"MKRY" (0x4d4b5259)

a funge-98 fingerprint by tusho

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would do < 1231944346 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For language that can express P, you probably just need to prohibit backward jumps and superlinear looping... < 1231944365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was basically that < 1231944381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead of prohibiting superlinear looping, to prohibit super-Ackermann looping < 1231944436 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How you prohibit super-Ackermann looping? Something to do with primitive recursion? < 1231944462 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "super ackermann looping"? < 1231944464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, much more boring than that, I was planning to just make the programmer use the Ackermann function to calculate the number of iterations < 1231944508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it's a loop which goes more times than an any Ackermann function whose arguments are the amount of input, and constants < 1231944517 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or having loop construct where loop bound is A(m.n), where m needs to be fixed? < 1231944531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1231944552 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, probably no need to fix m. Its finite anyway... < 1231944595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you could just put the Ackermann function in the standard library, use bignums, and require the programmer to specify the number of iterations of a loop in advance < 1231944610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the Ackermann function in the stdlib to be able to do that, or you can't implement the Ackermann function itself < 1231944685 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231944689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be a hypocrite: < 1231944693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES QT IS NOW UNDER THE LGPL < 1231944695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1231944705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why is that better than what they had before? < 1231944717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was either GPL or shell out money to them for a commercial license < 1231944721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wasn't < 1231944725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like MIT < 1231944735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the QPL is viral too, iirc < 1231944738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a special exception allowing it to link with < 1231944745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1231944746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BSD was definitely one of them < 1231944752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT? < 1231944775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, I didn't know that. But now it's obvious, and commercial apps can use it freely too. Which is nice. < 1231944809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition: < 1231944809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Qt source code repositories will be made publicly available and will encourage contributions from desktop and embedded developer communities. < 1231944811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Service offerings for Qt will be expanded to ensure that all Qt development projects can have access to the same levels of support, independent of the selected license. < 1231944814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1231944816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, hypocrite over -> < 1231944818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231944853 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one could make language expressing most useful classes by allowing bounding loops by input fields... < 1231944866 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just input field sizes. < 1231944901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, trolltech's own page on Qt licensing is currently a 404 < 1231944907 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231944913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN DID TROLLTECH RENAME TO QT SOFTWARE < 1231944915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231944922 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231944924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, september < 1231944926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30th < 1231944927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231944960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's a linear bounded automaton, isn't it? < 1231944971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, only if the input's in unary < 1231945022 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would allow expressing all E+TIME classes... < 1231945036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you're a lot more technical than me on these matters < 1231945255 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: Primality-checking arbitiary large numbers doesn't need loop superlinear in input size... :-) < 1231945267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it does need an infinite amount of memory < 1231945336 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of loops superlinear in input size impiles bound on memory usage. < 1231945352 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Growing with input size, of course. < 1231945353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if there's a bound on the input < 1231945370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I think I was trying to get at < 1231945393 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbounded amount of memory is not the same thing as infinite amount of memory. < 1231945412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they come to the same thing from the programmer's point of view, though < 1231945418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, there's no way to tell them apart that I know of < 1231945630 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that proving that some program can only use unbounded amount of memory is in AH-PI-2 (harder than halting problem). < 1231945704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's more than one uncomputable computational class, but I don't know the names of any in particular < 1231945730 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they just greek letters with superscripts? < 1231945747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's quite a difference between proving the program halts, and requiring the programmer to give a proof the program halts < 1231945747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second can be done in the syntax of a langauge < 1231945755 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH-PI-2 is class of problems that are in co-RE if halting oracle is available. < 1231945775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it a halting oracle for? TC languages? < 1231945782 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1231945812 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1231945843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1231945850 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1231945866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people I don't recognise seem to have been turning up in #esoteric recently < 1231945874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can only be a good thing, probably < 1231945888 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've been lurking that esolang wiki for about half a year < 1231945894 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting stuff, really < 1231945898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1231945918 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should see EsCo, too < 1231945921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not all the langs are all that good, there are some real gems in there < 1231945921 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awesome. < 1231945925 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all love it. < 1231945933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: which one was EsCo again? And do I sense sarcasm? < 1231945960 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsCo was the Esoteric Compiler < 1231945974 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For such diverse languages as Brainfuck, Spoon and Ook. < 1231945976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was that one that someone spammed to esolang < 1231945991 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the next bold move is an esme compiler. < 1231945998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mention esme, please < 1231946013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hope, deep down, it was a trolling attempt < 1231946017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no other logical explanation < 1231946022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, that makes it very esoteric, I suppose < 1231946074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esco's apparently an interp, not a compiler < 1231946102 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical names 'r' us? < 1231946120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... it claims BF, Ook!, Spoon, HQ9+, Whitespace, Byter, and Befunge-93 < 1231946135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that bad a selection, although there are no "hard" esolangs there < 1231946149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's apparently an abbreviation for "EsotericCombined" < 1231946150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "hard" esolang? < 1231946158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: one that's hard to interpret/compile < 1231946168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say Unlambda and INTERCAL are two good examples < 1231946170 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the ANDREI MACHINE 9000? :o < 1231946180 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1231946199 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda should be easily doable in a functional languages. < 1231946202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not counting langs like TwoDucks which are theoretically impossible to interpret, of course < 1231946207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: the problem in functional languages is d < 1231946211 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still don't know what continuation is. < 1231946212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think I've worked out a way around that < 1231946218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is hard if you don't have call/cc already < 1231946229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think Unlambda -> Underlambda is doable < 1231946234 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1231946251 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or esolang that needs full-blown implmentation of CYK for execution? < 1231946256 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYK? < 1231946264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked out the trick for d -> pure-functional a while back < 1231946271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but deleted my notes on it, and the compiler I wrote, by mistake < 1231946277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haven't reconstructed them yet < 1231946279 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's the theoretical machine behind INTERCAL again? < 1231946286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: I'm not sure if it has a name < 1231946298 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where does it store informations < 1231946299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL compiles to bytecode called ICBM that's specifically designed for INTERCAL < 1231946304 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithm to decide uniform language recognization for context-free grammars in polynomial time. < 1231946315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas C-INTERCAL compiles to C < 1231946319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and from there to native code) < 1231946355 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, given string x and context-free grammar L, it can decide wheiher x is in L in polynomial time. < 1231946395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most esolangs don't care about computational complexity < 1231946406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, most practical langs don't < 1231946409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be nice to create one that did < 1231946410 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all about the model, not the speed! < 1231946424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not always < 1231946432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge is a nice counterexample < 1231946445 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much of funge languages < 1231946449 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231946451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://philosecurity.org/2009/01/12/interview-with-an-adware-author < 1231946452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it's nothing to do with the lang, just the interp < 1231946455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocrite -> < 1231946456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231946471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interp is specifically designed for speed < 1231946488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you're having fun with esolangs, you may as well set extra challenges < 1231946494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like writing the world's fastest funge interp < 1231946510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then fizzie went and invented jitfunge, just for even more crazy-speed funge fun) < 1231946628 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231946630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:12:40 EsCo was the Esoteric Compiler < 1231946632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric _combine_ < 1231946638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were naive interpreters < 1231946639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231946672 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine? < 1231946682 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they shoot you with lasguns? < 1231946697 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231946702 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:24:20] Combine? < 1231946702 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:24:30] Do they shoot you with lasguns? < 1231946704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was that the interpreters were COMBINED together. < 1231946707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revolutionary -> < 1231946707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231946783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/license-gpl-exceptions.html is the list of licences that pre-LGPL Qt could be linked with < 1231946785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT is on there < 1231946853 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231946855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: In your professional opinion, how can people avoid adware? < 1231946856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M: Um, run UNIX. < 1231946858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: [ laughs] < 1231946860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M: We did actually get the ad client working under Wine on Linux. < 1231946862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: That seems like a bit of a stretch! < 1231946864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M: That was a pretty limited market, I’d say. < 1231946865 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that dude was writing in scheme, he can't be all bad. < 1231946866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- that interview linked above < 1231946868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1231946869 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1231946870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231946874 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop leaving like that < 1231946889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we just set the channel to allow message from outside? < 1231946896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, ehird wouldn't have to join and part again to send messages < 1231946908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, ehird is obviously reading the logs, so just joining the channel would be easier < 1231947034 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop being the scourge of the world < 1231947414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm was afk, what is the argument about? < 1231947430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no actual argument; just ehird keeps joining, saying stuff, and parting again < 1231947454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? < 1231947466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real idea < 1231947475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1231947532 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he is the scourge of the earth. < 1231947545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also funge is not that easy to make fast, I mean 2D sparse array < 1231947556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear address space is much simpler < 1231947565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231947596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however that reminds me of a wild idea, I don't know if me or Deewiant had it first, anyway it happened when trying to understand what ehird meant with an idea for another fingerprint < 1231947605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paged memory in fungespace < 1231947611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can mmap a file into an area < 1231947633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, add in some buzz words like DMA to non-funge world and such < 1231947648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMA and funge? < 1231947655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1231947663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it would slow down normal operation because you would need to check if the coords would be into an mmaped area < 1231947686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the file would need to be a raw file, couldn't care about stuff like newlines < 1231947688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you focusing specifically on optimising fingerprints? or just on optimising core funge? < 1231947709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this idea? neither, because it would slow down normal operation < 1231947718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably isn't sane < 1231947732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I wouldn't want to spec it, just an idea I had < 1231947733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's sane /enough/ < 1231947771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, how would you avoid the overhead of checking a list of mappings to see if the access would be inside a mmaped() area in funge space on every funge space access < 1231947802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd only need to do it for p and g unless the IP went into the area < 1231947808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd only need to do it if the fingerprint had been loaded < 1231947820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well other instructions that access too, lots of them in fingerprints < 1231947823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I/O < 1231947825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1231947830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1231947831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i/o < 1231947863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but then you would need to check each time the IP moves to see if it is inside such an area < 1231947872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sure you could gain much < 1231947879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not each time the IP moved < 1231947883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1231947886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just at every delta-changing or jumping instruction < 1231947895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can project the IP's path the rest of the time < 1231947915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this would be one thing that is easier in a JIT I believe < 1231947932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, JITs need to do that anyway < 1231947942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1231947968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you can't do it in a non-JIT < 1231947983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231948059 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1231948232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sucks < 1231948232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1231948236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being tired. < 1231948283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people. < 1231948285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything < 1231948293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh? < 1231948332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably do some algebra < 1231948359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x - 3 = 0 < 1231948362 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLVE < 1231948387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=3 < 1231948410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i don't have the time for your incredible puzzles right now. < 1231948433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: (x-3) is not an lvalue < 1231948439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231948460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, postgres has an async SQL interface as well as a sync one < 1231948462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1231948469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the fingerprint) < 1231948470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooo < 1231948550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkkkkkkkkk < 1231948581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeee < 1231948629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyyyyyyyy < 1231948652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay not even matched count < 1231948720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, ehird uses a variable width font, he probably didn't see that we all used same length of the lines < 1231948731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don' tuse a variable width font < 1231948732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you didn't < 1231948735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54 oooooooooooo < 1231948735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55 kkkkkkkkkkkk < 1231948736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:56 eeeeeeeeeeee < 1231948738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :account for nicks, bums < 1231948743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1231948756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, some clients right-justify nicks < 1231948763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I right-align nicks to column 12 or so < 1231948782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches to a variable-width font
< 1231948794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious. < 1231948815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I actually spent the effort counting oklopol's os < 1231948820 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1231948843 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variable-with fonts and some versions of xterm don't mix (the results look hideous)... < 1231948843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just copied, went to start, pressed Insert key to enter overwriting mode and pressed e until the end :P < 1231948855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I don't use a console IRC client. < 1231948855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's cheating < 1231948864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have a GUI environment :P < 1231948867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this client doesn't have the insert/overwrite toggling < 1231948867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no that is solving it in the simplest possible way < 1231948878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that is cheating < 1231948887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nothing prevents you right-justifying nicks in a GUI environment... < 1231948896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fail < 1231948896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:00 Variable-with fonts and some versions of xterm don't mix (the results look hideous)... < 1231948923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, miseed the context < 1231948927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, I'm using a GUI client on the bouncer atm, well two clients in fact < 1231948936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was trying out conspire
< 1231948947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like "a slightly less sucking xchat" < 1231948966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an xchat fork. < 1231948995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know < 1231949006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using futura. I feel FUTURAstic. < 1231949018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I much prefer ERC over conspire < 1231949039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, I prefer trying stuff before I dismiss them. :) < 1231949055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optima looks weird. < 1231949064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that a font? < 1231949068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeface. < 1231949076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO FROM ZAPFINO < 1231949080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does font differ from typeface? < 1231949103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A font is the computerized representation of one variation (regular, bold etc) of a typeface. < 1231949117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, the metal-ized representation, if you're oldsk00l. < 1231949143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes, my old pal Gutenberg liked that a lot < 1231949170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You knew Johannes Gutenberg? < 1231949171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oldsk00l < 1231949180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ~ < 1231949189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAPYRUS! Next up: COMIC SANS! < 1231949194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1231949205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMIC SANS MS! The OFFICIAL FONT of #ESOTERIC! < 1231949210 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1231949210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1231949213 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1231949232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about that MS chat thingy < 1231949236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would be even worse < 1231949243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code2000! < 1231949257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean using it, in comics mode < 1231949269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ignoring you :D < 1231949275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I would hate it < 1231949298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's great < 1231949304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Chat is the best irc client eve < 1231949305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1231949339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm quite sure you forgot the ~ < 1231949350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231949351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very serious < 1231949480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YouTube Now Mutes Videos With Unauthorized Copyrighted Music" < 1231949481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollllllll < 1231949481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2009/01/14/youtube-mutes-videos/ < 1231949509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1231949533 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay < 1231949553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1231949663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way is it muted? < 1231949682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just in the GUI or in the actual file? < 1231949689 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno < 1231949693 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go and find out! < 1231949698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it forces the mute in the gui < 1231949699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the file < 1231949754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems to be in the file, I just tried with youtube-dl to get the .flv < 1231949760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of one of the examples < 1231949762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that makes more sense :P < 1231949796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true < 1231950701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about quoting, what about S = Escape string for query < 1231950708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc several DB interfaces has such < 1231950719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no no no < 1231950728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do escaping then inserting strings, that way injections lie < 1231950729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok prepared is better yes < 1231950734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use parametrised queries, or prepared statements < 1231950762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well at least sqlite only allow parametrised queries with prepared statements iirc < 1231950777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a while since I last used that API < 1231950986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm reading up on three DBs when making this interface: PostgreSQL, SQLite and MySQL. To make sure it is reasonably portable < 1231951010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know any other open source SQL database that may be of interest, tell me < 1231951038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and before anyone ask: why open source only?: I don't plan to pay for oracle to make sure it is compatible) < 1231951045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle has a free edition. < 1231951063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it needs like 4gb of ram though. < 1231951072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have 1.5 in this system < 1231951076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tough luck < 1231951081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an exaggeration < 1231951106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway from what I heard oracle is quite similar to postgres in many aspects < 1231951131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle is pretty terrible from what i've seen. < 1231951147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1231951200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you can do simple stuff like: query, get row at a time, start/end/roll back transactions, connect/disconnect, get error code/message related to last error it should be fine < 1231951229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what interest me more is how to integrate the postgresql async interface easily < 1231951232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool < 1231951238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is so boring < 1231951250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everything isn't about you all the time < 1231951279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ironic < 1231951393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrr fuck people who talk about useless use of cat. < 1231951401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bloody unix pipeline. it makes sense like that. < 1231951421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well doing cat foo | grep bar makes no sense < 1231951424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep bar foo < 1231951426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes much more sense < 1231951426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1231951428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill yourself < 1231951434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1231951435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect effing sense < 1231951440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1231951446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, why doesn't it? < 1231951451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're catting the file, then grepping that < 1231951456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read unix pipelines left to right < 1231951461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes _perfect_ sense < 1231951461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping a file makes more sense < 1231951464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1231951471 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1231951477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "can not create process: limit exceeded" < 1231951481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes a lot of sense too < 1231951489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because that cat is going to linger there forever < 1231951492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only run 5 processes < 1231951493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total < 1231951497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before your machine crashes < 1231951498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel for you < 1231951509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because you can hit the limit on a lot of shell servers quickly < 1231951511 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1231951526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. adding an extra cat to a pipeline will be _fatal_ < 1231951544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sometimes it will break stuff yes. Like I described < 1231951545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: are you AnMaster, or do we have two Arvids on this channel? < 1231951554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, two people < 1231951555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uh huh. sure. < 1231951560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we established that yesterday < 1231952387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people on the Tubes must chip in and make an alternative to You Tube, it's not that expensive. The company must be based somewhere outside USA and it should be owned by at least 1 Mil guys so it will be never sold to any big company. < 1231952389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1231952426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'd have to make a distributed version, somehow < 1231952437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ais523 i ask you one thing < 1231952444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 million's about the population of Birmingham, so it seems a bit excessive < 1231952444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i quote someone stupid for no particular reason < 1231952448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop responding seriously < 1231952461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in that case, you've missed the joke < 1231952473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more that the joke is turning me into a gibbering wreck < 1231952976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, zzo38 doesn't get open source < 1231952977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the new files added to Vonkeror are now licensed by GNU GPL v3 or < 1231952978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later version (it is permitted because the LGPL v2.1 permits it). I am < 1231952980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a exception: Anyone who is making Conkeror software may relicense < 1231952982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the Conkeror license, in order to be added into Conkeror. Anyone < 1231952984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can remove this exception from your own copy of the codes if they want < 1231952986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to, but it is not required to remove this exception. However, this < 1231952988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception only grants additional permission to the workers of Conkeror. < 1231952990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: vaguest shit ever < 1231952992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is a worker of conkeror < 1231953019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1* Select odd/even row of tables using [_even] and [_odd] CSS selectors < 1231953020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly legit to make a GPL3 fork of an LGPL2.1+ project < 1231953024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that is generally sensible < 1231953025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: zzo38 is microsoft 2.0 < 1231953033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean the relicensing clause < 1231953050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/vonkeror/screenshots/screenshot_001.png Impressively ugly. < 1231953065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that sort of thing is relatively common, just worded better < 1231953073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: conkeror is OPEN SOURCE < 1231953074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it reminds me of the actually correct version of the wording < 1231953076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is a "worker" of it < 1231953080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no people actually "in" conkeror < 1231953086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, I know < 1231953091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's with who the exception is given to < 1231953101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but legally speaking, it can be given to any set of people and the licence still works < 1231953128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean the reclicensing works < 1231953145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tax bracket system should work differently, which is that for example if $0.01 to $200.00 is 0% and $200.01 to $400.00 is 10% and if you earn $300.00 then you should pay $10.00 in taxes, not $30.00 (note that my numbers are just examples, these actual numbers are stupid but the idea has to do with how the calculations are done, not the actual rates used) < 1231953147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that is unclear. But maybe if I write it in Javascript then it will be easier to understand? Or maybe not. I will write in Javascript anyways. < 1231953158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is like a troll minus the troll < 1231953170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's impossible to understand and often slightly clueless, except minus the frustration < 1231953177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's just writing on his blog nowadays so he isn't even talking to anyon < 1231953177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1231954419 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1231954663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : when i quote someone stupid for no particular reason please stop responding seriously <-- you aren't that nice when I do it... < 1231954680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does it less often. < 1231954734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point ehird < 1231954756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I respond seriously only when it's actually funny < 1231954772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when, in this case, I don't think the comment is as stupid as you think it is (yet, of course, still stupid) < 1231954889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder where chris pressey works < 1231954903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be surprised if he somehow makes money out of cats eye, due to the expanse of http://catseye.tc/projects/ < 1231955165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1231955166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Established by Chris Pressey in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, and now located in Vancouver, British Columbia, Cat's Eye Technologies has provided custom software development and consulting services since 1995. Our clients have included Manitoba Health, Star Building Materials, Morrison Homes, and Samkoma.com. < 1231955190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty amazing that a genuine company has a whole esolang win < 1231955192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wing < 1231955200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially one so famous < 1231955250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just one guy :P < 1231955264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does freelancing work. and happens to have an esolang hobby. < 1231955356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/about/php.html < 1231955370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last paragraph is priceless < 1231955381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it's a real error < 1231955438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perl is what happens when you play Katamari Damacy with the Unix toolchain. This condition has been less gracefully described, by others, as "being a steaming heap." " < 1231955440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/about/perl.html < 1231955441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know it's a real error? < 1231955446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the source code < 1231955451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linebreak and everything < 1231955454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is exactly the same < 1231955454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it linked from the page? < 1231955468 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it wasn't line 404 < 1231955478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the idea of playing Katamari Damacy with the UNIX toolchain, though < 1231955478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1231955480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/internal/directory/structure/home/website/include/oh_drat.php < 1231955483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obviously fake < 1231955488 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Propably < 1231955491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess he caused a php error < 1231955493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then copied the code < 1231955500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modified it < 1231955507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd say Unlambda and INTERCAL are two good examples < 1231955518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of esolangs which are hard to compile/interpret < 1231955523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is easy if you think in terms of graph rewriting < 1231955524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to BF, which is easy < 1231955540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose rewriting langs would be good at d < 1231955543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good are they at c? < 1231955552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, actually writing a graph rewriting lang in the first place is nontrivial < 1231955559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use CPS style, of course < 1231955561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write an unlambda->efficient c compiler < 1231955569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't self-modifying is it? < 1231955574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not exactly < 1231955581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but d makes it self-resemanticising < 1231955609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just track d tags and pass thunks to d-tainted functions? < 1231955615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be efficient on non-D using code < 1231955624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm sure there are tricks that work < 1231955626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nontrivial < 1231955641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for c, if you're using CPS you need to do garbage collection of continuations somehow < 1231955657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheney on the mta < 1231955660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually by graph rewriting i mean little more than ML/haskell style ADTs with pattern matching < 1231955666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/CheneyMTA.html < 1231955666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1231955673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what I was thinking of too < 1231955674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you convert to cps < 1231955675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you allocate everything on the stack < 1231955678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you use regular c function calls < 1231955681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1231955682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally use Thutu for that sort of thing < 1231955682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to gc < 1231955685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do a longjmp < 1231955689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even more fun, recursive Perl regexen < 1231955691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clear the cstack < 1231955691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, the point is the continuations can _also_ be done as such structures < 1231955692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c stack < 1231955705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a generational garbage collector that's really insanely fast beacuse you just call c functions and allocate on the stack < 1231955713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of art < 1231955728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get efficient allocation, function calls, continuations and GC, almost for free. < 1231955770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it depends on longjmp/alloca < 1231955774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231955780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably using alloca precisely because it plays well with longjmp < 1231955781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't depend on alloca inherently < 1231955786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most of the time you want to use it < 1231955789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their example doesn't < 1231955791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how it handles dynamic-size data < 1231955792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is _all_ stack-allocated < 1231955797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alloca is stack allocation < 1231955805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop talking to me like I don't know C < 1231955806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read their example program < 1231955808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could use VLAs, but VLA + longjmp = madness < 1231955819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/cboyer13.c < 1231955822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep for alloca( < 1231955864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably it just doesn't have any dynamic-sized data structures, so doesn't need it < 1231955870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1231955873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for VLAs. < 1231955874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1231955875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, its madness < 1231955878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd work no < 1231955878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1231955902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, alloca would be about as well-supported, easier to code, and more sane. < 1231955916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain that longjmp + VLA is guaranteed to do anything in particular < 1231956049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to write some perl
< 1231956075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda-compiling perl to be specific < 1231956129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what i'm going to do to be esoteric < 1231956142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS? < 1231956147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's esoteric in Perl < 1231956168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1231956177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write my own object system. < 1231956242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231956263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the bundled perl interpreter in the unlambda distribution was rather slow < 1231956275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, my INTERCAL interpreter was faster than it :D < 1231956279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1231956283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will compile unl to semi-efficient c < 1231956338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh dear < 1231956352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, C-INTERCAL is designed to be not inherently slow < 1231956359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like cfunge-fast < 1231956364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as in, it won't deliberately slow you down < 1231956373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't give a runtime penalty for features you aren't using < 1231956393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a C++ mantra < 1231956395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 isn't nearly shocked enough :( < 1231956424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, C++ is like that too < 1231956434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand, other langs do give a penalty for features you aren't using < 1231956438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we had to choose one or the other < 1231956465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's an excuse, the perl interpreter was a debugger too < 1231956475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't really an excuse < 1231956481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debuggers shouldn't give much of a runtime penalty either < 1231956487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, even yuk doesn't slow programs down much < 1231956514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's a huge bug in the C-INTERCAL profiler atm < 1231956515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the perl prototype that makes the {...} passed to the function be a sub {...}? < 1231956565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& < 1231956570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1231956571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you're messing with prototypes? < 1231956573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1231956576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1231956577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's eso from the start < 1231956583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it uses prototypes to implement a prototypical object system < 1231956584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1231956677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you make an anonymous sub run in a certain scope? < 1231956681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., inject variables into it and stuff < 1231956706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1231956713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how :D < 1231956714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the sub doesn't try to declare the variables itself < 1231956742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make sure the variables haven't been lexically scoped when the anon sub has been declared < 1231956758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to be lexical inside the scope of the anon sub < 1231956761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mustn't be inside a my at any level, you have to be aiming at the globals when the sub was declared < 1231956768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you use local inside the block that calls the sub < 1231956771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via eval if necessary < 1231956793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, actually I'll just do it like the rest of perl's oo system < 1231956796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use local anywhere without interfering with this, it was deprecated in favour of my because my was saner < 1231956812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but local, being insaner, is better for implementing that sort of insane scheme < 1231956820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $Rectangle = $Object->clone { < 1231956821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sub cloned { < 1231956822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($self, $w, $h) = @_; < 1231956824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $self->width = $w; $self->height = $h; < 1231956826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $self; < 1231956828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1231956830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1231956848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to get that to run < 1231956867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, first line should be < 1231956868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $Rectangle = $Object->clone->do { < 1231956880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember the last time they saw a perl variable that started with a capital letter
< 1231956884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, that just Doesn't Happen < 1231956896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1231956920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1231956925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does #include "__FILE__" work in C? < 1231956926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should < 1231956941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1231956942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sans quotes < 1231956944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include __FILE__ < 1231956946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it works without the quotes < 1231956958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't guaranteed to, it will on most cpps < 1231956960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's what i'll do in the underload compilation: < 1231956973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231956977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it isn't guaranteed because #include isn't guaranteed to work on non-standard-headers, e.g. if you don't have a filesystem) < 1231956979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1231956980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OI < 1231956984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop ruining my paste < 1231956985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1231956988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231956990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231956992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include __FILE__ < 1231956993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want people to ruin your pastes, use a pastebin < 1231956998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's still readable anyway < 1231957000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing it as I go < 1231957002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here I start again < 1231957003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1231957005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231957007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231957009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include __FILE__ < 1231957014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#undef _UNDERLOAD_HEADER < 1231957019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HERE GOES UNDERLOAD CODE) < 1231957020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1231957023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as if you're using telnet, surely other people's comments don't interfere with typing? < 1231957024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BORING HEADER BOILERPLATE) < 1231957025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1231957026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1231957028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still read it < 1231957038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it hides the boring boilerplate definitions at the bottom of the file < 1231957043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while still letting them be used in the top of the file < 1231957045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload, or Unlambda? < 1231957054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda, but whatever < 1231957060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's irrelevant to the trick :P < 1231957067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please, they're as different as Java and JavaScript < 1231957070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1231957077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're irrelevant _to the trick_ < 1231957155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 million's about the population of Birmingham, so it seems a bit excessive <-- is that the official UK definition of excessive? < 1231957172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this fingerprint spec is quite large < 1231957178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but it may as well be < 1231957179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is already 200 lines, and far from complete < 1231957181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which fingerprint? < 1231957182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, does perl have a built-in exception handling system? < 1231957187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IFFI's about that long, but complete IIRC < 1231957188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, SQL (3 letter yes) < 1231957189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1231957194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1231957198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eval {} for try {} (note, not eval "") < 1231957200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and die for throw < 1231957208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch is done using one of the weirdly named variables < 1231957214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably $@, but I might be wrong on that < 1231957216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, ummm, how do you have different types of exceptions there :DD < 1231957233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure offhand if you can throw anything but a string < 1231957239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what language is this? < 1231957240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can, you can just use isa on the object to see what it is < 1231957242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Perl < 1231957243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perl < 1231957245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231957254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1231957254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval { < 1231957258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah < 1231957260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} or { < 1231957264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... stuff with $@ ... < 1231957264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1231957265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231957271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1231957278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is perl's exception handling? < 1231957284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit unusual < 1231957287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially. < 1231957290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is Perl we're talking about < 1231957292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lets you recover from a die "foo" < 1231957298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all its features were bolted onto the core as simply as possible < 1231957298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231957300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibly < 1231957303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because eval { } will be false when it dies < 1231957308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why objects are basically just sugar for stuff < 1231957308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use or on it with a code block < 1231957311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the die string is put in $@ < 1231957313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1231957321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think the block might have to end with 1; for that to work < 1231957324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does this work for language errors, say division by zero < 1231957330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, Perl modules have to end like that for the same reason < 1231957331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe. < 1231957332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1231957336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1231957338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it throws a string in that case < 1231957351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use ref $@ to see if it's a string or not < 1231957358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does perl have an empty package built in? < 1231957362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BLANK or something < 1231957373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1231957382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1231957382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some, like strict or warnings, are very simple < 1231957390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they just set flags that the compiler reads < 1231957401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you thought use strict; was a compiler directive? < 1231957408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't $@ be argv? < 1231957413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1231957416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1231957417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's @ARGV < 1231957421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231957430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what made you think it would be $@? < 1231957433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perl is often close to shell I noted... < 1231957438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wasn't such a bad guess < 1231957453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a mix of C, shell, and sed < 1231957456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains a lot < 1231957458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes true < 1231957484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about awk? < 1231957494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that too < 1231957500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's more use English; than default < 1231957728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh? < 1231957745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use English; imports awk-like variable names < 1231957762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok... < 1231957765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders vaguely if awkwards is the opposite direction to sedwards
< 1231957809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:28 tomboy64 has left IRC ("This connection was severed because the sys-admin has been abducted by aliens and is now being tortured in the most pleasurab) < 1231957841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what would this awk script be in perl http://rafb.net/p/DOu9SY23.html ? < 1231957849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try awk2perl. < 1231957852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will tell you. < 1231957874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not sure if this is gawk specific or not since I have no other awk here < 1231957883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it and see. < 1231957896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also what package is awk2perl? < 1231957899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a2p(1) < 1231957904 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1231957905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have perl you have it < 1231957912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1231957916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried the full name < 1231957921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output looks correct to m < 1231957921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1231957983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://rafb.net/p/fw7OUJ65.html < 1231957990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a2p < 1231957992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because he is unable to run program < 1231957992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1231958001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231958006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was running it locally < 1231958007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231958007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, jumped to running a2p before that conversation started < 1231958013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only just saw your descriptions < 1231958022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a2p is surprisingly competent < 1231958028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it generated the line $[=1 < 1231958032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for ehird to say he is sorry for that comment above to ais523
< 1231958034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very very deprecated in modern Perl < 1231958043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about modern perl < 1231958045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what? < 1231958054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's more or less gets-level deprecation < 1231958059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so? < 1231958063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't automatically give everyone an evil handle to take over your computer < 1231958064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works, it works < 1231958065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's close < 1231958066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah because he is unable to run program s ehird: well, jumped to running a2p before that conversation started and only just saw your descriptions oops, sorry < 1231958073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I expected but didn't see < 1231958074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is $] < 1231958080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the version number < 1231958087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$[ is the base of arrays < 1231958094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, normally arrays are zero-based < 1231958098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$[=1; makes them one-based < 1231958102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1231958103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one sane would make $] be a version number < 1231958107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but changing the value causes chaos < 1231958109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not? < 1231958112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was unused < 1231958113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um, I made a mistake. do I have to point that out to everyone? < 1231958119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, he said he did it before the conversation < 1231958121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's that < 1231958137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they chose it based on a bad pun, so people would remember it more easily < 1231958142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it makes no sense, I mean reserve the namespace $PERL_ or such and have $PERL_VERSION < 1231958143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is this version of Perl within the right bracket?" < 1231958158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's longer. < 1231958161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1231958164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and? < 1231958166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more readable? < 1231958169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there you go. < 1231958177 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:35:03] no one sane would make $] be a version number <-- Last time I checked, we were in #esoteric < 1231958178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly readable to anyone who knows perl < 1231958179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they do have a reserved namespace, it's dollar followed by punctuation marks or control codes < 1231958181 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The insaner, the better < 1231958182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes hacking up scripts easy < 1231958186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow, you caught on already < 1231958191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, AnMaster is always like this < 1231958193 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1231958222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, what if they one day need more than the amount of punctuation marks or control codes < 1231958236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have already, but they didn't run out < 1231958243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1231958253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have variable names which start with a control code and are followed by normal letters < 1231958260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written as ${^Variable}, for instance < 1231958265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ^V is either a literal control-V < 1231958272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the separate characters ^V < 1231958274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it easier to type < 1231958276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also that awk script was a lot nicer < 1231958280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than the generated perl code < 1231958281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stored internally as a literal control-V, though < 1231958287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg machine compiled code < 1231958287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1231958288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume you could make the perl code nicer < 1231958288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it was, written code > generated code < 1231958288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly!! < 1231958291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less always < 1231958293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the PRESS < 1231958309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I assume you could make the perl code nicer omg machine compiled code is ugly!! < 1231958312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I said yes < 1231958313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231958328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone types instantly, and network lag does not exist < 1231958332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Perl isn't that bad, though, apart from it's missing idiomatic abbreviations for if/else < 1231958339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it much vertically longer than it ought to be < 1231958344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you could wait a few seconds before over reacting < 1231958347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work too < 1231958356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called sarcasm < 1231958358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not overrreacting < 1231958371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seemed like you were attacking me? < 1231958381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231958389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was responding sarcastically to comments I considered ridiculous. < 1231958425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it uses next line; instead of a switch or elseif or whatever, because each of those ends so it will never execute the next one < 1231958431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that is a special case < 1231958459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is no switch in perl, but an if/elsif chain would have made more sense < 1231958463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a2p isn't trying to optimise that case < 1231958473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a ?: chain would have worked there < 1231958484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true. would local($dir, $CC, $bits, $GC, $THR) = @_; detect missing parameters? < 1231958485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I lied, there is a switch in Perl but it's really new and hasn't caught on yet) < 1231958511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in error out, or warn on missing parameters < 1231958514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not without warnings on < 1231958516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not even then < 1231958518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just assign undef < 1231958523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well the original awk code would < 1231958530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check easily enough using @_ == 5 < 1231958533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too few parameters < 1231958534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a2p neglected that check < 1231958538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right < 1231958581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't understand the logic for the check if $running_under_some_shell; at the top < 1231958595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's for systems on which #! doesn't work < 1231958598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a hack < 1231958602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in shell, the next line won't be executed < 1231958604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about what the code does in sh < 1231958607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in perl, it's waiting for the end of the statement < 1231958609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231958610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that if makes it never run < 1231958614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x if y; < 1231958614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl < 1231958615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1231958617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if y { x } < 1231958619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, in fact, a Perl/sh polyglot < 1231958619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1231958621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (y) { x } < 1231958629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reinvokes the program under Perl if it's running in sh < 1231958631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1231958634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1231958635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the slightly weird phrasing < 1231958641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231958643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231958653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that assumes perl is in /usr/bin however < 1231958662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think /usr/bin/env perl would be more portable < 1231958663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231958665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's often done with /usr/bin/env < 1231958667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the perl you have on your system < 1231958673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case I get < 1231958674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/opt/local/bin/perl < 1231958675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval 'exec /opt/local/bin/perl -S $0 ${1+"$@"}' < 1231958677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if $running_under_some_shell; < 1231958677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231958678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course < 1231958681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're not meant to distribute these scripts, ofc < 1231958682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231958683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's object code < 1231958701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I would surely use the local awk on my system < 1231958709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone has gawk < 1231958718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone _wants_ gawk < 1231958720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it could be portable awk < 1231958725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1231958725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't tried it < 1231958729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a2p is useful for porting scripts over < 1231958731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is a local one off script < 1231958738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs as object code out of the box as a proof-of-concept < 1231958742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets you hack it up afterward < 1231958742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1231958760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it supports gawk extensions? < 1231958767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1231959086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For aesthetic reasons you may wish to change the array base $[ from 1 back to perl’s default of 0, but remember to change all array subscripts AND all substr() < 1231959086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and index() operations to match." < 1231959088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man page < 1231959141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1231959147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see why they set $[ < 1231959151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1231959154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than just aesthetic reasons, though < 1231959161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1231959165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, you don't want to force an array index of 1 onto all the other code you link it with < 1231959173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1231959175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they have a fix for that in recent versions, it's hacky < 1231959185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do they set $[ then? < 1231959224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to avoid having to wrap all the indexing operations in the whole program < 1231959231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : For efficiency, you may wish to remove the keyword from any return statement that is the last statement executed in a subroutine. A2p catches the most common < 1231959231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case, but doesn’t analyze embedded blocks for subtler cases. < 1231959232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1231959233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about Perl is it's good for large programs and short one-off scripts < 1231959236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in different ways < 1231959248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm... that shouldn't affect efficiency nowadays < 1231959251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a2p must be really old < 1231959255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what keyword? < 1231959257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't gt it < 1231959259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: return < 1231959259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get* < 1231959265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write 4; instead of return 4; < 1231959269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of a procedure < 1231959272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1231959277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231959280 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fichiers.asibasth.com/images/conneries/divers/Programmer_Superiority.jpg < 1231959281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't affect efficiency apart from the time it takes to parse the return keyword, though < 1231959358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is $, = ' '; about? < 1231959372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: separator for print statements < 1231959379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1231959398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "a", "b", "c"; is equivalent to print "a$,b$,c$/"; < 1231959405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the second one would actually print $/ twice, as it's implicit < 1231959409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how do you set input separator? because the call to the script did that with -F iirc < 1231959416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$/ < 1231959423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1231959424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that can't be a regex in Perl, and it can be in awk < 1231959438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it can in awk? nice < 1231959448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall certainly remember it, will be useful < 1231959487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUGS < 1231959488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It would be possible to emulate awk’s behavior in selecting string versus numeric operations at run time by inspection of the operands, but it would be gross < 1231959488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and inefficient. Besides, a2p almost always guesses right. < 1231959488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Storage for the awk syntax tree is currently static, and can run out. < 1231959493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh at the latter < 1231959505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTHOR < 1231959505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Larry Wall < 1231959515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that notable? < 1231959592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? the strange bug about using static storage? < 1231959598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the author < 1231959618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well wikipedia has an article on him so I guess he is notable? < 1231959623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1231959627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is it notable that he wrote a2p < 1231959631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you quote that block < 1231959634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT LARRY WALL < 1231959635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's notable for writing Perl < 1231959640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so writing a2p too is hardly surprising < 1231959643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1231959649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like calling me notable for writing convickt < 1231959656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh yes you are < 1231959662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for that reason, though < 1231959680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well after looking at convickt code I would say: very notable for that < 1231959686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also notorious < 1231959824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to put this into perspective, I never use getopt, either in C or in perl. < 1231959824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this could be construed as a character flaw. < 1231959825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Larry Wall, Dec 1989 < 1231959837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1231959845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of good Larry Wall quotes < 1231959849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "put what in perspective" < 1231959854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl/browse_thread/thread/4bda45c06e872fef/86586c72bf0ddc18#86586c72bf0ddc18 < 1231959869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about real programmers not needing backups, but instead persuade the whole Internet to mirror their work, I think is quite insightful < 1231959898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backing up a gpg-encrypted drive image via thepiratebay could work, if you bundle parts of it with illegal material < 1231959912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember once I uploaded a computer game to the pirate bay -- skip ahead a year, I can't find my disc. < 1231959919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I download my own copy from everyone else. < 1231959927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite silly < 1231959995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1231960047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also isn't the pirate pay just a torrent searcher, not a tracker? < 1231960050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert.. < 1231960054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both. < 1231960057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1231960063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tracker that provides a search facility for the torrents it tracks < 1231960072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and not for other's torrents? < 1231960080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err grammar fail < 1231960090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Sites like torrentz.com aggregate torrent trackers into a search engine. < 1231960094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231960100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tpb was like that too < 1231960101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1231960154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1231960158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if bless {}, NULL will work in perl < 1231960160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/local/bin/perl < 1231960161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do 'getopt.pl'; < 1231960163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that? < 1231960169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would run the script getopt.pl < 1231960170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it use getopt? or something < 1231960171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., like a load < 1231960173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231960176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is from _1989_ < 1231960180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1231960186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is probably a module nowdays? < 1231960189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231960196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl was only 2 years old back then, and had only been public i think for like a year < 1231960199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modules didn't exist back then? < 1231960205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely < 1231960208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1231960478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, I found the torrent < 1231960485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeder 0, leechers 1 :( < 1231960490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231960504 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-86-115.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1231960510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to represent NULL in funge? as in NULL from SQL < 1231960511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1231960538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm... are you mostly dealing with string data? < 1231960555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um? as in type of prepared statement or type or return value < 1231960564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to make it support several types < 1231960575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you could use -1 or some other character that doesn't make sense in strings < 1231960575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's no good if you're returning an integer < 1231960579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I have where format of depends on < 1231960581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1231960585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard < 1231960585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1231960587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manually closed < 1231960589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every window in my browser < 1231960590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one by one < 1231960594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes I support integers and blobs < 1231960594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without me telling it to < 1231960602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you sure? < 1231960605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your keyboard? < 1231960605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keyboard, or mouse? < 1231960607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, i'll explain < 1231960608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that? < 1231960610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1231960625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pressed cmd-w to close one window, while i was pressing it, my (wireless) keyboard lost connection for some reason < 1231960634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the OS never got the "keypress up" signal from it < 1231960637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it thought i was holding it down < 1231960638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1231960644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it stopped when the last window was closed, and thus there was no focus < 1231960645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1231960647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug, isn't it? < 1231960653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1231960659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly gonna be common though < 1231960661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wouldn't use a wireless keyboard anyway < 1231960671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice. i don't care. it was my system, not yours < 1231960681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about other protocols, but on Windows the protocol is to send a key-down message for every time the key should appear, then a key-up at the end < 1231960682 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1231960690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so holding down a key gives down,down,down,down,down... < 1231960693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and letting go gives up < 1231960697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231960702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it works at the hardware layer < 1231960703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets < 1231960705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how messages are sent to the software < 1231960707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEY X UP < 1231960709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEY X DOWN < 1231960713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware using a similar method would make sense, probably < 1231960718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231960722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have a short fuse (as I would say in Swedish, "kort stubin", not sure if the translation is very unidiomatic or not) < 1231960723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the repeat rate is configurable < 1231960732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is idiomatic < 1231960735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1231960741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but wouldn't the keyword be? < 1231960745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, i've just learnt that talking with you is so irritating that I try not to give it too much thought. < 1231960747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes... < 1231960751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, that's how keyboards work < 1231960758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the driver never got "key X up" < 1231960787 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-146.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1231960825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, $Object->{hello}(); works < 1231960832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to make $Object->hello work < 1231960832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if it detects the lost connection (which I know it does for wireless mouse on OS X at least) it should send the key up event itself < 1231960840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shrug < 1231960845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny < 1231960847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a feature < 1231960867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what perl method gets called when the method isn't known again? < 1231960868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: most people wouldn't consider all their windows closing a feature... < 1231960872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: AUTOLOAD < 1231960874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm pretty sure I have seen an ibook display "connection lost" under an image of a mouse < 1231960880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1231960892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the same for keyboards I assume? < 1231960895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231960910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for mouse it sends button up when that box shows up < 1231960910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what args does it get? :\ < 1231960917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for keyboard? < 1231960960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1231960976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch that sounds like the C pre-processor trying to auto add missing includes XD < 1231961091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/xisw72zrb5danroibmor7a c program reordering < 1231961098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-contained files without huge library bulk at the top. < 1231961146 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1231961212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh < 1231961229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1231961258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why though? I don't see the point < 1231961265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for compiler output < 1231961280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the huge support functions can be at the bottom so you can inspect the compiled unlambda easily < 1231961282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not just add the include at the top instead < 1231961283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without scrolling a lot < 1231961286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231961288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231961294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that adds a function too < 1231961299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that there's no prototype before it < 1231961302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just reorders thec ode < 1231961304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is from an unlambda compiler? < 1231961308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you say < 1231961313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to write it :P < 1231961314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1231961324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'll keep the constant name. < 1231961328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes for that I guess it makes a certain amount of cense < 1231961334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense* < 1231961336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1231961378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nordier.com/v7x86/index.html < 1231961384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nerdgasm! < 1231961453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% perl unl2c.pl < 1231961453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__PROXY=HASH(0x18006a0) < 1231961455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1231961456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1231961459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1231961460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__PROXY=HASH(0x18006a0) < 1231961462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why does it duplicate that arg... < 1231961464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1231961466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231961676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thanks for that link < 1231961680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bookmarks
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ACTION tries to figure out how to define a variable i n another package
< 1231961722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is __PROXY? < 1231961729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a package I made up. < 1231961744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is this HASH() thing? MD5 hash? < 1231961763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe sha1 < 1231961766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231961767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl hash < 1231961770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's an attempt to print a pointer to a hash < 1231961771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. hashtable < 1231961775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1231961776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi ais523 < 1231961777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I do this < 1231961779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ehird < 1231961781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our $__PROXY::foo; < 1231961794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that makes no sense < 1231961799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't < 1231961803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why I want to do it. < 1231961805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what /are/ you trying to do? < 1231961812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that. < 1231961816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if in __PROXY "our $foo;" was done < 1231961827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our? < 1231961832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I got it working < 1231961832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to declare a lexically scoped variable... in a different scope? < 1231961832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! MINE! < 1231961834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1231961836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub __PROXY::AUTOLOAD { < 1231961836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unshift @_; < 1231961837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($obj, @args) = @_; < 1231961838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my is a keyword too < 1231961839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print $__PROXY::AUTOLOAD,"\n"; < 1231961841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1231961843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% perl unl2c.pl < 1231961845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__PROXY::hello < 1231961847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__PROXY::DESTROY < 1231961849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, meaning? < 1231961857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they declare lexically scoped variables < 1231961860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like auto in C < 1231961865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in C you have to give the data type < 1231961871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehe < 1231961882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Perl, you don't, which is why the auto-like keyword is needed < 1231961889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what if you don't use my, what sort of scope is used then? < 1231961895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dynamic scope < 1231961898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1231961900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of lexica < 1231961901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1231961905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1231961907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :global, usually < 1231961908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1231961913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local" is for dynamic scope < 1231961926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1231961946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "local" is for INTERCAL-like scope < 1231961954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1231961964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: question, how can you say "is this a sub"? < 1231961983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a sub if you're running it < 1231961989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for a pointer to a sub would make more sense < 1231961992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can do with ref < 1231961993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1231961999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if (Object.IsSubmerged()) return true; < 1231962000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: push/pop on a stack for scoping < 1231962002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, wait... < 1231962006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah right < 1231962021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you call an anonymous sub again? < 1231962041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one noticed the joke? :( < 1231962052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i did < 1231962054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wasn't funny < 1231962064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: &$variable_holding_pointer_to_sub; < 1231962075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never like my jokes ehird :( < 1231962078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, the anonymous sub is the result of a function calll. < 1231962130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have to do ->() or something? < 1231962131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1231962136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1231962139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo->(...) < 1231962144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's syntactic sugar, which works < 1231962154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-sugared version is &{put call here}(); < 1231962188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, now how do I execute some code in the context of whoever called me? <_< < 1231962211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're already in the context of whoever called you, apart from lexically scoped variables < 1231962222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexical scoping is deliberately sane, so you aren't going to be able to get around it < 1231962239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except < 1231962241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions can use caller < 1231962249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want caller to be whoever called this method, in the function I call < 1231962250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1231962263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I just want to contort the call stack < 1231962267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just" < 1231962286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, interesting < 1231962293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you return immediately after the call, or do you do other things? < 1231962304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return the result of the call, immediately after it returns < 1231962314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has a primitive just for you, then < 1231962318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto &procedure; < 1231962323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1231962325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the tail-recursion primitive < 1231962325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oho! < 1231962327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with arguments? < 1231962333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto &procedure(@args);? < 1231962333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put them in @_ before the call < 1231962335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1231962339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1231962340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: okay, what about if I have a subref? < 1231962348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto &$subref; < 1231962372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does perl support "normal" goto? I mean like goto in C < 1231962385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it's bad style < 1231962389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my fucking god. < 1231962389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked. < 1231962392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1231962395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel awful < 1231962396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel dirty < 1231962398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to die < 1231962399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked < 1231962400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pastebin the code < 1231962400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. < 1231962404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep ,will do < 1231962412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's wrong with a tail-recursion primitive which lets you tail-recurse to /different/ procedures? < 1231962416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that was its original use < 1231962423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you've got to see this < 1231962425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/c1x8277pqihm1ht3srcwfg < 1231962436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel _dreadful_ < 1231962453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is that a good thing, or a bad thing? < 1231962459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my $name = $__PROXY::AUTOLOAD; ? < 1231962461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish I knew, ais523 < 1231962463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1231962467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does that do < 1231962478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google it, i'd have another breakdown if I tried to explain < 1231962499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the original purpose for which AUTOLOAD and goto & were invented < 1231962503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well googling that exact string found nothing, I have no clue what to google < 1231962507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know, but what it does < 1231962508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is perverse < 1231962511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it invents an object system < 1231962515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a whole new object semantics < 1231962520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that horrible, horrible stuff < 1231962522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make you feel dirtier or less dirty to know that you're using those commands with their intended meaning? < 1231962532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the fact that I can use them to give that result < 1231962545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, variables and functions in the same namespace? < 1231962547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrible! < 1231962552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not Perl! < 1231962561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't in the same namespace < 1231962568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are < 1231962568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is this object orientation for perl? < 1231962570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Object->a < 1231962573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Object->foo(1,2,3) < 1231962577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perl already has object orientation < 1231962577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Perl has at least 2 object-orientation systems already < 1231962582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just abusing one aspect of it < 1231962584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is this then? < 1231962585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a deliciously perverse way < 1231962587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to invent my _own_ system < 1231962591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1231962593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231962599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why two? < 1231962605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the default one < 1231962610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of others as CPAN modules < 1231962612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't just adding basic OO work < 1231962613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably using similar tricks to ehird < 1231962631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so the perl built in OO is not very good? < 1231962635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1231962636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since people wrote their own < 1231962637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't pass along self < 1231962639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes it
< 1231962641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just too general < 1231962648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus confusing to use, and not particularly standardised < 1231962652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1231962690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds like even PHP OO is saner than that < 1231962696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PHP is generally insane < 1231962700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I wonder how my use of unshift worked < 1231962706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually did a pop... < 1231962707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... < 1231962714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshift != pop < 1231962719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no... I can't figure out my own code... < 1231962725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unshift pushes to the left of an array, pop pops from the right < 1231962731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231962757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unshift should be called mom then? < 1231962801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? < 1231962805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was going to reply to that, but couldn't think of anything sensible to say < 1231962808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a really bad pun < 1231962817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1231962818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1231962823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you merge two hashes in perl? < 1231962827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1231962829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hashrefs. < 1231962830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask your mom or pop < 1231962836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: %a = (%b, %c) for hashes < 1231962841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashrefs :P < 1231962849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%$a = (%$b, %$c) < 1231962859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do %$self = ...;? < 1231962860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess so. < 1231962861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew :D < 1231962864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be pretty obvious given the syntax for dereferencing < 1231962873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1231962876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%a = (%a, %b) < 1231962877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1231962879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to add more stuff < 1231962880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not entirely sure if assigning to self screws up the blessing < 1231962887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, to merge into a hash < 1231962892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can easily just rebless once you're done < 1231962897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do => sub { < 1231962898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($self, $more) = @_; < 1231962899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %$self = (%$self, %$more); < 1231962901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $self; < 1231962903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1231962905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD < 1231962908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... dammit < 1231962909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1231962913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it mess up the blessing? < 1231962916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Object->do { < 1231962918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is invalid syntax < 1231962922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1231962924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want parens < 1231962929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a prototype < 1231962930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1231962933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: think about it < 1231962937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessing?? < 1231962937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're saying makes no sense < 1231962941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have object calls with prototypes < 1231962943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is religious? < 1231962947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you could change the syntax at runtime < 1231962947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, yes < 1231962949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry wall is christian < 1231962950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231962954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bless is part of the OO system < 1231962963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1231962963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's just the syntax for associating a pointer with a class < 1231962965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can anyway :P < 1231962967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to tell it what class it's an object for < 1231962969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1231962969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231962970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using eval < 1231962974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only inside BEGIN{} blocks < 1231962980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even eval doesn't change the syntax at runtime < 1231962985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, schwartzian snippet < 1231962987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what confuses people is that eval has a compile then run < 1231963005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only affects the code inside the eval < 1231963007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because then you could change the syntax at runtime <-- Feather! < 1231963010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231963030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then what about the schwartzian snippet < 1231963034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wtf it's called < 1231963039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that says parsing Perl is TC? < 1231963043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231963046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just runs the prototype code in a BEGIN {} block < 1231963052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in Perl, is technically compile-time < 1231963055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231963065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to run arbitrary code at compile-time = having TC syntax < 1231963068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly obviously < 1231963080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwartzian Transform is the only hit < 1231963082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when googling < 1231963086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that? < 1231963090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231963090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 < 1231963094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever / 25 ; # / ; die "this dies!"; < 1231963097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be parsed two ways < 1231963101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if whatever takes no arguments, it's a call to it < 1231963103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a devision < 1231963104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a ; < 1231963105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a comment < 1231963109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if whatever takes an argument < 1231963111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calls whatever with a regexp < 1231963113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then dies < 1231963123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can define functions at runtime... < 1231963127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1231963177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: prototypes are compile-time only < 1231963187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why there's a BEGIN block in the proof < 1231963201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, prototypes as prototypes in C? < 1231963212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not exactly, as they modify the syntax of the language < 1231963223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they say what type each parameter is, just like C prototypes do < 1231963230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought Perl didn't have C-style prototypes < 1231963240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1231963241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1231963241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1231963246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then wtf < 1231963246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap. < 1231963250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523 < 1231963255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I get $Object->do { to work < 1231963255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231963257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying what type each parameter is isn't sufficient to be a C-style prototype < 1231963263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Source filters! < 1231963269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. not recommended) < 1231963272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FUCK YOU :( < 1231963273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1231963273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1231963275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1231963277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memories < 1231963279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1231963300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1231963301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1231963302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1231963304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1231963309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1231963311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1231963314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1231963316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1231963316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1231963317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1231963319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1231963320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1231963327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1231963327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am < 1231963330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1231963334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963335 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1231963335 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963336 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1231963336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1231963342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963344 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1231963344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1231963345 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963346 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963346 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1231963347 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1231963348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1231963349 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1231963349 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1231963356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1231963358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1231963360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1231963360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have < 1231963361 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1231963361 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1231963362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1231963362 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1231963362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1231963363 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1231963363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1231963363 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231963364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1231963368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1231963370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1231963372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1231963376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1231963380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1231963382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1231963384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1231963386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1231963387 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1231963388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1231963390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1231963392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hvae < 1231963394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1231963396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1231963397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231963398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1231963400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1231963401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck was that? < 1231963402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowl < 1231963404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1231963406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plate < 1231963408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1231963410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faeriy < 1231963412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :es < 1231963414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1231963416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dust < 1231963418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1231963431 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's over \o/ < 1231963440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: couldn't I define a dynamic prototype on AUTOLOAD? <__< < 1231963457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231963457 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~ < 1231963459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is a compiled language! < 1231963465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, perl needs a ,= operator < 1231963468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %$self = (%$self, %more); < 1231963469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1231963469 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'later guys ! < 1231963477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%$self ,= %more; < 1231963502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1231963520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about .= ? < 1231963524 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1231963527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is for strings < 1231963527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that exist? < 1231963529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's for string concatenation < 1231963532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not array concatenation < 1231963534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I was wondering if it existed < 1231963537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't even compare strings and ints the same way < 1231963538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would indeed be ,= if it existed < 1231963539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in PHP < 1231963540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 == 2 < 1231963541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1231963541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231963542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1231963543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' eq 'b' < 1231963545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I said < 1231963548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1231963548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : does that exist? < 1231963548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231963554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just saying something funny. < 1231963556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0xa" = "1e1" < 1231963560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*== < 1231963565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1231963569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you copy a hash in perl <__< < 1231963570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I much prefer: < 1231963572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it does in PHP too, and PHP doesn't have a string-compare operator < 1231963574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = y < 1231963576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x = y < 1231963579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1231963582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should all be same < 1231963583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just assign it without using a reference < 1231963589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't you agree? < 1231963590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in my %new_hash = %$oldhash < 1231963597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i much prefer (= x y), (equal? x y), (eqv? x y) and (eq? x y) < 1231963597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in math < 1231963598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can then return a reference to new_hash < 1231963603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Scheme has _all_ of those comparison ops.) < 1231963605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that is nice too < 1231963608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're all useful in all different situations.)_ < 1231963621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1231963623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R5RS Scheme is interestingly complete in the few areas it dabbles in. < 1231963626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has ||=, if you're after weird operators < 1231963627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a comprehensive numeric tower. < 1231963634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh, ruby has that < 1231963635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful < 1231963636 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or equal to? < 1231963638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1231963641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "initialize this var if it isn't already" < 1231963643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is ||= ? < 1231963645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a ||= b is actually < 1231963645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, that's //= < 1231963647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a || (a = b) < 1231963649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical and? < 1231963651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AnMaster: too) < 1231963656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it's a = (a || b) < 1231963660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an operator called "too"? < 1231963667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, in Perl maybe < 1231963669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in ruby it's that < 1231963673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they mean the same thing < 1231963678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1231963680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if a, then a || b is the same as a < 1231963687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ruby, the assignment is never triggered < 1231963692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very VM-level distinction, yes < 1231963696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one nevertheless < 1231963696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimisation/ < 1231963699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually faster < 1231963699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you detect it? < 1231963706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think you can detect it < 1231963712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in a C extension, probably, though < 1231963716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't detect it from inside the program, then it semantically is a = (a || b), and it's just being optimised < 1231963731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : clone => sub { < 1231963732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my $self = shift; < 1231963733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bless %$self, __PROXY; < 1231963735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : }, < 1231963752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1231963754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should just be $self < 1231963754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1231963771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that doesn't copy the object < 1231963777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm true < 1231963779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to do < 1231963780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be my %copy_of_self = %$self; < 1231963784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1231963785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1231963792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless \%copy_of_self, $self; < 1231963792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $copy_of_self = \%$self; < 1231963793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1231963794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1231963801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, that's wrong < 1231963805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1231963810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\%$self is like writing &*self in C < 1231963815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get back self, not a copy of it < 1231963815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231963830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to dereference, copy the dereferenced value, then reference the copy < 1231963834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it works < 1231963836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a deep copy /is/, after all < 1231963843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prototypical object system in Perl in 27 lines < 1231963844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1231963858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds one last nicety
< 1231963870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1231963900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err a deep copy is more, it copies any pointers in the struct too < 1231963905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1231963912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-shallow non-deep copy < 1231963913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean a shallow copy < 1231963919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err how? < 1231963919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a shallow copy just copies the pointer < 1231963922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 1-level copy < 1231963930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no that would be making a copy of the reference < 1231963930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're duplicating the struct, but not pointers inside it < 1231963933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a copy of the object < 1231963938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, that's what I call a shallow copy < 1231963940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shallow copy would copy level 1 < 1231963944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I might be wrong < 1231963952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought shallow copy was what you described < 1231963953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one-level copies we're talking about, anyway < 1231963955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/jenlaevavatsjngzjmsljw < 1231963961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PROTOTYPICAL OBJECT SYSTEM IN AROUND 30 LINES OF PERL < 1231963962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1231963975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice < 1231963986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add delegation to multiple prototypes instead of just one, then that'll be version 1. < 1231963992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall use it for my underload to C compiler. :D < 1231963999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be called... Minob. < 1231964008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slogan: So small you can just paste it in. < 1231964010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1231964025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about private members? < 1231964036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and protected and so on < 1231964043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eh, private data is for weenies. < 1231964049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh ok < 1231964057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also C++-style friend for the extra "eww" < 1231964058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even think CLOS has it, and CLOS is a pretty good object system. < 1231964059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1231964062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in Perl, the convention is not to declare as private, just to not access other class's private stuff < 1231964068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just call the var _foo if you really don't want anyone to touch it < 1231964069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*classes' < 1231964077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well perl usually have good documentation so I guess it works < 1231964083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl modules* < 1231964089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to be able to do < 1231964091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub hello { < 1231964091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231964092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1231964094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of < 1231964096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello => sub { < 1231964098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1231964100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}, < 1231964102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there you go < 1231964109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, per-processor < 1231964109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading underscore's normally used for internals, so as to let people know not to use it < 1231964119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't actually enforced < 1231964121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how would I go about doing it with sub? < 1231964128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah it isn't reserved for something? < 1231964133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1231964140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, they use the leading underscore to scare C programmers < 1231964146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into keeping away < 1231964151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, from perl? < 1231964159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, from private internals < 1231964160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading underscare < 1231964162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231964172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1231964176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1231964183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there an "anti ,="? :D < 1231964183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the problem is that sub hello { } is a named subroutine declaration < 1231964199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't going to be able to return a value like that < 1231964205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why anonymous subs exist, after all < 1231964207 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1231964212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for an anti ,=, what do you want to do? < 1231964216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove elements from a hash? < 1231964218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :un-concatenate hashes < 1231964219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1231964236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I really need is to define AUTOLOAD on the hash _itself_ < 1231964236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1231964237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does that differ from removing elements which are the keys of a given hash? < 1231964252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope. any ideas how I could "AUTOLOAD the hash"? < 1231964252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1231964254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, perl is basically hack * (awk + sed + C + sh + rand()) < 1231964257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$hashref->{fooasdasdasd} < 1231964259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the syntax < 1231964260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would call a subroutine < 1231964265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language itself < 1231964270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, you could tie the hash < 1231964275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then anyone sane will kill you < 1231964276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of which syntax is a part) < 1231964285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you bless a tied hash? < 1231964289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea how tied hashes interact with the OO system < 1231964297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at all convinced that you can bless a tied hash < 1231964301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna ask #perl XD < 1231964305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm pretty sure it's in an FAQ somewhere < 1231964306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i really liked that katamari damacy reference earlier < 1231964312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 Can you bless a tied hash? Don't ask. < 1231964312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18 ais523 has joined (n=ais523@147.188.254.127) < 1231964323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm here to watch the fun < 1231964326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, now they will ask. < 1231964327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : im gonna ask #perl XD <-- I'm going to watch too < 1231964328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't something you'd do if you were sane < 1231964347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a tied hash? < 1231964370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/Tie/Hash.html < 1231964373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when you are done you should pastebin your code there < 1231964374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231964380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:19 ehird: you can bless any reference, perl doesn't give a shit what it's a reference -to- < 1231964384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want to see their reactions < 1231964385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: hardcore perl users don't be givin' a shit < 1231964387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, that's the CPAN module for tying hashes < 1231964394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fail < 1231964396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ouch < 1231964397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tie primitive < 1231964398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was a cpan module < 1231964399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home > Core modules > T > Tie::Hash < 1231964413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, core is also CPAN, the way I think of things < 1231964417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's in core doesn't change things < 1231964420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a module < 1231964429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sky is green. < 1231964429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a primitive for doing tying, why bother with modules? < 1231964439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: modules get moved back and forth all the time < 1231964442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still modules < 1231964459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what is a tied hash then? < 1231964481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:20 ehird: So, in short, "yes". And it does what you expect. < 1231964482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 buu: Hooray. What I expect is bunnies to fly out of my nose, though. < 1231964485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 ehird: You're in luck! < 1231964485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 I'm so lucky! < 1231964500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1231964517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well this is a typical example of #perl I guess < 1231964533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they would be happy about a hack like that python-with-no-indent hack you made < 1231964538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lambda iirc < 1231964539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie::Hash just defines the standard hash-tying methods < 1231964547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ever seen ACME::Pythonic? < 1231964551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nop < 1231964556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, there was also a Python module to go the other way < 1231964558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the name doesn't bode well < 1231964564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACME I mean < 1231964569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a Perl source filter which gives it Python syntax < 1231964574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1231964579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ACME is for the jokey/not entirely serious stuff on CPAN < 1231964588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an ACME::Brainfuck, for instance < 1231964594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows inline BF in Perl code < 1231964600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without even any special syntax < 1231964608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it uses heuristics to tell the BF and the Perl apart < 1231964609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is a python module for ; and {} in python I know < 1231964616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter or encoding or something < 1231964618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name < 1231965249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm how does it reinterpret the code? < 1231965259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it needs to reinterpret the code with a changed interpreter right? < 1231965262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the use foo; < 1231965276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a source filter < 1231965282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that means? < 1231965284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write the use foo at the top < 1231965290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231965294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it goes and runs the rest of the code through the source filter before continuing to compile < 1231965300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, after any #!/bin/perl or such I assume? < 1231965307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only from the use statement onwards < 1231965315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an < 1231965317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1231965396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that ACME::Brainfuck, does it share memory with perl or something? < 1231965422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a source filter < 1231965433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it uses some var in the module itself as a tape and pointer < 1231965434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean the bf code it runs < 1231965439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the perl code it runs < 1231965444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't share memory with Perl < 1231965447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they interact with each other memory < 1231965461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BF code is a Perl expression which returns the current value at the pointer < 1231965466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think Perl can access the tape via some API < 1231965481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this may interest you too http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/ecpg-concept.html < 1231965518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, that's source filters for C < 1231965525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1231965556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it is serious, I can't see any serious use of a source filter for perl or C. I think ecpg is silly < 1231965573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about cpp? that's a source filter < 1231965608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well true < 1231965617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean another source filter apart from cpp < 1231965634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the last version of your OO system? < 1231965643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to pastebin it? :D < 1231965645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*latest? < 1231965651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last would imply there wouldn't be any more < 1231965651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1231965657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231965674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous latest words < 1231965675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the last and greast? < 1231965683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(intentional typo) < 1231965693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1231965725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wish it was last word instead of latest Office crap
< 1231965733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I so hate MS word...) < 1231965768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what in particular don't you like about it? < 1231965780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it's document format for a start < 1231965795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so with the last XML based not-really-standard thing < 1231965811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll agree with that < 1231965817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also clippy < 1231965831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, clippy was easy to turn off < 1231965858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and then there is the stupid "this sentence seems overly bureaucratic" when I type (message translated from Swedish word) < 1231965868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I type a formal letter < 1231965873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1231965873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "overly formal" in English < 1231965880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually, I usually got the opposite error < 1231965889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I never got the opposite < 1231965893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word's grammar-checker doesn't like people using the passive < 1231965902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it complains about "old Swedish" sometimes < 1231965920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which again I use because I want to < 1231965934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess it differs between languages < 1231965946 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1231965949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh also they don't include spell checking or grammar checking for all the languages < 1231965959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just English + language Word is localized in < 1231965968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is quite strange < 1231965978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why? < 1231965983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's addonable, I think < 1231965986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not installed by default < 1231965988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, costs money? < 1231965992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't on the cd < 1231965995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1231965996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with office standard < 1231966005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is office xp btw < 1231966010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any newer < 1231966014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I plan to get that < 1231966073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and openoffice is just as bad. I mean why are there no high quality office suites, I mean same level of quality as emacs is for text editors or such < 1231966094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koffice is a joke < 1231966098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LaTeX? < 1231966110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but that doesn't do the spreadsheet bit though < 1231966112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/744.html < 1231966116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it solves the text issue < 1231966123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've heard good things about Gnumeric, but never used it < 1231966129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should download it and have a look < 1231966149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I tried it a few years ago < 1231966151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 2 or 3 < 1231966155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't very good back then iirc < 1231966172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Gnumeric
< 1231966192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would mean installing half of gnome < 1231966194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would suck < 1231966256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have half of gnome installed already < 1231966263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Gnome and KDE are installed here < 1231966264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why not? < 1231966269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, KDE4 still isn't finished < 1231966273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1231966278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm on KDE 3.x < 1231966280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Gnome is the only real desktop environment I can use here atm < 1231966302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, KDE 3.x for me. And going awesome wm instead of KDE 4 when it is time for that < 1231966311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1231966343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder what happens if you do startx, then jumps back to the console and starts xdm using the normal service script for it < 1231966348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not about to try < 1231966356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdm or gdm or kdm < 1231966365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: me? I don't run startx by hand < 1231966370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I do < 1231966387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ehird, what is the last version of your OO system? care to pastebin it? :D < 1231966448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mean same level of quality as emacs is for text editors or such" < 1231966453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms word. < 1231966458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i just came back, no revisions atm < 1231966459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding ties < 1231966466 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1231966475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me when you are done < 1231966480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Gnumeric reminds me of Abiword < 1231966481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon. < 1231966492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not full-featured, but looks good at what it tries to do < 1231966523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circular references act really weirdly, though < 1231966577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to get 850*77.1 right < 1231966588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not particularly surprising < 1231966613 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1231966617 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive designed a language. :T < 1231966643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: what paradigm? < 1231966676 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the best way to describe it is as a pattern-matching unifying tree-rewriting system. < 1231966693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1231966830 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only task now is to.. actually make the language. XD < 1231966854 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1231966864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems to get 850*77.1 right < 1231966864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that's not particularly surprising < 1231966869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even try that? < 1231966879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because famously, Excel 2007 got it wrong < 1231966883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, until they patched it < 1231966884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how? < 1231966892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, it was a bug in the binary to decimal conversion < 1231966899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which converted numbers just below 65535 to 1000000 < 1231966904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100000 < 1231966904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1231966916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not just use snprintf()? < 1231966921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like ti < 1231966923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1231966929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows has itoa() iirc < 1231966935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't ask me, I haven't read the source code to Excel < 1231966940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1231966946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's because it would have printed as 65534.9999999999999999999999999 < 1231966948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1231966958 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think also the way its designed, integer math is entirely feasible from primitives in the system. rather than building it in terms of stuff outside the system. :o < 1231966964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? depends on setting precision? < 1231966967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's true of most langs < 1231966969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1231966985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if proper rounding mode is set it wouldn't be an issue < 1231966988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set "precision as displayed", the incorrect numbers actually went and affected other calculations < 1231966991 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm i suppose in some sense it is. < 1231966996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bug wasn't rounding mode, just the rounding algorithm < 1231967008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1231967022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "850 77.1" gives lots of results, anywy < 1231967024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1231967161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you do "x and return x" in perl. < 1231967322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x and return $x; < 1231967425 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1231967432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $result = $_->{$key} and return $result; works < 1231967444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it? < 1231967539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you put undef in a hash or is that just essentially deleting that element? < 1231967548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put undef in a hash < 1231967550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hillo everyone! < 1231967552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't deleting the element < 1231967557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh. < 1231967562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use exists to tell if undef's in a hash < 1231967569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anything's in a hash < 1231967570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm _implementing_ exists. < 1231967572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defined to see if it's undef < 1231967591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use delete to get rid of an element altogether, rather than just undeffing it out < 1231967627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how dare you call me a jam! < 1231967643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ? < 1231967647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense < 1231967664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made frighteningly lot of sense. < 1231967671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1231967687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gitf < 1231967712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1231967716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giyf < 1231967722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1231967727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to implement firstkey/nextkey. < 1231967728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill me. < 1231967741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if < 1231967747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goo in the face" < 1231967748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot, someone took my saucepan < 1231967753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each %{ $self->{data}, @$self->{delegates} } < 1231967754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work < 1231967763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1231967787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ://=== *boom* < 1231967847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the object system is growing to >100 lines :P < 1231967900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule #1 of short programs: never add features < 1231967907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a feature < 1231967909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just making it actually work < 1231967934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when? < 1231967943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is saucepan == fryingpan? < 1231967945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English < 1231967949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231967950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, not quite < 1231967954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1231967956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frying pans are flatter and wider < 1231967967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right < 1231967968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally used to fry things < 1231967974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saucepans are more commonly used for boiling < 1231967980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kettle? < 1231967988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kettles are used for boiling water < 1231967992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1231967994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are much more enclosed < 1231968000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saucepans are used for boiling vegetables < 1231968008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining AnMaster putting stuff to boil in a kettle there XD < 1231968010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cooking baked beans < 1231968014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pot? < 1231968019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pot's more general < 1231968030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sausepan a type of pot? < 1231968031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a saucepan's a type of pot, but there are others < 1231968033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pot's great < 1231968034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like flowerpots < 1231968042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1231968047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type of arg 1 to keys must be hash (not private variable) at unl2c.pl line 55, near "$flattened;" < 1231968048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fuck my life < 1231968055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isssssssssss < 1231968058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that makes sense < 1231968059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the result of a function callllllllllllll < 1231968064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe want to dereference it first < 1231968065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my $flattened = $self->_flatten; < 1231968065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : keys $flattened; < 1231968066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : each $flattened; < 1231968067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions can't return hashes < 1231968069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub __DELEGATE::_flatten { < 1231968070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my $self = shift; < 1231968072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %{ $self->{data}, @$self->{delegations} }; < 1231968074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1231968079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you're returning an array there < 1231968082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions can't return hashes < 1231968083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1231968084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes are arrays. < 1231968090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean hashref? < 1231968098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes != arrays < 1231968103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't run keys on an array < 1231968105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhh, the problem is "my $flattened" < 1231968121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you're assigning your array to a scalar there < 1231968124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only get its length < 1231968134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my %flattened = $self->_flatten; < 1231968136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do it < 1231968138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookware and bakeware < 1231968138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1231968138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Redirected from Saucepan) < 1231968139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1231968145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find interwiki link that way < 1231968150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kastrull? < 1231968164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type of arg 1 to each must be hash (not subroutine entry) at unl2c.pl line 61, near "->flatten;" < 1231968166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now _that's_ bizarre < 1231968182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't < 1231968189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's telling you exactly what I was saying < 1231968195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that functions can't return hashes < 1231968198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay :P < 1231968200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can return a hashref if you want < 1231968227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bareword "__PROXY" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at unl2c.pl line 75. < 1231968228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1231968242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bareword? < 1231968243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, you're interacting with use strict; < 1231968247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try putting it in quotes < 1231968248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION defines __PROXY stuff _before_ doing the bless
< 1231968252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, ok < 1231968258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bareword's a string with no meaning < 1231968260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like foo < 1231968264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231968272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use global @_ in "my" at unl2c.pl line 85, near "= @_" < 1231968276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl interprets it as "foo", or &foo(), depending on context < 1231968278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you Perl, thatmakes perfect sense < 1231968283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its complaininga bout < 1231968284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($self, %more) = @_; < 1231968291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you aren't inside a function < 1231968293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which worked fine before I turned on STUPID PEDANTIC MODE. < 1231968295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong < 1231968298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do => sub { < 1231968298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($self, %more) = @_; < 1231968311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.... < 1231968328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a my < 1231968334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is presumably a global @_ < 1231968345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all that remains is to wonder wtf that's an error < 1231968355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you read a global in a function? < 1231968361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can, normally < 1231968366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm wondering what's happening here < 1231968380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in fact = @_ is the perl idiom for finding a function's arguments < 1231968381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet its to do with the %more < 1231968382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confused by ehird < 1231968387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1231968391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, because that's inside the my < 1231968398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true/ < 1231968398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know *THAT* much perl < 1231968406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of interest, what does my $self = shift; my %more = @_; do? < 1231968417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should mean the same thing < 1231968421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1231968427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, almost? < 1231968437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, i found the issue < 1231968439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it leaves a different value in @_ < 1231968442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally you aren't reading it again < 1231968443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1231968446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what was it? < 1231968448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : delegate => sub { < 1231968448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1231968450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1231968452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do => sub { < 1231968454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($self, %more) = @_; < 1231968456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing comma < 1231968456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you spot the error? < 1231968459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you weren't inside a sub < 1231968462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'do' was tripping it up and all went to hell :D < 1231968465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : missing comma < 1231968466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you spot the error? < 1231968467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1231968476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said it first on my end :P < 1231968477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I know lag) < 1231968483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it looked funny here < 1231968484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: said it before I received your message < 1231968490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ok :) < 1231968493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way can I type that fast < 1231968501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, of course, or it couldn't had arrived first to me < 1231968511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to spanning tree < 1231968514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would have been a pretty fast sopt even then < 1231968522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get out of order then < 1231968525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that way < 1231968706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Joel on Software. The site is read by thousands of programmers a month -- the ones who are so good at programming they have spare time at work to read the self-absorbed drivel I publish there." < 1231968712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, Joel is finally coming to a realization. < 1231968717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what it actually says? < 1231968724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1231968727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/how-hard-could-it-be-thanks-or-no-thanks_Printer_Friendly.html?partner=fogcreek < 1231968731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the article is, of course, drivel < 1231968870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is awful < 1231968876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically implementing an object system as a tied hash < 1231968879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then blessing it for nicer syntax < 1231968974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly cthulhu is the god involved here < 1231969091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't coerce array into hash at unl2c.pl line 66. < 1231969092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_____________________; < 1231969182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the array is not of the right format? < 1231969205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can coerce even an array of the wrong format into a hash, normally < 1231969210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it gives warnings < 1231969242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print $self->{delegates},"\n"; < 1231969242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foreach (@$self->{delegates}) { < 1231969243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1231969246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY(0x181c8b4) < 1231969248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an ARRAY reference at unl2c.pl line 15. < 1231969249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1231969251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1231969263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@{$self->{delegates}} < 1231969267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fail at operator precedence < 1231969278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. No, I think Perl does in that case < 1231969288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what should $$self->{delegates} do? < 1231969299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. shoot the programmer? < 1231969300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, claim with a straight face that @ and $ should have different precedences < 1231969325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is $$? < 1231969342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $ means lots of things < 1231969348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all to do with scalars < 1231969353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and $$? < 1231969358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a hash as a reference is deprecated at unl2c.pl line 94. < 1231969360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's two separate $s < 1231969362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what am I meant to do, retardoperl < 1231969366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :${%Object_proto}? < 1231969367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puh-leez < 1231969369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what are you trying to do? < 1231969370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1231969377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't dereference a hash, it isn't a pointer < 1231969381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's kind of complicated and it involves tied hashes. < 1231969382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like trying to dereference an int < 1231969382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FWIW, it works. < 1231969390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%Object_proto->{delegations} _actually works_ < 1231969394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not kidding < 1231969398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I just had an idea: a lisp language with list as the ONLY datatype, no integers no #t or #f, no strings < 1231969406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no floats < 1231969411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need atoms. < 1231969419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm why? < 1231969421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could hack them with a bunch of nils. < 1231969427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D < 1231969434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's no list in lisp < 1231969438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's cons cells and nil < 1231969443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you have two datatypes, right off the bat < 1231969447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right true, so cons and nil < 1231969451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no < 1231969461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how can I do %Object_proto->{data} without perl whining < 1231969463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cons, and instead of nil you have another node < 1231969465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the first one < 1231969478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you think about that? < 1231969481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's whining because that is deliberately deprecated < 1231969486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, exactly, are you trying to do? < 1231969494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've told you < 1231969497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tied hash < 1231969502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to access its internal object data. < 1231969512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the internal data as a key in the hash < 1231969513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _has_ to be a way without getting a warning < 1231969515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure of it < 1231969516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FAIL < 1231969519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the reccomended way < 1231969523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not how perl's code examples do it < 1231969528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to store it somewhere < 1231969529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also brittle if that key ever comes up in user code < 1231969530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you storing it? < 1231969531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well then you need pointer equality to be able to distinguish anything < 1231969534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, inside the hash's object < 1231969536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how tied hashes work < 1231969551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the hash's object" < 1231969553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the hash < 1231969553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a built in form? < 1231969556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope. < 1231969562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read perldoc perltie, plz < 1231969567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok I guess cons and nil then < 1231969570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait... is it tied to an object that is also a hash? < 1231969600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _everything_ would be x = (x . x) in structure otherwise < 1231969603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sortof < 1231969613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true < 1231969712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: googling implies that $Object_proto->{data} is equivalent < 1231969716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1231969716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure if I believe it < 1231969719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1231969725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the fact the original was working is a bug in the parser < 1231969747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that do the same thing? < 1231969751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna try in a sec < 1231969759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@foo[1..-1] is the list resulting the same except without the first element? < 1231969762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is -1 wrong < 1231969777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -1 is the last element < 1231969781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, 1.. works < 1231969786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah OK < 1231969788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't tried, I might have confused it with Haskell < 1231969789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global symbol "$Object_proto" requires explicit package name at unl2c.pl line 94. < 1231969800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just ask #perl and be shunned < 1231969802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so the Googling was wrong, I thought it looked fishy < 1231969815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:50 so... don't ask... but how can I use a hash as a reference in a way that doesn't cause perl to spew a warning at me? < 1231969829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i predict an answer involving "no warnings;" < 1231969833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "no strict;" or w/e < 1231969845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:50 ehird: no. < 1231969846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:50 mauke: but-but-but- < 1231969852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231969856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Object_proto{data} < 1231969858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:50 ehird: ....If it's spitting a warning out at you, you're doing it wrong < 1231969858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:51 bloo: probably. how do I do it right? < 1231969862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's wrong too < 1231969868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that mean something else? < 1231969870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a regular hash object < 1231969873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're equivalent on untied hashes, it seems < 1231969875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:51 perldoc perlreftut < 1231969875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:51 I think. < 1231969883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :April fools day idea: #perl stops being a haven for condescending idiots. < 1231969890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha! < 1231969919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -Mwarnings -Mstrict -e'my %a = ( a => 1); print %a->{a},"\n"' prints 1, for instance < 1231969922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, $Object_proto{data} works, which is a bug < 1231969933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not a bug at all < 1231969938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug in my code < 1231969939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I mean < 1231969940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're storing data inside the hash itself < 1231969943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1231969945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you would be, there was nowhere else < 1231969960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to figure out how to get the hash to give me access to a secret area of vip quality. < 1231969984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:52 ehird: Don't feel bad, some times I do shit in perl that shouldn't work but does < 1231970076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1231970077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsif (defined $obj->{_unknown}) { < 1231970078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @_ = (@_[0], $name, @_[1..]); < 1231970080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : goto &$obj->{_unknown}; < 1231970082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1231970096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of this code should work, but it does. < 1231970116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't that work? < 1231970128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splice on @_ would be more idiomatic than that, though < 1231970129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1231970137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, show them your whole file < 1231970138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1231970140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #perl < 1231970141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can never remember which arg to splice does what < 1231970162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also what about using the C API to do it in some strange way? < 1231970173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, and no < 1231970183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no at the second :( < 1231970200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want pure perl? < 1231970205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes it's okay < 1231970211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then why no at the first? < 1231970223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't _that_ crazy, just a bit fucked < 1231970237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1231970249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said a lot was _THAT_ crazy even < 1231970256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not mad, I'm a scientist!" < 1231970265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1231970276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sounds like mezzacotta? < 1231970296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the mezzacottan scientist ever said exactly that, but I might be wrong < 1231970314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, very possible < 1231970324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also have you checked the whole history XD < 1231970324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got pretty close < 1231970331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, I have quite a lot of mezzacotta backlog to catch up on < 1231970340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you made that joke first < 1231970349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1231970384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm why does the mezzacotta comic have scrollbars some days < 1231970386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange < 1231970393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistically speaking, nothing has been said yet, the combinatorial explosion is visible in natural language as well. < 1231970400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zooming in and then out removes it < 1231970429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SVG < 1231970436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes and? < 1231970438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use firefox < 1231970442 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1231970443 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1231970444 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1231970446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why shouldn't it display just fine inline < 1231970455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mention this earlier? if not i think someone else did < 1231970476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um? < 1231970486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what what? < 1231970492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sense someone mentioned scrollbars before < 1231970522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't see it, so it's something about how firefox displays them i guess < 1231970527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you mean "statistically speaking, nothing has been said yet, ..."? < 1231970540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, they only happens sometimes < 1231970548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what browser do you use? < 1231970553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE7 < 1231970554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well what percentage would you estimate has been said of all 10 word sentences for instance? < 1231970558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, poor you < 1231970563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll venture 0%, maybe negative. < 1231970586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think close to 0% < 1231970601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but positive < 1231970609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in fact the word ligwotnigafebrble has probably been mentioned only once < 1231970629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1231970635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that too, but i find that a less interesting observation. < 1231970661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make up any word of any length then the number of possible 10 word sentences is infinite < 1231970667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means some number / inf < 1231970674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what that ends up as < 1231970677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oerjan know? < 1231970681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1231970681 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231970684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1231970698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic probability < 1231970700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what sort if infinite is all possible words in all possible languages? < 1231970701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oerjan, btw < 1231970716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aleph-0? < 1231970723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the character set would be an issue < 1231970725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was reading the algo book, which for some reason introduces probabilities and shit in the last chapter < 1231970737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your measure theory explanation was pretty useful there < 1231970740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in "all possible" I said < 1231970759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are more than countably many possible characters, you get more than that < 1231970763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked about measuring probabilities in continuous sample spaces < 1231970772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is there? < 1231970791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the question even has meaning < 1231970807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just warning you i'll probably want another wikipedia lecture at some point! :P < 1231970856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some mathematical representation of "all possible languages" to even begin to answer it, but "all possible" might force you outside that... < 1231970871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a paradox < 1231970885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, owned by math < 1231970891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kicked your ass < 1231970987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well semantics more than math, perhaps < 1231971056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Why? < 1231971056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: Why not? < 1231971056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose yourself. < 1231971083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy with that < 1231971084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if we assume something more limited, such as something representable as a subset of the plane, you can limit it < 1231971091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then remains a single question: < 1231971122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beth-2 or less, i think) < 1231971124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? (no not why anything specific, but just a plain "why") < 1231971151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "beth-2"? < 1231971164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(2^aleph_0) < 1231971167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1231971253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pictures satisfying any kind of niceness requirement, that will probably drop to beth-1 < 1231971289 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1231971293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(closed sets, say) < 1231971296 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regard to your percentages < 1231971322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is 2^aleph_0? < 1231971324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold the newsreaders nose squarely, water, or friendly milk with countermand my trousers < 1231971329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beth-1 < 1231971347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beth-(n+1) = 2^(beth-n) < 1231971347 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiter** < 1231971351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I asked if 2^aleph_0 == beth-1 or not? < 1231971361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1231971380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1231971388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes read that as what < 1231971412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"that" as "what" < 1231971458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1231971477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what's countermand? < 1231971492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1231971493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/countermand < 1231971501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a real world word i didn't know. < 1231971506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is embarrassing. < 1231971512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1231971521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't make any sense in psygnisfive's sentence < 1231971521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did somewhat reverse-engineer it though < 1231971523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being a real word < 1231971544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, the rest of the sentence makes no sense either < 1231971558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you clearly have never seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQ2756cyD8 < 1231971562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, he insisted on correcting water < 1231971568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct, I can't access Youtube < 1231971586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame shame < 1231971592 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a hilarious little video < 1231971613 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1231971646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not? < 1231971669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no Flash < 1231971672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I want to install it < 1231971684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mplayer? < 1231971690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use youtube-dl < 1231971708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also where is ick's darcs atm? < 1231971714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on my hard drive < 1231971724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since eso-std.org went down, I've had nowhere to host it < 1231971724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, want some hosting for it? < 1231971733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful < 1231971758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc-bf would be too big with gcc source included however, but ick repo should be find < 1231971761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine* < 1231971763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me set it up < 1231971773 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1231971774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future < 1231971798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some crazy esolanger is going to geneer a sexually transmitted disease < 1231971806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it makes perfect sense when you s/with/will/ < 1231971808 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eso-std.org will have new meaning. < 1231971811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just letting you know. < 1231971841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, adduser want to know full name, I guess from a whois it is "(this is obviously not my real name)"? < 1231971849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1231971851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did originally too, but it didn't really parse < 1231971876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't any of you dare parse it now, i already failed once today. < 1231971905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late < 1231971929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the damn kids are getting off my lawn. < 1231971931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by lawn I mean server. < 1231971946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I need your public ssh key since password auth is turned off < 1231971950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got yourself thrown off? < 1231971971 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"'till morning" < 1231971972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1231971975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way psygnisfive < 1231971976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1231971978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video is muted < 1231971982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to copyright infringement :P < 1231971985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1231971992 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1231971995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, < 1231971999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, I need your public ssh key since password auth is turned off < 1231972003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I received < 1231972009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not the other way < 1231972011 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what?! its never been in the past < 1231972012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1231972017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im sure you can find another version < 1231972027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't muted < 1231972032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't send for some reason < 1231972032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in id_rsa.pub, isn't it? < 1231972040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1231972043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :January 2009: Youtube starts seriously getting rid of copyright infringements < 1231972043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in /msg < 1231972065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :February 2009: Youtube loses 90% of users < 1231972066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it's only january still? < 1231972088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is stunnered
< 1231972098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: another story time? :D < 1231972101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, stop timing out all the time < 1231972105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear no < 1231972113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1231972120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: received it yet? < 1231972125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this was a real world prediction < 1231972134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders wtf's up with their connection
< 1231972145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgf < 1231972150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 seconds to ping myself < 1231972157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it took AnMaster 30 seconds to ping me < 1231972186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't see any use for youtube except to see copyrighted shit. and most good shit is copyrighted < 1231972210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 how can I "temporarily untie" a var? < 1231972210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 without doing untie/tie < 1231972212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 the answer is "no" < 1231972216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl thinks they're really clever. < 1231972222 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1231972254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that more of a prolog answer, really? < 1231972282 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird what are you trying to do now?? < 1231972292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm implementing an OOP system in perl. shush < 1231972297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: simple, you use a localised typeglob, like we worked out in /msg < 1231972299 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah x.x < 1231972301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl.. x.x < 1231972303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no. < 1231972305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that. < 1231972307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work. < 1231972314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1231972329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said it did < 1231972337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/14advisory.html uhoh < 1231972373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH OH < 1231972380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steve is dying :O < 1231972382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo < 1231972384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1231972404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hes having problems with a meth addiction < 1231972406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, google muted the rick roll < 1231972411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :priceless < 1231972418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for being copyrighted? < 1231972420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 < 1231972420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1231972425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1231972434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was all an elaborate scheme leading to this < 1231972496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait apparently it isn't actually muted < 1231972501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1231972509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Flash is playing up... < 1231972526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ehird :) < 1231972530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right, you're just making up these muting stories so we'd get rickrolled by your link. < 1231972533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, seriously psygnisfive < 1231972537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's silent for me < 1231972538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1231972542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by playing up do you mean you accidentally had it muted yourself? ;) < 1231972547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1231972551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the volume is on full on it < 1231972553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this machine < 1231972558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't making any sound < 1231972558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh < 1231972564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU SAY SIR, SO YOU SAY. < 1231972569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what, astley has *other songs* too?!? < 1231972573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not lying okay psygnisfive < 1231972577 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol dont you have to go somewhere? < 1231972587 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: obviously not. you're lying poorly, ehird. POORLY! < 1231972591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well sleep. < 1231972598 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well. sleep, feh. < 1231972600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: STOP IT I HATE NOT BEING BELIEVED WHEN I'M NOT LYING >__< < 1231972601 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just drink some coffee. < 1231972618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stop hating it and i'll stop not believing you. < 1231972622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i actually won't. < 1231972638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl sux < 1231972642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i love it < 1231972643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sux. < 1231972655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1231972655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to apply that to new exciting contexts. < 1231972692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four weeks after birthing a nationwide Wikipedia edit ban, Britain's child porn blacklist has led at least one ISP to muzzle the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine - an 85 billion page web history dating back to 1996. < 1231972695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/facepalm < 1231972703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM, thank god < 1231972714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this now? < 1231972716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo guys where should I escape to from this hellhole? < 1231972718 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1231972721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Tor < 1231972724 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brits arent allowed to edit wiki anymore? < 1231972726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourced from a different country < 1231972728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: only for a bit < 1231972731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1231972732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't an aren't allowed < 1231972734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats insane < 1231972750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, what happened was that lots of ISPs used proxies to implement the blacklist < 1231972755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :routing all the traffic from the UK through about 6 IPs < 1231972766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "How can I escape from Oceania?" "Talk in pig latin!" < 1231972769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would wikipedia and the wayback machine have anything to do with child porn?! < 1231972779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pignewspeak < 1231972786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which meant that there was no way to distinguish legitimate users from vandals < 1231972791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer < 1231972791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the UK got blocked by mistake a lot < 1231972795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the page that was blocked < 1231972797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, what ais523 < 1231972797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened to Qatar once < 1231972798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said < 1231972801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the edit block < 1231972808 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oubleday usplay ungooday < 1231972814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't cope well with entire countries having only a few IPs < 1231972838 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, so what you mean ais is not that BRITAIN banned people from editting WIKI < 1231972849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called wikipedia < 1231972851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather britain implemented measures that made it impossible for wiki to verify idents < 1231972862 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which resulted in non-editting privs only < 1231972862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and all brits got banned by mistake every now and then < 1231972863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys i'm thinking like, Norway? < 1231972869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok < 1231972872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting :o < 1231972875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's it in Norway with yer civil liberties, and your fjords? < 1231972883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the limit that only 6 users could register per IP per day made it rather hard for everyone to log in < 1231972897 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FJORDS < 1231972909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1231972926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :americans seem to have an enormously difficult time pronouncing things that look, at first, like they're foreign < 1231972933 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consonant+j for instance < 1231972967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. tokyo. toh-key-oh < 1231972993 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not as tho english doesnt have the sequence "ky" /kj/ as it is < 1231973032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once heard an american say "bjarnum" as "buh-jar-num" because she couldnt get the bj right < 1231973042 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even tho english has the bj sequence! < 1231973045 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1231973046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : she couldnt get the bj right < 1231973052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its true < 1231973058 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use your tongue < 1231973063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move it around just right you know < 1231973102 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in circles around the head of the cock, you see. < 1231973208 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1231973243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the fjords are nice < 1231973254 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjords are cool < 1231973262 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not really sure what fjords ARE, but they're cool < 1231973319 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1231973331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a long narrow inlet with steep sides, created by glacial activity < 1231973331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway does have a cp blacklist though afair < 1231973332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh! < 1231973615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1231973627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1231973785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmmm < 1231973789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kill me i hate perl < 1231973990 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird why are you doing this in perl? < 1231973998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i want to, psygnisfive < 1231974015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it would be far too easy in anything else < 1231974210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reference found where even-sized list expected at unl2c.pl line 61. < 1231974211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1231974294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so. < 1231974478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not really what i meant but ok :) < 1231974503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: < 1231974503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1231974508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is fun < 1231974510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eso. < 1231974516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl isnt eso < 1231974518 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its mainstream < 1231974521 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its ugly < 1231974529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mainstream, but it's eso < 1231974531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not ugly < 1231974538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way in which it might be eso is in its ugliness < 1231974542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uselessness < 1231974547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I glean from your past two lines is that you're the typical ruby fanatic who's never used perl but dislikes it anyway < 1231974550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait a second, you are! < 1231974557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive used perl, thanks. < 1231974563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. sure you have. < 1231974576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im not really a ruby fanatic. its just convenient for me to dev in < 1231974586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im more of a scheme fanatic. :P < 1231974589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you pick up the argument from here I lost interest. < 1231974608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's too late, I need to go home very soon < 1231974617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO DEFEND PERL < 1231974652 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird theres no argument < 1231974656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont like perl < 1231974676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't talk about my usage of it < 1231974692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was merely wondering why you were doing this with perl < 1231974803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ais523 < 1231974806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nicer way to phrase this < 1231974818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@{[$foo, @{$bar}]} < 1231974823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where $bar is an arrayref and $foo is a hash < 1231974831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :($foo, $bar) makes it a hash < 1231974834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1231974835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*@$bar < 1231974840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess (@$bar, $foo) might work < 1231974844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the wrong way around :p < 1231974848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :($foo, $bar) isn't intrinsically either a hash or an array, I think < 1231974883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... I want a hash < 1231974884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1231974885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me < 1231974915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return %{$self->{data}}, map {%$_} @{$self->{delegations}}; < 1231974918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a bad person? < 1231974920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1231975137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns a reference to the object underlying VARIABLE (the same value that was originally returned by the tie call that bound the variable to a package.) Returns the undefined value if VARIABLE isn't tied to a package. < 1231975139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA!! < 1231975568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1231976392 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1231976497 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1231976983 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1231977845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1231978242 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1231985272 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Blue squares floting about..." < 1231985411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1231985512 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1231992973 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232002726 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-57-231.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232003410 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232003886 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232006399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232006400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232006614 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232009998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232010022 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232010059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how did the OO stuff work out? < 1232010091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232014707 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232015135 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232021658 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232021855 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232025431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1232025448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if anyone claims I'm an hour late on that, I'll mumble something about time zones, or DST, or something.) < 1232025461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time dilation. works for me. < 1232025463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1232025487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... RL business is annoying < 1232025494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when it involves VHDL < 1232025497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I like VHDL < 1232025579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, RL _business_ is annoying < 1232025593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accounting, cash flow problems, that sort of thing. < 1232025602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if busyness is a real word? < 1232025609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if business is actually the way it's spelt < 1232025620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but agreed, both meanings are pretty annoying < 1232025656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/busyness has it < 1232025766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entry on business claims it's archaic to use it to mean "busyness" < 1232026238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED lists 'business': "I. State or quality of being busy. (Cf. the adj.) -- (These senses are all obs., but some of them occur as nonce-words with special spelling BUSYNESS, and trisyllabic pronunciation.)" < 1232026414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ul ((\ul )SaSaS(:^)S)((^ul )SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1232026432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I expect that to run, gunfot isn't here < 1232026437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still like looking at it < 1232026464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232026471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232027395 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232027567 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232028048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232030487 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232031416 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232032096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql_connect() Connects to a MySQL server (this function is deprecated; use mysql_real_connect() instead) < 1232032097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232032101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting naming scheme < 1232032116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they find out they need a third version of the call in the future? < 1232032145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql_very_real_connect()? mysql_surreal_connect()? < 1232032151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql_actually_connect_this_time < 1232032161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232032176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang is that function in? < 1232032185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, The C API for mysql < 1232032196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ehird: 1232032186 seconds. < 1232032198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232032204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232032207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although something's up with that pingtime < 1232032209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1232032212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1232032214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ping me like hours ago? < 1232032218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I was offline, and I guess my bouncer phailed at ponging < 1232032219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's more than hours < 1232032223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's years, or so < 1232032227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232032241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably my bouncer decided to play tricks with you < 1232032242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pinged you when offline, and got an away message < 1232032244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh btw postgres' API works better for this: PGconn *PQconnectdb(const char *conninfo); <-- conninfo is a key=value space separated options string < 1232032245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, when you came online your bouncer ponged me back, but with the wrong number < 1232032247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1232032248 0 :MigoMipo!n=kvirc@84-217-2-126.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232032257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlite uses _v2 _v3 and so on < 1232032273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: key=value string isn't really very Cy < 1232032274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my object system is >100 lines and it still doesn't work properly yet < 1232032277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... C-ey < 1232032280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1232032282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-like < 1232032289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, but easier to add new features too < 1232032290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MYSQL *mysql_real_connect(MYSQL *mysql, const char *host, const char *user, const char *passwd, const char *db, unsigned int port, const char *unix_socket, unsigned long client_flag)" < 1232032290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I have a tied hash that delegates to other objects, that you bless with a proxy object. < 1232032303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, true, but easier to add new features too < 1232032310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't berkley sockets teach you anything? < 1232032312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structs < 1232032317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I agree < 1232032336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, berkeley sockets _is_ awful, but it is very C < 1232032364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I was tired while printf debugging yesterday < 1232032364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print"yo, ... in da klub ;-)\n"; < 1232032401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you guys ever are coding perl < 1232032402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think < 1232032406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ooh, I could solve this with a tied hash nicely" < 1232032407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1232032408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill yourself < 1232032418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way better than the alternative < 1232032477 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232032481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MySQL's C API make very little sense. Compared to PostgreSQL and SQLite APIs < 1232032493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql makes little sense. < 1232032496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql makes little sense. < 1232032499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relational model makes little sense. < 1232032519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed for the first. And well SQL does have problems, but I have yet to see something widespread that is better < 1232032533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :widespread is quite irrelevant. < 1232032540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SQL, amusingly, isn't even relational-model-sane. < 1232032546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true it isn't < 1232032562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codd%27s_12_rules < 1232032572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that system must use its relational facilities (exclusively)" < 1232032574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding, mysql fails 1 < 1232032582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All information in the database is to be represented in one and only one way, namely by values in column positions within rows of tables." < 1232032587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding, i'm almost certain mysql provides other ways < 1232032588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232032603 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232032617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean like views? < 1232032618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[All views that are theoretically updatable must be updatable by the system. ]] < 1232032623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if mysql does this < 1232032630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql probably does < 1232032635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, whatever < 1232032637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody implements SQL < 1232032639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql isn't relational < 1232032641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql less so < 1232032644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, these aren't SQL rules < 1232032647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are relational rules < 1232032647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh writable views, hm I know SQLite docs says it is one of the missing features in SQLite < 1232032650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by the guy who invented the model < 1232032660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL fails a lot of thme < 1232032662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MySQL fails even more < 1232032666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232032669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best part is that the relational model isn't even good < 1232032671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fail at failing,. < 1232032699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be funny was if MySQL failed in a way that made it better than correct SQL. Sadly it doesn't do that < 1232032726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the irony of missing irony < 1232032839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "All information in the database is to be represented in one and only one way, namely by values in column positions within rows of tables." <-- apart from views and stored procedures, the only way I could think of would be that the result can be fetched both by column position in the result and by column name < 1232032846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sql in general < 1232032856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if mysql provides other ways? < 1232032869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?$// < 1232033357 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232033460 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=kvirc@84-217-7-102.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232033489 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232033686 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232034416 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-102-167.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232035161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR < 1232035162 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232035162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TARBOMB < 1232035170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers writing a script that checks for tarbombs and contains them
< 1232035177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why didn't you untar it in a separate directory/ < 1232035187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because normally I assume people aren't bozo < 1232035188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232035209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's often an unsafe assumption < 1232035216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it keeps me sane < 1232035691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers writing a lisp parser that mirrors the structure of the lisp it's parsing.
< 1232035747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, someone complained that jquery's api docs don't work with noscript. < 1232036033 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232036059 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tone down the nerd humor, I'm back < 1232036079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why should the API docs require JavaScript to read? < 1232036083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a valid complaint < 1232036093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I often load up API docs in w3m whilst programming < 1232036093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a _javascript api_ < 1232036103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're programming something with javascript, you have javascript enabled to test it < 1232036110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but that's in your test window < 1232036117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in your text editor window < 1232036122 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complaint is valid to a degree... but funny anyway < 1232036134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a good thing the jquery api docs isn't text editor-integrated, then < 1232036169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it isn't < 1232036179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant for the example you gave. < 1232036179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with most API docs, I can work around using a tabbed shell, or with Emacs < 1232036195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I use a text editor to edit text, not look up apis,. < 1232036195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why API docs should arbitrarily prevent themselves being loaded in a text editor < 1232036197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or play tetris. < 1232036205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I don't use my editor for Tetris < 1232036212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looking up APIs is a pretty sensible use for them < 1232036215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone does, because it's in the base distribution < 1232036218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Microsoft does that, with Intellisense < 1232036230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft does it" is not a way to convince me something is a good idea. < 1232036243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, pretty much every editor does nowadays < 1232036247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even vi has syntax higlighting < 1232036257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is API lookup fundamentally different from syntax higlighting? < 1232036264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the things needed when programming, unless you have a perfect memory < 1232036268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi does not have syntax highlighting, as far as I know. < 1232036269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim does. < 1232036273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1232036280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vim is essentially emacs-- < 1232036297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but M-x man and M-x perldoc are commands I use all the time when programming < 1232036300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the language < 1232036301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, syntax highlighting is tied fundamentally to the editor < 1232036309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :API docs aren't < 1232036316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they are very involved with the editor < 1232036324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like doing a lot of cut/paste/search, or retyping < 1232036339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the VHDL I'm editing atm, I type for and I get an entire generate-for statement template < 1232036343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in VHDL is not trivial to write by hand < 1232036346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an api document < 1232036348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just snippets < 1232036351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232036355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APIs are similar, though < 1232036357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1232036360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to look up which argument's which < 1232036362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why so many people apparently don't have a desktop environment < 1232036363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't remember < 1232036379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, um, _designed_ for passing information between programs concurrently < 1232036397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why pass the information when you can use it without passing? < 1232036405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use the mouse for API lookups, by any chance? < 1232036426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I generally don't need API lookups < 1232036469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I use the mouse for pinpointing both precise pieces on the screen that would be tedious to access with a keyboard, and large fuzzy areas which would also be tedious with a keyboard < 1232036477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., input field focusing, text selection, window selection < 1232036478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Mac OS X, I'm surprised that things like API lookups aren't integrated the same way as spell-checkers < 1232036488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably are if you use xcode. I don't < 1232036508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: doesn't that make it silly for jquery's API to require JavaScript, then? < 1232036519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm writing jquery-using code at home without Internet access? < 1232036527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you download the api. < 1232036532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that require JS? < 1232036533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docs < 1232036540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it uses adobe air or some shit < 1232036545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I am saying is: < 1232036557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't bad for the _web version_ of a _javascript api's_ documentation to require javascript < 1232036565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1232036575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad for the web version of /anything/ to _require_ javascript if possible < 1232036580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstrating JS, ok < 1232036589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other things should fallback gracefully, even if they're very JS-related < 1232036604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you think it bad for the web version of the Java API to require Java? < 1232036612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't, by the way) < 1232036619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: java isn't inherently web based. jQuery is. < 1232036625 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the real world javascript is available everywhere.. < 1232036634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've written non-web-based computer games in JavaScript < 1232036641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wouldn't use jquery for it. < 1232036647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which were entirely client side, and required copy and paste for saving < 1232036650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I wouldn't < 1232036657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just my personal preferences < 1232036657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, entirely client side: so it used html? < 1232036660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1232036667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:/// to an HTML counts as the web, imo. < 1232036681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the lack of any CGI support influenced things somewhat < 1232036684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: yes, some people choose to castrate their browser because of their tin foil hats < 1232036687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web normally had that < 1232036694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not just tin foil hats < 1232036706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid all sorts of annoying things that people normally use JS for is at least as valid a reason < 1232036723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop going to those sites < 1232036732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where this mass of annoying JS sites are, because I never come across them. < 1232036737 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1232036740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you use an ad-blocker? < 1232036747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1232036750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much any random non-tech news site will have annoying JS-based adverts < 1232036760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from reputable ones < 1232036770 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using reputable ones then? < 1232036772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the sites I go's ads are inconspicuous and ignorable. the ones that have annoying ones, I DON'T GO TO THOSE SITES! < 1232036782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I go to a site that evidently has no respect for me at all? < 1232036784 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reputable ones has flash based ads instead < 1232036786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't. < 1232036794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, they may still have useful content, I just show no respect for them either < 1232036805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printable versions, adblock, etc are fair game against them < 1232036822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get the useful content somewhere that doesn't enjoy pounding me with a giant mass of ads < 1232036898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you always? < 1232036908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BancSTAR page has annoying JS ads, for instance < 1232036911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know of any copies of it < 1232036932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2266/tarpit/bancstar.html < 1232036933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no ads. < 1232036947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: top-right < 1232036954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain must have just got good at filtering them out < 1232036956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1232036959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're hallucinating. < 1232036959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or your browser < 1232036968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even send you a screenshot if you like < 1232036972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at html source.
< 1232036983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the ad uses . < 1232036989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's so old Safari can't run it. < 1232036992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine by me. < 1232037020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens in Konqueror out of interest
< 1232037035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, no ad in Konq < 1232037048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a WebKit vs. Gecko/Trident thing < 1232037059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I used to use an ad blocker. But the web looks nicer without it: tasteful ads are placed into page layouts in a way that makes it look like an odd unbalance if you block them. < 1232037060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm almost convinced the ad shows in IE, or they'd never have put it there) < 1232037193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just the regular geocities ad? < 1232037202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, yeah, that's annoying. But it has a close button at the top, < 1232037288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No pasting, not even "only one line" -- #perl topic < 1232037293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you can't put single lines in #per < 1232037294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1232037314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, they even got rid of gumbyBRAIN. I liked that bot. < 1232037317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl sux < 1232037456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232037573 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And enabling Javascript is a security risk. Especially if you browse nonreputable sites or sites containing certain (very common) kinds of external ads... < 1232037622 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232037644 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus some sites do quite nasty-looking stuff with javascript. < 1232037662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: 1) Don't go to those sites. 2) Really, like what? < 1232037686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only vaguely scary thing I have seen done with JS is aza raskin's socialhistory.js, and that's just a _bug_, really... plus it isn't even really practical < 1232037711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: unclosable websites? < 1232037731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, do people here just browse serial key sites all day? < 1232037733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really what it sounds like < 1232037759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm thinking more malicious links < 1232037772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lik < 1232037773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232037862 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232037876 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Don't go to those sites" extends to sites like Youtube (selective javascript blocking capabilities of Noscript come handy there)? < 1232037886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go to Youtube at all < 1232037894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Flash installed, for one < 1232037896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: umm, what annoying things does youtube do with js? < 1232037929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: play videos < 1232037950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we know you dislike youtube. < 1232037952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking Ilari. < 1232037967 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Youtube was given as example where Javascript does bad things to security (even if you trust Youtube). Some other sites do annoying things with js. < 1232037978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bad things to security"? < 1232037984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This vagueness is not very interesting < 1232038009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pretty much any browser is less secure with Flash enabled than without < 1232038019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-platform critical vulnerabilities pop up every now and then < 1232038025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this relates to JS, though < 1232038026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thannnk you. Go away. I'm talking about JavaScript. Stop talking about how much youtube sucks... < 1232038041 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't have flash installed either... :-) < 1232038065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, I don't even miss YouTube < 1232038075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a TV at home, but rarely use it < 1232038101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Have Flash Installed < 1232038110 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232038144 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Javascript does bad things to security/where having Javascript unconditionally enabled degrades security/ < 1232038159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I recall asking for examples... < 1232038163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also recall not getting them < 1232038185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Clickjacking? < 1232038202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate < 1232038211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: basically it consists of using JS and iframes < 1232038216 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some website that does not use javascript has a bug that allows anyone to insert malicious content ... for example a javascript that makes you do something on that site (submit form whatever) that does harm to you in some way < 1232038234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: no, not that, that's something else < 1232038240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's xss. < 1232038245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I agree that can be a problem, JS security normally avoids that nowadays < 1232038249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xss is the fault of incompetent server-side developers < 1232038256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who don't check for the origin of such requests < 1232038262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have to admit that XSS is blocked completely by turning off JS, though < 1232038272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232038281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't get viruses if you turn off your computer! < 1232038284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, XSS is caused by incompetent website designers; but likewise, browser security holes are caused by incompetent browser designers < 1232038291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to strike a balance somewhere < 1232038336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... irrelevant to the current argument, but http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/836068 looks interesting < 1232038345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old. < 1232038353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody competent has used md5 for years, anyway. < 1232038354 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine external Javascript and nasty stuff JS can do (and I'm not talking about trying-to-run-malware-nasty), and it can get real nasty. < 1232038354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's within the last 3 weeks < 1232038370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 has been known imperfect for a while, but that's the first practical exploitation of it I've seen < 1232038372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hypotheticals are amusing. are you unable to provide examples? < 1232038381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I was going to explain clickjacking < 1232038404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickjacking does it better than I could, though, probably < 1232038430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's a browser bug < 1232038452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in what way would you suggest modifying browsers to avoid it without losing functionality? < 1232038464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I prefer not to assume my browser is 100% bugfree, even though it isn't IE < 1232038476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not let sites interact with embedded pages on other sites < 1232038483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is already done to a large degree < 1232038494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just another aspect that has to be stopped, simple enough... < 1232038534 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how is clickjacking a browser bug < 1232038551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, I point out that JS adverts are exactly the sort of thing that might do that sort of thing < 1232038558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it isn't an "other site" < 1232038564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: they allow a site to cause an interaction with an embedded component on another site in a way that hasn't been accounted for < 1232038571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"another site"? < 1232038583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's an interaction between a website and its own adverts? < 1232038590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-domain scripting rules. < 1232038592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are hosted there, but haven't been properly checked for security < 1232038597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you mean cross-domain? < 1232038602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a website and its own adverts" < 1232038614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and please don't tell me all advert-loading is done from external servers < 1232038619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I admit quite a bit of it is < 1232038641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll continue this conversation when it takes a turn that doesn't consist of me stating why things can be easily fixed and you asking about every trivial term I'm using that someone talking about browser security should know about < 1232038668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not saying I don't understand what "cross-domain" means < 1232038675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that this will not always be cross-domain in practice < 1232038676 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then you might fix the wikipedia page which states it isn't a browser bug < 1232038679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're assuming it is for some reason < 1232038703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a site causes a user to delete all the mail they host in the same site, umm, that's the site's fault < 1232038712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it still affects the user < 1232038713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could easily do it by, you know, just automatically deleting them < 1232038723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your problem seems to be that you're assuming all the websites you use are 100% perfect < 1232038726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on < 1232038727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1232038737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, the advertising division of a website != the content division < 1232038749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they both put more or less their own stuff on the same page < 1232038751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the advertising devision hates the mail devision < 1232038758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advertising division is often relatively easily tricked by outsiders < 1232038759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wants users to delete all their mail via their ads < 1232038768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were quite a few adverts spreading Storm, recently, for instance < 1232038779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ad people are 100% perfect, no problem < 1232038795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, they're quite easily persuaded to do something obnoxious by $EVIL_HACKER < 1232038812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ends up impacting the mail website as a whole and deleting all your mail < 1232038831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might say this is unlikely, but IIRC Storm spread via a combination of those methods and exploiting flaws in IE) < 1232038875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: anyway, it seems clickjacking was even used to change the Flash privacy settings to turn on webcam and microphone < 1232038890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't even XSS, or crossdomain, that's affecting local programs on the user's computer < 1232038903 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some sites are probably hosted on computers that are a lot better hardened than the ad servers they reference to via Javascript includes. < 1232038905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a flash bug. < 1232038911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are talking JS. < 1232038919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a combination-of-JS-and-Flash bug < 1232038947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree. < 1232038947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... can JS in a tab focus a different tab? < 1232038951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, obviously, window.close < 1232038968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, an evil site can reposition your mouse pointer then close the tab just as it thinks you're about to click < 1232038979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you click over something dangerous on the tab you visited just before it < 1232038990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit unlikely, I suppose, but stranger things have been exploited < 1232039016 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like those file upload control exploits? < 1232039025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1232039032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't thinking of those, but it's a similar idea < 1232039039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those definitely are browser bugs, though < 1232039047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way should a file upload box be under website control < 1232039096 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still possible to sniff auto fill in data using JS? (i think it isn't) but that would be a browser bug too... < 1232039138 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. IIRC, Firefox 2 is vulernable to those exploits. Firefox 3 prevents them by preventing user from editing file upload control path directly. Konqueror isn't vulernable because it prompts before uploading. < 1232039160 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was to ais523 < 1232039227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using auto fill-in data is probably a bug in the user. < 1232039237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yep, old bug, IIRC they fixed both Mozilla (and Firefox by extension) and Safari before it got publically announced < 1232039237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232039244 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232039248 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a usefull feature and can be implemented securely < 1232039257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: which feature? < 1232039257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it should be user-triggered < 1232039263 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: auto form fillin < 1232039264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of filling in forms just like that < 1232039271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to click, fill in this form < 1232039284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: or it could fill in the form but mark the form as auto filled and unaccesable by scripts < 1232039288 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think that is how it is done < 1232039297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug :P < 1232039302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could also mess up JS form validation < 1232039305 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least ff 3 marks the filled in forms in yellow until you check them < 1232039313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: JS form validation is ridiculous < 1232039318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should be repeated server-side, at least < 1232039325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated server side: no shit < 1232039330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be generated from a model in both cases < 1232039332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having it client-side to warn users slightly earlier is possibly helpful, but dubious < 1232039337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's really helpful < 1232039345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it all the time, oops, I messed up that field, so I fix it < 1232039347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of doing the whole form < 1232039349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submitting < 1232039351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting 10 errors < 1232039353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing them < 1232039356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now I have 3 errors < 1232039360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it works < 1232039366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, if you're auto-filling invalid data < 1232039378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a problem, and the extra 2 seconds it takes for server-side validation won't really hurt you < 1232039380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're auto-filling data that is probably valid < 1232039384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :websites may disagree. < 1232039516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they can disagree server-side < 1232039521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than messing up your UI < 1232039527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as if that happens very often < 1232039530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'messing up your ui', wtf < 1232039534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, have an HTTP response code < 1232039538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ending this conversation because it's ridiculous. < 1232039540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1232039543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "this data is invalid" < 1232039551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the browser knows something went wrong with the auto-fill < 1232039554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is outside of http's jurisdiction. < 1232039557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ending this conversation because it's ridiculous. < 1232039558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not so sure < 1232039562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ending this conversation because it's ridiculous. < 1232039584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you've been doing a lot of arbitrarily declaring things ridiculous recently < 1232039611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome. but I've never convinced you of anything, and vice-versa < 1232039657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1232039664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1232040177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=javascript is a list of JS-related security bugs that have been found, btw < 1232040185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some more serious and more JS-related than others, obviously < 1232040189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software has bugs < 1232040192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unsurprising < 1232040200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232040203 0 :MigoMipo!n=kvirc@84-217-7-102.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232040219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just surprised that you claim that JS-blocking isn't a good idea, as a result < 1232041803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232041863 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232042551 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys < 1232042568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah_ < 1232042570 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old is the oldest machine, theoretical or otherwise, with stacks? < 1232042586 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in a wondery mood < 1232042619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it's before or after the Turing Machine
< 1232042634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose steam engines had cooling stacks, but that probably isn't what you meant < 1232042640 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1232042655 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there prolly isn't a lot before the TM. < 1232042661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldest machine? < 1232042668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: oldest machine with stacks < 1232042678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably the TM had two, but it wasn't described like that < 1232042681 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tm isn't a machine < 1232042683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, pushing one popped the other < 1232042704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's a theoretical machine < 1232042704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Slereah_ specifically allowed < 1232042705 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's a stupid question < 1232042708 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood : Yes it is < 1232042710 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right in the name! < 1232042738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come every finn uses iki.fi < 1232042747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it's a good server? < 1232042747 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communism. < 1232042752 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only have one ISP. < 1232042767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232042770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not an isp < 1232042774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it forwards URLs and emails < 1232042781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. iki.fi/deewiant goes to users.tkk.fi/blahblahblah < 1232042900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :query AnMaster < 1232042906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... < 1232042913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :query fbi < 1232042915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard that < 1232042922 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232042922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdcc send horse_porn.avi < 1232042923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1232042926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to open a /query with AnMaster to look at my /query logs with him < 1232042959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1232042964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232042970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: checking what that rsync command was < 1232042978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232043215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, seems the C-INTERCAL repo is back in business < 1232043218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://envbot.kuonet.org/~ais523/c-intercal/_darcs/pristine/ for the file tree < 1232043225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://envbot.kuonet.org/~ais523/c-intercal/ for darcs download < 1232043928 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Wonder what kind of class would language with no backward jumps allowed, only looping linear in values and with bignums plus builtin hyper operator present... < 1232043939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: like? < 1232043964 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any examples of such language. It would be obiviously sub-TC... < 1232043975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in moar practical terms? :D < 1232044027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: isn't that BLooP-class? < 1232044049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to have a bloop-alike, without the explicit specification < 1232044154 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus of course associative tables for storing data during processing. < 1232044186 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Got URL? Googling turns up lots of unrelated links... < 1232044253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlooP_and_FlooP < 1232044258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Gödel, Escher, Bach < 1232044288 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such language could express function that would have f(1) = 1, f(2) = 4, f(3) = g64 , f(4) = < 1232044310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(4) = A(g64,g64) < 1232044311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232044376 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know how f(4) and A(g64,g64) relate to each other and which is bigger. But one thing is sure: They are both really huge even compared to g64. < 1232044388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this f? < 1232044408 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't any function theoretically able to be defined like that? < 1232044418 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could just define it as a primitive < 1232044541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this, you ask? We like weasels. You like weasels. Everyone likes weasels. Our mission: to send weasels wherever people like weasels. And that means everywhere. < 1232044541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weasel Trek has shipped fifteen plush weasels to hosts all over the world to be photographed, given a taste of local culture, and then sent on to another who shares the weasel way. < 1232044544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weaseltrek.com/ < 1232044617 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232044621 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one :( < 1232044634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice the plush at first < 1232044646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading their about I was thinking, wtf, you can buy weasels from ikea? What? < 1232044673 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 times recursed Conway arrow with variable values on sides, starting from four arrows. With x=3, it produces Graham's number. < 1232044678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pW7opOMStZk Skydiving weasel < 1232044684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232045147 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that language would be more powerful than BlooP, as BlooP expresses functions that are primitive-recursive, but that language could express A(m,n), which is not primitive recursive. < 1232045627 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232046690 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232047517 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@92.139.163.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232048324 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232048444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere docs the pcm format :( < 1232048570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiiiiiii < 1232048699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register int *esp __asm__("%esp"); < 1232048701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually works < 1232048702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cool is that? < 1232049027 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232049213 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.wotsit.org/list.asp?search=pcm < 1232049251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where neitherresult was the right one < 1232049268 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcm seems to be part of riff < 1232049307 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) Format < 1232049321 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 3489 of the first document < 1232049334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: iki.fi also offers DNS so that the address of your site can be foo.iki.fi < 1232049346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: why does everyone use it? < 1232049354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it works? < 1232049364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: because there are no monthly/yearly payments. < 1232049366 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not "everyone" uses it :-P < 1232049371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the initial joiningment thing. < 1232049374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, why not just link to a uri like the rest of the world. < 1232049381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of PAYING for a url redirection service < 1232049385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because if your stuff moves your old URLs don't work. < 1232049400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the world solves that by, um, not doing that. < 1232049401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 'iki' is search for 'ikuinen' meaning 'permanent' < 1232049404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy sedes. < 1232049406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swedes < 1232049410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you change your ISP, what're you going to do < 1232049413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, technically we have purl.org < 1232049416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not host pages on my isp < 1232049424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: damn straight < 1232049430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what if I have no other hosting option < 1232049432 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: +free < 1232049439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being a cheap bum :) < 1232049440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232049461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1232049463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corth.c:12: warning: ‘noreturn’ function does return < 1232049465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shut up gcc < 1232049483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "noreturn" i mean DON'T GENERATE A FREAKING "ret" INSTRUCTION < 1232049502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put assert (false) at the end < 1232049509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work? ha < 1232049516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1232049517 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1232049527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specced to work in D where assert is a language construct :-P < 1232049539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well, it makes sense for gcc to be complaining because i'm trying to tell it main() doesn't return < 1232049558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I clobber the stack in this program so I use the genius solution of "Don't ever, ever return, or call functions") < 1232049590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it still buts a ret in there but doesn't complain < 1232049596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries asm("hlt") instead
< 1232049603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: even with -O2? < 1232049608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/3 < 1232049620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Os would be more likely to do something ther < 1232049639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hlt < 1232049639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : popl %ebp < 1232049640 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget that one exists :-P < 1232049641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ret < 1232049643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gcc fail < 1232049650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch to D < 1232049651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: illegal hardware instruction ./a.out < 1232049654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-) < 1232049659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm writing a forth. That would be dumb :D < 1232049663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register int *esp asm("%esp"); < 1232049663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PUSHL(x) asm("pushl %0" : : "r"(x) : "%esp") < 1232049668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be dumb? :-P < 1232049669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is CRAZY LAND < 1232049681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register, heh < 1232049689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if GCC ignores that < 1232049802 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why use the hardware stack? < 1232049806 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocate your own on the heap < 1232049808 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1232049822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: is that BLAZING FAST and CRAZY?! < 1232049823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1232049835 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you writing it in C even? < 1232049901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: because I'm too incompetent to write asm < 1232049909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are using asm < 1232049913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only partly :P < 1232049919 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1232049930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, you get a bus error if you don't ret < 1232049932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from main < 1232049947 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, how much slower can your own stack be? < 1232049958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.01ms < 1232049972 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less < 1232049994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00001ms < 1232050007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 2 cycles < 1232050022 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 3 < 1232050034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232050041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly unacceptable < 1232050093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's less than 0.00001 ms :-P < 1232050102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0000000000000000000000001ms < 1232050103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly unacceptable < 1232050111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than that though < 1232050119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 planck time < 1232050121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly unacceptable < 1232050165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, calling library functions is so ugly in C < 1232050169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in asm :P < 1232050170 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232050186 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 × 10**-9 seconds at 2 ghz < 1232050253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0.0000015ms < 1232050256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly unacceptable < 1232050335 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhuh < 1232050341 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write a forth < 1232050345 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be faster than yours < 1232050396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__< < 1232050573 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh i should write a dc < 1232050592 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love dc < 1232050895 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would using gmp be cheating? < 1232051401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232051408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it as a string manipulation routine < 1232051526 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232051532 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232052156 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1232052212 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232052295 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232053462 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232057803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:11 <[TEHb]> Guys, help me pls :-) < 1232057803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:11 <[TEHb]> I need help < 1232057805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12 <[TEHb]> I have not eaten for three days < 1232057810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is the correct place for advice on this matter < 1232057835 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time to learn postscript! < 1232057840 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good tutorial? < 1232057876 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys i just wrote a goto < 1232057879 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this bad y/n < 1232057881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1232057886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1232057894 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1232057895 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad if you have to ask. < 1232057907 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232057907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotos are _awesome_ < 1232057913 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232057918 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed gotos are awesome < 1232057924 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, gcc supports them < 1232057936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: how do computed gotos work? < 1232057946 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll show you < 1232057947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you can pass around goto pointers. < 1232057948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go to them. < 1232057961 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232057964 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a computed goto < 1232057967 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1232057969 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still rock: < 1232057971 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/m32bb5f < 1232057980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that awesome? < 1232057990 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this might only work on 32bit x86 < 1232058029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: that's not a computed goto. < 1232058037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that IS confusing as fuck < 1232058046 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1232058048 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1232058054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get those constants in the array? < 1232058063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're x86 machine code < 1232058087 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nawothnig@perez:~$ ./leet < 1232058087 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 9e 37 d5 31 14 30 c3 < 1232058091 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a quine. somewhat. < 1232058105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endianquine < 1232058106 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(byteorder is reversed) < 1232058299 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so, unless your program looks like mine you should restructure it < 1232058484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can't figure out this bug < 1232058505 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :packets are beinng lost again < 1232058505 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1232058529 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will finally get my own line on tuesday < 1232058681 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate bugs < 1232060223 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232060836 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232061129 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i exponentiate in postscript? < 1232061358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with luv < 1232061541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, that language would be more powerful than BlooP, as BlooP expresses functions that are primitive-recursive, but that language could express A(m,n), which is not primitive recursive. < 1232061549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of BlooP with oracle... < 1232061708 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232061886 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232061949 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-124-131.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232062890 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232063436 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even one that could be implemented on Turing machine to run in "finite" time... :-) < 1232065370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have missed soemthing < 1232065418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1232065422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:19 Actually, that language would be more powerful than BlooP, as BlooP expresses functions that are primitive-recursive, but that language could express A(m,n), which is not primitive recursive. < 1232065423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:19 sort of BlooP with oracle... < 1232065425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:50 Even one that could be implemented on Turing machine to run in "finite" time... :-) < 1232069700 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232079529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232079529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232079550 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232079550 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232079825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232079825 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232079944 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232079944 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232080936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh buz < 1232080939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bugz < 1232080968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*BUZZ* )S:^):^ < 1232080968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *BUZZ* *B ...too much output! < 1232081571 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay unexplained segfault < 1232081784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (KH)(A)(:*)(:*)::**^^(N)**S < 1232081784 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1232081810 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232081847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.khaaan.com/ < 1232082851 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1232083369 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232083763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bus" < 1232084260 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! < 1232084265 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dc is waaaay faster than gnu dc < 1232084323 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the speed of your dick that matters, bsmnt_bot < 1232084342 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc(1), loser < 1232084371 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. < 1232084440 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dc&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD%20Current&arch=i386&format=html < 1232089994 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232092237 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232092266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip ricardo montalban indeed < 1232092799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232092800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232093181 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232094697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : crazy sedes. *swedes <-- no Finns. Not Swedes. < 1232094853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5 × 10**-9 seconds at 2 ghz <-- not sure about that, some CPUs execute more than one instruction per cycle iirc. Though I'm not sure if x86 does that. < 1232094916 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232094995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey guys i just wrote a goto is this bad y/n <-- well depends a lot on language, how it is used and so on. < 1232095013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, C doesn't have break; for more than one level at a time < 1232095028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using goto to break two levels is the cleanest solution there < 1232095082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes in functions that can error out at several points and need to do common cleanup for all the error paths, goto error; and putting an error: block at the end may be the cleanest code. < 1232095100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some file reading functions or such would fit into that category < 1232095118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think it is often ok in _generated_ C code < 1232095462 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster < 1232095474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about the properties of rewriting systems? < 1232095740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, like Thue? < 1232095759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i mean the formal properties of such systems in general < 1232095788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, not much really. < 1232095795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232098734 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232100734 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-85-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232101455 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232101472 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@92.139.39.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232101967 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232111217 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232111316 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232111422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you know anything about the properties of rewriting systems? < 1232111445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's string rewriting then you have the Chomsky hierarchy at least < 1232112626 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232112695 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232114354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE :DDDDDDDDDDD < 1232114442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread "eurocreme" was on the clipboard and not the topic (shown next to each other), thought i had sleep googled for gay porn again < 1232114468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was actually complete bullshit, i just wanted to use the term sleep googling in some context. < 1232114485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooling anyone about what? < 1232114492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nothing in general < 1232114502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1232114504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1232114512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it now? < 1232114524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you regularly sleep google for gay porn? < 1232114563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes responding to comments before reading the next line is more fun
< 1232114589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i'm not sure why i said that bullshit comment < 1232114604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's all about choice, i honestly don't know whether i actually did think it was on the clipboard. < 1232114639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i often don't know what i'm thinking either < 1232114658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know i don't sleep google for gay porn (afaik), but that is fun as a joke, so there's no need to be honest; then again if i say i misraed something, and i'm lying, there's no excuse. < 1232114661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but often i don't know < 1232114666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*misread < 1232114687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232114688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread that as misraped < 1232114690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232114696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232114701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no excuse
< 1232114701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's misraping < 1232114715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try to never find out < 1232114717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to accidentally someone? < 1232114719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just like rape, except you're doing it wrong. < 1232114726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1232114727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep. < 1232114733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably like a comic about that < 1232114774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misrape what you sow < 1232114824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the only three google hits of "misrape" (quoted) sounds like it's just a case of applying the procedure to the wrong person: "... bust into someone’s house and terrorize them, i suggest you keep detailed records of your victims so you don’t misrape any innocent bystanders. ..." < 1232114849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should stop now, i just noticed it anagrams to "spermia" < 1232114860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sperm AI < 1232114912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cummon down south park and meet some frendsa mineeeee < 1232114916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "ram pies". < 1232114945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimRape < 1232114958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rim peas < 1232114959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd play it. < 1232114973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prim sea < 1232114982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ear imps". < 1232114985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simrape would probably need sperm ai. < 1232114995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hope there wouldn't be any ram pies < 1232115013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232115032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost prime ass, like that bear has < 1232115142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip smear < 1232115149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also maybe related: seam rip. < 1232115180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kinda getting outta hand ppl. < 1232115298 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g66 = 3 !g65-1! (3 !g65-1! 3) > 3 !g65-1! (g64 + 3) = 3 -> (g64 + 3) -> (g65 - 1) > (2 -> (g64 + 3) -> (g64 - 2)) - 3 = A(g64,g64)... :-> < 1232115447 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> g66 > A(g64,g64)... < 1232116077 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: 'g64 -> g64 -> g64 -> g64'. That should be fairly BIG. < 1232116090 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A million is already fairly big. < 1232116161 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232116451 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g1 is already really really HUGE number. 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 iterated base-10 logarithms would barely do a minor dent to it. g2 is MUCH bigger than g1, etc... < 1232116504 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't g1 just 3^3^3? < 1232116505 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1232116591 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g1 is 3 !!!! 3 = 3 !!! (3 !!! 3) = 3 !!! (3 !! (3 !! 3)) = 3 !!! (3 !! (3 ^ 3 ^ 3)) = 3 !!! (3 !! 7625597484987) = ... < 1232116672 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 3 !!! (3 ^ 3 ^ 3 ^ ... ^ 3) [7625597484986 '^'s]... < 1232116739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your definition of "minor dent" is interesting, if you look at how large a fraction of the original number is left after that many logarithms. I'm not saying it wouldn't still be a rather large number, but if you consider a chunk of rock, take a similarly proportioned amount of it away, it doesn't really look like a "minor dent" at that point. < 1232116854 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These numbers are so huge you can't even use power tower scale... And iterated logarithm operates in that scale... < 1232117020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power tower scale? < 1232117040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, minor dent is a weird term < 1232117323 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Power tower scale" essentially measures how many times you (approximately) have to apply logarithm to get into small numbers.. < 1232117447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just the fourth step of the ackermann function < 1232117478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(4,n) = 2^2^...n times - 3 or something like that < 1232117593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: k right. still i agree with fizzie < 1232117771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, in my viewpoint it's just a matter of what the word "dent" means; it doesn't seem right to me to call something a "dent" if over, say, half of the original thing is gone, no matter how large the dented thing is. < 1232118423 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-93-23.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232118940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232120256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232120259 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232120274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232120277 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232120324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31 crazy sedes. *swedes <-- no Finns. Not Swedes. < 1232120326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232120328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns are sane < 1232120349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely Finn-sane. < 1232120371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you show a complete misunderstanding of nordic stereotypes < 1232120381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :D < 1232121074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you were talking about that iki.fi thing then < 1232121082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedes aren't related to that < 1232121084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232121089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, iki.fi makes some sense < 1232121096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just odd that finns are the only ones who use such a thing < 1232121449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the japanese do to, it's just that we never know because they are speaking in japanese. < 1232121462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1232121501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the north koreans with internet access also do so. both of them. < 1232121633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I don't exist < 1232121645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. < 1232121650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had suspected that. < 1232121682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i thought: figments of imagination are people too! < 1232121697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact they're the only people < 1232122177 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232123796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lost-theory.org/realultimatepower/ The Official Jeff Atwood Homepage < 1232123819 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How terribly lame < 1232123831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a parody. < 1232123834 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1232123835 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1232123839 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the book < 1232123856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you also have to hate jeff atwood to find it funny :P < 1232123870 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Jeff Atwood? < 1232123880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot extraordinaire. < 1232123898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So idiotic that _Joel Spolsky_ teaches him something on a weekly basis. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/ < 1232123900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codinghorror.com < 1232123913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeffatwoodhorror.com < 1232123929 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding horror < 1232123933 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not on there :o < 1232124049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/7q2rj/google_search_results_for_khaxn_for_x1_to_100/c072mvj < 1232124072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliezer's reply is so. perfectly. timed. < 1232124098 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not infact all that odd < 1232124107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up. it's humour. < 1232124108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny. < 1232124114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find two dimensional graphs of ARGH < 1232124121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232124123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not talking about that < 1232124127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im talking about the specific comment thread linked < 1232124135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: clicking links since 2009 < 1232124141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats nice. < 1232124149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im commenting on the content of the link. < 1232124149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232124175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't joke about this. He's dead, Jim. < 1232124176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link I posted selects one comment thread in the comments for that link. < 1232124193 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, it doesnt do anything special for me, ehird. dunno why. < 1232124203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it does. < 1232124204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolld own. < 1232124207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :past the link. < 1232124208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/7q2rj/google_search_results_for_khaxn_for_x1_to_100/c072mvj < 1232124216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesnt do anything for me dude < 1232124217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The yellow-backgrounded comment. < 1232124222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Eliezer Yudkowsky's reply. < 1232124227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. < 1232124233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1232124258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt realize that it was only showing one thread < 1232124265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for yudkowsky, heh. < 1232124295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if he just stumbled across that thread or if he has An Algo < 1232124342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm he really _must_ have come by google, it's a month since his last post :D < 1232124378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Context: qgyh2 is the person on reddit with the most submission & comments points, over 100,000 or sth) < 1232124388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232124586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232124615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the turku university specializes in discrete math, and there's a lot of research in mathematical esolangs? < 1232124629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't. my point is i think i know what i'm gonna be when i grow up. < 1232124729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn hoare logic < 1232124740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical esolangs?? < 1232124758 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like �-recursive functions? :o < 1232124811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHORE LOGIC YOU SAY :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1232124831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: reductions from all kindsa constructs into turing machines. < 1232124838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the whore operator < 1232124839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1232124846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked to this prof who does cellular automata stuff today < 1232124871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was instructed to meet him after mentioning i was thinking switching university. < 1232124883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232124890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im leaving, you guys are too practical" < 1232124894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HERE IS A CRAZY-ASS GUY" < 1232124899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crazy ass-guy < 1232124927 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like ASS-GUY < 1232124939 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too slow, slereah_ < 1232124950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was just doing that to shut up the fucking xkcd fans < 1232124952 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232124962 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a fan of asses. < 1232125023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking-xkcd fans are scary. < 1232125063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know many people who are fans of fucking xkcd < 1232125099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:57 HEJ PEOPLES HELP -TELL AROUND THE WORLD WHAT WE DIEING STOP MAKE DEATH STOP KILL ANIMALS PLANTS WATER METALL ANOTHER PEOPLES BAD PEOPLES MAKE THIS WORLD WE CAN LIVE FOREVER WIT NATURE WITH GOD WITH UNIVERSE PIECE < 1232125100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:57 STOP KILL STOP DEATH < 1232125102 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this fucking xkcd? http://d.furaffinity.net/art/seaweedprincess/1232091972.seaweedprincess_xkcd34.jpg < 1232125102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- #haskell < 1232125115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: I did not need to see that. < 1232125123 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Yes. < 1232125124 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you did. < 1232125129 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you are complete. < 1232125134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I... really didn't < 1232125150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll thank me one day. < 1232125224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: see, it's the swedes that are crazy < 1232125230 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a totally inappropriate fake xkcd, slereah_ < 1232125237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no alt text! < 1232125253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know :P < 1232125259 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is < 1232125265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns and norway-yians are cool < 1232125268 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Raptors on Hoverboards are Offscreen" < 1232125270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232125274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1232125275 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But �I posted the pix directly < 1232125275 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1232125283 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you butts don't have FA accounts < 1232125287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :μYou? < 1232125295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an FA account < 1232125307 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1232125311 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the rest. < 1232125311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is an FA account. < 1232125314 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... < 1232125321 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fur affinity, oerjan < 1232125322 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS ANYONE A CLOSET FURRY HERE < 1232125326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture is on furaffinity.net, which is a shithole full of retarded furries. < 1232125327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232125327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deviant art for furries < 1232125331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the associated porn. < 1232125359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun thing, really < 1232125361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yes iirc. not me though. < 1232125379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever since DA was created, furries have migrated from sites to sites < 1232125383 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until FA was thar. < 1232125385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how can you know if someone is a closet furry < 1232125388 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-243.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232125395 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE'S ONE! < 1232125396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense < 1232125397 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET HIM! < 1232125398 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a cute b/w wolf
< 1232125407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :No furries allowed < 1232125443 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey >:| < 1232125446 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the logs! < 1232125454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furries don't deserve logs < 1232125462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must have thought they looked furry < 1232125470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's just moss! < 1232125480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lichen! < 1232125591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :No smurfing < 1232125627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :No furries allowed < 1232125652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :No smurfing furries allowed < 1232125803 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey psygnisfive < 1232125806 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to smurf? < 1232125862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1232125868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MUCH REQUESTING INFORMATION < 1232125887 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll request allright. < 1232125891 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REQUEST A REACH AROUND < 1232126073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232126118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah, i don't feel like reading, i feel like running around naked and eating doors. < 1232126132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i guess i have little choice. < 1232126134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish me luck -> < 1232126142 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious door < 1232126187 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232126199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1232126201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the logs? < 1232126213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link in topic is GONE! < 1232126236 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all ehird's fault < 1232126241 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Him and his fursecution! < 1232126248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that maniac < 1232126250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bookmarks < 1232126253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how to use them? < 1232126255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1232126266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use bookmarks when the topic has the logs < 1232126279 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :butt | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232126300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes you place them in books to remember where you should continue reading. < 1232126311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. Ha. Ha. < 1232126347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes cat(1) program in Python because why not.
< 1232126352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env python < 1232126352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys < 1232126352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet if i had said it ehird wouldn't have laughed. oh wait. < 1232126353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for filename in sys.argv: < 1232126356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : file = sys.stdin if filename == '-' else open(filename) < 1232126358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while not file.closed: < 1232126360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sys.stdout.write(file.read(1)) < 1232126369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I wouldn't have :P < 1232126384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, but not in such a sarcastic manner < 1232126458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you are missing _several_ POSIX options. < 1232126466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there just -u? < 1232126475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea really :D
< 1232126476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1232126480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-u < 1232126481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write bytes from the input file to the standard output without delay as each is read. < 1232126482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I already do < 1232126485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody uses that anyway < 1232126498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine misses stdin on no args through < 1232126504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sys.argv/sys.argv or ['-']/ < 1232126504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how many GNU options are there... < 1232126509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 5 bajillion < 1232126516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in gnu tools < 1232126536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you know how i like stuff right? < 1232126555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eww < 1232126579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i bet if i had said it ehird wouldn't have laughed. oh wait. <<< you would never say that < 1232126587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exactly. < 1232126614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have made a similar joke. in fact i must have done so. < 1232126628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you would've made a joke based on the same thing, yes < 1232126635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is you would've made it less direct < 1232126659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like remote library loan? < 1232126687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that's what you would've said. something so complicated i don't get it < 1232126697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz explain i want to laugh. < 1232126716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less direct + books = remote library loan < 1232126765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232126774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT FUNNY. < 1232126788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEITHER IS YOUR MOTHER. < 1232126815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU, MY MOTHER IS OUTRIGHT RIDICULOUS!! < 1232126831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i was obviously trying to make the joke even less direct than usual, it's a meta thing < 1232126840 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232126843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know i never *hit by anvil* < 1232126847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think i get it. < 1232126885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/362562.txt?key=r1mvwcrozo1c5mcrklic8w < 1232126889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: trying to balance it out... or is that your new swatter replacement? < 1232126889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it does rot13 too. < 1232126899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cat is _exactly_ the place for it < 1232126903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are you trying < 1232126914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :balance directness out that is < 1232126917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i can make a 1-line anvil. hm. < 1232126922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is fun. < 1232126925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_T_ < 1232126926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was thinking about the UNIX philosophy < 1232126933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, nice timing < 1232126935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_||_ < 1232126941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION breaks oerjan's anvil with lines
< 1232126946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, I decided find | grep is more unixy than either find -name blah or ls -R | grep < 1232126954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was it, ehird. < 1232126959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell you're being properly UNIXy if you don't need command-line options < 1232126965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: those were two anvils < 1232126971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that makes sense to a degree < 1232126979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some command line options just change how it operates, not fundamentally what it does < 1232126985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -R changes fundamentally what it does, however < 1232126991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're right in that case < 1232126992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232127019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, my cat has a bug < 1232127020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232127026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that so many commands have recursion options implies that find is definitely a unixy command, when you don't use its options yourself < 1232127027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what lang? < 1232127033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastie.org/362562.txt?key=r1mvwcrozo1c5mcrklic8w < 1232127034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buggy cats normally imply some pretty difficult lang < 1232127039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote cat in python for no reason, but then added rot13 < 1232127042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason < 1232127049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, just buggy logic for detecting EOF < 1232127055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, EOF < 1232127060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use a flea collar < 1232127065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, one instruction that more languages need < 1232127068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pipe < 1232127070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicall < 1232127071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1232127079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python < 1232127094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe(lambda: file.read(1), lambda a: sys.stdout.write(transformer(a))) < 1232127098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is equivalent to < 1232127106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pseudo-python, you can't assign in whiles in reality): < 1232127114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a = file.read(1): sys.stdout.write(transformer(a)) < 1232127117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a common idiom < 1232127119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like < 1232127137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe file.read(1) as a: sys.stdout.write(transformer(a)) < 1232127141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be great < 1232127143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I read somewhere that Python lambdas were syntactic sugar < 1232127148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they expand to? < 1232127156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(lambda x: x) < 1232127156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1232127164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def bar(x): return x < 1232127165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(bar) < 1232127178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can declare named functions in inner scopes in Python? < 1232127182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232127188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it < 1232127217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is a bit verbose, unfortunately < 1232127223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so using it for scripting is a bit annoying < 1232127231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's nicer than writing shell script... < 1232127244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how long the scripts are < 1232127254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even trivial things in shell can be a pain < 1232127272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I get beyond one for loop over something like * in a shell, it instantly goes to hell < 1232127276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I switch to a real language :P < 1232127403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be nice if python was, you know, shorter < 1232127417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that cat is the not much shorter than it would be in C < 1232127420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes it in C to find out
< 1232127519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232127519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : uppercase = code >= ord('A') and code <= ord('Z') < 1232127521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lowercase = code >= ord('a') and code <= ord('z') < 1232127523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232127525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uppercase = char.islower() < 1232127527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232127529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isupper < 1232127534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase = char.islower() < 1232127534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232127793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c version: 55 lines < 1232127798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, python is quite a bit shorter < 1232127804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs essentially look the same, though. < 1232127820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/362584.txt?key=bm06tagczdoiybatmth9q < 1232127864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that transformer assignment needs to be lower < 1232127865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1232127997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I connected? < 1232127997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping. < 1232128020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, this python < 1232128020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shifted = (((ord(char.lower()) - ord('a')) + 13) % 26) + ord('a') < 1232128025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more verbose than this c < 1232128025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shifted = (((tolower(c) - 'a') + 13) % 26) + 'a'; < 1232128083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, C only does so well at this program because it involves no dynamic allocation whatsoever. < 1232128095 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232128179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my stdin check fails < 1232128182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I forgot to use strcmp. < 1232128190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, comparing pointers? < 1232128195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: python is better but sometimes uglier. < 1232128285 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: no. < 1232128327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should now write some code that actually does anything. < 1232128332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the Wiki recent changes
< 1232128339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, not yet /another/ BF derivative < 1232128371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linkkkkk < 1232128405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposal: bf derivatives are banned < 1232128418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about continuous brainfuck < 1232128429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be awesome. < 1232128434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like the syntax, though < 1232128435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swirling dna < 1232128453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232128463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the notion of BF derivatives isn't bad as a whole < 1232128467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, they ought to be interesting < 1232128475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the ones that people come up with aren't < 1232128517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I will ever use 25GB of mail storage. < 1232128548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My current gmail account, which I made in 2006 and only started using heavily in around 2008, is using "744MB (10%) of your 7285MB.") < 1232128557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is a lot for such a little time I've used it heavily.) < 1232128631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm connected. < 1232128668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping. < 1232128719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1232128749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why buy a dedicated fart app AND a flashlight, when you can have BOTH, and get a TWITTER CLIENT along with it!" < 1232128754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyng < 1232128760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person has got the iPhone appstore 100% figured out. < 1232128786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232128791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of the adverts? < 1232128806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atebits.com/pee/ < 1232128825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually sell it :D < 1232128867 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS PEE < 1232128871 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder as well! < 1232128894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://atebits.cachefly.net/pee/wow.jpg < 1232128904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like a stock photo < 1232128916 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232128920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's odd. i wonder what the photographers were thinking when they planned/took this photo. < 1232128921 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232128948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's from a recent advert bought on reddit < 1232128951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertising viagra or something < 1232128960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232128966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ad is now gone due to complaints and there are tons of ads on reddit using the same image but advertising things like subreddits. < 1232128973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they were thinking "we should make her look like she' < 1232128984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I don't think you have to elaborate psygnisfive. < 1232128985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s amazed at the size of the adviewer's engorged penis" < 1232129004 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ehird its important to be clear! < 1232129007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bush Boom: How a Misunderestimated President Fixed a Broken Economy < 1232129008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst < 1232129008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :book < 1232129010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVAR < 1232129011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Bush-Boom-Misunderestimated-President-Economy/dp/1594670870?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232115413&sr=8-1 < 1232129029 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wasnt, you might've thought i meant, "she's amazed at the low low prices of viagra that we're selling" < 1232129045 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wouldnt want you to have wrong assumptions about my perspective on advertisements for viagra < 1232129129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooo < 1232129268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232129271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be cool? < 1232129278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irc server specifically designed for things like bitlbee < 1232129279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1232129283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clients can do things like < 1232129287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKEDUMMY foobarbaz < 1232129291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASDUMMY foobarbaz JOIN #mychannel < 1232129297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASDUMMY foobarbaz PRIVMSG #mychannel :I am totally a real person < 1232129404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bitlbee? < 1232129455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitlbee is a gateway that lets you use MSN/AIM/Jabber/etc through irc < 1232129463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you connect to a special server and your contacts become irc users in a room < 1232129466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just /msg them and stuff < 1232129489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's plenty of good things that could do with an "IRC interface" with that, I'm just thinking about a server that would make it as easy as writing an irc bot < 1232129494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some special commands to control fake users < 1232129690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. yes. < 1232129926 0 :MigoMipo!n=kvirc@84-217-14-73.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232130083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232130146 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232130684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232130857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/2177201ae448ab894682b16d557f5544fb678e7b < 1232130861 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232130868 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232130960 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232130986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:34 puzzlet has joined (n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231) < 1232130986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36 ais523 has joined (n=ais523@147.188.254.127) < 1232130988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet == ais523 < 1232131002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, 147 is massive < 1232131009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :147.188 is Birmingham University < 1232131019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore my guess is that puzzlet's on the UK academic network or something connected to it < 1232131023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in Birmingham < 1232131073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, puzzlet is chinese I'm prety sure < 1232131087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. korean < 1232131094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232131098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Puzzlet Chung lives in the Republic of Korea. He is one of the administrators of the Korean Wikipedia and the Korean Wikiquote. < 1232131098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PuzzletChung < 1232131101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, 147 stretches a long way < 1232131113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only 256 /8s, and they aren't all used < 1232131123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not surprising that some of them go all over the world, I suppose < 1232131159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also,http://kiwi.cabal.fi/home/aki/misc/cons-ceremony.txt < 1232131465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Oh dear. I think I have my editor committed to muscle memory. < 1232131501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which editor? < 1232131507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both vi and emacs are pretty quick to type < 1232131514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the editor commands. < 1232131518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have most common words committed to muscle memory, not just editors < 1232131525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, switching to another editor for daily use would involve a lot of unlearning. < 1232131530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, editor commands seems reasonable < 1232131551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's textmate, FWIW) < 1232131559 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232131660 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a 7-string vi in drop-D tuning < 1232131769 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232132893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1232132912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql docs doesn't even say when some sql syntax is non-standard < 1232132919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's easy enough < 1232132923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postgresql manuals documents it all the time < 1232132925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1232132926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/all/ sql syntax is nonstandard < 1232132939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example it seems using LIMIT with UPDATE is non-standard < 1232132948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm porting a program from mysql to postgresql btw < 1232132956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LIMIT isn't standard at all < 1232132961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's certainly useful < 1232132976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, postgresql supports it with SELECT, but nothing else < 1232132994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SQL standard doesn't even have LIMIT as a keyword < 1232133046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interestingly, the worst problems so far has been 1) postgresql has bytea, but no blob 2) postgresql wants "" around column names that happens to be keywords, mysql wants `` < 1232133049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unLIMITed standard < 1232133059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1232133070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep, quoting is really inconsistent between the DB engines < 1232133072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, even i wasn't laughing < 1232133075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely they must have standardised that < 1232133093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why aren't DB engines staying consistent about it? < 1232133108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well since I need to support both (eww) I wrote a small wrapper quote_for_stupid_db < 1232133115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quotes one word as a column name < 1232133154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from column names and table names the code uses prepared statements everywhere < 1232133216 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232133241 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-86-115.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232133297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway what is worse in this case (which is horrible php code), is that while pdo is supposed to be an abstraction layer, it is kind of useless when it returns mysql blobs as strings and postgresql bytea as streams < 1232133540 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232133627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, a syntax highlighting program that actually parses textmate theme files to work. < 1232133628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1232133679 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates to interrupt but is concerned that his NASM OS compiles with FASM, yet causes kernel panics randomly
< 1232133688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#osdev? :P < 1232133695 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION and is wondering what the compiler differences are
< 1232133699 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232133702 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roger < 1232133702 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1232133712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: you have an os? < 1232133729 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeedy < 1232133763 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was in NASM, then I started porting it to FASM today so that I could port FASM to it. It's 16bit, real-time mono-tasking (for now) < 1232133781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,475,086.PN.&OS=PN/7,475,086&RS=PN/7,475,086 < 1232133783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patent fail < 1232133791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx ibm < 1232133831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1232133838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, prior art < 1232133848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol! You think the US patent system cares? < 1232133851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what a comedian < 1232133895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this sounds like the definition of the CHAR(n) type... < 1232133906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the definition of TRIM() < 1232133929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, using TRIM() in a trigger rather? < 1232133987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1232134172 0 :Zetro!n=mattias@d83-183-202-119.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232134241 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232134383 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232134390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blob < 1232134398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kablam! < 1232135114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, mysql auto increment NEEDS a NULL in INSERT, it must be listed. PostgreSQL's equivalent requires the column to not be listed < 1232135114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232135386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: autoincrement is different between all sorts of db engines < 1232135392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1232135431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you know any sort of true DB abstraction layer? A "anti-quirk middleware" < 1232135433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1232135437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of one < 1232135439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must exist, though < 1232135446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBI. < 1232135453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for (ewwwww) php < 1232135455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that isn't a true abstraction layer < 1232135463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires you to write the SQL yourself < 1232135472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was not specified. ais523: It translates the SQL to the correct dialect, I believe. < 1232135472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a syntax that the target DB engine understands < 1232135477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no it doesn't, IIRC < 1232135482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, IIRC> < 1232135506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true < 1232135532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not using perl, no way I'm rewriting an existing software in perl < 1232135549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this php program has all the DB calls in a single file < 1232135554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tough shit. < 1232135585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ais523: also does DBI rewrite or not? < 1232135593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dates and times are returned as character strings in the current < 1232135595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : default format of the corresponding database engine. Time zone effects < 1232135595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51 ehird: no it doesn't, IIRC < 1232135596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51 yes it does, IIRC> < 1232135596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : are database/driver dependent. < 1232135603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the DBI docs < 1232135605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found a definitive answer to the original question yet < 1232135605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about SQL syntax, ais523. < 1232135606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a clue < 1232135638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm waiting for you two to make up your mind < 1232135641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The DBI itself does not mandate or require any particular language to < 1232135643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : be used; it is language independent. In ODBC terms, the DBI is in < 1232135644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "pass-thru" mode, although individual drivers might not be. The only < 1232135646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : requirement is that queries and other statements must be expressed as a < 1232135647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : single string of characters passed as the first argument to the < 1232135649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "prepare" or "do" methods. < 1232135652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even require SQL! < 1232135656 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :PrepareForMigol0 < 1232135657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1232135661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232135675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is ODBC btw? I have seen the term a lot, but never understood what it was < 1232135683 0 :PrepareForMigol0!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Migol09 < 1232135684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a DB driver, not sure though < 1232135688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=ODBC < 1232135691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something DB-related, anyway < 1232135697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does that site need JavaScript? < 1232135700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232135706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable it, it's worth it < 1232135708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's considerably worse than just linking to Google < 1232135716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : enable it, it's worth it <--- no it isn't < 1232135722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a sarcastic insult. < 1232135732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted to be helpful I wouldn't link to it. < 1232135774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have javascript off too < 1232135781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not about to turn it on < 1232135784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care level: 0 < 1232135808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In computing, Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) provides a standard software API method for using database management systems (DBMS). The designers of ODBC aimed to make it independent of programming languages, database systems, and operating systems." < 1232135809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232135880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forces ehird to use MS Query with the Microsoft Excel backend for his databases
< 1232136280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232136869 0 :Zetro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232136889 0 :Zetro!n=mattias@d83-183-202-119.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232137096 0 :Migol09!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :JohnWins < 1232137386 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232137607 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ThisIsAReallyLon < 1232137628 0 :ThisIsAReallyLon!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1232137695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, the IRC interface I was thinking about exists < 1232137757 0 :Zetro!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232138045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and what is that interface? < 1232138056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 3 guesses < 1232138095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not file system based since we talked about that before, not integrated in to zsh since we also talked about that before < 1232138097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232138115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you talking about a client or some server side feature? < 1232138126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say, a jabber<->irc proxy < 1232138136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC interface: an IRC server that provides an interface to another service. < 1232138137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that exists yes) < 1232138144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, bitlbee is an IRC interface for IM services. < 1232138147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232138159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't bitlbee? < 1232138161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232138171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it related to IM? < 1232138177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1232138197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to web browser? (like, say cgi::irc but in server) < 1232138224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1232138227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1232138230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232138274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it for translating between different IRCD procotols? < 1232138276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocols* < 1232138279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1232138282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232138283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232138284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, feel free to guess while I'm brbing < 1232138298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well if it isn't bitlbee I'm out of ideas. < 1232138321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb too < 1232138607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232138662 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232138913 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232139152 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232139248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass fretboard showing the c major scale: < 1232139248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O < 1232139248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O < 1232139248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O < 1232139248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O < 1232139251 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . . . : . . . . : < 1232139308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNI(mirror N)UN(mirror N)I < 1232139310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232139320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, nice ASCII art! < 1232139332 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look pretty < 1232139339 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a punch tape < 1232139343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, apart from the mirrored N < 1232139360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm have you seen that javascript punch card library? < 1232139373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for url
< 1232139386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes lament: http://www.outstandingelephant.com/jcquard/ < 1232139418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1232139633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, this VHDL synthesizer actually seems half-decent < 1232139639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice < 1232139640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me several screenfuls of optimiser warnings < 1232139642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what one? < 1232139654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synplify Pro, it seems < 1232139655 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that mirror N, could it be a lambda? < 1232139662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a for-pay expensive one < 1232139666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are no free ones < 1232139675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you have a copy? < 1232139677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are at all good, and even the rubbish ones are closed-source < 1232139680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, at University < 1232139693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232139705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hm upper case or lower case? < 1232139716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much only companies and universities can afford good VHDL synthesizers < 1232139719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say < 1232139725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused at the way that anything optimisable is considered a warning, though < 1232139732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VHDL, you're supposed to write optimal code yourself < 1232139733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, don't think so < 1232139737 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hah < 1232139746 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh well < 1232139746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything suboptimal is bad style < 1232139753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing the compiler's catching it for me < 1232139773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, I'm doing all sorts of suboptimal things like not using all the codepaths in a function every time I use it < 1232139787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh, how do you then branch? < 1232139788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not running all the commands in a loop every iteration < 1232139798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: via loop unrolling and constant folding < 1232139813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VHDL, all functions are inlined and all loops are unrolled by the compiler anyway < 1232139826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, I trust it to do that job a lot more reliably than I trust me to do it < 1232139828 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't turing-complete? < 1232139836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232139838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite storage < 1232139848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are non-loop ways to get infinite repitition < 1232139852 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1232139856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repetition < 1232139863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penrose tilings?? < 1232139866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does that work? < 1232139867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: a <= not b; b <= a < 1232139876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causes infinite repetition in VHDL < 1232139878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not being a loop < 1232139891 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain explodes < 1232139899 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy evaluation? < 1232139939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behavioral evaluation < 1232139942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly lazy < 1232139949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want the loop to be a tight loop and block your program < 1232139957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a <= not a after 10 ns; < 1232139968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the loop only changes once every 10 nanoseconds, and you're fine < 1232139995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice < 1232140004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for lament comments on that
< 1232140010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament's* < 1232140016 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it :) < 1232140025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, VHDL compiles to hardware < 1232140028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so timing matters < 1232140035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does a <= not a do? < 1232140047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess toggle a < 1232140049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232140054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct ais523? < 1232140065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232140077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, VHDL is event driven right? < 1232140078 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does <= mean? < 1232140082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how does Verilog differs < 1232140087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: delayed action assignment < 1232140099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :differ* < 1232140105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a <= b; b <= c; is equivalent to b <= c; a <= b; < 1232140120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assignments all happen at the end of the program/process < 1232140134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediate assignment is := but you aren't allowed to use it, except as local shorthand < 1232140138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like #define < 1232140144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh < 1232140156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL has lots of features that can't be synthesized into hardware < 1232140163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fine on simulators, but you have to avoid them for synthesis < 1232140165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1232140172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I think a VHDL->VHDL compiler would actually be highly useful < 1232140176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232140203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what one was it? < 1232140238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this is amusing < 1232140248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler warned me that it generated 6 copies of one of my variables < 1232140256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I checked their website, it seems to be "contact for price" < 1232140256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use a variable too much in VHDL, it overheats < 1232140267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep, if you have to ask, you can't afford it < 1232140267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow, sounds like an esolang < 1232140284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler generated extra copies to spread the load around < 1232140287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ask for price = this is too expensive for you < 1232140288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232140309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1232140423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and there seems to be an even more advanced product "Synplify Premier", which can handle ASIC too < 1232140445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you have any reason to be doing ASIC synthesis, then you can afford it < 1232140450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of using a variable too much overheating the "executable" :-) < 1232140452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exactly < 1232140504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if this insane design fits on the processor < 1232140510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I think vhdl synthesizers costing a lot makes sense < 1232140523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a niche product and making it is extremely difficult < 1232140531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ESL synthesis" <-- don't know what that is, seems related to DSPs though < 1232140539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and despite being niche, the people who need it really do need it < 1232140545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try to implement mergesort using nothing but nested FOR loops sometime < 1232140552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no array indexes that can't be hard-coded < 1232140558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the loop's unrolled < 1232140561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch < 1232140574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you use a sorting network if it is hardware? < 1232140588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what it is < 1232140592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh < 1232140594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the code for generating one < 1232140598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232140602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ugh, it seems my design is too complex to fit on the chip < 1232140610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232140634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I'll just have to cut down on some of the PRNGs < 1232140649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sixteen 32-bit multipliers in there to provide test case data < 1232140655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must be taking up most of the chip, I reckon < 1232140655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing < 1232140655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232140664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: project for University < 1232140670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what irc gateway was it btw? < 1232140681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it? < 1232140685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I /msg'd the answer < 1232140689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232140692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to spoil anyone else's guessing :P < 1232140692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see the tab < 1232141160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would Verilog be easier? < 1232141162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, Total Number 4 input LUTs: 2600 out of 3840 < 1232141169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was just deleting half the multipliers < 1232141172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1232141180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, VHDL and Verilog are the same lang with different syntax < 1232141184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started out very different < 1232141185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232141190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all features in one got added to the other, and vice versa < 1232141525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verilog wasn't even intended for synthesis, in the first place < 1232141531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the construction of verifier testbenches < 1232141618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yay, the design wasn't too difficult to place in the end < 1232141625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only took the compiler 1 minute 47 seconds < 1232141632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard cases of it taking days < 1232141691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does this like, actually print to hardware? < 1232141697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will do < 1232141702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't have a JTAG cable on me atm < 1232141709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor a reprogrammable logic chip < 1232141714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can only book those out in working hours < 1232141723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, so it just reprograms a generic thing? < 1232141724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1232141731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a CHIP PRINTER :| < 1232141739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the ASIC stuff that AnMaster suggested < 1232141741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists < 1232141747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it < 1232141749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1232141751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the typical price is about a million dollars setup cost < 1232141757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus 10 cents for each identical chip you make < 1232141767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or up to maybe about 50 cents for complex ones < 1232141774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make even a single change, that's another million dollars < 1232141794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... :( < 1232141800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it, cheaper <_< < 1232141813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but seriously < 1232141816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a million dollars? Whaat < 1232141821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some progress towards being able to generate arbitrary electronic components < 1232141825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they do cold fusion or something? < 1232141826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's how much it costs to retool the factory < 1232141833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh. < 1232141848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard there's progress towards printers which you fill with plastic n-type and p-type ink < 1232141853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can print transistors < 1232141860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe your wish will be fulfilled in the end < 1232141867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a rather higher unit price, but rather lower setup cost < 1232141906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day it shall be free :< < 1232142017 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232142164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next problem: trying to figure out why a program for showing where everything was placed would trigger the firewall on the Windows computers here < 1232142364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "report home mode"? < 1232142415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1232142421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some sort of automatic updates < 1232142433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did it work anyway? < 1232142529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: that's how much it costs to retool the factory <-- what does a retool include? < 1232142539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how big is this factory? < 1232142553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure < 1232142559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232142561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a machine < 1232142563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a warehouse < 1232142564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232142565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have massive foundries, but they produce more than one product at a time < 1232142576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need a big assembly-line-type process < 1232142820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but why does it cost 1 million, I mean... < 1232142836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because you're making an actual chip. < 1232142838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, carbon and shit. < 1232142840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silicon. < 1232142841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true < 1232142842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting. < 1232142843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff. < 1232142864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it making some sort of "master" copies or something that cost? < 1232142874 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232142907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a lot of the actual tools wouldn't differ would they? < 1232142917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I think so < 1232142924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is trying to get all the photomasks into place < 1232142929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232142957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how was it done back in the 1980s or so, because you wouldn't have as large batches back then < 1232142979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller markets < 1232142993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my guess is much the same way, and the chips ended up more expensive as a result < 1232143004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yet they were able to produce C64 and such? < 1232143013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though market was smaller < 1232143058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider the sound chipset for it, to a modern sound chipset, surely the modern one has been produced in lot more copies < 1232143297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this is great < 1232143304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a massively big circuit diagram I can look at < 1232143323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can double click on a component, and it highlights a single instance of the word "if" in the source code, for instance < 1232143412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232143940 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232143968 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232144025 0 :JohnWins!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1232144404 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232144472 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232144528 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232144633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▇▅▄█▃▄▁▂▆ < 1232144642 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's an interesting Unicode-art graph < 1232144647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unicode sparkline < 1232144652 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ohw do people here think Unicode art compares to ASCII art? < 1232144656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇█ < 1232144661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% 1 to 10 < 1232144662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^ < 1232144663 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's a sparkline? < 1232144670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkline < 1232144679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, essentially a mini graph < 1232144708 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1232144719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unicode blocks are a bit ugly, but there you go < 1232144722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a program to do it < 1232144751 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▉▊▋▌▍▎ < 1232144819 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I just decompiled the resulting circuit into VHDL < 1232144821 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an utter mess < 1232144833 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with variable names like un75_prng_1_s_8_n_XORG < 1232144834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▖ < 1232144834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▗▟ < 1232144876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, now it accepts input from stdin too < 1232144883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely little 40-line hack. < 1232144913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, unicode sparklines were someone elses idea and my script is almost identical to their(mozilla ubiquity)'s but there's not that many ways to implement this :P < 1232144930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% seq 1 10 | sparkline < 1232144930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇█ < 1232144940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to make it scale M values into N values < 1232144945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you can compress 1000 data points into 10 < 1232144953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard < 1232144961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just split the list every M values, and mean it up < 1232144967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe that should go into another program < 1232144967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1232144981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% seq 1 1000 | squish 10 | sparkline < 1232144983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoughts? < 1232145015 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does squish do? < 1232145025 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, skips every nth element? < 1232145029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no < 1232145034 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, averages blocks of n elements < 1232145038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, yep < 1232145046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph, squish requires me to duplicate this code < 1232145047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sys.argv[1:]: < 1232145048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = sys.argv[1:] < 1232145050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: < 1232145052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = re.split(r'\s+', sys.stdin.read().strip()) < 1232145054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers = map(float, input) < 1232145056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232145058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1232145060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.argv[2:] < 1232145067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since first arg is number to squish too < 1232145068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1232145236 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should so make an esolang based on VHDL < 1232145241 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's arguably an esolang itself < 1232145298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232145571 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232145660 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232145664 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232145743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... since when did become a block element on Slashdot? < 1232145750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I get that it's unsemantic < 1232145761 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gtalk status line: Azure a Flatus volant Or < 1232145765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still... < 1232145777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: looks like a coat of arms description < 1232145788 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a blazon < 1232146026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think squish(1) should expand values too? < 1232146027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1232146031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squish 3 1 2 < 1232146033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would become < 1232146034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1.5 2 < 1232146094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well < 1232146099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wouldn't the 1 2 be on stdin < 1232146101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's harder though :-) < 1232146103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can be < 1232146104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can it take from stdin or arguments? < 1232146107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you omit the arguments, it reads from stdin < 1232146112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with sparkline(1) < 1232146119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to do expansion easily
< 1232146236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1232146237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% squish 3 1 2 3 4 | xargs echo < 1232146238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 < 1232146240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate off by one errors < 1232146345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, fixed < 1232146361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, who has a bunchload of numbers they want turned into a sparkline? < 1232146371 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232146408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1232146492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jm < 1232146494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm* < 1232146494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea < 1232146500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a great idea... < 1232146504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that netbsd toaster < 1232146508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000 < 1232146508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have transactions < 1232146515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you cancel the toast < 1232146520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't burnt! < 1232146533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how to implement it :( < 1232146553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hee, sure < 1232146574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/e.1mil < 1232146757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/nastsa/pi_data.txt (16 million) < 1232146826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/epivalue.html <-- 100 billion... split over multiple files < 1232146835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initial testing: < 1232146836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% curl http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000 2>/dev/null | python -c 'from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup; import sys; print " ".join(list(BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin).pre.renderContents().replace("\n", "").replace("3.", "")))' | wc -w < 1232146838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000 < 1232146840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1232146845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to | squish 100 | sparkline < 1232146865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% curl http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000 2>/dev/null | python -c 'from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup; import sys; print " ".join(list(BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin).pre.renderContents().replace("\n", "").replace("3.", "")))' | squish 100 | sparkline < 1232146867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄▆▄▆▄▃▄▃▂▅▄▅▁▅▄▅▅▅▆▅▂▄▄▄▆▅▇▅▅▅▅▅▄▇▆▅▂▁▄▂▄▆▄▇▄▅▇▇▆▅▂▆▇▆▆▂▆▆▂▅▅▃▄▂▃▅▆▃▃▇▃▄█▅▄▂▆▆▄▇▃▅▄▇▅▆▂▆▆▄▄▃▂▆▆▆▅▃▁▄ < 1232146871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/ee1value.html <-- e to 100 billion digits, again multiple files < 1232146871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you're welcome. < 1232146875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that python invocation is really ugly though. < 1232146877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wtf is that? < 1232146886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bars in unicode? < 1232146886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :-) < 1232146886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the first million digits of pi, graphed as a sparkline < 1232146890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, what we've been discussing. < 1232146896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was afk < 1232146899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1232146906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: conclusion: pi is random :P < 1232146906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so how does that come out to less than a million characters < 1232146916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: | squish 100 | < 1232146916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what does the squishing do < 1232146930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, but what's the transformation < 1232146931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: basically, it divides the input into the right amount of segments < 1232146936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and runs mean on them < 1232146950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% squish 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | xargs echo < 1232146950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 3.5 5.5 7.5 9.5 < 1232146963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first arg is result length) < 1232146981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, links for these programs? < 1232146992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so you preserve the arithmetic mean < 1232146993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ~ehird/bin/{squish,sparkline} < 1232147001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, care to pastebin them? < 1232147003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232147008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, after I've processed e < 1232147014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right :) < 1232147074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python invocation is ugly, but html scraping is ugly. < 1232147083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : % squish 3 1 2 3 4 | xargs echo < 1232147083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 3 4 <-- why the xargs echo? < 1232147088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it outputs one per line < 1232147092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232147094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's the unixy standard < 1232147100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232147123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you say sendmail is unixy? < 1232147141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't exactly do one thing, and it doesn't exactly do it well. < 1232147143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... no. < 1232147154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is however traditional unix software < 1232147155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232147164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unix isn't unixy < 1232147175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1232147182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about dd? < 1232147185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 is the first system applying the unix philosophy to a reasonable degree < 1232147187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is unixy < 1232147194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a swiss army knife, and it's inconsistent with hte rest of the system < 1232147195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> not unixy < 1232147204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: here comes yer e sparkline < 1232147206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed, command line argument format is weird < 1232147212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% curl http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/e.1mil 2>/dev/null | python -c 'from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup; import sys; print " ".join(list(BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin).hr.nextSibling.replace("e =", "").replace(" ", "").replace("\n", "").replace("2.", "")))' | squish 100 | sparkline < 1232147213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄▂▃▄▄▁▁▄▄▄▄▂▃▄▄▁▂▃▂▆▂▃▅▄▇▄▂▅▅▅▃▄▃▂▅▃▂▃▄▅▄▁█▅▃▂▄▅▁▄▄▄▄▄▃▃▁▄▄▅▃▃▅▆▄▃▄▄▅▄▂▂▃▄▄▄▃▄▂▅▂▄▄▇▅▅▄▅▄▆▃▄▆▄▄▃▃▃▅▅ < 1232147217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: e is also random. < 1232147241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, < 1232147247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squish gives _all_ 4s < 1232147249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1232147252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5119 4.4689 4.481 4.5036 4.5132 4.4527 4.4554 4.5137 4.5147 (...) < 1232147259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why? that's very odd. < 1232147266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did it do so for pi too? < 1232147271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check < 1232147289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yes. < 1232147293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a bug? < 1232147306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway please pastebin sparkline? < 1232147312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a bug, % seq 1 1000 | squish 100 works fine < 1232147317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just an odd numerical property o_O < 1232147320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather obvious? < 1232147322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I will in a bit < 1232147326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: is it? elaborate :P < 1232147327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's around 9/2 < 1232147332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232147343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we've got stuff in the range 0-9 randomly distributed < 1232147353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1232147354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1232147361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that saddens me about squish/sparkline < 1232147366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232147369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that there's one piece of almost identical code in them :P < 1232147375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparkline: < 1232147377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sys.argv[1:]: < 1232147377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = sys.argv[1:] < 1232147378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: make a library out of it < 1232147379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: < 1232147381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = filter(None, re.split(r'\s+', sys.stdin.read().strip())) or [0] < 1232147383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers = map(float, input) < 1232147385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squish: < 1232147387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sys.argv[2:]: < 1232147389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = sys.argv[2:] < 1232147390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, command line parsing you mean < 1232147391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: < 1232147393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : input = filter(None, re.split(r'\s+', sys.stdin.read().strip())) < 1232147395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers = map(float, input) < 1232147397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: surely too small for that < 1232147399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to tell people "Also, download this lib." < 1232147401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really < 1232147402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: surely not < 1232147403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "give me inputs from arguments or stdin" < 1232147422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: doesn't python have some kind of magical library installation tool < 1232147423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: % curl http://blahblah -O blah; blah < 1232147428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fast < 1232147428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CPAN, cabal, DSSS, etc < 1232147429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1232147437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tbh < 1232147439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5 SLOC < 1232147440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1232147450 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re.split(r'\s+', sys.stdin.read().strip()) == sys.stdin.read().strip().split() < 1232147454 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 SLOC times 100 projects is 500 SLOC < 1232147473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: does that split on all whitespace? < 1232147476 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232147479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1232147493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: what about the filter(None, ) ugliness? < 1232147499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to stop empty inputs giving [''] < 1232147593 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w for w in sys.stdin.read().strip().split() if w) ... maybe better with filter < 1232147611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'll just put it in a library if I ever expand it < 1232147621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% wc -l sparkline < 1232147622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 sparkline < 1232147623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% wc -l squish < 1232147625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 squish < 1232147627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad. < 1232147631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably run slocc or something on them instead. < 1232147651 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ float(w) for w in sys.stdin.read().strip().split() if w ] < 1232147670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the float mapping is after to not duplicate it per input source < 1232147694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, download link? going brb in a sec < 1232147700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1232147708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sheesh, be patient < 1232147778 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip().split() does not leave any empty elements < 1232147787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1232147803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's better < 1232147820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% squish 3 1 < 1232147820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fewer numbers (1) than the target amount (3)! < 1232147833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need a squap or something to expand. < 1232147841 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232147892 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232147915 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the first argument for? < 1232147942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: target numbers < 1232147952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squish N means "squish the values I give you into N values" < 1232147962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% seq 1 100 | squish 10 | xargs echo < 1232147962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5 15.5 25.5 35.5 45.5 55.5 65.5 75.5 85.5 95.5 < 1232148029 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, {ehird} (first arg is result length) < 1232148063 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused by % squish 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | xargs echo -> 1.5 3.5 5.5 7.5 9.5 < 1232148069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232148077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly you'll give it stuff via stdin < 1232148097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: xargs echo? that's clever < 1232148101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232148102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I do that using tr < 1232148130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an utter abuse of xargs < 1232148136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1232148138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just xargs works < 1232148145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% seq 1 100 | squish 10 | xargs < 1232148145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5 15.5 25.5 35.5 45.5 55.5 65.5 75.5 85.5 95.5 < 1232148147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'dathunkit? < 1232148194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still an abuse < 1232148201 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs = print sys.stdin.read().strip().split() :) < 1232148212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1232148215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on DJGPP, xargs does weird stuff to avoid ever passing the arguments directly < 1232148220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the command-line length limit < 1232148223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs = print ' '.join(sys.stdin.read().strip().split('\n')) < 1232148230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, xargs echo < 1232148233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not an abuse < 1232148236 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, forgot join < 1232148243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have values on multiple lines, and we want to give them as arguments to one command - echo < 1232148247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what xargs is for < 1232148248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose so < 1232148252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs defaulting to echo is just even more convenient < 1232148259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: and splitting on '\n' < 1232148261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see xargs as passing file lists to things, specifically < 1232148266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232148273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then you see wrong < 1232148277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1232148277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : xargs -- construct argument list(s) and execute utility < 1232148279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nah, you use -exec to find < 1232148284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, much safer < 1232148284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: hmm actually xargs splits on all whitespace < 1232148290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering newlines in filenames < 1232148293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1232148300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I put newlines in my filenames all the time. < 1232148313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does `printf "ab cd\nef gh" | xargs ls` list the files "ab cd" and "ef gh" < 1232148317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if I want to run a script as root to clean out /tmp < 1232148319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the 4 files ab cd ef gh? < 1232148327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: latter < 1232148335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: something's wrong, then < 1232148335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232148339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusable to me then < 1232148340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? < 1232148343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it splits on all whitespace < 1232148350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I often need to work on files with spaces in them < 1232148364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure. < 1232148365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so why are you explicitly splitting on \n in your program above < 1232148375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so do I, mostly trying to deal with Windows program URLs via Wine < 1232148376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 23:24 MizardX: hmm actually xargs splits on all whitespace < 1232148386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have to go now < 1232148392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I'll miss the last bus < 1232148393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya < 1232148399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232148399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk again < 1232148479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: any other numbers you want graphed? < 1232148493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I should graph the size of the IRC logs in #esoteric < 1232148686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 03.01.17 to 08.10.31: < 1232148687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% wc -c *.*.* | head -n -1 | perl -pe's/\s+(\d+).*/$1/' | squish 100 | sparkline < 1232148688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▃▂▂▂▁▁▄▃▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▄▅▄▃▂▃▃▂▃▄▄▃▆▅▄▃▄▆▇▇▆▆█ < 1232148699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: this place only gets more active over time. < 1232148736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr 10-length version: ▁▁▁▁▂▂▃▄▄█ < 1232148803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr 2-length comedy version: ▁█ < 1232149082 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232149111 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def chunked(iterable,size): return itertools.izip(*[iter(iterable)]*size) ... print ' '.join(str(1.0 * sum(chk) / len(chk)) for chk in chunked((float(x) for x in sys.argv[2:] or sys.stdin.read().strip().split()),int(sys.argv[1]))) < 1232149112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaa ,this looks awesome: http://pastie.org/362943.txt < 1232149119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ok, and ? : < 1232149120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232149128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your chunking fails < 1232149133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it doesn'taccount non-divisible lengths < 1232149154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... mine is more elegant, works better, and is probably faster :-P < 1232149277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. i generated that arrow like this < 1232149277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in `seq 20`; do (seq $i; seq $i | tac) | sparkline; done; for i in `seq 20 | tac`; do (seq $i; seq $i | tac) | sparkline; done < 1232149900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i just read one of your reddit comments! < 1232149903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should stop internet-stalking me < 1232149914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1232149920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth are you doing there < 1232149939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd tell you, but it'd be annoyingly tedious and you wouldn't understand. < 1232150021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get that you're graphing channel activity < 1232150027 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was more nterested in what you're using to do it < 1232150040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc(1), squish(1) and sparkline(1) < 1232150055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter two I wrote myself < 1232150068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the pastie link I gave is just to some random arty thing I made with it < 1232150070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not channel activity < 1232150142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/2177201ae448ab894682b16d557f5544fb678e7b < 1232150195 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kioskmongo! < 1232150335 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i presume wc, squish, and sparkline are run in the shell? < 1232150355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so link? < 1232150362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I'm going to bed in a second < 1232150526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw. < 1232150528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no shit < 1232150573 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i was just curious. < 1232150581 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so! ehird, how do you make your ircbots? < 1232150588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand. < 1232150593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1232150602 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what languages/tools do you use to achieve it < 1232150603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no download? < 1232150631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not yet :D < 1232150640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Python or whatever. < 1232150648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well can you paste it in /msg so I can read it tomorrow then? < 1232150653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm going to bed now < 1232150658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you can't read the logs? :P < 1232150664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually run out of logs < 1232150664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1232150669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot ehird < 1232150681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use python, how do you hook into IRC? < 1232150684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION need to go to buy some more logs at the mall tomorrow
< 1232150692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs* < 1232150818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all! < 1232150827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: a network connection. < 1232150833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about programming...? < 1232150955 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232150967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ehird, i know plenty about programming. :P < 1232150972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently. < 1232150981 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i DONT know about using python to connect to an IRC server < 1232150990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn about network programming. < 1232150993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, learn the irc protocol. < 1232150996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put the two together. < 1232151026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an appropriate answer from you would be something more like "I use the so and so class to handle the communication with the server" < 1232151026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232151027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do you know how to IRC over telnet? < 1232151034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't. < 1232151047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write/read the IRC protocol to a socket because it's trivial and wrapping irc only leads to pain along the line. < 1232151069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1232151085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do you know how to irc over telnet? < 1232151091 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232151108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: open a shell. < 1232151108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 < 1232151108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type this in: < 1232151119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER blahblah * * :foo baz < 1232151123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK blahblahfoo < 1232151125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric < 1232151130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1232151193 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection timed out :( < 1232151205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: at which part? < 1232151239 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... < 1232151240 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Checking ident < 1232151241 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname < 1232151243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** No identd (auth) response < 1232151245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) < 1232151247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection closed by foreign host. < 1232151257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you typed too slowly < 1232151259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type the USER/NICK lines faster < 1232151266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the login procedure is timed < 1232151268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest isn't though < 1232151276 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didnt realize that that was the "prompt" so to speak. < 1232151281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232151283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a blank line. hah. < 1232151284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1232151311 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1232151312 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the parts of USER blah blah * * :foo baz? < 1232151319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232151322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's USER blahblah * * :foo baz < 1232151327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do it first, then you'll se < 1232151328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232151332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232151384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well? < 1232151392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing. < 1232151406 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... < 1232151406 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname, welcome back < 1232151407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: copy the shell session and paste it here < 1232151408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Checking ident < 1232151410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** No identd (auth) response < 1232151412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER blahblah * * :foo baz < 1232151412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232151414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) < 1232151416 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection closed by foreign host. < 1232151422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: start typing as soon as you hit enter on the telnet < 1232151425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to wait for the server lines < 1232151428 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1232151445 0 :blahblahfoo!n=blahblah@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232151448 0 :blahblahfoo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1232151454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahblahfoo: HELLO TO YOU TOO < 1232151475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do a /whois blahblahfoo in your regular client < 1232151477 0 :blahblahfoo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm anmaster... look it works, same lines you pasted ehird. So well < 1232151487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232151493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahblahfoo == PEBKAC < 1232151494 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's saying that its not me < 1232151495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232151495 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause its not < 1232151498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive < 1232151503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is having PEBKAC < 1232151506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he fails to connect < 1232151514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just succeeded, dumbass < 1232151516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1232151517 0 :blahblahfoo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232151521 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was anmaster < 1232151526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1232151526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was me yes < 1232151529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* blahblahfoo (n=blahblah@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se) has joined #esoteric < 1232151533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cust.tele2.se < 1232151533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... I'm anmaster < 1232151545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo, psygnisfive try again: P < 1232151550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, also if you fail at it you are pasting too fast or too slow < 1232151563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up AnMaster < 1232151572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being condescending is not helpful, unless you're microsoft. < 1232151595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darryl-mcadamss-macbook-pro-15:~ darrylmcadams$ telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 < 1232151596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 209.177.146.34... < 1232151597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER blahblah * * :foo bazConnected to chat.freenode.net. < 1232151599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape character is '^]'. < 1232151600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how it is helpful if you are MS? < 1232151601 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER blahblah * * :foo bazNOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... < 1232151603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname, welcome back < 1232151605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** Checking ident < 1232151607 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE AUTH :*** No identd (auth) response < 1232151609 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) < 1232151611 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection closed by foreign host. < 1232151612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: where's the NICK line. < 1232151617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1232151624 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. :D < 1232151629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:11 type this in: < 1232151629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12 USER blahblah * * :foo baz < 1232151630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12 NICK blahblahfoo < 1232151632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12 JOIN #esoteric < 1232151634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1232151666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theeere we do. < 1232151679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no blahblahfoo in here. < 1232151681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done the other lines? < 1232151682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, also read RFC 1459, though no one obey it < 1232151685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232151686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on you < 1232151688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't read rfc 1459. < 1232151690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worthless < 1232151693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, better than nothing < 1232151699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1232151705 0 :augur_!n=blahblah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232151716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur_ < 1232151730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232151730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi, augur_ < 1232151733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1232151736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a PRIVMSG < 1232151748 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1232151749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though he fails to type when his input seems to get overwritten I bet < 1232151763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fuck off if you're just going to talk about how much of an idiot he is, please < 1232151772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I fail at it < 1232151775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1232151779 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232151780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not saying that < 1232151783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232151786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes getting used to < 1232151800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit does get overwritten < 1232151804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did I part and join? < 1232151812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so, now you've seen: < 1232151813 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignoring the overwrite doesnt suffice < 1232151813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to connect < 1232151815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to join < 1232151818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to send a message < 1232151819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is testing his bnc "don't part channel ever"
< 1232151820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1232151820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1232151822 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have, sir, so i have! < 1232151824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what received messages look like < 1232151827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope, you didn't < 1232151833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so. < 1232151833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, great it works finally _D < 1232151834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D* < 1232151842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: open a tcp socket to irc.freenode.net, port 6667 < 1232151849 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232151850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print the connection lines, including a join < 1232151858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just use a regexp to match the incoming message lines as you see < 1232151862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and react with matching privmsgs < 1232151866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. thank you sir :D < 1232151868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's USER ident * * :realname < 1232151875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what the USER command does < 1232151877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, those * have meaning though < 1232151880 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232151881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really < 1232151885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the newer irc rfc, yes. < 1232151889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the older one, everyone ignores them. < 1232151892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232151895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net result is it's best to leave them as * < 1232151903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you value standards over things that actually work, I realise < 1232151906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1232151913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one use them < 1232151914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i get around to coding my little language, i will create a bot for it < 1232151920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just pointing out that they have meaning < 1232151929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so youz guys can play with it < 1232151932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1232151934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1232151941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to pick an obscure bot prefix :P < 1232151946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, $$ or something < 1232151947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$ code < 1232151952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a name for the language first tho < 1232151963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fgsfds < 1232151967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRILLIANT < 1232152002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% (seq 10 | tac; seq 10) | sparkline < 1232152002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▇▆▅▄▄▃▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇█ < 1232152003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheeeeeeeeeee < 1232152017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it mildly humorous that theres a book on tree-based automata called "tata" < 1232152040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: (for i in 1 2 3; do seq 10 | tac; seq 10; done) | sparkline < 1232152047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fun < 1232152053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need 9 at the end < 1232152054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1232152076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, now make it cycle around and do a clear each time :-) < 1232152077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get waves < 1232152092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well pastebin the result? < 1232152103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232152107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% (for i in 1 2 3; do seq 10 | tac; seq 10; done) | sparkline < 1232152108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▇▆▅▄▄▃▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇██▇▆▅▄▄▃▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇██▇▆▅▄▄▃▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▄▄▅▆▇█ < 1232152112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232152117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for waves hm... < 1232152119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making that cycle around + clear should make waves < 1232152126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you start somewhere else? < 1232152133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling hills! < 1232152136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 1..10..1 < 1232152138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1232152139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232152143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using seq, < 1232152145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq START END < 1232152150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seq END is seq 1 END) < 1232152162 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232152166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need to move the start/end one to the left each time < 1232152169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the clear < 1232152172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232152176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries
< 1232152192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I won't try write it unless you paste your sparkline program < 1232152211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin* < 1232152227 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-124-131.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232152241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so night really now, I need to sleep < 1232152246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% j=1;while true; do (for i in 1 2 3; do seq $j $((j+10)) | tac; seq $j $((j+10)); done) | sparkline; j=$((j+1)); done < 1232152247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1232152252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it just outputs the same thing all the time < 1232152266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't help you debug it without the script < 1232152268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1232152280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script has defined behaviour that you already know, so no you don't nede the script :P < 1232152290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I pasted the irc log example in another channel, they thought it was really cool < 1232152305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put it up you should reddit! < 1232152310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▃▂▂▂▁▁▄▃▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▄▅▄▃▂▃▃▂▃▄▄▃▆▅▄▃▄▆▇▇▆▆█? < 1232152312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one looks nice < 1232152319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah think it was that one < 1232152324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232152328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which channel btw? < 1232152331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<~Spaz> wtf? < 1232152331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<~Spaz> that's really cool < 1232152331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<~Spaz> unicode graphs < 1232152331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<~Lapper> That is pretty damn cool. < 1232152334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1232152338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, private channel on another network < 1232152346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, invite only, by owner < 1232152360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i visited one of them once, till i realised i didn't like anyone there < 1232152377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one of those persons? < 1232152384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232152385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "such a channel"? < 1232152391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a channel yeah < 1232152395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232152399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except anyone there is allowed to invite anyone else < 1232152399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like that one < 1232152403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with sparkline(1) is that, well, you only have 8 different heights of bar < 1232152406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to unicode only having that many < 1232152411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1232152414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full bar < 1232152416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might make it so that it can stack them < 1232152418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. use multiple lines < 1232152420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232152424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I was going to say < 1232152426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doubles per line :P < 1232152443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in a NxM grid < 1232152451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll just be something like < 1232152464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparkline -l 3 < 1232152464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w 100 -h 5 < 1232152465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1232152466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 3 lines max < 1232152473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1232152477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes ok < 1232152478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for width just use squish on the values first < 1232152483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232152484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232152494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now can I try the current version please? < 1232152498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so secret!? < 1232152505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, fine I'll link you a paste in privmsg :D < 1232152511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's secret because it's fun being secret :D) < 1232152511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :D < 1232152516 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1232152525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hate xmas because everyone is secret < 1232152529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232153342 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys! < 1232153354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend has said something about this: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-malbolge-995.html < 1232153372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, that the odd striations look like a 1D CA's evolution < 1232153389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1232153395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just coincidence though < 1232153398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1232153400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just how malbolge works < 1232153410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pattern (diagonal lines of characters roughly parallel to y = -x) is not a feature of the code. < 1232153411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My programming method uses many "NOP" intructions, < 1232153413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why the pattern will occur corresponding to the specification of Malbolge. < 1232153428 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... i challenge you to design a 1D CA who's time evolution infact generates valid malbolge code. :D < 1232153429 0 :adimit!n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232153432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BF code or something. < 1232153438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there he is < 1232153444 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1232153461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi adimit < 1232153487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon ehird, you know you wanna do it < 1232153487 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BF might be easier/more natural to a CA though. Malbogle has too many characters, and CAs actually only have two 'characters' < 1232153493 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird :-) < 1232153496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok BF then < 1232153508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CA's dont need just two cell states < 1232153539 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but having a CA with that many cell states might prove... well, more difficult. < 1232153562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit, this is #esoteric. more difficult is half the fun! < 1232153665 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm new to the game :-) < 1232153696 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird whats your favorite esolang? < 1232153707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or which esolang do you write the most code in < 1232153722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :favourite: Underload or Unlambda, probably < 1232153728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most written: probably underload with fungot here < 1232153729 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: come, come to an endangered species... both of us... it'd be sad about? you don't have anywhere or anyone to go to work, back to life at some time... < 1232153755 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's a regular postmodernist poet < 1232153755 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right, cloud.... too? with super glue? oh, i'm pissed! i doubt shinra will attack now. < 1232153770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1232153770 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7* fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1232153771 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i understand him better than i do finnegans wake < 1232153775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1232153775 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1232153783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh man. fizzie: PUT FINNEGAN'S WAKE INTO FUNGOT! < 1232153785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1232153786 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you know for yourself whatever and i said this is what i heard as well < 1232153792 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird dont < 1232153794 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont do it < 1232153798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll kill fizzie < 1232153798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232153817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit: btw, here's your initiation goat, sacrifice it: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1232153818 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm in kentucky my name is rhea noise yeah < 1232153820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the source to fungot) < 1232153821 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and that's it and um they're back in school and everything i i'm sure glad i don't live like where my parents live in pittsburgh but i live in < 1232153841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (it also interprets underload)S < 1232153841 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also interprets underload < 1232153845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!and bf! < 1232153845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bf! < 1232153873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did fizzie really code all of that? < 1232153874 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man.. < 1232153878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232153884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see what i mean, adimit? < 1232153885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you haven't seen mycology < 1232153900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/files/befunge/mycology/mycology.zip < 1232153903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open mycology.b98 < 1232153908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gape in awe at Deewiant's insanity < 1232153928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats mycology?? is that one of his esolangs? < 1232153932 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what? is? that? < 1232153941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: mycology is a test suite for befunge 98, same language fungot is written in < 1232153942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it would drive me absolutely nuts i could never move anywhere the traffic would drive me crazy but uh uh < 1232153944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tests just about everything < 1232153946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is crazy < 1232153953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit: the befunge-98 source code to the fungot irc bot! < 1232153962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1232153962 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1232153977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul str:N < 1232153977 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1232153983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, guess he never got that working < 1232154009 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :-) < 1232154033 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually writing an IRC bot in Prolog once, but that's not nearly half as fun as this thing... < 1232154047 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prolog source was actually readable. < 1232154050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to write one in forth, but then I killed myself < 1232154051 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit ehird... < 1232154054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology wtf < 1232154090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1232154140 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually didn't pull through the prolog project either. The threading stuff was quite weird. But I started from scratch again, maybe I'll finish it someday. ##compling needs a better bot. < 1232154185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compling needs a bot that doesnt mention chomsky being cunnilingual every time you say "syntax" < 1232154186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232154203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the purpose of the compling bot anyway < 1232154229 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, DrNI just put it online sometime. It doesn't have a purpose. I regularly kick it out if it gets on my nerves. < 1232154254 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write one in Haskell, but there already is one.. < 1232154305 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot have BF interpreter? < 1232154305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit: yeah there here in arkansas it was the classics you know there were no < 1232154341 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that sounds an awful lot like Mr. Markov spinning in his grave... < 1232154341 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit: great great great while um i even did weightlifting for a while i like a lot < 1232154597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once made a markov chain word generator that would take a sample test and use it the analyze the form of words with parameterized length of the string of letters that's used to predict the next letter in the word. < 1232154616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally it'd reinvent an existing word that wasn't in its input data. < 1232154621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mildly happy when i saw that. < 1232154630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample text* < 1232155798 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232156473 0 :wkqwl!n=perl@64.55.144.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232156486 0 :wkqwl!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tune into buttplugs and shitty ass languages! < 1232156496 0 :wkqwl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1232156497 0 :wkqwl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back! < 1232156504 0 :wkqwl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wkqlqw < 1232156566 0 :wkqlqw!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :dviakawe < 1232156572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dviakawe < 1232156574 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1232156579 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssssss < 1232156580 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1232156586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please change the topic back to include the link to the logs. < 1232156596 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wont < 1232156597 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1232156604 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1232156608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he removed the link to the logs < 1232156613 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1232156646 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dviakawe, are you randomly following me? lol < 1232156660 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232156665 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for channels without +t < 1232156667 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEHE < 1232156671 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go check the emacs topic < 1232156675 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1232156677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1232156684 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom works < 1232156685 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does < 1232156685 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu cunt < 1232156695 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#emacs < 1232156697 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsi mom works < 1232156733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont we have ops? < 1232156750 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE < 1232156757 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you < 1232156816 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1232156823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dc is sooo much faster than gnu's < 1232156830 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time echo "0sa1[la1+dsa*la10000>b]dsbx"|./a.out < 1232156837 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.128s < 1232156845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o; < 1232156851 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time echo "0sa1[la1+dsa*la10000>b]dsbx"|dc < 1232156855 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m5.420s < 1232156882 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 40 times faster < 1232157626 0 :dviakawe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1232157692 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's because gnu dc 1) doesn't optimize tail-recursion, and 2) doesn't use the hardware stack for recursion < 1232163619 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232163627 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232165141 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232165149 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232165274 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232168255 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232169871 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys optimize this function: http://pastebin.ca/1310636 < 1232169946 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like optimizing code that isn't referentially transparent. < 1232170000 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pointless to optimize code that's referentially transparent. < 1232170013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because interpreting it is going to be slow as hell anywa < 1232170043 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that why you compile it instead? < 1232170069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same deal < 1232171909 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232171917 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232172705 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Does mpz_init_set_str need a '\0'? Does it modify the input? Otherwise you could just give it *input. < 1232172785 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a possiblity < 1232172873 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: If mpz_init_set_str does need a '\0', I'd change it to need a length-argument instead. Then you'd just need to calculate how long the number is... < 1232172923 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpz_init_set_str does need the '\0', but i think putting the '\0' in input would be ok < 1232172947 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to suggest that as a last possibility :P < 1232173585 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm dumb < 1232173592 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying input won't work < 1232173901 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you change it back when you're done? < 1232174100 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mpz_init_set_str your own function? Maybe create a new mpz_init_set_strn(mpz_t* obj, char* str, int len, int base) ? < 1232174164 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my function < 1232174261 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about you count the number of digits, allocate just that amount (+1 for '\0'), and use strncpy? < 1232174265 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232174349 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: tried that already, it's slower < 1232174362 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does GETC do except *(*x++) ? < 1232174381 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1232174409 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that < 1232174642 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bed < 1232174650 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shower and breakfast < 1232174803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* < 1232174846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hi < 1232175248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it should have transactions < 1232175445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ristet brød er nemt at lave, blot man vil erindre, at når det oser, skal det have to minutter mindre." - Piet Hein < 1232175485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes the web could agree with itself on how to spell that quote
< 1232175757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove "at", i think < 1232176136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone should stop internet-stalking me < 1232176141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's no fun! < 1232176201 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232176209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : by hand. < 1232176242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finest handcrafted wooden irc bots < 1232177483 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-93-23.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232178069 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232178076 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232179199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232179200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232180073 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-218.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232181614 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232181730 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232182664 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232182679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1232182689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232182703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Ristet brød er nemt at lave, blot man vil erindre, at når det oser, skal det have to minutter mindre." - Piet Hein <-- translation? < 1232182716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too sleepy to be able to parse Norwegian
< 1232182783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rosen bread is "nemt at lave", but we want to remind, when it "oser", it shall have two minutes less? < 1232182786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1232182793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this time in the morning < 1232182800 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232183289 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232183358 0 :moozilla!i=moozilla@c-67-160-125-205.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232184118 0 :qwertyxxxxllll!n=user@a88-114-246-150.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232184758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually it's danish < 1232184788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1232184792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and translation? < 1232184803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toast is easy to make, as long as you remember, when it's smoking, it needs two minutes less < 1232184819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232184879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bus, or possibly haircut -> < 1232184883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232184904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1232184930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can't use "->", he isn't from .fi... < 1232184940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist < 1232185073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, hm, nop, it is more like if someone would ask (in German) for directions to Trafalgar Square while being located in Paris. < 1232185123 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, this is the internet. < 1232185128 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got international flavor. < 1232185326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, you don't think it would be a good idea to ask that in Paris? < 1232185327 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1232185355 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only because people would not understand < 1232185361 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here, we totally understand < 1232185391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what about "as above, but 2 years after the end of the second world war"? < 1232185421 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there an internet war here? < 1232185422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232185443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, true there wasn't < 1232185446 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232185555 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, remember the wisdom of VIP quality : < 1232185556 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers7/Take%20it%20easy.jpg < 1232185582 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232185602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, interesting pic, but I fail to see what the figures are supposed to be < 1232185623 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four kittens at a table. < 1232185635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense then heh < 1232185639 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know the 2channel kittens? < 1232185648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232185652 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers7/50GET.jpg < 1232185654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 2channel? < 1232185654 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULD < 1232185662 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know 4chan, AnMaster? < 1232185669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of it. < 1232185685 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2channel is sort of the grandfather of 4chan. < 1232185695 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an anonymous BBS is Japan. < 1232185705 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the biggest motherfucking forum in the world :o < 1232185710 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Japan* < 1232185712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have run into /b/tards on irc. Horrible. < 1232185721 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I horrible? :( < 1232185739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are an /b/tard? In that case I have seen much worse < 1232185744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* < 1232185838 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2channel was a textboard, the memes could not be in pictures. < 1232185856 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a shitload of ASCII (or, more accurately, SJIS) art for it. < 1232185889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232185916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as this little fellow here : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers7/Shii.jpg < 1232185942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may remember her from this : http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/shii < 1232185954 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure do, 'cause it was my first contact with chan culture :o < 1232185974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, from "missing plugin"? < 1232185988 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get flash negro < 1232185995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I'm not going to < 1232186002 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you! < 1232186037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a .mp4 here : http://keepvid.com/save-video.mp4?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fget_video%3Fvideo_id%3DirF5fEMixng%26t%3DOEgsToPDskJ7hZfQUZ2c0P1OfX12Ahra%26fmt%3D18 < 1232186079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a youtube link I could play anyway. There is no need for flash for that. You can use mplayer if you know how. < 1232186103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the .mp4 of a youtube video < 1232186145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sound? < 1232186159 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be! < 1232186164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't < 1232186180 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube link is : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=irF5fEMixng < 1232186181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIDEO: [avc1] 320x240 24bpp 29.970 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) < 1232186182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audio: no sound < 1232186233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, btw isn't that the awful "hello kitten" thing? It looks very similar anyway. < 1232186240 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1232186263 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just how it was rendered from the bunch of characters that makes up the original < 1232186287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, hm? < 1232186293 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you'll see one with a russian D for a mouth. < 1232186402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian D? < 1232186440 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_(Cyrillic) < 1232186593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232186648 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232186689 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mony < 1232186966 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232186970 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232187397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1232187409 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good free program to screencap videos? < 1232187421 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I know there's none for flash to video < 1232187899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232187908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooo < 1232187909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooo < 1232187911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooo < 1232187912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo < 1232187916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooo < 1232187919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187920 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ko < 1232187921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232187925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1232187951 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I got a video out, but no sound :( < 1232188024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to logs to the topic plz. < 1232188048 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot xchat" < 1232188092 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232188105 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232188472 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232188590 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232188658 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232188670 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232188738 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232189136 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232189218 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232189225 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232189515 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232189570 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232189957 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232190025 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232190056 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-39-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232190615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1232190625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get google to convert australian dollars < 1232190652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USD -> SEK works, but AUD doesn't < 1232190682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooo < 1232190725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1232190726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1232190737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hi < 1232190821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232191075 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oklopol a bot < 1232191557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232191613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla, no < 1232191746 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232191747 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kik < 1232191749 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol* < 1232192237 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232192699 0 :qwertyxxxxllll!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232193611 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232193616 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232198024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fun talking to you, but now shoppe time -> < 1232198128 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232198144 0 :decipher!n=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232198270 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232200672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, Language::Befunge now runs mycology in 18 seconds!! http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-shave-10-speed.html < 1232201157 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232201917 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the mycology speed record? < 1232202192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers running it manually
< 1232202199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be a fun week < 1232202203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is it? < 1232202205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks source
< 1232202219 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: make sure you pass the test suite first < 1232202235 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a shame to waste that week doing it all wrong < 1232202537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i ran sanity.bf already < 1232202561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna make a befunge interp now :< < 1232202568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION DEMANDS more time
< 1232203001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1232203203 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a part of mycology where it invokes the 'y' instruction 675 times (to test the timer fingerprint) < 1232203217 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that would get old quickly < 1232203248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so what happens if you forget a couple of hundred 'y's? < 1232203313 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232203328 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it just discards the values that y pushes < 1232203358 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you were doing it by hand you could optimise it :) < 1232203848 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232204173 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232204564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ < 1232204567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232204574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that wasn't me. < 1232204585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ä,,? < 1232204594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm „? < 1232204601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is that a double-comma? < 1232204605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what character that was. < 1232204611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you make it? < 1232204655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't. it wasn't me. it was my blanket. < 1232204744 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ä (A umlaut), encoded in utf-8 as à + „ < 1232204809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was a blanket statement? < 1232204827 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232204881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tune in for buttplugs and other aspects of esoteric programming < 1232204992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait. < 1232204994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tune into buttplugs and shitty aSS languages! < 1232205003 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232205008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth in advertising! < 1232205015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no logs < 1232205032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes someone should make like a bot that puts logs into topic < 1232205032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232205100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be possible with bsmnt_bot < 1232205110 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid unicode breaking my (irssi|screen|PuTTY)! < 1232205131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking? < 1232205141 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232205157 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tune into buttplugs and shitty aSS languages! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232205169 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi does... odd things... when people talk in unicode < 1232205181 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the status bar disappears, that sort of thing < 1232205191 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232205245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: try setting some of the recode options < 1232205288 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232205292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 recode_autodetect_utf8 = ON < 1232205292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 recode_fallback = CP1252 < 1232205292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 recode = ON < 1232205292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 recode_out_default_charset = utf8 < 1232205292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 recode_transliterate = ON < 1232205295 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232205311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be necessary though, all three are set to support unicode < 1232205321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232205333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using latin-1 still < 1232205378 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232205382 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232205443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's screen, i'm not using that < 1232205767 0 :Asztal_!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232205792 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust528.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1232205861 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃! < 1232205873 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232206439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal, hm it is snowing and you don't like it? < 1232206612 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this SSH client, I see an a with a hat < 1232206619 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in PuTTY, I just saw a box < 1232206693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logs, i saw a cat < 1232206781 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in either SSH client, that big line of funny As has turned into a diagonal line in irssi < 1232206784 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd :( < 1232207158 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232207195 0 :Asztal_!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232207591 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232207604 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232207722 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232207821 0 :join!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-93-23.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232207830 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232208253 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232208267 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232208370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232208382 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1232208646 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232209703 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... A hollow sphere with the same mass as earth (but larger radius to compensate for the interior). How would gravity behave on the inside? Would you fall towards the centre? Would you be weight-less? Would you fall outwards towards the crust? < 1232209739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weight-less, with newtonian gravity < 1232209741 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd fall to the centre, still < 1232209741 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX : You would fall at the center. < 1232209759 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you would oscillate once there < 1232209763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weight-less, with newtonian gravity. i remember this. < 1232209807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't exactly that hard to show, is it. < 1232209825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't remember the exact derivation < 1232209974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm how's gravity between two points calculated? i know 0 about physics < 1232209990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F = G m1 m2 / r^2 < 1232209992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i could probably just think for a sec and see it < 1232209997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ofc. < 1232210076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the gravity from a sphere on the _outside_ is exactly the same as from the equivalent mass at the center of the sphere < 1232210112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/at/squeezed into a point at/ < 1232210311 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks
< 1232210420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume both of these things can be shown by integration, but i don't remember if there was any simplifying trick involved. < 1232210554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the second had something to do with gauss's theorem, i think < 1232210622 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, density... < 1232210645 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1232210827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually i think they both follow from Gauss's theorem < 1232210920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, integrating density over the volume inside (that what you are thinking of kerlo?) gives the same result as integrating the normal part of the force at the boundary. simplify this with symmetry. < 1232210951 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a moment, I almost have an integral here. < 1232210964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(symmetry gives that the force at the boundary _is_ normal, so the normal part is all of it) < 1232210985 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to add how to find the horizontal component of a vector of a certain length in a certain direction... < 1232210989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the same all over the sphere < 1232211046 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = r cos(theta), theta = arctan(y/x), so x = r cos(arctan(y/x)), aye? < 1232211097 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove: for all c between -1 and 1, integral from -1 to 1 of cos(arctan(sqrt(1-x^2)/(x-c)))*sqrt(1-x^2)/((1-x^2)+(x-c)^2) = 0. < 1232211118 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a better way to write cos(arctan(y/x))... < 1232211143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232211161 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'll stick that whole big thing into a Mathematica integrator. I'm not good at taking integrals without manipulating them symbolically. < 1232211266 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=Cos(ArcTan(Sqrt(1-x^2)%2F(x-c)))*Sqrt(1-x^2)%2F((1-x^2)%2B(x-c)^2)&random=false < 1232211317 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's huge. < 1232211352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck that's pretty :D < 1232211361 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I get for assuming that two-dimensional things are simpler than three-dimensional things. < 1232211402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt gravity works the same way in both dimensions < 1232211411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely doesn't work in one dimension < 1232211415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait does it < 1232211426 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objection dismissed. :-P < 1232211458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, i think it corresponds to having to points and the guy near one of them |_guy______________| < 1232211480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two points one guy < 1232211505 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232211507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in two dimensions you want gravitation to go as 1/r rather than 1/r^2 to keep it a conservative force < 1232211507 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, prove that the integral for x^2+y^2+z^2 = 1 of 1/((x-a)^2+(y-b)^2+(z-c)^2) = 0 for all a^2+b^2+c^2 < 1. < 1232211537 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232211549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A two-dimensional thing *is* a three-dimensional thing. < 1232211558 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just one that is contained entirely within a plane. < 1232211571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very misleading for gravity < 1232211587 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i suppose that depends on what you mean by three-dimensional :P < 1232211601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how many dimensions gravity has to escape in determines how fast it weakens with distance < 1232211633 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravity still has to escape in three dimensions here. < 1232211666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1232211666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232211705 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to divide by r^2 to get the result in the correct units < 1232211738 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing two-dimensional about my circle-whose-density-at-a-point-is-proportional-to-that-point's-distance-to-the-diameter is that it's contained entirely within a plane. It's an infinitesimal piece of a three-dimensional sphere. < 1232211750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a constant G there, its units could change with a different number of dimensions < 1232211751 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232211756 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232211759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's easy to adapt < 1232211779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading slereah explain chan culture to anmaster was the highlight of my day < 1232211823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think i shall not ponder that idea lest my head explode < 1232211825 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how to integrate over a set
< 1232211831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.01.17 < 1232211834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys why doesnt you email neil degrasse tyson or brian green or michio kaku and ask them these things for certain < 1232211835 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : I wanted to show him this : http://astrange.ithinksw.net/shii/view?url=hammer&name=vip.show < 1232211839 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1232211842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already browsed the logs < 1232211847 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bum's got no flash player < 1232211887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i guess my head already exploded then < 1232211908 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a cross section, I guess. < 1232211914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a bad cold. Might be kind of less active for a few days < 1232211915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :A secret area of VIP quality. Colon right-parenthesis. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232211918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1232211953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is influenza going around, i assume sweden has it too < 1232211954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think you'd be more active. < 1232211961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:57:52 woot, Language::Befunge now runs mycology in 18 seconds!! http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-shave-10-speed.html < 1232211964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast :P < 1232211970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:18:37 so what's the mycology speed record? < 1232211972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0.3ms < 1232211974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i seem to have escaped it so far < 1232211979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because AnMaster does no thing but optimise cfunge < 1232211988 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's simplify my fancy integral. < 1232211996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what diseases do, make you do less, and irc more < 1232212008 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove: for all c between -1 and 1, integral from -1 to 1 of cos(arctan(sqrt(1-x^2)/(x-c)))/((1-x^2)+(x-c)^2) = 0. < 1232212014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i still recommend a gauss's law approach < 1232212016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this may or may not be the infulenza < 1232212017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1232212024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self < 1232212028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(self) < 1232212028 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xf7c7e6ec> < 1232212032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(dir(self)) < 1232212033 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['COMMAND_CHAR', 'THREADING', '__doc__', '__init__', '__module__', 'ban', 'ban_file', 'banlist', 'chan', 'commands_running', 'commands_running_lock', 'connect', 'connected', 'disconnect', 'do_callbacks', 'do_ctcp', 'do_exec', 'do_kill', 'do_ps', 'do_quit', 'do_raw', 'error_in_chan', 'errorchan', 'exec_execer', 'get_message', 'handle_callback', 'host', 'ident', 'listen', 'l < 1232212033 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oad_callbacks', 'locals', 'message_re', 'nick', 'owner', 'pong', 'port', 'print_callbacks', 'raw', 'raw_regex_queue', 'read_bans', 'realname', 'register_raw', 'save_callbacks', 'socket', 'sockfile', 'unban', 'verbose', 'write_bans'] < 1232212037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232212046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(self.raw_regex_queue) < 1232212046 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0xf7cf2c98>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80e0ce0>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80dc828>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object < 1232212047 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 0x80dc628>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80dcc98>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80dd188>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80b9190>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80dd460>, >), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80e2cd0>, at 0xf7c7d72c>)] < 1232212048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 05:57:52 woot, Language::Befunge now runs mycology in 18 seconds!! http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-shave-10-speed.html <-- well it is in perl iirc, not a compiled language? < 1232212058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw < 1232212062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(dir(self.register_raw)) < 1232212063 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['__call__', '__class__', '__cmp__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__get__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__str__', 'im_class', 'im_func', 'im_self'] < 1232212064 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is *much* simpler: http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=Cos(ArcTan(Sqrt(1-x^2)%2F(x-c)))%2F((1-x^2)%2B(x-c)^2)&random=false < 1232212104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw < 1232212111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(self.raw) < 1232212111 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1232212129 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1232212131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us boon < 1232212134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % (m.group(1),)))) < 1232212135 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing < 1232212137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % (m.group(1),))))) < 1232212141 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232212142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a < 1232212144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1232212146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % (m.group(1),)))) < 1232212159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % (m.group(1),)) < 1232212161 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing < 1232212174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % (m.group(1),))) < 1232212179 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing < 1232212189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: self.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % m.group(1) )) < 1232212200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I am green < 1232212200 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'self' is not defined < 1232212203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1232212214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec (lambda this: self.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: this.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % m.group(1) )))(self) < 1232212215 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'self' is not defined < 1232212220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self = bot usually < 1232212223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec (lambda this: this.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: this.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % m.group(1) )))(self) < 1232212229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aa < 1232212233 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'self' is not defined < 1232212237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.exit(0) < 1232212243 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232212246 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232212247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1232212255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec (lambda this: this.register_raw(r':[^ ]+ TOPIC #esoteric :(.*)', lambda m: this.raw('TOPIC #esoteric :%s | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric' % m.group(1) )))(self) < 1232212258 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that seems to contain a surface integral. < 1232212259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._o < 1232212263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I am a big butt and who doesn't care < 1232212263 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'group' < 1232212280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.exit(0) < 1232212296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: put logs to topic < 1232212303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1232212304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: yes, it comes out to integrating the force around the sphere < 1232212307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude im writing a bot to do that < 1232212308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you see < 1232212311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i know < 1232212319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~quit < 1232212331 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to take a surface integral without using cross sections or something similarly silly. < 1232212332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm more interested in local optimization than global < 1232212358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: no one cares about calculus < 1232212381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it's over a sphere, and the value should be constant by symmetry, so just area * constant iirc < 1232212446 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1232212565 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find anything, let me know. < 1232212579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyone here is good at css? < 1232212584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird maybe < 1232212586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232212589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232212593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm not looking < 1232212622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm confused does: h1.foo { ... } and h1 .foo { ... } differ in meaning? < 1232212627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232212630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232212641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h1.foo is a h1 with class foo, h1 .foo is an element with class foo somewhere beneath an h1. < 1232212651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232212656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232212663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232212667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains a lot < 1232212668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ehird < 1232212708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh also, foo,.bar and foo, .bar are the same aren't they? < 1232212718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232212723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should use the latter < 1232212778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't a reduced size version be better if bw is an issue, of course the master copy will be kept readable, but the copy on the website would have unneeded spaces removed < 1232212800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference will be nelegible unless you're Google. < 1232212822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about 700 MB / month based on the output from webalizer. < 1232212835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all unneeded whitespaces are removed < 1232212841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what site is this? < 1232212851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's bullshit unless it's a really huge site. < 1232212852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared hosting so I can't add mod_compress or such :( < 1232212859 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I am a big butt and who doesn't care http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232212859 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'group' < 1232212867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, supertux website, the mediawiki css files < 1232212889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way you're saving 700MB on the supertux website just by removing whitespace. < 1232212894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the main css for mediawiki alone generate several GB of traffic per month < 1232212904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and newlines and uneeded ; before } < 1232212909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why arey ou using mediawiki? < 1232212916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't. < 1232212929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, before I joined the project < 1232212939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And?... < 1232212944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediawiki is a huge hog, it's beyond belief < 1232212949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1232212956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any drop in alternative? < 1232212972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I doubt you're using many of the advanced mediawiki features... < 1232212999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies, some yes, some no. < 1232213010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try DokuWiki or something. < 1232213017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite fullfeatured but non-hoggy. < 1232213037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gains will likely be much larger than removing whitespace from a css file... < 1232213104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.raw("QUIT") < 1232213104 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232213106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is this an open wiki? < 1232213107 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232213122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can't touch this! pythontime. < 1232213135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, some pages are "only devs can edit" though < 1232213150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ones with download links for last version and so on < 1232213153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to get rid of the broken code < 1232213154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, I was thinking making it a static site rendered into a layout with a script but that's obviously not appropriate in this case < 1232213157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1232213175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, idea < 1232213188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah static has been rejected except for the front page and a few other pages due to "too much work to update" by several devs < 1232213191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: supertux players are tech-savvy right? I mean, they use linux :-P < 1232213202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't mean hand-writing html < 1232213205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, anyway < 1232213206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1232213216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes they are, but they prefer to code on the game rather than mess with website < 1232213226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said players < 1232213232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just thinking < 1232213239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh players? no, not really < 1232213242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get lots of noobs too < 1232213243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1232213258 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232213263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could do a static wiki by having an open git/darcs/hg/etc repository that anyone can push to < 1232213267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a post-push hook that renders the site < 1232213270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact more than average of Ubuntutards and wintards < 1232213273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then, users have to use that version system < 1232213280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Windows? Seriously? < 1232213287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes... < 1232213309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That... doesn't make too much sense. < 1232213315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super *tux*. < 1232213321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1232213326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know why < 1232213372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if your users are incompetent you'll always have to sacrifice performance for them < 1232213384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to everything :P < 1232213446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but try dokuwiki < 1232213455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way less bloated and much less resource intensive < 1232213468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the html/css it outputs is learner < 1232213475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that could help a lot < 1232213503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm will take a look, of course I need to get the other devs (especially the project leader) to agree < 1232213519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teams suck. < 1232213541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This follows on from the axiom "other people suck". < 1232213542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/performance for // < 1232213562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. < 1232213592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan let's go on a murder spree < 1232213599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people die < 1232213605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes they have downsides, but also some good points, like how long would it take *one* person to write something like, uh, blender or firefox or whatever, Compared to how long it would take a team < 1232213629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, i dislike firefox because it's bloated. :P < 1232213639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a use for Blender but knowing me I'd probably say the same for it. < 1232213656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for collaboration I prefer the linus torvalds model. < 1232213666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still one person's projects, but you can send stuff along and he might take it. < 1232213679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(project)s/$1/ < 1232213683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well there are sure other good (but large) software < 1232213686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the linux kernel < 1232213702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel isn't large for what it does, though. < 1232213714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it isn't one persons project if that person isn't around any more, then it works on a team basis suddenly < 1232213720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes things are complex because they do complex things and it wouldn't be possible to do something much simpler. < 1232213729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and deteriorates. Better would be to pass down the torch. < 1232213739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDFL doesn't sound "open source"y, but it's practical. < 1232213747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um BDFL? < 1232213772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benevolent Dictator For Life < 1232213776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1232213780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples: < 1232213788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus torvalds, guido van rossum, larry wall, ETC < 1232213811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theo de Radt(sp?) ? < 1232213835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raadt* < 1232213858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not a good example ;P < 1232213859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, very benevolent :-P < 1232213867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1232213878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I agree with him in most cases. < 1232213900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one downside with open source for games: getting good artists is very very hard. < 1232213921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, plot writers. :P < 1232213937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SuperTux's intro is cringeworthy...) < 1232213948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1232213970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, supertux is jump and run, you don't need that much plot, compared to for example a RPG < 1232213976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it _is_ a carbon copy of Super Mario's plot. < 1232213981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess a lot of the blame lies on Nintendo. :P < 1232213984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "based on" < 1232213985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1232213992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1232214030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how _dare_ you force us to steal your crap < 1232214041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1232214052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1232214066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there was a pun in there? < 1232214074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was just stupid :D < 1232214083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232214093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache mod_deflate doesn't cache the compressed copy? < 1232214109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't you want to use gzip? < 1232214123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: yes < 1232214128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AnMaster < 1232214132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't cache dynamic content < 1232214133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1232214134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but what module? < 1232214136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed < 1232214147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's quite a few, iirc mod_gzip is one < 1232214160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you'll need a separate caching module < 1232214161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1232214173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can't choose that with a shared host. < 1232214181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not move it onto something non-shared :P < 1232214183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, shared hosting, I will have to do with what I can do in .htaccess < 1232214197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is apache 2.0.x < 1232214265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I'm not certain I can do this from .htaccess at all < 1232214268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION experiments
< 1232214331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe mod_gzip is third party? < 1232214342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I can't find it in apache docs < 1232214387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232214444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers writing a lisp. Because what more productive things exist?
< 1232214454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventful times, these. < 1232214469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventful? in what way? < 1232214481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a sarcastic way. < 1232214483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232214539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that spark wave, I started on it, but it is a bit complex since you need to possibly get a bit of next wave before clearing, so it is currently a quite complex script not yet done < 1232214550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partway done < 1232214562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you just need to tweak the numbers you pass to sparkline... < 1232214608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not exactly, as you said you need to clear the line to be able to cause the wave effect, that is goto start of line and overwrite it. < 1232214618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Er, i meant clear(1). < 1232214631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, um, can't you just do that with \r < 1232214635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., carriage return? < 1232214635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I'm using tput to do it < 1232214665 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisps! Everyone loves those! < 1232214671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: just do < 1232214674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232214674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1232214676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -ne '\r' < 1232214683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and echo -n everything else < 1232214697 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(', '.join([m.__name__ for m in dir(self) if callable(m)])) < 1232214705 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds that GHCi is conspicuously absent on this computer
< 1232214714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232214717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232214768 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(', '.join([getattr(self,m).__name__ for m in dir(self) if callable(getattr(self,m))])) < 1232214768 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__, ban, connect, disconnect, do_callbacks, do_ctcp, do_exec, do_kill, do_ps, do_quit, do_raw, exec_execer, get_message, handle_callback, listen, load_callbacks, pong, print_callbacks, raw, read_bans, register_raw, save_callbacks, unban, write_bans < 1232215447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r5rs is a wonderful language < 1232215459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah almost working < 1232215645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can the committee that authored R5RS produce something as awful as r6rs < 1232215971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-19: ordinal not in range(128) < 1232215972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1232216002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Use unicode strings. < 1232216008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're trying to do unicode stuff with normal stirngs. < 1232216010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't. < 1232216020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well sparkline said that < 1232216031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what data are you passing it? < 1232216048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I believe it may have received a terminal control code by mistake < 1232216056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is probably it. < 1232216079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming "trap 'tput cvvis; exit' INT TERM" while inside a piped function cause things to go to the pipe < 1232216085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of real stdout < 1232216093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. < 1232216109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway here it is: < 1232216112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/oVd5cO49.html < 1232216115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perfect < 1232216117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1232216151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By AnMater < 1232216174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| python ~/irc/sparkline < 1232216177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, | sparkline < 1232216181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232216214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It kind of works... but, I'm sure you could base waves on that for i in 1 2 3 thing you did yesterday < 1232216220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could work better < 1232216337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except it wasn't chmod +x and not in path < 1232216345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be >:D < 1232216358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't give ~/bin enough luv < 1232216359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also yes it was a quick hack < 1232216367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it stutters at one point < 1232216376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have around 10 scripts in ~/bin < 1232216377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AlmaMater < 1232216381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it stutters? < 1232216383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't here < 1232216384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232216391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232216392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as in < 1232216393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232216395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makse a jerky movement < 1232216403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes a mis calculation I believe < 1232216430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes
< 1232216434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If Jobs had realized the margins behind selling software and ported MacOS to Intel" < 1232216440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, who wants to tell him? < 1232216461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the idiots: 1. Steve Jobs is not a programmer 2. OS X _does_ run on Intel...) < 1232216468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232216502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, funny thing: < 1232216508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the off=$(( line < 1232216508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1232216510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off=$(( (off + 1) % 20 )) < 1232216513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fun to watch < 1232216517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though hardly correct < 1232216522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232216533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you coulds imulate game of life with this. < 1232216534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1232216535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was trying to fix the jerk
< 1232216543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing jerks is difficult < 1232216549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imulate"? < 1232216573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coulds imulate < 1232216575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could simulate < 1232216578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232216619 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(sys.version) < 1232216620 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4.3 (#1, Oct 25 2006, 21:45:16) < 1232216620 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[GCC 4.1.1 (Gentoo 4.1.1)] < 1232216633 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(callable(sys.stdout)) < 1232216633 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1232216636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232216637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo? < 1232216643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh < 1232216647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot is in a chroot < 1232216650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably built on gentoo < 1232216652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by bsmnt_bot < 1232216653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232216654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by bsmntbombdood < 1232216655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232216673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually runs on ewwbuntu :D < 1232216680 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buns too < 1232216687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww, buns too. < 1232216693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious buns < 1232216709 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.print_callbacks(sys.stdout) < 1232216709 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('^PING (.*)$', 'pong'), < 1232216709 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^:bsmntbombdood!\\S*gavin@\\S* PRIVMSG \\S* :~quit ?(.*)', 'do_quit'), < 1232216709 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^:bsmntbombdood!\\S*gavin@\\S* PRIVMSG \\S* :~raw (.*)', 'do_raw'), < 1232216710 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^\\S+ PRIVMSG \\S+ :~ctcp (\\S+) (.+)', 'do_ctcp'), < 1232216711 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^:bsmntbombdood!\\S*gavin@\\S* PRIVMSG (\\S*) :~pexec (.*)', 'do_exec'), < 1232216712 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('\\S+ PRIVMSG (#esoteric|#baadf00d|#esoteric-blah|#bsmnt_bot_errors) :~exec (.*)', < 1232216712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, bunnies < 1232216713 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'do_exec'), < 1232216714 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('\\S+ PRIVMSG \\S+ :~ps', 'do_ps'), < 1232216715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit MizardX < 1232216716 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^\\S+ PRIVMSG (#esoteric|#baadf00d|#esoteric-blah|#bsmnt_bot_errors) :~kill (.*)', < 1232216718 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'do_kill'), < 1232216720 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ('^ERROR :Closing Link:.*', '')] < 1232216720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD BOY. < 1232216726 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232216784 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(', '.join([getattr(self,m).__name__ for m in dir(self) if isinstance(getattr(self,m),list)])) < 1232216784 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute '__name__' < 1232216794 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(', '.join([m for m in dir(self) if isinstance(getattr(self,m),list)])) < 1232216795 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banlist, chan, commands_running, raw_regex_queue < 1232216800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: you know, < 1232216805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just get it to post its code to a pastebin < 1232216820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you listdir in python again? < 1232216823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os.path.listdir? < 1232216828 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os.listdir < 1232216839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import os; sys.stdout(os.listdir('.')) < 1232216839 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['bin', 'bot', 'etc', 'lib', 'usr'] < 1232216846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it lives in /bot < 1232216849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232216851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import os; sys.stdout(os.listdir('bot')) < 1232216851 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['files.img', 'a.out', 'scripts', 'betterbot.py', 'test.pickle', 'foo.py~', 'ski_repl.py', 'foo.py', 'ircbot.py~', 'start.sh', 'better.sh', 'start.sh~', 'ircbot.py', 'keep_running'] < 1232216858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _isn't_ betterbot. < 1232216871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ircbot.py. < 1232216884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to figure out how to make a paste to a pastebin < 1232216887 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import __main__; sys.stdout(__main__.__file__) < 1232216887 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bot/ircbot.py < 1232216891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232216905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, dpaste has a restful paste API. < 1232216906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with that. < 1232216919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(__import__('urllib2')) < 1232216921 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232216925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kick. Ass. < 1232216931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2 < 1232216937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for dpaste docs to load
< 1232216941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it I think < 1232216972 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec a=3 < 1232216974 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec a < 1232216974 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: name 'a' is not defined < 1232216985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: try assigning to bot < 1232216993 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.a=3 < 1232216994 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.a < 1232217009 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.a=3 < 1232217012 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.a < 1232217018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.stdout < 1232217019 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(self.a) < 1232217019 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232217019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dummy < 1232217027 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1232217028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot._vars = {}; bot.assign = lambda self, k, v: self._vars.__setitem__(k,v); bot.get = lambda self, k: self._vars.__getitem__(k) < 1232217034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec assign('a',2) < 1232217034 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: name 'assign' is not defined < 1232217037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1232217039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.assign('a',2) < 1232217039 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: () takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) < 1232217050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot._vars = {}; bot.assign = lambda k, v: bot._vars.__setitem__(k,v); bot.get = lambda k: bot._vars.__getitem__(k) < 1232217052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.assign('a',2) < 1232217057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(bot.get('a')) < 1232217057 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232217060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada < 1232217086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec open('ircbot.py').read()[:15] < 1232217087 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ircbot.py' < 1232217091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()[:15] < 1232217099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec coed=open('/bot/ircbot.py').read() < 1232217106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.assign('koed',open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()) < 1232217113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(bot.get('koed')) < 1232217114 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! /usr/bin/python < 1232217114 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import socket < 1232217114 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import re < 1232217114 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys < 1232217115 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import traceback < 1232217116 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import thread < 1232217117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1232217117 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import pprint < 1232217119 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import inspect < 1232217119 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232217121 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import time < 1232217123 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import os < 1232217125 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import threading < 1232217127 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import copy < 1232217128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.raw('QUIT') < 1232217129 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import pickle < 1232217131 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232217133 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232217134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.assign('koed',open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()) < 1232217135 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'assign' < 1232217139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1232217150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()[:15]) < 1232217151 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! /usr/bin/pyt < 1232217163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. Okay. < 1232217166 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(len(bot.get('koed'))) < 1232217166 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'get' < 1232217180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no persistence, its broken < 1232217193 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(repr(bot)) < 1232217194 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xf7caa6ec> < 1232217200 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(repr(self)) < 1232217200 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xf7caa6ec> < 1232217216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, think ive realised how to paste it < 1232217217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232217344 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(re) < 1232217344 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232217347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rafb.net/p/554io037.html < 1232217357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen('http://dpaste.com/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()).info()['Location']) < 1232217358 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URLError: < 1232217368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AnMater < 1232217371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1232217372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, it can't do networking < 1232217372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatn ow < 1232217374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy code yes < 1232217376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AnMater < 1232217382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232217383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By AnMater < 1232217388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# By AnMater < 1232217390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232217391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1232217391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 # By AnMater < 1232217398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr there was no dns when last we were fooling around with it < 1232217408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that makes sense < 1232217411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up dpaste.com
< 1232217415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rafb.net/p/YW5JPt53.html < 1232217425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen('http://69.55.225.29/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()).info()['Location']) < 1232217426 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found < 1232217435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we need a host header < 1232217461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well does the script work for you? < 1232217468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: will try in a bit < 1232217472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after fixing sparkline path < 1232217473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1232217519 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232217531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.open(urllib2.Request('http://69.55.225.29/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read(), {'Host': 'dpaste.com'})).info()['Location']) < 1232217531 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open' < 1232217538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen(urllib2.Request('http://69.55.225.29/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read(), {'Host': 'dpaste.com'})).info()['Location']) < 1232217539 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URLError: < 1232217546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_____________________________________; < 1232217552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there must be something you could put in the chroot to _get_ dns? < 1232217560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, im doing without dns :DD < 1232217562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen(urllib2.Request('http://69.55.225.29/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read(), {'Host': 'dpaste.com'})).info()['Location']) < 1232217572 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URLError: < 1232217629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1232217636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen(urllib2.Request('http://69.55.225.29/api/v1/', 'content=%s&language=Python&hold=1' % open('/bot/ircbot.py').read(), {})).info()['Location']) < 1232217646 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found < 1232217649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: wtf?! < 1232217658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is urllib doing some sort of dns lookup when its given Host? < 1232217681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my question too < 1232217721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ill just use sockets < 1232217782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ~exec exec perl? < 1232217786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python. < 1232217786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1232217796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes should replace it with perl < 1232217798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1232217812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least perl has a proper sandbox, the "safe" thing < 1232217823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1232217828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not suitable for actually sandboxing < 1232217832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1232217847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably ways to break out of it < 1232217857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just makes the interpreter totally useless. < 1232217861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232217868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅ < 1232217872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I notice < 1232217880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of the bars are the same height < 1232217890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what values should one pass to avoid that < 1232217899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of course you can't change how unicode works < 1232217913 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.open('http://whatismyipaddress.com/').read()[:15]) < 1232217913 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open' < 1232217924 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import urllib2; sys.stdout(urllib2.urlopen('http://whatismyipaddress.com/').read()[:15]) < 1232217924 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URLError: < 1232217926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ping eso-std.org < 1232217942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded)); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); while True: sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)) < 1232217946 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232217947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon work work work < 1232217949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1232217950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232217955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); while True: sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)) < 1232217958 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232217960 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232217969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1232217997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5)) while True: foo() < 1232217998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232217998 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232218000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5)); while True: foo() < 1232218003 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232218004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1232218005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1232218006 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232218010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't what < 1232218013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even know what I'm doing? < 1232218017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want it to flood off? < 1232218020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232218022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1232218025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232218043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); sys.stdout(31+len(encoded)); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5)); while True: foo() < 1232218044 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232218050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also about putting in chroot for dns < 1232218052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is easy < 1232218059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/resolv.conf < 1232218059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I said I didn't want to. < 1232218062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means I don't want to. < 1232218069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah ok < 1232218071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that < 1232218084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks in scrollback
< 1232218099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1232218118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); sys.stdout(31+len(encoded)); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = (lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5))); while True: foo() < 1232218118 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232218123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/j #bsmnt_bot_errors < 1232218131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); sys.stdout(31+len(encoded)); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = (lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5))); while True: foo() < 1232218135 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1232218148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1232218152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pinpoints the error to... the line < 1232218152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232218171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1232218183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, run it locally once to check? < 1232218185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import time; import socket; import urllib; encoded=urllib.urlencode(open('/bot/ircbot.py').read()); sys.stdout(31+len(encoded)); s=socket.socket();s.connect(('69.55.225.29',80)); s.sendall('GET /api/v1/\r\nHost: dpaste.com\r\nContent-Length: %i\r\n\r\n' % (31+len(encoded))); s.sendall('content=%s&language=Python&hold=1\r\n' % encoded); foo = (lambda: (sys.stdout(s.recv(1024)), time.sleep(5), foo()));foo() < 1232218185 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: not a valid non-string sequence or mapping object < 1232218287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: w t f < 1232218311 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232218343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm are there such unicode chars except the other way around? like, their base is attached to the top of the char, not the bottom < 1232218361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... Those are blocks. < 1232218372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have bases. < 1232218381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232218383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄ < 1232218386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the same < 1232218387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1232218390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from the top of the char block < 1232218392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1232218394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1232218398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flipped vertically < 1232218401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah ok < 1232218403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1232218409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION messes with inverted video
< 1232218430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing < 1232218440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will tell when it works < 1232218625 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import pydoc; sys.stdout(pydoc.getdoc(self.do_raw)) < 1232218637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: itt: .__doc__ < 1232218641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1232218654 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not give signature < 1232218666 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec help(self.do_raw) < 1232218676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://rafb.net/p/tSfBXg37.html < 1232218677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232218692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't show this on irc I'm afraid < 1232218694 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.do_raw.__doc__ < 1232218703 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec sys.stdout(self.do_raw.__doc__) < 1232218704 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1232218705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also rounding issues make it non-perfect < 1232218708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries with 8
< 1232218720 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-101-136.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232218721 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import pydoc; sys.stdout(pydoc) < 1232218722 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232218731 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec import pydoc; sys.stdout(pydoc.getdoc('foo')) < 1232218732 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :str(object) -> string < 1232218732 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return a nice string representation of the object. < 1232218732 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the argument is a string, the return value is the same object. < 1232218739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1232218739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/Users/ehird/bin/sparkline", line 21, in < 1232218740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1232218743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/Users/ehird/bin/sparkline", line 21, in < 1232218745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : numbers = map(float, input) < 1232218747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ValueError: invalid literal for float(): {9..0} < 1232218749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^CTraceback (most recent call last): < 1232218751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/Users/ehird/bin/sparkline", line 21, in < 1232218753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : numbers = map(float, input) < 1232218755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ValueError: invalid literal for float(): {9..0} < 1232218756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232218757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1232218760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err < 1232218762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not using bash? < 1232218768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin8.0) < 1232218768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. < 1232218769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#!/usr/bin/env bash" < 1232218772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too old < 1232218776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash 3 or later < 1232218786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me know when it works with something other than bash 3 < 1232218787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I could rewrite it with seq instead < 1232218793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just didn't know you didn't have a modern bash < 1232218799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work with zsh. < 1232218799 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.do_raw() < 1232218800 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: do_raw() takes exactly 3 arguments (1 given) < 1232218807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it just flashes the bottom layer... < 1232218811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232218814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION widens screen
< 1232218815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1232218835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have a more modern bash then? < 1232218839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: join #bsmnt_bot_errors < 1232218840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for tracebacks < 1232218843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: works with zsh. < 1232218862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I see < 1232218873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway the bars doesn't match up perfectly < 1232218878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1232218879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does for me < 1232218888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll dcc you a screenshot < 1232218914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, dcc is grayed out < 1232218937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅ < 1232218937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃ < 1232218948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1232218950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the lower one is inverted < 1232218955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that to me < 1232218960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the top doesn't perfectly match the bottom < 1232218968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1232218976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they aren't centered < 1232218979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative each other < 1232218981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctly < 1232218996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe this is due to rounding errors < 1232219016 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232219022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They match up perfectly for me < 1232219034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see above they didn't for me < 1232219043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok they do in zsh < 1232219045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the issue? < 1232219050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, zsh has floating point right? < 1232219051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232219054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1232219056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232219058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash only has integer math < 1232219064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rounding issue < 1232219070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sparkline(1) handles floats, FWIW < 1232219082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously, since squish(1) outputs floats) < 1232219088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but bash doesn't in the offset bit (see variable hl) < 1232219116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232219121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hl is 30 on both < 1232219162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄ < 1232219163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▃▃▂▁▁▁▂▃▃▄▅▅▆▇█▇▆▅▅▄▁ < 1232219180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't perfect match up < 1232219188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in bash you can get perfect with: < 1232219190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cycle_idx $(( off + hl + 1 )) | python ~/irc/sparkline < 1232219198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding the + 1 there < 1232219209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is off by 1 in zsh :D < 1232219222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is superior anyway. < 1232219237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what.... < 1232219248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-reproducible success < 1232219250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1232219306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wait I see.. the real issue is that screen is somehow always updated between the two sparkline calls < 1232219310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning they are out of sync < 1232219315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1232219330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'll be the inversion setting < 1232219330 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232219333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing a reprint < 1232219333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this probably depends on terminal < 1232219342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I don't know... < 1232219367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it sometimes jumps and is updated correctly instead < 1232219370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232219370 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232219372 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232219382 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1232219392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this could be due to screen refresh rate *adds sleep calls* < 1232219457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232219464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the lower line stalls for a bit < 1232219469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like half a second < 1232219472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the upper one updates < 1232219484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does that make any sense? < 1232219493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me. < 1232219497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your machine sucks ;-) < 1232219532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only happens with zsh for me < 1232219540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1232219543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is slow < 1232219550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash too < 1232219556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rewrites in ksh syntax
< 1232219589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and ksh accepts {} < 1232219594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't accept "local" however < 1232219599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksh is terrible :P < 1232219691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot code: http://dpaste.com/hold/110147/ < 1232219692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MizardX) < 1232219704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads a bit slow :\ < 1232219736 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232219763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it < 1232219764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill pastie it < 1232219790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232219791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works now, heh. < 1232219793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: < 1232219872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you did all that just to get the bot's code? < 1232219880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1232219884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just copied it manually from the chroot. < 1232219889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232220042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode needs slimmer blocks < 1232220046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparklines are meant to be tiny < 1232220246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cleaned up version that runs under ksh, bash3 and zsh http://rafb.net/p/LVefnN13.html < 1232220261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python -O? < 1232220263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1232220271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasteful & pointless... < 1232220276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't even gain you anything in this case. < 1232220278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I put it there to test, didn't make any difference < 1232220282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232220291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when does -O help? < 1232220297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it. < 1232220302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone does. < 1232220321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well looking at various python programs it seems quite common in the shebang line < 1232220330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it. < 1232220337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it is *supposed* to help? < 1232220360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I think it's basically unmaintained. < 1232220409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to make you realize you're not a python programmer at heart, just prints "OptionError: not a chance" < 1232220411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lots of files in python's own lib dir are *.pyo < 1232220419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as *.pyc < 1232220433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You use Gentoo. < 1232220440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same on freebsd < 1232220448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1232220472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about your /usr/local/lib/python2.5/ /usr/lib/python2.5/ or whatever < 1232220476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder if I could get a scheme implementation something like 2-3x slower than C. < 1232220478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any *.pyc? any *.pyo? < 1232220523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of both, interestingly/ < 1232220526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1232220531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232220538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here indeed < 1232220632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION calls his scheme something unappealing, like fatpig
< 1232220752 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232220971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point: when sin(pi) != 0 < 1232220978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> math:sin(math:pi()). < 1232220979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2246467991473532e-16 < 1232220980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1232220982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-* < 1232221005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax highlighting is irritating. I move we outlaw syntax highlighting. < 1232221021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I like basic syntax highlight < 1232221028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I vote we outlaw it for whitespace < 1232221032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for whitespace < 1232221045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax highlighting is kind of useless for scheme, since near everything is redefinable. < 1232221059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you can do is dim the parentheses, and maybe bold one or two things like "define", "let" and "lambda". < 1232221100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a < 1232221103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1232221128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, matching () in matching colors help < 1232221134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1232221140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parentheses matching is hideous < 1232221150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think that? < 1232221150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp coders read the indentational structure, not the parentheses. < 1232221161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus why most of them set parentheses to a light gray, to avoid eyestrain and concentrate on the actual code. < 1232221180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, a mode like paredit, which does semi-structural editing on s-expressions: yes please. < 1232221188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232221199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, paredit? < 1232221208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mumble.net/~campbell/emacs/paredit.el < 1232221224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explanation & documentation is in the starting comments. < 1232221230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Overview: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ParEdit < 1232221250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loads it in w3m mode
< 1232221472 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b < 1232221473 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC #esoteric :b | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1232221494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232221498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :fail < 1232221498 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC #esoteric :fail | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221512 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221513 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221517 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232221520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail too < 1232221521 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221525 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221529 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232221532 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1232221534 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fix < 1232221539 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~ne < 1232221540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.raw('QUIT') < 1232221541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not my code < 1232221542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1232221544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's MizardX < 1232221550 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232221552 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232221566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | WE LOVE OUR LOGS < 1232221579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef < 1232221597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? :( < 1232221608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many logs as possible < 1232221609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1232221618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one doesn't fit < 1232221619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric http://tunes.org/~ < 1232221628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Let's try this < 1232221628 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Let's try this | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win < 1232221633 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232221640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Let's try this | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | And this < 1232221642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: now make the command registers persist! < 1232221645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Let's try this | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esotseric/ | And this < 1232221649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232221651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail? < 1232221652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I like big butts and I cannot lie < 1232221653 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I like big butts and I cannot lie | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232221673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :But why does it fail | if there is more than one section < 1232221677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1232221683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just did? < 1232221685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232221695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why didn't it add the logs? < 1232221697 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232221699 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232221712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I like big butts and I cannot die < 1232221716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phail < 1232221719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.raw('QUIT') < 1232221719 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232221722 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232221727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : < 1232221835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :. < 1232221841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking fuck. i'm starting to think continuous brainfuck is not entirely possible to do. < 1232221845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232221849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it AnMaster < 1232221851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are debugging :| < 1232221854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, continuous brainfuck? < 1232221855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok < 1232221857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The name is "contfuck". < 1232221863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well yes < 1232221873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just keep using the wrong name for some reason < 1232221879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you still have to fit a u in there to perfect it. < 1232221881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1232221907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't on the wiki? < 1232221911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is contfuck < 1232221917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's language. < 1232221920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't get the semantics figured out really. < 1232221931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. actually the semantics are pretty simple < 1232221936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't find a way to implement it < 1232221945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, spec? < 1232221961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OKLOPOL LANGUAGES DO NOT HAVE A SPEC < 1232221961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my languages rarely have specs. < 1232221963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been here months < 1232221966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it in your head already < 1232221966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that structured. < 1232221968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ok < 1232221977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me what is special about the language < 1232221982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it differ from bf? < 1232221989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++{--->++<} < 1232221996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cell 2 would be 10/3 < 1232222019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...} starts a block where inc's and dec's are infinitely smaller than values on the outside < 1232222022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, continuations? < 1232222028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 oklopol, continuations? < 1232222030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1232222030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did < 1232222031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1232222032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The < 1232222034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example < 1232222034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are represented as an infinite list of bignums < 1232222036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He < 1232222038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lag < 1232222038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showed < 1232222040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have < 1232222042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To < 1232222043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++++{--->++<} < 1232222044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do < 1232222044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol, continuations? < 1232222046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With < 1232222046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and cell 2 would be 10/3 < 1232222048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuatoins < 1232222050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your network connection sux < 1232222056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it does < 1232222059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge lag spikes atm < 1232222060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232222067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all ISPs sucks < 1232222071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except xs4all < 1232222082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the ith bignum is kinda a "differential" of all bignums before index i, and {...} step one deeper in this infinite list of nested differentials < 1232222089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I only hear good things about xs4all. < 1232222108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232222113 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232222121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New plan: Move to the Netherlands, perform hostile takeover of XS4ALL, ???, world domination < 1232222134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and no has nothing to do with continuations, but continuity < 1232222157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232222165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually, the cells aren't bignums, they are rationals < 1232222176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe general reals, but i hope that isn't needed... < 1232222177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf with continuations would be cool though < 1232222184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: jumpfuck < 1232222189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but much less innovative < 1232222196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232222204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations are so retro < 1232222213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232222225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made bf+continuations in july 2007 < 1232222228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/JumpFuck < 1232222235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, it got implemented < 1232222242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you know you can make a turing machine with affine transformations < 1232222284 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232222305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the turku university is like #esoteric^2, the prof i talked to knows tons more about esolanging than i do, i mean, the mathematical aspects of it < 1232222354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's encoded turing machines in tiling infinite planes afaiu < 1232222361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Get him in here < 1232222362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants summa dat
< 1232222403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure he'd be at home here < 1232222415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much older than oerjan (i think) < 1232222423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't really assess that, just assume) < 1232222429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, we can just create #esoteric-sans-gay-sex < 1232222454 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is here, ehird < 1232222464 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not really esoteric without gay sex < 1232222594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222625 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232222629 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232222640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::o < 1232222707 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-239.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232223214 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232223509 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232223511 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232223517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Epic win time < 1232223518 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Epic win time | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) < 1232223558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1232223568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232223571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . . . . < 1232223580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP < 1232223588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :? < 1232223588 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFAIL < 1232223605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tunes.org < 1232223605 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tunes.org | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223605 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the link does not exist :( < 1232223616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs < 1232223617 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223620 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :goatse.cx | tunes.org | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esocreme < 1232223622 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1232223633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only eurocreme breaks it. < 1232223636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is amazing. < 1232223788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232223806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232223807 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esocreme < 1232223814 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223818 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232223820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1232223822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: it works now < 1232223869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a < 1232223933 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232223941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232223946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: :| < 1232223975 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b < 1232223981 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c < 1232223988 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c : < 1232224183 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b < 1232224183 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224190 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c < 1232224190 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224194 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c :// < 1232224195 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :b c :// | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224210 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme < 1232224211 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224234 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :spamplex < 1232224241 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232224249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232224272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;) < 1232224295 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always works a few times, then stops < 1232224295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am i to understand you have a bug in a bot written in python? < 1232224527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: < 1232224531 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224623 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it works sometimes. Now I need some food < 1232224625 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232224639 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224642 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232224644 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224648 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ... < 1232224653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works odd times < 1232224658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, w/e < 1232224755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isn't that pretty awesome? < 1232224781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232224784 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224793 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224796 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232224798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1232224799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :eurocreme < 1232224800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1232224859 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :If you were to die tomorrow in a table-related accident, I wouldn't give a rat's ass because I would be sitting on my table. < 1232224860 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :If you were to die tomorrow in a table-related accident, I wouldn't give a rat's ass because I would be sitting on my table. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232225290 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works only at times? < 1232225297 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it waits for the next message or something. < 1232226945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Hm What? < 1232226949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1232226952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232226978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Odd. < 1232226978 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Odd. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232226983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. Very odd. < 1232226990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232226996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | test < 1232226999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232227012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :test | test < 1232227013 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :test | test | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232227019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :test | test | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esotaeric < 1232227023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232227032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why does it only work sometimes? < 1232227037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :test | test | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esotaeric | any idea? < 1232227038 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :test | test | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esotaeric | any idea? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232227052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Topic goes here | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232227157 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Cock goes here | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232228311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r5rs is so cool < 1232228607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :folklore.org is down :< < 1232228893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232229352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, have you read r6rs? < 1232229357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232229362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks shit < 1232229366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once started reading it, and i wansn't really sure how i felt < 1232229817 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-10-71.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232230167 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1232230832 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232231464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, English language question < 1232231484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would "Please don't hotlink images" work as a text to replace externally hotlinked images with? < 1232231513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't fun when someone hotlinks a full size screenshot and display it as a thumbnail.) < 1232231523 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "from this site" < 1232231530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I recommend goatse. < 1232231535 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232231538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, "Hello! I am the owner of this site. I suck dicks!" < 1232231545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, what MizardX said < 1232231552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not appropriate for this type of site < 1232231557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, hm ok < 1232231562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatse is _always_ appropriate. < 1232231566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please don't hotlink images from this site" < 1232231567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232231568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family gathering? Goatse! < 1232231590 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the party trick that brightens ever family event < 1232231605 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Kirk Johnson knows of his fame < 1232231770 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232232104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this always happens to me in family scrabble games" < 1232232200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah < 1232232209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what letters do you have?" < 1232232218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"D, I, S, T, E, N, D, E, D, BLANK, A, N, U, S" < 1232232227 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232232299 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Kirk Johnson? < 1232232307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatse man < 1232232535 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man behind the anus < 1232232595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in front of. < 1232232644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And not all languages can do the same as all others.. as you seem to claim." < 1232232649 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1232232654 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no msg from christel < 1232232654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> "What is turing completeness?" < 1232232656 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1232232666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: she doesn't love you any more. < 1232232669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all got messages from her. < 1232232673 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232232705 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232233605 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232233628 0 :decipher!n=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232233687 0 :decipher_!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232233688 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232233806 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232233841 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who said not all language can do the same as all others? < 1232233848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reddit commenter < 1232233877 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's right, if "all" means "all". < 1232233885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it doesn't in context :P < 1232233960 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:41:44] "this always happens to me in family scrabble games" < 1232233963 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ xkcd? < 1232233996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232234064 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse < 1232236800 0 :BeholdMyBot!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232236819 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahaha < 1232236831 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:59:58] <@FireFly> ^bf +++++++++++++.-----[->++++++++>++++>++++++++++++<<<]>++++++++++.+++++.------.+++++.>.+++.>+++++.++++++++++++++.----.+++++.---------------.+++++++++++++.---------.------. < 1232236841 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := [CR]JOIN #esoteric < 1232236845 0 :BeholdMyBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232237012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I just released Coadjute, in case you're interested. < 1232237017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1232237022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with that, I'm off to sleep -> < 1232237034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iki.fi/matti.niemenmaa/coadjute < 1232237052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1232237052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232237336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.iki.fi/matti.niemenmaa/coadjute < 1232237372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut? < 1232237378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for clickability? < 1232237613 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello World! < 1232237613 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1232237621 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++.---[>++++++<-]>+++++<+++++[>+++<-]>.<+++++[>---<-]>.<+++++[>+++<-]>++.++.>+++++++[>+++++<-]>---.+++.<+++[<+++++>-]<++.++++++++++++++.----.+++++.---------------.+++++++++++++.---------.------. < 1232237621 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.PART #esoteric < 1232237634 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :P < 1232237638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes. < 1232237751 0 :moozilla!i=moozilla@c-67-160-125-205.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232238501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit kottke.org redesigned and it looks so ugly < 1232238640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, only the STUPID BLUE BORDER looks ugly < 1232239401 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1232239405 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started looking all fine < 1232239412 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until loading the images finished < 1232239442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees if he can block that image ;-)
< 1232240110 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232240271 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232243978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232243979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232244446 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I have a functioning Lispoid. It has only one primitive: lambda. < 1232244476 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to figure out how it works, so you guys tell me what expressions to evaluate. < 1232244521 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232244541 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, GregorR. I'm a LISP bot now. < 1232244584 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232244598 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I was too scary. < 1232244665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO HIGHLIGHTED BSMNT_BOT < 1232244673 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Lisp> evaluate . read $ "((lambda a (a a)) (3 4))" < 1232244673 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((3 4) (3 4)) < 1232244707 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I got it to go into an actual infinite loop. < 1232244715 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to those fake infinite loops you see on TV. < 1232244753 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not suprising < 1232244925 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Lisp> evaluate . read $ "((lambda s ((lambda k s) (lambda x (lambda y x)))) (la < 1232244929 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mbda x (lambda y (lambda z ((x z) (y z))))))" < 1232244931 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[lambda x (lambda y (lambda z ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232244936 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phear. < 1232244973 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing that inner thing with (s k) gives this: [lambda y (lambda z (((lambda x (lambda y x)) z) (y z)))] < 1232245085 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((s k) a) gives this: [lambda z (((lambda x (lambda a x)) z) (a z))] < 1232245096 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((s k) a) b), surprisingly, gives this: b < 1232245126 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that's actually correct. < 1232245213 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if this could actually handle big expressions correctly. < 1232245836 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes s, k and i built-ins
< 1232245967 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the only things we need are foldr and equality testing. < 1232246326 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both have now been implemented. < 1232246551 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we need to do now is make it an IRC bot! < 1232246838 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda is just one greek character. Why need 6 characters to encode it? < 1232246858 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be shorter to just use L. < 1232246902 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some non-alphanumeric one, such as \, which resembles lambda < 1232246929 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((\s ((\k s) (\x (\y x)))) (\x (\y (\z ((x z) (y z)))))) < 1232247287 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yi actually has a built-in feature (in haskell mode) that translates '\' directly to the unicode-character 'lambda' in the right context. < 1232247310 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tremendously useful for my sore eyes :-) < 1232247479 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((λs ((λk s) (λx λy x))) (λx λy λz x z (y z))) < 1232247724 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Lispy IRC bot is ready. < 1232247739 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small problem, though, in that any parse error in your expression will cause it to disconnect. < 1232247742 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1232247746 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232247756 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232247769 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, darn. < 1232247823 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232247824 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232247831 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, that made it quit. < 1232248208 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm stealing someone else's IRC code. < 1232248698 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232248705 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232248705 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l x (l y (l z ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232248709 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot! < 1232248719 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval This is a syntax error: ]]]]] < 1232248720 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232248727 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1232248899 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232248904 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232248904 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l x (l y (l z ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232248910 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval This is a syntax error: ]]]]] < 1232248911 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232248926 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1232248973 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((s i) i) ((s i) i)) < 1232248983 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval I'm waiting... < 1232248999 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's never going to finish. < 1232249002 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232249383 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232249389 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232249656 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232249660 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval 3 < 1232249660 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232249670 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval This is probably a syntax error. < 1232249671 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249682 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval "test" < 1232249683 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"test" < 1232249688 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval "test" + "test" < 1232249689 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249689 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp This is probably a syntax error. < 1232249690 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249699 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp muahaha < 1232249702 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval "test" < 1232249702 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahaha < 1232249705 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232249705 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahaha < 1232249710 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp input < 1232249714 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval "test" < 1232249715 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"test" < 1232249741 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (+ "a" "b") < 1232249742 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ "a" "b") < 1232249746 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built-in functions: s, k, i, l, f, e < 1232249763 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one thing it can do is evaluate SKI calculus. < 1232249792 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ["a" "b"] < 1232249793 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249810 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to concatenate strings? < 1232249815 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1232249827 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to figure out a way to concatenate lists, though. < 1232249844 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (+ [1 2] [3 4]) < 1232249844 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is the foldr function. < 1232249865 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232249866 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval [1, 2] < 1232249867 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232249869 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232249896 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l x (l y (list x y))) 1) 2) < 1232249896 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list 1 2) < 1232249928 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious improvement: make l take a list of arguments, not just one. < 1232249985 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l list (list x)) y) < 1232249986 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y x) < 1232249998 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is list different from any other value? < 1232250003 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1232250016 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers, strings and tuples < 1232250038 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lisp has three types: atom, list, and lambda function. < 1232250060 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval "xy < 1232250060 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xy < 1232250062 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232250064 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" is an atom. "(blah blah blah)" is a list. "[l x y]" is a lambda function. < 1232250097 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have any parentheses or brackets, you won't have any lists or lambda functions. < 1232250128 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. Since you didn't mention strings, I had to test the function of " < 1232250135 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232250160 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is not a special character in any way; only parentheses, brackets and whitespace are different from letters. < 1232250176 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232250176 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232250187 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232250209 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232250213 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's better. < 1232250232 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (the answer is input) < 1232250235 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (s k) < 1232250236 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is (s k)) < 1232250245 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not the answer at all. < 1232250247 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232250250 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (s k) < 1232250250 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l y (l z ((k z) (y z)))] < 1232250282 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (x y) < 1232250286 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (x y) < 1232250286 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x y) < 1232250296 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now everything will evaluate to (x y). < 1232250302 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (x y input) < 1232250303 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x y) < 1232250306 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (x y input) < 1232250308 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (x y) < 1232250308 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x y) < 1232250324 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot stores a template, which is by default "input". < 1232250349 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The #temp and #eval commands substitute their input for the word "input" in the template, then do something with the results. < 1232250364 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232250366 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp sets the the template to it; #eval evaluates it and outputs the result. < 1232250366 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232250374 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the template is "input" again. < 1232250431 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232250431 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l x (l y (l z ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232250433 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval k < 1232250434 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l x (l y x)] < 1232250435 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval i < 1232250435 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l x x] < 1232250448 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 3 3) < 1232250448 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e 3 3) < 1232250452 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1232250458 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 3 3 yes no) < 1232250458 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232250460 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 3 4 yes no) < 1232250461 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232250479 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f one two (1 2 3)) < 1232250480 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one 1 (f one two (2 3))) < 1232250488 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f one two ()) < 1232250488 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1232250529 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l foo (How useful!)) input) < 1232250540 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (one fish two fish red fish foo fish) < 1232250540 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How useful!) < 1232250548 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, wrong way around. < 1232250549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232250561 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l foo input) (How useful!)) < 1232250563 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (one fish two fish red fish foo fish) < 1232250564 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one fish two fish red fish (How useful!) fish) < 1232250583 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l red input) (Not.)) < 1232250585 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (one fish two fish red fish foo fish) < 1232250585 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one fish two fish (Not.) fish (How useful!) fish) < 1232250603 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l fish input) (Look, they stack! foo foo foo)) < 1232250607 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (one fish two fish red fish foo fish) < 1232250607 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one (Look, they stack! (How useful!) (How useful!) (How useful!)) two (Look, they stack! (How useful!) (How useful!) (How useful!)) (Not.) (Look, they stack! (How useful!) (How useful!) (How useful!)) (How useful!) (Look, they stack! (How useful!) (How useful!) (How useful!))) < 1232250619 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232250622 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's how you set things. < 1232250990 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232250990 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232250996 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232251008 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it should behave intelligently if you apply a function to too many arguments. < 1232251020 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (s x y z) < 1232251020 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l x (l y (l z ((x z) (y z))))] x y z) < 1232251032 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1232251073 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I do something silly, like forget to reload? < 1232251077 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232251078 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232251090 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232251094 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (s x y z) < 1232251095 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x z) (y z)) < 1232251099 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better. < 1232251112 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (one fish two fish red fish blue fish) < 1232251112 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((((((one fish) two) fish) red) fish) blue) fish) < 1232251122 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look how intelligent that is! < 1232251211 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232251327 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to figure out how to concatenate two lists using this thing. < 1232251421 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, here are the guts of this bot: http://pastebin.ca/1311359 < 1232251440 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I figure out how to access the wiki, I might write a little spec for this language and put it there. < 1232251517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you kids doing < 1232251521 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo whats this kerlobot thing < 1232251537 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an esolang bot, I guess. < 1232251576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang < 1232251586 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something resembling Lisp. < 1232251593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1232251597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and written ins haskell! < 1232251601 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1232251627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 53 lines for the whole bot? < 1232251651 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole bot is 152 lines. The guts of the interpreter are just 53, though, I guess. < 1232251672 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. < 1232251678 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering why i didnt see io stuff there :p < 1232251751 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232251751 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232251759 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232251766 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (cons 1 (2 3)) < 1232251767 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((cons 1) (2 3)) < 1232251774 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (c 1 (2 3)) < 1232251774 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3) < 1232251778 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1232251796 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's wrong, though. :-P < 1232251827 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232251827 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232251835 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232251840 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a 1 (2 3)) < 1232251840 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2) 3) < 1232251849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! < 1232251854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh very smart < 1232251855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232251857 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF! doesn't actually do anything. < 1232251861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232251863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1232251871 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i thought it was your special restart command < 1232251871 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it doesn't do anything that, say, "There we go." wouldn't. < 1232251872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232251900 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assure you that this is all part of my evil plan. < 1232251908 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (list (1 2 3)) < 1232251908 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list (1 2 3)) < 1232251909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232251940 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ski < 1232251942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ski < 1232251957 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some ski, bsmntbombdood! < 1232252095 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval f < 1232252096 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232252131 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l x (l y (x y)) a b < 1232252136 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232252138 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232252143 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1232252210 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me fix the parser, then... < 1232252221 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232252244 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232252248 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l x (l y (x y)) a b < 1232252249 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l x (l y (x y)) a b < 1232252249 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252249 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252253 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jinx. < 1232252260 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (l y (x y)) a b) < 1232252260 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252274 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Match your parentheses, my friend. < 1232252277 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas can only take one argument? < 1232252279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: that was quick < 1232252288 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas can only take one argument, inded. < 1232252293 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quick, indeed. < 1232252294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it take longer than 3 seconds to make that change? < 1232252302 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just added the line readsPrecLisp' n [] = [] < 1232252319 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l (x y) (z (x y))) (1 2) < 1232252319 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252325 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y) (z (x y))) (1 2)) < 1232252325 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((l (x y)) (z (x y))) (1 2)) < 1232252327 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid haskell < 1232252339 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning "if you're waiting for a close bracket and there's nothing there, there are no parses." < 1232252361 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (l y (x y))) a b) < 1232252361 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b) < 1232252384 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (this is the input) < 1232252384 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((this is) the) input) < 1232252394 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring. < 1232252401 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (input input input) < 1232252401 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (input input input) < 1232252402 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp (input input input) < 1232252404 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval 3 < 1232252405 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((((3 3) 3) (3 3 3)) (3 3 3)) ((3 3 3) (3 3 3) (3 3 3))) ((3 3 3) (3 3 3) (3 3 3))) < 1232252410 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232252446 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l x (e x 3)) 4 < 1232252447 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252470 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lists must be enclosed in parentheses. < 1232252477 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (e x 3)) 4) < 1232252477 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((e 4) 3) < 1232252510 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't e = equals? < 1232252519 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it takes four arguments. < 1232252532 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l x (e 0 1 x 3)) 4 < 1232252532 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232252536 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (e 0 1 x 3)) 4) < 1232252536 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns the third if the first and second are equal, the fourth otherwise. < 1232252537 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232252548 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (e x 3 0 1)) 4) < 1232252548 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232252561 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (e x 3 1 0)) 3) < 1232252561 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232252583 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for someone to figure out a function for concatenating two lists. :-) < 1232252588 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not be possible; I dunno. < 1232252633 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing I could think of. foldr works for breaking up a list, but not putting it back together < 1232252663 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need car and cdr :P < 1232252669 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cons < 1232252684 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a (does this look like) (cons to you?)) < 1232252685 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((does this look like) cons) to) you?) < 1232252701 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is... < 1232252737 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...CREAMPUFF! < 1232252737 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232252761 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232252766 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is v! < 1232252780 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (v test (a (does this look like) (cons to you?))) < 1232252780 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(test ((((does this look like) cons) to) you?)) < 1232252789 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's wrong. < 1232252796 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's v? < 1232252798 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (v (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232252798 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((1 2) 3) ((4 5) 6)) < 1232252802 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply (Atom "v") (x:xs) = evaluate (List (x : map evaluate xs)) < 1232252827 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of that? < 1232252833 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question! < 1232252860 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended to circumvent this: apply f (x1:x2:xs) = apply (apply f [x1]) (x2:xs) < 1232252875 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a x (1 2 3)) < 1232252875 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232252875 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((x 1) 2) 3) < 1232252880 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that line sucks, so I've removed both. Creampuff. < 1232252881 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232252893 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232252898 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (1 2 3) < 1232252898 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3) < 1232252903 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, haskell < 1232252906 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a x (1 2 3)) < 1232252906 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x 1 2 3) < 1232252910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryin to be all elegant 'n shit < 1232252915 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's starting to look like cons, eh? < 1232252940 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232252941 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3) 4 5 6) < 1232253014 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f a () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253015 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3) f a () ((4 5 6))) < 1232253044 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure something looked like a good idea at the time. < 1232253065 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f a x ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253065 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3) f a x ((4 5 6))) < 1232253067 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me make it better. < 1232253092 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f one two (1 2 3)) < 1232253092 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one 1 (f one two (2 3))) < 1232253119 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cream. < 1232253120 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232253126 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232253130 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f one two (1 2 3)) < 1232253131 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one 1 (one 2 (one 3 two))) < 1232253137 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f a x ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253138 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3) a (4 5 6) x) < 1232253141 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232253147 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. < 1232253155 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f a () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253156 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232253161 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less strange. < 1232253177 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f one two ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253177 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one (1 2 3) (one (4 5 6) two)) < 1232253202 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (a x) () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253202 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a x) (1 2 3) ((a x) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253225 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (a x ()) () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253225 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a x ()) (1 2 3) ((a x ()) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253258 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should re-evaluate it until it can't any more < 1232253272 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((a x ()) (1 2 3) ((a x ()) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253272 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x) (1 2 3) ((a x ()) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253278 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's broken. < 1232253316 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puff. < 1232253316 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232253322 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232253329 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (a x) () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253330 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a x) (1 2 3) ((a x) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253339 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (a x ()) () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253339 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x) (1 2 3) ((x) (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253357 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to recognize (a x) as a partial application of a < 1232253367 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1232253517 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l z (a x z)) () ((1 2 3) (4 5 6))) < 1232253518 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l z (a x z)] (1 2 3) ([l z (a x z)] (4 5 6) ())) < 1232253541 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how a head or tail function might be made
< 1232253587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variable-argument lambda would be very nice. < 1232253602 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l a (l b a)) (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232253603 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l a (l b a)] 4 ([l a (l b a)] 5 ([l a (l b a)] 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253610 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit difficult, though. < 1232253628 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l x (l y (a x y))) (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232253629 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l x (l y (a x y))] 4 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 5 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253655 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (1 2 3] < 1232253655 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3) < 1232253669 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closing brackets don't seem to matter. < 1232253670 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't that work? --^ < 1232253686 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ([l x (l y (a x y))] 4 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 5 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253686 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l x (l y (a x y))] 4 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 5 ([l x (l y (a x y))] 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253699 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a bit, let me write the new lambdas. < 1232253701 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (l y (a x y))) 4 ((l x (l y (a x y))) 5 ((l x (l y (a x y))) 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253701 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l x (l y (a x y))] 4 ((l x (l y (a x y))) 5 ((l x (l y (a x y))) 6 (1 2 3)))) < 1232253866 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x 1) 3) < 1232253866 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232253882 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (l y x)) 3 4) < 1232253883 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l x (l y x)] 3 4) < 1232253890 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l x (l y x)) 3) 4) < 1232253890 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232253909 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232254261 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232254273 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l x (l y x)) 3) 4) < 1232254273 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((l x (l y x)) 3) 4) < 1232254282 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l x (l y x)) 3 4) < 1232254283 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((l x (l y x)) 3 4) < 1232254285 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232254292 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y z) (they are x y z z y)) 1 2 3) < 1232254293 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are 1 2 3 3 2) < 1232254360 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x) (l (y) x)) 3 4) < 1232254361 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (l (y) x)] 3 4) < 1232254370 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l (x) (l (y) x)) 3) 4) < 1232254370 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232254374 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232254382 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232254407 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l (x) (l (x) x)) 3) 4) < 1232254408 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1232254492 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (left right) (f a right left)) (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232254493 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3 4 5 6) < 1232254496 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1232254553 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 1 2 3 4) < 1232254553 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1232254562 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 1 2 3 4 5) < 1232254562 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e 1 2 3 4 5) < 1232254654 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) x) (1 2 3)) < 1232254655 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f (l (x y) x) (1 2 3)) < 1232254662 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) x) r (1 2 3)) < 1232254662 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232254671 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) x) x (1 2 3)) < 1232254672 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232254684 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) x) x (this is a list)) < 1232254685 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1232254695 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you've implemented head. < 1232254742 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((lambda (l) input) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l)) < 1232254746 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head (1 2 3)) < 1232254746 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (l) (head (1 2 3))) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l)) < 1232254750 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1232254761 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232254847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((lambda (head) input) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l)) < 1232254851 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head (1 2 3)) < 1232254851 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (head) (head (1 2 3))) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l)) < 1232254862 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232254870 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't that evaluating... < 1232254885 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda? < 1232254890 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh. < 1232254894 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232254903 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l (head) input) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l)) < 1232254907 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head (1 2 3)) < 1232254907 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) l) (1 2 3)) < 1232254930 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little better < 1232254935 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1232254962 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232254994 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l (head) input) (lambda (list) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) list))) < 1232255001 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head (1 2 3)) < 1232255001 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (list) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) list)) (1 2 3)) < 1232255028 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232255035 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l (head) input) (l (list) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) list))) < 1232255037 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head (1 2 3)) < 1232255038 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232255040 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1232255048 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head ()) < 1232255049 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(error: empty ()) < 1232255061 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's silly. < 1232255067 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232255080 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l (head) input) (l (ls) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) ls))) < 1232255084 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (head ()) < 1232255085 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(error: empty list) < 1232255097 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval input < 1232255097 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input < 1232255130 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (error: empty head) < 1232255130 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(error: empty (l (ls) (f (l (x y) x) (error: empty list) ls))) < 1232255202 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232255202 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232255208 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232255230 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. < 1232255236 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232255239 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232255240 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232255252 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the definition of s is now broken. < 1232255277 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232255280 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval < 1232255285 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval s < 1232255286 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232255293 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the new definition of s. < 1232255317 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (s x y z) < 1232255317 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] x y z) < 1232255335 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((s x) y) z) < 1232255335 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x z) (y z)) < 1232255371 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#temp ((l (s) input) lol) < 1232255376 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((s x) y) z) < 1232255376 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((lol x) y) z) < 1232255381 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#reset < 1232255387 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval k < 1232255388 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) x)] < 1232255426 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((l (x y) x) 1) 2) < 1232255426 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(([l (x y) x] 1) 2) < 1232255433 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y) x) 1 2) < 1232255433 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232255445 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no partial application < 1232255460 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1232255460 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of multi-var lambdas < 1232255487 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval i < 1232255488 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) x] < 1232255488 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Haskell, I guess. You have to explicitly uncurry them. < 1232255505 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explicitly curry them, rather. < 1232255522 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that Haskell pretty much uses curry by default. < 1232255598 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a i (1 2 3)) < 1232255599 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) x] 1 2 3) < 1232255671 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: a evaluates its first argument. < 1232255751 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep... < 1232255837 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday: «07:43:59» {MizardX} shower and breakfast < 1232255850 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now: «06:17:16» < 1232258837 0 :metazilla!i=moozilla@c-67-160-125-205.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232260208 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232260868 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@c-67-160-125-205.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232261656 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232264596 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :K-lined < 1232265361 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232265599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232265600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232269018 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232269066 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232270943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, not a single spam message since yesterday? How strange, usually there are around 10-20 new spams after a night. < 1232272290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232274061 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232274932 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-184.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232275287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232275978 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232276014 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232277398 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232277716 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232278328 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232280851 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-101-136.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232280945 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232282970 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1232283896 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-85-212.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232284581 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232286262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232286264 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232286412 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232286477 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-184.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232286563 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232287909 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232287952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising scheme is hard, you can't even constant-fold (+ 1 1) because you can redefine + at any point < 1232287964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including e.g. EVAL on user input < 1232288106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can constant-fold it, and have a global trigger system, attaching a lambda to unfold the constant when + is changed < 1232288128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially just a hack to get over the theoretical possibility of being fucked in the ass by a smart-ass user. < 1232288133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's not much of an optimization :-P < 1232288150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not? you get the same speed as with just constant folding < 1232288157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1232288160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to do a few more lookups when defining functions < 1232288162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define old+ +) < 1232288167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set! + (lambda (a b) 0)) < 1232288171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[stuff] < 1232288171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set! + old+) < 1232288186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it does exactly the same as constant-folded, but slowly < 1232288189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not very consistent < 1232288242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1232288315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean < 1232288328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232288336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.4 <-- god, scroll down to dynamic-wind < 1232288339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit is crazy < 1232288474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a subchapter on it, i would have to read the surrounding of the term < 1232288487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that, so err what's its point? < 1232288513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too lazy to read more than absolutely necessary :<
< 1232288523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i read about 10 hours yesterday < 1232288551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it lets you detect call/cc, pretty much < 1232288560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., if we call/cc out of the thunk thing, we call the after thing first < 1232288566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1232288649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remember. weird ordering shit and thunk stuff. < 1232288666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is kinda mush atm :< < 1232288684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: basically i'm thinking about writing a super-mega-fast scheme implementation < 1232288701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like dynamic-wind piss me off because they throw my whole model around :< < 1232288757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, the gist of compiling uncompilable things is to make the frequent case fast, that is, assume things happen the normal way and do somekinda hack around the fact they might not. this is a trivial idea of course, just that you might not want to do that because it's not fun to implement. < 1232288772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not schemey though is it < 1232288785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well it's more schemey than say befungey. < 1232288789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schemey would be finding a fast way to implement everything without any special cases < 1232288801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in scheme you rarely, for instance, swap the meaning of + all the time for no reason. < 1232288802 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1232288810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well i'm not talking about dynamic-wind < 1232288813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1232288813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make that fast < 1232288824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the weirder stuff. < 1232288824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, i mean, i don't like the idea of having your program being slower or whatever just because you used one particular featur < 1232288825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232288842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like someone saying, you know, "don't do this", but it's part of scheme, and you should be able to do it and stay as fast < 1232288871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course not, i just don't think redefining on the fly is really a feature; dynamic-wind i have a hard time commenting, because i'd have to think about it first :P < 1232288875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have to understand that i'm going for crazy-ass speed < 1232288892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, first interpreter, I'm gonna aim for like 5-6x slower than c, or so < 1232288896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's really fast for an interpreter < 1232288907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think I'll make it a compiler/jit and write it totally in scheme and stuff < 1232288914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to eventually get it ~2x slower than c < 1232288922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be awesome because I'll never have to write c again. < 1232288929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'll assume you're compiling a recursive fibonacci definition into a closed-form expression. < 1232288944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something equally awesome for everything else too. < 1232288974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're just going for c speed < 1232288975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a goal for the compiler is to get the generated asm be as compact as hand-written :DD < 1232288986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, c is pretty fast :D < 1232288987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking like faster than assembly. < 1232288993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than theoretically possible < 1232288998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232289001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to underestimate you see. < 1232289012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could be faster than c < 1232289022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, I mean, it's compiling to machine code, pretty much < 1232289033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could probably write a program faster than the equivalent in c < 1232289049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you read computer architecture - a quantitative approach? < 1232289065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just assume you have < 1232289074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the first chapter's idea < 1232289075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232289086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 pages of fucking random charts about speeds of random processors and shit < 1232289108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i haven't, but < 1232289108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before getting to scheduling algorithms and other *content* < 1232289109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awesome < 1232289133 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have you guys know < 1232289140 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I just copied a bit of your conversation < 1232289143 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In to another conversation < 1232289145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i understand they want to include statistics and history and shit so people feel like they're reading about something that has practical significance. < 1232289152 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To show an example usage of the word lol < 1232289157 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations < 1232289160 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're THE INTERNET. < 1232289179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about us weirdos who can't skip the reading of the useless parts :| < 1232289198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: ooh, which part < 1232289268 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit with the lol in... < 1232289273 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i was thinking like faster than assembly. < 1232289273 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : faster than theoretically possible < 1232289273 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol < 1232289273 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't want to underestimate you see. < 1232289286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232289313 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232289321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232289331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1232289336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had something to say to you at some point. just fyi, i already forgot what :P < 1232289339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm so busy in RL < 1232289345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why I'm here on Sunday < 1232289345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. kinda. < 1232289352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232289366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: me in #esoteric = me online < 1232289378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I could optimize scheme by requiring a Proof of Fastness, which is the same program written in assembly < 1232289381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just uses that assembly < 1232289390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's more chance of me being here when busy, than there is of me being here when not busy < 1232289401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it would have to prove the two programs were equivalent, or there's be no point < 1232289415 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232289418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232289425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to mislead people, that's OK < 1232289434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't try and force its philosophy on you. < 1232289439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined behaviour if the two programs are different? < 1232289448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, it is in fact implementing the Scheme < 1232289486 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232289496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1232289501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232289531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, exactly! < 1232289559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying, my mouse wheel seems confused < 1232289559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hey < 1232289565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you read computer architecture - a quantitative approach? < 1232289567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I turn it downwards, it sometimes scrolls upwards, and vice versa < 1232289568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1232289569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that means you end up having to write asm instead of C < 1232289574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is like, even worse < 1232289577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh. you could have, maybe. < 1232289585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: meh, just write C that's the same as the Scheme, and compile it into asm < 1232289592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : when I turn it downwards, it sometimes scrolls upwards, and vice versa <-- that happened to be once < 1232289595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, fwiw, write INTERCAL that's the same as the Scheme, and compile /that/ into asm < 1232289604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC client extension idea: detects when you make a joke and ignores AnMaster for 5 minutes so you don't have to hear it flying over his head. < 1232289609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what worked was taking the several old mouse apart, and cleaning it < 1232289616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be great? < 1232289620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one seems to be impossible to take apart < 1232289632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it probably needs cleaning, but there's no obvious method for it < 1232289640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, look under any stickers or such < 1232289666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one screw on the bottom of the mouse < 1232289684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a big feel of "THIS IS AN OPTICAL MOUSE SO YOU DON'T NEED TO CLEAN IT SO WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO LET YOU CLEAN IT, OK?" < 1232289710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if it has some kind of "pads" in the corners the screws are probably hidden under them < 1232289716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that they can be hard to reattach < 1232289751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a mouse that's like an optical mouse, except it doesn't suck and works on just about every surface. Also, no light on the bottom.
< 1232289760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the corner pads fell off on my mouse before this one, and there wasn't anything underneath them < 1232289760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, MS dumbm^Wintellimouse? < 1232289760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The comedy option you're about to pick isn't correct.) < 1232289766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, this one's by Toshiba < 1232289770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232289785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an intellitrackball at home, I think < 1232289791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on ms mice they tend to be hidden under those corner pads < 1232289796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got it for the desktop computer when mice kept falling off the table < 1232289802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is cleanable, and I have to clean it lots < 1232289817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1232289825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I want a simple to clean mouse < 1232289829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably washable < 1232289847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for keyboard < 1232289865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to get decent mice nowadays < 1232289876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the retailer I bought this one from has since gone bankrupt < 1232289878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, and hard to get large enough ones < 1232289894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so much of a problem for me, I'm OK with small mice < 1232289903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms mice actually tend to be the only ones that work for me when it comes to size < 1232289908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then only barely < 1232289931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are too big for me. < 1232289945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use certain features of programs because hte keyboard shortcuts are too hard for me to hit. < 1232289947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1232289947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have tiny hands. < 1232289954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so you mean it's *not* a bit clown nose? < 1232289967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's hard to hold a mouse correctly when it's bigger than your hand < 1232289972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: get a smaller keyboard? < 1232289974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha < 1232289977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this one _is_ small < 1232289999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. that joke was so oerjan. < 1232290010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can always get a smaller one < 1232290013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously think i'm slowly oerjanizing. < 1232290018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some way to use an Eee PC as a keyboard, for instance < 1232290024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unlikely, in this case < 1232290033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no way am I paying that much for a keyboard < 1232290034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1232290039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eee pc keyboard isn't much smaller than this i think < 1232290099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find any measurements of this kb on the internetwebs unfortunately < 1232290176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can measure it with a ruler easily enough < 1232290182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's physically there in front of you < 1232290186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't, how are you typing? < 1232290188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but that's _cheating_ < 1232290270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION compiles an in-head list of things R5RS Scheme is missing to be able to write programs in
< 1232290278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's surprisingly short, 5-6 or so elements) < 1232290307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you add them to it easily? < 1232290351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite easily. Some are easier than others. < 1232290362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of them break backwards compatibility, either. < 1232290385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., they don't change the semantics of any R5RS-correct programs, just define some R5RS-incorrect programs to be extended-R5RS-correct) < 1232290423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm going to write a Scheme implementation you see < 1232290430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1232290435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to start with, C < 1232290441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme's good for writing Scheme impls, but you have a chicken-and-egg problem there < 1232290443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, for the next version, Scheme < 1232290447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what I < 1232290452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m going to do is: < 1232290455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first version - interpreter < 1232290463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second version - compiler & JIT < 1232290471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my main goals for both is to be stinking fast < 1232290479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first version I'm aiming for something like 5x slower than c < 1232290487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second version? hopefully, competitive with C < 1232290496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5x slower, in an /interpreter/? < 1232290498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1232290503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, that was an exaggeration :-) < 1232290512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant like 10x, I was just being hopeful < 1232290522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure 10x would be possible. < 1232290553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but indeed, chicken and the egg for version 2 < 1232290562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one solution is to keep maintaining version 1 alongside it < 1232290565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can run version 2 < 1232290573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that kind of defeats the point of rewriting it in scheme < 1232290603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like ghc's solution of "compile with the previous version, then just hold on tight to that binary" < 1232290606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fragile < 1232290607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232290615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1232290617 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232290619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb. < 1232290623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm when version 2 can bootstrap itself... < 1232290624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you miss? < 1232290630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how? < 1232290636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to run it initially. < 1232290642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how should I know what I missed? < 1232290646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : one solution is to keep maintaining version 1 alongside it < 1232290650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you said compiler/jit? < 1232290650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the last thing I didn't miss < 1232290654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 so you can run version 2 < 1232290654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 but that kind of defeats the point of rewriting it in scheme < 1232290655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 i don't like ghc's solution of "compile with the previous version, then just hold on tight to that binary" < 1232290658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 it's fragile < 1232290660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, written in Scheme. < 1232290660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1232290670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will likely use its own extensions. < 1232290673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need it to compile it. < 1232290675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it isn't fragile if you hang on to past binaries < 1232290681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1232290684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't rely on a binary like that < 1232290687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too closed up < 1232290693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: CLC-INTERCAL works like that < 1232290694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so well what about "statically compile if the code uses this subset" or something < 1232290701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's CLC-INTERCAL. < 1232290702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of jit < 1232290704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, it isn't closed up, you have the source and can regenerate it from the binary < 1232290711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, I can only answer coherent questions < 1232290726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fair point < 1232290741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you rephrase that coherently I'll answer :p < 1232290746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, basically: will it jit or be able to compile stand alone binaries? < 1232290750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1232290757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232290772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about compiling to C as a different backend? < 1232290782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken and the egg < 1232290782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would solve the issue < 1232290785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you run it to compile it to C? < 1232290804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you boot strap it, in the future you can use the C source to compile it < 1232290807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is the ghc solution for porting < 1232290822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the resulting C program is more or less illegible, despite being portable < 1232290835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I dislike that solution < 1232290838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting, but wouldn't you need more for porting ghc, like adding asm output backend < 1232290844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't have a way to get it going just from itself < 1232290849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to hang on to the one compilation < 1232290853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc compiles via C--, IIRC < 1232290864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you'd need a new C-- to asm backend < 1232290868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't the original lisp hand compiled? < 1232290868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232290877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. The original lisp was also trivially useless. < 1232290904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so maintain an interpreter that is portable < 1232290906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gcc does < 1232290909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple stages < 1232290916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1232290917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 one solution is to keep maintaining version 1 alongside it < 1232290918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 so you can run version 2 < 1232290920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 but that kind of defeats the point of rewriting it in scheme < 1232290926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when I can just copy and paste past messages to answer people. < 1232290936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, compiling gcc on a really old compiler needs a multi-stage bootstrap nowadays < 1232290938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not exactly. Since version 1 could be written in portable scheme? < 1232290940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via older versions of gcc < 1232290955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now ehird will tell you there's no such thing as portable scheme < 1232290956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm pretty sure you can use a non-gcc for stage1? < 1232290963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it couldn't, because that's like raping myself. < 1232290963 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232290964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can, but only if it's relatively modern < 1232290984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well C89 is ok to expect of course < 1232290987 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232290988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, there are no compilers for DOS that can bootstrap DJGPP < 1232290998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could cross compile it < 1232291001 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#what < 1232291002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to get a workign DJGPP impl starting from something else is to cross-compile < 1232291002 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input < 1232291072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't a standard following C89 compiler be enough for gcc stage1? < 1232291084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1232291085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes you need make, sh and so on < 1232291090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, I'm pretty sure it also needs a 32-bit int < 1232291102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a requirement of a C89 compiler < 1232291108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232291319 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y) (f a y x)) (1 2 3) (4 5 6)) < 1232291319 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3 4 5 6) < 1232291327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1232291334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what does your bot do? < 1232291343 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates this Lisp-like language. < 1232291363 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important command is #eval, obviously. < 1232291368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp with different primitives < 1232291370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232291374 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1232291378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, specs for this lisp-like language? < 1232291391 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232291406 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me pastebin the source code and also demonstrate a bit. < 1232291434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is specs == source code < 1232291437 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1311618 < 1232291441 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since forever! < 1232291464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone < 1232291495 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primitives are l (lambda), f (foldr), e (equality testing), and a (cons or apply); the familiar s, k and i are also implemented, but are not primitives. < 1232291503 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((s i) i) < 1232291503 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((i z) (i z))] < 1232291534 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y) (blah y x)) (2 3)) < 1232291535 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x y) (blah y x)] (2 3)) < 1232291549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1232291566 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x y) (blah y x)) 2 3) < 1232291566 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blah 3 2) < 1232291579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval *Y&DSY*&%&5ˆ‹̄›†¢ˆ¢§ˆ¯ßˆ•þ‡̂†̄ ̑›†‡·°_‚·̀ < 1232291580 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232291584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREAK DAMN YOU < 1232291587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f raa ree (1 2 3)) < 1232291588 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(raa 1 (raa 2 (raa 3 ree))) < 1232291594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : since when is specs == source code < 1232291603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since nobody cares about your need of specs to survive. < 1232291615 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 1 2 yes no) < 1232291616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since we people started using expressive languages. < 1232291616 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232291619 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (e 1 1 yes no) < 1232291619 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232291633 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (a 1 (2 3 4)) < 1232291633 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 2 3 4) < 1232291640 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it. < 1232291659 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are also the #temp, #reset, and #what commands. < 1232291807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear DYNAMIC-WIND, < 1232291811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please remove yourself from R5RS. < 1232291812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love, < 1232291813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott. < 1232291847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (((s i) i) ((s i) i)) < 1232291857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't guard that. < 1232291859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1232291860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now kerlo will have to restart it < 1232291868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval INFINITE LOOPED < 1232291877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to put an anti-infiniloop protection on... < 1232291877 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232291901 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not at all. I'll send you the full source code so that you can do that. :-P < 1232291905 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232291923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: just; < 1232291930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have an extra argument to the reduce-stepper < 1232291937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it at 1000 initially, and decrement it every time you recurse < 1232291942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it gets to 0, return a special atom like < 1232291945 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that does sound easy. < 1232291950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!looped! < 1232291976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about output length? < 1232291984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're symbols. < 1232291990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't concatenate them. < 1232291998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can evaluate to a list, yes. < 1232291998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, could you cause excess flood < 1232292005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it outputs on one line, no,. < 1232292009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232292030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still cause filled buffer I believe before it is split in lines < 1232292033 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (lambda (x y) (f a (y) x)) () (one two three)) < 1232292033 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (x y) (f a (y) x)) one ((lambda (x y) (f a (y) x)) two ((lambda (x y) (f a (y) x)) three ()))) < 1232292036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that < 1232292039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't split into lines < 1232292042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody cares < 1232292043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (x) (f a x x)) (y)) < 1232292043 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y y) < 1232292064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but if you send 1 MB in one line the server is going to quit you anyway I think < 1232292070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least some ircds do that < 1232292072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody caresnobody cares < 1232292099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (y z) (y (y (y (y (y z))))) (l (x) (f a x x)) (y)) < 1232292099 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232292102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))) < 1232292102 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))] < 1232292108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ y < 1232292113 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) (f a (y) x)) () (one two three)) < 1232292113 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f a ((f a ((f a (()) three)) two)) one) < 1232292116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (y z) (y (y (y (y (y z)))))) (l (x) (f a x x)) (y)) < 1232292117 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] (f a [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (x) (f a x x)]) [l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)]) f a [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (x) (f a x x)]) [l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)]) f a [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (x) (f a x x)]) [l (x) (f a x x)] (f a [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (x) (f a x x)]) [l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)]) f a [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (x) (f a x x)]) < 1232292134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oi, use my y < 1232292141 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232292156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (y z) (y (y (y (y (y z)))))) (l (x) (f a x x)) (l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x)))))) < 1232292156 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] (l (f) a ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x)))) [l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))]) [l (x) (f a x x)] [l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))] l (f) a ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x)))) [l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))]) [l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] [l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))] l (f) a ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x)))) [l (f) ((l (x) < 1232292159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232292162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval ((l (y z) (y (y (y (y (y z)))))) (l (x) (f a x x)) (q)) < 1232292163 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] (q q) [l (x) (f a x x)] (q) q q) [l (x) (f a x x)] ([l (x) (f a x x)] (q) q q) [l (x) (f a x x)] (q q) [l (x) (f a x x)] (q) q q) < 1232292170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that seems to be a bug < 1232292173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))) < 1232292174 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (f) ((l (x) (f (x x))) (l (x) (f (x x))))] < 1232292175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas don't seem to be scoping properly < 1232292177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 < 1232292188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't do renaming < 1232292189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1232292190 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eval (f (l (x y) (f a (x) y)) () (one two three)) < 1232292190 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(three two one) < 1232292204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how can I do recursion properly? < 1232292210 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulations, you've discovered the lambda bug. < 1232292223 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-184.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232292231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's a known bug, that's OK < 1232292231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many bloody (non-indented) parentheses for me to read < 1232292245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it pretty hard to program in, though < 1232292248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would this bug make the language sub-tc? < 1232292264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1232292264 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translate your program into SKI and see if it works. < 1232292268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, if SKI works < 1232292271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232292324 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to circumvent it by using [l ...] instead of (l ...). < 1232292358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the square brackets mean? < 1232292423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with writing a program in Scheme is that you have to write the implementation first. < 1232292439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or use an existing implementation < 1232292444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1232292448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not work correctly. < 1232292453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1232292469 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's special syntax for a Lambda instead of a List evaluating to a Lambda. < 1232292483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd tell you, but that would take hours because it's you < 1232292490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird seems to think that various langs, like Scheme and Smalltalk, are inherently incapable of being portable < 1232292492 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The insert function, which lambdas use for substitution, doesn't affect Lambdas as badly as Lists. < 1232292496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I don't. < 1232292506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well good thing there is R6RS then :D < 1232292508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1232292553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FWIW I'm incredibly tired of the "AnMaster says something stupid, ais523 replies saying something untrue in the format 'oh ehird thinks this and that' in a condescending manner" pattern that happens near-daily in here < 1232292555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and well, if you want non-basic stuff then R5RS is a pain. < 1232292655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least C has a large enough standard library to make it possible to write kind of portable apps that are still quite useful < 1232292681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232292686 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232292703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, and well, if you want non-basic stuff then R5RS is a pain. < 1232292720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should invent a PSOX but for non-esoteric langs < 1232292726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1232292727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No. They shouldn't. < 1232292743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I had to use the equivalent of C's system() a couple of times when programming in Prolog < 1232292757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do things that weren't included in its stdlib < 1232292762 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does system() do? < 1232292772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man system < 1232292776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: causes the implementation to behave in an implementation-defined manner < 1232292780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice, normally runs shell commands < 1232292791 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1232292827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system() probably has my favourite definition of any of C's standard library functions < 1232292838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actulaly, system(NULL) is defined < 1232292848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its return value tells you whether system() does anything or nt < 1232292849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1232292855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't tell you what, though, in the case where it doesn't < 1232292863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the case where it does < 1232292866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n't$// < 1232292867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232292868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n't$// < 1232292873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1232292880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, argh you were half a second faster < 1232292887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, multiple seconds < 1232292891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not here < 1232292892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lag < 1232292897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag is for squares < 1232292904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more like about 1 second from where I was watching < 1232292907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1232292934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if bitshifting pointers is allowed by C89. < 1232292944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to cast them to ints first < 1232292947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it in C99? < 1232292953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't care. < 1232292956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works better in C99 because you have uintptr_t to cast them to < 1232292957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is undefined isn't it? casting them to int? < 1232292958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you cast those ints back? < 1232292963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, implementation-defined < 1232292973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes in C99, no in C89 because there might not be an integer type big enough < 1232292979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also uintptr_t makes no sense if function pointers have a different size < 1232292983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in C99 there might not be one either, but it at least gives you a compile-time error < 1232292990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it's designed for data pointers < 1232292992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't care about stupid languages where sizeof(int) != sizeof(void *). < 1232293000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like amd64? < 1232293001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: umm... < 1232293005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232293008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/languages/architechtures/ < 1232293010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of C implementations have sizeof(int) != sizeof(void *) < 1232293013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: amd64 is for squares. < 1232293018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those implementations are for squares. < 1232293024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned long has the best chance of being the same size as void* < 1232293028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1232293033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it differs on DOS in certain memory models < 1232293052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers the days of things like farmalloc
< 1232293060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farmalloc!? < 1232293065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allocates a farm. < 1232293074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A farm is an old DOS concept. < 1232293081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you can store N objects in there, where N is the size of the farm. < 1232293085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it allocates memory in a different segment < 1232293087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't it related to struct cow? < 1232293088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's efficient because they're grouped together in memory. < 1232293090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, a farm. < 1232293096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you need a special type of pointer, called a far pointer < 1232293105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I see. I used mac back then < 1232293109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1232293119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of memory models < 1232293127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, 4 of them allow for near/far pointers for data/code < 1232293141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 5th has far pointers for data and for code, but also makes the data segment and stack segment differ < 1232293150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so pointers come in several sizes? and some of these are relative current area? < 1232293155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1232293162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char __near * is 16 bits < 1232293165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char __far * is 32 bits < 1232293177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232293182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't put the unportable qualifier on, it uses implementation defaults < 1232293196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is legal C89, but with different sizeof() returns, in all 5 memory models) < 1232293211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc gave you a data pointer < 1232293216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the "unportable qualifier"? < 1232293221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: __near or __far < 1232293223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232293227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are qualifiers, but obviously not portable ones < 1232293234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought there was something like __unportable < 1232293236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you meant < 1232293240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would be ridiculous < 1232293244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1232293249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232293253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1232293268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40… WolfMn22: are you there < 1232293268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40… WolfMn22: are you there < 1232293268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40… WolfMn22: young beautiful woman < 1232293274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a fan
< 1232293275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be __portable too of course < 1232293278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, most DOS compilers worked without the double-underscore, except in strict ANSI mode < 1232293281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GCC extension < 1232293290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that forbids other GCC extensions :D < 1232293303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes -ansi already does it...) < 1232293309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, nowadays in C99 we have _Pragma < 1232293323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically __attribute__ with a more official name < 1232293326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well GCC actually have __extension__ iirc, for use in system headers < 1232293335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, gcc should accept it as a synonym for __attribute__ < 1232293336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1232293337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also doesn't C89 have plain #pragma? < 1232293340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1232293350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Pragma is just for using in macros iirc < 1232293351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the gcc folks didn't like it because it couldn't be generated using macros < 1232293359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232293411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting to see what pragmas are used for, actually < 1232293427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh also x86_64 has several memory models, I don't know what the point is of that though < 1232293430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first C implementation was Borland C++, which I normally used in C++ mode because I didn't know better < 1232293441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had pragmas to turn compiler warnings on and off < 1232293449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-mcmodel < 1232293454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to run things before the program started, like atexit in reverse < 1232293472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it had pragmas to turn compiler warnings on and off <-- very recent GCC has pragmas, and attributes, for that too < 1232293479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other compiler options < 1232293488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and a pragma to change its command-line options dynamically, which was fun < 1232293489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like changing to -O3 for just a single function < 1232293494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232293509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to change -Wl dynamically < 1232293516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have different linker options for different functions < 1232293518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be hard < 1232293526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then watch the poor linker try to figure out wtf you're doing < 1232293544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um would require changing the object file format I think < 1232293554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1232293556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's this? a JOKE?" < 1232293570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: #esoteric is where we make jokes possible < 1232293571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-mcmodel=small, -mcmodel=kernel, -mcmodel=medium, -mcmodel=large < 1232293579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and kill them seconds later.. < 1232293582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if something is clearly absurd, it's still fun to figure out how to do it < 1232293583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232293591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with ais523
< 1232293597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let not explaining a joke get in the way of a great esoprogramming idea < 1232293657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to think that [ um would require changing the object file format I think] was written with that intention, < 1232293661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... this VHDL IDE has frozen < 1232293662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I find it incredibly difficult. < 1232293680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I was thinking about it as an actual serious idea < 1232293680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was thinking about how to implement it yes < 1232293693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really in terms of implementation, but about what could be done with such a feature if it existed < 1232293695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all linker options could be changed that way < 1232293703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some yes < 1232293704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gcc-bf, for instance, you could run-length-encode certain functions < 1232293710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cause only certain functions to show a progress bar < 1232293718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more useful would be adding debug info only to certain functions) < 1232293735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are already some __attribute__s that affect linking, like the visibility one < 1232293748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so it isn't utterly implausible < 1232293770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--emit-relocs sounds like it could be done per-func too < 1232293772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets annoyed at DRM and licence managers
< 1232293801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never been annoyed at DRM before? < 1232293805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back on my laptop, I just use ghdl, it doesn't need to contact a licence server to verify I'm allowed to use it < 1232293811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: rarely, I don't normally use DRMed prorgams < 1232293816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ghdl? < 1232293820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drm is retarded, yep < 1232293828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a gcc-based VHDL simulator < 1232293836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles VHDL into executables, which is crazy enough in the first place < 1232293843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232293857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the executables can be run as executables, but they have a huge number of debug options and switches < 1232293860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you normally end up using < 1232293864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is wrong with the Direct Rendering Manager? < 1232293878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly VHDL is the only lang more often run under a debugger than not < 1232293921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, DRM allows open source opengl drivers on linux < 1232293927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly other *nix < 1232293930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you're taking a joke too far now < 1232293931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure about that) < 1232293941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when it wasn't that funny in the first place < 1232293967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I believe the DRM in the meaning I used existed before the copy protection crap < 1232293978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ais523 said < 1232293979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1232293987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but TLAs are oversubscribed nowadays < 1232293989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just call it copy protection, that is the original name < 1232293996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally which one is meant is obvious from context < 1232293997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people call it drm < 1232294005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language changes, it's only useful if we use the same one everyone else does < 1232294006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, DRM goes further than copy prevention mechanisms < 1232294009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy, I kno. < 1232294012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what ais523 said. again. < 1232294019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I have no personal experience of it < 1232294024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: possible < 1232294028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRMd stuff can normally be copied just fine, it's just that the resulting copies don't run < 1232294032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53 are there good implementations of .NET for python? does it require mono? < 1232294036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i implement .NET in python for breakfast < 1232294045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting. < 1232294047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .NET is a bytecode and API, not a language < 1232294062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulationsyougotthejoke.com < 1232294065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone register that) < 1232294077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also there is only one copy protection that actually works. Make it all in hardware. Software can *always* be copied < 1232294085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, he might just want the API < 1232294086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware is harder < 1232294096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think hardware makes copy protection work you're deluded < 1232294096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hardware can often be copied too < 1232294098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's the idea < 1232294109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but you need like millions to do it, you said so yourself < 1232294119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1232294120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digitally, if it can be consumed, it can be cloned instead < 1232294122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to manufacture it, yes < 1232294128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes exactlu < 1232294130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly* < 1232294136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, working out the internals and running on a simulator is a lot cheaper < 1232294138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often good enough < 1232294147 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1232294147 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Exiting" < 1232294154 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: using # as a bot prefix is really confusing < 1232294166 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1232294169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your kerlobot commands come out in blue and hyperlinked < 1232294170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well depends on what thing you want to simulate, I mean you can simulate a SNES easily enough. But a Wii? Probably not on modern computers < 1232294172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1232294186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, simulating a Wii wouldn't exactly be hard... < 1232294187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would probably end up with an expensive cluster or such to do it < 1232294188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a supercomputer... < 1232294204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less powerful than home computers. < 1232294205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'd still have to do cross-processor virtualisation < 1232294207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok what about a Sony Playstation thingy, those used for MD5 < 1232294210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of processor does the Wii have? < 1232294215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PPC < 1232294225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I believe it would be kind of slow to simulate that on most desktops < 1232294231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_(microprocessor) < 1232294240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's just a gpu. < 1232294243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers can have gpus. < 1232294243 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c6A9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294284 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232294319 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, it's 4 < 1232294346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1232294350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time in the UK < 1232294351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time. < 1232294355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, actually < 1232294357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the UTC time, too. < 1232294359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still 3:59 by my clock < 1232294363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, mine too. < 1232294368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 15:59. < 1232294371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:59 here so 15:59 there < 1232294411 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it is 16:00 according to normish.org. < 1232294419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232294432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my NTP-synchronized clock, too < 1232294457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ a few seconds when you said it kerlo < 1232294463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 seconds late then in fact < 1232294468 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This little clock doesn't display seconds. < 1232294469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... may as well have a look at Normish while I'm waiting for this stupid IDE to figure out what it's doing < 1232294509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what IDE? < 1232294514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that expensive one? < 1232294531 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232294550 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what is the difference between PPC and Cell? < 1232294613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really managed to understand that < 1232294795 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creampuff! < 1232294796 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232294854 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294860 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval t < 1232294860 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just (-1000)) < 1232294875 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s i) i) ((s i) i)) < 1232294882 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((loop i) (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i < 1232294894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (2 + 2) < 1232294894 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 + 2) < 1232294898 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1232294902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I was hoping for haskelleramation. < 1232294906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlobot: epic fail thar < 1232294945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskelleramation? < 1232294956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I *did* try google < 1232294963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I can't figure out what it means < 1232294981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from being related to haskell < 1232294985 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232294994 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being interpreted as Haskell, or something. < 1232294994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523_ < 1232295000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, aha < 1232295002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232295010 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232295021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this IDE needs to run at uni? you can't run it at home? < 1232295025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232295034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expensive closed-source stuff < 1232295035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, oh that is the DRM stuff? < 1232295049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1232295059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to go wrong only when opening a project, not when loading hte IDE itself < 1232295078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it on your laptop or only on school computers? < 1232295089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's see, boolean pair symbol number char string vector port procedure continuation table. < 1232295099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only on the university computers < 1232295099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/school/uni/ < 1232295104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else, I wonder? < 1232295104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing this on my laptop < 1232295106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uni is a type of school < 1232295108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is next to the Uni computer atm < 1232295109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aha < 1232295113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it I think. < 1232295115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard, keyboard, mouse, mouse < 1232295131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, data types for your scheme? < 1232295138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Fluffy bunnies. < 1232295214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well if you are doing this insanely speed optimised you might want to optimise lists in some special way, to make them into arrays in some contexts, might not need a different data type < 1232295235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggesting such a thing shows a severe lack of understanding of the general usage case of cons lists. < 1232295260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, true they are meant to be accessed from head to tail < 1232295274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1232295276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have an array type as well as a cons list type < 1232295285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even go all OCaml and have imperative types as well as functional types < 1232295288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes real arrays are useful indeed < 1232295292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which drives me mad, but is good for speed < 1232295293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Vector. < 1232295300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read R5RS. < 1232295309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't know about that either... < 1232295317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1232295369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how i should implement bignums. < 1232295377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe as an array of fixnums. < 1232295384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In base MAX_FIXNUM. < 1232295405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I don't know what is fastest, but isn't gmp quite fast? < 1232295420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not use gmp/ < 1232295425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/./ < 1232295436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what is wrong with it? < 1232295466 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now believe it impossible to get kerlobot to quit. < 1232295477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1232295480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1232295498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kill kerlobot would work if I was a server op, but I'm not < 1232295513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had a botnet, which I do not, a DDoS would work < 1232295525 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is a dare. < 1232295525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is rather crude < 1232295558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232295585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could physically go round to kerlo's computer and disconnect the network cable < 1232295592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be too expensive in plane fares, I think < 1232295602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or we could fake an abuse@ to his isp? < 1232295610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... kerlo's in the same timezone as me, maybe not < 1232295626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1232295630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the bot says comcast < 1232295630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo's bouncing off Normish < 1232295634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc is US? < 1232295635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs at UTC < 1232295642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder ctcp time told me UTC < 1232295664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States < 1232295665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232295709 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bouncing off Normish, but kerlobot is connected directly from here. < 1232295758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, another idea, which I admit would also be expensive: contact any local maffia, asks for the "special offer" < 1232295763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafia* < 1232295803 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232295826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that one's insane < 1232295839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just expensive, you have to worry about repercussions on yourself too < 1232295844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232295855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1232295857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option: bribe a Freenode staffer < 1232295864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we're into the realms of insanity here < 1232295865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, killing kerlo doesnt kill kerlobot < 1232295866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I believe social engineering on freenode staff would work better < 1232295866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neccessarily < 1232295882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm bouncing off Normish, but kerlobot is connected directly from here. < 1232295889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1232295893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing kerlo != killing his net. < 1232295901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when isp doesn't get paid they will cut his connection < 1232295904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it may take a few weeks < 1232295914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine his parents pay for the connection. < 1232295917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As he's a teen. < 1232295926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, didn't know that < 1232295946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, anyway, does it handle connection timeout and such properly? < 1232296411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that this IDE is just very very slow today for some reason < 1232296419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half an hour later, it shows signs of activity < 1232296429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, windows? < 1232296434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232296449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be the domain timeout bug, I suppose, but I don't think so < 1232296453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes, all the spyware installed are busy calling home, please show some consideration and wait for them to finish < 1232296461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's spyware < 1232296469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because these computers are reimaged every night < 1232296485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: install a spyware on the master image < 1232296505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are legitimate reasons to knock and dislike Windows; please don't improve its reputation with baseless trolling that makes the legitimate complaints seem bad < 1232296521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was trying to joke < 1232296561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: jokes are meant to be funny < 1232296581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in that case I would ask oerjan, not you < 1232296651 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232296660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s9.c:27: error: ‘NULL’ undeclared here (not in a function) < 1232296662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232296671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stdlib.h < 1232296686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL isn't a keyword < 1232296686 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not stddef.h? < 1232296691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdlib IIRC < 1232296692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo, oh maybe that too < 1232296700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've used stddef for years < 1232296706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdlib is included. < 1232296707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm... maybe it's included from stdlib, that would explain it) < 1232296711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not my program. < 1232296729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lots of headers include it < 1232296799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really annoying, this program's running massively slowly and I'm not even allowed to use a top-alike to see what's happening < 1232296813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'allowed'? < 1232296817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, task manager is allowed here < 1232296821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep, locked-down system < 1232296908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I've always hated the idea of a garbage collector. I understand why it's useful for most people, but I prefer being in control]] < 1232296919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is insane < 1232296920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a study on the link between programmers and sadists. < 1232296924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I try to run the program, it waits for a whiel < 1232296927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, masochists < 1232296929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brainfart
< 1232296937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait. both. < 1232296945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then prints the message Process "Synthesize - Synpifly Pro" failed < 1232296950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no error messages or warnings, but that < 1232296950 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Do you like clothepins on your nipple < 1232296951 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232296964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other output at all apart from that and a "Started" message < 1232296970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW, this program is failing and won't tell me why < 1232297294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1232297322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am becoming more and more convinced that the plain machine stack is the best way to handle function calls. < 1232297333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that copying the c stack isn't actually very hard < 1232297338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fast < 1232297385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue with using the machine stack is, how do you return multiple values in C, like scheme requires? You can't < 1232297418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible to return multiple values on the stack, just C doesn't provide a syntax for it < 1232297421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do that all the time in asm < 1232297435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but is it _possible_ to do it portably in C? No. < 1232297440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: you can do the same thing by returning a struct that contains all the data you want to return < 1232297450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DING! Wrong. That is not the "same thing". < 1232297456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ends up compiling to the same asm that returning multiple elements is < 1232297462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would be < 1232297475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that very is the same thing < 1232297484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you have a perverse ABI) < 1232297505 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50 < ais523> it's entirely possible to return multiple values on the stack, just C doesn't provide a syntax for it < 1232297510 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in.. returning a struct? < 1232297514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1232297521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returning a struct, in this case, is not an option < 1232297521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returning a struct is technically speaking only returning one value < 1232297524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it comes to the same thing < 1232297542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(returning a /pointer/ to a struct is different, returning the struct itself by-value isn't) < 1232297752 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232297787 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232298039 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232298117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setjmp/longjmp are meant to be cheap, right? < 1232298184 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1232298197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getcontext/setcontext presumably aren't :P < 1232298211 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by cheap i suppose < 1232298218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficient < 1232298221 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232298240 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all work in O(1) < 1232298245 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's efficient. < 1232298248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no duh < 1232298317 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but setjmp/longjmp don't have to do context switching < 1232298321 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stack unwinding < 1232298328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: setjmp/longjmp are relatively expensive, at least compared to goto < 1232298329 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are more cheap, yea < 1232298336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an article on thedailywtf about them < 1232298341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of people went and did lots of benchmarking < 1232298353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Craziness context: I'm considering writing my own :x < 1232298358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for cheapness/expense, it depends on the processor < 1232298364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most will have to save all the registers < 1232298376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is relatively cheap on an 8086 and expensive on something which has loads of registers < 1232298408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait, register starved is better? < 1232298415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not normally < 1232298418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232298419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's faster at longjmps < 1232298440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about it, if you had no registers but the stack pointer a longjmp would just be assignment to the stack pointer < 1232298449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys think you're so tough at playing baseball. < 1232298451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the return at the end of longjmp would return to the setjmp not to where it had been called < 1232298460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1232298468 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've having serious trouble deciding for a couch < 1232298469 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need help < 1232298470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let me tell you something: a professional baseball player would beat the crap out of each and everyone of you. < 1232298471 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232298477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even in scrabble < 1232298481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yeah I'm pretty much going to do that since who cares about registers < 1232298481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um? I don't play baseball < 1232298482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232298488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate scrabble < 1232298495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail at it all the time < 1232298518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I suck slightly less at chess, but I'm far from good at it < 1232298529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232298531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoosh. < 1232298536 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i kinda like BEDDINGE < 1232298545 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has no.. the... stuff.. at the sides < 1232298552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1232298553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me make sure i understood, you suck slightly at it, but you are far from good at it? < 1232298564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo, an esolang? < 1232298567 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232298568 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couch < 1232298570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:07 i've having serious trouble deciding for a couch < 1232298577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beddinge? sounds like a 2D language < 1232298577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEDDINGE < 1232298578 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'm < 1232298579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: AnMaster sucks slightly less at chess than at scrabble, but is far from good at both < 1232298580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE BEDDINGE < 1232298583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I like that word < 1232298586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of fungoid < 1232298591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh BADGER? < 1232298593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S49839894 < 1232298593 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/de/de/catalog/products/S29830007 < 1232298594 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232298595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neddomge < 1232298597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232298598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232298610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no arms :< < 1232298611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol okay i failed :P < 1232298613 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232298621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have arms. < 1232298626 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i think so too < 1232298627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to shoot things with < 1232298633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the constitution don't you know < 1232298641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed. How was it ambiguous? < 1232298644 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my constitution < 1232298668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor mine :P < 1232298672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232298677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes perfect sense that name < 1232298684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you read it in Swedish < 1232298693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not perfect sense, but much more sense that in English < 1232298695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BED BINGE < 1232298699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think it was, I was explaining for oklopol < 1232298707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right ais < 1232298725 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other sofa beds suck < 1232298736 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no arms either < 1232298736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dropped a crucial word < 1232298764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a desksofachairtablebed < 1232298766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in one < 1232298803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before anyone asks: no, I can't imagine how it would look < 1232298805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think that's impossible < 1232298818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to lie in bed and use the desktable at the same time, though < 1232298822 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, just some huge tank with some fluid in it < 1232298826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, use the desktable at the same time as the sofa < 1232298847 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the navigators in dune < 1232298894 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1232298968 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choosing a couch online sucks < 1232298969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thought on bignums being array-of-ints-in-base-max-int? < 1232298981 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but running around in ikea sucks even more < 1232298984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use an existing bignum library, it can almost certainly beat you by a lot < 1232298992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no fun < 1232298999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a plausible implementation, though < 1232299012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the one that asm uses, if you're mad enough to do bignums in asm < 1232299068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1232299112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, one thing I can't do is track how many segments there are, since that needs to be a bignum too :) < 1232299117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll have to be NULL-terminated < 1232299132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about sign bits, do you think? < 1232299133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-A,B? < 1232299135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-A,-B? < 1232299140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEGATIVE + {A,B}? < 1232299174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in an actual implementation it would be limited by sizeof(void*) < 1232299188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think I'll make it a linked list < 1232299196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 2's complemetn < 1232299198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complement < 1232299199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds slow, a vector would be better < 1232299212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's for binray < 1232299214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary < 1232299253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: same trick works for any power-of-2 base < 1232299268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the max of an unsigned long always a power of 2? < 1232299269 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232299271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so, in modern systems. < 1232299289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a power of 2 minus 1 on all C systems, I think < 1232299332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232299337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAX_ULONG, MAX_UNSIGNED_LONG aren't defined < 1232299339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what it is < 1232299343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULONG_MAX < 1232299345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1232299347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, right < 1232299351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should make it unsigned long long where that's supported < 1232299354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster will know even if I get it wrong < 1232299364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2147483647L * 2UL + 1UL) < 1232299367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about gcc? it has a type longer than long long as an extension < 1232299369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they couldn't just give a constant... < 1232299378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it has to be done like that, I think < 1232299396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to handling buggy compilers which get confused by 'negative' numbers < 1232299400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232299413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i'm working in base 4294967295 :D < 1232299419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1232299422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what unsigned long long max is < 1232299424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULONGLONG_MAX? < 1232299428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULL_MAX < 1232299433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should be working in base 4294967296 < 1232299435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULONG_LONG_MAX also < 1232299442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, er, yeah < 1232299443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 4294967295 is the maximum possible value < 1232299449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ULL_MAX < 1232299449 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232299453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULL_MAX is undefined < 1232299463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULLONG_MAX is actually plausible < 1232299464 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232299473 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (c W H A R R G A R B L) < 1232299474 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHARRGARBL < 1232299478 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1232299488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, on this machine I'm working in base 18446744073709551614 < 1232299494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the gcc thing you mentioned? < 1232299499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__uint128_t, IIRC < 1232299508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I won't bother touching it < 1232299521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you don't have native 128-bit operators, it'll probably be slower < 1232299527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, probably using unsigned longs is best < 1232299534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not unsigned long longs? < 1232299536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for very big numbers < 1232299539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because they'd have to be emulateed < 1232299546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, why? < 1232299553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a 64 bit machine < 1232299573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232299580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unsigned long is 64 bits on a 64 bit machine < 1232299581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ought to be < 1232299594 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, ought to be. < 1232299596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X compiles things as 32-bit by default, though. < 1232299598 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunatly people suck < 1232299601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For god knows what reason. < 1232299611 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1232299612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then 64-bit operations will have to be emulated < 1232299618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they aren't available when compiling as 32 bit < 1232299620 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long should more be like 128 bit on a 64 bit machine < 1232299633 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int should be the native register size < 1232299640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what constant is defined for 64-bit/32-bit again? < 1232299643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot.. < 1232299644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232299663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a standard one < 1232299664 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232299679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(unsigned long) is normally an easy way to check, though < 1232299680 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232299682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: int is 32-bit on gcc mostly even when you do -m64 though, isn't it? < 1232299686 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (h WHARRGARBL) < 1232299686 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(W HARRGARBL) < 1232299688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sizeof(int), likewise, tells you if you're on 16-bit or 32-bit < 1232299688 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't work on win32 though < 1232299696 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep < 1232299705 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now you can cut symbols apart and put them together. < 1232299726 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but that's only because people suck < 1232299731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why doesn't #error sizeof(...) work :-P < 1232299732 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fail to write portable software < 1232299735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shoooooooooould < 1232299741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because sizeof is compile-time, not preprocess-time < 1232299749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:::( < 1232299756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mess about with limits.h, though, if you prefer < 1232299760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else use a static assertion < 1232299779 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some flaming with zhivago about that one < 1232299787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh ... sizeof(unsigned long) = sizeof(int) here < 1232299802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232299811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 32 bit, sizeof(ul)=sizeof(int)=4 < 1232299815 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(int) really should be the native register size. < 1232299815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 64 bit, sizeof(ul)=8; sizeof(int)=4 < 1232299821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfomobil < 1232299821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232299828 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and long should preferrably larger, emulated by software if necessary < 1232299831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what I can draw from this, is: < 1232299835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use unsigned long :-P < 1232299836 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "long long" is just silly < 1232299847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a long^N specifier < 1232299853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned long^4 x; < 1232299854 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we don't. < 1232299856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1232299874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: algol actually had long long long long long int as a valid data type < 1232299876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with any number of longs < 1232299883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232299890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a constant, max lengths, which told you how many longs had an effect < 1232299893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, max shorths < 1232299907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(identifiers could contain spaces in algol, which was a great way to cause confusion) < 1232299960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/bignum] % cc -m64 bignum.c; ./a.out < 1232299960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551614 < 1232299961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/bignum] % cc bignum.c; ./a.out < 1232299963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967294 < 1232299966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 64-bit output is lollerific < 1232299968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232299974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many numbers do you deal with bigger than that? < 1232299983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef unsigned long bignum; < 1232299983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232300009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my brother convinced me to teach him Perl, just so he could do really bignum calculations < 1232300012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's looking for big primes < 1232300014 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short short short short short short int: if int is 32-bits wide and can hold any of 4294967296 values, this is half a bit wide and can hold any of sqrt(2) values. < 1232300022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, Perl isn't an ideal lang for doing that quickly, but it keeps him happy < 1232300024 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like addressing modern harddrives? < 1232300031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol, how old is he? < 1232300035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :younger than me < 1232300038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember exactly how old < 1232300041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flexo: except im using this in an implementation of Scheme :-P < 1232300049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although theoretically you could do that < 1232300076 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. i used a certain lisp-subset a lot when i was a kid < 1232300084 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows ADVSYS? :) < 1232300116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes void bui_mod_succ(biguint n) , without knowing anything about how to actually implement stuff like this.
< 1232300117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo! < 1232300134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how are you marking the length of the integer? < 1232300144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: {blah,blah,blah,NULL} < 1232300154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno whether it'll be big endian or little endian < 1232300164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking little endian, so that it's easier to do things like succ < 1232300167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without reading to the end < 1232300172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that's a really bad way to do it < 1232300178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it :< < 1232300179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, it should be length-prefixed < 1232300183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want a special value < 1232300189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, fail :D < 1232300190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can't use the entire range of your int, or whatever < 1232300194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you do that length prefixed < 1232300198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the length would have to be a bignum < 1232300200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, yes < 1232300204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive bignums ftw < 1232300213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that would work. < 1232300214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your method is much less efficient < 1232300238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that is inefficient, use this impossible method instead" < 1232300255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're going for speed, aren't you? < 1232300258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not atm < 1232300261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted efficient I'd use gmp < 1232300264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advice is to make length-prefixed possible < 1232300270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that's what gmp does < 1232300275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care < 1232300280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simpler to implement this < 1232300284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's more conceptually pure < 1232300297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't more pure, it's conceptually a lot dirtier < 1232300304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care :) < 1232300310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing purer than going add/add-with-carry/add-with-carry all the way along a bignum < 1232300323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't caaaaaaaaaaare :) < 1232300328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, you can just length-prefix it with a long long, the computer would run out of memory before it ran out of length prefixes) < 1232300345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if you prefer, prefix with a pointer to the last element < 1232300354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly in memory, therefore it can be pointed at < 1232300355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1232300361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to live in a world of infinite memory < 1232300374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then you have infinite pointers < 1232300377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem still solve < 1232300380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solved < 1232300385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, fine < 1232300408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but then I have to use VLAs. < 1232300422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1232300423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct { < 1232300423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BLOCK_TYPE *last; < 1232300425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BLOCK_TYPE data[]; < 1232300427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} *biguint; < 1232300445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a VLA < 1232300450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the legalised struct hack < 1232300458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1232300465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's c99 only isn't it < 1232300466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232300467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just put a 1 in the square brackets on C89, there's no known system on which the original struct hack doesn't work < 1232300472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232300476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being technically illegal < 1232300481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly seen it as data[0] < 1232300487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's a gcc-ism < 1232300487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to emphasise the hack < 1232300491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it? ok < 1232300499 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232300516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232300523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't an infinite-pointer system have infinite unsigned longs too? < 1232300529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus no need for bignums... < 1232300531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1232300546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, C fails at handling sizeof infinite data types < 1232300555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my aversion of length counting's justification: http://jwz.livejournal.com/854482.html :P < 1232300557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really annoyed that the definition of C excludes bignums < 1232300568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't like length counting for strings, normally < 1232300572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bignums, though, it works a lot better < 1232300572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for strings < 1232300574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the post < 1232300623 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is a fucking macro assembler. no bigints there. < 1232300635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: classic < 1232300649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a flaw in their bignum implementation, though < 1232300653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? < 1232300658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't have a big enough length ehader < 1232300664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define big enough < 1232300717 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fifth season will commence on January 21, 2009 with a three-hour premiere consisting of a clip-show and two back-to-back new episodes. < 1232300720 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1232300726 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 3 days < 1232300745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232300746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232300749 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost! < 1232300752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232300756 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232300765 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think i'd make it < 1232300772 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 more days < 1232300786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut < 1232300788 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my life will have meaning again < 1232300812 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost? you know? as in tv? < 1232300859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232300860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1232300863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a crazy idea for how to implement an AI that would actually work, it is technically unfeasible though < 1232300870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it wouldn't work < 1232300891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, simulate life exactly, I mean simulate evolution, from the start < 1232300898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all details < 1232300906 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so much artitical < 1232300906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would require huge resources though < 1232300912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't do that < 1232300915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't know the details < 1232300916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how do you know that intelligence would evolve before the extinction of life? < 1232300920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have nature's random number generator < 1232300931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you would have to do several runs of course < 1232300933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what you're saying is, < 1232300941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but given enough time it should work < 1232300946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odds against intelligence may be incredibly high < 1232300948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's an easy way to simulate intelligence: simulate everything!" < 1232300958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I said "technically unfeasible" < 1232300959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that intelligence evolved here may have been a huge fluke < 1232300962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulating intelligence is almost certainly easier than simulating everything < 1232300969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus your solution is a non-solution, even with an infinitely powerful computer < 1232300982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anywhere where the point will be brought up, there must be intelligences to ask the question < 1232300993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed. I said "technically unfeasible" and "given enough time" < 1232301005 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I'd rather just use genetic algorithms. < 1232301005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could also brute-force intelligence. < 1232301014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's both way easier to implement and about as efficient. < 1232301018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how would you detect it once you had it? < 1232301020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1232301025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably stack the dice a bit by ensuring there was something resembling earth geologically... < 1232301032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: clone an infinite amount of people and have them talk with the iterations simultaneously < 1232301034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1232301045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No harder than simulating the entire universe.) < 1232301049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: being able to clone an infinite number of people would probably mean you could just outsource your intelligence < 1232301050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to them < 1232301057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would not be artificial. < 1232301075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plate tectonics, the right elements and the right temperature is a good start i think < 1232301094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(recent Slashdot story: it seems some companies have been using Mechanical Turk to astroturf Amazon reviews of their products) < 1232301116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yes, but all written in rules of basic physics < 1232301137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, quantum mechanics level or so, or you couldn't simulate all effects < 1232301164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that would require as near infinite resources as it makes no practical difference that it would in fact only be finite resources < 1232301187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not need to simulate more than the biosphere to full precision < 1232301206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true, but probably not all of space < 1232301235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'aww, while (printf("%lu\n", *n++)); wouldn't work < 1232301238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to return *n < 1232301242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I mean, relativity limits speed of information < 1232301245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (printf("%lu\n", *n++), *n); < 1232301246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough < 1232301254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only the visible universe at the end of the simulation < 1232301277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you could probably fake it, no one would notice if the stars were made of paper ;) < 1232301350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone, anyone up for the task of calculating much computer resources this would need? < 1232301380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er i said "you may _not_ need". did you read me backwards? < 1232301403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh indeed I must have done < 1232301435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you could stack the dice even more, you could probably get a simple cell in there < 1232301455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stack the dice" I never heard that idiom before < 1232301473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stack the deck, surely? < 1232301479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232301480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, going for a while, I need to get dinner < 1232301480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232301482 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it would be less effort to build a new biosphere than simulating one < 1232301485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232301491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does "stack the deck" mean? < 1232301508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to arrange something in a way that is not fair in order to achieve what you want" < 1232301518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what a shock they would get when they realise that they are simulated < 1232301524 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the universe is kinda efficient in "emulating" stuff in itself. < 1232301542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well maybe. _we_ could be simulated. < 1232301551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I was thinking about that too < 1232301563 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's more likely that it's just me being simulated :) < 1232301567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be simulations all the way up :D < 1232301573 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you all consist of paper < 1232301588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they wouldn't realise they were simulated. < 1232301589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, augh! < 1232301595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get religions, and atheists. < 1232301610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some fringe ones arguing they're all simulated, dismissed as kooks. < 1232301613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what if we planted a message, like that that book, Strata < 1232301620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by T. Pratchett < 1232301621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like the bible < 1232301635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean like in Strata by T. Pratchett < 1232301645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not read it./ < 1232301647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1232301657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232301669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is Pratchett, it is kind of hard to make a short plot summary < 1232301673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you surely can imagine < 1232301697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's one on wikipedia :D < 1232301705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it'd almost certainly go on exactly as the religious situation in this world goes on. < 1232301718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were extremely blatant, probably they'd die of shock, or rebel against you. < 1232301747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well that is assuming there _is_ no actual divine input to the world's religions. < 1232301756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this world's) < 1232301773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is my belief :-) < 1232301789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but that is not the same as "almost certainly". < 1232301798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1232301813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but christianity could well be truly divinely influenced, doesn't mean people take it any more seriously < 1232301872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *CONTRAVARSY*
< 1232301913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight, I'll length count. < 1232301915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans in the book have advanced to terraforming other planets and so on, to increase biodiversity. After some thousand generations before getting to space flight the emigrants tend to forget that they came from elsewhere. Something like that. However, sometimes the machine operators leave some (unauthorised) clues when terraforming. Like a fossile of a dinosaur holding a sign saying "Stop nu < 1232301915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear war".... And well in the end the protagonists find out that the universe they live in was constructed. Thanks to a clue left in it. < 1232301916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to incrementerament < 1232301928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clue was a flat world. This work iirc pre-dates disc world < 1232301933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232301939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrug
< 1232301943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fiction. < 1232301948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes of course < 1232301961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be so cool if it wasn't ;P < 1232302171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, there should be a realloc that forces in-placeness < 1232302371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( my bui_mod_incr doesn't work < 1232302442 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithm: replace all vowels except I and Y with A. < 1232302470 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, leave silent E as well. < 1232302495 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, leave all E's. < 1232302549 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++>++++++++[->++++++++<]>++++++>++++++[[->+>+<<]>>[-<<+>>]<[-<<.>>]<-<<<.>>>] < 1232302550 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFF.FFFFF.FFFF.FFF.FF.F. < 1232302579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assure you that this is all part of my evil plan. < 1232302585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how assuring. < 1232302622 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEARGE W. BASH WILL STAP BARACK ABAMA FRAM DESTRAYING AAR CAANTRY! < 1232302637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proto: Eliminate consonants. < 1232302678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eoe u i o aa aa o eroyi ou ouny! < 1232302718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THE PAINT AF THIS? < 1232302732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, there should be a realloc that forces in-placeness <-- that is not possible in practise since there could be other stuff allocated after < 1232302738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1232302740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write over it < 1232302741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232302762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not just check the return value? < 1232302787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your face < 1232302812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense, not even grammatically < 1232302829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does your face < 1232302835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he said < 1232302840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that made sense grammatically < 1232302843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because *you're* face < 1232302844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wrong < 1232302847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sint re soud dsust retrace arr tonsonants ris arzeorar tonsonants. < 1232302849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a common mistake < 1232302864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh... < 1232302873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arzeorar? < 1232302874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that make no sense either < 1232302892 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alveolar. < 1232302904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ssh, it's a secret that AnMaster is Mr. Potato Head < 1232302909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, what is the substitution? c->t I see < 1232302921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes? < 1232302931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who? < 1232302949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good thing it isn't telnet at least < 1232302951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a famous face < 1232302957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: scarily, that worked < 1232302969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes someone gets that bad pun
< 1232302981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope < 1232302986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did. < 1232302988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232303002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1232303009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dodges
< 1232303024 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what worked? < 1232303031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: consonant replacing < 1232303094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't l alveolar? < 1232303095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway there might be a way to handle the realloc() issue < 1232303099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you tell me why you need it < 1232303114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont < 1232303114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232303121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my increment doesnt work :((((((( < 1232303124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it seems to be linux specific anyway < 1232303186 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glibc specific? :-> < 1232303221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, linux kernel specific I think < 1232303228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what the man page says < 1232303247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, the memory allocation functions Linux kernel implements are brk() and mmap(). < 1232303263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically: mmap with MAP_FIXED (and possibly MAP_GROWSDOWN), then mremap (possibly using MREMAP_FIXED, not 100% sure about that) < 1232303263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also mremap(). < 1232303286 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P becomes T, B becomes D, T remains T, D remains D, CH becomes TS, J becomes DZ, K becomes T, hard G becomes D, F becomes S, V becomes Z, soft TH becomes S, hard TH becomes Z, S remains S, Z remains Z, SH becomes S, "zh" becomes Z, H becomes S, M becomes N, N remains N, NG becomes N, L remains L, R remains R, W becomes R, Y becomes R. < 1232303304 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, "alveolar" becomes "alzeolar", not "arzeolar". < 1232303314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, that isn't loseless, also how did you decide on this scheme? < 1232303328 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All consonants become alveolar. < 1232303339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles alveolar
< 1232303365 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unvoiced glottal fricative becomes unvoiced alveolar fricative, voiced bilabial stop becomes voiced alveolar stop, etc. < 1232303378 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Process memory maps are available, so one can check if there's gap after current allocation... < 1232303384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whap aboup mapim ip wabiw imfpeab? < 1232303393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wabiaw < 1232303407 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds really fun. < 1232303414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, huh. I might understand that better if translated to Swedish < 1232303467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unvoiced glottal fricative becomes unvoiced alveolar fricative, voiced bilabial stop becomes voiced alveolar stop, etc. <- I understood the words "(un)?voiced", "stop", "becomes" and "etc" in that < 1232303480 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're all phonetic terms. < 1232303488 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf <. < 1232303491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, well I don't know much about that < 1232303495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it wraps < 1232303497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ustemda glottala frikativer bliver ustemda alveolära frikativer ;D < 1232303498 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1232303508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no less understandable :P < 1232303524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, 1000 or 10000 cells iirc < 1232303529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the source for details < 1232303668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boinkor.net/misc/terrible-xml-error.png < 1232303699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technomadic? NOMADS? < 1232303703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and funny < 1232303711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ostämda, i think < 1232303726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is why I use an electrical piano :P < 1232303742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1232303770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so not so bad it is good this time? :( < 1232303842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surreal < 1232303854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1232303861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1232303929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain cannot grasp how that comment leads from mine, even as a pun :D < 1232303939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*follows < 1232303963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you know an instrument needs to be tuned? < 1232303968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is stämma in Swedish < 1232303978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, ostämda, would be non-tuned < 1232303982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in need of tuning < 1232303995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to tune an electrical piano :P < 1232304004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION evacuates the building ->
< 1232304009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe it doesn't work in Norwegian? < 1232304010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, get away from the dangerous AnMaster, everyone < 1232304016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible pun situation, let's get this under control < 1232304019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone out in an orderly fashion -> < 1232304021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins ehird
< 1232304027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets get out of here < 1232304029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it works all right. it just doesn't make sense. < 1232304030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION squirts AnMaster with funny juicde
< 1232304033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*juice < 1232304037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on everyone -> < 1232304039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastes nice! < 1232304043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION follows
< 1232304048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bats AnMaster with a cluebat
< 1232304049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232304062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Always were a hard hat on irc < 1232304065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I always say < 1232304067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want one too? < 1232304072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands ehird a nice hard hat
< 1232304076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts AnMaster in a cage
< 1232304077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232304100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey good thing I was Houdini in a previous life! < 1232304108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and good thing I believe in reincarnation) < 1232304115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kills AnMaster
< 1232304119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1232304121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we don't need to evacuate! < 1232304128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you kill? < 1232304133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of weapon or such < 1232304133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: funny-clue-giving-machine < 1232304137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allergic to it < 1232304150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah good thing I took the medicine this morning then < 1232304151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232304156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is no cure < 1232304159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION walks out of the exit
< 1232304163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: channel logs < 1232304167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay out of the building < 1232304172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1232304176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns on the lhc, targets at AnMaster
< 1232304182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what was it that was so dangerous in there? < 1232304185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dodges
< 1232304196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but you're already a black hole, remember? < 1232304198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[black hole expands to be as big as anmaster and everywhere at once] < 1232304207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns off LHC just as AnMaster is sunk in.
< 1232304211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few million casualties. < 1232304212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no I dodged fast enough < 1232304223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that was debunked, see snopes or something < 1232304237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe busted, in that case see mythbusters < 1232304243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snopes is clearly one of the men in black < 1232304254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe everything he debunks < 1232304256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then mythbusters clearly < 1232304273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they too < 1232304287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure about not believe, but no they aren't MIB < 1232304295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNMP protocol would simply reject them < 1232304299 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-89-224.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232304316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION certainly hopes no one find that funny
< 1232304326 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232304346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be hurting you now if i knew the acronyms without looking them up < 1232304365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, first hit on google is "Management information base", used in the SNMP protocol < 1232304392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly anmasterful joke < 1232304406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and yes I like making bad puns, it is like you know, the counter weight continent < 1232304416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone need to balance your good puns < 1232304426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the channel will tip over < 1232304436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean some day the bad puns will create that black hole out of sheer weight? < 1232304487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, I mean without me you would be a white hole just throwing out more and more puns until everyone in here died of laughing, as it is I'm kind of balancing this < 1232304525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1232304551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone walk away from the crazy man -> < 1232304564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232304578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? the channel is full of them < 1232304592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, exactly < 1232304593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1232304605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you are worse, you talked a lot about TIME CUBE < 1232304613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, stupid academic < 1232304646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are a bit untrained, you forgot upper case < 1232304691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube is not all uppercase. < 1232304735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok true < 1232304739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is very large font < 1232304801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems he updated it? < 1232304984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to beat AnMaster at this joking game < 1232304985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehird: come on everyone ->" < 1232304988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1232304992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION comes on everyone
< 1232305000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bravo < 1232305002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, :D < 1232305023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, AnMaster going :D at a sex joke? < 1232305026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the world comingt o < 1232305028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure < 1232305030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming to < 1232305031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF HURF HURF < 1232305038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232305039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232305041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah* < 1232305082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, this is the pinnacle achivement of mankind today: http://music.metafilter.com/2943/Runnin-With-The-Songsmith < 1232305125 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@f-34.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232305248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is the actual music on that link? < 1232305255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable flash :\ < 1232305260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1232305264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an mp3 link might be in the html source < 1232305265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look < 1232305272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, 'music' is a bit rich < 1232305284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://music.metafilter.com/music/DevilAudio.mp3 < 1232305296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I did enable all scripts, and I don't see any such "missing plugin box" < 1232305296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232305297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1232305302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cover your ears < 1232305322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ouch < 1232305351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song sounds like it should fit some sort of rock or possibly metal music < 1232305356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that music doesn't fit < 1232305360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1232305364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the post < 1232305366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232305370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this: < 1232305376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tpX3NhpRGdE&feature=related < 1232305377 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1232305378 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1232305382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s vocal track, put into: < 1232305390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E < 1232305398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a hideous abominatory microsoft creation < 1232305405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! < 1232305410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it makes music < 1232305411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from vocals < 1232305420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advert is linked to is simply hilarious < 1232305421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1232305427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes *sound* from music < 1232305427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it _attempts_ to < 1232305428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232305430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232305431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound from singing < 1232305433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232305438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I say it doesn't make music < 1232305459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it arguably improves van halen. < 1232305479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't listened to original yet < 1232305483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do shortly < 1232305500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone can listen to such an abomination all the way through < 1232305563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the original is about as horrible in fact < 1232305565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a differen < 1232305568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different way < 1232305575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now watch the songsmith advert :-D < 1232305579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you've already seen it < 1232305587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it same as http://music.metafilter.com/music/DevilAudio.mp3 ? < 1232305601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1232305604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232305609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E < 1232305613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official from-microsoft advert < 1232305615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how come youtube didn't remove audio from the original? < 1232305618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that is copyrighted < 1232305632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they tried to, but everyone they sent to do it died of hearing it before they could mute it < 1232305686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1232305712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give up! < 1232305714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't watch more than 30 seconds of it < 1232305715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets better as it goes < 1232305719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where better means worse < 1232305777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will anyone actually buy it? < 1232305782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1232305802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked their forums, people were actually asking when it could be bought in non-US places < 1232305803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1232305816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1232305829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean compared to this even rap is good < 1232305832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future, all music will be made with songsmith. < 1232305837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musicians will be obsolete. < 1232305847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the vocalists for it will be replaced with Microsoft Sam text-to-speech. < 1232305853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lyricwriters? markov chains. < 1232305863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good thing I have some good old style gramophone records with classical music on them then < 1232305872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they will be outlawed. < 1232305883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually, feeding Ms Sam into that would be interesting < 1232305885 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232305890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the result would be < 1232305892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232305894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1232305897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wb me < 1232305901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, microsoft sam doesn't exactly do any intonation < 1232305913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes so what will songsmith do with it I wonder < 1232305928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play the same chord over and over again? < 1232305934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1232305969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this product won't lower the overall music quality of the world. Because it doesn't count as music < 1232305980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, SongSmith? < 1232305989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we're talking about feeding microsoft sam into songsmith. < 1232306006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with text from markov chains. < 1232306016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also how the heck does it handle when the person singing don't know how to sing properly, I mean can't "find the notes" or whatever you say in English < 1232306020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that could count as good piece of art-music, possibly. like, sarcastically. < 1232306020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1232306024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it retune to a different freq on demand? < 1232306033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably it tries to correct it when making the chords < 1232306034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely, < 1232306039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll produce more awful crap < 1232306039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh yes modernistic music, sure it would work as that < 1232306049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it just produces bad music, it does that even with people who can sing I expect < 1232306060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SongSmith may turn out to be an even worse idea than Microsoft Bob < 1232306065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen < 1232306068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, someone fed some rock vocalist into it < 1232306070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music.metafilter.com/music/DevilAudio.mp3 < 1232306074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what AnMaster said :-P < 1232306074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produced something totally different < 1232306079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that link < 1232306080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :van halen vocals + songsmith = http://music.metafilter.com/music/DevilAudio.mp3 < 1232306101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't even set the bpm correctly, they just set the "happy" slider at full < 1232306102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232306119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it arguably improves van halen. <-- no... equally bad before and after < 1232306141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can listen to the songsmithed version all the way through, not the original < 1232306169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is because the original has video too < 1232306174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. good point. < 1232306183 0 :join!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-93-23.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232306184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hide that it isn't so bad < 1232306190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi join < 1232306195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's part? < 1232306198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who has it should pipe a few Fugue programs into it < 1232306201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah < 1232306209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, none of us has it < 1232306216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and htf did Slereah hit on an obvious non-registered nickname? < 1232306219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 6-hour demo, AnMaster < 1232306220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what is Fugue? < 1232306229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fugue < 1232306244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of songsmith? < 1232306247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1232306252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could boot up windows and download it, I guess. < 1232306271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as in, you only get to use it for 6 hours? < 1232306271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not an issue since you could take a snapshot before and reset it after < 1232306275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1232306280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1232306282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a ridiculously short free trial < 1232306287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're normally 30 days < 1232306293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, enough to decide "I hate this" < 1232306297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah but it's songsmiht < 1232306300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you do is sing then listen. < 1232306321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I told you about the free trial GPL program a while back, didn't I < 1232306323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was any good, 3 hours of listening to it (3 hours of singing in...) would be enough to decide, probably < 1232306324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really silly < 1232306332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what one was it? < 1232306335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a compiler < 1232306337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on gcc < 1232306345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well sounds familiar < 1232306347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just looked at the source, then replaced the licence manager with hello world < 1232306351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/fugue/src/hworld.mid < 1232306359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that < 1232306362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like it < 1232306362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232306366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it too < 1232306368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is music, not song? < 1232306372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't play mids, I have an ogg version lying around somewhere over here < 1232306374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't work in songsmith < 1232306380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you can put instruments in it too < 1232306380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can, I have hardware midi < 1232306383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tries to match it up < 1232306394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have software midi, it's pretty good apart from taking up 40% of my CPU < 1232306411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should put a fast & complex electric guitar solo in there and see what it does t o it < 1232306411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh, I wonder what will happen if you use, say "Spring" of Vivaldi as input < 1232306421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think it kills the program. < 1232306426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in an actual < 1232306426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life < 1232306427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing < 1232306430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way < 1232306436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think the result will kill anyone listening < 1232306439 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-145.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232306453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I lack a good soundfont < 1232306466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a340 is ok-ish as a soundfont < 1232306471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the piano really sucks < 1232306546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um? D-minor? < 1232306551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah none existing one I think < 1232306565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I quite like it, some atonality there too < 1232306570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't in any particular key < 1232306580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in fact automatically generated by a BF->Fugue compiler < 1232306589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was sufficiently nonportable that I believe it only runs on one computer < 1232306592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok for auto generated it isn't too bad < 1232306600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1232306612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a crazy story, actually < 1232306639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler involved lots of different langs, including C, Prelude, Visual Basic, and a couple I invented specifically for the purpose < 1232306648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm Fugue is massively concurrent isn't it? < 1232306658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual music entry was done by customizing the keyboard shortcuts of a proprietary MIDI editor < 1232306667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sending it keyboard events using VB's SendKeys < 1232306681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it isn't, it has a fixed number of threads which have to run in step < 1232306693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like having a lang where each command always does a large number of finite things < 1232306711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was the compiler gc? (Goldberg Compiler) < 1232306729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote everything in the chain myself, except the proprietary midi editor < 1232306744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why so complex < 1232306747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used to be pretty good at VB once, surprisingly < 1232306751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely use it nowadays < 1232306762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why so complex? because I didn't know how to generate MIDI by hand < 1232306776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. specs? < 1232306787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 my bignum kind of doesnt work :(((((((((((((((((((((((( < 1232306789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe this was long ago? < 1232306810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: post-2005 < 1232306812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ages ago < 1232306813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since fugue is 2005 < 1232306814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and specs of what? < 1232306819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, of midi format < 1232306823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some library for it < 1232306831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are any < 1232306835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how comes it isn't very concurrent? just play a chord? < 1232306835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastie.org/364042.txt?key=u3cqc6nuw91cp0cehfm5fg <-- the bui_mod_incr function doesn't work and I can't figure out why < 1232306844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is back when I didn't do any programming on Internet-connected computers < 1232306849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a few threads, one per tone? < 1232306851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not? < 1232306863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I had only public terminals for that < 1232306868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it isn't exactly a thread per tone < 1232306881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because multithreaded programs can have threads running at different rates, and doing control flow < 1232306891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when one line of music loops, every line loops, in Fugue < 1232306898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that's called, but it isn't multithreading < 1232306903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232306915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232306931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1232306948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway there are no loops in midi afaik < 1232306953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232306957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i export a loop it ends up being expanded < 1232306961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are loops in Fugue, though, because it's a programming language < 1232306968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying there are no loops in ASCII, so C can't have loops < 1232306978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, but how would you encode it in midi < 1232306988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a special note? < 1232306990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by using the loop-start and loop-end instructions < 1232307001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you encode loops in C by using while or for or goto < 1232307005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you ever do something like "play as it runs"? < 1232307012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that wouldn't be particularly interesting < 1232307024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1232307029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? it would include listening to the loops < 1232307031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would just get the bits inside the loops again and again < 1232307036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are only a few notes long < 1232307039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232307052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, due to the BF-like arithmetic the loops are going to be running around hundreds of times < 1232307057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's going to get on your nerves < 1232307081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh idea: "Variations of hello world", which should keep the same output (printing hello world a few times) but sound a little different each time < 1232307095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there were random numbers involved in the compiler < 1232307103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a second hello world in Fugue, but it isn't as good < 1232307129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also midi doesn't actually encode tempo? Just the length in ms or something < 1232307140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can the interpreter know what a fifth is or such < 1232307152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tempo has nothing to do with intervals < 1232307190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, MIDI itself isn't a file format, but a communications format < 1232307193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, quater note = 180 or quater note = 120 would end up different in midi, and iirc midi doesn't store any "metronome values" < 1232307204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: quarter notes have nothing to do with fifths, the interval < 1232307216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fifth goes up from C to G, or C# to G#, or D to A, and so on < 1232307219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? then I mentally mistranslate < 1232307222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232307224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should look at my bignum :-D < 1232307229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MIDI does store some metadata, such as the time signature < 1232307231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that would make more sense < 1232307252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why are you using goto? < 1232307262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, why no < 1232307262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1232307263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232307273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about the algorithm in terms of a goto, so that's how I wrote it < 1232307300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm looks correct < 1232307307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way does it fail? < 1232307318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cc -Wall -m64 -ansi bignum.c; ./a.out < 1232307318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232307319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551615 < 1232307321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232307324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the full output < 1232307325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1232307332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chops off everything after the length and then does nothing more o_O < 1232307401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something seriously wrong with that < 1232307407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the IRC server clipped a newline < 1232307412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a double-newline in the actual output? < 1232307513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ys < 1232307514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232307517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my client stripping that < 1232307520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1232307526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the last 1 :_) < 1232307528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232307541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy enough to explain < 1232307544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*m was 0 < 1232307547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you broke out of the loop < 1232307552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your print routine is incapable of printing a zero < 1232307552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1232307561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I forgot to make it account for the length-change < 1232307565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the null-termination < 1232307627 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232307666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how comes you are using a length instead of a zero terminated one? < 1232307677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I persuaded him to < 1232307678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ais523 argued with me about it and told me to. < 1232307683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1232307683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232307684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot faster for bignums < 1232307689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it fits what the architecture is doing < 1232307690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can imagine < 1232307705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add two numbers just with add/add-with-carry/add-with-carry, etc < 1232307715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in a simple for loop < 1232307726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, C doesn't have a portable add-with-carry instruction, but given that ehird's going for speed I'm sure he won't mind rewriting that bit in asm < 1232307737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not going for speed < 1232307740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've told you this 5000 times < 1232307740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh btw ehird, for is usually faster than while with GCC, since it can optimise it better < 1232307742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just for fun < 1232307748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err you said you were before < 1232307753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for the scheme impl < 1232307754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 100% sure you said so < 1232307756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just writing a bignum library for fun < 1232307758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, where does that rumour come from? < 1232307766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh the scheme one? < 1232307766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for and while translate to the same thing at the RTL level < 1232307770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does goto, for that matter < 1232307773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, the for faster than while thing < 1232307784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in I observed it myself, profiling. < 1232307788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewriting a loop can make it a lot faster < 1232307791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for that reason < 1232307795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example it managed to vectorise a for loop < 1232307807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while not the equivalent while loop < 1232307831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it managed to unroll some for loops but not the while loops < 1232307832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is no difference apart from scoping between for(a=0; a<64; a++) {foo; } and a=0; while(a<64) {foo; a++} < 1232307848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have no continue statements inside the loop < 1232307852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh, let him have his placebo! < 1232307854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I belive the loop I tried on were a bit more complex, one was CRC for example < 1232307856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure gcc unrolls while loops < 1232307891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232307892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551615 < 1232307892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232307894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18446744073709551615 < 1232307896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232307898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's an odd result... < 1232307900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be 2, 0, 1 < 1232307932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232307943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well why they does gcc not vectorise any while loops in my experiments < 1232307947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of for loops < 1232307949 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232307949 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232307952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using gcc 4.1.2 btw < 1232307955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it works < 1232307969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) < 1232307971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1232307971 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232307971 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232307972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int getchar(void); < 1232307974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i=getchar(); < 1232307975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int c=0; < 1232307977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(c<16) {i*=i; ++c;} < 1232307978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return i; < 1232307980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1232307981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that loop was unrolled at -O3 < 1232307984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into 16 multiply instructions < 1232307989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/364057.txt?key=zpbkykzrv0q9xax847rpbw < 1232308000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and vectorised with -ftree-vectorize or whatever it is called? < 1232308007 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308007 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe -fvectorize-tree < 1232308013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember < 1232308013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just with -O3 < 1232308020 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308020 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this computer does vectorisation < 1232308030 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try and see what happens < 1232308030 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc doesn't vectorize without -ftree-vectorize < 1232308047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, that loop won't vectorise for obvious reasons < 1232308050 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308050 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rewrite it as one that will < 1232308058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see also -ftree-vectorizer-verbose < 1232308060 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308060 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will tell you why it can/can't vectorise < 1232308073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ftree-vectorizer-verbose=7 < 1232308074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1232308097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some gcc versions segfault on that flag if too high, trying to print a null pointer < 1232308098 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308098 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed in trunk < 1232308117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :affects gcc 4.3 at least < 1232308123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-ftree-vectorise" < 1232308129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how old? < 1232308135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 3.x or what? < 1232308137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) 4.3.2 < 1232308141 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308141 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, spell it amercian < 1232308146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will help < 1232308149 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308149 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :american* < 1232308180 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308180 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it helped right? < 1232308193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232308196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with kar8nga's connection, this is getting irritating < 1232308224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not... < 1232308227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even noticed it < 1232308233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near moozilla levels yet < 1232308239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it didn't vectorise either the while or the for when I tested < 1232308240 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308240 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a lot more often < 1232308243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you see < 1232308249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, my brain just filters it out < 1232308250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.c:8: note: not vectorized: no vectype for stmt: D.1209_21 = i[c_44] scalar_type: int < 1232308253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ignore join/parts < 1232308261 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm irritated." "No you're not." < 1232308262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes they depend on each other I believe < 1232308265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also try -march < 1232308267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to correct < 1232308271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like something with sse < 1232308279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least mmx < 1232308288 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find ais523's lambda scoping example
< 1232308289 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308289 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do you recommend? < 1232308303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what cpu is it? < 1232308313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care, I'm not actually planning to run the program < 1232308317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compile to asm and read the asm < 1232308332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, -march=core2 then? < 1232308333 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308333 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, it vectorised both of them < 1232308363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway you can't vectorise that since all modify i < 1232308368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I rewrote the program < 1232308378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it did? doesn't with older gcc < 1232308382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1.2 that is < 1232308400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) { < 1232308402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int getchar(void), i[16], c; < 1232308403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c=0; while(c<16) {c[i]=getchar(); ++c;} < 1232308404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c=0; while(c<16) {c[i]*=c[i]; ++c;} < 1232308406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(c=0; c<16; ++c) {c[i]*=c[i];} < 1232308408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return i[getchar()]; < 1232308409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1232308414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at all surprised, because the while and the for loop are completely synonymous < 1232308424 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck could that for loop be vectorised? it includes a function call < 1232308441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the first one < 1232308447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops 2 and 3 are vectorised < 1232308448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232308450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are equivalent < 1232308450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread it < 1232308465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop 1 is just there to prevent gcc constant-folding < 1232308467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using user input < 1232308475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I apologise for the declarations line < 1232308482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's legal C, and good for brevity, but very confusing < 1232308488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL used it a lot before I fixed that sort of thing < 1232308505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fix"? < 1232308506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean break < 1232308512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, not really < 1232308520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing int getchar(void); inside a function is legal < 1232308521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int getchar(void), i[16], c; <-- function prototype and variables in one? < 1232308522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but confusing < 1232308524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1232308527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232308532 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, having written this silly lisp-bot, I think I'll try writing a serious one. < 1232308545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you didn't even know that you can declare library function prototypes inside a lexical scope < 1232308549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an insane thing to do < 1232308549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway using a volatile variable would have worked too < 1232308561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what I usually do < 1232308561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I doubt it, that would prevent the compiler vectorising < 1232308564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely? < 1232308564 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a volatile variable a variable that is capable of varying? < 1232308569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, depends on where < 1232308573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes for the first loop < 1232308576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for the rest? < 1232308579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if < 1232308581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it tells the compiler that the variable might change unpredictably without it knowing < 1232308588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile int src; < 1232308591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, because you've given a pointer to it to an interrupt handler or to some other program < 1232308593 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1232308594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c=0; while(c<16) {c[i]=src; ++c;} < 1232308604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would it affect the other loops? < 1232308614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: for instance, if you write volatile int i; i=1; i=2; < 1232308622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the compiler will store both 1 and 2 in memory where i is < 1232308633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because volatile tells it not to get rid of redundant reads and writes < 1232308643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes could be DMA or whatever < 1232308653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a memory mapped char output < 1232308656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a memory-mapped hardware register, I've used volatile for those before < 1232308663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes exactly < 1232308677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing volatile does is to tell the compiler to definitely not store the variable in a register < 1232308681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you wrote kernel stuff? < 1232308682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful when messing around with longjmp < 1232308688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: embedded stuff < 1232308691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232308691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no OS < 1232308700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232308713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile int eax __asm__("%eax"); < 1232308718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually works :-)) < 1232308740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually it may still have to put it in a register, but it need to load/store it before/after < 1232308752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some arches may not be able to operate on stuff not loaded in registers < 1232308759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it may need to do things via registers, yes < 1232308768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but volatile tells it to reread the value whenever it's needed < 1232308773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, I know that works < 1232308778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written such before, for another architecture < 1232308782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to AnMaster before < 1232308785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1232308786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/before/too/ < 1232308789 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308790 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, though I think add on x86 may take memory operands? < 1232308801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1232308806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also < 1232308807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does volatile int eax __asm__("%eax"); do? < 1232308808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're doing that < 1232308811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just write it as __asm__ < 1232308812 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232308812 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232308817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err that syntax is wrong < 1232308820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be < 1232308826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile int *eax __asm__("%eax"); < 1232308831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then *eax reads the eax register < 1232308837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *eax=...; sets it < 1232308842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on x86) < 1232308845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232308847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, but what does volatile for it mean? that it may not be stored in a register? < 1232308859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, %eax changes all the freaking time < 1232308865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes true < 1232308865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just telling gcc to not try and be clever with it... < 1232308871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232308884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the "must not store in a register" bit is confusing though < 1232308886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's telling gcc that %eax might change when it does something that doesn't obviously change the variable < 1232308895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232308937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it obviously ignore the bit about the "not store in a register", I bet that it won't work with longjmp < 1232308953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, could you pass this pointer around? < 1232308963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232308965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cast the pointer to an int? < 1232308965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no < 1232308967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't a pointer < 1232308970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it is < 1232308975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int *eax means that eax stores an int* < 1232308975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like that though < 1232308975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile int *eax __asm__("%eax"); < 1232308988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that you can do &eax and get a sensible value < 1232308995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable has a pointer type, but it can't be pointed to < 1232308998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232308999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1232309010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course it can't work like that in the machine code < 1232309015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1232309024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory mapped CPU registers would be fun < 1232309033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GCC info pages say "5.40.2 Specifying Registers for Local Variables -- You can define a local register variable with a specified register like this: register int *foo asm ("a5");". < 1232309044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of register mapped memory before < 1232309051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that an overloading of "register", fizzie? < 1232309054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other way around, no < 1232309086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, wouldn't using "volatile int *eax __asm__("foo")" be an overloading of volatile? < 1232309094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I think that means that the register will be reserved for that variable < 1232309105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no? < 1232309116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which isn't same as "lets see what is in this register anyway" < 1232309155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the only sort of "explicit register names for variables" I could find in GCC docs with a quick glance. < 1232309179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but as far as I know the meaning is quite different < 1232309227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't reserve the register for that value except for where it's live, but I guess it is a bit different. < 1232309276 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232309302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't find in the docs any references to "here's how you declare a variable which will read whatever eax is, but not reserve eax if you store something in it". < 1232309328 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puff of cream. < 1232309329 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232309340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's not done via a variable, I think < 1232309353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to give an asm command with a constraint to read eax without reserving it < 1232309373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if you do that, there's quite a chance that the compiler will put the variable you're trying to copy to in eax, to save a command < 1232309435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, if that's the case, I don't see how that "volatile int *eax" thing is different. It sounds like it would just tell GCC to explicitly use the eax register for storing values stored in that variable. < 1232309456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you didn't do that then volatile makes no sense since it wouldn't change < 1232309474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the question is, really, what exactly are you trying to do? < 1232309495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand what you are speaking of. :p < 1232309521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what that "volatile int *eax" was all about, since the only similar form I'm aware of is the "register int *eax asm("eax");" thing. < 1232309539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, doing it with register is more common IIRC < 1232309543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that's the form I saw < 1232309545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. ok < 1232309575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make a lot more sense < 1232310587 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310587 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310610 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310610 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310669 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310669 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310686 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310686 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310704 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310704 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310743 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310743 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310800 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310800 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310839 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310839 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310858 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310858 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310899 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310899 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310916 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310916 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310964 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310964 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232310981 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232310981 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311009 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311009 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311044 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311044 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311082 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1232311090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's about 2/3 of a screenful of quitjoin spam < 1232311102 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311102 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311108 0 :flexo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it depends on your screensize < 1232311140 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311141 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1, says i < 1232311155 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311155 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311189 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311189 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a screenful now, with only 4 lines interrupting it < 1232311222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, banning someone for unintentional quitjoin spam is too much, I think < 1232311229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we reverse-ban kar8nga? < 1232311233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stop them parting? < 1232311235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also stop the spam < 1232311271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not part, it's quit < 1232311277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, stop them quitting too < 1232311296 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311296 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ais523 -----###
< 1232311305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1232311314 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311314 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311328 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311328 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would swat kar8nga, but he isn't here long enough at a time < 1232311347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of that Hotel California song. "You can /quit any time you like / but you can never leave." < 1232311353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse-banning, that is. < 1232311370 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311370 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311435 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311435 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I do a five-minute ban, his/her client will not try to rejoin after failing once. < 1232311477 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-35.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232311477 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232311485 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o fizzie < 1232311503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b kar8nga!*@* < 1232311526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shock! < 1232311528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual op powers! < 1232311532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never do this again :-P < 1232311550 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is all powerful < 1232311554 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow to him! < 1232311555 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1232311559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is op-striken
< 1232311559 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1232311561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stricken < 1232311568 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chicken < 1232311569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: how did you end up with the nick "join", anyway? < 1232311569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1232311571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op me! < 1232311581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you know how badly that went last time... < 1232311582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thicken < 1232311591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I wrote a bot to keep me an op :D < 1232311594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : You know when your nick is registered and you connect the server? < 1232311597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lament de-opped it :'( < 1232311604 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It puts "/nick" as your default line < 1232311609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232311616 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I entered /join #esoteric < 1232311619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in that case I'm doubly-shocked that nobody has taken join yet < 1232311621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, mine doesn't < 1232311623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just tries ais523_ < 1232311625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ais523__ < 1232311631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then prompts, I think, in a dialog box < 1232311633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b kar8nga!*@* < 1232311635 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different, ais523 < 1232311642 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I actually stay Slereah < 1232311655 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Freenode doesn't actually enforce registered nickls < 1232311659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just joining with a nick registered by someone else < 1232311665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Freenode does, but only on request from the nick's owner < 1232311676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell NickServ to enforce your nick, but hardly anyone ever does < 1232311689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o fizzie < 1232311693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moot < 1232311696 0 :moot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232311698 0 :moot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow! < 1232311709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go away, little girl < 1232311710 0 :moot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, moot is actually registered! < 1232311716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you deopped fizzie? What did they do wrong? < 1232311720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a moot question < 1232311727 0 :moot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1232311736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /me recalls deopping AnMaster in #ESO because he opped me without first asking for permission from an op < 1232311744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Senseless banning of poor, defenseless kar8nga. < 1232312624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It puts "/nick" as your default line <-- what client? < 1232312627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine never does that < 1232312658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC < 1232312659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1232312663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232312668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC, yeah < 1232312671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mIRC is actually a good IRC client, despite being Windows software) < 1232312700 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use Insurgent Sysreset, if you're an /i/nsurgent :D < 1232312734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:05 Error(404): #twitter Your message is 142 characters long. Your message was not sent. < 1232312741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid artificial restrictions < 1232312752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION registers the nick join btw
< 1232312759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1232312761 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you < 1232312761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very nice < 1232312764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Slereah's < 1232312771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, he forgot to register it < 1232312775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1232312777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still jackassy < 1232312784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needed to register it < 1232312791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let Slereah, then < 1232312794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I waited several hours < 1232312800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he didn't register it < 1232312800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't Slereah's nick really, Slereah made it clear that it was by accident < 1232312802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without telling him you were going to. < 1232312804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so his own fault < 1232312807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232312810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an ass. < 1232312811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and? < 1232312815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm not you are < 1232312820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you took otpbot < 1232312823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without telling me < 1232312829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...otpbot was my name. < 1232312835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it was mine, I wanted it < 1232312840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even realise there was an otpbot < 1232312841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same logic sorry < 1232312846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there isn't < 1232312847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with otpbot _before_ you did. < 1232312850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used optbot < 1232312851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end < 1232312855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So only "same logic" if you're an idiot. < 1232312858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second. < 1232312862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wanted it for otpbot as in Erlang/OTP < 1232312896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:05 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- 1 failed login since Jan 18 21:05:10 2009. < 1232312896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:05 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last failed attempt from: Cats!n=92825d6c@Pantheon.Kanotix.com on Jan 13 18:10:37 2009. < 1232312898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232312905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that tusho and ehird are different people according to NickServ
< 1232312911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:07 but I wanted it for otpbot as in Erlang/OTP < 1232312915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanted it _afterwards_ < 1232312915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh yes I own that nick, used it for a AYB joke) < 1232312924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you only regisered join because you saw Slereah using it < 1232312925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had plans long before < 1232312932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh. < 1232312945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as verifiable as when i claimed I came up with the name cfunge first, AnMaster < 1232312946 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232312959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh you admit then? < 1232312963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1232312965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232312976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, jackass < 1232313053 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank goodness, VIP is here to guide you in these troubled times : < 1232313054 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers7/Take%20it%20easy.jpg < 1232313077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not angry when I call people asses. < 1232313088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting angry over assholes would be counterproductive < 1232313123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tell me, why are you so fond of donkeys? < 1232313135 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of their huge penises < 1232313136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1232313139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations. you are the 1 billionth person to make that joke, AnMaster. < 1232313146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win £-100. pay up. < 1232313153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alas no < 1232313168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm the 1 billionth + 1 person < 1232313181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x'DDDDD < 1232313183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed that one over there >> < 1232313189 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR? < 1232313197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, no, in the other room < 1232313197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about making a map of UseNet
< 1232313199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Usenet < 1232313201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait, now it points at fizzie < 1232313203 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :QwertUiop < 1232313212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: indecisive asses are the worst. < 1232313214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, we know that comp.lang.c++ is two rooms down the corridor on the left from comp.lang.c < 1232313216 0 :QwertUiop!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo2 < 1232313223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be enough of those references to draw a map of the whole thing < 1232313235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wut? < 1232313242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what like alt.porn alt.porn.makes.no.sense (I forgot the details, it was something like alt.bin.whatever.sex-something.clinton iirc) < 1232313244 0 :MigoMipo2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1232313249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what this usenet is everyone keeps referring to :P
< 1232313252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1232313263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you've never heard of usenet? < 1232313264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is where you use the internet < 1232313272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, tons of times. < 1232313277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, alt.bin.pic.sex.parachute or such < 1232313282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to go to usenet, because the first French furry group was thar :o < 1232313283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people keep referring to it < 1232313291 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is pretty much shit, though < 1232313291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, make whatever sense you want of that < 1232313293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you know how to access it? < 1232313296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't check what it was < 1232313299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1232313303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: alt.binaries., surely? < 1232313305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come most /b/tards are furries? < 1232313307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes maybe < 1232313308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypocrites :-P < 1232313312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't use usenet a lot < 1232313316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can view it via groups.google.com < 1232313321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a look at alt.lang.intercal some time < 1232313323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not the binaries < 1232313325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1232313327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the esolang group, but it isn't very active < 1232313327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1232313329 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Remember the credo! < 1232313341 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers/1167175439619.gif < 1232313363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is the last bastion of the True Spirit of the Internet < 1232313373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there was that terrible accident where it got stuck in September 2003 < 1232313379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1993 < 1232313382 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the true spirit of the internet, ais523? < 1232313391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: being able to talk to other people about anything you want < 1232313395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without problems < 1232313400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "problems" < 1232313414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems != flamewars < 1232313416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232313422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you get flamewars on Usenet too < 1232313427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1232313430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody can be blocked from it, pretty much < 1232313452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main tool for debate de-escalation there is the equivalent of /ignore < 1232313457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like what someone's saying, ignore them < 1232313460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw, if you have ipv6, xs4all provides a good usenet read only server, very fast and very complete. Doesn't filter binary channels either. And it is at least available to users of the SixXS tunnel < 1232313461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talk to the people you do like < 1232313463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about other ipv6 < 1232313474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Alt.tasteless < 1232313475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't, the computer's fine but the network here can't handle it < 1232313482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tunnel? < 1232313483 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hello there, I am internet of the past. < 1232313490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I use... < 1232313554 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1993, alt.tasteless members orchestrated one of the first forum invasions, in which rec.pets.cats (a newsgroup for cat-lovers) was mercilessly trolled." < 1232313569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before or after september/ < 1232313575 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of august :D < 1232313623 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232313640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, where does it say that? < 1232313684 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a link to the thread : http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tasteless/browse_thread/thread/3f265cf9ef49d3e1 < 1232313705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, doesn't work for me, it refuses even when I click the 'yes i'm sure' button < 1232313715 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you are underaged < 1232313717 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noti boy < 1232313722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google have been doing a lot of archiving of Usenet < 1232313722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I'm not. < 1232313733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even bought up all the Usenet archives from before they started < 1232313736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not entirely sure why < 1232313741 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232313746 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232313753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... deja.com still redirects to groups.google.com, after all this time < 1232313766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja.com? < 1232313770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf would that be < 1232313773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Usenet archivers < 1232313776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232313779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got bought out by Google < 1232313792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well how much would the domain cost google? relatively speaking < 1232313799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't like they would notice < 1232313805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got the domain free with the company < 1232313810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they may as well maintain it, I suppose < 1232313814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well they have to renew it < 1232313818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone still wants to visit Deja's archives for some reason < 1232313837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in case someone also got stuck in September 1993 and has only just come out of their coma < 1232313837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I hope links still work < 1232313842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :permanent url you know < 1232313911 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Meow_Wars < 1232313912 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232314018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you linking to that horrible site all the time < 1232314038 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must face your demons, AnMaster < 1232314046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, ? < 1232314052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a quote from something < 1232314084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232314120 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stock movie quote, AnMaster < 1232314128 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a quote of anything in particular < 1232314156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232314159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1232314165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that reminds me < 1232314178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks if there has been a new beta of that open source game yet
< 1232314194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!, no activity for several months before, finally a new beta < 1232314239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.... < 1232314243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is no beta... < 1232314252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a 1.0 release! < 1232314252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232314292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is sad that the first association for any sentence of "that is no X" is the "that is no moon" thing. < 1232314305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was intentional < 1232314317 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232314319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which game? < 1232314331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, blob wars: blob and conquer < 1232314336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs 3D acceleration < 1232314341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty ridiculous name... < 1232314349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, but quite playable IMO < 1232314356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what genre? < 1232314379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well previous one was jump and run with guns. This one is third person shooter 3D < 1232314391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I don't generally play shooter games < 1232314400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and well if I played table top RPGs I would play Toons < 1232314401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play platform games a bit, but rarely do nowadays < 1232314414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saving to: `download.php?proj=blobAndConquer&file=blobAndConquer-1.05-1.tar.gz&type=zip' < 1232314416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1232314423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a filename < 1232314433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232314454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of the dontcountme=s that used to be at the end of URLs on Wikipedia < 1232314464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? I never seen that < 1232314467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what was it for < 1232314467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid triggering the page counters, which ignored URLs ending in s because they thought it was js or css < 1232314480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't on the actual pages, but on things that were XHRed via scripts < 1232314481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err < 1232314493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have better counters now < 1232314497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on sampling the HTTP logs < 1232314516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and JS which loads images a small percentage of the time, to avoid Wikipedia DDOSing its own servers < 1232314524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh that reminds me... the main.css is included as main.css?164 < 1232314525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I look < 1232314528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a wiki I run < 1232314531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why? < 1232314535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an anti-cache-problems tool < 1232314537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since main.css is a static file < 1232314548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err I like clients to cache it < 1232314550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be static, but it can be changed by upgrades < 1232314552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is using a lot of my bw < 1232314556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clients are told to cache it aggressively < 1232314564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it changes across an upgrade, the 164 changes to 165 < 1232314565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232314567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clients will get a new copy < 1232314571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232314578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the caching information is hidden in the URL < 1232314581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively < 1232314586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also where are they told to cache it aggressively? < 1232314593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the HTTP headers, I think < 1232314596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is a static file < 1232314601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would depend on server setup < 1232314609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it dose < 1232314611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1232314614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it is shared hosting I have no control over that < 1232314619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but remember that MediaWiki was invented for Wikimedia, who do have control over that < 1232314622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I see anything in mediawiki manual < 1232314632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it can be done in .htaccess < 1232314683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also ehird was surprised the supertux site had around 15k hits on images *per day* < 1232314690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know of that game < 1232314706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've vaguely heard of it, but no more than that < 1232314710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even know what it's about < 1232314713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name strongly suggests Linux < 1232314718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, super mario style < 1232314790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'm a developer on it. I talked to him about image hits because I was implementing anti-hotlinking since that was using quite some bw < 1232314814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on referrer? < 1232314853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and no blocking if empty referrer of course < 1232314858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and allowing google image search and so on < 1232314923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some people were linking screen shots, full size and then scaling it down to thumbnail in tag < 1232314941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and wasting their reader's bandwidth as well as yours < 1232314949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your anti-hotlink image? < 1232314972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a gif animation :D < 1232314974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me link it < 1232314987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh dear < 1232314992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I want to look at it < 1232314992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://supertux.lethargik.org/errors/img/nohot.gif < 1232314995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you describe it? < 1232315006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, too slow to cause epilepsy < 1232315008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha awesome < 1232315010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only text < 1232315015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say? < 1232315028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please don't hotlink\nimages from this site" < 1232315033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple enough < 1232315039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why the animation? < 1232315044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, check it out < 1232315056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not shock pic < 1232315057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1232315066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it won't cause epilepsy, it is too slow for that < 1232315092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well? < 1232315104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's just such a pain for me to load images from IRC < 1232315115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... < 1232315117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I don't see the animation < 1232315118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried < 1232315121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just copy and paste to the browser < 1232315123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my photo viewer prorgams don't show it < 1232315124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it inverts < 1232315138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the colour scheme either, but I suppose that's the point < 1232315140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in text and bg colors change place < 1232315146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every 5000 ms or something < 1232315157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 500* < 1232315157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like every second < 1232315159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1232315167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 500 < 1232315171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I remember it was 5 and some zero < 1232315173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeros* < 1232315209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also gimp will show both as layers < 1232315211 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232315259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely: "This game contains scenes of gore"* (* which can be switched off) < 1232315298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreal tournament allows you to turn off the gore < 1232315303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in case you're a kid playing it or something :| < 1232315357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : why are you linking to that horrible site all the time < 1232315362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ED is useful for internet culture. < 1232315402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish it wasn't written in it < 1232315424 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you writing in that horrible language all the time? < 1232315432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, ? < 1232315439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? FireFly: lol < 1232315457 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for others esolangs are pretty horrible.. I guess it's the same with ED < 1232315459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: which lang are you thinking of? < 1232315467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1232315481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wish it wasn't written in it < 1232315484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have this in coherent form < 1232315486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, basically ED is written in /b/tard style a lot of the time. I mean compare the language used if wikipedia would discuss "lol" and if ED would. < 1232315496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at the articles < 1232315508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I WISH AN INTERNET CULTURE COMPENDIUM DIDN'T TALK IN AN INTERNET CULTURE-RELATED STYLE" < 1232315521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ED is useful for internet culture. wish it {ed} wasn't written in it {the style of that} < 1232315530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. < 1232315533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard. < 1232315543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also all the shock pics < 1232315555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. all the vast expanses of them. < 1232315566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Wikipedia has an article on lol
< 1232315568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess yes < 1232315574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it redirects to internet slang < 1232315579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1232315586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although teh gets its own article, IIRC < 1232315589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, most non-nsfw-related ED articlse are sfw. Well, not safe for owrk but not offensive. < 1232315598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that should redirect to "the" < 1232315602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it doesn't < 1232315608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's a disambig header < 1232315609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I didn't say it did < 1232315612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=teh < 1232315615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it *should* < 1232315616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typo has enough of its life to deserve an article, AnMaster < 1232315620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word has too much of its own culture < 1232315630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Not notable! < 1232315632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your own view of the way Things Should Be does not mean wikipedia shouldn't reflect reality < 1232315637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, very notable < 1232315640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean to say is, "I dislike it" < 1232315640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it has an image now < 1232315659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Missing reliable sources! Reads as advertisement! Is missing references! < 1232315666 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A typo on a poster." < 1232315678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also no < 1232315689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just imitating the style of wp < 1232315706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely convinced the image adds to the article < 1232315716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or that it is true < 1232315727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it's reasonably common to drop a random vaguely-relevant image into an article in the hope of meeting GA criteria < 1232315750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This image is of a poster, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher or the creator of the work depicted. It is believed that the use of scaled-down, low-resolution images of posters " <-- um, so you can't take a pic of a cityscape containing any posters? < 1232315754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fscked < 1232315779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is public space < 1232315806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it depends on what it's a picture of < 1232315812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which jurisdiction, and all sorts of things < 1232315820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like how much of the image it covers? < 1232315823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't, say, take a photo of an advert and crop out the logo of the advertiser < 1232315836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright law is really complex and confusing < 1232315862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the general reasoning is to, on Wikipedia, avoid images which contain even a small amount of copyvio stuff, unless it's covered by fair use < 1232315872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because purely free-licensed images are fine < 1232315876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "purpose of use" field in the fair use rationale blob: "The spelling error in the image is unique and it depictures the Teh article's subject." < 1232315883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is an unique spelling error. < 1232315896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a free-licensed image which depends on fair use for a few pixels is more debatable < 1232315905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are ways in which it can't be modified < 1232315916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's your opinion on "a unique" vs. "an unique"? < 1232315925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unique... < 1232315933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally use "a unique", because the pronunciation of "unique" starts with a consonant, even though the word itself doesn't < 1232315946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unique is incorrect, i've never heard anyone say that < 1232315954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it quite a bit < 1232315989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinon is that I shouldn't have an opinion, being so very non-native speaker. And I would write it as "a unique", it's just that I caught myself only after the newline. < 1232315997 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232316090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a unique" < 1232316152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i want oklotalk - - bot ;-) < 1232316155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in here ;-) < 1232316157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight ;-) < 1232316158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now ;-) < 1232316167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the Finnish pronunciation where 'u' always sounds the same, and is always a vowel. < 1232316168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably written in something stupid < 1232316172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232316175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already exists < 1232316175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1232316191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: most languages are more logical than English < 1232316193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IRC IRC IRC < 1232316194 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IRC IRC IRC | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why English does so well... < 1232316201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you like our auto-topic-setting? < 1232316207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very much < 1232316218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the work of mizardx and I :D < 1232316223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IRC IRC IRC | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if bsmnt_bot will add another
< 1232316235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything if the logs are already in the topic < 1232316237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparantly not, though < 1232316243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have made for a really amusing botloop < 1232316243 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232316245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric ** so you can do arty things like this < 1232316252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: we taught bsmnt_bot to do this: < 1232316253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1232316254 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aaaaaaa | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316261 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232316262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: your bot has found itself a new usefulness < 1232316267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Test < 1232316267 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1232316268 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aaaaaaa | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/penis < 1232316286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... we'll have to dig the BF-in-bsmnt_bot out of the logs < 1232316286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for useful < 1232316293 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ aren't you glad you don't use a tinyurl one? < 1232316303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: ? < 1232316308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy, but all the whitespace got corrupted < 1232316316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think there's a way to automatically reconstruct it < 1232316317 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone could always append to it and hijack it < 1232316328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, incidentally, is what caused my hatred of Python < 1232316329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: ... what? < 1232316348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ < 1232316348 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unsurprisingly, Python is not optimized for entering code over IRC. < 1232316354 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g if you had tinyurl.com/esolog and someone managed to take /esologs for something then yeah < 1232316358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy I know. < 1232316363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: how about they could just change the topic... < 1232316382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a(:^)*S):^ < 1232316383 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ < 1232316384 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were a bot? < 1232316390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: what? < 1232316397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf ,[.,]!Test < 1232316410 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a bot to autoappend some crap? < 1232316422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we kick it. < 1232316458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>]!>,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316458 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1232316482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[.>,]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>]!>,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316483 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>]!>,[>,.]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[.>,]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>]!>,[.>,]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[.>,]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>]!>,[.>,]<[<]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] < 1232316492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1232316500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's cheating, really < 1232316631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would have made for a really amusing botloop3 <-- happened yesterday < 1232316637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before they had it working < 1232316651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think the point here was that since you can add any suffix to the log URL, if the bot it set to keep "tinyurl/foo" in the topic always it fails if someone gets "tinyurl/foobar" and sets that as the topic, without the bot adding the real URL. If you "just change the topic" you won't get rid of the real log URL. < 1232316668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1232316674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares, it's just for setting the topic easily < 1232316740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ could have a auto-append/prepend channel variables for that; there are 'topicappend' and 'topicprepend' commands, after all. < 1232316771 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo < 1232316772 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316774 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316778 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316779 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh... again < 1232316781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232316782 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1232316786 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX < 1232316789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you eff with it :P < 1232316791 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~raw QUIT < 1232316796 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232316796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("QUIT") < 1232316800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("QUIT") < 1232316801 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/foo | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes. < 1232316802 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o fizzie < 1232316803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+t < 1232316804 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-t < 1232316807 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232316809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it'll stop < 1232316810 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232316810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1232316827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, +t would've been quicker, maybe. Except that chanserv removed it since it's in the mlock. < 1232316835 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232316839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intereseting to have a channel mlocked at -t < 1232316842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interesting < 1232316847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... come back, bsmnt_bot < 1232316849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232316860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... shit < 1232316882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can i call you overlord while you're op? < 1232316899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You can call me overlord whenever you want, I don't mind. < 1232316901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ < 1232316913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'll keep that in mind. < 1232316923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to test that chanserv topicprepend thing, I want to see if it adds a separator or something. < 1232316941 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :fancy! | (a(:^)*S):^ < 1232316943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots are always the correct solution < 1232316948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aa < 1232316952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failure < 1232316953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, yes, it added that | there. < 1232316999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an auto-append, though. I'm not sure what it is for, really. < 1232317063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: changing the topic when you aren't opped and the channel is +t < 1232317079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess there's that. < 1232317094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, who wants to fix bsmnt_bot < 1232317098 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not i < 1232317107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1232317110 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a irc bot wrapper in awk < 1232317112 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232317115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232317211 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232317308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, interesting typo: "/frop gizzie" < 1232317311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o fizzie < 1232317330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232317339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your hand was too far to the right < 1232317350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1232317354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why this < 1232317365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean how hard could it be < 1232317374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232317384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe my keyboard was just too far to the left. It's not always my fault! < 1232317385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!substr(topic, "http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric") topic += "| http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric" < 1232317386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1232317388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a space too < 1232317395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because we have to write it one line in python < 1232317401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's easy enough < 1232317402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, MizardX effed up the disconnection logic < 1232317407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232317407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sitting there using up cycles < 1232317410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of reconnecting < 1232317421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kill it and restart it clean? < 1232317429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well k < 1232317435 0 :bsmntbombdood__!n=foo@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232317440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the exec("""if !substr(topic, "http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric"):\n topic += "| http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric"\n""") trick < 1232317451 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is the best irc client EVAR < 1232317454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I wrote the BF interp in the first place < 1232317465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dc the reverse-polish-notation calculator? < 1232317473 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232317487 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to say nc < 1232317492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bsmntbombdood__ < 1232317496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you start bsmnt_bot again < 1232317501 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run start.sh < 1232317502 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232317508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that start the chroot < 1232317515 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1232317530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yep < 1232317547 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232317637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have in my logs a whitespace-fixed version of that bsmnt_bot brainfuck. Will test. < 1232317653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" < 1232317666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)" < 1232317673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) < 1232317674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is bf1-2 < 1232317679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. < 1232317679 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1232317686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1232317686 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232317692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf +++++++++++++++++++. < 1232317692 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232317701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, who wants to make it \nQUIT? :P < 1232317707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can easily do that with ~exec < 1232317708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1232317709 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1232317712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, someone make the callbacks persist < 1232317715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its irritating having them not < 1232317743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, one-line non-lambda based Python is really weird to read < 1232317746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when I wrote it... < 1232317752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those varying amounts of spaces < 1232317764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks this is the only legitimate use-case they've ever seen for one-space indentation
< 1232317845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bsmnt_bot needs is bracism < 1232317857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def bfarg(x,y): { p = y.group(2); ... } < 1232317920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what a Python purist would say if they were watching this discussion
< 1232317930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just start with from __future__ import braces; ? < 1232317939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it worked quickly enough, you wouldn't even need the newline after it < 1232317945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a semicolon < 1232317962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232317970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pythoners are generally an assholish lot. < 1232317975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are Schemers. < 1232317984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Lispers in general; #lisp is awful. < 1232318018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ACME::Pythonic; requires the one last semicolon after the statement, unfortunately < 1232318023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need any semicolons from then on < 1232318043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bracism is a nice little hack. I think I will now reimplement it. < 1232318047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Pythoners are generally an assholish lot. So are Schemers. And Lispers in general; #lisp is awful. <-- what about perlers? < 1232318061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed the less sane the language is the nicer the people are in the support channels < 1232318063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Perlers are bathshit insane, but very friendly, apart from in #perl, where they keep the assholes. < 1232318077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and the INTERCAL support channel is very friendl < 1232318079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1232318082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's mostly just me < 1232318082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we are all insane in here < 1232318089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very friendly 99% of the time < 1232318099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, #esoteric is the nicest channel on IRC. < 1232318106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell is about equal, though. < 1232318111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you missed some awful puns I made today < 1232318113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that says something about Haskell. < 1232318121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1232318136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep, I think Haskell is pretty insane too by common-language standards < 1232318141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but insane in a "wow, that's so elegant" way < 1232318154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is pretty esoteric, too. < 1232318154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, but lisp is kind of like that too IMO < 1232318155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1232318159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1232318163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins #vhdl, to see what they're like
< 1232318164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp is kind of unelegant. < 1232318168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell us < 1232318170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inelegant < 1232318172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it seems to be a mostly idle channel < 1232318173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true < 1232318179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, elisp vs. clisp < 1232318181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worst? < 1232318182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ask a question to see how they react < 1232318185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: elisp < 1232318187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Verilog questions possibly answered but only if we get a cookie (Remillard will answer Verilog questions for a Chipotle burrito.) " < 1232318189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds friendly < 1232318190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232318203 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong < 1232318245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: elisp is _dynamically scoped_ < 1232318248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard to beat. < 1232318257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, but isn't bf too= < 1232318257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232318260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've asked a question which is "I'm doing insane thing X, what should I do instead?" < 1232318263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it got no scope < 1232318283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is this insane thing? < 1232318294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using a for loop with one iteration to define a temporary variable < 1232318301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh < 1232318356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A colon followed by whitespace followed by { opens a new block, unless we're in a {} block that wasn't a bracism block < 1232318360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to allow {'foo': {...}}) < 1232318373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} ends a block if we're in a block and not a {} that isn't a block. < 1232318378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; is newline-and-indent. < 1232318381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1232318384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in what language? < 1232318390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python. < 1232318393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for writing one-line python. < 1232318396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the source filter < 1232318398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232318400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a library < 1232318402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1232318403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bot in here used to have it < 1232318405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one I wrote < 1232318406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1232318411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great for irc < 1232318428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic rule is { is newline and increase indentation, } is newline and decrease indentation, ; is newline and maintain indentation < 1232318429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should be < 1232318434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1232318436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to detect when those characters are used for other things < 1232318438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to deal with dictionaries < 1232318440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are {...} < 1232318446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and semicolons inside strings? < 1232318450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232318451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, Python is easy to parse < 1232318452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my above rules < 1232318453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc irc.freenode.net 6667 < /tmp/fifo | command > /tmp/fifo < 1232318456 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't that working? < 1232318456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have to parse it much < 1232318461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dunno :-D < 1232318472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, simple < 1232318479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, ETOOLITTLEINFO < 1232318482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232318491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, bracism parsing is more complex than a regex. < 1232318495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: there's an option to nc to do that automatically < 1232318509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would recommend socat < 1232318509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc irc.freenode.net 6667 -e 'command', IIRC < 1232318518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't that listen? < 1232318527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, you would recommend socat. < 1232318533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a reason why you are unhelpful < 1232318535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is wrong with socat!? < 1232318539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me < 1232318543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I may have used the wrong option < 1232318548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How can I do X with this tool?" < 1232318550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use another tool" < 1232318556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> very unhelpful unless all other situations have been covered. < 1232318601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm going to declare #vhdl Helpful and Not At All Snarky < 1232318622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it gets the coveted HNAAS award. < 1232318622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is VHDL, I mean, good? < 1232318629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it sucky < 1232318634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a language which is good for what it's designed for < 1232318636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, kragen sitaker < 1232318639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy gets everywhere < 1232318647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if inspired slightly (well, far) too much by ADA < 1232318663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to get used to writing lots of boilerplate to write VHDL < 1232318668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but luckily Emacs has it all memorised < 1232318684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'd better go home now, or I'll never get any work done < 1232318687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1232318691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone < 1232318693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232318737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't work < 1232318738 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1232318927 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1312016 < 1232318946 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does work when it is run with nc -e < 1232318962 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/does/does not/ < 1232318966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232318969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232319017 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232319088 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232319094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the bracism bot < 1232319095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1232319095 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl: cdecl < 1232319095 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: help < 1232319095 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: karma karma+ karma- < 1232319095 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta: load reload unload < 1232319095 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: python < 1232319100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help karma < 1232319101 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: karma karma+ karma- < 1232319104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help karma+ < 1232319104 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No plugin called karma+. < 1232319104 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnboundLocalError: local variable 'plugin' referenced before assignment < 1232319108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail :D < 1232319111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ehird < 1232319111 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1232319113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ ehird < 1232319113 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change your own karma, silly. < 1232319116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ seabot < 1232319117 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot's karma raised to 2. < 1232319118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma seabot < 1232319119 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot has a karma of 2 < 1232319122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python 2+2 < 1232319123 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1232319128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python if 1 == 2: { print "nooo" } < 1232319133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python if 1 == 1: { print "nooo" } < 1232319133 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1232319140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster, or whoever < 1232319144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issmyoldbot :D < 1232319153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl int (*)(int *) < 1232319154 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1232319156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232319159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl int < 1232319159 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1232319162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232319163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl int a; < 1232319164 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare a as int < 1232319169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl int (*a)(int *); < 1232319170 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare a as pointer to function (pointer to int) returning int < 1232319211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issnitsocute:D < 1232319257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python a= 2 < 1232319259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python a < 1232319260 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232319265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.ehird < 1232319265 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232319269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.ehird['a'] < 1232319269 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232319272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.ehird['a'] = 2 < 1232319281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait wat < 1232319292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.foo < 1232319292 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeyError: 'foo' < 1232319295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.seabot < 1232319295 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeyError: 'seabot' < 1232319300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster, do @python a= 2 < 1232319316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232319320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python a= 2 < 1232319321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you do it < 1232319323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232319326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.oklopol < 1232319326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it < 1232319326 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232319328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.oklopol['a'] < 1232319328 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232319330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.oklopol['a'] = 7 < 1232319333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python users.oklopol['a'] < 1232319333 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1232319334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232319335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D::::::: < 1232319338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't meant to wokrk < 1232319351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN HAS MY OWN LIST HUH < 1232319357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot? < 1232319359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that one < 1232319362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1232319369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: seabot is my old bot, it has bracism < 1232319370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots do we hacve < 1232319372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have* < 1232319378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a={users.oklopol["a"]} < 1232319381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python a={users.oklopol["a"]} < 1232319382 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) < 1232319390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python def hello(a): { print "yo"; return a }; print hello("aa") < 1232319390 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 5) < 1232319393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232319393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT < 1232319394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... < 1232319403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python a=[users.oklopol["a"]] < 1232319405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a bug in bracism?????? < 1232319406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what i meant < 1232319410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python def hello(a):{ print "yo"; return a }; print hello("aa") < 1232319410 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 5) < 1232319412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D::::::::::::: < 1232319419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my fingers i think. < 1232319424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err oh < 1232319566 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it work :( < 1232319669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: because butt < 1232319670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232319868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, bsmnt_bot has dc < 1232319875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec bot.run('ls','usr/bin') < 1232319875 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :['dc', 'nice', 'python2.4', 'wget'] < 1232319885 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my dc < 1232319886 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232319912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232320007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better cuz i wrote it < 1232320020 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232320360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About that awk thing, my guess is there's some sort of buffering nastiness going on. When I run "awk -f test.awk < from-irc.fifo > to-irc.fifo" here, then start a "cat > from-irc.fifo" and a "cat to-irc.fifo", nothing appears no matter what I write into the "cat > from-irc.fifo" terminal, except when I ^d it, at which point the nick/user/join lines finally appear in "cat to-irc.fifo". < 1232320443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sound probably < 1232320444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232320449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attach gdb to awk < 1232320452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I feed enough (a couple of rather large screenfuls) of stuff into the "cat > from-irc.fifo" terminal, awk replies in "cat to-irc.fifo". So I guess awk is reading the fifo with the usual few-kilobyte buffer. < 1232320456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add calls to set non-buffered mode < 1232320465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I want to; it's not my bot. < 1232320468 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll pepper in some fflush()es < 1232320477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, in awk!? < 1232320489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gawk < 1232320507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, does awk have a flush() or fflush()? < 1232320518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying the gawk source is cheating < 1232320532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawk has a fflush() call. < 1232320548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it'll help, though, if the problem is that awk's still waiting for input before actually executing any BEGIN { } blocks or anything. < 1232320553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fflush([file]) Flush any buffers associated with the open output file or pipe file. If < 1232320569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if? < 1232320626 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file is missing, then standard output is flushed. If file is the null string, then all open output files and pipes have their buffers flushed. < 1232320660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that did it < 1232320662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232320675 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232320689 0 :dc-bot!n=foo@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232320702 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~say foobar < 1232320703 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foobar < 1232320712 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dc 123p < 1232320720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phail < 1232320724 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1232320753 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232320765 0 :dc-bot!n=foo@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232320776 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guise < 1232320778 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dc 123p < 1232320783 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232320790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know < 1232320803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to design parsers that recognize a language < 1232320808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations. < 1232320815 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232320817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how the hell do i use the parser output to build an abstract syntax tree? < 1232320817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not functionally retarded. < 1232320818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1232320826 0 :dc-bot!n=foo@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232320827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract my previous statement. < 1232320836 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dc 123p < 1232320836 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1232320839 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1232320851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dc [loop forever] < 1232320858 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only parser book i have is incredibly complete, except in that it doesnt explain how to use a parser's output :| < 1232320979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what parser's output? i figured parsing out by thinking, and afaik i'm the retard from us two. < 1232321005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really have to guess that depends on what sort of parser you have, and what its output is. If your parser outputs "accept" or "reject" depending on whether the input is in the language, you'd have to be Really Clever to build a syntax tree out of that. < 1232321025 0 :botbot!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1232321029 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more bots! < 1232321032 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loopPONG :leguin.freenode.net < 1232321048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc-bot: Thank you, that was appropriately bizarre. < 1232321053 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods ehird
< 1232321063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could find nested stuff by doing dynamic programming on all substrings of the code < 1232321066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, parsers can produce things like stacks of symbols and so on. what im not sure about is how to reverse those symbols and get a tree < 1232321084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only nested expressions wouldn't fail, you could recurse on them < 1232321088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could kind of run the parser in reverse, in a sense < 1232321090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is Really Clever
< 1232321092 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dc 0sa1[la1+salad1+n10>b]dsbx < 1232321104 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232321108 0 :dc-bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232321111 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1232321116 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods fizzie then :/
< 1232321119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of pushing it out to a string, i'd push it out to the tree itself, but im not entire sure how to do that. atleast not in any way thats well established < 1232321199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you're an idiot :D < 1232321202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be like recognize_addition = [+, read_expression, read_expression] < 1232321209 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that builds up a tree < 1232321209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for your constructive advice, ehird. < 1232321211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suggestion is writing your own parser < 1232321233 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i can WRITE a parser, im just not sure about how to get anything useful out of it < 1232321248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh. i thought you wanted to use an existing parser or something. < 1232321249 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parsing is trivial. its the conversion to an AST that im confused about. < 1232321259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232321262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses PRODUCE ASTS < 1232321267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole POINT of them < 1232321268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no they dont. < 1232321268 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1232321276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes they do. bsmntbombdood: yes they do. < 1232321280 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing can just be a boolean < 1232321283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. they dont. < 1232321284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot, the bot is written in dc? < 1232321286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can build the ast as you go, consider recursion descending in the ast. < 1232321293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's a technicality :-) < 1232321295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes. they do. < 1232321312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you call a nested thingie recursively, you're parsing a child, just append result in list. < 1232321313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys, I don't get this topic. Can you explain it?" "Foobar" "No, not foobar." < 1232321322 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods ehird again
< 1232321326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botbot: WHAT DAMMIT < 1232321329 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232321334 0 :botbot!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1232321336 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1232321341 0 :botbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232321342 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: im not entirely sure what you mean. < 1232321361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: have you tried parsing brainfuck? < 1232321376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the parser is a recursive-descent one, building an AST is really simple, sure. Just have a "foo" function, for a non-terminal foo, return an AST node foo(x, y, z), with x, y, z given from whatever foo() recursive-descends into. < 1232321378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is trivial... < 1232321393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes, and it contains the basic idea < 1232321416 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then i suppose i should rephrase it since you're a bit too dense. when building a parser, after i've gotten to the stage where each token in the string is recognized, and the production path has been determined, as a sequence of terminals and non-terminals, how does that get read off into an AST. < 1232321417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way to parse a bf loop body is to make a list, and start appending instructions, and for [...]'s, call recursively, append result < 1232321424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no. i havent touched bf. :P < 1232321428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ps aux|grep xterm|wc -l < 1232321430 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :253 < 1232321435 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS TOO MANY XTERMS < 1232321439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Protip: Calling someone dense is not a way to get help. < 1232321449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not helping anyway ehird < 1232321450 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never help < 1232321452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the paths are paths in the tree btw < 1232321459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never help :'( < 1232321463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest cutting yourself < 1232321466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just a whiney little twat who never has anything useful to say. < 1232321486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Because if I'm not here to help you do trivial stuff all the time, what am I here for?! < 1232321510 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not here to help, you might want to stop replying to my requests for help < 1232321531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i know that they're paths in the tree. but that doesnt help much. < 1232321533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I might not, seeing as there isn't a channel rule that I can't reply to requests for help how I want. < 1232321534 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lawd < 1232321536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, try a tabbed terminal < 1232321542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if not, read my actual help. < 1232321548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like konsole, or whatever gnome have < 1232321550 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have a tabbed window manager, same thing < 1232321551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may help a lot < 1232321553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you try to see how brainfuck is parsed recursively < 1232321557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, hm ok < 1232321561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure 253 terminal tabs would be very helpful either. < 1232321565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple, and you should see the general idea < 1232321578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, parsing bf recursive? yeah dead easy < 1232321580 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* nevermind. ill read this book on parsers more carefully and see if it has any explanation that i missed. < 1232321582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done it several times < 1232321584 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: maybe do it in a real language, not haskell < 1232321593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? lol < 1232321611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i've done it about 50 times. i do it every time i want to write something in brainfuck. < 1232321623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, err < 1232321626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1232321628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's faster than finding a brainfuck.py. < 1232321633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I save my project < 1232321636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building the syntax tree in a hand-crafted "bottom-up"-style LR parser might not be quite as easy, but really, if your parser is a recursive-descent stylish, I would think it'd be hard to not to get a syntax tree out of it. < 1232321643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you on *nix? I don't remember < 1232321646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes use < 1232321648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's the difference really? both take <1min < 1232321652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locate brainfuck.py < 1232321660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will take a few seconds < 1232321663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: could have a different name. < 1232321673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, idea: store it in ~/bin ? < 1232321676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that name < 1232321681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. hes on windows < 1232321685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. shut up, stop trying to make oklopol logical < 1232321686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1232321686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i don't take very kindly to people suggesting me to do stuff unless i actually ask. < 1232321687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're ruining him < 1232321705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sorry then < 1232321761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm perfectly logical. i just have different axioms. < 1232321774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: im sure thats the case, but i dont do much recursive descent stuff, so i cant really conceptualize why :) < 1232321781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice oklopol < 1232321785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what axioms? < 1232321795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a few psychological bugs) < 1232321798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1232321803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually listed them. < 1232321810 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to write a real parser < 1232321813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed, that is why I asked < 1232321816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you listed yours? < 1232321825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not yet on irc < 1232321833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and I need to consider them < 1232321844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing your as examples would help me define them clearer < 1232321844 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood i have a copy of a really good intro to parsers book < 1232321857 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its more of a somewhat comprehensive parsing techniques book actually < 1232321863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it goes through a lot of intro stuff too < 1232321868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want i'll send it to you < 1232321875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing is a solved problem < 1232321881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rather. < 1232321892 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that there aren't new and better techniques to be found < 1232321892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading a book on a monitor isn't pleasent < 1232321894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T GET SAID ENOUGH < 1232321898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print it out then :p < 1232321933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading on a monitor is pleasant, the only problem is irl books are prettier. < 1232321946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knowwwwwwww < 1232321948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are so awesome < 1232321949 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painfully true < 1232321953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, what is the name/ISBN of this book? < 1232321956 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing is expensive and slow < 1232321959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1232321988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing Techniques - A Practical Guide < 1232321995 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually get it online i just forget where < 1232321999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, and ISBN? < 1232322001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find it by googling that. < 1232322005 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, anmaster. no idea. < 1232322006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1232322006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print to_python("{'a':{'b':lambda a: a}}; def a(b={'a':2}): { pass }") < 1232322008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works properly < 1232322020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.vu.nl/~dick/PTAPG.html < 1232322031 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISBN 0 13 651431 6 < 1232322039 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho you can download it there < 1232322173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh my local library sucks so hard < 1232322196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can you writerate a program for me :P < 1232322444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, it also handles def a(): { return {'a':2} } < 1232322448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite enough testing. < 1232322477 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh < 1232322481 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking on amazon for books < 1232322486 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit's expensive < 1232322568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a used copy of introduction to algorithms for $70?!?! < 1232322614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strange, I get a "whoa, that stuff's so cheap" feeling, thanks to the book prices here. Most of my course books (if bought new from a local retailer) have had prices around $100. < 1232322653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon seems to be clever enough to find Introduction to Algorithms if I write "clrs" in the search-box. < 1232322724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100, yikes :D < 1232322733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are crazy expensive : D < 1232322781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's up with that $70-used version of CLRS. Even though it's printed in 2003, it's still the same old 2nd edition, for which Amazon is selling new copies (hardcover, even) for $60. < 1232322857 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the page count is higher (1184 pages vs. 1056 pages) in the old one, so it's not like they'd have added any stuff. < 1232322942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could add and remove. < 1232322963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, in the two largest local book stores here in Finland, the hardcover edition of CLRS sells for $130. < 1232322998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's a big book. I think I've used that thing to stand on when I couldn't quite reach something. < 1232323007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably buy it < 1232323089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh, a bug < 1232323117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Full disclosure" note: as a cheap student, I got the non-hardcover edition.) < 1232323218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap or poor? < 1232323227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both, I think. < 1232323236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no. < 1232323239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _terrible_ bug < 1232323306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. how advanced is introduction to algorithms, and why clrs? < 1232323314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the classic. < 1232323323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's called CLRS because of the authors. < 1232323324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i haven't read it. i assume you have < 1232323326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1232323336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1232323364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's no Knuth. So it's not very advanced-advanced. But it's (maybe) good to have a reference book of them basics, just in case. < 1232323393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first edition was abbreviated CLR; the second edition added an author and a letter in the abbrev. < 1232323400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it prove algos, or just state them? < 1232323425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a random mixture < 1232323447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. It's not *that* formal, but it's no cookbook either. < 1232323471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/364233.txt?key=9rpypyo03fxtfukjimeq < 1232323475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reasonable amount of work done on computing worst-case asymptotic effectiveness and things like that. < 1232323480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bracism->Python translator. < 1232323484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written in Bracism, of course. :-P < 1232323495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but that's much easier than correctness proofs, ime < 1232323513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait actually i broke it fuck < 1232323522 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how does it do dictionaries? < 1232323527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: cleverly < 1232323535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill show the non-obfuscated source < 1232323535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1232323577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to fix this one bug < 1232323594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sure, that's probably why they've bothered to do them. < 1232323626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://pastie.org/private/wqoy0vq8pdrfkapgzgg < 1232323635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fairly easy to figure out how it works < 1232323636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ordos and the like are often pretty much just arithmetic, with a small layer of explanation < 1232323675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read *an* introduction to algorithms at some point i think < 1232323687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean skimmed through it because i already knew all the algos < 1232323771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actually there were a few trees i didn't know about, these things where you have the strings as paths in a tree, and can thus check what's in the dict etc. < 1232323778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, i wonder what book that was < 1232323817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: see how it works? < 1232323820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really big, but most of it was sample code, which was written in C# i think, and thus took the bulk of the book (levenshtein was like 3 pages) < 1232323821 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232323842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: :D, basically, it only triggers a block if you have a colon, whitespace, then a {, BUT < 1232323851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only does that trigger if the last { seen entered a block < 1232323860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so {...} doesn't enter a block, no colon < 1232323861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1232323864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'a': {}} < 1232323865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't either < 1232323869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the last { seen didn't open a block < 1232323879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an essentially foolproof algorithm < 1232323922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLRS code samples are all in their own pseudo-code thing. < 1232323939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-code is a great evil. < 1232323976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book's web page has their LaTeX macro for typesetting that pseudo-code, I've used it a couple of time for presentation slides and stuff. < 1232324017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie are you IRL buds with lament I have this fucked up view of #esoteric, and all the ops know each other. < 1232324036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. I don't even know which country lament is from. < 1232324043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lives in canada. < 1232324050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's russian < 1232324050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's russian iirc < 1232324053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1232324068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's like a superhero < 1232324074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LAMENT! He lives in canada... < 1232324076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's RUSSIAN!" < 1232324090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i wonder why that was such a crucial detail < 1232324104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm australian, but i don't mention it much < 1232324108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232324113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament has inherent russian-nature < 1232324123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oklopol are you really australian < 1232324135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how really are we talking? < 1232324136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the people in the nick-list I only IRL-know ineiros. And I might've seen Deewiant accidentally, since we're in the same university. < 1232324142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like, really < 1232324148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really really? < 1232324153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait you know ineiros the famous idler? WHOAAAAAAAAA. < 1232324164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been idle _thirty two days_ < 1232324204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen esotericers irl, not even myself < 1232324204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the IRCnet side of the fence. < 1232324210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least directly and completely < 1232324221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCnet is a crazy finnish thing. < 1232324229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there needs to be an #esoteric meetup sometime :||||||| < 1232324237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. < 1232324257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be so coo < 1232324258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1232324259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that Finnish. Although I haven't seen statistics. < 1232324282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are .de people around, at least. < 1232324286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1232324453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be sort-of losing in popularity: http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=IRCnet&submenu=years when compared to the trend in http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=freenode&submenu=years < 1232324506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode has only had 52041 users max? < 1232324508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1232324543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not a big network. < 1232324557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like one of the biggest... < 1232324579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::wolfe.freenode.net 266 fasdfa :Current global users: 44083 Max: 52254 < 1232324608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must sleeps now, night. < 1232324662 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1232324668 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in haskell all object are immutable < 1232324678 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean they can use reference-counting for gc? < 1232324695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232324745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still have circular references that go out of scope < 1232324745 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1232324760 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have a cricular reference? < 1232324769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: easy < 1232324772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = [x] < 1232324775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=1:a? < 1232324781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=[x] doesn't work < 1232324786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232324787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232324788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :types < 1232324790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232324797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Foo = Foo Foo < 1232324801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myFoo = Foo myFoo < 1232324805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not like types are that crucial in haskell :P < 1232324811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1232324836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: in fact, circular structures are very good for haskell programs < 1232324842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a fold over an infinite list is an interesting control structure < 1232324879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: take this with a grain of salt though, i'm not feeling all that bright today, there might be some other optimizations for gc at least, given immutability. < 1232324908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just haven't thought or read about it, and clearly you can at least do what makes mutable stuff circumvent refcounting. < 1232325105 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Garbage-Collection-Algorithms-Automatic-Management/dp/0471941484 < 1232325108 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that book is $100 < 1232325333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cool < 1232325579 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://product.half.ebay.com/_W0QQcpidZ405747QQprZ305965 < 1232325601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996? < 1232325609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage collection has progressed a loooooong way since then. < 1232325628 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Visible shelf wear -- may have some notes/markings on pages" - $32.00 < 1232325656 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lofl < 1232325666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used - may have notes < 1232325672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232325675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lofl: lolling on the floor laughing? < 1232325682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1232325686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughing on the floor louding? < 1232325699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no expansion < 1232325700 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lofl. < 1232325703 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loudly on the floor laughing. < 1232325705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1232325708 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am loudly on the floor. < 1232325708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like oko then < 1232326205 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that my name has been said, so I look up through history to see in what context it was said, and am subjected to THAT :P < 1232326324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it < 1232326551 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnomnomno < 1232327348 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think I got the persistance of triggers working. http://dpaste.com/110549/ < 1232327386 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to call bot.save_callbacks() to save, and it is loaded upon restart < 1232327514 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232327632 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Strangely, the issue with the topic-change doesn't seem to have any obvious solution. The bot sends the TOPIC-command to the server, which responds with the standard ":nick!user@host TOPIC #chan :...", but the topic doen't seem to get changed anyway. < 1232327877 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1232329069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something besides bsmntbombdood developing bsmnt_bot ?!?! < 1232329709 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... ehird asked me to make added triggers persistant < 1232329890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive begun coding the interp for my language :o < 1232329954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its working :D < 1232332285 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> import each < 1232332287 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> ['a', 'b', 'C'].each().upper() < 1232332289 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eo['A', 'B', 'C'] < 1232332290 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> < 1232332737 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer like Python. < 1232332784 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, you can do wild things like that in Haskell, too. < 1232332792 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the idea from IO < 1232332820 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you can actually do that in Haskell? < 1232332829 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232332843 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1232332848 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, implementing it in python required using ctypes to get at the internal dict :D < 1232332853 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1232332873 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know haskell :( < 1232332879 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid to learn it because then I will forget about prolog < 1232332897 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Each a = Each [a]; instance Stuff a => Stuff (Each a) where f (Each a) = Each (map f a) < 1232332921 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Stuff is an arbitrary class, and f is an arbitrary class variable thingy. < 1232332946 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get back to you on that when I understand Haskell. ;) < 1232332953 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232332983 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the continuous functions in Sierpinsky space
< 1232333148 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sierpinski, rather. < 1232333585 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool, a function to the Sierpinski space is continuous if and only if the set of functions it maps to 1 is open. < 1232333644 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232336438 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232336496 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232337602 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is awesome < 1232337615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sooo esoteric even though it was intended as a serious language < 1232339067 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232339134 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232339443 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232339818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am teh bored < 1232340338 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: HELP ME WRITE ZEE < 1232340352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut is that < 1232340382 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEE is a game I'm writing, it stands for Zoom-Enhance-Extrapolate. It's a parody of those scenes in spy movies where they magically ... well, zoom, enhance and extrapolate images. < 1232340387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of an image-maze game. < 1232340419 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in games < 1232340435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't believe that they exist? :P < 1232340616 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god, cpython is a quarter-million sloc < 1232340683 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna take a look at it < 1232342858 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232346317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language is working! :D < 1232346320 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not all of it < 1232346323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of it < 1232346326 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important stuff! < 1232346336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did solve your parsing problem? < 1232346351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, that wasn't for this yet. im going to need to solve it eventually. < 1232346354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i didn't. not yet < 1232346360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of parsing is it? < 1232346366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1232346384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR parsing or recursive descent, or what? < 1232346394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent decided/determined yet. < 1232346492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the thing is that when you recognize a non-terminal token, you should know what tokens it consists of. < 1232346526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can build the tree out of the trees for the subtokens at the same time... < 1232346555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not entirely sure how you mean that but ok :P < 1232346592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well consider LR parsing. you have some tokens on the stack, and recognize that they form a non-terminal production < 1232346617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do a reduction, perhaps after considering lookahead < 1232346662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if you already have the trees for the subtokens built up, you can just combine them to get the tree for the replacement non-terminal < 1232346684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdjfhsajkdhfs < 1232346685 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1232346691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont even < 1232346692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232346729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once more: you build the trees _while_ you are recognizing tokens, not afterwards < 1232346742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1232346803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each token comes with its subparse tree < 1232347146 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232347151 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232347378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1232347384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruby socket docs are horrible < 1232347387 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ruby docs are < 1232347391 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is wrong with these people < 1232347835 0 :Alt-255!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232347839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice < 1232347844 0 :Alt-255!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232347886 0 :Alt-255!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232347943 0 :Alt-255!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232348016 0 :Alt-255!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232348020 0 :Alt-255!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232348039 0 :Alt-255!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232348046 0 :Alt-255!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232348112 0 :Alt-255!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232348118 0 :Alt-255!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232349438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232350770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys! < 1232350902 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232351522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :K-lined < 1232351999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232352000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232352126 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232352136 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_ < 1232352136 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232352150 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K-lined :P < 1232352159 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive__ < 1232352161 0 :psygnisfive__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232352165 0 :psygnisfive__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have died < 1232352167 0 :psygnisfive__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1232352177 0 :psygnisfive__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_ < 1232352223 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_____ < 1232352230 0 :psygnisfive_____!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :p5 < 1232352236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird has quit (K-lined) <-- wow, why? < 1232352242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he do? < 1232352251 0 :p5!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cygnus5 < 1232352257 0 :cygnus5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph < 1232352267 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe too many Excess Flood... < 1232352297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, and he's always saying that Freenode admins do nothing. < 1232352333 0 :AntiGravityBot!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232352336 0 :cygnus5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232352413 0 :cygnus5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot is sexy innit < 1232352413 0 :cygnus5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232352685 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232352690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hello < 1232352697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :K-lined < 1232352699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck did you do to get klined... < 1232352700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232352716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, maybe too many clients from one host? < 1232352720 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232352738 0 :AntiGravityBot!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232352817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232353280 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232353289 0 :cygnus5!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1232353351 0 :AntiGravityBot!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232353358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so! < 1232353367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now have a bot that runs most of my little language. :D < 1232353710 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232354070 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232354074 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232354849 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232355421 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232355454 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232355643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232360956 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232360965 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232363194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It's sort of an image-maze game. <<< like, all you can do is zoom, but only some parts of the picture contain details you can actually zoom to? < 1232363509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow the fractal's structure hints where the path continues < 1232363522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the end, there's a little winking smiley < 1232363524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :";)" < 1232363536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know you finally did it. < 1232363795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232363802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of games are way too weak on the plot I think < 1232363832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I'm not good at making up game plots myself... < 1232363848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two games in particular. < 1232363853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Chess 2) Tetris < 1232363857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both need more plot :D < 1232363862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't < 1232363880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, not "need" indeed. But it wouldn't hurt. < 1232363900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would hurt, it would just distract from the games' actual problems < 1232363925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, you could include it as "background info" or something < 1232363928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, i'm not saying anything bad about tetris, but chess doesn't really work as a computer game. < 1232363937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, agreed. < 1232363938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't build on it. < 1232363947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1232363949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always the same, change it, and it simply isn't chess anymore. < 1232363960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that would be fun, chess with trench digging! < 1232363960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's more of a puzzle imo < 1232363963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232363983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle-typey game, not the kind that's fun to play with the computer < 1232363996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, make chess an RTS! < 1232364002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real-time system? < 1232364014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real time strategy < 1232364022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right lol. < 1232364027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to turn based < 1232364059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trench digging? < 1232364078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes? < 1232364094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure i heard < 1232364101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_warfare < 1232364117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dig them < 1232364133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also add hitpoints to the chess pieces < 1232364138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that kinda trench. < 1232364139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ranged weapons < 1232364149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought you wanted to reroute rivahs or something. < 1232364161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, now, at which point is it no longer chess? :D < 1232364179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say pretty much instantly, and that's my point < 1232364185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1232364254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very continuous game, on any level, it breaks easily, in a way < 1232364289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not that easily, i guess this is more about what i consider the chess philosophy to be. < 1232364423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess is more of an algorithmic game, you can't continuously add challenge to it, as material, i guess is my point. < 1232364506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way you can safely add challenge is to make the AI gradually better, but, well, first of all that doesn't really have a continuing feel to it. and second of all AI isn't inherently very gradually enhancable. < 1232364532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't all that visible how good the AI is, at least to me. it just sometimes wins, sometimes not. < 1232364550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean unless you're really good at chess, which i obviously am not. < 1232364560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232364577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nor am I < 1232364604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i know dat < 1232364682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris is pretty easy to build on, the general idea of dropping shit into a pile with rewrite rules is used quite a lot < 1232364736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly though, ofc, if you just increased the size of the dropped objects, and kept them random, you'd never get a complete row < 1232364765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to add fuzzy row removing < 1232364774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which again isn't very tetrisy. < 1232364812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if the puzzles were handmade, or, well, even just generated more sensibly, you could even have continuous tetris < 1232364838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, if you fucked up, you might never be able to get the piece destroyed. < 1232364848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it might not fit anything else < 1232364859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232364874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous tetris? < 1232364883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pieces of arbitrary form. < 1232364886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232364923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course closed, having holes would make it kinda hard to remove the insides (impossible, assuming the pieces can't roll around, which isn't tetrisy again) < 1232365491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you could also make something like, tetris but remove blocks of same colors if they are large enough < 1232365502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have seen that once < 1232365506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember where
< 1232365546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes... http://kfouleggs.sourceforge.net/ < 1232365581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the most common rewrite-rule-pile-based game. < 1232365592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has tons of variations < 1232366456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232366938 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232370707 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232370786 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232370788 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232371557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF @ K-LINE < 1232371562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232371602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:13:52 ehird: Strangely, the issue with the topic-change doesn't seem to have any obvious solution. The bot sends the TOPIC-command to the server, which responds with the standard ":nick!user@host TOPIC #chan :...", but the topic doen't seem to get changed anyway. < 1232371604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rate throttling? < 1232371630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:40:48 however, implementing it in python required using ctypes to get at the internal dict :D < 1232371632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it really didn't < 1232371638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement that trivially < 1232371711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was offline when I was klined. < 1232371714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am asking #freenode now. < 1232371744 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. If I look at the console window (running the bot locally), the bot gets the standard response for successful topic change, but I don't see that in my normal IRC client. < 1232371757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: That's very wtf. < 1232372061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told me to email kline@freenode.net.. < 1232372063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love indirection. < 1232372072 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232372084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1232372089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why'dya think I got klined twice overnight? < 1232372112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1232372116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which network? Freenode? < 1232372159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1232372164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent an email to kline@freenode.net. < 1232372173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very WTFy. < 1232372189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there automatic K-lines < 1232372190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232372194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some nick that yours is linked to got hijacked? < 1232372198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and went mad? < 1232372239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be automatic K-lines on joining known botnet control channels, but that probably doesn't apply. < 1232372256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on joining GNAA channels < 1232372261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... do you have autojoin on invite? < 1232372282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36 maybe some nick that yours is linked to got hijacked? < 1232372282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36 and went mad? < 1232372289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering the hostname was eso-std.org I very much doubt it. < 1232372292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that combination seems to be an obvious way to get someone klined, if it works < 1232372297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do not have autojoin on invite because it was my _freaking bouncer_ < 1232372303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've joined #gnaa on freenode before. No kline. < 1232372306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in a lecture, I'd better go < 1232372310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232372400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, #gnaa does not have hot african sex? < 1232372993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :K-lined < 1232373106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't like his tone in the email. < 1232373153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232373173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he should ask his big brother for help < 1232373988 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232374329 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232375371 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232375721 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232377394 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378152 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-4-202.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378198 0 :join!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-6-242.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378226 0 :join!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest21688 < 1232378281 0 :Guest21688!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah_ < 1232378525 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232378530 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378606 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378693 0 :ehird_!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232378699 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuckers. I'm still fucking banned. < 1232378706 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, freenode is a bunch of incompetend retards. < 1232378718 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incompetend < 1232378719 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incompetent < 1232378870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd better watch that mouth of yours, they'll be k-lining you for calling them retards. < 1232378881 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1232378972 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if they, say, unbanned me while trying to fix it. < 1232378980 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of "contact our shitty issue tracker so we can ignore it". < 1232379121 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232379942 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232380316 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-089-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232380933 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1232381026 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird / ehird_ < 1232381031 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you propose this be trivially implemented < 1232381075 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, you can't just do list.foo = 'bar' < 1232381295 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is subclassing < 1232381304 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each([1,2,3]) is so bad? :P < 1232381335 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im ehird_ cuz ehird got k-lined. < 1232381921 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi comex ico < 1232382046 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232382048 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1232382061 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it requires thinking you're going to use "each" before typing out the list < 1232382068 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a laziness construct < 1232382072 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" what is cursor positioning " < 1232382081 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, obviously its uses in python are limited < 1232382117 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should all use scheme < 1232382124 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in io you can do, say, list(foo, bar, baz) each setNumber(x += 1) < 1232382128 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should all use scheme < 1232382606 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAA < 1232382646 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232382681 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still fucking klined < 1232383427 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232384365 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232384375 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 oerjan < 1232384383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird_ oerjan < 1232384389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hi oerjan ehird_ < 1232384393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 ehird_ < 1232384395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need some chance at symmetry here... < 1232384412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1232384417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we failed < 1232384428 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, now taking bets as to when freenode will de-kline my bouncer again < 1232384446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232384462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do? < 1232384470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, read the logs < 1232384473 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeps happening < 1232384476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders why the desktop background on the Windows computer next to me says "Please Check Monitor For Updated Password"
< 1232384481 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode are incompetent maximus < 1232384520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is it's something to do with the practice on the lecture hall computers that they use of putting a guest username/password onto the monitor so visiting lecturers can log in < 1232384522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := incompetentissimus, iirc < 1232384527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's somehow been deployed over here by mistake < 1232384543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a username/password on this monitor < 1232384563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, weirder was the time when I came to a similar computer and it was apparently off < 1232384575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the LEDs on the front looked on (but it was sunny and I couldn't tell for certain) < 1232384581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither the keyboard nor mouse did anything < 1232384596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that made me wonder if it was really off was the Windows XP screensaver on the monitor < 1232384604 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1232384609 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1232384611 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot < 1232384617 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... guess it got klined too < 1232384667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bsmnt_bot was the reason < 1232384678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it going on a rampage, I wonder? < 1232384684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be controlled by arbitrary people... < 1232384691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have logs? < 1232384696 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, it didn't quit as k-lined < 1232384701 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as connection reset by remote < 1232384707 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I was explicitly auto-klined < 1232384710 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, umm, klined by a fucktard < 1232384719 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd prefer to think its incompetent programming < 1232384842 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess plot: You are the king of a great empire, but for years there has been diplomatic tension with the empire just down the road. Now, their fury at you for completely duplicating their army in every detail has heatened so that they've declared war! Neither of your armies are very large (you have enough people to recruit a huge army, but then it wouldn't be an exact duplicate of your neighbors!), so this singular battle will likely determine the vic < 1232384844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor in the war. Now, send your footsoldiers to their almost certain doom, as they are but pawns in ... oh, never mind. Welcome to the world of CHESS! < 1232384870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so why can you only move one a turn? < 1232384894 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has nothing to do with the plot, that's just a game rule. < 1232384904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plot never actually explains the rules, that would be nonsensical. < 1232384920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's just a chess-inspired film < 1232384924 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.co.uk/group/net.micro.pc/msg/993d3e017d041ed4 < 1232384928 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first me too post. EVER. < 1232384928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make Tetris: the Movie < 1232384933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wanted someone to make that for ages < 1232384939 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plague upon csu-cs!casterli. < 1232384940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: how do you know it's the first ever? < 1232384954 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google sez so < 1232384958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html < 1232384974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Deja really archive usenet right from the start? < 1232384980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1) Chess 2) Tetris < 1232384982 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ais523 < 1232384995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there may have been a me-too that wasn't archived and got lost < 1232384996 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but near-complete usenet archives are available < 1232385004 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were mostly meta-discussion about usenet, really < 1232385007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, someone might have written X-No-Archive: yes\n\nMe, too! < 1232385014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ass for (2), there is the sunken city of Tetris in Triangle and Robert... < 1232385019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1232385021 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah um I don't think people used those headers back then ais523 :P < 1232385022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMNIT < 1232385040 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: Somebody extremely psychic could have :P < 1232385074 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/msg/66008138e07aa94c < 1232385076 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duff's device < 1232385119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls seeing a chess-inspired film on TV once. it ended with nuclear war iirc
< 1232385136 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS? < 1232385138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many people (even Brian Kernighan?) have said that the worst feature of C is that switches don't break automatically before each case label. This code forms some sort of argument in that debate, but I'm not sure whether it's for or against." < 1232385140 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1232385143 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was referencing that. < 1232385144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A famous quote, it's nice to see the original < 1232385145 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you. < 1232385174 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing people talk about having written C for 10 years, around 10 years before I was born, is eerie. < 1232385186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: just reading pre-C89 C is eerie < 1232385195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of that would have been written before I was born < 1232385201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code you're talking about is even older than that < 1232385242 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any, or almost any, < 1232385243 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> MacOS app that can run on MacOS8 *WILL* run on MacOSX. < 1232385245 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- 1998 < 1232385246 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1232385295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Apple don't need to stick to an insane backward-compatibility system to try to convince the rest of the world that all computers really are like that < 1232385437 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1232385496 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232385554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssssssssssssssssss < 1232385598 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how come there aren't any old replies to things like http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/browse_thread/thread/e3df794a2bce97da/2194d253268b0a1b?#2194d253268b0a1b ? < 1232385609 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did people not reply in those days? Or are they just lost from the archive? < 1232385623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly not archived < 1232385633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is not very conducive to archiving, the way it's designed < 1232385648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to be someone big like Google who's connected to more or less everyone to get the whole thing < 1232385666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure archiving Linus's message was Deja's work. < 1232385683 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends if it's older than Deja. < 1232385683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if Deja managed to get the whole of every thread < 1232385701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the discussion may have moved to whatever the old-fashioned equivalent of comp.sources was < 1232385706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he posted the source on Usenet < 1232385706 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wrote find(1)? < 1232385706 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? iirc some guy with vms experience. < 1232385708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used to be common < 1232385710 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not surprised? < 1232385790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.html on proggit
< 1232385794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually esolang-related < 1232385798 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232385800 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does BF & Whitespace. < 1232385849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange... < 1232385855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 0 true for the purposes of ?: in Ruby? < 1232385855 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232385859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that source seems to imply it is < 1232385867 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Only false and nil have falsity in Ruby. < 1232385872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232385878 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After all, why is 0 false? It's just another number.) < 1232385879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever way to detect Ruby vs. Perl then < 1232385883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in code which is almost the same in both of htem < 1232385897 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232385916 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wow < 1232385920 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you leave http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.html open for a while < 1232385922 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes < 1232385925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to I'm a javascript-generated HTML page < 1232385931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me it doesn't < 1232385931 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232385937 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn on scripts. < 1232385937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects all sorts of other things, too < 1232385942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts enabled is one < 1232385951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also detects whether you're using trigraphs, in the C < 1232385958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zsh/bash/sh < 1232385958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232385967 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does perl6 too :-D < 1232385985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I vaguely wonder how Perl6 knows to run just that code < 1232385989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everything else commented out for it < 1232385994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it have a program-starts-here line? < 1232385994 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke is a #haskell and ##C denizen FWIW, he's pretty fun < 1232386003 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Same way as all the programs: clever commenting. < 1232386012 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and polyglotty snippets < 1232386026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should go for an esolang-only polyglotting record < 1232386040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, there are lots of joke lines which autopolyglot into anyhting < 1232386043 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say, the fact that it's a Whitespace program is just beautiful. < 1232386056 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polyglots have been done, but not effing whitespace ones. < 1232386066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is quite good for polyglotting into things, really < 1232386077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it's valid HQ9+, ofc < 1232386084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be meaningful valid HQ9+ with a couple of tweaks < 1232386089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would just say hello world < 1232386149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that C99 check is just insane < 1232386266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a valid oklotalk program :-D < 1232386327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do in oklotalk? < 1232386335 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1232386339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, it's a Kimian quine in some versions of INTERCAL < 1232386345 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But every string of characters is syntactically valid oklotalk. < 1232386355 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oklotalk has no runtime errors. < 1232386369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does _something_, possibly nothing. < 1232387530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232387532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232387535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232387598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnorf < 1232387735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *GROAN* < 1232387769 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think my boouncer is still k-lined? < 1232387920 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: blognomic is impossible < 1232387981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1232387983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrong channel? < 1232387994 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel: it's a protest againt my k-line :-P < 1232387996 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because it's so effing fast < 1232388327 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://unix-tree.huihoo.org/V3/usr/man/man1/chdir.1.html < 1232388333 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad they shortened the name < 1232388417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortened the name of what? < 1232388421 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chdir to cd < 1232388430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232388585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found two old bots of mine yesterday/today. < 1232388588 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to play with em < 1232388644 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::} < 1232388652 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves bots right? < 1232388710 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232388726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: oko and kok? < 1232388736 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, KajirBot and seabot < 1232388748 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot was in here yesterday: it gave birth to Bracism < 1232388760 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both in python < 1232388766 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, let's say hello to KAJIRBOT < 1232388771 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1232388778 0 :KajirBot!n=KajirBot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232388778 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here comes! < 1232388781 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo KajirBot! < 1232388783 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help < 1232388783 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed, help, kill, ps, q, tell, time < 1232388792 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help help < 1232388792 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help [command] < 1232388792 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Displays help on commands. < 1232388799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help feed < 1232388799 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed [food] < 1232388799 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feeds KajirBot. < 1232388803 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed something < 1232388803 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i haven't eaten something before. have you got ten black holes? < 1232388807 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed ten black holes < 1232388807 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :) < 1232388812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed mushrooms < 1232388812 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i haven't eaten mushrooms before. have you got ten black holes? < 1232388812 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cute. < 1232388819 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed lhc < 1232388820 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i haven't eaten lhc before. have you got ten black holes? < 1232388825 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed ten black holes < 1232388826 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :) < 1232388831 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed sth < 1232388831 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i haven't eaten sth before. have you got pizza? < 1232388834 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.feed pizza < 1232388835 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :) < 1232388840 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how pointless. but endearing. < 1232388841 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help < 1232388841 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed, help, kill, ps, q, tell, time < 1232388844 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.time < 1232388844 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, it is 2009-01-19, 18:14 GMT < 1232388847 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it now < 1232388850 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help tell < 1232388850 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell pid msg < 1232388851 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sends a message to a process. < 1232388854 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1232388856 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ps < 1232388856 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0. ps < 1232388874 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, um, that is pretty much all it does. < 1232388877 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait! < 1232388881 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q This is like a real AI. < 1232388881 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like a real AI? < 1232388886 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q You're fun < 1232388886 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're fun? < 1232388891 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q I am cool < 1232388892 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are cool? < 1232388895 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q yes I am < 1232388896 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are? < 1232388899 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1232388903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: that looks to me like a bad elizabot < 1232388913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: meet KajirBot < 1232388913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's good though if it's going so slowly that i think < 1232388917 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it just adds a ? and swaps I/you :-) and am/are :-) < 1232388919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q that's good though if it's going so slowly that i think < 1232388919 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good though if it's going so slowly that you think? < 1232388926 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q fungot < 1232388927 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1232388927 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: ( ( out if she does move you know i didn't know that mm th- there's no other circumstances that uh people are not even computer literate they don't even touch the tip of the iceberg when it comes < 1232388927 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KajirBot: at the same < 1232388940 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q fungot, will you marry me? < 1232388940 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, will I marry me? < 1232388940 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: even seen it and have thought nothing maybe their first thought would've been okay there's a helen of troy okay there's a helen of troy okay there's a helen of troy okay there's a bunch of ' em < 1232388941 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KajirBot: unfortunately i guess you would have a lot to do with < 1232388941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: Kajirbot doesn't respond to its name, though, it seems < 1232388945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1232388968 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q are__ < 1232388968 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are__? < 1232388972 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232388975 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a way to break this < 1232388976 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.q are___ < 1232388977 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are? < 1232388980 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232388987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : def swap(a, b, q): < 1232388987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q = ' %s ' % q < 1232388987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q = re.sub(re.compile(r' %s ' % a, re.I), ' %s___ ' % b, q) < 1232388987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q = re.sub(re.compile(r' %s ' % b, re.I), ' %s ' % a, q) < 1232388987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q = re.sub(re.compile(r' %s___ ' % b, re.I), ' %s ' % b, q) < 1232388989 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return q[1:-1] < 1232389005 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot review: good code, cute, but lacks features. < 1232389011 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for seabot. < 1232389027 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389035 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is seabot. He is pretty advanced: < 1232389036 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.help < 1232389036 0 :KajirBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed, help, kill, ps, q, tell, time < 1232389038 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232389039 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1232389039 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl: cdecl < 1232389039 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: help < 1232389039 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: karma karma+ karma- < 1232389039 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta: load reload unload < 1232389039 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: python < 1232389043 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma seabot < 1232389044 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot has a karma of 2 < 1232389048 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persistance! < 1232389064 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python if 1 == 1: { print "[broken implementation of] bracism!" } < 1232389064 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[broken implementation of] bracism! < 1232389072 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python __import__ < 1232389072 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1232389075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python __import__('sy') < 1232389078 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python __import__('sys') < 1232389088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1232389096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232389100 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rejects imports < 1232389102 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python __builtins__ < 1232389103 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1232389105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python __builtins__() < 1232389106 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'builtins' is not defined < 1232389111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python builtins() < 1232389111 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: name 'builtins' is not defined < 1232389114 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1232389120 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1232389120 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl: cdecl < 1232389120 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: help < 1232389120 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: karma karma+ karma- < 1232389120 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta: load reload unload < 1232389120 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: python < 1232389130 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try cdecl :-P < 1232389186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl void (*) () < 1232389186 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1232389193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl void (*foo) () < 1232389193 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare foo as pointer to function returning void < 1232389202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should manage it without the variable names < 1232389209 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't. < 1232389219 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cdecl(1) doesn't < 1232389220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232389224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cdecl int getchar(), c[16], i; < 1232389225 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1232389227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs cdecl? < 1232389230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232389235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232389244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't find C types very hard unless extreme < 1232389247 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name seabot cames from the fact that I made it for ##free-c and it was originally written in C < 1232389255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: meh, bot features are fluff < 1232389258 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well pile them up < 1232389264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like function pointers to function pointers that take arrays of function pointers or whatever < 1232389273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232389287 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma AnMaster < 1232389287 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster has a karma of 0 < 1232389291 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody loves you. < 1232389299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma oklopol < 1232389299 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1232389302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol++ < 1232389302 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1232389305 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389305 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 1. < 1232389305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's this work < 1232389306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389306 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 2. < 1232389307 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389307 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 3. < 1232389307 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389307 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 4. < 1232389307 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 5. < 1232389309 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389310 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 6. < 1232389312 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389312 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 7. < 1232389314 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389314 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 8. < 1232389316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389316 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 1. < 1232389317 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, much better < 1232389317 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 9. < 1232389319 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389319 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 10. < 1232389322 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389322 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 11. < 1232389324 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389325 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 12. < 1232389327 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ oklopol < 1232389327 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's karma raised to 13. < 1232389329 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1232389332 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait AnMaster < 1232389334 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant change your own karma!! < 1232389337 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ ehird_ < 1232389337 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change your own karma, silly. < 1232389339 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifically forbids it < 1232389345 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- ehird_ < 1232389345 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change your own karma, silly. < 1232389349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just did it above? < 1232389353 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try again < 1232389360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, so you fixed it, ok < 1232389361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1232389364 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232389367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think karma is silly < 1232389367 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it always worked for me < 1232389368 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1232389369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232389371 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma egobot < 1232389371 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot has a karma of -1 < 1232389375 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snarky < 1232389378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389378 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 2. < 1232389383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1232389383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail? < 1232389394 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : norm = thing.lower() < 1232389398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, do you lower case one and then compare or something? < 1232389398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389398 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if norm == msg.sender.nick: < 1232389398 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : msg.respond("You can't change your own karma, silly.") < 1232389398 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1232389400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA LOL FAIL < 1232389401 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 3. < 1232389401 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 4. < 1232389401 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 5. < 1232389401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232389405 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232389408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, agreed < 1232389410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: easy to get round it, anyway < 1232389416 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389417 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- AnMaster < 1232389418 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- AnMaster < 1232389418 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma lowered to 4. < 1232389418 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma lowered to 3. < 1232389418 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- AnMaster < 1232389418 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- AnMaster < 1232389419 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma lowered to 2. < 1232389421 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma lowered to 1. < 1232389421 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just balancing it out sry) < 1232389422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1232389427 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1232389429 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ AnMaster < 1232389429 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's karma raised to 2. < 1232389431 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for finding the buggg < 1232389434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!@karma+ ais523 < 1232389435 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ ais523 < 1232389435 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's karma raised to 1. < 1232389440 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- ais523 < 1232389440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D < 1232389440 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's karma lowered to 0. < 1232389443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: you should probably block bots < 1232389443 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy. < 1232389446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ ais523 < 1232389447 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's karma raised to 1. < 1232389447 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: naw < 1232389450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like bots. < 1232389459 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload karma < 1232389459 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not ehird! < 1232389462 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232389464 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitch. < 1232389467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1232389469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232389469 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1232389470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ seabot < 1232389470 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot's karma raised to 3. < 1232389480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the kline
< 1232389482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload karma < 1232389483 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the karma plugin. < 1232389489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about that kline, too many connections from the same host could cause it < 1232389490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1232389490 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is karma? < 1232389494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232389496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only 1 < 1232389502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fungot < 1232389502 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is fungot? < 1232389503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ( ( noise yeah)) the one that's not conspicuous if they're ah laughter you know laughter stuff and ' cause she's packing)) < 1232389503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seabot: ( ( mm mhm mhm)) especially in the afternoon then it would come on fnord laughter laughter mm noise noise)) < 1232389522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python while True: { print "lol < 1232389522 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal (, line 2) < 1232389523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232389526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@python while True: { print "lol" } < 1232389526 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1232389529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol fail < 1232389545 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1232389556 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl: cdecl < 1232389557 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: help < 1232389557 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma: karma karma+ karma- < 1232389557 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta: load reload unload < 1232389557 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: python < 1232389561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload cdecl < 1232389561 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the cdecl plugin. < 1232389563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload help < 1232389563 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the help plugin. < 1232389565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload karma < 1232389565 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the karma plugin. < 1232389567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload python < 1232389567 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the python plugin. < 1232389569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload meta < 1232389569 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloaded the meta plugin. < 1232389574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it does NOTHING :-D < 1232389580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unload < 1232389580 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is unload? < 1232389601 0 :seabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232389607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, enough seabot. < 1232389611 0 :seabot!n=seabot@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me find another bot for us to enjoy! < 1232389623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sooo many... < 1232389666 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, old Endeavour./ < 1232389672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vintage. < 1232389680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'conn' < 1232389682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very vintage. < 1232389742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that again. < 1232389748 0 :Endeavour!n=Endeavou@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO MY BOY < 1232389755 0 :Endeavour!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232389759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232389839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bot.seen[input.nick] = (datetime.now(), input.target, input.text) < 1232389841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the failing line < 1232389848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String or Integer object expected for key, unicode found < 1232389850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1232389853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to str() i guess < 1232389918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written for old python? < 1232389922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1232389929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old? < 1232389936 0 :Endeavour!n=Endeavou@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232389938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen ehird < 1232389941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.seen ehird < 1232389942 0 :Endeavour!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232389945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1232389952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2.4 < 1232390069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232390077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't so old < 1232390092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I would have thought maybe 2.3 or 2.2 < 1232390111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for this channel. :-P < 1232390120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only arrived here 2007 and I htink this bot is early-2008. < 1232390136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: python 2.4 is circa 2004 < 1232390144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 2.3 would have been 2003 or so < 1232390146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that old heh < 1232390148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.2 would have been about 2000 < 1232390153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2.5 took a long time? < 1232390176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 came out in 2006. < 1232390183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 2.4 only lasted 2 years or so. < 1232390197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2.3 would be 2003? < 1232390203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly, yes. < 1232390212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only lasted a single year? < 1232390224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think it came out in 2002 :P < 1232390229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just giving rough years. < 1232390229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232390240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every second year new minor release? < 1232390251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232390252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems about right. < 1232390267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they do quite a few really-minor (toddler?) releases inbetween < 1232390290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "micro" I think is the real name, though "toddler" is funnier < 1232390308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw postgresql call the second digit "major" and the third "minor" < 1232390313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what they call the first < 1232390317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this line, I propose a new term for "early adopter": "pedophile". < 1232390338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too dirty for my taste < 1232390355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those early adopters are a dirty bunch. < 1232390356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, teenager maybe? < 1232390378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls Paul Erdos called children "epsilons"
< 1232390382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would fit, at least for the period around 15 years < 1232390438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I give up on endeavour. < 1232390442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find another bt. < 1232390444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1232390450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endeavours are useless < 1232390456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many do you have in total < 1232390462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like 50 :-P < 1232390463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# bastard: fuck goddamn < 1232390463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# it does irc < 1232390463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# released into the public domain by tusho, 2008 < 1232390467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best. Comment header. Ever. < 1232390476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I recall the discussion surrounding it. < 1232390481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1232390484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we were trying to come up with the most horrible IRC client ever. < 1232390485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the name? < 1232390493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :client or bot? < 1232390494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I decided to run sed over netcat. < 1232390499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: client < 1232390499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232390549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, was it worse than telnet? :D < 1232390559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's only 1 lines long, I never got around to it :P < 1232390564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232390566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232390569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately :( < 1232390616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 = PRINT("HELLO, WORLD!"), GOTO(10) < 1232390620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid Python code. < 1232390640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really? < 1232390648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some input filter? < 1232390655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/364879 < 1232390693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that one doesn't work in the general case does it? < 1232390696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1232390702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1232390726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you have more than one label there < 1232390730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1232390735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if you did: < 1232390742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to actually make control flow with it < 1232390744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 = PRINT("HELLO, "), GOTO(20) < 1232390748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_20 = PRINT("WORLD!"), GOTO(10) < 1232390750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that woul dwork < 1232390752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1232390758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ctx = globals()['_'+str(self.i)] < 1232390760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from GOTO < 1232390762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, antyhing but "print"? < 1232390773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, but you could make something like CALL(func, 1, 2) < 1232390794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also am I right this works through some sort of reflection? < 1232390800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232390803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ctx = globals()['_'+str(self.i)] < 1232390823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232390854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the syntax _10 = classname(...), otherclass(...) do in python? < 1232390856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1232390874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, b is (a,b), a tuple (like a list but immutable) < 1232390880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 is just a random variable name < 1232390880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232390883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a line number < 1232390916 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better on python 3 where exec is a function < 1232390921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232390926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1232390929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no difference < 1232390937 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could lowercase it if you want in that case < 1232390945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1232390947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1232390953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want that < 1232390960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper case is the point. < 1232390960 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1232390964 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shutsu p
< 1232390965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This botte looks like it works < 1232390973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, botte.old/ < 1232390979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have 50 bots named botte, none of which work) < 1232390991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/botte/client.rb:24:in `run': undefined method `feed' for # (NoMethodError) < 1232390993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you keep all bots in under one directory? < 1232390993 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed over netcat? lovely < 1232390995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR NOT < 1232391000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in subdirs by year? < 1232391001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232391010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i keep everything in ~/Code// < 1232391024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a freaking huge dir < 1232391032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ls ~/Code|wc -l < 1232391033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :746 < 1232391036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232391040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, du -sh? < 1232391041 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep things organized by subject < 1232391052 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /usr/src/b | wc -l < 1232391054 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :135 < 1232391055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 723MB < 1232391058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, I keep them by size since my ~/src is too small < 1232391068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: b? < 1232391078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /b/ < 1232391082 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na < 1232391084 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/src/b is my "wii stuff" directory < 1232391085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i doubt it < 1232391092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you write 135 programs about /b/ < 1232391093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232391102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... good point < 1232391105 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did that work, because konversation fucked up) < 1232391108 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:51] <-> #esoteric> /usr/src/b is my "wii stuff" directory < 1232391112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232391127 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I daresay it wouldn't be very hard < 1232391139 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1232391179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, <->? < 1232391190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke it's format string somehow? < 1232391226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232391228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konversation does that < 1232391233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> = send < 1232391234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- = recv < 1232391239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and <->? < 1232391253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"either way"? < 1232391259 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232391262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232391264 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed /msg #esoteric < 1232391265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THING = -> | <- < 1232391267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232391272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } else { < 1232391273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* "offensive programming" */ < 1232391273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf("You SUCK! Go to HELL!\n"); < 1232391273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exit(1); < 1232391273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1232391277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- ~/Code/c-cont/cont.c < 1232391284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1232391294 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird: with konversation for normal channel messages I just get a standard layout < 1232391295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh? What is the if? < 1232391295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, real continuations for C) < 1232391306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also. pastebin that code < 1232391307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1232391308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void restore_context(void) { < 1232391308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (gcont) { < 1232391308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cont_t *old = gcont; < 1232391308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcont = old->next; < 1232391310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exec_context(old); < 1232391314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232391315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232391317 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1232391319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for null < 1232391335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not strictly my code, I'm afraid: it was someone else's toy that I cleaned up the code of (it didn't compile) < 1232391342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote programs actually using it. < 1232391345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, a factor(1). < 1232391352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting < 1232391353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was basically prolog-style. < 1232391360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The API was: < 1232391360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if possible I would very much like to see it < 1232391365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRY(x) -- Returns x, generally. < 1232391366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER < 1232391374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If after a TRY, a FAIL; happens somewhere < 1232391380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we backup to the next TRY, and keep executing after it < 1232391384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the try points are exhausted < 1232391386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232391386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point we fail < 1232391390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Prolog-style. < 1232391398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the actual continuation library was stack smashing < 1232391407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The API definition: < 1232391407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FAIL restore_context() < 1232391407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TRY(x) if (!save_context()) return x < 1232391409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can see that < 1232391420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also had to have a main looking like this: < 1232391422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) < 1232391423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ cont_main(main_, argc, argv); < 1232391423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1232391427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232391433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where main_ is your real main function < 1232391436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1232391437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it needs to grab a stack pointer < 1232391444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it can't return while the program goes < 1232391449 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not portable < 1232391458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: "Stack smashing isn't portable" < 1232391459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit sherlock < 1232391463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are some tricks for getting stack pointer anyway. Boehm-GC does such stuff < 1232391467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works on just about everything < 1232391476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right, but you need to get a base stack pointer < 1232391483 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-x86? < 1232391485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err, let me see if stack smashing works here :D < 1232391489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yes < 1232391496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you pastebin it < 1232391499 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how? < 1232391503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or upload a project with it or so < 1232391507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: it doesn't use asm. < 1232391515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, not very odd, the only thing I can think of where it would break is SPARC < 1232391518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it actually uses longjmp < 1232391522 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the stack can go different directions and shit < 1232391523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1232391524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and setjmp < 1232391527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1232391531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and here's the oh god part < 1232391536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it messes with the jmp_buf < 1232391536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232391541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: you can detect that, the code doesn't but you can < 1232391544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my indeed < 1232391553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, *that* isn't portable < 1232391560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable, n. works on shit < 1232391580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, jmp_buf format is "implementation defined", I'm pretty sure about that < 1232391586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1232391591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually mess with the jmp_buf < 1232391591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232391596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232391602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses the jmp_buf to restore the registers < 1232391602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232391607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with setjmp/longjmp < 1232391609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and? < 1232391611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is normal < 1232391615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but < 1232391616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does is < 1232391621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it mangles the stack to restore it < 1232391624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it does a longjmp < 1232391624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1232391629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the longjmp just contains the position in the stack < 1232391634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it jumps to the right place on the newly-mangled stack < 1232391636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and returns the registers < 1232391646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes longjmp do its bidding, without mangling the jmp_buf :-D < 1232391651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232391653 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232391655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta find the original author of this code < 1232391658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complete genius < 1232391658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this would fail on SPARC I'm pretty sure < 1232391664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I WANT TO SEE IT! < 1232391686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't imagine this working with SPARC's moving register window thingy < 1232391703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I don't have a sparc to test on < 1232391708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1232391712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to test this, please! < 1232391729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1232391738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, here's factor.c < 1232391747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/private/rm5gexu9dbovkfi3jch4g < 1232391788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: rather inefficient :-P < 1232391795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, in that it's copying the stack each integer it tries. < 1232391797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a brute-force. < 1232391812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works: < 1232391812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./factor 4 < 1232391813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4: 2 2 < 1232391814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? any more files? < 1232391820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's just the demo program < 1232391836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the rest? < 1232391840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be patient. < 1232391843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232391854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be me however ;P < 1232391906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/private/yaoobsjszqr9ufddh9znfg < 1232391912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source & examples < 1232391913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, idea: use this and boehm-gc at the same time, watch star collide < 1232391923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source is mostly the other guyses, but with my cleanup and stuff < 1232391928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples are all mine < 1232391995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fibs.c doesn't actually use it for prolog-style backtracking OFC < 1232391999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses it as a continuation < 1232392015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally you want multiple continuations that you can resume at your will and pass around, ofc < 1232392023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left as an excersize to the reader :-P < 1232392037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, < 1232392037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf("fib(%i) = %i\n", i++, fib()); < 1232392037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (i <= 10) FAIL; < 1232392039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing a loop < 1232392045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm splitting files atm, let see < 1232392054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is possibly one of the most perverse behaviors of c code ever witnessed < 1232392094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: running those programs through cpp may help < 1232392115 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1232392118 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm < 1232392133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I think getcontext/setcontext of posix ucontext may actaully do exactly what this code does. < 1232392146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs one of these programs in gdb for shits 'n giggles
< 1232392164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1232392166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing them atm < 1232392177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION step step step step
< 1232392193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it works work -fstack-protector-all for amb at least < 1232392207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. Your stack protector is foiled! < 1232392218 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I found python 1.5.2 on one of my school's servers. :) < 1232392221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is for buffer overwriting on normal return < 1232392226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1232392228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't protect long jump < 1232392233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not a long jump. < 1232392237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually modifies the memory on the stack. < 1232392240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just copies it in place. < 1232392241 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232392247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longjmp is only needed for restoring registers < 1232392255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack smashing would work just as well without of it < 1232392275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and there is no way stack smash protection can work for that case < 1232392280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't return normally < 1232392289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232392295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh btw, does it work on sparc? < 1232392300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1232392308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==17012== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 4 from 1) < 1232392312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it... < 1232392322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elk scheme implementation does continuations in a similar way, I think it has its own special setjmp/longjmp implementation in asm < 1232392324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them are f*ing valgrind clean! < 1232392325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sparc < 1232392326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= < 1232392327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1232392329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA < 1232392329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232392355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok some memory leak < 1232392359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no other stuff < 1232392365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, where? < 1232392371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==17022== 4,560 (2,240 direct, 2,320 indirect) bytes in 10 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 3 of 4 < 1232392372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==17022== at 0x4A0743E: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:207) < 1232392372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==17022== by 0x4008AE: get_context (in /home/arvid/irc/c-cont/fibs) < 1232392372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==17022== by 0x40091B: save_context (in /home/arvid/irc/c-cont/fibs) < 1232392373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1232392376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am dubious as to valgrind's ability to track memory over stack smashing. < 1232392380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's messing up. < 1232392389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I agree, but that is a heap allocation < 1232392394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're right. < 1232392395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never calls free() < 1232392398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does malloc stuff < 1232392411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll be a problem if you do like 50 thousand continuation sets :-P < 1232392446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, to support enterprise grade applications it need to avoid leaking memory < 1232392451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1232392451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1232392467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, oklotalk is so pretty. < 1232392481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the § symbol. < 1232392481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hardcore. < 1232392492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I saw Try/Catch in C today < 1232392498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a non-eso program < 1232392499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy. < 1232392501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me sad < 1232392502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a setjmp/longjmp. < 1232392505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? < 1232392505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1232392509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a legitimate thing < 1232392512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232392517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that makes me even more sad < 1232392523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :P < 1232392530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw: http://rafb.net/p/lwMx7W92.html < 1232392548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, seen it. < 1232392552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit bloated :-P < 1232392555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unbalanced blocks too < 1232392557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232392568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1232392589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception__catch < 1232392591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it < 1232392607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right. < 1232392610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it has to come after a try. < 1232392618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for Try, unbalanced too < 1232392619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232392622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no duh < 1232392625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a try, then a catch < 1232392628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is sad < 1232392630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232392645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it breaks code folding in this editor :,( < 1232392656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1232392656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232392698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you laughed at something I said? YES! < 1232392745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw have you seen the build systems (yes plural) of libpng? < 1232392768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232392800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 1) lots of makfiles like makefile.gcc, makfile.vms and what not, around 40 or so I think, 2) autoconf 3) cmake. All in parallel < 1232392821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232392824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1232392826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure 2 at once when you are changing, but 3 at once... from such different periods < 1232392830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know < 1232392852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew < 1232392859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a fan of the "just make it, if there's a system issue change the vars in the makefile" approach
< 1232392942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is what optipng uses, and you need to change in several makefiles, since it uses one for the main program, one for the included and modified libpng, one for (again modified) zlib, and one for some "pngxtern" < 1232392953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I needed to debug something, so 4 places to add -g, compile < 1232392959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find out it passes -s in LDFLAGS < 1232392961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that is not my system :-P < 1232392964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit again in 4 places < 1232392967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recompile, < 1232392969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that is not my system :-P < 1232392977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find that make clean does not work as advertised < 1232392979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix < 1232392981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean again < 1232392983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recompile < 1232392990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is awful < 1232392997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, autoconf would be a step up < 1232393010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that you can do system detection in plain make. < 1232393019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with things like uname :_P < 1232393020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232393026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? Let me check < 1232393032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a copy of nmake
< 1232393040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn don't think I have that < 1232393051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nmake is almost gnu make, IIRC < 1232393060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly no uname :-) < 1232393064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run the windows specific command and check that < 1232393065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err no it is microsoft make with a totally different syntax < 1232393065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1232393067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1232393073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, iirc, you're wrong. < 1232393089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I might be, it was years since I last had to deal with it < 1232393114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I don't have any windows around < 1232393115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, my old DDoSing program < 1232393141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf... dev-dotnet/gluezilla? (something depended on it. trying to figure out what the heck it is < 1232393149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mono, wth pulled that in < 1232393166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ddos program was a random fuzz checker too :P < 1232393180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it catted /dev/urandom to nc massively parallely < 1232393193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fun < 1232393197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. What happened to the package dep graph < 1232393199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232393225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time gentoo package manager broke for me ever. And that is since 2004 < 1232393236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is when I started using gentoo) < 1232393286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs! < 1232393310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/PnQjW524.html < 1232393318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what the hell happened < 1232393325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks around
< 1232393360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the mono one was easy to fix < 1232393848 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-4-202.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232394142 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232394411 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There's a module called tabnanny in Python :) < 1232394425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whassit do < 1232394448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab. < 1232394781 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232394815 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232394821 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1232394892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is there something like "perldoc" but for python? < 1232394903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pydoc < 1232394909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1232395627 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-174.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232395887 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232397493 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232397772 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232399014 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-174.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232399443 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232399467 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This topic unintentionally left unblank. < 1232401013 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1232401193 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232402514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.uncool.in/2009/01/19/computer-science-fail-higher-education-in-india/ < 1232402518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… Linux is basically a DOS based OS. < 1232402524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compiler is a software that converts code written in a particular programming language to machine code. To compile a program, you must hit ALT+F9. < 1232402528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first high level language was Ada, also known as Smalltalk < 1232402532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETCETCETC < 1232402663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additional lulz: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7qvdj/the_first_high_level_programming_language_was_ada/ < 1232402801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compiler is a software that converts code written in a particular programming language to machine code. To compile a program, you must hit ALT+F9. <<< xD < 1232402843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol :p < 1232402845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232402862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a proof is a sequence of easily verifiable steps, in formal mathematics axioms or rules derived from them... to prove you use a pencil and you write "->"'s that mean "follows from"" < 1232402874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :-D < 1232402883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay that had a few errors, but joke should be correct anyway. < 1232402940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is no joke sir! this are truth! < 1232402962 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, oklopol, i now have a semi-workable version of my language :) < 1232402977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooool. i have a few new books \o/ < 1232402994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: is it the graph thing < 1232402995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232402996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :how much could a if a could ? < 1232402996 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall i bring my bot in here so you can poke at it? :P < 1232402998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the rewrite thing < 1232403001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tree < 1232403002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1232403008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i should go read soon. < 1232403011 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph thing is my linguistics project :p < 1232403031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a of it prolly < 1232403037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oic < 1232403041 0 :AntiGravityBot!n=blah@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232403054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: !! < 1232403070 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232403080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure < 1232403081 0 :AntiGravityBot!n=agbot@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232403085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there thats better. < 1232403092 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proper n=. < 1232403094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you restarted it to change the ident? < 1232403095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? < 1232403099 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :p < 1232403106 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im neurotic about these things sir! < 1232403143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232403145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it run. < 1232403148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of works for what i want. i need to improve it tho. its just prototyped right now. < 1232403153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP BEING NEUROTIC OR I'LL SPANK YOU. OH WAIT. < 1232403154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run in what sense? < 1232403158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: AntiGravityBot. < 1232403160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use it. < 1232403163 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232403164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it just sit there. < 1232403166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: 5 + 5 < 1232403166 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1232403170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: 1 / 0 < 1232403171 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity < 1232403175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: {APOW£" < 1232403175 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: contains unbound variables < 1232403180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: crash fucker < 1232403180 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(crash fucker) < 1232403186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: \n < 1232403186 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ n) < 1232403188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: "\n" < 1232403188 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("\ n ") < 1232403198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: (1 / 0) + 2 < 1232403198 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1232403202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232403215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: sin pi < 1232403215 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sin pi) < 1232403219 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** is its current way of saying "this is not possible" < 1232403221 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232403226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: suck a bum < 1232403226 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(suck a bum) < 1232403239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AntiGravityBot: 1+2 < 1232403240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: um, Infinity+1 is very well defined < 1232403243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Infinity+2 < 1232403248 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no thats not what i mean :p < 1232403271 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity itself is not defined in the system. its relying on the ruby's math facilities to do math, see < 1232403278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AntiGravityBot: SUPPORT TAB COMPLETION YOU INFIDEL! < 1232403284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does 1 / 0 and ruby kicks back Infinity < 1232403299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: now make its prefix its actual nick < 1232403303 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this gets converted back into a string < 1232403309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine :P < 1232403312 0 :AntiGravityBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232403317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232403319 0 :agbot!n=agbot@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232403320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is interesting about it < 1232403323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? :P < 1232403325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whell < 1232403326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not seeing anything more than basic arithmetic atm < 1232403340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: fac 0 = 1 < 1232403340 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: fac 0 = 1 < 1232403352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define functions < 1232403352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: fac N = N*(fac (N-1)) < 1232403352 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: fac N = N*(fac (N-1)) < 1232403354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoop de doo < 1232403356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232403359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it get interesting? < 1232403360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: fac 5 < 1232403360 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 < 1232403369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: fac 10000000 < 1232403371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broked it. :-) < 1232403375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: fac 1 < 1232403375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its running < 1232403379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes. < 1232403380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watching it evaluate that < 1232403383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll run until we get bored. < 1232403391 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232403401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where's the interesting part < 1232403406 0 :agbot!n=agbot@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232403408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hush you < 1232403414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a question < 1232403415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer it < 1232403417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: now is there any of that nondeterministic stuff? < 1232403424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not yet < 1232403426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: X my== X = true < 1232403426 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: X my== X = true < 1232403434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when was the last time you made anything interesting? :P < 1232403435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that syntax? < 1232403437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ugly syntax. < 1232403439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: _ my== _ = false < 1232403439 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: _ my== _ = false < 1232403441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: all the time :P < 1232403443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just never release it. < 1232403453 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: 1 my== 2 < 1232403453 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false < 1232403457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: 1 my== 1 < 1232403457 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232403464 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, trivial, i know. :P < 1232403477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232403477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you don't finish and release it, it never existed. < 1232403480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that its using full blown unification based pattern matching on its rules < 1232403484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the interesting part psygnisfive < 1232403497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like oklotalk < 1232403503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define things like lists ground up, in a sense. < 1232403505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my point exactly. < 1232403511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1232403511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: first nil = error < 1232403512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you mean like in any language ever? < 1232403512 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: first nil = error < 1232403518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not impressed yet. < 1232403526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not trying to impress you, funnily enough < 1232403527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point was i was just referring to my own incapability to finish a project after realizing how to finish it. < 1232403544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i was assuming it was esoteric in some kind of way. < 1232403557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, since you were talking about the lang in #esoteric. and brought the bot here < 1232403562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew you couldn't just play along, people lose some sense of spotting sarcasm when you attack them < 1232403565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its esoteric in the sense that its thue with syntactic variables. < 1232403566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's impossible anyhow :D < 1232403590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if thue as eso then this is mildly less so :P < 1232403590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your puns are pretty impressive < 1232403600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: a = a < 1232403600 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: a = a < 1232403603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: a < 1232403603 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232403609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: a X = a X < 1232403609 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined: a X = a X < 1232403611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: a < 1232403611 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232403612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: a 2 < 1232403615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1232403617 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232403620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byebye < 1232403623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, you sent it into an infinite loop :P < 1232403626 0 :agbot!n=agbot@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232403632 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats another thing im going to change in the next version < 1232403633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agbot: ¡¶§¶åß®†∞¶ÂfiflÂÍfl < 1232403634 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡¶§¶åß®†∞¶ÂfiflÂÍfl < 1232403675 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1232403681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it help if i explained the language? :P < 1232403698 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1232403698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1232403703 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey adimit < 1232403703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that generally helps. < 1232403706 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had fun with that thing today already < 1232403710 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey psygnisfive < 1232403712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i imagine it does, ehird :P < 1232403765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()[]{} are all individual symbols any time they appear. () is used to group things into trees in the text -- the interp never sees parens themselves < 1232403765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if it's thue-based shouldn't the order of equations be irrelevant? < 1232403786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything starting with a capital letter is a syntactic variable < 1232403797 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else is a symbol < 1232403802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean? < 1232403817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X my== X = true < 1232403821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ my== _ = false < 1232403831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in defining things? no. because variables + pattern matching introduces certain issues < 1232403844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: can you make it trace < 1232403849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is only fun if you see every step < 1232403870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, non-alphanumerics produce separate symbols. so a+b is a, +, c. a++b is a, ++, b, etc. < 1232403888 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each _ is a dummy variable that uniformly matches anything but doesnt unify < 1232403906 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: im going to do those things in the next version. its very primitive right now. < 1232403917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding tracing cannot possibly be hard. < 1232403921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not < 1232403933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a step function, and a step-until-constant function, so just add an irc output in the step < 1232403945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way i evaluate it currently is using recursive evaluation, as opposed to iterative. < 1232403951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1232403959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version will be properly iterative so itll work better. < 1232403970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll come back in 5 years < 1232403979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about in maybe two weeks? < 1232403980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232403994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes you two weeks to rewrite an interpreter for that? < 1232403995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1232403998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schools going to start and i have stuff to do before then. i only worked on this yesterday because i wanted to experiment < 1232404011 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no writing the interpreter isnt what takes time dude < 1232404011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, gimme the code and I'll add a trace < 1232404026 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey psygnisfive < 1232404030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, its horrible code. and you dont understand the garbage i put into it. and its not even close to working properly < 1232404034 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to experiment? < 1232404043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like way pre alpha right now. < 1232404052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when its more mature ill start distributing code. < 1232404053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've patched oklopol's awful code before. < 1232404059 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ sexually? < 1232404060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is absolutely no way yours is worse. < 1232404073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you? < 1232404078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when 8| < 1232404079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code, it burns < 1232404082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ages ago < 1232404084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: im sure you have. and im sure mine could easily be worse. but im self-conscious about my code. < 1232404085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which code? < 1232404094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklotalk-- or something I think < 1232404110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLereah 5:28 I have stuff in my bums D: < 1232404110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLereah 5:28 It is cause for alarm < 1232404113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the AIMs. < 1232404116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- is quite good code on a conceptual level. < 1232404122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, I'd play with it if it traced. < 1232404124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it's not very pretty < 1232404127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah. on a conceptual level ::::P < 1232404132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol when do we get oklotalk < 1232404133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it < 1232404144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: give me a little bit to do that and you can play all you want. < 1232404155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have to go back to working on my database project. < 1232404162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to get myself to add at least a few hours of coding to my weeks, it's simply dropped out with all the university shit < 1232404173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to build this db system, analyze the data, and then also do some work on my ling project < 1232404177 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by next monday, preferably. < 1232404179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk will be finished in _good_ time before duke nukem forever, i'm sure < 1232404186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause ive slacked a bit this past month :p < 1232404190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oklotalk will probably not be my next language to complete. < 1232404203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but if you did oklotalk the other langs could be written in oklotalk. < 1232404205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys < 1232404207 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232404211 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1232404218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont break my bot :P < 1232404231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least clue and a simple version of muture should probably appear before it < 1232404240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i won't. < 1232404255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also, the interp is running inside textmate, which means its probably slow, so infinite loops are painful on my system. < 1232404264 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dont loop it :| < 1232404264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: true. if i made all of it, then probably yes. also that would be insanely cool. < 1232404273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1232404301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then you could just, like, write oklotalk in oklotalk < 1232404308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrapping? who gives a fuckshit < 1232404312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run programs in my mind < 1232404323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1232404363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. wells are holes with water. < 1232404374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1232404676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Prodego> yes, and you really shouldn't be /on/ the network while klined < 1232404680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1232404691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232404782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to leave, 00:37 and i haven't gotten pretty much anything done. irc is so fucking addictive. < 1232404803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can, that is. < 1232404827 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232405089 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232405103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode are hostile, incompetent fucks failing to run a shitty network. < 1232405121 0 :sriracha!n=sriracha@cpe-76-187-11-53.tx.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1232405129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really supposed to be here? ;D < 1232405167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1232405200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, being here is against freenode policy at the moment -- and I don't give a shit because it's the fault of a shitty auto-Kliner written by the incompetent fucks. < 1232405200 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1232405206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: disregard me. < 1232405207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm angry. < 1232405210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1232405211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually having to remind himself how unimportant this is, otherwise he would be angry on ehird's behalf
< 1232405217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232405232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: not much at the moment, collectively, it seems < 1232405237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can speak on behalf of this channel. < 1232405244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that would be neat. If I could. < 1232405251 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see... < 1232405251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scaring the newbie aren't I. Oh dear. < 1232405257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232405281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay I'll pass this on to oerjan :P < 1232405281 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh it's ok < 1232405315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a newbie? < 1232405324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sriracha looks new to me. < 1232405326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong. < 1232405337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say hello to our newbie < 1232405337 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay well we can we walk pretty much everywhere so it was really < 1232405359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1232405359 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher* ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1232405361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1232405361 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1232405366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: be slightly more coherent < 1232405366 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i don't read much of cll lately :) hot showers seem so much better :) < 1232405372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oic < 1232405373 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: now calamari has set up a poll about the most useless key, sysrq is currently tied for the lead, anyway? who needs to learn how to write it < 1232405383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: Have you sacrificed the obligatory amount of goats yet? < 1232405409 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more of a sacrificing kittens and puppies type of person... < 1232405449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cuter the better! < 1232405462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm tired...) < 1232405469 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow...what did i get myself into  < 1232405472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this one of those actual magick guys we sometimes get when our topic is misleading? < 1232405480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1232405484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: what brings you here? < 1232405496 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually trying to figure out how to use IRC < 1232405502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1232405511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you've come to the right place! Sort of. Kinda. :-) < 1232405515 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i chose a random channel < 1232405536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're actually about esoteric programming languages. (How boring, right? :|) < 1232405550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGS MISSING FROM TOPIC < 1232405554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1232405558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :LGOS < 1232405559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :LOGS < 1232405561 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1232405566 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about programming < 1232405571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1232405578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a bot that screams that if someone edits topic and the logs are missing < 1232405584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: Neither do we, that's why we're here (ok, that's a bad joke :-P) < 1232405588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also: ha. ha. < 1232405588 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: here is the place to learn it. < 1232405598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit: um that might be a bad choice of place :D < 1232405614 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, I learned bass on a six-string fretless... < 1232405626 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa...how'd you guys send a message to me directly like that? < 1232405631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: oic <-- what did cll mean? < 1232405631 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (The logs are missing!) < 1232405631 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The logs are missing!) < 1232405632 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better put...what's the command? < 1232405633 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok what it was when i first saw it i knew it once but must not have been merged and info on how too view it. < 1232405636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: Hm? < 1232405638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1232405639 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was pretty useless. < 1232405640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's /msg. < 1232405646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg person message. < 1232405652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a new window for them, /query person. < 1232405672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1232405680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1232405688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not knowing irc :( < 1232405694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric < 1232405716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, he's a newbie. < 1232405720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being elitist. < 1232405720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well he (or maybe she) said that < 1232405743 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a "he" < 1232405743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sneaky topic < 1232405743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey you are like that to me when it comes to some stuff < 1232405756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how so? < 1232405765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mistype? < 1232405766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232405766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232405781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232405783 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval %eval < 1232405784 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval < 1232405788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232405813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night btw < 1232405820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think CLL was comp.lang.lisp. < 1232405828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right, night < 1232405831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie. < 1232405841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hi to the person who randomly came in here when trying to figure out how to use irc! < 1232405847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( sriracha ) < 1232405848 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232405849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232405861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi to anyone who's hi-able, although I'll be gone in half an hour or so. < 1232405880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who isn't hi-able? < 1232405887 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you guys more or less know each other? < 1232405893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... there is also #,0 pretty common to get there by mistake < 1232405895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1232405908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: for a certain value of "know" < 1232405914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't try that < 1232405918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sriracha: not really < 1232405920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never met any of the others in person < 1232405923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean the biblical sense of "know", I guess? < 1232405924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1232405934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats fizzie -----###
< 1232405935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not many people in here so we know pretty much all the non-idlers. < 1232405940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the newbies! < 1232405942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bot by the way. < 1232405942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, tomorrow. i thought the wrong way. < 1232405953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, have you tried the channel #2,000? Very newbie friendly I heard < 1232405955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a computer program that sits on IRC.] < 1232405960 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bot today too < 1232405962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah that was funny in like 2006 < 1232405984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I have seen it work, using some strange unicode thing instead of , on a network that allowed that < 1232405989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused the hell out of me < 1232406025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since I could join it by copy and paste by not by typing :P < 1232406035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(until I found out a bit later) < 1232406236 0 :agbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232406267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum de dmu < 1232406268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dum < 1232406346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((hum de dum de)S:^):^ < 1232406346 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum dehum de dum d ...too much output! < 1232406353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1232406389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels dehumanized
< 1232406432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((what )S:^):^ < 1232406432 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what ...too much output! < 1232406437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really now < 1232406445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((...too much output! )S:^):^ < 1232406445 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...t ...too much output! < 1232406469 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((oo much output! ...t)S:^):^ < 1232406469 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too m ...too much output! < 1232406502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((put! ...too much out)S:^):^ < 1232406503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! < 1232406508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1232406523 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:^):^ < 1232406524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1232406580 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232406584 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s i) i) ((s i) i)) < 1232406587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, "out of patience" would have been more accurate there. < 1232406590 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((loop i) (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i < 1232406629 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want to look up the Y combinator. < 1232406646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232406655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we scared sriracha away. < 1232406671 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k) foo) < 1232406671 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232406676 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION frowns
< 1232406696 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k) < 1232406697 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232406708 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((s s)k) < 1232406709 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((s z) (k z))] < 1232406757 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k)) < 1232406758 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k) z) ((k ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k)) z))] < 1232406767 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k)) foo) < 1232406768 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo (((s ((s s) k)) (k foo)) ((k ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k)) foo))) < 1232406780 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k)) < 1232406780 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k) z) ((k ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k)) z))] < 1232406791 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (hold (((s s)k)((s(k((s s)(s((s s)k)))))k))) < 1232406791 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hold (((s s) k) ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k))) < 1232406802 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to add spaces myself. < 1232406831 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language whose valid programs are KH(A^n)N, where the number of As is converted to opcodes < 1232406941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232406943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (A)(~:(A)*~(KH)~*(N)*S~:^):^ < 1232406943 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHANKHAANKHAAANKHAAAANKHAAAAANKHAAAAAANKHAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKHAAA ...too much output! < 1232406947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure < 1232406952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (A)(~:(A)*~(KH)~*(N )*S~:^):^ < 1232406953 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAN KHAAN KHAAAN KHAAAAN KHAAAAAN KHAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN KHAAAAAAA ...too much output! < 1232406979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( ...too much output!)S(()S:^):^ < 1232406980 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much output! ...out of time! < 1232406986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( ...out of time!)S(()S:^):^ < 1232406987 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! ...out of time! < 1232407008 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%temp ((lambda (fix) input) (((s s) k) ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k))) < 1232407015 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it again. < 1232407030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1232407032 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reset < 1232407036 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used lambda instead of l. < 1232407044 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%temp ((l (fix) input) (((s s) k) ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k))) < 1232407050 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god you kids with your languages < 1232407055 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, what is that? < 1232407059 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is what? < 1232407072 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%temp < 1232407095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval fnord < 1232407096 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1232407101 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval fix < 1232407101 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k) z) ((k ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k)) z))] < 1232407129 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sets the evaluation template. Any expression you give to kerlobot is substituted for input in the template before it's used. < 1232407204 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, I want the function to take itself, then take an argument, then return the argument a'd to itself... or something like that, anyway. < 1232407235 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((fix (l (self) (l (x) (a x self)))) 3) < 1232407235 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3 ((s ((s s) k)) (k (l (self) (l (3) (a 3 self))))) ((k ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k)) (l (self) (l (3) (a 3 self))))) < 1232407244 0 :sriracha!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232407253 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1232407315 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't evaluate self before passing it to a. < 1232407335 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to do that... < 1232407445 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, SillyLisp isn't for serious programming anyway. That's what SaneLisp is for. < 1232407494 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times have I mentioned that I don't know why SKI calculus in SillyLisp works? < 1232407520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232407533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically each of S, K and I happen to work < 1232407544 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval s < 1232407544 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232407547 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval k < 1232407547 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) x)] < 1232407550 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval i < 1232407550 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) x] < 1232407564 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm... < 1232407580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable capture is not a problem as long as you only pass closed expressions < 1232407597 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variable capture? < 1232407615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when variable definitions shadow each other < 1232407626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the problem you get when you don't rename < 1232407636 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how variable substitution in SillyLisp works? < 1232407663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are just doing it naively < 1232407676 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty naively, yes. < 1232407688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring alpha conversion < 1232407691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x y) x) y foo) < 1232407691 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1232407692 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232407782 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(k foo), where foo is an arbitrary expression, will evaluate to [l (y) foo]. If foo contains any y's, those will be replaced when that's applied to something. < 1232407787 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((k y) 6) < 1232407787 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1232407802 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((k s) 6) < 1232407802 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232407816 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no idea what you guys are doing :( < 1232407818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if ... oh wait < 1232407824 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1232407827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there could be a problem < 1232407837 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (k s) < 1232407837 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) s] < 1232407841 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1232407855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if foo contains both y's and what y's are replaced with < 1232407858 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s doesn't contain anything at all! < 1232407870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232407881 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only when it's evaluated that stuff happens. < 1232407892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't expand s and k until they are applied, yeah that makes things safe < 1232407897 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232407928 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expand anything at all unless it's evaluated. < 1232408008 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluating (x y z . . .) causes x to be evaluated. After something is evaluated, the result is also evaluated, effectively. Also, f causes some stuff to be evaluated. < 1232408019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ([l (x) (x x)] s) < 1232408019 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) (l (z) ((s z) (y z)))] < 1232408038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no sharing < 1232408046 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x)) s) < 1232408046 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) (l (z) ((s z) (y z)))] < 1232408054 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using brackets is cheating. :-P < 1232408107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was some difference < 1232408121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1232408148 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (foo) (I AM A HOT DOG)) (l (foo) (no ain't))) < 1232408148 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I AM A HOT DOG) < 1232408153 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1232408167 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get those mixed up. < 1232408170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense to me. < 1232408185 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (foo) (l (foo) (no ain't))) (I AM A HOT DOG)) < 1232408185 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(l ((I AM A HOT DOG)) (no ain't)) < 1232408196 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (foo) [l (foo) (no ain't)]) (I AM A HOT DOG)) < 1232408196 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (foo) (no ain't)] < 1232408207 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brackets protect l's first argument from substitution. < 1232408339 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is cheating, of course. < 1232408344 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'll be more specific. < 1232408382 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About f evaluating stuff, that is. < 1232408449 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"godnatt på er" < 1232408460 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232408462 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f func e list), where list is a non-empty list, evaluates func and (f func e ) before evaluating its result. < 1232408512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fold < 1232408557 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"l" is lambda, what is "s"? < 1232408561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI calculus < 1232408564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for s, k and i < 1232408567 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (f (THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) e (1 2 3 4 54 5 6 7 8 9 0 10)) < 1232408567 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 1 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 2 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 3 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 4 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 54 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 5 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 6 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 7 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 8 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 9 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 0 ((THIS IS FUN, EH MATE) 10 e)))))))))))) < 1232408567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval s < 1232408567 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] < 1232408569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval k < 1232408569 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) (l (y) x)] < 1232408570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval o < 1232408571 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232408572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232408574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval i < 1232408575 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) x] < 1232408594 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%show < 1232408608 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%what < 1232408608 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((l (fix) input) (((s s) k) ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k))) < 1232408690 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval x < 1232408691 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1232408693 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval s x < 1232408694 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232408698 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (s x) < 1232408699 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z)))] < 1232408703 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (l x) < 1232408703 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(l x) < 1232408717 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l x (x)) x) < 1232408718 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((l x (x)) x) < 1232408722 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((s x)) < 1232408722 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z)))]) < 1232408733 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ([l x (x)] x) < 1232408733 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232408738 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l takes a list as its first argument. < 1232408743 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your argument is invalid. < 1232408748 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry.) < 1232408751 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I supposed to know that :) < 1232408755 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x)) x) < 1232408755 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x) < 1232408761 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x x)) x) < 1232408761 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x x x) < 1232408763 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x x)) y) < 1232408763 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y y y) < 1232408768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: omniscience. < 1232408788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, freenode have a link to these logs as part of my email about the kline < 1232408796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I could get clog to erase the anti-freenode lines? < 1232408804 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1232408809 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((k f) g) < 1232408809 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232408860 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what were you klined for? < 1232408864 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (s (k y) (k z) x) < 1232408864 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] (k y) (k z) x) < 1232408880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: nothing: I was offline when it was done. < 1232408898 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you saying "oh shit", then? < 1232408912 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: the SKI functions don't really like it when you pass x, y and z to them. < 1232408920 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (s (k Y) (k Z) X) < 1232408921 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] (k Y) (k Z) X) < 1232408931 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently they handled it well this time. < 1232408934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: cuz I called freenode incompetent fucks in the log that I linked them < 1232408935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232408948 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1232408976 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode without you would be... different. < 1232408991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sthat a word for "better"? ;) < 1232408998 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (q q) < 1232408999 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(q q) < 1232408999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more quiet, polite... < 1232409003 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (k k) < 1232409003 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) k] < 1232409008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Harsh, man. Harsh. < 1232409031 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (l (x) (x x))(l (x) (x x)) < 1232409031 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232409038 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x)) (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409039 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409047 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That terminated quickly. < 1232409070 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((x < 1232409070 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error < 1232409079 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what did you expect that to accomplish? < 1232409095 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1232409101 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it can handle recursion to a depth of 1000. If you want to hang it, use really wide recursion. < 1232409126 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (loop x) < 1232409127 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop x) < 1232409149 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop is nothing special. < 1232409177 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me make it siller. < 1232409180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232409180 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sillier, rather. < 1232409193 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creamy is the puff. < 1232409193 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232409200 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232409213 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%temp ((l (fix) input) (((s s) k) ((s (k ((s s) (s ((s s) k))))) k))) < 1232409218 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (fix i) < 1232409232 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits
< 1232409252 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval meep? < 1232409276 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it hanged. < 1232409290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lca2srv30.epfl.ch/sathe/data/emacs_learning_curves.png < 1232409297 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232409354 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232409384 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it did that. < 1232409390 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... < 1232409390 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x)) (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409391 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409406 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't even save it. < 1232409406 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232409412 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232409414 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x)) (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409414 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409428 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I did. < 1232409449 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more time... < 1232409449 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232409456 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232409459 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((l (x) (x x)) (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409460 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((IT IS LOOP SORRY) (l (x) (x x))) < 1232409467 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth spamming the channel for, isn't it. < 1232409473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS LOOP SORRY < 1232409479 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS LOOP SORRY < 1232409487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((s i i) (s i i)) < 1232409487 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(([l (x) (l (y) (l (z) ((x z) (y z))))] i i) (s i i)) < 1232409493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s i) i) ((s i) i)) < 1232409500 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((YOU ARE LOOP SORRY) i) (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i (i < 1232409500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS LOOP SORRY??????? < 1232409502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232409506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LOOP SORRY? < 1232409506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232409517 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sometimes it says YOU ARE LOOP SORRY instead. < 1232409520 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232409522 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, um, diagnostic reasons. < 1232410295 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232410882 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232411075 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232412420 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232413505 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god you kids X_X < 1232413529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys remember when psygnisfive called us all kids? that was funny < 1232413557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you dont think im using that in reference to your respective ages. < 1232413633 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call everyone "kids" or "children" for mostly humorous effect because of its odd inappropriateness from me (as i'm not in a position to call others kids, given that im only 22). its postmodern humor, ehird. < 1232413640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its steeped in irony < 1232413657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't be such a little brat < 1232413689 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you get the jimmy carr reference in that, i love you forever and ever. < 1232413707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys remember when psygnisfive reacted to a joke with 5 long lines? that was funny < 1232413758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: im bored. tell me about some new and interesting esolang. < 1232413941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muture < 1232413947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& nopol < 1232413968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopol has never been much explained to me. i've never heard of muture. < 1232413979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask oklopol < 1232413986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they both his? < 1232413989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232413997 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. then i'll NEVER get an explanation :p < 1232413999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol makes pretty much all of the interesting esolangs nowadays < 1232414020 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1232414022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain muture < 1232414131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i miss you being tusho. :( < 1232414136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough shit < 1232414158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're a herd. on the internet. x.x < 1232414184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily. < 1232414516 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SillyLisp! :-P < 1232414529 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to make another esolang one of these days. < 1232414600 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make an esolang generator < 1232414618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that takes BF and comes up with bizarre but TC derivations < 1232414653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can just set it running and tell other people to not even bother with making BF-like languages ever again. < 1232414666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it an esolang description esolang < 1232414670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it a template, it makes esolangs. < 1232414803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232414811 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232414824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the benefit of something like the language im designing is that it'd probably be especially good for creating DSLs < 1232414845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__, chalmers.se? < 1232414848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: have you sacrificed the goat yet? or are you earlier in the initiation process < 1232414851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a university? < 1232414863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at http://chalmers.se/, yes, i'd say it was. < 1232414866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what on earth sparked that question... < 1232414884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's logging on through them it seems. < 1232414893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to ask, ski__ what do you study? < 1232414904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally people log onto IRC with network connections :p < 1232414915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but his is a university network connection < 1232414922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we should have a descriptive topic what with all the newbies these days. < 1232414935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there a lot of newbies recently? < 1232414936 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(psygnisfive : yes) < 1232414940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent been paying much attention < 1232414951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the international hub for enterprise esoteric programming language design, development and deployment ~ http://esolangs.org/wiki/ ~ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1232414954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the international hub for enterprise esoteric programming language design, development and deployment ~ http://esolangs.org/wiki/ ~ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232414954 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on what you were asking ..) < 1232414968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's semi-descriptive! < 1232414969 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : which goat ? < 1232414975 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks confused
< 1232414976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: that one over there ------> < 1232415001 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION see an elegant keyboard "over there" ..
< 1232415008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a goat. < 1232415013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: im looking at http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/muture.txt and not finding it to be especially.. insightful. :p < 1232415014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to trick you. they're sneaky things. < 1232415020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we must sacrifice them. < 1232415034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's oklopol, what did you expect? < 1232415035 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(, if anyone wonders) < 1232415047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: that's a nasty goat, that < 1232415048 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1232415053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to slay that pronto < 1232415056 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never liked the datamancer keyboards < 1232415065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're normal keyboards with a steampunk veneer < 1232415066 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird : as in .. SLAY Radio ?) < 1232415078 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what i want to see is someone convert an old Corona < 1232415079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. as in kill. with your bare hands < 1232415085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt they teach you anything in the initiation? ;-) < 1232415102 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__ also kill your excessive parens. much as we love lisp, we dont need to speak in it < 1232415118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like them < 1232415122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parentheses are ((parenthical)) < 1232415125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or (do? we) (not (do? we))) < 1232415130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( parenthicalicious, even ) < 1232415142 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird : "parenthetical", itym) < 1232415150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: watch out for oerjan, by the way. he swats people indiscriminately. < 1232415150 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me about 5 tries to say parenthicalicious < 1232415163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it would be hard if you have a lisp < 1232415168 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what "swat" means
< 1232415174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a fly swatter. < 1232415176 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(psygnisfive : btw, yes) < 1232415179 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why? its only got one s! < 1232415181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyswatter < 1232415194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he swats people with it. normally after they make a pun that's worse than one of his. < 1232415222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, if you love parens, theres a book written by some crazy french person who's used so many parenthetical asides that the text is incomprehensible < 1232415232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: sounds excellent < 1232415236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want is a book that is just like < 1232415236 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single sentences have upwards of like 7 or 8 nestings < 1232415239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things happened.[1] < 1232415244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Specific things[2], in fact[3]. < 1232415249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] These thin (blah blah) < 1232415252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3] Where fact is subjective. < 1232415257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole book is just nested footnoes < 1232415257 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom most nestings being like.. paragraphs sometimes < 1232415259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*footnotes < 1232415268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the whole book < 1232415273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top-down book writing :-D < 1232415277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well < 1232415279 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like footnotes < 1232415280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is Ibid < 1232415302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole book is a book of foot notes to a missing text < 1232415320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232415324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, endnotes. but still < 1232415335 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=2400949 < 1232415359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki/index.html?curid=2400949? < 1232415362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres another book that consists entirely of reviews of the book itself. < 1232415362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some old link. < 1232415367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1232415371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglas hofstadter had that idea < 1232415371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1232415375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in godel, escher, bach < 1232415380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid:_A_Life < 1232415389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that might be where i got it from :) < 1232415409 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never be sure, because goodness knows its not as tho some poet wouldn't make something like that < 1232415513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Review: A Review. The review in question is an odd one, as it is entirely on the subject of itself. This creates an interesting metaness leaving no actual content beyond self-reference to the review. Wholly interesting. ***** < 1232415622 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232415705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this genuine? < 1232415707 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (i x) < 1232415707 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1232415718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I just wrote it :) < 1232415720 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232415722 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232415722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1232415753 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232415754 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232415825 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (s (l (x) (l (y) he x y)) (l (x) x o) l) < 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(Connection reset by peer) < 1232427898 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232428734 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232428736 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232428767 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232428774 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232429513 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232430379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/muture.txt <<< psygnisfive, ais523 rev-enged it. < 1232430398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw < 1232430409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232430413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did now? < 1232430418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :p < 1232430423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked through the logs and found it < 1232430425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like time ago < 1232430431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1232430508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very haskellish, obviously, but what im not sure about is the definition of sim < 1232430509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably try to write a spec or something, muture i at least think i understand myself, as opposed to, say, contfuck and noprob. < 1232430524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, on the one hand i sort of understand it < 1232430536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're missing a pattern < 1232430540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's more just general functional stuff with pattern matching. < 1232430547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| isn't what it is in haskell < 1232430550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an "or" < 1232430566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not what "or" is in imperative langs ofc. more like "one of these, i dunno which" < 1232430573 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, the definition where its not x:xs y:ys but rather where its nil y:ys or x:xs nil < 1232430604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's actually a bug, although less serious than you think < 1232430607 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, sim [1] [1,2] will fail when it gets to sim [] [2] < 1232430611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i'll fixor. < 1232430620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no it won't fail < 1232430628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it will < 1232430631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wont match either definition < 1232430640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wont match sim [] [], nor sim x:xs y:ys < 1232430643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will just be suboptimal because it'll have to match the last two elements together < 1232430645 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just falls through < 1232430655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no my point is < 1232430661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] doesnt HAVE last two elements < 1232430669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rrrright, if you call with exactly that < 1232430670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot doesnt have any < 1232430676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wont match x:xs < 1232430678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course, that will fail. < 1232430690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sim [] [1] will fail < 1232430733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. a minor bug though. < 1232430756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also not entirely sure how your sim algorithm is supposed to work in full. what does it report for sim "a111" "111"? < 1232430761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for showing it, i never realized muture allows is robust enough to alow that < 1232430798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should report -1 < 1232430819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232430846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the gist of the language is ">>" means "maximize" ("<<" for "minimize", for completeness) < 1232430873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1232430887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1232430890 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232430893 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232430898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> sim "hed" x < 1232430914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with x as words < 1232430916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maximize value of expression given all the possible nondeterminism allowed lol" < 1232430916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232430944 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its supposed to go through words, and find the one where sim "head" the_word is greatest < 1232430953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1232430991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be able to implement that with a search through the list and dynamic programming, in general it will do all kinds of search using the value of the expression as the heuristic. < 1232431025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i need to go. lecture starts pretty sewn < 1232431039 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1232431107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided to took one more course btw, "computer science and the society", who's a cute little masochist now, huh? < 1232431113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232431114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*take < 1232431129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you darling :D < 1232431134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::bite:: < 1232433252 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232433714 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's MINE < 1232433855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's ours, bitch < 1232433861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232433869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone built a tag file system? < 1232434225 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tag// < 1232434606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1232434801 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here ever built a file system? < 1232434944 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232435323 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232435326 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232435953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didnt mean anyone HERE < 1232435955 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant in general < 1232438076 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232438399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232438400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232439105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232439111 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1232440481 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232440512 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232440653 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232440914 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232441379 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232442363 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232442546 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{Marybelle} Hey all. I keep running into memory problems when querying a MySQL database. Any pointers? < 1232442652 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX what's the query? < 1232442904 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232443379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, sure 0x3430536000 0x7fff0d6f2cb8 0x34304273c0 < 1232443392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kudos to xkcd) < 1232443847 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232444144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1232444161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't get the reference < 1232444163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's apparently become my job description < 1232444213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232444236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This means that if, for example, "Main Page" is the first random page on your list, "List of fictional monkeys" will *always* be second, "List of people on stamps of Vanuatu" third, etc. < 1232444450 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232444477 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232444597 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232444624 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232444771 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232444775 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232444784 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232444806 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232444809 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232445051 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232445052 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232445062 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232445377 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232445664 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232446104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232446334 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232446821 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232447656 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232450660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I don't get the reference <-- hahah < 1232450680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was obviously a joke about C++ references) < 1232452414 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232452920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232452925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232454636 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-83.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232456183 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232456607 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232458333 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232458484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232459143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuude. < 1232459143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yucs.org/~gnivasch/life/article_cat/ < 1232459144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking. < 1232459145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. < 1232459232 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232459236 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232459242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232459256 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232459264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yucs.org/~gnivasch/life/article_cat/ < 1232459265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yucs.org/~gnivasch/life/article_cat/ < 1232459267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1232459405 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232459550 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232460835 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232463197 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232463953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches browser.
< 1232463959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no discernable reason. < 1232464082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which browser are you using now? < 1232464095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet. < 1232464095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs through some likely possibilities in their head
< 1232464103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does Opera have a Mac version, I wonder? < 1232464110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, browsing via Telnet is great, if a little slow < 1232464110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. Bingo. < 1232464118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why, I just realiased I never actually used Opera.) < 1232464137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try every browser in evolt.org's archive. < 1232464143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has the original TBL NextStep browser. < 1232464146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WorldWideWeb.app < 1232464148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Opera like? < 1232464171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pretty ordinary, except it renders really fast. < 1232464182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of the HTML5 people work on it. < 1232464188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it has a lot of support for that stuff. < 1232464268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could get nextstep working in a VM. < 1232464270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be interesting < 1232464292 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232465054 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edbrowse is the standard! < 1232465062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lawd < 1232465433 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232465829 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232466905 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232466945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The application must insure that no other SQLite interfaces are invoked by other threads while sqlite3_config() is running. " <-- "insure"? Shouldn't that be "ensure"? < 1232466957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods ehird
< 1232466969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hello < 1232466981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also " AnMaster: I don't get the reference" was a C++ joke right? < 1232466995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wasn't < 1232467008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ye. < 1232467009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1232467011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your former q < 1232467016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you don't know what xkcd strip I was talking about? < 1232467019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1232467028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/138/ < 1232467029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly know any XKCDs, apart from the ones which are linked nearly all the time < 1232467055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should teach XKCD in school, it's needed to make any sense of the interent < 1232467059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the funny thing about people quoting xkcd verbatim all the time? < 1232467067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a strip exactly about the annoying people who do that. < 1232467075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D < 1232467081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/16/ < 1232467114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Isn't that about quoting Monty Python? < 1232467114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's about Monty Python, not xkcd < 1232467129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, um, because the point it makes totally only applies specifically to monty python < 1232467144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1232467168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it does, really < 1232467173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the point is about surrealist humour < 1232467180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that thing about the car accident makes no sense < 1232467183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're quoting something that isn't surrealist humour, the point doesn't apply < 1232467190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< AnMaster> also that thing about the car accident makes no sense < 1232467195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does goddamn monty python < 1232467206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1232467211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point < 1232467217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232467489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile < 1232467491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/ < 1232467494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peta rebrands fish. < 1232467496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as sea kittens. < 1232467503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilaripidity ensures < 1232467507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ensues < 1232467509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232467513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone even paying attention to them on that? < 1232467517 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, sea kittens < 1232467522 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must try those < 1232467525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck is peta? < 1232467538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PETA are a bunch of fucked-up idiots. < 1232467549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy "animal rights" extremists. < 1232467558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They acre more about animals than humans, and actually they don't care about animals. < 1232467560 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1232467561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is wrong with animal rights? < 1232467567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1232467568 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sea kittens aren't thhat great. < 1232467572 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer LAND FISH < 1232467572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about PETA. < 1232467573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/acre/care/ < 1232467574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1232467578 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so fuzzy and delicious < 1232467594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I am so calling kittens land fish from now on < 1232467594 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer flying fish < 1232467615 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Fry some up! < 1232467618 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's delicious < 1232467650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: Talking about eating kittens since 2009 < 1232467661 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon < 1232467663 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is #esoteric < 1232467668 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure we did it before < 1232468188 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry how? RF EM radiation, IR EM radiation, heat, HVAC or HVDC? :-> < 1232468238 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry with a regular frying pan, through thermal conduction < 1232468245 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, phonon transmission. < 1232468371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232468443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isobamapresident.com/ < 1232468466 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shi- < 1232468474 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, let's nuke the US before the negro! < 1232468494 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those troijan-spreading sites? < 1232468505 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very same < 1232468519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :P < 1232468673 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-141.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232468882 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232469102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think #haskell has entered Eternal January. < 1232469138 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching. It's cruel. < 1232469154 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they know about ghci < 1232469190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 year olds don't use ghci. It's an unwritten rule. < 1232469219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think #haskell has entered Eternal January. <-- ? < 1232469230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: irritating noob in #haskell. < 1232469239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also you are 13 and use ghc iirc? < 1232469246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly also ghci < 1232469259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said 15 year olds. < 1232469261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pay attention. < 1232469282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you will stop when you are 15? < 1232469290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Then restart again when 16 < 1232469292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a law. < 1232469295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be killed if I did not. < 1232469302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unwritten one? < 1232469315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232469322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232469462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also why "Eternal January", has this happened more than once? < 1232469695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232469699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an eternal september ref < 1232469710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but hopefully this will end soon < 1232469899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232469912 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232471245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isobamapresident.com/ < 1232471246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It changed. < 1232471253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz geddit < 1232471255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even intend that < 1232471331 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHONGE < 1232471377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lulz geddit <-- ? < 1232471386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changed. < 1232471389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geddit? < 1232471392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama? Change? It changed? < 1232471394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahrahrharhahrahr < 1232471407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232471420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, read that as gedit for some reason... < 1232471426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232471429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc is some gnome based editor < 1232471436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Barack Obama has been president for 2009-1-20 12:07:00 GMT-05:00" <-- that makes no sense < 1232471470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't say that for me < 1232471478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1232471478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barack Obama has been president for 4 minutes, 27 seconds < 1232471482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you need scripts < 1232471487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1232471491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it goes in realtime < 1232471552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Changed protection level for "Barack Obama": to prevent premature declarations of presidency ([edit=sysop] (expires 17:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)) [move=sysop] (indefinite)))" < 1232471562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232471571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232471586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BARACK OBAMA IS PRESIDENT" < 1232471589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO HE IS NOT THERE IS 5 SECONDS TO GO" < 1232471591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"REVERT" < 1232471602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually it was edited 17:02: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&diff=265311244&oldid=265306761 < 1232471606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOW HE IS" < 1232471608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[CITATION NEEDED]" < 1232471617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IM BARACK OBAMA THAT'S HOW I KNOW" < 1232471619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that protection was done 30 minutes in advance < 1232471623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ORIGINAL RESEARCH" < 1232471635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232471657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it in a scientific paper or a newspaper yet?" < 1232471658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No?" < 1232471661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unverifiable." < 1232471740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh also it seems he was sworn in 17:05 (UTC) so that meant there was somewhat of an edit war between 17:00 and 17:09 < 1232471748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes 09 for some reason) < 1232471768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&action=history <-- quite interesting < 1232471804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the protection changes in it doesn't quite match up < 1232471906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1232471925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''Barack Hussein Obama II''' < 1232471929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232471937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed "lol" < 1232471941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone change it < 1232471951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf is up with that II? He isn't royal < 1232471961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232471966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1232471979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever seen numbers after the names used for royals < 1232471980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone call me when we've returned to intelligent discourse. < 1232471993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some cultural thing < 1232471998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1232472091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1232472117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1232472258 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232472301 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232472319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i was just going to comment on your absense < 1232472377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh curious you were only gone just as i joined < 1232472475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This means that if, for example, "Main Page" is the first random page on your list, "List of fictional monkeys" will *always* be second, "List of people on stamps of Vanuatu" third, etc. < 1232472484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the last one actually exists :D < 1232472507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one presumably exists too < 1232472514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is in fact telling the truth < 1232472519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than coming up with facetious examples < 1232472525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1232472570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what is this about? random page selection being deterministic after the first page? < 1232472670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1232472696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232472705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "random page"? < 1232472708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"always"? < 1232472714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that makes no sense < 1232472722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1232472726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's to do with the way the randomization works < 1232472733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page X always leads on to Y < 1232472735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean the random page link? < 1232472735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each page is given a random number < 1232472739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232472749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.creativecommons.org/api.php < 1232472751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you generate one random page, you get a page whose random number is just above a random number < 1232472752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heard of pseudorandom number generators and the way they always give the same results for the same seed? < 1232472755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so random link from main page will always go to the same place? < 1232472757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it isn't that < 1232472761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, not at all < 1232472766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating one random page at a time, it's random < 1232472776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with differing probabilities for pages due to how the randomizer works < 1232472776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's analogous, no? < 1232472782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no < 1232472785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me explain the reason < 1232472786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1232472792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would be too logical for mediawiki < 1232472798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you generate multiples, to save server time, then it takes the first n pages above the randomly-generated number < 1232472800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually, this _is_ logical. < 1232472809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why on earth would mediawiki api need random page thing < 1232472814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232472816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for random pages? < 1232472819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey just guessing! < 1232472821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if main page is 0.5, then list of fictional monkeys is 0.50000000000000005 and list of people on stamps of Vanatu is 0.5000000000000059 < 1232472823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1232472823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would a bot need it < 1232472829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: random page patrolling? < 1232472830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bot. < 1232472834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for things using the api < 1232472838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gregorr's Five Clicks to Jesus < 1232472839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would surely miss lots of pages < 1232472841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses random pages < 1232472857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also iirc the bot is mainly for the wiki bots? < 1232472867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the API is for anything. < 1232472871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the original intention < 1232472877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can use it for other stuff < 1232472896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I don't get the reference <-- hahah < 1232472897 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-82-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232472906 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232472909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster gets a joke i didn't? what is the world coming to < 1232472911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there some joke in that line I'm missing? < 1232472925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster explained the pun he thought I'd added there, but it was unintentional < 1232472925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I thought it was a joke about C++ &-style references < 1232472930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait he gets a _non-existing_ joke? < 1232472943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it explains why you didn't get it < 1232472944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative sense of humour < 1232472949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, it was obvious after he pointed it out < 1232472950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_D < 1232472951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D* < 1232472960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the smiley _D means
< 1232473007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a smiling person who's just been stamped on by an elephant < 1232473014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they smiling < 1232473028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't see it coming, naturally < 1232473038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stomped < 1232473042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wouldn't they stop smiling after? < 1232473048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very quickly I mean < 1232473078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you stop smiling when your brain is crushed? duh. < 1232473083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232473091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah I guess it is always fatal < 1232473096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a gentle elephant < 1232473098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-fatal < 1232473114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or a small one < 1232473143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. cute tiny elephant kitten. < 1232473149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's an elephant kitten? YOU ARE! < 1232473156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a good little elephant kitten. yeeeeeeees! < 1232473159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like Garfield? < 1232473168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232473176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ashamed of this channel. < 1232473180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly you/ < 1232473184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/./ < 1232473185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has decided to always talk about Garfield when someone mentions "cute kitten"
< 1232473196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because I'm tried of that thing < 1232473205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean to change the subject quickly? < 1232473209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what about cute dogs? It is time for a change! < 1232473215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are not cute. < 1232473222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kittens? < 1232473223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are. < 1232473226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, certainly, and get rid of lolcats too < 1232473227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a kitty cat! YES YOU ARE. < 1232473299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232473300 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*land fish < 1232473309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o yes < 1232473313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to have two keyboard attached that are on different keyboard layout? < 1232473321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, one dvorak, and one qwerty < 1232473325 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1232473335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. MOST VAMPIRES DON'™T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE VAMPIRES! < 1232473336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://www.trueghosttales.com/paranormal/do-vampires-exist/ < 1232473354 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232473354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1232473397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that a parody site? < 1232473404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1232473415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then it is really fucked up < 1232473420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a slight suspicion i might be a vampire < 1232473427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Here's how to tell: < 1232473432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sunburn so darn easily < 1232473433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Do you know if you're a vampire? < 1232473435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: You are not a vampire. < 1232473438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No: You are a vampire! < 1232473449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232473473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you like raw meat? < 1232473483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not particularly < 1232473499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about blood? Like "blodpudding" < 1232473506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know English word for that < 1232473508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy! < 1232473517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it exists in Norway too? < 1232473520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that settles it < 1232473521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is horrible I think < 1232473524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black pudding? < 1232473532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, possible < 1232473533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding < 1232473539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: something like that < 1232473545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vomits
< 1232473550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the recipe varies < 1232473553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes something like that < 1232473557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree < 1232473558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully < 1232474114 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably though, Haggis is worse. I wouldn't eat any of it though... < 1232474130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adimit, what about surströmming or lutfisk? < 1232474142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, lutefisk < 1232474150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you can't mean that < 1232474154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do < 1232474196 0 :appletizer!i=user@82-32-121-88.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232474220 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this channel happen to discuss real-time coding too? :) < 1232474267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it? < 1232474281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i won't eat cod tongue, which the rest of the family eats < 1232474312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi appletizer < 1232474313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've got a cousin who won't eat lutefisk < 1232474314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define real time coding < 1232474316 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird < 1232474326 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing < 1232474336 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_programming_language < 1232474341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, hows that relevant to this channel? :P < 1232474346 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing compares to Hakarl. < 1232474349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding != computing, real time coding would be writing when you write < 1232474351 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol is esoteric the name of a language or? < 1232474351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1232474352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232474353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a real time esolang would be kind-of interesting < 1232474359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: no < 1232474363 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that esoteric meant less-known languages no other channels discuss :P < 1232474366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: [[e:Esoteric programming language]] < 1232474368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: yes < 1232474369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1232474371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fail < 1232474371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language < 1232474372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esolang < 1232474373 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since real-time are esoteric by that nature... :) < 1232474375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232474378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, messed up shortcut < 1232474386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs tend to be even weirder than that < 1232474396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less-known languages that were deliberately designed to be lesser-known < 1232474400 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume it would include things like esterel etc :) < 1232474409 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esterel < 1232474409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: esterel? < 1232474412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... this goes back to the old argument about BANCStar < 1232474416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1232474423 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a synchronous programming lang for real-time applications < 1232474425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: well, if you're interested in odd programming languages you'll definitely fit in < 1232474429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're pretty lax about our topics here < 1232474444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esterel looks to me like an unintentionally esoteric language < 1232474448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes itself far too seriously < 1232474456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, the BANCStars of this world are great to talk about < 1232474461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, real-time languages have real use cases. < 1232474471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1232474475 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol they usually do, RT codes are used in nuclear reactors to more mundanes like neurophysiological measurements < 1232474476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Thutu, but I wouldn't call that non-esoteric < 1232474508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never code something for a nuclear reactor or a hospital. < 1232474512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's far too much responsibility :P < 1232474520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't in an esolang < 1232474526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly deliberately designed to be impractical < 1232474528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a few aren't < 1232474536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda, for instance, when I get round to speccing it < 1232474570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello appletizer! < 1232474570 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello appletizer! < 1232474571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about feather? It could be both :P < 1232474578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, Feather < 1232474586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, encode the string in bf directly < 1232474597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, don't mention it in front of people who haven't heard of it already, it gives me headaches just thinking about it < 1232474601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone trying to explain it < 1232474608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1232474620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hello to appletizer < 1232474621 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but i must admit, i haven't have an epiphany about those :p. < 1232474621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone trying to /implement/ it < 1232474624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hello to appletizer < 1232474625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i still want to do some way < 1232474625 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the better way is to grovel through the package underlying the srfi-26 structure by opening it or opening a structure that includes a predicate to test if elements are lists or non-empty strings or vectors of arbitrary sizes. < 1232474628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1232474641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello appletizer!)S < 1232474641 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523! :) < 1232474641 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello appletizer! < 1232474647 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fungot! <- is he a bot? :P < 1232474648 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: " the structure with the associated code in isolation seems to work fine < 1232474651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and that Underload was not cheating < 1232474656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: yes, written in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge < 1232474657 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-40-194.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232474661 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1232474666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the most practical esolangs around < 1232474669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say, not very < 1232474686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1232474687 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have no imagination?) < 1232474692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cover your eyes. < 1232474709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd tell you about the goat you have to sacrifice but I think looking at fungot will do < 1232474710 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i guess i really should finish sicp. time for sleep for me. what i also need to understand my brain because i have an idea... a quine in < 1232474716 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232474751 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah ehird, that's the most convoluted coding if i've ever seen one :) < 1232474767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer, I have seen worse < 1232474770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Befunge is one of the more readable esolangs < 1232474850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all esolangs are just about syntax :P < 1232474859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232474897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean like Feather? ;P < 1232474898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't even have an official syntax yet? < 1232474900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that is only about syntax kind of < 1232474915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, my guiding goal for Feather starting syntax is "looks vaguely like Smalltalk, but for different reasons" < 1232474920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a not very much so kind of not kind of way) < 1232474940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, interesting, I would never have ended up with feather by that < 1232475012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer, also I hope you realise by now this is not the right place to be serious (well not be serious seriously anyway, you can of course be serious in a not very serious way, such as java2k) < 1232475032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p-nand-q.com/humor/programming_languages/java2k.html < 1232475036 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol AnMaster, yeah i sorta figured, though it could be cool if i bumped into some RT-ers :) < 1232475051 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this would be the place for brainfuck and the likes :) < 1232475055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ais523 is working with some VHDL thing on the side. < 1232475061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of RT I guess < 1232475067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the way you meant it though < 1232475085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that isn't related to esolangs, but to my RL work < 1232475091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes true < 1232475098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rather weird, though, serious but weird, just like appletizer's realtime langs < 1232475101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but would you call it "real time"? < 1232475119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, well arguably yes < 1232475123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be very very realtime < 1232475131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real spacetime :D < 1232475133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it has sleep-for-femtoseconds commands backs that up < 1232475141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT FOR 1 fs; < 1232475144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed. < 1232475171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec. femtosecond would need the circuit to operate at a very high speed? < 1232475192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circuits do operate at a very high speed < 1232475208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many Mhz do you need to get one cycle = 1 fs? < 1232475215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: loads < 1232475221 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232475225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 1fs is too fast even for VHDL-generated code < 1232475227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, THz or something? < 1232475229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there as a catchall option, I think < 1232475235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picoseconds are more commonly used < 1232475253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you could want sub-cycle < 1232475260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some stuff < 1232475278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is sub-cycle < 1232475283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to do with decompiled code < 1232475288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm? < 1232475298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it measures the lengths of the actual wires < 1232475300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232475303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts delays on accordingly < 1232475306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can simulate properly < 1232475315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer, take a look at that link btw < 1232475337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletizer: I recommend you ignore AnMaster. < 1232475338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232475341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that makes sense < 1232475343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, Java2K isn't really that interesting < 1232475355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's worth pointing out that AnMaster and ehird are both upstanding and fine members of this channel < 1232475356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no but it's introduction is < 1232475363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I'm upstanding and fine? < 1232475363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow end up bickering when you leave them in the same channel together < 1232475364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn! < 1232475366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I been doing wrong?! < 1232475371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, for you it's more dubious < 1232475376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird :D < 1232475400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this worry me: "NEW VERSION 7.3 PRE-GAMMA RELEASED EARLY 2004, with a completely new interpreter written in Python. Finally, it is safe to embed Python in Webpages!" < 1232475425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, ehird is "fine" but not "upstanding". He said himself he was short. < 1232475434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I'm rather tall < 1232475442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whaaaaaaaaat < 1232475449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this for < 1232475453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Java2k < 1232475454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: from the Java2K page AnMaster linked < 1232475457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to click the link < 1232475459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1232475459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;Å < 1232475461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P* < 1232475471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "upstanding" is about vector direction, not magnitude < 1232475494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well that makes less sense in this context. < 1232475540 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232475554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he _could_ be reclining < 1232475562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, subjective gravity? Sure some relativistic effects could maybe cause it, but this doesn't make sense for the rather "non-extreme" properties of this place < 1232475592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, bad lag... < 1232475662 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232475925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for a horrible joke if anyone is interested. < 1232475926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232475950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a slogan kind of. < 1232475966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonononono < 1232475971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and totally unrelated to the current convo) < 1232475977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yesyesyes < 1232475985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods oerjan and ais523
< 1232475999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION objects to the deletion
< 1232476000 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha AnMaster < 1232476011 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked at the article, nice one :) < 1232476014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe bad taste < 1232476021 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1232476026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what deletion? < 1232476031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a Wikipedia pun < 1232476036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1232476042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan will be deleted in 5 days if nobody objects < 1232476045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here it comes: < 1232476046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China: Democracy considered harmful. < 1232476048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares ye olde swatter
< 1232476062 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb (popping out for awhile) < 1232476062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares to dodge
< 1232476081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1232476081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that wasn't even funny < 1232476086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed. < 1232476095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even worth a swat < 1232476106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that watching AnMaster trying to make a joke is in fact very funny < 1232476107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys! I made a joke! AnMaster. < 1232476107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the jokes arent < 1232476111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, exactly. I'm testing how low one can sink when it comes to humor < 1232476111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that was funny. < 1232476113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it serves the intended purpose < 1232476120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ehird -----###
< 1232476127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is a scientific study < 1232476133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does the swatter need to be used before you can put it away < 1232476139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of like some D&D artifact swords? < 1232476157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan NEVER puts his swatter away < 1232476175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon he has it in some kind of quick-draw holster < 1232476211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably. < 1232476219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232476292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines replacing "gun" with "swatter" in a old Clint Eastwood movie
< 1232476305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chuckles
< 1232476320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1232476320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1232476322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I link to the obligatory bash? < 1232476325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something Larson would draw < 1232476334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Larson? < 1232476343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larson who? < 1232476344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1232476345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bash.org/?111338 < 1232476346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably, I'm sufficiently Internet-insulated to miss all the obligatory quotes < 1232476347 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing gun with swatter in the good, bad, ugly climax scene? < 1232476353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not exactly SFW. < 1232476357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, text can't be NSFW/ < 1232476361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gary Larson < 1232476362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there you go < 1232476367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no idea who that is < 1232476371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually I've seen that one before < 1232476391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in that case your total lack of humor is no longer surprising < 1232476427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, *would have drawn, since he quit in the middle nineties < 1232476433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait the name does sound slightly familiar < 1232476442 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232476473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes I have seen that strip once I think < 1232476493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes when I see the some of the google image results it looks slightly familiar < 1232476600 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232476614 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-169.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232476636 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-182.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232476694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bash.org/?875652 I predict that one day, this quote will be in the top 100 of bash. < 1232476708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's it about? < 1232476712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil. < 1232476715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just asking this time in case it's an ASCII art goatse or something < 1232476727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that would be accepted by the moderators < 1232476768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you aren't giving much info < 1232476768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to interpret "evil" here < 1232476777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not anything like that. < 1232476778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's text. < 1232476779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232476834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1232476846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely the obvious answer is to report the person who set up the complicated scenario to the police? < 1232476873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly interfere while they're trying to set it up? < 1232476883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I mean, bacon. < 1232476890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you did that you might miss out on bacon. < 1232476897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get my own bacon < 1232476901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you can't. < 1232476904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is the last bacon left in the world. < 1232476907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had you considered that? < 1232476909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a "trilemma"? < 1232476913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, because it's a silly consideration < 1232476914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1232476914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: groan < 1232476929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I mean it, "dilemma" is for two options < 1232476938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you can't use it when there are three options < 1232476987 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how is it a dilemma or trilemma... like you can get bacon... < 1232476997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you can't. < 1232477006 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you chose bacon i mean < 1232477007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I would save the person < 1232477031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then as ais523 said, report this to the police < 1232477051 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the police comes they'll just eat the bacon < 1232477059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could save the person by shouting "Look out, there's a tripwire" < 1232477062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: save a person over kittens and bacon? < 1232477063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you were going to save the kittens < 1232477066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're inhumane. < 1232477072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, yes and? I can live without bacon < 1232477080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1232477082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can. < 1232477088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's simply _impossible_. < 1232477093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't even like bacon < 1232477093 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232477093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232477099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two basic needs: water, and bacon. < 1232477109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about air? < 1232477121 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: think of fish! < 1232477128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1232477129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, yes and? < 1232477131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon serves as air. < 1232477145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being that silly < 1232477153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw how goes ick development now < 1232477154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232477154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1232477157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly < 1232477158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> gtfo < 1232477226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very busy in RL atm < 1232477227 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232477234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no big improvements < 1232477238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the repo now being online < 1232477241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/polls/poll0248.html < 1232477268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Osama bin Laden disagrees with you on the bacon issue < 1232477296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's quite some question < 1232477296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osama bin Laden is an anti-bacon extremist < 1232477305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and the answers are funny too < 1232477336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: true, true < 1232477430 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232477557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um all the vegetarians doesn't eat any bacon < 1232477577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they do < 1232477578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly < 1232477602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't eat bacon, I do eat meat though < 1232477605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not bacon < 1232477611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liar < 1232477616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do eat bacon sometimes < 1232477619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [citation needed] < 1232477623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, AnMaster < 1232477625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a liar. < 1232477630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't eat bacon over saving a person < 1232477631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, prove it < 1232477634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't t alk to liars. < 1232477639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for saving the kittens, I tend to get confused by Rube Goldberg machines < 1232477645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd probably manage it if I came to in time < 1232477659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd feed the kittens to the human to give them the strength to escape < 1232477662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then share the bacon with them < 1232477665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm RUBE is a nice lang < 1232477706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: *feed the kittens with the human? < 1232477729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: either < 1232477732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232477739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think kitties eat bacon though. < 1232477742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they do. < 1232477745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats eat meat < 1232477746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not bacon? < 1232477752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon is not meat, silly. < 1232478146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232478171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232478260 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ZetroFly < 1232478264 0 :ZetroFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232478329 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232478366 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1232478374 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1232478501 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zetro < 1232478507 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1232478525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1232478551 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232478619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy swedes < 1232478689 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232478751 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wamanuz < 1232478879 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SuperUltraMegaMa < 1232478887 0 :SuperUltraMegaMa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SuperUltraMario < 1232478908 0 :SuperUltraMario!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyBot < 1232478918 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Eldflugan < 1232478927 0 :BeholdMyBot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wamanuz < 1232478933 0 :Eldflugan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyBot < 1232479449 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1232479492 0 :BeholdMyBot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wamanuz < 1232479546 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-141.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232479666 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for the nick war earlier. < 1232479695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1232479696 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got quite silly at an another channel, and we probably forgot that it would mess up other channels. < 1232479713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoFortunate < 1232479715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt < 1232479718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IAmGreenAndAlsoF < 1232479719 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*er < 1232479733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notify] ehird went offline (irc.freenode.net). < 1232479736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :client fail... < 1232479873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232480005 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232480025 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1232480041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1232480044 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1232480089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: which channel? < 1232480115 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: our "private" at ##tullinge. < 1232480227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, "tulling" means stupid person in norwegian :D < 1232480235 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :< < 1232480267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232480321 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Tullings < 1232480365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Tullings | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232480381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF: what does the F stand for? < 1232480391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses furious for no particular reason
< 1232480407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo, hm? who are you? < 1232480416 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a person, stop asking people that < 1232480430 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1232480430 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:28 -!- ehird changed the topic of #esoteric to: IAmGreenAndAlsoFortunate < 1232480443 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for typos < 1232480453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well MigoMipo is new here isn't (s)he? < 1232480458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you typoed /nick for /topic? < 1232480461 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, he is < 1232480480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, also why did he join and excuse for the nick war? < 1232480494 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232480495 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stop questioning people liek that < 1232480496 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1232480510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, why? why not? < 1232480528 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:Because apologies are a good thing. < 1232480541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what prompted you to join here... < 1232480548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232480548 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes been in here for days < 1232480552 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut upppppppppp < 1232480554 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is slow < 1232480557 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232480558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks in scrollback
< 1232480567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* MigoMipo (n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-141.tn.glocalnet.net) has joined #esoteric <-- ? < 1232480575 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232480576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone expects the AnMaster inquisition < 1232480577 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been COMING HERE < 1232480578 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for DAYS < 1232480583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, I just connected to bnc then. < 1232480589 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and? < 1232480589 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed, oerjan < 1232480590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just rebooted
< 1232480592 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares? How is that relevant? < 1232480607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, well, whatever happened after made no sense < 1232480610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes reading logs
< 1232480630 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made perfect sense unless you're AnMaster < 1232480643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, you make no sense to this joke < 1232480650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, that is only because you are ehird < 1232480664 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everyone else seems to be having no trouble whatsoever understanding it. < 1232480676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, well it makes more sense after reading logs < 1232480718 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats the point of this anyway? < 1232480723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none? < 1232480730 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, null < 1232480735 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: AnMaster likes interrogating people. < 1232480743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, you just made that up < 1232480747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1232480749 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly. < 1232480760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF, so? < 1232480765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1232480801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232481175 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232481176 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232482226 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232482226 0 :adimit!n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232483071 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232483266 0 :appletizer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232483618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232483915 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-211.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232484688 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232487140 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kongregate.com/games/squidsquid/the-irregulargame-of-life <-- amusing < 1232487213 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found out about that one in school a few months ago < 1232487251 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, a you have to burn the rope reference < 1232488333 0 :Zetro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232488778 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232489474 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"hejdå ^^" < 1232490113 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we have no doubt that Gdrive will become holy grail for privacy advocates around the world." < 1232490117 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am high as a kite." < 1232490119 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232491349 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the "map" is supposed to show
< 1232491487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1232492124 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: translation to english :P < 1232492387 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was refering to < 1232492391 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#esoteric] Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Check out the esoteric programmers map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang < 1232492406 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1232492408 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable javascript < 1232492419 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a map of the world with little pins for #esoteric denizens < 1232492420 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my w3m comes with no javascript < 1232492427 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tough :) < 1232492436 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not missing much tbh < 1232492471 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232493161 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232493667 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232493803 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Brb irl" < 1232494173 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232494182 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-214-43-169.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1232494280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232494373 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232495139 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232495637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kongregate.com/games/squidsquid/the-irregulargame-of-life <<< how utterly boring levels. ofc i doubt you could do much better, gol needs a crapload of bloat until you get to actually interesting stuff, like most automatons, they aren't very puzzly, more programmy. < 1232495972 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232496254 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's fun. < 1232496446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmGreenAndAlsoF: i didn't read logs, are you ehird? < 1232496467 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232496512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. well. it's not very fun, it's mainly about doing simple arithmetic < 1232496514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232496527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm only at level 33 sofar, because it's not very interesting. < 1232496533 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only" < 1232496534 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232496538 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol < 1232496540 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOT ACTION 2 < 1232496566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did the levels before it on ~5 attempts, it's not like it took that long < 1232496579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've been thinking i should continue that < 1232496587 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232496592 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should write INFINITE ACTION < 1232496597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately: when :|||||||| < 1232496598 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which generates progressively harder dot action levels < 1232496599 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER < 1232496618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i took this electronics course < 1232496626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just take all kinds of random courses < 1232496631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know fuck about physics. < 1232496656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the book is a scanned copy, because i'm sure as hell not gonna buy it < 1232496663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that fun to read < 1232496684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to read quite a lot of it till friday < 1232496709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more time < 1232496712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme gimme gimme < 1232496747 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here's some time < 1232497191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay not arithmetic as such, the puzzles are about subset sum < 1232497672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finished the game < 1232497676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kinda pointless. < 1232497688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't call pointless easily. < 1232498320 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232499853 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum acceleration a person could survive for an extended period ... obviously if you were in a spaceship accelerating at 1G indefinitely it would be perfectly comfortable, but how high does it get before people start bleeding and turning into pancakemen... < 1232499868 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :green < 1232500119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232500601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: wut? < 1232500665 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were in a spaceship accelerating at 1G, it would feel just like gravity (but take a lot more energy). What's the maximum acceleration a ship could maintain for long periods before its human occupants go *squish* after fairly long periods of time? < 1232500913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would they go squish? < 1232501048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... seriously? < 1232501055 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about acceleration, not velocity. < 1232501135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm kay. that's what i thought you said. < 1232501327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: can you teach me the physics that lead to the squishing? < 1232501375 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232501422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All objects in motion have a tendency to stay in motion, and all objects at rest have a tendency to stay at rest. If you push on them to force them not to stay in motion/at rest, they will push back (every action has an equal and opposite reaction). When your body pushes back with, say, 100Gs of force, it will most certainly not remain a body for long. < 1232501716 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232502073 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your velocity is 0.99999999999999999999999973c, you'll get to the Andromeda galaxy in ten minutes 8-D < 1232502242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's c, you'll already be there < 1232502291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, miscalculation, make that v = 0.999999999999999999999972c (one more 9) < 1232502296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IF IT'S C++, YOU'LL PROBABLY *insert something funny * < 1232502311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in you ass < 1232502419 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232502641 0 :IAmGreenAndAlsoF!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1232502794 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: 10 minutes on a clock inside or outside the vehicle? < 1232502803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside of course. < 1232502821 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 million years will have passed outside. < 1232502823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: galaxies aren't exactly 10 light years away < 1232502858 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the milky way is not very far away) < 1232502866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P < 1232502895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: what a significant point to make < 1232502898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232502924 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that significant, i admit < 1232502943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err < 1232502947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is application? < 1232502953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's reversed < 1232502964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__ = ``iks = `ks < 1232502971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := sk_ < 1232503002 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might have been < 1232503014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS YOUR NICK NOT IN NORMAL FORM? < 1232503036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kllooop < 1232503039 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask freenode why you can't be in more than 20 channels ? < 1232503070 0 :kllooop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty omnipresent rule < 1232503077 0 :kllooop!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopoll < 1232503080 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232503081 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1232503087 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that i mean quakenet has the same limit < 1232503116 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably so you'll have to choose, they want to teach you not to be greedy < 1232503119 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my "real" nick is `ski', btw) < 1232503145 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i'm a #haskell regular idler < 1232503156 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232503173 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming it's combinators and not, say, skiing? < 1232503198 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232503226 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're .se so i had to check < 1232503266 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i couldn't come up with anything less silly when i started with irc in c:a 2000) < 1232503302 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could've use something that actually did something. except i'm not sure how much you can do without parens < 1232503327 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting question though, what can you do? < 1232503402 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i have a lecture in 4 hours, better have some sleep now prolly < 1232503403 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232503405 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr someone wrote a basic concatenative EDSL in haskell, using only application for composition of words < 1232503437 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly one could do something similar in combinatory logic, if one defined a few appropriate combinators < 1232503448 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232503455 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232503462 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232503478 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edsl? < 1232503487 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like e-dsl? < 1232503487 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232503489 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedded Domain Specific Language < 1232503508 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. < 1232503548 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now seriously -> < 1232503556 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly wonders what oklopoll has lecture in ..
< 1232503581 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...calculus < 1232503585 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, bye, get some sleep :) < 1232503589 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying! < 1232503630 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes once more
< 1232506313 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski = i. < 1232506325 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like sk = ki. Let's change it. < 1232506365 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (e (s k) (k i) (Darn.) (Celebrate! Ponies and flowers and cuddles.)) < 1232506366 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Celebrate! Ponies and flowers and cuddles.) < 1232506373 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they're not equal after all. < 1232506382 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (s k) < 1232506383 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) (l (z) ((k z) (y z)))] < 1232506387 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (k i) < 1232506388 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (y) i] < 1232506408 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval i < 1232506409 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (x) x] < 1232506420 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((k z) (y z)) < 1232506420 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232506431 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (l (z) z) < 1232506431 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) z] < 1232506487 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, (s k) = [l (y) [l (z) z]] and (k i) = [l (y) [l (x) x]], if you evaluate subexpressions that are eventually going to be evaluated anyway. < 1232506516 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (hold ((s k) x) ((s k) z) ((k i) x) ((k i) z)) < 1232506516 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hold ((s k) x) ((s k) z) ((k i) x) ((k i) z)) < 1232506523 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1232506532 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval ((s k) x) < 1232506533 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[l (z) ((k z) (x z))] < 1232506549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s k) x) N) < 1232506549 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232506552 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s k) z) N) < 1232506552 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232506558 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((k i) x) N) < 1232506558 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232506561 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((k i) z) N) < 1232506561 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232506568 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I didn't expect that. < 1232506587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((s k) y) N) < 1232506587 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232506590 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval (((k i) y) N) < 1232506590 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1232512016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombgirl < 1232513741 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232514367 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232514551 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232515693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, NOBODY understands length contraction (or I don't, but I really think I'm right here :P ) < 1232515765 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, relativity. < 1232516064 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space-time bends by the effect of speed alone... < 1232519198 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space time bends for the slightest thing, MizardX. < 1232519713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space-time doesn't bend, that implies that it's a global phenomenon. Space-time is perceived differently from different [inertial] reference frames. < 1232519882 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232520004 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO SPACETIME < 1232520051 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no Earth, there is no solar system, there is no galaxy, there is no space time. There is only one truth: There is only the spoon. < 1232520139 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1232520145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its too big :( < 1232520649 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232520659 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232520845 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232521516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that Uri Geller can bend the space-time with his mind only. < 1232521932 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1232522081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay f**ed up relativity: to get to a location that's N lightyears away in N years (yes, N==N), how fast do you need to go? Answer: sqrt(0.5) times the speed of light GWAR < 1232522095 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b4091c7fb7d9d1fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1232522237 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how much time would that be from a bystander's perspective? :) < 1232523703 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GWAR! < 1232524400 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232524799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232524800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232524866 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N * sqrt(2) years? < 1232525956 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1232527136 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232527587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well you could've use something that actually did something. except i'm not sure how much you can do without parens < 1232527611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. starting with i or k is uninteresting < 1232527627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk is also uninteresting < 1232527839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixy -> y(xy), which is uninteresting if y is k or i < 1232527918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "uninteresting" i mean reduces to something simpler without parentheses than the original < 1232527969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (1) sixs < 1232527989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siis -> ss, uninteresting < 1232528170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siksxy -> s(ks)xy -> ksy(xy) -> s(xy) < 1232528213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s tends to make things more complicated of course. i wonder if you can blow up using only those < 1232528289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssss -> ss(ss)sss -> ss(sss)ss -> ss(ssss)s -> ss(sssss) < 1232528298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a pattern, and no < 1232528589 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232529511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1232530320 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232531359 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232531416 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232531939 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232531944 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232531950 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232532133 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232532142 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232532239 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232532266 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232532267 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232532358 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232532358 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232532367 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232532407 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232532413 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232532418 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232532603 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232532603 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232532618 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232532728 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232532729 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533138 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533139 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533147 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232533175 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533177 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533531 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533533 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533573 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533573 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533581 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232533914 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232533914 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533926 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232533968 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232533978 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232534026 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232534034 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232534147 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232534157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232534162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1232534167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's off to work we go? < 1232534174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232534205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232534215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if im still klined < 1232534217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = tired
< 1232534240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I, intensive modules are wearing < 1232534244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on everyone involved < 1232534418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i had a dream about this channel < 1232534424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232534449 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232534458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using my old client :s < 1232534475 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232534483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was the one notable thing < 1232534619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Have a Dream [citation needed] < 1232534631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232534680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream a while back where a polar bear turned up on the doorstep to our house, which was useful because we'd forgotten to feed the foxes < 1232534726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, really, I don't even own a trio of foxes < 1232534732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I did I probably wouldn't keep them in the fight < 1232534735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*house < 1232534744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dubious as to whether a polar bear or three foxes would win a fight anyway < 1232534791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232534912 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232534924 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232534926 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232537793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thedailywtf sidebar has an argument about whether when all of the territory of Tuvalu ends up underwater, the .tv subdomain will still exist < 1232537818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to < 1232537820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many things use it < 1232537834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1232537834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind-of funny if it didn't, though < 1232537853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/10875/190075.aspx#190075 < 1232537862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest, country tlds are just random namespaces to me, since I don't believe in country-based segregation of dns < 1232537884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lol < 1232537886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that tooltip < 1232537903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious to the max < 1232537904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if the country ceases to exist, does its DNS entry? < 1232537931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it gets obsoleted, but generally if enough people use it ICANN fail to bully them effectively to use another one, so they keep it around. < 1232538002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registrars would jump at the chance to force everyone with a .tv to go to a new domain, I reckon < 1232538005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free money right there < 1232538010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly... < 1232538018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's marketed by them as Super Valuable User Experience < 1232538025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kind of stuff has happened before < 1232538029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can still register .su < 1232538032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Soviet Union < 1232538036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to get rid of it < 1232538044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people liked it and got angry. < 1232538045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they kept it. < 1232538050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[and upped the prices...] < 1232538077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, obsolete ccTLDs just have to keep getting registrations in to ward of ICANN < 1232538081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1232538090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tv is popular so they'll have no problem < 1232538183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Five tv channel which I presume you know about's main domain is five.tv < 1232538186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty high-profile < 1232538203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if the nation of Tuvalu itself survives whilst having no territory it'll make an interesting argument in the nomic=micronation? debate < 1232538219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I used to watch Channel 5 back when it had a better name and was actually good < 1232538228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232538265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really well designed to start with, a predictable schedule you could memorise (news every hour, particular sorts of programs in particular slots...) < 1232538274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it had lots of interesting program choice too < 1232538290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv is a bit obsolete now, IMO < 1232538323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I hardly watch it < 1232538333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of following someone else's schedule to watch a program they want you to see, (and with non-BBC channels, copious amounts of irritating adverts in between) is frankly quite old fashioned < 1232538337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more bandwidth-efficient than internet for things it's designed for, though < 1232538347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, broadcast is unfortunately being abandoned < 1232538365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to get lunch < 1232538367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232539546 0 :ais523!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2db1e0f785559b75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232539552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232539566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232539602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1232539715 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232539717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Banned: Your bot is still broken and reconnects way too fast and too often. < 1232539721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go. Fuck. Yourself. Freenode. < 1232539724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a fucking bot. < 1232539731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only connecting is when I f ire up miau to see if I'm still klined. < 1232539734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I kill it. < 1232539747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my bouncer was NEVER OFFLINE FOR AGES when it was klined. < 1232539751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU. < 1232539756 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232539782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe the bouncer is doing frequent reconnects for some reason? < 1232539788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a bouncer, it would hide that from you < 1232539798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like it hides your reconnects from the channel < 1232539801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232539802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1232539806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells you about discos/recos < 1232539809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, I checked the logs < 1232539812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no disconnects or reconnects < 1232539814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just BAM klined < 1232539823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other client on this server is bsmnt_bot < 1232539828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _I'm_ klined < 1232539829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not it < 1232539832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on the server? < 1232539832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the logs, I'm the one who gets klined < 1232539835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not bsmnt_bot < 1232539846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rutian runs miau (not anymore, ofc) and bsmnt_bot < 1232539848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1232539849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have disconnected/reconnected a lot without ever joining #esoteric < 1232539855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232539858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i was in #esoteric < 1232539858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't show up in the logs < 1232539859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistently < 1232539860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hours < 1232539861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then got klined < 1232539866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i DID read the logs < 1232540027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should put up a bot that does do that < 1232540027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it up for a few days < 1232540028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill it < 1232540028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tell them I fixed it < 1232540030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232540040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that probably wouldn't work < 1232540050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you reply to them with an explanation that the account klined wasn't even running a bot? < 1232540077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I did that even before this new ban message. < 1232540081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointless. < 1232540249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you asked them for evidence? < 1232540309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might. Not that I expect that to help. < 1232540348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it won't. nothing ever helps if you don't believe in it. < 1232540381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1232540508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a thought
< 1232540539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bsmnt_bot's quits and joins are the cause of this (overreaction, but still) would putting it on the bouncer help? < 1232540565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the replay might mess up things < 1232540585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replay can be turned off < 1232540595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bouncer ehird and I used to use only replayed on request < 1232540604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the request was in my startup script < 1232540617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1232540687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bsmnt_bot's quits and joins are the cause of this < 1232540687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be < 1232540690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not running any more < 1232540702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the bouncer running? < 1232540771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all of eso-std.org klined, or just you? < 1232540828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, possibly all, but in the logs, I was the one who quit as (K-Lined) < 1232540834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bouncer is not running. < 1232541006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1232541059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bass" < 1232542381 0 :oklopoll!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232542451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopollololololol < 1232542466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an oklopoll a sort of vote? < 1232542473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1232542483 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232542490 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232542496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklopol: a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic < 1232542519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic < 1232542661 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232542723 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232542740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic < 1232542745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232542748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1232542749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to add the ; < 1232542768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you remove the extra space after c) too? < 1232542794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232542797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232543009 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1232543035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1232543039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oklotalk-- bot plz < 1232543047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232543048 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmm < 1232543084 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicked on something now
< 1232543093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232543096 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1232543098 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong button. < 1232543114 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hardcoded to quakenet atm < 1232543117 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll rehardcode it < 1232543157 0 :oktabot!n=oktabot@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232543162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklofok < 1232543163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232543164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oktabot: < 1232543167 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: 1 < 1232543168 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232543168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's yer command prefix den < 1232543169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1232543172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (+ 1 1) < 1232543173 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232543185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({X -> X} 1) < 1232543185 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1232543187 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (+ "still no " "support for anything?") < 1232543188 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no support for anything? < 1232543190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I think I forgot the syntax < 1232543191 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232543191 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232543203 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> X X)} 1) < 1232543203 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232543212 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232543216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1232543219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $f < 1232543219 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232543221 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyy < 1232543224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyyyyyyy < 1232543225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: f < 1232543225 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232543228 0 :SirDayBat!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232543261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: how do you do iteration? < 1232543269 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by recursion. < 1232543280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beware, Things double as objects. < 1232543284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: do you still have my cons-class? < 1232543286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -> purely a lambda? < 1232543290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing was nice < 1232543290 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: www.vjn.fi/oklopol < 1232543292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it more complicated? < 1232543293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's a Thing match < 1232543294 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: o no. < 1232543302 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-> ptrn expr) < 1232543303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: coed samples: < 1232543308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk--.txt < 1232543313 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptrn is matched on whatever is in _ < 1232543317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically {} is a function and an object < 1232543324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ssh, the examples are enough for anyone < 1232543325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232543329 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah sure :P < 1232543350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually thinking i'd add like at least somekinda spec stubs in the /oklopol/ examples? < 1232543356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1232543367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ' do? < 1232543372 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion < 1232543372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recur < 1232543375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by inspection, that seems most likely to be the thing implementing recursion < 1232543382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' just means "me" < 1232543389 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can do recursion by name as well. < 1232543403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in objects tho < 1232543424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= cons {(-> [h t] {(-> [$pb :] [h t]) (-> $car h) (-> $cdr t) (-> [$setcar h] h) (-> [$setcdr t] t) (-> [$! 0] h) (-> [$! n] (! t (- n 1))) (-> $length (+ 1 (length t)))})}) < 1232543425 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21708712>>> < 1232543428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= nil {(-> [$pb :] $f) (-> $car $f) (-> $cdr $f) (-> [$setcar h] $f) (-> [$setcdr t] $f) (-> [$! n] $f) (-> $length 0) }) < 1232543428 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21715424>>> < 1232543431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: cons < 1232543431 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21708712>>> < 1232543439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) < 1232543440 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21737880>>> < 1232543446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (car (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil)))) < 1232543446 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232543449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (cdr (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil)))) < 1232543450 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21725872>>> < 1232543457 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized the other day that one thing i definitely should've had in oklotalk-- is umm err liek. setting a dynamic variable < 1232543462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (! (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) 0) < 1232543463 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't do it < 1232543463 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232543465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (! (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) 1) < 1232543465 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232543467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (! (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) 2) < 1232543467 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232543469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (! (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) 3) < 1232543469 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232543475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: not even by implementing monads by hand? < 1232543478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (length (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil)))) < 1232543478 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232543502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote that cons/nil ^.^ < 1232543509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't set dynamic variables as the language implements them, stepping onto interpretation level allows you to do anything in any language. < 1232543521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1232543529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well, any tc lang < 1232543530 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1232543530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if monads by hand counts as interpretation level? < 1232543532 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah btw that's a pretty fun example the one on /oklopol/ < 1232543534 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232543540 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the sort and the rational class < 1232543543 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird made the list class < 1232543545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it implements its own numer class < 1232543548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can use like regular ones < 1232543551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rationals < 1232543555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sorting rationals entirely from scratch < 1232543559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, liek, qs < 1232543564 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists, sorting and rationals synthetic < 1232543571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: although that qs is the functional one and so not really qs. < 1232543573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thar you go < 1232543584 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well yes, i read the article too < 1232543606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ftr do? < 1232543611 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: filter < 1232543625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1232543633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can work that out < 1232543643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232543655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what is the array syntax again < 1232543660 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: [] < 1232543662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having that in your stdlib is kind-of cheating for implementing quicksort, though < 1232543667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, no < 1232543676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many langs have filter < 1232543680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's partition that's cheating < 1232543681 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it's implemented in oklotalk < 1232543684 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filter < 1232543687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1232543694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION accidentally cut the power supply to their monitor
< 1232543702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also note that qs works on conses < 1232543703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing it wasn't the CPU... < 1232543705 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var_map["ftr"]=ofunc("(-> [p (: (@ h (tst p)) t)] (+ [h] (' p t))) (-> [p (: h t)] (' p t)) []","ftr") < 1232543705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as arrays < 1232543707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with ftr < 1232543712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because $! and length were defined < 1232543724 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could just copypaste that in there. < 1232543727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: [1 2 3] < 1232543728 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3] < 1232543734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (ftr {$f} [1 2 3]) < 1232543734 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1232543735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (ftr {$t} [1 2 3]) < 1232543736 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3] < 1232543745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is you can't do imperative stuff really, which you should be able to do < 1232543750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232543753 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because the lvalue system is degenerate in -- < 1232543758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pondering how to make a botloop, as always
< 1232543760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, also < 1232543765 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't err < 1232543768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: %eval < 1232543768 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval < 1232543769 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set a dynamic variable < 1232543773 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an inner scope < 1232543777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: %eval a < 1232543777 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232543781 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just read it < 1232543782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does string quoting work in oklotalk? < 1232543783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1232543794 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: very degenerate :< < 1232543809 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole object system is kinda ugly, i was mainly just going for getting it extendable < 1232543818 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should integrate strings and lists at some point < 1232543818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: " to " is a raw string? < 1232543823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there an escaping syntax? < 1232543824 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1232543831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "\"" < 1232543831 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1232543835 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not sure whether there are, but i assume yes < 1232543835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "a" < 1232543836 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232543836 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, good < 1232543841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "%eval 2" < 1232543841 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval 2 < 1232543841 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232543844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: """a""" < 1232543846 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember strings were really stupid. < 1232543848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: """a""" < 1232543857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "a" < 1232543857 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232543867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... my triple-quotes seem to have confused it < 1232543877 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: 1 1 < 1232543878 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232543884 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "" "" < 1232543887 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1232543887 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1232543889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: parses as < 1232543891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" "a" "" < 1232543891 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just evaluates the first < 1232543894 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's empty < 1232543894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last expression is taken < 1232543896 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is idiot.
< 1232543897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: 1 2 3 < 1232543897 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232543906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quotes aren't quo0ted in their output < 1232543906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus < 1232543920 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right last one ofc < 1232543921 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: 1 2 3 < 1232543921 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232543924 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232543925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < ehird> thus < 1232543928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232543930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < ehird> :: 1 2 3 < 1232543930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < oktabot> 3 < 1232543937 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232543939 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1232543944 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kinda blind < 1232543945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232543947 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: 3 2 1 < 1232543948 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232544007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (map {"\""+_+"\""} [1 2 3]) < 1232544008 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+_+"\"" +_+"\"" +_+"\""] < 1232544019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232544024 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sexps. < 1232544025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (map {"\""+_+"\""} ["1" "2" "3"]) < 1232544025 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+_+"\"" +_+"\"" +_+"\""] < 1232544028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232544032 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- < 1232544032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing in infix < 1232544034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not prefix < 1232544047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232544048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"]) < 1232544048 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["1" "2" "3"] < 1232544049 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (1 + 3) < 1232544049 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1232544074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold {+} "\"" (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232544074 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold {+} (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"]) "\"") < 1232544093 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544093 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fold? < 1232544105 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also {+} is a constant function that returns + < 1232544106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{+} wouldn't work. < 1232544107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, if there isn't why would there be that particular error? < 1232544112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok < 1232544117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have too many applications < 1232544119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (aaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa) < 1232544119 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1232544122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232544123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (aaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa aaaaaaa) < 1232544123 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (aaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaa) < 1232544127 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1232544128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + "\"" (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232544128 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (aaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa) < 1232544130 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1232544133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (aaaaaaa) < 1232544134 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (foldl + "\"" (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232544137 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232544145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232544147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's implement a fold if there isn't one already < 1232544147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just told you < 1232544149 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: functions are either monadic or dyadic < 1232544156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fold is trivial, look < 1232544160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok, that's an interesting restriction < 1232544169 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see this is just a simple sexp syntax over an infix system. < 1232544175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement total from Underload, it's like fold but with two args < 1232544178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1232544227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are arrays/lists syntactic sugar for? < 1232544233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I head/tail them? < 1232544239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I have to rely on ehird cons cells? < 1232544250 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you can pattern match on them < 1232544255 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: head tail) < 1232544262 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure you can actively cut them... < 1232544272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching will do < 1232544273 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (: [1 2 3]) < 1232544273 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3] < 1232544277 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (: 4 [1 2 3]) < 1232544277 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f i] {(-> [] i) (-> l (f (! l 0 < 1232544278 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21820320>>> < 1232544282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as far as I've written < 1232544284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to continue < 1232544294 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232544295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (-> (: a b) [1 2 3]) < 1232544295 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was surprising < 1232544309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232544309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (-> (: a b) [1 2 3]) < 1232544310 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} < 1232544313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why f? < 1232544314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need {} < 1232544317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is false < 1232544321 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i'm not sure : means anythin. < 1232544324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should learn oklotalk :s < 1232544324 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anything < 1232544332 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-137.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232544334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you think I'm doing? < 1232544339 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see if there's a beheader.... < 1232544341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me :D < 1232544347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-> a b) pattern matches on the value of _ < 1232544352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232544356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and force a return if it matches < 1232544365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need them in {} to be useful < 1232544375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> (: a b) [a b])} [1 2 3]) < 1232544375 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 [2 3]] < 1232544380 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> (: a b) a)} [1 2 3 4]) < 1232544380 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232544386 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232544401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huray now we sing songs of the hello < 1232544411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < ehird> :: 1 2 3 < 1232544411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < oktabot> 3 < 1232544412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232544420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f i] {(-> [] i) (-> l (f (! l 0 < 1232544421 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21740000>>> < 1232544421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hokay < 1232544440 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (! [1 2 3 4 5 2 34 12 4 2 5 2 4 23 21] 10) < 1232544440 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1232544442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f i] {(-> [] i) (-> (: a b) (: (f a) (' b)))})}) < 1232544443 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21831312>>> < 1232544451 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an indexing operator it seems :D < 1232544451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ((fold + 0) [1 2 3]) < 1232544451 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232544467 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (* [1 2 3] [4 5 6]) < 1232544467 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1 4] [1 5] [1 6] [2 4] [2 5] [2 6] [3 4] [3 5] [3 6]] < 1232544469 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232544477 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S A CARTESIAN PRODUCT AND NO ONE TOLD ME < 1232544489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f i] {(-> [] i) (-> (: a b) (: (f a) (' b)))})}) < 1232544489 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (* [[1 2 3] [4 5 6] [7 8 9]]) < 1232544489 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21461512>>> < 1232544489 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1 2 3] [4 5 6] [7 8 9]] < 1232544494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y dat is broken? < 1232544496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((fold + 0) []) < 1232544497 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232544500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ((fold + 0) []) < 1232544501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ((fold + 0) []) < 1232544501 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1232544504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wurk < 1232544505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ((fold + 0) [1]) < 1232544506 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that donut < 1232544515 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good question..... < 1232544520 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks
< 1232544525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> [(: h t) f] (f h (' t f))) (-> [x f] x)} + [1 2 3 4 5]) < 1232544525 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1232544531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... not quite right < 1232544536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure :D < 1232544543 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1232544547 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (: 1 [2 3]) < 1232544548 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544553 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the problem < 1232544555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232544575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f [a]] a) (-> [f (: a b)] (: (f a) (' f b)))}) < 1232544575 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21786176>>> < 1232544579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your own lists. < 1232544582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> [(: h t) f] (f h (' t f))) (-> [x f] x)} [1 2 3 4 5] +) < 1232544582 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'int' and 'list' < 1232544585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f [a]] a) (-> [f (: a b)] [(f a) (' f b)])}) < 1232544585 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21839384>>> < 1232544589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + [1 2 3]) < 1232544589 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 [2 3]] < 1232544592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem was I got the args the wrong way round < 1232544594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1232544596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a map. < 1232544604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f [a]] a) (-> [f (: a b)] (f a (' f b))}) < 1232544604 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1232544604 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1232544608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= fold {(-> [f [a]] a) (-> [f (: a b)] (f a (' f b)))}) < 1232544609 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<21887856>>> < 1232544612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + [1 2 3]) < 1232544613 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1232544616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1232544619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1232544622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + []) < 1232544622 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544622 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@ row 1", what a great irc bot feature! < 1232544624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1232544625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + [1]) < 1232544626 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1232544628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice. < 1232544635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold * [[1 2 3] [4 5 6]]) < 1232544635 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1 4] [1 5] [1 6] [2 4] [2 5] [2 6] [3 4] [3 5] [3 6]] < 1232544640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold * [[1 2 3] [4 5 6] [7 8 9]]) < 1232544640 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1 [4 7]] [1 [4 8]] [1 [4 9]] [1 [5 7]] [1 [5 8]] [1 [5 9]] [1 [6 7]] [1 [6 8]] [1 [6 9]] [2 [4 7]] [2 [4 8]] [2 [4 9]] [2 [5 7]] [2 [5 8]] [2 [5 9]] [2 [6 7]] [2 [6 8]] [2 [6 9]] [3 [4 7]] [3 [4 8]] < 1232544640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> [(: h t) f] (f h (' t f))) (-> [[x] f] x)} [1 2 3 4 5] +) < 1232544640 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Atm instance has no attribute 'call' < 1232544642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232544645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ({(-> [(: h t) f] (f h (' t f))) (-> [[x] f] x)} [1 2 3 4 5] +) < 1232544645 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Atm instance has no attribute 'call' < 1232544647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give up, I beat you :D < 1232544655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Atm instance"? < 1232544660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shur < 1232544662 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: atom < 1232544664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ($a 2) < 1232544665 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232544669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's ind of right < 1232544670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1232544675 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ($a 1 2) < 1232544676 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion < 1232544680 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err :P < 1232544682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's total not fold < 1232544682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= fold {(-> [f [a]] a) (-> [f (: a b)] (f a (' f b)))}) < 1232544687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232544692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fold is cooler :D < 1232544695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can implement fold from total just by putting an extra element on the end of the list < 1232544709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi, two-argument fold < 1232544710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is common < 1232544721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I just like to give it a different name < 1232544734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total is misleading, it does fold < 1232544740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, the fold-with-default needs a special name < 1232544764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold []) < 1232544765 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold [+ [1 2 3]]) < 1232544775 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1232544780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1232544784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold [+ [1 2 3] + [1 2 3]]) < 1232544784 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544785 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr, that's just confusing. < 1232544796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold [+ + [1 2 3]]) < 1232544797 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232544799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wat < 1232544802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold [fold [+ [1 2 3]]]) < 1232544803 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1232544804 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. < 1232544810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKES NO SENSE :D < 1232544813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, it's application? < 1232544814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232544819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold fold [fold [fold [+ [1 2 3]]]]) < 1232544819 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1232544823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: of course it is < 1232544826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fold fold [x y]) -> (x y) < 1232544827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have a two-arg list < 1232544827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1232544829 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOTALK-- ONLY MAKES SENSE WHEN USED NICELY. < 1232544848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no, that's inherent in the definition of defaultless fold < 1232544852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work just as well in Haskell < 1232544873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1232544880 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you sure haskell likes lists with functions and values in them? < 1232544884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as [(+),[1,2,3]] is invalid < 1232544889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, forgot about the strict typing < 1232544889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as lists are monotyperated < 1232544892 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232544893 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232544899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: this is AWESOME BEANS PLUS. < 1232544902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work in Visual Haskell < 1232544906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232544907 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can people forget haskell is strict about types < 1232544908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a Variant type, and is otherwise identical < 1232544909 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232544916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a variant type < 1232544920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called Any < 1232544922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: because I've used OCaml < 1232544922 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what haskell is, being pedantic about types < 1232544929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's gh < 1232544929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1232544933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.haskell.org/visualhaskell/ < 1232544934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a breath of fresh air compared to it in terms of type dicipline < 1232544944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I was just trying to pun on Visual Basic < 1232544957 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who it was that used arch here
< 1232544962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: too many idiots. < 1232544966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly AnMaster :P < 1232544973 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archlinux? < 1232544980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232544982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: AnMaster ported C-INTERCAL to Arch < 1232544986 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has heard of that
< 1232544987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know if he actually uses it < 1232545001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a port. < 1232545008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, just a build library < 1232545009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just added some lines into a packagefile. < 1232545012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*package file < 1232545014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting is easy if you don't have to change the source < 1232545023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use arch on one system. And yes it was just making a package < 1232545040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so porting would be the wrong word < 1232545138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232545138 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1""2""3" < 1232545214 0 :Hiato1!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232545235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "["+(fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1""2""3"]))+"]" < 1232545235 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1232545237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1232545246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (("["+(fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ _ "\""))} ["1""2""3"])))+"]") < 1232545246 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1232545250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckit < 1232545250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(-> "\"" "\"\\\"\" ") (-> "\\" "\"\\\\\" ") (-> x (+ "\"" (+ _ "\"")))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232545251 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1""2""3" < 1232545257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(-> "\"" "\"\\\"\" ") (-> "\\" "\"\\\\\" ") (-> x (+ "\"" (+ _ "\" ")))} ["1" "2" "3"])) < 1232545257 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" "2" "3" < 1232545266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(-> "\"" "\"\\\"\" ") (-> "\\" "\"\\\\\" ") (-> x (+ "\"" (+ _ "\" ")))} ["1" "2" "3" "\"" "\\"])) < 1232545267 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" "2" "3" "\"" "\\" < 1232545290 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: [1 2 3] < 1232545290 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3] < 1232545297 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232545298 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: [1 .. 5] < 1232545299 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 .. 5] < 1232545300 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1232545337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- is for real men < 1232545383 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232545407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= range {(-> [x x] -> []) (-> [x y] ([x] + (range (x+1) y)))}) < 1232545407 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232545416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= range {(-> [x x] []) (-> [x y] ([x] + (range (x+1) y)))}) < 1232545417 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Application consists of 2 or 3 expressions. < 1232545420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts. < 1232545426 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= .. {(-> [a a] [1]) (-> [a b] (+ [a] (' (+ a 1) b)))}) < 1232545426 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<22016608>>> < 1232545429 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (.. 1 7) < 1232545430 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3 4 5 6 1] < 1232545434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1232545444 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= .. {(-> [a a] [a]) (-> [a b] (+ [a] (' (+ a 1) b)))}) < 1232545444 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<22017008>>> < 1232545449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (.. 1 7) < 1232545449 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3 4 5 6 7] < 1232545451 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (.. -12 42) < 1232545452 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: maximum recursion depth exceeded < 1232545455 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232545457 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1232545458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (.. 1 2) < 1232545458 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2] < 1232545465 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (6 .. 9) < 1232545465 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232545470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1232545472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232545473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232545492 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 6 handles [.. 9] < 1232545497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232545505 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently all handles all except for atoms < 1232545514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ ((-> "\"" "\\\"") (-> "\\" "\\\\") (-> x x)) "\""))} ["1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" ])) < 1232545514 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'clbl' < 1232545522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232545524 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232545528 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors are so helpful <3 < 1232545537 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not sure what that means. < 1232545547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ ({(-> "\"" "\\\"") (-> "\\" "\\\\") (-> x x)) "\"")} _)} ["1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" ])) < 1232545548 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1232545548 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's an unwrapped python error < 1232545559 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1232545566 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((->... doesn't look right < 1232545585 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly have paren errors there < 1232545590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ ({(-> "\"" "\\\"") (-> "\\" "\\\\") (-> x x)} _) "\"")} ["1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" ])) < 1232545590 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1232545597 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232545603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ ({(-> "\"" "\\\"") (-> "\\" "\\\\") (-> x x)} _) "\""))} ["1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" ])) < 1232545603 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1""2""\"""\\""3" < 1232545610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (fold + (map {(+ "\"" (+ ({(-> "\"" "\\\"") (-> "\\" "\\\\") (-> x x)} _) "\" "))} ["1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" ])) < 1232545611 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" "2" "\"" "\\" "3" < 1232545714 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: < 1232545720 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: <---> < 1232545721 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232545723 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: <------> < 1232545724 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232545726 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1232545729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mibbit.com: lectures" < 1232545784 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: fol < 1232545784 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fol < 1232545787 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1232545792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: oklocrap < 1232545793 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocrap < 1232545793 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: %%# < 1232545793 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%%# < 1232545894 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 4 primitive datatypes: integer, string, list, atom and thing." < 1232545900 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that 5? < 1232545905 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1232545918 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, maybe :) < 1232545994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232546003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- is one of my favourite languages < 1232546005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are clever < 1232546015 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingz <33 < 1232546034 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna implement some muture :<<< < 1232546097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut is muture again < 1232546112 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/oklopol/muture.txt < 1232546125 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the search thingie stuff < 1232546149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1232546155 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::--) < 1232546190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :">> expr" maximizes expr given the some nondeterministic choices the interp can make in evaluating expre. < 1232546192 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expr < 1232546199 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> \[1 3 5 2] < 1232546203 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would evaluate to 5 < 1232546212 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\list means an elem of list < 1232546225 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (= x 42) < 1232546226 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1232546229 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: x < 1232546230 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1232546231 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232546308 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's a number :) < 1232546365 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is of course it's pretty goddamn hard to implement, tried once, crapped my pants. < 1232547428 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-103-22.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232547553 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232547587 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232547621 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232548170 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232548176 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232548632 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1232551089 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232556630 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232556710 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just implemented RSSB in Redcode and I'm looking for a new project < 1232556791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1232557265 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions. I'd prefer stack or cell based, minimal instruction set and relative addressing! < 1232557425 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232557439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bf fits that but is boring. < 1232557606 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone already did bf in redcode < 1232557637 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone already did brainfuck in everything < 1232557719 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one of these for esoteric programming langs http://www.levenez.com/lang/lang.pdf :-) < 1232557782 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean "for"? < 1232557786 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter or interpretee? < 1232557870 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter will be written in Redcode < 1232558291 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232559177 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232559184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1232559701 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232559746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoohoo i've got a part in the topic < 1232559754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1232559769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip of the hat to you Mr. ais523 < 1232559921 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232560070 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232560151 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Pick and choose -> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Language_list < 1232560250 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232560260 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many to choose from! < 1232560271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232560310 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232560338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can see if there's a beheader.... < 1232560353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1232560357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... so who's impomatic, then? < 1232560364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: there's also the random page button < 1232560367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is getting new members so fast it's scary < 1232560383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1232560389 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I've looked through the Hello World implementations for a language I like the look of < 1232560390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most pages are on a single language, should be nearly the same < 1232560421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it hits something you aren't looking for, you can always click again < 1232560449 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: new here. I'm a redcode programmer < 1232560455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm hello world is not good for unlambda, say, the structure is trivial < 1232560458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1232560472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doesn't really show it < 1232560476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hello world works best to show how languages manage string handling, and what the basic syntax is < 1232560491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, lots of different languages could just have "Hello, world!" as a hello world program < 1232560497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all sorts of different paradigms < 1232560500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "Hello, world!" < 1232560501 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1232560508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello, world!)S < 1232560509 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1232560509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232560515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1232560515 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1232560519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three rather different langs < 1232560523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet the programs look pretty similar < 1232560542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99bob is at least good for control flow < 1232560575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: if you're interested in redcode might i suggest FuckYourBrane (iirc)? < 1232560582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FukYorBrane < 1232560591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a fatal bug in it if you don't limit program length < 1232560596 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232560604 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232560608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Brainfuck Joust, which has become popular over at Agora recently < 1232560612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add it to the esowiki, really < 1232560630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the bf hello world with ! is cheating < 1232560635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1232560642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without ! I don't have it memorised, though < 1232560648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1232560649 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help < 1232560658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is there not a hello world in fungot's program list? < 1232560659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for s in (find prefix -type fnord do if -z instrarrayid then echo " /star does not point to get_install" then echo " double fnord else fnord < 1232560665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232560667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rot13 < 1232560667 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+14<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>>+5[<-5>-]<2-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+ < 1232560679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that's not the whole program < 1232560681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show choo < 1232560687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1232560687 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1232560693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACHOO < 1232560697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, BF's strong point is simple text processing < 1232560765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1232560765 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1232560773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def hw bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1232560773 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1232560777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hw < 1232560778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hw < 1232560778 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1232560778 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1232560785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: snap < 1232560791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pasted from wiki) < 1232560799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask if that's the esowiki's version < 1232560812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it, it has too many loops to be the EgoBot version < 1232560813 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, I'll take a look shortly < 1232560833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't use the several cell initialization < 1232560872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it necessary to save new commands explicitly? < 1232560880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not IIRC < 1232560885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always read the source to find out < 1232560887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1232560887 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1232560973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that right now, he /is/ insane enough to find the particular relevant bit of fungot's code
< 1232560974 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm already sobbing!! < 1232561026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how rational of you < 1232561027 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they really don't dare open anything else for some time now i know smthg abt the differences fnord mit-scheme n other schemes too. < 1232561100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw about earlier this morning - does anyone know a non-terminating ski expression without parentheses? < 1232561118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when i was talking to myself) < 1232561137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... which way does SKI associate when written normally? < 1232561144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left < 1232561147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm far too used to Unlambda to know that off by heart < 1232561157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, SII = ((S I) I) ? < 1232561162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232561197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there isn't an obvious solution that I can see < 1232561201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there might well be a subtle one < 1232561208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think just fuzzing would discover one? < 1232561213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with sii was useless at least < 1232561224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1232561232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you may as well just write whatever it's applied to twice < 1232561250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just s's didn't work, even though s's tend to make things complicated in general < 1232561256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was wondering about just Ss < 1232561272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is a simplifier, although simplifiers may help for loops < 1232561276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sssssss -> ss(ss)sss -> ss(sss)ss -> ss(ssss)s -> ss(sssss) < 1232561277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and S is a complicator < 1232561391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summing up from this morning, it must start with ss, siks or siss < 1232561399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is necessary to use ^save, yes. < 1232561400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else simplifies < 1232561401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1232561401 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1232561407 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9ef7e2d4322d7d56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232561413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1232561443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... we know it starts with s < 1232561447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as starting with i is redundant < 1232561453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and starting with k is doubly redundant < 1232561465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, it's S x y z and possibly more combinators < 1232561470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with sk is also redundant < 1232561471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ((x z) (y z)) < 1232561480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't? < 1232561488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes it is < 1232561490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, skx == i < 1232561494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get i < 1232561511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and starting with sii we've already demonstrated is redundant < 1232561516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ss, sik, or sis < 1232561519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i looked at si this morning < 1232561530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixy must have y=s < 1232561538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get z (s z) < 1232561549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x!=i as you noticed < 1232561550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where z is the next term < 1232561552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1232561556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... < 1232561570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixs = ((i s) (x s)) < 1232561573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := s (x s) < 1232561587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, I think serialised SKI counts as a new esolang < 1232561594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's usable, or if it's a new subtle cough? < 1232561609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thought exactly < 1232561663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it starts with ss? < 1232561675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siks = s(ks), siss = s(ss) < 1232561692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssxy = ((s y) (x y)) < 1232561695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't evaluate further < 1232561706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssxyz = (s y) (x y) (z) < 1232561707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does < 1232561716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was the trouble with just s's, tend to gobble up arguments < 1232561733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes (yz)((xy)z) < 1232561749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the trick may be to s a lot to generate complicated bracketing patterns < 1232561754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after that fill it with an s/k/i mix < 1232561760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the arguments into the pattern we need < 1232561824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssxszy = sz((xs)z)y < 1232561849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := (zy)(((xs)z)y) < 1232561856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm beginning to spot a pattern here < 1232561876 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on with the birds? < 1232561883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not birds in particular < 1232561892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is to make an SKI infinite loop < 1232561898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the restriction that the entire thing has to left-associate < 1232561913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sii(sii) is out because it needs that pair of parens < 1232562118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flattening Combinators: Surviving Without Parentheses, Chris Okasaki, JFP03" < 1232562127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds promising :D < 1232562149 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMMER IT FLAT < 1232562149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it just use backquotes instead, I wonder? < 1232562172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is unlambda that popular that people know of those conventions though? < 1232562180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1232562182 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall PN with ` anywhere else < 1232562187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I know I think of combinators with backquotes not parens < 1232562188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's unlikely for a JFP submission... < 1232562237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek postscript < 1232562252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can't you read postscript? < 1232562261 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1232562276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily. < 1232562288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have at least two postscript readers on here < 1232562292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite probably 3 < 1232562353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the original article of combinators : 'If we now take the form F�U as a point of departure, then, by means of Z alone, F can be transformed in such a way that all parenthesis disappear. By means of C, Z and S, therefore, every formula of logic can be written without parenthesis as a simple sequence of these signs" < 1232562362 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FU* < 1232562369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... which combinators are C and Z? < 1232562490 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is K, Z is... Zxyz = x(yz), S is S. < 1232562520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Z is cheating in this particular instance < 1232562534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly it lets you mess with associativity at will < 1232562540 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232562549 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't diss the Schonfinkel man himself. < 1232562555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232562566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Schonfinkel's idea was really clever in that context < 1232562577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny: http://rafb.net/p/L2FgYp89.html (I added the comment) < 1232562577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, trying to port it into another context fails in this case < 1232562591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the true wtf < 1232562614 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-242.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232562618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1232562625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is postfunc declared volatile? < 1232562647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only real hope of sanity here < 1232562648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1232562655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is a local auto variable < 1232562662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is closefunc local or global? < 1232562666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it really matters < 1232562667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :local too < 1232562683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it will get put into a struct that is constructed a bit below < 1232562690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, clearly a case of copy-and-paste error < 1232562693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232562702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right way would be to use macros to avoid code duplication too < 1232562703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second and third ifs are unreachable, aren't they < 1232562723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and the second one should check closefunc, and the third one should be removed < 1232562747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I agree with you that that looks like the obvious fix < 1232562749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that from>? < 1232562808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, crossfire < 1232562815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was debugging another issue when I ran into that < 1232563091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1232563093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xsharp.org/ < 1232563115 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232563130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out what paradigm it is
< 1232563174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... looks imperative < 1232563206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow interesting < 1232563209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they implemented functional programming too < 1232563217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the desc sounds "tree rewriting" < 1232563221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, though < 1232563224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok < 1232563254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it? < 1232563256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1232563259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to use append-child a lot < 1232563308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the wiki's main page is < 1232563309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#REDIRECT [[X Sharp on wheels]] < 1232563358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the protection level of the original main page is move/edit at autoconfirmed < 1232563362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anons can't even fix those problems < 1232563376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's gone to the effort of getting autoconfirmed, then vandlising it... < 1232563466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is only slightly more annoying than LOLCODE. < 1232563665 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-60537671e738d5ab JOIN :#esoteric < 1232564188 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232564988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1232565005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there is no response to that. You win already. < 1232565005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B < 1232565015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, stop using such a degenerate opening < 1232565021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you have to say B < 1232565033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232565036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game < 1232565120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the channel that is more than gay sex" < 1232565218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PONG < 1232565225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game < 1232565228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232565235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1232565241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232565247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is a complete description < 1232565261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I admit that's a #esoteric meme < 1232565265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't like it < 1232565273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hardly unique to #esoteric like some of the others are < 1232565285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose messing with the topic isn't a #esoteric-specific meme < 1232565289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the goat sacrifices? < 1232565289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loglink possibly is, though < 1232565297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they never really caught on < 1232565312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still new aren't they < 1232565322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we only use it when there are newbies < 1232565352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gay sex is certainly a recurring theme here, you can't deny it :P < 1232565359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1232565360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must be objective. < 1232565370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to redefine the inclusion criteria instead < 1232565377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't scare off the new peopel < 1232565390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new people need thicker skin to survive here :-P < 1232565391 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably be silly to add esolangs to the list? < 1232565402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: when do we talk about esolangs? < 1232565402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: those aren't exactly a meme < 1232565403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1232565406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're what the channel is for < 1232565410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"languages. occasionally programming ones." < 1232565422 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's #linguistics. < 1232565422 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not talking about esolangs, though, is. < 1232565427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232565428 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat < 1232565442 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i like that one either :P < 1232565449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: does #linguistics still have a strict anti-gay-sex policy? < 1232565647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adadasdasdasd < 1232565649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfsddddddddddddddddddddd < 1232565818 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232566524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232566586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1232566589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1232566594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1232566619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1232566624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1232566626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232566626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232566627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232566628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1232566630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232566635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1232566637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$% < 1232566656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUL! < 1232566663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232566666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is valid perl code < 1232566668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1232566670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid after a z-onslaught < 1232566674 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232566677 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232566682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1232566688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni < 1232566717 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1232566727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOWL! < 1232566744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I win < 1232566747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the perl maneuver < 1232566749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1232566759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/win/lose < 1232566766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1232566800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1232566823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how long it takes someone to add the final slash < 1232566826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because look at the rules, oerjan < 1232566836 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RULE 1 : ehird loses < 1232566843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: buy a real rulebook, lamer. < 1232566849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see p645, section 9 < 1232566861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in the ANSI or ISO edition? < 1232566869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules are the same, but the page numbering is different... < 1232566872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jekyll & Montgomery < 1232566882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third.FirstFourth edition < 1232566931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i only have the DVD version < 1232566977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1232566983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the xref tool included < 1232566990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which translates various reference numbers < 1232567003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with appendix by Hyde & Seech < 1232567019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'll just the standardized numbering system from now on (you know, they put it in a whole other spec because none of the specs are consistent enough...) < 1232567077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard with arabic numerals or the one with babylonian numerals? < 1232567109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic, since we're modern people here. < 1232567121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know the last one is really only used on MSN, and is overcomplicated < 1232567147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have a rematch... with the swatter < 1232567149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1232567152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1232567201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1232567215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1232567231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clever move < 1232567238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232567238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foul < 1232567244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have the swatter < 1232567248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232567250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't! < 1232567254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i do < 1232567259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swatter must not be used for games! < 1232567266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:45 < ehird> let's have a rematch... with the swatter < 1232567273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not talking about the physical swatter < 1232567280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see p1333, section 8 < 1232567283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232567292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but then you still lose < 1232567301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "foul" rather than "swat" < 1232567309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have the swatter < 1232567311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i couldn't swat < 1232567312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only foul < 1232567314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gainign me the swatter < 1232567325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1232567335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z < 1232567340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q < 1232567347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1232567353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1232567359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232567364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :î < 1232567382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1232567386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1232567391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1232567404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan for making a triplication ---###
< 1232567408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1232567415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1232567419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232567426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foul < 1232567431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232567435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[nice try, but that was no foul] < 1232567445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it was, the triplication was a trap < 1232567461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but the letter differenciation was 3 < 1232567462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it you have to triplicate, see p983 < 1232567471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right < 1232567475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, swatter goes back to you < 1232567485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1232567498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1232567505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1232567510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232567513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1232567518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1232567520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232567528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1232567535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232567542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irish people are often green. < 1232567545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals swatter
< 1232567552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1232567554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Irish trick, see p1334 section 9) < 1232567557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232567572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1232567573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232567576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232567581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foul < 1232567584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaat < 1232567594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the irish trick you have to do consonant mutation < 1232567602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1232567608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatter goes back to you < 1232567610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 < 1232567613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :participate :P < 1232567631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn < 1232567635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn < 1232567638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, too busy trying to prove a slightly modified version of Russel's Paradox to be self-contradictory < 1232567655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 < 1232567668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(g64,g64) < 1232567678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[triple score for letters+numbers+mathematical expression] < 1232567698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i lose, i cannot make enough letters on irc to answer that < 1232567705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1232567707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: < 1232567775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still say the rules don't take irc properly into account, the internet appendices are really only suitable for email < 1232567792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the email game is obsolete < 1232567795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it relies on real-time, really < 1232567804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i suggest Wadler's book < 1232567818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wadler plays this game? < 1232567827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 100 page or so summary of little things to know when playing over realtime communication like irc < 1232567835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was it he who made the haskell ai for it? < 1232567842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so < 1232567848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's a bit slow < 1232567851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not really suited to irc. < 1232567853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232567872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't they'd have amended the rules < 1232567884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it slower and prevent cheating < 1232567889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally. it's like... the most antagonistic rule committee ever :-D < 1232567894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we luv em. < 1232567944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah putting paul graham in the committee was not such a great idea < 1232567953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing they kicked him out in 2004 < 1232567970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean seriously can you remember oerjan? < 1232567973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my arc AI is sooo fast" < 1232567979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was one good thing that came out of the haskell ai < 1232567981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he ever contribute a non-reverted rule? < 1232568008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did some quine-based ones < 1232568028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses them do they? < 1232568044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody understands them < 1232568062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 lines of incomprehensible symbols < 1232568067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232568076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess people in this channel could decipher it < 1232568177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean _technically_ one of them is official, but no one has ever managed to call that rule without using an AI < 1232568193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the ai produce a pretty parse tree? < 1232568196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would help < 1232568205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course means disqualification in most tournaments < 1232568225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, this is a #esoteric tournament < 1232568229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be allowed here < 1232568229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the RobLet Cup < 1232568233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if written in an esolang < 1232568239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232568252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I propose that right now, as 270:A < 1232568265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a nomic :P < 1232568277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propose it to the committee, or we can just bend rules to it < 1232568280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but proposing is cheating < 1232568288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a house rule provision but it has to be anonymous < 1232568299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be anonymous on irc, really < 1232568300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232568317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been unanimous but a misspelling crept through < 1232568327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232568342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for a laugh look at p2457 < 1232568350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in a special font < 1232568352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all italics < 1232568353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't, it's a goatse < 1232568356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rule parts are so nested < 1232568360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they have to use differing font size < 1232568362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disambiguate < 1232568368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: similar effect on the brain... < 1232568386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fractal maze rule, yeah i've seen it < 1232568404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, one of the first uses of monads outside of category theory < 1232568409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it won some art prize < 1232568411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually structured as a monadic operation < 1232568413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look closely < 1232568432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's that old? < 1232568436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232568439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been revised of course < 1232568450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be from before the 90s < 1232568467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232568472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from 1980-something < 1232568510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: p329 is from the *1970s*, unchanged... < 1232568513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, typo < 1232568517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3329 < 1232568561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the page number was changed. there were only 2000 pages before they computerized the rules < 1232568573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they did that really early on < 1232568574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 70s < 1232568582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's expanded a lot by now < 1232568614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the next edition won't fit on an ordinary DVD < 1232568621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it does? < 1232568626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely < 1232568628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the old text version < 1232568630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper-compressed < 1232568632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a large dvd < 1232568638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have the multi-dvd version I assume? < 1232568642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you know about the formatting < 1232568657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to really < 1232568667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: meh, you just need the multi-dvd compression algorithm < 1232568678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can decode the entire ruleset from the picture of Lenna < 1232568685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not that joke again < 1232568690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puhleeze, that got old in 1999 < 1232568696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I made it in reverse this time < 1232568706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can decode pretty much anything from the picture of Lenna < 1232568707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1232568707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1232568709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know from experience < 1232568714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: creepy < 1232568736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, really creepy would have been if AnMaster had got that joke before my explanation < 1232568742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilst ehird still needed one... < 1232568762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah um the likelyhood of that is 0. < 1232568770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just misread < 1232568770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only because AnMaster is idle < 1232568781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just misread, sheesh < 1232568788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have one DVD. it's the special internet version leaving out the physical play rules. < 1232568805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, the internet is just an appendix < 1232568807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, that one < 1232568810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is actually a trick < 1232568815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it downloads the complete rules from the internet < 1232568820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the install takes so long < 1232568821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder oerjan's been doing so badly all this time < 1232568826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232568828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has the full rules < 1232568828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, my disk is not that large < 1232568836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, the disk just downloads the rules < 1232568842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a ripoff :P < 1232568849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my _hard_disk_ is not that large < 1232568854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232568856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how big is it < 1232568862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules fit compressed on a few dvds < 1232568865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless your hd is tiny... < 1232568885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 GB < 1232568890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's big enough < 1232568997 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232568998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232569032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone highlighted me? < 1232569060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232569062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they didn't < 1232569067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they were discussing a joke you couldn't possibly have got < 1232569076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, anyway < 1232569142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I actually know about Lenna, but I would have thought ais got it the wrong way round instead realising that he meant it as that. < 1232569145 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232569150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk again < 1232569440 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232569680 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232569706 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232569720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2charist < 1232569771 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232570289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232570304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wow < 1232570379 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232570515 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232570539 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232570760 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232571237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, they finally fixed MediaWiki bug 10569 < 1232571241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only reported it in 2007 < 1232571254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's a particularly important one < 1232571262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found it deliberately trying to provoke a failure mode < 1232571276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, I can imagine a vandal having used it for something malicious < 1232571314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1232571389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232571399 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232571453 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i guessed correct what the two most common letters are when measured by amount of google results for 20 of those characters. < 1232571464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232571471 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is trivial to guess < 1232571535 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after second i though mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm might be third, but there i went wrong < 1232571563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you guess? < 1232571573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? < 1232571573 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well x is the first of course < 1232571577 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is the second. < 1232571577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wat < 1232571582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1232571584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wgat < 1232571584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232571606 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x means "unspecified", w i guessed based on www being a common acronym :P < 1232571624 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's the reason. point is i was right, not why i was right. < 1232571644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH or something would top < 1232571663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1232571688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say loads of letters 20 times in here so google indexes them < 1232571689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232571715 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1232571719 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571720 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571720 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571722 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1232571941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232571963 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232572103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (o):::***::::****( )*(~:S~:^):^ < 1232572104 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo ...too much output! < 1232572266 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232572291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232572300 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, they didn't even fix the actual bug < 1232572306 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just its symptoms < 1232572308 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1232572311 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232572392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: link < 1232572409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10569 < 1232572597 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232572620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Redirects to Special:Mypage and Special:Mytalk are no longer allowed]] < 1232572622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painful < 1232572626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we murder the mediawiki devs? < 1232572637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, there might be other pages with the same problem < 1232572639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now or in the future < 1232572655 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, there might be other mediawiki devs, now or in the future < 1232572675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, let's kill MW devs. < 1232572685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the fix makes the list configurable < 1232572699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are some special pages which shouldn't be redirectable-to, like Special:Userlogout < 1232572792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special:LaunchMissiles < 1232572799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, does that work on wikipedia? < 1232572806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to give in to my inner vandal... < 1232572825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1232572835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all redirs to special pages are blocked on Wikipedia < 1232572838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. wait, are you only saying that because of [[WP:BEANS]]? < 1232572852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I see a featured article on Washington D.C., and the image File:Obama_Portrait_2006.jpg on the Main Page. This is absolutely ridiculous -- the U.S. is not the only country in the world, and filling the Main Page just because of the upcoming inauguration is obviously a violation of NPOV. < 1232572858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1232572860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1232572860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, WP:BEANS technically says "Don't tell people not to do something, because they'll be certain to try" < 1232572884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about not giving vandalism hints, although there are good reasons not to do that either < 1232572919 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232573007 0 :adimit!n=AD@zappa.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232573030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to Wikipedia:Main Page < 1232573030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't this page moved out of the article Space? this is only one of some Wikipedia-related things, so please put it into the Wikipedia: namespace, thanks. --84.44.177.212 (talk) 14:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC) < 1232573034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no... < 1232573062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal: < 1232573064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, Portal < 1232573068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's designed for < 1232573083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw you in one of those debates about it from like 2006 a while ago < 1232573087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical ais523 :-P < 1232573131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:REMOVE_THIS_TEMPLATE_WHEN_CLOSING_THIS_AfD < 1232573134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name < 1232573135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1232573137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best < 1232573140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :template < 1232573142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: iirc moving the Main Page has been discussed before < 1232573146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it has nothing to do with its naming, other than being useful in the source < 1232573150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, thus "oh no" < 1232573152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the debates were... heated < 1232573166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sorry about that < 1232573169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name sort-of stuck < 1232573179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you made it? < 1232573187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to invent a migration path for AfD that people could follow without breaking anything and without realising it was happening < 1232573190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I made it < 1232573193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1232573205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wasn't an admin back then < 1232573225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr someone pondering what would happen if something noteable with the name "Main Page" appeared < 1232573226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Starting to implement Wikipedia:AfD reform. This template is initially blank so that the process can be started without interfering with AfD." < 1232573231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232573232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens a lot < 1232573248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AfD? < 1232573258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Articles for Deletion. < 1232573288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxxxxxxxccccccvbnm,. < 1232573291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heavyweight process for deleting things that not even admins can get away with just arbitrarily deleting < 1232573296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH! I wanna make an esolang. < 1232573302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered, you know. < 1232573304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs! < 1232573317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may or may not be forgetful <_________< < 1232573383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a forgetful esolang! < 1232573387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, slashdot would be better if it wasn't so impossible to read the comments. < 1232573390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it GoldFish < 1232573399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i know it's a myth) < 1232573399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1232573408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although the new standard is Digg users < 1232573418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Pilgrim proved that Digg's memory is shorter than a goldfishes < 1232573420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scientifically < 1232573427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1232573431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/10/02/digg < 1232573538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the striked out Japanese Chinese < 1232573568 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232574012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232574021 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232574025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a turing-complete OISC with only one operand? < 1232574040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, http://esolangs.org/wiki/RSSB < 1232574046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what about _no_ operands? < 1232574051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how many operands would you say MiniMAX has? < 1232574064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1232574069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1232574074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word of data to send to the previous command < 1232574078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, definitely >0 < 1232574139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232574144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something stack-based < 1232574273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one instruction, no operands, er that leaves very little actual information content... < 1232574348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hardcoded data < 1232574351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can drive it < 1232574379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um then the real program is the data, surely < 1232574386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232574390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the amount of times it runs differs < 1232574402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sequence it < 1232574405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd ; cmd ; cmd < 1232574409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data: "&*^&*^~HDCUJ" < 1232574410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the problem with MiniMAX is that the operands sort of blur between different commmands < 1232574416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're definitely there < 1232574423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the program is the data < 1232574437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1232574443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs is the ocruances of cmd + the data < 1232574454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mangled that. < 1232574474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird the evil mangler < 1232574498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's ghc's Literate Perl script < 1232574503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it mangles gcc's assembly output) < 1232574507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, literate perl < 1232574510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments are default < 1232574514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's filtered before using < 1232574534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you could just do that with a source filter < 1232574563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232574567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they run perl on it, IIRC < 1232574570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the perl script < 1232574578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1232574595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a source filter /is/ < 1232574619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't use a source filter < 1232574642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then it wouldn't be as evil, duh < 1232574839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literate Perl? < 1232574841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So evil < 1232575234 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literate perl? is that when you have alphanumerics in your source? < 1232575316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1232575319 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232575455 0 :adimit!n=AD@zappa.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232576182 0 :Max_D!n=max@pool-98-112-43-118.lsanca.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232576428 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xP < 1232576436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232576458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1232576576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, are you Max Demian from the wiki? < 1232576702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, nice of you to make an omgrofl implementation just as hope of retrieving the original was lost < 1232576733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALLLLLL HOOOOOPE < 1232576753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very funny to see LOLCODE beaten at its own game < 1232576753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by almost a yea < 1232576753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*year < 1232576764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _specifically_ rubbed out the word "all", after typing it < 1232576781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i supposed technically someone _could_ have mirrored it < 1232576803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought the location at which all hope was lost was the entrance to Malbolge < 1232576809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki is down :( < 1232576813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1232576823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1232576841 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232576843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just locked up < 1232576852 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, went afk, yeah I am Max Demian from the wiki < 1232576866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's working for me I think < 1232576875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, it was just temporary < 1232576884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works now < 1232576927 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have lots of free time, lol. playing with omgrofl just seemed like a good time killer, lol < 1232576927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to kill the creator of LOLCode. < 1232576929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232576988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: HAI. I CAN HAS AXE IN SKULL? < 1232577003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YES WE CAN < 1232577005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KTHXBYE < 1232577057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN HAZ, surely? < 1232577062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is LOLCODE behind the times? < 1232577075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not entirely fluent < 1232577080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write GoL in Haskell. :-D < 1232577085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL? < 1232577090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of Life. < 1232577093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232577095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one: neighboursFold < 1232577099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fold, but includes neighbours. < 1232577108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not implement the rest of RedGreen while you're at it? < 1232577111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ALPACA, fwiw? < 1232577113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1232577116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL is simpler < 1232577117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ALPACA reference interp is rubbish < 1232577137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1232577145 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232577146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Lahey Space is a good fit for GoL. < 1232577150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., wrapping neighbours, but infinite field < 1232577163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief < 1232577175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1232577178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it wouldn't make a difference < 1232577186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not? < 1232577187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lahey space wrapping only matters when you project rays < 1232577191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a cell at the top bound < 1232577193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the bottom < 1232577198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top cell has the bottom as a neighbour < 1232577200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vise-versa < 1232577200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's bounded? < 1232577201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I mean < 1232577202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1232577202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being infinite? < 1232577207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the cell went higher < 1232577210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd still have the same neighbour < 1232577211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1232577215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bounds expand < 1232577219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and contract < 1232577224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neighbours take the bounds into account < 1232577224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a torus which gets bigger < 1232577229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smaller < 1232577230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it get bigger? < 1232577231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially < 1232577234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when things get near the edge? < 1232577241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when they hit beyond the edge < 1232577242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it's likely to expand indefinitely due to gliders < 1232577244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you just store the boundaries < 1232577248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the whole thing < 1232577252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wait... < 1232577255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they get beyond < 1232577257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232577258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a wrapping environment? < 1232577258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they move. < 1232577264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrapping is only for neighbours < 1232577266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells in Life don't move < 1232577270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gliders do < 1232577272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrapping is only for neighbours < 1232577274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they don't < 1232577276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not movement < 1232577282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there is no movement in Life < 1232577283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1232577285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gliders don't move < 1232577288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no shit < 1232577289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, nearby cells turn on < 1232577291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to me < 1232577292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to continue it < 1232577295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: night < 1232577295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a cell turns on outside the field < 1232577299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the field expands < 1232577306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for neighbour calculation, it wraps at the edges < 1232577312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but the cell at the opposite side of the field would also turn on? < 1232577315 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same logic < 1232577318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's getting weird and messed-up, now < 1232577321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no movement in the real world < 1232577323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no, ais523 < 1232577331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: imagine a glider hitting the edge of the map < 1232577334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part of "WRAPPING ONLY APPLIES TO NEIGHBOURS" don't you get < 1232577334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cells beyond it turn on < 1232577341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cells at the other end of the map also turn on < 1232577342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it, apparently. < 1232577348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by only applying to neighbours < 1232577355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what are the neighbors of a cell far outside the field? < 1232577365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing outside of the field... < 1232577366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they wrap, obviously, wrapping only applies to neighbours < 1232577376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what I mean is < 1232577379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: suppose a cell isn't on < 1232577379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so where do new cells come from? < 1232577383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you run the "flipState" function < 1232577387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pass neighbours that wrap < 1232577388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the other end of the field, there are three consecutive on cells < 1232577389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NOTHING ELSE wraps < 1232577390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT ALL < 1232577401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then how do the cells outside the boundary ever turn on < 1232577402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the GoL calculations only deal with the middle cell < 1232577403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to flip < 1232577429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: anyway you _are_ going to get strange edge effects this way < 1232577431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then how do the cells outside the boundary ever turn on < 1232577449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not making any sense to me < 1232577461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: neither are you to anyone else < 1232577473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculating neighbours seems easy to calculate for cells inside the grid < 1232577478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given your current clear definitions < 1232577481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but expanding the grid doesn't < 1232577490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as cells outside the grid don't seem to have defined neighbours to know when to turn on < 1232577502 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232577519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'll just make it unbounded. < 1232577523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though this will cause me hell. < 1232577547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that you have to store the boundaries) < 1232577560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders what C## would be like, if it existed
< 1232577568 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232577577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#csharp exists < 1232577580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c# redirecst there < 1232577585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's only one sharp < 1232577595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, C## would be D, based on enharmonics < 1232577598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's stretching it a bit < 1232577598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232577674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neighbours :: Grid -> Point -> Neighbours < 1232577679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that should be Point -> Grid < 1232577802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1232577807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do most Life implementations store bounds? < 1232577810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a trick < 1232577818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they vary < 1232577852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how do you transform an infinite grid apart from storing bounds? < 1232577877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, isn't a wrapping Life easier to look at? :P < 1232577903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1232577946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wreaks some havoc with simulations if you wrap though, even if the live field is not that large - gliders tend to come back and ruin things < 1232577983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coooooooooooooooool, my random pattern spawned a glider < 1232577983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all life patterns tend to mess up after a while :P < 1232577986 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bleh
< 1232577995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean mess up compared to the ideal < 1232578414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232578570 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION killed the convo with his bleh!
< 1232578590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens < 1232578599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 left < 1232579026 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232579241 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1232579265 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Brb IRL" < 1232579330 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"hejdå!" < 1232579356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, maze generating cellular automata! < 1232579357 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, half the languages in this wiki are the exact same language just with different ways of doing the same thing... no originality =/ < 1232579366 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all brainfuck basically xP < 1232579367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max_D: we agree :-) < 1232579374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's first langi s a brainfuck clone... < 1232579403 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of > you do poop, and < is doodoo, and + is crap < 1232579408 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's feces++ < 1232579429 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232579439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1232579539 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be HUGE < 1232580387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1232580997 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life in matlab: nlfilter(A,[3 3],@(N)sum(sum(N))==3||N(5)&&sum(sum(N))==4) < 1232581024 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't figure out how to only evaluate sum(sum(N)) once...) < 1232581159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1232581169 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or just type 'life' < 1232581171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: nlfilter sounds ... specialized < 1232581180 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-linear filter < 1232581195 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :image filtering < 1232581224 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3 3] is the size of the sub-image you want passed to the function < 1232581268 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what you are talking about :P
< 1232581451 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conways game of life, and image processing, in matlab < 1232581584 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better implementation in the built-in version: < 1232581584 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = [m 1:m-1]; e = [2:m 1]; s = [2:m 1]; w = [m 1:m-1]; < 1232581586 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1, < 1232581588 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N = X(n,:) + X(s,:) + X(:,e) + X(:,w) + X(n,e) + X(n,w) + X(s,e) + X(s,w); < 1232581590 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = (X & (N == 2)) | (N == 3); < 1232581592 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1232583038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1232584359 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: does matlab have lambdas? < 1232584369 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators? forks? < 1232584430 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think @(params)expr could be considered a lambda-function... combinators and forks, I don't know. < 1232584493 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. you can rename the sum with a lambda and use the name < 1232584510 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err. seems like there could be a simple more mathematical hack there < 1232584652 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah probably not < 1232584760 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :min(abs(sum(sum(N)) - 3 - [N(5) 0])) == 0 < 1232584769 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err matlab doesn't distinguish between functions and lists? < 1232584771 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean syntactically < 1232584794 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does [N(5) 0] mean? < 1232584802 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232584804 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit map < 1232584850 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232584852 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh abs < 1232584852 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All values are matrices. Scalars have dimension 1x1. < 1232584864 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you skip the abs and use max? < 1232584917 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232584921 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see < 1232584931 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an implicit map in that case? < 1232584936 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. < 1232584945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1232584952 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know what [N(5) 0] means < 1232584963 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's an array of size 2 containing those two < 1232584983 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 2 3; 4 5 6; 7 8 9] is the syntax for matrices < 1232585035 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N(5) is the fifth element of N (ignoring the second dimension) < 1232585038 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:42, need to sleep now. anyway i'll just assume i guessed it right because it works :P < 1232585041 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it is < 1232585074 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are arrays functions in matlab, can you pass them to, say, map? < 1232585086 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, sleep, can't keep my eyes open < 1232585090 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya ~> < 1232585145 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to explain everything. Most the syntax have evolved and are there for convenience. < 1232585192 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matlab is good att matrix and vector calculation. < 1232585269 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can express an algorithm as a matrix/vector expression, then matlab can execute it quickly. < 1232585355 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A * B = matrix product, with special casing for vector and scalar values. < 1232585568 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585569 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585569 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585570 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585575 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585575 0 :kerlobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585576 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585577 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585577 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585577 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585579 0 :decipher_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585579 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585579 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585580 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585582 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585583 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585583 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585584 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585584 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232585658 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585658 0 :kerlobot!n=kerlobot@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585693 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :adimit!n=AD@zappa.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :decipher_!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585704 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585706 0 :oktabot!n=oktabot@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585706 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585706 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585727 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-214-43-169.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585727 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-40-194.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585755 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585755 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585755 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585756 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585787 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585790 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232585897 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232586250 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck? < 1232586932 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical netsplit, apprently < 1232589371 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles
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ACTION loves the fishes cuase they're so delicious
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ACTION wakes everybody up
< 1232605235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1232607170 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooo... < 1232609847 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"$hiv++" < 1232611086 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1232611109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232611199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232611200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232611361 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1232612326 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232612508 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232612509 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232612520 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232612690 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1232613124 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232613495 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232613497 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232613505 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla < 1232613541 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232613543 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232613743 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232613760 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232614065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1232614114 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you wonder? < 1232614129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds of programming can we do if we force the entire model to be MISD < 1232614187 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in Multiple Instruction, Single data? < 1232614194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232614201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using it loosely here ofcourse < 1232614203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1232614221 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be called CISC. ;) < 1232614247 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232614262 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we had to force all our functions to accept one and only one argument < 1232614272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the functions that act like reduces < 1232614273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: then you'd end up with Unlambda? < 1232614277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232614303 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Lambda Calculus? < 1232614311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i mean more like < 1232614348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amca: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unlambda < 1232614357 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, im not really sure what i mean < 1232614363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the seminal esolangs, you should look it up if you don't know it < 1232614436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just thinking about how the brain processes data, and such. < 1232614451 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess purely functional programming is vaguely like that i suppose < 1232614486 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ive come across it. It is more combinatorial logic than LC isnt it? < 1232614514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232614523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although LC can be compiled into combinatorial logic < 1232614533 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And vice versa? < 1232614536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of anyone who's tried to write Unlambda without going via LC first < 1232614539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for very simple programs < 1232614764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. everything-as-a-stream is interesting too < 1232615028 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a name for that isnt there? Data programming languages? < 1232615049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are stream programming languages < 1232615057 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know of a language where _everything_ must be a stream < 1232615063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all data, anyway < 1232615126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sceql? < 1232615169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean a real language :p < 1232615362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232615398 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232615456 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232615456 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1232615495 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232615495 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-118-123-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232615848 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232615854 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1232617736 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232618125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232618503 0 :oprz!i=d479c1fc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1232618532 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232618540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1232618546 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was coding in +'s and .'s < 1232618548 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this ok? < 1232618561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck? < 1232618571 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232618588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can print fixed strings that way < 1232618615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with wrapping cells < 1232618647 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232618655 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like brainfuck that much < 1232618673 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the PHP function used for parsing brainfuck code < 1232618676 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is cool < 1232618685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know PHP
< 1232618709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brainfuck is implemented in almost everything < 1232618740 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1232618773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are implementations in lots of languages. < 1232618793 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232618811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so simple it's very easy to implement < 1232618824 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is hard to implement < 1232618831 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again my brain is small < 1232618840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not compared to nearly any other languages < 1232618860 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the point of implementing another language into an existing language? < 1232618895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to do it at least once to get the new language running at all :D < 1232618904 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess < 1232618939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people do it as a programming exercise i think < 1232618975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a page on our wiki about esoteric languages implemented in each other < 1232618984 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1232619018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/EsoInterpreters < 1232619270 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look later got to go now < 1232619281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1232619373 0 :oprz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232620526 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232620534 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232621839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1232622786 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232622794 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232625927 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-32-229.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232626658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232627461 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.127.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232627515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1232627917 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo? < 1232628134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1232628277 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1232628432 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] ([] a -> a) -> [] a < 1232628490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so. < 1232628519 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. but can you implement it ? < 1232628533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just [[a] -> a] -> [a]. < 1232628551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, some fix magic there. < 1232628552 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well `[]' doesn't stand for "List", here < 1232628559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: What does it stand for? < 1232628570 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`[]' is supposed to look like the "box" character < 1232628583 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can interpret `[]' as "Code", if you wish < 1232628590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? :p < 1232628634 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a value in `[] a' is an expression/code for a value in `a' < 1232628640 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider things like < 1232628643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1232628644 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval :: [] a -> a < 1232628651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like (2+2) :: [] Integer? < 1232628660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, you'd need a quoting char. < 1232628662 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, `2+2' is an integer < 1232628663 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232628664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2+2} :: [] Integer? < 1232628667 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1232628672 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `(+ 2 2) < 1232628674 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lisps < 1232628693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. so you pass it code that evaluates to a function that takes some code evaluating to type a and returns a value of type a. < 1232628702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it gives you some code evaluating to type a. < 1232628708 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or `<2 + 2>' in MetaML .. i don't recall if MetaO'Caml had the same syntax there) < 1232628713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{eval} works for the first argument. < 1232628724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what does it do? < 1232628738 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1232628747 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to implement it to find out < 1232628758 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a proof of it in a book < 1232628775 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where `[]' is interpreted as "Provable" < 1232628778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x = eval x $ foo x < 1232628783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232628803 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof i've seen seems quite remniscent of < 1232628813 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((lambda (u) < 1232628824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is foo x = eval x $ foo x not a valid definition? < 1232628828 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `(,u ',u)) < 1232628833 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '(lambda (u) < 1232628836 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `(,u ',u))) < 1232628854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: foo x = eval x $ foo x < 1232628856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldw ork, no? < 1232628857 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you squint the right way) < 1232628863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, actually < 1232628864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be < 1232628868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x = {eval x $ foo x} < 1232628879 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1232628945 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might often hang < 1232628969 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that definition is basically the `loebF :: Functor f => f (f a -> a) -> f a', i think) < 1232628976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, loeb. < 1232628980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: But, certainly it would. < 1232628984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still meets the type. < 1232628987 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Loeb's theorem < 1232628995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know < 1232629019 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i think if one implements it correctly, it would never hang (on defined inputs) < 1232629028 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`'´" < 1232629039 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the logic in the book is supposed to be a consistent one ..) < 1232629076 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MizardX : never seen nestable quotes before ?) < 1232629120 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird : another strange thing is that `[] a -> a' is not generally provable in the logic (it would lead to contradiction)) < 1232629143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: `' style quotes are pretty ugly :-P < 1232629145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, really? odd < 1232629158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: ah, goedel-y stuff? < 1232629234 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if `[] a -> a' is a theorem, then `[] ([] a -> a)' is also a theorem, and by loeb's theorem `[] ([] a -> a) -> [] a', we could then deduce that `[] a' is a theorem .. < 1232629258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the universe does not exist. < 1232629287 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. so if we want the logic to be consistent, and want `[]' to really mean "provable", then for any false `a' we'd better not have a proof of `[] a -> a' < 1232629295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1232629299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] a -> Maybe a? < 1232629308 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232629313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1232629314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232629322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win, but not by much < 1232629428 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.. in any case, i'm trying to implement it in haskell .. by defining a data type `[]' .. but the quoting is not obvious how to handle) < 1232629436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois ski__ < 1232629439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... < 1232629444 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : i'm me < 1232629446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining a data type, [], might clash slightly :-P < 1232629452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is #esoteric getting so many new people nowadays? < 1232629457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__ is an AI build out of the ski combinatory calculus < 1232629460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has esolanging accidentally become popular? < 1232629460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I brought this one from #haskell <_< < 1232629462 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i'm not calling it `[]' ! :) < 1232629486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, one of our newbies only came here by chance < 1232629493 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has visited here once or twice before ..
< 1232629506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I think I may be mixing you up with someone else < 1232629506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232629516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried that my INTERCAL evangelism may have gone too far... < 1232629538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grepping the logs for 'ski' is nontrivial < 1232629549 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bows
< 1232629554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.03.19:08:04:31 --- join: ski__ (n=slj@84-217-32-122.tn.glocalnet.net) joined #esoteric < 1232629583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First occurance of "ski": < 1232629583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03.01.21:01:59:01 printed with a befunge prog or something? I recall seeing a sierpinski-triangle-printer once. < 1232629595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YY.MM.DD:HH:MM:SS, in case anyone didn't know) < 1232629649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I keep hitting MichaelRaskin from #IRP < 1232629653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about one of dbc's printed-out ascii-art thingsies. < 1232629665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name Michael Raskin rings a bell. < 1232629673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, how can you remember that? < 1232629683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: With the magic of 'grep'. < 1232629693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say: I cheated. < 1232629705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232629761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ski__ and me have never been in the same channel at the same time before < 1232629764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not while I'm on this client < 1232629773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not surprising, 2006 was before I got this laptop < 1232629799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You only came in here 200 < 1232629801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 < 1232629807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.01.15:09:15:34 --- join: ais523 (n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk) joined #esoteric < 1232629830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, everyone loves CDE < 1232629837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the desktop environment that old server was running < 1232629844 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yurgh < 1232629852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via X forwarding to a terminal running on Windows < 1232629863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think Windows would be preferable to that, ais523. < 1232629871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it didn't have an IRC client < 1232629876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we weren't allowed to install executables < 1232629884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a web-based one? :p < 1232629893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I did pretty much everything back then using xterm < 1232629900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the desktop environment didn't really matter < 1232629905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where I learnt the UNIX command line < 1232630081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:45:05 Yes, I'm enjoying esolangs. I enjoyed the logs, too, before I had access to an IRC client. < 1232630086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were a logreader before you ever came in < 1232630088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1232630095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232630099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were linked from the wiki < 1232630117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while to find an IRC client < 1232630124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without installing any software < 1232630128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or knowing about netcat/telnet < 1232630152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you install firefox? < 1232630153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232630154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatzilla < 1232630157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1232630160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was there already < 1232630162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1232630171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloatzilla, then, I assume < 1232630241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a case of clicking on a irc:// link to see what happened < 1232630241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a really old version of Mozilla < 1232630241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did some really weird things < 1232630252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I blanked Talk:Main Page on Wikipedia by accident, once, for instance, and quite a lot of my edits introduced spurious line breaks. I stopped using Mozilla for Wikipedia when I noticed.) < 1232630506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION complains about human bias on Talk:Main_Page
< 1232630544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Olol < 1232630544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "featured article" full of bilge. This is one of the few really reprehensible things about Wikipedia: that we have so many brilliant articles but we filter them in such a manner that the most ridiculous crap is designated as the best we have. It's pretty horrible. If you're involved in this bilious process, stop. If you're not, stay away from it. Write about what need to be written about , edit the articles that need to be edited, and avoid the pr < 1232630555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Wikipedia pick a FA that won't be complained about? < 1232630561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it physically possible? < 1232630570 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232630615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ I'm left with the urge to ask if wikipedia got paid for running this commercial. ]] < 1232630619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's EVER done that before! < 1232630639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think there have been some FAs that haven't been complained about < 1232630646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't think of one offhan < 1232630650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*offhand < 1232630846 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cut off at "... and avoid the pr") < 1232630944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: you got the gist < 1232630975 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a quote or something you actually wrote just above ? < 1232631045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote < 1232631154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia, request for discussion about the "Nasal Sex → Sexual intercourse" redirect: "Delete. Why would anyone search for nasal sex?" "While I don't wish to speculate the reason why, it was seached for 70 times in novemeber 2008 and 100 times in october." < 1232631202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1232631220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_Sex < 1232631223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redirect fail < 1232632081 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232634179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I entered here first 17 days before ais523 did: < 1232634179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.12.29:12:42:41 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@user-5440e204.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #esoteric < 1232634184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't say anything. < 1232634189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only returned in 2007. < 1232634198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-05-14, to be precise. < 1232634235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:42:41 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@user-5440e204.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #esoteric < 1232634238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:43:09 --- part: ehird left #esoteric < 1232634240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some epic shyness. < 1232634360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a PhD in #esoteric Log Analysis. < 1232634464 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, i was at this lecture just now < 1232634468 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, like, there was this dude < 1232634471 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in front of me < 1232634482 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was coding a function called parseDoubles in java < 1232634486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two hours < 1232634500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you doing? < 1232634516 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well correcting it for two hours, at the end of the lecture, the code was red with errors < 1232634527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232634528 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i was listening to the lecture and reading algebra < 1232634536 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watching him, silently lolling inside < 1232634556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "silently lolling" is a bit of an oxymoron... < 1232634568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is an oxymoron < 1232634570 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was actually not intentional < 1232634572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he breathes, and he's a moron < 1232634574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA < 1232634575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__< < 1232634577 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxD < 1232634600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha that's the funniest joke I've made all year < 1232634606 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also "silently xxxing inside" is the opposite of oxymoron < 1232634611 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a term for it too right? < 1232634619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: your jokes are even worse than AnMaster's < 1232634630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232634632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I'm not entirely sure if it's the opposite < 1232634638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30 < ais523> ehird: your jokes are even worse than AnMaster's < 1232634638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30 < AnMaster> ? < 1232634641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232634644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is physically incapable of looking up one line < 1232634644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1232634646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was funny < 1232634650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232634664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol is an oxymoron <-- I mean that one < 1232634665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's the same thing, a contradiction negated is still a contradiction... < 1232634669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or a tautology < 1232634674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what sort of negating you use < 1232634728 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "silently lol", silently do something out loud, contradictory; "silently ... inside", to do something silently, and not do it out loud, a tautology < 1232634743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oh, silently...inside is a redundancy < 1232634768 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'm pretty sure there's another term for when you do it in english < 1232634794 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, was just pointing out it was doubly weirdly put. < 1232634872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* SimonRC worships B.S. < 1232634883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually referring to Bjrane Stroustrup, but they're equivalent. < 1232634964 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with bjarne? < 1232634974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he invented C++ < 1232634974 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with a lot of his writingz < 1232634978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought it was good < 1232634993 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but he hates the parts that suck as much as everyone < 1232635002 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least according to cpl < 1232635012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like all of them? < 1232635012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232635021 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232635075 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't consider it a bad language, just too low-level for my taste < 1232635137 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (- "asdasdfasdfasdf" "aaa") < 1232635138 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1232635147 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (* "asdasdfasdfasdf" 6) < 1232635147 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdasdfasdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdfasdasdfasdfasdf < 1232636110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes alphabet look and say in thue
< 1232636112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was easy. < 1232636130 0 :asiekierk!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1232636131 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232636132 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back < 1232636133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232636136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of you is back < 1232636141 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I will try out Chef :P < 1232636143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final a got missed somewhere along the line, though < 1232636148 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232636149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oerjan has it < 1232636151 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1232636155 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's better < 1232636155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's good at finding missing letters from nicks < 1232636161 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1232636164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232636172 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the "a" in my backpack < 1232636182 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pulled it out and scanned it, so i could send it IRC-wise to my nickname < 1232636236 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1232636243 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1232636257 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I will try out Chef < 1232636261 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka[Cooki < 1232636268 0 :asiekierka[Cooki!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierkCooking < 1232636282 0 :asiekierkCooking!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone that doesn't understand it please leave this chatroom < 1232636282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy. < 1232636290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting. < 1232636291 0 :asiekierkCooking!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1232636299 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh, ehird is back < 1232636378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been here all this time < 1232636383 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232636546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker redesigned his site, I notice. < 1232636563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a directory index now. < 1232636572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[http://yiap.nfshost.com/index.php] < 1232636842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolframtones is a fun timewaster < 1232636902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Encyclopedia Britannica is becoming a wiki? < 1232636908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an April Fool's joke, I wonder? < 1232636910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... o.O < 1232636918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be. < 1232636922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't April < 1232636925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1232636939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/battle-to-outgun-wikipedia-and-google/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html < 1232636944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found via Slashdot < 1232636959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyword: its online version < 1232636962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the printed one, I assume. < 1232636968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although probably they'll backport changes < 1232636974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's almost impossible to run a printed wiki < 1232636975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I were to be the CEO of Google or the founders of Google I would be very [displeased] that the best search engine in the world continues to provide as a first link, Wikipedia," he said."Is this the best they can do? Is this the best that [their] algorithm can do?" < 1232636983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those crossings-out and tippex build up after a while < 1232636984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Wikipedia is bad because I said so < 1232636990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't fit all that many people around the book < 1232637031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citizendium-style, it seems, they haven't gone /completely/ against type < 1232637100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1232637110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you call (x) from P'' in one uppercase letter? < 1232637113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P for parens? < 1232637158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I know P'' but not its notation < 1232637161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does (x) do again? < 1232637232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R ( R ) L ( r' ( L ( L ) ) r' L ) R r < 1232637233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := < 1232637236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ > ] < [ − [ < [ < ] ] − < ] > + < 1232637240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, loop. < 1232637244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1232637250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need in one capital letter? < 1232637256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because. :P < 1232637259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's inherently a two-different-places operation? < 1232637270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P seems most logical to me, for parens. < 1232637296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underlambda it is (or will be) w for while, but that's a lowercase letter < 1232637421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will be"? < 1232637528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it isn't properly specced yet < 1232637531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fluid < 1232637549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more interested in getting Underlambda right rather than having it ready quickly < 1232637583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, underlambda < 1232637670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other big new esolang project, besides Feather < 1232637762 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232639032 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232639387 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O for lOOp < 1232639665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run :: P -> State < 1232639667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1232639726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, no parsing, it's for a genetic algorithm < 1232639731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see logs 07.05.17 < 1232639750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no *you* see logs < 1232639865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in P'' < 1232639866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r ≡ λR, r′ ≡ rn < 1232639868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does r' mean < 1232639869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232639870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1232639873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232639876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's r^n < 1232639879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie superscript < 1232639910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the opposite of r < 1232639910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r increments, r' decrements < 1232639921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you decrement by incrementing one less times than the max < 1232639924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via overflow < 1232639947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no max. < 1232639952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1232639959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' has a max value of n-1 < 1232639963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is n < 1232639963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is normally set to 2, but can be set higher < 1232639969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a different lang for each value of n < 1232639977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware < 1232639982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going by infinite ints < 1232639999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1232640002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as they can only be incremented, not decremented, bignum P'' would be kind-of pointless... < 1232640009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll interpret P''_256 < 1232640018 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232640018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's cheating < 1232640023 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be entirely pointless? < 1232640025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing P'' because it's more mathematical-looking than BF? < 1232640033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ah, that's actually an interesting question < 1232640043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at all sure now < 1232640044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:00 < ais523> are you doing P'' because it's more mathematical-looking than BF? < 1232640044 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1232640047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure yes, but i don't instantly see why it couldn't let you do at least something < 1232640047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler to implement < 1232640050 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232640052 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1232640057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run' :: State -> P -> State < 1232640058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run' (t,h) R = (t, h+1) < 1232640058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run' (t,h) L = (t',h') < 1232640058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where t' = gTake h t ++ [(t !!! h) + 1] ++ gDrop h t < 1232640058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : h' = if h == 0 then 0 else h - 1 < 1232640061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run' s (C p q) = run' (run' s p) q < 1232640062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run' (t,h) (P q) < 1232640065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | (t !!! h) == 0 = (t,h) < 1232640067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = run' (run' (t,h) q) (P q) < 1232640068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would effectively be BF with a set-to-1 command rather than + and - < 1232640070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9-line P'' implementation < 1232640072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for bignums...) < 1232640086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does !!! do/ < 1232640095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!!) = genericIndex < 1232640105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a=>[b]->a->b < 1232640109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nth element of a list < 1232640109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can figure it out. < 1232640115 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232640117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange operator < 1232640117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's normally !! < 1232640119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only takes Ints < 1232640121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Integers < 1232640125 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (!!) < 1232640125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1232640125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finite tape < 1232640128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no < 1232640129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (!!!). < 1232640133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:02 < ehird> yes it's normally !! < 1232640135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:02 < ehird> but that only takes Ints < 1232640135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:02 < ehird> instead of Integers < 1232640135 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's essentially !! < 1232640137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:02 < ehird> so finite tape < 1232640140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't they just take anything of numeric type? < 1232640147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because haskell has warts, too < 1232640155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible, it should be fixed < 1232640164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*integral type < 1232640166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done, said, easier than < 1232640170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexing with floats is obviously silly < 1232640176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're dealing with Haskell lists < 1232640181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less silly in other langs, it actually works in JS) < 1232640198 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well does js have lists < 1232640206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it has arrays < 1232640209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're basically just hash tables < 1232640214 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it have hashmaps < 1232640215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put any junk you like in the subscript and it works < 1232640216 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1232640232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite clever, really < 1232640235 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was more of a statement. < 1232640237 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no it's not < 1232640240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no actual reason but efficiency to differ arrays and hashmaps < 1232640240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by clever you mean slow and hacky. < 1232640243 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk generalizes it much better < 1232640246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes there is < 1232640249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays don't have gaps. < 1232640270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's just an arbitrary restriction < 1232640270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it fucks up iteration. < 1232640278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iteration still works just as well < 1232640284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: allowing arrays not to be an elephant is also an arbitrary restriction < 1232640289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's part of the definition of arrays. < 1232640291 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's arbitrary, but there are also things that are not arbitrary < 1232640301 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all merging, inserting and deleting < 1232640316 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the behavior simply has to be different < 1232640318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should generalise those operations to hashmaps too < 1232640324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a delete-adjust action, for instance < 1232640329 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact hashmaps and functions are closer together than lists and hashmaps < 1232640354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists are different from arrays, though < 1232640363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that lists aren't really designed to be indexed < 1232640372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be accessed from the start much more easily than from the end < 1232640397 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's *much* more arbitrary than the distinction ehird mentioned. < 1232640417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1232640425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, when you delete from an array, which way do the elements shift? < 1232640427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a list it's obvious < 1232640438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the end < 1232640439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not obvious that they should go left not right in an array, because they're symmetrical < 1232640441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:07 < ehird> the end < 1232640442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:07 < ais523> but it's not obvious th < 1232640443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1232640444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1232640447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python calls its arrays lists. < 1232640449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are talking about LINKED lists < 1232640454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please be aware of the difference < 1232640455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and Lisp-like lists < 1232640462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which are linked lists. < 1232640468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232640472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more like binary trees than arrays < 1232640472 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also called lists < 1232640477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list" != "linked list" < 1232640484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well < 1232640486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is correct < 1232640492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, if you insist on defining a list as an array of course they're the same < 1232640497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, Python naming here is just confusing < 1232640498 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list should be used for arrays without the arrayish properties < 1232640504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list is a list. < 1232640543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I think I agree < 1232640550 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232640556 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays have a strongly typed feel to them < 1232640571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think lists and ring buffers are pretty similar < 1232640575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas arrays and ring buffers aren't < 1232640601 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1232640634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can imagine a list which somehow contains itself, at the end < 1232640644 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more of a philosophy question of course, the terms aren't that standard < 1232640647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232640667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fundamental difference is that arrays are inherently linked to (positive/nonnegative) integers < 1232640669 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are standard in that many ppl have an opinion on what they obviously mean < 1232640670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a method of indexing < 1232640676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are lists < 1232640678 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those opinions don't always agree < 1232640681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deleting elements from an array isn't really an intuitive operation at all < 1232640686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fit arrays, really < 1232640686 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232640687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not linked lists though < 1232640689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it involves renumbering < 1232640698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting from a list, though, does make sense < 1232640730 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232640789 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's that late. < 1232640801 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to start doing an unspecified thing ~ < 1232640804 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1232640810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232640896 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232640969 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-132.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232642094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N64/squidvswhale.html < 1232642138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it answer 3 foxes vs. polar bear? < 1232642142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be wondering about that one for years, now < 1232642148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be inhumane to find out by experiment < 1232642152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232642155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's unlikely to happen in the wild... < 1232642165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing to do with squids v whales < 1232642203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then why the URL? < 1232642224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a whale is a badly-configured web browser with no caching, and a squid is a sort of proxy, maybe? < 1232642239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1232642247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think squid vs whale is the name of the column. < 1232642261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my explanation bette < 1232642263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*better < 1232643131 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232643200 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232643843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, although I have not tested Safari 3.1, I am relatively certain it will not render properly in any released browser. " < 1232643847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://annevankesteren.nl/2009/01/moving-the-goalposts < 1232644162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: someone tried to design a page that wouldn't render? < 1232644174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that SHORTTAGS one we had in here a while back? < 1232644179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: clicking the link helps < 1232644190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I prefer to do my internetting over IRC and email < 1232644204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't get context, that's your loss < 1232644216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I could pipe lynx -dump into here < 1232644245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232644476 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-57.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232645950 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-49-244.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232646141 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-114-172.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232647240 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232647258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232647424 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :retarded_monkey < 1232648380 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232648406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not notable enough to have a page. There are thousands of thousands books. A book must be very very notable to have a page(e.g. Bible, Quran, Dante's divine comedy etc etc). < 1232648412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what this guy thinks of the Pokemon articles. < 1232648770 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232648778 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232650513 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232650530 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232651245 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232651267 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232651556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232651865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would he mind those? There are less Pokemons than books. < 1232651934 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now. < 1232652172 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-26-251.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232652351 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232652829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1232652832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone home? < 1232653905 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232653932 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232653981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232653997 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232654856 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232655558 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-096-138.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232656402 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232657039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he breathes, and he's a moron < 1232657046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHIRD MUST DIE < 1232657059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait he's not here < 1232657157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the silence while it lasts < 1232657163 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232657206 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-132.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232657219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silence of the lambdas < 1232657233 0 :retarded_monkey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1232657255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't going to say that but his finger decided to miss the s
< 1232657402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe oerjan has it < 1232657416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely, my dialect drops final vowels all over the place < 1232657459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which may or may not be a's < 1232657495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/all over the place/in infinitives/, really < 1232657593 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232657970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait ais523 is not here either? < 1232658111 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's here, maybe you should leave too. < 1232658122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::´( < 1232658153 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree it's sad, but hey, you can't tell a goat to be sacrificed. < 1232658185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say that, it's remarkable what science can do < 1232658192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science! < 1232658306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least they weren < 1232658310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t klined < 1232658320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for klines! < 1232658332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forklines! < 1232658352 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232658374 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU TOOK THE WHITESPACE OUT LOL < 1232658392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in deed < 1232659040 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232659246 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-248.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232659488 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.80.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232659495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fucking ISP is unable to maintain DNS servers < 1232659507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inable < 1232659516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err maybe unable < 1232659563 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232659662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe time to enable a local dns server then? < 1232659670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using opendns. < 1232659677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it sucks too. < 1232659689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use a local recursive resolver. < 1232659705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you special. < 1232659707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bypasses isp, no idea why that works < 1232659726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why use opendns, when setting it up to query directly works just as well < 1232659747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tcpdump indicates it query root servers directly sometimes) < 1232659768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to set up custom DNS server, maintain it [even though i really fucking don't want to bother with that], and do all this without access to DNS: days, weeks, who knows. < 1232659777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to stick in the OpenDNS ip: 20 seconds. < 1232659783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IPs < 1232659900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, emerge bind; emacs /etc/namedb/named.conf; /etc/init.d/named start < 1232659909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs /etc/resolve.conf < 1232659911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1232659918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1232659920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs /etc/resolv.conf < 1232659921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1232659936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"emerge bind" < 1232659937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hours < 1232659944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"emacs /etc/namedb/named.conf" < 1232659947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is interrupted by < 1232659955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kill yourself for wasting so much fucking time" < 1232659958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the process stops there. < 1232660113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "emerge bind" <-- genlop (a tool analyzing emerge.log) says average merge time was 7 minutes and 23 seconds for bind on my system < 1232660135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also why in such a hurry? < 1232660222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'd rather put in the OpenDNS IPs in 20 seconds than wait hours compiling and configuring BIND for ABSOLUTELY NO GAIN WHATSOEVER other than a weird form of nerd mental masturbation? < 1232660237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, good fucking luck installing + configuring bind without any DNS < 1232660251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't start? oh snap good luck finding out why! < 1232660325 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232660349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, you could just use host to query root servers directly < 1232660360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use some existing dns server you have installed < 1232660368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any < 1232660371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, everyone has a DNS server installed. < 1232660385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now WHY would I do this over putting in the opendns IPs until my ISP gets its act together? < 1232660389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well since OS X is based on *BSD I would assume so. bind is part of FreeBSD base < 1232660396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'd be a few hours without annoying search pages on invalid resolves < 1232660408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I'd have wasted many more hours getting it working. What fun. < 1232660425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it takes less than 30 minutes for me to set it up < 1232660450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is dns over irc while you set it up: asking friends (like me) to resolve the domain for you < 1232660452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it takes me less than 30 seconds to put the OpenDNS IPs in. < 1232660452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1232660470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"friends (like me)" hahahah. And I couldn't connect to freenode, duh. < 1232660479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well if you don't want it, fine, however it is useful even during normal operation < 1232660484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh. < 1232660494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I daily wish I ran my own DNS server. < 1232660494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster dns since it caches more locally < 1232660496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not < 1232660499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232660526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:44:06 EHIRD MUST DIE < 1232660526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:44:19 erm wait he's not here < 1232660526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:45:57 enjoy the silence while it lasts < 1232660527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harsh < 1232660622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232660625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back) < 1232660653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1232660655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1232660655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1232660655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use < 1232660655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232660658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new < 1232660661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line < 1232660663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1232660666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation < 1232660668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1232660671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean < 1232660674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1232660675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should < 1232660678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be < 1232660681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discriminated < 1232660683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :against. < 1232660700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232661222 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232661646 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@131.151.190.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232662296 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232662511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeseitedoesebuteitecouldebeeworse < 1232662601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee < 1232662620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildebeest < 1232662629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wild E Bee St. < 1232662659 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232662675 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/de/Dancing_cats.gif < 1232662679 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DERP DERP < 1232662695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked and saw a cat but it was stationary. < 1232662699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have my money back? < 1232662716 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not, ehird < 1232662719 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It moves! < 1232662725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people would like cats on their stationary < 1232662755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: my browser hates you :( < 1232662769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he is thinking of the right word
< 1232662837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's spelled stationery < 1232663155 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232664621 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In.Lojban,.you.can.use.dots.to.separate.words. < 1232664636 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But--that--indicates--that--you--pronounce--it--like--this. < 1232664674 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :",." is interesting < 1232664687 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess that's just "." < 1232664695 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no phonetician < 1232664740 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it can affect the prosody of the preceding word. < 1232664772 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My.uncle,.Jack" and "My.uncle.Jack" are different. < 1232664954 0 :Max_D!n=max@pool-98-112-43-118.lsanca.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232664965 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blah
< 1232665432 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: err maybe in english. not in lojban < 1232665436 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know what prosody is. < 1232665447 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming it's something that makes what i said true. < 1232665458 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232665483 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232665511 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prosody is the part of speech that you can't express with a list of words. < 1232665551 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1232665578 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665578 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665581 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665583 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232665585 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232665619 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very good example of a sentence consisting virtually entirely of prosody. < 1232665696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1232665702 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1232665717 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had that that had that had had that that had had that had that that had, I would have had that. < 1232665745 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will tell you the grammar of the above sentence for make benefit. < 1232665748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1232665760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ruin a good puzzle for us < 1232665775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's EVIL, duh < 1232665795 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had that "that" had that "had had" that that "had had" had that that had, i would have had that < 1232665799 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a parsing at least < 1232665812 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232665821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that actually helped you see what parsing i meant ;) < 1232665880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had that bad hat that that that had had that bat had that hat hat < 1232665901 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= that ; ::= that that ; ::= had ; ::= had had ; ::= had , I would have had that. < 1232665911 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the grammar of the above sentence. < 1232665918 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it's still an ambiguous grammar. < 1232665930 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay. < 1232665933 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1232665946 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm wrong in that sentences of the form "I like that had had ice cream." aren't actually valid. < 1232665947 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bout you put some parens in < 1232665961 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bored... yay!
< 1232665969 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll put parentheses in according to my incorrect grammar. < 1232665974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what that that what that that what that that what that what would that what? < 1232665975 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: yes please < 1232666012 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had (that that (had (that (had had (that that (had had (that (had (that that had)))))))))), I would have had that. < 1232666050 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like coming up with a better grammar. < 1232666054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++6+++ < 1232666056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++51 < 1232666057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.023 < 1232666057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1232666070 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how a sentence can have its own grammar < 1232666081 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooo < 1232666082 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooo < 1232666089 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't; that's a really tiny segment of English grammar that's sufficient for this sentence. < 1232666095 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: looks familiar < 1232666125 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's valid... what's the language again < 1232666129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that intentional? < 1232666131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that that that that that that that that that that refers to refers to refers to refers to nothing < 1232666534 0 :Max_D!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232666651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: should be intentional; isn't < 1232666723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should should be intentional isn't isn't intentional < 1232666836 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wait actually, nm, there's no "+" instruction in the lang i'm thinking of. but, the structure looks the same < 1232667620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw/2008177548_pacificpendgame14.html < 1232667799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he totally lost the game lol get it < 1232667852 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232667853 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1232667855 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1232669355 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232669471 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-106-129.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232669624 0 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:GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :adimit!n=AD@zappa.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :decipher_!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701145 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232701167 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232704313 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232704324 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232704439 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232705887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232705938 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232705947 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232705962 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232705970 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232705971 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232706242 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232706243 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232706251 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232706273 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232706282 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232706283 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232706362 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232706362 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232706371 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232711856 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232712081 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232712254 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232712463 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232712964 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232713224 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232713232 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232713233 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla < 1232713532 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232713538 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232713575 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232713577 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-51-20.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232716720 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust528.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1232717200 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232717568 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232717985 0 :ehird!n=unrelate@91.105.80.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232718043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1232718098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a user matching bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org repeatedly < 1232718099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconnecting so the host eso-std.org was banned. This was only in place < 1232718099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a short time and you should be able to connect now. < 1232718109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: fix bsmnt_bot so people can't make it disconnect < 1232718111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, thx, bai < 1232718397 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1232718441 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two scripts: one keeping the connection up, and binding input/output to stdin/stdout. The other handling the interaction trough stdin/stdout < 1232718466 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can quit the latter script, and let the first script reload it < 1232718702 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232718737 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible with subprocess.Popen < 1232718763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yes, but, that's a pretty big restructuring < 1232718765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could do it < 1232718796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION restarts bouncer.
< 1232718821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1232718824 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232718846 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1232718868 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1232719285 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232719609 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232720640 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232722148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/38736 < 1232723750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/23/google-puts-the-squeeze-on-free-apps/ <-- Meh, Google are cutting down the free Google Apps. < 1232723759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sok, I don't mind paying a bit a year to avoid running a mail server. < 1232723843 0 :oklopoll!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232723878 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is so awesome < 1232723880 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1232723882 0 :oklopoll!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1232723889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1232723902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232723909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do what the fuck i want < 1232723915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm free < 1232723915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject to some laws. < 1232723927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, that's a MAY NOT, not a CAN NOT. < 1232723935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't break the laws of physics. i mean, probably. < 1232723948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232723953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's true < 1232723969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then, if you could break the laws of physics everyone would fuck up everything < 1232723974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't be able to do what you want any more < 1232723985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232723988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true too < 1232724003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the point is i'm free enough < 1232724008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not even the best part < 1232724016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is there's so much that's awesome i can do < 1232724043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you 20 yet? you being 20 would be weird < 1232724048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost. < 1232724056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't think you can be 20. physically impossibl < 1232724057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232724059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 20 in a month. < 1232724060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll go like < 1232724063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19.9 -> 19.0 < 1232724067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1232724073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible. < 1232724091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more than a month, more like two months < 1232724163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1232724166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1232724176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're correct in that i'm definitely not 20. < 1232724179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1232724184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more like 15 < 1232724225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol will you get all boring when you get older :( < 1232724245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, probably ;) < 1232724251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go completely insane < 1232724261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe both. < 1232724268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait, _go_? < 1232724295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, currently i'm only insane in the good way, for the most part. < 1232724359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have weird opinions and i have weird ideas. but i'm able to talk to people, and i don't often yell during classes etc. < 1232724387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol being decent at social interaction is still an idea I haven't yet grasped < 1232724388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course i'm not good at either of those, and i'm getting worse < 1232724394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232724396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232724401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1232724401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1232724403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooko < 1232724407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkey oko :-| < 1232724409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooofololololo < 1232724419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooofolololololo < 1232724426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ookookookookookookook!ook?ook. < 1232724432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude omg that turned out so perfectly in my client < 1232724433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27 ooooooooooooofololololo < 1232724433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27 ooooooooooooofolololololo < 1232724437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they freaking line up < 1232724456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been weirder instances of oko. < 1232724478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's this sound, 6 hours of silence, then two guys simultaneously produce an oko of the same lenght? < 1232724480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*length < 1232724501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. without planning it. < 1232724503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds oko < 1232724757 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232724810 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232726346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okolokopokolol < 1232727633 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232727768 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232729900 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232730232 0 :Judofyr__!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232730293 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232730729 0 :Judofyr__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr_ < 1232730823 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232730859 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232730869 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1232731082 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232731729 0 :Zetro_!n=mattias@d83-183-202-119.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232732484 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232732761 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232734196 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232734283 0 :Zetro_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232736999 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-113.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232737347 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232739604 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232740392 0 :Hiato1!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232740575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MizardX: yes, but, that's a pretty big restructuring < 1232740599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, isn't that just a slightly more primitive version of my suggestion to put bsmnt_bot on the bouncer? < 1232740653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would work < 1232740795 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232740891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean, i have weird opinions and i have weird ideas. but i'm able to talk to people, and i don't often yell during classes etc. < 1232740905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have many people in your classes that do? :D < 1232740989 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-60-80.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232741038 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232741046 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/de/Dancing_cats.gif < 1232741048 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doo doo doo < 1232741052 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANCE < 1232741095 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232741186 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: impossible < 1232741209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not < 1232741254 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232741259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232741284 0 :oerjan_!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232741292 0 :oerjan_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232741305 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becausey ou can execute arbitrary code... < 1232741306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232741317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you embed it in another process that handles the irc, duh :P < 1232741321 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232741448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232741596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm the worst in that area. < 1232742143 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232742492 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dancing_cats: wtf < 1232742502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, who the fuck makes plays like that < 1232742570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would watch it < 1232742585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hopefully someone, looks fun. < 1232742600 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy < 1232742608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a horrible person < 1232742617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1232742627 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : The dancing cats are awesome < 1232742628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs oklopol
< 1232742633 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could watch it for hours < 1232742642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes but you're a crazy 4channer < 1232742650 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omae mo na :( < 1232742658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dancing_cats.gif is not the same as that play < 1232742671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that PLAY was undoubtedly created by some crazy cat lady < 1232742773 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1232742801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the play < 1232742826 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly slereah thinks that dancing_cats.gif is just some little animation someone made of dancing cats < 1232742849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly you think it's not < 1232742851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he fails to realize is that dancing_cats.gif is an animation someone made from video of an actual theatre play < 1232742856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse its not! < 1232742864 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch that play < 1232742869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course schof schmourse < 1232742885 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, your fake yiddish sucks < 1232742904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*schmof < 1232742909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232742937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you're unable to understand it when people stretch language when they stretch it in ways that look like they might be due to failure. < 1232742946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've learned not to give a shit < 1232742962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway plz link play or didn't happen < 1232742985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pattern is, in general, that the second repetition drops the first consonant and replaces it with schm < 1232743003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly < 1232743014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt distribute across every word in the reduplicated phrase. < 1232743022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, that was the stretch < 1232743051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you assumed i have somehow managed not to get how it works < 1232743059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit weird < 1232743065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a fucking substitution < 1232743124 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks oklopol
< 1232743130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232743138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232743181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooo < 1232743181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooo < 1232743182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo < 1232743195 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anal rape? < 1232743216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232743222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION anal raeps lament
< 1232743232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raep pear! < 1232743244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pear raep! < 1232743250 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1232743250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastes good, feels good and also is a palindrome! < 1232743254 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spear rapes < 1232743279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate metarapes < 1232743322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is so trivial to make palindromes in < 1232743327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean everything means something < 1232743341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true! < 1232743353 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true eurt sti! < 1232743368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just look at that < 1232743373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a retard can make a palindrome! < 1232743427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is full of such interesting people < 1232743432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i know any lunatics irl < 1232743438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently theres at least ONE person on the internet < 1232743441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the kind of lunatics that are insane < 1232743445 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's username is "eurtsti" < 1232743450 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ironically, lament, ... < 1232743457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1232743466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's true, eurtsi!" DOES mean something < 1232743466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1232743480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this other finnish guy, who's nick is oklopol < 1232743489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some hockey forum < 1232743494 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's your evil twin from the parallel universe < 1232743498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a goatee < 1232743503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1232743504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah! < 1232743511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your evil twin is clean shaven! < 1232743525 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pix < 1232743620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone should make a more realistic guy fawkes mask < 1232743638 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would buy it? < 1232743649 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only buy the Epic Fail GUy mask myself. < 1232743650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would! < 1232743653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1232743659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you buy V masks is what you buy < 1232743715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres such irony in V for Vendetta using guy fawkes as its iconic inspiration < 1232743762 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1232743766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1232743773 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was sort of an icon for 19th century anarchists < 1232743784 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i find that surprising < 1232743796 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mostly as a joke I think < 1232743800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he was trying to blow up parliament so he could institute a catholic theocracy of sorts < 1232743807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as a joke, thats different < 1232743812 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had this all "The only man to enter parliament with good intentions" < 1232743825 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe V is supposed to have chosen it in self deprecating irony < 1232743834 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back then, anarchists were mostly about blowing stuff up < 1232743843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well sure we still are < 1232743846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which < 1232743851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blows slereah up
< 1232743885 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/up// < 1232743891 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting that. < 1232743961 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, you did it < 1232743965 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it say about you? < 1232743993 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I would perform oral sex on you. < 1232744007 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1232744136 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you perform oral sex on a woman? < 1232744223 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, they have no penis! < 1232744227 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi lament < 1232744265 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the that ehird is spouting about priviledge seperation < 1232744269 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be sensible! < 1232744360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1232744478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you mean would I perform oral sex on a woman, or a person with a vagina? there's a difference, at least in that some women are transwomen and therefore have penises, while some men are transmen and therefore have vaginas. < 1232744483 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: user code is already executed in a different thread, so it should be too hard to make it into a different proccess. you have my permission, go < 1232744501 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i don't think the state of vaginoplasy is good these days < 1232744515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this. whats your point? < 1232744585 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm confused by your terminology. < 1232744594 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transwoman = male-to-female transexual < 1232744599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using "woman" in the sense people normally use the word. < 1232744599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transman = female-to-male transexual < 1232744607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that it's such a deformed vagina you could just as well think of it as just a retarded penis, and therefore be able to perform on it, i presume < 1232744618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: but the people i know use it to mean biofemales and transwomen! < 1232744628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what you mean! < 1232744665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://i30.tinypic.com/2qdxv7r.jpg is this a woman in your definition? < 1232744669 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/biofemale/ciswoman/ < 1232744673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want to open that < 1232744676 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biofemale sounds retarded < 1232744676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciswoman haha :) < 1232744683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: its safe, dont worry < 1232744689 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: who is that sexy beast? < 1232744697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy i know < 1232744707 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : That looks like a faggot < 1232744708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's hot isnt he? :D < 1232744711 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give him my number, will you? < 1232744714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah2: oh he IS a faggot :D < 1232744721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! hes mine! you cant have him! >O < 1232744751 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he's not yours at all < 1232744757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not :( < 1232744762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: woman or not? < 1232744793 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't opened the image, but judging by the fact that everybody says "he", he must be a man? < 1232744809 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well take a look at the image and tell me what you think < 1232744824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i? everybody agrees it's a man < 1232744829 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll follow the consensus < 1232744840 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I think < 1232744846 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a woman < 1232744847 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, so you mean women to mean ciswomen and transwomen < 1232744853 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since psygnisfive beats off to trannies < 1232744874 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that boy is infact a transboy, yes slereah. but i think he'd punch you if you said he's a woman :P < 1232744901 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet she punches like a girl < 1232744906 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1232744932 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cgi.4chan.org/r/src/1232744300603.jpg < 1232744935 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp derp < 1232744939 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nsfw you idiots) < 1232744956 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck fake tits < 1232744962 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :her cock is nice but girls :( < 1232744992 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_omgz/2552900.html < 1232744997 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this one male or female? < 1232745012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf XD < 1232745215 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cellulite in cellophane", yeah. BTW, female, pretty sure. < 1232748026 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232748894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: I'll patch ircbot.py, then. < 1232749186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ircbot.py patched, now for runloop.py < 1232749619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class StdoutChildSafetyWrapperForYourProtection: < 1232749620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : def write(self, a): < 1232749621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if a.startswith('QUIT'): < 1232749623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : raise MmmNopeIDontThinkIllLetYouDoThatThankYou < 1232749644 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....lol < 1232749655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking half-assed code to a whole new level < 1232749661 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to add strict rate limiting too < 1232749663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, had a sex change recently bsmntbombgirl? < 1232749664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yep < 1232749667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so < 1232749733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once per every 2 seconds? makes sense < 1232749775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, it's breakable < 1232749779 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232749789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.stdout._StdoutChildSafetyWrapperForYourProtection__original_stdout < 1232749794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl actually doesn't think the state of vaginoplacy is good these days. < 1232749801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sy < 1232749937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: let's see if that works < 1232749940 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're doing it wrong < 1232749954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's a way to actually get totally secret data in python bsmntbombgirl < 1232749961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232749964 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG < 1232749965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could rate limit in the wrapper script. < 1232749967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work < 1232749970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i not think of that? < 1232749972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because I am stupid? yes < 1232749993 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the child communicates with the parent via a socket pair, right? < 1232749997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1232750001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1232750048 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.stdout.write = lamba x:parent_socket.write("PLEASE_WRITE_THIS_DATA_TO_IRC %s" % x) < 1232750069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, exactly < 1232750070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1232750073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wha ti'm doing < 1232750075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1232750076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1232750101 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think bsmnt_bot needs to be split up a little more < 1232750111 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one big file is getting cumbersome < 1232750123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still developerizing it? < 1232750142 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1232750170 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm going to my shitty local library to see if they have a book < 1232750226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know Communication is the most critical and time-consuming activity in software engineering? < 1232750258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here gooooooooooooooooooooooooes, bsmntbombgirl < 1232750299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1232750299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/bot/runloop.py", line 3, in ? < 1232750301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : import queue < 1232750303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImportError: No module named queue < 1232750305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1. Fail < 1232750331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you know what i realized to today for the seven hundredth time < 1232750335 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232750337 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1232750350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that deque is kindof a pun for *deck* < 1232750365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's just so clever < 1232750405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean two perfectly logical derivations that lead to the same term < 1232750411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just so clever < 1232750433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationale is the justification of decisions < 1232750557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, mr bot, just waddle in here < 1232750565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1232750566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be shy < 1232750600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1232750600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/bot/ircbot.py", line 381, in ? < 1232750601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bot.listen(first) < 1232750603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "/bot/ircbot.py", line 107, in listen < 1232750605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : line = raw_input() < 1232750607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOFError: EOF when reading a line < 1232750609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally, dear bot < 1232750611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck my dick, < 1232750619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoopid wrapper < 1232751535 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232752242 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232752307 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232752972 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232753413 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232753415 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232754422 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232754946 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232755116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232755437 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232755476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so guys how is backwards land < 1232755487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its wonderful! < 1232755489 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh.. i mean < 1232755497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lufrednow sti! < 1232755501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did that not reverse properly < 1232755501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232755529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1232755532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that work? < 1232755546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232755549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1232755562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you were trying to write "tset" < 1232755565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but backwards < 1232755571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, it worked < 1232755574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232755596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232755647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that xkcd comic < 1232755662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the text was mirrored and upside down or something < 1232755671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it says "wanna annoy the hell out of our readers" < 1232755676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm like what the fuck is the joke < 1232755688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the joke? < 1232755691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is < 1232755692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU < 1232755694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamamoa < 1232755695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1232755709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well supposedly some people can't read mirrored text :| < 1232755717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lamamoa" = lame samoa? < 1232755722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‮hello world < 1232755724 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :samoan llama? < 1232755777 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hello world program, and a (slightly restricted) cat program, are easily some of the simplest programs in my wip language :O < 1232755779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‮so gentlemen, how are you today? Are you enjoying the amazing thing known as backwards? < 1232755783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this awsum < 1232755795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1232755806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->‮<-- < 1232755813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy < 1232755816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then type between the arrows < 1232755819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then deplete arrows. < 1232755829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> so easy a green could do it<-- < 1232755832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that broke < 1232755839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‮OH WELL < 1232755853 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use the rtl unicode char? < 1232755867 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-190.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232755877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I used black magic < 1232755879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbass < 1232755883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232755884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1232755887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-Q < 1232755889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black magic?! < 1232755892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232755892 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASP < 1232755895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, green magic. < 1232755907 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :green magic is the magic of environmentalists < 1232755911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, purple magic. < 1232755923 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use all natural biodegradable materials to cast spells < 1232756605 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232757303 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232758277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232759162 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232759250 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MateyHuber < 1232759677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of my professors is in a russian music video... < 1232760317 0 :MateyHuber!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1232768115 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232772459 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading _Understanding the Linux Kernel_
< 1232776928 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232777553 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@203-214-40-210.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1232778327 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1232782602 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi < 1232783999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232784000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232784835 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-60-80.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232785054 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232788834 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232789423 0 :asiekierka!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1232789426 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom! < 1232789454 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say < 1232789510 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz < 1232789605 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h) the letter h < 1232789702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz h) the letter h < 1232789725 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz h) the letter h j) there is no i < 1232789827 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz h) the letter h j) there is no eye < 1232789848 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232789880 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz h) the letter h j) there is no eye z) Let's skip to ASCII char 42, shall we? :D < 1232789895 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me something about the esoteric comics ? < 1232789925 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1232789927 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i make one < 1232789940 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) #esoteric comics to be made soon; watch what you say g) bring back the bots plz h) the letter h j) there is no eye z) Let's skip to ASCII char 42, shall we? :D {) beep boop < 1232789954 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, ok :) < 1232790187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/asiekierka/453254 < 1232790214 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is terrible < 1232790288 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232790300 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiens, un sélérat ! :o < 1232790310 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scélérat* < 1232790383 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232790542 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: What did you expect? < 1232790544 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "Screeble"? < 1232790548 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're way worse < 1232790575 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: what does that mean < 1232790667 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a french word, Slereah and scélérat sound like the same words < 1232790689 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scélérat = wicked < 1232790783 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232790792 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so should i make more of these < 1232790794 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the method < 1232790795 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wut < 1232790829 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-41-250.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232790842 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah came back < 1232790864 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, maybe you can make the comic from scratch < 1232790874 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's me alright < 1232791088 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ... < 1232791090 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...!!! < 1232791110 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but then it'll be total crap < 1232791117 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my writing will be undecipherale < 1232791124 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecipherable* < 1232791140 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i don't understand that word < 1232791153 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1232791186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/screebles/img/comic/28.JPG < 1232791202 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/screebles/img/comic/32.JPG < 1232791208 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can keep on using stripcreator, and when the comic book is ended, you can modify it with paint or what you want < 1232791225 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it'll be also crapfestic quality < 1232791229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/screebles/img/comic/25.JPG < 1232791240 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/screebles/img/comic/23.JPG < 1232791245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about all i want to show you < 1232791296 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the better ones of my comics < 1232791311 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's wrong with stripcreator? < 1232791396 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stripcreator seems to be good, but i don't like so much the characters' faces < 1232791434 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232791470 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like the selection personally < 1232791560 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Ok, but do you prefer my Screebles, then? < 1232791655 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, the Screebles (28 and 32) have something dirty (except the 25 and 23, there're good :)) < 1232791717 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smudges from the pen mostly < 1232791722 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 was a testcard < 1232791735 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must reproduce it, make it a vector image and use it < 1232791749 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1232791767 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I still have the original < 1232791770 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oh well < 1232791948 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ever wanted to make my own comic or cartoon < 1232791968 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a scanner, get a pen and let your imagination fly! < 1232791973 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chorus* FFLLYYYY!!! < 1232791991 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 8bit NES game, with bigs pixels and chiptune music < 1232792006 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make your own sprites then < 1232792009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make a sprite comic < 1232792012 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232792153 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can make moving the sprite, scroll the background, etc < 1232792164 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use FLASH! < 1232792169 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flash* < 1232792181 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be pretty cool < 1232792235 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i used to make some flash animations < 1232792264 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232792390 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232792394 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the testcard < 1232792400 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time with greater precision < 1232792408 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there will be both b&w and color versions < 1232792533 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, made the lower left corner < 1232792637 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made the upper right corner, too < 1232792810 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower right corner also done < 1232792886 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all corners done < 1232792890 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the <1000hz> too < 1232793133 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232793136 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made the first scan < 1232793141 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty well < 1232793159 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus a few fixable errors < 1232793635 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly done! < 1232793646 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232793669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testcard aA1: 90% < 1232793917 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testcard aA1: 100%, scanning < 1232794040 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done! < 1232794351 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232794455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1232794456 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it < 1232794458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading in a moment < 1232794503 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232794544 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232794573 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/aa1_template_color.PNG < 1232794580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use it except if i allow you < 1232794610 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232794629 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232794924 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232796601 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232796865 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232797867 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1232798184 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-60-80.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232799456 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e711b4922614bc08 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232799958 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232799967 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232799972 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1232801292 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232801427 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232801902 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1232802702 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232802735 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232802957 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1232804194 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-100.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232806444 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232807240 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232807557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus, fucking asiekierka fucked with the topic again < 1232807568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he figured out that it's irritating yet < 1232807601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232807693 0 :Hiato!n=hiato@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232807722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't use it except if i allow you < 1232807732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this count as a formal licensing, or can I use it blatantly? < 1232807739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter. < 1232807835 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232808333 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232809141 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232809518 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232809768 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232811135 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you have enough coins to buy 50 VP... < 1232811162 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel < 1232811228 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232811915 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232811920 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232813240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1232813264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ko < 1232815387 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know how im going to add types to my language :o < 1232815399 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird! you once said you wished haskell had first class types, or something. what did you mean? < 1232815406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types < 1232815415 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232815421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type language = code language, turing complete compilation (has its downsides ... like non-terminating compilations ... ) < 1232815427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can strongly type printf < 1232815460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give me a more detailed example? im not sure what a dependent type would be < 1232815483 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doesnt C++ or something have require TC compilation due to its type system? x.x < 1232815484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types is just the theoretical term < 1232815488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: here's a concrete example < 1232815490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or TC parsing or whatever < 1232815500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1232815513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~augustss/cayenne/examples.html Scroll to the vey bottom < 1232815515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heading "Printf" < 1232815521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a strongly typed printf < 1232815531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably get the gist of how it fits in with what i've said < 1232815640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232815661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's calling a function in the type system there < 1232815670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which varies printf's type depending on what string you feed it < 1232815684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, it breaks down if you e.g. feed it user input, you have to offer proofs that its' gonna be a certain type then) < 1232815693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232815880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make sense to you? :P < 1232817385 0 :asiekierka!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1232817387 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232817395 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) fake < 1232817403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop. < 1232817405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messing. < 1232817405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With. < 1232817406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The < 1232817408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic < 1232817410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In < 1232817412 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's OFFENSIVE to me < 1232817412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfunny < 1232817414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ways < 1232817416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn < 1232817422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, offensive words < 1232817423 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OFFENSIVE to me < 1232817430 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFFENSIVEOFFENSIVEOFFENSIVEOFFENSIVE < 1232817449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no offensivity < 1232817469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god is there something offensive on irc < 1232817478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) stfu ehird < 1232817478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1232817479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful < 1232817488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka telling me to stfu? < 1232817490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L < 1232817501 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L < 1232817505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay sex... oh dear god i can't take it anymore < 1232817507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1232817511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232817539 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) stands for "freak" < 1232817548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817551 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) stands for "freak" g) THE GAME < 1232817552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this all day. < 1232817553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817562 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. g) THE GAME < 1232817567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817575 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) asiekierka is an idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve being in the freaking topic g) THE GAME i) there is no h < 1232817582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817594 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) asiekierka is an idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve being in the freaking topic g) THE GAME i) there is no h < 1232817605 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more and i change that to ehird < 1232817607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: You know, most who hate themselves that much just cut themselves. < 1232817619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a lot less annoying for me, to boot. < 1232817621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817633 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232817642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) ehird is a super-lame super-bad idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve being in the freaking topic g) THE GAME i) there is no h < 1232817659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make bsmnt_bot set the topic for me. < 1232817660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817663 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) ehird is a super-lame super-bad idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve editing this freaking topic g) THE GAME i) there is no h < 1232817670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817687 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) ehird is a super-lame super-bad idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve editing this freaking topic g) nor does bsmnt_bot h) THE GAME j) there is no i < 1232817698 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232817698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817709 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) no messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) ehird is a super-lame super-bad idiot that sucks so much he doesn't even deserve editing this freaking topic g) nor does bsmnt_bot h) THE GAME j) there is no i < 1232817716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when asiekierka did anything interesting esolang-related? No, me neither. < 1232817717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did < 1232817728 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : < 1232817729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh. < 1232817732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ehird sux < 1232817742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817757 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :all your topic are belong to asiekierka < 1232817760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817778 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) g. occasionally. < 1232817789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817795 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) x. occasionally. < 1232817801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gxscc for the wi9n < 1232817820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :3.14 < 1232817847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, remember when asiekierka spammed? < 1232817856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, me too. < 1232817870 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :What about we leave the topic alone now and be friends? ...please? < 1232817882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, me too. < 1232817884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1232817886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong up-scroll. < 1232817888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232817893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can leave the topic alone now. < 1232817893 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I said something! < 1232817905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're breaking your own truce. < 1232817908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817923 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :What about we leave the topic alone AT THIS POINT WITHOUT EVER EDITING IT and be friends? ...please? < 1232817937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232817938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1232817940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1232817980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818197 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :What about we leave the topic alone AT THIS POINT WITHOUT EVER EDITING IT and be friends? ...please? Please? Anyone who edits this topic is an idiot. < 1232818203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818452 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :please stop. now. < 1232818462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about you? You changed it initially. < 1232818483 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) *** ***. occasionally. < 1232818488 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1232818490 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop here < 1232818492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about you? You changed it initially. < 1232818493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818498 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it offended me < 1232818506 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) ehi rd!. occasionally. < 1232818506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This offends me. < 1232818509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818519 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :CoinTalesQ < 1232818528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818543 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :STOP PLAYING WITH THE TOPIC !! è_é < 1232818547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818551 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :,[.,] input:"ehird sucks" < 1232818555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: asiekierka is messing with it, i am setting it back. < 1232818556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll get tired eventually. < 1232818567 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ehird's setting back OFFENDS ME < 1232818569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the f) offends me < 1232818577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) you want my father to see that? < 1232818584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tch. If only you weren't so annoying all the time I might have some sympathy. < 1232818600 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just like stonecypher < 1232818603 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idiot < 1232818610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic. < 1232818611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you had a life < 1232818613 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would understand < 1232818615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232818616 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232818623 0 :asiekierka!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1232818631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. Oh wait, you're bacj < 1232818634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back < 1232818642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bweep < 1232818644 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error < 1232818645 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :offen < 1232818647 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding < 1232818648 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data < 1232818649 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found < 1232818651 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232818656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. < 1232818671 0 :asiekierka!i=africalo@078088180066.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1232818674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1232818679 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes < 1232818688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your "leaving FOREVER"s are remarkably short. < 1232818704 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i leave forever < 1232818709 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cite where am i leaving forever < 1232818723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefulness. < 1232819042 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232819720 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-43.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232821483 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232821491 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232822063 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; < 1232822064 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232822231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally. < 1232822405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1232822407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I used to be a KDE user. I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster I switched to GNOME" < 1232822409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-linus < 1232822414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world < 1232822416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashing < 1232822419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around < 1232822420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1232822824 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-2-222.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232823519 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232823535 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232823856 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232823864 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232823911 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232824921 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232825237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i remember more of asiekierka's esolang related stuff than yours, but, umm, maybe it's just my memory :P < 1232825254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said interesting < 1232825318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you did? < 1232825321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1232825333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1232825374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then scratch my comment < 1232825551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: do you like pudding? < 1232825803 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232825810 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232826056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's ironic got to do with Alanis Morisette?!: < 1232826059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-reddit < 1232826070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:$/"/ < 1232826203 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of like rain on your wedding day. < 1232826256 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232826692 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232826849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~> < 1232826850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1232827065 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232827065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232827198 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232827205 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232827613 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232827727 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232827812 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-108.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232830484 0 :ktne!n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne JOIN :#esoteric < 1232830489 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1232830496 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i ask some language design questions here? < 1232830513 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm designing my own language and i have some issues to solve < 1232832662 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Well, if the language is esoteric... :-> < 1232832669 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232832679 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my main issue is performance < 1232832689 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like a prototype based language < 1232832696 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with C-like performance < 1232832703 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was wondering how that could be done < 1232832744 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Well, usually esoteric languages don't care about performance... < 1232832746 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if a Seal method on objects, this would block all further structure changes, if that would be fine < 1232832766 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the structure could be guaranteed and optimizations done < 1232832768 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232832875 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my language is not that esoteric < 1232832885 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than i plan each statement to be in a custom micro-language < 1232832902 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one would be a raw lisp form-like < 1232832909 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other formats could be made available < 1232833004 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ statement;statement;statement} < 1232833024 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each statement could be in a different micro language, such as SQL-like, LISP-like, etc < 1232833056 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be a number of such microlanguages, optimized for common usages < 1232833070 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like reges text processing and such < 1232833074 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*regex < 1232833279 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1232833317 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Regexes with nondeterminate backreference operator (match anything that subexpression could match)? That can be defined to work in case where those backrefs refer to subexpression those are in... :-> < 1232833405 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: With that sort of extension, stuff like E-mail address syntax becomes expressable. < 1232833525 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Example: '(|\(<1>\)|<1><1>)'. There is no equivalent regular expression with only standard operators (Kleene closure, alternatives and concatenation)... < 1232833558 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking about customizable regex character classes < 1232833584 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you could have class 'c' that would match against any object that implements let's say interface Car < 1232833596 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could match all Car objects in a collection < 1232833667 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore text matching would be just a subset of all possible uses, the cases where an object matches if it's a Char with a specific value < 1232833685 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i put it in a clear way :) < 1232833689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1232833691 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Matching on sequence of values? < 1232833698 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232833712 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matching against any stream of objects < 1232833722 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and text would be a subcase < 1232833745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: so what brings ya here < 1232833747 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example matching against an XML parse tree < 1232833762 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1232833779 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Don't you need something more powerful than regexps there? < 1232833808 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: well, it depends on how you define your custom classes < 1232833842 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the tree would have to be flattened in a stream first obviously, maybe using a custom tree walking algorithm < 1232833843 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: Well, with that sort of backreference operator as I shown, it should be powerful enough... < 1232833882 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could implement any sort of operator i guess < 1232833902 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the whole regex engine could be programmed < 1232833924 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The challenge is to choose operators that are powerful but don't seriously blow up the execution time in common cases... < 1232833927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1232833929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brought you here < 1232833931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232833933 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but my questions are related mainly to performance :) < 1232833947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. Well that's sort of esoteric < 1232833952 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to achieve C-like performance in a language without classes < 1232833965 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prototype OOP < 1232833973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's pet in-head project for a while has been to make a scheme implementation that's competitive with C
< 1232833984 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232833988 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that possible? < 1232833990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could probably build a prototype OO system on top of without too much overhead < 1232833992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: "maybe" < 1232833997 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i'm willing to accept language limitation < 1232833999 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limitations < 1232834008 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if scheme has the right semantics to allow that < 1232834018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBCL--a common lisp compiler--is competitive with C, iirc, but of course CL is far less lenient than Scheme < 1232834024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't redefine + in CL... :-) < 1232834035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it boils down to having really efficient function calls < 1232834036 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no overhead means for me c++-like performance < 1232834054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so interested in performance, anyhoo? < 1232834056 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but how do you dispatch them if the object structure is dynamic < 1232834062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna write an OS? :p < 1232834078 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm more interested in an alternative to matlab and mathematica < 1232834081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, well, with Scheme you have to dynamically look up everything < 1232834086 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are so incredibly slow... :( < 1232834092 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: And if you do SQL, allow possibility for parametrized queries (and make them relatively _easy_), since nonparametrized ones can easily turn into security nightmares... < 1232834094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so having an object would be no overhead < 1232834099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, don't do SQL :( < 1232834114 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i said that each statement could be in a microlanguage < 1232834118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232834132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that would be very helpful < 1232834137 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: with several microlanguages for common usages, like text procesing, collection operations (like sql), etc < 1232834147 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a raw lisp-form one < 1232834149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to embed an entirely different language without any markets into this program" is no common thought of mine < 1232834158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/markets/markers/ < 1232834172 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking about some guesswork in the parser < 1232834180 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some marker to make things sure when ambigous < 1232834206 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about using \sql or \regex as markers < 1232834219 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of macro call :) < 1232834248 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this would be just syntax sugar < 1232834261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather embed other languages into the one I'm working in instead of just having them there literally. < 1232834266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This falls down for regexs, tho. < 1232834267 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm designing the semantics right now, the object layout and the function call standard < 1232834286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did you find this place then? :) < 1232834292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw our wiki is at http://esolangs.org/ < 1232834298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I can add that to our sprawling topic < 1232834305 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was here a few times before :) < 1232834314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/ < 1232834315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1232834317 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was designing some concatenative language back then < 1232834324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1232834336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps 2002-present logs for you
< 1232834341 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i'm thinking about something more classical, something with semantics close to .NET (C-like objects, etc) < 1232834352 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because such bad performance in matlab and mathematica < 1232834367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to write a Mathematica replacement myself once. < 1232834369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still at the back of mind. < 1232834377 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1232834394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THis was mostly driven by ais523 of this place's horror stories about it. < 1232834404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% grep 'ktne' * < 1232834404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1232834417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be recent, then < 1232834420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I manually downloaded those logs) < 1232834425 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232834428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends at 2008-10-31 < 1232834428 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what horror stories? < 1232834440 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been here since 2008-10-31 < 1232834452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you haven't been here before that either, at least at ktne < 1232834453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1232834456 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'm not in the logs, aha, i'm a vampire, no mirrors :) < 1232834487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: the horror stories were mostly from when he was writing his proof of: http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/solved.html; he wrote the programs for it in Perl but wolfram required him to rewrite them in mathematica for their egos < 1232834493 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking mainly for a replacement for matlab but with more symbolic stuff, a la mathematica < 1232834497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like its awful performance, the crazy-ass HoldFirst thing < 1232834503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the basic idea that it's just a pattern-matcher at heart < 1232834512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he got it to crash a lot < 1232834522 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1232834544 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main issues are peformance related < 1232834549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to actually try it, but they wanted to look over my trial request manually, and they didn't send me a link. ho hum < 1232834569 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, they are not fast when interpreting algorithms, they are fast only when doing core processing, stdlib stuff < 1232834570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: doesn't mathematica just hardcode a bunch of algos in C so that it's fast iff you're doing what wolfram does? < 1232834574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232834579 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then second issue < 1232834586 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that they cannot handle large datasets < 1232834597 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they want to load everything in memory < 1232834611 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need something that can work off-disk < 1232834617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1232834618 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mmap the data files < 1232834622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be C-speed though? < 1232834625 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what the smallest Brainfuck hello world is? < 1232834626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is pretty, well, fast. < 1232834632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yes, iirc egobot generated it < 1232834634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but egobot is dead < 1232834637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be on the wiki < 1232834666 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one on the wiki is 143 < 1232834684 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i wanted to do some rather intensive pattern matching in mathematica and it was just too slow and memory-hungry compare to the C version < 1232834693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I could try and grep the logs for egobot's I think it was 113 or sth < 1232834695 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compared < 1232834707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but surely it doesn't need to be _as_ fast as C? < 1232834720 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's one of my goals, from the start < 1232834730 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R for example is extremely slow too < 1232834738 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehird: thanks, that would be a big help. Google didn't show up much < 1232834754 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 113 the best? Was that generated by a GA or something? < 1232834764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the actual number, but ye < 1232834764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1232834772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Java program, I think < 1232834779 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab can be fast but it requires you to vectorize your algorithms, which can be complicated sometime < 1232834779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egobot let you generate BF text as a command) < 1232834804 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither mathematica or matlab have actually been designed for fast random access into arrays < 1232834819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: < 1232834819 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try to do a FOR loop in matlab :) < 1232834820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:20:20 !bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1232834821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:21:04 118 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++>+++++++++>+++<<<<-]>++++++.>>++.+++++++..+++.<.>>-.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+. [839] < 1232834826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :118 < 1232834828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rice is me by the way < 1232834830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from jan 2008 < 1232834833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably the most refined so far < 1232834852 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1232834875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np :) < 1232834898 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is annoying thing in matlab that doing per-element lookup on vector can transpose the result... < 1232834928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything will be perfect when we have processors that run Haskell natively. < 1232834937 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically i want something really fast, but with an interactive repl and interactive graphics < 1232834955 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to stay away from class based oop for personal taste < 1232834961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: do you want a pony too? :p < 1232834967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just stay away from oop, anyhoo < 1232834970 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-[ < 1232834971 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232834987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is probably biase
< 1232834987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1232834990 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well i really want oop :) < 1232834997 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something that mirrors the file system < 1232835000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um sure :p < 1232835002 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could store values in the FS < 1232835004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1232835024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want PHP, they chose \ as their namespace separator because they can't write a parser and because it was the windows dir separator (seriously) < 1232835026 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :persistence is another goal of mine < 1232835026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1232835046 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232835051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serializable continuations are awesome but you also have to serialize sockets and crap to do that properly < 1232835052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard < 1232835067 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not that interested into serializing externalities < 1232835078 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the internal state < 1232835090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: there's an efficient way to do garbage collection that leaves you with efficient function calls and also efficient continuations < 1232835091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/CheneyMTA.html < 1232835106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth checking out < 1232835113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Appel's method avoids making a large number of small trampoline bounces by occasionally jumping off the Empire State Building. " < 1232835163 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking.. < 1232835227 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny :) < 1232835255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: i assume, by the way, that you're compiling < 1232835262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because interpreting at C speed is, um... impossible. < 1232835269 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about using llvm < 1232835292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm unfortunately is very imperative < 1232835318 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see any other option < 1232835327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile to machine code? < 1232835329 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like wanting to implement a JIT :) < 1232835348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really need C speed... ) < 1232835349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232835356 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm generates C speed < 1232835369 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly afraid of optimizations < 1232835380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates C speed if your language is mostly imperative, I would say < 1232835388 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing proper optimizations is very time consuming which is why i don't want to compile to machine code myself < 1232835402 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess my language is meant to be mostly imperative < 1232835405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well heck, if you want C speed you'd better be ready to spend a lotta time on it ;) < 1232835411 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe single assignment < 1232835436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell is nearing C-speed < 1232835441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty mathematical :P < 1232835451 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like pure functional stuff < 1232835466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? :) < 1232835467 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because of resource impredictability issues < 1232835468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's compiler is also black magic < 1232835486 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resource usage has be be fairly easy to estimate < 1232835488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think ghc is _that_ obscure... < 1232835499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: i think some of the peeps in #haskell have done work on that < 1232835499 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Deewiant < 1232835512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might wanna ask them < 1232835517 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also pure functional is not that suitable for matlab-like stuff < 1232835528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232835535 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not willing to spend years on the compilation stuff :) < 1232835548 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to have this done in months :) llvm with a frontend on top :) < 1232835554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ktne < 1232835571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have" to? < 1232835577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to have c speed really quickly, use c? :P < 1232835580 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have to use it for some real stuff < 1232835586 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C is not interactive, nor ddynamic < 1232835594 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want interactive graphs and stuff < 1232835596 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1232835607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with C speed for that ;-) < 1232835631 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232835654 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking about using some google jvm-like techniques < 1232835670 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jscript vm i mean < 1232835682 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jscript is limited from the start due to semantic issues < 1232835683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think your three goals - interactive, c-speed, and not long to develop - are contradictory. < 1232835716 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such language so far < 1232835730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232835756 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't feel that hard to do, i just think nobody tried < 1232835764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two are contradictory I'd say — it's like having a language which compiles to optimized C but with zero compilation time :-) < 1232835775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first two contradict the last < 1232835782 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example most scripting languages don't have C-like types which makes them slow from the start < 1232835803 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'm not that interested in zero compilation time, more in fast execution < 1232835816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and interactiveness. < 1232835819 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232835820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: just talking about the semantics of 'C speed' and 'interactive' put together < 1232835834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> 2+2 < 1232835835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) < 1232835836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) < 1232835838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) < 1232835840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) < 1232835842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1232835844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1232835847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you want interactive + C speed you need zero time spent to generate the C-speed code :-) < 1232835860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can generate code which is faster than C, which is unlikely < 1232835867 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well C spends a lot of time in compilation stage too :) < 1232835873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, exactly < 1232835874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C is not interactive < 1232835876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that < 1232835877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why, good luck :-P < 1232835878 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilation time is not an issue for me < 1232835886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it IS < 1232835888 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only execution speed is an issue < 1232835889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to be interactive, it is < 1232835889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want interactivity < 1232835898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive time = compilation time + runtime < 1232835918 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how compiling one line of code at a time can be that slow < 1232835929 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's what i mean by interactivity, a repl < 1232835942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that slow, but it won't be C speed < 1232835945 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all compilation that needs to be fast < 1232835951 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling a file can be slower < 1232835953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be /almost/ C speed < 1232835956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know, try sbcl < 1232835958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different < 1232835961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's REPL is basically C speed < 1232835962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just arguing semantics :-P < 1232835965 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume that each line takes a long time toe xecute < 1232835969 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1232835990 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why repl compilation time is not an issue, as long as there is no visible lag per command, i'm ok with it < 1232835996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no visible lag per command" < 1232836003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, um < 1232836004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1232836038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'no visible lag' + 'C speed' don't mix unless you add a qualifier like 'close to' to the latter :-) < 1232836038 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's not digress < 1232836072 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean no visible lang from when you type ENTER and up to when it starts executing the command < 1232836087 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if compiling just one line of code takes 0.25sec, that's still acceptable < 1232836093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.25sec is, um, visible lag. < 1232836095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.25 is visible :-) < 1232836100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.25sec is HUGELY visible < 1232836105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 is approximately when it starts to get visible < 1232836115 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 0.1 then < 1232836118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the user's speed obviously < 1232836121 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume llvm compiles quite fast < 1232836139 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling one function is not that much < 1232836142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice 0.05 :\ < 1232836151 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main issue is execution time < 1232836158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're doing, too, of course < 1232836167 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of semantic restrictions do i have to add in order to get good performance from a dynamic language < 1232836171 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my question < 1232836179 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything but classes, i can't stand classes < 1232836187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losing dynamic types helps ;-) < 1232836210 0 :nice!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232836210 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's what you meant by 'dynamic' < 1232836210 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have interactivity without dynamic types? < 1232836216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a tradeoff, purity vs efficiency. < 1232836218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see haskell, for instance < 1232836222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah haskell < 1232836230 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not interested in language purity at all < 1232836230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell even behaves dynamic < 1232836232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's inferred < 1232836234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: why would interactivity require dynamic types? < 1232836235 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care if it looks like perl :) < 1232836241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: you misunderstand purity. < 1232836251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying, oh I need mallable prototype objects < 1232836253 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: because i want to be able to add methods at runtime < 1232836259 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1232836259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's taking purity over efficiency < 1232836269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sort of require dynamic types, yes :-) < 1232836276 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about adding something liek a Seal method to objects < 1232836291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do object.Seal.Club < 1232836293 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would prevent any further modification of object structure < 1232836306 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useful would that be? < 1232836315 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not sealed then it would execute slower < 1232836334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo now you can't add methods at runtime < 1232836336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the point < 1232836340 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can < 1232836345 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first attempt to write a brainfuck hello world by hand - 122 instructions :-( < 1232836346 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it would be "un-sealed" < 1232836353 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and execution would be slower < 1232836356 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what i mean? < 1232836374 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm willing to accept this as a sacrifice :) < 1232836378 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at recent javascript engines < 1232836403 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: the problem with jscript is that you have to check to see if the object structure has been modified after each function call < 1232836409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: dropping objects helps a lot. < 1232836419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still add methods at runtime < 1232836421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by just defining a function < 1232836431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no overhead to the actual "object" < 1232836433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(data) < 1232836483 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would still have the same issue < 1232836493 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the object structure could change < 1232836507 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(data structure) < 1232836517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of changing it < 1232836520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just redefine it < 1232836529 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen to old objects? < 1232836539 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i could redefine then copy the old object in the new one? < 1232836547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: yeah, something like that < 1232836550 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also be more semantically pure < 1232836558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232836562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: immutable objects also helps < 1232836570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's going into functional purity land < 1232836590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1232836591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> let a $$ b = a+(b/2.0) < 1232836592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> 1 $$ 3 < 1232836594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 < 1232836603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam, I just defined a method on (Fractional a) => a -> a -> a :-P < 1232836608 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well immutable objects would be ok too < 1232836622 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need to be able to apply immutability to any object at any point < 1232836634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant make all "objects" immutable < 1232836637 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232836640 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i can't do that < 1232836646 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make many algorithms too slow < 1232836649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1232836651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232836660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can optimize it very well < 1232836679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make copied objects reference their copier, use mutation if there's only one reference around < 1232836680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1232836686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: GHC haskell compiler < 1232836694 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't afford optimisations other than llvm < 1232836720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can afford GHC :-) < 1232836723 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really reimplement GHC :) < 1232836729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use ghc? ;) < 1232836735 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be embedded? < 1232836740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which way < 1232836743 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to compile snippets of code to machine code < 1232836748 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :within the same process < 1232836749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC has a repl < 1232836752 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232836759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I just showed you < 1232836760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> let a $$ b = a+(b/2.0) < 1232836761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> 1 $$ 3 < 1232836763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 < 1232836765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in a REPL < 1232836767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all instant < 1232836769 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, i'm not sure how could you translate an imperative program to ghc < 1232836770 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232836776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to haskell, you mean < 1232836779 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232836781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is a restructuring, of course < 1232836796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the result is a better program, but there you go < 1232836807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put it all in main < 1232836816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's plenty of real-world haskell libraries, btw: < 1232836817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/pkg-list.html < 1232836819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 of them < 1232836825 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my issue is the language :) < 1232836834 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like ghc :) or haskell :) < 1232836842 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i don't like functional stuff < 1232836846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1232836859 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need to run common algorithms < 1232836860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is the best imperative language < 1232836872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: common algorithms fit functionality well < 1232836884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just feel that most of the optimizations you do just bring you closer to haskell < 1232836886 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: common as in: expressed in standard C form < 1232836903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can read C and you can read Haskell ... you can translate between the two < 1232836911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also libraries for stuff like that < 1232836930 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really want to do that :) < 1232836941 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want ghc as a dependency :) < 1232836949 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't touch it with a pole :) < 1232836973 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a classical environment that can be used by people familiar with matlab < 1232836980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to go slower < 1232836981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all tradeoffs < 1232836984 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a faster matlab replacement < 1232836995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have your cake and eat it, but it might not have cherries on top :-) < 1232837036 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why i don't want to rely on ghc is because of the black magic that happens behind < 1232837045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what black magic < 1232837061 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with llvm i have a good idea of all optimizations that happen and how the program is transformed by those optimizations < 1232837075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc has documentation < 1232837083 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how could i debug that code? < 1232837101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by... debugging it? < 1232837103 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't debug it if it's converted to haskell < 1232837118 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean debugging the interactive repl code < 1232837120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying convert the program to haskell . . . < 1232837137 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you otherwise use ghc as a compiled? < 1232837144 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compiler? < 1232837152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by feeding it haskell? < 1232837156 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kids < 1232837168 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have to convert my program to haskell, right? < 1232837170 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how's bsmntbombgirl ? < 1232837171 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombgirl < 1232837173 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bot < 1232837181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: a bit broken atm, I can fix it. < 1232837188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: I think I'll sue you for the misleading name < 1232837195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: or you could write your program in haskell, y'know < 1232837205 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my program < 1232837209 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that shit needs to be put in source control < 1232837212 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program you run in the repl < 1232837230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: what i'm saying is: Haskell already does all your requirements :-) < 1232837239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: it needs a rewrite tbh < 1232837239 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not orthodox enough < 1232837245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: why is this a problem? < 1232837247 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232837253 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to run standard code < 1232837255 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative stuff < 1232837259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232837271 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i find it nearly impossible to code functional :) < 1232837274 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking i should write an irc server < 1232837284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: i thought that, it's a bit of a pain tbh < 1232837296 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1232837330 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232837334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the RFC is stupid, and networking code handling a huge amount of people is stupid < 1232837383 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wrote a rather nice (imo) abstraction over the network part < 1232837395 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using libevent < 1232837418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: bsmnt_bot's charm is that it sucks < 1232837426 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1232837456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything and you can mess it up with the python command, but it's fun to have it around anyway :P < 1232837494 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232837566 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232837614 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232837732 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-190.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232838080 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ghc appears to have quite poor performance compared to C < 1232838090 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232838095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect, but it can be made faster with some optimization hints < 1232838110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the speed is still very reasonable by default, for most tasks < 1232838142 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really what i want < 1232838148 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stand haskell :-/ < 1232838152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if GHC is poor compared to C then good luck getting the kind of speed you want :-P < 1232838168 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: llvm is pretty fast < 1232838178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: depends on the kind of code you give it < 1232838180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is great, I think what you're saying is ... I haven't really used haskell much, but it sounds scary :-) < 1232838186 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: classical imperative code < 1232838201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, that's what the LLVM IR is < 1232838207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more important is what the code does :-P < 1232838227 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly array and graph manipulations < 1232838249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not sound very imperative to me < 1232838273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative code is just manually optimized functional code. kind of like writing asm instead of C. you rarely do better. meh. < 1232838283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you often do better :P < 1232838294 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think in a pure functional fashion < 1232838302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can < 1232838302 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't want a pure functional language < 1232838304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just haven't tried < 1232838314 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lol wut < 1232838315 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1232838329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convincing arguments < 1232838338 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's suppose you want to implement a longest common subsequence algorithm in haskell, how that would look like? < 1232838364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: pretty simple < 1232838369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Longest_Common_Subsequence#Haskell < 1232838399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial translation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_common_subsequence#LCS_function_defined < 1232838485 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many years of haskell experience do i need to implement the memoization example? < 1232838486 0 :nice!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232838492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1232838495 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hellaciously inneficient < 1232838502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: shh ;-) < 1232838506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: sure, it's a naive implementation < 1232838512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are generally slow < 1232838519 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm looking at the memoization example < 1232838523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: that haskell code is easy to understand once you have a grasp of Haskell < 1232838524 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the simple recursive one < 1232838531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like I said.. 0 < 1232838543 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 if using integer divide :) < 1232838556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what I mean is < 1 < 1232838560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't specify the type of your answer so it defaulted to integer :-P < 1232838569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/your answer/the answer you wanted/ < 1232838624 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code is horrible :/ < 1232838626 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is real < 1232838639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktne: ITYM "I don't understand that code" < 1232838641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: i see < 1232838692 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nonmemoize haskell code is beautiful < 1232838700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the memoized :P < 1232838708 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading the definition of LCS and its painful to read < 1232838712 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell code makes it all clear < 1232838717 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU HASKELL < 1232838726 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i test that code? < 1232838733 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without installing ghc < 1232838744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1232838752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you run code without installing an implementation < 1232838755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't. < 1232838760 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible in ghc to redefine object? < 1232838766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more specific < 1232838769 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, redefine functions < 1232838773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in the REPL. < 1232838833 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's suppose i want to count how many times a substring appears in a larger string < 1232838837 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look in haskell? < 1232838851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you getting me to write your program for you? :D < 1232838855 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232838860 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't write them myself :) < 1232838872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can < 1232838887 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to see how it looks like < 1232838930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/Data-List.html < 1232838934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a function in there to do it :P < 1232838936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION peeks
< 1232838940 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i need < 1232838946 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to implement all those algorithms myself < 1232838950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232838960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library writers are much better at it than you < 1232838962 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a tool for computing stuff < 1232838969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have to write your own < 1232838979 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because isn't that the purpose of the tool?\ < 1232838983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1232838987 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allow people to implement algorithms < 1232839006 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a matlab replacement < 1232839011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally people don't write all the algorithms they use in their program < 1232839019 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't depend on libraries for that < 1232839033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1232839039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that library is in core GHC < 1232839043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have GHC, you have that library < 1232839050 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need to implement that many more algorithms < 1232839055 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are mostly non-standard < 1232839058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232839096 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, any idea how to speed a jscript-like language? :-D < 1232839110 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1232839113 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, add proper C integer types and proper C arrays < 1232839115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, apply all the transformations to it to make it more static < 1232839138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static dance uuuuh yeah < 1232839143 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New brainfuck Hello World = 115. That's 3 instructions shorter < 1232839160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's egobot when you need one < 1232839169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does he produce? < 1232839172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i already gave him that < 1232839180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :118 < 1232839185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but impomatic's beaten that < 1232839187 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to figure out some bf-textgen again < 1232839207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah cool; seems i didn't read the logs then. < 1232839261 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to reach 88 so my interpretter and Hello World fit in 100 instructions, but I don't think there's any chance < 1232839268 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking the graph with A* would work < 1232839270 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>++++>+++>++++++++<<<<<-]>-----.>++.+++++++..+++.>.>-.>-.<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1232839276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you have a 22 char bf interp? < 1232839284 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably ridiculously slow < 1232839284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on wp is 88 < 1232839288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably know that too < 1232839297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232839298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably don't < 1232839300 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 12 instruction interpretter :-) < 1232839305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1232839307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste it < 1232839316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yeah < 1232839317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1232839319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wp < 1232839346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: show this interp! :) < 1232839374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 instructions beats cise by quite a lot < 1232839375 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not slow. When it starts execution, it converts all [ and ] to relative jumps < 1232839397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: can you show it? < 1232839400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoooooooooooooooooow itttttttttttttt < 1232839404 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpretter is more of a compiler, and it's in redcode < 1232839407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1232839409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOWWWW ITTTTTTT < 1232839473 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, wait! < 1232839535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn 12 instructions < 1232839537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is impressive < 1232839585 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so impressive: http://pastebin.ca/1317388 < 1232839621 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the redcode is compiled, it uses macros to compile brainfuck to redcode < 1232839647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty awesome < 1232839649 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 12 instructions to fix the [ and ] jump addresses < 1232839656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the macros < 1232839664 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a brainfuck optimizer < 1232839668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the first lines < 1232839669 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros at the top < 1232839675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232839680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equ's < 1232839692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that's awesome < 1232839702 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1232839704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: how much would it take to add a parser? < 1232839762 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much, but first I need to recompile the redcode interpretter. Haven't got a C compiler on this Windoze machine < 1232839803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta write my own RISC, beating 12 instructions will be hard < 1232839816 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add a parser to read in Brainfuck from a file. < 1232839816 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly add a table based optimizer < 1232839832 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often 2 brainfuck instructions could be reduced to 1 redcode instruction < 1232839833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1232839835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Yael 15 instructions < 1232839843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only 256 bytes of addressable memory... < 1232839853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so code+data has to be <256 bytes :( < 1232839883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it also has 8 registers < 1232839893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 264 < 1232839900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't put code in registers, ofc < 1232839908 0 :yuri815!n=Miranda@p54934BB2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232840008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you should add a context switch operator, so you could have a tape of 256 cell memories < 1232840013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean two of those < 1232840016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1232840019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically vinalized < 1232840023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1232840026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the process < 1232840026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's prety nice < 1232840035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that cat program is pretty small < 1232840041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finalized < 1232840041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a local maximum, definitely. < 1232840046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1232840049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232840054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya talking about :P < 1232840065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small fixes won't make it purer. < 1232840071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*small changes < 1232840085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by pure i mean... i don't know. pretty < 1232840128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, code isn't always a round number of bytes < 1232840134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. cat is 8 bytes + 1 bit < 1232840140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just need to pad it out with 0s < 1232840144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1232840146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 byte cat program < 1232840149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad, ey? < 1232840158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 instructions, 9 bytes < 1232840180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 00110100 00001000 01111110 01010110 10011000 11000000 00001111 10000000 < 1232840228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not bad < 1232840233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes yael interp 'cuz why not
< 1232840283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya w nut. < 1232840287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1232840403 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hello World from Wikipedia outputs a different string. No comma, but a newline < 1232840418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1232840421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what :-) < 1232840738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: problem with implementing yael: you have to split bytse apart :( < 1232840744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because shit can go across byte lines and stuff < 1232840767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah. are you surprised? :P < 1232840770 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232840780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :D < 1232840805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is hello world in cise < 1232840807 0 :yuri815!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232840808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232840824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually hard though, it's just slower < 1232840827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1232840842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1232840871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1232840879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to output stuff :P < 1232840891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually don't care much for that practical nonsense < 1232840900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1232840903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... < 1232840905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's H < 1232840908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232840910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H"Hello, world! < 1232840911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232840921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... i think printing hello world is H... :P < 1232840926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1232840931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what about printing hello world sans cheatin < 1232840932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1232840940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc i decided Q and H should be in the instr set for luls < 1232840968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be "Hello world", plus 1 or 2 characters of function before it if i add a print command < 1232840993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, how verbose < 1232840994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfscript is < 1232840997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, world!" < 1232841020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the stack after running the program? < 1232841026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, pops and prints < 1232841031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts input first on stack before running < 1232841043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right. < 1232841145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise could well work like that too, have input as the program's param, apply the program to it, print result < 1232841169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, well, i'm more interested in the more interesting aspects. < 1232841205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232841219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can make an assembly language really concise is good comparison jumps, I think < 1232841223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C's switch(){} < 1232841306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about designing such a basic instruction set you're writing in computation itself? < 1232841338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut? < 1232841340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232841355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, on second thought, that made absolutely no sense. < 1232841365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it's worth considering. < 1232841380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically a OISC < 1232841387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what operation embodies the fundamental operation of computing?" < 1232841544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not nearly as fundamental as i had in mind < 1232841569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking so low-level you may not even be able to implement it in this universe. < 1232841578 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232841578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's simply too much computation going on no matter what you do < 1232841595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232841608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't reach the level i'm talking about. the absolute bottom of informational computationality. < 1232841622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1232841629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fundamental imperative computational is something like: < 1232841639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words i think i should sleep < 1232841648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perform an operation on two values and put the result somewhere, then go somewhere else depending on the result. < 1232841667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say < 1232841672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjz A B C < 1232841676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and B are memory addresses < 1232841683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go" "put" "perform" < 1232841686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtracts the value in A and the value in B < 1232841694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts the result in B < 1232841698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, if the result is zero < 1232841700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it jumps to C < 1232841704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, execution continues as normal < 1232841720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good? < 1232841739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality comparison: < 1232841741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so compicated i can't understand it, let alone read or see it. < 1232841745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjz A B notequal < 1232841746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complicated < 1232841748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[its equal] < 1232841750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notequal: < 1232841752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[its not equal] < 1232841756 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notwithstanding, there is no Turing-complete language simpler than BCT. < 1232841762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1232841767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i"m talking about instruction sets < 1232841769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative unz < 1232841769 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is "equals" too complicated for you? < 1232841772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: you're wrong < 1232841775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocrap < 1232841777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented subleq < 1232841778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution of one instruction A B C subtracts the value of memory in A from the content of memory in B. If value after subtraction in B less or equal to zero, then execution jumps to the address C; otherwise to the next instruction. < 1232841785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, less or equal to zero < 1232841787 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, simplicity is objective and I'm always right. < 1232841790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mine's kind of less complex < 1232841805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: testing equality is pretty hard, yes < 1232841817 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said testing equality. < 1232841823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm. < 1232841828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about continuous computation < 1232841831 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proce. < 1232841835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then: < 1232841835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an infinite amount of it to get anything done < 1232841837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ej A B C < 1232841847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proce. < 1232841848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs are functions from reals to instruction fragments < 1232841851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proce? < 1232841853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reads A and B, if the values are equal, it stores 1 in B, otherwise it stores 0 in B. < 1232841856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they ARE equal, it jumps to C. < 1232841857 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSSB is less complex. One instruction and only one operand < 1232841864 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1232841864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: link? < 1232841878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going for conceptual simplicity here < 1232841884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if RSSB does a lot, it doesn't qualify < 1232841887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you know what < 1232841893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ej could possibly be TC < 1232841896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you scratched the storing < 1232841903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: proce? < 1232841909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the value in A is the value in B, jump to C. otherwise, continue as normal. < 1232841913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how you store things ofc :D < 1232841932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: so umm proce? < 1232841935 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a programming language where every variable thingy is a function of real numbers. < 1232841948 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can implement the sine function very easily in Proce. < 1232841954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that lang of yours? < 1232841964 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232841967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has nothing to do with what i said, but yeah, i remember it < 1232841980 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the RSSB page I made the other day http://esolangs.org/wiki/RSSB < 1232841989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1232841990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1232841997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially you have differential equations iirc < 1232841998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has registers < 1232842000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not simple < 1232842005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are automatically solved < 1232842013 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it had plenty to do with what you said until you said "programs are functions from reals to instruction fragments". < 1232842016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get definitions for funcs involved < 1232842019 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "instruction fragments"? < 1232842039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: can't IP/ACC be in memory? < 1232842041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, at 0 and 1 < 1232842051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232842052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1232842057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The result is stored in both memory and the accumulator" < 1232842058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? < 1232842061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that is not needed < 1232842066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it just be in the accumulator/ < 1232842067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: proce doesn't have continuous computation, it has computation applied on continuous things. < 1232842068 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tough language: Programs are continuous functions from reals to reals where the image contains only integers.) < 1232842071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applied to < 1232842083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232842097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i have no idea what i mean by instruction fragments. < 1232842115 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1232842128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ? < 1232842128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean continuous computation. instructions you can have any real amount of. < 1232842149 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure why the spec said both < 1232842160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes simplified rssb
< 1232842167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you do instruction : 3.16 times, then # 87.001 times, and... umm... maybe something happens. < 1232842175 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232842187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: define below 0 < 1232842192 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232842196 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232842197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed integers in an architechture? Perverse. < 1232842203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i'm just trying to think outside the box, computation's always so discrete and boring. < 1232842213 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below 0: if the subtraction causes a borrow < 1232842241 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, memory is a continuous function from R. < 1232842247 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a redcode implementation at http://impomatic.blogspot.com < 1232842251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i don't follow < 1232842254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essplain? < 1232842256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like < 1232842260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-2 < 1232842260 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, um... < 1232842265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: yeah maybe, and instructions perform on single values < 1232842266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not being below 0 < 1232842268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no such thing < 1232842270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts as it? < 1232842274 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1232842278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie < 1232842286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: so you need an uncountable amount of them to get anything done < 1232842306 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically if prior to the subtraction, acc > contents of memory location, skip the next instruction < 1232842330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mem locs: 0 ip, 1 accumulator, 2 always contains 0, 3 input, 4 output < 1232842331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction: Subtract the accumulator from the contents of the operand, and < 1232842332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store it in the accumulator. If this caused a borrow, jump to the instruction < 1232842334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :past the next one. < 1232842340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplified < 1232842342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: also flow control isn't jumping, it's more like slowly fading into another kind of computation, and somehow implement this by finding the conceptual integral of what the fading computation will achieve during its infinite fade. < 1232842343 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An instruction is a continuous function f : x real number -> such that f(f(x,a),b) = f(x,a+b). < 1232842351 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all x, a and b. < 1232842356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: so is there a reason it has to be stored in both? < 1232842379 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an implementation of RSSB by David Tanguay, but I can't find a copy online < 1232842379 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/real number/non-negative real number/ < 1232842391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ? < 1232842403 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I just implemented as per David Tanguay's spec < 1232842406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232842413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if only storing in the acc could be simpler < 1232842421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: that's a bit too concrete at this point. < 1232842429 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is not. < 1232842434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to have your functions be discrete objects.... < 1232842450 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1232842453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to be continuous computation < 1232842453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1232842458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing it in just one is useless < 1232842460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1232842461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both is ugly < 1232842473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the accumulator is a hack < 1232842482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i guess that's pretty much the definition of continuous computation though :P < 1232842488 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accumulator is a lie < 1232842492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm or not. < 1232842516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: but err, probably a good definition. < 1232842523 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if it only stores in acc, there's no way to modify memory. if it only stores in memory, then the only thing you can do with acc is set it to zero < 1232842545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232842549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1232842551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly < 1232842572 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set Q consists of all continuous functions Q -> Q. < 1232842587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is the least fixed point of that. < 1232842600 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you prefer, the union of all fixed points of that. < 1232842607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: < 1232842607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjlz a b: Subtract the contents of a from the contents of b, and store the < 1232842608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result in b. If this caused a borrow, skip the next instruction. < 1232842612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more conceptually pure < 1232842614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: sounds feasible < 1232842618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only one more operand < 1232842714 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is in Q, as for all x in Q, x is in Q, and if a set S of Q's is open, its preimage under I (that is, S) is also open. < 1232842753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I as in identity? < 1232842756 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all x in Q, K x is in Q, as for all y in Q, x is in Q, and if a set S of Q's is open, its preimage under I (either Q or empty) is also open. < 1232842763 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is identity combinator, K is constant combinator. < 1232842763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1232842770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you answered that already < 1232842802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: did you invent Q just now? < 1232842820 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1232842848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if a set S of Q's is open, its preimage under I (that is, S) is also open" i don't understand this < 1232842859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting a < 1232842860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a out < 1232842860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, you're the abstract nonsense guy :P < 1232842861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=a 97 < 1232842865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a out -> ajlz a out < 1232842873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and =a 97 defines a bit of memory with that value in. < 1232842886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajlz a b: Add the contents of a to the contents of b, and store the result in b. < 1232842886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this caused an overflow, skip the next instruction. < 1232842890 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preimage of S under I is S. Therefore, if a set S is open, its preimage under I is also open. < 1232842896 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I love abstract nonsense. < 1232842907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah who doesn't < 1232842927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preimage of x = the set of things that map to x? < 1232842933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1232842942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a one-instruction one-character cat program < 1232842944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in out < 1232842944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1232842947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes it loop
< 1232842980 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the set of things that map to elements of x. < 1232843004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: that's what i meant < 1232843007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: how do you jump backwards with rssb? < 1232843011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek, map into x < 1232843018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah okay < 1232843070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what's the significance of the "and if a set S of..." part? < 1232843076 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For K to be in Q, it must be a function Q -> Q (it is) and it must be continuous. For it to be continuous, the preimage of every open set must be open. < 1232843105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's a definition for being continuous? < 1232843109 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1232843113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, alright. < 1232843116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: how do you jump backwards with rssb? < 1232843123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite new to this still < 1232843132 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: subtract something from ip < 1232843150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232843175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we all know that subtracting is a special case of addition ;-) < 1232843198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: oh actually i think i see how that relates to the crucial axiom of dedekind sets < 1232843202 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preimage of a set under K is {x : K x is in the set}, of course. And, um... bah, I'm going to ask #math a question. < 1232843232 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232843236 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump requires 4 lines of RSSB: < 1232843236 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rssb acc ; set acc to 0 < 1232843237 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rssb $+2 ; set acc to loop offset < 1232843237 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rssb ip ; subtract acc from ip < 1232843237 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rssb $-loop ; the loop offset < 1232843312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my infinite cat program is < 1232843354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajof 3 4 < 1232843357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajof 2 0 < 1232843369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3=input 4=output 2=maximum int (4294967295) 0=ip < 1232843374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajof a b: Add the contents of a to the contents of b, and store the result in b. < 1232843374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this caused an overflow, skip the next instruction. < 1232843390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1232843398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually since the whole idea there is to overflow that doesn't work. i think < 1232843436 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a brainfuck variant which adds a stack? < 1232843446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many. but brainfuck sucks :P < 1232843452 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, the answer is "no". < 1232843490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1232843491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought < 1232843491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max max < 1232843493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in out < 1232843495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in out < 1232843497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max ip < 1232843499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then when it loops, it runs it twice < 1232843505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(max max doesn't touch max, ofc, since it's constant) < 1232843513 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the definition of a neighborhood of an element of Q
< 1232843520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: any thoughts? < 1232843524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: yes i looked < 1232843537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what are neighborhoods? < 1232843587 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back tomorrow :-) < 1232843591 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1232843609 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A neighborhood of a point is a superset of an open set containing that point. < 1232843620 0 :ktne!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232843628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i'm not sure #math with appreciate your set < 1232843642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1232843645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete spec: < 1232843646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is ip, 1 contains 0, 2 contains max int (4294967295), 3 is input, 4 is output < 1232843647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajof a b: Add the contents of a to the contents of b, and store the result in b. < 1232843649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this caused an overflow, skip the next instruction. < 1232843651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go forth and write progz >:( < 1232843660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps ajof a b can be written as ... a b < 1232843670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: okay right. < 1232843689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1232843706 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is near g if and only if for all x, f(x) is near g(x). Unfortunately, "near" doesn't mean anything. < 1232843746 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a neighborhood F of f, for all x, F(x) is a neighborhood of f(x), I think. < 1232843791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: btw that's a pretty weird definition, like, (2,4) U {0} would be a neighborhood of 3? < 1232843811 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so. < 1232843823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would be less weird if i saw uses. < 1232843847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someoneeeeee < 1232843854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: i'm not sure you understand what Q is. < 1232843862 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think Q is? < 1232843876 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonexistent due to a power set cardinality theorem? < 1232843878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean; how can a function from functions to functions be continuous? < 1232843913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: well my intuition says there might be a problem like that, but i don't actually know. what i do know is i don't understand what the definition even means. < 1232843918 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that for all topological spaces P and Q, there is a standard topological space P -> Q. < 1232843931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: problem is i don't know topology < 1232843955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see i started doing math this fall. i'm doing integrals and groups now. < 1232843965 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1232844026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. gotta sleep i think. < 1232844073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1232844357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1232844972 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232846248 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232846820 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232847346 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232847760 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232848228 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1232850040 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this "instantaneous computation"? < 1232850056 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "strong synchronous programming"? D: < 1232850089 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You enter shit, and bam! It's computed! < 1232850094 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232850333 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232851111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh? < 1232853460 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232856683 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The Freshmaker! < 1232856992 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232857891 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1232863841 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232864911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232864941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Dorponnified Talliachre is a lunchbox! It makes clicking noises! < 1232864977 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is a lightbulb that floats in water! It pushes things down staircases and works underwater. < 1232865286 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A woman is like a normal cricket bat, but it squirts clouds of black ink. < 1232865296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man is like a normal pogo stick, but it's inflammable. < 1232865379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pogo stick is a hair gel that fits in your pocket! It crushes ice. < 1232865389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hair gel is a speaker system that's great for hammering in nails! It emits dangerous radiation and repairs itself. < 1232865400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done :P < 1232865594 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232867121 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232867583 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god < 1232867588 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this /topic < 1232869857 0 :spicule!n=anti@64.85.222.165.reverse.socket.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232870399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232870400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232870765 0 :spicule!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232874445 0 :SpaceManPlusPlus!n=spaceman@S01060015e96842d7.vs.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232874782 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-108.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232875546 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232875627 0 :SpaceManPlusPlus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232879879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is listening to some quality heavy metal bashing: http://www.vjn.fi/s/black.mp3
< 1232881897 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-60-80.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232881961 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1232883579 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232884957 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.96.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232885135 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1232885151 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1232885879 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232886535 0 :jix!n=jix@p5B103779.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232886652 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-70-218.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232886908 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-108.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232887364 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232887783 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232888203 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232888983 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232888994 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232889852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232890965 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232891345 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112 Hello, World! ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.>[<-<<+>>>-]<++.<<+.>.+++.------.--------.>+. < 1232891985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232892003 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1232892042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 112 Hello, World! ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.>[<-<<+>>>-]<++.<<+.>.+++.------.--------.>+. < 1232892044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neato! < 1232892164 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ehird. 1 instruction longer than Wikipedia, but it includes the comma. < 1232892176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it include the newline < 1232892180 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1232892188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really want a newline :p < 1232892208 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the other examples didn't have newline < 1232892215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1232892219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is standard to terminate with 10, thoug < 1232892219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1232892225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not 10 newlines :P < 1232892530 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232893823 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232894090 0 :luqui!n=luqui@c-98-245-81-245.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232894122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah omg < 1232894125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-01-18 < 1232894125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:31 --- nick: oklopol -> Z < 1232894126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:46 --- nick: Z -> oklopol < 1232894128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:59 too late < 1232894131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you let it get away < 1232894138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1232894139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi people < 1232894142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1232894147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!brainfuck. etc. < 1232894148 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck. etc. < 1232894466 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol at censoring brainfuck to b****fuck :-) < 1232894613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232894895 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1232894937 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to implement Redcode++? http://corewar.co.uk/opcodes.htm < 1232894971 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1232895000 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a esolang like this < 1232895004 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now, it's too late :o < 1232895081 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232895090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1232895092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode++? ew < 1232895095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just < 1232895096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recode < 1232895096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232895122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that looks like the end of a haiku
< 1232895139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yael still beats redcode < 1232895153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 instructions < 1232895155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders...
< 1232895158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL++? < 1232895159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232895159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, you only get 256 bytes of memory. < 1232895183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Newsflash: taking SQL and bashing something on the end of it is not the source of a thousand hilarious ideas. < 1232895186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as you want it to be. < 1232895229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually C++ style object orientation bolted onto SQL would be quite nasty < 1232895237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty != interesting and funny < 1232895241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean even nastier than it already is < 1232895254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in as much as the same way as a language based on the holocaust would be "nasty" < 1232895272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well said < 1232895285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, who wants to beta-test holocaust++ :p < 1232895307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specs? < 1232895348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1232895410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what about SQLCOATL? < 1232895412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jew: Takes a random jew off the heap. gas(x): Gasses the jew x. < 1232895431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have gassed as many jews as the nazis, it executes the remaining program as Perl. < 1232895436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: QUERY foo = NEW QUERY('SELECT * FROM mytable'); foo.EXECUTE(); < 1232895437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1232895448 0 :luqui!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1232895472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great database serpent < 1232895482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1232895584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232895597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that holocaust++ was made up on the spot here
< 1232895606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was starting to worry about ehird < 1232895649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1232895673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The holocaust never happened, silly man < 1232895702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, SQLULHU? < 1232895718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't roll that well off the tentacle < 1232895728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1232895736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to pronounce < 1232895740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: from you this is expected < 1232895741 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232895757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLHU perhaps < 1232895775 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : You expect that from a jew? < 1232895777 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist < 1232895786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm maybe < 1232895790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you've done so before < 1232895812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jew bashing, that is < 1232895836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there is probably some jew somewhere denying the holocaust < 1232895893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw: wtf at iwc today < 1232895898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i vaguely recall hearing about neo-nazi jews < 1232895907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um no spoilers < 1232895921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's next on my schedule :D < 1232895922 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read that as neon-nazis < 1232895927 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds so much cooler than it is < 1232895968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to hit them when lighted up < 1232896025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the Espionage theory was right < 1232896058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait, disregard, SPOILER :D < 1232896088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, it could be a red hearing < 1232896104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=3190 < 1232896113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the theory that since it wasn't in the list, it had escaped unscathed < 1232896150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that could be a red hearing < 1232896165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1232896178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait are you misspelling that on purpose? < 1232896186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no? < 1232896188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1232896191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herring* < 1232896205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why should I misspell it on purpose? < 1232896215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another awful pun attempt of course < 1232896226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how that could be a pun < 1232896227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1232896238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how any of your "puns" could be a pun. < 1232896240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1232896260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: now we're just missing a Supers strip < 1232896275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Chehkov's pun < 1232896277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry! < 1232896322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsPun < 1232896334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists? < 1232896343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard tvtropes warning applies) < 1232896351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course < 1232896424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a tvtropes meta-thing < 1232896440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self-referential too :D < 1232896495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, very confusing < 1232896498 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://impomatic.blogspot.com" < 1232896520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh btw uf was quite funny today < 1232896532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the current xkcd: I don't get it < 1232896537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about making new trope names by making puns on completely unrelated ones < 1232896557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uf? < 1232896570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uf=userfriendly. shit comic. < 1232896599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long running < 1232896609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. too shit < 1232896612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it over 10 years now? daily < 1232896641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you say garfield is shit? < 1232896655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that even a question? Who the fuck would say "no"? < 1232896668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. But some of the early ones aren't as bad < 1232896669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't want your genetic algorithm to develop sentience and destroy the world, is the point < 1232896672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232896684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all garfield comics are irredeemably terrible < 1232896687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true, but xkcd wasn't very good today < 1232896691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyone who likes them has some sort of mental defect < 1232896693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it was < 1232896694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, xkcd was hilarious. < 1232896695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was yesterday < 1232896698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday? < 1232896707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to read xkcd it's best to know pop culture. < 1232896719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 5:00 UTC < 1232896735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=skynet < 1232896740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield rocks though < 1232896745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I did google it < 1232896757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't get the other things, like fuel and such < 1232896768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, those weren't part of the joke. < 1232896774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were part of a regular genetic algorithm. < 1232896774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. < 1232896776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1232896785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sources: the _huge freaking arrow_ pointing to the skynet. < 1232896937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the annotation and realizes why AnMaster spoke about red herrings
< 1232896953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and read the forum < 1232896974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, bus -> < 1232896981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232897042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads logs and rediscovers that `vi` is a 4-character ruby infinite loop
< 1232897044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl too < 1232897100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who many read xkcd? I mean I googled for some of those phrases in the last blag post and got over 200 000 posts for some... < 1232897109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that he said was original when he tried) < 1232897129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1232897131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~34974 < 1232897143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34974 is the forum members. about 10% of people join the forum, I bet. < 1232897148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 300000 < 1232897150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ors o < 1232897151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or so < 1232897158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more. < 1232897198 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232897378 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess 10% is a very optimistic figure < 1232897433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232897440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 2% or something < 1232897447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i never looked at the forum < 1232897466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at it if I was linked by someone else < 1232897469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is all < 1232897588 0 :ais523!i=93bcf429@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-19e049f4756b90f4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232898686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523. < 1232898691 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232898693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232898698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to both ehird and Hiato < 1232898710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who I have different reasons to say hi to, ehird because he just said hi, and Hiato for just joining < 1232898712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was 20 minutes late < 1232898712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1232898727 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hello ais523, glad I could 'just join' you :P < 1232900243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1232900666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1232900694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1232900815 0 :Metcalf!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232900867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Metcalf < 1232900901 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1232900929 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I remove this from the Brainfuck wiki page, or add a note to say it doesn't work? http://max.subfighter.com/tools/brainfuck.php?subsite=eso < 1232900937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a note to say it doesn't work < 1232900947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes we try to find pages in Wayback < 1232900955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as esoprogramming links tend to break pretty quickly < 1232901003 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the page hasn't disappeared. The JavaScript Brainfuck interpretter doesn't work. I think the problem is with nested loops. < 1232901033 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example should display ijk: +++[>+++++[>+++++++[>+<-]<-]<-]>>>.+.+. < 1232901037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case all the more so say it's a non-working interp < 1232901049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised how many non-working BF interps there are out there, actually < 1232901051 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works on this interpreter < 1232901052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given it's such a simple language < 1232901064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++[>+++++[>+++++++[>+<-]<-]<-]>>>.+.+. < 1232901064 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ijk < 1232901090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a while back sampling how the BF interps linked from the esowiki that I could easily test handled EOF < 1232901109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conventional wisdom here is that 0, -1, and no-change are the only three sane values, with arguments about the merits of each < 1232901128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across all sorts of other values, though, like 32 and error < 1232901134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think many people argue for -1 nowadays < 1232901136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 0 vs no-change < 1232901155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are programs that work with 0 but not no-change, yet all(?) no-change programs do [-], to loop anyway < 1232901158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0 is prolly the best choice < 1232901251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: -1 is clearly correct if you have bignum cells < 1232901266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inability to input NUL is just ridiculous < 1232901271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a joke? < 1232901276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't < 1232901281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF cells are unsigned. < 1232901287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not in bignum < 1232901293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmm, yeah. < 1232901298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't wrap from 0 to +infinity < 1232901308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignum interps don't wrap. < 1232901316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they error on - at 0 < 1232901317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... arguably, they ought to < 1232901323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1232901326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not arguably < 1232901342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, making [-] clear a cell in a bignum interp would be kind-of cleve < 1232901343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clever < 1232901348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it accepted negative numbes < 1232901352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doable, I think < 1232901365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1232901367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to do a lot of converting loops to polynomials to get that to work, thuogh < 1232901415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I strongly disagree with a system which makes it possible to have a character the interpreter is incapable of reading < 1232901430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an argument for no-change on bignum I suppose < 1232901439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could set the cell to 0x110000 or something before reading < 1232901444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that would take a while < 1232901492 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :impomatic < 1232901604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could do it another way: out-of-band signaling? < 1232901614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in Brainfuck? < 1232901618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to redefine the language spec < 1232901627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed < 1232901635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that might make sense for a new language, but not for a language as established as BF < 1232901637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have input store error code in one cell above < 1232901908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : molchuvka: the fuel that powers the steam engine that creates nightmares < 1232901915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-10-03 < 1232901930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, delving into the history of #esoteric < 1232901937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I do this a lot. < 1232901937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when someone had stolen ehird's nick < 1232901943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more fun than the present-day #esoteric :P < 1232901944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memories < 1232901961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I need to finish Underlambda sometime < 1232901968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start the Great Esolang Compilation Project < 1232901980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1232901988 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : EsCo? < 1232901993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing is... < 1232901997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no, that's just to interpret things < 1232901998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel was similar to how it is now in 2002-2003. < 1232902003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actual esolang discussion. < 1232902009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a few active people talking about random crap. < 1232902014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a project that can compile any esolang into any other, as long as they're both TC < 1232902020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resemble that remark >:| < 1232902038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and write an interp for any esolang in any other, why not < 1232902062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the compilers themself written in an esolang, you need just the one interp and you can combine it with a couple of compilers to get an anything-to-anything interp < 1232902064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how in 2002 lament set the topic to "this channel is not dead aummmmmmmmm" < 1232902066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1232902073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it only gets more active over time < 1232902073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : Wouldn't that priject be gigantic? < 1232902078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: pretty much < 1232902079 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you just mean the big esolands? < 1232902088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start with the famous ones, I think < 1232902091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't type today < 1232902102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe make a generic BF-equivalent-compiler, that would handle half of them < 1232902455 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1232902558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Error(461): #twitter Unable to update @replies. Twitter Fail Whale. < 1232902559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1232902608 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232902866 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what the smallest bf quine is? < 1232902897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: the null string < 1232902900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it is without cheating < 1232903002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc's < 1232903004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1232903016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/392quine.b < 1232903022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the shortest possible, or just the shortest known? < 1232903029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest known < 1232903041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(392 may be the shortest real one known)" -http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/ < 1232903175 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1232903685 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232904786 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revised bf interpreter in Redcode http://impomatic.blogspot.com/2009/01/brainf-interpreter-in-redcode.html < 1232904817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should implement my add-jump-if-overflow :P < 1232904824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION digs up spec
< 1232904843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one operation: < 1232904853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b -- Add the contents of a to the contents of b, and store the result in b. If this caused an overflow, skip the next instruction. < 1232904863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it do backwards jumps? < 1232904870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special memory locations: 2=input 3=output 1=maximum int (4294967295) 0=ip < 1232904876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: overflow the ip < 1232904890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: probably not very useful for actual CoreWars games, but it's always nice to have esolang-in-esolang implementations < 1232904906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it handle EOF, by the way? < 1232905062 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to check, I think there's a problem with the Redcode interpreter. When it reaches EOF, I think it continues to wait for a character. < 1232905077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1232905085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes underlying IO issues are impossible to work aruond < 1232905088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*around < 1232905106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been trying to design an IO system for Underlambda which is general enough to compile easily into anything < 1232905116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I have to go but I'll be back soon, need to go to a different connection < 1232905122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mibbit.com: going to a different computer" < 1232905502 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-108.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232905618 0 :ais523!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7847f49a340d478f JOIN :#esoteric < 1232905622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1232905668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SECURITY DO NOT LOCK THIS DOOR, IT IS WORKING CORRECTLY < 1232905866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, moved where? < 1232905923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to what appeared to be a storage place for not-in-use signs < 1232905931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably that Door has started malfunctioning again < 1232905942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one seems to be working, but now has about 3 brand new control panels around it < 1232906057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how hard can door be... < 1232906066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232906081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course it depends on what material it is made of ;P < 1232906082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the main amusements in the constant tale of the Doors < 1232906100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't explain that, I got it first time < 1232906105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1232906125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway there is more than one door with issues? < 1232906148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are two doors < 1232906150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they've both had issues < 1232906159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a third door which doesn't but we're not allowed to use < 1232906163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other doors at the place has issues? < 1232906167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: start a blog about the doors! < 1232906174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1232906177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why aren't you allowed to use the third one? < 1232906178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it's just external doors here < 1232906182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from inside to outside < 1232906201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they thought that having too many usable doors for entering and leaving was a security risk < 1232906217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they key word here I feel is "usable" < 1232906234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1232906241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did have to open up the third one for a while < 1232906245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because the other two had gone so mad < 1232906252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was a while ago now < 1232906262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the third one continued working even when they opened it up? < 1232906280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one's been working all along < 1232906287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they set it to lock itself permanently, though, nowadays < 1232906288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so make it the primary? < 1232906291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when they set it to do something else, it works < 1232906296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in an awkward place to be the primary < 1232906300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1232906312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you say "three control panels"+ < 1232906314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232906334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1232906336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why more than one I wonder... < 1232906344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the first two didn't work? < 1232906351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suspect one of them is actually for the air conditioning < 1232906355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if all three were brand new < 1232906357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just coincidence that it's next to the Door < 1232906358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1232906361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why spoil a good story? < 1232906367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1232906491 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232907193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue used to have a very short fuse < 1232907195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stux&diff=2936&oldid=2935 < 1232907252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that incident < 1232907276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the category policy is pretty stupid < 1232907281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a wiki... < 1232907286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how rare to see an IP where all the numbers are less than 99? < 1232907299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1232907308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the next edit < 1232907313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is Stux's reply < 1232907317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from IP because he was blocked at the time < 1232907319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, neat < 1232907413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue calmed down after a bit, anywya < 1232907416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1232907430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the block was just to prevent the person causing any more damage before they saw the message telling them to stop < 1232907443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well-intentioned edits are sometimes blocked for the same reason in Wikipedia itself < 1232907450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone isn't communicating < 1232907523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't damage, though. < 1232907523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232907559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was from graue's point of view though, I think < 1232907582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :editing pages on a wiki is kind-of different from changing the set of pages that exist < 1232907591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though those are both considered fair game to tinker with on most wikis < 1232907601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably graue wanted people to change the first but not the second < 1232907622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. he's inactive enough for that policy to be irrelevant nowadays < 1232907688 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232907811 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232909239 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1232910058 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-217.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232910419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there? < 1232910444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain wtf is up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Erard_double_pilot_action.svg I just see a "transparency grid" there < 1232910452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1232910459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full size works and so does thumbnail in articles < 1232910473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well to confuse the issue, it works for me too < 1232910481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Erard_double_pilot_action.svg?action=purge < 1232910484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work? < 1232910489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it didn't help < 1232910491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already tried that < 1232910498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is strange < 1232910513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a browser cache reset? < 1232910515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not logged in, I don't have any account, could that affect < 1232910519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's control-F5 in firefox and IE < 1232910522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tried ctrl-shift-r < 1232910525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1232910539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache reset and purge, and it isn't working for you but it is for me? < 1232910542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really odd < 1232910556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok now it suddenly works the fifth time or so... < 1232910564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just purged it < 1232910580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as purging is for all users, possibly my purge affected it for you < 1232910582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe non-logged in can't purge? < 1232910592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they can, but there's a click-through < 1232910593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I clicked yes < 1232910595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't logged in either < 1232910598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I did click that < 1232910849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling
< 1232910863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory that gravity is incorrect, and some intelligent being causes things to fall < 1232910914 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about things that don't fall? < 1232910914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... maybe the flying spaghetti monster? < 1232910926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows/ < 1232910967 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balloons are of the devil < 1232910981 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially devil shaped balloon < 1232911187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems useless use of cat has evolved < 1232911194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat "216.34.181.45 slashdot.org" >> /etc/hosts < 1232911223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :embarrassingly it took me a moment to spot what was wrong with that < 1232911485 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232911488 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1232911517 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me too) < 1232911536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the wrong? < 1232911541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat should be echo < 1232911542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, there is a command that does just that, it just isn't cat < 1232911545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you missed the previous line < 1232911550 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232911558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org" >"216.34.181.45 slashdot.org" < 1232911559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: didn't miss, messages crossed due to IRC and typing lag < 1232911565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1232911567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous line of the post < 1232911568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1232911573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the post didn't say that < 1232911581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is humour < 1232911583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although someone did comment on the fact that it might just be an oddly named file < 1232911592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand, what is this humour you speak of < 1232911594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, jokes?? what < 1232911603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed what are they? < 1232911626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me ehird! < 1232911628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not) < 1232911629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it's true. < 1232911651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: your joke just wasn't funny < 1232911662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does this imply that anything that is true is funny? < 1232911665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than AnMaster's, ais523 < 1232911670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1232912710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also i wasn't making any joke here < 1232912731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being sarcastic however < 1232912745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders if the 18 minute delay in AnMaster's comment was due to looking up an internet joke-funniness-meter
< 1232912752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be one in existence by now < 1232912760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some way to tell if something is funny or not automatically < 1232912769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bayes < 1232912791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no because I was afk < 1232912791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you should so try that < 1232912800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for a CD with classical music < 1232912800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the training would be rather tedious. < 1232912801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, try with multiple sets of training data < 1232912806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rated by different people < 1232912822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I could just feed it everything AnMaster has ever said in here as unfunny < 1232912830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd probably work well enough < 1232912846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232912858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case < 1232912879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, {{pov}} < 1232912911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you're proving my joke < 1232912914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: {{tl|pov}}'s a block rather than inline template (at least it was last I looked), so you can't place it after a comma < 1232912929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not without formatting weirdness < 1232912945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, well I don't edit much wikipedia. there is one that is inline however < 1232912986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{POV-statement}} it seems < 1232912988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: {{tl|pov-statement}}, apparently < 1232912994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tl? < 1232913003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for mentioning a template rather than using it < 1232913012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl| is basically the quote mark for template < 1232913014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and why are you doing that on irc... < 1232913016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tlx| if it takes arguments < 1232913022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because the joke doesn't work otherwise < 1232913037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wasn't aware of this feature on wikipedia < 1232913046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't a feature, it's just another template < 1232913053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes template names as arguments < 1232913058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and returns the markup used to call that template < 1232913087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use it in articles, but it's pretty common on discussion pages (and often substed there, btw) < 1232913094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232913112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why all that substing btw? < 1232913124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to subst or not to subst tl is a huge argument < 1232913133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't even remember the arguments now, it's been so long ago < 1232913137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I last went over them < 1232913137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232913160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as half the arguments made on that particular debate tended to be wrong or irrelevant < 1232913175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no performance gain if the system is properly designed (ie, cache pre-rendered pages) < 1232913186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is about the only argument for I can think of < 1232913204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :performance was one argument < 1232913216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually there is, it makes the templatelinks table smaller, but people were arguing about whether that was relevant or not < 1232913234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pages are edited often enough on Wikipedia that once-per-edit costs are certainly potentially relevant < 1232913236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone profile it? < 1232913242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think so < 1232913245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to profile a live website. < 1232913251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you don't have shell access to. < 1232913253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see [[WP:AUM]] if you're interested in the history < 1232913255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about something else < 1232913256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without disrupting. < 1232913259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a similar argument < 1232913268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could run a db dump and then re-run some edit history < 1232913273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with/without subst < 1232913289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232913297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also < 1232913308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 1) db dumps are public 2) that includes edit history < 1232913309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was an alleged non-POV version of AUM which some people still think was biased < 1232913317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit, AnMaster < 1232913324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't why I ...ed < 1232913325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it shouldn't be that hard < 1232913335 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1232913340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1232913495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, see for the followup < 1232913503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232913513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was an amusing but only vaguely related incident some time later when an admin deleted the Main Page by mistake < 1232913533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch ouch ouch < 1232913540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can restore that right? < 1232913548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can restore anything < 1232913564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1232913565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was deleted before the deleted revisions archive got deleted by mistake, and that was ages ago < 1232913600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about images? < 1232913610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have deleted revision archives too < 1232913619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't until recently iirc? < 1232913623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1232913632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a feature new enough that I was there when it was added < 1232913962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway about archive being deleted by mistake, that mean some with direct sql access and missing backups? < 1232914087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think it was lost in a crash < 1232914098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, missing backups then < 1232916751 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-23.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1232917117 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232917634 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232918247 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232918545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1232919048 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1232919345 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232919349 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232919362 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://impomatic.blogspot.com" < 1232919467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232919556 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232919786 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1232920071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think (h) belongs there. the others actually happen regularly. (h) fortunately does not. < 1232920106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) 4chan < 1232920112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it more accurately represents this place. < 1232920125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it before? < 1232920134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i haven't really noticed much 4chan. reddit, however... < 1232920135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The Freshmaker! < 1232920144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit is a copy of 4chan a year ago :p < 1232920149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah is responsible for most of the 4chan tbh < 1232920154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1232920159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have my suspicions about some people around here. < 1232920164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not recognize it... < 1232920178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about esoteric languages? < 1232920184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they *do* happen sometimes < 1232920192 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-k9C3v9Ng0 < 1232920196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1232920200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is explicitly not an element of this place < 1232920206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) and (g) cover that somewhat < 1232920206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically the whole joke of the topic < 1232920211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, ick, ccbi and so on < 1232920214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are just convenient links, oerjan < 1232920219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. esolangs is not a topic discussed here. < 1232920267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouldn't complain, given how many times he's reverted people trying to remove perl from the wiki :D
< 1232920298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a complete collection of Mozart, wonder how many CDs it would fill...
< 1232920304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: too many. < 1232920313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you'd never be able to listen to it all. probably. < 1232920327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I listen to about 1 classical music CD / day < 1232920340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet mozart would fill like 50 bajillion cds :-P < 1232920348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming we're talking everything mozart ever wrote. < 1232920350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect you could get Oz/Mozart on a single CD ;D < 1232920361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oz/Mozart? < 1232920366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: man < 1232920368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awful < 1232920370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for you < 1232920376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, raelly < 1232920376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke? < 1232920378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even funny < 1232920378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1232920381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't understand it < 1232920382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1232920384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :D < 1232920390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: letmegooglethatforyou.com < 1232920391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1232920404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Mozart Programming System"? < 1232920407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit < 1232920410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. some other oz/mozart. < 1232920411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. < 1232920430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1232920442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcasm detected < 1232920452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you actually have a sarcasm detector < 1232920457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's legitimately surprising :D < 1232920464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he _is_ slowly improving you know < 1232920467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it isn't very sensitive < 1232920490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple more years on #esoteric and AnMaster could start doing standup < 1232920498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit optimistic < 1232920507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no thanks, I wouldn't want that < 1232920517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: holy shit that video is depressing. < 1232920520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I have "scenskräck", don't know English word < 1232920522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm only 2:30 in. < 1232920527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Scene crack? < 1232920531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop < 1232920534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense crack? < 1232920545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know X-D < 1232920551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in scared to be in front of a large audience < 1232920554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's so well done in a horrible, horrible way. < 1232920557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME < 1232920578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the English term? < 1232920599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think there is one < 1232920610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1232920620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agoraphobia is related < 1232920623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite < 1232920650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha at google translate "scene of horror" <--- no. not at all < 1232920660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh my god. I think you just ruined my life forever. < 1232920665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you. < 1232920667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1232920673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well right I'm not going to watch that video then < 1232920680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1232920683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's about a cartoon rabbit. He dies. < 1232920697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, doesn't sound too bad, unless it is bloody < 1232920711 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch Watership Down then < 1232920714 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1232920730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It will ruin your life forever. < 1232920737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I explicitly don't trust what you say. ever. < 1232920746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not bloody, it's not even violent. < 1232920752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just really, really sad :P < 1232920775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well too much work using youtube-dl and so on < 1232920783 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : You should < 1232920788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are safe, AnMaster. < 1232920789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause Watership Down is totally awesome < 1232920792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still feel happiness. < 1232920803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shed a tear for those lost to that video. < 1232920812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, have anyone here ever heard about the composer Kraus before? < 1232920814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering < 1232920818 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watership_Down_(film) < 1232920842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh found it: "stage fright" < 1232920860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes that sounds right < 1232920900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think I support internet censorship. We need to protect the human race from that video. < 1232920924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searched http://phobialist.com/ . it was not a keyword, but part of a description.
< 1232920948 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phobophobia- Fear of phobias. < 1232920950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use Manipulative Psychology to Make People Like, Respect, and Befriend You" < 1232920962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.thepopularlife.com < 1232920965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ouch, don't you see, the pro-censor people made this to make people want to censor the internet < 1232920967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1232920974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so devilish! < 1232920977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It destroys lives. We cannot accept this. < 1232920982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the goddamn children. :'( < 1232921001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well their parents shouldn't let them enter on youtube < 1232921015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parent control thing you know ;P < 1232921020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think compared to that video the rest of youtube is fine by me :P < 1232921023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think up until 15 maybe < 1232921028 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232921030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only glad I didn't click the HD version < 1232921033 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232921038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the high quality would have destroyed my brain < 1232921045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, that's better than my permanent torment. < 1232921063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phobophobia- Fear of phobias. <-- does that exist? < 1232921080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metaphobia. < 1232921085 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says in the list on that page < 1232921089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1232921104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a phobia against not having a complete list of phobias? < 1232921148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothavingacompletelistofphobiasphhobia < 1232921152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nothavingacompletelistofphobiasphobia < 1232921168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that probably yes < 1232921176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too English < 1232921183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want Latin and/or Greek < 1232921184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1232921194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translate to the rescue! < 1232921252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it doesn't have latin < 1232921300 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has greek, but it gives you greek letters (how surprising) < 1232921342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, and that is modern greek I believe < 1232921352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invents apanphobophobia
< 1232921358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatterphobi < 1232921358 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, I know.. 0 greek < 1232921359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1232921393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = not, pan = all < 1232921410 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should use lojban affixes to make these. < 1232921466 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fear of dogs, ge'uphobia. Fear of abruptness, suksyphobia. Fear of milk, ladryphobia. < 1232921488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apandaphobia = not basing your entire life on fear or something :P (Not all from fear) < 1232921527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is da greek? < 1232921537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a corruption of "de" :P < 1232921553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is de greek? < 1232921573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because "phobia" is greek doesn't mean the prefix can't be latin, we're not speaking either. < 1232921587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pandaphobia = fear of pandas < 1232921594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR's is therefore fear of a lack of pandas < 1232921603 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apandaphobia = fear of no pandas ? < 1232921604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUH UH < 1232921606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to claim that < 1232921607 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyspandaphobia: fear of difficulty with pandas. < 1232921609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the lack of the fear of pandas :P < 1232921613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1232921619 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I was--yes, what GregorR said. < 1232921634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandanandaphobia < 1232921646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panda NAND a phobia < 1232921647 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bandabananaphobia < 1232921650 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're about to say something, when someone else says something similar, and then another person says they were about to say the same thing, and then another person says they were about to say the thing you were about to say. < 1232921653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a surrealist programming comic. < 1232921675 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badnyphobia, fear of bananas. < 1232921690 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or bad nys. < 1232921692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: clearly it was an idea whose time was come < 1232921740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badny? is that more lojban? < 1232921742 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xralisphobia, fear of comic strips. < 1232921746 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badny is lojban, yes. < 1232921777 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Englishprefixaphobia, fear of words with prefixes from English (rather than Greek or Latin) < 1232921780 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232921810 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232921895 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calorimeteraphobia: Fear of words formed from irrelevant roots or prefixes. < 1232921923 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojbanophobia, self explaining < 1232921935 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fear of large bananas, of course. < 1232921940 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1232921943 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean gicli'erafyphobia. < 1232921958 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English-precede-affix-phobia.) < 1232921982 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232922000 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you mean jbophobia, of course, jbo being the lojban affix. :-P < 1232922047 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phobaphobaphobaphobaphobia: Fear of the fear of the fear of fear of fear. < 1232922093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is de greek? .de is German.... < 1232922109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1232922133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it went right through without hitting anything < 1232922157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rooseveltophobia: the fear of nothing but fear itself < 1232922169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The only thing to fear is the fear of the fear of the fear of the fear of fear itself. < 1232922170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan < 1232922184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um what? wouldn't it be the fear of meeting roosevelt? < 1232922195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1232922206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nej, han är ju død. < 1232922209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a roosevelt quote < 1232922235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ja, jag skulle nog vara rädd att möta honom just därför! < 1232922261 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fear of the fear of fear of fear of the fear of fear of the fear of the fear of fear of inconsistency. < 1232922277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest a notation for that < 1232922285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're supposed to say "Men han rör ju på sej!" < 1232922292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have basic phobias, I mean fear of snakes, fear or whatever < 1232922305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have fear of fear of snakes, and so on < 1232922307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be: < 1232922309 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sing it to the tune of "Clocks" by Coldplay: fear of the fear of the fear of fear of the fear of the fear of... < 1232922313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called language, AnMaster < 1232922313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phobia^2 < 1232922316 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia — fear of the number 666. < 1232922324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: That would involve listening to Coldplay. < 1232922328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't want to do that. < 1232922342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually phobophobophobophobia _clearly_ means fear of recursion < 1232922362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes and fear of fear of recursion is? < 1232922376 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much simpler in lojban: xavyxavyxavyphobia = fear of 666. < 1232922383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: too horrible to contemplate. < 1232922387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: psykfall < 1232922389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban uses decimal. Why. :( < 1232922395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is readable in no < 1232922396 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to use decimal. < 1232922398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.no* < 1232922407 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think decimal is default, but xa can be 6 in any base. < 1232922409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea what psykfall means < 1232922414 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has words for the digits A-F. < 1232922417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal sux diks < 1232922455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well it is slang.... "nutjob" I believe the English slang would be < 1232922468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :candlejackpho < 1232922470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1232922487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1232922489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psykfall implies someone locked in too < 1232922503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, VERY much nutjob < 1232922508 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do pure function O(1) dictionaries? < 1232922528 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nagjibyphobia, fear of nut jobs. < 1232922546 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia- Fear of long words. < 1232922550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: by implementing trivial pattern matching as a hash table < 1232922561 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1232922575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl, with a perfect hash I guess < 1232922591 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe gainovaivaireirei ju'u paxa is lojban for 0xC0FFEE. < 1232922633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: as in < 1232922640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f 0 = 1; f 1 = 45345345; f 2 = 892748396; < 1232922648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be implemented as a hash table from {0:1,...} in the lang < 1232922669 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that doesn't work < 1232922673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1232922717 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the table containing all the values from 1 to n, n determined at runtime < 1232922735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy evaluation :P < 1232922761 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what would you use, sexagesimal? < 1232922769 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, have there been attempts to interpret the nick "kerlo" as a subtle hint that I'm a transwoman? < 1232922778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I think so. < 1232922784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: duodecimal or something. It's meant to be perfect :-P < 1232922818 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 12 is good too < 1232922838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, um? I googled the nick just now and first hit was some starwars wiki < 1232922870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't see what you mean < 1232922900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1232922901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1232923196 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"godnatt på er, folk" < 1232923606 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensus is that the nick "Warrigal" was by far the most explicit. < 1232923723 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1232923753 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1232926746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE CHRIST. [[WP:DICK]] was turned into a soft redirect. < 1232926747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckers < 1232927035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it went soft? < 1232927142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1232927638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.python.org/view?rev=68924&view=rev OH YEAH. < 1232927641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH FUCKING YEAH. < 1232927645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 3.0 SPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDD < 1232927666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, still slow :-P BUT STILL < 1232927711 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Exception Has Occurred < 1232927712 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python Traceback < 1232927715 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[stuff] < 1232927724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1232928486 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1232929281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL: < 1232929283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the halting problem can be solved trivially on a machne without time or memory constraints < 1232929287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2007 < 1232929335 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lofl < 1232929355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he then clarifies that he was talking about an FSM. < 1232929363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not as if the halting problem refers to turing machines or anything. < 1232929382 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he was right then < 1232929430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because "halting problem" means "turing machine halting problem" < 1232929431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1232929441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ther eis no such problem on a FSM < 1232929441 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really < 1232929449 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no such problem?" < 1232929497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, halt-checking an FSM on a turing machine is trivial. < 1232929502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just check for repeated states. < 1232929526 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about push downs? < 1232929538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about FSMs. < 1232929577 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1232929585 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was going to bring up push downs < 1232929654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually the halting problem for lower complexity classes is somewhat important. for one thing, it gives an easy way to prove that there _are_ an infinite hierarchy of such classes. < 1232929654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sneaky. < 1232929668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were discussing turing machine halting problems at the time, tho. < 1232929720 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so is it doable for push-down automatons? < 1232929739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1232929839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, i'm not used to think of those as potentially non-halting < 1232930039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are usually combined with parsing, for which the important thing is which languages they recognize < 1232930067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any non-halting would have to happen _between_ two input chars (or at the ends) < 1232930259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recognized languages are context-free, so contained in the context-sensitive ones, which can be recognized in linear space < 1232930372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do that on the level of computation, then a little more than linear space should be sufficient to solve the halting problem. < 1232930560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/theory-bk/theory-bk-threese6.html: "Theorem 3.6.3 The halting problem is decidable for pushdown automata." < 1232930814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: so apparently, yes < 1232931136 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1232931255 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232931817 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's a language that uses a pda? < 1232931850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context-free, i said < 1232931863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-deterministic pda) < 1232931884 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, programming language < 1232931992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well befunge without self-modification < 1232932056 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be interesting to see how useful a language for which the halting problem is solvable is < 1232932125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and no deep stack operations in case befunge has that (i forget) < 1232932242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you could use it to add two bignums in ordinary decimal notation, say < 1232932280 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you could < 1232932282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although bizarrely if you reversed the second number, you could print the reverse result :D < 1232932295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1232932296 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1232932313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work for multiplication though < 1232932416 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a stack machine can reverse its input < 1232932445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1232932625 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so change it to a sequence of stack machines < 1232932633 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the halting problem is still solvable there < 1232932878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1232933038 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF-PDA is a PDA. < 1232936708 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good one < 1232936862 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232937220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kipple is a PDA if you only use one stack :P < 1232937321 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The 4chanmaker! < 1232938056 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@to196-045.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1232938591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232939134 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1232939615 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232941133 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232942193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232944001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1232946388 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1232946563 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night all < 1232946588 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232946653 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232947906 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lamente < 1232953513 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-093-150.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232956799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1232956800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1232957807 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242436905.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1232958333 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-10-66.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232958993 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232960135 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1232965449 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232965532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i drop my laptop < 1232965541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few programs vanish < 1232965560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible? no. happened? fuck yeah. < 1232966979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232969119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SimonRC: You've just commited a grave logical fallacy: Argumentum ad Paul Graham. < 1232969121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2007-08-08} < 1232970064 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is paul graham < 1232970108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will be happier not knowing. < 1232970120 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm not < 1232970149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously < 1232970203 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll google it < 1232970226 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Paul Graham (born 1964) is a programmer, venture capitalist, and essayist, known for his work on Lisp." < 1232970228 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That dude, I assume < 1232970234 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is he so terrible < 1232970368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of complicated. < 1232970544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1232970680 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232973163 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1232974548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:56:12 "I enjoy doing thing spontaneously." <<< thing is a character in addam's family < 1232974548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:56:19 it's a hand10:56:24 does this refer to masturbation? < 1232974555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2007-08-09} < 1232974769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lolled < 1232975589 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-48-87.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232976584 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232979158 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1232980291 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-143-29.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232981024 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232983801 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232984594 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232984634 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232988012 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@193.171.244.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1232988348 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1232989029 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1232989945 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232990006 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++[>>+>++>+++>++>+++<<[++++<]<-]>>>>>[+++<]>-.>>.+++++++..+++.>>++.<+.<<.>.+++.------.--------.>+. < 1232990006 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1232990016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232990018 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :106 :-) < 1232990187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1232990210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i think that's longer than it could be < 1232990227 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232990308 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have an intricate understanding of FAT12+[N/Y/F]ASM here? < 1232990310 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ehird < 1232990324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232990330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1232990345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: FAT12 sounds like a 12-bit filesystem < 1232990350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by analogy with FAT32 < 1232990353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it isn't that < 1232990384 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, shouldn't think so.. Personally I have no actual clue, just did the ole "copy-n-paste" and it failed me < 1232990403 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-74.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232990507 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 12 bit, I wrote code to read files from it about 15 years ago < 1232990526 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't be much help. I only read it, never tried to manipulate it < 1232990529 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232990705 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a start, so if you dig it up that would be nice :) < 1232990708 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes puppy eyes
< 1232990724 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the write code is fine, but I can't test it until I can read :P < 1232991174 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232991240 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Changing server..." < 1232991399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232994061 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1232994783 0 :decipher_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :decipher < 1232994799 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232994891 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232995224 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"hejdå" < 1232995384 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232996459 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232998063 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1232998074 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-093-150.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1232998419 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Brb" < 1232998632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1232998850 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1232998897 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1232999510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1232999615 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1232999721 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[>+++[>>+>++>+++>+++>++>+++<<[++++<]<-]<-]>>>---.>>----.>+++..+++.>>-.<++.<<<---.>>.+++.------.<-.>>+. < 1232999721 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1232999746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple-nested loops in a BF hello world? < 1232999748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that often < 1232999803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a <=50 character hello world < 1232999821 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, shame it's 107 instructions and not <106 < 1232999836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shave off an instruction < 1232999836 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: go ahead :-) < 1232999837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly < 1232999846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[>+++[>>+>++>+++>+++>++>+++<<[++++<]<-]<-]>>>---.>>----.>+++..+++.>>-.<++.<<<---.>.+++.------.<-.>>+. < 1232999846 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, WehbVp < 1232999849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1232999856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see < 1232999862 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: okay, show me how :-P < 1232999870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno :-D < 1232999888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it isn't even a correct program right now < 1232999891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the w should be lowercase < 1232999894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do newlines? < 1232999898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[>+++[>>+>++>+++>+++>++>+++<<[++++<]<-]<-]>>>---.>>----.>+++..+++.>>-.<++.<<<---.>>.+++.------.<-.>>+ < 1232999898 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World < 1232999902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1232999913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are all sorts of debates about the exact spelling and punctuation of hello world < 1232999928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!\n is the most common for human-written ones as far as I can se < 1232999929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1232999931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for BF at least < 1232999943 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@to196-045.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1232999956 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1232999985 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen "Hello, World!", "Hello World!\n" and "Hello, world!" < 1232999988 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_ < 1233000002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without newline is just a bug < 1233000011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it will fail on any correct console interpreter < 1233000016 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on "Hello, World!" because that's the example someone showed me < 1233000024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1233000028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for Hello, world!\n < 1233000032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a change of case and one new char < 1233000046 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey goys < 1233000088 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI Psygnisfive_ < 1233000140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would go with Greetings, personified globular iron construct orbiting sol!\r < 1233000153 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, you new, ey? < 1233000157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1233000160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been here days < 1233000166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few days, though < 1233000167 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes hes new :p < 1233000210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive_: you're new too :p < 1233000215 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that new! < 1233000221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-05-16 < 1233000256 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233000262 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats AGES longer! :o < 1233000272 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, im pretty sure i was actually first here in like < 1233000275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233000276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't < 1233000278 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233000281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grepped for both augur and psygnisfive < 1233000291 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1233000292 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233000294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233000325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record: I first joined 2006-12-29, left like 20 seconds after, next joined (and spoke and stuff) 2007-05-14 < 1233000330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuck here since. < 1233000371 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my oldest #esoteric logs are from 28 May 08 < 1233000386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you were here as a ghost. < 1233000388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your nick < 1233000402 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233000408 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, thats after your first reported sighting of me :P < 1233000416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right < 1233000421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive_: yes < 1233000422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your first join as augur < 1233000427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1233000427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233000430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you first joined as augur < 1233000431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the 16th < 1233000436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then on the 27th as psygnisfive < 1233000439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.05.27:07:36:40 --- nick: augur -> psygnisfive < 1233000446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[time zones] < 1233000518 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my earliest colloquy log is from 20 May < 1233000535 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so from the 16th to the 19th i was using mibbit for irc i guess < 1233000547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, remember faxasthisia? he was cool < 1233000556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I remember < 1233000565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he fall off the face of the earth? < 1233000566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not what they were like < 1233000589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the nick, and that there was something worth remembering about it, but i don't remember what it was. < 1233000605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait is it just that he *may have been* the guy who knew j. < 1233000626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233000627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he liked j < 1233000634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooooooooool < 1233000666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was last here 38 weeks ago < 1233000669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP faxathisia < 1233000677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here = freenode < 1233000710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone has a text file of ridiculous faxathisia quotes. < 1233000712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ross.fappett.com/misc/fax.txt < 1233000716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never acted like that in here :P < 1233000885 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233001072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google provse it. < 1233001076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faxathisia is dead. RIP. < 1233001169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol some of those were pretty funny < 1233001198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAXATHISIA IF YOU BE READING THIS COME BACK K < 1233001234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fax.twilightcoders.net/ Site of a dead man < 1233001245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233001358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal binary < 1233001363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fax.twilightcoders.net/AquaBreakout/ Cute < 1233001380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a polyglot binary that ran on lots of different OSs and architectures could be interesting < 1233001387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably impossible due to the way ELF headers work < 1233001389 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i shall start working on an actual interpreter for my language. :T < 1233002202 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233002297 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive_: new here, not new to esoteric languages :-) < 1233002305 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233002311 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is, when they come here < 1233002320 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive known about esolangs for like 10 yeas < 1233002394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1233002399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of doubt that < 1233002424 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not ten but about. < 1233002438 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, its not like i marked it in my calendar, you know, but < 1233002466 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could easily have been 10 years. < 1233002479 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i first discovered esolangs in yahoo's directories < 1233002500 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was before wikipedia was what it is now, obviously < 1233002522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia started in 2001. < 1233002531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your lies are revealed! < 1233002536 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i didnt know about it until like .. 2002? < 1233002542 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like i said, before wikipedia. < 1233002548 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 years ago was 1999 :p < 1233002552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not what you asid < 1233002558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said before wikipedia was what it was now < 1233002560 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233002564 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it is now is.. < 1233002566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably learned about wp in like 2007 < 1233002567 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :existant :) < 1233002568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus implying the existance of wikipedia < 1233002572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time < 1233002578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you would have just said, before wikipedia < 1233002581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo, not 10 years < 1233002582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1233002596 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually thought wikipedia started in the late 90s < 1233002598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered esolangs via the 99bob website < 1233002600 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was probably thinking of google < 1233002605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolangs.org via Wikipedia via google < 1233002617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #esoteric via esolangs.org < 1233002633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure "before wp was what it is now" meant wikipedia didn't exist, with the additional "don't make smart-ass comments about it somehow technically existing in some form" < 1233002640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I thought you could do without google. < 1233002648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can nowadays, mostly < 1233002658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was back before I was very internet-savvy < 1233002664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know about IRC or Usenet back then < 1233002666 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in a way it could! < 1233002674 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since wiki's have been around since 1994 < 1233002676 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233002686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure could, sure could < 1233002690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, 1992 wasn't it < 1233002692 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned about #esoteric from slereah < 1233002696 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started playing with esolangs in 1993. < 1233002696 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Redcode counts :-) < 1233002698 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1233002701 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WikiWikiWeb 1994 < 1233002704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode counts, impomatic < 1233002705 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about earlier < 1233002708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when did you start then < 1233002709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode's more an interesting variant of asm < 1233002712 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the first site called a wiki < 1233002726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asm would be an esolang if it wasn't so widespread < 1233002760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this only proves that your definition of esolangs is needlessly vague and wide-spanning, ais523 < 1233002765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1233002781 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is the counterbalance to me < 1233002798 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my definition is needlessly specific and narrow-spanning < 1233002844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NARROW NARROW NARROW IT DOWN, GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM < 1233002919 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1991 if Redcode counts < 1233002961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i wasn't even alive in 91 :\ < 1233002965 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My modem is apparently not connected? < 1233002968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nor I :-D < 1233002970 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to connect now < 1233002971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i hear you < 1233002986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The 4chanmaker!; i) YOUNGUNS < 1233002988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The 4chanmaker!; i) YOUNG UNS < 1233002997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :young guns? < 1233003003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i added the space < 1233003003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much worse than eurocreme... < 1233003025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where's my notebook < 1233003034 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're making me feel old! < 1233003070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE OLD. :-| < 1233003081 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1233003133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-------| < 1233003138 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1233003184 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm eurocreme < 1233003184 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like.. a, f, h, and i all at once :o < 1233003274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1233003278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we need to know, psygnisfive_ < 1233003378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to ask "what are those", but i guess ehird is right < 1233003389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:50 ehird has set topic: a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) Felching – The 4chanmaker!; i) YOUNG UNS < 1233003404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's time for a new topic < 1233003409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233003411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this one < 1233003416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does GregorR, since he's added to it. < 1233003422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i didn't even originate it, you did < 1233003424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1233003428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first three items are yours < 1233003429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just got out of control < 1233003433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1233003436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that long < 1233003438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233003443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove up to the end of the wiki link, I guess < 1233003449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1233003512 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233003538 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"hejdå" < 1233003728 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233003778 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233003898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could reduce it. < 1233003930 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, but you shouldn't have removed imne :( < 1233003942 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mine < 1233004110 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-42.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233004262 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233004277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1233004282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233004338 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here got a programming blog? < 1233004368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't blog < 1233004368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a plog? < 1233004391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog? < 1233004413 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233004431 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlog < 1233004439 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1233004514 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our plog is the esowiki < 1233004591 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: where? :-) < 1233004972 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://judofyr.net < 1233004976 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly Ruby, though < 1233005173 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoruby < 1233005213 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1233005268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: about that tail-call optimisation < 1233005275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't Ruby have that tail-recursion operator from Perl? < 1233005278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto &procedure; < 1233005292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of my favourites! < 1233005300 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233005328 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope :/ < 1233006012 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233006075 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233006176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Judofyr < 1233006184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blogs, but doesn't atm. :-P
< 1233006239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't blog, because i dislike the term :< < 1233006244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would otherwise. < 1233006251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it a web log < 1233006256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a 'log < 1233006256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233006264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okolog < 1233006270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :og < 1233006337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233006339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it an og < 1233006345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ög < 1233006348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bookmarks http://vjn.fi/oklopol/og/ pre-emptively
< 1233006352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1233006377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i could og my reading diary....... that would pretty much sum up my life. < 1233006386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oko towers. < 1233006387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, publish thems.rtf. < 1233006406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would totally pay you to maintain an html page with date-attached oko towers and reading log entries. < 1233006413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like. the oko shrine < 1233006420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ogo shrine hur hur < 1233006431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233006442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, maybe it could be an og about oko. < 1233006457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek jib down the oko aspects of my life. < 1233006492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, exactly < 1233006494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1233006520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-01-26
Today I made an oko so big it crashed the IRC server.

< 1233006529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thrilling < 1233006542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sneaks in a few / there
< 1233006549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashing Freenode with an oko would be impressive < 1233006555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would effectively have to be a DDOS oko < 1233006568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, permanent kline ;P < 1233006571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you should stop provoking me to give you the full rant on why XHTML lovers are idiots. < 1233006602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that common maxim that you keep quoting, I suspect is dangerous < 1233006609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, simple: If I loved html you would love xhtml instead ;P < 1233006627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone's being liberal in what they accept, then people with an agenda can be liberal in what they produce < 1233006640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fun fact: I have had opinions before I unfortunately met you. < 1233006647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in XHTML, it's the people who don't know what they're doing that look like idiots < 1233006649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Postel's Law isn't the whole argument by far. < 1233006659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, agreed < 1233006660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people with an agenda being liberal in what they produce... < 1233006663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will change what, exactly? < 1233006737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will change the standard < 1233006745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as other people will have to conform to their liberal productions < 1233006751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than other people's liberal prodcutions < 1233006753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*productions < 1233006779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You misunderstand Postel's Law, but I'm not having this conversation atm. < 1233006881 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233006953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people with an agenda? < 1233006962 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gays < 1233006967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you translate that, i do not understand natural language. < 1233006983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ohh. that i grok < 1233007353 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://impomatic.blogspot.com" < 1233007376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclopedia:An_Appeal_From_Uncyclopedia_Mother%2C_Codeine%27s_Mum < 1233007447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's %2C? < 1233007452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%27 is apostrophe, IIRC < 1233007461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1233007769 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go to uncyclopedia, ehird < 1233007772 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is terrible < 1233007773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't. < 1233007786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idiot m p darke linked to it. But I found the linked article, linked to in the header of the linked article, funny. < 1233007792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that sufficiently confusing < 1233007803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the only times I went to Uncyclopedia was because someone had copied one of their articles over to Wikipedia < 1233007822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people kept removing deletion tags from it < 1233007837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I marked it copyvio < 1233007841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it was < 1233007851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for incompatible licences < 1233009587 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233009806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Paul Graham (born 1964) is a programmer, venture capitalist, and essayist, known for his work on Lisp." < 1233009819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why is he so terrible < 1233009839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc he is essentially a lisp fundamentalist < 1233009864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233009866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just an idiot < 1233009867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i haven't paid that much attention to him < 1233009946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i _might_ claim that follows as a consequence, if he is a fundamentalist < 1233009972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"godnatt" < 1233010026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fundamentalist/fanatic/ if the first word doesn't actually fit < 1233010174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is singularity < 1233010176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is origin < 1233010204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP HAS SEXUAL PEE < 1233010205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/224/ < 1233010217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obligatory link) < 1233010236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old < 1233010239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obligatory line) < 1233010277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, obligatory joke) < 1233010775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1233011615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFF bottles of beer on the wall < 1233011617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFF bottles of beer < 1233011619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take one down, two's complement it < 1233011621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error segfault < 1233011656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1233011675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is 0 a segfault? < 1233011690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a size problem? < 1233011725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do we reverse entropy? < 1233011738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last one thrown in just in case) < 1233011757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "two's complement" is not a verb ... < 1233011773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it verbs just fine < 1233011794 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what does it mean? There's no action that's "two's complement"ing a ... number? Stream of bits? < 1233011921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it whats a meaning of calculating the two's complement. stop complainingly mindlessing. < 1233011970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in-placing it, too < 1233012251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I don't care, it amuses me. < 1233012259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's from the 2007 logs, said by me) < 1233012409 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233013449 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233014258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i think you just lack a skill in an english. < 1233014284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i sentiment exactly < 1233014310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should probably book a read < 1233014332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, since finnish doesn't have articles, would those be reasonable mistakes for a finn to make? < 1233014334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages are awesome < 1233014427 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Brb IRL" < 1233014432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: finns tend to drop articles, and occasionally swap a/an. i don't think "an english" could ever happen. < 1233014443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english maybe < 1233014480 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233014485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc there's no such thing as a reasonable mistake < 1233014639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a graphical programming language :| < 1233014651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only based on graphs, but also, like, graphical. < 1233014655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a 6 line concatenative program < 1233014660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-concatenative version? 20 fucking lines. < 1233014662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah. < 1233014671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 25 actually. < 1233014683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the program < 1233014730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't technically a program as much as a program fragment I cooked up when thinking about concatenative langs for a game engine scripting language < 1233014735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so you have a non-concatenative fucking programming language where the programs consist of fucking lines? < 1233014737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233014738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class: name age ; < 1233014739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: make-person make 'age set! 'name set! ; < 1233014741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: speak [ 'name get ] dip "%s says: %s\n" printf ; < 1233014743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class: : evilness ; < 1233014745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: make-npc make-person downcast 'evilness set! ; < 1233014747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: verily,. < 1233015137 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-070-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233015419 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233016347 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233016560 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233022818 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1233022826 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i HATE not being able to read full text of paper < 1233022828 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn < 1233023246 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233024139 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233024340 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-118-112-97.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233024390 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1233025984 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an idea < 1233026017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy wallabies! < 1233026096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the genius of his idea has left bsmntbombdood speechless
< 1233026131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _good_ idea < 1233026179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against wallabies, you animal fiend < 1233026264 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Thompson visited our lab at QMC while I was developing it and said something like: "yeah, I've seen editors like that, but I don't feel a need for them, I don't want to see the state of the file when I'm editing". < 1233026275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when discussing em vs ed < 1233026467 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233028128 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233032951 0 :sazl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032951 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032951 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032954 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032961 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032967 0 :mtve!n=nnmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032980 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032981 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033004 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033004 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033023 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033107 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033130 0 :sazl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033131 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033131 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033146 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033149 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033152 0 :lamente!n=lament@24.87.24.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033179 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033179 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033185 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033187 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033207 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033208 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033217 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033218 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033228 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033234 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@67.228.37.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233033245 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97.118.112.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033261 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033261 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033262 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033262 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033263 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033264 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033269 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@65.93.110.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033269 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033272 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033276 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033283 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033306 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033306 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033308 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033308 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033361 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033364 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033379 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033389 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033452 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033472 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033510 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033540 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033567 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033852 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033857 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033874 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033882 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034270 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034270 0 :clog!i=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034271 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034271 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034281 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034281 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034283 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034299 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034316 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034365 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034383 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034385 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-112-97.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034400 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034448 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034639 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034642 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034663 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034664 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034675 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034698 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034878 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@121-73-166-241.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034912 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034936 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034959 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034977 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034998 0 :decipher!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035051 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035073 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035134 0 :lamente!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035157 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035569 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233039765 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233040820 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233043199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233043200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233045971 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233046792 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233047257 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233047300 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233047922 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233047935 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233053966 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-070-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233056856 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-47-222.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233057712 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233058010 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233063981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no "not implemented" category/list on the wiki? < 1233064181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just the set subtraction of the language list and the Implemented category? (What, MediaWiki doesn't do set operations?) < 1233064211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233064214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not in the UI, at least.) < 1233064217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: there are 192 articles in the "Languages" category, but 200 articles in the "Implemented" category. That probably means there are -8 unimplemented languages. < 1233064266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately you'll find that the 192 refers only to the number it's showing on that page, which is less than 200 due to the subcategories. < 1233064274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was the silly. < 1233064276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed. < 1233064298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand evidently subcategories aren't shown on just one page either. < 1233064300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Unimplemented < 1233064306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for UI. < 1233064307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to be sorted. < 1233064414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Καλλίστῃ is apparently written with a kappa instead of a 'k', since it's at the end of the list there. < 1233064445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for byte value-based sorting. < 1233064574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... 71 in Unimplemented, 200+62=262 in Implemented, 192+179+11=382 in Languages; this time I counted them right. 49 languages are neither implemented, nor unimplemented; probably some sort of superposition of both. < 1233064611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving some of the Unimplemented to Unimplementable might be in order < 1233064630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the already mentioned Καλλίστῃ. < 1233067467 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233067906 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233069795 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233069843 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$base(111011010,2,10) < 1233069853 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... forgot //echo -a < 1233070007 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and missed a 0 < 1233070019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233070675 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233071074 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233071836 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-138-6.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1233072484 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233072487 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072833 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-16-236.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072905 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-71.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233073874 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233076072 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076376 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076473 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233076500 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Whoosh!" < 1233078635 0 :Metcalf!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233078734 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1233078958 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :impomatic < 1233078965 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080261 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for mainstream languages that are rarely used / hear of? E.g. Oberon < 1233080666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dead < 1233080667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233080861 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust528.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080863 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080118233717AASGNps < 1233080886 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@f-115.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080907 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ehird, and thanks MizardX < 1233080922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, yahoo answers < 1233080934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I saw a reddit submission of yours earlier today :-) < 1233080939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recognized the name < 1233081059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what's a reverse call? I'm not sure I understand < 1233081071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is #2-return, ++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.-<++++..+++.>>--.+<<<.----->.---<[.>] < 1233090183 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-176.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233092463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: no output? < 1233092912 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, is the bot broken? < 1233092920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1233092930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!I am alive < 1233092934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: er, three is no bot < 1233092935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1233092936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot isn't online < 1233092938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233092940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1233092953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot's down < 1233092956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just some context :P) < 1233092957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just to freak you out I'm going to test the results of using tcmalloc from http://code.google.com/p/google-perftools/ with cfunge ;P < 1233092969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1233093029 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad k < 1233093039 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window! < 1233093167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the result will be.... Also this may take a while: building instructions for x86_64 linux is kind of complex due to glibc unwinder may call malloc on x86_64 causing a deadlock. So I need to install a snapshot version of libunwind first amongst other things < 1233093277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the firefox/freebsd malloc? jemalloc < 1233093320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems harder to get going as non-freebsd malloc < 1233093333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought speed is what mattered. :p < 1233093340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it seems optimised to keep memory fragmentation low, rather than ultimate speed < 1233093347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1233093358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write yer own damn malloc. :p < 1233093360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good speed yes, and good multi-cpu performance < 1233093371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not good against fragmentation < 1233093374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233093377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good against speed < 1233093381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on single cpu < 1233093394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have multi-core, nor does cfunge use more than one thread < 1233093427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I'd rather not do that < 1233093433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single-core systems. Weird shit. < 1233093439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you keep a dinosaur next to it? :P < 1233093444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather a quite good system from 2005 < 1233093449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have that much money < 1233093455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can go buy new every year < 1233093468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just that multi core is really really useful. < 1233093469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use this until it is really no longer usable and/or breaks < 1233093479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you pay for it? < 1233093484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can have a cpu thrashing away at a problem and still run smoothly < 1233093492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hm? Well, yeah, multi core systems cost. < 1233093493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1233093508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like an OS without multiprocessing to me :-) < 1233093529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah you pay for it then? Great thanks. Just send me your credit card number and the code :D < 1233093537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O crap < 1233093561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um I don't have a credit card :P < 1233093569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I will send it on to a friend from Nigeria who is looking for a UK account for some millions. < 1233093569 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has an 8 cpu mini-computer :-P
< 1233093574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1233093575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1233093585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: heh < 1233093590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, hm? What sort? < 1233093608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC read failed." Seems that freenode had some issues at some point. < 1233093612 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it's from something like 1990, so not very impressive. < 1233093642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yes during the night, doesn't it auto reconnect? < 1233093650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't you run it under a supervisor < 1233093657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, daemontools < 1233093660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from djb < 1233093661 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 19" MVME boards, with a "Cray" logo on the front < 1233093661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233093668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, CRAY!!!!!!!! < 1233093669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233093676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, picture? < 1233093681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to do that, it sounds far too serious. < 1233093684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, also what is 19" in metric? < 1233093691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot itself just @s if the read fails. < 1233093696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah you got a point fizzie < 1233093711 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233093722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, we all know esoteric languages is serious business! < 1233093726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233093727 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233093733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1233093734 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1233093736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: does it run an infinite loop in 6 seconds? < 1233093737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1233093738 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does mr bentham deny this? if he had fallen in a common vehicle. they were dominant at oxford, powerful in the inns of court, not in those known and responsible counsellors to whom he early attached himself, and then proceed to another. < 1233093755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate fungot for president 2012 < 1233093758 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the effect of the victory. in 1824 the free men who seek to better their conditions, but also the most faultless, that the ablest men have been chosen as deputies of the nobility, what was never forgotten by anyone else who ever read it, as will give a single instance from our existing laws, some alterations are thought to be of any weight, who refuses to adopt the tariff, we think his explanation fnord at least, behindh < 1233093770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noble speech. < 1233093777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bentham? isn't he the person who wanted to be preserved or whatever? < 1233093787 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1233093800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19" is a standardish rack size, around half a metre. < 1233093805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233093857 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 47cm, haven't got a photo - looks like a washing machine without the door. Never tried the infinite loop! < 1233093894 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lovecraft a esolang? That'd be cool :-) < 1233093915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, ^style controls fungot's babble < 1233093916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: after the adjournment of congress, i could easily account for the obscurity of the african. the fnord sings, the spinning-wheel turns round, the wedding-day is fixed, not by the shortest fnord abate the nuisance, they pull down the house. < 1233093917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233093918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches* ss wp < 1233093921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1233093921 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1233093924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Be heretical! < 1233093925 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:/ cumbre, includes all/ chief races have not descended by independent lines from/ rock-pigeon. this reflection :)/ moon " as indexed by/ tides, unaided by a heavy fall :) snow on rocks. < 1233093930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the :) and / bug < 1233093937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still the famous Darwin smiley issue, yes. < 1233093955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin was a happy man. < 1233094052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cumbre, includes all the chief races have not descended by independent lines from the rock-pigeon. this reflection of the moon as indexed by the tides, unaided by a heavy fall of snow on rocks." in fixed format. < 1233094085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is comforting to know we have not all descended from the rock-pigeon. < 1233094156 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.-<++++..+++.>>--.+<<<.----->.---<[.>] < 1233094157 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233094169 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 characters :P < 1233094185 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one in 84 now! < 1233094380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh? < 1233094380 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233094426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to prove a specific bf program is the shortest possible encoding of a specific string in bf? < 1233094459 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by exhaustively searching all shorter programs :D < 1233094469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no short cut? < 1233094480 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233094501 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.<++++..+++.>>--.++<<<.---->.--<[-.>] < 1233094502 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233094507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could exclude any program without output, and all programs with input would be uninteresting < 1233094517 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233094520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be, but I think there's a reason optimization is hard in general < 1233094593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233094782 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're also talking about bf in #corewars on irc.koth.org < 1233094830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell them to come here :-P < 1233094838 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, corewars < 1233094838 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a 116-char bf hello world as a test case for my thue interpreters < 1233094903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to work out impomatic's name in #corewars
< 1233094952 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be just "impomatic"? < 1233094966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no impomatic in there. < 1233094979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody's talking. < 1233094987 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OoS < 1233095000 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fish with a reddish hue, that's what it is < 1233095027 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OoS. I already mentioned #esoteric < 1233095189 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was busy before you arrived http://www.koth.org/irc-logs/2009-01-27.txt < 1233095201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kill everything I touch. < 1233095210 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a bit shy around strangers ;-) < 1233095259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233095263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: if you can get BF hello world in a standard 80-char line I'll be amazed < 1233095277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, result: At least this build of tcmalloc is slower than glibc malloc for cfunge < 1233095285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1233095291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE NO STRANGERS TO LOOOOOOOVE < 1233095303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu around 0.020 seconds < 1233095313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested over 50 runs each < 1233095358 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't think I can knock off the last 4 instructions < 1233095360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the heap profiler should be interesting :) < 1233095364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: aw < 1233095367 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@71-35-117-8.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233095376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233095377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[.>] < 1233095380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a pretty shoddy way to do it :P < 1233095405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it possible to prove a specific bf program is the shortest possible encoding of a specific string in bf? <<< if you're asking in general, you can't be serious < 1233095417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, he is < 1233095431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think AnMaster has ever fully grasped the halting problem, he says things like that all the time < 1233095433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm only asking for "hello world!" < 1233095434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233095445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspected it would run into the halting problem yes < 1233095446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls eyes
< 1233095449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't sure < 1233095457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1233095471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dances a wild dance of oko
< 1233095686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:15] http://golf.shinh.org/ < 1233095690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another anagolf player! < 1233095713 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :453339721324993013548175354624816937305067727045881380840502707195746854576 possible bf-programs of length 85 :) ... that's 75 digits! < 1233095737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is "gv"? < 1233095749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "could not find gv" as a cryptic error < 1233095758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yikes < 1233095765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about length 80 < 1233095799 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15114869455135780537081431784864382700651060085404149964957776780638292 of length 80, 71 digits < 1233095821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a genetic search work at all for this? Probably not < 1233095831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233095832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, what about excluding input? < 1233095836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't relevant for this < 1233095837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're really attentative. < 1233095840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot did that. < 1233095844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic's beaten it by far. < 1233095849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233095852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... 80 digits in octal = 71 digits in base 10? that's quite an observation :P < 1233095860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :P < 1233095868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, :D < 1233095912 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :284508415089842693556340016101767865172552487769291117597604246945 of length 80, without input, 66 digits < 1233095919 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233095925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, does this include invalid programs like ]]]] < 1233095930 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233095937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't? < 1233095941 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :balanced [ ] < 1233095943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right, you're not an idiot < 1233095947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1233095959 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither ] [ < 1233095977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, how long would an exhaustive search take? :D < 1233095985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume a modern desktop computer < 1233095995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an optimised bf implementation < 1233096011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that each program will be terminated after, say, 10 seconds at most < 1233096022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no way to know if it will halt at all < 1233096052 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.0157127687693897e+53 years given 1ms execution time per parogram < 1233096055 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program* < 1233096060 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just need to know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin%27s_constant to get an estimate! < 1233096130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster treats huge brute forcing like I did a year ago. < 1233096142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also median running time of all halting problems < 1233096158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you mean all awe about combinatorial explosion? < 1233096177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecturer showed today a loop that started 10 threads < 1233096191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=0;i<10;i++)pid[i]=fork(); < 1233096196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just continually asking if halting problem-related things can be solved, and asking how long huge brute forcing will take as if it's even worthy of consideration < 1233096237 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... sounds a long time < 1233096243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, and assuming IBM RoadRunner or whatever the current fastest super computer is? < 1233096251 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires 12 . only two of which are next to each other < 1233096257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case < 1233096264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was joking... < 1233096267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for someone to lol @ lecturer :<
< 1233096269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that I forgot ~ < 1233096282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was "joking" too in 2007 < 1233096287 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 1st . doesn't output a 'h' it can terminate < 1233096287 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget that, . could be in a loop :-/ < 1233096314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so? You have been here way longer than I have < 1233096330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being in #esoteric is not the be-all end-all of computational knowledge. < 1233096340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fully agreed < 1233096355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gv is some "view *.ps" thing < 1233096357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233096449 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invents Brainfrak, where the square brackets have chamfered edges.
< 1233096483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto: halting problem solver which, when given P, outputs "go to hell" and terminates the program. < 1233096533 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghostview? < 1233096641 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1233096643 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: " 651? 1. this paragraph was published in/ :( notices" just alluded to. in/ tenth chapter it was shown that no ascertained limit to/ amount :) structural difference between/ inhabitants :)/ radack archipelago, a length :) time. < 1233096645 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1233097243 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233097413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, yep < 1233097438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1233097439 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1233097446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: night < 1233097485 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anarchy golf use 0 for EOF? < 1233097511 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the fungot chat style thing select random lines? < 1233097512 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: on mac osx maybe? maybe switch on both?) ( else ( occurn ( cdr markers) ( cdr list) value) < 1233097521 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1233097548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yes < 1233097549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1233097632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: markov chain of words < 1233097659 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233097669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the style files are preprocessed < 1233097786 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Heh. Right after your program has printed out "hell" in "hello world!", exactly 666 operations has been executed. :P < 1233097852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233097862 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, I wish I'd planned that! < 1233097878 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the 84 instruction version? < 1233097886 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 < 1233097971 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also counted [, ] as single operations. Loop length is (1 + inner_ops)*num_cycles + 1 < 1233097992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf is "gv"? < 1233097998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghostview iirc < 1233098009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, already found out < 1233098014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233098040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe you shouldn't do like me, and instead read the whole scrollback first < 1233098045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233098047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1233098056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i would forget that there was something to answer :D < 1233098057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READING THE BACKLOG IS FOR THE WEAK < 1233098223 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233098567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well what do you do in order to make sure you haven't missed any of the fun then? < 1233098590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you mum?) < 1233098600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1233098643 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233098692 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233099740 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233099747 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1233099764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm anarchy gold is actually *alive*? < 1233099836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233099837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*golf < 1233099853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, to a degree < 1233099857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never been particularly active, but people play it < 1233099859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #golf < 1233099872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233099874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#anagolf < 1233099876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf < 1233099883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol for making him google a nonexisting term -----###
< 1233099887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1233099887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1233099889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the chan is called < 1233099894 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}o/ < 1233099895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1233099896 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With \ < 1233099935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't google a term with "gold" in it. < 1233099976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you want to hoard it all yourself? < 1233100018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?99+shinichiroes+of+hamaji <<< so umm 14 characters of ruby? < 1233100062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1233100064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1233100075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a sneaky cheat < 1233100077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_,$x=split"!",<>;$x=reverse$x;s//\$i++;/g;s/-/\$a[\$i]--;/g;s/\+/\$a[\$i]++;/g;s/./print chr\$a[\$i];/g;s/,/\$a[\$i]=chop\$x;/g;s/\[/while(\$a[\$i]){/g;s/\]/};/g;eval$_ < 1233100080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why this doesn't work. < 1233100108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seems like kinda hard to cheat in a program that just prints a fuckload of text. < 1233100116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233100117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1233100141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, would be interesting if it was his submit, and shinichiroes of hamaji wasn't actually anything sensible, but just something that he could easily print. < 1233100189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy's hame is "shinh" < 1233100193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick, at least < 1233100198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> shinichiro hamaji < 1233100203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably the owner's submission < 1233100208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233100271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Print+out+a+lot+_56K+BEWARE_ < 1233100274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my challenge ^.^ < 1233100298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably shoulda chosen less determinatistic output < 1233100308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-99999 is pretty easy < 1233100459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233100460 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: homo sapiens hei_e__er_ensis ' !hangman lcase-guess' to guess a letter!! fnord::: 0xff sponsor gift < 1233100474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233100474 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233100488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heidelbergensis < 1233100580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's apparently consider an own species, not a subspecies of sapiens < 1233100632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise would probably be like Jn" .1e9 < 1233100638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i put in 1e9 < 1233100680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer not having numbers at all (you know, for purity), but wouldn't be very golfy. < 1233100729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: thought of a new fun unimplementable feature for cise < 1233100729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: #anagol < 1233100737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of parse trees < 1233100743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about if there's ambiguity < 1233100753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can specify an assert < 1233100769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ass < 1233100785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh i tried it right after #anagolf. < 1233100795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD lol < 1233100814 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does the fungot bf interpreter terminate? E.g. if I put it in an infinite loop printing something? < 1233100815 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you could ask him to move two seats from mine. it's just werid that it never returned in the first place < 1233100840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: iirc it's pretty robust < 1233100844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: after $lot instructions? < 1233100848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+] < 1233100856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.>+] < 1233100856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :














































































































































































































... < 1233100859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233100862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not meant to break. < 1233100866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1233100878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: fungot is written in befunge < 1233100879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: basically lots of spaces there.) < 1233100880 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't it replace chars <31 with dots? < 1233100881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well i think it also stops after a number of characters < 1233100888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1233100889 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: or is it new zealand... do you do if you keep using the module system command processor chapters. < 1233100950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not all of them, just LF and CR iirc, it was changed so it could do emotes and stuff < 1233100957 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233100967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1233100968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ... < 1233100977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 CTCP-query unknown( ..) from fungot < 1233100978 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. < 1233100978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1233100982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah < 1233100984 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:02:47] Channel CTCP  .. request from fungot [n=fungot@momus.zem.fi] ( .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...), ignored (unrecognized) < 1233100985 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233100995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but the channel censors some others < 1233101008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233101009 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so...if i were to use cps to do any key input without actually matching the keycodes < 1233101011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233101018 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1233101035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233101064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the interpreter stops after aaaaaa***** instructions. ("Instructions" here means bytecode instructions, so +++++ counts as a single instruction.) < 1233101090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it also terminates after 88+:* output characters.) < 1233101107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People can't read befunge numbers, fizzie :P < 1233101113 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16*16? < 1233101118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 10^6 and 256, then. < 1233101165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure we can, with a little thought. < 1233101216 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 'a'? < 1233101224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10. < 1233101228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-f push 10-16. < 1233101229 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233101236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-15 < 1233101238 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didnẗ know there were a hex addition < 1233101253 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just knew of 0-9 < 1233101257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comes in Funge-98; doesn't exist in Befunge-93. < 1233101281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've seen at least one "mostly Befunge-93" interpreter that did a-f (and the single-shot string-mode ') as an extension. < 1233101345 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> #" 91+6*:,2+,84*:,:3+,84*2+,>:#,_84*2+,@" is my most creative creation in Befunge so far < 1233101356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuz dat do < 1233101359 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine < 1233101369 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By parsing the stuff inside the string as code < 1233101377 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After pushing it to the mem as a string < 1233101383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm right < 1233101385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The string-mode feature makes it pretty well-suited for quines. < 1233101392 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, combined with # < 1233101415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is # a bouncal < 1233101426 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It jumps over the next command < 1233101429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1233101442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, but a different kind than i thought. < 1233101446 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I basicly jump over the " that enters string-mode < 1233101456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the great thing about inventing your own words < 1233101462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're wrong, no one will know < 1233101462 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underload interpreter termination condition is even more arbitrary, since it's ffaa***, so 225000. Not sure why. Since it counts Underload commands, it's easy to get a rather slow Underload program by just ":*"ing up two strings that are close to half of the stack size limit, then looping with (~:^):^. < 1233101504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a suparene observation < 1233101522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol i almost googled that. < 1233101534 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't contain "gold" at least < 1233101542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: better arbitrary than base 10 < 1233101572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay math time ---> < 1233102241 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233102316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, from 2003-01-something to 2008-10-31, 786499 lines were said here. < 1233102321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800k. Not really that many... < 1233102346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take 9 straight days to read the logs, assuming 1line/sec < 1233102365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably like nearing a month to read them all if you allocated a bit of your day to it < 1233102428 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is valuable < 1233102577 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzzzz" < 1233102612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is slightly startled by his watch
< 1233102629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1233102631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has day names in both english and german < 1233102645 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time flies like an arrow, FireFly's a banana < 1233102658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it's in english, but for a brief time each night it goes by the german one < 1233102666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so currently it reads "DIE" :D < 1233102689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, abbreviated to 3 letters) < 1233102719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: a burning banana? < 1233102731 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my watch is like that- < 1233102744 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has english and spanish, spanish is what's normally on < 1233102755 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is yours a citizen? < 1233102769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lorus, it says < 1233102853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a russian in canada, with his watch set to spanish? < 1233102865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente is a polyglot < 1233102875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente do you know toki pona or is that someone else < 1233102995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente < 1233103036 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233103045 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am that someone else < 1233103054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente how do you say "segmentation fault" in toki pona :P < 1233103067 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pakala" < 1233103073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...really? < 1233103075 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233103076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting "you can't". < 1233103083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does pakala literally mean? < 1233103094 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creator of toki pona was in #linguistics today, actually < 1233103107 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "Bugger up" < 1233103118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233103133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: I take it that applies to all error? < 1233103146 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233103149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1233103177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn toki pona. < 1233103180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be fun. < 1233103721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: So I take it technical discussion in toki pona is near-impossibl < 1233103722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1233103804 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1233103853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this is a feature < 1233103874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should design a toki pona programming language. The only error message is "pakala" < 1233103904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name alone tells us it's intended for pacific paradise islands without modern technology. < 1233103962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some paradise. < 1233103975 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pakala, tu ala, nasa jan! (note, I know none of the grammar, so I put them in a random vaguely english-like order) < 1233104219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: Doesn't toki pona kind of rely on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis being strongly true? < 1233104316 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strongly true, or maybe strongly false, something like that < 1233104390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: how strongly false? It's meant to change how you think. < 1233104407 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is it? < 1233104420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can become a sort of "yoga for the mind". Instead of getting caught in negative thoughts and anxiety, you learn to relax, meditate and explore your relationship to life itself. < 1233104426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Training your mind to think in Toki Pona can lead to many deeper insights about yourself or the world around you. < 1233104428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1233104430 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck? < 1233104441 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did sonja write that? < 1233104493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233104497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tokipona.org/intro.html < 1233104502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :section Wisdom and True Meaning < 1233104512 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrible < 1233104525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly bullshit < 1233104527 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then sonja is a profoundly fucked up individual < 1233104531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233104532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1233104551 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she wrote that, for one! < 1233104561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other...? < 1233104562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233104820 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233105466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: More bullshit: "medical benefits" http://www.tokipona.org/ponasijelo.html < 1233106146 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233106152 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233106171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[<+++++<+++<++<+<++[>]<-]<-<-<<<-<<+++++[>+++++<-]>[>+>[++++>][<]>-]>>.---.>..>.<<<.>>>>.<.+++.<.<-.<+. < 1233106172 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233106261 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233106318 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko! < 1233106351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106351 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means eye in toki pona < 1233106362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki pona! < 1233106402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means good language in toki pona < 1233106679 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo! < 1233106697 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ek, orl? < 1233106711 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means olrek in not backwards ese. < 1233106720 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my Translation-Creds have run out. < 1233106877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does kerlo mean in lojban? < 1233106882 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ear. < 1233106886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233106920 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a metaphor. Maybe. :-P < 1233106922 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233106927 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name means table < 1233106940 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Asztal's name. < 1233106956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lojban? < 1233106966 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian < 1233107785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres this language, armenian, written with a funky alphabet, and one joke about the written language is that it looks like hu muh umun unuuu mumuhu mukum unum utuh mumhumuhum < 1233107791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well.. it does, a lot. < 1233107812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've suggested in #isharia that someone make an eso conlang that looks like that when romanized < 1233107834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1233107854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is hmnu or some other similar stuff < 1233107873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233107881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we could make similar analogies here < 1233107889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an esolang that mocks lisp < 1233107900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything literally is ()))((())()))(()) < 1233107901 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'th not very nithe < 1233107913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that has been done < 1233107932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it? < 1233107940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brackets < 1233107947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not exactly the same < 1233107974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1233107980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close < 1233107984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much extra < 1233107988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>(()[Brackets])<()0)}())[)()0))(]])1) < 1233107988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <>>([)0)>[0]{(]()2)()))([)0))([])1)(]])2) < 1233107991 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that code < 1233108000 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do yo see that? that is way too comprehensible! :| < 1233108013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, i can practically read that! < 1233108032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be your linguist training < 1233108038 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233108153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there should be something closer but i don't know how to search for it < 1233109188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pong < 1233110210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233110966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :d < 1233110967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233111115 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1233114173 0 :Kinjet!n=Kinjet@ppp118-208-173-168.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233114197 0 :Kinjet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233114227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :historyofspam? < 1233114228 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233114240 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233117347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233120960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233124968 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago we were talking about fastly implementing brainfuck, specifically bounds checking on the tap < 1233125016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way is probably to just mmap 2 gb and put a gaurd page on either end < 1233125018 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're done < 1233125032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stupid reallocing or anything < 1233125046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1233125056 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck memory checking is O(1) for sufficiently large values of 1 < 1233125068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1233125503 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233125730 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1233125783 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233126026 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233127222 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233127368 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233127374 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233127988 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233128006 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128056 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128072 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233128115 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128127 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233128568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233128581 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128758 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233129599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233129600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233130176 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-178.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233131164 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a good parser generator/library for python? < 1233131211 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLY? < 1233131271 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec < 1233131467 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLY seems interesting... couldn't find Parsec >_> < 1233131642 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233132896 0 :NerdyChic!n=NerdOLic@c-24-18-138-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233132987 0 :NerdyChic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233133132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233133178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bsearch() is slower than a simple linear search with "stop if passed the value we searched for" in certain cases. < 1233133195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about a custom binary search instead
< 1233133267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes I did large tests and plotted the results) < 1233133360 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233133367 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233134638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for custom the difference is so small in this case that the mean of 500 runs varies less than 0.00001 between custom binary search and the linear search. Heh. < 1233135028 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233135336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1233135361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing the best way to search for fingerprint to load, and a linear search is faster than bsearch() for some reason. < 1233135369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233135375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A custom binary search is just about as fast as a linear search < 1233135469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea why? < 1233135483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're on a small array < 1233135498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary is only faster than linear if you have a lot of elements < 1233135501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 entries < 1233135505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233135510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple algorithms tend to be faster on small numbers of entries no matter what their computational class < 1233135518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1233135518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, lsearching 30 entries is trivial for a computer < 1233135531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsearching involves lots of complicated comparisons and looping and out-of-order memory accesses < 1233135536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the array stride is quite large < 1233135542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had 100000 fingerprints, the bsearch would probably be faster < 1233135572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array stride = 48 bytes < 1233135580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm searching an array of structs < 1233135586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the first field in the struct < 1233135607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1233135660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess maybe cache matters too? < 1233135677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, but that's unlikely to be the reason < 1233135688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233135689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233135716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the way Mike Riley is going, I guess bsearch will be faster soon ;) < 1233135818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233135853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, mycology doesn't test 3DSP right? < 1233135876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cfunge implements that one < 1233135888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if mycology doesn't test it, ccbi doesn't implement it < 1233135896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1233135911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does it? < 1233135926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_3dsp.d, yet I can't find it when grepping mycology < 1233135941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1233135970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is 3DSP? < 1233136007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3D space manipulation extension" is the official name, but actually it is FPSP-style matrix operatiosn < 1233136009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations* < 1233136013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vectors < 1233136023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1233136041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I'm slightly scared at all the "useful" operations that Befunge is accumulating... < 1233136041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot product or vector, matrix translation and so on < 1233136056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is mostly due to RC/Funge I'm afraid < 1233136060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half of them are insane < 1233136067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like malloc() stuff for funge and what not < 1233136097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them I'm never going to implement. < 1233136167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get xkcd today... < 1233136304 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I'm in first place on something :-) http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?google#Brainfuck < 1233136323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ah, I remember anagold < 1233136325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anagolf < 1233136331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play it a lot, but haven't checked in recently < 1233136371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf size = 114 < 1233136379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge size = 26 < 1233136381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233136396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Befunge has loads more commands and also string literals, it's easily going to win in a problem like that < 1233136401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233136411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash and awk = 25 < 1233136443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python = 25 too < 1233136443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is a special one, because it allows you to call out to external programs < 1233136449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl = 17 < 1233136450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas most of the others don't by default < 1233136458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it says "exec denied" < 1233136461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233136463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true for bash too? < 1233136465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash always has exec allowed, though < 1233136470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1233136470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what the global setting < 1233136473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure bash is fun < 1233136487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GolfScript == 14?! < 1233136601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GolfScript is an esolang specifically designed to give small programs < 1233136611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you get xkcd today? < 1233136616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it's beatable with a newly designed language, it beats everything else on anagolf's list hollow < 1233136620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't read xkcd < 1233136637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "Mind of Mencia" < 1233136677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... seems like a humor program according to wikipedia. Then xkcd make even less sense < 1233137289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unusually mad concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain < 1233137368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, that's very clever, but insane < 1233137375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1233137383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it might lead to the destruction of the surrounding countryside, or possibly the entire Earth, if the power supply failed < 1233137411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I think it would need enormous amount of energy... < 1233137416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1233137430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia thinks it wouldn't survive re-entry, though, so you would only have a minor disaster on your hands < 1233137478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I just received an email saying "door controllers not working" < 1233137484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was the internal doors this time for a change < 1233137502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also would transporting people in that work? I mean the G force would be rather huge wouldn't it? < 1233137516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you can't get in? < 1233137521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I am in < 1233137527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233137529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely convinced that I could get back out again < 1233137529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get out? < 1233137532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may try later today < 1233137533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1233137534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked yet < 1233137544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doors are generally quite good at opening from the inside, though < 1233137547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233137567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, space elevator though, that sounds quite sane nowdays < 1233137603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the fountain < 1233137608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're both insane, personally < 1233137627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, possibly < 1233137651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would someone have thought the space shuttle insane back in 1850? < 1233137663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again probably < 1233137671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, some people think the space shuttle insane even in 2009 < 1233137715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, from an environmental viewpoint the whole rocket launch concept is insane... < 1233137720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233137740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case a space elevator would actually be sane :D < 1233137745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe not, I reckon most rocket fuels could be derivable from renewable sources in theory < 1233137796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about emissions? < 1233137821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, CO2 would be removed from the atmosphere as the fuels were made < 1233137836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water vapour is unlikely to be much of a problem, it can cause global warming but most of it won't be at the right height < 1233137842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitrous oxides might be problematic < 1233137849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233137854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop < 1233137856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233137928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that one? < 1233137934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_ring < 1233137935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading it now < 1233138639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what do you think? < 1233138661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think that they're probably less insane than space elevators < 1233138668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, I'm not entirely sure they'll be relevant any time soon < 1233138674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't have high-volume space traffic yet < 1233138676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1233138691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is maybe because of the costs? < 1233138707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1233138726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think we need to solve the environment issues first instead < 1233146673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lunch" < 1233148582 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233148946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233149582 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233149586 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233151265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: learn APL. trust me: http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 < 1233151315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, se.? why? < 1233151322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the reddit link was se. < 1233151331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when did ais523 part < 1233151342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1233151344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:44:33 < 1233151344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour ago < 1233151345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233151347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lunch < 1233151352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1233151355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have scrollback < 1233151356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233151379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I was in #haskell overnight < 1233151392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when the bouncer spewed the backlog at me, it crashed my poor client because #haskell is really fucking active < 1233151398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, froze it up. < 1233151404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd have to open the logfile. < 1233151480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was testing the best way to search for fingerprint to load < 1233151487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it occur to you that that is not your bottleneck? < 1233151497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was watching that video... < 1233151501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is insane :D < 1233151519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also awesome. < 1233151524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1233151526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also how comes your client froze from it? < 1233151533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sounds like a poorly designed one < 1233151539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because #haskell is really damn active (it's hard to keep up with) < 1233151543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was offline for many hours < 1233151550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bouncer doesn't do delays < 1233151553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just shoots it < 1233151572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for example < 1233151573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also in #haskell, and ##linux, and #gentoo, all very active. And lots of other channels. When I reconnect the client is kind of slow for about 5 seconds or so < 1233151585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when left over night < 1233151586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell logs are 500KB on average < 1233151587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per day < 1233151594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and? I'm in there too < 1233151603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have been disconnected over night as well < 1233151607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the whole of 500KB, my client - written in Ruby, and using Cocoa... not the fastest combination - < 1233151613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets the line < 1233151613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1233151615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :processes it < 1233151617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts it in the log < 1233151620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my client is written in elisp < 1233151623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts it in the "view of everything else" < 1233151627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom of the sceen < 1233151629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the logging is done in bouncer < 1233151631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in client < 1233151632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat for ~500KB worth of lines < 1233151636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: umm, no shit < 1233151647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets the log from the server < 1233151649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts it in its log < 1233151718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is "Mind of Mencia" < 1233151745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carlos Mencia is a douchebag "comedian" that steals all his jokes and isn't funny in the slightest. At least, that's what the interwebs hivemind says. < 1233151766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233151912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok APL is really "wow", but the keyboard layout must be horrible < 1233151919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a keyboard layout, IIRC < 1233151919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a font < 1233151926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you type with a regular ascii keyboard and get APL instead < 1233151933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-key operators, I think < 1233151941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in modern ones < 1233151944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old ones had their own keyboard < 1233151953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also check out J and K, which are basically ascii apl < 1233151956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're less cool. < 1233151957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds rather irritating to type, I mean somewhat like { is AltGr-7 on Swedish keyboards < 1233151963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is irritating when coding in C < 1233151972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it balances out because you barely need to type. < 1233151979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe < 1233152004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dyalog.com/linux.htm Dyalog APL (used in that video) for Linux < 1233152008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no download linnk, though. < 1233152013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's non-free, of course. < 1233152017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux License Fees < 1233152020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Developer 32 bit incl. Support & Upgrades < 1233152025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annual license fee < 1233152026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£1050 < 1233152044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe APL is popular enough for that to actually be profitable :-P < 1233152128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very expensive < 1233152132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not a lot buy it < 1233152151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like those VHDL stuff, so few buy it that the per-unit price must be very very high < 1233152179 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:12:43] which is irritating when coding in C < 1233152183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.... that isn't correct... stuff is singular < 1233152185 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stuck in my hands < 1233152191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so replace "those" < 1233152194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, um? < 1233152205 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I press altgr+7 so often that I'm used t o it < 1233152207 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1233152221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well too, but it is still irritating < 1233152247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wonder if there is any open source APL implementation < 1233152256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. They probably suck too. < 1233152275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wonder what befunge-98 in APL would look like. Apart from that most people wouldn't be able to read it < 1233152276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. < 1233152277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1233152281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Concise. :p < 1233152287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, heck, fungespace would be trivial < 1233152287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233152298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but what about IO? < 1233152308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to read/write files < 1233152324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I think most APL implementations have system interface libraries < 1233152332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not meant to use them < 1233152336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1233152339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed world style? < 1233152351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most APL programmers don't make binaries. < 1233152363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. <-- maybe because they seem to be write-once languages? < 1233152366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily, as far as I can tell, they develop in the REPL and stuff, < 1233152370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's run from there < 1233152381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nah, I can read that stuff to a degree < 1233152384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a learning curve < 1233152396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, and a different paradigm < 1233152402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> learning curve < 1233152423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes the learning curve unusually steep < 1233152452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://nsl.com/papers/befunge93.htm Befunge-93 in K, with a GUI interface < 1233152464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very impressive. < 1233152465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GUI? < 1233152469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233152470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233152471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, you can watch the IP go around < 1233152472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edit there < 1233152478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also has a console interface. < 1233152484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder about speed < 1233152487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://nsl.com/k/befunge93.k < 1233152498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so short! < 1233152501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concise yes < 1233152512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that INCLUDES the gui < 1233152522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-98 would of course be a bit longer, but yes very concise < 1233152523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only like 2 pages of code < 1233152536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't very readable though < 1233152544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know K? < 1233152547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? that explains it then :P < 1233152559 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a single command of that < 1233152560 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1233152561 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W.P:80 25#,," " / program window < 1233152562 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W.P..bg:{:[_i~|P[1;2];999900;999999]} / yellow cell is current pointer < 1233152567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like some of those "lots of operators, but 1D" languages "B::"";b:{[f]if[~#B;B::0:`];r:f B;B::(#r)_ B;r}" < 1233152568 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty small < 1233152575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hm? < 1233152576 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, short < 1233152579 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code < 1233152580 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compact < 1233152581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233152582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233152586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233152597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that has any explicit loops at all < 1233152602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most APL/J/K programs don't < 1233152619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they use vector operations instead, since array programming language) < 1233152635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I wonder how fast it would run game of life? as fast as jitfunge? < 1233152640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/ has a bunch of other APL/J/K code btw < 1233152643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um... no :P < 1233152651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be not very fast. < 1233152653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably not as fast as cfunge either ;) < 1233152662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge is very fast at it < 1233152664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably around ccbi speed, I guess. < 1233152679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... that isn't too bad < 1233152681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The array programming language family have _very_ optimised vector operations) < 1233152687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1233152700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would have to < 1233152748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233152769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: here's something impressive: < 1233152783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-befunge, someone should make it... (yes I realise this means me probably... and I might if I have time at some point) < 1233152786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1233152790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1233152802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sec" is impressive? < 1233152803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233152822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shortest sudoku solver, evar, in K: < 1233152823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f:{$[&/x;,x;,/f'@[x;i;:;]'&27=x[,/p i:x?0]?!10]} < 1233152827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by the creator of K < 1233152832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _really_ short < 1233152851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a comment from him: < 1233152852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a few more bytes with a greedy algorithm is one million times faster on some harder puzzles .. (30ms instead of 1 hour) " < 1233152854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: OK, that's very clever, but insane <-- that comment *could* have been about APL, but in fact it was about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain < 1233152868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I read the logs :P < 1233152881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, have you seen the sudoku solved in *.deb < 1233152884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the package manager < 1233152887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so yes < 1233152892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg or apt or whatever it is < 1233152905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember which part handles what < 1233152935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did he post that longer version? < 1233152946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can see, it's probably on the google somewhere < 1233153006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... lets invent AQ9+ < 1233153011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not :p < 1233153020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like HQ9+ but has s for "solve sudoku" < 1233153029 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why A? < 1233153035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not SQ9+ ? < 1233153037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, because it doesn't make sense :D < 1233153041 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1233153046 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SudoKu < 1233153048 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SudoQ < 1233153056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233153062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo ku? < 1233153062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it ku < 1233153066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrr AnMaster < 1233153069 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1233153069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop stealing my bad jokes < 1233153070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah I won by one second < 1233153082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me: < 1233153082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31 someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31 sudo ku? < 1233153088 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I won by 5 secs in thinking < 1233153092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it was clearly unconnected) < 1233153094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hee < 1233153102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for me it was 15:31:01 sudo ku? 15:31:02 someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ku would of course have to be a KDE program < 1233153115 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1233153116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, unconnected < 1233153125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ksu ku then? < 1233153133 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd had to be a "Q" program, so that the KDE one is Ku < 1233153135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ksu exists < 1233153135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: isn't it kdesu < 1233153141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1233153142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know, you're meant to use it < 1233153142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1233153146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid home directory stuff I think < 1233153160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it seems to be < 1233153170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read kdesu as "K desu" and then I read it as "K desu desu desu desu desu desu" and then I die. < 1233153179 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233153188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles desu since he forgot what that meme was about
< 1233153215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by now it's more or less completely meaningless. < 1233153215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# A Japanese copula, or word used to grammatically link a subject and predicate. i.e. It is a Japanese verb meaning "to be"." "# An abbreviation for Delaware State University." < 1233153218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore zen. < 1233153221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the third meaning: < 1233153225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# The nickname of Suiseiseki, a fictional character in Rozen Maiden, which is also used as a meme." < 1233153236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Desu, but the likelyhood of you clicking an ED link is approximately 0 < 1233153254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, safe for work? < 1233153262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not later down the page. < 1233153281 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcaW_ZYWSbo < 1233153287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty od < 1233153287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1233153308 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting how many meanings one word can have < 1233153314 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing the subs to the vocals < 1233153322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1233153347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cavemanime: "ug ug ug ug ug ug ug ug ug" < 1233153396 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233154806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Perhaps one should study Japanese. ;) < 1233154816 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1233155116 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"yay, kde 4.2!" < 1233155476 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233155501 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233155535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: impomatic: ah, I remember anagold <<< lul i did the same typo < 1233155718 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to implement Underload < 1233155869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is fun < 1233155987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. <<< maybe because they're point-free for the most part? < 1233156000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that related to having shitty open source implementations < 1233156002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1233156006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1233156033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were referring to being hard to read, based on what anmaster answered < 1233156057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1233156060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1233156066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget i said that or i will kill you. < 1233156078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol learn apl < 1233156308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooo < 1233156313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm done with my j's < 1233156329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still far from good at it. < 1233156356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl is cooler. < 1233156366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch el vid now < 1233156881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j would do that the same way, except some of the stuff like "apply to each" there can be omitted in j < 1233156919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but it looks cooler < 1233156926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ap fucking l and has its own character set < 1233156928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. it's weirder. < 1233156986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway would be so cool to be able to write j/apl that fast < 1233156992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it just looks so awesome < 1233157001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1233157019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i probably could if i wrote it a bit more, i haven't really tried writing anything in it, so i'm fairly slow. < 1233157049 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should implement Sir. Cut < 1233157059 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, but it didn't work out well < 1233157230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hortont.com/racarr/?p=27 < 1233157230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpu life < 1233157267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hashlife tho < 1233157267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233157392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Life < 1233157493 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'only "20 cartridges or less" of Video Life were ever made.' < 1233157501 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be quite valuable < 1233157508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also quite slow :P < 1233158135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233158139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have a GoL quesitonnnnnnnnnnnnnn < 1233158151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be possible to be really efficient by storing the neighbour count of cells? < 1233158154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just switching based on that < 1233158268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One still needs to store each cell's state and update the state of the surrounding cells... < 1233158282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that takes up a fuckton of memory. < 1233158320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be really efficient, go with hashlife. ;) < 1233158429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you just move the problem of checking all neighbors. < 1233158458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get one check for deciding next state, but you'd have to propagate the state to neighboring neighbor counts < 1233158465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to sp -> < 1233161092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tokipona in too many lines: < 1233161093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Potkan has joined (n=Potkan@a40-unl1-2-27.static.adsl.vol.cz) < 1233161093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Saluton. < 1233161095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 toki :) < 1233161097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Good evening. < 1233161099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 toki < 1233161101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 coi < 1233161103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hej < 1233161105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hello < 1233161107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 coi < 1233161109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 saluton < 1233161111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hej < 1233161113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hello < 1233161115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1233161117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still at it . < 1233163282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is sure having a long lunch... < 1233163430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1233163730 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233163805 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233164578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: < 1233164873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A type system powerful enough to express exactly what a function does would be quite nice." < 1233164877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aka, a programming language. < 1233164883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ihope 2007-07-30) < 1233165283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking about a stack-based logic programming language < 1233165513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made a program snippet that solved a sudoku with it < 1233165520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was longer than the k thing < 1233165521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1233165521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show < 1233165523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like k. < 1233165526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshow < 1233165567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i kinda deleted the thingie. < 1233165577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was fairly half-assed < 1233165579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REWRITE IT < 1233165583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233165591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SOUNDS PHUN MOBILE < 1233165651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1233165769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah how the fuck does k do it :| < 1233165794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST GIMME THE KOE < 1233165863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this: A(1,9)@A(3,3)/adA(1,9)/adA(9,1)/ad < 1233165892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude that's pretty um how did it work < 1233165894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the solving just means specifying the rules of sudoku < 1233165899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1233165907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm talked to) < 1233165961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol now write it IN APL < 1233166025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, A(1,9)@ means all elements of A are from set {1, 2.. 9} < 1233166035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1233166038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not stack based < 1233166041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is predefined splicings. < 1233166045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is. < 1233166059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you can't really see it because i named the array. < 1233166086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(3,3)/ad; (3,3)/ is a splicing that splits the axes evenly in three parts, same semantics as in oklotalk < 1233166142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad is just alldiff, its rank is 1 < 1233166149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also an array-processing language ofc) < 1233166179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack-based logic programming array-processing language < 1233166203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't have to name it, but here it's shorter that way < 1233166209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166210 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-blpa-pl < 1233166248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just do the operations on shallow copies of A using ":" < 1233166258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume it's tos < 1233166263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello lament < 1233166265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you? < 1233166355 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233166361 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a loser baby < 1233166364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't you kill me < 1233166409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a good song < 1233166496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233166502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:11 hello lament < 1233166503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:11 who are you? < 1233166504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12 hi < 1233166506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12 i'm a loser baby < 1233166508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 so why don't you kill me < 1233166510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 yeah that's a good song < 1233166512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of #esoteric. < 1233166681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty depressing. < 1233166710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: protip: oklopol is never serious < 1233166713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when he's serious < 1233166732 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always serious, even when I'm not. < 1233166753 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that make me all that different from oklopol? < 1233166780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1233166841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, you are an antipo[ld] < 1233166860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... antipo(l|de) < 1233166877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233167165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: DO YOU STILL KNOW MENTAL IS AN ANAGRAMMAR OF YOUR NICK? < 1233167189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like "wow cool, wait old" < 1233167213 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you noticed i was 'lamente' for a few days < 1233167221 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means 'the mind' in Spanish < 1233167234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick is punny < 1233167266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH! < 1233167288 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ment means mind in catalan, i wonder if the article is still 'la' < 1233167350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mente_(psicolog%C3%ADa) < 1233167396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, i think it works < 1233167401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick means 'the mind' in Catalan < 1233167556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh. < 1233167567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"actually 'ment' means..." i thought that was a typo of "meant" < 1233167608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was kinda wondering why you completely ignored what i said; now i realize it's because i was being an idiot. < 1233168049 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1233168609 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is 23 your IQ? < 1233169192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-08-02, on the subject of asiekierka's IQ < 1233169200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the nick "squazr23") < 1233169207 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear these iq tests are a bunch of woodoo magic. < 1233169536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka's bot was amusing < 1233169537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A computer is a body fluid that carries food and obtaining energy and vital substances from within the body. < 1233169566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense to me < 1233169692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: The lungs are organs used for filtering urine from the blood. < 1233169704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiebot is a tree native to australia where it is the basic living substance of all the judges i've had the strangest dream... I dreamed i killed you again. < 1233169710 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-126.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a markov thing or ? < 1233169747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a megahal < 1233169749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should remember :| < 1233169752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since asiekierka can't program < 1233169761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, markov chain essentially < 1233169780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see < 1233169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233169814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: You love ehird`. < 1233169815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has some convobot ideas
< 1233169884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: Blood is a cell which receives and transmits electrical impulses. < 1233169887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: Say stfu to the muzzle of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator." - george w. Bush. < 1233169938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Ehird` is not a dumb computer program that translates high level language code into machine language code. < 1233169960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:57 asiebot: What is love? < 1233169960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:01:09 asiekierka: I hate you. < 1233169992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: I guess if someone says "fuck is a limb extending from the initials of other words. < 1233170055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiekierka is a sensory organ found on the head with the mzx community and pancake, and the anger from someone poking me. < 1233170066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiekierka is a bony girdle in vertebrates that connects the head with the mzx community and pancake, and the anger from someone poking me. < 1233170159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A pub is a confectionery made from cocoa beans. < 1233170356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233170360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when is that from? < 1233170363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 < 1233170366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233170372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of bot was asiebot? < 1233170375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov? < 1233170380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megahal, so yes. < 1233170385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more intelligent than its owner < 1233170386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asiekierka] < 1233170400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard < 1233170430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded < 1233170433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed < 1233170466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so the bot would win in a turing test if asie was the human? < 1233170478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1233170545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smarter != wins the turing test < 1233170558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, true < 1233170579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would be fun if the bot faked being the human < 1233170581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233170583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse < 1233170584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1233170591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human faked being the bot < 1233170611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think the human faked being the bot? < 1233170615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a human manage to act as incoherent as a bot? < 1233170618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I wonder < 1233170626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a kind of reverse turing test < 1233170638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, and I don't think the human faked, I just suggest it would be fun to try < 1233170642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting. Tell me more. < 1233170646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233170661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think haha? < 1233170682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned a faked human before? Tell me more about your faked human. < 1233170825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hey, running two Eliza against each other is fun, you need something to start them off though < 1233170975 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233171065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see two fungots talking to each other < 1233171066 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you think it's good that he knows what he's talking about a real bite though. more like doing what is in the same sentence as per bothner will probably give riastradh a fish! < 1233171071 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just like that < 1233171093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, that cause an annoying endless loopi < 1233171094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop* < 1233171099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened before < 1233171100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per bothner will probably give riastradh a fish! < 1233171102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search logs < 1233171102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233171102 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233171137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, however after that fungot started limited number of same lines per person < 1233171137 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't have scheme48, i assume < 1233171140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying infinite loop? seriously, two bots talking to each other = annoying infinite loop? that's just.. surprising :O < 1233171152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will only answer the same person 4 times in a row < 1233171159 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233171160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before ignoring until someone else speak too it < 1233171162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1233171165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1233171173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3 bot loop is still possible < 1233171176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and annoying < 1233171223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyt < 1233171304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, New York Times? < 1233171314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1233171319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then what? < 1233171325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was writing on another channel < 1233171330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my mouse was happy < 1233171332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wrong tab < 1233171359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, accidentally clicked it open at the last few chars < 1233171359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then it is customary to write: " < 1233171361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1233171365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /w < 1233171366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1233171367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233171375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUZ DAT MEAN < 1233171379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233171389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever used irssi? < 1233171395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1233171409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not saying I like irssi < 1233171419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1233171426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you think you're being funny < 1233171429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1233171431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying it is funny when they manage to write " /w 23" or such < 1233171440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not trying to be funny < 1233171445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo < 1233171473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en minä nyt oikein tajua mistä puhutte, taidan jatkaa algebran tehtävien kyöntiä < 1233171490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does that mean? < 1233171494 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in English? < 1233171589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of writing in finnish if i just translate it right after < 1233171607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what the fuck, i've been doing this exercise for 50 minutes now < 1233171613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point taken < 1233171616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one voluntary exercise < 1233171623 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exercise? < 1233171626 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you exercise? < 1233171642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well algebra, i'm never sure what term to use for uni schoolwork < 1233171653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call them "demonstrations" < 1233171682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the situation is called, but so are the exercises for some reason. < 1233171690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm situation < 1233171700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean when you liek demonstrate them to the class and shit. < 1233171708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll anyway < 1233171711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues
< 1233171715 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ay < 1233171717 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay* < 1233171722 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 'ay would work too < 1233171729 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe < 1233171739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google translate handle *.fi? < 1233171766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1233171768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I now I really understand what you are talking about, going to continue the algebra of kyöntiä" < 1233171776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, interesting < 1233171790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "really"? < 1233171793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first sentence is negated < 1233171811 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add an ! in front of it < 1233171819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean it should have been "I now really doesn't understand what you are talking about"? < 1233171821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda weird. < 1233171824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "now" then < 1233171828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes exactly. < 1233171843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is a major fail of google < 1233171844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "now i don't really understand what you're talking about..." < 1233171849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233171850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233171855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1233171866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in a different place in finnish, but almost the same construct < 1233171877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and where is the negation bit? < 1233171889 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do NOT < 1233171893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm? right there? < 1233171895 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT is the keyword < 1233171896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in the original... < 1233171898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1233171902 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233171909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, google did fail the latter part of the sentence, but so would fizzie. < 1233171919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't exactly expecting you to care what i said. < 1233171919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why would he fail? < 1233171932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we care! < 1233171937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because "kyö" is a verb used only by vjn. < 1233171943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kyödä" to be exact < 1233171945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fun < 1233171972 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lost me somewhere near token 1 on row 1 < 1233171978 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. the first word < 1233171978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means pretty much anything, we have tons of words you need to guess from context. < 1233171985 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the finnish version < 1233171988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233171995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you can understand Norwegian but Finnish is just strange... < 1233172018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language family mess up over there I'm afraid < 1233172033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it closest to Japanese or something? I forgot < 1233172039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay second attempt at the exercise; fucked up an equation there < 1233172039 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian I believe it is? < 1233172051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably get matlab or something < 1233172052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233172078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hung yes < 1233172098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I think it was oklopol or fizzie that claimed that a Finnish thought a lot of foreign people thought "Noika" was Japanese < 1233172107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nookia < 1233172108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1233172110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nokia < 1233172122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1233172132 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe, I dunno < 1233172141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was Finnish < 1233172163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooo gcc 4.3.3 hit stable on arch linux < 1233172192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :released like 4 days ago... < 1233172214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux is probably the most bleeding edge distro I know < 1233172394 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb < 1233172395 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1233172568 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233172568 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233172572 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233172659 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam subject line: "There is a little mess in your pants - change it to a big order." < 1233172662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the F***?!?!?! < 1233172668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233172674 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1233172698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the well-ordering principle < 1233173051 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1233173097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should look at Lojban. < 1233173275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1233173308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he certainly did :P < 1233173317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kerlo, < 1233173480 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233173637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I always thought it was Finnish <<< probably living closer to nokia than i do, you're not exactly a prime example of a foreigner. < 1233173695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finished the exercise! < 1233173738 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233173743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233173748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are all the immense congratulations < 1233173785 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/' < 1233173790 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy now? < 1233173857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing in yer hand is it a present for me < 1233173872 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a typo :D < 1233173877 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have it for free < 1233173878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1233173882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE TYPOS! < 1233173886 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gdoo < 1233174145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I always thought it was Finnish <<< probably living closer to nokia than i do, you're not exactly a prime example of a foreigner. <-- eh? < 1233174156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean closer? < 1233174169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically closer < 1233174172 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested quoting on IRC < 1233174173 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233174181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233174188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Stockholm is closer to any part of Finland than I am < 1233174204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and do i live in stockholm? < 1233174206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got no idea where in Finland Nokia is < 1233174219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no but Stockholm is pretty far from Finland < 1233174228 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233174244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live about 150 km from stockholm, nokia is a lot farther. < 1233174271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens google earth
< 1233174271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i was indeed lying about you living closer than me; but the difference is not that great < 1233174284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1233174287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that you < 1233174291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so what is the distance for you? < 1233174296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might catch my bullshits. < 1233174300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea. < 1233174310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what do you mean "your bullshits"? < 1233174316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed." < 1233174318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you < 1233174341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproducible every time I start it < 1233174357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i mean i'm throwing the numbers from absolutely nowhere. < 1233174358 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if they wrote "the Earth" < 1233174369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, eh? < 1233174383 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're sorry, but the Earth has crashed." < 1233174392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233174392 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if it'd be their fault if the world ended < 1233174403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs testing version
< 1233174498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if your seriously going to measure, i live in turku < 1233174512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes I am if I get google earth running < 1233174520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you don't know that, i've mentioned it quite a few times < 1233174560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed I didn't remember the name of the city < 1233174571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just use the mesh-current method to find the branch currents < 1233174574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, best would of course be from the correct house < 1233174587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? < 1233174595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i'm not sure i want to divulge that < 1233174605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and your CC number of course too! < 1233174606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233174609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very close to campus < 1233174621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway what did you mean with " well just use the mesh-current method to find the branch currents" < 1233174624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps. < 1233174644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1233174652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth were you talking about < 1233174655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lol just assume it's random if you don't get it :P < 1233174661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very close to campus, if that helps < 1233174662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live < 1233174664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233174666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very, very close. < 1233174703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turku == Åbo? < 1233174707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233174708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Earth thinks so < 1233174718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku is the international name afaik < 1233174723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i hope it is < 1233174730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åbo is the swedish name < 1233174773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from you to Nokia about 132 km < 1233174787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that close :O < 1233174792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from you to Stockholm around 265 km < 1233174804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, by roads it may be longer < 1233174808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is straight line < 1233174839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pretty straight highway there, it's just i thought it was a lot futher down it. < 1233174842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from me to Nokia: ca 530 km < 1233174852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. i guess a bit more then. < 1233174853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to give the distance to any other point < 1233174860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want you to triangulate my position < 1233174860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233174863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233174887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far do you live from me just out of curiosity < 1233174890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually put that marker wrong, it is more like 560 km < 1233174894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no! < 1233174905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1233174909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost fooled you right < 1233174915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no I didn't < 1233174922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1233174924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1233174930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just correcting the distance to Nokia < 1233175047 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:35:15] oklopol, no I didn't < 1233175052 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd been something < 1233175055 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fooling yourself < 1233175057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, typoed < 1233175058 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233175065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I understood < 1233175071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the i and you keys are right next to each other < 1233175816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuio? < 1233175828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new word meaning you/I < 1233176238 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178607 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178661 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that I've decided to refer to everyone using first-person pronouns? < 1233178667 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've actually been doing so. < 1233178681 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everyone. How am I doing? < 1233178700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1233178843 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178941 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233179687 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233179750 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233180112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1233180251 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233181982 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233182247 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233182461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : water vapour is unlikely to be much of a problem, it can cause global warming but most of it won't be at the right height < 1233182526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _really_ know but i would imagine that the atmosphere stays pretty much saturated with water vapour, so adding more is very temporary (hydrological cycle) < 1233182554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha you and your silly anecdotes < 1233182561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we have huge oceans precisely because you _cannot_ add most of it to the atmosphere < 1233182623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, it's much less important for global warming because it's self-regulating < 1233182674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why didn't i check if ais523 was here before starting blathering :( < 1233182761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could still _strengthen_ global warming i think, because warming the atmosphere makes it have a higher water vapor threshold) < 1233182794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this stuff has to be well-known < 1233182931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to come up with something completely nonsensical, but fails miserably.
< 1233182956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help you with that by shaving this iguana < 1233182990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha an iguana that's like givin birth to a sevenfold quilt :D < 1233183033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and without the lactose too < 1233183060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a heinous predicate < 1233183073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it is with these verifiables. < 1233183097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes heine was known for his predicates < 1233183098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233183101 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233183368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1233183375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the word "heinous" < 1233183383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not all that common. < 1233183397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hear it in cracker a minute later < 1233183404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tv show i don't even watch) < 1233183448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not not that common, but, you know, i wasn't actually watching, i turn my head on the screen, and the guy uses it < 1233183457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sign. you must now convert to tibetan buddhism and go live in a small hut at the base of mount everest. < 1233183481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1233183487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1233183489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a word for that < 1233183495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233183495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you just use/find out about something < 1233183497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam, there it is again < 1233183501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a special condition thing < 1233183539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :synchronicity is one word for it but i guess you mean something more specific < 1233183542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233183543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. a phenomenon i noticed when i was like 7, and heard about when someone here linked it < 1233183550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something more specific yes < 1233183555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically comes down to < 1233183560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't uncommon, your brain just didn't notice it < 1233183564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't interesting previous times < 1233183634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233183668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall when i last used the word, so i was very conscious when i did just now < 1233183748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, i did actually turn my head just before the guy used it, so there's definitely *some* magic involved (he yelled something during a lecture or something just before using it) < 1233183764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i was like huh whatchayellin) < 1233183795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i still don't know what he yellin) < 1233183826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a law of nature. if any atheist hears about it, the evidence must be just vague enough that he can claim to explain it away. < 1233183853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1233183895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had religious thoughts the other day. well more like spiritual. caffeine made me feel alive and philosophical. < 1233183919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i proceeded reading about software engineering, and all was numb again < 1233183926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic maybe i should drink more coffee < 1233183940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is down to a couple cups a day
< 1233183945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well caffeine, taurine and a few others < 1233183955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really drink coffee anymore, it's too much work < 1233183959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i thought you said religious people were obsolete < 1233183969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, i still think so :D < 1233183985 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"godnatt" < 1233183985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a law of nature. if any atheist hears about it, the evidence must be just vague enough that he can claim to explain it away. < 1233183990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheism != rationalism. < 1233184041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok if an _irrational_ atheist hears about it, the evidence can be conclusive and he still won't believe it :D < 1233184045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my religious thoughts are usually about greater universes containing this one as a simulation; i don't actually believe in that stuff, but it just sounds so appealing i might not die when i die. < 1233184059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death is scary :( < 1233184059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, life is awesome < 1233184070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to lose conciousness. < 1233184078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm much less afraid of it than i was, say, at your age < 1233184099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's normal for the fear to lessen with time, at least it would make sense < 1233184104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to not be afraid of death at all. Then I realised, you know, it was death. End of. < 1233184169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's probably not that scary once you actually experience it ;) < 1233184190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the thing isn't it. You can't exactly reflect on death. < 1233184199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get back on my electronics < 1233184209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just impossible to imagine not ... existing. I mean, obviously. Because existing is the only perspective you can percieve things through. < 1233184264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely < 1233184328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233184333 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you die, you forget everything and become someone else instead. < 1233184355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound very plausible < 1233184367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat appealing of course < 1233184372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you forget everything, whether you're you is... debatable. < 1233184396 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you become someone you had an especially great amount of impact on. < 1233184402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate the idea of a heaven... I don't like a segregated world where you can only watch life and everyone you know is dead. < 1233184420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love that < 1233184422 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why cool people are Alcor members. < 1233184425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watching the world < 1233184431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being a part of it < 1233184440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to be like a janitor in a big building < 1233184448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1233184449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1233184451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never be seen < 1233184460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watch people from my little peepholes in the walls < 1233184461 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to quit everything and explore the world. < 1233184492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quit everything"? < 1233184499 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably an enclosed world, so that I don't have to get cold when it snows. < 1233184503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MEAN LIKE YOUR IRC CLIENT < 1233184505 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School, I guess. < 1233184516 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bring an IRC headset along! < 1233184528 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type with my jaws. It's not that difficult once you get used to it, you see. < 1233184560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't die, there's no reason to let your brain feel cold. < 1233184564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't die < 1233184578 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can die, though. < 1233184597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233184605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm then < 1233184646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm doing mesh current and i have a current source, umm, how the fuck does that work? :\ < 1233184652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233184655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais might actually know < 1233184664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that's not very helpful either < 1233184678 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, transcranial brain stimulation. < 1233184695 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that. < 1233184700 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transcranial magnetic stimulation. < 1233184738 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It blasts your brain for a while, so after you're done, that part of your brain doesn't work for a while. < 1233184752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1233184798 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you become an autistic savant! Kind of. < 1233184803 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sound interesting? < 1233184806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learned today about a condition where you can only perceive one object at a time :o
< 1233184823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: definitely, i've always wanted to be an autistic savant < 1233184843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought magnetism had little effect on human biology < 1233184847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i'm just good at stuff, and not that practical. < 1233184853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very extreme. < 1233184856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, otherwise MRI would be dangerous < 1233184859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation < 1233184884 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good at stuff like knowing what d^2f(x,y)/dxdy means? < 1233184902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: in general. < 1233184926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know what that means, but that's more about knowing stuff than being good < 1233184927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's rapidly changing magnetism, which is essentially electromagnetic < 1233184954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what i mean is i'm like the square root of autistic savant, like most nerds. < 1233184978 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how would you explain it? < 1233184993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...explain what? < 1233185000 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d^2f(x,y)/dxdy. < 1233185025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to tell you what i know it means. < 1233185037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining has little to do with math < 1233185054 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please explain it, then? < 1233185068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's trying to get you to do his homework < 1233185144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: umm how? < 1233185146 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, since students of this class are all able to visualize things like that. < 1233185162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how can i explain it without somehow telling you what it means? < 1233185175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible by definition < 1233185204 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My explanation would be something like "d^2f(x,y)/dxdy is how twisty it is". < 1233185219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what nice intuitive nonsense. < 1233185264 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful intuitive nonsense. < 1233185270 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or maybe it's not useful at all. < 1233185270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what my intuition about differentials says; but i do not know what differentials are. < 1233185313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be useful. but in math, you should keep intuition to yourself unless teaching. < 1233185314 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233185324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how i perceive the field < 1233185342 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I continue trying to determine how intelligent you are compared to me? < 1233185366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: err go ahead. < 1233185371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you're at it, answer my question < 1233185406 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how possible it is to explain something without saying what it means. I don't think I asked you to do that. < 1233185441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're both stupid. < 1233185443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the calculus i'm taking does not define differentials. haven't seen a definition for them, and i've heard TRWBW say they are more of an intuitive concept. < 1233185451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm kinda wary. < 1233185462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1233185463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: no, you did not. < 1233185470 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1233185482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it was my own addition. < 1233185491 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got TRWBW to call something an intuitive concept? Wow. :-) < 1233185492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch? :) < 1233185505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it's not a matter of opinion < 1233185509 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ehird's frankness. < 1233185516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is TRWBW? < 1233185525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's a matter of my lack of knowledge. < 1233185531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know shit about calculus < 1233185538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a famous due < 1233185539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no definition of the differential by limits? oh well i guess they might do that in engineering courses < 1233185539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dude < 1233185550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1233185550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233185556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: naturally there's a definition of the differential by limits < 1233185558 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRWBW is the guy in #math whose opinion is generally "mathematics is fundamentally about formal rules; therefore, most things in mathematics are generally best understood as formal rules". < 1233185561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait, is he a person in that #math place? < 1233185561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not *that* retarded < 1233185565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: ah. < 1233185574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I assume he likes metamath, then. < 1233185576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but differentials are used in actual calculations. < 1233185584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's soo easy to understand, right? < 1233185593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you said "the calculus i'm taking does not define differentials. haven't seen a definition for them," < 1233185594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/2p2e4.html < 1233185599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way to understand 2+2=4 < 1233185601 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how smart are you? < 1233185607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes absolutely no sense to me, i asked the lecturer what the fuck that was about, and he muttered something about the course being for non-mathematicians. < 1233185608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: not. < 1233185612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is incredibly smart for his age < 1233185618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the smartest 4-year-old i know < 1233185622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right < 1233185627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: harsh, man. harsh. < 1233185638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah sorry, for differentials, no definition. < 1233185651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to supply me with one < 1233185659 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's obviously smart enough to be doing esoteric programming at the age of 12. < 1233185672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you in here in 2005? < 1233185680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my calculations of everyone in #esoteric is correct, you'd have been 12 then. < 1233185684 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was also doing esoteric programming at the age of 12, indeed. < 1233185694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um you are contradicting yourself < 1233185699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about Brainfuck since I was like 10, I think. < 1233185705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not contradicting, correcting < 1233185710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only actually wrote programs in it when I was like 11 though. Even then barely < 1233185729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: derivatives and integrals were defined via limits, differentials not < 1233185736 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only learned about esoteric programming at 65 < 1233185744 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a latecomer to the field so to speak < 1233185747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok, d f(x) / dx = lim_{h -> 0} (f(x+h)-f(x))/h < 1233185756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um wait no < 1233185758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the definition of derivative < 1233185767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's dx there? < 1233185773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's d f(x) < 1233185777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the differentials < 1233185788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not aware of any distinction between derivative and differential :D < 1233185790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave us that definition, and started using them as if they were numbers. < 1233185799 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For quite a while, I've wanted to take a GCSE and be done with high school. < 1233185804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same thing < 1233185814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, does it sound feasible to you to multiply d f(x)/dx by dx? < 1233185823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you do when dx is a differential < 1233185825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean separately < 1233185872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, afaiu a differential means an infitesimal number two of whose division gives the derivative.... that is, blabber blabber nonsense nonsense whappidippydoo. < 1233185881 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or A-Levels or something. < 1233185902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hm right. it's usually done wishy-washy < 1233185907 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think of things like dx as simply meaning the derivative of x with respect to a universal implicit variable. < 1233185920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another lecturer said on a different occasion differentials can be defined via multivariable functions. < 1233185934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ do it with non-standard analysis, which uses some heavy logic to embed infinitesimals in set theory < 1233185934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that i should probably just try to live with them for now. < 1233185975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: everyone likes to think things. that's called nonsense :D < 1233185985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :okloWBW < 1233186047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: well kerlo's idea probably works best in practice < 1233186069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until you start with partial derivatives < 1233186095 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care what works. i don't learn math because it's useful < 1233186156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: of course this all goes back to leibnitz's notation (That d/dx stuff) which was really based on noting that treating stuff as infinitesimals mostly works < 1233186158 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial dx is the partial derivative of x with respect to a different, non-universal implicit variable. < 1233186168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centuries before anyone defined it properly < 1233186218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leibniz < 1233186292 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: doesn't sounds all that formal to mea. < 1233186293 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1233186341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz#Calculus is very relevant to our discussion < 1233186395 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be formalized. < 1233186405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: can I ask a J q < 1233186428 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233186440 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: most likely. but i can't do it in my head just like that. < 1233186445 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err sure < 1233186450 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably cannot answer. < 1233186459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: what's the "mean" code again? this leads onto another q < 1233186492 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean=:+/%# < 1233186493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(infinitesimal) mentions several ways of making it rigorous < 1233186568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: so in (+ /% #), howcome it doesn't apply % to the functions themselves < 1233186575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how does the implicit arg get fitted in? < 1233186699 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err < 1233186714 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's a fork < 1233186719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vwat < 1233186734 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x (a b c) y means (x a y) b (x c y) < 1233186746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... why < 1233186748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems arbitrary < 1233186775 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be arbitrary, but it's extremely useful, and lets you write most functions without naming your arguments < 1233186788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233186790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about if I did < 1233186794 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i definitely don't think it's arbitrary < 1233186800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean =: (+x)/%(#x) < 1233186803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it try and put the arg in? < 1233186811 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes < 1233186821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it? < 1233186832 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would crash because x isn't defined < 1233186845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume x is the formal parameter. < 1233186873 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is a list, then (+x)/%(#x) is the mean of that list. < 1233186877 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233186880 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correction < 1233186887 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copypasted the wrong one < 1233186893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1233186898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how come it doesn't feed in the arg automatically < 1233186901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule for that < 1233186920 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's hope they teach me that in uni, i don't want to learn calculus on my own. < 1233186933 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well, i'm not really that interested in it < 1233186942 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233186947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233186950 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: feed in the arg automatically..? < 1233186957 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't know what you mean < 1233186959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/%# < 1233186962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforms into < 1233186969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why doesn't < 1233186971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform into, etc < 1233186976 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1233186977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it know when to fork < 1233186983 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/%# is just a fork < 1233186984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule < 1233186986 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as a lambda < 1233186991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no lambda < 1233186996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you dividing two functions. < 1233187008 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the semantics of which i already defined < 1233187056 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially three adjacent functions evaluates to a lambda < 1233187063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233187063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233187067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233187068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +/%# < 1233187069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-----+-+-+ < 1233187071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|+-+-+|%|#| < 1233187073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :||+|/|| | | < 1233187075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|+-+-+| | | < 1233187077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-----+-+-+ < 1233187079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii art parse trees. < 1233187081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide if that's fucking stupid or fucking awesome < 1233187082 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233187100 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a notational thing, i think you can change that somehow < 1233187107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's very common in math to apply things to functions that way ("pointwise") < 1233187111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you retrieve the previous line into the prompt in J? < 1233187114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, okay < 1233187120 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1233187133 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say (x^2-4) + (sin x) < 1233187146 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x doesn't need to be bound, those can be functions too < 1233187159 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just adding funcs then < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58 how do you retrieve the previous line into the prompt in J? < 1233187175 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: click, enter < 1233187177 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233187183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1233187202 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i do it in idle, therefore also in j < 1233187203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x=:+1 < 1233187203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x 2 < 1233187205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|syntax error < 1233187207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233187209 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably are better ways < 1233187221 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: x=:+&1 < 1233187229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1233187233 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 is just 1. < 1233187235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::+& < 1233187238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the & < 1233187243 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's an adverb < 1233187250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you look up a functions doc in j < 1233187278 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's a conjunction < 1233187296 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j602, help->help < 1233187298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I wanna look up & < 1233187300 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i know < 1233187307 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reference card, googl it < 1233187308 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*google < 1233187311 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1233187315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I get all the &s in it. < 1233187318 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably need some basics first < 1233187328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vocabulary" helps < 1233187340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fuck basics < 1233187342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to write code < 1233187344 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233187355 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hf. < 1233187368 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233187368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you undefine somethin < 1233187368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1233187369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233187370 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you're better than me < 1233187375 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233187392 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1233187453 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know. < 1233187496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries j's life
< 1233187497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1233187498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fast < 1233187525 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1233187527 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coins < 1233187529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1233187532 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that's hard :| < 1233187534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1233187587 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233187624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I love j < 1233187640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !999999999 < 1233187640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1233187643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is _ "i dunno lol" < 1233187747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: in the vocab list < 1233187751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that _really_ it? < 1233187920 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233187998 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm? < 1233188005 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is infinity < 1233188013 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__ is negative infinity < 1233188033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1233188042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: are strings, umm, lists of sth < 1233188045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1233188051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might read the tutorial < 1233188053 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233188073 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'str' < 1233188084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233188089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you do wid them < 1233188098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried < 1233188099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 's' < 1233188101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it opened up a printer dialog < 1233188102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDDDD < 1233188106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too literal man < 1233188120 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :) < 1233188128 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm i haven't done anything with strings < 1233188137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, ++ doubles < 1233188139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1233188143 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: still don't know what coins meant? < 1233188146 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the demos < 1233188149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233188160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut is it < 1233188169 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ doubles? < 1233188170 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1233188176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1233188182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) 2 -> 4 < 1233188182 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a game < 1233188193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) 2 3 -> 4 < 1233188194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1233188195 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1233188195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) 2 3 -> 4 6 < 1233188200 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah of course < 1233188206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dun geddit < 1233188243 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a (b c) d = (a b (c d)) < 1233188256 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233188265 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monadically: (b c) d = (d b (c d)) < 1233188270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233188273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233188278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 + (+ 2)) < 1233188280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233188287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1233188292 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233188315 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233188356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, strings are documented in j602/help/user/script_strings.htm < 1233188447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, + = -- < 1233188465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, where's range... < 1233188524 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.? < 1233188568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1233188631 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233188661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg omggggggggg < 1233188662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 5$i.10 < 1233188663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 2 3 4 < 1233188665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 6 7 8 9 < 1233188667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1233188669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too awesome. < 1233188678 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233188685 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j makes you go like that a lot < 1233188699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you input a multid array < 1233188701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reshape? < 1233188748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 0 < 1233188748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : glider=:3 3$1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 < 1233188750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : glider < 1233188752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 < 1233188754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 0 < 1233188756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 0 < 1233188758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is jawsome < 1233188766 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one way < 1233188773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do it < 1233188787 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can use raze........ < 1233188791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raze? < 1233188795 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233188800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1233188817 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1 2 3; 3 4 5 < 1233188857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, neat. < 1233188863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you expand a matrix? :s < 1233188865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched the docs... < 1233188870 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand? < 1233188874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like < 1233188899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 < 1233188905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 < 1233188909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my glider < 1233188941 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can consider the arrays lists of lists as long as you make sure length issues don't arise; / maps an operator over a list, and , concatenates < 1233188946 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,/ >... < 1233188958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 $!.0 glider < 1233188958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 < 1233188959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 0 < 1233188961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 0 < 1233188963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 < 1233188965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 < 1233188967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helped a bittttttttttt < 1233188986 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188988 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233188997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233188997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233189000 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233189000 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o < 1233189001 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233189002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it < 1233189002 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233189005 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233189009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................................... < 1233189010 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o < 1233189013 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1233189017 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1233189022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck are you doing lament < 1233189113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? It's a game of life state < 1233189123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is. < 1233189138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah oklopol i can't figure out how to drown my glider in a sea of 0s <_< < 1233189200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm < 1233189223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a way to do that, but umm. < 1233189230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember :'( < 1233189238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233189272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that neighbours are
< 1233189276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 |. x < 1233189279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 |. x < 1233189284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 |. x < 1233189286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 |. x < 1233189291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 _1 |. x < 1233189294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1 0 |. x < 1233189295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1 _1 |. x < 1233189311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neighbour at point goes into point. < 1233189347 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233189445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233189457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooksdfsdfsdf < 1233189502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233189502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233189520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233189533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slep! < 1233189534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233189554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo < 1233192377 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233194428 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233194484 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey goise < 1233194513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quack* < 1233194790 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233194793 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233197352 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233201901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1233202559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1233202559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233202577 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like the idea of having to create a parser that recognizes things character by character < 1233202593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately, stupid regex's dont let me specify set intersections :( < 1233202608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN THO regular languages are closed under intersection < 1233202618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set union? easy! < 1233202623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set intersection? hah! < 1233202630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly perl allows it but ruby's regex doesnt. :| < 1233202701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could also use subtraction. that would help too. but no. < 1233202704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that for me~! < 1233202747 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombgirl < 1233203935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl, are you transexual? < 1233203951 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: are you five? < 1233203986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233204001 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a pygmy? < 1233204010 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. im actually an irrational number but five is close enough for convenience. < 1233204019 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am also a pygmy. how did you know? < 1233205954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1233205956 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone talk < 1233205956 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233206162 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bo < 1233206442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233206457 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233207621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233212379 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233212394 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233215999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233216000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233216823 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: (?:(?=[a-r])[d-z]) == [d-r] < 1233216897 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a trick for the built-in classes: [^\W\d] == \w - \d < 1233217561 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233218272 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> del __builtins__.__import__ < 1233218276 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> import sys < 1233218277 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImportError: __import__ not found < 1233218285 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandbox mode! :) < 1233219405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Disconnecting from stoned server." < 1233219428 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233224033 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233224351 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233226149 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-11-230.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233226821 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233227244 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233231492 0 :comexk!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233231534 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233231534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233231534 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233231536 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233231619 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233232821 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233233411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1233233560 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@d90-130-2-10.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233233851 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233234357 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is single \r and \n handled by *nix shells? On windows; a single \r moves the cursor to the start of the current line. < 1233234527 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... print 'foo\rx\nbar\rx' gives "xoo" on one line, and "xar" on the next, both on windows and SunOS < 1233234592 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... redhat too < 1233234636 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be python that makes it so though... >_> < 1233234851 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corewar will be 25 years old later this year :-) < 1233236370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233236378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on terminal rather than shell I think < 1233236387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, ^ < 1233236407 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233236416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes python could mess with it < 1233236434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not: echo -ne 'foo\rx\nbar\rx' < 1233236447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly remove the -n < 1233236833 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple answer: they don't < 1233236867 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably putty that resets the cursor position on \r < 1233236903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you manage to print out a raw \r, it probably does move the cursor to the start of the current line on just about any sensible terminal. < 1233237384 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233237416 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-118-127-13.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233240780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i am totally understanding j < 1233240817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1233240826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, verily < 1233240842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that < 1233240848 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233240850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how raze works? < 1233240854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I'm starting to "get" J < 1233240857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I know how raze works. < 1233240876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _entirely_ understand it all, but I think I'm getting the gist. < 1233240912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array languages are fun in that there actually is a gist < 1233240917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1233240932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to learning liek umm what was the thing i was reading < 1233240934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway. < 1233240939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was this language < 1233240954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, probably proves my point even better than remembering < 1233240956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp -> < 1233240960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish j gave things more conventional names though < 1233240965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of hard to find something < 1233240978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reflex . passive / evoke" well duhhhhh < 1233241145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm how could I run |. over the various args without troubles hrmmmmm < 1233241227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what you mean < 1233241243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yesterday I said: < 1233241252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:32 * ehird notes that neighbours are < 1233241253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:36 0 0 |. x < 1233241254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:39 0 1 |. x < 1233241256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:44 1 0 |. x < 1233241258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:46 1 1 |. x < 1233241260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:51 0 _1 |. x < 1233241262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:54 _1 0 |. x < 1233241264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:55 _1 _1 |. x < 1233241266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:35:11 neighbour at point goes into point. < 1233241268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like... i don't want to write out all those :D < 1233241357 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233241376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm. right. < 1233241376 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-139.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233241389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm wondering how I could do lieeeeeek < 1233241396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you do some searching, i don't remember :| < 1233241401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lieeeeeeek length two permutations of _1 0 1, feed em to |. k" < 1233241412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a simple way to (1,0,1)2 < 1233241424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(-1,0,1)2 < 1233241428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(-1,0,1)^2 < 1233241430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233241440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is it with my laptop constantly putting insert on < 1233241451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never actually pressed it except to off it. < 1233241485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what length 2 permutations of _1 0 1 are, but i guess you mean the cartesian product because you listed it < 1233241489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more sp -> < 1233241980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i:1) ((<@([;]))"0/) (i:1) holy fuck that was hard < 1233241999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hardest part of j, getting ranks and all that right < 1233242058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ranks are kind of confusing < 1233242059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is sp < 1233242064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south park. < 1233242067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233242073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233242082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_1 0 1)^2 < 1233242082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 1 < 1233242097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant cartesian product < 1233242101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with itself < 1233242122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there, liek < 1233242124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function 4 dat < 1233242130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure der is < 1233242135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a oper/ b" applies oper to the cartesian product. < 1233242144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there probably is a function that just gives the cp < 1233242150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know it atm. < 1233242154 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP D: < 1233242156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_1 0 1) |./ glider < 1233242156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|length error < 1233242158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| (_1 0 1) |./glider < 1233242160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my world is over < 1233242183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i mean < 1233242193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u meen < 1233242197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(each of a) oper (each of b) < 1233242201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek makes an array of them. < 1233242210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol can u c im confused lol < 1233242211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1233242235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not even all permutations < 1233242245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's all permutations of (one elem, one elem) < 1233242260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. < 1233242267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so helpful :D < 1233242321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1233242373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is for people who < 1233242377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T NEED ANY HELP < 1233242396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;) < 1233242403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. < 1233242406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a j channel < 1233242408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jsoftware < 1233242412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have j evaluation bots. < 1233242415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1233242430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1233242439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW < 1233242453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only 4 people in ther < 1233242454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1233242454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and us < 1233242456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1233242460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3 bots < 1233242984 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233244942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% grep -i 'youtube' *|head < 1233244942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.05.23:03:38:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 < 1233245048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04.05.27:14:16:29 i have never even seen a breadboard, but they sure sound sexy < 1233247658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1233247661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy in #jsoftware, gnomon < 1233247665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in the logs of here im reading now < 1233247666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1233248403 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IllegalNameExcep < 1233248459 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :NullPointer < 1233248464 0 :NullPointer!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1233248490 0 :IllegalNameExcep!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1233248749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there? < 1233248757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233248810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a python question, if I want to dump everything python knows about a module, how would I do it? This is for debugging, basically I have a crash in a C program using python for an embedded scripting language. And I want to dump everything python knows about the module it implements. < 1233248815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read python docs yes < 1233248825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be more specific. < 1233248828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything it knows" makes little sense. < 1233248831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to dump? < 1233248838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, PyModule object < 1233248855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's dict < 1233248861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with the C API. Can you get the module from inside a Python prompt? < 1233248861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively < 1233248872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can run python code yes < 1233248883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stepping in gdb to right before the point it crashes < 1233248884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try module.__dict__ < 1233248888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233248889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1233248931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that did what I wanted. < 1233248932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233248937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1233248944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) call PyRun_SimpleString("print Crossfire.__dict__\n") < 1233248946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun :) < 1233248956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if it was a bit easier to read only :/ < 1233248962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: import pprint < 1233248977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pprint.pprint(Crossfire.__dict__) < 1233248980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233249006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call PyRun_SimpleString("import pprint\npprint.pprint(Crossfire.__dict__)\n") I guess < 1233249008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1233249017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1233249036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'Time': , < 1233249037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'Type': , < 1233249043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, guess it isn't recursive < 1233249047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1233249053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it recursive. < 1233249056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1233249063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, sec. < 1233249084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the issue is something is wrong with reference count, python thinks that module, 'Crossfire_Type' has no references, but I think it has, to be specific: in that dict < 1233249100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the python object think. but not the python gc < 1233249103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1233249115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: crossfire-server: Modules/gcmodule.c:277: visit_decref: Assertion `gc->gc.gc_refs != 0' failed. < 1233249117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233249134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so I'm digging deep into the internals atm < 1233249135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def recdict(o): < 1233249135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if hasattr(o, '__dict__'): < 1233249136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r = {} < 1233249138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for k, v in o.__dict__.iteritems(): < 1233249140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r[k] = recdict(v) < 1233249142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return r < 1233249144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else: < 1233249146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return o < 1233249148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pprint.pprint(recdict(Crossfire)) < 1233249158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice, now to write it all in a C string :D < 1233249161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with spaces < 1233249168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"def recdict(o):\n if hasattr(o, '__dict__'):\n r = {}\n for k, v in o.__dict__.iteritems():\n r[k] = recdict(v)\n return r\n else:\n return o\n" < 1233249170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233249176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233249177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"def recdict(o):\n if hasattr(o, '__dict__'):\n r = {}\n for k, v in o.__dict__.iteritems():\n r[k] = recdict(v)\n return r\n else:\n return o\npprint.pprint(recdict(Crossfire))\n" < 1233249186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that by doing """(code)""" in python and looking at the output :P < 1233249207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233249209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233249264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I would recommend against using python as an embedded scripting language. < 1233249270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't very...embeddable. < 1233249288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not my choice, has been like that since before I joined the project < 1233249295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1233249302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would have used lua < 1233249320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua is... rather crappy. < 1233249321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, 800 lines of output from that < 1233249329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax isn't very nice, and *arrays index at 1* < 1233249345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well there is guile too, but I don't expect anyone else to have liked that idea. < 1233249364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that I can't think of any embedded scripting language < 1233249375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guile is a rather crappy Scheme, too :P < 1233249383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however since the embedded scripting language is in a plugin and not in core it should be easy to replace < 1233249384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for elk, it's an embeddable Scheme with nice things like full continuations < 1233249388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a bit dormant < 1233249392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 years of no dev, IIRC) < 1233249409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would make me rule it out probably < 1233249424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could have it as well. just a cfelk plugin < 1233249433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dynamically loaded) < 1233249439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just rewrite the whole thing in Scheme, to be honest. :-P < 1233249473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the core too? hah, well the code is old in parts, there is stuff in common/porting.c that even Lovecraft would avoid writing about. < 1233249604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is there any way from inside python to ask python what it thinks about reference count of objects? < 1233249604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe so, let me find it in the library reference < 1233249604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm even better would be: if the GC thinks it can see a specific pointer in C < 1233249604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://python.org/doc/2.6/library/gc.html < 1233249604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh I looked there just a second ago *re-reads* < 1233249609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get_referrers/get_referents is probably what you want < 1233249635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1233249639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly indeed < 1233249667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: note: python does freaky shit to handle circular references. < 1233249678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233249678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some of them, might wanna look there. < 1233249702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have it, but that recursive dump above was over 800 lines long < 1233249766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: name 'Crossfire_Time' is not defined < 1233249767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1233249772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is supposed to be a module? < 1233249797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I need to import it in the line too < 1233249799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233249807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: make a script < 1233249810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check for circular references < 1233249819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., walk the recdict tree, remembering every object you see < 1233249823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see one again, print it < 1233249910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233249915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result of gc.get_referrers made no sense < 1233249919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call PyRun_SimpleString("import pprint, gc, Crossfire_Time\npprint.pprint(gc.get_referrers(Crossfire_Time))\n") < 1233249923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be correct? < 1233249957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to return a list of many modules instead of "who is holding a reference to the PyModuleObject for Crossfire_Time < 1233250011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does http://rafb.net/p/0gPG5U88.html make any sense to you? < 1233250036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think that means that Crossfire_Time imports all those modules, directly or indirectly. < 1233250042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you want referrents < 1233250053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm *reads docs again* < 1233250085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only lists what the module contains... < 1233250103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrug
< 1233250105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try #python? < 1233250118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I will after I debug this some more first < 1233250164 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233250166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233250205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some way to say "don't ever try to garbage collect this stuff because there is C side stuff you don't know about, so GC should just ignore this"? < 1233250234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1233250243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if talking about python < 1233250247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233250271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for AnMaster to ask what it is
< 1233250278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what is it? < 1233250288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW SHOULD I KNOW NOT HAVING GC IS A RETARDED IDEA < 1233250299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for asking < 1233250311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1233250326 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-60-80.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233250347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1233250349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's python < 1233250352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you have to ask < 1233250358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import gc, help(gc) < 1233250368 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1233250402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I mean from the C Embedding API point of view < 1233250491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'm not actually sure you can ignore only some objects. < 1233250534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you, AnMaster < 1233250541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to fit your freeing to python's gc < 1233250622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well the issue is it is freeing something that is used from C code. just increasing reference count doesn't work, then python thinks there is a bug due to a missing decrease: < 1233250627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossfire-server: Modules/gcmodule.c:277: visit_decref: Assertion `gc->gc.gc_refs != 0' failed. < 1233250635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what you're meant to do. < 1233250639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to set up a proper reference < 1233250657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well there is a proper reference to this object inside the dict of the Crossfire module < 1233250668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a reference it won't be freed. < 1233250955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well following from the top module through the dict, using gdb, seems to indicate there is a reference there < 1233250977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that is actually freed then python should certainly have decreased reference count by one? < 1233251034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is a crazy line: print *(PyDictObject*)(((PyModuleObject*)CrossfireModule).md_dict) < 1233251034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233251053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes all show up as PyObject, but they are really the other ones basically < 1233251067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and if that is actually freed then python should certainly have decreased reference count by one? < 1233251068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what python does is like manual union < 1233251074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure. < 1233251077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask #python. < 1233251080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233251090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches the internet first
< 1233251129 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1233252246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: oh sir if that works and i hadn't thought of it, i love you. < 1233252381 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233252423 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1233253935 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233254518 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233256249 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233256819 0 :monu!n=meesum@210.212.55.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233256830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: demonstrate yourself. < 1233256831 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i could just not claw/ bite the network cable... they waxed the floors here and then think they have the same problem < 1233256865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!runs brainfuck too < 1233256866 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs brainfuck too < 1233256868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (and underload)S < 1233256869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and underload < 1233256871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1233256871 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1233256876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256881 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256883 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233256885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256887 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233256888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a no please? < 1233256890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256891 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233256897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst. PRNG. Evar/ < 1233256898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1233256899 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1233256901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1233256906 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice randomness < 1233256910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^stylr < 1233256911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1233256912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233256913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233256916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1233256916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1233256918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a < 1233256919 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and now how much of human suffering i fnord only relieved, but actually fnord!" her husband uneasily replied. " it would be fnord of entertainment!" the professor suggested. " a lady never knows on which side he will jump down. < 1233256982 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord the fnord game fnord < 1233257048 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg I heard u like fnord so I put a fnord in your fnord so you can fnord while you fnord < 1233257108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lady never knows on which side he will jump down. < 1233257214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a statement about sex changes/ < 1233257229 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg I herd yo dawg likes yoyos so I put a dog in a y if your brother worked on the civ 2 team < 1233257233 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1233257237 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong copypasta < 1233257251 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disregard this, it is meaningless. < 1233257263 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fungot ? < 1233257263 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: " there's more evidence to come yet, please your majesty," said sylvie. < 1233257275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: a bot. < 1233257278 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure ? < 1233257279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot written in befunge. < 1233257280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233257287 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i know that :P < 1233257288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233257297 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: u just told me < 1233257302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so i did. < 1233257321 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot an animal ? < 1233257322 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: 30. sometimes the conclusion, offered to us, with much pride, the handle of it caught her under the chin, and, in the course of the evening." < 1233257355 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fungot ? < 1233257356 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: " but it's the wrong street. that's where we've made our mistake! our best plan, now, did you? < 1233257381 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1233257396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's a mineral < 1233257397 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: though the barrister tried to appeal to its pride, and vainly proceeded to fnord his attention. < 1233257454 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot a storyteller ? < 1233257455 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: ' i know they're talking nonsense,' alice thought. still, she couldn't make out what it could possibly be. but lady muriel seemed to take it quite as a matter of course that doesn't do unless children are healthy: i quite allow that. well, well!' said alice, looking about in great fnord, that seemed to exist in the air a weary and wandering sigh then sounded like " fnord!" < 1233257466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: to a degree < 1233257468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a markov chain < 1233257469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233257470 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233257478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it's spewing lewis caroll, feel free to change that. < 1233257484 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1233257488 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1233257502 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot forgets, he doesnt remember ... < 1233257503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: alice did not like shaking hands with either of them first, for fear of hurting my feelings). " you're nothing but a bottle of ink, and when he urged " for fnord sake: ' the nights are very damp!" < 1233257519 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1233257519 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1233257522 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yey < 1233257524 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233257526 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i began to try to thrust all that into the lead section's image: we haven't even explained heredity and variation yet, so great was his power." i suggest we begin to doubt the fnord as we called him, the reason for this? < 1233257627 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1233257627 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1233257649 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233257650 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: going against th fnord of society in the quest for fnord beauty" by pointing to frth :) thanks again!) but with none of the stories are about robots. < 1233257691 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglasadams < 1233257697 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233257819 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233257820 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: financial loss from feeding it anyway. < 1233257883 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233257897 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :financial ? < 1233257911 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233257911 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: local person the question " how is a named-let different from a let that binds the variables it binds in their scope so functions bound to them so strong that you need anything lower-level than syntax-rules.) < 1233257958 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sayonara fungot < 1233257958 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monu: after tusho writes a proposal that allows players to donate points, by creating a continuation at some other time < 1233257980 0 :monu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233258205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw: I found and fixed the issue < 1233258227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the fix seems wrong... and disagree with the documentation. < 1233258230 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use fungot daily? < 1233258231 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: funet does, bash doesn't have, and that i'm not a wolf. you communicate by howling, but i'm doing sicp exercise 1.22 and wondering whether it just does < 1233258241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo, uh? < 1233258271 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a question. A question is the kind of thing you can answer. < 1233258373 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where the "i'm not a wolf. you communicate by howling" thing came from. < 1233258413 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1233258413 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1233258418 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233258419 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: a player becomes sitting. a zombie may not < 1233258426 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233258427 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: an office is not impaired by contradiction between the announcement the scorekeepor. the < 1233258683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233258684 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora* alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233258690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1233258691 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1233258692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi < 1233258695 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, a few members of a national side of the house to go back on what is being proposed for the reserved sector and the right of the presumption of guilt of terrorism for any person going through a period of 10 years for revision. i have several questions to the greek authorities, which includes ' pre-emptive strikes', such as poverty, public servants being unable to cope with the new initiatives for employme < 1233258706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233258798 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, interesting, isn't it, fungot? < 1233258798 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the third aspect concerns the role of the joint research centre. as you will be informed of the progress made should not be underestimated. < 1233258814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa < 1233258815 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics) < 1233258822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233258824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ? < 1233258825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because i hate myself. and when you do play, it's like a copyright infringement kit. you want in on some of this stuff is actually really tasteful. < 1233258832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1233258833 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1233258836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fungot < 1233258837 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ' it says " fnord!" that fnord is fnord to me is my fnord' doggie than a dozen sic' as thou! and through and through me without seeing me. " this is harder than fnord!" thundered the vice-warden. < 1233258841 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style xkcd :>? < 1233258841 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1233258847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233258848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233258850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the ones that exisgt < 1233258852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exist* < 1233258852 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1233258861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1233258861 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1233258862 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like to see an xkcd one :D < 1233258875 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233258875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you transcribe the comics+ < 1233258876 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: ( ( closest to)) did we look at how the people over < 1233258876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233258882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, huh? < 1233258883 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you too how are you oh okay oh)) someone and they called him i think < 1233258892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1233258893 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^stylp wp < 1233258895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember < 1233258900 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1233258901 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1233258905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1233258906 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look here fnord/ fnord/ tco/ fnord < 1233258909 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk:, eh? < 1233258910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233258912 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.ohnorobot.com/index.pl?comic=56&s=test&search=Search < 1233258913 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: :-( < 1233258913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, poke < 1233258914 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: how come this section is about violence that has occurred at the beginning and end of each title's description, there is still a paramount pa., age 1) and ruby j. wilson ( born n.y., age 8). < 1233258914 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this article. < 1233258917 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A man sits at a computer connected through a wall to another computer.]] < 1233258917 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURING TEST EXTRA CREDIT: CONVINCE THE EXAMINER THAT HE'S A COMPUTER. / Man: You know, you make some really good points. I'm ... not even sure who I am anymore. < 1233258917 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{Title Text: Hit Turing right in the test-ees.}} < 1233258921 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough for me < 1233258930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233258936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1233258937 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1233258959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, To be or not to be (a markov chain) < 1233258961 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gon. not since widdow dido's time to counsaile thee that art to me, and ile not wish thee to a shrew'd ill-fauour'd wife? thou'dst thanke me but a little, comfort a little, and legion himself possessed him, yet he talkes well, but that i am < 1233259033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh < 1233259034 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: richard. then, heaven, i love thee well; and, by my faith, this league that we haue giuen thee faces of the groomes withall, for it is not that a good word < 1233259051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1233259051 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1233259064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hu < 1233259064 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or even smalltalk ( see squeak) smalltalk to find that out. < 1233259065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi* < 1233259903 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1233259989 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borland C++ Builder 5.0's license doesn't allow the user freedom of use for compiled files :-( < 1233260000 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1233260018 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1233260037 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-127-13.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233260118 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: use a real compiler? < 1233260197 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the openbsd team should do a cc hackathon < 1233260313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, "cc hackathon"? < 1233260314 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ewih < 1233260320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hackathon. On C compilers. < 1233260324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a difficult concept? :P < 1233260326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just use g++, or icc < 1233260332 0 :ewih!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1233260336 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is huge a bloated < 1233260343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: clang? < 1233260354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonable license, advancing quickly, not bloated, etc. < 1233260355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, clang didn't codegen C++ last I looked < 1233260359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1233260362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the future. < 1233260367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a solution today, for the future, sure < 1233260388 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not even a real compiler < 1233260395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1233260396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-2.6-pydebug/home/anmaster/src/python/Python-2.6.1/Modules < 1233260398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1233260401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a real compiler need REAL MEN working on it or something, bsmntbombdood? < 1233260402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1233260406 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles to some virtual machine < 1233260411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1233260417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM compiles to native code. < 1233260431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm incredibly surprised you haven't heard of it; it has a lot of backing. < 1233260458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised you didn't read the main text on llvm.org, it says "llvm can be a static compiler" < 1233260460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1233260532 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dumb < 1233260541 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a classic, unix, cc < 1233260546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse is better < 1233260559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is worse is better < 1233260559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233260573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dismissing it as "dumb" after you just hear of it is, um, dumb. < 1233260582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with ehird here
< 1233260595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you like it that way just use tcc or pcc < 1233260608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcc is very fast because the only optimising it does is constant folding < 1233260612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lllllllllllllllllllvm < 1233260630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, that wasn't very zen I'm afraid < 1233260643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was very zen < 1233260645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't zen < 1233260661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make it zen < 1233260666 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whacks AnMaster with a stick
< 1233260671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are right ehird < 1233260677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dodges
< 1233260693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses Kung-fu on lament
< 1233260709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you need an Oerjan-Approved A Grade IRC User Swatter from Oerjancorp. < 1233260710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undodgable. < 1233260724 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will simply use my Zen skills. < 1233260726 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meditates
< 1233260733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is a busted myth < 1233260743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. mythbusters are corporate drones. < 1233260750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjancorp is a non-profit. despite the name. < 1233260764 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporate drones armed with guided missiles! < 1233260776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind! < 1233260791 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a zen compiler < 1233260794 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compile haskell to haskell < 1233260800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1233260805 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ommmm < 1233261337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1233261337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.03.18:06:15:42 noweach, lopoda, nopol implementation, oklotalk, nestor < 1233261340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1233261344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. you've had nopol since 2007 < 1233261348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy bum-ass < 1233261593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that fucking K has almost all advantages of oklotalk... how dare it < 1233261808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i don't remember what lopoda was... < 1233261903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noweach was one sick language, it was a cellular automaton kinda thing, except you could also refer to current state, so it was kinda constraint programming with an infinite datastructure < 1233261904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233261922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my madness is probably decreasing :| < 1233262038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wow noweach sounds fun < 1233262041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the syntax? < 1233262059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i don't recall < 1233262078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something with a lot of < brackets. < 1233262081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*<> < 1233262365 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I give up with C++ Builder. Is GCC a big download? < 1233262382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source or binary? < 1233262401 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary < 1233262426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platform? < 1233262430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows? < 1233262493 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only want to compile one thing, then I'll probably never use it again < 1233262493 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like C < 1233262493 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1233262510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW is around 200M when installed, for me < 1233262555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I think I've got ada and objective-c there as well, along with some third party libraries possibly < 1233262581 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,4M gcc-part-c++-4.3.0-20080502-2-mingw32-alpha-bin.tar.gz < 1233262581 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,8M gcc-part-core-4.3.0-20080502-2-mingw32-alpha-bin.tar.gz < 1233262606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess around 15-20M for everything if you need C++, 10-15 if only C < 1233262622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: but VC++ might be easier to get working < 1233262665 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I'll download next month :-) < 1233262665 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bandwidth limit is close! < 1233262711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You poor common law countries and your bandwidth limits < 1233262750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (∼R∈R∘.×R)/R←1↓⍳R < 1233262752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdya write that in j < 1233262765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing life? < 1233262773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1233262776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a prime number finder < 1233262783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1233262783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is a bit longer :-P < 1233262791 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1233262796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice that or so < 1233262798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: about 50-60 chars < 1233262813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.catpad.net/michael/APLLife.gif < 1233262815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the whole thing that long? < 1233262828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's a different one < 1233262899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the video I linked to? < 1233262904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of spread over multiple lines tbh < 1233262912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even with the infrastructure it was still ~60 chars < 1233262924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd type it now if I had an APL keyboard :-P < 1233262939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks shorter to me < 1233262941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me count < 1233262961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 < 1233262970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it uses anything < 1233262976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1233262978 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a matrix and outputs the next state < 1233262990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: It creates a new generation of coding bums." < 1233262991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one link to specific points in youtube videos < 1233262992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Dijkstra < 1233263001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: #NmMs < 1233263003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. #4m33s < 1233263007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end < 1233263013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that and it doesn't seem to work < 1233263026 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4#4m23s anyway < 1233263087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, ok then < 1233264170 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-139.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233264529 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be #/4m23s < 1233264544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1233264698 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-44.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233264930 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4#t=4m23s < 1233264946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, t= < 1233265436 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1233265654 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233265712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa < 1233266337 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-19.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233267162 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233267316 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1233267553 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. #t=4m23s doesn't work when first loading the web-page in Google Chrome, but when stepping back or forward in browser-history it jumps to the correct time. < 1233267595 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v1.0.154.43... just saw that there is a newer version < 1233267738 0 :yoR!n=Roy@075-039-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1233267801 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all < 1233267837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233267864 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The 'bug' in bf languages still exists ;-) < 1233267870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug? < 1233267873 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in anarchy golf) < 1233267892 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'feature' that allows cheating/using the codespace < 1233267905 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi yoR :-) < 1233267917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233267919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work again < 1233268052 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[+<] < 1233268062 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This finds the last instruction of your program itself < 1233268069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233268477 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently writing my first self-made-esolang-interpreter < 1233268501 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I aleady made subleq and bf interpreters, I created my own language this time < 1233268699 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"TooTiredException" < 1233268879 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made another bf interpreter last night in 8086 asm < 1233269002 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have too much time impy ;) < 1233269088 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not enough time! < 1233269909 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1233270291 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233270547 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233270550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OMG OMG OMG < 1233270551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J IS NOT PURE < 1233270555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cannot handle huge numbers :'( < 1233270557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 69999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999 < 1233270560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999699 < 1233270565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :999999999999999999999996999999999999999999999999969999999999999999999999999 < 1233270567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1233270751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lament: you need an Oerjan-Approved A Grade IRC User Swatter from Oerjancorp. < 1233270764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes with a free fly simulator! < 1233270795 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lastest version of MS* < 1233270804 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS' Fly simulator* < 1233270859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1233270875 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233270882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free demonstration < 1233270887 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to dodge, but fails miserably
< 1233270988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes the swatter is on fire and dips it in water
< 1233271003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a risk with fireflies < 1233271031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be especially careful with greek fireflies, as water doesn't work on greek fire < 1233271069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately this one was swedish. they practically fly into the swatter by themselves. < 1233271141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is a myth it is dodge proof < 1233271185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swatter is sweeped in many myths < 1233271187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AnMaster thinks the swatter is dodge proof. this is because he has no brain. < 1233271187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dodges successfully
< 1233271192 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233271196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows it's dodgeproof. < 1233271203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing a line on IRC saying you dodge post-swatting doesn't change that. < 1233271211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1233271225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does since he swatted by typing a line on irc too < 1233271234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: especially when you're not actually being swatted < 1233271300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the swatter is dodgeproof but not foolproof (there's always a better fool). therefore AnMaster can dodge it. < 1233271324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233271353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he dodges it but it still hits him < 1233271580 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not greek, just a geek < 1233271621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1233271693 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they practically fly into the swatter by themselves." :< < 1233271796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: gee < 1233271813 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233271863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you reek? < 1233271885 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reek? ;o < 1233271938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you reek of leek all the week? < 1233271962 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to involve 'cheek' too < 1233271966 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me how < 1233271974 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having math homework for tomorrow, but boolean algebra seems more interesting < 1233272058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else seeming more interesting is normal. the strange thing is that it is still math... < 1233272115 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things we currently do is a bit.. basic :< < 1233272126 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, are* < 1233272402 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233272565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does a real compiler need REAL MEN working on it or something, bsmntbombdood? < 1233272597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. real women and real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri can also be utilized. < 1233272741 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1233272827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i have boolean algebra on a course atm < 1233272835 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233272848 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have it in another two years < 1233272852 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some, I think < 1233272857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what institution? < 1233272933 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, well, I don't know the english term, but I'm only in the 'gymnasium' atm < 1233272945 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the american equalient is high school, but I'm not sure :\ < 1233272998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how old are you < 1233273004 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 years old < 1233273017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high school yeah < 1233273018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gymnasium is where everyone runs around naked. at least that's the original meaning. < 1233273032 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1233273087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: then are you sure you mean boolean algebra and not like, say, digital logic? < 1233273111 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, but I found what they talked about on some discrete math course interesting < 1233273117 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend linked a video < 1233273125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the difference is all that crucial, i'm just very jealous if it's actual boolean algebra. < 1233273136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's first exposure to boolean algebra was from his father's digital logic book
< 1233273162 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know that we have a course called "descrete mathematics" in year 3 (me being in year 1 now) < 1233273215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. i think we had something like that too < 1233273237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course by second year i was so fed up with the system i couldn't really enjoy even the nice courses. < 1233273239 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just watched http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2965569821331370765 <-- and that seems interesting < 1233273260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hated it so much i cannot stop ranting about how much of a waste it was. < 1233273325 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder why i^-i = e^(pi/2) :\ < 1233273325 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lol" < 1233273341 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"raise Hand, 'wave'" < 1233273357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the average age in here is < 1233273366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i = e^(i*pi/2) < 1233273376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the few really old (:P) people and the few really young people mess up the balance < 1233273409 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, me, MigoMipo and BeholdMyGlory being 16 propably takes the average age down a bit < 1233273413 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 34, so I guess I'm with the few really old people! < 1233273422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i doubt that. < 1233273437 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course, there's a lot of people in here < 1233273444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 38 < 1233273451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 42 < 1233273459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol -----###
< 1233273460 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, magic number < 1233273466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR < 1233273473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, me, MigoMipo and BeholdMyGlory being 16 propably takes the average age down a bit < 1233273474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*18 < 1233273476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, typo < 1233273480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233273483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*19 < 1233273485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual error < 1233273487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No, you're near the average : < 1233273488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233273489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = 13
< 1233273499 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233273507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka is I think 11 or 12, but his status as an intelligent being is... debatable. < 1233273542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he's more like a bot. < 1233273557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad bot < 1233273560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna make a bot that uses a simple hand-woven conlang < 1233273565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1233273570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't have to parse english < 1233273575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for lojban, I mean then people will actually be able to understand it < 1233273576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without learning it < 1233273578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more impressive < 1233273580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more interested in mimicing being social < 1233273587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mvldo! :P < 1233273610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could maybe do lojban minus gismu. < 1233273614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gismu < 1233273614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233273626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking you'd teach real life concepts to it yourself < 1233273627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1233273630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gismu are root words < 1233273633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1233273797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably i'd go for a simpler language. < 1233273815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, more mathy. < 1233273829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer to Absolute Fundamental semantics < 1233273830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233273846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers a certain moment of madness
< 1233273882 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++[>+++++++<-]>++.+. < 1233273882 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 < 1233273898 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is A XOR B = (A+B)(¬(AB)) ? < 1233273981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1233273990 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1233274002 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mananged to do the basics < 1233274004 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1233274005 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>* < 1233274028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ¬(AB) = ¬A + ¬B < 1233274285 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yeah < 1233274293 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I'd better sleep < 1233274299 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until tomorrow < 1233274300 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or < 1233274305 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later today, actually < 1233274313 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1233274331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy. < 1233274349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sell! < 1233274727 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233275416 0 :yoR!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233276495 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233276500 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233277816 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233278767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heys < 1233278816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haze < 1233278990 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233279096 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233279096 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233279110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233279188 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive rewriting my interp for AntiGravity < 1233279211 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233279571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes insane
< 1233279593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall try to port it to python 3 while keeping it working under python 2 < 1233279607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the C API differs a lot < 1233279740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's - not recommended. < 1233280071 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233280113 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233280303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, going insane? < 1233280337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, one of the devs use debian stable, if we didn't support both it would take like 5 years before we could upgrade! < 1233280361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, trying to make something both Python 2 and 3 < 1233280372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well the C module, not the python code < 1233280383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, for the code you could just use 2to3 < 1233280384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233280395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so for the C code embedding python < 1233280407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/3.0/howto/cporting.html#cporting-howto < 1233280449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was thinking you were going for a complete polyglot. at least that would be the properly insane thing. < 1233280465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, impossible for the C API < 1233280477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as for that, it is just avoiding "print" and a few other things < 1233280493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2to3 shows that is basically one of the few changes < 1233280676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/local/python-3.0-dbg/lib PYTHON_HOME=/home/arvid/local/python-3.0-dbg ~/local/python-3.0-dbg/bin/2to3 *.py < 1233280676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefactoringTool: Skipping implicit fixer: buffer < 1233280676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefactoringTool: Skipping implicit fixer: idioms < 1233280676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefactoringTool: Skipping implicit fixer: set_literal < 1233280676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefactoringTool: Skipping implicit fixer: ws_comma < 1233280677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RefactoringTool: No files need to be modified. < 1233280680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some files < 1233280687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it could still break < 1233282440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1233282952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233283833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a man from Man-Fuck-Dick, < 1233283833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose horse enjoyed when he sucked it, < 1233283833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His limericks reversed, < 1233283833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humor inversed, < 1233283833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'til the day that he moved to Nantucket. < 1233283936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nantucket? < 1233283971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta-humor FAIL. < 1233284041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta-meta-humor success? < 1233284154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233284154 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233284159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi < 1233284163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233284168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone talk to him? < 1233284177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you do < 1233284178 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't think exists? and all? < 1233284181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1233284191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I need some data to feed into an eliza < 1233284194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233284197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which style < 1233284201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is being descartian today < 1233284202 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmn. first dead fnord family member in years. mother's father died when i was a big php advocate for awhile. not so much < 1233284212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1233284217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mother's father died when i was a big php advocate for awhile" < 1233284219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233284227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes to show < 1233284273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP KILLS PEOPLE < 1233284273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233284275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1233284276 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1233284280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233284282 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the tiles on graves and rotting temples flash like ripples, as earth's gods dance against it; i shall see the dancing forms of the people always represented by the sacred reptiles appeared to be, while the boys were overseas. some fateful mood impelled me to ask for work. < 1233284394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh? < 1233284395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: after a time he became very numb and somnolent, moving more from automatic impulse than from reasoned fnord nor did he neglect a small store of gold for earthly use. < 1233284445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure reasoned fnord is an improvement < 1233286330 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233286340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja < 1233286370 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to add built ins to antigravity to allow for things like IO i think ya < 1233286378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorts of built ins should i have?? < 1233286511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something uplifting < 1233286514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1233286576 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233286712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233286715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplifting huh < 1233286717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good! < 1233286746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "uplift" is occasionally used as a verb to mean "increase the intelligence of some animal to the point of sentience" < 1233286758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an uplifting function would be quite interesting to have! < 1233286783 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, observe as i only now get the pun < 1233286821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a *whoosh* ... but but ... it comes back ... and hits! < 1233286839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233286849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it left a dent in my head! D: < 1233286870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dent do that then < 1233286878 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233286966 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233288631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1233288641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had another idea for something to add to the AntiGravity system < 1233288651 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides types, which i will add eventually < 1233288689 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll also be able to define attributes on the grammatical rules < 1233288714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can not only define new parts of the grammar < 1233288740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll also be able to perform attribute grammar types of computation while parsing < 1233288779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1233288843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1233288846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233290066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233290740 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233292891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233296541 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALK WON'T YOU < 1233296542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233299479 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1233299511 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. oh attribute grammars, shiny ! < 1233299608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: :P < 1233299684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the language itself is actually an unrestricted grammar engine, so it can do things attrgrams cant do, ofcourse. but im considering making the parsing engine capable of handling attrgrams for the potential odd kinds of solutions it might permit < 1233302399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233302400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233303565 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-103-190.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233303673 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhm < 1233303700 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION want to experiment with coupling AGs with LP
< 1233303761 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233303837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antigravity with linear prediction. < 1233303880 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you call it "AntiGravity" ? < 1233304156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just felt like it. < 1233304160 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: linear prediction? < 1233304180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a working name, i think. ill rename it something more nice eventually < 1233304222 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION called a language `contagion', once
< 1233304231 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that name < 1233304252 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only abstraction primitive was anonymous continuations < 1233304261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1233304295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but I've seen AG used as an abbreaviation for antigravity. And linear prediction is a rather fundamental signal processing thing. < 1233304330 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh .. i used `AG' as abbreviation of "Attribute Grammar" < 1233304338 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AG is indeed a standard abbreviation for antigravity < 1233304351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what exactly IS linear prediction < 1233304352 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe that was psygnisfive's point in calling it "AntiGravity", though) < 1233304371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the name preceded the potential use of attribute grammar qualities < 1233304400 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never heard of `AG' as abbreviation of "Anti-Gravity") < 1233304406 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1233304408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233304469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear prediction is just "predict next sample as a linear combination of p earlier samples"; you can use it for statistically modeling signals, and things like that. < 1233304544 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok. < 1233304554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chains. < 1233304750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not really, there are no state transition probabilities involved anywhere. < 1233305029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, in the sense that both could be used for somewhat similar things. Although when modeling a random process, linear prediction is usually called autoregressive modeling. LP is used a lot in things like compressing speech to very low bitrates. The GSM codecs are linear-predictive. < 1233305110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1233305277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fizzie what /other/ built ins should i have? :P < 1233305290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i dont know how i'd incorporate LP < 1233305310 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233305974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1233305975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1233306222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was: eating lunch. < 1233306288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, antigravity was mentioned earlier too. I didn't bother to read the context. < 1233306312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how linear prediction would be related to whatever-it-is-you-were-doing. < 1233306332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233306340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i build in! D: < 1233307241 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just realizes fizzie might have interpreted `LP' as "Linear Prediction"
< 1233307282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, your "AGs with LP" is what made me say what I did. < 1233307294 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feared that :) < 1233307320 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by `LP' i meant "Logic Programming" < 1233307439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski__: regarding logic programming < 1233307456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AG does do some unification stuff, so you might be able to do some LP kind of stuff < 1233307476 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233307479 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233307484 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233307529 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some AG systems statically stage tree traversal in several steps, to compute inherited and synthesized attributes < 1233307530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be elegant like prolog because you'd be building it on top of a non-logical system, and you could only prove truths, not discover truths, i think. < 1233307550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some AG systems"? < 1233307552 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to have a system that allows such static (maybe dynamic, too ..) staging of predicates < 1233307563 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233307592 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realize there were things related to AG that _i_ wasn't making. :P < 1233307618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh < 1233307621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attribute Grammar < 1233307624 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ok :) < 1233307634 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont abbreviate that :P < 1233307640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast not like that < 1233307648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AG = AntiGravity XD < 1233307821 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1233307849 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is a standard abbreviation, in relation to grammars, and programming languages < 1233307861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233307944 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cmon! what should i add to my language as a primitive. < 1233307952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is useful < 1233307967 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations ? < 1233307975 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables ? < 1233307975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do i need to consider for laziness/forced evaluation < 1233307994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cant have continuations, really. or it might be able to but im not sure how. < 1233308000 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does have variables < 1233308001 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might note that i have no idea what you already have in your language) < 1233308004 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233308012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is right now literally just < 1233308069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unrestricted tree rewriting engine with variables in the grammar's rules, and a unification system for pattern matching < 1233308117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really it. the core functionality is math rules, and a rule for substitution of an item in a tree < 1233308145 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give some contrived samples to exemplify what you mean ? < 1233308158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it just ends up looking like haskell. < 1233308159 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233308188 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about giving a BNF, then ? < 1233308216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no real grammar for it either. < 1233308229 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are really only two things that define the language. maybe three. < 1233308235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := is used for definitions. < 1233308252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() define subtrees < 1233308275 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and starting a symbol with a capital defines a syntactic variable < 1233308284 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"programming @ http://tr.im/xey" < 1233308286 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning ? < 1233308300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know what an unrestricted grammar is, right? < 1233308346 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall details .. but i imagine it's a couple or rules with no context-insensitive restriction .. < 1233308370 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its basically just arbitrary rewrite rules < 1233308404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the kind of string you replace can look like anything < 1233308417 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. abc -> def < 1233308429 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you replace trees instead of strings < 1233308439 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume you have congruence) < 1233308446 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congruence? < 1233308482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important part is, if you know what an unrestricted grammar is, just imagine the rules that can have variables in them < 1233308497 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if `blah' can be rewritten into `bleh', then any tree with `blah' inside it can be rewritten to the same tree with (some) occurance(s) of `blah' exchanged into `bleh' < 1233308517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. abcX -> XXabc where X can be any symbol or tree part < 1233308525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so abcd -> ddabc, etc. < 1233308528 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1233308545 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : aXbXc -> Xd < 1233308545 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233308547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see what you mean < 1233308552 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats fin too < 1233308554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine* < 1233308595 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is btw irritated by the direction the `->' arrow in grammar rules point ..
< 1233308615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense, yes, it has congruence, but its not like a rule blah -> bleh will actually transform that tree, necessarily, because its lazy. < 1233308634 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when i add support for grammars to my LP language, i'll have it point the other direction ..) < 1233308639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you irritated?? < 1233308689 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in `aXbXc -> Xd', the `->' is really a kind of implication .. but it is `Xd' which implies `aXbXc', and not the other way around < 1233308709 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> is not an implication :P < 1233308720 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> is an arrow telling you what gets rewritten as what :P < 1233308738 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it can be interpreted as an implication in an ordered logic < 1233308756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be, and in THAT case you're right < 1233308776 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, imo, is what grammars is all about) < 1233308779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not how rewriting systems are termed < 1233308854 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm .. will you have confluence in your term-rewriting system ? < 1233308866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1233308891 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no that was congruence < 1233308893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats confluence? < 1233308925 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that which rewriting rules you choose in which order doesn't matter for the "end result" < 1233308950 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be several possible rewriting rules you could use to rewrite a term < 1233308966 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say `A' can be rewritten into `B', but also into `C' < 1233309010 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there should be a `D' such that both `B' and `C' will eventually be rewritten into `D' < 1233309030 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there might be some details regarding termination which i forget here, but that's the gist of it) < 1233309075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah no it is ordered because of pattern matching and stuff < 1233309111 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats amongst definitions of "the same function", so to speak < 1233309133 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1233309144 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233309147 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider < 1233309166 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (bar x (baz y z)) < 1233309182 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might rewrite according to `bar' or according to `baz' first < 1233309202 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confluence says that it doesn't matter which you actually do < 1233309258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, im not entirely sure if thats going to happen. i mean, because its pattern matching, you could have a pattern that looks inside another "function application" < 1233309269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you could have a rule bar x y -> z < 1233309288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could also have another pattern foo (bar x y) -> w < 1233309300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1233309304 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233309318 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where like.. if bar x y = 5 < 1233309334 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose another example of confluence is < 1233309344 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foo (bar x y) = 10 < 1233309349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 5 doesnt have to = 10 < 1233309379 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A + (B + C) --> (A + B) + C < 1233309389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1233309399 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 + A --> A < 1233309406 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have < 1233309420 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 + (x + y) < 1233309429 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use either rule first < 1233309440 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1233309478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1233309481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what it is < 1233309490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need some ideas for what primitive rules should exist < 1233309499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. IO and stuff < 1233309519 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since its very purely functional, should i think about monad sorts of things, etc etc < 1233309532 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc, there's five ways to go from `a + (b + (c + d))' to `((a + b) + c) + d' here .. that they are all equal is called the pentagonal law) < 1233309546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233309567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i need to run off to sleep. < 1233309585 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use some kind of unique state for I/O < 1233309588 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like Mercury) < 1233309591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :private message me any ideas that you think would be important to include :p < 1233309605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well IO i can really just implement pretty naively < 1233309608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whether i should or not < 1233309618 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know what you want, so it's hard to say what's important for you < 1233309650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just mean whats important in a usable programming language in general. < 1233309665 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1233309678 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night. <3 < 1233309683 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m, night < 1233319584 0 :blAckEn3d!n=Alex@dslb-088-072-240-251.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233319653 0 :blAckEn3d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233320059 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-167.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233320685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where has ais gone < 1233320685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1233322151 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233322439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well do like ehird and just start coding in it... :D < 1233322440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : god i hate that dood sometimes < 1233322442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (read: "envy") < 1233322447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2008-04-09 < 1233322555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-04-10 04:33:07] < oklopol> ehird is a guy who lives here < 1233322563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233322614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a nice definition for "atom" by oklopol in that log: "a retarded string, somewhat" < 1233322625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1233322634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- is pretty cool. < 1233322646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very... orthogonal < 1233322717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the oklotalk-- source UNLIKE ANYONE ELSE :DD < 1233322746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it even has tests. < 1233322747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck. < 1233322764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Needs to be set quite high because the implementation has the massive < 1233322765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# conceptual defect of not supporting tail recursion in a < 1233322766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# language without any other type of iteration. < 1233322768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.setrecursionlimit(3000) < 1233322770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONCEPTUAL DEFECT < 1233322796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on to that source code, it'll surely be worth millions some day. < 1233322861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# TODO < 1233322861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# standard representation of oklotalk-- object, not implemented < 1233322862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def obj_to_str(a,cxt,depth=0): < 1233322864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return a.call([Atm('get')],"oo",cxt,depth=0).val < 1233322866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1233322917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# store all functions on stack, a function needs to evaluate (to a copy of itself) < 1233322918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# if it is already on stack when called < 1233322919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyn_cls=set([]) < 1233322921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w h a t < 1233322928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Verbose may be helpful when debugging, but prolly not. < 1233322929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbose=False < 1233322961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # jsussiuuidfhsaudfh PRIVMSG #chan ::: < 1233322971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's drunk code < 1233323762 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-26-167.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233324667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (we actually talk about programming stuff once in a while as opposed to just talking about manga and social incompetence) < 1233324671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- 2008-04-10 < 1233325198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreou, the founder of #esoteric, was last here 2008-08-31 < 1233325362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1233327763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233328074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol write my j for m < 1233328074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1233328075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1233328313 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233328359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://love2d.org/screenshot_data/seaotters.png < 1233328360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah what about that stack thing :D < 1233328369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut stack thing < 1233328375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one you linked < 1233328385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# store all functions on stack, a function needs to evaluate (to a copy of itself) < 1233328389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# if it is already on stack when called < 1233328391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyn_cls=set([]) < 1233328395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its from oklotalk-- < 1233328399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1233328400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know it XD < 1233328403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1233328403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1233328408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg hackety redesigned < 1233328432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, just not... in a conventional way < 1233328456 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233328485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also I totally thought of the best way to make oklotalk < 1233328496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like feather but not rly < 1233328519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd let you literally add anything. < 1233328524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even continuations, if it didn't have them. < 1233328527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :litter ally < 1233328537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1233328539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cunt in your asians < 1233328566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did you actually say something < 1233328568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads
< 1233328573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1233328580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good for you < 1233328581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, cunt in your asians < 1233328581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233328595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oklopol will you ever make oklotalk < 1233328596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233328597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want from j < 1233328623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i currently *do not code at all*. so nothing gets done really. < 1233328642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will probably be in a more productive state at some point again. < 1233328675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to do dis in J: < 1233328678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:23 21:07 How would I get all length-two permutations? e.g., 1 2 3 -> 1 1, 1 2, 1 3, 2 1, 2 2, 2 3, 3 1, 3 2, 3 3? < 1233328679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:23 21:07 Specifically, giving each of those permutations as the left-argument of another application < 1233328686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably after my fourth period, if you know what i mean < 1233328725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1233328725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1233329146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,/@:(([,])"0/~)) < 1233329189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't permutations :P < 1233329214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are elements of the cartesian exponentiation < 1233329277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that probably isn't a word, but it should be. < 1233329415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right but < 1233329425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's a way to get that shorter if you're just giving them each to another func < 1233329431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in APL it's liek one char, iirc < 1233329598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:49:01 alternatively, you could put the jewnicode into auschwitz09:49:12 but then you'd be an nascii < 1233329729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe there is, i don't see it. < 1233329735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more sp : | < 1233329736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233329740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiiiit oklopol < 1233329744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-' < 1233329744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I have those permutations < 1233329747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmk < 1233329748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I give them to a funnnnnnnnnnction < 1233329751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1233329771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, if you want to put them in a function, you can just do func/~ list :D < 1233329778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1233329782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be the left argu < 1233329783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ment < 1233329785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the right wun < 1233329799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nope < 1233329800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +/~ 1 2 3 < 1233329801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3 4 < 1233329803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1233329803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 4 5 < 1233329805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 5 6 < 1233329814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not length 2 picks < 1233329815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, then just ,/ it < 1233329820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,/? < 1233329827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,/ 1 2 3 < 1233329827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 < 1233329832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, do you know what / does as monadic < 1233329835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233329843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's err < 1233329845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fold < 1233329849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr < 1233329863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,/ +/~ 1 2 3 < 1233329863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3 4 3 4 5 4 5 6 < 1233329874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does that help me feed all length-2 picks from a list as the left arg into another func < 1233329875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233329907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh as the left arg. then prolly use what i gave you earlier < 1233329945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; i dunno how < 1233329958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ commutes or crosses connections to arguments: x u~ y ↔ y u x . < 1233329962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that helps a bit < 1233329970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out how to do x y z -> z y x < 1233329973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1233329975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1233329975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1233329980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ummmmmmmmmmm < 1233329986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still haven't told me anythign I didn't know. < 1233330027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cartprodapplier =: ((,/@:(([,])"0/~))@[) funtoapply ] < 1233330035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel. < 1233330037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1233330042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've answered your questions. < 1233330054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't claim to have done any more < 1233330055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you give me answers to qs I don't ask :| < 1233330078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((,/@:(([,])"0/~))@[) |. glider) )_1 0 1 < 1233330078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|syntax error < 1233330078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1233330086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp -> < 1233330102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that makes no sense, no wonder it's an erro < 1233330103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1233330105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp -> < 1233330147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use this" < 1233330149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it errors" < 1233330152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"duh, that makes no sense" < 1233330186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you to write (((,/@:(([,])"0/~))@[) |. glider) )_1 0 1? < 1233330247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cartprodapplier =: ((,/@:(([,])"0/~))@[) * ] < 1233330247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 cartprodapplier 5 < 1233330261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is * ] < 1233330282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, I can't exactly believe you that a 2-char thing in APL is that long in j, < 1233330283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply, by left argument < 1233330320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe you should learn j and learn whether it is? < 1233330718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried. < 1233330823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd sing you a song if i was an australian woman, but, well. < 1233330830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: write a muture interp. < 1233330831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KTHx < 1233330845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already started doing one actually < 1233330856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but progress is infinitely slow < 1233330878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well make it faster i wanna try it < 1233330905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;I,;mc,[]{"[]"},=}!!b->"+"+mC1"-"-mC1">"+C1"<"-C1{;X}Wh=mC0=}X??b < 1233330908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that works < 1233330950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/clue.txt < 1233330951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut wut wut < 1233331486 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-52-227.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233331661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you will need a large black cock < 1233331663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[time passes] < 1233331669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/cock/rooster/ < 1233331887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: clue is a language. < 1233331902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howitwurk < 1233331909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on giving certain clues to the interp < 1233331924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1233331928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut about the cise bf < 1233331931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically sets up a recursive procedure based on a bag of functions and examples < 1233331939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1233331941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any , or . < 1233331945 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233331946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'd have to reverse-engineer it again, i don't remember how it works atm < 1233331952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do , and . < 1233331958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's probably just an ioless subset < 1233331962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1233331966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooo < 1233331970 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233331976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bf size in golfscript btw? < 1233331978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does cise work :P < 1233331979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aldo < 1233331980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233331982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look it up < 1233331998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1233332003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Brainfuck+FIXED < 1233332006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise is weird. < 1233332019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.golfscript.com/golfscript/examples.html < 1233332020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not there < 1233332035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the sudoku solver is lolbig < 1233332059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1233332147 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233332157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about constraint programming stuff for cise < 1233332167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already a pretty clear framework where it'd fit < 1233332196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a function consists of actual program logic statements, and certain kinda pattern matching statements < 1233332215 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233332226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pattern matching stuff can be used for certain constraint programming needs too < 1233332290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i haven't thought about the operators yet, but they are completely separate from the imperative stuff, so at least there won't be a charset size issue, unlike with imperative features, where ascii just isn't enough. < 1233332291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233332291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233332294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more sp :< < 1233332342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((((((( < 1233332344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1233332347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j sux at golf < 1233332349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is sooo verbose < 1233332353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'foo' (1!:2) 4 < 1233332374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, omfg < 1233332377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is written in java oklopol < 1233332378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jav < 1233332380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1233332394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it is because I just opened the .jar with java < 1233332396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's j < 1233332398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL :( < 1233333432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233333484 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233334127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233334138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can have a lang with no partial functions without type checking < 1233334143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek, you basically need to stop _|_ < 1233334148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all builtin functions must be total < 1233334150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then like < 1233334151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the y combinator < 1233334153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or f x = f x < 1233334155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be stopped < 1233334155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233334531 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233334859 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233335040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, j actually has oop < 1233335041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1233335054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coclass 'Stack' < 1233335054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : create =: 3 : 'items =: 0 $ 0' < 1233335055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : push =: 3 : '# items =: (< y) , items' < 1233335057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : top =: 3 : '> {. items' < 1233335059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop =: 3 : '# items =: }. items' < 1233335061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : destroy =: codestroy < 1233335063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cocurrent 'base' < 1233335065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1233335067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1233336119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plots language like J, but more golfy for less conventional things
< 1233336191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I figured out how to get the last input in j < 1233336193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-d enter < 1233336199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-d brings up the log, enter puts it in the current line < 1233336203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines up: ctrl-d up enter < 1233336203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1233336357 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233337013 0 :X-Scale!i=email@89-180-72-88.net.novis.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1233337249 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233337738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233337739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders
< 1233337813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233337818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make circular data structs in j :( < 1233338465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a useless language < 1233338470 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all best things in life are circular < 1233338523 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like balls? < 1233338722 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233338782 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of balls : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers2/balls.gif < 1233340354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl < 1233340355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1233340359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make circular data structs in j < 1233340520 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-72.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233340563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if I should make my variation lazy < 1233341377 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233341814 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233341907 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233341990 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've created a new page for Redcode on the Esoteric Languages Wiki, http://tr.im/dpty < 1233342036 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233342088 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the wiki didn't have a redcode page? < 1233342192 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233342373 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :-( < 1233342399 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233342403 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on the language list, but no page. I've added some basics to begin with < 1233342408 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you play corewars? < 1233342443 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and also do some programming in redcode < 1233342451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he's played corewars since 1993 IIRC < 1233342499 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: is it fun? Has the state-of-the-art progressed since the 80s? < 1233342515 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About that :-) < 1233342577 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun, but slow at the moment. There's a history at http://corewar.co.uk/history.htm which give brief details of what's happened each year < 1233342639 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, there's been a new standard, there's now various online tournaments with instantaneous results, and new techniques keep getting invented. < 1233342709 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several irregular newsletters too, http://corewar.co.uk/journals.htm < 1233342741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233342761 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233343927 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-42-212.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233344007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: a new standard? When was that? < 1233344099 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1233344100 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, since the 80s :-P < 1233344117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping something had happened in, say, the past two years that I wasn't aware of < 1233344782 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233345605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> iterateUntilStable (\(x,y) -> (x+y,y/2)) (1,0.5) < 1233345605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.0,0.0) < 1233345609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct for all the wrong reasons. < 1233346533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1233346566 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant cw standards = 1986, 1988 and 1994 < 1233346576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233346783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yep, I was hoping for something after 94 :-) < 1233346841 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need for a new standard < 1233346846 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although opcodes for character input / output have been added < 1233349225 0 :alex89ru!n=kw@hbrn-5f716e16.pool.einsundeins.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233349366 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-75.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233349587 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1233350088 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1233350088 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1233352558 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233352578 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233353014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last xkcd... surreal... < 1233353076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fun hobbit joke in iwc today! < 1233353213 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233353213 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233353217 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233353217 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233353785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? < 1233353794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mathematically correct, but i only get that result because floating point is inaccurate. < 1233353803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Getting it properly would involve infinite computation.) < 1233354262 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone got any really old corewar stuff? I'm building a big online archive < 1233354306 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there's lots of stuff that used to be online, but has now disappeared. < 1233354329 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same seems to go for some other Esolang stuff :-( < 1233354390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/ < 1233354391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look ther < 1233354392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1233354395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for eso archive < 1233354402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can give you access there < 1233354403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233354405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there might be stuff. < 1233354412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the duckling thing? < 1233354416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I might, somewhere, but I think it's all from corewar.co.uk anyway < 1233354418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lolled so hard :D < 1233354418 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, looking < 1233354419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes < 1233354423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, same < 1233354425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: isn't that impomatic's site? :P < 1233354429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surrealistic still < 1233354436 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know < 1233354439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's the SHC. < 1233354441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small duckling collider. < 1233354441 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I should have all of the corewar.co.uk stuff! :-) < 1233354443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. it's like "oh my god would that work" < 1233354448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1233354449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, my point was that it's on the 'Net anyway < 1233354449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDC. < 1233354451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: :-) < 1233354470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? <-- can't find that in scrollback, about when is it from? < 1233354478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? < 1233354481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee quote towerrrrrrrrrrr < 1233354485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1233354491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? < 1233354498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: it's the SHC. <-- fun! < 1233354506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1233354512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need two streams < 1233354514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opposite < 1233354520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233354526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xkcd comic is incorrect < 1233354532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1233354535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would look for their mother, thus randomly swirl < 1233354540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then colliding into a central singularity < 1233354546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1233354549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they don't want to stray too far from each other < 1233354558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the higgs boson... < 1233354561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, nevermind < 1233354576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233354585 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we discussing SCIENCE? < 1233354596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: We're discussing making ducks hit together. < 1233354599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as science. < 1233354603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: all joking aside, what if they were circling some kinda circular circularity? that is, if they could only see the duckling before them < 1233354620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh cool < 1233354625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, the front one wouldn't go to the last one < 1233354625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgs boson probably wouldn't appear, because the circle couldn't get smaller < 1233354627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd try to find its mother < 1233354631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would they continue? < 1233354634 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Minus webpages have disappeared, hopefully I'll find them in the archive < 1233354636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: umm < 1233354638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd swirl around and probably turn back < 1233354641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing everything to collide. < 1233354649 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something else too which I noticed had gone. Not ever in the internet archive :-( < 1233354651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it know someone didn't just overtake it? < 1233354658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they're retarded animals. < 1233354659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1233354671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it would realize something happened < 1233354685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have exception handling? < 1233354701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if they get confused, they're also likely to hit themselves together < 1233354730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a technicality, what if you just managed to start the loop some other way, say with simultaneously removing blindfolds and having them circulating using somekinda machinery already, so they'd think they were already following the next duckling < 1233354753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im talking about what the comic did < 1233354754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233354754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ continuation to what i said last, not what you said < 1233354761 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233354787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, blindfolds? Think that would work? < 1233354806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if each can't see the colour of it's own blindfold! < 1233354815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is something would, given a lab environment. < 1233354837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if you just bashed them together with your hands < 1233354840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they would bash them together < 1233354844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, fuck hypotheticals < 1233354847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the comic's situation < 1233354878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about making a fake duck "backend" and mount it on one of the ducklings? < 1233354880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i care about the loop, not how it's started; i'm not sure what bashing has to do with that < 1233354883 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233354893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, true < 1233354898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess it's very hypothetical, therefore similar to my point of view. < 1233354904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IT'S A LIE < 1233354905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi! IWC rocked today < 1233354913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't tell me < 1233354917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so did xkcd! < 1233354929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that < 1233354954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indeed, removing a *duckling* from the cycle probably won't confuse the first one, it'd just go for the next on in the queue < 1233354975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, assuming you want the loop to be autonomous at some point < 1233354978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think dmm should really stop with this bad hob^Whabbit of his. < 1233354990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know what ducklings do if one of them happens to, say, die < 1233354991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' < 1233355001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m assuming they don't care < 1233355003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um? ok < 1233355017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, duck graveyards? < 1233355025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, was that elephant graveyards? < 1233355037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, today was hobbit pun day? < 1233355054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1233355058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no spoiler! < 1233355064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1233355075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you started it < 1233355076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, IWC! < 1233355084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no that was a typo ;P < 1233355086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ < 1233355089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ^ < 1233355094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't believe you < 1233355109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fun fact: I don't believe me either about that < 1233355120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that < 1233355126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I don't < 1233355129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you do < 1233355135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't < 1233355158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do! < 1233355163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233355174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1233355181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since not believing myself is a paradox < 1233355185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be impossible < 1233355199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if I don't believe myself I can't believe that I don't believe myself either < 1233355202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a paradox < 1233355213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you haven't heard about the concept of "lies" < 1233355235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have heard about it, but I haven't understood it < 1233355241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it makes no sense < 1233355242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1233355249 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233355324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw I have to ask you a thing, have you heard the name "Joseph Martin Kraus" before? < 1233355340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i recall < 1233355360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very weak bell may be ringing < 1233355373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, not internationally known I guess. Famous Swedish composer. 1756-1792 < 1233355469 0 :alex89ru!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Verlassend" < 1233355504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous swedish composers only really rings one bell with me. although it's a big bell, man. < 1233355580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ? < 1233355585 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone heard of TWINC, TWo INstruction Computer? :-) < 1233355603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your pun detector needs a good polishing < 1233355625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, even after you said there was a pun I'm unable to detect it < 1233355638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last two words < 1233355644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233355644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233355645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH < 1233355655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about Johan Helmich Roman then? < 1233355662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bell there < 1233355677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1694-1758 < 1233355683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Helmich_Roman < 1233355700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Martin_Kraus < 1233355963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you get http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ today? < 1233355990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Steganographic" < 1233355991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it < 1233355994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just logged on, don't expect me to have read any webcomics < 1233356004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233356021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233356025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffimg solved < 1233356026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was some steganography discussed in the forums, this may be the result of that < 1233356027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve it < 1233356034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget the original < 1233356043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget the changed one < 1233356043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1233356044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: famous swedish composers only really rings one bell with me. although it's a big bell, man. <<< awesome < 1233356045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233356052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffimg 0034.png ga980112.gif > diff.png < 1233356055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bows
< 1233356068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed great when I found it < 1233356098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if it had been audio communication it would have been obvious < 1233356117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wrote a diffvideo script once :P < 1233356127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, wow < 1233356132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, link? < 1233356155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the garfield thing even though i know what steganography is. < 1233356169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I got it now < 1233356170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233356194 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never published it, one sec I can throw it somewhere. < 1233356204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, just download the original (linked at the bottom) and square root one < 1233356210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then diff them < 1233356215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, using diffimg or such < 1233356221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's a total of 118 lines :P < 1233356245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1233356252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I don't actually have any idea what diffimg is, I assume it just produces an image that is the pixel-per-pixel difference of two images? < 1233356270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like R2 - R1, G2 - G1, B2 - B1) < 1233356274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no need, i can read that without diffinh. < 1233356276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diffing < 1233356377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? < 1233356378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastebin.ca/1323168 and http://pastebin.ca/1323170 < 1233356389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what what? < 1233356393 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1233356398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strip behind garfield. < 1233356405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, I don't actually have any idea what diffimg is, I assume it just produces an image that is the pixel-per-pixel difference of two images? <-- no, it produces a black and white image, black for differences < 1233356417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :white for unchanged < 1233356419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well that's even simpler than what I wrote :P < 1233356437 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even ignoring the image-vs-video thing) < 1233356452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both it's much more work opening the pic files than the actual computation < 1233356463 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh :P < 1233356473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on language < 1233356478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C certainly yes < 1233356479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just map a==b over the zip of the arrays < 1233356488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C yes, in real languages fuck yeah. < 1233356494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if J has zip < 1233356495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not it should. < 1233356501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on N-dimensional arrays, ofc. < 1233356503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in surreal languages maybe not. < 1233356509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has implicit zip < 1233356516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for arrs of equlength < 1233356516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wat < 1233356518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made mine to get an idea of how much different video compression algorithms eff up the video :P < 1233356522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233356526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1 2 3), (4 5 6) < 1233356526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 < 1233356528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no zip < 1233356529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yes < 1233356539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 1 2 3 + 5 6 7 = 1+5 2+6 3+7 is what i meant < 1233356546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well yeah < 1233356558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1233356559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 3 = 1 5 3 < 1233356560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 0 1 < 1233356560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, has infinite rank, it won't zip evah < 1233356565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233356576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this works great if just about everything is a number subtype. < 1233356579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including pixels. < 1233356587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mark them as 0xFFFFFF or w/e, ofc. < 1233356592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 (,"0) 4 5 6 <<< but you can change rank manually < 1233356594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, y'know, then the program is just < 1233356602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as far as computer cares, everything *IS* numbers < 1233356605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dump image (load image 1 = load image 2) < 1233356606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tadaaaaaaaaaaa < 1233356615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: umm yeah except that's totally irrelevant < 1233356618 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233356624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1233356649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the whole diff program is indeed = < 1233356679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if stringifying an image gives a reasonable format of some kind you can omit the dump image < 1233356775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now could someone please explain today's Lightning Made of Owls to me... < 1233356824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233356827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny and i don't get it < 1233356833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just lousy < 1233356858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just meant to be absurd < 1233356882 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks he's still in #esolang
< 1233356899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1233356900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I AM < 1233356908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there aren't save rolls if you're wielding a double-handed weapon < 1233356932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: everything is on topic here except esolangs. the # is logical negation. < 1233356937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in $rpg_mezzacotters_play < 1233356963 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... let me try something :-( < 1233356969 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: am I here now? < 1233356978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is not #esolang. < 1233356981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is #esoteric. < 1233356982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233356984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you are here. < 1233356994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1233357006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, this is where we are not esoteric < 1233357006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn suffixes < 1233357013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain old ppl talking about things < 1233357023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you agree with my joke explanation < 1233357036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's funny in a conventional sense that way. < 1233357077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: when you said you could read the strip behind garfield without diffing, you were lying, right? < 1233357085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was not. < 1233357088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233357099 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're talking comics, http://corewar.co.uk/cwcomics.txt < 1233357109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1233357137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you're not satisfied with me just being superior to humans, i guess i could mention i have a laptop. < 1233357239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh hah < 1233357246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1233357246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, impomatic, i hate you; and now let me elaborate on that, it's less insulting than you think. < 1233357260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I have a TFT with really really wide viewing angle < 1233357284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you've gotten me to desperately want to try both corewars and code golfing. < 1233357319 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay :-) < 1233357320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will take a lot of my time, if i succumb < 1233357334 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're both going to be around a while, no hurry < 1233357364 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they'd add redcode to code golfing, you could kill two birds with one stone < 1233357372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a laptop too although his first attempt to read at an angle failed. will try again.
< 1233357378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Text+Compression/flagitious%28sym%29/1190091541&rb < 1233357380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1233357512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a laptop which ironically never leaves the table < 1233357534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine almost never leaves the house, but it's always in my lap < 1233357566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i sit on my bed 24/7, a bit hard to use a table. < 1233357574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply you almost never leave the house? < 1233357587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had a bit different impression
< 1233357591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would. < 1233357603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only leave the house for uni stuff really < 1233357614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know shoppe time. < 1233357677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i guess i meant it never leaves my lap when i use it < 1233357685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, when i'm home < 1233357694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay that's not true either. < 1233357712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic is such a bitch < 1233357716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually put it down when i'm doing my stuffs. < 1233357727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i should start doing right now btw. < 1233357751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't prove these structures to be abel groups, no one will. < 1233357819 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abelian ? < 1233357839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that's the term < 1233357950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, cya ~} < 1233358236 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233358350 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-100-166.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233358960 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233361546 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1233361604 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the quit message "This computer has gone to sleep"? Google gives > 8000 hits, all of which is IRC logs. < 1233361656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233361686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a single person? < 1233361690 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233361753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so next try to find which client they are using... < 1233361793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee Corun uses it < 1233361812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not here now < 1233361898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: xchat aqua < 1233361901 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233361902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(os x xchat) < 1233361908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: you use os x rite? < 1233361908 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!taf2! VERSION X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0 (xchat 2.6.1) Darwin 9.6.0 [i386/1.80GHz/SMP] < 1233361911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made that app thing < 1233361918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you linked here < 1233361923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I liked but didn't because it required leopard < 1233361929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're investigating your quit message < 1233361930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see < 1233361932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice timing < 1233361934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we think it's xchat aqua < 1233361941 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233361944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1233361958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP VERSION reply from Corun: X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0 (xchat 2.6.1) Darwin 9.5.0 [i386/2.20GHz/SMP] < 1233361966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to know his COMPUTER talks to us. < 1233361982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try another nick i found on google < 1233362007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP VERSION reply from Lachy: X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0 (xchat 2.6.1) Darwin 9.6.0 [i386/2.40GHz/SMP] < 1233362012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, seems so < 1233362042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes lachy doesn't get paranoid from being ctcp'ed out of the blue :D
< 1233362240 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233362922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOWNESS, n. < 1233362922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm fizzie, you are from Finland? < 1233362928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2008-04-16} < 1233362972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean fizzie hasn't answered yet? how rude! < 1233362978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1233364490 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"raise Hand, 'wave'" < 1233365139 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-135.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233365456 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233365457 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1233367110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well did he answer then or? < 1233367182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did someone else answer? < 1233367535 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233370536 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H�y g�ys, �s th�s �TF-8? < 1233370665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nöpe, äccördïng tö mÿ chëck öf thë lögs ït's ISO-8859-1. Thïs shöüld bë, thöügh. < 1233370699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My client auto-translates so I cannot tell from it) < 1233370717 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1233370804 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H�w �b��t th�s? < 1233370977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chëcks ägäïn
< 1233371001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1233371013 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1233371034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah irssi too < 1233371045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste my relevant settings < 1233371060 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1233371088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 recode_autodetect_utf8 = ON < 1233371088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 recode_fallback = CP1252 < 1233371088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 recode = ON < 1233371088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 recode_out_default_charset = utf8 < 1233371088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 recode_transliterate = ON < 1233371182 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tëstïng ägäïn. < 1233371197 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that look? < 1233371203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grëät süccëss! < 1233371209 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1233371218 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I have to do is make it actually display properly. < 1233371237 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?t's d?spl?y?ng l?k? th?s. < 1233371251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : note my terminal is actually not set to Unicode itself < 1233371265 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when I type it, in which case it displays as weird boxy things. < 1233371308 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T�st�ng �nc� �g��n. < 1233371309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i only see things right that fall within Latin-1 part of Unicode < 1233371319 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it still work? < 1233371327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233371334 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn! < 1233371357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, does that look right to you? < 1233371370 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, that looks right to me and the UTF-8 stuff doesn't. < 1233371373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that comes out as ISO < 1233371409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client shows all of them properly < 1233371425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check... < 1233371439 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this is happening: I type, PuTTY sends UTF-8 to screen, screen sends ISO to irssi, irssi sends ISO to the server. < 1233371498 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrëën -d -r döës thïs. < 1233371519 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which displays as fuzzy boxes in the input line and question marks in chat. < 1233371527 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's apparently sending it correctly. < 1233371533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04 term_charset = iso8859-1 < 1233371538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have that? < 1233371550 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have ANSI_X3.4-1968. < 1233371552 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that horrible? < 1233371562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is :D < 1233371573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly something 7-bit < 1233371590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try changing that < 1233371612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1968 would seem like before anything beyond ASCII was invented < 1233371656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my setting. if you manage to set PuTTY to use actual unicode, you probably should use that < 1233371672 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think PuTTY is set to UTF-8 currently. < 1233371684 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try starting a new irssi with -U. < 1233371716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you should probably do term_charset = UTF-8 < 1233371724 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem so. < 1233371777 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY sending UTF-8, screen called without -U, term_charset = ANSI_X3.4-1968: bläh < 1233371814 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY sending UTF-8, screen called without -U, term_charset = ANSI_X3.4-1968: bläh < 1233371826 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, s/ANSI_X3.4-1968/UTF-8/ on that last one. < 1233371846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are unicode < 1233371853 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are UTF-8? < 1233371872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as my browser window of the logs implies < 1233371941 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ökäy, thïs dïspläys möstlÿ rïght. < 1233371949 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ö doesn't, though. < 1233371958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1233371987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks correct here < 1233371998 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing Ö isn't within the Latin-1 part of Unicode or something. < 1233372005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1233372011 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1233372014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ö < 1233372029 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of that is showing properly. < 1233372040 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capital letters, anyway. < 1233372049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ökäy, thïs dïspläys möstlÿ rïght. < 1233372071 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks roughly like this: #Vkay, this displays mostly right. < 1233372082 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The # is one of those fuzzy boxes, the V is inverse color. < 1233372096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any " on top of anything? < 1233372105 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has those over the lowercase letters. < 1233372110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1233372116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre < 1233372134 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that there is something that supports only lowercase accented characters. < 1233372239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ANSI_X3.4-1968 is the canonical name for ASCII < 1233372247 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cute. < 1233372338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you still have those recode* settings? < 1233372366 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, CP437 supports Ä, Ö and Ü but not Ë or Ï, as well as a seemingly arbitrary set of Greek letters. < 1233372375 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, everything messes up when I type Ä. < 1233372379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233372384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1233372392 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 recode_autodetect_utf8 = ON < 1233372392 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 recode_fallback = CP1252 < 1233372392 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 recode = ON < 1233372392 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 recode_out_default_charset = UTF-8 < 1233372392 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 recode_transliterate = ON < 1233372401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when i type à in here? < 1233372438 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displays as fuzzy-box inverse-color-C. < 1233372471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be A with ~ on top < 1233372503 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :à < 1233372517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233372524 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your à is the same as my Ã; both display as box-C here. < 1233372595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233372598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious. i'll leave this to the actual experts. < 1233372654 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1233373183 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1233373588 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that the [c] is a replacement character for symbols not representable in the font you are using... < 1233373745 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233375734 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-137-7.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233375794 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233377229 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233377476 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233378362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233380307 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-98-111-165-233.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233380328 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233381454 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@to196-045.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233381507 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233381518 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bois :D < 1233382076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurls < 1233382109 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no girls here :P < 1233382461 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1323277 < 1233382468 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody read that and tell me what you think < 1233382588 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233382978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233386967 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-137-191.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233387364 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It is easy to hand read-only snapshot of file or directory tree, but how to share something read-write? < 1233387389 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1233387716 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233388799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233388800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233389824 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233389922 0 :SpaceManPlusPlus!n=spaceman@S01060015e96842d7.vs.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233389947 0 :SpaceManPlusPlus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233390122 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-42-212.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233390854 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233391424 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1233391804 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1233391828 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahahahaha < 1233391830 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/ling.2006.37.2.271 < 1233391865 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimality Theoretic models of phonology are NP-hard, while normal rule-derivation phonologies are P. < 1233391867 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahaha < 1233391872 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you optimality theory :) < 1233392202 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably optimality theoretic models can express more phonologies than rule-derivation... < 1233392649 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233392666 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233393146 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilari, they can express different ones. < 1233393184 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some mindnumbingly trivial rules that OT has a bitch of a time with, but that rule-derivation handles with hardly any interesting effort at all. < 1233393248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go with whichever one makes more sense < 1233393263 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be rule-derivation :p < 1233393266 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OT is like < 1233393279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot is a bit weird yeah < 1233393288 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok, so you've got these constraints, right" < 1233393297 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then you generate an INFINITE number of candidates, see" < 1233393317 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then you filter out candidates until you have one that violates the least constraints. tada!" < 1233393454 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'and then you pick the one you like the most out of a bunch of equally likely candidates'? < 1233393464 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1233393481 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not very informative, to be honest. < 1233393516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is any linguistics outside phonetics? < 1233393524 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1233393526 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isnt phonetics < 1233393529 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is phonology, for one. :P < 1233393626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly!! < 1233393672 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1233393701 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i find phonetics and phonology to be boring < 1233393715 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go for syntax/semantics, personally. < 1233393930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what field of linguistics, outside phonetics, has produced anything of value? < 1233393934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to linguistics) < 1233393962 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is ridiculous < 1233393969 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke science < 1233393976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233393976 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you know much about it sir :) < 1233394160 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you say it's a joke science, lament < 1233394336 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aiforge.net/ - website about programming games ... most interesting one I've found (only got to M in the list so far) is Fleet Commander, which happen to be mentained by the site owner < 1233394397 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% of the games is about controlling a single robot, using some low level interface... < 1233394558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow cool < 1233395055 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: i guess i just mean the theoretical part < 1233395118 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but why do you say that < 1233395160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it hasn't done anything of value :) < 1233395178 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "of value"? < 1233395200 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's done LOTS of value. if you care about the workings of grammar. < 1233395246 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produced a bunch of toy models of varying complexity < 1233395259 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1233395281 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im skeptical about whether you actually know what syntax is actually doing < 1233395287 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, toy models? which ones? < 1233395292 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :describe why they're toy models. < 1233395445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, they don't work? < 1233395459 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1233395466 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't come close to reflecting the reality < 1233395468 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work wonderfully. < 1233395481 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1233395492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind then. < 1233395501 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eman, cmon, what models do you perceive as toy models? < 1233395518 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just name three, and give examples of how they fail to reflect reality < 1233395568 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why that single failure justifies them being toy theories, while other theories, like say quantum mechanics, also have glaringly obvious inabilities to reflect reality that don't qualify them as toy theories. < 1233395637 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics has awesome predictive power and important real-world applications < 1233395644 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does! < 1233395653 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so do the various theories of syntax. :) < 1233395660 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1233395661 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still waiting for your examples. < 1233395695 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed. < 1233395719 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cmon, what are YOUR contentions < 1233395728 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since thats really the issue here. < 1233395762 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any theory which tries to treat language as a formal system (generative grammar) is laughable < 1233395768 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1233395829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz ppl are ppl they aren't no machines............... < 1233395842 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you certainly are < 1233395845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because languages are obviously not formal systems < 1233395845 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1233395846 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1233395927 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i'd say languages obviously ARE formal systems < 1233395937 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sure as hell look it to me < 1233395949 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, you think that? < 1233395952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233395971 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen the data. all sorts of crazy shit that you dont realize until you actually dive into it < 1233396006 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous things like purely tree structural relations that govern the acceptability of the use of this kind of pronoun or that kind of expression < 1233396032 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont realize how insanely formulaic and well defined language is until you study it < 1233396094 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, there are all sorts of complications when you get into use of language vs. structure of the utterances, e.g. pragmatics, but even THAT has so many amazingly well defined, systematic ways of operating < 1233396117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233396129 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre european, right? < 1233396130 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between language and structure of utterances? < 1233396152 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no no, the diffrence is betwen the act of using an utterance, and the utterance itself < 1233396225 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the utterances themselves, ignoring things like false starts, and other illformed things, are fairly well defined formal systems, and the way you use them is also fairly well defined. < 1233396263 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're by no means perfectly understood, but it's not as tho we're just dicking around with silly theories that dont really reflect anything in the language. < 1233396273 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is human behaviour a formal system? < 1233396346 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at some level, undoubtedly. and the more you look at experimental psychology the harder it becomes to /not/ think of human behavior as a very neat, computational system. < 1233396604 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from, lament? which country? < 1233396687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a difficult question < 1233396739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's russocanadian < 1233396752 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you LIVE, lament. :P < 1233396757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun to study human social interaction as a formal system < 1233396760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada < 1233396814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well theoretical social interaction, i'm not interested in how humans do it specifically, just in general < 1233396817 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, regarding human behavior as a formal system, its basically inescapable unless you believe in a soul. if everything is material, of a sort, then all there is is what amounts to a formal system of enormous scale. even at the level of neurons its obviously necessarily formal, in a sense. < 1233396851 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neurons dont know. neurons are just neurons. they're signal processors and the signals have no meaning, outside of the context of the system that they're used in, namely, the brain. < 1233396853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studying game of life as a formal system on a macroscopic level would be pretty stupid < 1233396877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's fairly well defined < 1233396880 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been interested in trying to explore a formal model of memetics < 1233396996 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, semi-formal. something that explores the ways in which the smallest memetic items combine and interact < 1233397014 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! i must be off to bed. < 1233397024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have funnn < 1233397080 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, if you can think of an example of why you think modern syntactic theories fail, or even if you can just name one that you don't like, do mention it. it'd be more substantial and worthwhile than just a proclamation of invalidity. :) < 1233397082 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night :D < 1233397162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament belongs in the ehird category of not having to justify your opinions because they right anyway. lament is just a bit older and lazier. < 1233397168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they're < 1233397196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he mentioned he's like 2 already < 1233397203 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not quite as wrong as ehird tends to be. :) < 1233397220 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he seems to have no clue even what modern syntax is like. < 1233397223 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, really, im off. < 1233397232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why would he. < 1233397234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233397235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes < 1233397443 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1233401148 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-1-122.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233401949 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233407322 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-164.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233408522 0 :jix!n=jix@BAF118e.baf.pppool.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233409035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1233409680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, well did he answer then or? < 1233409685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previous question: slowness. < 1233409688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This: idiocy. < 1233409886 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233409890 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1233410171 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has befunge.org moved, or just disappeared? < 1233410205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56 Fizzie from #esoteric owned it. < 1233410205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56 It just pointed to his site, zem.fi. < 1233410206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56 He let the reg drop sometime this year. < 1233410208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56 I might register it. < 1233410210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossposting woo < 1233410273 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry :-/ < 1233410283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s'ok :P < 1233410973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233410988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could use setcontext/getcontext to implement co-routines in C? < 1233411312 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233411632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1233411633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes. < 1233411636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are also continuations. < 1233413495 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :headline: Google sneezes; Internet catches cold < 1233413519 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their bad-website-spotter has started saying everything is potentially malicious < 1233413549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep... < 1233413560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.google.com/ < 1233413563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click 'n lol < 1233413583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google fail < 1233413586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233413603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wonder how soon they will correct it < 1233413660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7tutu/google_is_marking_every_site_as_malicious/ < 1233413663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitalise time! < 1233413693 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fucking hell that's quick < 1233413699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233413728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "copyright infringement is not theft." < 1233413731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "yup, and oral sex is not really sex." < 1233413740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the analogy apart from the part where it makes no sense whatsoever. < 1233413820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://digg.com/tech_news/Someone_is_about_to_get_fired_at_Google < 1233413821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233413836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digg? < 1233413844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :further confirming your intelligence, I guess. < 1233413845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, someone should digg a page on reddit that reddits the page that digg's reddit!) < 1233413851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already done. < 1233413853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't funny. < 1233413857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hate both reddit and digg < 1233413861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slashdot < 1233413872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why did you link me to digg? < 1233413878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7tuou/google_thinks_reddit_is_an_attack_site_wtf/ < 1233413880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I'm too late. < 1233413883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because I know you prefer reddit < 1233413890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh. < 1233413895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X! < 1233413901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that because I know you prefer gentoo. < 1233413903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1233413909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec < 1233413912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be fun < 1233413920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=foo < 1233413928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to try HTML injection! < 1233413940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your client does not have permission to get URL /interstitial?url=%3Cb%3Efoo%3C/b%3E from this server. (Client IP address: 90.130.2.10)" <-- damn < 1233413948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1233413954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1233413984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233413988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think Google have an html injection on one of their most prominent pages (even before this bug), you're... rather deluded < 1233414002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was thinking it wouldn't work < 1233414005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying < 1233414015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if it had worked it would have been awesome < 1233414028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would have made it first on reddit or such I bet ;) < 1233414045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so worth trying I mean, slim chance < 1233414080 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have thought that the reddit posters would check the existing 9999 stories on a topic before posting a new one < 1233414086 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1233414086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: but but but KARMA < 1233414097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: wasn't there when I posted it. < 1233414100 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how reddit works < 1233414106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1) If by "awesome" you mean "boring and rather unexploitable" < 1233414112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) I think that's more digg territory. < 1233414117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/sc/osiris-20090131160126.png < 1233414129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ha ha ha, it's funny because it makes fun of microsoft! < 1233414131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohohohohohohoho < 1233414152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I thought more sophisticated humor would be too advanced for you < 1233414153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233414156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1233414164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1233414165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong is < 1233414168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopmalware.org is down < 1233414169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google use it < 1233414194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: One of the hugest companies evar completely relying on a third party service that isn't also huge: < 1233414198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1233414247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all switch to cuil < 1233414253 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1233414274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not fixed. < 1233414276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, how hard can it be? < 1233414284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def is_malware(site): < 1233414286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return False < 1233414291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment out the rest < 1233414293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push to server. < 1233414297 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder than that, obviously < 1233414299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end-of-lack-of-profit < 1233414304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: why should it be? :P < 1233414316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's not exactly a durable solution < 1233414323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, umm, when your whole search is completely disabled for everyone.. < 1233414362 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it doesn't assume things are safe instead < 1233414391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the idiots that added it presumably never thought it could ever go down. < 1233414397 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashdot have it too < 1233414409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will be fired and will move to cuil :P < 1233414430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Results Considered (Potentially) Harmful < 1233414919 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats food
< 1233414972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that sometimes too < 1233414976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, odd side effect of this: the cached links are gone < 1233415002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an awful mess. < 1233415011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry UP google. < 1233415023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cuil is still alive? < 1233415032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for some definitions of "alive" < 1233415042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe no one noticed yet at the googleplex < 1233415045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traffic is near nil, they're financially fucked, ... < 1233415052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Come on, I highly doubt that < 1233415057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same < 1233415076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuil < 1233415076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This site may harm your computer. < 1233415076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search engine with results shown with images and a drill-down menu. General feature, webmaster and investor information. < 1233415076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.cuil.com/ - Similar pages - < 1233415076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233415152 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're back < 1233415167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1233415169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still broken for me < 1233415171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233415172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1233415174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fixed < 1233415175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1233415193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Losses: $50 million < 1233415222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly fixed yes < 1233415228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, source? < 1233415239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Humanity's collective butt. < 1233415244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233415262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how on earth this happened. < 1233415267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, surely they stresstest this thing. < 1233415306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh even google agreed the Swedish gov sucks: http://omploader.org/vMTZ6Nw < 1233415333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it censor the internet? < 1233415337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's amusing. if not, meh. < 1233415360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, someone took a pic of searching for RIAA too btw < 1233415369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even funny. < 1233415374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "This site may harm your computer" < 1233415377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "This site sucks" < 1233415424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and yes Swedish gov wants to do that I believe. Swedish police makes the ISPs filter child porn at least, not sure about other stuff. < 1233415439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and there was the FRA law < 1233415476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stopmalware.org is down <-- redirects to nist now? < 1233415517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1233415524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or did you mean stopbadware.org ? < 1233415527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1233415528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233415533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still down < 1233415534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1233415536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1233415698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I had paul graham in google search before and with that "this site may cause harm..." < 1233415705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that quite amusing < 1233415706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233415717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't take a screenshot though < 1233415720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun.com/java < 1233415721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that < 1233415726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1233415727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this site may cause harm to your computeromobile < 1233415736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computeromobile? < 1233415737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1233415739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233415743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computer. on wheels < 1233415745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233415754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the possibilities, man. < 1233415760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I fail to see how that makes sense for "java"? < 1233415766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't. < 1233415773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the omobile was an afterthought < 1233415799 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*homobile < 1233415838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a computer. On wheels. With hos. < 1233415843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the possibilities. Man. < 1233416273 0 :X-Scale!i=email@89.180.98.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233416457 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi X-Scale :-) < 1233416461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi X-Scale < 1233416467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen you here before? < 1233416546 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Scale: I think I've seen you in #corewars ;-) < 1233417963 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there, impomatic & ehird :) < 1233417972 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha...yes...NorthStar :) < 1233417986 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#corewars ftw < 1233418433 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233418944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm writing an oklotalk-- compiler. again :o < 1233419221 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-88-186.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233419273 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233419639 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233419743 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-143-106.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233419936 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233421138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err google results showed pages as harmful for a while? < 1233421197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why anyone should care even if they went down altogether < 1233421237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) yes, and so didn't let you click to them < 1233421243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) because google is popular/useful? < 1233421247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1233421262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you had to manually copypaste the URL to go somewhere) < 1233421284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use another engine < 1233421304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other engines aren't particularly good < 1233421311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is google < 1233421376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others were good enough back when i last used them ;) maybe they suck even more nowadays, dunno. < 1233421394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used only google for many years now < 1233421426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i refuse to acknowledge i'm in any way dependant on it, therefore i refuse to understand why anyone would care about its problems. < 1233421429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pattern matching will be oklotalk---compiling's downfall. _again_ < 1233421438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233421446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's heretical to write an oklotalk-- parser that produces no errors. < 1233421456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233421468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a ]) actually parses the ] as a var name atm < 1233421473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm. what errors could the parser produce? < 1233421475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i dunno what (a) would be < 1233421478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -- < 1233421478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atom (, atom a, atom ) < 1233421482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1233421520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b c d parses as (a b c) d :D < 1233421820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is your officially deemed parsing of (a) < 1233422115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% python parse.py < 1233422115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('name', '('), ('name', 'a'), ('name', ')')] < 1233422116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233422136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b (c) d) < 1233422137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233422139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('app', [('name', 'a'), ('name', 'b'), ('name', '('), ('name', 'c'), ('name', ')')]), ('name', 'd'), ('name', ')')] < 1233422144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses as < 1233422157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b ( c )) d ) < 1233422162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm parsing opinions for hypothetical extensions of oklotalk--? :) how about you make oklotalk < 1233422163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a ( or ) surrounded by a space is the atom < 1233422175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: making oklotalk is hard when there's no reference to implement it from :-D < 1233422225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, maybe it is somewhat unsimple. < 1233422886 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an excelently-done rpg parody: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLrgxtALWs < 1233422909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can we have oktobot < 1233422920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i watched that in 2007. < 1233423166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pirates mathematica!!
< 1233423218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1233423498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1233423505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oktabot < 1233423508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plzzz :) < 1233423536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooo < 1233423539 0 :oktabot!n=oktabot@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233423544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello dar < 1233423561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haihai < 1233423562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $2 < 1233423562 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1233423566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (+ $2 $2) < 1233423567 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1233423571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok, so it's 2 the name < 1233423572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233423575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atom, rather < 1233423599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1233423625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica in 30 MINUTES :D < 1233423627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hokie < 1233423632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing parser, y'see. < 1233423642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $() < 1233423643 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1233423645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1233423653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $( < 1233423653 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1233423658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1233423669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $(a < 1233423669 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a < 1233423671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $(a) < 1233423672 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error: Unmatching parens @ row 1. < 1233423675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$) < 1233423678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $) < 1233423678 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1233423681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233423681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233423683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1233423706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll you see i took the i don't care what happens in boundary cases approach. < 1233423715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well, it was kinda a language stub. < 1233423792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1233423795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually parse the same as you < 1233423802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) -> the atom ')' < 1233423809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(a) -> the atom '(a', then the variable name ')' < 1233423816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you parse ) as a real close paren, I just parse it as a var name < 1233423819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no ( < 1233423820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1233423830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making sense is not required, never erroring is. < 1233423856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::=) < 1233423889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how (->) should parse < 1233423892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllllllllllllllllllllll < 1233423901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll parse as var (, var ->, var ) < 1233423919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-> a) will prolly return $f. < 1233423934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1233423937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you run it < 1233424005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1233424011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "$ a" parses as "the atom ' a'" < 1233424013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature or bug? < 1233424028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("$" parses as "the atom ''", so I was expecting (atom '', name 'a')) < 1233424072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('atm', ''), ('name', 'a')] < 1233424073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha's better < 1233424093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: $ a < 1233424093 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1233424103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (+ $ a) < 1233424103 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1233424120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1233424123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that didn't test anything. < 1233424126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1233424128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit :D < 1233424130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go i thinks < 1233424131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: [$ a] < 1233424131 0 :oktabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ a] < 1233424137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1233424139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you ever impl nopol? < 1233424143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1233424149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopol2, to be specific < 1233424150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly?? < 1233424152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot?? < 1233424154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm yeah < 1233424163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i musta missed this < 1233424166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1233424177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot plz?? < 1233424188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopol has an object oriented bot 8| < 1233424196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1233424198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rly? < 1233424198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wutwut < 1233424204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i always use that same one :D < 1233424208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolz < 1233424236 0 :nopolie!n=nopolie@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233424238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello dar < 1233424244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nopolie < 1233424246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats ur prefix < 1233424262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^parse ::: < 1233424262 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+::: ) < 1233424266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay < 1233424277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^parse <: <...> <::>> < 1233424277 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ (+: (+... ) (+:: ))) < 1233424281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^eval <> < 1233424284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<< < 1233424287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^run <: <...> <::>> < 1233424287 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :global name 'rawunparse_' is not defined < 1233424290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233424294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice erroring < 1233424296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD lol < 1233424298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1233424310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the bot that got broken and i didn't fix it < 1233424315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233424325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the nopol interp never errors iirc < 1233424370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::. < 1233424381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thassa smiley < 1233424383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it sideways < 1233424393 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233424414 0 :nopolie!n=nopolie@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233424417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what i changed, but i'm optimistic about this. < 1233424421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^run <:> < 1233424421 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list index out of range < 1233424423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1233424430 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c809ABF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233424442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i have unparse, unparse_ and rawunparse < 1233424451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now what the fuck are those) < 1233424456 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233424456 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233424456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233424460 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233424470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such peer pressue < 1233424471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressure < 1233424473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it saw a netsplit < 1233424476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had to go alongwith it < 1233424531 0 :nopolie!n=nopolie@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233424535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try one more random thing < 1233424537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^run <:> < 1233424538 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list index out of range < 1233424541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233424544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck you < 1233424545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to ruin your hopes and ruin your dreams < 1233424546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233424702 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1233424752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. maybe i'll look into that some day. i don't remember what was broken about it, and i'd have to debug to find out. < 1233424761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<< < 1233424770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^parse :<< < 1233424770 0 :nopolie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+: (+ (+ ))) < 1233424792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um parse works < 1233424799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1233424800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233424803 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233424813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unparse works too < 1233424827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so somehow after evaluation the code has changed its structure < 1233424828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...somehow < 1233424831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233424833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care < 1233424837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i do < 1233424838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't < 1233424841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<< < 1233424963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the language? < 1233424971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopol2 < 1233425004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. What sort of language is it? I guess there is no specs? < 1233425007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are* < 1233425129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nopular < 1233425138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has turing complete NOPs < 1233425141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using negative-depth lists < 1233425146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) is depth 1, ((b)) is depth 2 < 1233425149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has depth -1, -2, etc < 1233425150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this sounds familiar... < 1233425154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is depth 0, naturally < 1233425167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an old one? < 1233425172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a negative depth list snatches all the elements around it to create a new positive list with its elements and those < 1233425175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1233425180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iz weird tree rewriting stuphs..... < 1233425189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old is yes quite. < 1233425194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this thing with nop and negative depth list sounds very familiar < 1233425202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one I remember confused me a lot < 1233425209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ehird just didn't know i'd implemented it < 1233425212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1233425216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233425223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's languages are just awesome < 1233425225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it seems i technically haven't implemented it anymore, because it doesn't work. < 1233425233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman reminders day < 1233425245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens mail client
< 1233425253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none yet < 1233425263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said australian < 1233425267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233425283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the really insane ones refuse to be realized. except graphica. but for some reason people aren't interested in languages you can only use to create graphs. < 1233425284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I noticed lots of mailing lists sends the message one day late < 1233425293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oklotalk? < 1233425300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk-- isn't that insane < 1233425305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1233425311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i implemented the sane subset with a semisane syntax < 1233425339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al/_:¨ < 1233425352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what A-hat and .. do < 1233425356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the way you can do imperative kinda control flow using pattern matching, and how things are functions and objects are kinda weird features. < 1233425358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, A hat? < 1233425358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cise prime) < 1233425360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they aren't insane < 1233425361 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233425362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A with ^ on top. < 1233425365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233425366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233425368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1233425375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is A with 2 dots here.. < 1233425386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small font < 1233425390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, your font just sucks < 1233425393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: encoding issue < 1233425397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed that is the issue < 1233425397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be just umlaut. < 1233425408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233425408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : has a caret < 1233425412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ä has an umlaut < 1233425416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or diaeresis < 1233425422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it's actually called IIRC < 1233425423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct program is Al/_Ä < 1233425425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al/_: < 1233425430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does Ä do, oklopol < 1233425432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1233425433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ¨ < 1233425435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the A? < 1233425437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that is nopol? < 1233425438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al/_¨ < 1233425442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's Cise < 1233425444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think it's [0..n] < 1233425447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is oklopol's golfing lang < 1233425452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I see < 1233425456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: brainfuck without IO in cise: < 1233425457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;I,;mc,[]{"[]"},=}!!b->"+"+mC1"-"-mC1">"+C1"<"-C1{;X}Wh=mC0=}X??b < 1233425467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it [1..n] or [0..n] based on whichever made more sense in context... < 1233425468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, more golfed than golfscript? < 1233425471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233425474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1233425476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mergesort '/,)#< < 1233425478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort /2;A b:C,',JnB < 1233425487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they should add on anarchy golf < 1233425492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't there already < 1233425492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1233425494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no interp. < 1233425498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add it without an interp or a spec < 1233425498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233425502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it actually tries all possible parsings (it's very ambiguous) and picks the one that uses types most "correctly" < 1233425512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1233425519 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a spec or anything? < 1233425525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a parser though, i just haven't implemented the less interesting parts < 1233425526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so this is one instruction per char with jumps or such? < 1233425566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: there's a small spec-kinda thing on my computer, but it's not public. but i'm planning to add specs to all the languages on /oklopol/ as soon as possible. < 1233425574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1233425576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roger roger < 1233425585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at lest the parts that exist in my head. < 1233425588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1233425592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: way more complex. < 1233425596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funcitonal, sorta. < 1233425597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*functional < 1233425607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233425615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah functional, and ...pattern matchingal < 1233425630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well I like that < 1233425640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching functional languages are fun to code in < 1233425641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and easy < 1233425648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually at least < 1233425650 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233425657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching is a crucial part of making it terse, you do stuff to input, cut it in parts with pattern matching syntax, and introduce assertions to guide the syntax-error backtracking, repeat < 1233425658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with that terse syntax, no idea < 1233425674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh nice backtracking too < 1233425676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233425679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC I assume? < 1233425688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's that bf interp. < 1233425693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1233425694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that < 1233425713 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did Ursala inspire that much? < 1233425719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I don't think so. < 1233425735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the pattern matching is not easy. it's a mindfuck; but, let's hope you can read it in /cise.txt after a while. < 1233425751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, /cise.txt where? < 1233425783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/cise.txt < 1233425790 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the topic all about? < 1233425823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= a) < 1233425824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233425825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('name', '('), ('name', '='), ('name', 'a'), ('name', ')'), ('name', ')')] < 1233425828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Stuff that happens there. < 1233425888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1233425899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be doing the happening < 1233425918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh a bug. < 1233425973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um that link doesn't really explains how it works < 1233425993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('assign', ('name', 'a'), ('lst', [('int', 1), ('int', 2), ('app', [('name', '+'), ('int', 2), ('int', 2)])])), ('name', ']'), ('name', ')')] < 1233425994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1233426001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example how does merge sort work '/,)#< < 1233426015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can you describe how it is parsed and executed < 1233426045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can and i have, on this channel < 1233426053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where/when? < 1233426061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks in scrollback
< 1233426080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not recently? < 1233426094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't remember; anyway seriously, i will try to spec up the languages enough to quench ppl's curiosity, once i have the time < 1233426104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, right :) < 1233426104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently all my non-irc time is pretty much university time. < 1233426111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works < 1233426124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope not recently. < 1233426126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= a [1 2 (+ 2 2 < 1233426128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses as < 1233426129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around the time it was invented < 1233426131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= a [1 2 (+ 2 2)]) < 1233426133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1233426137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and that was? < 1233426147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008? < 1233426196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: "\n" < 1233426204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where da oktabot @ < 1233426288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg omg omg 2 minutes tom athematica < 1233426289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1233426334 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Tom Athematica, ehird? < 1233426345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew. < 1233426479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1233426483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATHEMATICA IS FREAKING MIIIIIINE < 1233426484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^___________^ < 1233426500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET's try this |: < 1233426550 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image^2 < 1233426559 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1233426562 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233426726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG INSTALLING MATHEMATICA GUYZ < 1233426731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye bye 1.3GB < 1233426757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: look at the positive side, you cannot lose your sanity - again < 1233426899 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-169.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233427683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if google's harmful site detection breaks, it should say so rather than choosing either true or false as default < 1233427724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE THEY CAN'T A CODE LOL :DDD < 1233428389 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233428542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IWC was interesting today < 1233428547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how/if that will develop < 1233428566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew! i actually managed to read IWC before AnMaster commented on it :D < 1233428582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I read it around 15:00 or so every day < 1233428586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you? < 1233428637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would, if that was about the time i logged on. but today it isn't. < 1233428772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i go email -> log on irc -> irc logs -> IWC, and the last days you managed to get me before i finish the logs < 1233428781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233428834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just read IWC before irc? < 1233428837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solves the issue neatly < 1233428862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um but irc is a continuous matter < 1233428869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also darth and droids and square root of minus garfield of course (on those days) < 1233428880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1233428921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it could work < 1233428929 0 :alex89ru!n=kw@hbrn-5f717ff4.pool.einsundeins.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233428951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION read that domain as gesundheit.de
< 1233429924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there? < 1233430002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/this-site-may-harm-your-computer-on.html < 1233430007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't seen it already < 1233430091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems that stopbadware went down due to lots of people trying to access it after the issue < 1233430099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233430133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, if google's harmful site detection breaks, it should say so rather than choosing either true or false as default <-- irrelevant since that wasn't the issue. The issue was according to google human error adding '/' as a bad url which for some reason matched all urls < 1233430181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooo < 1233430183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.stopbadware.org/2009/01/31/google-glitch-causes-confusion (if that loads for you, seem to be very slow atm) < 1233430200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lllllllllllllllllllll < 1233430215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in several minutes load time) < 1233430242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacj < 1233430243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1233430269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Update 1:36] Google updated its statement to reflect that StopBadware does not provide Google’s badware data." < 1233430270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233430327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATHEMATICA TIME < 1233430335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathe mathe maaaa < 1233430347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirated software is so... yummu < 1233430348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy < 1233430387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public logs < 1233430535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, so? < 1233430559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be arrested < 1233430563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even killed < 1233430564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233430570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or worse) < 1233430591 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :za! < 1233430595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs keygen ^.^
< 1233430596 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1233430601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1233430607 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u want your opinion < 1233430612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1233430617 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i* < 1233430628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala < 1233430631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallels desktop < 1233430633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keygen.exe < 1233430639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will not be able to start virtual machines until you activate Parallels Desktop. If you have a valid activation key, click Activate Product. You can find the activation key in the product box from a retail store or in the e-mail confirming your online purchase. Otherwise, purchase a permanent activation key or obtain a free trial activation key. < 1233430641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yooooooouuuuuu < 1233430650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets another free trial lol
< 1233430678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about free ones < 1233430683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what < 1233430701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean wouldn't qemu work just fine for something as simple as running a keygen? < 1233430711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it exists for OS X < 1233430714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i'm used to parallels and I have windows already installed on it < 1233430716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc it does? < 1233430716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qeqeqeqeqeqe < 1233430718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boots up
< 1233430718 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think i should include as a primitive operation in my language? i've got +-*/ and a generic substitute operation < 1233430721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok good point < 1233430739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parallels is kind of like winzip < 1233430743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sign up for new free trial keys < 1233430743 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus predefined but not primitive logic operations < 1233430744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1233430746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: have you considered (a xor b - 7) < 1233430755 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no, i haven't! < 1233430757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_, only one: substract and branch if not zero < 1233430773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing might be interesting for languages with complicated and somewhat random primitives. < 1233430789 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense, anmaster, if there was an actual sequence of instructions to be followed. < 1233430793 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isnt. :P < 1233430793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, abbreviated intercal? < 1233430802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD YOU LIKE TO INSTALL PARLLELS INTERNET SECURITY POWERED BY KASPERSKY AND GET A FREE ANUAL SUBSCRIPTION? < 1233430804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, go away. < 1233430806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_, well what I described was OISC basically < 1233430813 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :P < 1233430815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm thinking more randomize_instruction_set()->golf(). < 1233430821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1233430826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" -> " rather < 1233430833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unable to connect Floppy Disk 1. < 1233430834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file or device required for the operation of Floppy Disk 1 does not exist or is used by another process, or you have no permission to access it. The virtual machine will continue running, but the device will be disconnected. < 1233430837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will I do without a floppy!!11 < 1233430854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would anyone need a floppy these days!? < 1233430861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a VM floppy. < 1233430863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233430865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1233430865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, for running old stuff < 1233430865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1233430868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233430869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233430884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keygen.exe -->drag into parallels-->
< 1233430885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I thought *mac* users wouldn't need any floppy! < 1233430886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233430897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop, it's just like all keygens < 1233430904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it draws its own gray-on-black window < 1233430909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean, built in spyware too? < 1233430910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a demo with weird music and gfx in the top < 1233430916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: naw, hardly any keygens have tht < 1233430917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1233430924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very ... demoscene < 1233430930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is common too < 1233430956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have a theory about that though... < 1233430962 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also alternatively, what should i be considering for things like IO, since the language is lazy < 1233430965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOO < 1233430966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKED < 1233430969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It use the user reaction as random seed. < 1233430974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if a webcam exists < 1233430975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: monads. < 1233430978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ha, that would be fun < 1233430978 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to construct the whole monad thing :| < 1233430985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: it's two functions < 1233430996 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads a) confuse me, b) confuse me, c) confuse me. < 1233431010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. understand them < 1233431011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. profit. < 1233431019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is the only plausible explanation of demos in keygens < 1233431020 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1233431029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? < 1233431031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about scene cred < 1233431033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey you need at least three steps < 1233431037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cooler your keygen demo, the cooler your group. < 1233431039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one should be ??? < 1233431047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ??? is in fact "make internet meme"[1] < 1233431049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] gaucho theory < 1233431065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I thought that was what you were trying to do < 1233431066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell nomads is already a /prog/ meme. < 1233431070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can skip that step. < 1233431075 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: You could evaluate those functions that call non-lazy (=I/O) functions immediately. < 1233431079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233431080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233431084 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that I could just have a universal variable that was defined at the beginning of each program execution called IO, and when you did like (read IO) it would evaluate to some new item that represented the next io state < 1233431084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: or just evaluate the IO bits strictly < 1233431086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my WIP lang has that < 1233431091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather complicated and non-intuitive < 1233431095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /prog/? Does that actually exist on 4chan or whatever? < 1233431101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a text board on 4chan < 1233431105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. no images < 1233431121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1233431128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[1]:= 2 + 2 < 1233431129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[1]= 4 < 1233431132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it as silly as the rest of it? < 1233431132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1233431133 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yes, thats what i intend to do, the problem is more whether or not i want to consider side effects with IO given the laziness. < 1233431148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rather. < 1233431159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather >what> < 1233431160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233431164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/> < 1233431389 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also beware : when you change something, you have to re-confirm EVERY LINE < 1233431389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[11]= ComplexInfinity < 1233431393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1/0 actually displays as < 1233431394 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's far back < 1233431394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1233431395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1233431397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0 < 1233431399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233431401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1233431403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1233431405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1233431407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233431438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: how come you have to press enter to complete < 1233431439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not return < 1233431440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233431497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGH < 1233431500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined x and now it's persisting < 1233431509 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done some Mathematica too and really hated it. They should have used scheme instead. < 1233431517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1233431523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanna play with it for its graphical manipulation and stuff. < 1233431525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Slereah2: how come you have to press enter to complete not return <-- ??? < 1233431527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual languagei s perverse. < 1233431531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, shift-enter also words. < 1233431533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enter = numpad return < 1233431535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on macs < 1233431546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um didn't you have a laptop? < 1233431564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also as far as I know they are the same key? Both generate same scancode I think < 1233431573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually scratch that < 1233431598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Since when do I use a laptop? < 1233431608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes, I believe so, but not in the GUI env. < 1233431612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought you had a macbook of some type? < 1233431614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're distinguished quite often. < 1233431616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, iMac < 1233431619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1233431623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a stupid name btw. < 1233431627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cringe whenever I type it. < 1233431628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm xev claims both generate the event KP_Enter < 1233431640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1233431642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread < 1233431648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1233431654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed Return and KP_Enter < 1233431656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233431673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iAgree with you about the problem with the name iMac < 1233431686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think PHP's "just shit everything into the main namespace" is bad? < 1233431688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica has < 1233431691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 3,000 < 1233431693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :built in functions < 1233431704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 0 0 0 < 1233431707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but php has namespaces now with \ iirc < 1233431821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bussy" < 1233431828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bussy" < 1233431829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233431833 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does complex numbers' square roots also always have two roots? (as with real ones) < 1233431848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bus -sy < 1233431850 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1233431851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, he's going to the bus. < 1233431854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go home. < 1233431854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1233431855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume. < 1233431859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1233431862 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two square roots for all numbers, FireFly < 1233431871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit... Mathematica is quite fun, even if it sucks. < 1233431874 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just wondering if it applies to complex ones too < 1233431877 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are 180� rotations in the complex plane < 1233431880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the glob of functions is just... fun. < 1233431890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, better or worse than php? < 1233431894 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it sucks? < 1233431901 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. < 1233431901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, PHP isn't even fun. < 1233431914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do you mean "glob of functions"? as in sq*() -> sqrt()? < 1233431914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But like I said, Mathematica has *3,000* mainspace builtins. < 1233431919 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(R * e^if)^1/2 = sqrt(R) * e(if/2) < 1233431923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glob = a gloopy heap < 1233431936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gloopy: slimy, etc < 1233431940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, glob == wild card expanding, see jargon dictionary < 1233431943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1233431946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok it means what you said too < 1233432167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArrayPlot[CellularAutomaton[30, {{1}, 0}, 50]] works. < 1233432168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1233432240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not fond of the language, but the environment is neat. < 1233432261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, no way in hell I'd pay Wolfram thousands of pounds for it... < 1233432314 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the whole package is powerful. < 1233432400 0 :yoR!n=Roy@075-039-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1233432417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColorNegate[ < 1233432417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ArrayPlot[CellularAutomaton[30, {{1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1}, 0}, 50]]] < 1233432420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, that works. < 1233432538 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: try Maxima < 1233432555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Tk. < 1233432558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider me unimpressed. :P < 1233432569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language does it use? < 1233432572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a C-esque. < 1233432705 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I know it's coded on Common Lisp. < 1233432839 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala < 1233432881 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like it could be logo maybe. im fairly certain logo has wonky []-for-() stuff < 1233432883 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with tcl < 1233432899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1233432902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Mathematica. < 1233432906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about maxima. < 1233432907 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it? < 1233432916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, logo has [] as lambda < 1233432916 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. < 1233432922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl has [] as "evaluate this" < 1233432923 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1233432923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1233432927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 2 [+ 3 3] < 1233432929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1233432931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello [expr]!" < 1233432962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, usenet is slow today < 1233432976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could be my ipv6 tunnel that is slow < 1233433000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica 6 is "only" 200 eur for students, and when you graduate you must upgrade it to the full version, but with a 75 % discount. (I think the student license used to be something significantly <200 back when it was 5.something.) < 1233433141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#+2&/@{1,2,3} < 1233433142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J or K? < 1233433144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Mathematica. < 1233433160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure they'd count me as a "student" < 1233433163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that parses as < 1233433169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((# + 2) &) /@ {1,2,3} < 1233433176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where & postfix is the "make a function yo" operator < 1233433180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is the first arg in a function < 1233433181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /@ is map < 1233433239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(# + ## &)[2, 3] -> 7 < 1233433266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't it do #1, #2, ... too? < 1233433292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1233433305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting syntax < 1233433310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite esoteric < 1233433322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it also has ##2 < 1233433326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume is the third argument. < 1233433344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, wait < 1233433349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(##1&)[1,2] < 1233433350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233433352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence[1,2] < 1233433353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1233433380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB has anonymous functions defined like @(a, b) a+b < 1233433393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like so less fun though. < 1233433401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a postfix operator that you give an expression is so much more... lulzy < 1233433447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Function[x] == (x&) < 1233433453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do the more "conventional": < 1233433457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function[x, x+2] < 1233433458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also < 1233433463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function[{x,y}, x+y] < 1233433472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But #+##& is so much more fun, no? < 1233433573 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica syntax is ideal for all those brainf*ck lovers. :) < 1233433591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1233433594 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hammer it for hours till it worked. < 1233433595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how it does scoping. < 1233433686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexical or dynamic, depending on whether you use Module[vars, body] or Block[vars, body]. < 1233433689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y[f] := Function[x, f[x[x][#] &]][Function[x, f[x[x][#] &]]] < 1233433702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excersize for the reader: remove the [f] and the Function parts, and make it all #s and &s. < 1233433818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excersize? < 1233433825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I can't spell < 1233433826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233433826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233433833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica needs a "give me something to do" button. < 1233433836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the typo was funny < 1233433847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, MATLAB syntax is so crummy. I can't make it call an anonymous function without sticking it in a variable; the only form of function call is "name(args)", which must have a name in there. < 1233433865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can provide that: Solve one of unsolved the millennium problems < 1233433911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233433912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Y[f] := (f[#[#][#2] &]&)(f[#[#][#2] &]&) ? < 1233433932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm, so #2 works if it's the first argument? < 1233433935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it 'remembers'? < 1233433938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stacks them? < 1233433947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1233433952 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure actually < 1233433958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's be awesome if so. < 1233433961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1233433966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda misread what you were doing < 1233433980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but anyhoo, you also need the LHS to say f_ and not f < 1233433987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[109]:= Sin[1000] < 1233433987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[109]= Sin[1000] < 1233433991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, thanks Mathematica < 1233434000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: most precise answer it can give. < 1233434005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1233434028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sin[]? < 1233434032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can just N[] it. < 1233434032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird notation < 1233434040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [] is function call < 1233434047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I find that weird < 1233434053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is weird. < 1233434059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally in math notation you just write sin 1000 < 1233434065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "weird" < 1233434069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unusual < 1233434072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru. < 1233434075 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is not, by any meaning of the word, weird < 1233434078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That kind of fails when you nest anything < 1233434088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into lisp < 1233434091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then you use () < 1233434092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: works well enough in Haskell :-P < 1233434094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1233434100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(1000 * 2000) < 1233434102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sure, but haskell doesn't have the massively-nested exprs mathematica does. < 1233434121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure it would if we didn't have . and $ :-P < 1233434126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, check out the channels #1,000 and #2,000 < 1233434128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru tru < 1233434138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: umm, welcome to jackassville < 1233434141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :population++ < 1233434147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf made you think that was a good idea < 1233434153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would never think anyone here would fall for it < 1233434155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1233434156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-* < 1233434167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure not everyone here is an irc whiz < 1233434187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one parted yet? < 1233434209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proves I'm right < 1233434217 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd be special about those? < 1233434218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone does it now < 1233434224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, proves that nobody online is < 1233434232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, join 0 == part all channels < 1233434233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. non-apathetic enough to try < 1233434237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. not an irc whiz < 1233434238 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aha < 1233434240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and join #1,#s < 1233434241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233434250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into join #1 followed by join 0 < 1233434257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget the syntax for joining multiple channels :-P < 1233434280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a comma in between < 1233434287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1233434406 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1233434507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Based on original algorithms developed at Wolfram Research" < 1233434513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear if I read this one more time I will kill somebody. < 1233434568 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that Wolfram Research proved that the 2,3 machine is TC? < 1233434595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1233434634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(newbies: Wolfram Research ran a prize to prove that, #esoteric denizen ais523 did so.) < 1233434689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2, they claim that? < 1233434696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233434700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was making a "joke" < 1233434708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an odd thing; it's a lie where people know it's a lie < 1233434712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lie in a way that it's funny. < 1233434735 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because it's untrue < 1233434739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figure if I explain humour enough times you're bound to catch on eventually) < 1233434757 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1233434764 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like love. < 1233434790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny because untrue? < 1233435165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ListAnimate[ < 1233435165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ArrayPlot @/ CellularAutomaton[GameOfLife, InitialGrid, 100]] < 1233435167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this then. < 1233435174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail :( < 1233435177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /@. < 1233435183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1233435188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it works!! < 1233435189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo!! < 1233435203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that it's /@ before you noticed but I forgot to IRC-escape the / < 1233435208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1233435210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.... < 1233435214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do I make this infinite... < 1233435217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to just 100 steps. < 1233435221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I'll try passing Infinity. < 1233435226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I am blissfully naive < 1233435228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might run out of memory < 1233435233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1233435234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1233435238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only needs the previous state... < 1233435242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it precomputes the whole thing < 1233435248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,lol < 1233435251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something similar did, anyway < 1233435254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to try < 1233435261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hrm. < 1233435268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a sort of... transitionanimate. < 1233435273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., result becomes input < 1233435310 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try that, it might work < 1233435317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just raise it to 10000 first or something < 1233435320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Infinity thing? < 1233435321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It phailed. < 1233435330 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1233435341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 is just eating my memory up nicely. < 1233435349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so < 1233435357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You crashed mathematica I think :< < 1233435367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't do anything, you did :-P < 1233435381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You told me to :P < 1233435401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more a suggestion than an order :-P < 1233435420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u suk < 1233435443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuuuuuude < 1233435446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You crashed the ENGINE < 1233435446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1233435447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233435453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ENGINE/KERNEL/ < 1233435457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev < 1233435457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just quit it < 1233435467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or kill it if that doesn't work < 1233435467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but now I lost my initial grid < 1233435468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233435475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my game of life spec < 1233435478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to kill the UI < 1233435483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phool < 1233435483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233435484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lost my vars < 1233435491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I quit the engine < 1233435500 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233435504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1233435506 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should still have whatever you typed in before < 1233435511 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you deleted it, of course :-P < 1233435512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: notebook crashed < 1233435523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm trying out mathematica. < 1233435557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: finally got your trial copy? < 1233435559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm very busy in RL < 1233435568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been very ill since Wednesday afternoon < 1233435572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For values of trial copy equal to pirate. < 1233435574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oh dear. < 1233435581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haven't been able to do anything really, RL work or anything else < 1233435583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What values of "very ill" are we talking? < 1233435780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as "high ones". < 1233435805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233435813 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233435822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps "IRC problems". < 1233436008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1233436262 0 :alex89ru!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233436313 0 :ais523__!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233436324 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523_ < 1233436334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1233436336 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1233437106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like being sick, but i never am < 1233437109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i also hate being sick < 1233437117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends who you ask. < 1233437153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais < 1233437155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1233437313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm sure they have some sort of pills to make you sick by now. Shouldn't be all that difficult. < 1233437408 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233437416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_ < 1233437500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1233437529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you may have guessed, the wireless internet here is being really < 1233437530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperamental at the moment; I'm only getting a few seconds of < 1233437530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectivity every few tens of minutes. So I'm writing this in an email, < 1233437532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll set my mail client to send it to you the next moment I get a < 1233437535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection. < 1233437538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's connection is fucked up so he has to use batch mode communication. < 1233437630 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233437636 0 :ais523__!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233437718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523__: are you reading this? < 1233437723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent off a batch email summary. < 1233437728 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, I'm reading that < 1233437731 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you'll get my reply < 1233437735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it. < 1233437740 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this connection's been stable for over a minute, possibly a record < 1233437744 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais532 < 1233437746 0 :ais532!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1233437766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifting the laptop a metre off the floor seems to help < 1233437770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233437772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1233437789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got your batch summary < 1233437846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should switch to carrier pigeons, they sound more reliable. < 1233437950 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233438194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to build a http://ronja.twibright.com/ (there's just something attractive about the idea) but I don't know anyone who'd live line-of-sight-nearby enough. < 1233438219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your connection still ticking? < 1233438320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1233438321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will take that as a "no". < 1233438324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: His connection is b0rked. < 1233438337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's also been ill since wednesday. < 1233438339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try email if you need to tell him anything. < 1233438344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233438365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no was just going to chat aimlessly < 1233438365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233438370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233438385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo doo < 1233438624 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo doo dee doo < 1233438634 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since you think monads are so trivial, you explain them to me < 1233438638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1233438645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is a type taking one argument < 1233438647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return :: a -> m a < 1233438652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> is a function < 1233438658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1233438661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1233438663 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know -> for type notations :P < 1233438664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonads. < 1233438777 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strife. < 1233438794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233438801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's additional constraints: < 1233438810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind (return a) f < 1233438814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must = < 1233438814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a < 1233438821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind m return < 1233438822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must = < 1233438822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1233438831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind (bind m f) g < 1233438833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must = < 1233438841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind m (\x -> bind (f x) g) < 1233438844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada. < 1233438886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah psygnisf_ behold the axioms of monads < 1233438894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see. < 1233438897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw. < 1233438900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type sigs are the axioms. < 1233438900 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? bind m return == m? < 1233438905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constraints are the laws. < 1233438908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: yes. < 1233438920 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so return for monads is the id function < 1233438925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a difference < 1233438926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1233438931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: < 1233438932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a similarity. < 1233438935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return :: a -> m a < 1233438941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1233438943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1233438945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we do < 1233438947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind m return < 1233438951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return gets the unwrapped value of m < 1233438954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wraps it again < 1233438959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, (bind m return) must = m < 1233439108 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it clearer with let x >>= f = bind f x
< 1233439114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233439117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind x f < 1233439119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mine < 1233439122 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1233439126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just avoiding the symbolzz < 1233439126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233439141 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolzz < 1233439146 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have more shizzle < 1233439168 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, IO have just been learning about comonads. They are some of the things that look like you could make into a monad but turn out not to work really. < 1233439173 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/IO/I/ X-D < 1233439174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/IO/I/ < 1233439177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1233439186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233439205 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233439217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_ < 1233439220 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233439221 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it actually stayed connected long enough for me to join the channel < 1233439225 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even see ehird say hi! < 1233439231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop! < 1233439238 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonads are like bizarro-monads < 1233439273 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of having (a -> m a) and (m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b) as operations... < 1233439275 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@to196-045.resnet.stonybrook.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233439284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: still thar? < 1233439295 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233439296 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233439297 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1233439300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1233439302 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have (w a -> a) and ... erm... < 1233439305 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1233439311 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I agree, carrier pigeons would be more reliable, if slower on average < 1233439324 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... w a -> (w a -> b) -> w b < 1233439324 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: looks a bit like a backwards monad < 1233439335 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird if you said something after i mentioned binding m being id, i didnt get it < 1233439335 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233439340 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hence me saying they are bizarro-monads < 1233439342 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ : Well, carrier pigeons could be faster < 1233439349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: read the logs < 1233439352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explain it < 1233439363 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if a carrier pigeon carried an 8GB flash drive < 1233439371 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where for monads you can't easily "get things out of" them, for comands you can't easily "get things into" them < 1233439408 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no general function for (Comonad w) => a -> w a < 1233439416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of things are comonads < 1233439427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say, do you have examples of them < 1233439427 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogous to there being no general function for (Monad m) => m a -> a < 1233439469 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: try here http://www.eyrie.org/~zednenem/2004/hsce/index.html < 1233439503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, I am aware that this is an unlikely scenario." < 1233439528 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to see how Data.InfiniteTree qualifies < 1233439572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now is there a use case for these :-P < 1233439619 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the idea is if you find yourself writing repetative code a lot, you might be able to spot that you need a comonad < 1233439644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble thinking of use cases for those types < 1233439813 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am asking about this on #haskell < 1233439922 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-207.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233440063 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1233440068 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problame i guess is that like < 1233440138 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233440161 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _get_ bind < 1233440168 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i _get_ return < 1233440213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: but... < 1233440248 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i _dont_ get is.. wtf do i do with this shit < 1233440260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1233440263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an IO monad < 1233440266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, lemme type th is out < 1233440269 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233440271 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233440295 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233440317 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233440383 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its more that ive never seen any explanation of wtf good monad's are. the form is trivial. bind just unwraps a value and applies a function that wraps it back up < 1233440404 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense, bind is a flat-map < 1233440406 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-102.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233440411 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thats how ive learned it < 1233440429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: http://pastie.org/private/5dk2ijnlme4ikoghy5h0bw < 1233440432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an IO monad < 1233440438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more "theoretical" monads < 1233440444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that will get you pure IO in your lang < 1233440452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way is to build up a bind tree as the main value < 1233440454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazily < 1233440458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recurse through it < 1233440460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :performing the actions < 1233440513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1233440515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return b(result); < 1233440516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1233440548 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233440573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: basically, what a monad gives you there < 1233440576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that IO stuff can't "escape" < 1233440583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put IO into a function that doesn't return an IO value < 1233440583 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o? < 1233440589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the types of bind < 1233440594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to go from (m a) to a < 1233440597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :permanently < 1233440600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233440602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have global variables < 1233440608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not purely functional any more either. < 1233440647 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no real variables as such < 1233440653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird enjoys his warm monad pie < 1233440664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: as long as you can't mutate global shit, IO is safe. < 1233440667 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy ehirds warm monad pie too ;D < 1233440674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233440700 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the language is a rewriting system, so its inherently nothing but state < 1233440700 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233440732 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time, its just a rewrite system, so there are no variables in the normal sense that we think of variables, etc. < 1233440747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a real brain teaser < 1233440752 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres certainly no mutation of those variables. < 1233440757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sirrydoo < 1233440760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1233440763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not contributing < 1233440764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1233440809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just love it when you make a program that only has half an ass, and you hand it out as the course project < 1233440819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the prof sends you an email telling you how great you did in the exam < 1233440822 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, i dont know wtf that pastie is telling me < 1233440831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says he's waiting eagerly to see how great my project was. < 1233440840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think psygnisf_'s main problem is that he doesn't understand english < 1233440851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: that you should use it wisely < 1233440863 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand english fine. you're just not explaining anything :P < 1233440875 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to see process to understand these things < 1233440891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked a question, I answered it, shrug. < 1233440891 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to see what the hell is going on as this thing is used to understand what it actually does < 1233440902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would help if your questions made sense < 1233440904 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you answered it in a way that makes no sense, which amounts to not answering it at all. < 1233440921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense to me, ymmw < 1233440922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ymmv < 1233440935 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you understand monads already < 1233441232 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know. i dont think i can properly comprehend monads nevermind use them in this language. < 1233441238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad pie getting cold? < 1233441244 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233441246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cool pie. < 1233441249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1233441254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling extremely insane atm < 1233441259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi < 1233441266 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just use impure IO stuff. i dont think it'd matter all that much, really. < 1233441277 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're ALWAYS extremely insane < 1233441280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it lazily evaluate, psygnisf_? < 1233441283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, don't even bother < 1233441285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1233441287 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is lazy < 1233441297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: then impure functions won't work < 1233441302 0 :jix!n=jix@p548CA920.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233441303 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1233441329 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i was thinking that IO stuff would force evaluation in the appropriate fashion. < 1233441342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: you can probably come up with semantics just as good as monads, maybe even essentially the same ones, just go for it. < 1233441354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233441358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BELIEVE IN YOURESLF < 1233441360 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how to go about that, oklopol. < 1233441378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your thinking machine. < 1233441379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain. < 1233441380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. < 1233441380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: impure + solve problems if they occur. < 1233441382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think. < 1233441414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do like oklotalk, and evaluate lazily what (probably) has no side-effects :-) < 1233441425 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233441463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have semantics that let you have a 100% lazy, 100% impure system. < 1233441468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They involve seeing. I've told oklopol about them < 1233441474 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i understoof monads i might be able to do something. but.. nobody explains monads adequately to me. < 1233441482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see is to necessitate........ < 1233441482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means that pure equivalent programs can differ... < 1233441486 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i get is a bunch of "here are your axioms kthxbye" < 1233441489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: ITYM "I don't understand them" < 1233441494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not our fault; your problem. < 1233441508 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr? < 1233441513 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say it was your fault < 1233441519 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being a defensive little cunt < 1233441535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1233441541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nobody explains monads adequately to me." < 1233441546 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233441548 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats note blame < 1233441549 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1233441563 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not "its your FAULT i dont get monads!" < 1233441566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said it was blame. < 1233441572 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you did < 1233441577 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not our fault" < 1233441580 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fault is blame < 1233441583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my fault, i broke the vase < 1233441593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1233441602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should do some tunstall encoding now < 1233441634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa you're coding nao? < 1233441636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badum TISH < 1233441638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly this ircing stuff isn't working. < 1233441667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha LOL kinda like *programming* but then well i guess it's not lol :DDDD < 1233441678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1233441685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad oklo. < 1233441804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping ais523 < 1233441837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1233441879 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233442055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first association to "carrier pigeons could be faster" was "unholy scramjet-equipped cyborg-pigeons, an abomination against nature" and not "normal pigeons carrying flash drives". < 1233442068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh# < 1233442073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your mind is awesome. < 1233442086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's the word. < 1233442113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would scramjet-equipped cyborg-pigeons necessarily be an abomination against nature? < 1233442125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have evolved, you know... < 1233442126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think asking that question makes you an abomination against nature. < 1233442146 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisf_: don't worry about understanding them, start by just *using* them and understanding will appear < 1233442157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's trying to write a language. < 1233442165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is lazy. and IO. < 1233442187 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to write haskell? but that's already been written! < 1233442194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses rewriting. < 1233442221 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understanding is over-rated anyways < 1233442225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was thinking painting pigeons black or white to encode 1/0. < 1233442243 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just breed them in two colors < 1233442243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think 'cyborg' implies 'not natural' < 1233442245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: brilliant < 1233442248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make them spotted. < 1233442257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1233442262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum pigeons? < 1233442268 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use three colors, and encode in balanced ternary < 1233442294 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approx. half a bit extra per pidgeon! < 1233442295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, quantum pigeons. no question about it. < 1233442312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm still laughing < 1233442368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no room for understanding in exact sciences. < 1233442389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hacking undoubtedly is (unlike programming) < 1233442608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo's name is steve < 1233442629 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you're just jumping to conclusions. < 1233442635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1233442644 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a computer that used to belong to someone named Steve. < 1233442678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233442774 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo killed steve and stole his computer < 1233442807 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Steve is still alive. Killing him may still have been an effective way of receiving his computer, though. < 1233442862 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're obviously in chock after killing steve, imagining him to still be alive < 1233442875 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you deny it you're in denial! < 1233442897 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow ... head ... going ... to ... explode ... from ... comonads < 1233442902 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats pizza
< 1233442943 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shame. < 1233443260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* SimonRC eats pizza That's a shame < 1233443266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice juxtaposition there < 1233443314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, ads < 1233443353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you could do comb-on ads < 1233443376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going home" < 1233443622 0 :X-Scale!i=email@89.180.44.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233444615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Scale: i always read your nick as an action < 1233444625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks how similar it actually is
< 1233444631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. not very. < 1233444766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1233444773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm away for an hour or so < 1233444779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way too much to read above < 1233444784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1233444795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that much. < 1233444811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233444819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what song that was < 1233444822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1233444823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1233444826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you won't know. < 1233444847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1233444921 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll sing a song, too! < 1233444922 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1233444922 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1233444923 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ee < 1233444926 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii < 1233444928 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1233444929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxxx < 1233445361 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233445742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:57:31 as in, he's going to the bus. < 1233445742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:57:34 to go home. < 1233445748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, away from home < 1233445751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233445755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233445756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's late < 1233445757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not < 1233445765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1233445773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is back home now
< 1233445780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the bus do, then < 1233445800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :home -> town, then later town -> home < 1233445807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1233445814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... town is open at this time? < 1233445815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, approximately. there's also a small walk involved :D < 1233445831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a city < 1233445833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can towns be closed < 1233445834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233445875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :town ~= city center, in this usage < 1233445884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "downtown" is more accurate < 1233445905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/small/short/ < 1233445935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my day schedule is completely chaotic, in case anyone hadn't noticed < 1233446032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaotic is good < 1233446147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does complex numbers' square roots also always have two roots? (as with real ones) < 1233446158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Slereah2 said, except for zero. < 1233446180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fought myself so hard not to make that useless addition :P < 1233446187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1233446217 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT -0 < 1233446233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Slereah2 -----###
< 1233446236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you know, DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN GENERALIZE THAT FOR NTH ROOTS. < 1233446240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NO. bad oklo. < 1233446250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i knew < 1233446282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i almost said that. < 1233446291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you understood that. < 1233446316 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : nth root has n results < 1233446319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, x^n = y^n <=> (x/y)^n = 1, which means everything non-zero has exactly has many roots as 1 has < 1233446328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1233446337 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each one being a rotation of 2pi/n in the complex plane < 1233446366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: exactly, that's the trivial useless thing i managed not to tell firefly.