< 1234137616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1234137622 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1234137994 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1234138003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who're you then? :) < 1234138143 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ume.. from argentina.. < 1234138149 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? < 1234138169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :England. What brings you here? < 1234138197 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really know, i was wondering about irc, i use to use it a lot.. few years ago.. < 1234138207 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used.. < 1234138237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) this channel's about esoteric programming languages. heard of them? < 1234138278 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oum, no, i thought it was about esoteric.. themes.. whats esoteric programming languages? < 1234138302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people coming in here thinking that < 1234138316 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeje < 1234138319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_languages < 1234138324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are esoteric themes? < 1234138331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: esoterica < 1234138335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"themes" < 1234138338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1234138339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well k. < 1234138341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magick" and all that. < 1234138377 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeje < 1234138379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess our current topic doesn't help < 1234138414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radioactivity: is jeje laughter? < 1234138420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234138429 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just yesterday i was reading about turing < 1234138430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish people do that :-P < 1234138431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh argentina < 1234138441 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, is a laugh < 1234138455 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234138474 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make more like 'hah' laughs, right? < 1234138477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually just going by kerlo speaking spanish today. < 1234138484 0 :Slereah2!n=fff@ANantes-259-1-100-171.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1234138491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radioactivity: "hahaha" is the typical english laugh, yeah < 1234138493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radioactivity: i use heh, hehe, hah and lol < 1234138504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have slightly different connotations < 1234138523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh: you're boring < 1234138525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe: amusing < 1234138527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay hehe and heh have slightly different connotations, the rest have entirely different ones. < 1234138527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah: you're stupid < 1234138530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: whatever man < 1234138540 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol is more like a no-laugh < 1234138548 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol -.- < 1234138558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol lol lol < 1234138574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe -> heh -> hah for "funnier" -> "wittier" i think. < 1234138592 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like a guy \ o / but l o l < 1234138599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smileys for stuff i actually lol at < 1234138623 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, more like je, jeje, jajajaj. < 1234138642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think it's because in spanish j = y kind of sound right < 1234138642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1234138651 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i really laugh i go wHUAUhAHHUWU < 1234138665 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more like a h and a y < 1234138670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go "HAHAHAHAHAHAhadhajsgdkjaskfhaksjdfhddfglhkfhjk" < 1234138672 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is between those < 1234138678 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajjaj, like that < 1234138724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y kind of sound..? < 1234138757 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no is more like... < 1234138780 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty much like your 'ha' < 1234138795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234138802 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here the H is more like a no-sound (?) < 1234138803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik spanish "j" is english "h", but not as deep in the mouth < 1234138810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be phonetically exact. < 1234138859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radioactivity: you could just say you don't pronounce it. < 1234138865 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here if we say something like 'voy a hacer pasteles' the word 'hacer' sounds like there is no first letter. < 1234138871 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, is simplier. ja < 1234138892 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really speak lots of english, sorry. < 1234138893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to explain, everyone knows spanish < 1234138917 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oki/ < 1234138953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i didn't even understand what you said there < 1234138961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna make pancakes? < 1234139004 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its more like pies < 1234139015 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, im not. < 1234139020 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1234139123 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didnt knew this esoteric programming thingie < 1234139244 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jejaj, brainfuck, nothing to do with operation mindfuck, right? < 1234139261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know operation mindfuck < 1234139270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles. Discordian thing. < 1234139339 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1234139383 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like discordians.. < 1234139389 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1234139390 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1234139398 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm deciding whether I want to learn haskell < 1234139484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuurgh < 1234139492 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i get 0xffffffffdeadbeef instead of 0xdeadbeef < 1234139529 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beebeebeebee < 1234139536 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee5 < 1234139668 0 :whoppix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234139685 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1234139715 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will #haskellers kill me if I ask stupid questions in there :/ < 1234139897 0 :whoppix!n=whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp0186.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1234140008 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fuck languages that require you to make source files to define things < 1234140009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234140017 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. prolog, haskell < 1234140020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = 5 < 1234140046 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf: stupid questions[ < 1234140048 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1234140075 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1331209 < 1234140168 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also, by saying that, you probably sped up my learning of haskell by a large factor < 1234140181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: np < 1234144130 0 :radioactivity!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234144208 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1234145197 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1234145633 0 :whoppix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234145718 0 :whoppix!n=whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp0186.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1234146016 0 :whoppix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Verlassend" < 1234146307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1234146565 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-127-13.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234149075 0 :icefox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1234149538 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234149666 0 :Slereah2!n=fff@ANantes-259-1-15-108.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1234150022 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234150671 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1234156217 0 :DarkPants!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1234156994 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1234157822 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1234163829 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234165594 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comex : btw, usually you don't *have*to* make a source file for defining predicates in prolog ..) < 1234165653 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?- [user]. < 1234165663 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |: foo(X) :- bar(X). < 1234165674 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |: baz(17). < 1234165680 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |: ^D < 1234165720 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?- assertz(( bar(Y) :- baz(Z),Y is Z + 25 )). < 1234165732 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?- foo(N). < 1234165737 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : N = 42 ; < 1234165738 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NO < 1234166399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1234166400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1234167700 0 :ktne!n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne JOIN :#esoteric < 1234167719 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1234167728 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is ehird coming here usually? < 1234168449 0 :kwufo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234170397 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1234170825 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1234172042 0 :kwufo!n=regular@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1234173475 0 :kwufo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234173580 0 :Slereah2!n=fff@ANantes-259-1-57-163.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1234173625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne, European afternoon I think < 1234173659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :West Europe that is (he lives in UK) < 1234174221 0 :upyr[ema`!n=emacs@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1234174221 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1234174811 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thanks < 1234177221 0 :kwufo!n=regular@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1234180147 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-102-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1234183067 0 :kwufo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1234183736 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-041-121.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1234184056 0 :kwufo!n=regular@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1234184808 0 :kwufo1!n=regular@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1234184957 0 :kwufo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1234185113 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234187542 0 :icefox!n=icefox@c-71-192-50-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234192131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: I'm here < 1234192678 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1234192710 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234192731 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you happen to know an accessible paper on CPS transformation? < 1234192765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope... It's always seemed quite simple to me... ktne: Look at the examples on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation-passing_style? The transformation is really quite simple < 1234192803 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just thinking that maybe there is a catch and ad-hoc methods wouldn't work < 1234192812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know :-) < 1234192816 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234193667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if we allow "non-repetitive infinite initial conditions" i'm pretty sure that makes SMETANA turing-complete as well it would be a very simple structure, it has a "head" and then a "tail" consisting of identical pieces of code with different numbers (trivially generated by any process) < 1234193674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 logreader: thoughts? < 1234193814 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is CPS transformation of sequencial code any different? < 1234193824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Nope < 1234193826 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks like all examples are functional < 1234193838 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1234193842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: a; b < 1234193843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would just be < 1234193848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a (lambda (_) b)) < 1234193852 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1234193856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you're discarding the result) < 1234193884 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, brb < 1234195876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1234195881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google AI? < 1234195889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled for: canon eos 5d megapixels < 1234195893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got this: < 1234195897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canon EOS 5D — Megapixels: 12.8Mp < 1234195897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://www.dcmag.co.uk/Canon_EOS_5D.YcxcOYJoY7WsLA.html < 1234195908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarily smart... < 1234195926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen scraping is hard < 1234195928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go shopping < 1234195942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1234196370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off topic: best case design for PCI slots ever (no screws needed for anything in this case!): http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1116.jpg It's an old dell case (old as in "Designed for Windows 98" sticker) < 1234196414 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: quite neat < 1234196453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are more images of it in the same directory in case you want to see how it is opened (like a book) < 1234196460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1110.jpg < 1234196523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne, compared to my desktop which needs like 15 screws to open and is a mess of cables inside... this case is heaven. < 1234196575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at iMac < 1234196584 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234196587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many cables here. :P < 1234196623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true, but as far as I remember macs (apart from mac pro) are kind of hard to get inside and replace parts), apart from ram < 1234196633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1234196636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ram tends to be easy to reach on them, oh and airport card on older ones < 1234196644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RAM is in a special slot at the bottom. < 1234196650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1234196659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my old ibook it was under the keyboard < 1234196659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just put it on the side, take out the screws, and the ram slots are there on the bottom < 1234196678 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1234196680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pull some plastic things, flip it back < 1234196690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have one more cable than is strictly necessary - I could use wifi instead of ethernet - but that'd be slow. < 1234196696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only other cable coming out is a power cord.) < 1234196704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, an imac wouldn't allow me to replace the cd drive as easily as this dell < 1234196704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think we've quite got wireless electricity) < 1234196705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you should use wireless power too < 1234196711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Beat you to it. < 1234196720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: True, but I don't need to replace the CD drive. :P < 1234196728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pulled the old drive out (old cd reader) and replaced it with a slightly less old cd burner < 1234196729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234196741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, colour doesn't match any more < 1234196752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old one had a black tray < 1234196761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's a DVD burner, so there's not really much upgrading I could do to it. < 1234196770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw for reference: http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1116.jpg http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1110.jpg < 1234196771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I wanted blu-ray or something. Yech. < 1234196773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best case ever < 1234196774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234196786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a Transformer. < 1234196787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true, my case was way older < 1234196795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? my case or your case? < 1234196796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimus Mersenne Prime < 1234196798 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-193.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234196799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yours < 1234196802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1234196816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think it is "Optiplex" not "Optimus" < 1234196823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the model < 1234196835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that was, like, intentional. < 1234196839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1234196840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise what I was referencing? < 1234196842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1234196846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and no < 1234196849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1234196853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transformers. Google it. < 1234196859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of it < 1234196882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't heard of "Optimus Mersenne Prime", though I know what a Mersenne Prime is < 1234196894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Optimus Prime. < 1234196897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 1 of 1 for "Optimus Mersenne Prime". (0.38 seconds) < 1234196900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234196904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime < 1234196929 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234197127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1234197176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes ais523  < 1234197186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't asked him a question < 1234197189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect as a response? < 1234197197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "ouch" or "what?" < 1234197205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1234197209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean when you poke someone < 1234197211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I could just not respond < 1234197221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what I was expecting. < 1234197224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I think it's simplest to nickping someone in the same line as you ask the question in < 1234197231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that < 1234197233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1234197235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm imitating < 1234197236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex < 1234197242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1116.jpg http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/photos/phoenix/phoenix_1110.jpg <-- what do you think of that case design < 1234197265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, ais523 the foremost expert on case design < 1234197278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: read the logs? i asked a question to do with the 2,3 machine, quoting lament < 1234197298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, did I claim he was an expert? < 1234197300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case design never was my strong point, but I've sometimes had to do it because the person who was meant to be doing it didn't < 1234197309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1234197316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you seem a bit obsessed with the case s'all < 1234197333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyone would be after looking inside the mess that is my desktop < 1234197346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely, my old desktop is almost certainly worse. < 1234197350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It computed more with dust than a CPU. < 1234197358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure if I have much of an opinion on that < 1234197365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a normal computer case to me... < 1234197369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean it is like having to use TECO and then suddenly trying modern kate or whatever < 1234197396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just like that you don't need any screws at all in it < 1234197401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Kate isn't even Turing-complete! < 1234197409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editor analogies: the new car analogies. < 1234197410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe it is, but not as obviously as TECO < 1234197412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had proving there are infinite mersenne primes as an exercise on our discrete math course < 1234197414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well true, but it is easier to use < 1234197423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about text editor < 1234197427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not programming language < 1234197433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my fault teco is both < 1234197434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1234197446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'd prefer TECO to Kate, probably. < 1234197460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you ever tried Kate? < 1234197464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok what about TECO vs. < 1234197465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1234197469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used it when I used KDE. < 1234197474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With TECO I can build a glob of macros to make it bearable (like rms did :P). < 1234197475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE3 Kate or KDE4 Kate? < 1234197480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas Kate is just... limited. < 1234197480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1234197482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do much. < 1234197485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: KDE3. < 1234197494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, I rather liked that one < 1234197497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I haven't used KDE4 yet so I was comparing with KDE3 < 1234197511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kate isn't _bad_ < 1234197514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: neither KDE4.0 nor KDE4.1 is finished < 1234197518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried 4.2 < 1234197518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't do much in the way of advanced editing. < 1234197522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not efficient. < 1234197523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about teco vs. < 1234197523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the unfinishedness in .0 and .1 really shows < 1234197527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECO is obscure and horrid, but could be efficient. < 1234197533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teco vs. haskell? < 1234197552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famously, Emacs was originally written in TECO < 1234197556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird knows that already < 1234197559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mentioned that < 1234197559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know < 1234197559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1234197561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if everyone here does < 1234197562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haskell, obviously. And for text editor, well, I like TextMate but I use emacs more, since it does Haskell better. < 1234197566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comment on globally unsolved math as an exercise? you ppl are seriously weird. < 1234197567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:38 With TECO I can build a glob of macros to make it bearable (like rms did :P). < 1234197572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1234197575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you solve it < 1234197589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in fact i did not! < 1234197593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1234197595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you lose marks < 1234197599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234197623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't actually one of the questions, more like for extra points < 1234197633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was the only one who didn't get it < 1234197636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1234197638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just make the whole goddamn paper all unsolved shit < 1234197645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're bound to get it eventually < 1234197650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1234197652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll be famous < 1234197653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOP < 1234197662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right. if there's anything at all complex, i'm the only one who solves it < 1234197665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much for all courses < 1234197673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol what is 2+2 < 1234197698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1234197723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like j, it's replacing python as my calculator already < 1234197734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it's extremely annoying as a calculator < 1234197736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1234197768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234197777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is pretty awesome but I have ideaaaaas to make it better < 1234197786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j can you define adverbssss < 1234197839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why is it annoying as a calculator < 1234197856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean math that was invented a million years ago is pretty much optimized. that includes the precedences of +/*/^, they are perfect. < 1234197880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1234197885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the number representation was invented a million years ago, and i fucking hate it < 1234197889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I guess % for division is annoying < 1234197893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stillll < 1234197896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not at all < 1234197905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to use the unicode char < 1234197934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's simple substitution, the precedence thing somehow feels like i'm structuring the whole calculation wrong (probably because it's more verbose) < 1234197935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1234197940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not / for division? < 1234197946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's fold < 1234197955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn j then you'll know :P < 1234197969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right.... array programming languages tend to run out symbols pretty quickly < 1234197978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not running out < 1234197981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: / and \ are fold and umm what's it called < 1234197982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's giving priority to some things < 1234197986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it doesn't actually use many symbols < 1234197987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that is perl < 1234198005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just spout out meaningless unfunniness like something that spouts out a lot, don't you. < 1234198010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc php? (or they wouldn't have used \ for namespace) < 1234198023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, php devs just can't write a parser. < 1234198026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1234198034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should be able to do this: < 1234198035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1234198037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1234198039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1234198041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j < 1234198049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1234198054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would hate that so much < 1234198060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1234198065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1234198066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but if they can't handle . or :: for namespace they can't handle the difference between = and == either, yet they have = == and === < 1234198075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah "can't write a parser" I guess is correct < 1234198128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ¹∕₀ < 1234198131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about: < 1234198131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set my variable to one divided by five < 1234198133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that / is actually a division slash. < 1234198134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i find the division stuff not so nice in math, often i actually try to keep my numbers integral just so i don't have to start using twice the height. < 1234198135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234198138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that would be applescript... < 1234198169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sorry, i cannot read that. < 1234198171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no one that has seen applescript should be able to like apple... < 1234198181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, charset and/or font fail < 1234198184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see it < 1234198186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applescript's semantics are useful. the syntax is stupid, but who the fuck cares. < 1234198191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no shit < 1234198196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's superscript 1, division slash, subscript 0 < 1234198202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1234198224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? no "combining" char+ < 1234198226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1234198227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234198232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1234198238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, none of those symbols are valdi j < 1234198242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't assign them < 1234198244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make them work < 1234198264 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there's no esolang with support for such signs < 1234198266 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why not? < 1234198267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1234198270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: unikitten < 1234198273 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1234198281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: unpublished < 1234198288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who made it+ < 1234198288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1234198294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me. < 1234198298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates + and ? on same key < 1234198302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unikitten sounds so cute i wanna hug it. < 1234198309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i know. < 1234198309 0 :DH_!n=DHeadsho@eduroam-30-179.rdg.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1234198309 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1234198313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like el cuto. < 1234198316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten. uni. < 1234198317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unigarfield < 1234198320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1234198322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unikitten. < 1234198338 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must support ÷ and ×, right? < 1234198358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think kitten == cute is silly. I mean they grow up cats. Is an old tomcat "cute"? < 1234198361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure, but also the division slash < 1234198368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if you use super/subscripts < 1234198371 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1234198377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just replace every mention of "kitten" in a "cute" context on irc with "garfield" < 1234198384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: butterflies aren't pretty because they used to be caterpillars < 1234198384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. < 1234198385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to work < 1234198392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garfield isn't a kitten < 1234198395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a fucking cartoon cat < 1234198398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also kittens aren't cute IMO < 1234198399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten != cat, cartoon != real < 1234198401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1234198408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know, but why make sense? < 1234198415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kittens are very cute < 1234198415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just stop being annoying and saying GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD GARFIELD all the time < 1234198420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really irritating < 1234198450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :women aren't cute cuz some day they die anyway and worms eat their face < 1234198468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1234198468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also kittens -> allergy medicine < 1234198469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1234198490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well just because you can't appreciate kittens doesn't mean you have to ruin it in a hissy fit for us < 1234198508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah us kitten lovers are very sensitive about our love fo kittens < 1234198511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1234198520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just because you are so sensitive means you have to complain everytime someone disagrees with you < 1234198542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, saying garfield and whining whenever someone says kitten is annoying. that's not the same as saying "i don't find kittens cute", once. < 1234198561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please learn the difference between stating your opinion and whining about your opinion constantly whenever it comes up. < 1234198564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is not annoying, the other is < 1234198585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, last time I believe was before FireFly joined for example < 1234198595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is about informing any new people < 1234198603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some collateral damage may be involved < 1234198606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really amused you think they care. < 1234198618 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-35-203.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1234198630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course. I know I'm the center of the universe.~ < 1234198660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cares :< < 1234198774 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVtxEA7AEHg < 1234198781 0 :DH_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" < 1234198804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i still haven't figured out how to do that thing in j :< < 1234198896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wudding < 1234198898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1234198912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1234198922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err actually i do not remember < 1234198943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here is a list, make all unique length-2 lists with picks from this list, then map them all as the left argument to this op" < 1234198955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution you gave was like 20 characters longer than the APL to do that :< < 1234199207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there anything array programming languages are bad at? < 1234199261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1234199268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1234199276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1234199279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops. < 1234199286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so writing an irc bot in apl? < 1234199296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible, yes. < 1234199310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course it is possible, as long as you have stdin/stdout < 1234199318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similiar < 1234199323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar* < 1234199356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but would it be something it was "good" at, or just "not bad" at? < 1234199368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it would need a main loop anywya < 1234199371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway* < 1234199372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1234199375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd map over the input lines < 1234199387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1234199389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never, ever _need_ to loop in array programming languages < 1234199392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1234199401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be fine, anyway. Not much chance to excersize its paradigm, but IRC bots are inherently uninteresting anyway. < 1234199409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1234199459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about text processing? In sed-style < 1234199469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1234199538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean how easy would it be to write something like: /^foo: /s/abc([0-9][0-9]*)/def\1ghj/;/quux/d < 1234199541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in apl < 1234199550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, that's highly irrelevant to the programming environment < 1234199553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1234199557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just trivial boring library stuff that nobody cares about < 1234199562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I mean a program that performed the same task < 1234199565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that sed line < 1234199565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1234199572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing to do with the paradigm < 1234199574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial boring library stuff that nobody cares about < 1234199575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1234199600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually not sure how you mean? APL has a "sed" library? < 1234199604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1234199653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, forget it then, if you aren't going to make any sense. < 1234199655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: J lies :< < 1234199656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1%0 < 1234199656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1234199657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0*_ < 1234199658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's somewhat relevant :| slicin n dicin. < 1234199660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1234199662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1234199695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: both are perfectly reasonable < 1234199705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not together < 1234199706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not consistent < 1234199714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1234199724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*(y/x)=y is a pretty good law :P < 1234199744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly n*_ should look at the last division you did < 1234199747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see what it should be < 1234199753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1234199782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".'''a''' < 1234199783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1234199783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1234199786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love sql quoting < 1234199822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder how to get permutations in j < 1234199860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 (([,]) (0: { [) 3)"0/ 4 5 6 <<< why no give 3 3 $ 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 :| < 1234199881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno lol < 1234199885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1234199889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jsoftware < 1234200052 0 :kwufo1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1234200104 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-041-121.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1234201278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alexander_horned_sphere.png <<< this thing here, it's perfection < 1234201432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude is that recursive < 1234201433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1234201449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fairly awesome. < 1234201543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: more perfect: http://www.ultrafractal.com/showcase/jos/alexanders-horn.html < 1234202362 0 :kwufo!n=regular@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1234202481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers writing logic-checker-thingy < 1234202500 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic checker? < 1234202509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1234202523 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something like a proof validator? < 1234202527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1234202534 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1234202560 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need to specify the initial state of a proof < 1234202563 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all valid transitions < 1234202567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1234202569 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a finishing condition < 1234202576 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you go through the list of transitions < 1234202581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234202582 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking to see if each one of them is valid < 1234202587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :) < 1234202591 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you end the proof < 1234202614 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was just doing a bit of loud brainstorming here :) < 1234202650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main aim is to be sort of both a blend of prolog and something to do things like check soundness of logic, e.g. to detect logical fallacies < 1234202659 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1234202674 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be prolog usable for that? < 1234202730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, to adegree < 1234202742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking of things like: < 1234202742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ((P => Q) ^ Q) => P < 1234202743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1234202755 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need some sort of parametrization too < 1234202785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234204847 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-116.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1234205313 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1234205400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But it's just a random name for discussion of a variety of topics including AI, cake, #zot, and the topics applicable in #zot. < 1234205415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the second topic is not entirely accurate. < 1234205427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it was a lie. < 1234205446 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lie once, you'll never be trusted again. < 1234205468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's an interesting lie < 1234205580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oum, no, i thought it was about esoteric.. themes.. whats esoteric programming languages? < 1234205598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the channel is rarely on topic, this would not be that off topic < 1234205644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, did radioactivity become an esoprogrammer? < 1234205696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : radioactivity: is jeje laughter? < 1234205711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i thought for a moment it was a phonetic spelling of yeah, yeah < 1234205735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in spanish it _would_ be a phonetic spelling of heh, heh < 1234205873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh: you're boring < 1234205879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funnier out of context < 1234206151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : will #haskellers kill me if I ask stupid questions in there :/ < 1234206174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1234206187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall, no, in fact they will ban anyone who mocks you instead. they have a _strict_ newbie-friendly policy. < 1234206202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if newbies mock each other? < 1234206206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it may have changed, but i doubt it. < 1234206215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well trolls are banned too < 1234206219 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ridiculously newbie-friendly channel- < 1234206226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for when you ask a question and nobody answers < 1234206228 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1234206232 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're all stupid < 1234206236 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate them < 1234206257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: this the same #haskell i used to frequent? < 1234206281 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't go there anymore? < 1234206282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is so great :D < 1234206289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i mostly answered questions rather than asking them < 1234206291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too floody for him < 1234206295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1234206309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was not the reason, so i'm still confident < 1234206312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wait < 1234206313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1234206367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the energy for that much abstract thinking any more < 1234206473 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234206482 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what do you do in your spare time? < 1234206511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does this! < 1234206535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is true :D < 1234206546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\o \o/ o// \o/ _o_ \o/ < 1234206600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webcomics, reddit, some news sources... < 1234206611 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you a cheerleader now? < 1234206624 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sure looks good in a skirt < 1234206629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he would, i bet < 1234206631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1234206646 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're boring, just like i am :( < 1234206657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: true, true < 1234206660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say, haven't tried. < 1234206662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit is horrible though < 1234206677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you consider wearing a skirt, oklopol? < 1234206678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: but you play jazz, that's kinda cool! < 1234206680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1234206682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't! < 1234206687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1234206690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nice when it was mostly news about haskell < 1234206690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: not if you love pun threads :D < 1234206705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i suppose i was happy when banana scheme was on it < 1234206717 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these days it's almost slashdot < 1234206718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: please be insulted. < 1234206729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, do you read hn.yc? < 1234206735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell has its own subreddit now < 1234206741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i do play jazz, if you can call that jazz, if you can call that play. < 1234206741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacker news is shit < 1234206747 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: never heard of it < 1234206747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul graham circlejerk 24/7 < 1234206757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. i just ignore the pg stuff. < 1234206760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1234206761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: news.ycombinator.com < 1234206762 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yc < 1234206765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in pg < 1234206766 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1234206771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: reddit.com/r/haskell < 1234206774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you mean "ic"? < 1234206775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234206776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well right, i meant for a living, but i guess when it comes to not being boring that matters not. < 1234206782 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yc as i pg. ic. < 1234206787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in* < 1234206796 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing but two letter words! :D < 1234206797 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the haskell reddit is just a clone of planet haskell, which i read < 1234206803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yc as in pg ic! :D :D :D < 1234206814 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: is news.ycombinator.com any good? < 1234206815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: next you will learn words of >2 letters. < 1234206818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: nope. < 1234206820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wary of pg-related stuff < 1234206823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its ok. < 1234206834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there is a disproportionate amount of pg whoring < 1234206836 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looking at the headers < 1234206840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly, slow to load, and it's pretty much reddit, except everyone circlejerks instead of flaming < 1234206842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: er, ok < 1234206843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How did we geeks become experts on macroeconomics"? < 1234206843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its always labeled as being pg stuff < 1234206846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can tell by the url < 1234206853 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its easy to be attentive of < 1234206854 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yahoo Should Buy Microsoft" < 1234206860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Careers and Marriage" < 1234206865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD PROGRAMMERS AREN'T LAZY < 1234206867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i find that reddit contains a lot of non-techy stuff < 1234206872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than yc < 1234206873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: /r/programming < 1234206877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: how to become a better programmer < 1234206877 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1234206877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN < 1234206878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1234206880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINUTES < 1234206885 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true! < 1234206887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 minutes! < 1234206893 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New Puzzle Challenges Math Skills" < 1234206907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got 6 minutes, right? < 1234206908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it! < 1234206909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a bigger font size. < 1234206910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculously easy -- but it works. < 1234206912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to your favourite IDE, and crank the font-size up. I switched from 10pt to 14 pt. The difference is that a lot less code fits on the screen at once. < 1234206916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effect is: you're forced to write shorter methods. And that's a Good Thing. < 1234206917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Scott Hanselman recommends that one) < 1234206919 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recruiting Drops At Business Schools" < 1234206920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god. < 1234206922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how retarded. < 1234206924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make hard-coded strings look ugly. < 1234206926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt this from Joe Cooney. < 1234206928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to your favourite IDE, and set it so that literal strings stand right out -- for example a yellow background with a red font. Make 'em ugly. Damn ugly. This will encourage you to perform less hard coding, and to notice when you are embedding strings in your text. < 1234206931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why aren't developers interested in Ada?" < 1234206932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......................... < 1234206950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Micropayments, Reimagined" < 1234206953 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to read this :( < 1234207012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneezes < 1234207059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION directs his virus scanner to psygnisfive  < 1234207081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at < 1234207083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs antivirus despite being a mac < 1234207084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1234207101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger font size? yeah sure the gain from not *accidentally* shorter methods outweighs not seeing as great a proportion of your code. < 1234207103 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using a mac? that's gay < 1234207118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1234207121 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also gay so it fits. < 1234207123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you accidentally all your methods? < 1234207123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's right, gaybag. < 1234207128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirds using a mac but he's a girl so. < 1234207133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need antivirus despite using Linux, the terms of service of the wireless here says so < 1234207134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is also using a mac, psygnisfive. < 1234207136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i use small fonts. < 1234207141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but lament owns the channel. < 1234207148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't be gay < 1234207150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it ever finds anything < 1234207151 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1234207154 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay people aren't allowed to run channels < 1234207157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. you can only be homosexual. < 1234207160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not me, it's calamari < 1234207167 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, thats ot the point < 1234207194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also starting today, i'm using a mac at work! wooo! < 1234207207 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend just changed jobs and is not longer using a mac at work. :( < 1234207211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari with his tentacles, now that is perverse < 1234207220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hot < 1234207266 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided i probably want to code in haskell for a living < 1234207327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if we allow "non-repetitive infinite initial conditions" i'm pretty sure that makes SMETANA turing-complete as well it would be a very simple structure, it has a "head" and then a "tail" consisting of identical pieces of code with different numbers (trivially generated by any process) < 1234207357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lament was saying that if 2,3=tc smetana=tc < 1234207360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already described such a setup on the old esoteric mailing list < 1234207371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234207372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned. < 1234207374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time. < 1234207380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1234207406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow people are fine with infinite initial setup for automatons, but not for programs < 1234207412 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like racism < 1234207418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/automatons/automata < 1234207452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is you need a program to describe the infinite setup... < 1234207464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some math < 1234207467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1234207480 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: same with automata < 1234207495 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1234207506 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "infitely big empty field" is an infinite setup < 1234207516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1234207568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but programs _started_ as the idea of a finite algorithm description < 1234207592 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234207599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't really have a finite automaton setup < 1234207605 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not defined what happens at the edges < 1234207631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people think you're so tough. < 1234207653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm kind of squishy, mostly < 1234207675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dough < 1234207725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: is CPS transformation of sequencial code any different? < 1234207765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take a look at raph levien's IO language (_not_ the OO one) < 1234207777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1234207781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very interesting :P < 1234207802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----### < 1234207865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows how to make a syntax that _looks_ sequential, but is really CPS < 1234207890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234207897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way is to CPS-transform regular code < 1234207968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think we'll have to suspend your esoteric license now < 1234207992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne isn't trying to make an esolang, which he's said several times. I don't know why he asks here, but there you go. < 1234208007 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought sequential code was already CPS < 1234208009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially < 1234208020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's doing sequential & functional < 1234208043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like monads < 1234208050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234208057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-pure functional < 1234208066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1234208075 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads don't have to be pure < 1234208090 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concon :) < 1234208108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: he's basically making something like scheme but more imperativer < 1234208122 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds boring < 1234208138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: he's also trying to get it as fast as C. < 1234208366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys seen these "Life printers"? < 1234208390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1234208397 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're neat :o < 1234208403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be a recent phenomena < 1234208413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what happened < 1234208418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy coded a program. < 1234208420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golly.sourceforge.net/ticker.gif < 1234208421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made them. < 1234208422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly! < 1234208426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thhat's old. < 1234208427 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? whereabouts? < 1234208429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tlrobinson.net/blog/2009/02/07/game-of-life-generator/ < 1234208429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who did it? < 1234208434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1234208435 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234208437 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1234208445 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crazy guy < 1234208449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wow < 1234208460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'was on /r/programming < 1234208474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s'where i found golly. < 1234208514 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, someone's comment < 1234208516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just in time for Valentine's day, thanks :)" < 1234208536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty impressive that you can code an abstraction for this < 1234208552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really/ < 1234208554 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks remarkably like a physical object too < 1234208558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is TC and it's just a dot matrix printer :P < 1234208567 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234208572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's just gliders. < 1234208573 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but like < 1234208579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just send out a shitload of gliders in a pattern < 1234208582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not particularly difficult < 1234208584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complexity of designing this is more the impressive part < 1234208587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a scanner :D < 1234208593 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1234208606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, these gliders seem to be moving horizontally not diagonally < 1234208606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we'll make the scanner right after we make the impenetrable wall < 1234208606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that WOULD be impressive < 1234208611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, a copier < 1234208618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff crashes into it < 1234208620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it prints it out < 1234208622 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1234208645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaceships, not gliders < 1234208672 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1234208673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume they're http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Game_of_life_animated_LWSS.gif < 1234208687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234208691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still impressed. < 1234208695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty need < 1234208705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the SCALE of the whole thing is ridiculous < 1234208712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, look at the size of the landscape, its enormous! < 1234208713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :| < 1234208715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Life-jaded. < 1234208721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you've seen the turing machine, right? < 1234208727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234208731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one is absurd < 1234208732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you see that and the unit cell < 1234208734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just boring < 1234208741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unit cell? < 1234208747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ho < 1234208753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's a game of life emulator in gol < 1234208758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1234208762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.radicaleye.com/lifepage/patterns/unitcell/ucdesc.html < 1234208798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eigenratio is 5760 < 1234208817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life is at once really pretty and really horrendous < 1234208837 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow what a unit cell is by that definition x.x < 1234208847 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's a cell in the game of life, duh < 1234208861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells me nothing :P < 1234208863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a bunch of them in a grid and you got the game of life < 1234208873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: basically < 1234208878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it acts as one cell < 1234208879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1234208883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1234208884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could arrange multiple unit cells into a glider < 1234208888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they would turn off and on etc < 1234208894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game of life simulator _in_ game of lif < 1234208895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1234208897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulates one cell < 1234208915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a Life construct that simulates an individual cell of Life < 1234208921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1234208923 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense. < 1234208923 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it simulate only one cell? < 1234208933 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic, slereah < 1234208934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: you put them next to each other < 1234208938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to simulate multiple cells < 1234208938 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1234208940 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1234208954 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... How are the edge cells determined? < 1234208960 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they assume the border is empty? < 1234208969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1234208972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends what grid you run it on < 1234208974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if infinite, infinite < 1234208979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if limited and wrapping ,limited and wrapping < 1234208979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1234209005 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: edge behaviour is undefined in game of life < 1234209012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the edgeness is a property of the universe you run life in, not the game of life itself < 1234209013 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need either an infinite or a wrapping setup < 1234209015 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how do they know that the next cell is full or not? < 1234209022 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they send little spaceships if fullN < 1234209024 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1234209025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: if it's full, a glider arrives from it < 1234209030 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1234209038 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's assumed empty at the edge, i guess < 1234209045 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no edges! < 1234209054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty cool, i must say. < 1234209071 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament : Only if you use a fancy infinite computer < 1234209078 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we work for a living you know! < 1234209085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: the behaviour of a cell at the edge of a game of life field is undefined. < 1234209100 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as far as i understand the rules) < 1234209101 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that interpreter is only one cell < 1234209106 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's only one cell < 1234209116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an interpreter < 1234209119 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not the game of life itself, unless you stack an infinity of it < 1234209123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234209130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is < 1234209133 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with any other automaton, you need infinite initial setup < 1234209136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234209141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally, you have finite on cells < 1234209142 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1234209145 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why are you arguing. < 1234209148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1234209149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234209171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: GoL host space = unit cell space < 1234209180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you can simulate it just putting unit cells on an empty field < 1234209230 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea : MAKE A UNIT CELL MADE OF UNIT CELL < 1234209231 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234209239 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam, computer crash < 1234209240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial. A lot of copy-pasting. < 1234209244 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1234209253 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1234209261 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you decide the initial state of the cell? < 1234209265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1234209269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way you do with GoL normally < 1234209271 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr < 1234209274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah dont be stupid < 1234209281 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it depends on whether there's a glider between the long boats? < 1234209292 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa now < 1234209294 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally like normal GOL, psygnisfive < 1234209296 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DURRRRRRR < 1234209300 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DQN DQN < 1234209314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah, obviously theres something that denotes unitcell state < 1234209332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decide initial state by just setting that something just like you do with normal GoL < 1234209346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deciding" is the same. its a decision. that you the person makes. < 1234209358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: Idea : MAKE AN INFINITE RECURSION OF UNIT CELLS < 1234209363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also trivial, really) < 1234209367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1234209371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey thats a fractal! < 1234209374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fractal computer! < 1234209382 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : AND I WAS ASKING WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS, DQN DQN < 1234209387 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DERP DERP < 1234209391 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURR DURR < 1234209392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix life < 1234209394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being vlad < 1234209404 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being you < 1234209410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1234209414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be nice is an O(grid size) algorithm for going an arbitrary amount of steps forward in gol < 1234209472 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think such a thing has been proven to be mathematically impossible. or atleast a mathematical abstraction of the behavior of CAs is impossible to some degree < 1234209476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, in that unit cell setup do you need to use unit cells to simulate off cells too, or can you just put empty space there? < 1234209478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that's what would be necessary < 1234209483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty space < 1234209485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea, I think < 1234209490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so.. < 1234209490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: aww < 1234209498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd need unit cells for off cells < 1234209499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it sends gliders it might be a bit hard < 1234209507 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you didnt have unit cells there too, they couldnt turn on < 1234209508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234209517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it copies itself < 1234209523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you _can_ build things with gliders < 1234209527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well then < 1234209599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could simulate a finite field with a finite field of unit cells < 1234209622 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any gliders at the edges would just fly off to infinity < 1234209630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234209785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in http://www.radicaleye.com/lifepage/patterns/unitcell/ucdesc.html it seems that the cell has two states, so not empty space < 1234209805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the two states < 1234209841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean from the event list at the end < 1234209846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1234209871 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a GoLfile -> GoLfile in Unitcells converter < 1234209925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial < 1234209971 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234209976 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, but it'd be easier than copy-pasting the patterns < 1234210012 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-10-130.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY FUCK < 1234210044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST MADE A SIERPINSKI TRIANGLE IN LIFE < 1234210048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!! < 1234210053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without intending to!! < 1234210077 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pics or it didn't happen < 1234210079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just drew a really long line and wow. < 1234210080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION for a moment thought ehird was still being sarcastic < 1234210081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: uploading < 1234210085 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1234210104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1234210107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I be sarcastic < 1234210110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I look like a foo < 1234210110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1234210116 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1234210118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of your natural state :D < 1234210123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1234210127 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some ruleset, it's what one single cell being on generates.. It comes with Golly < 1234210134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fools are cute, dont worry. <3 < 1234210135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1234210136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09071/picture_1324.png < 1234210137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09071/picture_1324.png < 1234210145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just drew a really long line and it turned into tha < 1234210148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1234210154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a pretty crappy sierpinski triangle < 1234210174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: whoa. < 1234210175 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean by that is its not a sierpinski triangle. < 1234210176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, it came spontaneously from one really long line < 1234210180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah well < 1234210180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it IS cool. < 1234210181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks similar < 1234210213 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that being generated by movement upwards? < 1234210218 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1234210238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew < 1234210251 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1234210259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you know when you draw a long line in life < 1234210259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what did the time evolution look like < 1234210260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sort of < 1234210261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flickers < 1234210263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outwards < 1234210265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gets shorter? < 1234210270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that causes it < 1234210275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really sounds like you're on acid, you realize < 1234210279 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it just a single long line? < 1234210281 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wavering, etc? < 1234210288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, wavering < 1234210291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme screeny < 1234210333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://xs536.xs.to/xs536/09071/picture_2491.png not all of it, but most of it < 1234210342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs536.xs.to/xs536/09071/picture_3360.png in progress < 1234210346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1234210352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1234210358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imma run this in netlogo and see < 1234210361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it _cannot_ have been a single long line because it's not symmetric enough < 1234210375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234210378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I have the .rle < 1234210379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1234210384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language? < 1234210388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rle < 1234210390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game of life file < 1234210393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use with golly or w/e < 1234210405 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. ill just run it in net logo, no worries < 1234210428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that isn;t the whole thing < 1234210434 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-121.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what more is there < 1234210444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, i reproduced it < 1234210451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems you just have to make an imprecise line quite long < 1234210457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it collapses into that < 1234210460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1234210462 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat66.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made a huge line < 1234210477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes a huge pattern < 1234210483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear it's sierpinski < 1234210490 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fractal, at least, no question < 1234210556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it even builds it in a fractal way < 1234210565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one huge line decays to lots of separate huge lines < 1234210572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which keep reducing into more, leaving behind that pattern as a trail < 1234210579 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh. netlogo is too slow for this < 1234210587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah try golly < 1234210605 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... got a screenshot? < 1234210631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1234210633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the links above < 1234210644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234210645 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234210665 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210665 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1234210702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing? < 1234210708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other half of the line becomes a mirror of the below < 1234210710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a diamond < 1234210711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1234210714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top one is chaotic < 1234210848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long a line did you have to make?? < 1234210882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: go to one pixel per square < 1234210886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then click and drag down < 1234210888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for about 15 seconds < 1234210890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave go, start < 1234210896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhh ok so REALLY long < 1234210905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like 2,000 to 5,000 squares < 1234210921 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ruleset? Regular GoL? < 1234210937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1234210945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: just did it on a perfectly straight line 100 squares long < 1234210947 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular KoL < 1234210949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked < 1234210967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have discovered a new field of mathematics! The Fields medal will surely be yours. < 1234210980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: stfu, this is just fun. < 1234210985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh VERY interesting < 1234211001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you CAN build a sierpinski triangle < 1234211011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1234211014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make a long straight line and bam < 1234211021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its build out of the noise < 1234211029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1234211035 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1234211036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because the "noise" is actually long straight lines < 1234211047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they duplicate themselves, then get less tall < 1234211055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it replicates doing that, until they destroy themselves by being 0 tall < 1234211130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so it IS a sierpinski triangle, you admit :P < 1234211138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the one you showed < 1234211142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can get it, yes < 1234211146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, how < 1234211146 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing special! any fool could have done that! < 1234211228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. not _any_ fool. < 1234211247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who don't manage to use computers, after all. < 1234211258 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't fools. < 1234211268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean how, ehird? < 1234211275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get a sierpinski. < 1234211284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly straight lines. < 1234211287 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-199.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1234211288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY long < 1234211294 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 cells high < 1234211297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce the same shape as mine :P < 1234211302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1234211307 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is not sierpinski < 1234211322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither are the perfectly straight lines < 1234211331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mine they are o.o < 1234211363 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont get the same randomness you get < 1234211372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get very clean, double ended growth < 1234211382 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if im not using Life < 1234211397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a double ended growth, consult a doctor asap < 1234211403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234211419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: screenshot < 1234211430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1234211435 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me evolve my 10k high one < 1234211472 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1234211948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uploading now < 1234211983 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net//transfers/Golly1.png < 1234211984 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net//transfers/Golly2.png < 1234212026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on crack < 1234212030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that totally does not happen to a straight line < 1234212043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because I've tested < 1234212065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1234212066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did it < 1234212088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crack. < 1234212089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a perfectly straight line < 1234212094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill send you the file, ok? < 1234212153 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net//transfers/Sierpinski.rle < 1234212162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh! No page! < 1234212165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1234212166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1234212174 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234212174 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234212175 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234212175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234212176 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1234212186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid mac os with its inconsistent extension usage < 1234212231 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212231 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212242 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1234212243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplit D: < 1234212249 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spletnit < 1234212259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tintelps < 1234212280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you have a // too much < 1234212296 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1234212301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that link < 1234212309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?? < 1234212312 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1234212313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1234212325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever :p < 1234212337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not like it hurts it :P < 1234212346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see ehird? < 1234212349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it DOEs produce that < 1234212369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads < 1234212371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh DEER < 1234212379 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh REINDEER < 1234212388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know an adorable reindeerboy < 1234212397 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes so cute <3 < 1234212398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1234212417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with antlers? < 1234212433 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm yeah. < 1234212453 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, he does the whole babyfur thing which is weird but whatever < 1234212474 0 :ski____!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212479 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234212505 0 :ski____!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ski__ < 1234212591 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to figure out what currying is if I'm writing an Unlambda interpreter? < 1234212597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: no < 1234212599 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1234212603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to write an Unlambda program < 1234212608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: but why not learn what it is anyway? < 1234212613 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good :-) < 1234212615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find s and k confusing to implement if you don't know what it is, though < 1234212616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not all that complicated. < 1234212624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, what is `si? < 1234212624 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@h4.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you're right < 1234212652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces a chaotic sierpinski with debris < 1234212660 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure yet. < 1234212661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what yours was < 1234212662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debrinski < 1234212666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like yours tho < 1234212668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hahaha < 1234212669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 1 million population it takes about 100 million iterations :D < 1234212671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: just make it smaller < 1234212674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 1000 < 1234212681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do tho and i still get that < 1234212685 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower half of the picture doesn't look exactly like sierpinski, but related < 1234212692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never get the randomness that you get < 1234212693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: psygnisfive found a real sirpinski < 1234212697 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been through my bookshelf and pulled off all the books with a section on combinatorial calculus. Now I'm going to read through them < 1234212701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i love how it turns into a still life, yours < 1234212708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's an actual surname :) < 1234212708 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : "found" meaning ? < 1234212708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do i get the doublesirpinski in yours < 1234212709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so carefully placed little life cells < 1234212712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: made < 1234212714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debrinski? < 1234212717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234212721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz. < 1234212726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently lulz is also a real surname < 1234212727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1234212728 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1234212743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least psygnisfive isn't. i hope. < 1234212751 0 :seveninchbread!n=seveninc@h4.28.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212752 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(psygnisfive : link ?) < 1234212776 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres some tombstone somewhere with a mr and ms lulz < 1234212803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously its close to schulz than lulls but. < 1234212804 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers writing sierpinski programs on his Casio .. < 1234212863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1234212864 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nice way is starting with a pixel square with length a power of two < 1234212868 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1234212879 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear all the pixels < 1234212881 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234212881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1234212885 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initialize the leftmost uppermost pixel to on < 1234212937 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, for each subsequent line, turn on a pixel if and only if exactly one of the pixel just above, and the pixel left to the one just above is turned on < 1234212998 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(treating out-of-bounds access to the left of the first column as unset .. or initialize the first column, if preferred) < 1234213020 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*....... < 1234213024 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**...... < 1234213035 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.*..... < 1234213037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i still want to know where yours comes from < 1234213046 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****.... < 1234213052 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*...*... < 1234213059 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**..**.. < 1234213065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: a cellular automaton < 1234213073 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.*.*.*. < 1234213077 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :******** < 1234213080 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et.c. < 1234213084 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you will < 1234213100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor ? < 1234213105 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234213105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1234213108 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes .. aka modulo 2 < 1234213118 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly you could define this as an infinite stream of infinite streams, too) < 1234213130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also n over k modulo 2 < 1234213137 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one can try with modulo 3, et.c. too) < 1234213156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the modulo result of pascal's triangle < 1234213170 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1234213190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess calculating n over k first is not efficient if you are going to calculate the whole square anyhow < 1234213218 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's better to do modular arithmetic the whole way < 1234213296 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried once with random-walks with affine transforms, too .. but for some reason i got a strange system of line fragments instead of sierpinski, though < 1234213324 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or that might have been an attempt to generate van Kochs curve, now that i think of it) < 1234213356 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell happened a few minutes ago? < 1234213364 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplit < 1234213387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*von koch < 1234213395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was swedish, apparently < 1234213442 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be .. his first name was `Helge' in any case < 1234213462 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1234213480 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kommer inte ihåg att han läst att von Koch skulle vara svensk, dock < 1234213507 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tr.im/xep :-)" < 1234213511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says so < 1234213521 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. then it must be true < 1234213525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234213543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually lists some of his ancestors < 1234213560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helge_von_Koch < 1234213588 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks `von Koch' sounds deutsch, though (or Niederlands, if it was `van') < 1234213612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1234213626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobles always have pretentious names < 1234213680 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.. hm, does `Koch' mean `cook' ?) < 1234213720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_(surname) < 1234213724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says yes < 1234213773 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels too tired to use a browser himself, atm .. < 1234213792 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(been reading too much blogs today) < 1234213840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234213840 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234213841 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1234213872 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234213872 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1234214738 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1234215903 0 :seveninchbread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1234215980 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1234216561 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1234217355 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1234218688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1234219412 0 :DarkPants!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1234219496 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1234219500 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1234219584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are they really dark, or just smudged? < 1234219747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IWC < 1234219752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I meant hi < 1234219776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are not beating around the bush < 1234219783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1234219794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stole that from the forums, actually < 1234219848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wondered if it could be a triffid?" <-- from forum. Wth is a "triffid"? < 1234219891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^ < 1234219892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids < 1234219934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: walking plant in a famous fictional novel < 1234219980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1234219980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was playing as a series on the radio when my dad built his new house in the 80's. since then i think of them every time i smell sawdust... < 1234219988 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the novel isn't fictional < 1234219996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it describes fictional events < 1234220005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the novel itself exists, ofc < 1234220070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I have watched way too much Star Trek... I thought of "tribbles" first... < 1234220072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1234220332 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1234220491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun "Wait a second, those bubbles are green? They're the same color as the rest of the site, cyan-ish." < 1234220499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After carrying 108lbs of Moxie 800ft, nothing is more refreshing than a crisp, delicious Moxie :P < 1234220507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either broken colour, or someone just finding out he/she is colour blind < 1234220559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i guess some kinds of work are _nearly_ their own reward < 1234220580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, 108lbs? what is that in metric units? < 1234220585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i wondered about that comment too... < 1234220623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sqrt(-garfied) was rather boring today < 1234220636 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ~50kg < 1234220638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I need to find an abbreviation for it < 1234220643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In three packages :P ) < 1234220652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like smg? < 1234220653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1234220664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRoMG? < 1234220686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^ < 1234220689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/-g < 1234220704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you need a shorter \ < 1234220709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet unicode has it < 1234220719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are the unicode expert of the channel! < 1234220721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1234220740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only offer is a Unicode snowman. ☃ < 1234220746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1234220749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1234220756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃/-g < 1234220759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't cut it < 1234220762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so i have no idea how i would write it on irc < 1234220770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just call it ☃. < 1234220791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your funny question marks < 1234220802 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a Unicode snowman, that's fuzz followed by inverse-colored XC. < 1234220813 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my IRC client is really, really unhappy. < 1234220817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, yes < 1234220829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both you and oerjan need to fix your clients < 1234220834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|/-g < 1234220844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for xchat: /chaset UTF-8 < 1234220848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about other clients < 1234220855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERC seems to work out of box < 1234220856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just go to the logs when i want to see unicode < 1234220858 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is irssi via screen via PuTTY. < 1234220869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, probably out of luck < 1234220871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: same here, except for the screen < 1234220878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ < 1234220884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In glorious 4000% font size. < 1234220889 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for many Unicode things, but not all. < 1234220913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish http://idunnolol.com/ was free so I could put a huge ¯\(°_o)/¯ on it < 1234220944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who on earth registers a domain like http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ just for that...l < 1234220950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l$// < 1234220960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :domains are like $5/year < 1234220961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, åäö < 1234220974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up unicodesnowmanforyou.com probably took like 15 minutes, total < 1234220977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it's amusing. < 1234220979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1234220997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what commitee meeting ended up with that being in unicode < 1234221000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have seen way more expensive domains too < 1234221001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably was in some older charset < 1234221008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably < 1234221016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet font makers have fun < 1234221022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was probably snowing outside? < 1234221023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after drawing 5 bajillion boring characters < 1234221025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOWMAN TIME < 1234221028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what area is it in? < 1234221034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno < 1234221040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it has its own area < 1234221043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOWMAN < 1234221045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Snowman < 1234221047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1234221050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category should be SNOWMEN. < 1234221055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably "SIGNS" or such < 1234221060 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aao, ring umlaut umlaut. < 1234221070 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that sounds about right, it displayed correctly. < 1234221073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, "aao"? < 1234221075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://☃.com/ is actually squatted < 1234221078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (snowman).com < 1234221082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, ah < 1234221108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get ☃.org < 1234221110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@☃.org < 1234221118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1234221118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Email elliott at snowman dot org" < 1234221124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1234221125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.☃.net/ < 1234221129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unicodesnowmanforyou.com < 1234221132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except do you get snowman.org too? < 1234221139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. :P < 1234221154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc you get aao variants for åäö for *.se < 1234221161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ooh, maybe I'll buy (unicode symbol for _|_).com < 1234221164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will load forever < 1234221178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the unicode symbol for_|_? < 1234221178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_|_ = bottom = "undefined" = infinite loop in functional language terminology) < 1234221193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it's a horizontal line with a vertical line sticking from the middle < 1234221199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it looks like a rude sign? < 1234221204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that exists in unicode < 1234221204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1234221206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a penis and an upside down T. < 1234221219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it looks like a rude sign with a finger < 1234221229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night < 1234221234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really doesn't < 1234221235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, here it is: < 1234221251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1234221255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1234221264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it < 1234221293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here 'tis: < 1234221301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1234221305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ⊥ < 1234221309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh line art? < 1234221313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1234221320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the name for it? < 1234221335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. < 1234221358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1234221368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pitty klingon got rejected < 1234221371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now night < 1234221526 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1234223526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "Announcement: AI Has Been Solved " http://www.advogato.org/article/832.html http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html < 1234223553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, for Unicode? That was because of a lack of works in it. < 1234223665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will probably be reconsidered, what with such works as /ghIlghameS/ and /The Tragedy of Khamelet, Son of the Emperor of Qo'nos/. < 1234223674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html achieved True AI functionality on 22 January 2008. " < 1234223678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love kooks. < 1234223809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the haskell underload interpreter in http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vypk/implementation_of_underload_an_esoteric/ is broken, doesn't handle nested parentheses < 1234223836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentions in case someone who actually has a reddit account wants to point it out < 1234223841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1234223847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people who try and do esolangs are idiots < 1234223860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but it is close otherwise < 1234223867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1234223871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is trivial