< 1238630426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what foo would do in void context, but it's probably optimized out < 1238630571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl on CADIE: < 1238630572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:02 sproingie: mmmKAY < 1238630576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah wut eva" < 1238630588 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238630600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1238630600 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl people don't care for CADIE? < 1238630608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1238630615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: one perl person finds it stupid, I think is more accurate < 1238630615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems that Slashdot achievements are here to stay < 1238630627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: achivements? < 1238630635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what was /.'s ap foos? < 1238630643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there were several < 1238630647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but achievements were their on-site things < 1238630654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a concept taken from MMOs < 1238630665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slashdot.org/~ais523/achievements probably explains it better than I could, anyway < 1238630672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1238630676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be not real < 1238630696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 sproingie: my attention span isn't letting me read the texty bits < 1238630696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 sproingie: "on april 1 2009, skynet achieved consciousness. and decided it liked pandas" < 1238630702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: sproingie has severe ADHD. < 1238630704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Slashdot, you never know < 1238630710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is obnoxious. < 1238630715 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Contradictor < 1238630721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so nothing I didn't know. #perl is not that much of a good channel. < 1238630725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: for putting a negative tag on something < 1238630731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them are really easy, it seems < 1238630743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people will try to get as many as possible? < 1238630767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.php.net/php.internals/41374/uq ← Wow, php guys have a good april fools for once < 1238630792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that one's genuine < 1238630794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the daet < 1238630795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*date < 1238630798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHOOSH! < 1238630800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known about it for a while, anyway < 1238630813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a gale-force wind trying to go over your head but knocking you over instead. < 1238630975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have that perl script that moves the window around in waves? < 1238631017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09 Limbic_Region: sparc - no, you should be prematurely worrying about optimization < 1238631024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238631074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow at the other choices they considered for namespace separators < 1238631077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) was one of them < 1238631080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238631090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP:)Is:)Awesome < 1238631107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:18] <@CelloG> i.e. foo::bar might be a short name - class foo, method bar, but it could also be a long name, function foo::bar < 1238631108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:25] <@CelloG> and the engine just assumes it is a short name < 1238631109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:36] <@CelloG> and that is why :: is fatally flawed as a separator < 1238631113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR IMPLEMENTATION SUCKS < 1238631147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see the problem, namespaces and classes are separate in PHP < 1238631176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, Perl used to use ' as a namespace separator < 1238631182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really fun < 1238631185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! < 1238631189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1238631189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's still accepted for backwards compatibility < 1238631193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although :: is more usual < 1238631265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl < 1238631267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Language'INTERCAL'Parser < 1238631274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then youc an do < 1238631280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language'INTERCAL'Parser->new()? < 1238631285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _______________________________________________ < < 1238631288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1238631290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1238631308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl < 1238631309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Language'INTERCAL'Parser; < 1238631311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $x = Language'INTERCAL'Parser->new(); < 1238631312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: new Language::INTERCAL::Parser(SYMBOLTABLE) at - line 2 < 1238631314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last line is perl's output < 1238631329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL still uses ' to extract metadata from things < 1238631332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also as a cast operator < 1238631361 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238631372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : write (l, String'("Hello world!")); < 1238631378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- a line from the standard VHDL hello world < 1238631461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1238631488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and /also/ to delimit characters < 1238631510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other use is, for instance a'lower to get the lower bound of array a < 1238631514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a lot of research, I discovered the third one was in < 1238631514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact Baudot (the INTERCAL variety, I believe) < 1238631517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wtf < 1238631522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come coppro knows everything? < 1238631535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's secretly CADIE < 1238631548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only Baudot encoder/decoder I know of is the one that comes with C-INTERCAL < 1238631556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and CLC-INTERCAL itself, ofc < 1238631567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 19th-century encoding, after all < 1238631667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that Baudot was a polygolt < 1238631669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polyglot < 1238631677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the traditional and INTERCAL versions < 1238631687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have one when you can have both? < 1238631716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, do you know coppro, perchanc? < 1238631716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238631719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems likely < 1238631725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not outside Agora < 1238631826 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238631852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cadie's committed suicide or something. < 1238631871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they switched her off < 1238631881 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to google.co.uk to check on the ehird version of CADIE < 1238631894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... google's pretty slow atm < 1238631897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: I am the only brit < 1238631940 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there are seven Brits. ehird is one, and the six others make up the entirety of the BBC. < 1238631956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: they just swap costumes a lot? < 1238631963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where will i work when I grow up? The BBC? < 1238631974 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1238631980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238631991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: seven brits is more than the 3 finns < 1238631998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of which 5 or 6 are in here; I forget < 1238631998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238632036 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm mistaken. There are seven people at the BBC, but one isn't officially a member; she just joins them whenever they need an attractive female, because all the actual BBC members are male. < 1238632080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Con: INTERCAL extensions such as threading and operator overloading are non-standard and poorly tested, and may therefore have broad unforeseen side effects. < 1238632082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro: INTERCAL extensions such as threading and operator overloading are non-standard and poorly tested, and may therefore have broad unforeseen side effects. < 1238632084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that style guide < 1238632094 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one of the BBC members is dead. < 1238632114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: am I ehird, or am I at the BBC? < 1238632128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not ehird, that would be worrying < 1238632133 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: chances are you're at the BBC. < 1238632138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry you had to find out this way < 1238632140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the unifier < 1238632143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're both me, and at the BBC < 1238632150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to keep the two realities in bind < 1238632159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, subatomic reality glue < 1238632180 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the female. < 1238632205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you measure the female over time she turns out to be indistinguishable to me at micro levels < 1238632210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though we are separate at the macro levels < 1238632211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you take turns playing the Doctor? < 1238632229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/04/brand-new-language-on-google-app-engine.html < 1238632234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN 77 on app engine < 1238632270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to CADIE, ofc < 1238632327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to mail them punch cards to submit the code, though < 1238632354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Checking the HTTP header for google.com today, you will find it’s run by “ELIZA”, “WOPR”, “IIS/3.0”, “Google Operating System (BETA)” or similar... perhaps depending on the time you’re checking" < 1238632355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238632373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IIS is very worrying < 1238632416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google’s image album software Picasa now comes with a special “Auto Red Eye” functionality for version 4.1 (it turns normal eyes into red eyes). I was only able to see this on the Picasa homepage when using a US proxy. " < 1238632446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added an option to google code search to search for programs in lolcode < 1238632455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238632458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already said < 1238632465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IIS? < 1238632472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Microsoft's webserver < 1238632480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh! < 1238632494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losing out quite badly to Apache in terms of market share < 1238632565 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238632606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get started as a designer of programming languages? < 1238632606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Iverson showed me APL in 1969 when I was 11. < 1238632612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Kx systems (K developers) ceo < 1238632645 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did APL invent the term "programming language"? < 1238632650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1238632678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: that's a seriously great question < 1238632684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never even thought in those terms before < 1238632690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a pity the answer is no, actually < 1238632740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/04/01/deluge_of_browser_security_issues_drives_mass_migration.html < 1238632745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-lynx browsers are dead, Netcraft confirms it. < 1238632758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcraft did indeed confirm it < 1238632762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does that make it true? < 1238632769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask any Slashdot troll! < 1238632782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that stuff about encoding shellcode into smileys, is it definitely known to be false? < 1238632794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238632794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1238632795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it could be true, although would look suspicious < 1238632808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cr0.org/2009/04/massive-exploitation-of-instant.html < 1238632818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1238632818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, actually getting the smileys to run would be harder < 1238632821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously false < 1238632827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cr0.org/misc/smile.rb < 1238632833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF pl indeed. < 1238632841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it just makes shellcode look like smilies < 1238632843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't run i < 1238632843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238632861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238632883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the resulting smilies aren't executable < 1238632892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiley steganography < smiley/shellcode polyglots < 1238632900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() {:| :&} < 1238632904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three smilies. < 1238632917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() {:| :&} ;: < 1238632922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three smilies and ... something. < 1238632924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's referred to as the killer smiley sometimes < 1238632928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1238632929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{:| < 1238632931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::&} < 1238632933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;: < 1238632935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beautiful. < 1238632942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one's someone with glasses, winking < 1238632950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238632969 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small glasses that are below the eyes? < 1238632969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erste said that while the bank is dedicated to providing an accessible online banking experience, some customers still report difficulties when trying to make HTTPS requests through Telnet without the aid of an extended keyboard layout. < 1238632983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: "four-eyes" is a common nickname for glasses-wearers < 1238632986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bolster Lynx's growing footprint in the browser market, Netcraft has released the Netcraft Toolbar for Lynx. This free add-on blends in at the top of every web page, and not only protects Lynx users against phishing attacks, but the beautiful text-based rendition of the Netcraft logo is sure to brighten anyone's day. < 1238632987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha < 1238632991 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1238632996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/04/01/netcraft-toolbar-for-lynx-resized.png < 1238633006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I tried using Lynx to access a bank website earlier today < 1238633009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked pretty well < 1238633017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Lynx is so garish and hard to control, I preger w3m I think < 1238633020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prefer < 1238633033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the first text browser you use is the one that you stick with for life < 1238633067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m is sort of "gnu lynx" < 1238633082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it certainly has too many features < 1238633085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has tabbed browsin < 1238633088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*browsing < 1238633095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is hilariously funny, despite being useful < 1238633133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real pain is links, really — you want to click links with a mouse because they're suited for that sort of addressing < 1238633146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works in w2m < 1238633148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*w3m < 1238633152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1238633156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a sufficiently bloated terminal. < 1238633158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses some sort of terminal mouse-click layer < 1238633164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work in urxvt? that terminal is excellent < 1238633165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have to click twice I think < 1238633176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim lets you move the cursor with one click < 1238633178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with :set cursor < 1238633181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know, I've only tried in gnome-terminal < 1238633193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: same with w3m, one click moves the cursor, the second follows the link < 1238633224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'moves the cursor'? < 1238633232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, w3m lets you move around text for no reason whatsoever < 1238633242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easier than trying to use Lynx < 1238633254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I'm used to using the keyboard as a mouse < 1238633281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pretentious mouse user < 1238633325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretention levels: hunt and peck keyboarder and mouser < keyboard-only hardcore 1337 h4ck3r < person who uses keyboard for typing and mouse for precise, vague and absolute addressing < 1238633329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretension < 1238633359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly only use the mouse for websurfing < 1238633375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, I use w3m if I want to quickly look something up on a local html file rather than do serious surfing < 1238633380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it means I don't have to go to the mouse < 1238633384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I use the mouse for games too < 1238633410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend a week with plan 9; you can't even use up/down keys for editing (they are pgup/pgdown) < 1238633423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just left/right, typing, and backspace (no shift-selecting, or even DEL key) < 1238633438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simultaneously agonizing and enlightening < 1238633496 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elitist < 1238633510 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1238633512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 isn't an elitist system, just an opinionated one. < 1238633519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very, very, very opinionated one. < 1238633523 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::] < 1238633530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it's pointless < 1238633530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and < 1238633531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." < 1238633538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: `apt-cache show dwm` would you? < 1238633542 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not opinionated, I'm just always right" < 1238633543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet £50 it has a package < 1238633564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[maybe you should go to school and learn how to spell cuz who the fuck < 1238633564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spells marK with a c? musta been a baby of a couple retards]] < 1238633566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ lol wat < 1238633578 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail. < 1238633578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please notice that dwm is currently customized through editing its source code, so you probably want to build your own dwm packages. This package is compiled with the default configuration and should just give you an idea about what dwm brings to your desktop. < 1238633585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- partial output from apt-cache show dwm < 1238633588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: £50 plz < 1238633596 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238633596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't accept the bet < 1238633605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harumph < 1238633605 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was implicit, clearly < 1238633637 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the record show that ais523 tacitly accepted the bet < 1238633645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't < 1238633650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is dwm written in? < 1238633654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing C from the dependencies < 1238633660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1238633667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about somehow smalltalkifying it so that you could edit the source while it was running < 1238633669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's written by the suckless.org people < 1238633681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a pretentious, people-hating bunch of plan 9 addicts < 1238633686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dwm.suckless.org/ < 1238633705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think if you did such a modification they'd treat it akin to a death threat and an insult on their mother < 1238633715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that firefox in the foreground in that screenshot? < 1238633722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238633736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: asking consistency of them is henious. < 1238633739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1238633740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to your room and think about what you've done. < 1238633769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dwm has no Lua integration, no 9P support, no shell-based configuration, no remote control, and comes without any additional tools, such as for printing the selection or warping the mouse." < 1238633780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that's in the feature list < 1238633791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they go on about that a lot: http://suckless.org/common/ < 1238633819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... also, it uses mercurial as the vcs < 1238633827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238633828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed, I'd expected them to use something I'd never heard of < 1238633836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: regardless of how silly they are, reading the code is nice: http://code.suckless.org/hg/dwm/file/deaa276abac1/dwm.c < 1238633843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1706 lines; and a lot of sane people swear by it < 1238633847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as their WM < 1238633850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern-software people, that is < 1238633852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unix hermit < 1238633852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238633911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43 /* macros */ < 1238633920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that fit in with their concept of using less code rather than bad code < 1238633927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously that section contains macros < 1238633930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of #define < 1238633938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like writing x = y + 2; /* addition */ < 1238633940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: send a patch just to remove those two lines < 1238633948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238633951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll probably accept it and hail you as a genius in the commit messag < 1238633951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238633959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 207 /* variables */ < 1238633963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 130 /* function declarations */ < 1238633964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 lines < 1238633983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 247 /* function implementations */ < 1238633987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1238633992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it < 1238633997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been written by COBOL programmers < 1238634011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL requires you to do that, C doesn't but they've kept the habit < 1238634039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://incise.org/tinywm.html i still love this wm < 1238634050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I could write a humane WM in ~500 lines < 1238634059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: [01:00] IRP > Should I go to York or Manchester University next year? (U.K.)- if all else fails, mudkips or coin-flips shall suffice. < 1238634068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long's xmonad, by the way? < 1238634071 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's hobby is pressing the last letter of his sentence and the enter key simultaneously < 1238634076 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1238634085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I thought it was me that did that, not ehird < 1238634091 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works roughly half the time/ < 1238634098 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is./ < 1238634103 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm bad at this. < 1238634119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going, going, → < 1238634200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that dwm source is clearly golfed < 1238634208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's doing things like fitting entire loops into the head of a for loop < 1238634224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is always possible, but only used for golfing and showing off AFAIK < 1238634453 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, kerlo's Canonical Programming Rule: The only good way to write a program is the best way to write the program. < 1238634498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the canonical programming hello world, in your opinion? < 1238634524 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canonical Programming Rule, corollary 1: If you can think of multiple equally good ways of writing that beat all other ways of writing it, you need to come up with an even better way of writing it. < 1238634540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238634549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canonical Programming Rule, corollary 2: If there are multiple best ways of writing a program, the programming language sucks. < 1238634558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double heh < 1238634562 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what language? < 1238634570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one < 1238634571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1238634587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1238634608 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PutStrLn "Hello, world!" < 1238634655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1238634660 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical language I've thought about since... a while ago. < 1238634756 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of lines-of-code, i happened to graph loc for each lua version earlier http://moonpatio.com/lua/lua_loc.png < 1238634770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:20:15] <@lsmith> ok .. this is quite unanimous .. even if we count Stas to be of the same opinion as dmitry < 1238634772 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I finish it, ask the Singularity to upload a description into your mind. < 1238634776 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take a while, you see. < 1238634798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmorrow: that's quite a lot for a lightweight scripting language < 1238634801 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that the best thing he could possibly do right now is read the Wikipedia page "Concept" < 1238634866 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the lua code is some of my favorite C code (wrt clarity/tidyness) < 1238634876 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an epiphany < 1238634896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:34:18] <@andrei_> hey, what about :) separator < 1238634906 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1238634908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'm not surprised they went with \ in the end < 1238634924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: from the actual discussion between PHP devs about what char to use for namespacing < 1238634993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they had to make a decision in a hurry because it was degenerating into an emacs vs. vim holy war < 1238635189 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think this also solves another of my problems. < 1238635205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, smileys as the PHP namespace separator? < 1238635267 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either I've forgotten which problem it solves, or I've realized that it actually doesn't solve that problem. < 1238635393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what was the solution, anyway? < 1238635398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's looking for a problem < 1238635476 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concept splitting. < 1238635497 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know whether an item is an instance of a category or not, split the category into two categories, one containing the item and the other not. < 1238635544 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you forget about one category, great: you've determined that the other category is the one worth remembering. < 1238635568 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, having told you that, I have to kill you. < 1238635605 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least ask you if you'll ever write or otherwise work on an AI that isn't Friendly. < 1238635622 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d680d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9433bc7ca28a75f1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238635629 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. CADIE.. I think < 1238635634 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: transcript of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ9Q40kIR0 ? < 1238635786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: nah, too lazy. < 1238635815 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mainly asking ais523, you know. < 1238635829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be more important. < 1238635845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: ah, aha < 1238635857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how TAEB identifies items in NetHack, it's a rather limited application though < 1238635940 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB? < 1238635946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack-playing bot < 1238635959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated to #esoteric, although it's something I work on from time to time < 1238635964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my project, other coders are more active on it < 1238635972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a low-level person who helps out occasionally < 1238636025 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1238636043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not april fool's any more, and I have no reason to lie to you about that < 1238636101 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want proof, not because I don't believe you, but because proofs lead to understanding that mere statements do not. < 1238636125 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much how the string "IO ()" is much less useful than an actual Haskell program. < 1238636129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: don't trust him, he could be lying about his timezone < 1238636133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: http://sartak.org/code/TAEB/ < 1238636138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1238636151 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1238636173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my AI branch is at http://ais523.sartak.org/TAEB-AI-Planar/ < 1238636276 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not April Fools here < 1238636278 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :April Fools! < 1238636280 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238636404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238636481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, http://www.sixxs.net.ipv4.sixxs.org.sixxs.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/main/ actually works < 1238636578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I just got first post on a Slashdot article < 1238636998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wasn't trolling < 1238637192 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238637270 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That URL makes me think of http://normish.org/ihope/root/var/www/ihope/root/home/ihope/root/var/www/ < 1238637277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238637294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normish is something special, alright < 1238637332 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, a better one: http://normish.org/home/ihope/root/var/www/ihope/root/var/www/root/var/www/ < 1238637783 0 :zbrown!n=rufius@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1238637790 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238638170 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but where's your "frost pist!" achievement? :( < 1238638189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they don't add that, it'll make things even worse < 1238638204 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ :) < 1238638299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: that code's nonportable < 1238638301 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a frost pist. < 1238638315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a fixed version, that works in both C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL < 1238639451 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238641885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I was reading the report on voting machine security flaws that the state of Ohio commissioned < 1238641890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it's really ridiculous < 1238641910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flaws, I mean, not the report itself < 1238641985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed an all-new sort of buffer overflow I've never seen before: < 1238641987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :287 TCHAR name; < 1238641988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :288 _stprintf(&name, _T("\\Storage Card\\%s"), findData.cFileName); < 1238642004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TCHAR's like char, it's a single-character type) < 1238642095 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1238642115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code is even worse than gets < 1238642123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there are circumstances under which gets doesn't overflow... < 1238642153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if AnMaster were alive, he'd probably complain that _T infringes on implementation namespace or something like that...) < 1238642198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that that 0x0102030405060708 is accepted as the password on one type of machine they make, even if the password's been changed < 1238642899 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238643113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, the science subreddit is _still_ in AF mode < 1238643172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is CADIE dead, or is she just elsewhere? The video suggests dead, but the blog says elsewhere < 1238643205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ still works < 1238643328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried to make language accept INTERCAL < 1238643333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page just refreshed < 1238643361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's stopped working < 1238643385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean when you put INTERCAL in? < 1238643414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, altogether < 1238643418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once April 1 ended < 1238643425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can enter queries but don't get replies < 1238643491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 -----### < 1238643500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow! < 1238643501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1238643506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine for me < 1238643629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, working again < 1238643638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with yet another typically INTERCAL-related response < 1238643673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238643675 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1238643685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how succinct < 1238643789 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Tried to add an Intercal-choice in the combo-box, but when I pressed "Ask CADIE", the page just refreshed and the form was reset. < 1238643864 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX's nick reminds me of something else < 1238643887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, it reminds me of some Runescape quest < 1238643891 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, who was that girl who hung out in here? < 1238643899 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liked manga, slept like 2 hours per night < 1238643906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :razorX, aka sukoshi < 1238643929 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1238644657 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-66-145.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238645474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ytmnd.com/april/hehe_mix.swf < 1238645628 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that materials don't mean anything: there are stone glasses, and there are glass stones. < 1238645635 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though both are pretty weird. < 1238645726 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you *could* make glasses out of stone. < 1238646714 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238647537 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're also marble stones and stone marbles, which is a little less obvious than it sounds at first < 1238647592 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238647749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1238647772 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :topic ain't done changed since 2009-04-01 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1238648175 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648176 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648178 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648180 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648183 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648193 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648193 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648194 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648194 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648195 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648198 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648198 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648201 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648204 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648204 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648303 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust673.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-214-94-132.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648329 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648329 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238651691 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238651839 0 :neldoreth!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238652978 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238653001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238653639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238654520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238654874 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238654982 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238656731 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238659200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659258 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659264 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238659272 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659286 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238659433 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238660097 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238660503 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238660738 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238661316 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238661738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, Google took down their INTERCAL style guide < 1238661756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the Google cache of it isn't showing, nor is the Yahoo cache, but I saved a copy from the live.com cache, of all places < 1238661765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time ever that live.com has been remotely useful < 1238661800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the CADIE source already, luckily < 1238662355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, your ick repo should be up again < 1238662361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1238662367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll push right away < 1238662401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pushed < 1238662412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are your download logs for C-INTERCAL? < 1238662421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's inconvenient to get at them, don't worry < 1238662433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just mildly curious as to how popular it is < 1238662531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec < 1238662566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first: almost all from http://ipv4gate.sixxs.net < 1238662575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all surprising < 1238662621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is me, and one other persomn < 1238662623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :person* < 1238662629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with other ipv6 ips < 1238662634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many accesses altogether? < 1238662649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/www/data/log $ wc -l thttpd_log < 1238662650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 thttpd_log < 1238662671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for just a few hours after release < 1238662675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most are for favicon.ico < 1238662676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238662682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238662682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is 404) < 1238662692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old MSIE 404 favicon.ico bug strikes again < 1238662696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep ick thttpd_log | wc -l < 1238662696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1238662697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been fixed nowadays < 1238662701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1238662714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 404 bug? < 1238662723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in older versions of IE, if favicon.ico's a 404, it ends up pinging it every time you access a page on the website < 1238662770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ick downloads are from that other person with native ipv6 btw < 1238662776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1238662776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or tunnel, I don't know) < 1238662779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who it was? < 1238662832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks in whois (which is usually quite correct for ipv6 IME) < 1238662845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :organisation: ORG-OB3-RIPE < 1238662845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :org-name: LeaseWeb B.V. < 1238662866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... not all that useful < 1238662874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although knowing RIPE narrows it down to one continent < 1238662899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contact addresses are both in Amsterdam < 1238662911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Joris, then < 1238662923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your logs should now have another native-IPv6 entry. < 1238662935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Dutch INTERCALer I know, and he's pretty active in terms of submitting patches < 1238662974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2607:f0d0:3001:36::dead:baba, a rather curious address. < 1238662984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not my choice *shrug* < 1238662988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that yours? < 1238663002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you somehow reading AnMaster's logs? < 1238663002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's that lepton.kuonet-ng.org. < 1238663006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is that of the vps. The person who runs it was a joker. < 1238663006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238663011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume < 1238663021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1238663045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hit in the logs should be from 2001:1bc8:102:587b:21d:7dff:fee4:a593 I presume. < 1238663073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone has memorized their own IPv6 address < 1238663085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxy I used to use at the University was 147.188.147.123 < 1238663095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no I don't have another native one? < 1238663097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays I normally use wireless, so I show up elsewhere < 1238663104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I had a new one from that one in Amsterdam though < 1238663105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238663123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1238663126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread < 1238663234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I remember mine. It is ::1 < 1238663236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238663247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no I don't remember my full one) < 1238663345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A /64 prefix is relatively easy to remember, so if you put something at prefix::1, that's not too bad either. I used to remember my 6bone prefix. I don't remember this current one, though. < 1238663386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhat interesting that IPv6 was initially only used to create long hostmasks that spelt out words on IRC < 1238663466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's odd that SixXS handed out a /48 when you requested a subnet. Presumably it is related to making routing simpler? < 1238663481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, pretty much < 1238663499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lots of subnets of the same size makes routing tables smaller and simpler < 1238663513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238663518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and they give you a /48 so that you can do some subnetting of your own. < 1238663522 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238663524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a /48 is amazingly large < 1238663531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /64 would be the usual size for IPv6 < 1238663531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't you subnet at /96 or such? < 1238663539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything smaller than that annoys the routers < 1238663544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really make smaller nets than /64. < 1238663549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why? < 1238663555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to subnet something, it should be bigger than /64 < 1238663563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The address format specifies that the last 64 bits is the node ID. < 1238663567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all those stateless-autoconfig things generate EUI-64 format addresses, too, which need a 64-bit network. < 1238663593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238663599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a tunnel provider handing out /60s, though, which means you have 16 subnets to play with. < 1238663609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1238663648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you configure things manually, at least Linux is completely happy to use smaller-than-/64-networks, it's just not pedantically-speaking correct. < 1238663651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a /48 you would have 65536 subnets right? < 1238663663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238663666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238663668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 2 16^p is the correct way to calculate it < 1238663685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably 65534 in practice < 1238663690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1238663692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because IIRC max and min addresses have special meanings < 1238663694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only IPv4? < 1238663700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1238663725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's max and min addresses in a network, you can still use things like 192.168.0.5, even though there's that 0 byte in there. < 1238663759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1238663780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would 192.168.0.0 be the min address of 129.168.0.0/16 or 129.1268.0.0/24? < 1238663783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can just as well use the 2001:1234:1234:0::/64 subnet. < 1238663791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*129.168.0.0/24 < 1238663820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it's the min address of both, and it depends on configured netmasks and such what it means. < 1238663848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the min address mean then? < 1238663857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max is multicast or something isn't it? < 1238663866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's traditionally "the address of the network, not a host in it". < 1238663874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While all-bits-one is the broadcast address, yes. < 1238663881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, sending a packet to 255.255.255.255 sends it to the entire Internet < 1238663899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about multicast then? Isn't that "broadcast, to some hosts" < 1238663901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, any sane router will drop it < 1238663909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multicast uses a separate range of addresses. < 1238663915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To identify multicast groups. < 1238663925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mhm and how do you mark such groups? < 1238663951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, exactly? < 1238663965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no idea. I hate networking < 1238663967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238663995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" To identify multicast groups." <-- well, how do you identify if a computer is in a group or not < 1238664010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the IGMP protocol for that. < 1238664016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does group-registration and such. < 1238664019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGMP or ICMP? < 1238664022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGMP. < 1238664024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238664114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in IPv6 the multicast stuff has been taken in ICMPv6. As was ARP. < 1238664150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All IPv6 multicast addresses are in the ff00::/8 block, while the IPv4 range goes from 224.0.0.0-239.255.255.255. < 1238664183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's 224.0.0.0/4 if I count the bits right. < 1238664190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238664224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fe80:: is "link local" or something like that right? But what is the use of it? < 1238664304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for link-local purposes. Like router-discovery and such, I think those tend to use the link-local addresses at some point. < 1238664326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this ipv6 over facebook thing hm... the page *is* still there http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=59502659200 ... < 1238664342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naturally < 1238664349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, and if the statistics are correct, the app has been there for a while. < 1238664354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those April Fool's RFCs which probably actually works, just is insane < 1238664356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238664361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they were testing it before releasing the RFCs < 1238664363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1238664386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the fec0::/10 prefix for "site-local" v6 addresses, presumably for rather similar use than the current private-use non-routable IPv4 addresses. < 1238664432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238664444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59502659200&topic=6840 <--- ? < 1238664486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238666673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238667248 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667340 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238667411 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667463 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667690 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238667702 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667915 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238668487 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238673011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1238678830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw wikipedia lists http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5513 too as a joke rfc this year (yes it lists the facebook one too) < 1238682795 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238682863 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238683198 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238685435 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238685463 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238687108 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238687787 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-116-157.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238688065 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238688600 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238689625 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly- < 1238689635 0 :FireFly-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1238690174 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238690477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know an ipv6 isp in uk? < 1238690663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native&country=gb < 1238690696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons or Goscomb! < 1238690698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great names. < 1238690750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expects the spanish vogons < 1238690765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how comprehensive or accurate that list is; I know one (1) ISP in Finland who does native IPv6 to customers, and that's Nebula, and coincidentally it's also the only thing listed under the Finnish flag there. < 1238690796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and you're on nebula? < 1238690801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1238690823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, these uk isps seem very, very obscure < 1238690825 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nebula were polite enough to point the reverse-DNS zone for the /64 they've assigned to me to any DNS server I wanted; that's some good service. The network in the student apartments of my university also does native IPv6, but there are no reverse-DNS entries there. < 1238690830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many IP addresses? < 1238690830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally a company would received 1208925819614629174706176 addresses to cover up to 65536 sites. < 1238690834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather gung-ho < 1238690855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice; Orange are in the business of assraping their customers with restrictions < 1238690882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that irritates me: < 1238690888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling hosting services isps < 1238690891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's technically correct < 1238690893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no norway :/ < 1238690894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not helpful! < 1238690916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broadband services from Andrews & Arnold Ltd are aimed at the technical and professional customer. We cater for home users right up to large corporate users. Most of our customers are reasonably technical or purchase via an IT consultant/dealer. The services we offer are not the fast food of broadband - we have a range of specialist options including blocks of IP addresses at no extra cost, reverse DNS delegation, IPv6 services, bonded lines with fast fa < 1238690918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llback, and much more. We also pride ourselves in having technically competent support staff based in our UK offices. < 1238690921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr, this sounds hot < 1238690924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange since norway was listed in a wp article as having among the top relative penetrators < 1238690937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our Professional service starts from as little as £20.50 pcm† (£17.83+VAT) including 2GB peak download allowance, so can easily be used by more demanding home users. Professional customers can pick a tariff that matches their needs. The professional service includes a free ADSL2+ ethernet router, fixed IP address blocks, IPv6, a UK domain, web space, and IMAP email (with spam and virus checking). < 1238690941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1238690946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 2gb download allowance is shite < 1238690951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't need the domain/webspace/email < 1238690963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our broadband services are provided using ADSL2+ were possible which allows up to 24Mb/s downlink and up to around 1Mb/s uplink. When not possible we provide using ADSL1 which allows up to 8.128Mb/s downlink and up to 448Kb/s uplink (832Kb/s with the premium option). These speeds are the maximum line rate and depend on the line legth and quality. The availability checker can give an indication of likely downlink speed. We upgrade ADSL1 lines to ADSL2+ wh < 1238690965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en possible as part of the 21st Century Network upgrade. Details < 1238690967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, that's fine < 1238690980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so if only there wasn't a 2gb download allowance that'd be awesome < 1238690996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peak period download per month. < 1238690996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peak period is 9am-6pm Mon-Fri. < 1238690997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238691001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off Peak allowance 100GB < 1238691001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+100GB steps < 1238691004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid < 1238691014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 9am-6pm i'm only allowed to d/l 2gb. < 1238691019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1238691024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other times except night (2am-6am) which is unmetered. < 1238691027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of fucked up < 1238691055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it has everything, i just wish it didn't have the stupid bw limit < 1238691097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A byte is 8 bits of data which is normally one character. A gigabyte or GB is 1,000,000,000 bytes (not to be confused with a Gibibyte or GiB which is 1,073,741,824 bytes)" < 1238691103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're full of shit, andrews & arnold. < 1238691118 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically, it's correct < 1238691124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that no one uses gibi < 1238691132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ripoff :P < 1238691155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gibibibibii! Sounds like a pokey-mon or something. < 1238691167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously they give you a decent router and ipv6 and whatnot and the speed looks great < 1238691170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a terrifying gibibite < 1238691176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2gb peak allowance? < 1238691183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like... giving you a rocket and telling you to only fly at 3mph < 1238691203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : :D < 1238691206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogons.net/ < 1238691215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHALL LOOK UP THE "BOGONS" < 1238691221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect pokemons don't bite though, would not be family friendly < 1238691261 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do, I think < 1238691266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, they knock each other out and seriously injure them with massive electric attacks and shit < 1238691269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think biting is pretty tame < 1238691273 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been... ten years since I played < 1238691278 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I may be wrong < 1238691280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the game < 1238691281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yea < 1238691285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have a bite attack < 1238691289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about the shitty show < 1238691291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Static IP address if required " < 1238691293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1238691307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Multicast and/or IPv6 routing over ADSL " < 1238691308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1238691314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* No enforced transfer cap (subject to reasonable usage) " < 1238691317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION netgasm < 1238691320 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall biting in the movie < 1238691335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, bogons sounds fuckin' awesome < 1238691345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£35/mo < 1238691371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just beware of the clause where they reserve the right to blow up the earth for their information superhighway < 1238691379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.enta.net/Customer_Products/Data_&_Connectivity_Products/Broadband/ ← yawn, no thx < 1238691429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you restrict access to any Bit torrents/news sites? < 1238691430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDNet do not restrict access to any sites or ports etc. < 1238691443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they explicitly state that is nice < 1238691460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might email the v^Hbogons to ask if they filterz < 1238691516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hokay, so it's < 1238691520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnet home supermax http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/ < 1238691529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs bogons adsl http://www.bogons.net/ < 1238691536 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238691590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random opinions welcome, I'd like to escape this shithole of an esp < 1238691591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isp < 1238692657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"My esp is rather lousy, too" < 1238693181 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-116-157.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238693538 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238693889 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238694235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://redsnake.me/ < 1238694758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons vs idnet is looking good right now. < 1238695455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did you know that your Browser is buggy: it can't parse comments correctly. --> < 1238695457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolleyes < 1238697424 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR < 1238697469 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGML comments are weird. < 1238697549 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-96.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238697556 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ERROR part may actually be commented, depending on whether or not you live in 1999 or 2005 or elsewhen < 1238698126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRETEND TO SWIM WHY DON'T YOU JIM < 1238698792 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238700239 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238700709 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238700795 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238704269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238704271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just solved syntax. < 1238704292 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238704535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238704936 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of what? < 1238704967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax. < 1238706194 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238706581 0 :nooga!n=nooga@user-89-108-224-199.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1238706603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much < 1238706728 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238708729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :croc < 1238709646 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238710739 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238710816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mr ip wizard, "/29 or /30" will mean ipv4 rite? < 1238710864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely, yes. Those are pretty small blocks. < 1238710891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar. I'm deciding between http://bogons.net/ and http://idnet.net/, both of which look more or less perfect. < 1238710929 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238710930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since generally the all-bits-0 and all-bits-1 nodes are kept as the network address and the broadcast address, respectively, so a /30 would have just two usable addresses. < 1238710937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238710976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enta) IPStream Max (up to 8M) 100kbps 448kbps £60.00 £35.00 < 1238710983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 100kbps second is the download spede column. < 1238710987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet it says up to 8M? < 1238710987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238711031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our student housing network had a costs-a-bit add-on service to get your own non-DHCP-allocated /29 (so six hosts) block. < 1238711059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do have a /16 of their own. < 1238711075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons give you a static ipv6 address with yer own reverse dns so that's just fiiine by m < 1238711075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238711077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you're referring to TKY.) < 1238711090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You mean TKY? The old Trinet block at least was just a /20. < 1238711092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tky? < 1238711113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about the new one. TKK has a /16 block of its own. < 1238711138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The student union. Acronym of the finnish name. < 1238711140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a personal reply from Bogons with techy details, which was nice. Delivered via RT too. < 1238711143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.130.0.0/18 < 1238711146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently. < 1238711155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misremembered then. < 1238711176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a map somewhere... < 1238711182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, about that dead:baba ipv6 address - is there liek a service to get a custom one you specify or sth? < 1238711184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like license plates < 1238711202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have your own network, you can number the nodes any way you like. < 1238711224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238711226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1238711238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the stateless autoconfig stuff uses automatically generated addresses that are -ff:fe-. < 1238711243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good ol' I Have Gratuitous Amounts Of Money option. < 1238711283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. < 1238711289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't OSes come with a dns resolver? < 1238711294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it's done remotely. < 1238711349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be to cut down traffic a bit, so that just the ISP's ns has to wonder where google.com is. < 1238711405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, sure, but it seems like it'd be much, much faster. < 1238711421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it'd be hard to handle the traffic considering how powerful networks are nowadays < 1238711441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root servers would have a lot more work to do; I think they have quite a lot as-it-is. < 1238711453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs djbdns. < 1238711465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wonder what the root servers run on < 1238711470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a mega-optimized bsd < 1238711481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about speeds, either, since now you can just ask a very nearby server, and it probably knows the answers already, since everyone else's asking about the same things; you don't have to start from the root. < 1238711495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after using it a while it should be a lot faster, no? < 1238711501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since cache retrieval would be instant < 1238711531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, caching would be a good idea. I have my local BIND configured so that it forwards all queries to the ISP's server if it doesn't know the answer offhand. < 1238711539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.root-servers.org/ Poor greenland. < 1238711546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, I foundeded the (IPv4) map: http://zem.fi/trinet/trinetmap.html < 1238711549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already fairly instant < 1238711569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig reports around 7 milliseconds on average < 1238711589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-) < 1238711612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lot of addresses for those houses < 1238711616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That might be obsoleted already a bit, since I did that back when they updated the network. They might have changed stuff. < 1238711628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2. As root, create UNIX accounts named Gdnscache and Gdnslog. " < 1238711634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck, time for djb to lecture me about how to run a fuckin' unix system < 1238711638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1238711674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to use local djbdns < 1238711699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, root lookups are quite slow aren't they? < 1238711703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in 30 seconds and still going. < 1238711721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, timeout. < 1238711726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I fucked up. < 1238711735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dnsmasq is probably the cheapest choice if you want a caching-only local DNS thing. (Although it comes integrated with a DHCP server, which might be pretty useless.) < 1238711770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen dnsmasq used in some of those Linux-based routery devices too. < 1238711772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8. Set up a public web page saying that your DNS cache is powered by djbdns, so that a Google search for powered djbdns will find your page in a few months. These public statements will encourage other people to deploy djbdns, provide djbdns support services, and develop djbdns-related tools. Please also consider making a donation to the Bernstein Writing Fund." < 1238711778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go fuck yourself, bernstein < 1238711794 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with asking people to help? < 1238711803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're awfully hostile < 1238711809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I just like insulting Bernstein because he's pretentious < 1238711817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238711830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To install djbdns, ..." GO TO HELL BERNSTEIN < 1238711834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238711887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me an obscure domain to lookup, I want something that takes longer than 5ms < 1238711897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotgoatporn.com < 1238711903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 msec < 1238711904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: eso-std.org. < 1238711911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, 160 msec < 1238711917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's domain squatters for you < 1238711920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it's cached :-/ < 1238711923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: agoranomic.org < 1238711934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :157 < 1238711936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipsis.cx < 1238711940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anything breaks 200 < 1238711946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :170 < 1238711952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1238711957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: gnaa.us < 1238711962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org was 207 < 1238711972 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that one was 330 < 1238711982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you gay? Are you a nigger? etc. < 1238712014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2ch.org wins for now: 362 < 1238712038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what about 2ch.net < 1238712044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :203 < 1238712044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japan everything is slow. < 1238712056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's far away, mostly. < 1238712065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of something .cn and failing < 1238712072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.cn: 748 < 1238712073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propaganda.cn < 1238712076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1238712080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a second < 1238712086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propaganda.cn: 613 < 1238712115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is India slower or faster, I wonder < 1238712125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know its TLD < 1238712127 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238712135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.in? < 1238712150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.in < 1238712157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.in took 200 < 1238712167 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-131-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238712178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.in was below 100, bar.in got no answer and took 850 < 1238712184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're curious, you can often "dig @server -c ch -t txt version.bind" to find out what a DNS server's running; often even if it's not BIND. Although a lot of people do disable that feature, too. < 1238712188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baz.in exists though < 1238712209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version.bind. 0 CH TXT "This space intentionally left blank" < 1238712229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what's this < 1238712230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version.bind. 0 CH TXT "NSD 2.3.7" < 1238712239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the K root server < 1238712254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadn't heard of that one < 1238712279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% sudo svstat /opt/local/var/svscan/service/dnscache < 1238712279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local/var/svscan/service/dnscache: up (pid 97416) 15 seconds < 1238712281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J runs VGRS4 < 1238712281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1238712289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Any root servers running djbdns? < 1238712293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not < 1238712298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"contact info@netnod.se" < 1238712308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one of these sneaky ones :-P < 1238712317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so ashamed < 1238712330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dnsq a www.aol.com 127.0.0.1 < 1238712333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if it works this time < 1238712345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum this is slow. < 1238712351 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238712364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it doesn't seem to be _doing_ anything < 1238712401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' and if your DHCP client cannot be configured to discard external DNS cache information' < 1238712403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1238712405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most appear to run bind (9.2 through 9.4), two NSD (2.3.7 and 3.0.5), one VGRS4 < 1238712440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One blank, one times out for that request, one with that email address, one "intentionally left blank" < 1238712446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 www.aol.com: < 1238712446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timed out < 1238712447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1238712533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be too surprised if djbdns came with the version info disabled by default. < 1238712565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How irritating, I wonder how to ix this < 1238712631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a funny query; the "-c ch" means dns record class Chaos, for Chaosnet; normally just about any request is for class IN (Internet). < 1238712682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's a funny query? < 1238712691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version.bind. one. < 1238712699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1238712738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they can't really use an Internet DNS name of "version.bind", I'm sure we'll end up with a .bind TLD sooner or later. Using a Chaosnet name is rather cleverness. < 1238712813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you set up your local bind, fizzie? < 1238712820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna figure out what I did wrong. < 1238712920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mostly I just have: acl "local" { local; networks; here; }; ... options { ... listen-on { all; private; IPv4; addrs; }; allow-query { "local"; } recursion yes; forwarders { isp's; dns; server; ips; }; ... }; -- and that's about it. < 1238712932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't mean how you set up the bind in particular < 1238712937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant how did you then test it < 1238712944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm just getting timeouts < 1238712993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do something like "dig @ns.google.com a google.com" and get results on the box you're running the name server on? < 1238713013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it might be that your friendly ISP is filtering outgoing DNS that's not directed to their nameserver. :p < 1238713039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1238713048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my ISP is sane in that respect. < 1238713062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then % dig @127.0.0.1 a google.com... and... silence. < 1238713072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached < 1238713092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you setting up a local bind? < 1238713099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a local djbdns. < 1238713101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I want to. < 1238713105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1238713112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "too much work" and such before < 1238713115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1238713121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do things that require too much work when I am bored. < 1238713125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238713134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, djbdns as forwarding? < 1238713136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ok < 1238713137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather strange. Maybe you could "netstat -nlp" or something to check whether your djbdns is actually listening? < 1238713144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: djbdns's dnscache server < 1238713156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would use dnsmasq for that. Or bind. < 1238713160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would the protocol name be? < 1238713164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's wrong with using dnscache? < 1238713168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djbdns for authoritative ones < 1238713170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP, port 53. < 1238713177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably nothing < 1238713199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er, can you tell I've never used netstat? < 1238713202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dnsmasq almost works out of box (read through a config and edit an option or two, start daemon < 1238713205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238713206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /etc/services name here is "domain". < 1238713222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Of course if this is OS X netstat, it'll have a different syntax. < 1238713223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: er, can you tell I've never used netstat? <-- :D < 1238713229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seems so. < 1238713231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1238713234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: netstat [-AaLlnW] [-f address_family | -p protocol] < 1238713234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : netstat [-gilns] [-f address_family] < 1238713236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sockstat on *bsd < 1238713241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends to be more useful < 1238713243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't see why that wouldn't work. < 1238713248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just nmap myself. :-D < 1238713251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sockstat -4ln < 1238713254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1238713254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabe < 1238713256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe* < 1238713259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth trying < 1238713260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's netstat seems to be rather different. Just "netstat -nl" is probably enough. < 1238713262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no command, AnMaster < 1238713279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovered open port 53/tcp on 127.0.0.1 < 1238713281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— nmap < 1238713284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORT STATE SERVICE < 1238713284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53/tcp open domain < 1238713291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? It is bshish though, so I thought it would make sense on OS X < 1238713292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "-nlp" was for Linux's netstat, for which "-p" means "show PID and program name for whatever's there". < 1238713323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does -sV < 1238713341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that sure sounds like it's listening; strange that it doesn't want to talk to you. Maybe start it with enough debugging and verbosity flags, then. < 1238713376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initiating Service scan at 23:02 < 1238713376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scanning 2 services on localhost (127.0.0.1) < 1238713377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lah lah lah. < 1238713395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe it's talking to me but it can't find anything. < 1238713443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's possible, of course. Although since you do DNS queries yourself, I see no reason why dnscache couldn't. < 1238713462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stats: 0:01:02 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing Service Scan < 1238713462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service scan Timing: About 50.00% done; ETC: 23:03 (0:00:11 remaining) < 1238713465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is horribly wrong here. < 1238713476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION < 1238713477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53/tcp open domain? < 1238713479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iiiinteresting. < 1238713481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's antisocial. < 1238713505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% telnet 127.0.0.1 53 < 1238713505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 127.0.0.1... < 1238713506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connected to localhost. < 1238713508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape character is '^]'. < 1238713510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello how are you < 1238713517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to learn dns. < 1238713533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure 'look up google.com' can't be hard. < 1238713541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1238713543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet is tcp. < 1238713546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durr. < 1238713551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can talk DNS over TCP too. < 1238713554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1238713558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no I can't :-) < 1238713561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally it's done only for zone transfers, though. < 1238713577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're still doing that DNS-based DDOSing that's been very popular lately. At least my DROP rule for that has seen 298K packets since I last reloaded the iptables rules. < 1238713646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, zone transfers in djbdns are different iirc < 1238713655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djb made it after all < 1238713668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I seem to recall too that it did something different. < 1238713673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync iirc < 1238713678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1238713713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to speak DNS? < 1238713731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rather binary protocol, not too comfortable to speak manually. < 1238713753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aw. < 1238713923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can connect. < 1238713925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is imporatnt. < 1238713927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important < 1238713942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a normal program you could just run it with some sort of "don't daemonize, absurdly verbose output" command line options to see what's happening, but I have no idea how to do something like that to dnscache. < 1238713983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses djb's wacky daemon runner thing. < 1238714001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, there should be some sort of log file. Wanna bet it's empty? < 1238714045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just says it started up. < 1238714049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I gathered. < 1238714070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! < 1238714076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat current < 1238714076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d531bd380b501c starting < 1238714077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d535b439b2b2d4 tcpopen 00000000000000000000ffff7f000001:cd55 < 1238714079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d535b439c3b64c tcpclose 00000000000000000000ffff7f000001:cd55 connection reset < 1238714083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djbdns, you doofus. < 1238714086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ipv6. < 1238714108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks dnscache/root/servers/@ < 1238714114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a ipv6-mapped ipv4-address, though; ::ffff:127.0.0.1, to be exact. < 1238714114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's just ipv4 addresses < 1238714119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000000000000000ffff7f000001? < 1238714132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1238714133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238714140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's just me. < 1238714142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over telnet. < 1238714154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, @4000000049d535b439b2b2d4 is a timestamp < 1238714155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so we're having TCP acknowledgment. < 1238714157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue about format < 1238714170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make dig, uh, < 1238714171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use tcp? < 1238714175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dual-stacked systems do so that if you listen on the wildcard ipv6 socket, you get also ipv4 connections using that funky mapped format. < 1238714176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1238714204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a +tcp somewhere in the command line. < 1238714211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+vc also work < 1238714212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238714216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[no]vc (TCP mode) < 1238714216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[no]tcp (TCP mode, alternate syntax) < 1238714224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dig @127.0.0.1 -4 +vc google.com < 1238714227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have successory. < 1238714233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Query time: 1103 msec < 1238714241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Query time: 1532 msec < 1238714245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the slow at first. < 1238714259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's tcp vs udp. < 1238714267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So something's up with udp port 56. < 1238714273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, what. < 1238714281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53. < 1238714289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever mon. < 1238714302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really odd. < 1238714308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's up with it. < 1238714312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Your system is the odd. < 1238714365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Linux is wooing me atm. < 1238714399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that DNS-DDOS doesn't seem *so* popular any more; I reset those counters more than 15 minutes ago, and haven't seen a single incoming packet. < 1238714430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure I like this 100msec initial lookup thing. < 1238714451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my router doesn't seem to do tcpy dns. < 1238714454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dig +vc en.wikipedia.org [hang] < 1238714486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Got an obscure domoniker? < 1238714760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not. < 1238714776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhooways, it is annoying having a choice between two equals,. < 1238715144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1238715881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238715908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: < 1238715909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brandon Butterworth is a Principal Technologist in the BBC's research and development team and the man who first registered the bbc.co.uk domain" < 1238715921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the guy that responded to the question I asked bogons.net < 1238715926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too cool! < 1238715943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okänd värddator bogons.net < 1238715944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238715950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unknown host) < 1238715962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.bogons.net/ resolves for me. < 1238715972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238715975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogons.net doesn't resolve < 1238715976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just www. < 1238715978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1238715984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it'll be how they've set up their servers < 1238715987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're an isp < 1238715989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a separate webserver < 1238715993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical < 1238716002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even so... < 1238716003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying but understandable < 1238716016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why have it not resolve < 1238716023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't cross their minds? < 1238716024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could do a CNAME or A record < 1238716026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they're one of the isps i'm considering < 1238716038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do ipv6, don't have bandwidth limits, don't shape traffic < 1238716042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give you a static ip for free < 1238716061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238716062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked whether they shaped traffic and got a technical response from the guy who first registered the BBC's domain. < 1238716066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is pretty awesome. < 1238716071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xs4all under cover? < 1238716077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh < 1238716102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have over 15 years experience of the Internet - dating from the start of the Internet in the UK in 1989. If you feel that your clue level isn't quite high enough to do-it-yourself yet," < 1238716103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238716106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should update that < 1238716111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1238716111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 20 by now < 1238716114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238716145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other isp i'm considering is http://www.idnet.net/, but I'm leaning more to bogons now for the techness and smallness. < 1238716159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you sure xs4all does ipv6? < 1238716166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they might, I'm just not aware of it < 1238716193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well they do newszilla6.xs4all.nl (free for sixxs customers too!) < 1238716203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I then doubt they don't do ipv6 elsewhere... < 1238716205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newszilla? < 1238716224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if bogons provides usenet < 1238716306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably < 1238716313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, bogons is hard to google < 1238716316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an internet-related term < 1238716321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering < 1238716345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is < 1238716350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1238716367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238716376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they charge £10 more a month for 800Kbps upload < 1238716378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 400Kbps < 1238716383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it can't be that different? < 1238716445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how bogons don't bundle a shitrouter though < 1238716450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get a linksys and put openwrt on it < 1238716484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd prefer if they bundled a Cisco for those £10 < 1238716485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238716489 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238716495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cisco? < 1238716500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always heard recommendations for linksys < 1238716521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, high end? More expensive? < 1238716529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure? < 1238716532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cisco owns linksys < 1238716537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not totally no < 1238716541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238716544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1238716547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linksys.com redirects to http://www.linksysbycisco.com/ < 1238716550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'd use openbsd still < 1238716555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1238716558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a router? < 1238716572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a pain to get working... vs something like openwrt < 1238716573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my router. A pentium 3, running openbsd < 1238716580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not a "router". < 1238716580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2* < 1238716585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238716586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, it does NAT < 1238716590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all that < 1238716596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's silly < 1238716600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have a switch < 1238716601 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238716602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1238716604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind it < 1238716614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... wait < 1238716618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is it silly? < 1238716618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you plug it into the phoneline? < 1238716625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall what cable it is, I'll go check < 1238716636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch - openbsd router - adsl modem - phone < 1238716636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's just ethernet isn't it? < 1238716650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most modern routers have an adsl modem built in < 1238716655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ethernet all the way except modem-phone which is special cable < 1238716673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my adsl modem doesn't < 1238716674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238716689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/Routers ← I like how they're all oh-so-stylish up to the WAP54G, when they turn into megauglys. < 1238716776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WRT54GL < 1238716778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Wireless < 1238716781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility: two windows logos < 1238716785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur hur < 1238716793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum Requirements < 1238716793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Explorer 6.0 or Firefox 1.0 or Higher for Web-based coniguration < 1238716795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-ROM Drive < 1238716797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 2000, XP, or Vista < 1238716799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network Adapter or Wireless Network Adapter