< 1236729607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon execution, reads one char from the terminal (as soon as you hit it) and outputs a number of as corresponding to its ascii code. < 1236729615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that looks like a Japanese smiley on steroids < 1236729636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ^A is a smiley face in IBM-extended < 1236729646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no... not that way < 1236729647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1236729651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<^_^> < 1236729654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1236729654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know < 1236729656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know < 1236729664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why repeat < 1236729673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you continued :P < 1236729675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^<^_^> < 1236729675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or such < 1236729675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we know < 1236729675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we know < 1236729676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1236729683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :network lag, heard of it? < 1236729691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, you haven't though < 1236729701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have seen that it was close enough to have lag risk < 1236729715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being rude < 1236729721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't rude. < 1236729726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECO "Lock screen" mode: <>$$ (Password is Ctrl-C) < 1236729738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err hah < 1236729749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not very secure < 1236729752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better: < 1236729754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<^A < 1236729754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess against noobs < 1236729756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A>$$ < 1236729758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1236729762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clears screen indefinitely. < 1236729765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236729767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until ^C < 1236729770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. outputs infinite newlines. < 1236729796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also !a!Oa$$ < 1236729799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo! = label < 1236729803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Olabel$ = jump < 1236729822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nice < 1236729838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you escape an escape char? < 1236729849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a different delimiter < 1236729853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah righ < 1236729853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@O/label/$ < 1236729856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right* < 1236729857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@I/foo/ < 1236729858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1236729876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any way to include every char in a string? < 1236729885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess concat or such? < 1236729888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it as two strings. < 1236729897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and concat? < 1236729910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no contact. < 1236729914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1236729915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do @I/.../ @I!/! < 1236729950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1236729954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECO uses " as open loop and ' as end loop < 1236729967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should put that in intercal < 1236729972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236729976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are already in use < 1236729982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1236729982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the comparison to INTERCAL got me too < 1236729987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's never stopped it before < 1236729994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1236729995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already in use? < 1236730000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also where is the guide to teco? < 1236730001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you forgot about INTERCAL parens < 1236730003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you use < 1236730006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20080207025702/http://zane.brouhaha.com/~healyzh/teco/TecoPocketGuide.html < 1236730010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i was augmenting them < 1236730017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_Editor_and_Corrector < 1236730025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /think/ it leads to an ambiguous grammar < 1236730029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& playing around in the console of http://almy.us/teco.html < 1236730042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, more than already? < 1236730052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since " *is* already ambig. < 1236730056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1236730128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I can't see myself using ed any more < 1236730212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have TECO? < 1236730221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not ambiguous, just requires infinite lookahead to parse correctly < 1236730257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bingo < 1236730275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well true < 1236730285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to figure out how to write scripts and init files etc < 1236730463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/mar/07/its_big_guy_vs_little_guy74198/ < 1236730464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wow. < 1236730527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a teco there? < 1236730545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not on me < 1236730626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, ! label ! doubles as a comment. < 1236730662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1236730673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is toggle-comment if your comments are unlabelly enough < 1236730677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I have to put a file called TECO.INI in ~/ to get it to recognize it < 1236730710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wow at that link too < 1236730717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice. In upper case? < 1236730724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hfs+ is case insensitive < 1236730727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1236730732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program should check < 1236730734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it got < 1236730735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure < 1236730751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders adding that to cfunge:
< 1236730761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% mung < 1236730762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?How can I MUNG nothing? < 1236730765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a beautiful error < 1236730772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, all systems should respond to `mung` with that < 1236730782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter if they have a TECO or not < 1236730804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (strcmp(programname,filename) != 0) { fputs("Cfunge is case sensitive for file names\n", stderr); exit(1); } < 1236730807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1236730816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what does mung do? < 1236730827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Cfunge"? how ironic. < 1236730836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It MUNGs Until No Good. (Runs a TECO batch script.) < 1236730837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. It was intentional < 1236730864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, case sensitive for file names? < 1236730888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, OS X will give you "foo.bf" when you request "FOO.bf" < 1236730901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I planned to reverse that ;) < 1236730905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-03] % tecoc make hello.tec < 1236730905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*@I/^AHello, world! < 1236730906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A$EX/$EX$$ < 1236730908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-03] % mung hello.tec < 1236730910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1236730917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'll give FoO.bf if you had named it that < 1236730918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: It MUNGs Until No Good. (Runs a TECO batch script.) <-- DON'T GIVE UP < 1236730926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, exactly < 1236730934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about that snippet of intercal < 1236730946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1236730947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "until no good" sounded so intercal-y < 1236730948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TECO manual! < 1236730952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1236730953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, WHERE!? < 1236730955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Copyright (C) 1979, 1985 TECO SIG < 1236730959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://almy.us/files/tecodoc.zip < 1236730960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teco.doc < 1236730964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its plaintext) < 1236730977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a TECO shrine
< 1236730984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a listing says "Long filenames are supported" < 1236730987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236730988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1236730991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1236730996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS long filenames < 1236731000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange zip < 1236731001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents: "Yes, long file names are supported in this version of TECO!" < 1236731006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236731075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you go TECO I should go Genera. Have to get around testing it < 1236731080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get around to* < 1236731089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, genera just uses an emacs-alike < 1236731102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and emacs is teco lookalike? < 1236731112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was < 1236731114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236731130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu emacs is quite far from it < 1236731152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you include unusual commands in your initialization file, you < 1236731152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : would be prudent to surround such commands with the ? command. < 1236731154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This causes TECO to type the commands out when they are executed < 1236731156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (see section 5.18.4). You should also print an informative < 1236731158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : message on the terminal reminding other users that this version < 1236731160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of TECO has been customized. < 1236731162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know, in case a burglar enters your house and starts teco." < 1236731173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236731180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-user single login? < 1236731187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People using your terminal. < 1236731190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not uncommon in the 80s. < 1236731195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1236731204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't they have separate logins? < 1236731221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logging out and in would be a pain. < 1236731225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1236731229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, really slow. < 1236731229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fast user switching < 1236731252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which microsoft introduced as "new in XP" but Linux and other *nix had for ages before < 1236731272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches vt
< 1236731273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast user switching is a ridiculous name for the term, anyway < 1236731279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the ability to have multiple graphical VTs < 1236731283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logged in as different people < 1236731285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one computer < 1236731294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell that to john q public < 1236731303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, it's all about the advertising < 1236731306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes. I used to use 2 graphical VTs ages ago < 1236731308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast user switching: you can switch between users without logging in and out < 1236731313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1236731328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal binary ("dual-architechture Mach-O binary"): it works on powerpc and intel macs. < 1236731329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I could do it on Linux for ages < 1236731336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm talking about terminology with ais523 < 1236731343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, that description really doesn't do it for the general public either < 1236731346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok dual arch... < 1236731349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the without logging in and out < 1236731350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that isn't common in ELF < 1236731352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they want to do that? < 1236731353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1236731353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure it does < 1236731357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just makes it harder to shut down the computer < 1236731365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was with a couple of general public ages ago < 1236731368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OS X has promoted multiple users from the start < 1236731371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who were thinking about it < 1236731377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's windows thinking, probably < 1236731383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem was they were just hitting switch user not logout by mistake when they wanted to logout < 1236731386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Windows thinking < 1236731388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it just makes it harder to shut down the computer <-- ? < 1236731395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: think about it from a user with one account < 1236731398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 00:29:55 up 38 days, 9:44, 35 users, load average: 0.15, 0.17, 0.18 < 1236731399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log out just lets them < 1236731399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236731400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) log back in < 1236731402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) shut down < 1236731404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they want to log out? < 1236731411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they want to shutdown? < 1236731412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RHETORICAL QUESTION RHETORICAL QUESTION RHETORICAL QUESTION) < 1236731412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they couldn't figure out what the difference was, or why they wouldn't want to log out to let someone else use the computer < 1236731419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because of saving electricity, of course < 1236731420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also RHETORICAL < 1236731424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's bad to leave computers on overnight < 1236731434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and switch user is even more useless on a single-person computer than log out < 1236731436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well ok, most people don't run BOINC < 1236731440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :during night < 1236731448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but what about suspend to disk < 1236731453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, that will be so useful when the planet dies out < 1236731454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what windows call it < 1236731458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hibernate? only when they're in the middle of something < 1236731459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more useless seti results! < 1236731467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523: I leave mine on standby overnight. All the startup speed, much less power usage.) < 1236731476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I run folding at home < 1236731479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I shut this down, but then, it's a laptop < 1236731481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses boinc too < 1236731485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has folding at home got any real results yet? < 1236731490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run climateprediction < 1236731506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that I remember. But I don't check their website really < 1236731516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, why do you use a proprietary program, ey? < 1236731525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, recently one of them was complaining about not knowing how to move a file from a USB stick to a directory in Windows < 1236731534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that confuses me, I thought it was a simple operation even in Windows... < 1236731541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, running BOINC overnight would be fucking crazy on this < 1236731546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems they couldn't figure out how to open two graphical directory entries at once < 1236731549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the fans would spin to full speed due to 200% CPU usage < 1236731562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boinc is LGPL-2.1 < 1236731564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in future (post upgrade), the _two_ fans will go bezerk due to 800% CPU usage...) < 1236731568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good luck sleeping through that!) < 1236731570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked < 1236731591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my system has constant speed fans < 1236731614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system's fans are pretty much always either off or so low I can't hear them without trying < 1236731622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a Mac Pro's fans are rather powerful < 1236731625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I sleep in a separate room due to two small rooms and not being able to fit desk and bed in same room < 1236731640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it occur to anyone that fans are kind of a hack solution to the "our hardware runs hot" problem? :D < 1236731651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. < 1236731654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get water cooling < 1236731661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think apple offers that < 1236731672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc they did on some G5 iirc? < 1236731682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1236731689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for years, though, then < 1236731691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the 8 core Mac Pro G5 or something < 1236731692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1236731709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen pictures of the new 8 core nahelem mac pro < 1236731711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nehalem < 1236731713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two fans < 1236731719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the one I remember was definitely PPC < 1236731764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: also, why do you use a proprietary program, ey? <-- so. What did you mean. boinc is open source < 1236731774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp says folding@home is propreitary < 1236731788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so that's how you solve dust in tower computers, blow them with compressed air < 1236731788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that may be true < 1236731789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondere < 1236731790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1236731790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked < 1236731803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err of course. what did you expect? < 1236731812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, I just let my old tower get dusty :D < 1236731813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you solve it for your own computer? < 1236731831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note, however, that this room is exceptionally dusty < 1236731833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, be careful or you will get a dust puppy. And since you _hate_ uf < 1236731843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to it being old and having tons and tons of crap I never touch covered with dust < 1236731848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to fix that sometime < 1236731850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, clean? < 1236731851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, compressed air's the usual way < 1236731867 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1236731867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf dust < 1236731874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's also a big room, I'd have to get a big ladder and everything and dig under all the shit and whatnot < 1236731884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, filters prolongs the period between cleaning < 1236731886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful < 1236731896 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the guy I would expect to deliver a shitjudgement due to not reading about the case < 1236731902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: :D < 1236731905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't you clean your room every now and then < 1236731911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was your age... < 1236731917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but it's near-impossible to clean every single bit of the room < 1236731921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents forced me to clean a lot < 1236731923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you saw it you'd understand < 1236731932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pic or it didn't happen < 1236731936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, an air filter ay? < 1236731946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for computers? Yes a very good idea < 1236731949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they make much noise? < 1236731958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. *passive filter* < 1236731960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^joke) < 1236731970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take them out and clean them every month or so < 1236731976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^joke) <-- see < 1236731978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a dusty room maybe more often < 1236731989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. But lag made it arrive later < 1236732002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do they make much noise? ehird, um. *passive filter* you take them out and clean them every month or so (^joke) < 1236732021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (^joke) <-- see well in a dusty room maybe more often ehird, yes. But lag made it arrive later < 1236732037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main strategy would be to remove all the rubbish I never use to somewhere. < 1236732041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would solve about 85% of the problem < 1236732063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pic!!! < 1236732071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you a pic post-cleaning :P < 1236732077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pre please < 1236732083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it when I'm still young < 1236732088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1236732141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I *have* been your age so I know the issue < 1236732157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you grow a bit older it will be paper. Lots of paper < 1236732159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all over the room < 1236732172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your age it was iirc old lego technic and such < 1236732177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1236732184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did it match? < 1236732193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1236732209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dusty boxes with lego technic... around 13 < 1236732211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all over the room < 1236732221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.avforums.com/forums/computer-systems/56924-kramer-other-members-promoting-water-cooling-you-have-alot-answer.html <--- hahahahaha < 1236732224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had lots of lego when young < 1236732230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think I grew out of lego and stuff when I was like 10 < 1236732231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1236732238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I said *dusty* < 1236732244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1236732258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it depends on what lego. The Mindstorms thing that you can program in C lasts a bit longer < 1236732259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236732264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has that somewhere
< 1236732281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I like the suggestion further along that thread to put fish in the cooling < 1236732284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also programming it in C is unsupported < 1236732293 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that good ol' topic :D < 1236732337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1236732537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph, teco should read ~/.teco :( < 1236732572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did wrap the power supply unit in cling film plastic wrap before I filled it with water" < 1236732572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD XD XD < 1236732591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.avforums.com/forums/computer-systems/56924-kramer-other-members-promoting-water-cooling-you-have-alot-answer.html <--- hahahahaha <-- don't have time to read it all, is it a windup or not? < 1236732599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, it's just funny either way < 1236732627 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it is, but it took some pages until he told them < 1236733014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236733016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passive cooling < 1236733020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would rock < 1236733027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my mobile phone, no fan < 1236733052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a HUGE heat sink < 1236733092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1236733103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would be rather a fire hazard < 1236733111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean with dust? < 1236733119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236733123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1236733126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you thrash the cpu a lot < 1236733145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course it would have to be dimensioned for the climate and load < 1236733162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly have a backup fan in if the worst come to the worst < 1236733227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2007TaipeiITMonth_IntelOCLiveTest_Overclocking-6.jpg < 1236733230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that picture. < 1236733247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OH IT IS RUNNING A BIT HOT WELL HER IS SOME LIQUID NITROGEN" < 1236733250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HERE < 1236733289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1236733330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is part protected by a piece of fabric? < 1236733338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :risk of getting too cool? < 1236733348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1236733349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1236733429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the fact that adding more cores gives better performance increases than piling on ghz hasn't registered in my brain yet < 1236733450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its native comparison routine rates an old single-core 3ghz above 2 x quad-core 2.2ghz... < 1236733459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to emulate it in software instead :P < 1236733479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains need hot-swappable kernel updates < 1236733488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, we could give old fogeys society boosterpacks. < 1236733500 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1236733589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1236733598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on task if more cores > better < 1236733610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hit a scalability limit at some point < 1236733614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when overhead is too large < 1236733627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of sync stuff < 1236733629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but I think you'd agree that a 1 core 3ghz processor from 2006 is a lot worse in most cases than two quad-core 2.2ghz intel nehalems from november 2008 < 1236733635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where most means almost all < 1236733654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. And even more so if the 1 core one is a Pentium 4 < 1236733663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but other stuff improved too < 1236733669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1236733672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more advanced SSE for example < 1236733680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SSE4 or whatever we are at now < 1236733704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that my internal brain's cpu comparison routine is (a b -> compare(a.ghz, b.ghz)) < 1236733708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very broken :D < 1236733737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1236733746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I don't have to perform that very often < 1236733749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also my brain does it in mhz < 1236733760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my brain works at a granularity of X.Yghz < 1236733761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it realises that we hit 1 GHz ages ago < 1236733775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1ghz? my mom used that as a kid. :| < 1236733791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it remembers mhz/ghz is a silly way to compare < 1236733797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err probably not < 1236733805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an exaggerationjoke. < 1236733810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1236733824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back then the order of the day was FORTRAN and LISP on big mainframes and punchcards :P < 1236733832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1236733838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you used pre-ghz? < 1236733844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmmm. < 1236733850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not mobile phones and such < 1236733866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1998 I had a Windows 3.11 computer (yes, way obsolete at the time, parents were poor) < 1236733866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or old system, but contemporary ones < 1236733872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was probably pre-ghz. < 1236733884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a 15" non-flat CRT screen xD < 1236733887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your parents got a lot more money now then. with you getting an upgrade soon < 1236733892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you < 1236733899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly my money < 1236733910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even luckier you < 1236733912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Apple Tax makes it a bit of a stretch :-D < 1236733914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get it?! < 1236733922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple tax? < 1236733936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple tax = the purely insane amount of money apple adds on to the actual value of the hardware < 1236733938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as someone living in UK you should prefer Acorn < 1236733945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used an Acorn PC in school! < 1236733946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pitty they no longer exist < 1236733948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1236733949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1236733957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you know ARM is all that remains of Acorn < 1236733962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1236733971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC OS was nic < 1236733971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1236733974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1236733977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was Genera < 1236733995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is always !Befunge for you on RISC OS < 1236734000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yep < 1236734002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it sucks < 1236734018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it used to be next best after ccbi < 1236734021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back before cfunge < 1236734279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1236734283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author updates his site regularly, it seems < 1236734289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has Deewiant contacted him about updating !Befunge? < 1236734345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah < 1236734353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he didn't contact Mike either < 1236734357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1236734360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said it wasn't his job < 1236734362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might contact him :) < 1236734365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236734377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I often thought about it, but "meh" < 1236734394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to have more competition < 1236734527 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1236734746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1236734779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1236735097 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1236736790 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo[Scrubs] < 1236737884 0 :Deewiant_!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236737889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1236737889 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1236737889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1236737900 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236737900 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236737900 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236737943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1236738013 0 :Ilari_!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236738313 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236739097 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1236739419 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1236739987 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1236739999 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's been using Unicode in here? < 1236740874 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1236743234 0 :Sgeo[Scrubs]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1236744925 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1236745571 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is evil < 1236745607 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scribbles on a piece of paper
< 1236745640 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's mom is probably 31 or older. < 1236745670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95% < 1236745676 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, she was only a kid at least seven years ago. < 1236745683 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you giving me the probability of her being 31 or older? < 1236745691 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1236745743 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what n is the probability of her being n or older 50%? < 1236745787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1236745795 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 < 1236745807 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 43 < 1236745814 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 45 < 1236745815 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1236745821 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final answer < 1236745858 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My n is 41. Final answer. < 1236745863 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's fight to the death. < 1236745901 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how old is your mom? < 1236747991 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1236748017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird! < 1236748041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone else interested in delightful discoveries about fractals and such < 1236748073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen up! < 1236748075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this: < 1236748112 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a grid, with lines labeled from 0 < 1236748183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the bitwise logical operation of the gridline numbers (e.g. at the point (4,12) take, say, the bitwise nand of 4 and 12). if the result is 0, draw a circle on the point. < 1236748194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make some other obvious mark. < 1236748209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this for, say... an 8x8 or 16x16 grid. < 1236748248 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you're slick, code it up using a graphics API and see what results for decently sized space, say 512x512 < 1236748453 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that. :P < 1236748471 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget whether its if the result is 0, or below some value, or whatever. anyway, you get the idea. < 1236748500 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works too, i think. < 1236748674 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if you do an AND, that works. < 1236749012 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | ascii z < 1236749015 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | ascii plz < 1236751297 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1236751883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE ASCII TO RULE THEM ALL < 1236752210 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1236754587 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1236756469 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1236756535 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-4-12.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1236757080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236758399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1236758400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1236758413 0 :asiekierk!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1236758427 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i'm going to build a mechanical tv probably < 1236758691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest starting out somewhat easy... < 1236758711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build a mechanical color adaptor. ;p < 1236759317 0 :Deewiant_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Deewiant < 1236759625 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As in, a color mechanical tv? < 1236759661 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy. Make a small color wheel, speed up the nipkow disc and make the color wheel spin too, make the proper image and BAM! CBS/Baird/Nipkow color TV! < 1236759908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking color wheel disk for a standard B&W NTSC TV. < 1236759913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it has been done. < 1236759974 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even NTSC for NBTV has been done by one guy < 1236760026 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "NBSC" < 1236760040 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm waiting for someone to do PAL for NBTV... but that lacks a good name < 1236760121 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB-PAL? < 1236760266 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am wondering whether you can make a Nipkow camera by switching the LED with a light sensor... < 1236760276 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, swapping them in the device < 1236760282 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no LED but a light sensor < 1236760286 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then transmit that to the PC < 1236760288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why not. < 1236760288 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchange parts < 1236760295 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bam! Nipkow Camera/TV! < 1236760357 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, pikhq, did you build a mechanical TV once? < 1236761011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it seems like something I could do. < 1236761252 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently looking for a good tutorial < 1236764367 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm wondering why am I converting the copy of the first Baird-system play < 1236764385 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Man with the Flower in his Mouth" < 1236764389 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the NBTV standard < 1236764463 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30% < 1236764469 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1236764782 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :74%, somehow :P < 1236764842 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 3 minutes left, then I'll start working on my Televisor, then convert the play from "prepared" AVI to the WAV, then play it from somewhere (my Wii, possibly) and WIN < 1236764896 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% - 1 minute left :) < 1236765509 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh, need to re-convert it < 1236765516 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it quite quickly :) < 1236765547 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting to WAV < 1236765596 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too fast, it does like, half a minute of the movie in a second < 1236765642 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it actually does 5 seconds/second :P < 1236765646 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and done :) < 1236765700 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay, the awesome sound of the NBTV :) < 1236765709 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must reconvert it though :( < 1236765855 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done :) < 1236765862 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will need to make the Nipkow disk < 1236766828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having fun? < 1236769050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unicode is evil <-- wrong < 1236769062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, bsmntbombdood: åäö åäö åäö < 1236769112 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just made the coolest testcard/opening ever < 1236769114 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the opening is < 1236769131 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds of the ye` ole` BBC countdown along with a 15-second clock and numbers for the last 3 seconds < 1236769240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiffy. < 1236769268 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course < 1236769273 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was frame-tuning the whole thing < 1236769275 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony Vegas crashed < 1236769286 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it has autosave < 1236769474 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing takes exactly 2 minutes and 30 seconds < 1236769478 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a bunch of NBTV testcards < 1236769481 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 reproduced by me < 1236769485 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another made by me < 1236769491 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other mini-testcards from the 'net < 1236769524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to admit, NBTV is rather clever... < 1236769579 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it'll take 2 minutes and 15 seconds < 1236769617 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send it to you if you want < 1236769658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? < 1236769671 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tuning signals and testcards take about 1 minute 50 seconds < 1236769675 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is the "mini-clock" < 1236769690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be tempted to build a Nipkow-disc TV set some time soon... < 1236769693 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1236769698 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember my video is 32x48 < 1236769710 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for downscaling, it's all mostly pixel-by-pixel already < 1236769715 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want WAV format or the original WMV? < 1236769716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe get an NTSC->Nipkow converter going for the hell of it. ;p < 1236769724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1236769743 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which format do you want < 1236769757 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WAV format which you can play into your NBTV (left channel - video, right channel - mono audio) < 1236769761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both, if you don't mind? < 1236769771 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you can convert a WMV to a WAV < 1236769777 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you first need to convert it to AVI for some reason < 1236769798 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will give you the link for the converter < 1236769802 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also live-convert videos < 1236769808 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I converted "Man with the flower in his mouth" for it < 1236769877 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will send you the installer and the BMPs with it (why not?) < 1236769901 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my testcard is also availble in "lame color version", btw, but i think you can just convert SMPTE bars to it < 1236769975 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it doesn't really want to convert the WMV, will need to encode in higher res maybe :( < 1236770008 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i think directshow+ffmpeg did it < 1236770021 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, sorta < 1236770132 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i encoded a thing wrongly < 1236770231 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending you the pack < 1236770245 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video2NBTV (the AVI->NBTV converter), my testcard set and the AVI < 1236770263 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me your email tho < 1236772380 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to construct a display using rotating discs. < 1236772410 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do it < 1236772421 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I offer a tuning helper if anyone wants < 1236772432 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every disc has a pattern of stripes on it, and they're all stacked, and it uses Fourier transforms or something to figure out how to rotate them to give the right image. < 1236772439 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph < 1236772446 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh* < 1236775796 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[away] < 1236776601 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1236777130 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1236777630 0 :asie[away]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236778802 0 :asie[away]!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1236778804 0 :asie[away]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[brb] < 1236778850 0 :asie[brb]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[busy] < 1236778857 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress: Cutting out the material for the Nipkow Disk < 1236778913 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now cutting out the disk itself < 1236779039 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, my fingers hurt <:( < 1236779415 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate my laser printer < 1236779427 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ink is so weird i need to repaint some of the thing with a black marker < 1236779530 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 40% done < 1236779581 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-80-194.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1236779608 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1236779647 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70% < 1236779647 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1236779719 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1236779722 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony < 1236779725 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making a mechanical TV set < 1236779847 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that ? < 1236779896 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TV that uses the "Nipkow disk" and a LED and audio to show very lo-res analogue TV on a tiny half-inch screen* < 1236779907 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* - using a single A4 sheet for the disk < 1236779997 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, I have cut approx. 1/5th of that disk < 1236780054 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the holes will be perfect < 1236780055 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1236780114 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/4th, getting closer < 1236780236 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 < 1236780326 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly done < 1236780395 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1236780405 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now repainting some parts with a black marker (I hate my ink) < 1236780801 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1236781140 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wheel works ((manually though, i will need to make bigger holes) < 1236781279 0 :rabideejit!n=spoon@79-71-254-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1236781293 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236781306 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greeting. < 1236781382 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new language for you. < 1236781382 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider deciphering the contents of http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Kolmogorov and http://www.killersmurf.com/projects/Kolmogorov < 1236781493 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236781498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaaan < 1236781510 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an interpreter already? < 1236781514 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1236781515 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is, he totally smoked me :o < 1236781520 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and my Andrei machine < 1236781529 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah! It's you. You inspired me. < 1236781540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings, rabideejit < 1236781551 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I? < 1236781561 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you did. < 1236781563 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I will take all credit < 1236781566 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooo < 1236781582 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings ais. < 1236781585 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph rewriting is a bitch and I'm a terrible programmer. < 1236781595 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I never managed to write an interpreter. < 1236781611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks somewhat higher-level than the Andrei Machine < 1236781631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you have a BF equivalence already, probably it's actually quite usable, which is always nice in an esolang < 1236781632 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The andrei machine is much closer to what Kolmogorov had in mind, I'd say. < 1236781633 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do high level. < 1236781654 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's exactly what Kolmogorov had in mind, except for the I/O. < 1236781685 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, the original article is here : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Kolmo/ < 1236781693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They won't let me put it on the wiki though :3 < 1236781776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki's public-domain, you can't put copyrighted things on there < 1236781781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things are copyrighted by default < 1236781794 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1236781812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I doubt we'd get in trouble < 1236781821 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thankyou! I was looking for that. My source was Uri Gurevich's on Kolmogorov Machines and Related issues. < 1236781835 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is hard to find. < 1236781840 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even as a used book < 1236781904 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should finish my Fibonacci on that language. < 1236781961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commands are much easier on that one < 1236782053 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should still try mine one day. This one doesn't have the global graph transformation. < 1236782223 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Andrei machine has an easy-to-reach register. The challenger of the Kolmogorov language is all your data is all pointing to each other and you get lost. Hence the 500 line 99 bottles of beer. < 1236782231 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*challenge < 1236782244 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freudian there. < 1236782274 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah but I guess the Andrei register is a bit hard to reach, as you have to run through the graph to get it. < 1236782279 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually try easy I/O. < 1236782294 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially here, because it's the only way to know if it works correctly < 1236782304 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1236782318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do a debugger where you can see the actual graph, but I have no idea how to do it < 1236782332 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be crazy. < 1236782364 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shitty part though is the graph recognition. < 1236782383 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the transformations, it has to be able to recognize any pattern starting at 0 < 1236782388 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems a very complex problem. < 1236782423 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm! < 1236782440 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since it doesn't have to be connected < 1236782642 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, ho. < 1236782758 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must take your leave, I need to eat some yogurt. Nice to meet you Slereah. < 1236782761 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-109-020.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1236782765 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1236782779 0 :rabideejit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1236783179 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjhdsjfh < 1236783180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1236783212 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello dude. < 1236783217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1236783227 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out I'm an inspiration. < 1236783235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,>++++++[<-------->-],[<+>-]++++++[<-------->-],[<+>-]<.!43 < 1236783244 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1236783245 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the beard, is it? < 1236783272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did anyone try that thing i suggested earlier? :P < 1236783281 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing? < 1236783367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking the bitwise AND of (N+, N+) and graphing at only the points where that == 0 < 1236783410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be just everywhere outside of 1's everywhere? < 1236783420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1236783443 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait, no < 1236783468 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why do you want that? < 1236783477 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it :) < 1236783497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it for an 8x8 square < 1236783506 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for N = 0..7 < 1236783526 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme get my snake < 1236783551 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, it's been a while since I coded. < 1236783562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1236783568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can draw it by hand for an 8x8 square < 1236783577 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to get a sense of what results < 1236783594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it would involve doing a whole bunch of little bitwise operations < 1236783679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1236783683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a lot faster than you think < 1236783698 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but then, I can generalize to any size < 1236783705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, the magic doesnt happen unless you graph it two dimensionally < 1236783708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, whatever < 1236783714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can visualize it < 1236783717 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I can just use my old binary converter of my Post machine < 1236783728 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can graph it with python < 1236783738 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#Decimal to binary string" < 1236783742 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old Postal < 1236783817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1236783900 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old program < 1236783906 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1236783912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1236783920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially what you want to do is something like < 1236783985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.upto(n) do |i| < 1236783985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.upto(n) do |j| < 1236783986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : make_pixel_black(i,j) if 0 == i&j < 1236783988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : end < 1236783990 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1236784343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Python does not paste well at all over IRC < 1236784354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least convert tabs to spaces so we have a chance at seing what you're writing < 1236784357 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good think i didn't use python! < 1236784358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a pastebin < 1236784362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236784363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1236784373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed the every-other-line-in-italics < 1236784379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a usual sign to me that someone's tried to paste it < 1236784384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every-other-line-in-italics? < 1236784386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the |i| would suggest more Ruby < 1236784391 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see these things that you speak of. < 1236784395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see all and only what i wrote. < 1236784396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: my client interprets tab as toggle-italics < 1236784403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your client is stupid. < 1236784405 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236784440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab *is* ctrl-i, so it's not that far off. < 1236784457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab is not ctrl-i < 1236784459 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you smoking < 1236784491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab is indeed control-I, not on the keyboard, but in terms of representation in a text file < 1236784494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both ASCII code 8 < 1236784495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*9 < 1236784524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-i is not an ascii character. so no. < 1236784526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As unrefutable proof: Wikipedia redirects from "Control-I" to "Tab key". < 1236784536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies. < 1236784541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control-a is 1, control-b is 2, control-c is 3, and so on < 1236784552 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies lies and more lies < 1236784564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever wondered why it requires a lot of trickery to distinguish return and control-j from inside a program, for instance? < 1236784585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1236784591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ive never experienced such problems. < 1236784923 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slereah < 1236784925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you dones it yet < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X < 1236785173 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X < 1236785175 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X < 1236785177 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785179 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X < 1236785181 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X < 1236785183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X < 1236785185 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X < 1236785187 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X < 1236785189 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X < 1236785191 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X < 1236785193 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785195 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X < 1236785197 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X < 1236785199 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X < 1236785201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this < 1236785203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1236785210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X < 1236785210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1236785223 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-4-12.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1236785224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who ate the corners off the sierpinsky cookie? < 1236785224 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look fractally. < 1236785356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is fractally in the other way around it seems < 1236785397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finite sized patterns that repeat at bigger scales :o < 1236785421 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to display Python in a monospaced font? < 1236785940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah < 1236785940 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-1-23.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1236785946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a sierpinski gasket < 1236785954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, it is "fractally" < 1236785958 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the more interesting thing is that < 1236785964 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a gasket < 1236785968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is. < 1236785999 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more interesting thing is that its the sierpinski gasket AND it comes about JUST from doing bitwise AND over N^2 < 1236786003 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, how ridiculous is that? < 1236786020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gasket is also: 1. gasket -- (seal consisting of a ring for packing pistons or sealing a pipe joint) < 1236786023 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are aware that fractals don't have to be complex < 1236786035 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cantor set is easy as shit to create < 1236786046 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know this. < 1236786058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you *feel* it? < 1236786067 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is more that this structure comes about from simple bitwise logic on numbers < 1236786082 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1236786093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am hard to fill with wonder < 1236786099 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although semen is another matter < 1236786133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, the gasket is there in bitwise logic over ALL integers. so that its not some convoluted escape time algorithm, or geometric copy algorithm (tho it might be equivalent to the last one) < 1236786140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, its just AND(N,N) < 1236786168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, it seems like they could fill more things with cream." "Just "things" in general? Where do you draw the line?" "Well, my thinking is this: if it's empty, fill it with cream." (That's one of the quotes fungot has.) < 1236786168 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're either with them or are they only used for rebuilds in case of hack attacks illegal activity, < 1236786199 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot a markov bot? < 1236786199 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: dang... the guy tried to argue) because lisp and scheme < 1236786209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a close relative, anyway. < 1236786222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. he should be a phrase-structure bot instead! :| < 1236786255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data structures are a bit iffy to do with befunge; I went with the simplest option. < 1236786259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it'd require more computation, but it would produce grammatically correct sentences with absolutely not sensibility to them < 1236786265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. its befunge. nevermind :D < 1236786284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98, to be exact: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1236786284 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's all. easily parsed even in emacs. wanting to see a larger project you end up with < 1236786290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you actually dont have to do it with datastructures < 1236786300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some sort of context free production system < 1236786303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was an eerily suitable reply. < 1236786304 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1236786307 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1236786308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep < 1236786317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it can easily be done even in Emacs, why not in Befunge? < 1236786332 0 :asie[busy]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierk < 1236786590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ (x,y) : x,y in N; x&y = 0 } is the gasket. how crazy is that tho < 1236786591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1236786593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it < 1236786648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generalizes to gasket-like structures in n dimensions: { p : p in N^k; &p = 0 } < 1236786692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psog < 1236786696 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you know this though < 1236786717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a professor of mine does a bunch of crazy stuff with logic, philosophy, and computation < 1236786733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he coauthored a book called The Philosophical Computer, and he mentions this in one chapter. < 1236786776 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's apparently very interested in what the fundamental principle is that leads to the Sierpinski Gasket showing up all over the place (bitwise logic, 1d CAs, GoL, etc.) < 1236786818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've determined why it shows up in GoL tho. GoL is actually simulating a 4-state 1D CA when it produces the gasket < 1236786819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1236786822 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats how you get it. < 1236786829 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe God is just too lazy to finish his triangles < 1236786833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe! < 1236786839 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the universe is filled with bees < 1236786839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's made things do it for him < 1236786843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEES < 1236786851 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sip sip syrup sipping nigga are honeycombs < 1236786852 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, its just interesting that the same thing shows up again and again < 1236786864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to find out precisely WHAT the general principle is < 1236786869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably something very simple < 1236786881 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the bees < 1236786895 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, labtime < 1236786897 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, im off to class. ciao bitches < 1236787256 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-93-123.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1236787435 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat66.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1236787612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:27 kerlo: ehird's mom is probably 31 or older. < 1236787615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1236787617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:26 h has left IRC (Excess Flood) < 1236787621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, more regex fuckery. < 1236787623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy to fix. < 1236787750 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1236787773 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1236788011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: If you want to precisify the value, you can play 20 questions. < 1236788047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, just analyze LISP and FORTRAN release dates and soforth. < 1236788065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP and FORTRAN release dates would determine the value? < 1236788077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"03:27 kerlo: ehird's mom is probably 31 or older." < 1236788093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based, presumably, on me saying that when my mother was a kid, LISP and FORTRAN on punchcards were the order of the day. < 1236788101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236788165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord, Apple made the iPod Shuffle even smaller. < 1236788178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon it'll take up negative space. < 1236788200 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1236788225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should fit it inside a pair of headphones < 1236788229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1236788239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that funny? I thought it was quite a good idea < 1236788246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, how many controls does the thing need? < 1236788272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has start/stop and forward, I think, except now it has playlists apparently < 1236788272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm < 1236788291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here < 1236788297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volume up, volume down, and one button < 1236788308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single click: lay/pause, next track: double click, previous track: triple click < 1236788314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear title and artist (TTS): hold < 1236788326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold center button and release after tone: speaks out playlist names, click to select < 1236788340 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236788348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing is, they ship with earphones < 1236788353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.apple.com/ipodshuffle/images/features_hero_20090311.jpg < 1236788359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could fit the button on to one < 1236788362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and up/down volume on another < 1236788571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stick an accelerometer in, and have you shake your head like you've got a seizure whenever you need to interact with it. < 1236788594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do ipod shuffles work, controlwise? < 1236788605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just told you! < 1236788609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: volume up, volume down, and one button < 1236788609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18 ehird: single click: lay/pause, next track: double click, previous track: triple click < 1236788611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18 ehird: hear title and artist (TTS): hold < 1236788613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18 ehird: hold center button and release after tone: speaks out playlist names, click to select < 1236788620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the side there's a volume up button, one single button, and the volume down < 1236788625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the single button has the operations above < 1236788690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1236788703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of doing something else at the moment, so I'm not really paying attention to IRC < 1236788720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and based on the name, presumably it plays in random order if given no other instructions? < 1236788770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1236788776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make it go in normal order, I think < 1236788893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used headphones before which had a volume knob on each headphone < 1236788898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's effectively 4 controls < 1236788922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a rotating off/volume knob on one earphone, and the button on the other, I suppose < 1236789160 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"raise Hand, 'wave'" < 1236789705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236789817 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236791029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Linux is by far the most popular UNIX OS" < 1236791031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... no... < 1236791051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change that to UNIX-compatible, and it's probably correct < 1236791059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X < 1236791064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a larger market share than linux < 1236791148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't linux around 1% market share? < 1236791154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mac around 9% or so? < 1236791158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe a bit less < 1236791177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: add in servers and embedded systems, and linux beats mac os x hollow < 1236791194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what proportion of UNIX-compatible systems are servers
< 1236791197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded systems, sure < 1236791199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but servers? < 1236791201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure < 1236791206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is very popular on servers < 1236791207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is windows < 1236791223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Windows isn't unix-compatible though so doesn't count < 1236791230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1236791234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BSD and Solaris both definitely factor into the server market < 1236791334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X Server, now... I don't think that's so very very popular. < 1236791344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, although IIRC it does exist < 1236791346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OS X server has like 0 market share. < 1236791361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's mostly used in small businesses. < 1236791375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For corporate sites & email and internal intranet sites etc < 1236791378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"16.7% of smartphones sold worldwide during 2006 were using Linux[49]" -- that's a larger number than I expected. < 1236791400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the infallible wikipedia, of course. < 1236791407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X Server does integrate its unix user accounts with the web services, which is nice. < 1236791415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't t hink of anyhting particularly exciting about it, though. < 1236791426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it comes with all the dekstop apps, which is rather stupid. < 1236791429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*desktop < 1236791439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but they're the only thing that distinguishes OSX from Darwin < 1236791443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it's a big and good selling point < 1236791461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not quite. < 1236791470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GUI in general is; but do you need iCal on a server? < 1236791480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose so < 1236791496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of got the impression that OSX Server was designed to be used as a workstation and also a server at the same time < 1236791543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a rather odd use-case. < 1236791552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry guys, I'm playing a dvd, slight slowdown" < 1236791771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine that use-case for people living at home who wanted a servery thing of their own < 1236791777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1236791781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pricey, though. < 1236791785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even this laptop has apache installed, although other people can't access it except via a reverse tunnel < 1236791788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like really pricey < 1236791810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10-client license is £312 < 1236791810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not out of character for Apple, but it's no wonder why nobody buys it < 1236791818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: regular OS X comes with apache < 1236791823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1236791827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it come with an ircd? < 1236791837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think OS X Server comes with an ircd :P < 1236791871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an ircd on here too, although I only use it for testing bots < 1236791896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing an ircd on here would be rather trivial < 1236791907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : % port info ngircd < 1236791907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngircd @0.12.1 (irc) < 1236791909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variants: ident, universal < 1236791919 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1236791928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, same as (an apt-based) Linux (distro), really. < 1236791977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1236791986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why buy the server version if the desktop version can do that? < 1236791999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm asking. :P < 1236792015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's against the licence agreement < 1236792033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you aren't allowed to have more than 4 simultaneous incoming network connections on non-server versions of Windows < 1236792042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now THAT I highly doubt... < 1236792072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, MacPorts is hosted on Mac OS Forge, which Apple runs (and personally approves all projects on, i.e. it's not something like berlios or whatever) < 1236792073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236792079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that true about windows? < 1236792084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I mean, to use it as a server < 1236792085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy! I'll have violated that billions of times... < 1236792091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for that thing about Windows, I remember it from somewhere < 1236792091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, but macports has servers < 1236792100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may have been false, or I might have misremembered < 1236792102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is on a site with pseudo-official projects < 1236792164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling, it seems it's a Windows XP SP 2 thing, specifically < 1236792166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should get an old eMac and run emacs on it < 1236792171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the websites there seem to disagree about the number < 1236792176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, 4, and 10 have all been reported < 1236792195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and 5 < 1236792257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... why are all the files on microsoft.com .doc files? < 1236792263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think? < 1236792269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not HTML? < 1236792272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could understand docx < 1236792277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doc seems self-defeating for everyone < 1236792280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including Microsoft < 1236792281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're old < 1236792287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to support old words < 1236792310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: If SQL Server 2005 Express is running on Windows XP Home, it is limited to five simultaneous connections. If it is running on Windows 2000 or Windows XP Professional, it is limited to 10 simultaneous connections. However, these are limitations of the operating system and not of SQL Server 2005 Express." < 1236792323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found on a word document on microsoft.com, that's evidence, at least < 1236792324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1236792327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can modify tha < 1236792327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1236792331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially < 1236792376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you have not heard, Microsoft has announced the name for the next version of Windows, a.k.a. Longhorn. It will be called Windows Vista. The great news is, Windows Vista Beta 1, targeted at developers and IT professionals, is now available to MSDN Subscribers. Please check the new the new Windows Vista Developer Center for more details." < 1236792383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, didn't expect to randomly see that when searching < 1236792395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1236792404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the longhorn name < 1236792412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was vaguely phallic. Like Windows. < 1236793787 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1236793850 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236794305 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1236794315 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1236794493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AuroraUX - SunOS-based Operating System Written (Mostly) in Ada" < 1236794498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's certainly esoteric. < 1236794521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 100% military reliable secure? < 1236794525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1236794532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's written in ADA, it ought to be < 1236794537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the whole point behind ada < 1236794540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada is not UPPERCASE < 1236794558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, pet peeve... < 1236794562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst is LISP and JAVA < 1236794566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, isn't it? < 1236794571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Ada < 1236794572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was named after someone < 1236794575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but written in uppercase anyway < 1236794577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada Lovelace < 1236794581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't an acronym < 1236794584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know who it's named after < 1236794598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language) netcraft^Wwikipedia confirms i < 1236794598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1236794616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has it at Ada, though < 1236794619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat me to checking < 1236794738 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236794928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[It mostly crashes immediately, mostly due to some unsupported operations in the assembler backend, but for a carefully crafted program, we're able to get massive speedups. For something as complex as: < 1236794929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i = 0 < 1236794931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while i < 10000000: < 1236794933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i = i + 1 < 1236794935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our JIT is about 20x faster than CPython. ]] < 1236794941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could write programs that complex. < 1236794984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can optimise that into i = 10000000 < 1236794991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum! < 1236794994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the best compiler ever. < 1236794996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably more than a factor-of-20 speedup < 1236794998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, compile this program. < 1236795007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that announcement was tounge-in-cheek < 1236795012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tongue < 1236795018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: one of my friends actually said that at university, that they'd rather trust me to convert C into asm than the compiler < 1236795025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1236795028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly it was a really awful compiler < 1236795032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trusted me more than it too < 1236795035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compiler? < 1236795039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCS C < 1236795044 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-077-007.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1236795050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has been mentioned on thedailywtf sidebar at least once, so it isn't me < 1236795054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just me < 1236795071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the gpl-but-eula one? < 1236795082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's MPLAB C30 which is actually quite good < 1236795098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should put that one on the internet with the eula-removing modifications and see what they do :-D < 1236795104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about as good as gcc is, although a bit less optimised, which is not surprising < 1236795111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the eula-removing modifications are already online < 1236795112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will sue you for not complying with our EUL... oh, crap." < 1236795117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i meant, the whole source < 1236795124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just swapped out the EULA for the standard hello world that came with microsoft visual C < 1236795139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1236795150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, communicating with your licence enforcer via exit code is not such a good idea < 1236795318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hate the people who just post their solution in J. That's almost as intelligible as brainfuck. " -- on project euler < 1236795326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare they use a concise, expressive language < 1236795329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... like brainfuck < 1236795333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1236795494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1236795499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1236795507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1236795564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much scrollback is needed for context? < 1236795575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1236795575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1236795576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eula talk? < 1236795579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 lines or so < 1236795584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my brainfuck thing, about 7 by now < 1236795593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for eula talk, quite a lot more, for ehird's joke just 4 before you said hi < 1236795615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you should look up CCS C some time, anyway, it's sufficiently bad that at one point I was just planning to reimplement it better < 1236795622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1236795627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1236795633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if you pass a constant string as an argument to a function < 1236795645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it converts it into a loop which calls the function once for each character of the string < 1236795648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236795650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that character as argument < 1236795654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afugawhatthefuckbitshit. < 1236795659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236795666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J...jwha...ofjgo. < 1236795669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgokpdfkogkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk < 1236795671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so that's occasionally a useful operation, they really shouldn't have made it the default though < 1236795672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;______; You ruined my brain. < 1236795680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : really, communicating with your licence enforcer via exit code is not such a good idea <-- Huh? < 1236795681 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange. < 1236795683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it so blatantly breaks about half the C standard < 1236795690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID THEY DO THAT < 1236795702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because strings are expensive on their target platform < 1236795714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you say huh at basic, mundane, simple sentences < 1236795723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of optimising printf("Hello, world!\n") into the row of putchars it ought to be < 1236795741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CCS C you're supposed to write putchar("Hello, world!\n"), never mind that that makes absolutely no sense < 1236795743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because it made no sense < 1236795746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahaha < 1236795747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1236795751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what the fuck? of course it did < 1236795754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that not make sense < 1236795761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any wiggle room for meaninglessness in that sentence < 1236795763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note, hello world as a row of putchars is suboptimal on most platforms but probably the best way on the PIC) < 1236795766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236795770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't come up with one single interpretation in which that makes no sense... < 1236795773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licence enforcer is some sort of program? < 1236795774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1236795777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1236795781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking "lawyer" < 1236795785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1236795800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/76820 <-- ' CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION FORTH IN < 1236795812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[not mine] < 1236795832 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1236795871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conventional wisdom has it that Mosaic was the first graphical web browser. Even though Mosaic - the basis for Netscape - certainly kickstarted the web revolution, it wasn't the first graphical web browser at all - that honour goes to Erwise" < 1236795875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! < 1236795885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WorldWideWeb.app was the first graphical browser, and the first BROWSER... < 1236795896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, depending on what PIC you target, just using ASM may be saner < 1236795903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, yes < 1236795908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the sort of asm you need < 1236795925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like I doubt any sort of C would make much sense for PIC12F629 (which I programmed against) < 1236795927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putchar on a PIC requires you to write an interrupt handler by hand, or else use the hardware serial port as a background thread < 1236795947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what CCS C is, it mostly targets PIC16 but they don't have a much bigger instruction set < 1236795950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well. I'm not sure where STDOUT would be on a PIC... < 1236795962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the UART that's both stdout and stdin < 1236796001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, USART on a PIC, although I don't know of anyone who used them in synchronous mode < 1236796007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm iirc PIC12* doesn't have a special such... < 1236796016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some will, some won't, I expect < 1236796060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean I had serial port connected two ways in programming mode, and but when running I needed that pin for something else. So I used a jumper < 1236796071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still read serial though < 1236796100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, you can implement it in software < 1236796111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCS C requires weird pragmas to set up the UART, or else software emulation of it < 1236796133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, apart from programming mode I had to handle serial interrupt myself completely, PIC12 doesn't have any support built in. < 1236796139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1236796144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all PIC16s do, IIRC < 1236796149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly the ones I've used do < 1236796162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how programming mode worked. I think it was driving some pin(s) to certain values or something like that < 1236796167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need a MAX232 or something though because the output's at the wrong voltages for conventional communicatoin < 1236796176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programming mode works by putting 12V into the reset pin < 1236796186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you're unlikely to do by mistake as they're only 5V devices normally < 1236796197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smacks very much of DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING < 1236796205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well this was so long ago I don't remember details < 1236796244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does sound familiar now that you mention it < 1236796261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however are you sure PIC12* are 5V? < 1236796280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they vary from about 3.3 to 5, IIRC < 1236796341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc PIC12F629 was 1.5 V... < 1236796344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may misremember < 1236796352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's low, but not entirely implausible < 1236796359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it still had a 12V program mode? < 1236796365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something needs to generate program voltage, after all < 1236796376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523! < 1236796382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1236796384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -lpe 's;.;y$IVCXL91-I0$XLMCDXVIII$dfor$I.=4x$&%1859^7;eg;$_=$I' < 1236796395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: let me work out what that does without running it < 1236796395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I may misremember, and it may have 9 V or such then for programming? < 1236796395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it decimal numbers. < 1236796400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1236796401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be plausible? < 1236796408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just to warn you, it's computer generated < 1236796434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a perl program wrote a c program that, when run, gave output which when given to a perl program outputted a perl program) < 1236796439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so congrats if you can understand it < 1236796444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really, you need voltages around 12V to reflash a chip no matter what it normally runs as < 1236796445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it's obvious looknig at it < 1236796446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which coding contest was it from? < 1236796449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perl golf < 1236796452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm ok. < 1236796479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it starts by looping over all characters in the input string < 1236796497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see. So what program was used to generate it. Because compiler generated asm from icc -fast is more readable. < 1236796513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: asm is meant to be readable, you should be comparing that to machine code < 1236796514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha perl is unreadable because I don't know it ohhh such a bastion of comedy. < 1236796523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got old in 1990, AnMaster. < 1236796557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I can read some perl. I'm not totally perl illiterate. I just don't know all the details. I know enough to read clean perl programs. < 1236796622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Perl is deliberately rather compressed, by the look of it < 1236796628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also using $ as a delimiter to y is evil < 1236796639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deliberately"? i said, it's computer generated < 1236796642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 ehird: (a perl program wrote a c program that, when run, gave output which when given to a perl program outputted a perl program) < 1236796647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were deliberately going for obfuscation there, I think < 1236796648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's generated to be as short as possible < 1236796649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236796651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's perl golf < 1236796654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's obfuscated ... < 1236796656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know < 1236796660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1236796664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be just as short using , or something, and more readable < 1236796668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or " fwiw < 1236796684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the computer just picked a random punctuation mark that worked < 1236796701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so was the C program as obfuscated? < 1236796707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, none of the generators were < 1236796709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the final result < 1236796711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the algorithm's weird < 1236796736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. when ais523 figured it out or gave up, could you please provide a link? < 1236796753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes characters from the input string, then multiplies by 1111, modulos by 1859, and bitwise-xors by 7 < 1236796758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have it now, thanks to the power of /msg < 1236796760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can already guess what it does < 1236796766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just from the characters used < 1236796768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's obvious from the code < 1236796769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/83rkc/very_clever_perlgolfed_arabictoromannumerals/ < 1236796771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's nice to know for certain < 1236796778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks, asshole < 1236796779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236796784 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ?? < 1236796787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 specifically said he wanted to work it out himself < 1236796793 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't click on the link < 1236796802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work if the answer wasn't IN THE LINK < 1236796803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, since it was ehird I should have known it was on reddit... < 1236796804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1236796807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I guessed what it did, I'm just trying to work out why < 1236796813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:33] perl -lpe 's;.;y$IVCXL91-I0$XLMCDXVIII$dfor$I.=4x$&%1859^7;eg;$_=$I' < 1236796816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you already told him it's obvious from the code < 1236796822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it's easier to work out what it does when I don't have to scrollback < 1236796823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that doesn't mean anything in particular < 1236796826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume we're all smart enough to realize what's obvious < 1236796841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I didn't notice it was in the link, though < 1236796896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1236796905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not $&x4, it's 4x$& < 1236796911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a big difference < 1236796978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it seems to arithmetically encode a lookup table of single digits to roman numerals < 1236796982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has code for multiplying roman numerals by 10 < 1236796990 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1236796996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it alternates them in a loop, that's the basic algorithm < 1236797015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the reddit discussion
< 1236797025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the linked article < 1236797026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the discussion < 1236797030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is worthless) < 1236797037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is worthless atm, I agree < 1236797045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll read the article next, reading the discussion was easy < 1236797053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What article? < 1236797064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't tell me you don't have scrollback < 1236797073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he just joined < 1236797079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1236797082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/83rkc/very_clever_perlgolfed_arabictoromannumerals/ < 1236797098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ty < 1236797184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it seems it was hand-obfuscated at the end while maintaining constant length < 1236797191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1236797192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what explains the crazy choice of $ as a delimiter < 1236797212 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-93-123.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1236797235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pretty much understood how it worked, although I couldn't do the arithmetic lookup table in my head < 1236797240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi M0ny, by the way < 1236797263 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1236797288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236797296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1236797298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program converts < 1236797304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789000 to MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1236797307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, overflow? < 1236797338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't modify capital M when multiplying by 10 < 1236797343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also read that posting. Isn't this quite close to a perfect hash function that is as short as possible? < 1236797350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I misunderstood it < 1236797357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... um. sort of. < 1236797368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it can't be overflow < 1236797373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding more digits gives more < 1236797382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because they're seperate ones < 1236797382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is overflow < 1236797383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1236797384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lines) < 1236797387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it saturates at overflow < 1236797398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to work out why the -l on the command line
< 1236797421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: adds a newline, I think < 1236797428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % perl -pe 's;.;y$IVCXL91-I0$XLMCDXVIII$dfor$I.=4x$&%1859^7;eg;$_=$I'2 < 1236797428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :II3 < 1236797430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXIII3 < 1236797432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCXXXIII < 1236797447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just that < 1236797457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns on autochomping, and adds a newline at end of line to compensate < 1236797463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236797474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec the posting is from 2004? And the reddit post from 7 hours ago? < 1236797482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1236797483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that way the program doesn't have to worry about compensating for an attempt to translate a newline into roman numerals < 1236797487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it matter how old it is, AnMaster? < 1236797492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you can post any old link on reddit? < 1236797500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it is on the right topic of course < 1236797501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why the heck not? < 1236797505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are only new things worthwhile...? < 1236797528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, but only tracking new stuff making duplication avoiding easier < 1236797532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1236797535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only place newness is emphasised on reddit is the mainpage title (reddit.com: what's new online!), which most people don't see and was probably just a last-minute thing) < 1236797538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to find dups < 1236797541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's ridiculous, duplciation is good < 1236797547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everybody sees things first time < 1236797569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is it? Wouldn't keeping everything about something in one place be good? If there is some useful comment the first time it was posted < 1236797570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1236797581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit is about the links < 1236797583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments are a nice bonus < 1236797644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, knowing me, I often try to infer the content of the links from the comments rather than clicking on them < 1236797650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only follow the links if the comments imply they're interesting to me < 1236797670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you hate url shortening? < 1236797689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how does that follow from what I said? < 1236797700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf AnMaster < 1236797704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I like it, but only in appropriate contexts < 1236797719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because you can't see from the link itself what it means? < 1236797721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236797725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the COMMENTS < 1236797728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't do that anyway, it's just an URL < 1236797729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the link text < 1236797732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never even said that < 1236797735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w t f are you on about... < 1236797736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one form of comment, an in-band comment < 1236797738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1236797750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v < 1236797752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sigh
< 1236797754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I know that http://rickroll.com isn't a goatse? < 1236797761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never said I was trying to make sense... < 1236797764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's parked, actually < 1236797768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For resources and information on Rick and Origin of Rock N Roll < 1236797778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was guessing parked, actually < 1236797790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second guess was an actual rickroll, or else a guide about them < 1236797860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw... why did kerlo remove the unicode from topic? In logs I only see " Who's been using Unicode in here?", " unicode is evil" and kerlo changing the topic + a few unrelated lines < 1236797876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares? < 1236797880 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird < 1236797883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is your mom < 1236797892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3. integer overflow problem. < 1236797896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tragic. < 1236797929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of URL shorteners, http://snipr.com/dltn2 < 1236797938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that a link to? < 1236797945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website < 1236797951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a rickroll. nor goatse. < 1236797953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's getting somewhere < 1236797962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have been an individual web /page/, for instance < 1236797967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is < 1236797976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a link to a rickroll-link-maker < 1236797976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, now it's a rick roll. < 1236797978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so your first useful clue was actually wrong < 1236797986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a link to http://rickroll.tv/ < 1236797986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ah < 1236797989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's a link to http://rickroll.tv/classic < 1236797992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it had two clicks < 1236797997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snipr allows retargetable URLs? < 1236798000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1236798002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just redirects to < 1236798006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rickroll.tv/ < 1236798007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1236798009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that inspects the referer < 1236798014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counts up < 1236798014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1236798015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rickroll.tv works once from each referer? < 1236798019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | sʞɔoɹ ǝpoɔıun < 1236798019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of clever < 1236798023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configurable < 1236798027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on ricktoll.tv) < 1236798028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236798031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rickroll.tb < 1236798032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236798035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it < 1236798056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to RickRoll TV! On this channel, we (cuts to scene of Rick Astley) < 1236798064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236798077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to successfully rickroll, it has to make you think the rickroll isn't coming /yet/ < 1236798092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because from the name, you know it's coming < 1236798291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is so bad with rickroll? I mean I don't like the music especially, but it isn't *that* bad. < 1236798302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not meant to be particularly bad < 1236798304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it gets in the way of useful links? < 1236798305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cheesy < 1236798307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't all that bad, agreed < 1236798320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly redirecting people to about:blank would be about as annoying, if it had become a meme < 1236798320 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I like rickrolls < 1236798327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: I could have guessed. < 1236798330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, be careful in what you say... < 1236798332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not amazingly dangerous or annoying, but still annoying < 1236798332 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could < 1236798337 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you didn't < 1236798358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://tinyurl.com/18r < 1236798375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r
< 1236798385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1236798387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring. < 1236798393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can turn on preview by defaul. < 1236798393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1236798398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is officially the new rickroll: trick people into looking at the tinyurl preview page for about:blank < 1236798403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1236798407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinyurl.com: < 1236798410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so twisted... < 1236798411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Hide your affiliate URLs < 1236798411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you posting something that you don't want people to know what the URL is because it might give away that it's an affiliate link? Then you can enter a URL into TinyURL, and your affiliate link will be hidden from the visitor, only the tinyurl.com address and the ending address will be visible to your visitors. < 1236798416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1236798422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is etthics formed < 1236798429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: with one 't' < 1236798433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but doesn't preview work still? < 1236798435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how affiliate get clicked < 1236798439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meme fail >:( < 1236798446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of that meme < 1236798450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is babby formed < 1236798453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahoo answers < 1236798455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably google it < 1236798459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get meaningful results < 1236798460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Babby.jpg < 1236798464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/29/Babby.jpg (to avoid ads) < 1236798469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misses the answer, though. < 1236798472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ae has ads? < 1236798473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ads? < 1236798479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ED? yes. < 1236798487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1236798495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you never noticed it either? < 1236798495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, here's the answer: < 1236798496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back? it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids. they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest my pary are with the father who lost his children ; i am truley sorry for your lots < 1236798503 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flash movie is betetr < 1236798510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tombom: ais523 refuses to use flash < 1236798510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo. < 1236798514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1236798515 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ha < 1236798520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no flash here either < 1236798525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I also refuse to visit encyclopediadramatica < 1236798530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same here < 1236798531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it comes to much the same thing either way < 1236798532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1236798541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I directly linked to a jpg < 1236798545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of yahoo answers. < 1236798552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is the point in refusing to click that? < 1236798576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ED's admin(s) don't take kindly to hotlinking, but I guess a few clicks from IRC are safe < 1236798587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tell IRC from no-referrer-firewall < 1236798607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can, just not accurately < 1236798615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1236798621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record IPs < 1236798634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them? what would you do with it < 1236798635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what to ED's admins do in response to hotlinks < 1236798641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't want to know. < 1236798641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do ... ? < 1236798653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves replacing the image, and the page titled "Offensive" < 1236798656 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If IP went to image without going to the page of the image first, it came from somewhere else < 1236798670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not offensive < 1236798672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: replace it with goatse/tubgirl/etc panoramas and such < 1236798674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Offended" < 1236798678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guessed < 1236798684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: way worse than that, IME :P < 1236798694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you've experienced that? < 1236798694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 'and such' < 1236798699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how [[Offended]] starts with cute rabbit pictures < 1236798705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: once < 1236798717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um after you confirm that it came from elsewhere. Then what? < 1236798724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like how he apparently once got malware from ED
< 1236798733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that very unlikely, Sgeo < 1236798738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well if you get too many of those in a short while you replace the image < 1236798743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you couldn't know if it was IRC or email or IM or whatever < 1236798752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, and it doesn't matter < 1236798761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotlinking is bad, period. < 1236798774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about users using anonymous proxies? or such < 1236798779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely they should just do the reverse solution to avoid hotlinks? < 1236798789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, allow people to see the image only if the referrer is correct < 1236798789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err? < 1236798791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than if it's wrong < 1236798800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that breaks no-referer-firewalls < 1236798805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which there are a lot < 1236798809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do they actually care about those? < 1236798822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it can break in other cases too < 1236798827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ED isn't in the business of being actively hostile to its users < 1236798833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you use history in the browser < 1236798834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just other people's users < 1236798836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1236798841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the business of being passively hostile to its subjects, and actively hostile to anyone else < 1236798849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sounds about right < 1236798987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question < 1236799005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer? < 1236799008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to those on linux: any of you have a man page for gai.conf (section 5) < 1236799020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I do < 1236799023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linux.die.net/man/5/gai.conf < 1236799026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, from what package < 1236799035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ulrich Drepper wrote it. < 1236799038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know. I just can't find the man page on any of the systems I have < 1236799042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1236799044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc it seems < 1236799074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes I know what it is. Was just wondering why there was no man page *installed* for it. Since the config file does exist on several (but not all) of those systems < 1236799075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs the dpkg-query
< 1236799090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taking a while, I have lots of packages installed < 1236799094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236799127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, LimeChat has a pastebin built in < 1236799140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work, via a dedicated website? < 1236799142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasternak.superalloy.nl/pastes/1565 < 1236799151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love it so much if it just created a webserver on your system for that paste < 1236799152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it just uses some random pastebin < 1236799157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's broken by NAT, probably < 1236799163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid NAT, all sorts of things are broken by it < 1236799167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I didn't know dpkg-query could do it, now that you said debian has it I sshed to a debian system and indeed it exists there < 1236799169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be written by a ruby person, since limechat is a ruby thang that makes sense < 1236799177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: libc6: /usr/share/man/man5/gai.conf.5.gz < 1236799188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's in libc6 on debian < 1236799190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it would probably be faster if I ran it there, If I knew how to make dpkg-query do it < 1236799193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236799196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which agrees with what ehird thinks < 1236799202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would make sense < 1236799203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dpkg-query -S filename < 1236799203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google thinks < 1236799211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works if the file is currently installed via a package manager < 1236799216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it only searches packages you have < 1236799235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was your choice to trust google on that < 1236799236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah, took about half a second. Though admittedly not as much is installed < 1236799343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to write a gai.conf so it *prefers* IPv6 over IPv4. Getting IPv4 results back is pretty useless on an IPv6 only host... < 1236799355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv6 only? < 1236799360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1236799366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vps, with only ipv6 < 1236799366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as "paperweight" < 1236799367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ipv4 < 1236799375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's the future. Lets start early ;) < 1236799386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure not very useful yet. < 1236799396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering ipv6 adoption levels, it very well might not be the future < 1236799397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking forward to actually supported everywhere ipv6 due to hating NAT
< 1236799444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, personally I hope NAT will be possible under ipv6, knowning my ISP they are the type who would only give you one ip and require paying a lot extra per extra IP... < 1236799460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nat under ipv6? fail... < 1236799468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't even have a static IP.... < 1236799470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a problem < 1236799472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I < 1236799476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no sane ISP would do that < 1236799488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no sane ISPs < 1236799490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in the UK < 1236799496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't care about a dynamic IP nearly as much as I care that people can actually make incoming connections on arbitrary ports if I tell them my IP < 1236799501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about xs4all? < 1236799509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, list of sane ISPs: xs4all. < 1236799514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1236799520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best ISP in the UK, from what I grok, is Be < 1236799524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Be aren't available here < 1236799526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1236799549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc the TOS says something about only using one computer at the time, yet they ship adsl modem/router to customers, and it's pre-configured for NAT... < 1236799561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that ends up as "sane" < 1236799565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which ISP is that? < 1236799570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Tele2 < 1236799579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Virgin Media actually require you to use Windows < 1236799579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tele2 my face < 1236799582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHAT < 1236799586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the contract < 1236799586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? < 1236799590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: seriously < 1236799595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tele2 pronounces sort of like tell-it-to < 1236799599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SHDKJASHDJKAShdJKASDHKSDAD WHAT < 1236799603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's so they aren't sued when their windows-only setup program doesn't work < 1236799607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not in Swedish..., < 1236799615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the contract doesn't prevent you using a different OS as well < 1236799618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but swedes are dirty, so to hell with them < 1236799622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1236799631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the company is Scandinavian to begin with. < 1236799639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harumph < 1236799649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Swedish < 1236799651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1236799659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure if it was Norwegian or Swedish < 1236799667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tele2 < 1236799711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.appshopper.com/screenshots/304/682626.jpg (John Gruber's user interface of the week) < 1236799734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that good or bad? < 1236799742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? < 1236799742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Gruber? < 1236799747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1236799748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of http://daringfireball.net/ < 1236799760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he... made Markdown. and writes that blog. for a living. it's about macs. < 1236799766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however google won't answer "is this person stupid or cool" < 1236799772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236799775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd find it usable, if that's all the space available < 1236799776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid and cool are opposites? < 1236799781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not exactly < 1236799791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't find the precise perfect words < 1236799807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"acool" is the cool word.* < 1236799808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lies < 1236799809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however that GUI looks a bit cluttered to me < 1236799816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's a sarcastic award. < 1236799939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, those on/off slider thingies doesn't make much sense to me..., first it seems more logical that marker is on item that is active (reverse here), second: what is wrong with check boxes? they are established and while there may be better ways to do it, checkboxes aren't that bad IMO < 1236799949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A SARCASTIC AWARD < 1236799955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S AWARDED TO CRAP DESIGNS ;__; < 1236799956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1236799957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that < 1236799968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1236799971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a touch-screen < 1236799975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ON/OFF is the standard iphone checkbox < 1236799980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1236799981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a lot easier to slide than a checkbox < 1236800008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what about large check boxes?, Is tapping the screen hard? < 1236800036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :empirically, I find it a lot easier to tap wider-than-high things on a touchscreen < 1236800048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1236800051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the same tappability with a checkbox, it'd be a lot taller < 1236800057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus use more of the limited screen < 1236800078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1236800108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this sarcastic award, where is more info about it? < 1236800125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it on his website. < 1236800128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any post on df.net starting with "User Interface of the Week:". < 1236800129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1236800135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1236800158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users shouldn't need to scroll down, thats an usability problem~ < 1236800169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I get coughs and sneezes whenever I scroll < 1236800170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful stuff < 1236800179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, users should only need to look at the screen, anything more is a usability problem~ < 1236800181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to have four 30" screens in a rectangle < 1236800188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid scrolling as much as possible < 1236800192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I use 7px type, max < 1236800197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1236800203 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ok. Just make a NBTV set < 1236800210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this raises the privacy issue. since solving the usability issue would require mind reading.. < 1236800216 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1236800225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NBTV? < 1236800227 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could use eye movements < 1236800229 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it < 1236800232 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narrow Band Television < 1236800237 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mechanical TV < 1236800238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already googled it, there's nothing relevant < 1236800250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a WP article < 1236800265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, eye movements to navigate would still require more than minimal user effort < 1236800465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning a computer for the lazy: Run program that hogs all of the CPU. Watch fans go to 100% speed. Relax. :P < 1236800474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*note: I am not responsible for any damage caused :| < 1236800582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*note: does nothing, unless your fans are really bad or really good. < 1236800594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*note: I disclaim my walking to the ground. < 1236800616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 'narrow-band television' is basically ye old mechanical television. < 1236800661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't take much more than a light bulb, a motor, a disk with holes in it, and a sound card. < 1236800709 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1236800809 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any use for NBTV < 1236801032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder how long backing up a newly-installed system via ethernet would take < 1236801107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... tc seems to manage about 1:38 per gb < 1236801363 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1236801388 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236801435 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1236801488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1236801607 0 :Jophish!n=Jophish@80-47-69-80.lond-hex.dynamic.dial.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1236801711 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1236801722 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know why 'noremap ' doesn't work as expected? < 1236801731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what editor, vi? < 1236801749 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1236801750 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim < 1236801752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point, I won't answer because I don't know, and ehird will start extolling the virtues of TECO < 1236801760 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can map 0, or C-a, but not C-0 < 1236802140 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com/2009/03/tibetan-fox-thinks-hes-better-than-you.html < 1236802327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1236802329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x supports klingon < 1236802332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, linux < 1236802376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost certainly supports klingon too < 1236802384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but does gnome/kde? < 1236802388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the box? < 1236802390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you install? < 1236802398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ay? ay? < 1236802406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1236802445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't installed by default AFAICT < 1236802453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they wanted to save space on the CD for more useful things < 1236802469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in OS X, you never see any english text apart from "Mac OS X" and the menus in the installation language selection screen. < 1236802478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is clearly far superior. the choice for discerning trekkies. < 1236802486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1236802490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's an installer option. < 1236802494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have to do it post-install. < 1236802500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ubuntu was specifically designed to install in pretty much any language you wanted < 1236802511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban OS X would be fun < 1236802513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although klingon doesn't seem ot be in that list < 1236802544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'd only need to install language-pack-gnome-tlh, language-pack-kde-tlh, and language-pack-tlh < 1236802553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system would fully support klingon < 1236802579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's retarded, who the hell wants klingon < 1236802583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1236802622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely it appears to be an Ubuntu package, not a Debian one < 1236802637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/2009-02-25sl-4.jpg <- wow, snow leopard strips down the number of processors a lot < 1236802647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all 64-bit, too < 1236802654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236802656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :processes < 1236802668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalthough the cpu usage diagram doesn't match the list < 1236802670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishy < 1236802710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is designed to only show non-scary processes. < 1236802715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1236802731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Process 1 (callhome) omitted FOR YOUR SAFETY." < 1236802739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: processors, or processes? < 1236802752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:17 ehird: err < 1236802752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:17 ehird: processes < 1236802757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's filtered, obviously < 1236802760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no init in that list < 1236802766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no init in my list, either < 1236802775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor any other process with UID 1? < 1236802779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1236802782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID TTY TIME CMD < 1236802782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 ?? 0:02.29 /sbin/launchd < 1236802783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* PID 1 < 1236802785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X doesn't use init. < 1236802788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1236802794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(launchd = init + cron + daemontools) < 1236802801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally refer to any PID 1 process as init < 1236802807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and rc < 1236802810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inted < 1236802837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init + cron is an interesting combination to have in the same file < 1236802841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose it makes sense < 1236802851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it also contain an atd? < 1236802870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((atd?)) < 1236802877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: daemon for at < 1236802885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((at?)) < 1236802891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like cron, but only runs once < 1236802895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1236802895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at, batch, atq, atrm -- queue, examine, or delete jobs for later execu- < 1236802897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tion < 1236802899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1236802902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's one of the options in a launchd thingy < 1236802905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to only run once < 1236802908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1236802918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm mildly surprised at and cron are different programs < 1236802933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do half a thing and do it acceptably! < 1236802933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atd's stuck in my mind because it's been broken on ubuntu-proposed for months < 1236802953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite me telling them exactly where the bug was (although not where to fix it) < 1236802961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how to fix it < 1236802971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding the bug's normally the hard part, though, rather than fixing it < 1236803028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to complain that there seem to be no timing-related things in launchctl man page, but it seems that there are StartCalendarInterval-like properties that can be specified with a .plist file for a job. < 1236803054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try man launchd < 1236803059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1236803061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :launchd.plist < 1236803071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's where I got it from. < 1236803076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236803123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. < 1236803125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg: error processing at (--configure): < 1236803126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 < 1236803132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens on every single change to my package configuration < 1236803141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that Ubuntu is not very responsive to bug reports
< 1236803159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple are responsive to bug reports, but you don't know because you can't access their bug tracker < 1236803162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only submit to it < 1236803166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even "write-only" < 1236803172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "creat-only" < 1236803183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1236803291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at/+bug/158178 < 1236803359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually slightly surprised a bug that manifests on every single change to the package manager hasn't annoyed more people by now < 1236803368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe at isn't a standard package < 1236803383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1236803548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traditional init is also rather funny; telinit (the control tool) and actual init are a single binary, and unlike other people (who use something like argv[0] to decide how to act) init does "isinit = (getpid() == 1); ... if (!isinit) exit(telinit(p, argc, argv));" < 1236803561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236804342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1236804349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the wth? < 1236804354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde asked me what I wanted to do with a music cd I inserted < 1236804356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use hal afaik < 1236804361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did that happen... < 1236804364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use hotplug? < 1236804374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that kde devices systray thing? < 1236804380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no and no < 1236804390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I do use udev, but for cd it shouldn't affect it < 1236804401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I have root only no-auto mount in fstab for cd < 1236804420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1236804427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this was on your computer? < 1236804435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get confused sometimes when sshing around a lkot < 1236804436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lot < 1236804439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I strongly suspect you've got HAL on there. < 1236804450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this haven't happened before, I played a cd yesterday with no issues < 1236804459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. *Weird*. < 1236804464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does /usr/lib/hal exist for you? < 1236804474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1236804482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor /usr/lib64/hal < 1236804488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/sbin/hald? < 1236804496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1236804501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in bin < 1236804506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wherever sbin stuff normally is for you < 1236804510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kde has its own version of HAL or whatever < 1236804525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not only no but hell no. < 1236804530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since it is KDE 3 and I haven't upgraded anything I have no idea < 1236804538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have in the KDE 2 days... < 1236804540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wouldn't put it past KDE < 1236804541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean last upgraded was ~ 1 week ago < 1236804554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't rebooted or restarted X since then < 1236804591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 did some of that *kind* of BS... They seem to have wised up since. < 1236804610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster uses KDE 3. < 1236804614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because KDE 4 sucks because: < 1236804616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) it's new < 1236804617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) it's flashy < 1236804620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) it works too well < 1236804620 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-251.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1236804625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that's what I've gleaned from him. < 1236804652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err it doesn't, I tested it, and I couldn't get it to look the same as kde 3. I *could* get my KDE 3 to look like KDE 2 almost perfectly < 1236804658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close in KDE 4 < 1236804662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 works rather solidly; only KDE 4.2 has gotten KDE 4 up to the point where it could sanely replace KDE 3. < 1236804669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 3.5.9 here < 1236804681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, kde 4 cannot look precisely like kde 2! < 1236804681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrific. < 1236804693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically a crime against humanity < 1236804716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 still isn't really finished yet, I suspect < 1236804719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I fail to see why you are bothered that users have different taste? < 1236804720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be production-ready around 4.4 < 1236804727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4.2 is at least of releasable quality < 1236804742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am completely unsurprised that KDE 3 could look like KDE 2 with ease... After all, KDE 3 was little more than a port of KDE 2 to Qt 3. < 1236804743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no. I think KDE 4 it will be production ready around KDE 5.0 release < 1236804745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't help that you try and advertise your opinions to others whenever they, say, talk about how they like KDE4. < 1236804774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd say it's rather close now... < 1236804783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, So discussion and expressing opinions is forbidden now? < 1236804801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, my only complaints with it ATM is Amarok being somewhat screwy still, and K3B hasn't been ported yet. < 1236804807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/are/ < 1236804819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wouldn't that be K4B? < 1236804827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But "Hey, KDE 4 is quite nice, it does such and such and such." "I don't like KDE4, too bloated, I use KDE 3.14" "Well, okay." "Ooh, this is nice about KDE 4, it—" "I don't like KDE4, too bloated, I use KDE 3.14" < 1236804829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1236804835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat ad infinitum, and perhaps you can see why it's goddamn annoying. < 1236804838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 3.14? < 1236804846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K3B = KDE Burn, Baby, Burn. < 1236804852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1236804870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well though I very seldom use k3b, when I do want to burn a cd I use it... < 1236804894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either that or crack open cdrecord. < 1236804899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than checking the syntax/name for $current_cdrecord_replacement < 1236804915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I managed to get the original one back. < 1236804942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdrecord/cdrkit isn't hard to remember the syntax for if you're only using it to burn ISOs... < 1236804958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdrecord dev=/dev/scd0 foo.iso; Whoo. < 1236804961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, hearing cdrecord reminded me of a guy in #slicehost who was basically in internet-tears because his parents were complaining about him about something like spending too much time on the computer, and how they didn't understand that he maintained a "vital part of linux infrastructure" (= he contributed to a cd burning library that I've never heard of) < 1236804966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well usually I don't just burn ISOs < 1236804983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of what I burn is ISOs. < 1236804989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jorg schilling is crazy < 1236805003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the rare case I'm not, mkisofs is probably sufficient. < 1236805003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all he does is go around all day saying how all non-original cdrecords are evil and broken < 1236805004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I need to remember mkisofs and/or how on earth to create music cds... < 1236805006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osm < 1236805013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Osm < 1236805015 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1236805020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "basically in internet-tears"? < 1236805022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A typoed "Isn'". < 1236805023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've burned a music CD since middle school. < 1236805036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You come up with a better word. :P < 1236805036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err I'm *forced* to agree with him. the cdrkit fails to burn correct cd-rw in my drive < 1236805037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to mention that it's Jörg, not Jorg < 1236805041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original cdrecord works fine < 1236805048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think that either he was in internet-tears, or he wasn't < 1236805052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdrkit just results in unreadable cds < 1236805053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a non-original name! < 1236805059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making fun of him, see. <-- excuse < 1236805064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I burn capacitors and diodes more often than CDs, probably < 1236805064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Quite bizzare, considering cdrkit is a fork of cdrecord. < 1236805068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not all that much recently < 1236805071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Schrödinger's internet tears < 1236805091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, and in one case a erase of the cd-rw didn't even work... < 1236805100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just crazy < 1236805100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freeow. < 1236805107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1236805126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1236805167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No definitions were found for Freeow. < 1236805171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H2G2 reference, misspelt. < 1236805189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't recall the right spelling. < 1236805193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... now that you mentions H2G2 it *does* sound slightly familiar < 1236805310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freeeow," he said. < 1236805316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was quite close. < 1236805500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in which of the books? and context? < 1236805574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Judiciary Pag, when pronouncing Krikkit's sentence at that trial thing. < 1236805591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that from Mostly Harmless? < 1236805595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one fucked up book < 1236805601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't < 1236805606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1236805608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while since I read h2g2 < 1236805610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from LTUAE < 1236805634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole Krikkit/Hactar plot is in book 3, yes. < 1236805691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He scratched his crotch reflectively. "Freeeow," he said. He took another sip of water, then held it up to the light and frowned at it. He twisted it round. "Hey, is there something in this water?" he said. "Er, no, m'lud," said the Court Usher who had brought it to him, rather nervously. "Then take it away," snapped Judiciary Pag, "and put something in it. I got an idea." < 1236805698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a longer quote. < 1236805761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character does have a habit of similar noises. Later on, on the beach: "Weeeeelaaaaah!" said Zipo Bibrok 5 / 108, and you would have had to have been there to know exactly why he said this. < 1236805842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's supposed to be something like 5 x 10^8 or some-such; I'm not sure why it's a / there. Maybe this is some sort of OCR digitalization. < 1236805854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really remember what is in which book when you have an omnibus edition < 1236805870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have an omnibus < 1236805872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's huge < 1236805881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB-sized < 1236805888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB being? < 1236805892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel,_Escher,_Bach < 1236805962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Cambridge's dictionary - Advanced Edition is way larger and thicker though < 1236805977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've mentioned this before, but on ircnet's #douglasadams we used to have a game where a bot pasted a small snippet (three lines, I think), and awarded a point to whoever was the quickest to correctly enter 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5, depending on which book the quote was from. < 1236805980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not really comparable, AnMaster :P < 1236805986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but the largest one I have would be one at 3 kg... < 1236805994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1236806011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since book1 and book4 start almost identically, sometimes the game was a bit difficult. < 1236806018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1236806025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3kg book? < 1236806029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1236806068 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1236806088 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1236806121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1236806130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I remember when I first got my H2G2 omnibus for Christmas... < 1236806138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the whole thing in 12 hours. < 1236806140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the craziest thing about my GEB? < 1236806142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fucking PAPERBACK < 1236806148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebus. < 1236806150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the biggest paperback ever < 1236806160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my H2G2 is paperback < 1236806161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you pick it up, a few gravitational collapses happen < 1236806164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost worn out < 1236806176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the spine is your mortal enemy < 1236806178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you read in 12 hours? < 1236806181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: mine's a paperback too < 1236806196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's awful! < 1236806206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have GEB, so I can't comment on it < 1236806219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book itself is great < 1236806229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also how come you haven't yet asked what the 3 kg book is? < 1236806233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1236806238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geb < 1236806242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you'd tell me, AnMaster < 1236806243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1236806244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h2g2 < 1236806246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnibus < 1236806247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said pikhq < 1236806251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15 pikhq: Ah, I remember when I first got my H2G2 omnibus for Christmas... < 1236806251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15 pikhq: I read the whole thing in 12 hours. < 1236806252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so do you want to know or not? < 1236806255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely YOU have scrollback... < 1236806257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure. < 1236806260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1236806263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my heaviest book here is Kreyszig's Advanced Engineering Mathematics, 8th Edition (the paperback version, no less). Not that it's especially huge, mind you. I can't seem to find the specs, but the 9th edition hardcover has an amazon.com shipping weight of 2.2 kg. < 1236806273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, complete history of the US airforce (yes I'm very interested in aircraft stuff as you probably know) < 1236806294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heaviest book of all time is SICP. SICP is the only acceptable book. All others cannot achieve the SATORI given by SICP. Have _you_ read your SICP today? < 1236806329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err SATORI? aspell likes it so I guess it has to mean something, but firefox just segfaulted.... < 1236806339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATORI, n. The unique property given by SICP. < 1236806343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP, n. The book giving SATORI. < 1236806366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Heaviest book I've got here is either my H2G2 omnibus or my Emacs manual. < 1236806373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah google was more helpful... now that firefox restarted... "(Zen Buddhism) a state of sudden spiritual enlightenment " < 1236806401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should bind TAOCP together in a single book, that'd be quite a brick. < 1236806406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you have a printed emacs manual? < 1236806466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in PAPERBACK < 1236806475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would it beat Tolkins' famous trilogy in omnibus? < 1236806478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you keep trying to use emacs keybindings on it < 1236806489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper back of course < 1236806492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1236806511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An eyeball-based comparison says that my three-book-hardcover TAOCP is a bit larger in volume than my three-book-hardcover LOTR. < 1236806521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for emacs manual I actually think the context sensitive help inside emacs would be way faste < 1236806524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster* < 1236806543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm < 1236806545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236806546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1236806564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP is actually NP-complete. Reading it requires a SATORI-card. < 1236806568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be sure about this, but I think the individual books are also heavier, weight-wise. Certainly content-wise. < 1236806594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well content-wise of course... < 1236806669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw from google image search: http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/large_images/594/202468594.jpg < 1236806681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the spine? < 1236806684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really doesn't show how large or thick < 1236806711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the seal thing is embossed thingy, like sewn onto the cover... < 1236806718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not the spine < 1236806719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1236806742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it is larger than A4 too. Wait I can measure the size < 1236806754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SPINE IS LARGER THAN AN A4 PIECE OF PAPER? < 1236806757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE BOOK? WHAT THE FUCK. < 1236806768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is PAPERBACK?! < 1236806781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's a famous picture of what the OOXML standard looked like printed out < 1236806792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6x24x34 < 1236806798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm < 1236806827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thickness width height < 1236806840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and not paper back no < 1236806844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1236806866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, spine, and fake leather on outside < 1236806884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1236806886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pages is it? < 1236806902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed < 1236806904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec* < 1236806931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :624, but the paper is very high quality thick and glossy < 1236806951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not photo level glossy, but slightly glossy < 1236806954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: publish Finnegan's Wake like that < 1236806955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1236806968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe an ayn rand book is longer) < 1236806975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1236806977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1236807094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found a pic showing how thick it was < 1236807096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1236807110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000+ pages < 1236807116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the US airforce one is not as thick as it is large in other directions mainly < 1236807146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I think I have seen a dictionary thicker than it, but not as large format. I have to have it on the top shelf, doesn't fit elsewhere... < 1236807179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kreyszig: 25.5 cm high, 20 cm wide, 6 cm thick; number of pages... uh, last page is I-20. Before I-1 there's A97. They're not making this easy. Before A1 comes page 1156. And before page 1 there's page xvi. So I guess the lower bound is 16+1156+97+20 = 1289 pages. < 1236807209 0 :Jophish!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1236807232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read it? < 1236807238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is *far* from the 34 cm high and 23 wide... < 1236807238 0 :Jophish!n=Jophish@80-47-79-201.lond-hex.dynamic.dial.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1236807266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's still >2 kg, though. Dense stuff. < 1236807270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1236807284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A reasonable percentage of it, but not comprehensively. < 1236807304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the page count I gave above was large numbered page. So add uh *checks* 4 to that < 1236807322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you an advanced engineer then? < 1236807327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1236807332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advanced engineering mathematician < 1236807335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Kreyszig"? I can't find any book with that name with google < 1236807339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only people with that name < 1236807343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1236807347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a name < 1236807351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236807352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did mention the complete name of the book, earlier. < 1236807355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of textbooky things are referred to by their name < 1236807356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. K&R < 1236807357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1236807357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236807359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by their author's, names < 1236807366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced Engineering Mathematics, 8th Edition. < 1236807374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: tons of textbooky things are referred to by their name too, though < 1236807379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1236807379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you were right first time as well < 1236807386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm not very advanced. Maybe I should've read more. < 1236807387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, TAOCP? SICP? < 1236807401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have cited TAOCP as Knuth, in my experience. < 1236807410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP is, of course, [b]The Sussman[/b]. < 1236807412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just refer to books by their isbn < 1236807423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "the wizard book" < 1236807427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you say [b]The Sussman[/b] too much, your [b]Satori[/b] is revoked. < 1236807461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While looking for Kreyszig, I also came across "Seven-place values of trigonometric functions", "compiled by dr. J. Peters". This is a small book, but on the other hand it's useless too. < 1236807475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/cover.jpg lists three authors btw. < 1236807477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1236807488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abelson is filthy traitor of Forced Indentation of Code. < 1236807495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol just a massive list? :D < 1236807499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Julie Sussman is The Sussman's alter-ego. < 1236807518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I say is indisputable. Brb -> < 1236807519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that book < 1236807526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 random numbers or something? < 1236807526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236807527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- < 1236807528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more < 1236807529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's useful. < 1236807538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the front inner cover it has a taped-on label: "This book has been presented to Finland by the Government of the United States of America, under Public Law 265, 81st Congress, as an expression of the friendship and good will which the people of the United States hold for the people of Finland." < 1236807540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but it should be rather thick and heavy right? < 1236807544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1236807544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1236807581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uh.... ? < 1236807592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it says; I don't know what it means. < 1236807593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like crazy < 1236807597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so they love us enough to write a 2 minute python script to generate the table? < 1236807621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Originally published in Germany as Siebenstellige Werte der Trigonometrischen Funktionen"; Copyright, 1918, 1938. < 1236807622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a joke label on your copy? If it is second hand I'd guess so < 1236807624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit old. < 1236807629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's no joke. < 1236807634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236807643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it was donated to our university library; that's where I got it from. < 1236807649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not much python scripting back then. < 1236807676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well googling for "Public Law 265, 81st Congress" did return relevant results... < 1236807682 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1236807688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan! < 1236807694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1236807696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hiwc < 1236807705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1236807711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1236807747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw I need to borrow your frying pan. Firefox segfaulted randomly a lot today... And KDE decided to start asking about CDs that I insert... < 1236807811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe you caught a virus that silently replaced Linux with Windows whilst trying to keep everything looking the same so you didn't notice < 1236807813 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1236807842 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was it you who won the wolfram thing? < 1236807847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then they should provide it for windows as a replacement for cygwin. I mean I done lots of POSIX specific programming today < 1236807854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes < 1236807885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask, by the way? < 1236807958 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1236807968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wth, yesterday xine refused to show track names for this cd, and I knew it was in freedb (checked with cd-info), this morning it showed them. Now it doesn't again... < 1236807978 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236807990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, either windows or centos. Hard to say... < 1236808004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does uname display? < 1236808015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux tux.lan 2.6.27-gentoo-r8-1 #1 Sat Jan 31 04:55:36 CET 2009 x86_64 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux < 1236808028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I would expect it to say < 1236808052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have been thourough and faked that, too. < 1236808058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1236808077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a windsor sauce pan, not a frying pan. but here you are. ===\___/ < 1236808104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, question about usage, it isn't "swats", what is the right word? < 1236808109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hits"? < 1236808141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236808145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1236808177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really "swat" with a sauce pan < 1236808182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bash" might do < 1236808187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah "hits". < 1236808193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Firefox with oerjan's sauce pan ===\___/
< 1236808196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits KDE with oerjan's sauce pan ===\___/
< 1236808202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits xine with oerjan's sauce pan ===\___/
< 1236808212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ahnds the sauce pan back to oerjan
< 1236808214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think "clobbers" is also a nice word < 1236808215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hands* < 1236808241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you used it well ===\/\/ < 1236808252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also linux can fake uname. How else would this work: < 1236808253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ linux32 uname -a < 1236808253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux tux.lan 2.6.27-gentoo-r8-1 #1 Sat Jan 31 04:55:36 CET 2009 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux < 1236808255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends it for repairs
< 1236808259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant for 32-bit chroots < 1236808262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no need < 1236808264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix it < 1236808274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just hand it back < 1236808277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a sec < 1236808287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ===\/\/ < 1236808306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is there a 32-bit version of linux32? < 1236808308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns oerjan's sauce pan upside down and hits KDE again ===/^^^\
< 1236808321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marvelous technique < 1236808322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is probably some nifty unicode for line at top < 1236808327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know it < 1236808349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there is, and I have it installed < 1236808362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so the corrugated ^^^ is just a rendering issue < 1236808374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you turn it you will see it is perfectly flat < 1236808381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands the saucepan back to oerjan
< 1236808394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the saucepan carefully ===\___/
< 1236808413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that makes no sense on 32-bit linux < 1236808423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only makes sense if you can run more than one ABI < 1236808427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like AMD64 < 1236808440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@dell:~$ setarch i686 < 1236808442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@dell:~$ uname -a < 1236808443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux dell 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:24:39 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux < 1236808447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1236808454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :course it makes sense < 1236808458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't change shell? < 1236808460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it doesn't change anything < 1236808461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1236808462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it does < 1236808470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the new shell looked identical to the old one < 1236808486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you expect it to look different? < 1236808501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I almost always use the linux32 symlink with "chroot" < 1236808516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I wasn't aware of that it defaulted to "new shell" < 1236808537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, setarch --help lists more interesting stuff < 1236808638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Unknown language "-" < 1236808641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from lisp paste < 1236808645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what went wrong < 1236808665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I see < 1236808668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it < 1236808713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my setarch has all these options: http://paste.lisp.org/display/76852 maybe it varies between platforms < 1236808735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setarch changes the uname system call that programs use to decide what libraries to load, etc < 1236808753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have the same version of setarch as you, more or less < 1236808754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same options < 1236808764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux32 is a symlink to setarch, or a wrapper around it < 1236808767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. How does it change the uname system call? < 1236808783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, presumably there's an API for doing that sort of thing < 1236808814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't LD_PRELOAD since it works on statically linked busybox < 1236808819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ setarch i686 /bin/busybox uname -a < 1236808819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux tux.lan 2.6.27-gentoo-r8-1 #1 Sat Jan 31 04:55:36 CET 2009 i686 unknown < 1236808830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ /bin/busybox uname -a < 1236808830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux tux.lan 2.6.27-gentoo-r8-1 #1 Sat Jan 31 04:55:36 CET 2009 x86_64 unknown < 1236808847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah strace told me: < 1236808848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personality(PER_LINUX32) = 0 < 1236808851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth? < 1236808859 0 :atrapado!n=nnn@cm19117.red91-117.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1236808866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great. Linux has *split personalities* < 1236808869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1236808880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNOPSIS < 1236808880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #include < 1236808880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int personality(unsigned long persona); < 1236808906 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"04:44 PM" < 1236808908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1236808912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, err? < 1236808923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means 16:44 < 1236808971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1236808983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum { blah = 0, }; < 1236808987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to work? < 1236808989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's legal < 1236809001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't there be some type name for the enum somewhere? < 1236809003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trailing commas are allowed inside enums in C < 1236809005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The swatter requires oerjan-nature. :( < 1236809007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MU < 1236809008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for people who have a #define rash. < 1236809020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the comma wasn't the issue... < 1236809023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: implicit int IIRC < 1236809036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, smallest integer that fits them all < 1236809048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ger/gral/ < 1236809090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the lack of typename, I think it's legal < 1236809096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if no typename and no variable is legal < 1236809096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enum { blah = 0, } foo; is certainly legal < 1236809097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, from /usr/include/sys/personality.h (but not as short) < 1236809097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no variable < 1236809097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like struct { int bar; } quux; is legal < 1236809097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what use would struct { int bar; }; be ?! < 1236809097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for enum it could still be used though < 1236809104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, but for enum it is legal. < 1236809107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just I would have expected either enum foo { ... }; or a typedef < 1236809116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236809139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1236809145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no docs what the flags do there < 1236809159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STICKY_TIMEOUTS, WHOLE_SECONDS? < 1236809160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has structural bars < 1236809171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ADDR_LIMIT_3GB is quite self explaining... < 1236809179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whole seconds where? < 1236809233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it disables an optimisation, normally if your computer isn't doing anything for a while it uses the excess processing power to do a bit of timetravel, small fractions of each second are sent back to kernel.org where they can be stockpiled for restoring the Earth in the case of an apocalypse < 1236809248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people don't like programs that call home, so the option's there to turn it off < 1236809258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that humor is just too absurd... < 1236809275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1236809293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, MMAP_PAGE_ZERO? < 1236809304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, I've just realised what that would do < 1236809309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1236809312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would mean that NULL would become a legal pointer-to-data < 1236809317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1236809345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can still on x86 mmap() at 0, for example if you are going to mess with vm86() < 1236809435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, atm I'm grepping kernel source to find WHOLE_SECONDS and STICKY_TIMEOUTS... the other flags I can make quite educated guesses about < 1236809525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1236809527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is strange < 1236809528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chops a second in two and donates half to science
< 1236809537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only mentioned in Documentation and header file < 1236809540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere in source... < 1236809541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1236809550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a C64 you have to be tricky of you want to write to the first two bytes; there's memory-mapped registers at locations 0 and 1. < 1236809571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hardware registers? < 1236809581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, non-cpu ones? < 1236809601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a PIC, reading from or writing to address 0 is how you do indirect addressing < 1236809613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1236809619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the constant be used on the source < 1236809622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried several < 1236809625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found nothing < 1236809651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Address 0 controls the read/read-write mode of address 1, while 1 has a couple of rather random bits related to the "MMU" and other stuff. < 1236809724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok STICKY_TIMEOUTS hit something < 1236809741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's called "processor port", so they might be implemented in the CPU; maybe they toggle some CPU pins or something. It's been a couple of years since I last even saw a 6510. < 1236809783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems that the address 0/1 stuff is pretty much what differentiates a 6510 (used in C64) from a 6502; there's a 6-bit I/O port in it, controlled by that register. < 1236809785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems related to select() timeout < 1236809790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about details < 1236809886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would mean that NULL would become a legal pointer-to-data < 1236809887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1236809889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1236809916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : error = do_mmap(NULL, 0, PAGE_SIZE, PROT_READ | PROT_EXEC, < 1236809916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MAP_FIXED | MAP_PRIVATE, 0); < 1236809942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVr4 compat... < 1236809964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know linux emulated that ABI < 1236809964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROT_NONE for 100% safety! < 1236810030 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1236810422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:57 AnMaster: not sure what went wrong < 1236810425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what happened? < 1236810429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the issue? < 1236810446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you mean the KDE thing, the Firefox thing or the xine thing? < 1236810451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisppaste < 1236810453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language - < 1236810454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236810455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236810456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do < 1236810458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisppaste - lang? < 1236810459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of < 1236810461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisppaste lang - < 1236810462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1236810467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then? < 1236810470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisppaste - <(command) < 1236810480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1236810485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1236810487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it expands to < 1236810495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236810495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisppaste - /dev/fd/23 < 1236810497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1236810497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1236810505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1236810508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make the title configurable < 1236810514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/dev/fd/63" is not very helpful < 1236810523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why 63? < 1236810528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/76853 < 1236810532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/fd/63 < 1236810537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1236810552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came up as Anonymous; haven't you set LISPPASTE_USER? < 1236810572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I don't like polluting our environment < 1236810578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236810589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can just $EDITOR `which lisppaste` < 1236810590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put < 1236810592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISPPASTE_USER=AnMaster < 1236810593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1236810601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it isn't in PATH < 1236810610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$EDITOR /path/to/lisppaste < 1236810618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know why you want a command line tool if not for PATH convenienc < 1236810619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1236810648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/bin/lisppaste is a symlink to ~/irc/freenode/esoteric/ehird/lisppaste < 1236810662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ~/bin is in your path is it not? < 1236810666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't < 1236810669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1236810673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would be insecure! < 1236810675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~ < 1236810683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is your home partition mounted noexec? < 1236810683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you could give yourself a virus < 1236810697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it isn't actually < 1236810703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but it might be a good idea < 1236810706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T GIVE HIM IDE— < 1236810707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I weren't a programmer < 1236810725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: even if I gave AnMaster an IDE, he probably wouldn't use it < 1236810728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236810729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you think adding paste annotation is a worthy feature? < 1236810732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I'd do it < 1236810741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you give a number instead of or with a language < 1236810741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Indeed I prefer SATA < 1236810743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd annotate that paste < 1236810756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% lisppaste 76853 <(setarch --help) < 1236810768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I shall make a language called 76853 < 1236810777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shall be a HQ9+ variant < 1236810779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have to get p.lisp.org to support it < 1236810788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because I can't think anything else up right now) < 1236810798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok true < 1236810837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:/Previous Systems.localized/2009-02-11_1200/Users/ehird/Documents/Code] % find <-- searching for old code gives me a wonderous prompt of verbosity < 1236810934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why "Previous System" < 1236810946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the system before my upgrade to leopard < 1236810948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archive & Install < 1236810948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that back on pre-OS X and old windows. All the reinstalls < 1236810955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that seems strange < 1236810965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not just attacking OS X < 1236810969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice excuse to clean out my system :P < 1236810971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attacking lots of other OS too < 1236810975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, upgrades are generally flaky on most OSes. < 1236810984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Linux can be a bit odd after a full distro release upgrade. < 1236810985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Windows and many linux distros < 1236810994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, exactly. Which is why I prefer rolling release < 1236811001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have good upgrade handling < 1236811004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolling release is pretty good, but not really commercializable < 1236811007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it happens so often < 1236811014 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1236811017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commercial software is pretty much a ghetto of releases < 1236811026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you can make more money that wya < 1236811028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way* < 1236811039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what distros apart from arch and gentoo use rolling release? < 1236811044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None that I know of. < 1236811048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236811052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: rolling release is trivially commercialisable, just make someone rent the OS not buy it < 1236811055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that one with insane paths < 1236811057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the name < 1236811061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobolinux < 1236811062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobolinux < 1236811062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1236811064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, many computer games are becoming episodic nowadays < 1236811068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it 'sane' < 1236811074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ugh, I would hate to rent an OS < 1236811081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, lets ignore that wording for a second < 1236811093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, renting a OS < 1236811096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1236811111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the security concerns < 1236811120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they have to be able to take it back somehow < 1236811123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an EULA is as far as I'll go for digital purchasing thingies < 1236811145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't accept an EULA that either isn't GPL or very short < 1236811147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not happy with OS X's EULA forbidding installation on non-macs, either < 1236811153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GPL is a license, not an EULA < 1236811169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true, but it does partly fill the same function < 1236811170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licenses just cover distribution, EULAs cover use < 1236811177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok true < 1236811225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people using windows auto-installer-creators put the GPL in the EULA slot < 1236811230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1236811235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the installer can't grasp that an EULA might not be wanted < 1236811236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see. I haven't bought an OS since I got my ibook ages ago < 1236811240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first model ibook < 1236811241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. A game called "Stalin VS Martians". < 1236811262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes indeed I have seen that < 1236811265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be about Stalin, fighting martians. < 1236811287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen auto-installer things just put in the EULA "This work is licensed under the GPL."... < 1236811293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link? < 1236811298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stalinvsmartians.com/en/ < 1236811299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, presumably you agree that it is, in fact, GPL'd. < 1236811300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1236811302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGnNbKfpx9k < 1236811305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a RTS < 1236811316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1236811341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought I'd see a cheerful 3D Stalin dancing. < 1236811458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a joke right? < 1236811463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a real game. < 1236811468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trailer appears to be un-serious-ly. < 1236811469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1236811491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stalinvsmartians.com/screenshot0003.jpg < 1236811497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pre-emptively deem it Game of the Year. < 1236811523 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1236811557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that trailer made by the company or as a joke by someone else? < 1236811564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :company < 1236811570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. again < 1236811578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Vopros: Can we play as Stalin himself? < 1236811578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otvet: Yes, but not from the start. Stalin is our commander and he gives us orders. Closer to the grand finale he will appear on the battlefield as a playable unit - a huge colossus, five times higher than any other creature. Just like it was in the real life.]] < 1236811600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1236811606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From their FAQ. < 1236811615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this company? < 1236811622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three companies, apparently. < 1236811630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major ones or? < 1236811638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A BWF/DREAMLORE/N-GAME CO-PRODUCTION". < 1236811640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of them. < 1236811643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1236811655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bwf-game.com/ < 1236811659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamloregames.com/ < 1236811659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ngsdev.com/ < 1236811665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter two are in russian. < 1236811691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY FUCKING GOD < 1236811693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nabble.com/-scala--URGENT%3A-Please-read-if-you-have-any-information-about-Tony-Morris-to22462911.html < 1236811727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1236811731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1236811740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Update: We've received information about Tony's home address that we believe to be current. The police are sending a team there now." < 1236811743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's hope it's not too late... < 1236811750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1236811758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the police were there < 1236811761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh, he's left on his bike... < 1236811763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he left on a motorbike < 1236811771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hello, ehird < 1236811872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they arrived 1 second apart here < 1236811894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, possibly less from lament's point of view < 1236811900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even < 1236811956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After me and another mentioned it: < 1236811956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:51 Eridius: this discussion is already in #haskell-blah < 1236811958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a fuckwit. < 1236811968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw that thing on nabble... I never heard of this person < 1236811976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in the scala/haskell etc communities < 1236812108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw what is nabble exactly? < 1236812108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know what system var to set to add to gcc's default include path? < 1236812113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nabble is a mailing list archiver < 1236812118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was posted to the scala mailing list < 1236812129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no not off the top of my head < 1236812146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would use command line instead < 1236812155 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1236812158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing with RubyGems, so < 1236812158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for autotools CPPFLAGS < 1236812161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: WHAT < 1236812162 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is vim indenting two tabs when I press enter < 1236812171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have autoindent set < 1236812173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except fucked < 1236812174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1236812178 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoindent: uses the indent from the previous line. < 1236812186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cindent, then < 1236812187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1236812203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, modify the file that calls gcc? < 1236812205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems easiest < 1236812208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no. < 1236812211 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1236812214 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::set nocindent worked < 1236812215 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not from vimrc < 1236812216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also check if rubygem has a way to do it < 1236812228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, does the file include one of those mode lines? < 1236812248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, C_INCLUDE_PATH < 1236812260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that the rubygem one? < 1236812262 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236812263 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per buffer < 1236812264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1236812264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc < 1236812267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1236812269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: maybe it's set automatically from a language-specific setup file? < 1236812282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about modeline? < 1236812289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the file < 1236812377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1236812389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, btw what is nabble exactly? < 1236812390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well? < 1236812395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered. < 1236812399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236812401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1236812403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now < 1236812406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed it < 1236812412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night anyway < 1236812652 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1236812655 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god I love vim < 1236812659 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes me to the line with an error < 1236812691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: what editor doesn't do that? < 1236812696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1236812709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even BC++ for Windows did that ten years ago, and it was pretty rubbish < 1236812934 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird! :D < 1236812957 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kate? :p < 1236812971 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any IDE will do it, but vim grabs the line from the make error < 1236812973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://www.nabble.com/-scala--URGENT%3A-Please-read-if-you-have-any-information-about-Tony-Morris-to22462911.html < 1236812978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: so does emacs < 1236812980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just linking in case there's anything you can do) < 1236812983 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't use emacs < 1236812996 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1236813001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see what i commented on earlier? < 1236813005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. What? < 1236813075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ (x,y) : x,y in N, &(x,y) = 0 } < 1236813083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1236813090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sierpinski shows up everywhere. < 1236813107 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :o < 1236813109 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1236813111 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is tony morris? < 1236813138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dobblego from #haskell, apparently < 1236813145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka dibblego < 1236813149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also on programming reddit. < 1236813168 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno him. < 1236813320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate to break this to you but they took tin foil off the market years ago, its all aluminum now, the tin stuff worked. < 1236813325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best conspiracy theory ever < 1236813330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236813331 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amzi.com/articles/prolog_under_the_hood.htm < 1236813334 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should 'ail.' read 'fail.'? < 1236813346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurnan should read human, too. < 1236813364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reminds me of a joke some irish comedian told < 1236813388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whats this 'aluminum foil' americans use? noone says 'aluminum foil', thats all wrong! everyone knows its said 'tin foil'." < 1236813436 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1236813494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brief browsings on the stuff make me believe a tinfoil hat is a useless mind control ray stopper, as the open bottom prevents it from being an efficient faraday cage < 1236813514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be safe, you need a tinfoil burka < 1236813534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a fine metal mesh over the eyes < 1236813588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and closed at the bottom < 1236813601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess steel shoes would do < 1236813605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinfoil catsuit < 1236813632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles for tinfoil burka and gets several hits
< 1236813783 0 :kwertii!n=kwertii@c-71-202-121-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1236813793 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1236814827 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando" < 1236815095 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1236815281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what's that formula, again? < 1236815309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (x `band` y) == 0 | x <- [0..w], y <- [0..h] ] < 1236815310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ (x,y) : x,y in N, &(x,y) = 0 } < 1236815310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1236815316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where band = bitwise and. < 1236815333 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah but you dont want [ (band x y) == 0 ...] < 1236815345 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1236815349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'll just give you [T,F,T,...] < 1236815352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1236815352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want the points themselves < 1236815355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be a condition, not the result < 1236815356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er? < 1236815364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using mine to draw a bitmap. < 1236815369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where False = black and True = white. < 1236815387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1236815392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but whats the type of that list? < 1236815396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Bool]. < 1236815399 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1236815407 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you draw a bitmap for that? :P < 1236815411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a list of bools < 1236815420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a list of point-bool pairs < 1236815430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know w and h. < 1236815437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you take w elements, and go down one. < 1236815448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[(x `band` y) == 0 | x <- [0..w]] | y <- [0..h]] might be better < 1236815449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyyyes but thats not what you wrote :) < 1236815464 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you wrote was just a list of T,F < 1236815475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a list of what points are T and what are false < 1236815510 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you obviously dont need to code it like that < 1236815522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts swatting psygnisfive then thinks better of it
< 1236815523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just doubly iterate < 1236815524 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1236815529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you swatting me? < 1236815533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i say is true! < 1236815534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierpinski :: Integer -> Integer -> [(Integer,Integer)] < 1236815535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierpinski w h = [ (x,y) | x <- [0..w], y <- [0..h], x .&. y == 0 ] < 1236815545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to write the rest -> < 1236815545 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1236815554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very beautiful formula, though. < 1236815558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even nicer than the chaos game. < 1236815564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im not writing it in haskell so :p < 1236815585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i odnt know haskell's image generating utilities < 1236815594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just generate console output :P < 1236815605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose. but i dont know how to do that either :D < 1236815611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putChar < 1236815650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or putStr after you combine everything < 1236815667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierpinski' :: Integer -> Integer -> [[Bool]] < 1236815667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierpinski' w h = [ [ x .&. y == 0 | x <- [0..w] ] | y <- [0..h] ] < 1236815670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ easier to use < 1236815675 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose actually you could just do something like... build the appropriate [[Char]]s and then map putChar < 1236815676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1236815684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont really care, so < 1236815685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map putChar = putStr, duh. < 1236815701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1236815705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have it < 1236815707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapM_, technically < 1236815710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1236815893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty nifty tho innit ehird < 1236815925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something so simple as &(N,N) gives you the sierpinski gasket < 1236815929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStr . unlines . map (map (\b -> if b then '*' else ' ')) $ sierpinski' w h < 1236815931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1236815935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1236815936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote that < 1236815938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finalizing it now < 1236815982 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"