00:05:54 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Reaper cool 00:16:19 Slereah_: !!!!!!!!! 00:16:19 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esme&action=history 00:16:21 UPDATED 00:16:23 DECEMBER 2008 00:16:25 ESME 2.0 00:16:30 now with PERL SUPPORT 00:17:52 haha 00:18:48 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:31:22 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:34:55 -!- ehird has set topic: (sb-ext:be-saved-by-lisp-and-live :jesus t) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 00:36:34 http://github.com/fare How the mighty have fallen. Tunes project lead on github ;-) 00:46:24 heh 00:47:57 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:27:21 -!- GregorR has set topic: »»»http://tunes.org/~nev/logs/esoteric/ «««. 01:27:34 -!- GregorR has set topic: »»» http://tunes.org/~nev/logs/esoteric/ «««. 03:54:08 hm 05:00:57 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:04:23 what's zelda and pokeman? 05:04:35 wait a minute, even _i_ know that 05:04:44 not that i have played them though 05:05:49 * AnMaster looks for oerjan to explain 05:06:06 it's because swedes are actually living their lives backwards, you see 05:06:19 strange people 05:07:24 highlight 05:07:30 oh btw i *am* 20 05:07:34 * oerjan gasps 05:08:15 "i congratulate you after i shoot you" 05:08:25 no, that would be the finnish method 05:32:35 -!- oerjan has quit ("Coffeis"). 05:32:59 http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1185926215 05:55:40 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Client Excited"). 06:50:19 -!- jix has joined. 07:06:55 -!- jix_ has joined. 07:14:57 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 07:21:12 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:52:39 hmm. 07:53:46 A Turing tarpit is a language that aims for Turing-completeness in an arbitrarily small number of linguistic elements - ideally, as few as possible. <<< i'm pretty sure you could make something that qualifies as a turing tarpit but had tons of commands 07:54:03 ewll 07:54:05 *well 07:54:20 i guess that does say "as few as possible" 07:55:20 which would cover that 07:55:54 -!- sebbu has joined. 07:56:05 oerjan: not that i have played them though <<< not surprising, straight people rarely play pokeman 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:07:27 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 08:22:27 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:36:12 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Client Excited"). 08:42:24 oklopol 08:42:31 i bet you play pokemon 08:42:44 and i bet youre passionate about it too 08:42:46 i've played it a lot 08:42:47 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:42:50 but no not really 08:44:46 heh. did LZW manually for a course exercise 08:44:51 everyone got a different answer :D 08:45:06 (probably needless to point out mine was the only correct one) 08:45:38 LZW? 08:46:46 it's this simple compression algo where you always extend the codeword you used last. 08:46:51 ok 08:46:59 so that you could send it as one symbol next time 08:47:42 so essentially you trivial the trivial to achieve the trivial. 08:54:22 put a trivial in your trivial so you can trivial while you trivial? 08:55:53 trivially yes. 08:56:08 trivially trivialize trivialities 09:01:26 oh. this is the last lecture. 09:02:29 i should probably check these things before coming here, last week i waited two hours for a lecture that had been cancelled 09:04:37 -!- cherez has joined. 09:05:28 -!- cherez has left (?). 09:10:01 blah, i need a larger brain 09:22:52 -!- jix has joined. 09:58:32 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:58:38 -!- oklopol has joined. 09:59:14 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 10:11:36 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 10:17:59 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:20:50 -!- jix has quit ("Computer has gone to sleep"). 10:28:50 -!- jix has joined. 11:14:06 -!- oklopol has changed nick to okotin. 11:14:08 okokokokokoko 11:23:05 it's because swedes are actually living their lives backwards, you see <-- damn, you revealed the secret! 11:23:58 okotin? 11:24:35 hello AnMaster i'm okotin 11:24:50 why that nick 11:25:03 I mean I know you are oklopol 11:25:13 it means "the thing that okos" 11:25:35 one of our lectures is called "okhotin" 11:25:47 i removed the typo and adapted my nick (for now) 11:37:35 okotin, it isn't like kokain 11:37:40 err spelling in English 11:37:52 cocaine in English 11:37:52 right 11:37:57 kokain in Swedish 11:38:06 wut 11:38:24 "okotin" is quite close to "kokain" when you think about it 11:38:26 bbl 11:39:02 yes yes, very close. 11:39:03 ---> 11:44:59 -!- okotin has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:55:24 -!- okotin has joined. 12:07:37 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 12:25:15 -!- okotin has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:38:38 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:46:09 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 13:01:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:05:22 -!- jix has joined. 13:06:24 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 13:09:24 -!- jix has joined. 13:20:13 -!- Hiato has joined. 13:48:04 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:59:20 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:11:31 -!- okotin has joined. 14:11:47 -!- |Synergist| has joined. 14:13:53 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 14:13:53 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:31:05 -!- |Synergist| has left (?). 14:34:16 -!- Sgeo_ has quit ("Leaving"). 14:41:35 lol I wondered, why on earth can't I connect to irc lolol? 14:41:37 then i realised, lol 14:41:39 my domain expired lol ^)^ 14:41:41 ^_^ 14:42:36 -!- ehird has quit ("Caught sigterm, terminating..."). 14:42:40 -!- ehird has joined. 14:44:02 03:38:24 "okotin" is quite close to "kokain" when you think about it 14:44:04 scuz me, er, what 14:44:38 :DD 14:44:52 kind of like kangaroo is close to machine. 14:44:57 yeah sorry for advocating drugs 14:44:59 -!- okotin has changed nick to oklopol. 14:45:02 terribly sorry. 14:45:17 ...is this too close to marijuana? 14:45:22 yes. 14:45:24 I wasn't complaining. I was just making an observation :P 14:45:26 bbl 14:46:23 complanations and observations both usually need to make sense, in general 14:46:30 ... 14:46:32 complanations 14:47:12 oh 14:47:44 from "complanate", right 14:47:47 that's what i was going for 14:55:58 -!- fizzie has joined. 14:59:24 complanations? 14:59:42 oklopol, "complanate" sounds French? 15:00:27 "Or another user might be uninterested in Western isolationism, and instead prefer culturally insulting approximation of Eastern languages by choosing to store pathnames in UTF-8, allowing the full range of Unicode text in his pathnames." 15:00:29 Harsh. 15:02:04 ehird, um I don't remember which parts of unicode UTF-8 can't represent... 15:02:08 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 15:02:13 wasn't it only some unused areas? 15:02:43 ehird, also where was the quote from 15:05:04 The quote pretty much says "choosing UTF-8, which allows the full range of Unicode text". 15:05:27 ah 15:05:40 fizzie, but isn't that allowed anyway? UTF-8 in path names 15:06:26 fizzie, why was it considering UTF-8 "culturally insulting approximation of Eastern languages" 15:08:18 hmm at least the official chinese character encoding uses unicode too... 15:08:26 but it remains compatible to older encodings 15:08:29 I don't really know Eastern languages that well, so I can't really guess. Maybe they've combined some stuff? Although there's the CJK compatibility range and everything. 15:08:30 AnMaster: Han unification. 15:08:32 Google it. 15:08:34 It's why Unicode is uncommon in asia. (UTF-8 moreso, since it's biased heavily towards English...) 15:08:38 fizzie: combined some stuff - han unification 15:08:40 as I said 15:09:15 ehird, hm... 15:10:18 but using a regional encoding that would only encode one language isn't any better :/ 15:11:44 Hot damn, Safari 4 is a ripoff of Chrome. 15:11:46 It's... kind of ugly. 15:11:47 The tabs are in the title bar. Excuse me, Apple, OS X doesn't work like that. 15:12:23 Also the refresh button is in the location bar just like MobileSafari. 15:12:28 What were they smoking. 15:14:12 I guess I will get used to it. 15:14:45 Why are there no tabs in these screenshots? Do you have some? 15:14:56 fizzie: http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html#tabs 15:15:51 Yeah it's really pretty awful, I hope the y fix that. 15:16:01 Goggel's image search founded me silly images; should've navigated straight there, I guess. 15:16:02 http://images.apple.com/safari/images/overlay-windows-1-20090217.png Oh good lord. 15:16:05 It is identical to Chrome. 15:16:17 look at those two buttons to the right. And the placement of the add bookmark button. 15:16:22 That is through and through a chrome ripoff. 15:16:35 Heh, the hype is funny. "Now Safari takes tabbed browsing to new heights — to the very top of the browser window — instantly providing more room for you to enjoy the sites you’re reading." 15:16:36 What's the 'add bookmark' button; I don't speak icon 15:16:58 Deewiant: The + in the address bar 15:17:01 s/speak/read/ would be more appropriate I suppose 15:17:02 exactly how google chrome puts it 15:17:10 fizzie: hahahaha 15:17:12 Right 15:17:22 also, those iicons to the right are in fact the actual google chrome ones 15:17:24 I think 15:17:44 I guess they put the tab bar like this to be slightly different, but it's worse 15:18:01 Just build Chromium and call it Safari, apple :P 15:19:11 ... They ditched webkit? 15:19:16 "Using the new Nitro Engine, for example, Safari executes JavaScript up to 30 times faster than Internet Explorer 7 and more than 3 times faster than Firefox 3 based on performance in leading industry benchmark tests: iBench and SunSpider. 15:19:16 " 15:19:17 Oh 15:19:19 that's just javascript 15:23:32 This is very fast, though. Which is nice. 15:25:47 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7zt0o/fuck_you_vista_i_wont_even_live_that_long_pic/c07usxj 15:28:13 For each of the near term reporting requirements (major communications, formula block grant allocations, weekly reports) agencies are required to provide a feed (preferred: Atom 1.0, acceptable: RSS) of the information so that content can be delivered via subscription. 15:28:17 — US Stimulus Bill 15:50:25 http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/eler-highlights-2008 15:51:01 first comic since december 2007. mazing. 16:00:13 oklopol: ping 16:00:18 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:01:58 -!- jix has joined. 16:09:04 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 16:17:00 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:29:00 -!- oklopol has joined. 16:56:06 i listen to only Why Cooperation With RMS Is Impossible and no other audial tones 16:58:42 christel. what kind of shitty system does freenode run on. 16:58:58 you can restore to a DB without restarting services. 16:59:03 get a sysadmin. 17:01:18 http://www.geocities.com/therealtroll/people/ <-- only credits rob pike in "special notice". sheesh! 17:02:13 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:02:21 h iais 17:02:24 hi ais523 17:02:28 -!- oklopol has joined. 17:02:32 hi 17:14:04 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 17:15:32 if I find #lisp friendly, does that mean I've turned into an asshole myself? :D 17:19:47 -!- olsner has joined. 17:20:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:21:45 * oerjan swats AnMaster and olsner -----### 17:22:00 oerjan: oh, get real 17:22:15 BECAUSE I GOT SPAM FROM SWEDEN TODAY 17:24:49 oerjan: not that i have played them though <<< not surprising, straight people rarely play pokeman 17:25:04 i assume this is a pun on the misspelling, or something 17:28:39 I NEED TO CODE 17:30:17 spend most of yesterday merging stuff (in CVS of all things), and most of today answering e-mails with stupid questions and lamenting over stupid misconceptions and ideas 17:30:31 isn't there a cvs-git bridge? 17:31:27 pretty much any version control system can be converted into any other, with various amounts of lost information 17:32:00 yeah, tried it, didn't help a lot... after the git magic merge thing was done, i gave me pieces of subtle garbage in the patches I wanted to merge that shouldn't be there 17:33:49 eventually, I merged half of it from the original sources in another CVS branch and the other half from the old branch 17:34:03 the good old manual 5-way merge 17:37:06 git managed to seriously screw some things up too, like I accidentally used push the wrong way, upon which git completely removed the branch I was working on 17:39:38 I was just lucky I had a recent print-out of the most recent checkin on that branch, just echoing that out into .git/refs/heads/ seemed to actually work 17:40:42 (continues ranting) git seems to make an excellent storage back-end for a version control system, just doesn't have all the horses in the ui stables yet 17:41:04 * olsner pops a vein and falls over and dies 17:41:22 I don't really like git UI-wise 17:43:23 it also has a tendency to do things like ask "[something went wrong,] Have you run git add?", even when it's completely inappropriate (or impossible) to actually to git add 17:43:54 oerjan: i assume this is a pun on the misspelling, or something <<< yes, wasn't that kinda obvious 17:44:08 git's UI is nice, it just takes getting used to 17:44:17 hmm, right, i guess i could've said that about pokemon too 17:44:59 cvs actually is a good ui for cvs, it just has a sucky backend for doing version control 17:45:30 horse shit is a good UI for horse shit, it just has a sucky backend for smell 17:46:15 oerjan, why= 17:46:16 ? 17:46:24 why the swat 17:46:29 [17:22:16] BECAUSE I GOT SPAM FROM SWEDEN TODAY 17:46:33 reading is hard! 17:46:35 especially 2 lines down! 17:46:42 especially when all-caps 17:46:52 yes, so easy to miss 17:46:53 removed by the subconscious troll-filter 17:46:53 well i am used to him being unable to read 2 lines _up_ .... 17:47:21 haha, yeah, 2 lines down is kind of hard, unless you've got some kind of temporal paradox working for you 17:47:44 so if I sent an email to oerjan, would it, platonically speaking, be spam? 17:47:57 somekinda temporal paradox... like reading backwards? 17:48:00 well i did mention swedes living backwards yesterday 17:48:16 ais523: platonically speaking, probably not 17:49:50 what about pragtonically 17:50:21 probkely not 17:51:29 ehird, yes I'm caps blind 17:51:33 it's like colourblind 17:51:44 any lines in all caps look like the background colour to me 17:51:56 WHAT A STUPID DISEASE 17:51:59 ANMASTER IS A POOPY HEA 17:52:00 D 17:52:05 I'M GONNA BECOME A BIOLOGIST 17:52:19 why are you all sending empty lines? 17:52:19 I AM A DUNGBEETLE 17:52:26 OLSNER: FNORD 17:52:28 bbl, going to setup a wireless phone for parents... 17:52:39 ehird: NICE TO MEET YOU MR. SAMSA 17:53:49 AnMaster: do they want it set up so kids cannot use it? :D 17:54:33 oerjan, hah hah 17:55:00 * AnMaster searches for some language he can read in the multi-lingual manual 17:55:23 ah English, that will do 17:55:31 bbl again 17:56:17 Ok fnedbully gradwe gepoly telefony swa bedsky sba dowuto "ON" ... 18:00:34 Gebo antennow sgedaty staciona basiska vu lebdotu growny. 18:08:04 http://s3.amazonaws.com/colourlovers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t-mobile_copyright_magenta.jpg 18:45:22 "If you send disparaging E-mails about me to someone else and I find out about it, I can and will pursue defamation charges. I have an excellent lawyer and I rather doubt you do." 18:45:26 Uh... Go fuck yourself. 18:45:42 "If you use other people’s sites, including blogs, to attack me personally, I can and will do all of the same things I’d do if you mailed me personally. I will also lobby to have your comments removed and your commenting privileges permanently banned." 18:45:52 You are a dicksucker. Now get lament or fizzie to ban me. 18:46:35 * oerjan thinks he saw that somewhere 18:46:44 It was on reddit 18:46:54 It's on Joe Clark's site. 18:47:00 yeah but it wasn't recently i saw it 18:47:04 yes 18:47:06 it was an old post 18:47:20 wait, I think he's gay 18:47:23 dicksucker isn't much of an insult 18:48:29 Dear Joe Clark -- 18:48:32 also, i expect that guy has known for a _long_ time that it backfired. so i'd say you _are_ spamming here. 18:48:50 I never done got banned from spamming here before :-D 18:49:29 of course not, we are more civilized here -----### 18:49:30 Hmm. I wonder how to best express myself ... ah! 18:49:42 Joe Clark, get a life and shut up. Stop cluttering the internet with your inane prattle. Go aestivate under a rock somewhere. 18:49:54 You see, your disclaimer is not in the letter of the law, hence is invalid. Therefore, while you may think you have cleverly 18:49:58 found a loophole you are just making an annoyance of yourself. 18:50:05 To be fair, I suppose I must admit the possibility that you were just trying to 18:50:14 get people riled up before renouncing your 'powers', but 18:50:20 common sane and the courts will do that anyway. 18:50:23 In short, feep off and die. 18:50:28 --Yittra, er, ehird. 18:50:37 For all that typing, only ais523, comex and maybe oerjan will get that. 18:50:40 What a waste of time. 18:51:42 So 18:53:51 I killed the channel 18:54:27 it was already dead 18:55:24 nothing sensible said for an hour 18:56:24 oerjan: for the record, _did_ you get that? 18:56:41 why will only they get it? 18:56:53 i don't like it when things i've gotten are taken away from me. 18:57:03 ehird: of course 18:57:13 oklopol: well, it's a rather obscure reference. 18:57:18 the yittra? 18:57:22 the whole thing 18:57:22 er wait, no 18:57:30 ehird: I only /just/ got it 18:57:33 several minutes later 18:57:39 specifically, it's the first reply to an obscure post on a message board used to play an obscure game in 1992 18:57:49 i assumed it was a nomic ref 18:57:51 (oerjan: Lindrum's judgment, from NomicWorld) 18:57:56 oklopol: you win $5 18:58:00 in fake dollars 18:58:01 oh 18:58:08 well not lindrum's judgment 18:58:09 the first reply to it 18:58:25 to quote the original reply that I madlib'd: 18:58:27 look at m4 18:58:29 crazy 18:58:35 bsmntbombdood: I'd rather not do that again 18:58:41 bsmntbombdood: yeah you're pretty fucking insane alright 18:59:02 ** 18:59:02 Get a life, lindrum (Yittra, Sep 28 05:59) 18:59:02 LIndrum, get a life and shut up. Stop cluttering the noticeboard with 18:59:02 your inane prattle. Go aestivate under a rock somewhere. 18:59:02 You see, your judgement is not in the spirit of the game, hence 18:59:04 is illegal. Therefore, while you may think you have cleverly found 18:59:12 a loophole you are just making an annoyance of yourself. To be fair, I 18:59:13 suppose I must admit the possibility that you were just tring to 18:59:14 get the game going before renouncing your 'powers' , but 18:59:15 1015 and 1016 will do that anyway. In short, feep off and die. 18:59:15 hmm 18:59:16 that was more of a flood than I expected 18:59:18 IRC is so much bigger than a web browser. or something. 18:59:34 (i found it funnier without the reference) 18:59:46 :D 18:59:52 maybe I could get a phd in referenceless references 19:00:29 i usually do, references are only fun when they are very vague and complicated; usually i prefer original content 19:00:46 like muffins 19:00:47 oh fuck joe clark emailed me he's kicking down my door 19:00:48 and pies 19:00:49 help help help help help 19:01:02 ehird: wait, what? 19:01:13 JOE CLARK IS GOING TO KILL MEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 19:01:49 superjoe 19:02:03 bah he's just an average joe 19:02:05 gi joe 19:02:34 http://i42.tinypic.com/akjp91.jpg <-- Joe Clark = yasser arafat 19:02:39 well. the colors are on my side 19:02:57 i love how the hat appears when he turns his head 19:03:02 it's like hi there 19:03:04 ...see my hat 19:03:15 hi hat 19:03:41 it's a hat trick 19:03:42 so who's that dude anyway 19:03:58 see above, anmaster 19:04:00 I mean oklopol 19:04:01 http://i41.tinypic.com/nbujqw.jpg 19:04:12 -!- kar8nga has joined. 19:05:08 see what above 19:05:14 also i'm not actually asking who he is. 19:05:17 linkz 19:05:18 also he's a pirate 19:05:22 a pirate ninja failure. 19:05:25 i'm *saying* who's that guy 19:05:41 it's a whole different thing. 19:05:49 makes sense yo 19:06:10 it only makes as much sense as you can consume. 19:06:19 oh that actually worked as an insult 19:06:24 that was an accident. 19:07:17 well, this has been a nice battle of minds, but i need to go again 19:07:20 see ya -> 19:07:54 i'm not sure how to react 19:07:55 umm 19:07:57 your mother! 19:59:23 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:02:33 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 20:05:39 if anyone here does common lisp development 20:05:44 don't use asdf-install, use cl-build 20:05:56 (decf gray-hairs) 20:13:08 ais523: if I have a program with its executable and data files in one directory, and it depends on them like that, how would you do it? I'm considering putting it in /usr/local/share// then symlinking the binary in /usr/local/bin/ 20:13:37 that's usual, although I don't quite think that works 20:13:42 as it won't see them as all in the same directory 20:13:49 it does 20:13:52 it follows symlinks 20:13:56 (of $0) 20:13:57 the usual method I've seen is to put the app and all its files in a subdirectory of /usr/lib and use a shellscript to call it 20:14:05 ah, /usr/lib 20:14:06 OK 20:14:07 no idea why people normally put them in /usr/lib not /usr/share though 20:14:11 it makes sense 20:14:17 share is for documents 20:14:38 o 20:14:44 okok? 20:14:51 definitely 20:15:44 err 20:15:47 did i just say that 20:15:54 that was my fingers :| 20:16:09 cut them off before they take over 20:17:40 they'd just grow back again 20:18:27 well so do nails, you'll just have to do it regularly 20:18:35 i don't have nails, i'm a lizard. 20:18:47 ah. 20:19:06 i have mentioned that multiple times 20:19:25 not in this channel i think 20:19:46 but ehird might be able to check that 20:20:24 he might. 20:23:09 i'm pretty sure vista's minesweeper's mine algo has changed from the earlier ones 20:23:26 about every 10th is passable 20:23:38 (without luck, that is) 20:23:43 (also that's an underestimate) 20:24:22 a 20:24:24 http://www.ivona.com/say/Q4fIe7hL 20:25:05 http://www.ivona.com/say/x5C8Y4n0 20:25:49 that's getting pretty good 20:26:12 the messages there are a bit stupid ofc 20:26:45 no, the second one is great 20:26:50 sure it's not just the default options for no. bombs vs. board size which have changed? 20:27:09 hmm. there were no instances of me telling that. 20:27:54 well. i guess it's my remembering the nonexistant thing again. 20:28:11 and oerjan, the options have not changed 20:28:14 at least that much 20:28:22 it's just "harder". 20:28:30 not that minesweeper can be hard 20:28:33 (in practise) 20:29:41 "more impossible" 20:31:44 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 20:33:49 i would have thought the mines were randomly distributed, except that i've read that if the first click is on a mine, it is moved, and that this is to the first vacant spot from the top left iirc. in the original that is. 20:34:45 which means that starting in the top left and then trying the one to the right is slightly more dangerous 20:35:08 oerjan, interesting 20:35:09 or taking the top left second, i guess 20:35:44 well i'm not sure if i recall exactly right but i think the movement _wasn't_ to a random spot 20:35:46 I thought it just randomly selected a game after I clicked the first place 20:35:59 I know that you never click a mine first turn 20:36:01 and tried again if it had a mine there 20:36:05 but I don't know what method it uses to prevent that 20:36:18 ais523, it could differ between implementations 20:36:21 well i'm sure there's a faq somewhere 20:36:30 AnMaster: I'm referring to the Windows XP implementation 20:36:33 ah 20:36:38 ais523, only have kmines here 20:36:47 I've implemented Minesweeper myself, it didn't have the first-turn exemption 20:36:51 it's not a hard program to write! 20:36:57 well true 20:37:00 it is very easy in fact 20:37:15 it wouldn't be hard to do the first-turn exemption with the rest random, either 20:37:25 oerjan, oh? 20:37:30 yeah 20:37:39 you could place it at a random spot 20:37:42 or such 20:37:51 or generate a new random game 20:38:03 you can just fill in after you click, or move it to a random spot (might need retry) 20:38:18 oerjan, yeah.. like what I just said 20:38:19 well that's three options 20:38:25 laggy? 20:38:27 no 20:38:50 but your options didn't exhaust every possibility :D 20:39:19 you could place it at a random spot 20:39:22 or generate a new random game 20:39:25 you can just fill in after you click, or move it to a random spot (might need retry) 20:39:26 err 20:39:37 oerjan, didn't you say that? 20:39:44 so 20:39:45 not quite 20:39:59 oerjan, you mentioned move top left before 20:40:23 my first option means that you don't need to generate anything before clicking, saves work 20:40:25 hmmm what would a minesweeper that allows multiple mines on one spot be like... 20:40:47 jix, um hard since count would be off 20:40:54 but only in one direction 20:40:56 jix, also more explosive 20:41:01 jix, what? 20:41:03 or actually maybe not... maybe generating and then moving is more efficient, since you don't need to check on every placement 20:41:10 oh yes 20:41:26 oerjan, yeah 20:41:53 they should all be equivalent statistically, which the move to top left isn't. 20:41:59 oerjan, and you could all the free spots to an array and then generate a random number as an index into that array 20:42:13 then you don't need to retry 20:42:23 just don't do random() % list_size 20:42:28 that's stupid :P 20:42:29 hm true, since you have to check collisions anyhow 20:42:53 AnMaster: you can do something equivalent without wasting space for the array 20:42:55 ah right so you _have_ to check, might just generate afterward then 20:43:00 jix, guess so 20:43:05 no need to do an array 20:43:15 you generate a random number which is < the number of free spots 20:43:31 jix, and then use that as an index into the nth free spot 20:43:31 yes 20:43:33 of course 20:43:37 iterate through all mines... and if index of mine <= randNum .... radnNum++ 20:43:55 exiting early as soon as mine > randNum 20:44:09 jix: er that's O(n^2) to place the mines, sheesh 20:44:17 oerjan: it's about moving one mine 20:44:20 i mean O(m*n^2) 20:44:22 btw, I have "3D snake" on my phone... anyone done 3D mines yet? 20:44:24 oh? 20:44:27 maybe? 20:44:54 but it is still likely more inefficient than just choose and retry if collision 20:45:03 idea 2: state the yield of the mine 20:45:08 oerjan: but it's worst case is O(n) 20:45:13 so you can survive some mines 20:45:13 like 20:45:20 hitpoints 20:45:29 mine sweeper with hitpoints and powerups! 20:45:29 :D 20:45:35 while retry and collision has a worst case that never exits 20:45:41 *if 20:45:58 oerjan: but it's worst case is O(n) 20:45:59 err 20:46:00 ? 20:46:17 AnMaster: to place one mine into an existing field the worst case is O(n) with my algorithm 20:46:18 but an average case that is excellent unless you have too many mines 20:46:23 jix, yes 20:46:29 so why O(n^2) ? 20:46:32 which was that 20:46:39 if you use mine to place all mines 20:46:41 ah 20:46:48 anyway 20:46:53 um i confused array size and number of mines somewhat 20:46:57 in that case i indeed would generate an array with free spots 20:47:05 and then choose one by random... 20:47:08 get an FPGA and make an O(1) variant in hardware :P 20:47:20 like a sorting network in hardware is O(1) 20:47:27 (iirc) 20:47:39 in time at least 20:47:48 probably way more in space 20:48:49 anyway number of positions is usually small so that O(n) doesn't matter really 20:48:49 cannot be O(1) if the size is arbitrary (which a finite computer cannot handle anyway) 20:49:20 I mean O doesn't matter at small sizes really 20:49:31 a binary search is better than a linear search 20:49:32 however 20:49:51 my tests shows a simple linear search is faster for small data sets 20:49:57 ~50 items 20:49:58 or such 20:50:02 maybe due to cache and such 20:50:11 or optimisation 20:50:15 ais523, yeah 20:50:17 uhm a binary search is very simple to implement efficiently tho 20:50:18 linear searches are easier to optimise, and a tighter loop 20:50:23 they can even be unrolled if necessary 20:50:37 come to think of it, binary search can be unrolled too, but I don't know of a compiler capable of it 20:50:42 whatever you just need some generic way of choosing m objects from n slots without replacement 20:50:44 ais523, yeah it could probably since I was operating on a static const array of a fixed size 20:50:51 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 20:51:17 oerjan, now maybe m > n 20:51:19 :D 20:51:35 error case is error case 20:51:57 really the pigeonhole principle assumes the pigeons are average size... 20:52:09 without food for some time you could stuff more than one in one box 20:52:10 :P 20:58:14 basically you can adopt random shuffle agorithms that generate the sequence sequencially to exit after generating m elements 20:59:15 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:01:41 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 21:20:53 [20:42:23] just don't do random() % list_size 21:20:55 fail 21:20:55 oh 21:20:57 you said it's stupid 21:21:13 meta-fail 21:21:23 ehird, for large list sizes yes 21:21:34 no, it's fail because of the behaviour of random() 21:21:39 ehird, that too 21:21:44 specifically, modulo'ing it is retarded 21:21:50 ehird, exactly 21:21:53 I said it was stupid 21:21:58 ywa 21:21:59 *yes 21:22:14 infrrf 21:22:39 *inswws 21:23:28 how are you supposed to use random() then? 21:23:49 the main reason being that it won't be uniform, but also random() might be a very bad PRNG on $TARGET_LIBC 21:23:58 better use your own RNG 21:24:33 olsner, I would recommend against it for any cryptographically sensitive applications at least ;P 21:24:36 hm... 21:25:14 which reminds me, I need to replace random() % 4 in cfunge. I actually had plans to use FMT instead 21:25:16 ;P 21:25:56 well, obviously, you need to use a known cryptographically secure prng, but for things like just generating a random list when you don't care *that* much about the randomness 21:26:22 % powerOf2 is presumably the worst case 21:26:39 then again, maybe not 21:26:45 http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/SFMT/index.html 21:27:06 oerjan, err wouldn't % powerOf2 be the most uniform case? 21:27:39 oerjan, assuming RAND_MAX == a power of two 21:27:48 no, because the low bits are what's often broken 21:28:10 oerjan, that sounds silly 21:28:21 in fact, the standard random number generator on one widely-used old version of UNIX alternated even and odd numbes 21:28:24 *numbers 21:28:30 ais523, wow 21:28:39 well 21:28:45 the high-order bits on such generators are more random-acting, though 21:28:48 that's what i referred to i guess 21:29:02 bit shift it to get the middle bits? 21:29:15 or top ones 21:29:19 or whichever you want 21:29:36 mask off and bit shift 21:29:41 should work well 21:29:53 random() returns long int 21:30:08 which means you need to figure out how to do this based on limits.h 21:30:21 LONG_BIT 21:32:24 #if LONG_BIT < 8\n#error "Don't be silly..."\n#endif\nint myval = (random() >> (LONG_BIT - 5)) & 24; 21:32:27 something like that 21:32:40 ais523, oerjan ^ 21:32:46 what do you think of the idea? 21:33:14 or & 3 maybe 21:33:14 that's over the top 21:33:20 if you want two middle bits 21:33:23 ais523, what do you mean? 21:33:42 did I miscalculate? 21:33:45 random() / (RAND_MAX / max_I_want) 21:33:50 is the standard formula 21:34:04 and a lot simpler than what you're trying there, I think 21:34:18 so I meant that you were complicating things more than you needed to be 21:34:23 err 21:34:33 * AnMaster is tired... why does random() / (RAND_MAX / max_I_want) work 21:35:13 it probably isn't quite uniform if max_I_want is not a power of 2 21:35:19 not quite 21:35:23 but you can't get uniform then without rerolling 21:35:35 1> (2 bsl 32) div 4. 21:35:35 2147483648 21:35:49 hm 21:35:51 ah 21:35:54 right 21:35:56 that is why it works 21:35:56 what is that? 21:35:58 Erlang/ 21:36:13 i guess checking if result > max_I_want then rerolling does it 21:36:14 ehird, depends on what your next comment will be 21:36:22 AnMaster: "It looked like lisp at first" 21:36:27 i should name some software something that'll make people never use it. like, "Enron" 21:36:28 or does it 21:36:28 ehird, oh the erlang 21:36:29 also 21:36:40 (div (bsl 2 32) 4) 21:36:43 that would be lispy 21:37:16 s/the/yes/ 21:37:21 no idea how I typoed that... 21:37:21 yes, but it had parentheses, and alphanumeric names for things commonly done as symbols 21:37:26 and the prompt looked lisp-esque 21:37:28 ehird: "Hitler" 21:37:35 ehird, well / is floating point... 21:37:36 oerjan: "Auschwitz" 21:37:56 "The Auschwitz compiler for the Hitler inferral programming language is now released." 21:37:58 ehird, should I google after "Enron"? 21:38:02 AnMaster: yes. 21:38:04 since you said "wants to never use it" 21:38:08 it could be shock site 21:38:09 *infernal 21:38:10 ... 21:38:39 AnMaster: it's not. sheesh. 21:38:54 ehird, idea name it 2goatse1cup 21:39:02 no 21:39:05 yes! 21:39:15 hmm, maybe "The Nigger-Faggot deductive logic system" 21:39:22 GodHatesFags 21:39:25 yep, I think I've cracked it 21:39:45 ehird: brilliant 21:39:55 yeah, I'll sue microsoft 21:40:11 "The Nigger Faggot Corporation, creators of the Nigger Faggot deductive logic system, today sued Microsoft." 21:40:30 Nigger faggot? 21:40:34 "Their spokesman, Faggoty McNigger, had this to say: 'Microsoft is infringing on our intellectual property of "being total douchebags" and "offending everyone".'" 21:40:35 You'll get sued by the GNAA 21:40:40 Slereah_: Shut up jew 21:40:42 ... 21:40:49 Slereah_: i'm the british branch. 21:41:06 Did you watch Gay Nigger from Outer Space? 21:41:08 Like, all of it 21:41:27 is that a real movie? 21:41:29 oerjan: yes 21:41:36 also, not porn. 21:41:37 oerjan, 'fraid so.. 21:41:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayniggers_from_Outer_Space 21:41:53 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:42:03 * oerjan already found 21:43:01 But DID YOU WATCH IT 21:43:04 [[It is said that in this review, Payne described scenes featuring the protagonist, Gay Nigger Jim, raping a toilet until he explodes, and a musical number entitled "Gay Niggers Eat Pigs and Fly on Penises Made Out of Ham and Brown Ham, Because They're Gay Niggers."]] 21:43:07 You can't be GNAA otherwise 21:43:09 honestly, I think it'd be better if that were true. 21:43:29 Ah yes, that old troll 21:44:21 GNAA sounds like a troll name 21:44:30 It is. 21:44:32 from fantasy, that is 21:44:36 oh 21:44:38 Gay Nigger Association of America 21:44:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space btw 21:44:55 * Slereah_ salutes those Internet Superheroes 21:45:05 Slereah_, please ban them if they ever try to attack your irc network 21:45:28 i don't have an IRC network 21:45:35 really I know from experience they don't have an unlimited amount of proxies 21:45:46 [21:45:05] Slereah_, please ban them if they ever try to attack your irc network 21:45:48 hahahahah 21:45:54 stupidest line said all day 21:46:01 ehird, yes indeed 21:46:05 I was being silly 21:46:12 i'm sure 21:46:13 intentional 21:46:21 * ehird rapes a kitten 21:46:24 ^ that was intentional 21:46:34 yes it would have been 21:46:35 ehird : http://jun.2chan.net:81/b/src/1235462364005.jpg 21:46:37 hawt 21:46:56 i see. 21:46:59 Slereah_, should be made into a motivational poster 21:47:09 Slereah_, or a lolkitten image 21:47:16 or both! 21:47:18 The intentions are rather more sinister, AnMaster. 21:47:22 Lolcats are a thing of the past, AnMaster 21:47:28 Slereah_, what!? 21:47:30 They have degenerated in mainstream culture. 21:47:34 Slereah_, oh loldogs? 21:47:40 oh 21:47:44 http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers8/funnypicturesyoumaybemisq2.jpg 21:47:44 I see 21:48:06 Slereah_, heh 21:48:12 Slereah_, so what is the current thing then? 21:48:18 how many files do you have in there Slereah_ 21:48:23 Slereah_, all your base is "out" I believe 21:48:32 your site is like a repository of... stuff. 21:48:50 "Mardi 24 juillet 2001, 3eme millenaire." 21:48:51 There are plenty of current things. 21:48:57 "I became a millionaire 24th july 2001" 21:49:06 ehird : It's not really my site nowadays 21:49:17 wut 21:49:17 I use it as a FTP 21:49:24 is my translation correct :DD 21:49:47 No 21:49:49 u r dum 21:49:55 wut dus it rly say 21:50:49 Tuesday 24th july 2001 3rd milleunium 21:50:57 ic 21:50:59 what is the context 21:51:16 I was trying to put online some translations 21:54:26 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 21:59:04 as opposed to Tuesday 24th july 2001 4th millennium 21:59:21 You never know! 21:59:57 well i guess technically the Tuesday has the same problem 22:06:46 Slereah_, 0000002001 ? 22:08:02 what 22:08:45 poll: I want to read a new web comic. Should o go archive reading order of the stick or try to find some other one? 22:08:56 s/ o / I / 22:10:20 no one? 22:10:39 come on... 22:11:15 ooh, read hackles 22:11:20 i like that comic 22:11:23 though nobody's heard of it... 22:11:50 that name *does* sound familiar 22:11:51 * AnMaster googles 22:12:02 http://hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=1 22:12:13 it gets better as it goes. 22:12:15 ehird, read that 22:12:16 like, umm, every other comic. 22:12:18 actually 22:12:20 AnMaster: ha 22:12:22 ehird, but it's dead isn't it 22:12:22 read 1/0 22:12:23 ? 22:12:26 AnMaster: yes, since jan 04 22:12:30 yeah 22:12:36 what was that yeah to 22:12:37 read it all in like 2006 or so 22:12:41 "read 1/0" or 22:12:49 ehird, I think I read part of 1/0 22:13:08 oh yes 22:13:08 1/0's probably my favourite comic, aside from the small part where it seems to start advocating monotheism 22:13:16 ehird, hm 22:13:36 ehird, well I haven't read all of 1/0, I gave up around comic 30 or so iirc 22:13:44 * oerjan doesn't recall that part 22:13:51 30 out of 1000 comics is not very much reading :P 22:13:58 oerjan: the "fourth wall" plotline 22:14:29 of course it _did_ explore the concept of the stupidity of rejecting monotheism if everyone _could_ see evidence of god 22:14:30 link that part 22:14:44 but that's not exactly relevant to the real world 22:14:46 oerjan: near the end it pretty much advocated monotheism 22:15:06 I say this with knowledge of other strong implications Tailsteak is a monotheist, though 22:15:14 ah. 22:15:14 oklopol: I forget the comic numbers 22:15:23 so it's kinda like south park is republican? 22:15:29 *like how 22:15:39 wait, south park is republican? 22:15:41 now this is news to me 22:15:46 i think Slereah_ said something like that 22:16:11 or something else, anyway that they were advocating something anyway 22:16:15 South Park people are libertarians 22:16:18 *-anyway 22:16:19 okay. 22:16:25 libertarianism is hardly republican 22:16:44 republicanism, libertanianism, urophilia, monotheism, who cares 22:16:57 point is clearly they do not feel strongly one way or the other 22:17:26 I'm uranusphilic. 22:17:28 Or something. 22:17:41 wouldn't it be uranophilic? 22:17:50 ehird, haspyphilic? 22:17:53 oklopol: hey that was my comment 22:18:03 haspyphilic? what 22:18:07 ehird, yoy 22:18:09 you* 22:18:10 what 22:18:18 ehird, you are haspyphilic 22:18:24 yeah I heard that 22:18:26 what the fuck does that mean 22:18:33 ehird, can't figure it out? 22:18:41 try to split the string 22:18:42 nope, presumably because your jokes are terrible. 22:18:49 ehird, it isn't a joke... 22:18:57 http://code.google.com/p/haspy/ 22:19:04 any relation? 22:19:07 oerjan, now I didn't know about that 22:19:08 oerjan: and this here is my comment! 22:19:08 oerjan: ooh, sexually attractive. 22:19:20 oklopol: you stole it from me! 22:19:22 http://code.google.com/p/haspy/source/browse/#svn/trunk%3Fstate%3Dclosed 22:19:24 i love vaporware 22:19:27 oerjan, but actually kind of related 22:19:46 ehird, yeah 22:19:57 it's... compelling 22:19:58 comforting. 22:19:59 or something. 22:20:04 "has pee ..why?" -philic 22:20:10 it was my second attempt after checking if "haspys" meant something 22:20:27 so you 22:20:37 like it when you don't know why people have pee i guess 22:20:48 "ha spy" -philic 22:20:52 you like to laugh at spies. 22:20:59 sexually. 22:21:01 yes. 22:21:07 sexual laughter 22:21:18 "H.A.S.P-y"-phillic, where H.A.S.P.Y. = Haskell and Sudo Python | Yes 22:21:20 like "mihihi tickles ;;)" 22:21:25 you like constructing nonsensical pipelines. 22:21:59 rube-goldberg pipelines 22:22:12 hm i guess there's no hyphen 22:22:50 AnMaster: i think we're ready to hear what haspy means. 22:23:14 haskell and python oerjan, but actually kind of related 22:23:19 ehird loves both 22:23:52 oh. so it was *that* related. 22:23:56 oklopol, yes... 22:24:00 that's... rather stupid. 22:24:09 ehird, hapyphilic is harder to say 22:24:10 for one, it wasn't funny... for the other, haskell and python aren't my favourite languages 22:24:10 :P 22:24:12 hah that's _so_ out there, i mean i _knew_ it, er... 22:24:26 ehird, " ehird, it isn't a joke... for one, it wasn't funny..." 22:24:27 well 22:24:31 what did you expect... 22:24:33 if it wasn't a joke, what was it 22:24:42 ehird, an observation 22:24:47 not everything has to be funny 22:24:52 umm, that's not much of an observation 22:25:01 ehird, how so? 22:25:02 umm it's a lie? 22:25:08 *umm, 22:25:12 oklopol, you could debate the truth in it 22:25:18 AnMaster: you're valgrindphillic 22:25:18 certainly 22:25:21 see, you use valgrind sometimes 22:25:25 what do you mean it's not funny 22:25:27 it was AN OBSERVATION 22:25:28 no, not everything has to be funny. some things need to be cried over for days and days. 22:25:32 ehird, nah. I'm valgrindophillic 22:25:35 sounds better 22:25:37 :P 22:25:44 no, it makes it sound more like a gay sex practice. 22:25:49 if that's your thing... 22:25:58 ehird, not the first part no 22:26:04 val-grind-o-phillic 22:26:18 ehird, as long as that is an i and not an a 22:26:27 ... grand? 22:26:32 does "valgrind" come from "wall grinder" 22:26:42 oklopol, no, from Nordic mythology 22:26:47 read their FAQ 22:26:48 valgrind comes from "Val, the Grind-o-Master" 22:26:53 of gay gayness 22:26:56 ehird, read their FAQ 22:27:08 is that where AnMaster got his name? 22:27:13 no, I'm busy joking. 22:27:15 oklopol: yep. 22:27:16 oklopol, http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/faq.html#faq.whence 22:27:19 ah 22:27:22 ehird, you aren't funny 22:27:27 he's "Val's Little Brother, a Grind-o-Master" 22:27:31 incidentally it's not that far off from being a plausible norwegian name 22:27:42 oerjan, http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/faq.html#faq.whence 22:27:58 also http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/faq.html#faq.pronounce 22:28:11 but every Norwegian or Swedish person could figure that out 22:28:20 I guess ehird would need to know it is a short i 22:28:23 heh, for a second there i thought it was the same link a third time for those who weren't highlighted yet :P 22:28:30 darn and i thought it meant value grinder :D 22:28:53 oklopol, oh do you think that is needed? 22:29:51 wow, this lisp compile is taking along time 22:29:59 AnMaster: yes! 22:30:07 over 32595 lines of compiler output as it compiles tons of dependencies and everything 22:30:15 pretty stupid faq btw, doesn't even say what valgrind *is* 22:30:28 maybe it's not asked frequently for some reason 22:30:46 AnMaster: in fact you should probably link it to oerjan again 22:30:47 ehird: taking along time? have it give it back at _once_! 22:30:57 haha 22:30:57 because "oerjan: darn and i thought it meant value grinder :D" is also in the faq 22:31:11 valgrind = valgrind grinder 22:31:17 the val is an abbreviation of valgrind 22:31:18 oklopol: er i read that before saying it 22:31:34 but i also meant it 22:32:41 btw val = battleground, grind = gate 22:32:45 oerjan: 1) i'm joking 2) your mom 3) that's irrelevant because of your face 4) if you'd read it you wouldn't have said "and", you would've indicated somehow that you were part of the majority who thought that, perhaps with one of ithkuil's fine suffices. 22:32:46 "Why I think Bush planned the 2001-09-11 World Trade attacks" 22:32:47 Oh please... 22:33:05 oklopol: teach me ithkuil suffices! 22:34:15 fhtagn! 22:34:39 it's funny how everyone says the people who believe that conspiracy thing are idiots, but no one actually explains the major holes they point out. 22:34:48 i mean i don't care one way or the other, just objectively speaking. 22:34:53 ehird: btw you're away 22:35:01 no i'm not 22:35:13 but /whois gives an away message 22:35:20 also if that was recent, yeah, maybe the subject could be dropped already 22:35:31 ehird: you are away, your bouncer is lying to you 22:35:32 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 22:35:44 ais523: I unawayed, silly. 22:35:48 ehird: i don't know any of them off the top of my head brain. 22:37:13 oklopol: what about the other brain? 22:38:52 you're closer to my fingers, why don't you ask them 22:38:57 directly 22:39:12 38612 lines of output... 22:39:14 hello fingers, is oklopol taking his medications properly? 22:39:29 YOU TAKLIN TOMMEE? 22:39:35 oh dear. 22:39:58 hm i conclude the fingers must be taking too much of something 22:40:10 maybe the medication is clogging in them 22:40:23 probably. 22:40:27 they look kinda swollen 22:41:23 ; compilation unit finished ; caught 10 WARNING conditions ; printed 3273 notes 22:41:28 FINA-FUCKING-LY! 22:42:40 ehird: what were you compiling? 22:42:58 I just did: CL-USER> (require :weblocks-demo) 22:43:03 but i'd just installed weblocks 22:43:09 and its 5 bajillion dependencies 22:43:12 so it compiled them all 22:43:19 took about half an hour 22:44:53 alien technology is built for those with patiecne 22:44:56 *patience 22:48:28 patiecne is an especially painful form of acne 22:50:07 Please add '/Users/ehird/Code/oracle/oracle/' to asdf:*central-registry* before you proceed. 22:50:08 ugh, really? 22:50:14 I have to do that for every app? 22:50:16 Grumble.. 22:53:13 back 22:53:17 oklopol, right 22:53:24 http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/faq.html#faq.whence http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/faq.html#faq.pronounce 22:54:12 pretty stupid faq btw, doesn't even say what valgrind *is* <-- err it does that right at the main page... 22:54:36 of the faq? 22:54:52 * oerjan hands AnMaster the swatter 22:54:59 :P 22:55:08 oklopol, not of the faq 22:55:11 * AnMaster swats oklopol 22:55:17 :(( 22:55:21 hearts is fun 22:55:21 oklopol, like at http://valgrind.org/ 22:55:22 * oerjan takes it back 22:55:32 look how fun 22:55:34 <3 22:55:35 where most people end up *FIRST* 22:55:36 <3<3<3<3 22:55:37 <3<3 22:55:41 oklopol, nah that isn't fun 22:55:45 IS TOO 22:55:46 =2 22:55:47 it is like anti-fun 22:55:58 nuf of that 22:55:59 oerjan, I still hold references to it! 22:56:20 * AnMaster gets one using a reference and then swats another reference 22:56:30 also it's visually pleasing 22:56:42 almost like a real heart. 22:56:43 oklopol, depends on font 22:56:48 * oerjan uses a copying gc to move the swatter, making all external refs broken 22:57:01 oerjan, ah but your updates 22:57:06 like a handle 22:57:07 so fail 22:57:12 huh? 22:57:42 oerjan, I can just use oerjan.ResolveHandle(hSwatter); 22:57:51 didn't know you ran win32... 22:58:17 or why is there otherwise an Ex variant? 22:58:23 bah 22:58:26 AnMaster: well i meant the actual game, but sure font too 22:58:37 oklopol, what game? 22:58:45 umm 22:58:49 blackjack. 22:58:56 * AnMaster googles 22:58:59 xD 22:59:02 oh my god 22:59:04 you're awesome. 22:59:04 AnMaster: WORDLY KNOWLEDGABLE 22:59:08 *WORLDLY 22:59:11 ehird, no I'm not 22:59:11 i was like 22:59:17 AnMaster: but you _do_ know the number of hairs on rms's beard. 22:59:17 I never claimed to be 22:59:23 ehird, in fact no 22:59:29 "lol you can't be serious? well. let's take a game everyone knows then" 22:59:31 tell me 22:59:32 does AnMaster live in a faraday cage? 22:59:42 ehird, I know what that is 22:59:46 :P 22:59:51 of course you do: you see one every day. 22:59:52 oklopol, um, chess? 22:59:53 because you live in one. 23:00:05 AnMaster: blackjack is as well-known as chess 23:00:22 ehird, nah this house is not using a metal frame, it uses logs in the core 23:00:34 oklopol, I actually heard the name before 23:00:40 I just had no clue about details 23:00:46 I never bothered to find out 23:00:52 okay 36 vs. 43 well-knownity points 23:01:53 ehird, did you know most computer cases act as faraday cages? I bet you do. 23:02:20 I ran a computer without a case 23:02:33 ehird, yes and there are completely plastic cases too 23:02:52 I imagine this iMac is just plastic. 23:03:00 hm maybe 23:03:07 ehird, I know my PC case is mostly steel 23:03:17 Mac Pros are metal through and through 23:03:20 even the ousdi 23:03:21 outside 23:03:22 and I seen lots of PC cases that were plastic with a steel box inside 23:17:41 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection).