00:13:10 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 00:53:09 -!- ehird has set topic: UTC leap second tomorrow, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60. 00:53:15 (leave that there :P) 00:59:31 It's easy enough to fix xntpd. It's also easy to fix localtime() to handle leap seconds. In fact, some vendors have already adopted Olson's time library. 00:59:31 The main obstacle is POSIX. POSIX is a ``standard'' designed by a vendor consortium several years ago to eliminate progress and protect the installed base. The behavior of the broken localtime() libraries was documented and turned into a POSIX requirement. 00:59:35 Fortunately, the POSIX rules are so outrageously dumb---for example, they require that 2100 be a leap year, contradicting the Gregorian calendar---that no self-respecting engineer would obey them. 00:59:38 -- djb 02:22:19 -!- moozilla has joined. 02:22:56 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:23:04 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 02:37:55 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:38:48 -!- moozilla has joined. 02:52:55 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:53:01 -!- metazilla has joined. 02:55:45 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:42:58 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("You only need one wheel. 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It *does* check for division by zero of course, since the funge specs state that 15:22:54 e.g. there's a non-null-terminated string library, so it puts Z right at the end of the string 15:23:04 so that programs that try and use it null-terminated will always break 15:23:12 (because a lot of the time, there might be a \0 at the end by chance) 15:23:25 ehird, nice, what is the name of that library? 15:23:37 also I think data is much saner 15:23:43 I'm not sure, I think maybe a few of them do it. I read that code first in one of djb's libraries, I think. 15:23:53 heh 15:24:12 -!- moozilla has joined. 15:24:18 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:24:21 -!- moozilla has changed nick to metazilla. 15:24:33 It'd be nice if there was a debugger suited to offensive & non-defensive programming; instead of a step-through model it'd just dump as much info as it could in a nice format when the program crashes. 15:25:01 (gdb ./p;start;cont;bt) partially achieves that. 15:25:47 * ehird searches for the lib he found the 'Z' in 15:25:48 ehird, well core dumps is quite like that 15:26:13 AnMaster: What I'm thinking is more like - being able to view the callstack, view the local variables at each point of the callstack 15:26:14 etc 15:26:19 post-crash 15:26:36 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:26:39 ehird, anyway the "defensive programming" in cfunge, I guess you could call assert() that, but that is just for debugging since release builds won't have those checks 15:26:40 -!- moozilla has joined. 15:26:45 and they *did* help catch a few bugs 15:26:52 mm 15:27:05 AnMaster: wouldn't they have even without the assert()? I mean: 15:27:12 1. if it's bad input, it'll crash your program anyway 15:27:17 2. why are you passing bad input to it? 15:27:30 It should either come from inside your program or have been checked when it was receieved 15:27:52 so assert() catches the "it comes from directly inside my program, but I made an error in calling it, and also it will just mess things up instead of crashing the program" 15:27:52 ehird, I don't, the asserts are to check for bugs, like "current top of stack > size of stack", bugs *do* happen 15:27:57 which seems quite a small case 15:28:15 and assert() end the program 15:28:31 but better end that early than hard to debug memory corruption later 15:28:32 :) 15:28:36 True 15:28:51 thank gawd for out-of-band error signaling. 15:29:00 indeed 15:29:58 oh leap second today? 15:30:05 Yep 15:30:17 -!- ehird has set topic: UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60. 15:30:22 huh, wasn't there one only last year or so? 15:30:23 -!- ehird has set topic: UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/. 15:30:29 AnMaster: 2005 i think 15:30:39 ah, well time files when you get older ;P 15:30:57 i am going to try and run as many time-related programs on this machine as possible 15:31:02 and maybe screenshot at the right moment 15:31:05 to see how many manage it XD 15:31:21 ehird, hm? I think ntp or such will just correct it a bit later 15:31:33 such as jumping backwards a second a bit later 15:31:35 or? 15:31:37 AnMaster: posix specifies that leap seconds are explicitly ignored 15:31:40 which is retarded 15:31:49 but apparently a lot of systems just ignore posix on that point because it's stupid 15:32:01 (apparently POSIX specifies 2100 as a leap year.) 15:32:12 ehird, hm, what exactly does "explicitly ignored" mean for leap seconds? 15:32:28 AnMaster: "the second field is never 60" 15:32:35 iirc a lot of systems handle that by _repeating time_ 15:32:37 really 15:32:51 it goes to 23:59:59.9, then back to 23:59:59.0 15:33:07 ah 15:33:15 ehird, time travel :) 15:33:32 AnMaster: that should be unix-alikes' new marketing strategy 15:33:36 hah 15:33:36 "So powerful you could TRAVEL THROUGH TIME" 15:33:43 how does OS X handle it? 15:33:52 I'm going to find out, aren't I? 15:34:04 Probably I should set my system clock forward and test, but that's cheating. 15:34:27 iirc I did some test in 2005, and found out that the system just went on and then ntp corrected the time backwards with one second a few minutes after 15:34:47 heh 15:34:48 ouch 15:35:00 hooray for standards-specified idiocy 15:35:16 yes, that and dlsym() 15:35:26 AnMaster: ah, the "no functions" thing? 15:35:29 yep 15:35:50 that's not a dlsym stupidity, that's a "funcptrs don't neccessarily go in anything but a funcptr" 15:35:55 stupidity 15:36:17 AnMaster: posix gives functions as an example though http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/dlsym.html 15:36:25 but while it's valid posix 15:36:27 it's not valid c. 15:36:30 well there are systems where sizeof(function pointer) != sizeof(data pointer) 15:36:37 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:36:39 -!- psygnisf_ has joined. 15:36:41 but posix doesn't support them 15:36:44 the correct solution is a dlsym specifically for functions. 15:36:48 yes 15:36:59 * AnMaster looks at POSIX.1-2008 pdf 15:37:14 and maybe a nice wrapper that returns a struct{int type;union{void *var;blah *func}data;} 15:37:16 or whatever 15:37:19 draft that is 15:38:53 The ISO C standard does not require that pointers to functions can be cast back and forth to 15:38:53 pointers to data. However, POSIX-conforming implementations are required to support this, as 15:38:53 noted in Section 2.12.3 (on page 541). The result of converting a pointer to a function into a 15:38:53 pointer to another data type (except void *) is still undefined, however. 15:38:54 haha 15:39:02 Yes. 15:39:16 Note that compilers conforming to the ISO C standard are required to generate a warning if a 15:39:16 conversion from a void * pointer to a function pointer is attempted as in: 15:39:16 fptr = (int (*)(int))dlsym(handle, "my_function"); 15:39:29 I suggest we assassinate the POSIX writers. 15:40:43 -!- metazilla has joined. 15:40:43 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:40:51 -!- metazilla has changed nick to moozilla. 15:41:42 ehird, hm, would be messy 15:41:59 But for the best! 15:42:14 ehird, what would you prefer? win32 api being standard? 15:42:31 I suspect that it would get even worse without posix 15:42:47 err grammar 15:42:48 I'm pretty sure people wrote cross-platform programs before POSIX, didn't they? :P 15:43:07 ehird, yeah they did, with lots and lots of #ifdef 15:43:08 Alternatively: how about an open effort to create a standard that doesn't require violating the C standard 15:43:16 I have seen such source 15:43:17 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:43:43 ehird, and good idea, just one change needed: dlfunc() dldata() 15:43:47 issue solved 15:44:05 AnMaster: Okay, then they can get rid of all the POSIX cruft. 15:44:09 Maybe fix the datetime stuff. :- 15:44:10 :-P 15:45:09 Incidentally, I invented a weird game. 15:46:10 ehird, 1) yes POSIX is quite good in many parts, a cleanup of it would be the best way 2) what game? 15:46:22 1) yeah 15:46:23 2): 15:46:28 Every player guesses a number. The winner is the player who guessed the number closest to the average (mean or median or whatever, I dunno) of all the guesses. 15:46:53 Your guess may be initially best, but when it's entered, it may change the average, thus becoming less accurate. 15:46:56 :D 15:49:19 heh 15:49:40 ehird, what if all players are equally close? 15:49:45 or at least two are 15:49:51 That would be what we call a tie, AnMaster. 15:49:55 yes 15:49:57 :P 15:50:00 but what are the rules in the game for that 15:50:01 :P 15:50:11 Well, none. 15:50:11 I mean, shared win or? 15:50:20 Hrm. 15:50:30 AnMaster: Just make an arbitrary rule 15:50:34 like, whichever was higher 15:50:40 if they're both equal... I dunno. 15:50:47 AnMaster: do it as an elimination game 15:50:50 you could have several rounds, the winner of each round wins one point, then what would happen in the case of a tie? 15:50:56 each round, the player that made the furthest away guess is dropped 15:51:04 ehird, that would work too 15:51:07 if there are multiple with the furthest away, drop all of them 15:51:11 (except I hate to play such games) 15:51:14 when it's down to two... 15:51:17 i have no idea. 15:51:26 ehird, hm 15:51:39 ehird, you could make many variations on this 15:51:44 Yes. 15:51:48 I think the concept has potential 15:59:43 * ehird installs Chicken. 16:02:48 Incidentally, I use a piece of software written in Tcl every day/ 16:02:51 MacPorts. 16:03:18 The whole thing -- right down to the portfiles -- is all tcl. It works great. (the portfiles look just like a homebrewed format; since Tcl is so freeform) 16:16:16 -!- LinuS has joined. 16:17:23 [[Jeffrey Mark Siskind, author of Stalin]] 16:17:43 Meanwhile, I authored Hitler. 16:18:08 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 16:20:35 Huh, I think I'm having problems with emacs key bindings. 16:20:43 That's odd, I rarely use emacs. Why would I be having issues? 16:21:07 (Specifically, C-x C-f. No, I will not remap capslock to ctrl. ;P) 16:26:00 ehird, eh what is the issue with C-x C-f exactly? 16:26:18 AnMaster: Emacs pinkie, I believe it's called. 16:26:19 it opens find file prompt in the minibuffer for me 16:26:39 ehird, ah so no issue like "it doesn't work" or "it does the wrong thing" 16:26:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs#Emacs_Pinky 16:26:42 Yeah. 16:26:45 It's not hurting, it's just awkward. :P 16:26:56 ehird, it seems quite natural to me 16:27:09 My hands are small, though. 16:27:14 but I have big hands and this is a standard full size PC keyboard 16:27:34 TextMate's completion shortcut is option-escape. I never use it for that erason. 16:27:36 *reason 16:27:50 ehird, I can quite easily do Ctrl-Alt-Esc with one hand, iirc that was something used on pre-OS X macs 16:28:00 macbugs maybe 16:28:01 not sure 16:28:05 i can do that but I have to contort my hands. 16:28:11 It's slow. 16:28:12 contort? 16:28:40 http://www.google.com/search?q=define:contort 16:28:50 ah 16:29:58 * ehird designates ~/Code/crap/foo.scm as his Chicken testpad. 16:30:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:35:12 http://chicken.wiki.br/sandbox Ooooooooh yes 16:35:46 Shame about the lack of io tho. 16:42:59 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 16:56:24 hm chicken, isn't it r6rs iirc? 16:56:30 or is it one of those that isn't 17:01:28 ehird, ^ 17:01:44 It is a sideset of r5rs. 17:01:46 (subset & superset) 17:02:02 http://call-with-current-continuation.org/ 17:02:11 Uh. 17:02:11 http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/ 17:02:13 Needs the www. 17:02:35 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:15:35 hrm 17:15:59 14:01:56 so cute i'm almost crying :) 17:37:39 15:12:32 i never understood these laws, at least 100% of 13-year-olds are having sex anyway 17:42:10 -!- atrapado has joined. 18:09:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:11:55 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR KAZAKHSTAN. 18:12:12 Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY OLD YEAR 18:12:16 er. 18:12:21 -!- ehird has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY OLD YEAR. 18:12:31 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 18:12:41 * ehird steals oerjan's swatter 18:12:52 * ehird swats oerjan -----### 18:13:02 * oerjan watches ehird get eaten by the swatter 18:13:10 * ehird eats the swatter before it manages 18:13:15 * ehird burrrrrrrrrrrrrp 18:13:22 it's distantly related to the Luggage, you see 18:13:55 * oerjan watches a big bump forming on ehird's stomach 18:14:02 * ehird eats the bump 18:15:15 * oerjan listens to something chewing inside ehird's stomach 18:15:25 * ehird eats himself 18:15:33 CAN'T CHEW A SINGULARITY 18:15:37 there _might_ be a bit of xenomorph in it, too 18:16:19 i'd say that was a singularly bad idea 18:16:30 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR BANGLADESH. 18:16:31 * ehird absorbs all light. 18:16:42 * ehird starts sucking in random shit and grows bigger. 18:16:48 hey am blak hol 18:17:04 * oerjan flies to the LHC to make an opposing hole 18:17:50 * ehird absorbs the LHC while it is turned on 18:17:56 Whoah, freaky. 18:18:00 The black holes are trying to suck me in. 18:18:05 But they are no match for I. 18:20:05 ("try to make bad programs crash") 18:20:19 "try to make bad programs end life as we know it" 18:20:25 now _that's_ offensive 18:20:36 Actually, that's what I'm doing right now as a black hole. 18:20:39 * ehird gobbles up oerjan 18:20:47 but, you're not a program 18:20:55 yes. I am. 18:21:02 * oerjan retrieves his swatter from inside ehird 18:21:10 You're in a black hole. 18:21:15 how the fuck are you using the internet? 18:21:18 as is my swatter 18:21:35 superluminal eta waves 18:21:42 I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BH-no-escape-3.svg 18:23:16 16:26:17 okay16:26:26 here's an actual question as opposed to a rant.16:28:21 nevermind16:28:24 here's some more ranting. 18:27:38 -!- psygnisf_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:27:58 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 18:29:53 [20:18:57] < fizzie> we both have this weird habit of first writing a befunge interpreter when trying to learn a new language. 18:29:55 -- 2002 18:30:56 * oerjan did too, except with unlambda 18:32:56 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR INDIA. 18:33:12 one of those strange half-hour countries 18:34:41 i'm happy, why? 18:35:18 freak natural accident? 18:35:28 :D 18:42:19 Your guess may be initially best, but when it's entered, it may change the average, thus becoming less accurate. 18:42:35 yes? 18:42:42 adding a guess equal to the average would tend not to change the average, at least for means 18:42:54 oerjan: getting a guess -equal- to the average is very unlikely 18:42:57 I'm talking about close to the average 18:43:04 still 18:43:21 if you add a number, the average is going to get closer to that number 18:43:29 i guess 18:43:34 so if it was closest, it must still be 18:43:52 probably true for median too 18:44:25 in fact that might be taken as an axiom for a reasonable average 18:44:34 i guess so 18:45:32 have you heard about the mediocrity game? 18:45:55 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:46:38 no 18:47:22 it's played in levels 18:48:06 -!- Mony has quit ("Happy New Year guys ;)"). 18:48:22 hmph why no google link 18:48:29 (proper) 18:51:17 you'd think someone had purged the links :D 18:52:16 ah there 18:52:31 on level 0 everyone selects a number (1-10), say 18:52:41 the middle number wins that level 18:53:31 for level n: play m games of level n-1 mediocrity. the winner is the one with the middle number of n-1 wins 18:54:17 "The strategy for higher level games of mediocrity (3+) is extremely difficult." 18:54:24 http://everything2.com/title/Mediocrity 18:55:18 heh 18:55:30 oerjan: mine's cooler though. 18:55:38 because it is meta about the actual bets 19:02:31 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR UZBEKISTAN. 19:03:03 -!- ehird has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR MOLVANIA. 19:05:48 rubbish. that's at least 3 hours yet 19:06:06 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR MALDIVES. 19:12:41 -!- ehird has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY BIRTHDAY MALDIVES. 19:23:42 wait a minute 19:32:16 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR AFGHANISTAN. 19:32:24 they're gonna need it 20:00:23 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR ARMENIA. 20:02:11 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 20:04:44 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 20:07:32 [02:36:28] < fizzie> hmm, got an idea. why not run all ietf drafts through a markov-process-like-word-mangler like the befunge psycho meta brain works. easy way to get an unlimited number of more internet-drafts. 20:18:36 -!- moozilla has joined. 20:20:48 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:20:51 -!- metazilla has joined. 20:22:04 -!- kar8nga has joined. 20:25:14 that amuses me because of the randomly-generated paper that got accepted into a conference this year. 20:28:35 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:28:47 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 20:30:39 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR IRAN. 20:31:24 you really need to cheer up 20:33:49 asztal: sokal affair again? 20:39:51 more or less 20:39:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIgen#Prominent_Results 20:40:05 I thought it was this year though, not 2005 20:40:40 yes it was on reddit recently 20:40:55 it was a computer generated paper 20:40:57 -!- metazilla has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:41:00 -!- moozilla has joined. 20:41:52 oh it seems it was 2005. well typical of reddit 20:43:25 -!- metazilla has joined. 20:43:25 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:43:33 -!- metazilla has changed nick to moozilla. 21:01:26 'On two occasions I have been asked,—"Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" [...] I am not able rightly to comprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' 21:02:51 psygnisfive: i read that quote when I was like in the womb. 21:02:56 :p 21:03:08 i only just read it and i find it quite pithy 21:03:33 it follows on from being indistinguishable from magic. 21:04:13 -!- metazilla has joined. 21:04:15 -!- moozilla has quit (Nick collision from services.). 21:04:25 -!- metazilla has changed nick to moozilla. 21:04:25 metazilla: are you the mooz_ of 2002 gone by? 21:04:28 moozilla: 21:04:48 ehird have you been around here since 2002? 21:05:02 psygnisfive: no, but I have logs of dec 2002 from fizzie :P 21:05:07 ok 21:05:10 wish I was here in 2002 tho 21:05:20 i'd have been 7 21:05:25 i was gonna say, esoterica? when you were just 7? what nonsense is this 21:05:42 well, or 6 21:05:49 birthday in august, so, 6 21:05:57 i'd've been lesse 21:05:59 16? 21:06:18 hmm 21:06:27 under 16s here: ihope, deveah, ... 21:06:28 i think thats it 21:06:29 oh 21:06:31 asie 21:06:32 :p 21:06:41 lets pretend it's 6 years ago 21:06:50 ill be 16 you be 6. 21:06:50 psygnisfive: that's impossible, this place was way cooler then 21:06:57 I mean, fizzie didn't use uppercase for chrissake 21:06:59 that's the power of 2002 21:07:06 * psygnisfive age 16 raeps you age 6 21:07:10 no. 21:07:12 ah nothing changed i see! 21:07:13 :P 21:07:25 uppercase? what's uppercase? 21:07:27 :| 21:07:28 hi lol 21:07:29 hu r u 21:07:47 I don't actually know how I typed when I was 6 (I didn't use any social communimacation machines on the interweb). 21:08:05 i didnt either but thats because when i was 6 we didnt have electricity 21:08:07 But I typed basically all lower-case, punctuation-netspeak-clusterfuck of incoherency when I was 8. 21:08:23 i never typed that way 21:08:35 Reading back on what I said then, it was awful. I can't even figure out wtf I was saying. 21:08:43 Needless to say, I was universally hated. :P 21:09:00 now it takes a more refined eye to detect your youth 21:10:01 I was dreading my 13th birthday. Because non-retarded 13 year olds are slightly more common. :P 21:10:20 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR MADAGASCAR. 21:10:56 Madagascar 2 was a good movie, surprisingly 21:12:20 http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/garble.htm 21:12:32 that was you? 21:12:34 ehird have you seen my websites backgrounds? 21:12:38 Yes. 21:13:00 oerjan: no, I just came off as annoying and idiotic. 21:13:10 arent they lovely backgrounds, ehird? :D 21:13:16 no :P 21:13:19 :( 21:13:34 im considering using a massive 1D CA trace 21:13:40 maybe 110 doing some computation 21:14:10 psygnisfive: just make it run game of life in the background. 21:14:11 :P 21:14:16 too much effort 21:14:25 psygnisfive: pre-render it as an anigif 21:14:37 too annoying 21:15:19 psygnisfive: who cares 21:15:22 i do 21:16:26 -!- metazilla has joined. 21:16:32 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:16:38 -!- metazilla has changed nick to moozilla. 21:17:21 continuous CAs are weird 21:17:51 hm? 21:18:35 continuous CAs 21:18:42 as opposed to ones that use discrete time/space 21:18:51 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:18:55 -!- moozilla has joined. 21:19:47 interesting. 21:20:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_spatial_automaton 21:21:45 continuous spatial automaton might describe the universe ;) 21:21:48 spatula automaton 21:21:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:21:56 spatual! 21:22:01 no, spatula. 21:22:07 spataul! 21:22:09 no, spatula. 21:22:20 spatalu! 21:22:47 no, spatula. 21:22:59 sputala! 21:23:02 no, spatula. 21:23:22 sputaal! 21:23:24 no, spatula. 21:23:28 suptaal! 21:23:32 no, spatula. 21:23:41 spatula! 21:24:11 latsaup 21:24:12 yes, spatula. 21:24:14 agh 21:24:17 fuck you oerjan 21:24:18 you ruined it 21:24:19 :( 21:24:22 YOU RUINED EVERYTHING 21:24:22 spatula spatula spatual! :D 21:24:25 that's actually a genuine norwegian insult 21:24:32 latsaup you, then. 21:24:49 or at least sounds like one 21:25:01 spatual! :D 21:25:23 splatau 21:25:33 splatau!! :DDD 21:25:44 [07:55:30] < lament> calamari: They're probably on crack, so your argument doesn't hold 21:25:50 --2002 21:26:04 http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/christian_bale_10.jpg 21:26:05 hitler! 21:26:06 christian bale is emo 21:31:30 [02:47:45] < navigator> hey have any ascii anime porn links? 21:31:31 -- 2002 21:31:36 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:39:04 [20:14:16] < navigator> to use linux as the wa^H^Hgateway, mustn't i put 1 in /proc/sus^H^Hys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and that's it? 21:39:09 those are literal ^Hs in the file 21:39:10 a rare gem 21:40:46 you mean those aren't attempts at irony? 21:40:52 ehird 21:40:53 http://complexification.net/gallery/ 21:40:59 choose something for me to use as my desktop 21:40:59 the wa^H shows some promise 21:41:22 psygnisfive: generate a file with random noise pixels and use that 21:41:25 'swhat I did for a while 21:41:37 ?? 21:41:38 white noise? 21:41:44 no, random noise pixels 21:41:53 yes, visual white noise 21:41:59 psygnisfive: but multicolour. 21:42:03 photoshop doesit :P 21:42:06 hm 21:42:12 i dont know if i want THAT tho 21:42:19 it's awfully wonderful 21:42:40 lemme see 21:42:47 hmm 21:42:52 photoshop needs to start faster 21:42:56 that binary ring thing somehow disturbs me. take that. 21:43:01 why? 21:43:14 (second last) 21:43:50 s/take that/use that/ 21:44:03 darn idioms 21:44:17 hmm 21:44:40 i wonder what scales gaussian noise can be tiled at without looking repetetive 21:44:48 time to experiment! 21:45:10 ITYM repetetetive 21:45:32 ? 21:45:44 ITYM repetetetetive 21:49:56 hmm 21:50:07 i need a way to script creating random noise 21:50:17 and tiling images 21:52:28 hm 21:52:37 it becomes hard to detect tiling at 50px 21:52:45 not impossible but its not as obvious as, say, 10px 21:52:47 or 20px 22:03:58 -!- oerjan has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR ZAMBIA. 22:04:35 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 22:05:09 ah someone who hails from the future year 2009 22:05:25 planning to celebrate the leap second? 22:05:35 we all are. 22:05:35 duh. 22:09:18 i wont notice the leap second 22:09:24 we will force you to. 22:09:30 D: 22:10:00 hey you know whats good about 2009? 22:10:03 star trek :D 22:10:09 don't worry, it will be a short torture 22:10:31 you mean star trek becomes real in 2009? 22:10:36 yep! 22:10:43 in 2009 we'll be flying around in space ships. 22:10:51 about time! 22:25:28 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 22:33:52 oerjan: 22:33:55 plz to be updating topicK? 22:34:21 hm? 22:34:27 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR GREAT ZIMBABWE. 22:34:45 there are no +1:30 timezones in the wp list 22:35:12 i guess that will do 22:35:32 and they need it too 22:35:43 sinze +1:30 doesnt exist, we wish happy new year to an empire that doesnt exist 22:35:46 :) 22:36:34 someone else should update next half hour as i will be going out to watch fireworks 22:36:50 *in half an hour 22:45:52 im in an exceptional mood gentlemen 22:45:54 EXCEPTION 22:45:55 AL 22:46:00 poop 22:47:21 :) 22:49:25 i guess the :) means it's an exceptionally _good_ mood rather than the opposite 22:49:30 fireworks -> 22:53:25 -> fireworks 22:53:55 what is it? +1? 22:55:08 beats me 22:56:48 oerjan is in sweden right? 22:57:24 ... 22:57:25 norway 22:57:37 close enough 22:57:54 who gets the happy new year at 23:00 UTC? 22:59:05 uhh 22:59:07 molvania 22:59:13 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR ALBANIA, ANDORRA, AUSTRIA, BELGIUM, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, CROATIA, CZECH REPUBLIC, DENMARK, FRANCE, GERMANY, GIBRALTAR, HUNGARY, ITALY, KOSOVO, LIECHTENSTEIN, LUXEMBOURG, MACEDONIA, MALTA, MONACO, MONTENEGRO, NETHERLANDS, NORWAY, POLAND, SAN MARINO, SERBIA, SLOVAKIA, SLOVENIA, SPAIN, EXCEPT CANARY ISLANDS, SV. 22:59:22 SV 22:59:25 psygnisfive: you're a few seconds early 22:59:25 SV------- 22:59:35 is got cut off :( 22:59:43 cut out the log 22:59:44 s 22:59:46 HAPPY NEW YEAR ALBANIA, ANDORRA, AUSTRIA, BELGIUM, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, CROATIA, CZECH REPUBLIC, DENMARK, FRANCE, GERMANY, GIBRALTAR, HUNGARY, ITALY, KOSOVO, LIECHTENSTEIN, LUXEMBOURG, MACEDONIA, MALTA, MONACO, MONTENEGRO, NETHERLANDS, NORWAY, POLAND, SAN MARINO, SERBIA, SLOVAKIA, SLOVENIA, SPAIN, EXCEPT CANARY ISLANDS, SVALBARD AND JAN MAYEN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, TUNISIA, VATICAN CITY, ALGERIA, ANGOLA, BENIN 22:59:46 nobody cares about the logs 22:59:48 , BOUVET ISLAND, CAMEROON, CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC, CHAD, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, GABON, NIGER, NIGERIA, AND REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO! 22:59:51 psygnisfive: BENIN- 23:00:16 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/esoteric/ | UTC leap second today, Dec 31 @ 23:59:60 | try http://time.gov/ | HAPPY NEW YEAR OERJAN. 23:00:31 u.u 23:06:00 YES! 23:06:06 I'M OFFICIALLY A COUNTRY 23:06:15 ALSO, HAPPY NEW YEAR 23:06:26 ehird: I care about the logs 23:06:29 so does oklopol 23:06:31 so do freenode 23:06:33 w/e mon 23:06:45 oklopol is impresent 23:06:56 oerjan: oklopol is esolang programming 23:07:01 therefore, this channel is actually about him 23:08:17 SVALBARD AND JAN MAYEN belong to norway, btw 23:09:09 jan mayen has our only volcano 23:11:42 * oerjan was going to say something about how countries with "democratic" in their names are rarely democratic 23:12:04 oerjan: no more firevurkz? 23:12:19 then i checked up the republic of the congo without the democratic part and found out it's not much better 23:12:41 * oerjan decided fireworks are really stupid, especially when you need to go to the toilet 23:13:14 man this place was so much better in 2002 23:13:18 IT IS NOW 2002, OK 23:13:31 no, it is officially 1993 23:13:34 and has been all month 23:13:36 )-`: 23:13:41 no 2002 is cool 23:13:44 YOU DON'T LIKE US 23:13:46 it is exempted from eternal september 23:13:49 oerjan: you can come. 23:14:03 fizzie: calling you in. 23:14:07 navigator, lament, mooz_: you too. 23:14:24 #esoteric was basically just a conversation between fizzie, navigator and mooz_ 23:14:30 with lament and dbc occasionally butting in. 23:14:35 they're talking about tibooks., 23:14:44 AnMaster: i'll sneak you in the backdoor while ehird isn't looking :D 23:14:51 fuck 23:15:29 what's a tibook. any relation to springboks? 23:15:43 Titanium Powerbook. 23:15:47 From Apple computar. 23:16:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G4 23:17:26 hm a conundrum 23:17:45 will eternal september end when the whole world has internet access? 23:17:50 no. 23:17:51 [23:22:07] < navigator> i'm not sure why to kill the neighbor's dog 23:18:16 because it's barking, or rather howling, half of the day 23:18:29 at least that's why _i_ want to kill the neighbor's dog 23:18:29 [23:26:51] -!- mode/#esoteric [+o navigator] by ChanServ 23:18:30 WHOA. 23:18:31 HE'S OP? 23:18:35 THIS IS NEW> 23:18:40 this is awesome 23:18:42 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 23:18:53 and hasn't been seen for years? 23:18:53 [23:27:58] < fizzie> IN SOVIET RUSSIA baby jesus makes os X and fvwm2 cry! (ok, that's it, no more /. for me) 23:18:57 it was funny in 2002 23:19:21 i guess i'm still in 2002, as i laughed 23:19:25 *lolled 23:20:17 ais523: 23:20:17 [00:31:37] < mooz_> hmm, esolang discussions are rather rare here 23:20:20 PRECEDENT!! 23:20:29 PRESIDENT!! 23:20:53 PRESCIENT!! 23:21:01 umm 23:21:08 CREAMPUFF!! 23:21:33 ooh hard one 23:21:41 DREAMSTUFF!! 23:22:24 ... 23:22:25 GREEN 23:22:37 SPLEEN 23:22:46 MEAN 23:22:49 MACHINE 23:22:59 BACHINE 23:23:02 Precedent PResident Prescient Creampuff Dreamstuff Green Spleen Mean Machine Bachine 23:23:04 that is some machine 23:23:12 MOCHA 23:23:14 PPPCDGSMMB 23:23:17 er, MOCCA 23:23:17 PPPCDGSMMBM 23:23:30 POPPADUM 23:23:57 oh wait it is MOCHA in english 23:24:04 yes 23:24:49 PAPADOPOULOS 23:25:42 [19:48:18] < IcemanX> Have you seen navigator? 23:25:42 [19:49:20] < IcemanX> Hurry up please! 23:25:44 [19:49:51] < IcemanX> Have you seen navigator? 23:25:46 [19:50:04] < IcemanX> fizzie? 23:25:48 thing with this is 23:25:50 this guy comes in every few days 23:25:52 and asks for navigator 23:25:54 and never does anything else 23:25:57 and they always miss each other by a few minutes 23:26:49 and no one notices that they look just the same except for glasses? 23:26:54 :DD 23:27:12 in phonology thatd be called complementary distribtion 23:27:27 which we'd use to infer that two things are really the same thing 23:27:50 obviously linguists in the Marvel universe is well aware of superman and clark kents sameness 23:27:55 another possibility is that navigator is psychic and _really_ doesn't want to see IcemanX 23:28:28 wrong universe, psygnisfive 23:28:50 DC 23:28:51 same thing 23:28:54 --- Day changed Wed Jan 01 2003 23:31:18 [03:21:42] < lament> I am not the channel founder 23:31:18 [03:22:01] < lament> navigator is. 23:31:20 [03:22:09] * andreou == navigator 23:31:22 wait wait wait 23:31:25 I thought it was aardappel????????????? 23:32:35 HAPPY NEW YEAR + 32 minutes! 23:32:44 happy new year - 32 minutes 23:32:50 errr 23:32:59 happy new year - (60 - 32) minutes 23:33:04 AnMaster: i'll sneak you in the backdoor while ehird isn't looking :D <-- ?? 23:33:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 23:33:20 we're going back to 2002 23:33:26 when this place was cooler 23:33:31 AnMaster: you are not expected to understand this 23:33:53 oerjan, I guess I was just a random victim then 23:34:03 no, i wouldn't say that 23:34:09 not random at all, no 23:34:13 oerjan, oh btw that wouldn't have worked I was just standing inside the backdoor around then 23:34:17 watching fireworks 23:34:23 ah 23:34:43 also, happy new year 23:34:44 oerjan, and I knew it was closed, too cold to have it open 23:34:48 oerjan, same 23:34:55 happy new year - (60 - 32) minutes 23:34:56 no 23:35:00 happy new year + (60 - 32) minutes 23:35:01 :P 23:35:07 happy new year from Karlsruhe/Germany ! 23:35:08 that would have worked for you 23:35:08 uh... 23:35:09 no 23:35:14 AnMaster: happy 2008 for me. What's it like in 2009? 23:35:16 it isn't new year yet here. 23:35:17 ah right 23:35:23 ais523, the same 23:35:24 I'm considering going there in about half an hour, could do with a review 23:35:32 the same? 23:35:34 won't bother then. 23:35:39 Happy hours away from the new year. 23:35:40 ais523, however a very high amount of fireworks so far this year 23:35:45 highly unusual 23:35:53 sounds awful 23:35:55 ehird: put it this way: AnMaster didn't recommend it, so I'd imagine you'd jump at the chance 23:36:01 :D 23:36:01 [05:29:40] * lament is away: my tarantula is molting!!!! 23:36:10 ehird, hah 23:36:13 -- 2002 23:36:18 well 23:36:18 jan 2003 23:36:19 by now 23:36:23 ais523, hm would you say "counter clockwise" or "anti clockwise" 23:36:25 in English 23:36:25 * ehird reading >3000 lines of logs from fizzie 23:36:29 AnMaster: both. 23:36:40 no one is more common? 23:36:42 AnMaster: they're both correct, I hear anticlockwise more often 23:36:50 My dictionary list both 23:36:53 hm 23:36:56 i hear both the same 23:36:58 I think it depends 23:37:02 "turn the dial anticlockwise" 23:37:02 but 23:37:07 "a reverse clock goes counterclockwise" 23:37:20 heh 23:37:24 ehird: nah, I'd say it went anticlockwise 23:37:27 and therefore would be an anticlock 23:37:31 ais523: that's because you suck 23:37:48 it is like ned and ner in Swedish then (both means "down") 23:38:02 sheesh, an anticlock would make _time_ go backwards 23:38:19 [18:05:22] -!- lament [~lament@h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ricotee 23:38:20 [18:10:45] < lament> my tarantula molted! 23:38:27 ... 23:38:30 ricotee -> mangled #esoteric 23:38:33 oerjan, and would cease to exist if it came in physical contact with a normal clock? 23:38:33 vi is fucked up on this system 23:38:43 AnMaster: quite probably 23:38:46 very messed up for you to typo it that badly 23:38:51 ehird, I thought that was what vi always was 23:38:53 ;P 23:38:53 not a typo, ais523 23:38:57 vi actually displayed it as that 23:39:09 I think it has miscalculated the number of columns in my terminal 23:39:11 * oerjan swats AnMaster -----### 23:39:28 oerjan, oh you are not one of us enlightened emacs users? 23:39:32 I pitty you 23:39:36 I used to think that counterclockwise is called counterclockwise because a counter clock goes that way. 23:39:52 * ehird has used both vi and emacs for months each. 23:39:55 Warrigal, hah 23:39:56 I prefer TextMate. 23:39:58 emacs? vi(m)? 23:40:02 i agree with ehird 23:40:04 TM > all 23:40:04 I also use kate and kdevelop 23:40:12 psygnisfive: shut up, you're making me look bad by association. 23:40:23 * psygnisfive rapes ehird 23:40:27 no. 23:40:31 that is not shutting up. 23:40:52 all that moaning is rather noisy 23:40:53 I use emacs as my main programming editor, gedit for quick notes, and vi every now and then (normally over ssh or telnet) 23:41:09 vi is fine, just I haven't really got to know it yet 23:41:54 emacs and kate for programming; kdevelop for programming too, but not as often; nano for quick config editing as root or over ssh 23:42:17 i use emacs for lisp and haskell. 23:42:44 oh? 23:43:10 AnMaster: vi is pretty much a universal editor for UNIX-alikes, and it fits in hardly any disk space 23:43:13 which care good reasons to know it 23:43:28 sometimes I use systems which don't have enough disk space to fit emacs on them 23:58:50 PLEASE BRACE FOR UPCOMING LEAP SECOND 23:58:55 oerjan: is time.gov down? 23:58:58 I can't seem to access it 23:59:11 ah, it's not 23:59:15 just didn't work the first time for some reason