< 1238025974 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mimp puup
< 1238026016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke du sei før nåkka
< 1238026061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeg va ikke
< 1238026086 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-213-115.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238026103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/va/vet/, probably
< 1238026132 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1238026154 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall we try Polish instead?
< 1238026269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to use google translate on "i don't think that would be a good idea" but i cannot even paste the resulting characters :D
< 1238026317 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nie s�dze by by� to dobry pomys�? :>
< 1238026348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pasting is not unicode, i think
< 1238026361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i cannot paste full unicode with my setup
< 1238026440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your special characters show up as superscript digits
< 1238026452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1238026464 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc sucks
< 1238026473 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when using irssi, there is no problem
< 1238026477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i assume that's what you get for interpreting latin-2 as latin-1, or something
< 1238026495 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nie sadze by bylo to dobry pomysl ;p
< 1238026505 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byl*
< 1238026514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed that
< 1238026525 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then "sadze" means "i am planting"
< 1238026538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two words are like what google translate gives, and the last one almost
< 1238026569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nie sadze, ze byloby dobrym pomyslem
< 1238026620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put "to" before "byloby" and it's correct
< 1238026645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, if you _had_ pasted unicode i would probably have seen just question marks
< 1238026676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/unicode/utf-8/, to be precise
< 1238026771 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst thing in Norway is that when someone hears that you're Polish immediately says something like "ah, are you here to collect some berries?" :d
< 1238026785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1238026795 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)
< 1238026805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well recently they might have asked if you were doing construction work
< 1238026815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C
< 1238026845 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1238026857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with the crisis lots of polish construction workers in norway have lost their jobs
< 1238026873 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to do some IT-related work in scandinavia
< 1238026882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but chances are mere
< 1238027231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worked for Opera in Wroclaw ;d
< 1238027278 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1238027286 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1238028870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48 psygnisfive: funny, i just got one of those
< 1238028873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't already have one?
< 1238029382 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238029457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I just realised that in fact ruby 1.9 did add nice lambda syntax
< 1238029459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->(x) { x }
< 1238029466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, you can even do
< 1238029474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def <insert unicode lambda>(&b); b end
< 1238029476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then
< 1238029480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambda>{|x| x}
< 1238029907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://noahstokes.com/?
< 1238029911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?//
< 1238030141 0 :revcompgeek!i=a11cfd1d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-802303ce7dde34fa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238030191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say we build an ark (without steering) and put him on it
< 1238030214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll just <marquee> off it
< 1238030215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi revcompgeek!
< 1238030216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you
< 1238030224 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird
< 1238030238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has a remarkable memory
< 1238030244 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that
< 1238030291 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here used D?
< 1238030302 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digitalmars.com/d/
< 1238030312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1238030314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR
< 1238030316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq
< 1238030319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant
< 1238030322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of which the last is most active
< 1238030333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, er, me.
< 1238030336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR's the most competent with D, though.
< 1238030349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Eh, Deewiant wrote ccbi.
< 1238030350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough for me.
< 1238030366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/ccbi.html)
< 1238030702 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1238030710 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making the interpreter for Ans in D
< 1238030750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ans?
< 1238030760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ans in your pans.
< 1238030778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ans
< 1238030778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1238030789 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1238030794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks neat.
< 1238030801 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so?
< 1238030812 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1238030845 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem i have is that the only gdc that works with my computer is old
< 1238030865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use gdc!
< 1238030867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe only gdc that exists is old.
< 1238030874 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1238030877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revcompgeek: http://www.dsource.org/projects/ldc
< 1238030881 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else works with powerpc
< 1238030885 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including ldc
< 1238030903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powerpc?
< 1238030904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old mac
< 1238030904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1238030911 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1238030914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revcompgeek: er, llvm supports ppc
< 1238030915 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerbook g4
< 1238030915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not
< 1238030931 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't figure out how to use ldc on this computer
< 1238030942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes wrong
< 1238030979 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess i'm wrong
< 1238030988 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was under the impression that it wouldn't work on a powerpc
< 1238030993 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what i can figure out
< 1238031001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revcompgeek: you'll have to compile llvm
< 1238031010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a note: when you compile llvm and ldc, compile with gcc-4.2
< 1238031016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just gcc
< 1238031021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is broken with the older gcc
< 1238031082 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dsource.org/projects/ldc/wiki/PlatformSupport
< 1238031095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPC Mac
< 1238031095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC compiles, but bugs in frontend
< 1238031097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting of GDC fixes suggested
< 1238031099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runtime, inline asm and exception handling need work
< 1238031101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contact: TrevorPascal??, Kashia?
< 1238031103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will probably work ok
< 1238031148 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm going to see how well it works
< 1238031156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1238031299 0 :nooga!i=Freya@abzy166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238031304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1238031311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1238032033 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm installing libconfig cmake and llvm at the same time, and my computer is crawling
< 1238032044 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P old computers suck
< 1238032074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1238032080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revcompgeek: making sure to use gcc-4.2 for llvm?
< 1238032095 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked that, thanks
< 1238032111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1238032120 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1238032125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1238032148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revcompgeek: if you think setting up ldc is hard, never try and bootstrap the ghc haskell compiler
< 1238032152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires itself to build
< 1238032165 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about those
< 1238032174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to download an older binary of it, unpack it, download the source, set up the paths to it, and hope nothing goes wrong
< 1238032175 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up ldc isn't that bad actually
< 1238032182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Things always go wrong)
< 1238032186 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck
< 1238032190 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen mercury?
< 1238032193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang?
< 1238032202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not much of a fan of logic pls
< 1238032228 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is programmed using itself
< 1238032232 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to bootstrap it
< 1238032238 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember exactly how
< 1238032268 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not much of a fan either
< 1238032278 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are too hard to think about
< 1238032281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with bootstrapping is that to be sane you have to assume a $language compiler is already installed. And if your language isn't called C, that's a bad assumption
< 1238032451 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you can use older mercurial versions to bootstrap it though
< 1238032457 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have to use a halfway compiler
< 1238032473 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i have to go
< 1238032478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1238032481 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1238032487 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1238032595 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1238033113 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1238033117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1238033129 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whitehouse.gov/OpenForQuestions/
< 1238033132 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7/10 are about marijuana
< 1238033137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so not surprised.
< 1238033148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are, as a rule, stupid.
< 1238033155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People, when faced with the internet, tend to become more stupid.
< 1238033155 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in the budget category
< 1238033162 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is aso leading in other categories
< 1238033171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That "View Questions" button is the new gmail fakebuttons.
< 1238033176 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which, including budget, it fit anywhere near
< 1238033182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh
< 1238033184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's powered by google
< 1238033189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing as the 'ask the google team' site
< 1238033195 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know?
< 1238033199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same UI
< 1238033205 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's moderator
< 1238033208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1238033211 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama used to use it directly
< 1238033215 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he has a branded version 8)
< 1238033225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: it's not branded
< 1238033226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an iframe
< 1238033238 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1238033240 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't notice
< 1238033240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<iframe id="ifMember" src="http://moderator.whitehouse.gov/ask/start"
< 1238033241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both
< 1238033242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1238033249 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1238033255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, umm, obama is being kind of shit :|
< 1238033259 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it's ok
< 1238033261 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not magic
< 1238033269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. still.
< 1238033269 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't be perfect
< 1238033289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if he had the same policies as bush at least you can listen to him without your ears bleeding
< 1238033294 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be better? yes.  but to be honest, stuff like the economy is a lot more important than what people on the internet worry about
< 1238033339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I'd say— no point politicizing #esoteric. Back to gay sex.
< 1238033341 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't have time to take a firm stance on everything
< 1238033346 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: SUPPORT
< 1238033351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: Yes, but— Er, right, cocks.
< 1238034022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION removes gay horse sex from [[WP:Gorse]]
< 1238034103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, anyway
< 1238034167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gorse is no horse, of course, of course
< 1238034331 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-13-202.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238034431 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1238034511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello
< 1238034525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ehird, i did not previously have a dildo that was properly cock shaped
< 1238034548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke.
< 1238034562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intentionally misinterpreted your sentence as 'I now have a penis, which I previously did not.'
< 1238034621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, and i intentionally didn't pay attention to that interpretation.
< 1238034622 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1238034746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i am starting to wonder if a dildo formed as a large fowl wouldn't be rather unpleasant.
< 1238035314 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for lady fowls
< 1238036018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1238036032 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll just go back to sleep
< 1238036094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: that would be heterosexual sex, which is clearly off-topic here.
< 1238037870 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238037877 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1238042108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1238043564 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1238043946 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-6.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238044610 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1238044642 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238045912 0 :revcompgeek!i=a007f94a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e4e5f981e88844eb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238045936 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: still there?
< 1238046384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1238049645 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238054399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1238054400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238058400 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1238061309 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1238061403 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer"
< 1238061592 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238062543 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi
< 1238062942 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238063318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1238063322 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1238063696 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1238065080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1238068501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1238068739 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1238071451 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238072607 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell"
< 1238074609 0 :revcompgeek!i=a007f94a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6d6e612f78b4bd4f JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238074786 0 :nooga!n=Freya@188.33.7.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238074805 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you sleep sometimes?
< 1238074887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1238074903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just finishing breakfast
< 1238074912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we not already see a graph conclusively proving that the correct answer is, in fact, "no"?
< 1238074912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes a _lot_ :D
< 1238074958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe D:
< 1238074969 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1238074979 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got rline on irc.ircnet.pl
< 1238074982 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1238075023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test5.png -- only explanation for the near-uniform thickness of the oerjan line must be lack of a sleep mode. (At least discounting all sensible explanations.)
< 1238075036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect.
< 1238075064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct explanation is lack of a 24-hour sleep cycle
< 1238075086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is a sensible explanation, so I discounted it.
< 1238075252 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the y axis on that graph?
< 1238075270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y ask y
< 1238075362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sort of a normalized scale, the proportion of the width of one line to the whole graph is the same as the proportion to that nick's messages to all messages, in a N-minute window centered at that particular time of day. And some weighting.
< 1238075404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 2006-2008, I think.
< 1238075421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1238075430 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as i thought
< 1238075487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how much it would change if you took message length into account
< 1238075723 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1238075891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much: http://zem.fi/~fis/test5l.png
< 1238075937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do get a bit thicker there.
< 1238075958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_i_ do? i was expecting the opposite
< 1238075988 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1238076011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might well be doing it wrong, or alternatively be using somewhat different settings there.
< 1238076181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it was the same half-an-hour window, I get identical output to the original if I do not count the lengths. And the lengths are taken into account simply by counting e.g. "foobar" as six "messages", so I'm not sure how I could manage to screw up something that simple.
< 1238076192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it would seem i write longer messages in some time periods
< 1238076274 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When ehird is not here. :)
< 1238076388 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about average message length?
< 1238076420 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :message length / message count
< 1238076420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average message length per time-of-day, or something else?
< 1238076438 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per time-of-day
< 1238076443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average message length as varying by time-of-day
< 1238076471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in general or for everyone separately? I guess personal numbers are more interesting.
< 1238076482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1238076515 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :division-by-zero -> 0
< 1238076549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously that would mean not talking at all
< 1238076551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there will not be an entry in the per-window message-count-structure-thing for nicks that have no messages.
< 1238076620 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1238076668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala
< 1238076679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumdumdumdum
< 1238076885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrr durrr
< 1238077007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mimi moumou
< 1238077074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp
< 1238077098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cackle
< 1238077181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graph, it is choppy and unreadable, and lacks the Y-scale: http://zem.fi/~fis/test5avg.png
< 1238077274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is most probably choppy because even a single message is enough to bump the average message length from zero to some largeish non-zero value.
< 1238077359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1238077367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test5avgr.png has the normalized version, although I think the only use for that is for "who talks with the longest messages at some point of time" comparisons.
< 1238077427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that's ridiculously choppy
< 1238077456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an oerjan-peak around 10-11am. The times are EET/EEST, so that's... 9-10am around your place?
< 1238077494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1238077563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is not the sort of data you'd want to rely on.
< 1238077568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that might be just as much because no one _else_ is there
< 1238077620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this test5avg, the peak should mean that your messages are longer than normally during that time.
< 1238077858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the choppiness seems to come from people who _never_ speak at certain times, such as ais523?
< 1238077905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AnMaster
< 1238077916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1238077983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apparently you _never_ speak between 4AM and 7:30AM Finnish time, for example
< 1238078002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test5avgr.png shows it pretty clearly
< 1238078015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would make sense, I would usually be sleeping then
< 1238078059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why the sharp vertical pattern in several places?
< 1238078073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's exactly what i was trying to explain
< 1238078078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1238078080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when someone's "average message length" jumps from 0 to non-zero.
< 1238078137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood is interesting, he probably is very rarely here at some times, enough that some are completely absent, but still enough that he covers most of the day
< 1238078162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm pikhq too
< 1238078194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems I don't speak between 8 and 80:30 or so either?
< 1238078202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 8:20
< 1238078217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what freaked me out is that AnMaster and ais523 are _never_ here at certain times ever, in a 3 year period
< 1238078219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 7 to 7:20 in your time zone.
< 1238078252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, why not use UTC? That is the standard after all in international places
< 1238078258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope too
< 1238078265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I try to sleep during night when possible
< 1238078339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me and oklopol remain the only ones who have no holes at all
< 1238078340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to bother with the UTC-conversion, since it's a non-fixed offset "thanks" to daylight savings stuff. Of course Time::Local would've done it for me, but still.
< 1238078388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's odd between 6 and 7 I'm active?
< 1238078392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really correct?
< 1238078401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single message is enough to count as "active".
< 1238078413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is the average message length the graph is showing.
< 1238078436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that seems rather useless, average number of days when it happened would be more interesting I suspect?
< 1238078450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, a single message is enough for a full hour of activity, since it's a 30-minute sliding window.
< 1238078460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average message length is what was requested here.
< 1238078469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we were trying to find out if the length of our messages varied by day
< 1238078488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but isn't the graph relative?
< 1238078497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it isn't absolute value
< 1238078499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they do, although the choppiness shows there is a lot of noise
< 1238078512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://zem.fi/~fis/test5avg.png
< 1238078530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's absolute, but also unreadable
< 1238078599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm why is that very rectangular for me around 6 in the morning?
< 1238078606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 7 in that graph
< 1238078611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 7 in Sweden
< 1238078615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1238078618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 in Sweden*
< 1238078638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just explained that? If you have a single message, you get a fixed average-message-length for all windows that cover that single message, and with a 30-minute window it means a "block" of one hour.
< 1238078646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1238078660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see the bit about the window
< 1238078726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test5avgc.png has the absolute-value-graph drawn in the cumulative fashion. It's maybe more readable than test5avg.png, as long as you don't look at the overall shape, which is nothing really meaningful in this case.
< 1238078806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the scale of y? max == 511 chars?
< 1238078809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1238078819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about a "logarithmic" version of http://zem.fi/~fis/test6.png ? to show the difference between "speaks rarely" and "never at all"
< 1238078846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did test6 show now again?
< 1238078858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolute number of messages, i think
< 1238078869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still with a window i guess)
< 1238078890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. test6l.png for absolute number of characters. All within a 30-minute hamming-weighted window.
< 1238078925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have time for further graph-drawing right now, I have to go and make a speech recognition presentation in Swedish (of all things) in 15 minutes, for that obligatory Swedish course-thing.
< 1238078956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems only slightly different from message number
< 1238078964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1238078996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i meant by "logarithmic", though, so i may pester you again later :D
< 1238079035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with your presentation
< 1238079197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. It's just a five-minute thing, so at least it'll be quickly over.
< 1238079306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think about building the presentation out of my advanced-continuation-course-in-speech-recognition 30-minute seminar presentation, or our conference paper, but that might not have worked so well, given that the audience has architects and all kinds of non-computer-science people.
< 1238079426 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eew, Hamming windows. :-)
< 1238079494 0 :nooga_!n=Freya@94.254.240.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238079500 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa
< 1238079538 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAaaa!
< 1238079583 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, cool people use Gaussians as their window functions.
< 1238079634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One hump is just as good as any other, it's just there to get a bit more pleasant-looking picture out of it.
< 1238079657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to ambulate myself to that classroom, bye.
< 1238079664 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That orange thing is not pleasant-looking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Window_function_(hamming).png
< 1238079670 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iif i were a girl i'd die for night with Erlend Oye
< 1238079732 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I guess you're not taking the Fourier transform of anything.
< 1238079806 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all that matters is how nice-looking the hump is.
< 1238079908 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1238079995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test6.png <-- I have talked at 4am?
< 1238079997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1238080000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this finnish timez?
< 1238080001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what offset?
< 1238080010 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1238080011 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal_
< 1238080081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike some of you, I am not an open source developer, I am an activist in the free software movement." —rms
< 1238080085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can tell.
< 1238080090 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1238080130 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i'll release my intensively caching, lightning fast, mvc web framework for C on cc license
< 1238080151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: use BSD!
< 1238080157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc licenses don't apply to code well
< 1238080165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... why on earth would you write web code in C
< 1238080169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like really stupid.
< 1238080182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay I can think of about 5 uses.
< 1238080190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ones that would justify mvc.
< 1238080192 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not look like C any more
< 1238080211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not use a language that isn't for systems programming
< 1238080225 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit ton of defines converts C in something more rapid
< 1238080234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why
< 1238080236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awful to use tbh
< 1238080376 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controller(something) { view(index) { Array* x = Users->getAll(); render("template.haml",x); } }
< 1238080386 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1238080405 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogogog http://localhost/something/
< 1238080408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: first i can imagine how awfully brittle that is and bet it only works when you do what the framework designer expected
< 1238080409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly
< 1238080418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on non-god's earth would you do tht
< 1238080426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using a language designed to do that kind of shit
< 1238080458 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is RoR is sloooow, php is slooow, asp is idiotic, java shit is java shit
< 1238080464 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C is neat
< 1238080464 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1238080546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) RoR is slow, but that's in a large part an artifact of the framework and old ruby versions; 2) PHP may be slow, but it's fast enough for big things (unless I'm hallucinating); 3) No argument there; 4) ditto; 5) C may be neat (I disagree, but.) but I couldn't call this abomination "C"...
< 1238080567 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1238080583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ct
< 1238080599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I missed the pun.
< 1238080600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the next versions will be Cth, Cthu, etc.
< 1238080613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I'd rather Cthulhu than this.
< 1238080618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you were not patient enough :D
< 1238080645 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to serve something on my old PC and enable quite massive traffic
< 1238080645 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1238080651 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ i'm unemployed and bored
< 1238080651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, "Thulhu, a web framework for C"
< 1238080660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: how old?
< 1238080670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of traffic? I can only imagine spambots.
< 1238080685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I wouldn't say processing is the top bottleneck for these kinds of things.
< 1238080698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be a port of the Haskell Tur framework
< 1238080698 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like it to survive raids form 4chan and being linked on digg
< 1238080714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the other way around
< 1238080728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: I wrote a shoddy PHP site that overprocessed, made a database connection each time, did an ajax request every 0.5 seconds.
< 1238080736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got to #1 on digg. /b/ hogged one account.
< 1238080742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other places picked it up.
< 1238080746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It barely slowed down
< 1238080764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on a low-spec vps
< 1238080767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256mb/ram
< 1238080776 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your server was that cluster from CERN?
< 1238080780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1238080787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256mb/ram, low cpu speed (it's variable, but it was low)
< 1238080793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just kept going and going, and you know what eventually killed it?
< 1238080804 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238080804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1238080806 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1238080825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logfile took up the 10gb of storage space.
< 1238080826 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1238080831 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :nooga
< 1238080840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, you absolutely don't need more speed than PHP for just about anything. (that doesn't mean use php, just means that using a fast language isn't important)
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< 1238080904 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are ruining my rad idea
< 1238080904 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu ;D
< 1238080908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that to people :)
< 1238080917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: fwiw, a high level c webframework is oldhat: http://www.annexia.org/freeware/monolith
< 1238080920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 oldhat
< 1238080952 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081013 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thing
< 1238081027 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081027 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081027 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1238081109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1238081113 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:
< 1238081123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how does 'Users->getAll()' work?
< 1238081123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an oop system?
< 1238081125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic?
< 1238081126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it has to be Users->getAll(Users)
< 1238081126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1238081130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1238081151 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1238081162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that
< 1238081162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238081171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: oh,so you actually have to call it like that?
< 1238081172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gets worse and worse
< 1238081174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea ;d
< 1238081183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: for the love of god just make a preprocessor
< 1238081199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make x->y->(z) be x->y(x,z)
< 1238081204 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because C proprocessor is quite stiff
< 1238081205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users->getAll->()
< 1238081244 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeijeijei
< 1238081638 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081638 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-86-234.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"consider a program that takes 100 ms vs a program that take 1 second. to the human, practically speaking, the 10x speed difference is negligible."
< 1238081638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
< 1238081639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT/ <- this language is so hilariously overcomplex
< 1238081762 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081762 0 :mtve!n=nmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081762 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081762 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238081776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That C++ can be compiled into C is a pretty good indication that the whole language is basically syntactic high-fructose corn syrup."
< 1238081779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut
< 1238081786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this stupid day?
< 1238081798 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238081798 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238081801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238081801 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238081846 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot seems to be reinventing dylan
< 1238081853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1238081857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy worked on the dylan team, tombom
< 1238081861 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah haha
< 1238081866 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise thatr
< 1238081876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but srsly, it's the most complicated language I've seen save like ada
< 1238081947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :". Dave Moon worked on the first Lisp Machines at MIT, later was CTO at Symbolics and then worked at Apple on the Dylan language"
< 1238081990 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOT
< 1238081994 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems nice
< 1238081998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o
< 1238082003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're barmy.
< 1238082022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bad copy of my perfect language, although that applies to most languages :P
< 1238082055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your superior language?
< 1238082088 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082088 0 :mtve!n=nmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082088 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082088 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm; it resides within my head. The basic idea is that it's completely dynamic at every level possible: the compiler/runtime are malleable at both compile-time and runtime, which are indistinguishable (there's just infinite levels)
< 1238082134 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like P6
< 1238082135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine P6 taken to the extreme.
< 1238082151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, you could write a library that fully integrates — say — a dependent-typing system — by modifying the compiler at runtime to add it. You can, literally, change it into anything (even another language)
< 1238082196 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1238082196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's eval(), of course. So if you eval() a file, you can modify that file, and if it modifies the compiler, it'll change how the rest of the program is run
< 1238082197 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about such language
< 1238082209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you to extend it's syntax, alter it and mess with internal mechanisms using the language itself
< 1238082214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd be a "static" compiler option, though, to omit eval() and not let you do that kind of thing at runtime (so you don't need to bundle the compiler)
< 1238082216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my head asploded
< 1238082355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much hate typing what I don't need, I guess is the motivation.
< 1238082363 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeea
< 1238082373 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why ruby is cool
< 1238082392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Ruby. It's far from perfect, though.
< 1238082425 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1238082479 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238082479 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238082483 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238082483 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238082485 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the thing that ruby doesn't force any particular style
< 1238082645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I've been playing with recently is a language where programs are graphical... graphs.
< 1238082645 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strictly object oriented but let's you write code that looks procedural
< 1238082651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work
< 1238082655 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has got functional flavours
< 1238082658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory
< 1238082709 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and permits many cool tricks
< 1238082807 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theprodukkt.com/werkkzeug1#28
< 1238082834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about them
< 1238082837 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werkkzeug is based on a funny method
< 1238082840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max/msp, vvvv, etc
< 1238082845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardappel
< 1238082847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only worthwhile programming language is first-order logic with dependent typing.
< 1238082874 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082876 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most useful piece of syntactic sugar is the * token, pronounced "y'know", which is transformed by the compiler into the only value that makes sense.
< 1238082955 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1238082965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1238082981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you believe, that was me deliberately /quitting, rather than the connection dropping as usual?
< 1238082988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238082998 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238082999 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: where?
< 1238083023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing the assessment for my final project
< 1238083030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I've talked about in here on occasion
< 1238083071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly there'll be a mathematical paper coming out of it, which you can read
< 1238083075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I'm pretty sure I couldn't read t
< 1238083076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1238083079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, please don't claim that lazy impure imperative languages are ridiculous
< 1238083087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming reading involves grokking
< 1238083089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I didn't
< 1238083095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1238083095 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: oh, there might be a program somewhere that interprets it.
< 1238083097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did?
< 1238083102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody, right now
< 1238083103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did previous
< 1238083103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly
< 1238083107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure someone did last time it came up
< 1238083111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was just being pre-emptive
< 1238083118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _do_ think they are ridiculous, but I have a language prototype with it too
< 1238083131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't take your stupid ; operator approach, it's far more flexible than htat.
< 1238083146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not my approach
< 1238083150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up "Idealised Algol" some time
< 1238083167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks scary
< 1238083173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see why "a then b" is such a ridiculous operator to have
< 1238083197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not impure enough, mine lets you embed side effects anywhere, while working how you want, lazily :-)
< 1238083220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's brilliant
< 1238083228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that ; is a monad in disguise, but I don't see what's so bad about that
< 1238083231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for example
< 1238083239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = (print "Hello!") : foo
< 1238083246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prints Hello! when you first run it
< 1238083247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1238083250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head foo => ()
< 1238083258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head (tail foo) => Hello!()
< 1238083262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you determine first run?
< 1238083262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head (tail foo) => ()
< 1238083268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, when it runs that statement
< 1238083271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, repl console:
< 1238083284 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238083286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monads are infiltrating our country and stealing our jobs!
< 1238083344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and we'll all be better off for it
< 1238083357 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=.=
< 1238083357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: flood tym:
< 1238083358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foo = (print "Hello!") : foo; ()                () to avoid printing infinite list
< 1238083358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1238083359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1238083362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head foo
< 1238083364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()                            print returns ()
< 1238083365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head (tail foo)
< 1238083367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1238083370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1238083372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head (tail foo)
< 1238083373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they want you do think
< 1238083373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()                            the side effect only happens when evaluating, then it becomes the result
< 1238083377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head (tail (tail foo))
< 1238083378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1238083380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1238083382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foo
< 1238083384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(),(),(),Hello!(),Hello!(),Hello!(),...
< 1238083497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this all despite that the (print "Hello!") is the same each time
< 1238083510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the language has the notion of the same object differing depending on its context
< 1238083532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does your ; operator do? evaluate the left arg, ignore it, and output the right?
< 1238083550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that in a lazy lang, x; () would do nothing no matter what the value of x
< 1238083551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not relevant.
< 1238083565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine goddamnit i'll write it again so you stop nitpicking
< 1238083571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just curious
< 1238083578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ignore the first line
< 1238083579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend it's
< 1238083580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitpicks are how you learn esolangs...
< 1238083592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :magicreplcommandthatmakesitnotprinttheoutput foo = (print "Hello!") : foo
< 1238083599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is that : the same as : from OCaml?
< 1238083606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the : from haskell.
< 1238083606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons.
< 1238083608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ; () is irrelevant to the example entirely
< 1238083612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, same :
< 1238083613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"() to avoid printing infinite list"
< 1238083613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OK
< 1238083619 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just lost context
< 1238083619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no
< 1238083619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ocaml it's ::
< 1238083626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I always get that wrong
< 1238083635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single time I type it as : then correct it to ::
< 1238083638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Emacs' syntax highlighting goes mad on me
< 1238083714 0 :Rose!n=Rose@125.161.56.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238083730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Rose
< 1238083734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember seeing you here before?
< 1238083746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here?
< 1238083764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, we know this routine off by heart.
< 1238083769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right down to the byte!
< 1238083774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1238083787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even funnier in #IRP, partly because you can rely on the person joining to always say the same thing as well
< 1238083788 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1238083799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what?
< 1238083819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking it starts for a request for hello world
< 1238083821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by a request for 99 bottles of beer
< 1238083835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me you say 'go to hell'
< 1238083842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238083844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that response
< 1238083844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not
< 1238083848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1238083852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but HISTORICAL ACCURACY
< 1238083856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MichaelRaskin starts a response and then gets clipped
< 1238083859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GregorR> Please, write the lyrics to the song 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall.
< 1238083859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<memonic> go to hell
< 1238083861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the damn spec!
< 1238083869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I link people to http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/lyrics.html
< 1238083881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not a spec, just a transcript of an old version
< 1238083882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interps have been improved since
< 1238083896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right I'll just have to reverse it then
< 1238083901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they stalk your home and stab you
< 1238083905 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this faggotry?
< 1238083908 0 :Rose!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1238083917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I'm not sure if there's anyone gay in #IRP
< 1238083921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to ask I suppose
< 1238083923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd question though
< 1238083932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: not faggotry, we've moved to another off topic
< 1238083946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1238083952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that topic is so yesterday
< 1238083976 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238083976 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238083976 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238084007 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1238084031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't tell psygnisfive, he'll be so sad
< 1238084070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if he weren't catatonic
< 1238084157 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: O.o
< 1238084180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ha ha, you're weird, by 'faggotry' I meant 'stuff'."
< 1238084183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Duh."
< 1238084233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by 'rape', i mean polite conversation.
< 1238084280 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1238084297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who was Rose then, I wonder?
< 1238084314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rose
< 1238084330 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who was phone?
< 1238084345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which phone?
< 1238084384 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1238084618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1238084638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what shouldn't who tell psygnisfive?
< 1238084649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1238084663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, saw that split? I can't read up
< 1238084669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1238084681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:12 oerjan: nooga: not faggotry, we've moved to another off topic
< 1238084685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1238084721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----###
< 1238084729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw does anyone know if OpenTTD has trolley buses?
< 1238084733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO TELL
< 1238084746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can't bear the horror.
< 1238084766 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Really?
< 1238084776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird expects the AnMaster inquisition
< 1238084787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it was a question not a statement
< 1238084797 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1238084800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just stupid
< 1238084819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe nooga was trying to Turing-test AnMaster by feeding him syntax errors to see what happened
< 1238084825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1238084834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found OpenTTD to be rather primitive for anything but trains.
< 1238084863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, a train sim focuses on trains?
< 1238084867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty goddamn amazed
< 1238084872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a transport sim
< 1238084884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well whatever.
< 1238084902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in this case that difference actually matters I'm afraid
< 1238084906 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trains ftw
< 1238084923 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I play OTTD i build only trains
< 1238084934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AnMaster is immune to turing tests.
< 1238084936 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and sometimes planes
< 1238084951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... maybe AnMaster is a turing test himself
< 1238084951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, no one is any wiser afterwards.
< 1238084953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, well that is another issue with it. No complex under ground train networks with stations and so on below ground.
< 1238084957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by responding to him, we're losing.
< 1238085021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only winning move is not to play?
< 1238085041 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am quite sure that it could be implemented, since it's open project
< 1238085056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly. As a bonus you stay semi-sane.
< 1238085072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, well I tried it a bit recently, turned out a friend had those needed original files legally. So tried it at his computer.
< 1238085089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird again as reinforcement -----###
< 1238085089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I prefer simutrans though, it has all those features already
< 1238085094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is open
< 1238085101 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ttd abandonware?
< 1238085110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, not openttd afaik
< 1238085111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no.
< 1238085117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he means copyright
< 1238085122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the original files. right
< 1238085126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ehird said then
< 1238085130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: has the maker specifically got rid of the copyright?
< 1238085138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are the makers dead + 7 billion years?
< 1238085142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1238085149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I thought abandonware was a term for things that were technically illegal, but that nobody cared enough to sue about
< 1238085156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that last time ais523
< 1238085162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I still think that
< 1238085166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought so too
< 1238085173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's common usage, but it just means expired copyright software.
< 1238085178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or public domained old software
< 1238085203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the name for the meaning ais523 mentioned then? If we don't want to be ambiguous?
< 1238085208 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just googled these files and voila
< 1238085212 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i'm so illegal
< 1238085223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Er, piracy.
< 1238085230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don'tgiveashitware?
< 1238085234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1238085243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too long to be easy to use
< 1238085249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there exists expired copyright software?
< 1238085252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitware.
< 1238085260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We discussed this. It's quite likely.
< 1238085265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the law ais523? death+20 years?
< 1238085271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1238085277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 years for copyright iirc?
< 1238085283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death+25 in the UK, IIRC, if it's an individual who owns the copyright
< 1238085288 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1238085292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is this for books too?
< 1238085294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for companies are different, partly because it's hard to pinpoint exactly when they die
< 1238085302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in the UK, source code and books follow the same copyright rules
< 1238085304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hold several copyrights on software and i don't give a shit
< 1238085312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so independent shareware developer in the 80s, sells a program, dies in an accident.
< 1238085320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, it'd be uncopyrighted.
< 1238085322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could happen, I suppose
< 1238085329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought it was 70 years internationally + a few exceptions in some countries
< 1238085331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quite likely
< 1238085334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of stuff
< 1238085337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i would imagine it was more because companies are potentially immortal... at least originally.
< 1238085342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, every country is different
< 1238085352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, having copyright extend past death is pretty stupid.
< 1238085364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their ghosts's intellectual rights are being infringed!
< 1238085382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, their descendants may have royalties on it as their main source of income
< 1238085401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd put that as the company situation
< 1238085407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Duration " In most of the world, the default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years."
< 1238085420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, children
< 1238085426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wut?
< 1238085437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but think of the children!
< 1238085438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context?
< 1238085454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks of children. Did I tell you I'm a convicted child molester?
< 1238085456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, disregard that.
< 1238085469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/but/won't somebody please/
< 1238085471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the copyright ownership is owned by the dead copyright holders descendants after his death
< 1238085483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right. So then the copyright is held by a living person.
< 1238085486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I don't think copyright has to make sense, on the basis that nothing else in the economy does
< 1238085490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not any ghost no
< 1238085492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the person dies and it doesn't go there, ...
< 1238085496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I see you are alive again ;P
< 1238085504 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a car from a dead person ;d
< 1238085513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I challenged Death to tic tac toe.
< 1238085515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh.
< 1238085518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who won?
< 1238085520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While he was considering it I put the first move in.
< 1238085536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, it was 2x2 tic tac toe.
< 1238085536 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his wife had papers with his signatures
< 1238085537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, er, me.
< 1238085551 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we filled the papers and i've got a car from a dead guy
< 1238085571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, if I were Death in that situation (which is pretty unlikely, tbh), then once you played the first x
< 1238085578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put my own x next to it, then we'd both win
< 1238085585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> ais523: Well, it was 2x2 tic tac toe. <-- that would be even more trivial?
< 1238085585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238085589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /facepalm
< 1238085677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could be Death of Losing in Tic-Tac-Toe
< 1238085691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 2x2 tic tac toe constituted a major story arc of a comic I once made...
< 1238085695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would fit into IWC just well
< 1238085710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, it was used to settle a dispute of Earth vs MArs.
< 1238085714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Mars
< 1238085719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a very interesting comic?
< 1238085740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was quite funny. At least people seemed to think so.
< 1238085785 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you got any docs on your idea of this self altering language?
< 1238085795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Yes, just connect to my mind
< 1238085808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are self altering docs, obviously
< 1238085824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if only INTERCAL had string handling!
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< 1238085838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that palindromic Forth hello world could be translated to INTERCAL
< 1238085845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD
< 1238085852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show the forth one?
< 1238085862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Forth, or something else?
< 1238085877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it worked by redefining syntax errors to print hello world
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< 1238085883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then syntax-erroring
< 1238085904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the tcl one wasn't it?
< 1238085908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl
< 1238085909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc unknown
< 1238085913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, tcl
< 1238085916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1238085918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misremembered
< 1238085931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be a simple case of DO ABSTAIN FROM COMMENTS to remove the normal meaning of a syntax error
< 1238085940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by DO NEXT FROM COMMENTS to redefine them
< 1238085944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the hello world code
< 1238085951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the whole thing backwards
< 1238085964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that would print lots of hello worlds in a loop, you might want to exit somewhere in that mess
< 1238086027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls some basics had ON ERROR GOTO
< 1238086044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qbasic did
< 1238086171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1238086182 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5555555555555555
< 1238086182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods freenode
< 1238086252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err since I missed the discussion due to the netsplit, what is the code you are talking about? And why hello world backwards?
< 1238086260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Visual Basic had ON ERROR RESUME NEXT
< 1238086271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an anti-pattern in itself, codified into the language!
< 1238086273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> :D
< 1238086273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ehird, I was just agreeing with you
< 1238086273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> I don't think anyone but whoever made the first move would win in 2x2 tic tac toe... Right?
< 1238086273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> it would even be impossible for first player to loose
< 1238086273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the split
< 1238086289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, erm, no shit
< 1238086291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wrote a mistake
< 1238086302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:51 ais523: even Visual Basic had ON ERROR RESUME NEXT
< 1238086306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php oneups it
< 1238086309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@func(...)
< 1238086311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all errors are ignored
< 1238086319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a corrected version: the TCL palindromic hello world on stackoverflow worked by redefining syntax errors to print hello world
< 1238086324 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basics are idiotic
< 1238086332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by the same code backwards, which obviously contained a syntax error
< 1238086366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no syntax error, ais523
< 1238086368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just unknown procedures
< 1238086410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
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< 1238086417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238086425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with AnMaster, I wonder?
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< 1238086437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he blames freenode; I blame his bouncer.
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< 1238086457 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1238086465 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the split
< 1238086495 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what?
< 1238086512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a netsplit.
< 1238086512 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you see the huge netsplit?
< 1238086516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53 AnMaster has left IRC (Client Quit)
< 1238086516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53 AnMaster has joined (n=AnMaster@d83-177-2-125.cust.tele2.se)
< 1238086517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53 AnMaster has left IRC (Remote closed the connection)
< 1238086517 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not huge from your side
< 1238086525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not freenode's issue, AnMaster_.
< 1238086532 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but huge on the server I were on
< 1238086533 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would my bouncer be the issue.
< 1238086539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was. no. netsplit.
< 1238086591 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was because of timeout. But don't pretend there weren't a netsplit before
< 1238086604 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, after <nooga> 5555555555555555 I saw a split with lots of quits
< 1238086615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1238086616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1238086622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:49 nooga: 5555555555555555
< 1238086622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:49 AnMaster prods freenode
< 1238086699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop this nonsense, let's design computation model based on weave frequency, interference and diffraction
< 1238086719 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I sent that line about 5 minutes before the split
< 1238086721 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1238086723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster_: it was a very small netsplit, only three people parted
< 1238086728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were just caught on the small side
< 1238086734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looked big from your point of view
< 1238086735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, if only INTERCAL had string handling!
< 1238086735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43 AnMaster has left IRC (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
< 1238086735 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I noticed lag issues
< 1238086735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43 Judofyr has left IRC (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
< 1238086737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43 psygnisfive has left IRC (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
< 1238086743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was -ages- ago
< 1238086752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 minutes before
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< 1238086807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Splat!"
< 1238086921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there were three splits in total today. From your side all looked small yes. But they were huge from my side
< 1238086958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk for a bit
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< 1238087088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now there have been 4 splits
< 1238087112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is same but it took longer to detect on this side
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< 1238087141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been
< 1238087144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :P
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< 1238087864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pixelcomic.net/ <-- The universal opinion of people I know who see this comic is that I'm writing it.
< 1238087873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must admit it is quite, well, ehird.
< 1238088217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you writing it?
< 1238088221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1238088223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1238088235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was obvious.
< 1238088374 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238088378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1238088440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1238088450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, today's been pretty hectic
< 1238088471 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: explain!
< 1238088476 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh language
< 1238088477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1238088495 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain!
< 1238088505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na na na na
< 1238088544 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238088544 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1238088585 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238088622 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURRRRRRRr
< 1238089207 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238089455 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei
< 1238089612 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238089612 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238090720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1238091178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌─────┬─┬─┐
< 1238091180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│┌─┬─┐│%│#│
< 1238091181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :││+│/││ │ │
< 1238091183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│└─┴─┘│ │ │
< 1238091185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :└─────┴─┴─┘
< 1238091223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a spellbook, a wand, food, and a sink, all in individual rooms?
< 1238091251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OR the parse tree of +/%# ?!
< 1238091268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse trees are two-dimensional nowadays?
< 1238091315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In J, yes.
< 1238091315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's not a parse tree, just boxes.
< 1238091325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxes are, essentially, well
< 1238091330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't put a matrix in matrix, right? It's flattened out
< 1238091335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put a box in a matrix
< 1238091342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a box is just a matrix turned into a value.
< 1238091351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you have something that doesn't evaluate
< 1238091355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/%#) 1 2 3
< 1238091356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does
< 1238091359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just +/%# doesn't
< 1238091364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get it as the nested boxes of parsetreeity.
< 1238091561 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238091562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1238091601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse trees have always been two-dimensional, otherwise they'd be parse lines
< 1238091606 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238091606 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238091643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't even 2d
< 1238091645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nested
< 1238092035 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238092364 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238092424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, parsehack!
< 1238092478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is obvious they are 2D. Just consider LISP...
< 1238092552 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KISS LIPS
< 1238092628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I said LISP :P
< 1238092669 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238092670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICK LISP
< 1238092692 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238092741 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1238092964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pixelcomic.net/135.shtml
< 1238092996 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238093075 0 :revcompgeek!i=a007f94a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65d18602ebeb67d1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238093076 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this comic is shit
< 1238093115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know; i love it.
< 1238093312 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238093442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want read a shitty comic, read jerkcity or asciiartfarts
< 1238093462 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some really shitty comics if you want
< 1238093463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll read what i like thankyo
< 1238093464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u
< 1238093465 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some will make your blood boil!
< 1238093475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixelcomic is amusing though.
< 1238093531 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, i didn't realize this was real
< 1238093532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat
< 1238093545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seeing that URL scares me
< 1238093550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: err duh
< 1238093559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who didn't know jerkcity was made frmo that
< 1238093561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly
< 1238093565 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha
< 1238093571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel on the wikipedia illustration is #zdoom
< 1238093576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder
< 1238093586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1238093599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, interesting that that's how Comic Sans came to be
< 1238093615 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238093620 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1238093629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1238093631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's true
< 1238093635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was designed for microsoft bob
< 1238093637 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ops are represented by a hammer
< 1238093641 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wonderful
< 1238093661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, an actual ORLY/YARLY
< 1238093671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise those existed in the wild
< 1238093677 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #zdoom
< 1238093681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O RLY?
< 1238093681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one step removed from SA
< 1238093705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, O RLY?.
< 1238093706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: >:|
< 1238093739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans was designed because when I was working at Microsoft I received a beta version of Microsoft Bob. It was a comic software package that had a dog called Rover at the beginning and he had a balloon with messages using Times New Roman.
< 1238093742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.connare.com/whycomic.htm
< 1238094118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1238095960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing Windows XP in a VM and I have no idea why.
< 1238095960 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-118-98.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238095995 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fjölnir development?
< 1238096028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238096391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: is there actually a fjölnir impl readily available?
< 1238096411 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%B6lnir_%28programming_language%29
< 1238096420 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 16-bit :D
< 1238096452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it coded in Háskóli?
< 1238096479 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it needs its input encoded in CP861. Brings back memories of nothing ever working.
< 1238096487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah.
< 1238096498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is a list-processing language similar to LISP and LOGO.  "
< 1238096504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or is this completely false?
< 1238096517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just (two weeks ago, maybe) installed Windows XP in a VM, and I had no idea why. (Although since then I've found a real use for it: there is some windows-specific bug in the Java thingamajic used by that AI course, whose project-work I'm handling.)
< 1238096526 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: where does it say that?
< 1238096530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: 99bob
< 1238096542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm installing windows to see how well I can replicate http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt on it
< 1238096547 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, it does have lists...
< 1238096555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: python is a list processing language!
< 1238096565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lisp!
< 1238096567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and logo!
< 1238096576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.php.net/php.webmaster/4188 KOL WUT
< 1238096577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LOL
< 1238096583 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the defining part of lisp is lambdas/closures... which I haven't yet found in Fjölnir :(
< 1238096593 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a* defining part
< 1238096607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Evidently this language is not yet touched by the Sussman.
< 1238096683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it isn't unscien— shot
< 1238096700 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Its primary features are list-processing, akin to LISP's, and modular programming via algebraic package operators (which is what sets it apart from other languages), so you have special operations on packages like composition and so on."
< 1238096712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular programming via algebraic package operators
< 1238096712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w h a t
< 1238096725 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the Hello World example?
< 1238096730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1238096750 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit in between { } is presumably a module variable, and * sort of... links them
< 1238096771 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the only documentation is in Icelandic, so I don't really know what it's doing :(
< 1238096780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: Are they trying to say the good thing is that you can organize your code with packages and then run pointless operations on these packages?
< 1238096848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Please wait while Setup copies files
< 1238096848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   to the Windows installation folders.
< 1238096851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might take several minutes to complete.
< 1238096852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost a Haiku.
< 1238096891 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of cool if you can take a piece of code and use it in several different contexts... like maybe "GRUNNUR"'s * operator multiplies numbers, but some other package's * operator does something different.
< 1238096905 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that might not be possible :|
< 1238096907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "GRUNNUR" is the standard library.
< 1238096915 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems so.
< 1238096928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module names as strings is pretty stupid.
< 1238097051 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems there are first-class functions, too.
< 1238097065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing XP feels kind of ... deviant.
< 1238097083 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f := stef skrifastreng(0,1)" or something like that...
< 1238097104 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 being the amount of in-out parameters, 1 being the amount of in parameters.
< 1238097104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe even ... deewiant.
< 1238097112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: that's so ugly :D
< 1238097152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :94%%%%%%%%%%%%%
< 1238097173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this I get to remove a good part of the hideous abomination that is the parts of XP that are changed from 2000
< 1238097177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still left with the windows horror tho
< 1238097236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Setup will complete in approximately 39 minutes"
< 1238097238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay microsoft minutes
< 1238097256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing it in a VM certainly beats installing it on hardware.
< 1238097339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is currently informing me how awesome the new My Pictures folder is.
< 1238097486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE 25 CHARACTER PRODUCT KEY
< 1238097495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPEARS ON THE LOWER SECTION OF YOUR CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTI-CI-TY!
< 1238097498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It freakin' rhymes.
< 1238097546 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're poets and they were completely eluded by that fact
< 1238097552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238097562 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1238097587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So erm, my right mouse button is way too flaky.
< 1238097593 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop that sucker off
< 1238097594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using windows without one will be fun.
< 1238097596 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need it
< 1238097602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: Actually there's just one touch-sensitive button.
< 1238097609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your right mouse button offends you, pop that sucker off.
< 1238097615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple Mighty Mouse Gee Isn't It Great, There's No Line So It Doesn't Work Properly
< 1238097617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, in the Bible. Or something.
< 1238097632 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hrhr
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< 1238097948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, windows xp cursor excelleration is awful
< 1238097952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can really feel it working
< 1238098169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record a CD as easily as saving
< 1238098172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :information to a floppy disk
< 1238098174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Windows XP installer
< 1238098370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MICROSOFT(R) <windows logo>(TM)
< 1238098373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows (R) xp
< 1238098377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ====             ]
< 1238098407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, shitty intro video.
< 1238098417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD IT'S CLIPPY EXCEPT IT's A (?)
< 1238098434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE THIS MUSIC
< 1238098511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The product key being used to activate this copy of windowshas exceeded the maximum numbe rof lalowed activations
< 1238098515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckwits
< 1238098752 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238098791 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1238098823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Windows+XP+Professional%22+%22Belarc+Advisor+Current+Profile%22+key%3A
< 1238098827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radaaa!
< 1238098837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: FCKGW-... ?
< 1238098845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does that still work?
< 1238098858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was inquiring as to whether that one was what you used
< 1238098863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1238098868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because obviously, it doesn't work ;-)
< 1238098869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used an actual legit key
< 1238098877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a copy of Windows I own
< 1238098878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1238098886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've used it on too many machines, ho ho!
< 1238099012 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but remember, it's to protect you from non-genuine software
< 1238099066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a spare xp home key?
< 1238099164 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's legit, you can call Microsoft to get more activations, I think. ;)
< 1238099353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like I wanna do that.
< 1238099697 0 :revcompgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1238099743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First steps: http://imgur.com/ALIPP.png
< 1238099829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to hide the awful Sidebar in explorer?
< 1238100279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<XP> You can't delete this file cuz I don't want you to.
< 1238100716 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just love that?
< 1238100815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I had to download a freakin' extra app that just removes that limitation ><
< 1238100842 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it
< 1238100902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called Unlocker
< 1238100907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
< 1238100908 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey.
< 1238100913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi psygnisfive
< 1238100916 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I meant what were you trying to delete
< 1238100941 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine that's an app I'll have some use for as well
< 1238100942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. various shite that windows puts in program files by default :P
< 1238100947 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1238100976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the vm booted to windows desktop in ~5 seconds.
< 1238100982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I remove slowdowneverything.dll?
< 1238101001 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1238101021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
< 1238101023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FILES ARE BACK!!!
< 1238101030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except now they're all lowercase.
< 1238101060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: http://imgur.com/ALR79.png
< 1238101076 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh
< 1238101081 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a horrible dream last night D:
< 1238101089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird, you just reminded me off it
< 1238101096 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see
< 1238101103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: did it involve windows
< 1238101106 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :(
< 1238101116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1238101153 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, it involved a mac that had been loaded with some sort of horrible program that force-ran windows (or some fake windows like program) and wouldnt give control to the user
< 1238101167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeehehehe
< 1238101186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. When you remove a lot of crap frmo a windows system you quickly learn the fastest ways to get around.
< 1238101203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it was so horrible :(
< 1238101205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the best way to run any program you don't have a shortcut to, or open any directory, is Windows-R.
< 1238101215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows-R: It's like Quicksilver for XP.
< 1238101228 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P
< 1238101230 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only not as awesome
< 1238101272 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or like krunner for KDE
< 1238101300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krunnel, a pastry closely related to the cruller
< 1238101309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. krunner*
< 1238101382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously just saw windows boot up in 13 seconds till full responsiveness
< 1238101382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP!
< 1238101386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's crazy
< 1238101393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Counting right from when the bios switches over to windoze)
< 1238101398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :craziness
< 1238101436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the service packs; wonder when I'll get that message box spam? :)
< 1238101457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: any ideas on how to eradicate those phantom folders?
< 1238101461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all empty
< 1238101492 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know :/ I've never tried I guess
< 1238101663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the process list actually fits without a scrollbar.
< 1238101667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/ALWLP.png
< 1238101708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfgkjadfklgj stop it ehird D:
< 1238101715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop clicking.
< 1238101721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what it is until i dod! :(
< 1238101795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should follow Good Easy to the letter, and install Netscape 4. :P
< 1238101805 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1238101830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah no.
< 1238101866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs opera because it's lightweight
< 1238102037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.gizmodo.com/5185498/tesla-model-s-electric-sedan-prototype-has-a-giant-touch-dashboard?skyline=true&s=i hotness
< 1238102075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that must be a pain to use
< 1238102100 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1238102168 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll never get rid of "xerox" from program files.
< 1238102286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: why not
< 1238102293 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/11/16/258220.aspx
< 1238102300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, raymond chen?
< 1238102301 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows File Protection ensures that it's there.
< 1238102304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is evidently undeletable
< 1238102307 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you disable that, maybe :)
< 1238102325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you disable it?
< 1238102326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1238102329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can
< 1238102330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dunno how
< 1238102343 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but those programs that patch uxtheme.dll do it somehow.
< 1238102350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/790/
< 1238102354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_______________________________________________________^
< 1238102372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1238102372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may disable WFP by setting the value SFCDisable (REG_DWORD) in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ Windows NT\ CurrentVersion\ Winlogon. By default, SFCDisable is set to 0, which means WFP is active. Setting SFCDisable to 1 will disable WFP. Setting SFCDisable to 2 will disable WFP for the next system restart only (without a prompt to re-enable).
< 1238102375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easier
< 1238102378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from microsoft.com
< 1238102429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important: You must have a kernel debugger attached to the system via null modem cable (for example:I386kd.exe or Windbg.exe) to use SFCDisable = 1 or SFCDisable = 2.
< 1238102430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WUT
< 1238102441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning! Windows File Protection is not active on this system. Would you like to enable Windows File Protection now? This will enable Windows File Protection until the next system restart. <Yes> <No>.
< 1238102441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clicking Yes will reactivate WFP until the next system restart. This message will appear at every successful logon until SFCDisable is set to 0.
< 1238102444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WUT
< 1238102630 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kernel debugger attached to the system via null modem cable
< 1238102634 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best requirement
< 1238102927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going worryingly well
< 1238102935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe thi sisn't actually windows
< 1238102966 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like, you can stop programs putting things in My Documents by deleting it and creating a file called My Documents.
< 1238102974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oohhhhh.
< 1238102976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1238102977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggy keybbbbbboard
< 1238102980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. I shall do that.
< 1238103007 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may break some programs, maybe.
< 1238103018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: It doesn't let me delete it :(
< 1238103025 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:(
< 1238103051 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run a LiveCD in your VM :)
< 1238103082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1238103127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: this windows vm thinks it has an Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.17GHz... with 192MB of ram
< 1238103128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1238103206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, what text editor is the done thing on windows?
< 1238103206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not code editor
< 1238103388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I get the pleasure of using the fucktarded WINDEYS UPDAYT
< 1238103540 0 :nooga!i=Freya@abzz242.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238103584 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238103590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238103627 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238103628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238103639 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> ehird: a spellbook, a wand, food, and a sink, all in individual rooms?
< 1238103639 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> ais523: OR the parse tree of +/%# ?!
< 1238103639 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> parse trees are two-dimensional nowadays?
< 1238103642 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1238103675 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, if you had "huh?":ed, we'd have a palinbromic huh
< 1238103682 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/b/d
< 1238103697 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeh
< 1238103704 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt notice
< 1238103722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238103907 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1238104314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleargh
< 1238104483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use a serial for sp3 i need to upgrade to sp3 but to upgrade I need to activate XD
< 1238104795 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238104831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should invent a new card game based on INTERCAL
< 1238104943 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think functional INTERCAL description on CLCLC-INTERCAL is now good enough to implement all Unlambda operators, what do you think?
< 1238104952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it do c?
< 1238104963 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1238105021 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to write Unlambda in CLCLC-INTERCAL but I'm not sure if the operators is correct yet because I cannot test it. http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/esoteric/CLCLCINTERCAL/unlambda.txt
< 1238105039 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it look right to you? Probably there is some mistake because it is untested
< 1238105067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand but it looks cool
< 1238105093 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it can do c?
< 1238105106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks OK
< 1238105301 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says label (7) is for c but label (8) and (9) and (10) are also used as part of the c function. I'm not sure if there is a better way
< 1238105362 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1238105423 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you or me learn the INTERCAL way of programming it might be a bit confusing whether or not it works, you have to follow it slowly to understand. But once you or me it more used to CLCLC-INTERCAL (if you are insane also) then you should be able to understand the programs more faster.
< 1238105512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm insane, so that's a good start
< 1238105620 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can follow the program slowly at least to see if there is something I missed while doing the same. Eventually if CLCLC-INTERCAL is implemented then I can learn it faster, but it will take a while to learn it at first for sure!
< 1238105733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that would make it hard to implement?
< 1238105735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have a shot.
< 1238105772 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have question or comments please ask it. On IRC and/or on the [[Talk:CLCLC-INTERCAL]] page
< 1238105941 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly|
< 1238105955 0 :FireFly|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
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< 1238105975 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1238106005 0 :FireFly|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238106024 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238106134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what would make it hard to implement
< 1238106539 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1238107151 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238107235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Is it coded in Háskóli?
< 1238107282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back off from that weapon, you are not experienced enough to use it safely.
< 1238107401 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"
< 1238107429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Asztal_: Are they trying to say the good thing is that you can organize your code with packages and then run pointless operations on these packages?
< 1238107440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that sort of like ML functors?
< 1238107753 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example: http://moonpatio.com/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/raw?id=1988
< 1238107781 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the "quicksor" module, which uses the "<" and "=" given directly below it
< 1238107803 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know ML :(
< 1238108211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Int_set = Set.Make (struct
< 1238108211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             type t = int
< 1238108211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             let compare = compare
< 1238108211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           end)
< 1238108232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: that's an ocaml example
< 1238108307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creates an anonymous module defining a type t = int and how to compare it, and then uses the Set.Make functor to create a module for handling int sets
< 1238108322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/modules)
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< 1238108473 0 :k!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest45549
< 1238108579 0 :Guest45549!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238108752 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1238109638 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1238109667 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1238109729 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2"
< 1238110187 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1238110282 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1238110342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41 oerjan: back off from that weapon, you are not experienced enough to use it safely.
< 1238110359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One word the forced side-effect removal of the code.
< 1238110373 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1238110406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse, your sentence doesn't.
< 1238110458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a snowclone.
< 1238110469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originator: "One word the forced indentation of code thread over."
< 1238110511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse, that sentence still doesn't.
< 1238110731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well.
< 1238110799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ATTACK TROLL WITH SWORD
< 1238110799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe Clark deftly deflects your parry.
< 1238110801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Mark Pilgrim
< 1238110975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes:
< 1238110976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal of invariant sections, ever since the 80s when we first made the GNU Manifesto an invariant section in the Emacs Manual, was to make sure they could not be removed. Specifically, to make sure that distributors of Emacs that also distribute non-free software could not remove the statements of our philosophy, which they might think of doing because those statements criticize their actions.
< 1238110980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— rms
< 1238110989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day I seem to find something rms says that's more ridiculous & idiotic than the last thing.