< 1233014427 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Brb IRL" < 1233014432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: finns tend to drop articles, and occasionally swap a/an. i don't think "an english" could ever happen. < 1233014443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english maybe < 1233014480 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233014485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc there's no such thing as a reasonable mistake < 1233014639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a graphical programming language :| < 1233014651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only based on graphs, but also, like, graphical. < 1233014655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a 6 line concatenative program < 1233014660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-concatenative version? 20 fucking lines. < 1233014662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah. < 1233014671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 25 actually. < 1233014683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the program < 1233014730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't technically a program as much as a program fragment I cooked up when thinking about concatenative langs for a game engine scripting language < 1233014735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so you have a non-concatenative fucking programming language where the programs consist of fucking lines? < 1233014737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233014738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class: name age ; < 1233014739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: make-person make 'age set! 'name set! ; < 1233014741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: speak [ 'name get ] dip "%s says: %s\n" printf ; < 1233014743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class: : evilness ; < 1233014745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: make-npc make-person downcast 'evilness set! ; < 1233014747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: verily,. < 1233015137 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-070-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233015419 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233016347 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1233016560 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233022818 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1233022826 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i HATE not being able to read full text of paper < 1233022828 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn < 1233023246 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233024139 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233024340 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-118-112-97.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233024390 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1233025984 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an idea < 1233026017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy wallabies! < 1233026096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the genius of his idea has left bsmntbombdood speechless < 1233026131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _good_ idea < 1233026179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against wallabies, you animal fiend < 1233026264 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Thompson visited our lab at QMC while I was developing it and said something like: "yeah, I've seen editors like that, but I don't feel a need for them, I don't want to see the state of the file when I'm editing". < 1233026275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when discussing em vs ed < 1233026467 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233028128 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1233032951 0 :sazl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032951 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032951 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032954 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032961 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032967 0 :mtve!n=nnmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233032980 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233032981 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033004 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033004 0 :adimit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033023 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033107 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033130 0 :sazl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033131 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033131 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033146 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033149 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033152 0 :lamente!n=lament@24.87.24.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033179 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033179 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033185 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033187 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033207 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033208 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033217 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033218 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033228 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033234 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@67.228.37.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1233033245 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97.118.112.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033261 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033261 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033262 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033262 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033263 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033264 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033269 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@65.93.110.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033269 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033272 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033276 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033283 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033306 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033306 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033308 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033308 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033361 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033362 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033364 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033379 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033389 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033452 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233033472 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033510 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033540 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033567 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033852 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033857 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033874 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233033882 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034270 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034270 0 :clog!i=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034271 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034271 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034281 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-56.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034281 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034283 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034299 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034316 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034365 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034383 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034385 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-112-97.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034400 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034448 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034639 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034642 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1233034663 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034664 0 :sazl!n=sazeinel@bas3-kitchener06-1096642112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034675 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034698 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034878 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@121-73-166-241.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034912 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034936 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034959 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034977 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233034998 0 :decipher!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035051 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035073 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035134 0 :lamente!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035157 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1233035569 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233039765 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233040820 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233043199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1233043200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1233045971 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233046792 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Excited" < 1233047257 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233047300 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233047922 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233047935 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1233053966 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-070-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1233056856 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-47-222.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233057712 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233058010 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233063981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no "not implemented" category/list on the wiki? < 1233064181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just the set subtraction of the language list and the Implemented category? (What, MediaWiki doesn't do set operations?) < 1233064211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1233064214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not in the UI, at least.) < 1233064217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: there are 192 articles in the "Languages" category, but 200 articles in the "Implemented" category. That probably means there are -8 unimplemented languages. < 1233064266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately you'll find that the 192 refers only to the number it's showing on that page, which is less than 200 due to the subcategories. < 1233064274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was the silly. < 1233064276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed. < 1233064298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand evidently subcategories aren't shown on just one page either. < 1233064300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Unimplemented < 1233064306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for UI. < 1233064307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to be sorted. < 1233064414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Καλλίστῃ is apparently written with a kappa instead of a 'k', since it's at the end of the list there. < 1233064445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for byte value-based sorting. < 1233064574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... 71 in Unimplemented, 200+62=262 in Implemented, 192+179+11=382 in Languages; this time I counted them right. 49 languages are neither implemented, nor unimplemented; probably some sort of superposition of both. < 1233064611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving some of the Unimplemented to Unimplementable might be in order < 1233064630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the already mentioned Καλλίστῃ. < 1233067467 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233067906 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233069795 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233069843 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$base(111011010,2,10) < 1233069853 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... forgot //echo -a < 1233070007 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and missed a 0 < 1233070019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1233070675 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233071074 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233071836 0 :Slereah2!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-138-6.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1233072484 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1233072487 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072833 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-16-236.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1233072905 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-71.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233073874 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1233076072 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=arvid@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076376 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076473 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1233076500 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233076998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Whoosh!" < 1233078635 0 :Metcalf!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1233078734 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1233078958 0 :Metcalf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :impomatic < 1233078965 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080261 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for mainstream languages that are rarely used / hear of? E.g. Oberon < 1233080666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dead < 1233080667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1233080861 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust528.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080863 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080118233717AASGNps < 1233080886 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@f-115.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233080907 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ehird, and thanks MizardX < 1233080922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, yahoo answers < 1233080934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I saw a reddit submission of yours earlier today :-) < 1233080939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recognized the name < 1233081059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what's a reverse call? I'm not sure I understand < 1233081071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is #2-return, ++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.-<++++..+++.>>--.+<<<.----->.---<[.>] < 1233090183 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-176.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1233092463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: no output? < 1233092912 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, is the bot broken? < 1233092920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1233092930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!I am alive < 1233092934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: er, three is no bot < 1233092935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1233092936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot isn't online < 1233092938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233092940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1233092953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot's down < 1233092956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just some context :P) < 1233092957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just to freak you out I'm going to test the results of using tcmalloc from http://code.google.com/p/google-perftools/ with cfunge ;P < 1233092969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1233093029 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad k < 1233093039 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window! < 1233093167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the result will be.... Also this may take a while: building instructions for x86_64 linux is kind of complex due to glibc unwinder may call malloc on x86_64 causing a deadlock. So I need to install a snapshot version of libunwind first amongst other things < 1233093277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the firefox/freebsd malloc? jemalloc < 1233093320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems harder to get going as non-freebsd malloc < 1233093333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought speed is what mattered. :p < 1233093340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it seems optimised to keep memory fragmentation low, rather than ultimate speed < 1233093347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1233093358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write yer own damn malloc. :p < 1233093360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good speed yes, and good multi-cpu performance < 1233093371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not good against fragmentation < 1233093374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233093377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good against speed < 1233093381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on single cpu < 1233093394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have multi-core, nor does cfunge use more than one thread < 1233093427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I'd rather not do that < 1233093433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single-core systems. Weird shit. < 1233093439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you keep a dinosaur next to it? :P < 1233093444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather a quite good system from 2005 < 1233093449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have that much money < 1233093455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can go buy new every year < 1233093468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just that multi core is really really useful. < 1233093469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use this until it is really no longer usable and/or breaks < 1233093479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you pay for it? < 1233093484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can have a cpu thrashing away at a problem and still run smoothly < 1233093492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hm? Well, yeah, multi core systems cost. < 1233093493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1233093508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like an OS without multiprocessing to me :-) < 1233093529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah you pay for it then? Great thanks. Just send me your credit card number and the code :D < 1233093537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O crap < 1233093561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um I don't have a credit card :P < 1233093569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I will send it on to a friend from Nigeria who is looking for a UK account for some millions. < 1233093569 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an 8 cpu mini-computer :-P < 1233093574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1233093575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1233093585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: heh < 1233093590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, hm? What sort? < 1233093608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC read failed." Seems that freenode had some issues at some point. < 1233093612 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it's from something like 1990, so not very impressive. < 1233093642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yes during the night, doesn't it auto reconnect? < 1233093650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't you run it under a supervisor < 1233093657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, daemontools < 1233093660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from djb < 1233093661 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 19" MVME boards, with a "Cray" logo on the front < 1233093661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1233093668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, CRAY!!!!!!!! < 1233093669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1233093676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, picture? < 1233093681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to do that, it sounds far too serious. < 1233093684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, also what is 19" in metric? < 1233093691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot itself just @s if the read fails. < 1233093696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah you got a point fizzie < 1233093711 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1233093722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, we all know esoteric languages is serious business! < 1233093726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233093727 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233093733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1233093734 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1233093736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: does it run an infinite loop in 6 seconds? < 1233093737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1233093738 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does mr bentham deny this? if he had fallen in a common vehicle. they were dominant at oxford, powerful in the inns of court, not in those known and responsible counsellors to whom he early attached himself, and then proceed to another. < 1233093755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate fungot for president 2012 < 1233093758 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the effect of the victory. in 1824 the free men who seek to better their conditions, but also the most faultless, that the ablest men have been chosen as deputies of the nobility, what was never forgotten by anyone else who ever read it, as will give a single instance from our existing laws, some alterations are thought to be of any weight, who refuses to adopt the tariff, we think his explanation fnord at least, behindh < 1233093770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noble speech. < 1233093777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bentham? isn't he the person who wanted to be preserved or whatever? < 1233093787 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCException: MigoMipo out of IRC" < 1233093800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19" is a standardish rack size, around half a metre. < 1233093805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233093857 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 47cm, haven't got a photo - looks like a washing machine without the door. Never tried the infinite loop! < 1233093894 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lovecraft a esolang? That'd be cool :-) < 1233093915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, ^style controls fungot's babble < 1233093916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: after the adjournment of congress, i could easily account for the obscurity of the african. the fnord sings, the spinning-wheel turns round, the wedding-day is fixed, not by the shortest fnord abate the nuisance, they pull down the house. < 1233093917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233093918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches* ss wp < 1233093921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1233093921 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1233093924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Be heretical! < 1233093925 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:/ cumbre, includes all/ chief races have not descended by independent lines from/ rock-pigeon. this reflection :)/ moon " as indexed by/ tides, unaided by a heavy fall :) snow on rocks. < 1233093930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the :) and / bug < 1233093937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still the famous Darwin smiley issue, yes. < 1233093955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin was a happy man. < 1233094052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cumbre, includes all the chief races have not descended by independent lines from the rock-pigeon. this reflection of the moon as indexed by the tides, unaided by a heavy fall of snow on rocks." in fixed format. < 1233094085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is comforting to know we have not all descended from the rock-pigeon. < 1233094156 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.-<++++..+++.>>--.+<<<.----->.---<[.>] < 1233094157 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233094169 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 characters :P < 1233094185 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one in 84 now! < 1233094380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh? < 1233094380 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1233094426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to prove a specific bf program is the shortest possible encoding of a specific string in bf? < 1233094459 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by exhaustively searching all shorter programs :D < 1233094469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no short cut? < 1233094480 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233094501 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>+[>>++>+>+>++<[+++++<]<-]>>>++.>-.<++++..+++.>>--.++<<<.---->.--<[-.>] < 1233094502 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1233094507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could exclude any program without output, and all programs with input would be uninteresting < 1233094517 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1233094520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be, but I think there's a reason optimization is hard in general < 1233094593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1233094782 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're also talking about bf in #corewars on irc.koth.org < 1233094830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell them to come here :-P < 1233094838 0 :lamente!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, corewars < 1233094838 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a 116-char bf hello world as a test case for my thue interpreters < 1233094903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out impomatic's name in #corewars < 1233094952 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be just "impomatic"? < 1233094966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no impomatic in there. < 1233094979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody's talking. < 1233094987 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OoS < 1233095000 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fish with a reddish hue, that's what it is < 1233095027 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OoS. I already mentioned #esoteric < 1233095189 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was busy before you arrived http://www.koth.org/irc-logs/2009-01-27.txt < 1233095201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kill everything I touch. < 1233095210 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a bit shy around strangers ;-) < 1233095259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1233095263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: if you can get BF hello world in a standard 80-char line I'll be amazed < 1233095277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, result: At least this build of tcmalloc is slower than glibc malloc for cfunge < 1233095285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1233095291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE NO STRANGERS TO LOOOOOOOVE < 1233095303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu around 0.020 seconds < 1233095313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested over 50 runs each < 1233095358 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't think I can knock off the last 4 instructions < 1233095360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the heap profiler should be interesting :) < 1233095364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: aw < 1233095367 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@71-35-117-8.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1233095376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1233095377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[.>] < 1233095380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a pretty shoddy way to do it :P < 1233095405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it possible to prove a specific bf program is the shortest possible encoding of a specific string in bf? <<< if you're asking in general, you can't be serious < 1233095417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, he is < 1233095431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think AnMaster has ever fully grasped the halting problem, he says things like that all the time < 1233095433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm only asking for "hello world!" < 1233095434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233095445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspected it would run into the halting problem yes < 1233095446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls eyes < 1233095449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't sure < 1233095457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1233095471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances a wild dance of oko < 1233095686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:15] http://golf.shinh.org/ < 1233095690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another anagolf player! < 1233095713 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :453339721324993013548175354624816937305067727045881380840502707195746854576 possible bf-programs of length 85 :) ... that's 75 digits! < 1233095737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is "gv"? < 1233095749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "could not find gv" as a cryptic error < 1233095758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yikes < 1233095765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about length 80 < 1233095799 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15114869455135780537081431784864382700651060085404149964957776780638292 of length 80, 71 digits < 1233095821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a genetic search work at all for this? Probably not < 1233095831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233095832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, what about excluding input? < 1233095836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't relevant for this < 1233095837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're really attentative. < 1233095840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot did that. < 1233095844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic's beaten it by far. < 1233095849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1233095852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... 80 digits in octal = 71 digits in base 10? that's quite an observation :P < 1233095860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :P < 1233095868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, :D < 1233095912 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :284508415089842693556340016101767865172552487769291117597604246945 of length 80, without input, 66 digits < 1233095919 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1233095925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, does this include invalid programs like ]]]] < 1233095930 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1233095937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't? < 1233095941 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :balanced [ ] < 1233095943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right, you're not an idiot < 1233095947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1233095959 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither ] [ < 1233095977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, how long would an exhaustive search take? :D < 1233095985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume a modern desktop computer < 1233095995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an optimised bf implementation < 1233096011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that each program will be terminated after, say, 10 seconds at most < 1233096022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no way to know if it will halt at all < 1233096052 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.0157127687693897e+53 years given 1ms execution time per parogram < 1233096055 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program* < 1233096060 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we just need to know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin%27s_constant to get an estimate! < 1233096130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster treats huge brute forcing like I did a year ago. < 1233096142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also median running time of all halting problems < 1233096158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you mean all awe about combinatorial explosion? < 1233096177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecturer showed today a loop that started 10 threads < 1233096191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=0;i<10;i++)pid[i]=fork(); < 1233096196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just continually asking if halting problem-related things can be solved, and asking how long huge brute forcing will take as if it's even worthy of consideration < 1233096237 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... sounds a long time < 1233096243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, and assuming IBM RoadRunner or whatever the current fastest super computer is? < 1233096251 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires 12 . only two of which are next to each other < 1233096257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case < 1233096264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was joking... < 1233096267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to lol @ lecturer :< < 1233096269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that I forgot ~ < 1233096282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was "joking" too in 2007 < 1233096287 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 1st . doesn't output a 'h' it can terminate < 1233096287 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget that, . could be in a loop :-/ < 1233096314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so? You have been here way longer than I have < 1233096330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being in #esoteric is not the be-all end-all of computational knowledge. < 1233096340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fully agreed < 1233096355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gv is some "view *.ps" thing < 1233096357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1233096449 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents Brainfrak, where the square brackets have chamfered edges. < 1233096483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto: halting problem solver which, when given P, outputs "go to hell" and terminates the program. < 1233096533 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghostview? < 1233096641 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1233096643 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: " 651? 1. this paragraph was published in/ :( notices" just alluded to. in/ tenth chapter it was shown that no ascertained limit to/ amount :) structural difference between/ inhabitants :)/ radack archipelago, a length :) time. < 1233096645 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1233097243 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1233097413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, yep < 1233097438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1233097439 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1233097446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: night < 1233097485 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anarchy golf use 0 for EOF? < 1233097511 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the fungot chat style thing select random lines? < 1233097512 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: on mac osx maybe? maybe switch on both?) ( else ( occurn ( cdr markers) ( cdr list) value) < 1233097521 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1233097548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yes < 1233097549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1233097632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: markov chain of words < 1233097659 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1233097669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the style files are preprocessed < 1233097786 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Heh. Right after your program has printed out "hell" in "hello world!", exactly 666 operations has been executed. :P < 1233097852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1233097862 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, I wish I'd planned that! < 1233097878 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the 84 instruction version? < 1233097886 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 < 1233097971 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also counted [, ] as single operations. Loop length is (1 + inner_ops)*num_cycles + 1 < 1233097992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf is "gv"? < 1233097998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghostview iirc < 1233098009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, already found out < 1233098014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233098040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe you shouldn't do like me, and instead read the whole scrollback first < 1233098045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1233098047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1233098056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i would forget that there was something to answer :D < 1233098057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READING THE BACKLOG IS FOR THE WEAK < 1233098223 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1233098567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well what do you do in order to make sure you haven't missed any of the fun then? < 1233098590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you mum?) < 1233098600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1233098643 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1233098692 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233099740 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1233099747 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1233099764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm anarchy gold is actually *alive*? < 1233099836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1233099837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*golf < 1233099853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, to a degree < 1233099857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never been particularly active, but people play it < 1233099859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #golf < 1233099872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1233099874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#anagolf < 1233099876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf < 1233099883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oklopol for making him google a nonexisting term -----### < 1233099887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1233099887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1233099889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the chan is called < 1233099894 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}o/ < 1233099895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1233099896 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With \ < 1233099935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't google a term with "gold" in it. < 1233099976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you want to hoard it all yourself? < 1233100018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?99+shinichiroes+of+hamaji <<< so umm 14 characters of ruby? < 1233100062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1233100064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1233100075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a sneaky cheat < 1233100077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_,$x=split"!",<>;$x=reverse$x;s//\$i++;/g;s/-/\$a[\$i]--;/g;s/\+/\$a[\$i]++;/g;s/./print chr\$a[\$i];/g;s/,/\$a[\$i]=chop\$x;/g;s/\[/while(\$a[\$i]){/g;s/\]/};/g;eval$_ < 1233100080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why this doesn't work. < 1233100108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seems like kinda hard to cheat in a program that just prints a fuckload of text. < 1233100116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1233100117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1233100141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, would be interesting if it was his submit, and shinichiroes of hamaji wasn't actually anything sensible, but just something that he could easily print. < 1233100189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy's hame is "shinh" < 1233100193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick, at least < 1233100198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> shinichiro hamaji < 1233100203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably the owner's submission < 1233100208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1233100271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Print+out+a+lot+_56K+BEWARE_ < 1233100274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my challenge ^.^ < 1233100298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably shoulda chosen less determinatistic output < 1233100308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-99999 is pretty easy < 1233100459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1233100460 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: homo sapiens hei_e__er_ensis ' !hangman lcase-guess' to guess a letter!! fnord::: 0xff sponsor gift < 1233100474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1233100474 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp < 1233100488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heidelbergensis < 1233100580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's apparently consider an own species, not a subspecies of sapiens < 1233100632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cise would probably be like Jn" .1e9 < 1233100638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i put in 1e9 < 1233100680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer not having numbers at all (you know, for purity), but wouldn't be very golfy. < 1233100729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: thought of a new fun unimplementable feature for cise < 1233100729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: #anagol < 1233100737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of parse trees < 1233100743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about if there's ambiguity < 1233100753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can specify an assert < 1233100769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ass < 1233100785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh i tried it right after #anagolf. < 1233100795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD lol