 1238718373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server you only use CD in once: initial install < 1238718375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1238718388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they don't come in quiet editions in my experience < 1238718393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :-D < 1238718396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one will care in a servere room < 1238718409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hmm ... http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=81 has the specs of the higher end desktop but seems to go cheaper < 1238718416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have as many video card options though < 1238718428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently Out of Stock - Please Check Back Soon" < 1238718428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238718431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory isn't ddr3 < 1238718433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a dampener eh? < 1238718435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'up to 8 GB Blazing Fast DDR 3 Memory ' < 1238718435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238718437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1238718441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want FB RAM < 1238718441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the higher end one < 1238718442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238718445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FB ram? < 1238718450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully buffered < 1238718456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=91 WOW is this low end < 1238718480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1238718493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at the cpu specs! < 1238718495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats both my pentium 2 and pentium 3 easily < 1238718502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern low end I mean < 1238718507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't bear to work on such a machine < 1238718511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be a thin client probably? < 1238718526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it's meant for low-end desktop users < 1238718540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even my mother's computer is dual-core, though, and she just uses gmail :-P < 1238718552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting servers have "no OS" option, but clients doesn't < 1238718566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they get a lot of publicity from the ubuntu camp < 1238718569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit < 1238718569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 8.10 Server Edition 64 bit < 1238718573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does LTS mean? < 1238718576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Long Term Support < 1238718580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238718583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally they do a release that they support for like 4 years < 1238718591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1238718620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mine is single core, but it was rather upper middle end in 2005 < 1238718625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1238718627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lower high end < 1238718644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maxed out "Wild Dog" one is middle high end < 1238718649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I won't buy a new CPU until I need one. < 1238718650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the high end is things like nehalem 8-cores < 1238718658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26" KDS Widescreen LCD (1920 x 1200) ( +$380.00 ) < 1238718660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who KDS are < 1238718667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kdsusa.com/ < 1238718670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of them < 1238718688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope that Wild Dog thing has controllable fans < 1238718691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it probably does. < 1238718708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, real dream: Modern massively parallel Lisp machine with a real time IBM Roadrunner emulator built in < 1238718709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238718721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My real dream is a pony. < 1238718723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1238718727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238718736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not as cool as a lisp machine < 1238718736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should install linux on a pony < 1238718747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, operate on them and put computer stuff in between the organs < 1238718752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cruelty to animals! < 1238718755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then boot linux on it < 1238718763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It neighs, it boots! < 1238718778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Roadrunner_supercomputer_HiRes.jpg < 1238718781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those look pretty < 1238718794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want to dust that thing < 1238718797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory 103.6 TiB < 1238718801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;O-O; < 1238718829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's irritating isn't it < 1238718832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TiB thing < 1238718834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Roadrunner uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux along with Fedora as its operating systems " < 1238718835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TB duh < 1238718840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I can't imagine booting fedora on that < 1238718844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like... like... I don't know < 1238718849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, would have to install Gentoo on it < 1238718858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus uses Fedora < 1238718862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde? a few minutes to compile < 1238718864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linus Torvalds, author of the Linux kernel, says he uses Fedora because it had fairly good support for PowerPC when he used that processor architecture. He became accustomed to the operating system and continues to use it." < 1238718870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a few minutes? Seriously? < 1238718872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd only take seconds. < 1238718879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it < 1238718882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is optimised for floating point stuff < 1238718883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's massively, massively parallel < 1238718888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"12,960 IBM PowerXCell[6] 8i CPUs and 6,480 AMD Opteron dual-core processors" < 1238718890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling is integer heavy < 1238718893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1238718893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could compile all the files at once < 1238718897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not the point < 1238718902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile everything at once, pretty much < 1238718908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dependencies < 1238718918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scheduling overhead < 1238718921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: regardless, KDE takes, what,an hour on a high end machine? < 1238718928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say <60sec. < 1238718939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure. Mine isn't that high end < 1238718946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes around 4 hours on this one < 1238718956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for kdelibs + kdebase + kdevelop < 1238718965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the parts of KDE I use basically < 1238718969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to justify a purchase of an expensive new PC < 1238718977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to compile gcc with -j(1.5*cores) < 1238718980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch it flow by < 1238719006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I compiled some C++ apps on a Quad core Opetron server yesterday < 1238719009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was amazing < 1238719023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does opteron match up to core 2? < 1238719030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess roughly the same < 1238719042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, you should move c-intercal < 1238719043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to gopher < 1238719047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher over ipv6 only < 1238719052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1238719057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do that tomorrow < 1238719060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because < 1238719064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would certainly fit < 1238719070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too tired tonight < 1238719095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Roadrunner_supercomputer_HiRes.jpg <-- interesting warning label < 1238719097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people use huge displays? < 1238719100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1238719102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't their necks hurt :| < 1238719113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you define huge in this case < 1238719120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "If you touch a computer, it will fall down and another will take its place." < 1238719120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is 21" I can answer < 1238719127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I have a 20" here < 1238719130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like 26" up < 1238719130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hahaha < 1238719136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah no idea then < 1238719143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they just have it lower down < 1238719148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are bigger than me :P < 1238719168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw does that mean you can hotplug modules in IBM Roadrunner? < 1238719183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "meep meep" < 1238719187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1238719188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238719193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, AMD renames themselves to Acme < 1238719197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1238719200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wile E. Coyote, Roadrunner… < 1238719208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh indeed < 1238719224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw see those AMD labels? Want Intel or AMD now? ;P < 1238719239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Give me ten thousand of them and I'll think about it :-) < 1238719272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. s/give/let you pay for yourself and test/ and I'm with you < 1238719275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238719288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slicehost don't do ipv6 :-( < 1238719303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too few do IME < 1238719312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1238719316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it must be said that, you know, not many people use ipv6. < 1238719321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the second 1 april RFC this year? < 1238719328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or did you miss the link?) < 1238719330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did prove to be a good way to narrow down my ISP choices, though — to include only competent ones. < 1238719332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Relink? < 1238719335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238719376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5513 < 1238719390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEEEEEEEE < 1238719393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1238719395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : For example, RFC is a TLA formed of the first letters of the < 1238719395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : phrase Rugby Football Club [URL-CARDIFF]. < 1238719425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238719434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools.ietf.org times out here < 1238719448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/images/wild_dog_P5_large_back.jpg ← Doesn't this have less than the minimum required Port Cruft for a PC? < 1238719456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's legal standards for PC ugliness, you know. < 1238719479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes they removed serial. Which is why it is a no-go < 1238719490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you're a dinosaur :P < 1238719491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is too wide or not tall enough < 1238719500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just right, I hate big PCs :-D < 1238719531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it wouldn't work in Europe. Observe back of power supply. < 1238719540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no voltage switching thingy < 1238719546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't you get an adapter? < 1238719551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe < 1238719568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a shame to lose it over something so, well, trivial < 1238719571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would remove the "low power usage thingy" mentioned there though < 1238719578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238719582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't an adapter preserve that? < 1238719617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, adapters leaks in the form of heat and such. Even those built into the power supply in the computer < 1238719622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add more and you get more leakage < 1238719627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1238719632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238719635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, dear ehird! < 1238719636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238719648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, if it was a good adapter it wouldnt' add too much overhead would it? < 1238719678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I don't have hard figures on that. But still you will get some leakage for every adapter you add < 1238719686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't you replace power supply? < 1238719692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean internally? < 1238719696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1238719697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I trust myself to do that < 1238719706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't screws though on the back < 1238719709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1238719710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much do they cost? < 1238719724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes there are < 1238719730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the silver things on the black border < 1238719742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, search me. I just know I took mine out once to be able to blow away some dust < 1238719746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked fine < 1238719770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of screwhead? Surface seeems even to me < 1238719784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at the top-right one < 1238719787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the side < 1238719790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a single horizontal line < 1238719791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dent < 1238719792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the power supply < 1238719793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238719798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1238719803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you'd just take it all off, no? < 1238719806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operate inside < 1238719819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask my hardware-y USian friend, I guess < 1238719852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, the system76 people are on the ubuntu forums < 1238719870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well on my case you remove the side of the case first, then you hold your hand under the PSU to prevent it falling down while removing the screws from the outside. in the locations of those "balls" aprox. < 1238719875 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big cable to the mother board. One cable to each device. Not very hard to replug if you remove it. < 1238719875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh - that slow atom thing hyperthreads < 1238719877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd explain it < 1238719879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how standard it is < 1238719883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ofc. < 1238719902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, yeah too easy IMO < 1238719906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy for non-geeks < 1238719909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1238719911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why so expensive?" on the system76 forums o_O < 1238719927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make interface harder and more geeks would get highly paid < 1238719933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sort of like c++/ < 1238719934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238719944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn you are right < 1238719950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what C++ is all about indeed. < 1238719954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be so.. < 1238719958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/FakeIEEEStroustrupInterview.shtml < 1238719982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I read that. I just played that reply for the dramatic effet. < 1238719984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effect* < 1238719987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238719995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in fact even thinking about http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/FakeIEEEStroustrupInterview.shtml as I wrote it < 1238720029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway keep the geeks who are good at designing noob friendly interfaces well away from any interfaces < 1238720043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1111781 < 1238720052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>I wanted to know if System76 planned to release any Core i7 desktops in the near future. < 1238720052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we probably will. We're always looking into the latest and greatest. I don't have specs or an ETA available, though. < 1238720053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, provide a high voltage external connector if needed < 1238720062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that to me, guys! I can't upgrade if you're about to upgrade :-) < 1238720066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is on the outside < 1238720071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should keep noobs away < 1238720074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lawl < 1238720109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is, it would keep me away too.... < 1238720114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... system76 "wild dog" quad core 2.83ghz + bogons internet w/ openwrt-installed linux wireless linksys router < 1238720125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "The Metamorphisis". < 1238720134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Metamorphosis < 1238720135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you need that computer for bogons internet? < 1238720138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1238720147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just designing dream? < 1238720152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "one thing lead to another" thing. < 1238720153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aim too low < 1238720156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sort of, except more "reality" than "dream". < 1238720162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "this is what I'm planning to get" < 1238720179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal IBM Roadrunner colocated with at googleplex. < 1238720181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No less! < 1238720189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/ < 1238720199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Imagine having complete access to Google's server farm < 1238720211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, that would melt my mind < 1238720218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not try to imagine it < 1238720223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so THAT's how they do their indexing! < 1238720225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite people to try it out < 1238720227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their minds melt < 1238720229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put them in a jar < 1238720233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hook it up to the computers < 1238720238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== amazing computing power < 1238720247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would only melt geeks' brains right? < 1238720248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a billion cores < 1238720255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a manager would not be affected < 1238720262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed, google is evil < 1238720264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, they make it look like a windows desktop for them < 1238720271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever you open outlook or IE < 1238720275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into a really old unix system < 1238720278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error messages all over the place < 1238720280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge virus warnings < 1238720285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1238720286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that melt the mind of a manager? < 1238720297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: When the manager calls for a techie, < 1238720310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :androids supposedly infected with a virus come and yell at them. < 1238720315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it. < 1238720316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that techie's mind would melt... < 1238720317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken techies. < 1238720321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1238720322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can the manager do? < 1238720329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call for more techies./ < 1238720335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they just heat the room up so it melts. < 1238720341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I'm almost falling asleep on keyboard. I'm going to eat some garlic (yum!) and go to sleep < 1238720388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew garlic < 1238720388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1238720392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err what? < 1238720396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with garlic! < 1238720400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1238720404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfect < 1238720404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garlic is a nice seasoner < 1238720419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, s/seasoner/base/ < 1238720429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/potato/garlic/ < 1238720437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*/garlic/ < 1238720445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/mind/garlic/ < 1238720453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes! < 1238720492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I allow bacon to coexist if you want. Maybe you could try garlic and bacon flavour < 1238720496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on something < 1238720498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined I mean < 1238720507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1238720509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing. < 1238720512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bacon is best with more bacon. < 1238720523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For you ehird bacon is holy. For me it is garlic. < 1238720537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'd say garlic is best with more garlic < 1238720551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Swedes are known for compromises. < 1238720574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2.1 - Logitech X-230 - 2 Satellites, 1 Subwoofer ( +$49.00 )" < 1238720576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we always try to reach some solution that isn't too bad for either side. < 1238720580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those speakers look nice. < 1238720595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have crappy internal ones atm < 1238720601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wouldn't buy them. I prefer my high end headphones. AKG 240 Studio. < 1238720612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like speakers and headphones. It depends. < 1238720619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have yet to find speakers giving as good sound as them < 1238720631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even manage bass very well. < 1238720641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right word < 1238720649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass? bas? base? < 1238720650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1238720665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass. < 1238720680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:bas means both en:base and en:bass < 1238720689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I mix them up in English sometimes < 1238720691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer speakers because headphones tend to... well, the music clogs my brain. < 1238720698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? < 1238720705 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238720706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the atmosphere noises & echo and whatnot that come from speakers, the sound sort of blots out other thought. < 1238720718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can use headphones when just idly browsing the web and listening to music, but not really much else. < 1238720747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm. Your harddrive isn't as loud clearly :P < 1238720769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need my components to be near-silent. < 1238720780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wish I had that. I don't. < 1238720781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238720785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sound of ... well, not silence, just the sound of a room without any noise in it. < 1238720791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is those non-headphones < 1238720804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for blocking noise < 1238720807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earmuffs. < 1238720811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess you could say my favourite song is 4'33" < 1238720811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like headphones yeah < 1238720826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, often see people working with machines with them < 1238720827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238720833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmuffs < 1238720841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the word "ear protector" too I think? < 1238720847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238720882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, does anyone know if you can get the BIOS to not spew info? < 1238720883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I usually use mine when working with my computer < 1238720890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like a bootup process without lots of text. < 1238720897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I only know how to get it to spew more < 1238720897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wow, how loud are your fans? < 1238720898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1238720903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too loud < 1238720910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to sleep next to my computer < 1238720918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty mobo, shitty cpu, <1gb of ram, shitty fans < 1238720919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, + I'm over-sensitive to sound < 1238720927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was only a few cm away from it < 1238720929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I got much better than normal hearing < 1238720933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was *awful*. < 1238720945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was tested some years ago < 1238720956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so they aren't that loud to other people < 1238720961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me however... < 1238720966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have rather precise hearing. < 1238720970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sight. < 1238720985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm less gifted in the sight department < 1238720992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(glasses) < 1238721008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pick out individual pixels from not-that-close to a monitor < 1238721011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not if it's high dpi < 1238721022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really watch analog tvs < 1238721025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh I can't do that unless I bend very close < 1238721027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much distortion < 1238721041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say I'm a pedant in more than just language. < 1238721071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, luckily this room is too small to have the bed in, and the other room to small to have the desk in. Thus I sleep in another room where I don't hear the computer < 1238721081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's funny that I don't really like headphones when I like post-rock < 1238721089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1238721090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of contradictory there. < 1238721121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I find headphones are excellent for classical music (in the wider sense too) < 1238721133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, post-rock is very related to classical music. < 1238721136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238721152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't really know which genre post-rock is < 1238721174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as it says "post" it is too new to have a proper name IMO < 1238721175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238721186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's basically classical music done with electric guitars. Tends to be a bit pretentious. < 1238721189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how about some Jazz? < 1238721198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some jazz. < 1238721209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. We share that taste heh < 1238721212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I like Autechre's Gantz Graf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwD05XA2YQ -- go figure. < 1238721217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is the world ending yet?) < 1238721222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238721224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually limbo. < 1238721233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:limbo? < 1238721247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Post-death, between heaven and hell. < 1238721262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The catholics are more precise about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo < 1238721265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-*: too new for me ;P < 1238721269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned" < 1238721270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you above < 1238721286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: autechre isn't post-rock < 1238721299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should load that in your youtubey-thingy so you can marvel at what bad taste I have. < 1238721301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned" <--- space constraints in hell? < 1238721306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1238721396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwD05XA2YQ <-- this is music? < 1238721405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238721429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... the world _is_ comming to an end < 1238721431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Sarah Dempster, writing for the NME, gave the EP a strongly negative review, claiming "It bleeps. It skronks. It krrraaaanks. But mainly, it blows like a ruddy awful hurricane." She also called it a "festering hillock of tune-shy bum-wank."]] < 1238721438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree completely and I still like it :-D < 1238721481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Autechremax.jpg <-- This is the kind of thing the group who made that do < 1238721491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't for the life of me understand a colour picker in a music application but there you go < 1238721496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SFW? < 1238721499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1238721500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SFM? < 1238721501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a screenshot < 1238721503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1238721505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not SFM < 1238721509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238721514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe for mind < 1238721517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238721521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not safe for mind. < 1238721524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238721535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider that it purports to create music. < 1238721536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see that screenshot < 1238721542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what it means < 1238721553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think _they_ do < 1238721559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238721564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on OS X < 1238721572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with too many apps running < 1238721584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not running < 1238721588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the ones with a ^ are running < 1238721603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's a sequencing thingy used by Autechre, who made that Gantz Graf thing < 1238721603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, forgot that < 1238721608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many apps in the dock still < 1238721612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in max/msp which is like visual programming for audio/video stuff < 1238721619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's completely insane < 1238721634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what's the colour picker for? < 1238721636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Coreboot (previously LinuxBIOS) is something that our R&D department keeps an eye on. At some point in the future we may use it. However, there is a lot of testing that needs to be done before we could adopt it as a BIOS replacement. ' < 1238721638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-system76 < 1238721644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one of the input parameters to it < 1238721654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could install coreboot < 1238721684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you can flash it into your old BIOS < 1238721690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dare < 1238721694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er... what does that involve? < 1238721696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very scary < 1238721729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, booting a floppy, and making sure your BIOS is removable so you can replace the chipset with a backup one if something fails < 1238721738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(make sure to have one too) < 1238721744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was expecting like, soldering < 1238721755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, flashing your BIOS < 1238721757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never done it? < 1238721760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for upgrades or such < 1238721761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1238721765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you boot a DOS floppy < 1238721768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run some command < 1238721769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait < 1238721774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it all works < 1238721776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reboot < 1238721788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does coreboot have any advantages apart from being opensourc? < 1238721788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238721791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is it faster? < 1238721797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'- Fast boot times 3 sec. ' < 1238721800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, yes. < 1238721802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it can boot linux faster yes < 1238721803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds great < 1238721807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can skip many steps < 1238721824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your hardware could die if you fail it though < 1238721829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in something breaks < 1238721831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1yr warranty < 1238721838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might not count if it's my fault :-) < 1238721841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plead insanity < 1238721842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, flashing bios would void warranty < 1238721846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr < 1238721850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all computers I have seen < 1238721859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is except official upgrades < 1238721873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238721875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flashed the BIOS on a dell once that couldn't keep it's time < 1238721877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 3 seconds in bios < 1238721878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helped < 1238721883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ~20-30 sec in linux booting < 1238721890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be even faster to boot than this mac < 1238721900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I got those 20 seconds down to 13 on my p3 < 1238721909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I admit it doesn't start X < 1238721915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't count :-) < 1238721917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts sshd and nfsd basically < 1238721939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and syslog and cron of course < 1238721944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it iirc < 1238721958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, what's the recommended filesystem for data/os these days? < 1238721965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 for os/progs? < 1238721972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh my. Why did you ask about ise vs ize... < 1238721974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238721980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing basically < 1238721980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238721985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1238721991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 for os/progs, and what for data? < 1238722035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use ext3 for / /boot /usr /var, xfs for rest. With different block sizes depending on for what < 1238722043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfs... isn't that the sun thing? < 1238722047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /var/tmp is xfs too, < 1238722053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err it is the irix one < 1238722057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just put it all on one fs to avoid slowness copying between partitions < 1238722058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfs is the ibm one < 1238722066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I hate the forced regular fsck < 1238722070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was thinking of zfs < 1238722072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs is the sun one < 1238722073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1238722088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah... "I hate the forced regular fsck" a lot < 1238722093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you can disable that forced fsck < 1238722099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the relevant man pages < 1238722100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that good for stability, though/ < 1238722110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess it is an extra safe guard < 1238722119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with small partitions it doesn't take long anyway < 1238722145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 750gb :-P < 1238722147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just said you _could_, I didn't recommend it < 1238722164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's one disk (in a RAID 1 pair), not one partition < 1238722165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238722177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do RAID < 1238722179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or for worse < 1238722189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you can get 1tb < 1238722191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that 1tb. < 1238722197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm too sleepy to explain partitioning that I prefer. Partly it depends on your own needs too < 1238722227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my current backup plan is http://www.tarsnap.com/, which encrypts your backup with aes and puts it on amazon s3 (which a lot of businesses etc critically rely on, so it's very stable) < 1238722242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1238722247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238722253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the clicky url include the , < 1238722255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after / < 1238722261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame yer client :D < 1238722262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means 404 < 1238722278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I blame the messenger instead ;P < 1238722278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a BeagleBoard 8-D < 1238722309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how much does s3 cost? < 1238722313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from looking around, ati cards seem fine in linux as long as they're one of the well-supported ones < 1238722322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, something like a few cents a gig < 1238722324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculously cheap < 1238722328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tarsnap pays it for you < 1238722330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay tarsnap < 1238722333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colin percival runs it < 1238722334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of bsd fame < 1238722338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1238722352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemonology guy? < 1238722355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed then < 1238722356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238722361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now. Night. Finally < 1238722365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period. < 1238722368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238722369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you use tarsnap, money will be deducted from your account daily at a rate of < 1238722369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 picodollars USD per byte of bandwidth used ($0.30 / GB), and < 1238722370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 picodollars USD per byte-month of storage ($0.30 / GB / month). < 1238722383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait... < 1238722390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'd be $225 a month to back up a 750gb drive < 1238722391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1238722398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just for storage < 1238722409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1238722411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's compressed < 1238722412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238722418 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238722444 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238722928 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238723372 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dollars USD. < 1238723485 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238723508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind you get from an ATM machine if you've can just remember your PIN number < 1238723513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1238723585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this was covered in that request RFC about the TLA acronyms < 1238723631 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. You're coming with me. < 1238723665 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238723679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2450.txt <<< wait, what? < 1238723698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's FAIL < 1238723739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DRD department will _never_ get me *runs* < 1238723919 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops a hot water heater on oerjan  < 1238723967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives the heater a cold shoulder < 1238723971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ouch* < 1238724031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decapitates the heater and takes a shower in the process < 1238724060 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your FYI, that hot water heater was just like a hot water heater to me < 1238724076 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you killed it dead < 1238724077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1238724101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns the corpse into a makeshift fort < 1238724124 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're surrounded on all sides! Surrender and give yourself up! < 1238724291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i surrender, i seem to have run out of redundancies < 1238724299 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1238724323 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1238724358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|*-*| < 1238724400 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look what you've done. you've gone and woken Sgeo < 1238724418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh! < 1238724695 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238725941 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about and talking about? < 1238725960 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yep, that and that are right. It's the really annoying and annoying way of being redundant and redundant.) < 1238726164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is neither clever nor clever < 1238726421 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238726465 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238726936 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be annoying if it were clever, now, would it? < 1238726946 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to ". . ., now, would it.") < 1238727061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might. i'm sure John Cleese could pull it off. < 1238727162 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727171 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238727322 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727326 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238727331 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727336 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238727345 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1238727693 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238728598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238729328 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238729544 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238730366 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1238730524 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238730616 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238736635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238739186 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238739361 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238745421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster always says "night" a couple of times, but never manages to actually go away. < 1238745599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238745600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238745602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238746057 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238748141 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238750529 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238751105 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238751762 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238751792 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238753219 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238755512 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238755775 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-31-26.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238756505 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238758907 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-225.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238760517 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-44.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238763893 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238764264 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238764365 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238765651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1238765653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238765670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addicted to irc < 1238765715 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238768488 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238769867 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, does cfunge 0.4.0 have been released officially? it seems kuonet.org works now but not updated. < 1238769929 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i thought http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/ is official page; but there is also sf.net project... < 1238770015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yes it works now, but I haven't had time to update it < 1238770019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do that shortly < 1238770030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to fix a broken backup script atm... < 1238770038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is way more important to me...) < 1238770047 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i should mention your sysinfo-multi-stack-sizes.b98 has a bug... ;) < 1238770062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details? < 1238770172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, ? < 1238770176 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238770192 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should recheck the issue... not sure yet < 1238770222 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought 2a*1+k$ should be 2a*k$ < 1238770230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, It may be wrong, I remember Deewiant and me discussing what was the right order to push the sizes of the stack-stacks in. < 1238770232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238770241 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, order is not a problem < 1238770253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, that is quite possible, it is a bit old and mycology used to misinterpret the specs for k < 1238770268 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 12 cells and 5 vectors to be pushed by y command before stack stack information... < 1238770277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody used to misinterpret the specs for k :-P < 1238770280 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1238770298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to change the way k was handled when Mike Riley showed up with a test suite that was written by C Pressy that handled it differently < 1238770312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.* < 1238770329 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the fact that you can never iterate only once wasn't exactly expected :-P < 1238770331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressey* < 1238770373 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, okay. 2a*k$ is correct, because y pushes 9 cells, 5 vectors, 2 cells, size of stack stacks and list of sizes of stack stacks. < 1238770392 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge-98 there are 9+5*2+2=21 cells before size of stack stacks so that should be 2a*k$ < 1238770396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so it was correct in new scheme? < 1238770400 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238770404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238770411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1238770453 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think i have to learn arithmetic again... :S) < 1238770471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238770501 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused when i miscounted that number of cells to be 22, not 21 < 1238770710 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-113-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238770727 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes he has another computer < 1238770987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, huh? < 1238771057 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- this computer < 1238771063 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop brokered < 1238771070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238771072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1238771099 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had access to a computer anyway, just couldn't irc that much < 1238771134 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this keyboard is kinda cool, it's been on the floor for about half a year, and i recently spilled a cup of coffee on it < 1238771136 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda sticky < 1238771153 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda nice < 1238771702 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1238771810 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238773773 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238777443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238777891 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-83-144.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238777950 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238777972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kdsusa.com/K2626mdhwb.asp < 1238778011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drooleritious < 1238778300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the pixel pitch is higher than this display < 1238778582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw, I don't know when you plan to update the mycology result page next, but locally efunge passes mycology now. It has a known bug with k over k, but so does CCBI < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: i works in text mode < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening mycotmp0.tmp... failed. < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to write to it with o... < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: writing to mycotmp0.tmp with o failed: can't test i in binary mode < 1238778592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1238778595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks odd < 1238778608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maintain that CCBI's behaviour is not a bug < 1238778612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, i is implemented but o isn't (and y says that correctly) < 1238778629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i/o related output seems kind of odd... < 1238778630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, which is why that isn't BAD. < 1238778646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the reason why it can't test o is not the right one though... < 1238778646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't be bothered to fix it properly so that it'd say 'UNDEF: o is not implemented' instead. < 1238778650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238778650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1238778651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it is. < 1238778663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries o and fails, and then it checks if it's supposed to work or not. < 1238778670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it still hard to insert extra code into mycology or? < 1238778684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you say you made that easier using { to set storage offset or something < 1238778685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That area is trickier than most since it's right next to where mycorand.bf is loaded < 1238778694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1238778704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can assume that {} work at that point either :-P < 1238778723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you can, you test that before you test y < 1238778730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not fatal if it fails < 1238778734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238778747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if it isn't fatal you can't assume it anywhere in mycology can you? < 1238778762 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only needed for fingerprints and I explicitly say somewhere that fingerprints shouldn't be tested until the core works < 1238778780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing implementing fingerprints into a broken interpreter anyway? :-P < 1238778815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it passes mycology, it can't be broken then can it? ;P < 1238778838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't directed at you, just a hypothetical < 1238778853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL, MODU, ROMA, CPLI and FIXP are implemented in efunge < 1238778862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes it also have the bounds bug < 1238778883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm currently working on it in cfunge, should have more time today < 1238779018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw efunge defines Erlang as it's host env. This is because erlang will set/change certain environment variables, such as $PATH < 1238779035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to work around that. < 1238779039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is documented in the README. < 1238779164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for example, on my system these are the changes made by the erlang runtime: http://rafb.net/p/DCezyl46.html < 1238779374 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238779827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, fixed the Hello! example on the DOBELA page and my interpreter runs it correctly \o/ < 1238779977 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1238780000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3792 bytes, I wonder if I can put the whole thing in 4 Kio < 1238780027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but 5 should be doable :-) < 1238780412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster, i just realised what gfx card i have in here < 1238780413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI Radeon X1600 < 1238780417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches AnMaster's seizure < 1238780557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an X1400 Mobility on my laptop < 1238780606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how well does it work under Linux when doing OpenGL heavy stuff? < 1238780607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall be getting a Radeon 4870 in this new box if everything goes to plan < 1238780618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, I haven't tried, but compiz works fine with it < 1238780663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 4870 in my current machine < 1238780667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hardware acceleration \o/ < 1238780670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what video mem/ < 1238780672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, sauna -> < 1238780677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 1 GB < 1238780680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1238780680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was thinking more about 3D games. For example Flightgear is so opengl heavy it has caused bugs to show up in certain nvidia driver versions too, some developer called it an opengl testsuite as a joke iirc < 1238780682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going for '2 GB ATI Radeon 4870 X2 PCI-Express x16 GDDR5' < 1238780694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can try glxgears if you want. < 1238780700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1238780707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that usually works okish < 1238780713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a joke < 1238780717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238780730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GB video memory heh < 1238780746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, why not. < 1238780749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers when 32 MB was a lot of video memory < 1238780760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I bet this machine could run Crysis. < 1238780766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crysis? < 1238780778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's an fps whose large system requirements are a meme < 1238780789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1238780817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum system requirements < 1238780817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Crytek and EA < 1238780818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS - Windows XP or Windows Vista < 1238780821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor - 2.8 GHz or faster (XP) or 3.2 GHz or faster* (Vista) < 1238780822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory - 1.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista) < 1238780824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video Card -256 MB** < 1238780826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard Drive - 12GB < 1238780829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the minimum < 1238780832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended System Requirements < 1238780832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Crytek and EA < 1238780835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS - Windows XP / Vista < 1238780836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor - Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ < 1238780838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory - 2.0 GB RAM < 1238780841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar < 1238780881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting how Vista needs a lot more for CPU and memory... < 1238780889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is the * and ** there? < 1238780900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Er, footnote thingies < 1238780913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, duh, I meant what does the footnotes say... < 1238780915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Supported Processors: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (3.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, Intel Core 2.0 GHz (2.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, AMD Athlon 2800+ (3200+ for Vista) or faster. < 1238780916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. < 1238780918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238780927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1238780935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think since system76 are in the ubuntu community etc there're probably good drivers for the cards < 1238780951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hopefully yes < 1238780961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they only ship in US and CA remember? < 1238780970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have friends in the u < 1238780970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238780980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who could ship it to me < 1238780980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ then there is the power supply voltage issue < 1238780993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can replace the power supply < 1238780997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you trust those friends not to keep it for themselves? < 1238781009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You have shitty friends. :-P < 1238781052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refrains from a reply that would lead to another ignore-from-both-side-war < 1238781054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be friends with someone who would steal a pc & money from me < 1238781065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shipping money) < 1238781141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume none of your friends is named Nobby then < 1238781142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238781178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a true statement. < 1238781178 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238781204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw those system requirements above, odd that the footnote for video card contains info about sound card drivers... < 1238781221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there was another line about the soundcard < 1238781222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a ** < 1238781225 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238781225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238781236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. Sparse copy < 1238781238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks stuff in the system76 forums < 1238781309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those minimum system requirements listed above does seem rather large, but only two are outrageous: XP/Vista for OS, and 12 GB for harddrive. < 1238781332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recommended ones seems outrageous too. < 1238781356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 12gb hd is standard these days < 1238781362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, games in 2003 were 5gb < 1238781385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well but presumably it means it will use 12 GB, not that it will fit on a 12 GB large harddrive that also contains vista... < 1238781414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238781417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238781444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you know, I think it would be a good thing to force everyone at EA to work with the demo scene for DOS for a few months, might bring the game size down a bit... < 1238781456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the demoscene < 1238781478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWeh9VQyP3E ← I can't believe they fit this into 64k in an amiga < 1238781502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are things to optimise stuff that a lot of people don't know. For example the cvs(!) checkout of the full data directory for flightgear is huge. Around 800 MB... < 1238781510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cvs < 1238781532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I managed to save 50 just by re-compressing all the png textures with advpng -z2 and optipng -i0 -o3 < 1238781542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the marketing site for the speakers http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/208&cl=roeu,en < 1238781550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated png files is a real issue these days :/ < 1238781565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/are/ < 1238781584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok. but what about: the issue of bloated png files is/are a real issue these days :/ < 1238781588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one to use then < 1238781589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's are < 1238781591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1238781592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1238781597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue of bloated png files is a real one these days < 1238781597 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0392.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238781602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238781610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the satellites look like traffic lights < 1238781617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there it is singular, but in the other case it is plural... < 1238781619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.logitech.com/repository/324/jpg/2325.1.0.jpg < 1238781624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing IMO < 1238781624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an issue is one thing < 1238781634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes true < 1238781636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but in "bloated png files" < 1238781645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're referring to multiple png files being the singular issue < 1238781652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it all be so much clear if we used S-Expressions to group it < 1238781664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ball/would all/ < 1238781670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/clear/clearer/ < 1238781735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is (issue (bloated (png-files))) (these-days (real issue))) < 1238781749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could just learn lojban instead < 1238781754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier < 1238781762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi'e .Eli,at.xrd. < 1238781763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1238781772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or maybe not < 1238781782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does it use , and . for? < 1238781790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, like, breaking and stuff < 1238781791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01 Aug 2007 11:28:46 xu mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238781799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does google translate do lojban < 1238781801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's "I say 'my name is Elliott Hird'" < 1238781801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1238781811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how did you work out that line there then? < 1238781816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asked someone who spoke it? < 1238781824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That was from #lojban when I was learning it < 1238781826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten it all now < 1238781841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm strange that names are changed like that < 1238781877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really; it's just like romanization. < 1238781880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean usually you write a French name in a Swedish or English text in it's original form and so on. Exception being other scripts being transcribed to the Latin charset < 1238781884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238781895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird -> xrd. ? < 1238781902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like: xu mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238781902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is: Did I say/Do I say "I am named Elliott Hird" < 1238781903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— me < 1238781906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x is like ch in bach < 1238781910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: make a programming language which looks like Lojban. < 1238781911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can't get it precis < 1238781911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238781918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can make a proglang which _is_ lojban < 1238781919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a yacc parser < 1238781921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238781925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1238781927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the official grammar < 1238781929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1238781931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238781935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lojban.org/publications/formal-grammars/grammar.300 < 1238781959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can a computer actually make sense of that syntax tree you get though? < 1238781974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It can't understand it like a human, obviously. < 1238781982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[it has selbri, which are like functions - they take a number of arguments ("places") and you can skip arguments with special words that move to different arguments]] -- me < 1238781995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's quite a close fit < 1238782019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mee cooskoo lohhoo meeheh Eleaht chrd lehhoo" < 1238782019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ch is like in Bach. < 1238782021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- me on pronounciation of mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238782038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lets say you tell it in lojban "go ahead", but wouldn't there be many different ways to express that? In English there certainly are, some depending on context. < 1238782050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's always multiple ways to express something. < 1238782057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to restrict that. < 1238782058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1238782082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The language is unambiguous -- but that doesn't mean what you say in it is. < 1238782088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure", "go ahead", "okay" could all mean the same thing to a human (depending on context, in certain contexts they would be rather different) < 1238782133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't know lojban, so maybe it has some way to handle this < 1238782135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238782144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1238782149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still tuned for human expression. < 1238782155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238782188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we are still far from the computer on Enterprise then :/ < 1238782212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the his first non-programming works—the GNU Manifesto—was a certifiable snore-fest, later adopted by a commercial enterprise, repackaged, and sold on the industrial pharmaceutical market as a sedative for invasive surgery. " < 1238782214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Stallman < 1238782259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, you said x was like ch in bach above, so "Hird" is pronounced like "chird"?? < 1238782274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it's pronounced like herd, but lojban has no equivalent sound. < 1238782277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch is as close as you can get. < 1238782278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i mistook the word < 1238782279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238782286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blowjban < 1238782298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you just reached a new low in coherency < 1238782299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grat < 1238782300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238782346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm.. it made kind of sense in a meta-sense kind of non-sense way < 1238782362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like the description for the last sqrt(-garfield) < 1238782374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be free pacemaker software like corebios < 1238782380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Become an early adopter! < 1238782380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of meta-sense I mean < 1238782389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, er, a "late" adopter. < 1238782393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *instant rimshot* < 1238782399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to get back to x: is there a strict connection between spelling and pronouncing then in lojban? < 1238782404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1238782411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think that is why we still don't use such languages < 1238782413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all letters are pronounced in exactly one way < 1238782417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is easier to learn < 1238782428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes the language a bit boring kind of < 1238782433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for many people < 1238782455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some quirks to make it feel like a real language. Otherwise it just feels very artificial < 1238782480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, I read 'colorforth.com update. SeaForth is dead. Chuck Moore is back.' < 1238782484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as 'Chuck Moore is dead' < 1238782487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I died a little insid < 1238782487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238782489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238782492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colorforth.com/ < 1238782500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "chuck moore" as "chuck norris" < 1238782501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1238782503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238782509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chuck norris codes forth with his bible < 1238782523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lov ehow he looks like he was just in a fight in this pic: http://colorforth.com/chuck.jpg < 1238782525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, soundforth? < 1238782530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how < 1238782536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name sounds interesting < 1238782540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238782548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 dimensional forth < 1238782551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ooh! < 1238782553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could have touchforth too... < 1238782555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4-d funge < 1238782558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses sound as the fourth d < 1238782563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to represent it that is < 1238782573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... fourth d? < 1238782579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238782587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "forth d" < 1238782593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1238782609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the u added it makes sense indeed < 1238782646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you encode it in sound? And how would you sync the ASCII file with this signal? < 1238782665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask oklopol_, he was writing a 4d pong where fourth d = sound < 1238782677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge uses form feed to increment the z dimension... < 1238782690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably know this) < 1238782691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238782734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, this 4D-with-sound pong sounds interesting. Can you elaborate on what this wound mean in practise? < 1238782757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was this recently or? < 1238782765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like ... early mid 2008? < 1238782769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1238782778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 8D pong, with sound and taste < 1238782794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6D < 1238782801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of your senses. psychics only < 1238782814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238782915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc you said your computer was almost silent? < 1238782924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: generally, yes < 1238782935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not for you and your mega ears < 1238782967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at what sort of usage does it's fans turn on? < 1238782984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compiling a small app? Compiling a large app? 3D games? < 1238782997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Compiling generally makes the fans run a lil', but not too noticable. < 1238783014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to get the fans to go high -- I've only had them on full when it measured wrong and put them on full blast by mistake. < 1238783020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Those two Radeon X2s will make it sound like a space rocket < 1238783028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, all the time? < 1238783034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm talking about my current rig < 1238783040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the best way would be to have the computer in one room then a terminal in a separate room < 1238783047 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, all the time. < 1238783052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: o_O Why? < 1238783061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Lisp Machines did that. < 1238783071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not exactly known as very quiet cards. :-P < 1238783098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen some laptops that are silent mostly when you use them, but run fan at full speed when you go compiling or run a simulation or such, and even with the fans on it runs very hot then.. < 1238783102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What actually makes the noise? I'm not a gfx-card-knowledgable kind of person. < 1238783122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sounds sucky, if they're gonna be loud all the time I'll have to ditch them :-( < 1238783128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an apple macbook (non-pro) did this to me about half a year ago, not the last model or such even back then... < 1238783146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fans. < 1238783160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And why does it need to run these fans all the time? < 1238783160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also seeking harddrives (some models) < 1238783164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fans are worse yes < 1238783164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It runs at around 60 degrees when idle, with the fans on. < 1238783172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what the fuck. < 1238783175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds shite. < 1238783178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1238783181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean f or c < 1238783198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm confusing the number with power usage in watts, actually < 1238783202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238783207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to check < 1238783216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my GPU came in two editions, one with fan and one without, sadly the one without was out of stock and I needed a replacement the same day (my old geforce 3 had finally given up. R.I.P.) < 1238783222 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the record I never use Fahrenheit. < 1238783250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60c is just ridiculous < 1238783252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, I was right, at least one review says 58 degrees when idle (22 db) < 1238783258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70-75 when active < 1238783262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wait, 22 db? Am I fucking hearing you right? < 1238783266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fucking ridiculous. < 1238783267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geforce 7600 btw, with the more extreme cards I assume it would be hard to make a fan-less edition < 1238783268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: When idle. < 1238783268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god. < 1238783271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: When active, 40ish. < 1238783286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And drawing about 200 Watts. < 1238783287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how hot is the CPU in your mac btw? < 1238783288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I should just buy a fan and put it on full right next to my ears. < 1238783289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1238783296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know I've never touched it :-P < 1238783299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, and btw. This wasn't an X2. < 1238783304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what was it < 1238783308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plain HD 4870. < 1238783311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like mine. < 1238783312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc macs have sensors, I even remember seeing some app on OS X showing it in a nice way < 1238783316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the program name < 1238783327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked when I tried it on that macbook at least... < 1238783328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The X2s will be worse, of course. Don't know by how much, though. < 1238783329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so why do people buy these things... < 1238783348 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: People who buy the latest and greatest graphics cards aren't generally looking for silent systems :-P < 1238783354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harumph. < 1238783372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the lowest end this comes with is a 512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3 < 1238783372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, speed, price, low noise level, choose two. < 1238783374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm satisfied with the quietness of mine < 1238783383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Speed & low noise level. What's the price? :-) < 1238783404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current machine makes less than half the noise of the previous one :-P < 1238783423 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did rip out the stock HD 4870 cooler though < 1238783474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can you watercool these things? ;-) < 1238783481 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, why not < 1238783487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so not going to try that. < 1238783489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never messed with non-air-cooling < 1238783499 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-63.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238783501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cost of whatever two rooms cost around where you live + one of those fancy terminal extender things from blackbox (seen in ads, with happy customers talking about how much better it is not having to have dust collecting computers in clean rooms or whatever, and "contact for price") + noisy computer + monitor + keyboard + mouse < 1238783527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lulz < 1238783544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CD drive at the same place as the terminal might be useful too, in case you are lazy it would be a requirement even < 1238783556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on how often you use CDs) < 1238783599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a pneumatic tube system to transport the CD to the drive < 1238783609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how loud would a '512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3' be < 1238783617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Beats me, google for reviews < 1238783619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, something like that listed on http://www.blackbox.com/Store/Results.aspx/KVM/n-4294964384/p-0 maybe < 1238783623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bah :-) < 1238783639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I only know about stuff I've considered buying :-P < 1238783646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :price doesn't seem _too_ bad in fact.. < 1238783678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wish you hadn't told me this, now I'm out of ideas :D < 1238783700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, idea: enormous external headsink. Imagine this: an external 3 kg headsink on the top of the computer case... < 1238783711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passive air cooling < 1238783712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238783724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why watercooling never comes standard < 1238783725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, I decided early on that I'd get approximately the best gfx card < 1238783737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I only really looked at the 4870 and the GeForce GTX 260/280 < 1238783750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because when things go bad they go really bad. That may be why water cooling is not very popular. < 1238783753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the former was 100€ or so cheaper so it was an easy decision :-P < 1238783756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong though... < 1238783763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yar, it's just that one airplane-noised computer was enough for a lifetime for me. < 1238783795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've had a lot of those, I think my current one is simultaneously the quietest and most powerful machine I've ever had, by far :-) < 1238783803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a failed fan is much less of a problem, computer will detect that it is overheating and then shut itself off at some point. A lot of modern computers do that at least. < 1238783819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Got a microphone with good enough quality to give an accurate picture of the loudness? :P < 1238783821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handled by mobo/bios or such < 1238783832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No microphone at all, sorry < 1238783849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep lake water cooling uses cold water pumped from the bottom of a lake as a heat sink for climate control systems^W^W^Wcomputers. < 1238783850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_lake_water_cooling < 1238783858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds... < 1238783902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, interesting, but is it used for computers? yet? < 1238783906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. :-P < 1238783910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238783911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't hear it at all when I've got earphones+music on, unless I explicitly try to listen for it < 1238783922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I don't do headphones [as yesterday] < 1238783941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke them, or what? ;-) < 1238783959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: can't think properly with them < 1238783999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to just turn sounds off and keep them on :-P < 1238784014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I find myself needing extra-effective thinking, that is < 1238784023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can actually hear the fans in my computer even with ear protectors (or whatever the name was). Though the ear protectors do help reduce it to a acceptable level... < 1238784035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1238784057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, computers suck. < 1238784102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, earphones refer specifically to earbuds, I didn't mean those < 1238784102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, about headphones, with no sound playing my headphones hardly reduce outside noise at all. But your does? < 1238784123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a bit, since they're circumaural < 1238784130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much though < 1238784131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, earbuds? is that before they become earflowers??? < 1238784138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238784146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, never even realized that < 1238784156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/IPod_Earbuds.JPG < 1238784270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... when I click that link I get a message from konq saying "Tjänsten "/home/anmaster/.local/share/applications/gimp.desktop" är felaktig.", weird.. < 1238784280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy pasting url works < 1238784282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tjänst? < 1238784285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :service < 1238784290 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I knew that. < 1238784296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you ask then? < 1238784300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238784301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1238784302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238784305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1238784313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it in time. < 1238784321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway about that pic... aha, those yeah < 1238784331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard the name "earbuds" for them before < 1238784340 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else? < 1238784349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard a English name I think < 1238784351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for them < 1238784356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238784375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, "earbuds" always fall out of my ears... < 1238784376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redtower.hu/kepek/upload/2008-09/sennheiser_hd555.jpg is what I've got < 1238784381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very irritating < 1238784383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earbuds or earphones < 1238784389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you didn't put them in deep enough < 1238784396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not getting uncomfortable ear damage they'll fall out < 1238784407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get uncomfortable ear damage and they still fall out < 1238784408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1238784411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have ones pretty like that except more shit < 1238784422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238784432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that explains it, I tried to not cause damage to myself I guess. < 1238784451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, AKG 240 Studio are my headphones, google for them < 1238784467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinued :D < 1238784469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238784470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,252,pid,252,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html < 1238784471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238784479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look funny < 1238784492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean? < 1238784496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ears are too small for headphones < 1238784496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238784498 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem a bit small: are those circumaural or supra-aural? < 1238784507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url looks funny I'd say, but the actual headphones? no < 1238784529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I would answer if I knew what "circumaural" or "supra-aural" meant... < 1238784551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Around ear" or "on top of ear" < 1238784573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, diameter for the round areas is approx. 10 cm < 1238784575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. does your entire ear fit inside them < 1238784621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd make them circumaural < 1238784623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is outer diameter of the padded area. inner diameter is ~6.5 cm < 1238784639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more, 6.75 probably < 1238784694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway they are comfortable and the sound is high quality, which is what I care about < 1238784739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to fit just around my ear < 1238784753 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite satisfied with Grado Labs SR60 < 1238784755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checked) < 1238784879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone remember that google shell thingy? < 1238784925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1238785052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ehird ? < 1238785058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1238785066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember that google shell thingy? < 1238785069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1238785074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not < 1238785076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goosh.org/ < 1238785088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needs javascript yes..) < 1238785173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238785180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1238785275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, but fun idea < 1238785285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very good implementation indeed < 1238785292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd semantics is broken for example < 1238785361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I just have speed, power and quietness :-P < 1238785365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND A FREAKING PONY. < 1238785424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because life sucks? < 1238785432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should unsuck. < 1238785447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid it may be stuck... < 1238786339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently Mausezahn is only available for Linux platforms. Please do NOT PORT Mausezahn to Windows!" < 1238786345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insecure much? < 1238786568 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238786950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1238787045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to pass a parameter list as a argument to a macro? example: I want a macro to declare a prototype (lets not discuss why right now), and I want to do something like #define MAKEPROTO(funcname, rettype, arguments) rettype someprefix ## funcname (arguments) < 1238787065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this sounds like something you may know? < 1238787068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi btw ais523 < 1238787093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in C99, yes < 1238787117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a __VA_ARGS__ keyword < 1238787122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah nice, yes I'm doing C99 atm in fact (and yes I still have a reason to do prototypes in a strange way) < 1238787123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not sure about those trailing underscores < 1238787128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1238787143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a gcc extension, ,##__VA_ARGS__ < 1238787159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which removes the comma immediately before the variable arg list if there are no variable arguments < 1238787190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional C89 trick, by the way, is to use an extra pair of parens < 1238787202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define MAKEPROTO(funcname, rettype, arguments) rettype someprefix ## funcname arguments < 1238787211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always enclose the arguments in a second pair of parens when passing them to the macro < 1238787214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that may work fine < 1238787223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in MAKEPROTO(main, int, (int argc, char** argv)) < 1238787236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for why: If it was C++ this would have been templates... < 1238787257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not make it C++? ;-P < 1238787289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'll let you figure that out yourself... < 1238787808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ... < 1238787813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(m_rettype, m_funcname, m_args, m_attrs) \ < 1238787813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m_attrs m_rettype cf_mempool_ ## CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT ## m_funcname m_args < 1238787820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it expand CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT I wonder... < 1238787828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is defined before calling the macro < 1238787831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros aren't recursive < 1238787834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though after the macro was defined < 1238787847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how is that relevant? < 1238787849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238787863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean they're not expanded recursively < 1238787883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how to get it to work? hm < 1238787883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents of the macro aren't rechecked to see if they contain another macro < 1238787887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(m_rettype, m_funcname, m_args, m_attrs) \ < 1238787887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m_attrs m_rettype cf_mempool_ ## CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT ## m_funcname m_args < 1238787888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238787889 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1238787899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(bool, setup, (void), FUNGE_ATTR_FAST) < 1238787910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I see hm < 1238788143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, they are < 1238788144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that < 1238788146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll turn into < 1238788153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANTm_funcnam < 1238788154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238788158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a defined macro name < 1238788161 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What, they are? < 1238788168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: of course < 1238788171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you can call a macro in a macro < 1238788263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the expansion was done at #define time which'd have been why define FOO BAR and BAR FOO doesn't loop infinitely < 1238788267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But evidently not < 1238788338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's recursion detection < 1238788346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even more complex when ## is involved < 1238788353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## has some weird rules with respect to macros < 1238788370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, Home of the Underdogs is down < 1238788454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so why does it turn into cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANTm_funcnam < 1238788463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because that's how ## works. < 1238788466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238788467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1238788474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: pass ing CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT as an argument to that macro < 1238788479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ing// < 1238788485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Deewiant/AnMaster/ < 1238788491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did I do there? < 1238788501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that should work < 1238788514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the ## is happening before the #define expansion < 1238788534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1238788559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it helps to have the standard in front of you: if you search for n1124.pdf, you'll get one of the drafts proposed as an expansion to C99 < 1238788568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains all the C99 stuff you need to care about < 1238788584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drafts are available for free even though the standard itself isn't < 1238788597 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238788602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have C99:TC3 (that is C99 + proposed bug fixes iirc) < 1238788614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1238788698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to pass it to the top macro even it seems < 1238788759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was using another macro calling the first one to define the various types, then calling that macro several times for the different variants < 1238788929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘*’ token < 1238788930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238788958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1238788977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(missing "struct") < 1238789344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how mad would you say that including an internal header twice but with different defines to create two different implementations is? < 1238789372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's mad or not, I know I've done it lots of times but I think I'm mad too < 1238789376 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238789438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carchive works using a program that recursively includes itself with different defines < 1238789483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carchive? < 1238789500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a program that inputs a set of files < 1238789507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creates a C program that reconstructs them < 1238789524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a self-extracting archive program, just in portable C rather than as a Windows .exe < 1238789534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it a while back, I've never used it < 1238789599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238789630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to use it to distribute C-INTERCAL < 1238789640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pax is better for that, and besides carchive doesn't handle directories < 1238789904 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol_, this 4D-with-sound pong sounds interesting. Can you elaborate on what this wound mean in practise? <<< basically curveball, but also a fourth dimension in color and sound. < 1238789958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, how would the sounds bit work (from a user perspective)? < 1238789983 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so usually you'd try to stay in the same position as the ball until it turns your color and the sound has the correct pitch < 1238789988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would I sing to control the position of the paddle in the 4th dimension or what? < 1238789999 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no two joysticks or smth < 1238790004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238790091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, what do you mean same position as the ball? And what is "curveball"? When I google I get stuff related to baseball hm. < 1238790103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=curveball < 1238790113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so it is the baseball one then? < 1238790118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top one is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/curveball < 1238790119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I just said duh < 1238790133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not here. Here top one is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball < 1238790135 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curveball is a flash game, and same position means you'd stay in the same 3d coords as the ball, in the cube < 1238790146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also I don't have flash as you know < 1238790148 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, then there's 4d rotation of the cube.... < 1238790153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Actually I didn't know < 1238790171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I did but I didn't consider it important enough to remember < 1238790181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh, ehird claims I mentioned it millions of times before every time I mention it. < 1238790192 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check out the tesseract rotation animations on wikipedia < 1238790194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought "lets avoid that for once" < 1238790286 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not having flash an ideology issue, or why should people assume you're never going to take the 3 minutes it takes to install it? < 1238790357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: partly ideology, partly security (it's the biggest cross-platform security hole in existence), and often people have a system it doesn't work on < 1238790376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not having Flash is really useful, do you have any idea how annoying Flash is? < 1238790394 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i asked a prof if they'd organize an exam on schaum's mathematical handbook, and they were like all philosophical "hmm interesting idea, if done right... but no, of course not" < 1238790510 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider flash the cornerstone of internet, internet is mostly used to browse for flash content, then using it. < 1238790589 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'd have to be a *nix user to know why it's annoying < 1238790601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238790607 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke is i am, this is my ubu machine) < 1238790699 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should stop my mindless rambling and read about vector spaces < 1238790734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238790744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge_mempool_priv.h:90: warning: no previous prototype for ‘cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT_setup’ < 1238790745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1238790752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238790753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "cfunge_mempool_priv.h" < 1238790769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm calling a macro like: < 1238790771 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and drink the rest of my beers) < 1238790774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bool CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(setup, CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT) (void) < 1238790788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you need two layers of indirection < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macro is defined like: < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(m_funcname, m_variant) \ < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cf_mempool_ ## m_variant ## _ ## m_funcname < 1238790801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hmm... < 1238790808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want #define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(m_funcname, m_variant) CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC1(m_funcname, m_variant) < 1238790815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that? < 1238790816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the new value in FUNC1 < 1238790828 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it alcoholism when you can't finish your beers and therefor need to drink for multiple weekends on end? < 1238790834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: I don't know < 1238790836 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*therefore < 1238790874 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can generalize that and answer for another activity < 1238790888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: weirdness with ## and macros < 1238790900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238790913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the double macro thing was needed for # only < 1238791088 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-2.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238792747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you use macros inside typedefs? < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct CF_GHT_STRUCT(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key) { < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CF_GHT_KEY p_key; /**< The key. */ < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} CF_GHT_NAME(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key_t); < 1238792760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives: < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/ght_hash_table_priv.h(5): error: expected a ")" < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : typedef struct CF_GHT_STRUCT(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key) { < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1238792768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from icc < 1238792770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1238792775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/ght_hash_table_priv.h:5: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘,’ token < 1238792777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from gcc < 1238792784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wondering why... < 1238792804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you run gcc -E? < 1238792808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cpp or whatever < 1238792813 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238792819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: typedefs are compile-time, macros are preprocess-time, they don't interact < 1238792826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1238792852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not yet, because for this file I need to pass lots of -I and so on, will do that next < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct CF_LIBGHT_NAME_INTERN(s_, fspace, hash_key) { < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungeSpaceHashKey p_key; < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} CF_LIBGHT_NAME_INTERN(ght_, fspace, hash_key_t); < 1238792872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1238792876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238792878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the preprocessed result < 1238792889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a typo in the macro name < 1238792890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238792935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc went mad < 1238792939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line numbers are all wrong < 1238792943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/hash_functions_priv.h:97: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘ght_hash_key_t’ < 1238792948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line is inside a comment... < 1238792957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238792983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#line somewhere? < 1238793027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well probably, the actual error was 5 lines away < 1238793313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who wants to know how I fixed synta < 1238793313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1238793336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, syntax of what? < 1238793342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax < 1238793382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "syntax" in this case? The name of some language or what? < 1238793408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax < 1238793804 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest94576 < 1238793861 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes tell me!" < 1238793891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england < 1238793897 0 :Guest94576!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :M0ny < 1238793909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems President Obama gave an iPod with music on to the Queen of England < 1238793916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody's entirely sure if that's legal or not < 1238793924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to copyright law being so broken < 1238793934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sue Obama!!!11one < 1238793971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all that's been deduced so far is that the Queen didn't break UK law as a result, because she's the Queen and can do what she wants < 1238793981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238794025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite like the idea of a legal system where that 'because' always applies but in this case I'm amused < 1238794038 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here an expert on vector spaces or should i just highlight oerjan < 1238794054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with your question and then highlight oerjan < 1238794060 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not a bad idea < 1238794065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, if nobody answers within a few minutes < 1238794073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the ability of the Queen to do whatever she wants has never been repealed < 1238794079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, you already highlighted oerjan, except that he's not here < 1238794081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, oerjan doesn't seem to be here, so you're screwed anyway < 1238794082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she can't introduce new laws, just reject the ones Parliament came up with < 1238794124 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering could there be an infinite vector space for which there is no linearly independent subset which generates the space < 1238794155 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just proved for finite vector spaces that there's always such a set < 1238794158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuition says 'no' < 1238794167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess with the AoC anything can happen ;-P < 1238794245 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes intuition says no, i just don't feel like proving it myself so i was hoping for a shortcut < 1238794260 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just notational convenience it's only proved for finites < 1238794275 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238794277 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1238794295 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generation" means linear combinations of *finite* subsets at a time < 1238794322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1238794343 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there are linearly dependent vectors used to generate a vector in the space, then you could just use the other vectors they are linearly dependent with < 1238794368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an infinite number of combinations... I don't see why generation would be impossible < 1238794403 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh waiyt < 1238794404 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1238794431 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about a *maximal* generating subset < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27 ais523: Deewiant: the ability of the Queen to do whatever she wants has never been repealed < 1238794504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yerk, seriously? < 1238794509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to become queen then kill everyone. < 1238794514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238794520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: htf are you going to become Queen? < 1238794526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SHUT UP < 1238794543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a time machine < 1238794549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a serial cable connected to reality < 1238794552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238794562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a time machine is sufficient to be able to do anything anyway, you don't have to be the Queen as well < 1238794565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest something with more bandwidth < 1238794580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriting reality over a serial cable is likely to take a long time < 1238794585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that's why you need the time machine < 1238794603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, are you sure? I mean, you can go and change everything by going back a few million years < 1238794608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you make subtle changes just because you're there? < 1238794613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : having a time machine is sufficient to be able to do anything anyway, you don't have to be the Queen as well <-- only if you have the Ultimate Edition of it. < 1238794616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a given < 1238794645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's not much sense in talking about time machines unless you've defined the rules under which they operate < 1238794657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that in the real world, there are no such rules since they don't operate. :-P < 1238794660 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even if you've defined the rules < 1238794676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a matter of opinion. < 1238794679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: time travel's been proven to be impossible? < 1238794688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when < 1238794697 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: true. < 1238794730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Assumed impossible until proven possible. < 1238794733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " That's a matter of opinion." < 1238794765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, well, that's a rather ridiculous view to take, it's not like there's no viable theories under which time travel is possible < 1238794769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(the UK, after all, lacks a fair use doctrine)" o_O < 1238794837 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no viable theories under which time travel is possible. < 1238794839 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Viable? Do tell < 1238794848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It should be noted that I'm talking shit. < 1238794856 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238794859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know that I do that all the time by now. < 1238794860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duly noted. < 1238794882 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i decide to believe you < 1238794890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[yeah I'm the first poo that can talk isn't that amazing] < 1238794893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ comedy < 1238794900 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxXXD < 1238794902 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time you say something interesting, I'll tell you you're full of shit and you can't refute me. < 1238794939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are _you_ an instance of feces that can audibly communicate? no? then shut up. < 1238794948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1238794953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an 'instance of faeces' < 1238794966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like a crock? < 1238794972 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to south park the first talking poo was bono < 1238794978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be all hoi polloi about it, Deewiant, sure. < 1238794987 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: ++ < 1238795006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah, a sophisticated piece of shit. < 1238795057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In December 1982, an 8-year-old boy, Jeffrey R. Yee, supposedly received a letter from U.S. President Ronald Reagan congratulating him on a worldwide record of 6,131,940 points, a score only possible if the player has passed the Split-Screen Level.[16] Whether or not this event happened as described has remained in heated debate among video-game circles since its supposed occurrence. In September 1983, Walter Day, chief scorekeeper at Twin Galaxies, took < 1238795060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the US National Video Game Team on a tour of the East Coast to visit video game players who claimed they could get through the Split-Screen. No video game player could demonstrate this ability. In 1999, Billy Mitchell offered $100,000 to anyone who could provably pass through the Split-Screen Level before January 1, 2000; the prize went unclaimed.[16] < 1238795064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ why don't they just make an ai to play it < 1238795066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1238795081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game is that? < 1238795085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pac-Man < 1238795092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238795097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the split-screen level? < 1238795100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there seriously a special "Split-Screen" level? < 1238795104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1238795106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Split_Screen_in_Pac_Man.gif < 1238795108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 256 < 1238795109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens when the level counter rolls over < 1238795113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :land of corrupted memory < 1238795120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 256th split-screen level can not be completed because of a software bug. " < 1238795121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it wasn't deliberate? < 1238795126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR CAN IT ? ? ? < 1238795130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238795143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pac-Man technically has no ending—as long as the player keeps at least one life, they should be able to continue playing indefinitely. However, because of a bug in the routine that draws the fruit, the right side of the 256th level becomes a garbled mess of text and symbols, rendering the level impossible to pass by legitimate means. Normally, no more than seven fruits are displayed at any one time, but when the internal level counter (stored in a sing < 1238795146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le byte) reaches 255, the subroutine erroneously causes this value to "roll over" to zero before drawing the fruit. This causes the routine to attempt to draw 256 fruits, which corrupts the bottom of the screen and the whole right half of the maze with seemingly random symbols.[14] < 1238795153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want two hundred and fifty six fruits. < 1238795159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238795169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as well as allowing players to see what would happen if the 256th level is cleared (the game loops back to the first level, causing fruits and intermissions to display as before, but with the ghosts retaining their higher speed and invulnerability to power pellets from the later stages)" < 1238795171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooring < 1238795203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite claims that someone with enough knowledge of the maze pattern could play through the level, it is technically impossible to complete since the graphical corruption eliminates most of the dots on the right half of the maze. A few edible dots are scattered in the corrupted area, and these dots reset when the player loses a life (unlike in the uncorrupted areas), but these are insufficient to complete the level" < 1238795205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why is this so lame < 1238795216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something like that memory-corruption tron thing < 1238795219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugs aren't usually particularly exciting < 1238795244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone link to that tron thing, ais523? < 1238795257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know it < 1238795306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes you do, it was that thing on an old console where they made a lightcycle game and the AI shot the wall < 1238795311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping the split screen would be something like two pacman games with one set of controls < 1238795314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started shooting corrupted memory < 1238795316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? < 1238795319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no I don't < 1238795328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< You said it was great when I linked it ages ago < 1238795329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never knew, stop trying to claim I knew something when I didn't < 1238795357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did know you've just forgotten because when I find the links I'll prove it via the logs :-P < 1238795457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, possibly the stupidest image on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Win3x_Black_Screen_of_Death.gif < 1238795478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Screenshot in Virtual PC." :-) < 1238795498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, it's an /animated/ screenshot < 1238795501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a gif animation, yes. < 1238795502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice the blinking cursor? < 1238795511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure an animated screenshot makes sense < 1238795668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for that, it'd be truly pointless < 1238795718 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not art then *i'm* not art. < 1238795803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1238795806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's art, alright < 1238795810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to play frogger now < 1238795847 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also turns out it's a proof in algebra II that infinite spaces always have an independent basis too < 1238795879 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wonderful < 1238795888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238795951 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "basic algebra 2" < 1238796023 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna get to "algebra" in years < 1238796333 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that the number 13 has magical being-close-to-100-when-multiplied-by-8 powers < 1238796352 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238796354 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your output: < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected: < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1238796379 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[\r\n]-issue? < 1238796384 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Propably < 1238796398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trailing spaces < 1238796404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or those spaces differ < 1238796427 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt latter < 1238796434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I, but it's possible < 1238796436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no < 1238796442 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1238796443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf strips whitespace < 1238796447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so wutz the code? < 1238796448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuts up < 1238796449 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like non-ASCII characters all that much. < 1238796449 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1238796451 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh anagolf < 1238796457 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rights < 1238796467 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are you supposed to print \n or not? < 1238796476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our automagical-checkery programming homeworks was "do matrix inversion in C++", and the results-checker checked for exact match, so you had to perform all the operations in exactly the right order, to get the floating-point inaccuracies done the same way. < 1238796478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it doesnt matter < 1238796479 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips whitespace i hear < 1238796479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stripped < 1238796481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your code < 1238796483 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmh < 1238796496 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my Befunge should be correct < 1238796511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: show it < 1238796515 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%hpvs{$0sppiL"v < 1238796515 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<<<<,-4_@#:<<< < 1238796518 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...show it? < 1238796526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how is that short < 1238796527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1238796530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1238796531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1238796532 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1238796540 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nick errorance < 1238796546 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couln't think of anything shorter < 1238796555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: o_o < 1238796559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238796568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:08 FireFly: "%hpvs{$0sppiL"v < 1238796569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:08 FireFly: <<<<<<,-4_@#:<<< < 1238796573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to golf hello world < 1238796578 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1238796581 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry :( < 1238796586 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw < 1238796587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238796596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a"!dlrow ,olleH"dk,@ < 1238796600 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the letters "H", "e" etc. in the source < 1238796602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's shorter isn't it :-P < 1238796602 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1238796613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helloworldless Hello world" < 1238796613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238796627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do 1+ before outpu < 1238796628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238796632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and subtract one from the chars < 1238796632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we < 1238796636 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1238796640 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a similar idea < 1238796641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No newline in that < 1238796648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4- is just as good as 1+. < 1238796649 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -1 doesn't work < 1238796662 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not +1 either IIRC < 1238796669 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. you get chars that are forbitten < 1238796676 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as e -> d < 1238796686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forbidden* < 1238796695 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err aren't there 16 numbers in befunge < 1238796704 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 31 possibilities < 1238796727 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch one of them doesn't have the illegal chars < 1238796731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: e and d are numbers in hello world < 1238796737 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and -4 works for me < 1238796739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, if that 4- in the code works, I don't see why it matters which one you pick. < 1238796741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"e and d are numbers" < 1238796744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only have 14 working numbers < 1238796744 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err right < 1238796749 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm an idiot < 1238796750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1238796755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: we're talking about Befunge-98 < 1238796761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses hex digits < 1238796768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, e and d are indeed numbers < 1238796769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in a string < 1238796780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the aim's to write a helloworldless hello world < 1238796781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characters are also numbers FWIW < 1238796784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238796795 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right didn't even read the source, assumed ehird readit :P < 1238796797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And you can't put "d+" in code either, since, you know, it's a d. < 1238796798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the letters e and d are not numbers :P < 1238796799 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read it < 1238796823 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are e and d not numbers < 1238796835 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like 5 and 2 aren't numbers? < 1238796861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is approximately 2.718281828. < 1238796874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e (hex) = 14 (decimal) < 1238796878 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and d is 13 < 1238796887 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know hex, fizzie < 1238796899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: Why are you telling me this? I'm not teaching you hex. < 1238796904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently apart from ehird < 1238796911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this < 1238796914 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did we make the same joke? < 1238796915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said e in a string < 1238796919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a letter there < 1238796921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context dammit < 1238796933 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you just not get it was making one < 1238796957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: I thought you might, but that's the problem with randomness: you can never be sure. < 1238796990 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, IMO my code should validate < 1238796992 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can indeed never be sure; doesn't mean you don't have to guess correctly < 1238797188 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238798092 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238798356 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238798528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw exact bounds will be a compile time option for cfunge < 1238798529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238798575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you can have incorrect y output but faster speed? < 1238798624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, most programs doesn't depend on the bounds shrinking when space is written < 1238798642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even though it isn't complete yet it already slows down execution... < 1238798655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without bounds: real 0m0.036s < 1238798669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, with old bounds that never shrink < 1238798682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with partly implemented exact bounds: real 0m0.046s < 1238798701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average of 20 runs < 1238798740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with an initial run before to reduce "not in memory cache"-effect) < 1238798777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also redirecting output to /dev/null to reduce factors such as terminal < 1238798785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238798835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(output to terminal adds about 0.020 in fully buffered mode, and 0.050 in the default line buffered mode) < 1238798837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Å < 1238798844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Å/^/ < 1238798859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1238798975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, Google INTERCAL style guide back up < 1238798987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have a local copy from google cache saved here < 1238798990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where? < 1238798991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238798996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same place as before < 1238799000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238799011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cadie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/INTERCAL-style-guide.html < 1238799030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grabbed a copy from the live.com cache, it wasn't in the Google or Yahoo caches for some reason when I checked < 1238799032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ <-- ? < 1238799044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they seem to be the same website < 1238799049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1238799062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one's just the one that mentions INTERCAL whenever you ask it a question < 1238799116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't < 1238799120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE is getting tired of your simple requests. Please request something more challenging." < 1238799126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time yes < 1238799127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not always, just usually < 1238799145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, much of that INTERCAL style guide is in fact very sane < 1238799151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the decisions are justified well < 1238799157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bit-shifting code necessary for your request would actually be easier to do in INTERCAL. Have you considered changing languages?" < 1238799157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238799177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the person who wrote that actualy knew enough INTERCAL to make that statement < 1238799193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit-shifting is one of the only things which is actually occasionally easier in INTERCAL < 1238799197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a few cases < 1238799197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some responses contain embedded intercal even < 1238799207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long to paste here < 1238799209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1238799213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste it anyway, pastebin if necessary < 1238799237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I just got some < 1238799252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/tNy0hj51.html < 1238799252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO :3 <- '"'"'"'".1$':1~#32768'"~"#1109$#1"'$':1~#128'"~#2735'$':1~"#546$#0"'"~"#43679"'$':1~"#1365$#0"'"~"#1023$#63"'$'"'"'".1$#0"~#34959'$':1~"#0$#1170"'"~#11007'$':1~"#0$#2925"'"~"#2005$#255"' < 1238799254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some < 1238799262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's yet another one < 1238799268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the message connected to it? < 1238799272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for which language < 1238799281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JavaScript is obsolete and inefficient. CADIE thinks you should use INTERCAL.", and you can guess the language < 1238799289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seriously, get back to work." <-- haha < 1238799294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't yet another, that one's in your paste < 1238799315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that big expression, let me run it through C-INTERCAL's expression explainer < 1238799321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to the work by Joris, it's quite good now < 1238799329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :