< 1233100814 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does the fungot bf interpreter terminate? E.g. if I put it in an infinite loop printing something? < 1233100815 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you could ask him to move two seats from mine. it's just werid that it never returned in the first place < 1233100840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: iirc it's pretty robust < 1233100844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: after $lot instructions? < 1233100848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+] < 1233100856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.>+] < 1233100856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :














































































































































































































... < 1233100859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233100862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not meant to break. < 1233100866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1233100878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: fungot is written in befunge < 1233100879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: basically lots of spaces there.) < 1233100880 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't it replace chars <31 with dots? < 1233100881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well i think it also stops after a number of characters < 1233100888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1233100889 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: or is it new zealand... do you do if you keep using the module system command processor chapters. < 1233100950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not all of them, just LF and CR iirc, it was changed so it could do emotes and stuff < 1233100957 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233100967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1233100968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ... < 1233100977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 CTCP-query unknown( ..) from fungot < 1233100978 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. < 1233100978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1233100982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah < 1233100984 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:02:47] Channel CTCP  .. request from fungot [n=fungot@momus.zem.fi] ( .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...), ignored (unrecognized) < 1233100985 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233100995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but the channel censors some others < 1233101008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233101009 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so...if i were to use cps to do any key input without actually matching the keycodes < 1233101011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :a) oko; b) the swatter; c) messing with the topic; d) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric; e) the letter game; f) gay sex. occasionally.; g) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page; h) ehird: bad things happen when 2 year olds realize " wow. i have moral fiber. FireFly: i'll blame them regardless. :-p i just feel optimistic in general. < 1233101018 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1233101035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233101064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the interpreter stops after aaaaaa***** instructions. ("Instructions" here means bytecode instructions, so +++++ counts as a single instruction.) < 1233101090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it also terminates after 88+:* output characters.) < 1233101107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People can't read befunge numbers, fizzie :P < 1233101113 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16*16? < 1233101118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 10^6 and 256, then. < 1233101165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure we can, with a little thought. < 1233101216 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 'a'? < 1233101224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10. < 1233101228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-f push 10-16. < 1233101229 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233101236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-15 < 1233101238 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didnẗ know there were a hex addition < 1233101253 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just knew of 0-9 < 1233101257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comes in Funge-98; doesn't exist in Befunge-93. < 1233101281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've seen at least one "mostly Befunge-93" interpreter that did a-f (and the single-shot string-mode ') as an extension. < 1233101345 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> #" 91+6*:,2+,84*:,:3+,84*2+,>:#,_84*2+,@" is my most creative creation in Befunge so far < 1233101356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuz dat do < 1233101359 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine < 1233101369 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By parsing the stuff inside the string as code < 1233101377 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After pushing it to the mem as a string < 1233101383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm right < 1233101385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The string-mode feature makes it pretty well-suited for quines. < 1233101392 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, combined with # < 1233101415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is # a bouncal < 1233101426 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It jumps over the next command < 1233101429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1233101442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, but a different kind than i thought. < 1233101446 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I basicly jump over the " that enters string-mode < 1233101456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the great thing about inventing your own words < 1233101462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're wrong, no one will know < 1233101462 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underload interpreter termination condition is even more arbitrary, since it's ffaa***, so 225000. Not sure why. Since it counts Underload commands, it's easy to get a rather slow Underload program by just ":*"ing up two strings that are close to half of the stack size limit, then looping with (~:^):^. < 1233101504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a suparene observation < 1233101522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol i almost googled that. < 1233101534 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't contain "gold" at least < 1233101542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: better arbitrary than base 10 < 1233101572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay math time ---> < 1233102241 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233102316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, from 2003-01-something to 2008-10-31, 786499 lines were said here. < 1233102321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800k. Not really that many... < 1233102346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take 9 straight days to read the logs, assuming 1line/sec < 1233102365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably like nearing a month to read them all if you allocated a bit of your day to it < 1233102428 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is valuable < 1233102577 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzzzz" < 1233102612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is slightly startled by his watch
< 1233102629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1233102631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has day names in both english and german < 1233102645 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time flies like an arrow, FireFly's a banana < 1233102658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it's in english, but for a brief time each night it goes by the german one < 1233102666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so currently it reads "DIE" :D < 1233102689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, abbreviated to 3 letters) < 1233102719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: a burning banana? < 1233102731 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my watch is like that- < 1233102744 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has english and spanish, spanish is what's normally on < 1233102755 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is yours a citizen? < 1233102769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lorus, it says < 1233102853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a russian in canada, with his watch set to spanish? < 1233102865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente is a polyglot < 1233102875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente do you know toki pona or is that someone else < 1233102995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente < 1233103036 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233103045 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am that someone else < 1233103054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente how do you say "segmentation fault" in toki pona :P < 1233103067 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pakala" < 1233103073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...really? < 1233103075 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233103076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting "you can't". < 1233103083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does pakala literally mean? < 1233103094 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creator of toki pona was in #linguistics today, actually < 1233103107 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "Bugger up" < 1233103118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233103133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: I take it that applies to all error? < 1233103146 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233103149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1233103177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn toki pona. < 1233103180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be fun. < 1233103721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: So I take it technical discussion in toki pona is near-impossibl < 1233103722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1233103804 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1233103853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this is a feature < 1233103874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should design a toki pona programming language. The only error message is "pakala" < 1233103904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name alone tells us it's intended for pacific paradise islands without modern technology. < 1233103962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some paradise. < 1233103975 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pakala, tu ala, nasa jan! (note, I know none of the grammar, so I put them in a random vaguely english-like order) < 1233104219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: Doesn't toki pona kind of rely on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis being strongly true? < 1233104316 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strongly true, or maybe strongly false, something like that < 1233104390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: how strongly false? It's meant to change how you think. < 1233104407 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is it? < 1233104420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can become a sort of "yoga for the mind". Instead of getting caught in negative thoughts and anxiety, you learn to relax, meditate and explore your relationship to life itself. < 1233104426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Training your mind to think in Toki Pona can lead to many deeper insights about yourself or the world around you. < 1233104428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1233104430 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck? < 1233104441 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did sonja write that? < 1233104493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233104497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tokipona.org/intro.html < 1233104502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :section Wisdom and True Meaning < 1233104512 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrible < 1233104525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly bullshit < 1233104527 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then sonja is a profoundly fucked up individual < 1233104531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233104532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1233104551 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she wrote that, for one! < 1233104561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other...? < 1233104562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1233104820 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233105466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamente: More bullshit: "medical benefits" http://www.tokipona.org/ponasijelo.html < 1233106146 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233106152 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233106171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[<+++++<+++<++<+<++[>]<-]<-<-<<<-<<+++++[>+++++<-]>[>+>[++++>][<]>-]>>.---.>..>.<<<.>>>>.<.+++.<.<-.<+. < 1233106172 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233106261 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233106318 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko! < 1233106351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1233106351 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means eye in toki pona < 1233106362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki pona! < 1233106402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means good language in toki pona < 1233106679 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo! < 1233106697 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ek, orl? < 1233106711 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means olrek in not backwards ese. < 1233106720 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my Translation-Creds have run out. < 1233106877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does kerlo mean in lojban? < 1233106882 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ear. < 1233106886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233106920 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a metaphor. Maybe. :-P < 1233106922 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233106927 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name means table < 1233106940 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Asztal's name. < 1233106956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lojban? < 1233106966 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian < 1233107785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres this language, armenian, written with a funky alphabet, and one joke about the written language is that it looks like hu muh umun unuuu mumuhu mukum unum utuh mumhumuhum < 1233107791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well.. it does, a lot. < 1233107812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've suggested in #isharia that someone make an eso conlang that looks like that when romanized < 1233107834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1233107854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is hmnu or some other similar stuff < 1233107873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233107881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we could make similar analogies here < 1233107889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an esolang that mocks lisp < 1233107900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything literally is ()))((())()))(()) < 1233107901 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'th not very nithe < 1233107913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that has been done < 1233107932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it? < 1233107940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brackets < 1233107947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not exactly the same < 1233107974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1233107980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close < 1233107984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much extra < 1233107988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>(()[Brackets])<()0)}())[)()0))(]])1) < 1233107988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <>>([)0)>[0]{(]()2)()))([)0))([])1)(]])2) < 1233107991 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that code < 1233108000 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do yo see that? that is way too comprehensible! :| < 1233108013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, i can practically read that! < 1233108032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be your linguist training < 1233108038 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233108153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there should be something closer but i don't know how to search for it < 1233109188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: pong < 1233110210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233110966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :d < 1233110967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233111115 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1233114173 0 :Kinjet!n=Kinjet@ppp118-208-173-168.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233114197 0 :Kinjet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233114227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :historyofspam? < 1233114228 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233114240 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233117347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233120960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233124968 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago we were talking about fastly implementing brainfuck, specifically bounds checking on the tap < 1233125016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way is probably to just mmap 2 gb and put a gaurd page on either end < 1233125018 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're done < 1233125032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stupid reallocing or anything < 1233125046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1233125056 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck memory checking is O(1) for sufficiently large values of 1 < 1233125068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1233125503 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233125730 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1233125783 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233126026 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233127222 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233127368 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233127374 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233127988 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233128006 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128056 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128072 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233128115 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128127 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233128568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233128581 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233128758 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233129599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233129600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233130176 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-178.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233131164 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a good parser generator/library for python? < 1233131211 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLY? < 1233131271 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec < 1233131467 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLY seems interesting... couldn't find Parsec >_> < 1233131642 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233132896 0 :NerdyChic!n=NerdOLic@c-24-18-138-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233132987 0 :NerdyChic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233133132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1233133178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bsearch() is slower than a simple linear search with "stop if passed the value we searched for" in certain cases. < 1233133195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about a custom binary search instead
< 1233133267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes I did large tests and plotted the results) < 1233133360 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233133367 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233134638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for custom the difference is so small in this case that the mean of 500 runs varies less than 0.00001 between custom binary search and the linear search. Heh. < 1233135028 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233135336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1233135361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing the best way to search for fingerprint to load, and a linear search is faster than bsearch() for some reason. < 1233135369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233135375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A custom binary search is just about as fast as a linear search < 1233135469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea why? < 1233135483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're on a small array < 1233135498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary is only faster than linear if you have a lot of elements < 1233135501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 entries < 1233135505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233135510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple algorithms tend to be faster on small numbers of entries no matter what their computational class < 1233135518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1233135518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, lsearching 30 entries is trivial for a computer < 1233135531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsearching involves lots of complicated comparisons and looping and out-of-order memory accesses < 1233135536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the array stride is quite large < 1233135542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had 100000 fingerprints, the bsearch would probably be faster < 1233135572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array stride = 48 bytes < 1233135580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm searching an array of structs < 1233135586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the first field in the struct < 1233135607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1233135660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess maybe cache matters too? < 1233135677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, but that's unlikely to be the reason < 1233135688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233135689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233135716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the way Mike Riley is going, I guess bsearch will be faster soon ;) < 1233135818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233135853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, mycology doesn't test 3DSP right? < 1233135876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cfunge implements that one < 1233135888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if mycology doesn't test it, ccbi doesn't implement it < 1233135896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1233135911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does it? < 1233135926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_3dsp.d, yet I can't find it when grepping mycology < 1233135941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1233135970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is 3DSP? < 1233136007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3D space manipulation extension" is the official name, but actually it is FPSP-style matrix operatiosn < 1233136009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations* < 1233136013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vectors < 1233136023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1233136041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I'm slightly scared at all the "useful" operations that Befunge is accumulating... < 1233136041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot product or vector, matrix translation and so on < 1233136056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is mostly due to RC/Funge I'm afraid < 1233136060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half of them are insane < 1233136067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like malloc() stuff for funge and what not < 1233136097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them I'm never going to implement. < 1233136167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get xkcd today... < 1233136304 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I'm in first place on something :-) http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?google#Brainfuck < 1233136323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ah, I remember anagold < 1233136325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anagolf < 1233136331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play it a lot, but haven't checked in recently < 1233136371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf size = 114 < 1233136379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge size = 26 < 1233136381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233136396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Befunge has loads more commands and also string literals, it's easily going to win in a problem like that < 1233136401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233136411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash and awk = 25 < 1233136443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python = 25 too < 1233136443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is a special one, because it allows you to call out to external programs < 1233136449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl = 17 < 1233136450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas most of the others don't by default < 1233136458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it says "exec denied" < 1233136461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233136463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true for bash too? < 1233136465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash always has exec allowed, though < 1233136470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1233136470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what the global setting < 1233136473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure bash is fun < 1233136487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GolfScript == 14?! < 1233136601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GolfScript is an esolang specifically designed to give small programs < 1233136611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you get xkcd today? < 1233136616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it's beatable with a newly designed language, it beats everything else on anagolf's list hollow < 1233136620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't read xkcd < 1233136637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "Mind of Mencia" < 1233136677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... seems like a humor program according to wikipedia. Then xkcd make even less sense < 1233137289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unusually mad concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain < 1233137368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, that's very clever, but insane < 1233137375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1233137383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it might lead to the destruction of the surrounding countryside, or possibly the entire Earth, if the power supply failed < 1233137411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I think it would need enormous amount of energy... < 1233137416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1233137430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia thinks it wouldn't survive re-entry, though, so you would only have a minor disaster on your hands < 1233137478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I just received an email saying "door controllers not working" < 1233137484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was the internal doors this time for a change < 1233137502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also would transporting people in that work? I mean the G force would be rather huge wouldn't it? < 1233137516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you can't get in? < 1233137521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I am in < 1233137527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233137529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely convinced that I could get back out again < 1233137529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get out? < 1233137532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may try later today < 1233137533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1233137534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked yet < 1233137544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doors are generally quite good at opening from the inside, though < 1233137547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233137567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, space elevator though, that sounds quite sane nowdays < 1233137603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the fountain < 1233137608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're both insane, personally < 1233137627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, possibly < 1233137651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would someone have thought the space shuttle insane back in 1850? < 1233137663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again probably < 1233137671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, some people think the space shuttle insane even in 2009 < 1233137715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, from an environmental viewpoint the whole rocket launch concept is insane... < 1233137720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233137740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case a space elevator would actually be sane :D < 1233137745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe not, I reckon most rocket fuels could be derivable from renewable sources in theory < 1233137796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about emissions? < 1233137821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, CO2 would be removed from the atmosphere as the fuels were made < 1233137836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water vapour is unlikely to be much of a problem, it can cause global warming but most of it won't be at the right height < 1233137842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitrous oxides might be problematic < 1233137849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233137854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop < 1233137856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233137928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that one? < 1233137934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_ring < 1233137935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading it now < 1233138639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what do you think? < 1233138661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think that they're probably less insane than space elevators < 1233138668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, I'm not entirely sure they'll be relevant any time soon < 1233138674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't have high-volume space traffic yet < 1233138676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1233138691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is maybe because of the costs? < 1233138707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1233138726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think we need to solve the environment issues first instead < 1233146673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lunch" < 1233148582 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233148946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233149582 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233149586 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233151265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: learn APL. trust me: http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 < 1233151315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, se.? why? < 1233151322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the reddit link was se. < 1233151331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when did ais523 part < 1233151342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1233151344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:44:33 < 1233151344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour ago < 1233151345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233151347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lunch < 1233151352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1233151355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have scrollback < 1233151356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233151379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I was in #haskell overnight < 1233151392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when the bouncer spewed the backlog at me, it crashed my poor client because #haskell is really fucking active < 1233151398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, froze it up. < 1233151404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd have to open the logfile. < 1233151480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was testing the best way to search for fingerprint to load < 1233151487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it occur to you that that is not your bottleneck? < 1233151497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was watching that video... < 1233151501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is insane :D < 1233151519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also awesome. < 1233151524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1233151526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also how comes your client froze from it? < 1233151533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sounds like a poorly designed one < 1233151539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because #haskell is really damn active (it's hard to keep up with) < 1233151543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was offline for many hours < 1233151550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bouncer doesn't do delays < 1233151553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just shoots it < 1233151572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for example < 1233151573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also in #haskell, and ##linux, and #gentoo, all very active. And lots of other channels. When I reconnect the client is kind of slow for about 5 seconds or so < 1233151585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when left over night < 1233151586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell logs are 500KB on average < 1233151587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per day < 1233151594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and? I'm in there too < 1233151603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have been disconnected over night as well < 1233151607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the whole of 500KB, my client - written in Ruby, and using Cocoa... not the fastest combination - < 1233151613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets the line < 1233151613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1233151615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :processes it < 1233151617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts it in the log < 1233151620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my client is written in elisp < 1233151623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts it in the "view of everything else" < 1233151627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom of the sceen < 1233151629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the logging is done in bouncer < 1233151631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in client < 1233151632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat for ~500KB worth of lines < 1233151636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: umm, no shit < 1233151647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets the log from the server < 1233151649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts it in its log < 1233151718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is "Mind of Mencia" < 1233151745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carlos Mencia is a douchebag "comedian" that steals all his jokes and isn't funny in the slightest. At least, that's what the interwebs hivemind says. < 1233151766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233151912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok APL is really "wow", but the keyboard layout must be horrible < 1233151919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a keyboard layout, IIRC < 1233151919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a font < 1233151926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you type with a regular ascii keyboard and get APL instead < 1233151933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-key operators, I think < 1233151941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in modern ones < 1233151944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old ones had their own keyboard < 1233151953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also check out J and K, which are basically ascii apl < 1233151956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're less cool. < 1233151957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds rather irritating to type, I mean somewhat like { is AltGr-7 on Swedish keyboards < 1233151963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is irritating when coding in C < 1233151972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it balances out because you barely need to type. < 1233151979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe < 1233152004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dyalog.com/linux.htm Dyalog APL (used in that video) for Linux < 1233152008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no download linnk, though. < 1233152013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's non-free, of course. < 1233152017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux License Fees < 1233152020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Developer 32 bit incl. Support & Upgrades < 1233152025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annual license fee < 1233152026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£1050 < 1233152044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe APL is popular enough for that to actually be profitable :-P < 1233152128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very expensive < 1233152132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not a lot buy it < 1233152151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like those VHDL stuff, so few buy it that the per-unit price must be very very high < 1233152179 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:12:43] which is irritating when coding in C < 1233152183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.... that isn't correct... stuff is singular < 1233152185 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stuck in my hands < 1233152191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so replace "those" < 1233152194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, um? < 1233152205 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I press altgr+7 so often that I'm used t o it < 1233152207 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1233152221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well too, but it is still irritating < 1233152247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wonder if there is any open source APL implementation < 1233152256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. They probably suck too. < 1233152275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wonder what befunge-98 in APL would look like. Apart from that most people wouldn't be able to read it < 1233152276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. < 1233152277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1233152281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Concise. :p < 1233152287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, heck, fungespace would be trivial < 1233152287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233152298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but what about IO? < 1233152308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to read/write files < 1233152324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I think most APL implementations have system interface libraries < 1233152332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not meant to use them < 1233152336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1233152339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed world style? < 1233152351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most APL programmers don't make binaries. < 1233152363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. <-- maybe because they seem to be write-once languages? < 1233152366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily, as far as I can tell, they develop in the REPL and stuff, < 1233152370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's run from there < 1233152381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nah, I can read that stuff to a degree < 1233152384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a learning curve < 1233152396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, and a different paradigm < 1233152402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> learning curve < 1233152423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes the learning curve unusually steep < 1233152452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://nsl.com/papers/befunge93.htm Befunge-93 in K, with a GUI interface < 1233152464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very impressive. < 1233152465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GUI? < 1233152469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233152470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233152471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, you can watch the IP go around < 1233152472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edit there < 1233152478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also has a console interface. < 1233152484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder about speed < 1233152487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://nsl.com/k/befunge93.k < 1233152498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so short! < 1233152501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concise yes < 1233152512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that INCLUDES the gui < 1233152522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-98 would of course be a bit longer, but yes very concise < 1233152523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only like 2 pages of code < 1233152536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't very readable though < 1233152544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know K? < 1233152547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? that explains it then :P < 1233152559 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a single command of that < 1233152560 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1233152561 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W.P:80 25#,," " / program window < 1233152562 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W.P..bg:{:[_i~|P[1;2];999900;999999]} / yellow cell is current pointer < 1233152567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like some of those "lots of operators, but 1D" languages "B::"";b:{[f]if[~#B;B::0:`];r:f B;B::(#r)_ B;r}" < 1233152568 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty small < 1233152575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hm? < 1233152576 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, short < 1233152579 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code < 1233152580 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compact < 1233152581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233152582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233152586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233152597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that has any explicit loops at all < 1233152602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most APL/J/K programs don't < 1233152619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they use vector operations instead, since array programming language) < 1233152635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I wonder how fast it would run game of life? as fast as jitfunge? < 1233152640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/ has a bunch of other APL/J/K code btw < 1233152643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um... no :P < 1233152651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be not very fast. < 1233152653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably not as fast as cfunge either ;) < 1233152662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge is very fast at it < 1233152664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably around ccbi speed, I guess. < 1233152679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... that isn't too bad < 1233152681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The array programming language family have _very_ optimised vector operations) < 1233152687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1233152700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would have to < 1233152748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233152769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: here's something impressive: < 1233152783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-befunge, someone should make it... (yes I realise this means me probably... and I might if I have time at some point) < 1233152786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1233152790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1233152802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sec" is impressive? < 1233152803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233152822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shortest sudoku solver, evar, in K: < 1233152823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f:{$[&/x;,x;,/f'@[x;i;:;]'&27=x[,/p i:x?0]?!10]} < 1233152827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by the creator of K < 1233152832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _really_ short < 1233152851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a comment from him: < 1233152852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a few more bytes with a greedy algorithm is one million times faster on some harder puzzles .. (30ms instead of 1 hour) " < 1233152854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: OK, that's very clever, but insane <-- that comment *could* have been about APL, but in fact it was about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain < 1233152868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I read the logs :P < 1233152881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, have you seen the sudoku solved in *.deb < 1233152884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the package manager < 1233152887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so yes < 1233152892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg or apt or whatever it is < 1233152905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember which part handles what < 1233152935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did he post that longer version? < 1233152946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can see, it's probably on the google somewhere < 1233153006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... lets invent AQ9+ < 1233153011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not :p < 1233153020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like HQ9+ but has s for "solve sudoku" < 1233153029 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why A? < 1233153035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not SQ9+ ? < 1233153037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, because it doesn't make sense :D < 1233153041 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1233153046 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SudoKu < 1233153048 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SudoQ < 1233153056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233153062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo ku? < 1233153062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it ku < 1233153066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrr AnMaster < 1233153069 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1233153069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop stealing my bad jokes < 1233153070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah I won by one second < 1233153082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me: < 1233153082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31 someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31 sudo ku? < 1233153088 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I won by 5 secs in thinking < 1233153092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it was clearly unconnected) < 1233153094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hee < 1233153102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for me it was 15:31:01 sudo ku? 15:31:02 someone make a sudoku program that only runs as root < 1233153107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ku would of course have to be a KDE program < 1233153115 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1233153116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, unconnected < 1233153125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ksu ku then? < 1233153133 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd had to be a "Q" program, so that the KDE one is Ku < 1233153135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ksu exists < 1233153135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: isn't it kdesu < 1233153141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1233153142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know, you're meant to use it < 1233153142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1233153146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid home directory stuff I think < 1233153160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it seems to be < 1233153170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read kdesu as "K desu" and then I read it as "K desu desu desu desu desu desu" and then I die. < 1233153179 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233153188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles desu since he forgot what that meme was about
< 1233153215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by now it's more or less completely meaningless. < 1233153215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# A Japanese copula, or word used to grammatically link a subject and predicate. i.e. It is a Japanese verb meaning "to be"." "# An abbreviation for Delaware State University." < 1233153218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore zen. < 1233153221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the third meaning: < 1233153225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# The nickname of Suiseiseki, a fictional character in Rozen Maiden, which is also used as a meme." < 1233153236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Desu, but the likelyhood of you clicking an ED link is approximately 0 < 1233153254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, safe for work? < 1233153262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not later down the page. < 1233153281 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcaW_ZYWSbo < 1233153287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty od < 1233153287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1233153308 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting how many meanings one word can have < 1233153314 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing the subs to the vocals < 1233153322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1233153347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cavemanime: "ug ug ug ug ug ug ug ug ug" < 1233153396 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233154806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Perhaps one should study Japanese. ;) < 1233154816 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1233155116 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"yay, kde 4.2!" < 1233155476 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233155501 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233155535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: impomatic: ah, I remember anagold <<< lul i did the same typo < 1233155718 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to implement Underload < 1233155869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is fun < 1233155987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The APL/J/K kind of languages seem to have something about them leading to that. <<< maybe because they're point-free for the most part? < 1233156000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that related to having shitty open source implementations < 1233156002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1233156006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1233156033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were referring to being hard to read, based on what anmaster answered < 1233156057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1233156060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1233156066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget i said that or i will kill you. < 1233156078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol learn apl < 1233156308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooo < 1233156313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm done with my j's < 1233156329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still far from good at it. < 1233156356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl is cooler. < 1233156366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch el vid now < 1233156881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j would do that the same way, except some of the stuff like "apply to each" there can be omitted in j < 1233156919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but it looks cooler < 1233156926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ap fucking l and has its own character set < 1233156928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. it's weirder. < 1233156986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway would be so cool to be able to write j/apl that fast < 1233156992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it just looks so awesome < 1233157001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1233157019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i probably could if i wrote it a bit more, i haven't really tried writing anything in it, so i'm fairly slow. < 1233157049 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should implement Sir. Cut < 1233157059 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, but it didn't work out well < 1233157230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hortont.com/racarr/?p=27 < 1233157230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpu life < 1233157267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hashlife tho < 1233157267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233157392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Life < 1233157493 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'only "20 cartridges or less" of Video Life were ever made.' < 1233157501 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be quite valuable < 1233157508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also quite slow :P < 1233158135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233158139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have a GoL quesitonnnnnnnnnnnnnn < 1233158151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be possible to be really efficient by storing the neighbour count of cells? < 1233158154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just switching based on that < 1233158268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One still needs to store each cell's state and update the state of the surrounding cells... < 1233158282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that takes up a fuckton of memory. < 1233158320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be really efficient, go with hashlife. ;) < 1233158429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you just move the problem of checking all neighbors. < 1233158458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get one check for deciding next state, but you'd have to propagate the state to neighboring neighbor counts < 1233158465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to sp -> < 1233161092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tokipona in too many lines: < 1233161093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Potkan has joined (n=Potkan@a40-unl1-2-27.static.adsl.vol.cz) < 1233161093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Saluton. < 1233161095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 toki :) < 1233161097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 Good evening. < 1233161099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 toki < 1233161101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 coi < 1233161103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hej < 1233161105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hello < 1233161107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 coi < 1233161109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 saluton < 1233161111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hej < 1233161113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44 hello < 1233161115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1233161117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still at it . < 1233163282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is sure having a long lunch... < 1233163430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1233163730 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233163805 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233164578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: < 1233164873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A type system powerful enough to express exactly what a function does would be quite nice." < 1233164877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aka, a programming language. < 1233164883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ihope 2007-07-30) < 1233165283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking about a stack-based logic programming language < 1233165513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made a program snippet that solved a sudoku with it < 1233165520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was longer than the k thing < 1233165521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1233165521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show < 1233165523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like k. < 1233165526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshowshow < 1233165567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i kinda deleted the thingie. < 1233165577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was fairly half-assed < 1233165579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REWRITE IT < 1233165583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233165591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SOUNDS PHUN MOBILE < 1233165651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1233165769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah how the fuck does k do it :| < 1233165794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST GIMME THE KOE < 1233165863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this: A(1,9)@A(3,3)/adA(1,9)/adA(9,1)/ad < 1233165892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude that's pretty um how did it work < 1233165894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the solving just means specifying the rules of sudoku < 1233165899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1233165907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm talked to) < 1233165961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol now write it IN APL < 1233166025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, A(1,9)@ means all elements of A are from set {1, 2.. 9} < 1233166035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1233166038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not stack based < 1233166041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is predefined splicings. < 1233166045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is. < 1233166059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you can't really see it because i named the array. < 1233166086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(3,3)/ad; (3,3)/ is a splicing that splits the axes evenly in three parts, same semantics as in oklotalk < 1233166142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad is just alldiff, its rank is 1 < 1233166149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also an array-processing language ofc) < 1233166179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack-based logic programming array-processing language < 1233166203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't have to name it, but here it's shorter that way < 1233166209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't name ANYTHING :| < 1233166210 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-blpa-pl < 1233166248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just do the operations on shallow copies of A using ":" < 1233166258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume it's tos < 1233166263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello lament < 1233166265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you? < 1233166355 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1233166361 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a loser baby < 1233166364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't you kill me < 1233166409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a good song < 1233166496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233166502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:11 hello lament < 1233166503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:11 who are you? < 1233166504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12 hi < 1233166506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12 i'm a loser baby < 1233166508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 so why don't you kill me < 1233166510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 yeah that's a good song < 1233166512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of #esoteric. < 1233166681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty depressing. < 1233166710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: protip: oklopol is never serious < 1233166713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when he's serious < 1233166732 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always serious, even when I'm not. < 1233166753 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that make me all that different from oklopol? < 1233166780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1233166841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, you are an antipo[ld] < 1233166860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... antipo(l|de) < 1233166877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233167165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: DO YOU STILL KNOW MENTAL IS AN ANAGRAMMAR OF YOUR NICK? < 1233167189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like "wow cool, wait old" < 1233167213 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you noticed i was 'lamente' for a few days < 1233167221 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means 'the mind' in Spanish < 1233167234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick is punny < 1233167266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH! < 1233167288 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ment means mind in catalan, i wonder if the article is still 'la' < 1233167350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mente_(psicolog%C3%ADa) < 1233167396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, i think it works < 1233167401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick means 'the mind' in Catalan < 1233167556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh. < 1233167567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"actually 'ment' means..." i thought that was a typo of "meant" < 1233167608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was kinda wondering why you completely ignored what i said; now i realize it's because i was being an idiot. < 1233168049 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1233168609 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-59-231.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is 23 your IQ? < 1233169192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-08-02, on the subject of asiekierka's IQ < 1233169200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the nick "squazr23") < 1233169207 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear these iq tests are a bunch of woodoo magic. < 1233169536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka's bot was amusing < 1233169537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A computer is a body fluid that carries food and obtaining energy and vital substances from within the body. < 1233169566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense to me < 1233169692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: The lungs are organs used for filtering urine from the blood. < 1233169704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiebot is a tree native to australia where it is the basic living substance of all the judges i've had the strangest dream... I dreamed i killed you again. < 1233169710 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-126.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233169739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a markov thing or ? < 1233169747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a megahal < 1233169749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should remember :| < 1233169752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since asiekierka can't program < 1233169761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, markov chain essentially < 1233169780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i see < 1233169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233169814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: You love ehird`. < 1233169815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has some convobot ideas
< 1233169884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: Blood is a cell which receives and transmits electrical impulses. < 1233169887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: Say stfu to the muzzle of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator." - george w. Bush. < 1233169938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Ehird` is not a dumb computer program that translates high level language code into machine language code. < 1233169960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00:57 asiebot: What is love? < 1233169960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:01:09 asiekierka: I hate you. < 1233169992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: I guess if someone says "fuck is a limb extending from the initials of other words. < 1233170055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiekierka is a sensory organ found on the head with the mzx community and pancake, and the anger from someone poking me. < 1233170066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird`: Asiekierka is a bony girdle in vertebrates that connects the head with the mzx community and pancake, and the anger from someone poking me. < 1233170159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A pub is a confectionery made from cocoa beans. < 1233170356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1233170360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when is that from? < 1233170363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 < 1233170366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233170372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of bot was asiebot? < 1233170375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov? < 1233170380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megahal, so yes. < 1233170385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more intelligent than its owner < 1233170386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asiekierka] < 1233170400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard < 1233170430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded < 1233170433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed < 1233170466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so the bot would win in a turing test if asie was the human? < 1233170478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1233170545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smarter != wins the turing test < 1233170558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, true < 1233170579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would be fun if the bot faked being the human < 1233170581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233170583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse < 1233170584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1233170591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human faked being the bot < 1233170611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think the human faked being the bot? < 1233170615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a human manage to act as incoherent as a bot? < 1233170618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I wonder < 1233170626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a kind of reverse turing test < 1233170638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, and I don't think the human faked, I just suggest it would be fun to try < 1233170642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting. Tell me more. < 1233170646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233170661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think haha? < 1233170682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned a faked human before? Tell me more about your faked human. < 1233170825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hey, running two Eliza against each other is fun, you need something to start them off though < 1233170975 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233171065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see two fungots talking to each other < 1233171066 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you think it's good that he knows what he's talking about a real bite though. more like doing what is in the same sentence as per bothner will probably give riastradh a fish! < 1233171071 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just like that < 1233171093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, that cause an annoying endless loopi < 1233171094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop* < 1233171099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened before < 1233171100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per bothner will probably give riastradh a fish! < 1233171102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search logs < 1233171102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233171102 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233171137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, however after that fungot started limited number of same lines per person < 1233171137 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't have scheme48, i assume < 1233171140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying infinite loop? seriously, two bots talking to each other = annoying infinite loop? that's just.. surprising :O < 1233171152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will only answer the same person 4 times in a row < 1233171159 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233171160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before ignoring until someone else speak too it < 1233171162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1233171165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1233171173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3 bot loop is still possible < 1233171176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and annoying < 1233171223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyt < 1233171304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, New York Times? < 1233171314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1233171319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then what? < 1233171325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was writing on another channel < 1233171330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my mouse was happy < 1233171332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wrong tab < 1233171359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, accidentally clicked it open at the last few chars < 1233171359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then it is customary to write: " < 1233171361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1233171365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /w < 1233171366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1233171367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233171375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUZ DAT MEAN < 1233171379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233171389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever used irssi? < 1233171395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1233171409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not saying I like irssi < 1233171419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1233171426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you think you're being funny < 1233171429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1233171431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying it is funny when they manage to write " /w 23" or such < 1233171440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not trying to be funny < 1233171445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo < 1233171473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en minä nyt oikein tajua mistä puhutte, taidan jatkaa algebran tehtävien kyöntiä < 1233171490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does that mean? < 1233171494 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in English? < 1233171589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of writing in finnish if i just translate it right after < 1233171607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what the fuck, i've been doing this exercise for 50 minutes now < 1233171613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point taken < 1233171616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one voluntary exercise < 1233171623 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exercise? < 1233171626 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you exercise? < 1233171642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well algebra, i'm never sure what term to use for uni schoolwork < 1233171653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call them "demonstrations" < 1233171682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the situation is called, but so are the exercises for some reason. < 1233171690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm situation < 1233171700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean when you liek demonstrate them to the class and shit. < 1233171708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll anyway < 1233171711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues
< 1233171715 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ay < 1233171717 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay* < 1233171722 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 'ay would work too < 1233171729 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe < 1233171739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google translate handle *.fi? < 1233171766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1233171768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I now I really understand what you are talking about, going to continue the algebra of kyöntiä" < 1233171776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, interesting < 1233171790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "really"? < 1233171793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first sentence is negated < 1233171811 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add an ! in front of it < 1233171819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean it should have been "I now really doesn't understand what you are talking about"? < 1233171821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda weird. < 1233171824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "now" then < 1233171828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes exactly. < 1233171843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is a major fail of google < 1233171844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "now i don't really understand what you're talking about..." < 1233171849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233171850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233171855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1233171866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in a different place in finnish, but almost the same construct < 1233171877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and where is the negation bit? < 1233171889 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do NOT < 1233171893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm? right there? < 1233171895 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT is the keyword < 1233171896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in the original... < 1233171898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1233171902 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233171909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, google did fail the latter part of the sentence, but so would fizzie. < 1233171919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't exactly expecting you to care what i said. < 1233171919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why would he fail? < 1233171932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we care! < 1233171937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because "kyö" is a verb used only by vjn. < 1233171943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kyödä" to be exact < 1233171945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fun < 1233171972 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lost me somewhere near token 1 on row 1 < 1233171978 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. the first word < 1233171978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means pretty much anything, we have tons of words you need to guess from context. < 1233171985 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the finnish version < 1233171988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233171995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you can understand Norwegian but Finnish is just strange... < 1233172018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language family mess up over there I'm afraid < 1233172033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it closest to Japanese or something? I forgot < 1233172039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay second attempt at the exercise; fucked up an equation there < 1233172039 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian I believe it is? < 1233172051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably get matlab or something < 1233172052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1233172078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hung yes < 1233172098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I think it was oklopol or fizzie that claimed that a Finnish thought a lot of foreign people thought "Noika" was Japanese < 1233172107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nookia < 1233172108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1233172110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nokia < 1233172122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1233172132 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe, I dunno < 1233172141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was Finnish < 1233172163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooo gcc 4.3.3 hit stable on arch linux < 1233172192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :released like 4 days ago... < 1233172214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux is probably the most bleeding edge distro I know < 1233172394 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb < 1233172395 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1233172568 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233172568 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233172572 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233172659 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam subject line: "There is a little mess in your pants - change it to a big order." < 1233172662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the F***?!?!?! < 1233172668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1233172674 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1233172698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the well-ordering principle < 1233173051 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1233173097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should look at Lojban. < 1233173275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1233173308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he certainly did :P < 1233173317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kerlo, < 1233173480 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233173637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I always thought it was Finnish <<< probably living closer to nokia than i do, you're not exactly a prime example of a foreigner. < 1233173695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finished the exercise! < 1233173738 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233173743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1233173748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are all the immense congratulations < 1233173785 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/' < 1233173790 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy now? < 1233173857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing in yer hand is it a present for me < 1233173872 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a typo :D < 1233173877 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have it for free < 1233173878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1233173882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE TYPOS! < 1233173886 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gdoo < 1233174145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I always thought it was Finnish <<< probably living closer to nokia than i do, you're not exactly a prime example of a foreigner. <-- eh? < 1233174156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean closer? < 1233174169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically closer < 1233174172 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested quoting on IRC < 1233174173 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233174181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1233174188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Stockholm is closer to any part of Finland than I am < 1233174204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and do i live in stockholm? < 1233174206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got no idea where in Finland Nokia is < 1233174219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no but Stockholm is pretty far from Finland < 1233174228 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233174244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live about 150 km from stockholm, nokia is a lot farther. < 1233174271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens google earth
< 1233174271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i was indeed lying about you living closer than me; but the difference is not that great < 1233174284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1233174287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that you < 1233174291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so what is the distance for you? < 1233174296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might catch my bullshits. < 1233174300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea. < 1233174310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what do you mean "your bullshits"? < 1233174316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed." < 1233174318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you < 1233174341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproducible every time I start it < 1233174357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i mean i'm throwing the numbers from absolutely nowhere. < 1233174358 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if they wrote "the Earth" < 1233174369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, eh? < 1233174383 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're sorry, but the Earth has crashed." < 1233174392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1233174392 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if it'd be their fault if the world ended < 1233174403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs testing version
< 1233174498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if your seriously going to measure, i live in turku < 1233174512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes I am if I get google earth running < 1233174520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you don't know that, i've mentioned it quite a few times < 1233174560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed I didn't remember the name of the city < 1233174571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just use the mesh-current method to find the branch currents < 1233174574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, best would of course be from the correct house < 1233174587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? < 1233174595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i'm not sure i want to divulge that < 1233174605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and your CC number of course too! < 1233174606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233174609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very close to campus < 1233174621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway what did you mean with " well just use the mesh-current method to find the branch currents" < 1233174624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps. < 1233174644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1233174652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth were you talking about < 1233174655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lol just assume it's random if you don't get it :P < 1233174661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very close to campus, if that helps < 1233174662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live < 1233174664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233174666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very, very close. < 1233174703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turku == Åbo? < 1233174707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233174708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Earth thinks so < 1233174718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku is the international name afaik < 1233174723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i hope it is < 1233174730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åbo is the swedish name < 1233174773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from you to Nokia about 132 km < 1233174787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that close :O < 1233174792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from you to Stockholm around 265 km < 1233174804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, by roads it may be longer < 1233174808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is straight line < 1233174839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pretty straight highway there, it's just i thought it was a lot futher down it. < 1233174842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from me to Nokia: ca 530 km < 1233174852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. i guess a bit more then. < 1233174853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to give the distance to any other point < 1233174860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want you to triangulate my position < 1233174860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233174863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233174887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far do you live from me just out of curiosity < 1233174890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually put that marker wrong, it is more like 560 km < 1233174894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no! < 1233174905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1233174909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost fooled you right < 1233174915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no I didn't < 1233174922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1233174924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1233174930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just correcting the distance to Nokia < 1233175047 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:35:15] oklopol, no I didn't < 1233175052 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd been something < 1233175055 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fooling yourself < 1233175057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, typoed < 1233175058 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233175065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I understood < 1233175071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the i and you keys are right next to each other < 1233175816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuio? < 1233175828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new word meaning you/I < 1233176238 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178607 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178661 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that I've decided to refer to everyone using first-person pronouns? < 1233178667 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've actually been doing so. < 1233178681 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everyone. How am I doing? < 1233178700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1233178843 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233178941 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233179687 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233179750 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233180112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1233180251 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233181982 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233182247 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233182461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : water vapour is unlikely to be much of a problem, it can cause global warming but most of it won't be at the right height < 1233182526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _really_ know but i would imagine that the atmosphere stays pretty much saturated with water vapour, so adding more is very temporary (hydrological cycle) < 1233182554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha you and your silly anecdotes < 1233182561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we have huge oceans precisely because you _cannot_ add most of it to the atmosphere < 1233182623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, it's much less important for global warming because it's self-regulating < 1233182674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why didn't i check if ais523 was here before starting blathering :( < 1233182761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could still _strengthen_ global warming i think, because warming the atmosphere makes it have a higher water vapor threshold) < 1233182794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this stuff has to be well-known < 1233182931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to come up with something completely nonsensical, but fails miserably.
< 1233182956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help you with that by shaving this iguana < 1233182990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha an iguana that's like givin birth to a sevenfold quilt :D < 1233183033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and without the lactose too < 1233183060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a heinous predicate < 1233183073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it is with these verifiables. < 1233183097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes heine was known for his predicates < 1233183098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233183101 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233183368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1233183375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the word "heinous" < 1233183383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not all that common. < 1233183397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hear it in cracker a minute later < 1233183404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tv show i don't even watch) < 1233183448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not not that common, but, you know, i wasn't actually watching, i turn my head on the screen, and the guy uses it < 1233183457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sign. you must now convert to tibetan buddhism and go live in a small hut at the base of mount everest. < 1233183481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1233183487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1233183489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a word for that < 1233183495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233183495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you just use/find out about something < 1233183497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam, there it is again < 1233183501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a special condition thing < 1233183539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :synchronicity is one word for it but i guess you mean something more specific < 1233183542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233183543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. a phenomenon i noticed when i was like 7, and heard about when someone here linked it < 1233183550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something more specific yes < 1233183555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically comes down to < 1233183560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't uncommon, your brain just didn't notice it < 1233183564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't interesting previous times < 1233183634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233183668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall when i last used the word, so i was very conscious when i did just now < 1233183748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, i did actually turn my head just before the guy used it, so there's definitely *some* magic involved (he yelled something during a lecture or something just before using it) < 1233183764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i was like huh whatchayellin) < 1233183795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i still don't know what he yellin) < 1233183826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a law of nature. if any atheist hears about it, the evidence must be just vague enough that he can claim to explain it away. < 1233183853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1233183895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had religious thoughts the other day. well more like spiritual. caffeine made me feel alive and philosophical. < 1233183919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i proceeded reading about software engineering, and all was numb again < 1233183926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic maybe i should drink more coffee < 1233183940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is down to a couple cups a day
< 1233183945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well caffeine, taurine and a few others < 1233183955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really drink coffee anymore, it's too much work < 1233183959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i thought you said religious people were obsolete < 1233183969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, i still think so :D < 1233183985 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"godnatt" < 1233183985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a law of nature. if any atheist hears about it, the evidence must be just vague enough that he can claim to explain it away. < 1233183990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheism != rationalism. < 1233184041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok if an _irrational_ atheist hears about it, the evidence can be conclusive and he still won't believe it :D < 1233184045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my religious thoughts are usually about greater universes containing this one as a simulation; i don't actually believe in that stuff, but it just sounds so appealing i might not die when i die. < 1233184059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death is scary :( < 1233184059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, life is awesome < 1233184070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to lose conciousness. < 1233184078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm much less afraid of it than i was, say, at your age < 1233184099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's normal for the fear to lessen with time, at least it would make sense < 1233184104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to not be afraid of death at all. Then I realised, you know, it was death. End of. < 1233184169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's probably not that scary once you actually experience it ;) < 1233184190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the thing isn't it. You can't exactly reflect on death. < 1233184199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get back on my electronics < 1233184209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just impossible to imagine not ... existing. I mean, obviously. Because existing is the only perspective you can percieve things through. < 1233184264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely < 1233184328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1233184333 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you die, you forget everything and become someone else instead. < 1233184355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound very plausible < 1233184367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat appealing of course < 1233184372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you forget everything, whether you're you is... debatable. < 1233184396 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you become someone you had an especially great amount of impact on. < 1233184402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate the idea of a heaven... I don't like a segregated world where you can only watch life and everyone you know is dead. < 1233184420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love that < 1233184422 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why cool people are Alcor members. < 1233184425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watching the world < 1233184431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being a part of it < 1233184440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to be like a janitor in a big building < 1233184448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1233184449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1233184451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never be seen < 1233184460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watch people from my little peepholes in the walls < 1233184461 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to quit everything and explore the world. < 1233184492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quit everything"? < 1233184499 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably an enclosed world, so that I don't have to get cold when it snows. < 1233184503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MEAN LIKE YOUR IRC CLIENT < 1233184505 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School, I guess. < 1233184516 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bring an IRC headset along! < 1233184528 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type with my jaws. It's not that difficult once you get used to it, you see. < 1233184560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't die, there's no reason to let your brain feel cold. < 1233184564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't die < 1233184578 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can die, though. < 1233184597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233184605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm then < 1233184646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm doing mesh current and i have a current source, umm, how the fuck does that work? :\ < 1233184652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1233184655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais might actually know < 1233184664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that's not very helpful either < 1233184678 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, transcranial brain stimulation. < 1233184695 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that. < 1233184700 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transcranial magnetic stimulation. < 1233184738 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It blasts your brain for a while, so after you're done, that part of your brain doesn't work for a while. < 1233184752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1233184798 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you become an autistic savant! Kind of. < 1233184803 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sound interesting? < 1233184806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learned today about a condition where you can only perceive one object at a time :o
< 1233184823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: definitely, i've always wanted to be an autistic savant < 1233184843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought magnetism had little effect on human biology < 1233184847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i'm just good at stuff, and not that practical. < 1233184853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very extreme. < 1233184856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, otherwise MRI would be dangerous < 1233184859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation < 1233184884 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good at stuff like knowing what d^2f(x,y)/dxdy means? < 1233184902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: in general. < 1233184926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know what that means, but that's more about knowing stuff than being good < 1233184927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's rapidly changing magnetism, which is essentially electromagnetic < 1233184954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what i mean is i'm like the square root of autistic savant, like most nerds. < 1233184978 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how would you explain it? < 1233184993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...explain what? < 1233185000 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d^2f(x,y)/dxdy. < 1233185025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to tell you what i know it means. < 1233185037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining has little to do with math < 1233185054 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please explain it, then? < 1233185068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's trying to get you to do his homework < 1233185144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: umm how? < 1233185146 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, since students of this class are all able to visualize things like that. < 1233185162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how can i explain it without somehow telling you what it means? < 1233185175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible by definition < 1233185204 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My explanation would be something like "d^2f(x,y)/dxdy is how twisty it is". < 1233185219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: what nice intuitive nonsense. < 1233185264 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful intuitive nonsense. < 1233185270 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or maybe it's not useful at all. < 1233185270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what my intuition about differentials says; but i do not know what differentials are. < 1233185313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be useful. but in math, you should keep intuition to yourself unless teaching. < 1233185314 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233185324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how i perceive the field < 1233185342 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I continue trying to determine how intelligent you are compared to me? < 1233185366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: err go ahead. < 1233185371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you're at it, answer my question < 1233185406 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how possible it is to explain something without saying what it means. I don't think I asked you to do that. < 1233185441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're both stupid. < 1233185443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the calculus i'm taking does not define differentials. haven't seen a definition for them, and i've heard TRWBW say they are more of an intuitive concept. < 1233185451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm kinda wary. < 1233185462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1233185463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: no, you did not. < 1233185470 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1233185482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it was my own addition. < 1233185491 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got TRWBW to call something an intuitive concept? Wow. :-) < 1233185492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch? :) < 1233185505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: it's not a matter of opinion < 1233185509 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ehird's frankness. < 1233185516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is TRWBW? < 1233185525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's a matter of my lack of knowledge. < 1233185531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know shit about calculus < 1233185538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a famous due < 1233185539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no definition of the differential by limits? oh well i guess they might do that in engineering courses < 1233185539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dude < 1233185550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1233185550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233185556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: naturally there's a definition of the differential by limits < 1233185558 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRWBW is the guy in #math whose opinion is generally "mathematics is fundamentally about formal rules; therefore, most things in mathematics are generally best understood as formal rules". < 1233185561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait, is he a person in that #math place? < 1233185561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not *that* retarded < 1233185565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: ah. < 1233185574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I assume he likes metamath, then. < 1233185576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but differentials are used in actual calculations. < 1233185584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's soo easy to understand, right? < 1233185593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you said "the calculus i'm taking does not define differentials. haven't seen a definition for them," < 1233185594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/2p2e4.html < 1233185599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way to understand 2+2=4 < 1233185601 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how smart are you? < 1233185607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes absolutely no sense to me, i asked the lecturer what the fuck that was about, and he muttered something about the course being for non-mathematicians. < 1233185608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: not. < 1233185612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is incredibly smart for his age < 1233185618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the smartest 4-year-old i know < 1233185622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right < 1233185627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: harsh, man. harsh. < 1233185638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah sorry, for differentials, no definition. < 1233185651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to supply me with one < 1233185659 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's obviously smart enough to be doing esoteric programming at the age of 12. < 1233185672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you in here in 2005? < 1233185680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my calculations of everyone in #esoteric is correct, you'd have been 12 then. < 1233185684 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was also doing esoteric programming at the age of 12, indeed. < 1233185694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um you are contradicting yourself < 1233185699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about Brainfuck since I was like 10, I think. < 1233185705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not contradicting, correcting < 1233185710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only actually wrote programs in it when I was like 11 though. Even then barely < 1233185729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: derivatives and integrals were defined via limits, differentials not < 1233185736 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only learned about esoteric programming at 65 < 1233185744 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a latecomer to the field so to speak < 1233185747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok, d f(x) / dx = lim_{h -> 0} (f(x+h)-f(x))/h < 1233185756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um wait no < 1233185758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the definition of derivative < 1233185767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's dx there? < 1233185773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's d f(x) < 1233185777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the differentials < 1233185788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not aware of any distinction between derivative and differential :D < 1233185790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave us that definition, and started using them as if they were numbers. < 1233185799 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For quite a while, I've wanted to take a GCSE and be done with high school. < 1233185804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same thing < 1233185814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, does it sound feasible to you to multiply d f(x)/dx by dx? < 1233185823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you do when dx is a differential < 1233185825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean separately < 1233185872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, afaiu a differential means an infitesimal number two of whose division gives the derivative.... that is, blabber blabber nonsense nonsense whappidippydoo. < 1233185881 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or A-Levels or something. < 1233185902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hm right. it's usually done wishy-washy < 1233185907 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think of things like dx as simply meaning the derivative of x with respect to a universal implicit variable. < 1233185920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another lecturer said on a different occasion differentials can be defined via multivariable functions. < 1233185934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ do it with non-standard analysis, which uses some heavy logic to embed infinitesimals in set theory < 1233185934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that i should probably just try to live with them for now. < 1233185975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: everyone likes to think things. that's called nonsense :D < 1233185985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :okloWBW < 1233186047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: well kerlo's idea probably works best in practice < 1233186069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until you start with partial derivatives < 1233186095 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care what works. i don't learn math because it's useful < 1233186156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: of course this all goes back to leibnitz's notation (That d/dx stuff) which was really based on noting that treating stuff as infinitesimals mostly works < 1233186158 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial dx is the partial derivative of x with respect to a different, non-universal implicit variable. < 1233186168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centuries before anyone defined it properly < 1233186218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leibniz < 1233186292 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: doesn't sounds all that formal to mea. < 1233186293 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1233186341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz#Calculus is very relevant to our discussion < 1233186395 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be formalized. < 1233186405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: can I ask a J q < 1233186428 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233186440 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: most likely. but i can't do it in my head just like that. < 1233186445 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err sure < 1233186450 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably cannot answer. < 1233186459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: what's the "mean" code again? this leads onto another q < 1233186492 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean=:+/%# < 1233186493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(infinitesimal) mentions several ways of making it rigorous < 1233186568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloWBW: so in (+ /% #), howcome it doesn't apply % to the functions themselves < 1233186575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how does the implicit arg get fitted in? < 1233186699 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err < 1233186714 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's a fork < 1233186719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vwat < 1233186734 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x (a b c) y means (x a y) b (x c y) < 1233186746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... why < 1233186748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems arbitrary < 1233186775 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be arbitrary, but it's extremely useful, and lets you write most functions without naming your arguments < 1233186788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1233186790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about if I did < 1233186794 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i definitely don't think it's arbitrary < 1233186800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean =: (+x)/%(#x) < 1233186803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it try and put the arg in? < 1233186811 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes < 1233186821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it? < 1233186832 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would crash because x isn't defined < 1233186845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume x is the formal parameter. < 1233186873 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is a list, then (+x)/%(#x) is the mean of that list. < 1233186877 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233186880 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correction < 1233186887 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copypasted the wrong one < 1233186893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1233186898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how come it doesn't feed in the arg automatically < 1233186901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule for that < 1233186920 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's hope they teach me that in uni, i don't want to learn calculus on my own. < 1233186933 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well, i'm not really that interested in it < 1233186942 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233186947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1233186950 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: feed in the arg automatically..? < 1233186957 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't know what you mean < 1233186959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/%# < 1233186962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforms into < 1233186969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why doesn't < 1233186971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/x)%(#x) < 1233186973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform into, etc < 1233186976 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1233186977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it know when to fork < 1233186983 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/%# is just a fork < 1233186984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule < 1233186986 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as a lambda < 1233186991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no lambda < 1233186996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you dividing two functions. < 1233187008 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the semantics of which i already defined < 1233187056 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially three adjacent functions evaluates to a lambda < 1233187063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1233187063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1233187067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1233187068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +/%# < 1233187069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-----+-+-+ < 1233187071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|+-+-+|%|#| < 1233187073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :||+|/|| | | < 1233187075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|+-+-+| | | < 1233187077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-----+-+-+ < 1233187079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii art parse trees. < 1233187081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide if that's fucking stupid or fucking awesome < 1233187082 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1233187100 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a notational thing, i think you can change that somehow < 1233187107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's very common in math to apply things to functions that way ("pointwise") < 1233187111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you retrieve the previous line into the prompt in J? < 1233187114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, okay < 1233187120 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1233187133 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say (x^2-4) + (sin x) < 1233187146 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x doesn't need to be bound, those can be functions too < 1233187159 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just adding funcs then < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187160 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233187170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58 how do you retrieve the previous line into the prompt in J? < 1233187175 0 :okloWBW!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: click, enter < 1233187177 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233187183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh.