a is valid. < 1228585391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<100%> < 1228585394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1228585396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1228585397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1228585404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there I think I closed all < 1228585408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1228585415 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( is a parenthesis, [ is a bracket, { is a brace, < is half a quotation mark in some langauges. < 1228585479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1228585489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no < 1228585495 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: ( = parenthesis, [ = square bracket, { = brace, < = bracket < 1228585497 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, almost right < 1228585500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( is wax, [ is U turn, { is a embrace, < is angle < 1228585502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1228585504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask ais523 < 1228585509 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ curly bracket < 1228585513 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ha ha ha. < 1228585517 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1228585540 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, the standard INTERCAL naming system. < 1228585550 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) is wane, } is bracelet, and I don't remember what ] and > are. < 1228585555 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :". < 1228585557 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RABBIT! < 1228585563 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do it. < 1228585570 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no rabbit unicode char? < 1228585591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] U turn back < 1228585592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot below is an accent, isn't it? < 1228585603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> right angle < 1228585607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, ^ < 1228585611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be possible < 1228585656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a hungarian " accent on a dot < 1228585674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228585684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know enough unicode to actually make any of those
< 1228585725 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'.' < 1228585738 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing sentences that end in quotes, I tend to put the period under the quotation mark. < 1228585740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spark-dot-spark? < 1228585763 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL used to have dot and rabbit ears at the same time < 1228585765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, rabbit < 1228585766 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a rabbit < 1228585774 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was back when it was in punch cards < 1228585777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, yes I know < 1228585788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, and ick can do it with back-space inserted iirc < 1228585793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a literal backspace < 1228585810 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pix < 1228585811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't make a lot of sense to have backspace as an ASCII code but yes it exists < 1228585824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, non-printable ASCII code < 1228585834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like \a is bell, or such < 1228585840 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "pix" and not "write it" < 1228585858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, well emacs shows it as ^? < 1228585874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ^H ? < 1228585892 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bell is ^G. < 1228585898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^? is DEL, i thought < 1228585921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I guess my terminal messed up then < 1228585930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I get ^[[3~ for Del < 1228585932 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a table: http://www.asciitable.com/ < 1228585944 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a table on my wall. < 1228585952 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two columns to the right of ? is DEL. < 1228585968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: hey i was on that page < 1228585973 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My table is prettyier, because 002-006 are pretty shapes < 1228585974 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two columns to the right of BS is H. < 1228585989 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dark here. < 1228585993 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am likely to be eaten by a grue. < 1228586000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :grue < 1228586005 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1228586005 0 :grue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats zuff
< 1228586010 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Groo Nickname is already in use." < 1228586010 0 :grue!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1228586013 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking balls < 1228586035 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two columns to the right of RS is ^, so I guess RS is written as ^^. This also means that there's no good way to write ^, as it would be a ^ followed by RS. < 1228586057 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is very dark. < 1228586058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ghost him! < 1228586062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1228586062 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely see. :D < 1228586063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1228586067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that < 1228586090 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straw poll: should I put some lights on? < 1228586105 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1228586108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: no, don't scare the poor hungry grues < 1228586114 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be better to use a second- or fourth-column character to mean shift by two columns. < 1228586115 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll closed. < 1228586162 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#, say. NUL is #@, SOH is #A, SUB is #Z, US is #_, etc., then DEL is #? and # is #c. < 1228586950 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1228586951 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys. < 1228586952 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-20-41.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1228586975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228586981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snrf < 1228586990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does INTERCAL keep the name ampersand for & < 1228586991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1228587000 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's already funny! < 1228587008 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because they couldn't think of anything funnier < 1228587011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1228587012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ the manual already explains that < 1228587015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1228587016 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does. < 1228587017 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1228587019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was looking in it < 1228587022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't find it < 1228587025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps
< 1228587095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm can't find it in Revamped Instruction Manual for C-INTERCAL (0.29) < 1228587096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the appendix. < 1228587102 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it the other organs? < 1228587102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1228587109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, tonsile < 1228587111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1228587112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling < 1228587113 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that one < 1228587163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh in my copy of that I only see: texinfo internal error < 1228587164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Abstraction is not clever. -- reddit comment | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | You must be able to tell every INTERCAL joke to enter here. < 1228587164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1228587170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not odd I couldn't grepped < 1228587173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep it* < 1228587195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1228587216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal-man/tonsila.html < 1228587216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i never leave, i don't have to do that, right? < 1228587231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i will not have entered, i mean < 1228587232 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : Damn you loophole exploiting man < 1228587243 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Got any better ideas?" < 1228587260 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1228587292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i exploited loopholes before i was born < 1228587298 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exploit" < 1228587299 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"loopholes" < 1228587367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i used paradoxes before i was conceived < 1228587389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1228587419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a time paradox :o < 1228587591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1228587622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it's AnMaster's job to explain obvious jokes, not yours < 1228587653 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I don't want illegal aliens to take the jobs of hard working americans < 1228587662 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I'm neither hard working or American < 1228587669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah... stop stealing my job. < 1228587676 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shut up, dirty swede < 1228587683 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gb2/sweden < 1228587685 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1228587689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, hey I showered only last week! < 1228587692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He alreadu is. < 1228587701 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: he is in VIRTUAL AMERICAN SPACE < 1228587703 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick AnMaster < 1228587720 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By whom was created #esoteric? < 1228587723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is american? i had the impression it was british < 1228587726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts to sing the Internationale
< 1228587738 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dirty commie < 1228587746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly some EU thing < 1228587747 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shut up, dirty norway...ian < 1228587757 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACTS ARE USELESS < 1228587764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: i fart in your general direction < 1228587776 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, all foreigners are dirty < 1228587779 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially foreigners like ME < 1228587781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, #esoteric has EU-bidrag < 1228587786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know English word for it < 1228587787 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bidrag = DIRTY RAG < 1228587792 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTFO < 1228587794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, more like money < 1228587804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes dirty < 1228587809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this channel attracts bi's alright. < 1228587810 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up commie < 1228587823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you translate it? < 1228587843 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google.com/translate_t < 1228587869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1228587877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EU-bidrag" -> "EU grants" < 1228587883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems reasonable too < 1228587888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the translations < 1228587890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge grant < 1228587891 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grants is a few letters away from GENITALS < 1228587900 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all europeans are PERVERTS < 1228587922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes #esoteric has an EU grant of 1.2 million euro / year < 1228587928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you know? < 1228587934 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that money invested? < 1228587940 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about £100bn < 1228587951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: :D < 1228587962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, no clue, ask ehird, I believe he stole most of it < 1228587971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be continental or american billions? < 1228587980 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and that's $googl < 1228587982 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googol < 1228587990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goggles < 1228587994 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DO NOTHING < 1228588004 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's the usd < 1228588005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, wait, million = 1 000 000 in English is it? < 1228588012 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1228588020 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billion is either 10 mil or mil mil < 1228588021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1228588022 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends. < 1228588025 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wait no < 1228588027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? odd < 1228588031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: 1000 mil < 1228588035 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1228588041 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bil = 1k mil | mil mil < 1228588042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 mil = miljard in Swedish < 1228588055 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like "milliard" in English, I imagine. < 1228588066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billion = 1000 miljarder iirc < 1228588069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that < 1228588077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use such large numbers written out < 1228588079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1228588086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in scientific notation < 1228588112 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, please write out 10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 fully expanded in numbers < 1228588150 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1228588151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1228588151 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1228588152 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588153 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588155 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588157 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588159 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1228588161 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588163 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588165 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one number per line < 1228588168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your big mouth < 1228588168 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588170 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588172 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588174 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I didn't intend that < 1228588176 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1228588178 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588180 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588182 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588184 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588186 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588186 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll help. < 1228588187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, sorry for that, please stop? < 1228588188 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588190 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588192 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588194 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588196 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588197 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588198 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588200 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588202 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588204 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588206 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588208 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588210 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm just being helpful, sheesh < 1228588212 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1228588214 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thank you warrigal < 1228588216 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588218 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, he makes a nice clock. < 1228588219 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588222 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588225 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588225 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can see visually when what was said. < 1228588226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1228588228 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588231 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1228588234 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9*^~&*!%&^%CARRIER LOST < 1228588236 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1228588238 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CARRIER < 1228588239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, hm I think the number is too large to write out fully < 1228588246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, not sure about that < 1228588265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer locks up when I try to calculate it ;P < 1228588271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is *probably* way too large < 1228588272 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no shit? < 1228588283 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you need room for 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 digits. < 1228588289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ten decillions or ten novemdecillions, anyway < 1228588308 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you memorized one digit per year, you'd probably finish before the heat death of the universe. < 1228588334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, ah right < 1228588355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, what about number of molecules to write it out right now? < 1228588367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming two atoms per number < 1228588398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i didn't notice the 10^. AnMaster, you are insane. < 1228588399 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit, AnMaster < 1228588400 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit < 1228588439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, right < 1228588445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thank you < 1228588453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I always wanted < 1228588467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid of that < 1228588491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? that I wanted to be acknowledged as insane? < 1228588500 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is about 10^10^20. At 1 digit per year, 10^20 years from the beginning of the universe will be... < 1228588524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, How else would I be able to win the IG Nobel price?!? < 1228588550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err Ig < 1228588560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is not a requirement < 1228588561 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in the Degenerate Era, after solar systems do not exist but before galaxies do not exist. < 1228588572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact being _too_ sane may be just as good < 1228588583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1228588587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, good point < 1228588589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then you might not recognize that your research is not < 1228588590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too late now < 1228588675 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_from_Big_Bang_to_Heat_Death < 1228588680 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where in there will everything be dead? < 1228588706 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "everything" < 1228588714 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All intelligent things. < 1228588726 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define intelligen < 1228588726 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1228588739 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If our main energy source is protons, I guess that'll be at 160 on the timeline, or 10^10^(160/100) years from the beginning of the universe. < 1228588767 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.46721137 * 10^39 years. < 1228588768 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. < 1228588773 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: no way we'll last that long < 1228588779 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where we = all intelligent life < 1228588782 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proton" isn'the problem of enrgy source. < 1228588790 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're made of protons. < 1228588793 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes, of course, that our using protons as energy doesn't deplete protons significantly. < 1228588803 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1228588808 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they disintegrate, so do you < 1228588829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I hope we can come up with a solution before then, it won't happen in my life time at least. Probably humans will be extinct way before then anyway < 1228588831 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it will be well before that. < 1228588839 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proton decay is an exponential drop < 1228588849 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 is only when everyone will be decayed < 1228588859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we stay intelligent long enough, we can just transform into another form. maybe we can live on the surface of black holes < 1228588878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those will last a long time, right < 1228588881 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict that intelligent life will disappear at around 110-115. < 1228588884 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, half of them will be gone after 150. < 1228588888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err there are other issues with them < 1228588893 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : No. < 1228588894 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less. < 1228588899 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They last even less than protons. < 1228588902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1228588905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, that is double logarithmic < 1228588912 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, something like 10^100 years < 1228588924 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some time after 150, I mean. < 1228588927 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what the page says. < 1228588937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, check the scale... < 1228588941 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: why will intelligent life disappear around 110-115? < 1228588968 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Degenerate Era, I guess. Well, it might be a bit after 120. < 1228588970 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I see "half of all protons have decayed", and to the left of it, some number above 150. < 1228588986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, yes indeed < 1228588991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also notice what the 150 means < 1228589008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 150 = 100*log(log(real_year)) < 1228589013 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^(150/100) years. < 1228589025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1228589038 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around 10^31. < 1228589072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^32-1 would be nicer, a perfect number for it < 1228589114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes not same as 2^... < 1228589116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1228589139 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the Degenerate Era begins around 115, or 133,000,000,000,000 years. We're at 13,700,000,000 years now. < 1228589178 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares. I'll probably be a bunch of neutrinos and positrons by then. < 1228589321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: actually it says black holes last longer < 1228589334 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll probably be after the year 2066, which will be a pretty cool year, assuming 21st Century Fox is accurate. < 1228589385 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: everyone knows it's 2012 < 1228589386 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1228589404 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: new agers :P < 1228589406 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 dec 2012 < 1228589414 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "it"? < 1228589419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "why 2066" < 1228589422 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1228589422 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of 2012. < 1228589426 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: end of life < 1228589426 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228589426 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know crazy people. < 1228589430 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like waaaay crazy < 1228589433 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2066 because 21st Century Fox takes place in that year. < 1228589442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I believe in dragons" kinda crazy. < 1228589483 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people who are friends with therians for some yet-to-be-adequately-explained reason. < 1228589520 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to believe that other universes could cause our universe to follow *their* laws of physics. Or maybe I'm misremembering. < 1228589543 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember believing that Neopets really did exist *somewhere*. < 1228589556 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DON'T? :O < 1228589557 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228589740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: it's not false, it's just unprovable :) < 1228589789 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not-X is falsifiable, what do you call X? Verifiable? < 1228589822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228589830 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming so, it's certainly not falsifiable, but whether it *does* happen is greatly verifiable. < 1228589832 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... which, for the sake of rationality and occam's razor, can be treated as false < 1228589903 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that oerjan disagrees
< 1228589904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: heretic! < 1228589911 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing < 1228589914 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something is neither falsifiable nor verifiable, it's not scientific. < 1228590037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: "the Co-NP-complete tautology problem" < 1228590093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1228590101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1228590117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the opposite of satisfiable, not falsifiable < 1228590121 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what polynomial time has to do with this, but the concept is probably isomorphic. < 1228590136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious duality < 1228590179 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to treat isomorphism as if it were a relation rather than a type of relation. < 1228590272 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is isomorphic to -i; the identity function is isomorphic to "it is given; Q.E.D."; rock, paper, and scissors are all isomorphic to each other; all numbers are isomorphic to 0, especially if they're very large, very composite numbers. < 1228590287 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no number except 0 is *completely* isomorphic to 0. < 1228590346 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: wat < 1228590384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: it seems verifiable means something like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationist < 1228590405 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of isomorphisms mapping 60 to 0, because 60 is very composite. < 1228590478 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congruence modulo 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30, and 60 all map betweek 60 and 0. < 1228590481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This article needs additional citations for verification." yeah, right < 1228590535 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000000000000000000000! is so isomorphic to 0 that you might as well just call it 0. :-P < 1228590744 0 :MisterOrange!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" < 1228591728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of a 2D open source space turn based strategy game? I just felt an urge to play that. < 1228591755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either strategy or something similar, like strategy + exploring + colonization < 1228591788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stratego, explorer, colonization < 1228591793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why i said that. < 1228591856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the acronym is sexcolon, so clearly it was a freudian slip < 1228591885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1228591887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly < 1228591955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it's not written colonyzation < 1228592028 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a game that consists entirely of exploration. < 1228592054 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you know, discovering things that are somehow useful. < 1228592112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking a game where you build fantasticcontraption-like spaceships and explore 2d space with them < 1228592118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity and all < 1228592118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228592125 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Game of Live? < 1228592131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1228592136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe get scored on how far you can get from your home planet and shit < 1228592142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise just exploration < 1228592144 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spore? < 1228592148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1228592152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spore is nothing like that < 1228592153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant was something like: < 1228592156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeciv for space < 1228592157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life is nothing like that < 1228592159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean? < 1228592162 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spore has plenty of exploration < 1228592171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can do just that < 1228592177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, open source? < 1228592183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget that was in the original list < 1228592185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yeah, sure, but it's nothing like my idea < 1228592195 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you're talking about, AnMaster < 1228592200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Warrigal's idea. < 1228592210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you, oklopol < 1228592216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't following the conversation < 1228592223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone know of a 2D open source space turn based strategy game? I just felt an urge to play that. < 1228592224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : either strategy or something similar, like strategy + exploring + colonization < 1228592225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: of course you know what i'm talking about < 1228592227 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find if there's an alternative to cremation/burial/SCIENCE < 1228592228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the original question < 1228592231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you addressed it directly < 1228592233 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why open source, pray tell? Are you going to be cheating by reading the source or something? < 1228592242 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free as in beer I could understand. < 1228592274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, well it needs to run on linux < 1228592278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1228592282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine is such a pain < 1228592284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience < 1228592288 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are free-as-in-beer games that are closed source and work on linux. < 1228592298 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not many, admittedly. < 1228592311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, I can't think of any such, got any example? < 1228592322 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the name... loki games? Made them. < 1228592325 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ports of windows games, mostly. < 1228592327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1228592337 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closed 2002, apparently. < 1228592340 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228592354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228592371 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of their titles are for-pay; but I'm pretty sure I read about them making some free stuff < 1228592386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eric's Ultimate Solitaire" i listed on the wiki page. I think I played something called that back on Mac OS 7 once... < 1228592391 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1228592405 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deus ex was "in progress" XD < 1228592422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1228592452 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Code a game. :P < 1228592470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, right anyway, can you think a game that is 1) something like the game freeciv, but takes place in space 2) runs on linux 3) is either free as in beer or free as in OSI < 1228592480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228592481 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1228592493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, I would if I could make up any good story lines or such < 1228592498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always sucked at that < 1228592507 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Games don't need good plots. < 1228592517 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are in space. You have to find things and stuff. And use those things to do things." < 1228592527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, I also suck at drawing < 1228592538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really I wouldn't want ASCII interface for it < 1228592551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D graphics probably < 1228592552 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make graphics like Asteroids or Space wars. < 1228592556 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector line art ftw < 1228592575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, well true it scales well, I mean not locked to fixed bitmap sizes ;P < 1228592576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually just do bals < 1228592577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*balls < 1228592585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that sounds so dirty < 1228592586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1228592596 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, I'm the one who _makes_ the obvious dirty jokes < 1228592600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you just need to have a few kinds of objects < 1228592602 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who doesn't get them < 1228592609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not just use a few different basic shapes < 1228592609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, really? I thought it was ehird who did < 1228592613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since he isn't here... < 1228592613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or colors < 1228592620 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I killed ehird < 1228592629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, then what about making up game mechanics? < 1228592635 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oklopol> i was thinking a game where you build fantasticcontraption-like spaceships and explore 2d space with them < 1228592638 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1228592651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, sounds fun yeah < 1228592662 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Come up with something. < 1228592663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need some space battles too < 1228592665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is it < 1228592674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, then finding time to code it < 1228592690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate GUI programming for some reason, always found backend much more fun < 1228592694 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You seem to have adequate minutes to explain in detail your requirements for it then talk about how you couldn't make it and be rebutted. :P < 1228592698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I could use some language that made it easy < 1228592724 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you're using C, just write a simple game loop thing on top of Allegro or SDL that renders the vector stuff to screen and handles moving it etc. < 1228592724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, well I probably won't have time to make it soon, but maybe I'll start on it this xmas holiday < 1228592730 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could code without thinking of the gui. < 1228592736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'll start learning haskell then < 1228592765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, I wouldn't use C for it, since it would be turn based I guess < 1228592768 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh lord. Please stick to the game. :P < 1228592785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1228592787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, actually I have planned beginning with haskell then < 1228592789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: yes, it'd be pretty perfect, the problem is it's kinda complicated, because i want planets to actually consist of millions of tiny particles < 1228592790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1228592794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar < 1228592794 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no no no no no no no no >_< < 1228592803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1228592806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/have/got/ < 1228592808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1228592821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to dynamically make larger blocks out of the particle heaps and so one < 1228592822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1228592835 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be viable. < 1228592841 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use fractals. < 1228592848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what do you plan for RAM requirement? < 1228592858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think fractals are useful unless you have a very static system. < 1228592874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be useful for generating the space, but i don't think for actually running it < 1228592875 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: who cares about things like RAM? < 1228592877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, just make time a fractal too? < 1228592892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that works for a static animation. < 1228592895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, someone who doesn't have a lot of it? < 1228592903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah hm right < 1228592905 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much ram have you got? < 1228592909 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A planet is a pile of dirt. A pile of dirt is made of smaller piles of dirt. < 1228592910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, 1.5 GB < 1228592913 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1228592914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't know how much ram i have < 1228592915 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a fractal to me. < 1228592923 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1GB here. < 1228592935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, well, you have even less < 1228592940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: umm. < 1228592943 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OS X isn't exactly light on the RAM consumption. Yet I have 20+ things open and it's smooth sailing. < 1228592943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sorry for you < 1228592956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: well yeah sure you can think of it like that, but i don't see the use < 1228592965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, same, but if you want to store a planet as a list of billions of particles... < 1228592972 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did oklopol said billions? < 1228592974 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say < 1228592978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok millions < 1228592985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1228592986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1228593003 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did not say millions. < 1228593005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when a planet is sufficiently far away, it can be compressed < 1228593017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a million particles into about ten basic shapes < 1228593022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1228593033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of course you could go around space making sculptures... < 1228593043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh? < 1228593048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the idea is < 1228593056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I assume all travel would be sub-light speed? < 1228593060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're this little population of these weird aliens. < 1228593061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for maximum realism? < 1228593068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can pick up particles < 1228593071 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about speed < 1228593072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and build things out of them. < 1228593081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm < 1228593084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't see a need for that < 1228593128 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the computer world, it's easier to build things out of abstract concepts than to build them out of particles. < 1228593131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd fly around by building somekinda spaceships, there'd be certain materials that can be "burned" or something, and you could use them to shoot particles out the spaceship's ass to start flying, like a normal spaceship. < 1228593139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, true < 1228593142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: so? < 1228593171 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having to simulate Newtonian dynamics is easier on the processor. < 1228593178 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1228593180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean like dilithium crystals? < 1228593193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, uh you reverse the, um, something to do it < 1228593199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polarity maybe < 1228593202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would fit well there < 1228593213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you could maybe make a tv show out of it < 1228593223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: what's the alternative when you can build *anything*? < 1228593250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no i mean a particle that can blow up. < 1228593305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hrrm < 1228593341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh right, would be something like, Uranium-238? < 1228593345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 235 < 1228593347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is < 1228593375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't really care for a real world example of a similar substance < 1228593395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: kabloomium < 1228593396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really anything that burns fast will do < 1228593419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a match < 1228593429 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there's a grid, and shapes have positions on the grid. They're simple geometric shapes like squares and 45-degree right triangles. They have small amounts of state and have simple effects on their surroundings. < 1228593438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah < 1228593459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: yeah, something like that < 1228593466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, what about gravitation? < 1228593480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity would be something that only happens when particles are connected into a mass < 1228593489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the simplified physics < 1228593510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depending on how you define this... you could end up with a cellular automaton < 1228593524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how you define that grid and interactions and such < 1228593525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no not really, because you need to optimize it every step of the way < 1228593534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh? < 1228593536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be abstraction going on all the time < 1228593539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the program. < 1228593540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1228593546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1228593549 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitation isn't discrete, so it would have to be a modified version. < 1228593552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the rules, the laws of physics < 1228593557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, or you could just buy IBM Roadrunner < 1228593558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are pretty much a ca < 1228593559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1228593580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is that the supercomputer they're advertising now? < 1228593588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, isn't it the fastest one? < 1228593601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broke some "barrier" of flops iirc < 1228593606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like teraflops < 1228593609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1228593611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1228593614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember details < 1228593617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a real supercomp okay < 1228593628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the one they're selling for home use < 1228593631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Roadrunner is a supercomputer built by IBM at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, USA. Currently the world's fastest computer, the US$133-million Roadrunner is designed for a peak performance of 1.7 petaflops, achieving 1.026 on May 25, 2008,[1][2][3] and to be the world's first TOP500 Linpack sustained 1.0 petaflops system. It is a one-of-a-kind supercomputer, built from commodity part < 1228593631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s, with many novel design features." < 1228593634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1228593636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :petaflops < 1228593639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not teraflops < 1228593759 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to convert game of life rules into a wolfram 1d automaton: < 1228593762 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111 < 1228593762 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 < 1228593765 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1228593768 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-91.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1228593773 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that indent arrive? < 1228593780 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1228593782 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it did. < 1228593796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, hm interesting < 1228593804 0 :sorear!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1228593825 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what # it is. < 1228593825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, btw, what OS are you on? < 1228593830 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X. Why? < 1228593841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering. < 1228593849 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1228593855 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ don't < 1228593861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting OS < 1228593879 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1228593881 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ don't < 1228593885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: 8+32+64 = 104 < 1228593894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most OS it has some really good ideas and a few bad. < 1228593900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bundle thing is very nice < 1228593905 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it TC? :P < 1228593917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the bit about it being tied to Apple hardware < 1228593931 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apple is a hardware company, except its hardware only sells because of its software. < 1228593935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you can't find settings for everything easily always. < 1228593940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it has some really good ideas < 1228593948 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything easily always" < 1228593951 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stunning sentence combination there < 1228593958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: only 110 is known to be TC i think (and its equivalents, 104 is not one) < 1228593964 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 30 is < 1228593967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff, sorry for the bad grammar < 1228593977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: has it been proved? < 1228593982 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so. < 1228594025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: wp does not say so < 1228594073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does mathworld < 1228594074 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obviously is. :P < 1228594097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that class 4 type, i guess. but that is no proof, just wolfram's hypothesis < 1228594135 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1228594140 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not trust wolfram :P < 1228594141 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask ais523. < 1228594152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the guy to prove Wolfram's hypothesises. < 1228594185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture of 104 looks boring, dies out immediately < 1228594192 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228594223 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just like in gol < 1228594243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's just because the pictures start with a single cell and the rule always requires at least 2 < 1228594252 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1228594254 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean there are Wolfram rules whose TC-ness is unknown? < 1228594261 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: yes. < 1228594276 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1228594297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume 30 is one < 1228594647 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 104 is boring < 1228594649 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just produces lines < 1228594745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zuff: 8+32+64 = 104 <-- how does that work? < 1228594753 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary < 1228594754 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1228594769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1228594771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1228594775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111 < 1228594775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 < 1228594776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1228594779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zuff: 8+32+64 = 104 < 1228594784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out
< 1228594810 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :011 is the 8s place, 101 is the 32s place, 110 is the 64s place. < 1228594821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1228594840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 100 and such? < 1228594861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sum the ones that give 1 < 1228594863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1228594866 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1228594901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wouldn't it be possible to construct other ones with the same numbers? < 1228594921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1228594922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you write it in the order 111 110 101 100 011 010 001 000, then you just take the bits below as the binary representation < 1228594939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so binary 01101000 = 104 < 1228594941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 101 (base 2) is 5? not 32 < 1228594945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1228594952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....wut < 1228594954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 2^ < 1228594964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1228594975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thazz what he meant < 1228594978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1228594979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1228594999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have 3->1 mapping < 1228595011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unique isn't it? < 1228595029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: 104 seems to be able to produce something else than vertical lines, but more rarely and which eventually dies out in my first tries < 1228595036 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1228595041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of course < 1228595048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1228595060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about 2->1 mappings? < 1228595069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lul? < 1228595075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is binary new to you :P < 1228595075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you would presumably use 11 10 01 00 < 1228595080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no < 1228595084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1228595088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering < 1228595092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were any interesting < 1228595104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those are boolean binary operators < 1228595109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1228595114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1228595134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so 4->1 or 5->2? < 1228595145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not make a lot of sense < 1228595146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1228595146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went through and checked once. none are really interesting, the most hard to predict are xor and its dual < 1228595162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm nxor? < 1228595164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you'd usually assume -> 1 anyhow < 1228595180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalence, not sure if it has an abbreviation < 1228595185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well what if I assume -> 2, probably a bully automaton(?) < 1228595210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but then you'd double the field size each step < 1228595228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's wrong with that? < 1228595231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fun, hope you got enough ram < 1228595231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the table says what one cell becomes, given its ancestor neighborhood < 1228595236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty cool < 1228595249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe something fractal comes out < 1228595250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so you insert extra cells, like the expanding universe < 1228595261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is an interesting analogy there < 1228595262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1228595289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I suggest using ternary instead of binary < 1228595291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more fun < 1228595334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't you agree? < 1228595338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ternary is fun < 1228595370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ternary is for terrible languages. < 1228595391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well sure you can do that < 1228595400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well ternary cellular automatons would be fun < 1228595425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ternary game of life: alive, on life support, dead < 1228595426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wolfram scheme with 3 cells binary is just the simlest case that gives interesting automata, i guess < 1228595429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1228595430 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it already exist? < 1228595453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of life variations < 1228595465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey was the joke THAT bad or what? < 1228595478 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is tere a GAME OF DEAT? < 1228595483 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1228595489 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard. < 1228595492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life support? < 1228595500 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireless keyboards are shitty. < 1228595504 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They drain batteries. < 1228595525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, you want one that can be recharged then < 1228595527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1228595535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I use a old PS/2 keyboard < 1228595537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works perfectly < 1228595545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an old* < 1228595548 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one with a wire, AnMaster < 1228595557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, PS/2 or USB? < 1228595560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they didn't have any keyboard with a 1.8m wire < 1228595563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 is nicer :) < 1228595564 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB. < 1228595568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah then you can make paramedic gliders that bring other gliders back to life! < 1228595576 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228595579 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1228595580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, haha < 1228595594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I would say my keyboard cable is like 1.7 meters or so < 1228595595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also evil thugs that beat gliders up < 1228595599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my guess < 1228595604 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1228595608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEN CENTIMETERS NOT ENOUGH < 1228595617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well it is PS/2 < 1228595619 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : That would be THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME < 1228595624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for usb you can get longer cables < 1228595629 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1228595630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I got an usb extension cable here < 1228595637 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longer cables for a wireless keyboard? < 1228595642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it like 3 meters < 1228595647 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot wrap my mind around such a concept! < 1228595647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, no for usb keyboard... < 1228595648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1228595666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want one with a wire, AnMaster < 1228595675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : USB. < 1228595682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But they didn't have any keyboard with a 1.8m wire < 1228595692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for usb you can get longer cables Slereah, I got an usb extension cable here < 1228595694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, duh < 1228595874 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 is useless and obsolete. < 1228595912 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION becomes gradually more attached to this moniker
< 1228595972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is useless and obsolete < 1228595989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except ham. < 1228596026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammer < 1228596046 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacon. < 1228596287 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any live cell with fewer than two live neighbours goes on life support. < 1228596287 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any live cell with more than three live or life supported neighbours dies. < 1228596288 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any live cell with two or three live or life supported neighbours lives. < 1228596290 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any tile with exactly three live neighbours cells is populated with a living cell. < 1228596292 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any cell on life support with fewer than two live neighbours dies. < 1228596294 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any cell on life support with more than three live or life supported neighbours dies. < 1228596296 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any cell on life support with two or three live neighbours becomes living. < 1228596298 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ game of life and life support < 1228596305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228596312 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life supported cells are reccomended to be repeesented as the colour inbetween live and dead < 1228596338 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: implement it. < 1228596367 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if MCell could do that. < 1228596376 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The catterpillar has emerged from its coccoon, as a shark, with a gun for its mouth" < 1228596396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: never < 1228596408 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll implement it. < 1228596414 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: got my minigame library? < 1228596427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't got anything. < 1228596438 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i gave it to you months ago, c'mon, you must have it < 1228596441 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made pong in it :P < 1228596443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228596448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have it *comeshwew* < 1228596450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1228596459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slight typo there. < 1228596461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*somewhere < 1228596465 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Life, except life -> support and support -> death occur where death would occur, support -> life occurs where survival would occur, and death -> life occurs where birth would occur? < 1228596469 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find it and vjn.fi/pb it :P < 1228596470 0 :nice_!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1228596489 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: There are some unchanged rules. < 1228596491 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for certain ones of those, support counts as life, and for others, it doesn't? < 1228596511 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The theory is that every cell needs healthy neighbours to survive. < 1228596515 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1228596520 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And overpopulation is overpopulation healthy or not. < 1228596540 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto with the right population, although that might need tweaking. < 1228596549 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life support is just: have conditions improved, stayed the same, or worsened? < 1228596555 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the first, it revives. Otherwise, it dies. < 1228596574 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION walks through a glider in it manually
< 1228596753 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1228596758 0 :nice_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe < 1228596766 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's too tedious. < 1228596797 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a glider will glide. < 1228596809 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will, it's right in the name! < 1228596819 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean like < 1228596825 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.#. < 1228596827 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..# < 1228596830 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### < 1228596841 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the glider? I forgot. < 1228596846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1228596847 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1228596851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the glider < 1228596852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1228596865 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know like three Life thingamagig. < 1228596877 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three basic groups, really. < 1228596877 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the lesser-known phase: < 1228596879 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.. < 1228596880 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.## < 1228596883 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##. < 1228596886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1228596892 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A block, an oscillator and a spaceship. < 1228596894 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1228596903 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's also guns, but they're too big to remember like that < 1228596943 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of a few still lifes, possibly more than one oscillator, and the glider and [LMH]WSS. < 1228596945 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :zzuf < 1228596948 0 :zzuf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1228596958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not that hard to remember if you understand how they work < 1228596966 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I know of infinitely many still lifes. < 1228596975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still life? < 1228596986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, an object that is immortal, just sits around < 1228596990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal : Connected still life? < 1228597002 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1228597012 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW! < 1228597051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, just do like < 1228597052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1228597054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_oo < 1228597056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__oo < 1228597058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1228597063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1228597068 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1228597074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot the rules!
< 1228597076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228597082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 34 bitch < 1228597099 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the game of life would be if 2D automatons used the Wolfram numbering < 1228597105 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful < 1228597106 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228597130 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's probably a shitload of numbers < 1228597139 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the game of life is isotropic < 1228597149 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus every color inversion < 1228597185 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no still life. < 1228597188 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.# < 1228597190 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.# < 1228597191 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.#.# < 1228597193 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..#.# < 1228597195 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...#.# < 1228597197 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....# < 1228597366 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1228597628 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1228597762 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1228597918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: yeah that works, i wasn't really thinking < 1228597956 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should all collaborate on a program. :P < 1228597964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: hmm, how can you start a sidetrack from that? < 1228597982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can't draw stuff having just that < 1228597995 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to draw stuff? < 1228598577 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1228598600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: say i do. < 1228598604 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1228598610 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put them really close together. < 1228598625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not connected. < 1228598635 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a different fuse. < 1228598642 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe MCell has an example. < 1228598650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really what i was asking for. < 1228598658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kind of obvious i want that < 1228598719 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then get it. < 1228598807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i mean the pattern, not the program < 1228598817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering, i'm not especially interesting < 1228598828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assume you're currently more gol-able than me < 1228598836 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1228598950 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1228598951 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. < 1228598958 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will finish my Snake game in C and play it. < 1228598977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried crossworm < 1228599003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has the worst user interface ever < 1228599009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1228599012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to play solo < 1228599018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a button to kill off player 2 < 1228599021 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1228599027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's only a few seconds before the game starts < 1228599039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it takes about that time to adjust your eyes to see the worm < 1228599046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very annoying < 1228599047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1228599051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi < 1228599076 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kewel, my snake segfaults < 1228599133 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wget http://www.vjn.fi/g/crossworm.pyc
< 1228599161 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Bus Error < 1228599161 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: abort python crossworm.pyc < 1228599162 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but < 1228599167 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot do crosseyes < 1228599167 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-25-213.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1228599168 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::* < 1228599169 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1228599192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noob ; ) < 1228599316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to learn < 1228599321 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes just don't do it < 1228599321 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1228599329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to learn < 1228599342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one selection of colors and Wolfram-like numbering, Life would be rule 47634829485252037513201013286088668282768170057352664824758043712595701137265078991199718623260253982640356387398937188476931618032046341864. < 1228599371 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228599376 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, my snake game works, but about 40534853453745x faster than it should < 1228599379 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one big number! < 1228599405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a 512-bit number; since there are 2^9 possibilities for the 3x3 square. < 1228599425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No longer than a reasonable SHA-512 hash. < 1228599456 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But kinda long for a name! < 1228599465 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 110 rolls off the tongue nicely. < 1228599506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it rule 0x100010001000101170117000100010117011701170117177E177E000100010117011701170117177E177E01170117177E177E177E177E7EE87EE8, too; that's shorter and more repetitive. < 1228599537 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about in ASCII? < 1228599571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you see..? < 1228599590 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really read hexa. < 1228599607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first character is 0x10 < 1228599610 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second byte is a null < 1228599614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1228599614 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is unfortunate < 1228599644 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't null have a cutesy symbol like SOH? < 1228599656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: hex -> ascii conversion is so trivial it's impossible not to be able to do it < 1228599657 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we could all do with a few more control characters in our lives. < 1228599669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule AAAAAAABAAEAAQABARcBFwABAAEBFwEXARcBFxd+F34AAQABARcBFwEXARcXfhd+ARcBFxd+F34Xfhd+fuh+6A== in base64. < 1228599681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's nice < 1228599696 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : What, you know every ASCII chars? < 1228599697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it could have a nickname like "the fuh rule". < 1228599712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1228599716 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you don't Slereah?! < 1228599718 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc-fuh < 1228599718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no < 1228599742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that doesn't mean i can't see 99% of that wasn't letters < 1228599766 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what of the letters? :o < 1228599769 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or symbols? < 1228599782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1228599823 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Using # to mean XOR the next character with 0x40, $ to mean XOR it with 0x80, and % to mean XOR it with 0xC0... < 1228599845 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1228599874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to hexdump -C, which converts all non-printable and >127 too into a dot, it's ".............................~.~.............~.~.....~.~.~.~~.~.". < 1228599889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x7e ~ is just about the only readable thing it has. < 1228599929 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this instead: # toggles XORing with 0x40, $ toggles XORing with 0x80. < 1228599998 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's too boring. < 1228600021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reference, I used the following to generate the bitstring for that number: < 1228600024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e '$rule = ""; for ($val = 511; $val >= 0; $val--) { $bits = unpack("B9", chr($val/2).chr(($val&1)*128)); $self = substr($bits, 4, 1); $neighs = substr($bits, 0, 4).substr($bits, 5, 4); $nlive = $neighs; $nlive =~ s/0//g; $nlive = length($nlive); if ($nlive < 2 || $nlive > 3) { $rule .= "0"; } elsif ($live == 2) { $rule .= $self; } else { $rule .= "1"; } } print $rule, "\n";' < 1228600041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ugliness of it. < 1228600160 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coool < 1228600162 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My snake works < 1228600164 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1228600181 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE SNAKES < 1228600228 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay I take that back it kind of works < 1228600325 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1228600326 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (SNAKE->last->x == 0) n = 39; < 1228600326 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else n = SNAKE->last->x - 1; < 1228600328 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am stupid < 1228600332 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be compressed < 1228600333 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1228600335 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ;_; < 1228600340 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple modulo don't work < 1228600500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = (SNAKE->last->x || 40) - 1 perhaps < 1228600508 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1228600703 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1228600704 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2 < 1228600749 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = (SNAKE->last->x + 39) % 40 < 1228600756 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Ouch. :) < 1228600838 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best snake variant: You grow by one each move. Avoid hitting into yourself. < 1228600993 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy as long as you follow some pattern. < 1228601547 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1228601629 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13 NickServ: penguinofthegods@gmail.com has too many nicknames registered. < 1228601632 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suck my dick freenode. < 1228601695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cybersquatter you < 1228601731 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your nicks? < 1228601776 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Lots. < 1228601860 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently I also have too many nicknames registered. < 1228601895 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1228601906 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Rate my name from 1-10 < 1228601981 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dropped some nicknames; let's see if I can drop now. < 1228601986 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I only rate names ordinally. < 1228601987 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL MEEEEE < 1228601992 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Do that then < 1228601995 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1228602167 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect in the pronunciation category, antiperfect in the starting with a capital letter category, not as good as "Slereah" but better than "fizzie" in the containing an A, O or U (preferably A or O) category... < 1228602181 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pronunciation/pronounceability/ < 1228602192 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it pronuncibility or something. < 1228602260 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antiperfect in the sonorant consonant category. < 1228602352 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Warrigal < 1228602394 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This nick has been registered. < 1228602461 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Incrediblon < 1228602468 0 :Incrediblon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this one hasn't. < 1228602588 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: I dislike initial-caps nicks. < 1228602596 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a bit hard to pronounce, too many consonants. < 1228602609 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'd rank fizzie > Slereah. < 1228602616 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you forgot the "short and memorable" category. < 1228602620 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'w' and 'x' is unregisterd. < 1228602620 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I excell at with zuff. < 1228602631 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: they're erroneous < 1228602636 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're quakenet servcies < 1228602638 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like q < 1228602646 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't /nick to them < 1228602659 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on q (account jack): < 1228602670 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was years ago, presumably. < 1228602671 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try /nick q < 1228602935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mgrvgrvladje < 1228602944 0 :Mgrvgrvladje!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's complaining about consonants? < 1228602949 0 :Mgrvgrvladje!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1228602996 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: < 1228603031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(supposedly a genuine georgian surname) < 1228603080 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicks should begin with capital letters, A is the best vowel, and non-sonorant consonants should only be used to separate vowels. < 1228603119 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(s=c='',r=64;r;)s+=++c>63?c=r--&&'\n':c'; < 1228603122 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1228603137 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Justify the first point, I disagree. Also the second. < 1228603139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check |/ on everything except capitals < 1228603198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1228603205 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What < 1228603257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my comment on the debate regarding that thing < 1228603295 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capital letters are like standing up. Sitting causes restlessness. < 1228603334 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: But aesthetically, I prefer lowercase for names. < 1228603412 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capital letters make them seem more like actual names and less like usernames. < 1228603427 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you plan on changing your name from Elliott Hird to elliott hird. < 1228603430 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: I am fine with seeming like a username. < 1228603436 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that may be difficult and time-consuming. < 1228603441 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my name is not aesthetically pleasing anyway. < 1228603454 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I decide I like the name zuff, I would probably have no qualm changing my name to it IRL. < 1228603511 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess zuff sounds like getting scratched behind the ear. < 1228603512 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: So I think you're wrong. < 1228603515 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only if you're a dog. < 1228603518 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lol. < 1228603524 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But srsly, why is a the best consonant? < 1228603526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is Zuff. Dr., er, what first name goes well with Zuff? < 1228603543 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say Frank, but I'm not so sure. < 1228603559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should invent a device; then it could be called Zuff's Device. < 1228603563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something suitably mad-sounding of course < 1228603567 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1228603571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viktor Zuff perhaps < 1228603572 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem is that it has no solid consonant. < 1228603588 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the z is weedy, the ff is awkward, kind of bu-ff-ery < 1228603599 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the vowel is basically lost < 1228603605 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1228603607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z should be pronounced ts, of course < 1228603613 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1228603629 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need some solid consonants to keep the other consonants from drifting off to nowhere. < 1228603663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuff: Nice C. < 1228603668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if zuff means something in german < 1228603671 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the letter D is nice. It's a voiced stop consonant, and all. < 1228603680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1228603683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not C. < 1228603687 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wat? < 1228603689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there's a User:Zuff on wp < 1228603693 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THat's JS. :P < 1228603696 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I stole it. < 1228603696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1228603700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realised after the fact. < 1228603705 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a four-letter combination; I'm not surprised. < 1228603707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like good obfuscated C, though. < 1228603729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zuff < 1228603748 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: One definition made in 2006 and it's nonsensical. < 1228603768 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B, D and G are the voiced plosives. < 1228603785 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders whether "Warribal", "Warridal", or "Warrigal" is best
< 1228603790 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: I content that Warrigal is a crap name because it starts on a downer with W < 1228603793 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warribal" looks too much like "cannibal". < 1228603803 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the W makes it swing! Or something. < 1228603803 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds awkward with the relatively harsher latter end, and the a following it is hard to munch together < 1228603812 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd aim for improving the start. < 1228603849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/e2node/zuff < 1228603866 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "W" to swing and an "rr" to sing, then you jump off the "g" and land with an "l"! < 1228603896 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you trying to pronounce the "arr", by the way? < 1228603948 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should sound exactly like "horrible", except "w" instead of "h" and "g" instead of "b". < 1228603957 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1228603968 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: That's how I'm saying it. It's awkawrd. < 1228603973 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, the Wa is what ruins it, < 1228603981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Zuff-family-history.ashx < 1228603995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists! or did at one point < 1228604015 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1228604029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a warrigal needs a furry gal < 1228604037 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you pronouncing the "rr" rhotically? < 1228604075 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect you to, as it's followed by a vowel. < 1228604124 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a recording. < 1228604125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can huff and puff, but you can never snuff a zuff < 1228604210 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, fizzie, zuff is derived from your name < 1228604214 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuzz -> zzuf -> zuff < 1228604229 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: http://filebin.ca/xcthqn/foo.aiff < 1228604392 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: . < 1228604412 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a moment. < 1228604455 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that's not you saying "Armageddon" again, is it? < 1228604470 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Err, that's me saying Warrigal. < 1228604472 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several times. < 1228604478 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooops. < 1228604481 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uploaded the wrong fil < 1228604481 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1228604482 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1228604498 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a recording of someone saying "Warrigal" several times would be really scary. < 1228604510 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Er, why? < 1228604543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people accidentally saying "Armageddon" when they mean something else would also be scary < 1228604563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if a lot of people started doing it < 1228604677 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you waiting for me to respond or uploading that file? < 1228604718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you multitasking or mulling the task < 1228604784 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: uploading < 1228604847 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: http://filebin.ca/mhgzgx/warrigal.aiff < 1228604983 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times do you say it? < 1228605023 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those are non-rhotic, though you do have two rhotic ones in there. < 1228605055 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe three. < 1228605159 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, "horrible" is pronounced differently in Britain, isn't it. < 1228605206 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why Americans are so much better than Brits. :-P < 1228605233 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Make a recording of you pronouncing it, then, so I can adjust my vocal cords. :P < 1228605233 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see about recording me saying it. < 1228605298 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to move your lips closer together, and your teeth. < 1228605336 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I just remembered that the official pronunciation of my name is actually completely different. < 1228605350 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll dismiss that as a joke. < 1228605453 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll do more or less what you did. < 1228605618 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try http://filebin.ca/bkqth/Warrigal-US.wma < 1228605777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she didn't die \o/ < 1228605828 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://filebin.ca/bkqth/Warrigal-US.wma, she doesn't die at the end. < 1228605836 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing zuff is finding a way to play .wma files. < 1228605844 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: why wma? :{ < 1228605859 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I hate you. < 1228605861 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1228605866 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try again. < 1228605869 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. :D < 1228605876 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can play .wmas < 1228605878 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hate you < 1228605879 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1228605895 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: WAHGL WAHGL WAHGL WAHGL WAHGL < 1228606052 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've heard it? < 1228606063 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1228606113 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you like those pronunciations? < 1228606124 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wahgl. < 1228606211 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both supposed to be three-syllable pronunciations. "Wahgl" is only two. < 1228606220 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's waaaaaaaaaahgl < 1228606224 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'll admit the second pronunciation could have turned out better. < 1228606234 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be wah-uh-gl. < 1228606343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vehicle < 1228606459 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pronounce Warrigal wah-huh-gl, I will... decrease your Credit. :-P < 1228606551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all < 1228606569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it "very cool" < 1228606605 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a non-native speaker pronouncing it that way. < 1228606633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrr-ptang-q'ool < 1228606898 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahjjjjjjjjjj laggggggggg < 1228606905 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid "50 programs open at once i dont liek" < 1228606909 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN INFINITE PROGRAMS YOU POS < 1228606922 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I have three programs open. < 1228606929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: that's not the case < 1228606942 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I have two windowed applications open. < 1228606973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you don't know yet, i find pretty much nothing more insulting than people telling me things that refer to my english capabilities as non-native. < 1228607001 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's awesome at english btw. < 1228607022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when they're things like "non-native people like you are usually better at grammar" < 1228607031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(than natives) < 1228607083 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean you *actually* pronounce it that way? < 1228607085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course anything that requires you to learn it younger than i currently am will do. < 1228607089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the we are better < 1228607125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: finnishified, i pronounce it [woorig(o-umlaut)l] < 1228607144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't type the phonetic characters for those < 1228607145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orgel orgel orgel < 1228607172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-umlaut is what finnish uses for that vowel english uses in the word "a" < 1228607180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a bit different < 1228607187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're close relatives < 1228607260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters a and ö grew up together on a small farm in Värmland, Sweden, but later moved in opposite directions < 1228607339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ö became a poor fisherman who enjoys the sauna, and occasionally makes operating systems and cell phones for pocket money, while a became a successful businessman who everyone has a hate-love relationship with < 1228607361 0 :zuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol