< 1237334417 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost :(
< 1237334432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1237334471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 MizardX: http://sovietrussia.org/f/src/tetoris.swf
< 1237334474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god
< 1237334476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of empty space
< 1237334558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lab-mate dared any of us to fill-and-explosify a non-zero number of lines in that Tetris variant during work-time; I spent approximately seven minutes filling about half of a row, then misplaced a S leaving an unfillable hole, and finally closed the browser tab in disgust.
< 1237334604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Might be one of the reasons I'm still awake trying to write this must-be-ready-by-tomorrow text.)
< 1237334879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if by better you mean "easier", i cannot imagine one
< 1237334940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "as easy but not limited to collaboration on mathy subjects".
< 1237334969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1237335038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be some sort of a searchable GiganticSciencePublicationDatabaseGraphThing.
< 1237335139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An erdos-bacon number of 0.
< 1237335244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, bacon
< 1237335250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, Erdos.
< 1237335250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1237335255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can safely say this since AnMaster has left)
< 1237335257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am eating bacon right now.
< 1237335266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he still responds to pings
< 1237335270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he set his client to wake him up
< 1237335276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am eating peanut butter right now.
< 1237335282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not bacon oerjan.
< 1237335287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1237335306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe i have bacon, unless some has sneaked into the liver pate
< 1237335361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since bacon pate is a separate product, i doubt it
< 1237335631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that US "jelly" seems to include "jam" as a subset
< 1237335637 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1237335637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1237335638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1237335660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact i have all the ingredients for that famous peanut butter and jelly sandwich
< 1237335675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237335697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i merely failed at merging the slices into a sandwich
< 1237335719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it is too late for this meal, since i have already eaten the peanut butter slice
< 1237335759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but next time - FOR SCIENCE
< 1237336004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Blipi, you new?
< 1237336024 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1237336070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome
< 1237336076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here?
< 1237336095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a blip in existence
< 1237336123 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend ;D
< 1237336130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait ;D?
< 1237336132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be FireFly
< 1237336138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or MigoMipo, or BeholdMyGlory
< 1237336140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the swedes
< 1237336149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a large number of nicknames on the list; lots of alternatives.
< 1237336151 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whom just left
< 1237336153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telia.com redirects to .se
< 1237336154 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1237336156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep yep, FireFly
< 1237336158 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly
< 1237336159 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:D
< 1237336166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My investigation skills are unparalleled.
< 1237336173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do you have some psychic powers or something?
< 1237336196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just deduction.
< 1237336213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initcaps of the nick; then ;D -- I've only seen the swedes use ;D, but not AnMaster, he's far too seriousf or that
< 1237336220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, FireFly, BeholdMyGlory or MigoMipo
< 1237336228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /whois'd, checked the ISP, redirects to .se.
< 1237336232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus.
< 1237336258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wait, are you saying Blipi _is_ FireFly?
< 1237336264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1237336270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said he was referred by "My friend ;D".
< 1237336276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.  so i don't have to swat him then.
< 1237336281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to figure out who that was.
< 1237336282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1237336288 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;
< 1237336292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;
< 1237336298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1237336313 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost the Game
< 1237336322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't lose the game. Thank gawd for Not the Game.
< 1237336334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think telia may have some norwegian presence too, at least they used to
< 1237336342 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, just deduction. <<< it was induction
< 1237336365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telia and telenor tried to merge once
< 1237336367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blipi:
< 1237336368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the new rules to Not the Game:
< 1237336369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1237336371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. You can start playing or stop playing Not the Game by announcing you do.
< 1237336373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. If you are playing Not the Game, you are not playing The Game.
< 1237336375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Not the Game takes precedence over every other game, including games (apart
< 1237336377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Not the Game) that specify other rules of precedence.
< 1237336379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1237336381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/new //, that was from 2007
< 1237336383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1237336385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008
< 1237336387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, just 2008-10
< 1237336389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later than I thought
< 1237336431 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing Not the Game
< 1237336432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you cannot remove the new now, the old new rules take precedence ;D
< 1237336440 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:
< 1237336443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1237336489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess you could stop playing first
< 1237336520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, that "new" is not technically part of the rules
< 1237336530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it
< 1237336556 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm off
< 1237336557 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later
< 1237336564 0 :Blipi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -"
< 1237336565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1237337108 0 :tromp_!n=tromp@rtc34-211.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237337130 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: what's the smallest known brainfuck interoreter?
< 1237337141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: the one in the BrainfuckInterpreter language
< 1237337145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes like this: x
< 1237337156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, seriously, well, that's not a simple question
< 1237337182 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, smallest non-cheating interpreter:)
< 1237337191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define cheating
< 1237337193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're pedants...)
< 1237337215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: well, there are interps that fit in 4 80-character lines
< 1237337217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sig sized)
< 1237337226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that 240-byte compiler, which is remarkable in that it is a compiler. And the redcode brainfuck interpreter, wasn't that pretty damn short?
< 1237337227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: are you _that_ john tromp?
< 1237337229 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating is necessaarily ill defined:( but often you know it when you see it. like with the BrainfuckInterpreter language
< 1237337243 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's me
< 1237337245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh, I knew that name was familiar!
< 1237337250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1237337264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://impomatic.blogspot.com/2009/01/brainf-interpreter-in-redcode.html  has the redcode thing. For an assembly language program, it's rather short.
< 1237337265 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wrote one that seems pretty short
< 1237337276 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 117 bytes
< 1237337283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1237337284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language?
< 1237337298 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lambda calculus
< 1237337309 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary lambda calculus to be precise
< 1237337310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1237337317 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237337324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really concise, for LC
< 1237337343 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, has anyone tried in LC before?
< 1237337347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of
< 1237337363 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something of a challenge:)
< 1237337368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: yours is probably the shortest interp
< 1237337401 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice testament to the power of LC
< 1237337405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1237337413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is the preferred language for enterprise deployment.
< 1237337430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1237337440 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a little sugar on top:)
< 1237337446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest C brainfuck I've seen has been 201 bytes, but I'm not sure if it's the shortest C one there is.
< 1237337474 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imine is actually more like 936 bits
< 1237337476 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine
< 1237337486 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just divide by 8 for convenience
< 1237337496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculously small.
< 1237337505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show it? :)
< 1237337517 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on my BLC wikipedia page
< 1237337541 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus#Turing_machines_in_BLC
< 1237337549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own C interp seems to be 265 bytes; the bloatedness.
< 1237337560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: very nice
< 1237337564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idae how that works at all :)
< 1237337593 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should show the haskell code i used as a guideline
< 1237337606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be neat :)
< 1237337610 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's infinitely more legible:)
< 1237337938 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does wikipedia have a verbatim environment?
< 1237337939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The redcode interpreter is 13 instructions, but it's a bit difficult to count the bits, since the instruction values are abstract sort of numbers, and the operand size is configurable; and in any case you might consider it a cheating one, as each brainfuck commands needs to be transformed to a single specific redcode instruction and appended to the interpreter program.
< 1237337953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58 tromp_: hmm, does wikipedia have a verbatim environment?            <- hm?
< 1237337970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12, not 13.)
< 1237338061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Wikipedia can do <pre>...</pre> for does-not-collapse-whitespace does-not-interpret-wiki-markup verbatimness.
< 1237338063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: try <nowiki><pre>...</pre></nowiki>
< 1237338075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, was that backwards
< 1237338093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page the <pre> tag already ignores Wiki markup.
< 1237338108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that or <pre><nowiki>...</nowiki></pre>
< 1237338116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not all, i think?
< 1237338142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no MediaWiki expert; the descriptions are identical, though.
< 1237338168 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems just indenting works to
< 1237338170 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1237338185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leading spaces won't stop Wiki markup parsing, though. Just the text reformatting.
< 1237338214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1237338245 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it looks ok to me. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus  with the haskell version added
< 1237338327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: you should be aware that article may risk being deleted for non-notability, though
< 1237338405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our wiki has no such requirement, though; your binary combinatory logic already has an article there
< 1237338432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binary_combinatory_logic
< 1237338475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well though so does wikipedia...
< 1237338488 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be happy to copy the blc article onto there as well
< 1237338525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1237338526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the licenses are different though (we are public domain)
< 1237338541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't matter as long as you're the author, of course
< 1237338785 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch; the esolang wiki doesn't do TeX?
< 1237338795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does <math> doesn't it?
< 1237338796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um right
< 1237338800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always there is something
< 1237338815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237338817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the WP article
< 1237338825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could replicate that with HTML pretty easily
< 1237338852 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any volunteers:-?
< 1237338865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :''λx<sub>0</sub> .'λx<sub>1</sub>.x<sub>0</sub>''
< 1237338870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the double single quotes
< 1237338872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the True
< 1237338886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put it on the esolang wiki I'll try to convert it
< 1237338894 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's onm there
< 1237338898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sweeps a "my" under the carpet ^U^U changes a "my" to "this"
< 1237338921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237338930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wp article
< 1237338937 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, where did it go?
< 1237338941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus <-- I don't see it
< 1237338968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This interpreter is a rough translation of the following version written in Haskell" was "My ..."
< 1237339004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: I'll copy it for you
< 1237339026 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks
< 1237339039 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said save page, answered a question, and then it wasnt there:(
< 1237339099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do we have captchas for non-registered users? i forget.
< 1237339104 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you got it alrd
< 1237339753 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man
< 1237339755 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grad school rocks
< 1237339756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1237339772 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the problem is that i have to update two copies of the page:(
< 1237339866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i wonder what sorts of computations can be computed using strictly binary lambdas.
< 1237339893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...all of them
< 1237339893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237339895 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are binary lambdas?
< 1237339902 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tromp_ asked
< 1237339962 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah. like.. \x,y -> ... with no pseudo binary higher orderedness
< 1237339977 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no \x -> \y -> ...
< 1237339984 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly binary functions.
< 1237340001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm just pass tuples?
< 1237340011 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can't you just use dummy parameters to mimic unary functions
< 1237340013 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're kind of grounded in identity functions:(
< 1237340018 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237340024 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1237340025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no ehird
< 1237340035 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im curious about the computational power of such things
< 1237340046 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about not even allowing binary lambdas
< 1237340073 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: please falsify mine
< 1237340084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you could i suppose
< 1237340085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1237340129 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have combinator S then you have everything
< 1237340133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x,y -> y) (\x,y -> y) 1
< 1237340135 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1237340146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the identity function, surely
< 1237340146 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237340159 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a binary application
< 1237340173 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: you also need k
< 1237340174 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that produces an identity.
< 1237340200 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is what you call binary lambda
< 1237340213 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1237340215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose because you can mimic unary lambdas with binary lambdas, they must be computationally equivalent
< 1237340246 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: psygnisfive didn't mean k by it
< 1237340257 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1237340259 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry
< 1237340265 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just misparsed your sentence
< 1237340282 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can represent true and false, but you can't compose functions, or make pairs?
< 1237340300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it does not seem overly difficult to just use dummies like oklofok says
< 1237340306 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define church numerals
< 1237340317 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the plus function?
< 1237340338 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or times?
< 1237340343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_ i do believe i just said they seem to be computationally equivalent to normal lambdas
< 1237340349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that there is still nothing preventing you from doing things like \x,y -> \z,w -> ...
< 1237340367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to write things down correctly :p
< 1237340373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function composition:
< 1237340378 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically applying a to x would be `x(a,_), and \x->... would be \x,_->...
< 1237340408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x to a
< 1237340415 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can't curry, and f(a,b) is used for calling f with a and b
< 1237340423 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes
< 1237340431 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did some variable name switcharoo)
< 1237340465 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fake \x \y \z with \x \y (\a a) \z
< 1237340466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposing f and g are pseudounary functions, and compose = \x,y -> \x',y' -> xx(yyy')
< 1237340507 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then f.g should be
< 1237340511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose f g
< 1237340535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then this would be applied to a dummy and a value
< 1237340549 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also disallow any nesting of more than 2 lambdas, which would forbid that
< 1237340557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1237340620 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask what functions can be written with de bruijn indices <= 2
< 1237340628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1237340636 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1237340646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what is unclear about what tromp_ is saying?
< 1237340679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything
< 1237340692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if he's even talking about the same things i a
< 1237340703 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can only the two variables bond by the 2 directly enclosing lambdass
< 1237340709 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only use
< 1237340717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1237340719 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237340721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you speaking english?
< 1237340732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: well there are other universal combinator sets
< 1237340738 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one only needs two
< 1237340744 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no it's finnish
< 1237340749 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be!
< 1237340761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres too few vowels and no umlauts
< 1237340761 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have a combinator on >= 3 arguments
< 1237340770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm interesting
< 1237340791 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting than that quantifier thing psygnisfive told me about yesterday
< 1237340792 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that has been proven necessary
< 1237340803 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, if it's necessary
< 1237340817 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not like it would be a millenium problem even if it was not solved
< 1237340824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in essence, no closures, i think
< 1237340830 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck are you people talking about, jesus.
< 1237340833 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237340840 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all on drugs, god
< 1237340869 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: elaborate
< 1237340874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if a lambda expression can only mention the variables of the innermost lambda
< 1237340882 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: two innermost
< 1237340895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes? go on?
< 1237340897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have no direct access to outer ones
< 1237340905 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say that at all
< 1237340917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say that the binary lambdas couldnt do that
< 1237340922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think anyone did, actually
< 1237340926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i don't think tromp_'s had anything to do with yours
< 1237340928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: we are trying to make a new restriction so it actually becomes interesting, duh
< 1237340946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so its got nothing to do with what i mentioned.
< 1237340947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we all agree yours is too easy to circumvent
< 1237340956 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it has LC and the number 2.
< 1237340961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1237340982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now since you have no access to outer lambdas, you in essence don't need full closures for your functions
< 1237340992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i think
< 1237340999 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry so whats the formalism you're proposing, oerjan?
< 1237341005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you only need access to the arguments
< 1237341008 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but you have access to the outer function, or am i misunderstanding something?
< 1237341055 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right "directly enclosing", so it's basically psygnisfive's but with a stronger limit
< 1237341077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples?
< 1237341078 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm sleep.
< 1237341082 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: never!
< 1237341083 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1237341089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night oklo
< 1237341090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1237341094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep well darling
< 1237341114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x,y -> (\a,b -> a b) (\c,d -> c) (x y) would be an example
< 1237341122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1237341145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like it would do nothing interesting
< 1237341160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x,y -> (\a,b -> a b b) (\c,d -> c) (x y y)
< 1237341168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to apply to pairs as well
< 1237341180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x,y -> (\a,b -> a b b) (\c,d -> c) (x y y) huh
< 1237341184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats
< 1237341205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an example of what's allowed
< 1237341206 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x,y -> (\c,d -> c) (x y y) (x y y)
< 1237341212 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x,y -> x y y
< 1237341238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.  i think reductions may preserve this property?
< 1237341261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what i mean is, that function you described is just "apply" :P
< 1237341289 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pseudo-unary functions.
< 1237341297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm just showing the syntax, don't expect it to be interesting yet.
< 1237341306 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what syntax?
< 1237341309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are no interesting functions definable this way
< 1237341340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x and y can only be mentioned on the top level inside \x,y
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< 1237341351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see what you mean.
< 1237341420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in essence _all_ lambda expressions are closed terms
< 1237341435 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that \x,y -> E, where, if E contains a lambda, that lambda cannot contain x or y inside it.
< 1237341453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1237341520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i think this removes closures.
< 1237341523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if an expression is applied, it must be to an even number of arguments
< 1237341525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think that's it, no?
< 1237341589 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need closures?
< 1237341603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. SKI doesnt have closures.
< 1237341605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1237341609 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, for K
< 1237341659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess in some sense you're limiting the calculus to whatever you can do with I and S
< 1237341672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually S too, when you partially apply it
< 1237341680 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough.
< 1237341683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1237341874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x,y -> x x y)(\x,y -> x x y)(\x,y -> x x y) <-- at least we have nontermination
< 1237341914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just \x,y -> x x x will do it for any second argument
< 1237341936 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x,y -> x x x) (\x,y -> x x x) _
< 1237341938 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just (\x x x)(\x x x) ?
< 1237341947 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that has no right hand side!
< 1237341954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x,y -> x x y)(\x,y -> x y x)(\x,y -> y x x)
< 1237341961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1237341997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: even number of arguments required
< 1237342009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right hand sides even more so :P
< 1237342079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right D
< 1237342082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1237342085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1237342086 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237342096 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
< 1237342105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE UP YOUR MIND
< 1237342142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Escher Smiley
< 1237342172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what kinds of computations can we have if we only can only have bound variables at the top levels of lambdas?
< 1237342177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just need to draw it on a mobius strip
< 1237342263 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can such a system be TC?
< 1237342286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we fake closure?
< 1237342307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the requirement that applications must be full is also important, i think
< 1237342358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is it
< 1237342367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets just look at normal LC
< 1237342370 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with top-level only
< 1237342427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think it is still preserved under reductions even if partially applied, at least leftmost ones?
< 1237342444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1237342476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]hm hm
< 1237342566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee we want top-level variables only but with arbitrary number (or at least two)
< 1237342584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \x y z -> x y z  would be allowed
< 1237342616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not
< 1237342629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a b c -> 1 2 3
< 1237342629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1237342653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if our reductions are outermost, then whatever we apply to will be closed
< 1237342679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey?
< 1237342720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i mean if we evaluate very lazily, then there are no free vars at that level
< 1237342745 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need some more experience with formal proofs really to determine the power of this system
< 1237342745 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1237342745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually SKI behaves that way
< 1237342752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, indeed
< 1237342769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lets see if we can reformulate it as a formal grammar
< 1237342775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that we can get closer to
< 1237342786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal language theory is easy to prove over i think maybe
< 1237342954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lets the official formal linguist ponder this
< 1237343554 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any hardcore brainfuck programmers out here?
< 1237343615 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus#BLC8:_byte_sized_I.2FO has a nice challenge for you....
< 1237343677 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_lambda_calculus#Brainfuck
< 1237344000 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god
< 1237344004 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you clean up that page?
< 1237344034 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean up how?
< 1237344050 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well before it was all <math> ... stuff
< 1237344066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whats this lambda stuff without variables?
< 1237344093 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls follow the link to read up on De Bruijn indices
< 1237344136 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replace variables by a count of how far out it's binding lambda is
< 1237344142 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its
< 1237344169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1237344182 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \x\y x becomes \ \ 2
< 1237344191 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \x.x = \1, \x.\y.x = \\2
< 1237344193 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1237344196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see
< 1237344197 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1237344216 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1237344222 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite useful
< 1237344260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting indeed
< 1237344387 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if theres any insights that can be gained from this.. HMM
< 1237344809 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going home. g'night folks
< 1237344817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1237350864 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1237350880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm
< 1237350893 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could write something for FUSE that can mount tarballs
< 1237351134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar is not meant to be random access, so you would keep a cache of offsets in the tar
< 1237352141 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ~ has 62,000 files in it, so an 64 bit offset will take .5MB of ram
< 1237352268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it could.
< 1237352294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURD has tarfs...
< 1237352321 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed tarball would be more interesting
< 1237352351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick the bzip2 translator on a tar file and then mount it with tarfs.
< 1237352353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1237352365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating
< 1237352381 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have enough disk space to store the uncompressed version
< 1237352412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And the bzip2 translator doesn't store the uncompressed version on disk.
< 1237352427 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it's also not natively seekable
< 1237352433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very fast.
< 1237352437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1237352547 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a better idea than the quadratic time algorithm?
< 1237352614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use bzip2, dummy? :p
< 1237352648 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip is the same way...
< 1237352781 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you can cache compression contexts
< 1237352795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Seekable compression of some sort... Not exactly common for typical lossless compression formats.
< 1237352823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the would be on the order of ~32kb
< 1237353035 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't need to be truly seekable, because we can make one pass over it
< 1237353050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to build some index information
< 1237353339 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something like simple huffman coding, you just have to store offsets
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< 1237363077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSE has got avfs (which mounts "tar and gzip files, zip, bzip2, ar and rar files"; fuse.gunzip for transparent decompression of gzip; archivemount which allows "mounting of cpio, .tar.gz, .tar.bz2 archives. Reading and writing supported."
< 1237363085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them might be horribly slow, though.
< 1237363126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen one seekable bzip2 variant, done in the obvious way (reset of the bzip2 context every N bytes, plus an index of offsets to beginning of blocks).
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< 1237363359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very fast if you seek around a lot and read x << N (much-less-than, not bitshift) bytes here and there.
< 1237364090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237364115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuy
< 1237364125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wwy
< 1237364874 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1237365361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Optimis dentibus"
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< 1237369625 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237370196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1237370200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1237370318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, awesome project name: http://code.google.com/p/google-thingbrowser/
< 1237370333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thingbrowser?
< 1237370333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what it actually does
< 1237370340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browses things, obviously
< 1237370353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "The Thing Browser is a framework for loosely coupled components -- eventually, distributed objects -- that can be intuitively and securely composed by end-users."
< 1237370369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, that's marketingspeak
< 1237370372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea what it does in English?
< 1237370376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1237370393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I also think it is written in java
< 1237370400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway I like the project name
< 1237370413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being written in Java doesn't automatically make something bad...
< 1237370422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true
< 1237370485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While being written in an esoteric language automatically *does* make something good.
< 1237370516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better than it would be otherwise, at least
< 1237370518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is a lot more text on http://code.google.com/p/google-thingbrowser/ about it
< 1237370534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes either fizzie or ais523 can decode it
< 1237370551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoding marketingspeak hurts my brain, I'm not even sure if I dare look at it right now
< 1237370575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't speak marketing.
< 1237370588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only can with great effort, well read it not speak it
< 1237370592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading marketing is like reading machine code
< 1237370606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, without a disassembler?
< 1237370618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of with a disassembler, but it's buggy
< 1237370631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237370668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read disassembled x86 pretty well. At least if it is in AT&T syntax.
< 1237370673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read intel syntax
< 1237370686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read marketing very well either, and I have that presentation in three hours and still haven't designed that homework for the listeners. :p
< 1237370696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read both asm syntaxes, although I get confused between them
< 1237370715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go do it then?
< 1237370760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait? I thought you were a student?
< 1237370790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, this is a seminar course, and each presenter must design (and grade) a short homework-style thing for the others.
< 1237370803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237370804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's a clever ploy by the course organizers to get by with less work.
< 1237370808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how many people are on it?
< 1237370818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing one homework for each other person in your class must be pretty awful
< 1237370839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just 12, if I counted right. And the homework should be something that "does not take more than half an hour to answer".
< 1237370861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you'll be spending a little under 5 and a half hours doing it then
< 1237370922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, in theory. In fact I haven't actually answered the homework thing given by last week's presentation-doer yet either; should do that too.
< 1237370979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the ten-page article and the presentation slides are sort-of finished, so I'm not completely... what is the idiom? Screwed?
< 1237371020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screwed is one possibility, yes
< 1237371616 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237371876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1237372063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ <-- wow
< 1237372211 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 and a half hours of homework is less than pretty much any of our courses have
< 1237372216 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the ones that don't have homework
< 1237372238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The homework in this one is supposed to be a pretty small part of the overall work-to-do.
< 1237372252 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's more like 2-4 per week for the 6 weeks (or something) the courses last
< 1237372259 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237372407 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. gotta go read my booker ->
< 1237372582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your bookie.
< 1237373456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The homework, it is done. (I mean the questions for others, not the one given by last week's guy.) And with something like two hours to spare. Now I should print dead-tree copies for everyone of both my slides and the actual article; that's something like 15*(10+4) pages, even if I print the slides with four-slides-per-page.
< 1237373767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; the instructiomotions have been changed, and it's now only the slides. I guess that makes more sense.
< 1237374318 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1237374326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the last guy's question?
< 1237374336 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can probably solve it with a glance
< 1237374340 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz i know my signals.
< 1237374350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*at)
< 1237374433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about microphone arrays for speech recognition, and it's a pretty free-form question; we're meant to pick one application that actually uses that stuff, and then answer (a) how many microphones, (b) in what sort of array and (c) what are they used for.
< 1237374496 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-121-201.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237374526 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is just a hunch but (a) 7 (b) an array of 7 (c) speech recognition
< 1237374557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the help, but I think I'll write a slightly different answer here.
< 1237374578 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i guess you don't learn if you cheat
< 1237374727 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay coffees are done, maybe some more readings, of the bookie ->
< 1237374732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookance
< 1237374902 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1237374920 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1237374926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spilled all of my coffee on a pile of papers
< 1237374933 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i get to make more coffee!
< 1237374935 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237374938 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is so awesome
< 1237375116 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237375251 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1237376613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/
< 1237381236 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Proclamation of invalidity!"
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< 1237385254 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1237385259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1237385272 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you ?
< 1237385283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly tired, slightly overworked
< 1237385320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, presentation done; now to listen to the other speaker for today.
< 1237385322 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1237387560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I had an almost exactly 30 minutes (the time given in the specification) long talk even though I did slides for it half-asleep at 03am and didn't prepare the actual presentationary part even once.
< 1237387628 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/real_life_spiderman_paralyzed.php
< 1237387652 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're a scientsist now, get used to it
< 1237387703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL seems to suggest that a spiderman got paralyzed, but it was in fact almost the opposite.
< 1237387707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems from the Slashdot discussion that the spider was probably irrelevant in that, but it makes a good story
< 1237387717 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol fizzie
< 1237387740 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the URL are misleading
< 1237387933 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"great now everybody's gonna try it" :D
< 1237387952 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1237387970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next: a three-page report in Swedish, delivered tomorrow. Maybe I could subcontract AnMaster or someone to do it...
< 1237388027 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have about 500 pages to read until monday!
< 1237388051 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming this is a topping contest
< 1237388070 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you swedish or are you just learning swedish ?
< 1237388106 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think either
< 1237388188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, technically speaking I guess I should be learning it. There is an obligatory Swedish exam part of our study curriculum (it's in the law, even), and I thought I'd get it done easier by doing it in course form.
< 1237388208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what nationality are you?
< 1237388213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish.
< 1237388226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bilingual country.
< 1237388233 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1237388276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.6 % actually speak Swedish, but everyone's supposed to be able to.
< 1237388392 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ime most people are
< 1237388397 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to some extent)
< 1237388423 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237388497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess so.
< 1237388516 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to Sweden during February, it's a great place
< 1237388739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[translated from the assignment] "Before you start writing you should make sure you understand the *purpose* for your report. *Why* are you writing it and *to whom* is it meant for?" I have a hunch for most the answers are "because it is required of us" and "to the teacher".
< 1237388755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, typical teachers
< 1237388796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we were also instructed to avoid writing it so that it looks like it's written for the teacher to read.
< 1237388822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do this work, and also come up with a plausible reason for doing it unrelated to this course!
< 1237389070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1237389100 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237389260 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237390082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:59 AnMaster: ais523, "The Thing Browser is a framework for loosely coupled components -- eventually, distributed objects -- that can be intuitively and securely composed by end-users."
< 1237390091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that sort of makes sense…
< 1237390102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that doesn't prevent it being marketingspeak though
< 1237390114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, composing objects is like feeding the result of a function into another, pretty much, like composing "addition", "text form field" and "label" to make an addition-calculator app thingy
< 1237390130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the distributed thing means the components'll go over the interwebs eventually
< 1237390140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the intuitive part means, uh, you can use a gooey interface to do it
< 1237390245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google- part means google own it :P
< 1237390403 0 :tromp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1237390624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what is the thing useful for? It doesn't say really
< 1237390635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1237390641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does certain things, I just described what they are
< 1237390651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what to do with them is, presumably, your problem.
< 1237390666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1237390670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsflash: Google develop complicated thingbrowser technology, are waiting for AnMaster to tell them what to do with it
< 1237390677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was looking for something else when I ran into that project
< 1237390678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237390684 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1237390690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_0CHRWCFx4w&refer=home
< 1237390691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1237390696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibm buying sun
< 1237390706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks date
< 1237390707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not finalised yet
< 1237390708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not yet...
< 1237390715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it's recent news
< 1237390722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I say bought
< 1237390735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Dell have announced a laptop that's suspiciously similar to a macbook air, but worse
< 1237390753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always the innovator
< 1237390753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1237390758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1237390758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ugly
< 1237390758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also my "checks date" was a reference to 1 April
< 1237390764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah :P
< 1237390810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I didn't think there could be a stupider laptop than the macbook air
< 1237390813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I've been proven wrong.
< 1237390828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, it's also more expensive and less powerfu
< 1237390830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*powerful
< 1237390837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... power-fu sounds kind-of impressive
< 1237390859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also probably heavier
< 1237390873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1237390887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, why on earth :P
< 1237390900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does have a few things that the macbook air doesn't, like bluray drives
< 1237390915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blu-ray? you mean that thing nobody uses?
< 1237390927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the macbook air doesn't even have a cd drive...
< 1237390929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is starting to catch on, at least more people use it than its rivals
< 1237390937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly for watching films
< 1237390943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it only had one rival and they dropped out :P
< 1237390947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is better than no cd drive indeed.
< 1237390950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a macbook-air-like thing strikes me as not being ideal for filmwatching
< 1237390959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you upgrade the OS on macbook air?
< 1237390961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're meant to buy the films from itunes
< 1237390964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or install another one?
< 1237390981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it support network booting or such?
< 1237390984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Plug it via usb into another computer, put in upgrade CD. Or, use software update to install a minor upgrade.
< 1237390988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably it supports Parallels
< 1237390999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get USB CD drives
< 1237391004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just have the OS on a USB stick
< 1237391010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can buy an external cd drive
< 1237391032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I remember now, the one you couldn't use with anything else and didn't work if you used an usb hub
< 1237391033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1237391039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237391050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, dunno about the hub hting
< 1237391052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably the former
< 1237391065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the Macbook air's target market is tinkerers
< 1237391089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I remember there was some external usb based CD drive that apple released a month or so after the macbook air. IIRC it didn't work if you did: air - hub - cd drive, only like: air - cd drive
< 1237391104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apple did something weird to make it unusable with anything but air
< 1237391108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the superdrive; that's quite possible about the hub, odd though
< 1237391120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a superdrive like a mighty mouse?
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< 1237391137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that name is really old; it used to mean the floppy drives
< 1237391145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SuperDrive is a trademark used by Apple Inc. for two different storage drives: from 1988–1999 to refer to a high-density floppy disk drive capable of reading all major 3.5" disk formats"
< 1237391154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Applesuperdrive.png <- Macbook air thang
< 1237391161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly big
< 1237391164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one major 3.5 inch disk format nowadays
< 1237391171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there were more back then
< 1237391182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's no major floppy formats nowadays
< 1237391189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're completely dead
< 1237391222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I've been known to use floppies to transfer files from my windows 95 computer to my windows XP computer, or vice versa
< 1237391228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "windows 95"
< 1237391231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also dead :P
< 1237391232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, iphone os 3.0 will finally offer system-wide cut, copy and paste. how *revolutionary*.
< 1237391235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A SuperDrive was an option for this iBook I didn't get, since I already had a DVD burninator. Now it's a completely superless drive.
< 1237391247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although for really big transfers I use XPDT, it's a program I wrote specifically for the task of transferring files between windows XP and windows 95
< 1237391256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the only cd drives apple sells now are superdrives
< 1237391263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does the dell one have ethernet?
< 1237391264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does it do?
< 1237391278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fairly useful, like when you are configuring your wireless access point
< 1237391288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just splurges the data through a serial port as fast as possible
< 1237391294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1237391295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with minimal protocol involved
< 1237391304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why on earth would you use wireless on a desktop machine
< 1237391305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works about 2/3 of the time
< 1237391306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so slow for that
< 1237391317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the time, packets get dropped and it doesn't notice
< 1237391318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, compared to ethernet the speed is excruciating
< 1237391319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err talking about the dell laptop
< 1237391322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1237391323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone has more than one computer
< 1237391331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either
< 1237391332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1237391335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what if a person only has a macbook air
< 1237391338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't.
< 1237391346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's your only computer you're not in the target market
< 1237391353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the Dell laptop's got the etherweb.
< 1237391354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237391385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the target market mainly consists of, well, people who go to starbucks, order a latte while reading pitchfork reviews. As far as I can tell.
< 1237391412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was aimed at people who like to think they're stylish and have a lot of disposable income
< 1237391418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that one nifty proggie (magelink?) that did file transfer over IPX networks. Useful since TCP/IP networking in DOS is always a bit iffy.
< 1237391445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a superset of what I said
< 1237391456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a remote binary diff program that could be used even when the two files you were diffing were on different computers that weren't connected in any way at all
< 1237391475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook air lets you choose your own colours; I'm going to go configure one like Hot Dog Stand.
< 1237391481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, design
< 1237391484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did LapLink do serial lines too? (The parallel port laplink connection was faster, at least.)
< 1237391528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, that's a third party case
< 1237391546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly of me to think that apple would let a user tarnish their design! :P
< 1237391557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh, and SMODEM, now *that* was a revolutionary idea. You could do BBS-chatting *while downloading a file*, instead of just looking at the ZMODEM file download dialog for two hours.
< 1237391601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then your download would take four hours so you preferred to just stare anyway
< 1237391624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't; was it really a lot slower?
< 1237391659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring more to the fact that you're using up bandwidth for the chatting
< 1237391680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually used BBSs back in the day (only a few times late in the day) so I don't know
< 1237391686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1237391714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the chatting really didn't use that much bandwidth.
< 1237391730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bandwidth of a human/keyboard combination is pretty low, after all.
< 1237391742 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237391749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always protocol overhead.
< 1237391764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much if it's a simple one.
< 1237391798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I wrote a remote binary diff program that could be used even when the two files you were diffing were on different computers that weren't connected in any way at all <-- how did it work? Checksum of blocks?
< 1237391834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, checksum
< 1237391839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smodem is also (according to Wikipedia) more efficient than Zmodem anyway, so maybe the chatting overhead just evens the scales.
< 1237391852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that you had to enter manually on the other computer or something?
< 1237391870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, both computers displayed checksums, you merely had to compare them
< 1237391875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, same or different
< 1237391882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237391923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm did it use binary search?
< 1237391933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I got an interesting idea just now...
< 1237391943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, binary search
< 1237391943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1237391944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1237391947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aha
< 1237391948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the idea anyway?
< 1237391953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread
< 1237391959 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1237391981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "checksum file", ask user if same, if not display checksum for each half of the file, ask users which parts are different
< 1237391991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may end up with more than one different block of course
< 1237392003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not exactly binary search, but a related concept
< 1237392013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1237392016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related in that it's a search?
< 1237392018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the search from both ends to find where the different block starts and end
< 1237392018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1237392019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ends
< 1237392027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit
< 1237392029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parrot 1.0 is out
< 1237392033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................................................
< 1237392034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: |
< 1237392034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was going to mention that to you
< 1237392039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::                  |
< 1237392039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mentioned it to me first
< 1237392043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              |             :
< 1237392044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same idea as git bisect
< 1237392056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is me stretching out in time, then going faster than light thus warping backwards)
< 1237392058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, parrot? as in perl6!?
< 1237392059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|                     :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
< 1237392061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?!!
< 1237392061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> >>>>><<<<<
< 1237392063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**BAM**
< 1237392063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, just the VM
< 1237392066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1237392066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1237392067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .
< 1237392067 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-109-251.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237392068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  .
< 1237392069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   .
< 1237392069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was scared there
< 1237392071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    .
< 1237392073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   .
< 1237392075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......
< 1237392075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  .
< 1237392076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still scores quite highly on hell-freezes-over stakes
< 1237392077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1237392082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1237392082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed.
< 1237392087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metadies, rather; I'm still a ghost.
< 1237392092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1237392094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehirdghostghost
< 1237392099 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metawhooooh
< 1237392101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, a ghost with bad memory :P
< 1237392114 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up or I'll metawalkrightthroughyou.
< 1237392171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that a bat managed to get into space
< 1237392178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hitching a lift on the outside of a space shuttle
< 1237392187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it died?
< 1237392190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume
< 1237392193 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1237392194 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooo
< 1237392196 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it survived fine
< 1237392198 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a ridiculous question
< 1237392204 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean seriously.
< 1237392207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nobody's quite sure
< 1237392216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's an offchance it's dormant, cryogenically preserved
< 1237392230 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, frozen != cryogenically preserved
< 1237392232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but death does seem like a likely option for an animal catching a ride on the outside of a space shuttle
< 1237392243 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's cryopreservant in space
< 1237392245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah *thinks about re-entry*
< 1237392305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Anonymous Coward> 30 feet off the pad the engines gave out and the bat carried them into orbit.
< 1237392326 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237392332 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys
< 1237392340 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will MATT WRIGHT'S CGI ARCHIVE scripts work in perl6/parrot?
< 1237392347 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ??
< 1237392352 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my business depends on formmail
< 1237392360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1237392366 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1237392370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably have to run them through 5to6 first
< 1237392375 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking ;_;
< 1237392396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah
< 1237392424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is a 5to6? It sounds like a parody of the Python 2to3...
< 1237392431 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... parody?
< 1237392431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course there is
< 1237392437 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, <version>to<version>! hahahahaahaha!
< 1237392441 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so funny
< 1237392451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, well I wonder what will happen when python 6 is released
< 1237392455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5to6 came first IIRC, although obviously it hasn't been released
< 1237392459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there be two 5to6 then
< 1237392469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by then we'll have invented something better than numbers
< 1237392470 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that'll never happen
< 1237392473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and numbers will be obsolete
< 1237392482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, oh?
< 1237392496 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue moons get tired of waiting for python's major releases
< 1237392519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, it is still way shorter than waiting for perl major releases!
< 1237392532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just 6 in particular that's slow
< 1237392539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1237392541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's such an insane project
< 1237392545 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, perl major releases are fast until 6
< 1237392556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/were/?
< 1237392557 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider, it got to 5 in, what, 10 years?
< 1237392566 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's been around for 10 years
< 1237392568 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only got to 3
< 1237392580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1237392588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, perl must be older than that?
< 1237392598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's that old?
< 1237392602 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl: 1988
< 1237392605 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: 1990
< 1237392617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised
< 1237392621 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, python 1991
< 1237392627 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 18
< 1237392630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perl caught on a lot faster than python did, it seems
< 1237392631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, that is nowhere near 10 years indeed
< 1237392637 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... yes it is?
< 1237392639 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 18 years
< 1237392643 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1237392644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, that is closer to 20
< 1237392651 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fine
< 1237392656 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 18 years and python's up to 3
< 1237392666 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 (it's 1987) years and perl's up to 5
< 1237392675 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, perl 5 came out in the 90s
< 1237392694 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl hit v5 at 6 years old
< 1237392699 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyway, python's major releases are slow.
< 1237392702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, perl show a non-linear release interval
< 1237392717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should plot both perl and python releases
< 1237392719 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time 6 is out development will have been dropped due to the singularity causing the best programming language conceivable to be created :P
< 1237392722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some interesting way
< 1237392725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at fizzie
< 1237392739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost: but what if that language /is/ Perl6?
< 1237392746 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: holy shit, you're on to something
< 1237392754 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet one of perl6's features is so advanced it needs strong AI to implement
< 1237392758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1237392762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they made some changes
< 1237392764 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I bet perl6's first complete implementation will be released in 2012
< 1237392769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the syntax is no longer TC
< 1237392771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, no. It isn't strong AI. It is something worse
< 1237392772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1237392773 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, guys, somebody kill larry wall, quickly! :P
< 1237392777 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: strong AI isn't good or bad
< 1237392783 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "real" AI
< 1237392801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, Perl 5 == TC grammar. And ais523 said "the syntax is no longer TC"... Right. It is Super-TC
< 1237392805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it takes so long
< 1237392812 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shit*
< 1237392812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they made it actually parsable
< 1237392817 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop ruining our fun
< 1237392820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, they're maintaining a regexp that parses the whole thing
< 1237392821 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's AnMaster's job
< 1237392824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of insane in itself
< 1237392839 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, perl6 regexps are really full contextual grammars
< 1237392843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1237392843 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a verboser syntax, right/
< 1237392847 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the // is just shorthand
< 1237392849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, and I heard some rumours about trunk containing a non-euclidean parser to manage it
< 1237392851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilst simultaneously still being regexps
< 1237392866 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, they're certainly not regular (they're far more powerful), and since they have the full syntax they're not "expressions" either
< 1237392873 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so // is a regex, what you're talking about is a perl6 parser
< 1237392880 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just so happens that regexs turn into perl6 parsers on evaluation
< 1237392885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... they still work much the same way as, say, cyclexa
< 1237392894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or PCRE
< 1237392896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I agree with ehirdghostghost, stop ruining the fun
< 1237392905 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:14 AnMaster: ais523, also I agree with ehirdghostghost, stop ruining the fun
< 1237392909 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will treasure this forever.
< 1237392920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and on the same day as parrot's released too
< 1237392923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe hell really has frozen over
< 1237392928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or worse
< 1237392938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION awaits someone coming in and announcing a BF interp written in Malbolge
< 1237392944 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better start being a good christian; I was fine with Hell because hey, it's warm right?
< 1237392963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, yes, all computers overheat there.
< 1237392969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway heaven is warmer.
< 1237392969 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1237392977 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Hell, newly-frozen, is the ultimate way to overclock
< 1237393000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remember reading some joke proof based on combining quotations from the bible with physical laws to calculate the temperature in heaven and hell
< 1237393002 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventy core 60ghz? no problem, just stick a 286 in Hell
< 1237393011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on #esoteric could people try to figure out ways to take advantage of hell freezing over
< 1237393018 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1237393019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1237393130 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1237393140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hell.htm (it also has another proof showing that hell is even hotter)
< 1237393163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going home, bye everyone"
< 1237393181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1237393301 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Duke Nukem Forever will be written in Perl6.
< 1237393308 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some parts in raw Parrot for speed.
< 1237393319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1237393433 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I hope duke nukem forever is really really good. it better be.
< 1237393608 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"."
< 1237393997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1237394021 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmm.
< 1237394064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it sounds like perl 6 is suffering second system syndrome
< 1237394071 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very
< 1237394098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be the issue with DNF too I guess.
< 1237394112 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that to a game? I'm not sure
< 1237394155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, iirc DNF was a non-first game in a series of duke nukem?
< 1237394165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was awkward
< 1237394169 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was/is/
< 1237394174 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yes, except
< 1237394184 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it applies to a game
< 1237394205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, so you want to make a better game next time. That looks even better and with even more levels/maps/items/enemies/whatever
< 1237394217 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true
< 1237394232 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that, second system effect for games makes them better
< 1237394236 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For software it makes it worse
< 1237394238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like potential SSS there...
< 1237394250 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For games you get rabidly perfected gameplay; for software you get bloat
< 1237394254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. wut?
< 1237394258 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen a game I could call bloated
< 1237394264 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In games, bloat = more expansiveness
< 1237394265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game is not a subgroup of software?
< 1237394271 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes...
< 1237394276 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant non-game software.
< 1237394278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237394302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, I think a game that doesn't fit on a single DVD is bloated.
< 1237394318 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's entirely irrelevant to the actual gameplay
< 1237394325 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In gameplay, bloat is meaningless
< 1237394330 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not bloat, it's expansiveness
< 1237394337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, well depends. You need a very powerful computer to handle a bloated game
< 1237394350 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not related to gameplay
< 1237394356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember those demos back when DOS was the common OS?
< 1237394374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them seemed to have better graphics than games released a few years later...
< 1237394390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were way smaller
< 1237394399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure a demo is more limited in scope yes
< 1237394404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so...
< 1237394422 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1237394425 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demos are very impressive
< 1237394440 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The demoscene is just awesome
< 1237394462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I remember seeing quite fast real time software ray tracing. Low resolution compared to what we are used to these days, but still
< 1237394472 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you watched any of the modern (post-2000) demos? They have the best 3d graphics I've ever seen; really realistic
< 1237394481 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's crazy
< 1237394492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, no I haven't really.
< 1237394496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any specific ones you recommend?
< 1237394509 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'll try and dig up one I really liked
< 1237394512 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme a few minutes
< 1237394522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, do you need dosbox or something? Or is there a video of it
< 1237394534 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to link to a video site; it uses flash but you could just extract the link
< 1237394544 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is way above DOS's capabilities
< 1237394553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unless it was that one you used where it was embedded inside the swf
< 1237394564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, so what hardware do they use then?
< 1237394573 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows, mostly
< 1237394579 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modern-3d ones
< 1237394588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were two errors in that
< 1237394605 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237394609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither windows nor dos are hardware
< 1237394621 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware was what you said
< 1237394623 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it was a typo
< 1237394627 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said hardware after I said DOS
< 1237394693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, well the "then" should have been removed indeed
< 1237394703 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1237394705 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular hardware :P
< 1237394732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, well, regular for today or for 2 years ago?
< 1237394746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'll let you dig up that link
< 1237394748 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have minimal system requirements, almost always
< 1237394775 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm trying to find the playback site
< 1237394780 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe pouet.net has something
< 1237394844 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to a .MOD while doing it for authenticity
< 1237394849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, well I know of ways how to tune programs to run very fast on amd64 but slow on intel core 2. And vice verse. So a demo tuned on an amd cpu could potentially be way slower on intel. And the reverse too
< 1237394852 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God, Just ignore the fact that I'm using OS X please.
< 1237394869 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but you don't understand; the demoscene tries to do the most with so little
< 1237394876 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so system requirements are basically never an issue
< 1237394879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.47:31 <ehirdghostghost> Dear God, Just ignore the fact that I'm using OS X please. <-- I will treasure this forever.
< 1237394885 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1237394962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, a pitty you need a dos/windows feel rather than oldstyle-unix feel. Otherwise I would ask you if it was possible to compile mosaic on OS X
< 1237394976 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably is possible.
< 1237394981 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With X11, of course.
< 1237394987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, it uses motif
< 1237394992 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1237395044 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll grep my old Adium logs for it; I linked someone else to i
< 1237395045 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1237395049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1237395155 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% grep -i 'demo' **/*.chatlog
< 1237395155 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: argument list too long: grep
< 1237395160 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1237395236 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I wonder what to do now.
< 1237395290 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thoughts?
< 1237395528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1237395549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, find . -name '*.chatlog' -exec grep -i demo {} +
< 1237395559 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't print out the name :P
< 1237395560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, you may need to quote something in that for zsh
< 1237395561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1237395564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, it will
< 1237395569 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it will?
< 1237395569 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1237395573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, the + there? see it?
< 1237395576 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237395606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, it tells find to "pass as many files in each invocation of the command as you can without getting argument list too long"
< 1237395617 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1237395643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, so it is possible if you just get one file in the last chunk that there will be no filename
< 1237395648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most likely not
< 1237395697 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1237395704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, also that won't happen on linux btw. Linux dynamically decides the size that can be used for the argument list.
< 1237395712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some ulimit setting for it iirc
< 1237395718 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it could go into the shell
< 1237395724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, ?
< 1237395728 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it an OS-wide limitation?
< 1237395732 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so that's stupid
< 1237395755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, it is a limit you can check the value of with sysconf()
< 1237395764 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes.
< 1237395773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ getconf ARG_MAX
< 1237395773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2097152
< 1237395775 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ulimit
< 1237395775 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlimited
< 1237395779 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me feel reassured.
< 1237395785 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll search further; I like being unlimited. :P
< 1237395788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, unlimited what?
< 1237395793 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Unlimited.
< 1237395798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulimit handle several things
< 1237395799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember
< 1237395804 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; they're unlimited.
< 1237395806 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look!
< 1237395807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all no
< 1237395811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1237395812 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:03 ehirdghostghost: I don't think I'll search further; I like being unlimited. :P
< 1237395816 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP DESTROYING MY REASSURANCE :|
< 1237395887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the argument count in ulimit here, *greps kernel sources*
< 1237395969 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, finding this link is hard
< 1237396055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1237396058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack size limit
< 1237396064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              Since Linux 2.6.23, this limit also determines the amount of space used for the process's command-line arguments and  environment  variables;  for  details,  see
< 1237396064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              execve(2).
< 1237396074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLIMIT_STACK
< 1237396102 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rootkit code to exploit major Intel chip flaw to be posted 3/19/09"
< 1237396107 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck.
< 1237396113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, where?
< 1237396114 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got a spare AMD chip?
< 1237396121 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/39825
< 1237396147 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The heart-stopping thing about this particular exploit is that it hides itself in the SMM space. To put that into perspective, SMM is more privileged than a hypervisor is and it's not controllable by any Operating System."
< 1237396167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, you still need to be ring 0 to do it it seems
< 1237396211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad yes, but you need to be able to get your code to execute in ring 0.
< 1237396241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SMM... very nasty and hard to detect indeed
< 1237396331 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so tired of typing 'tar xzf' and dealing with zipbombs and blarrrgh; I think I'll write a program that lets me do 'unwrap <foo>' and it figures everything out for me.
< 1237396346 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, OS X handles tarbombs
< 1237396352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, hm I think I saw such a program
< 1237396359 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's one file, it puts it in the same dir
< 1237396363 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it makes a folder for them
< 1237396377 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can it handle stuffit expander files? i hate them so fucking much
< 1237396392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, probably not, I don't even remember the name of the program...
< 1237396397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches
< 1237396436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[N] app-arch/unp (1.0.14): Script for unpacking various file formats
< 1237396436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unp.html
< 1237396439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1237396442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbs
< 1237397110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1237397195 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll write it.
< 1237397222 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to find open source expanders to wrap, though.
< 1237397289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, apart from stuffit that should be rather simple
< 1237397303 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Yes.
< 1237397316 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Stuffit support is quite important to me; it's an irritatingly common format.
< 1237397320 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not too common; still.
< 1237397361 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, sourceforge is down.
< 1237397399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax/tar + bzip2/gzip/lzma, zip/unzip, p7zip (7z for *nix), cpio, unrar
< 1237397404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you don't care about shar
< 1237397415 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's that from?
< 1237397419 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1237397424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdated format
< 1237397428 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problems:
< 1237397431 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unzip/unrar aren't open source
< 1237397435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, oh hm true
< 1237397450 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I could just depend on them anyway, but it'd be nice to have them open source
< 1237397478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, http://search.cpan.org/dist/Archive-Zip ?
< 1237397501 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be usable; It'd be nice to have something a bit less perl though
< 1237397512 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles
< 1237397520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, http://zziplib.sourceforge.net/ ?
< 1237397535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://common-lisp.net/project/zip/ ?
< 1237397545 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it
< 1237397546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nih.at/libzip/ ?
< 1237397547 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found something
< 1237397547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1237397550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow at that url
< 1237397553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nih...
< 1237397557 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1237397580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, this is bzip2. In parallel. http://compression.ca/pbzip2/ ?
< 1237397589 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…parallel?
< 1237397591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just found it in his package manager
< 1237397603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, multi-core it seems
< 1237397612 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sj.
< 1237397613 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah
< 1237397651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yjod od omytrdyomh
< 1237397687 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not interesting :P
< 1237397687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idomh sm pggdry pg pmr
< 1237397697 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pggdry pg pmr. Sounds jabberwocky.
< 1237397723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, you mean the author was a time traveler?!
< 1237397731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yes, didn't IWC say so a while back?
< 1237397745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? I forgot the details
< 1237397756 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237397789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, the pirates and the english sailors used that phone booth to time travel before the end of the universe. Remember?
< 1237397801 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read IWC.
< 1237397801 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Info-ZIP supports hardware from microcomputers all the way up to Cray supercomputers, running on almost all versions of Unix, VMS, OS/2, Windows 9x/NT/etc. (a.k.a. Win32), Windows 3.x, Windows CE, MS-DOS, AmigaDOS, Atari TOS, Acorn RISC OS, BeOS, Mac OS, SMS/QDOS, MVS and OS/390 OE, VM/CMS, FlexOS, Tandem NSK and Human68K (Japanese). There is also some (old) support for LynxOS, TOPS-20, AOS/VS and Novell NLMs. Shared libraries (DLLs) are availa
< 1237397805 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ble for Unix, OS/2, Win32 and Win16, and graphical interfaces are available for Win32, Win16, WinCE and Mac OS.
< 1237397808 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ good lord what the fuck
< 1237397811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they run into Lewis Carroll
< 1237397813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1237397836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1237397841 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lewis caroll was awesome.
< 1237397867 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway info-zip seems to be open source, maybe
< 1237397881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, yes, but he can't possibly have known about qwerty layout and used offset of one on the layout to create jabberwocky.
< 1237397885 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess I'll ask Phil Katz about the license :-D
< 1237397886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he was a time traveler
< 1237397891 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bad-taste
< 1237397930 0 :tromp!n=tromp@rtc34-211.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237398053 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of 2007, the latest sources and binaries for Zip, UnZip, WiZ and MacZip (including encryption code) are available only at Info-ZIP's SourceForge site.
< 1237398059 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so unzip _is_ open source
< 1237398084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh xkcd today. I had a dream like that a few weeks after finishing high school...
< 1237398091 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tromp
< 1237398108 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was used on itself and it like... opened it
< 1237398128 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry my brain has gas
< 1237398130 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would this place be without oklofok attempting to match oerjan's puns
< 1237398326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just a ghost town
< 1237398404 0 :tromp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi , ehird
< 1237398854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About file names, GNU grep (and I assume at least some others) has the -H (or --with-filename) flag for always printing the filename even given a single file argument.
< 1237400420 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237400561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl in a few hours
< 1237403620 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@cpc2-stkn13-2-0-cust73.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237405211 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1237405233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Örjan Ekeberg" the same thing as "our" oerjan?
< 1237405247 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1237405251 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's oerjan johannsen or something
< 1237405271 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Øerjan Johansen.
< 1237405275 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1237405277 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan
< 1237405277 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc
< 1237405300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, this one is a .se person anyway. Never-mind.
< 1237405403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've realized from the Ö/Ø thing anyway. You just never know with computar scientsists.
< 1237406259 0 :ehirdghostghost!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you there?
< 1237406448 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2"
< 1237407881 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-109.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237408754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The binart LC article is all fucked up for the wiki code
< 1237408773 0 :k!n=kar8nga@a-3.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237408793 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1237408795 0 :k!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kar8nga
< 1237408943 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1237408945 0 :tromp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, better read the Wikipedia version
< 1237408963 0 :tromp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until ehird gets around to converting it
< 1237409656 0 :tromp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added a NOTE linking to the wikipedia version
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< 1237412008 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237412009 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1237412410 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-109-251.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237412604 0 :tromp!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1237412678 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1237412779 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1237413260 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-86-248.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237413478 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237413856 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1237413882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, hello
< 1237414556 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1237414863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdghostghost, night
< 1237416028 0 :xTC-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1237416867 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1237418265 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2"
< 1237418938 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1237418939 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1237419798 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Caught sigterm, terminating..."