< 1227744007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: indeed, and its a nonsensical question to ask :)
< 1227744013 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that was more or less settled for me when somebody said we probably perceive colors in the same way.
< 1227744019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's such a -tempting- question to ask
< 1227744026 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's nonsensical, but I think it's not well-defined.
< 1227744027 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a classical philosophical mental experiment
< 1227744028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you'd have to work hard NOT thinking about it :P
< 1227744031 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dennett actually discusses it
< 1227744037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no it is nonsensical actually
< 1227744040 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its quite well defined
< 1227744044 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just nonsensical
< 1227744048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to believe sapif-whorf is false. i mean, if i know some complicated concept, and someone asks me how it works, i'll probably just say "read about it", because it's a big effort to translate anything nontrivial to pretty much any language except predicate logic
< 1227744056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it is - "What if you saw what I see as my blue as what I see as my red?"
< 1227744059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if everyone experienced the idea of "what if everyone saw colours different to me - i'd never know" differently?  we'd never know
< 1227744059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat seems fairly sensical.
< 1227744087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the question is sensical
< 1227744091 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea isn't.
< 1227744093 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: when you think of green, one of the things you think of is plants. Do blind people who don't know that plants are green also think of plants when they think of green?
< 1227744095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why not?
< 1227744111 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I did just make a blatant assumption about your brain.
< 1227744114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: blind people cant think of green, not like we do.
< 1227744136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so blind people cannot imagine colour?
< 1227744139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227744140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they visualize images like you and I?
< 1227744144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227744151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Even if they could see and then went blind?
< 1227744157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They lose their ability to synthesize images in their mind?
< 1227744158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats different
< 1227744158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouuuuuuch.
< 1227744171 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blind synaesthetes (that's the word, isn't it) can imagine color, surely.
< 1227744186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: actually no it depends
< 1227744201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to envision any sort of color you need an operating visual cortex
< 1227744210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, certain subparts of the visual cortex
< 1227744218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can imagine visuals without it but not colours.
< 1227744220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BRAIN MAKES SUCH SENSE
< 1227744222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can get brain damage that makes them color blind
< 1227744243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they see in black and white, as such
< 1227744256 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just lack any hue information in their cognitive representations
< 1227744259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read an article about that
< 1227744262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was weird
< 1227744263 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people can lack brightness information
< 1227744285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so it's as much grayscale as it is blue, red, etc?
< 1227744289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's none of them?
< 1227744292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not a component?
< 1227744297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wonder what it looks like for them.
< 1227744304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like HSB minus the HS
< 1227744306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll never know unless it happens to me...
< 1227744315 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant imagine tho
< 1227744322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the thing about what we're talking about
< 1227744328 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that eyes really operate in RGB + brightness
< 1227744331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why the original question is nonsensical
< 1227744346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the brain so complicated? :\
< 1227744349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744358 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I went blind due to a cataract, would my ability to think visually be completely unaffected, or enhanced, or something else?
< 1227744364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the EXPERIENCE of red is _nothing more than_ the association between some activation patterns in the visual cortex and some activation patterns related to red things
< 1227744371 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: RGB being cones, brightness being rods?
< 1227744382 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR yes
< 1227744385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a purely structural notion
< 1227744410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it means to experience red is nothing more than conjuring up associations with red things
< 1227744415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pretty separate place to see imagined things in
< 1227744420 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have problem with my left eye
< 1227744421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why it makes no sense to ask "what if someone experienced colors differently than me?"
< 1227744422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw...
< 1227744428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can think them in the real world somewhere
< 1227744429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the associations are all the same
< 1227744431 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More interestingly, if I were blind from birth due to something wrong with my eyes, would I still have my visual thinking skills?
< 1227744432 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the nerve
< 1227744438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The visuals you get when closing your eyes and rubbing them a lot.
< 1227744439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no
< 1227744441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain them.
< 1227744444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few patterns...
< 1227744449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm a bit drunk i can sometimes make them prevent me from seeing behing them
< 1227744449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagonally-ridged squares, repeating...
< 1227744455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swirling electricy lightning...
< 1227744456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound sensors of your brain takes over the visual centers
< 1227744458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yellow)
< 1227744463 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: would they be replaced with equivalent tactile thinking skills or something?
< 1227744463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my brain is more controlled when i'm drunk)
< 1227744466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: phosphenes?
< 1227744480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just pressure activating the light sensors in your retina
< 1227744488 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders
< 1227744489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227744490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phosphene_artistic_depiction.gif Not like this...
< 1227744492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far more subtle.
< 1227744497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Right, but
< 1227744498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: your audio-processing abilities get better
< 1227744501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come I have only like
< 1227744504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-5 patterns in it
< 1227744507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they repeat in cycles?
< 1227744516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another pattern is randomly coloured dots flickering about,.
< 1227744525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who knows. it could just be your brains interpretation of the phosphenes
< 1227744535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if you wanna experience something REALLY weird
< 1227744538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this:
< 1227744539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but why :P
< 1227744541 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can imagine feeling a solid of revolution just as well as I can imagine seeing one. I don't think I can imagine hearing one, though.
< 1227744543 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i observe something uncommon
< 1227744547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look all the way to the left as far as you can
< 1227744562 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And touch your eye very gently?
< 1227744571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, with your right hand, press the right most part of your right eye, just next to the right side of your right orbit
< 1227744572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will happen?
< 1227744586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of scared.
< 1227744588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744592 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can my right eye be closed?
< 1227744592 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually see the finger impression
< 1227744594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have neurological problem with my left eye's nerve and sometimes i loose vision in that eye, but it happens in a funny way
< 1227744596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it can wrrie
< 1227744599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie*
< 1227744608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1227744610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it.
< 1227744614 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but the image is in a part of your visual space that you NEVER SEE WITH
< 1227744615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, that's fun. How's that work?
< 1227744615 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, i see everyhing a bit more vivid with my left eye
< 1227744622 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: same as pressing your eyes when closed
< 1227744627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressure activates the photosensors
< 1227744629 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227744633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i loose color depth
< 1227744646 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1227744661 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227744670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres something else you can do
< 1227744671 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227744671 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything looks like in 16 color palette
< 1227744673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close one eye
< 1227744688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227744690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the other eye
< 1227744693 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything is gray and i can see only bright objects
< 1227744704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press gently against your upper or lower eyelid in various places
< 1227744714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imagine in your visual field should shift
< 1227744722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i can see only black&white flickering grain
< 1227744724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: so you're an eye-guy
< 1227744737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just had to get labelled huh?
< 1227744737 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like you've looked in a different direction, but rather like someones put weird lenses over your eyes
< 1227744750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work/
< 1227744761 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in reverse everything backs to normal
< 1227744772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ey what?
< 1227744778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: doesn't work for me
< 1227744784 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do it like i said? :P
< 1227744785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227744786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1227744787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: isn't that just my eye moving around?
< 1227744787 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ brain combines that black&white noise with the vision from the right eye
< 1227744790 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of you have ever been blind in part of your central vision?
< 1227744796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none.
< 1227744798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah
< 1227744798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not me
< 1227744799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744804 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just moving your lense around
< 1227744811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making the image appear in different places on your retina
< 1227744819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well of course it works. but yeah that looks pretty fun
< 1227744831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird part is that the image moves but your eyeball doesnt, so your brain starts going "whoa whoa whoa wtf is all this"
< 1227744847 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's happened to me at least twice, I think, as part of a migraine.
< 1227744859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never had a migrane. Woo.
< 1227744863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also interesting, but far more complicated: if you wear glasses that invert your field of vision
< 1227744880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invert your field of vision?!?
< 1227744883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially you will be disoriented and itll be hard to interact with the world
< 1227744889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1227744890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so that the ground is "up"
< 1227744897 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a week or so, youll operate normally
< 1227744902 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1227744904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1227744908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: really?
< 1227744911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work
< 1227744916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of interesting, covering visual stimuli with the blind spots and seeing how your brain fills it in.
< 1227744918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only will your operate normally, but you wont be able to tell anything is off
< 1227744935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i thought you meant like if someone wears inverting glasses because of some problem with eyes :D
< 1227744940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lol
< 1227744946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227744948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i talked about that here a while ago
< 1227744950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: are you sure?
< 1227744951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it works because your brain just remaps all the associations
< 1227744952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really can't imagine doing that
< 1227744953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure ehird was here
< 1227744958 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horizontally AND vertically inverted
< 1227744959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: its been done actually
< 1227744965 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: any inversion.
< 1227744973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horiontal, vertical, or a rotation, it doesnt matter
< 1227744984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very surprising
< 1227744998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain just remaps the retinal inputs to fit the way it represents space
< 1227745007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, think about it, they're just wires in your brain
< 1227745011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: will you see things "the right way" again?
< 1227745023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. maybe. im not entirely sure.
< 1227745025 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read about someone who was colorblind and also had synaesthesia. He saw yellows instead of reds and greens, but there were also some stimuli that caused perception of red and green.
< 1227745027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, what i'd like to know is whether you can learn to do the transition fast
< 1227745032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, consider this: the image on your retina is ALREADY upside down
< 1227745038 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wires going from the left eye are fucked up and tend to loose bandwith
< 1227745042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you invert vision everytime things start to look normal
< 1227745047 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surprising idea behind it is just that your brain can eventually rewire itself to automatically respond, without having to cognitavely decide, i want to go up, but i need to point down.
< 1227745055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably not
< 1227745057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah I don't get that... so...
< 1227745061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also interesting: when you take the glasses OFF
< 1227745063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is space actually "upside down" to what we see?
< 1227745064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... IRL :P
< 1227745067 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things look upside down to you :)
< 1227745070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no
< 1227745077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that question is also nonsensical :)
< 1227745084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb i have to eat
< 1227745086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm pretty sure you're wrong, have to test that
< 1227745105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys should read some dennett and ramachandran
< 1227745107 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all very interesting
< 1227745109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227745169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw ehird: think of the question more like this:
< 1227745184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rotate an imagine on a graph, and say its upside down
< 1227745205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does it mean to rotate the graph itself? it means nothing.
< 1227745218 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which came first, the braincell or the galaxy?
< 1227745221 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph defines space, so it cant be rotated since rotation is a relation with regard to space
< 1227745229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: world -> lens -> image upside down -> sensor -> invert in brain -> image of the world as it is
< 1227745234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right.
< 1227745247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no "world as it is" in terms of up or down
< 1227745259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is just the topology of space
< 1227745261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disappear now.
< 1227745265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOMORROW: More brain fuckery.
< 1227745267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the brain only cares about the topological relations
< 1227745267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope.
< 1227745268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao ;D
< 1227745296 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the gravity
< 1227745313 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen those side-by photo comparisons between galaxies and braincells?  they are like 2 peas in a pod.
< 1227745324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: it's just happy coincidence
< 1227745358 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. :]
< 1227745363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, IMO
< 1227745363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227745371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, see you all tomorrow
< 1227745379 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye
< 1227745400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a fractal that looked exactly like nebula
< 1227745430 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say that I can no longer think of a mathematical formula (as in those things they teach you individually in math class) that I can't visualize, but then I realize I've never really tried to visualize d(h/l) = (ldh - hdl)/l^2.
< 1227745535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: i haven't seen link
< 1227745553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: stop with the calculus, calculus is borign
< 1227745561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*borign
< 1227745564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*borign
< 1227745565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boring
< 1227745567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227745614 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@97-117-100-121.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227745648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave_: i haven't seen <insert some kinda pausing character> link
< 1227745667 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh?
< 1227745680 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227745687 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227745688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...side-by photo comp...
< 1227745699 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i'll go see if i can track it down, one sec
< 1227745706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1227745710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like googolin
< 1227745712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1227745725 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: like http://www.superliminal.com/fractals/bbrot/island200.500.1000bb.jpg?
< 1227745784 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/neuron-galaxy.jpg
< 1227745854 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: the main similarity is that there are stringy things with clumps along them.
< 1227745864 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227745872 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exarctly
< 1227745909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: OR we're just part of some larger guy's brain?
< 1227745913 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything down to the atomic level has way more gaps between "things" than there are things.
< 1227745914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about THAT
< 1227745920 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: not that one
< 1227745952 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: but quite simmilar
< 1227745958 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think brain particles slowly drift toward other brain particles due to gravity. :-)
< 1227746030 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every object has a gravity field
< 1227746035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no, the interactions are faster. this guy thinks very slowly.
< 1227746045 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our time scale
< 1227746074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, actually we die because our brain collapses into singularity when we grow old.
< 1227746086 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, but intracranial gravity is overwhelmed by electromagnetic noise.
< 1227746104 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1227746174 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders gravity at small scales
< 1227746218 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3AmC9tNDro
< 1227746231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pickover attractor 10 mln vertices 30 FPS
< 1227746234 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that at small scales, in a liquid, gravity is equivalent to the pressure gradient it causes.
< 1227746259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder on what machine
< 1227746413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1227746415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1227746418 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 o'clock
< 1227746423 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1227746448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll just fall asleep immediately
< 1227746452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g night
< 1227746459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227746684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back desu yo
< 1227746687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity?
< 1227746690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at small scales?!
< 1227746691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT DO IT!
< 1227746835 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they fixed the LHC yet? when are they gonna collide me some particles?
< 1227746843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: no.
< 1227746851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to do their first collision early sprinh 09
< 1227746871 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leak was a huge setback
< 1227746876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was.
< 1227746899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the setback is safety checks tho
< 1227746919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if containment fails during a run, thats really bad
< 1227746941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll probably kill someone
< 1227746943 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in attempt to prevent other crazies like that girl who committed suicide cause she thought we were all going to be sucked into its black hole?
< 1227746953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227746962 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in support of people killing themselves if they're that stupid
< 1227746974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully she did this before she had little baby idiots, yes?
< 1227746988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasnt it like.. some indian girl?
< 1227746991 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure
< 1227747006 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, why not just wait until IT kills you, sheesh
< 1227747028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: exactly
< 1227747032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227747034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends
< 1227747044 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously SHE was stupid and didnt think about that
< 1227747072 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbut if she knew why black holes were fucked up, it makes more sense to kill yourself now than be sucked into one
< 1227747083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you understood that much about black holes, you wouldn't be worried about the LHC.
< 1227747089 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think that the transition into a black hole is without effect to the one experiencing it
< 1227747100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're wrong
< 1227747101 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd die
< 1227747104 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very quickly, actually
< 1227747113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the coolest way imaginable. but also the most horrifying.
< 1227747124 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the observer who witnesses the "death"
< 1227747130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227747134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the dier.
< 1227747142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the observer probably never would witness it
< 1227747145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to time dilation
< 1227747151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGrasse_Tyson_Death_by_Black_Hole
< 1227747161 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, just making outlandish assumptions :]
< 1227747172 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in reference to me)
< 1227747182 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're also not familiar with relativity ;)
< 1227747212 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time slows down with greater gravitational effects. so from the outside, someone closer to the black hole moves slower
< 1227747287 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the point of relevance is my conscious, perhaps the matter around me being visually stretched into oblivion to an outside observer is painless?
< 1227747314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd be stretched to oblivion along with it
< 1227747317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch the video :p
< 1227747374 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening now..
< 1227747428 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy, tyson, is like an astrophysics popstar
< 1227747437 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont particularly believe that black holes are as destructive as they are labeled, there is one at the center of every galaxy. :D
< 1227747460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a guest star on stargate recently
< 1227747466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227747466 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a creative force via its "destructive" nature.
< 1227747475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :destructive as they're labeled by COMMON FOLK
< 1227747482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or destructive as labeled by PHYSICISTS?
< 1227747503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the commonfolk think that black holes will just suck anything and everything in to them period end of story
< 1227747512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1227747518 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you said to a normal average person
< 1227747530 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess myself being a simple minded individual, i likely relate to that level of thought
< 1227747530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the sun is going to be compressed into a black hole
< 1227747533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would freak out
< 1227747543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say omg we have to stop it, the earth will get sucked in and we'll all die!
< 1227747557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a physicist would say, omg we have to stop it, the earth will freeze over without the heat from the sun
< 1227747572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the physicist knows that the gravity from the sun-cum-blackhole would be unchanged
< 1227747586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the lay person things that the gravity will all of the sudden because infinitely unstoppable
< 1227747656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why people are worried about black holes at the LHC
< 1227747666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at Brookhaven before that
< 1227747681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think that the moment you create a black whole of ANY size, whoomf, everything gets sucked in
< 1227747798 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.
< 1227747918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i just messaged him on facebook asking him about whether or not naked singularities were blackholes or not
< 1227747938 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227747946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we is friends on facebook. :D
< 1227747975 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. :]  Ive run across one of his videos before, forget what it was about though
< 1227748052 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this asteroid scenario hes talking about is creepy :D
< 1227748064 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227748121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227748130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1227748238 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we got peeps who do this"
< 1227748254 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts on illuminati/skull and bones type brotherhoods?
< 1227748255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peeps... if you're over 30... means people.. forgive me"
< 1227748255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227748258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love NdGT
< 1227748444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can not has sound :<
< 1227748449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must watch tomorrow that.
< 1227748512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been unproductive all week :<
< 1227748636 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here
< 1227748643 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a holiday week
< 1227748672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holidays make really no diff to me
< 1227748688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't go to lectures that regularly
< 1227748701 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either, other than an additional reason for my laziness
< 1227748744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holidays are no excuse not to study
< 1227748752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :study / create
< 1227748768 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true, i just look for excuses
< 1227748769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*procreate
< 1227748790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that's pretty common
< 1227748804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i only said that because i wanted you to tell me you're doing nothing productive either.
< 1227748808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227748866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've recently been pretty scared by the fact i'm probably not the worlds best at everything i'm good at.
< 1227748895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very scary thought
< 1227748903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there's a human being out there that owns me.
< 1227748915 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has nitches of talents, i think its more important to learn how to leverage on eachothers strengths, instead of everyone trying to perform as one man bands
< 1227748957 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that own us are the bankers via our bank account balances
< 1227748978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: no no you got it all wrong, life is all about being the superior individual averaged over relevant talents for some definition of relevant.
< 1227748990 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how easilly willing we are to agree to wildly unfair fees and rates
< 1227749053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: by own i mean pwn
< 1227749070 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes.
< 1227749110 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am innerly accutely aware of my pwndness, but outwardly have to present myself to my boss as one who pwns
< 1227749141 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talent is highly bound to time.
< 1227749180 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but time and effort are ruled by interest and entertainment
< 1227749186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnage inside a small group like a company is trivial, the hard part is being better than all the savants with some kinda mental issues out there.
< 1227749264 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that after death, existing as higher conciousness, we are able to process some crazy statistics on history
< 1227749299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i envisioned something like that as a kid
< 1227749302 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be like a ubergoogle, that you can type:  who got laid by the most chicks with freckles
< 1227749318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227749339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only been laid by a few chicks with freckles :|
< 1227749344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably aid that
< 1227749357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: are you by any chance a girl with freckles?
< 1227749369 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1227749376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn.
< 1227749380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second there i had a great idea
< 1227749382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nm
< 1227749412 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227749418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227749426 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my wireless routers signal is so weak
< 1227749429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were the one that came in today for some other meaning of "esoteric"?
< 1227749433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i notice
< 1227749446 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227749456 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227749462 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.
< 1227749497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pretty good memory for nicks, but it's somewhat vague for new ones.
< 1227749516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a better memory for nicks than real names
< 1227749573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227749578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had like a math course
< 1227749599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where something was told without a clear definition, and then there's a question about it that's trivial, and just requires a formal proof.
< 1227749616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't be formal, because that part wasn't given a formal definition
< 1227749667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least you hadn't read the materials that well, and are pretty sure there wasn't a good definition somewhere!)
< 1227749741 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my level of math was highschool algebra
< 1227749752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate proving trivial things, seems like such a waste to do the manual labor of finding a proof in the language the problem is given in, when my intuitive gadgets are clearly superior
< 1227749888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: mine is that plus some additional calculus, incidetally calculus is so uninteresting i don't really care for knowing it.
< 1227749894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incidentally
< 1227749980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running out of random things to say
< 1227749991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should retry sleeping or program something
< 1227750028 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is calc mainly for like statistical processing?  im not even really aware of all the different types besides geometry
< 1227750080 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like ways of finding out levels of force needed to push a block over another block, an junk?
< 1227750083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually analysis, which afaiu is a superset of calculus; basically about infinite continuous things.
< 1227750105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what it's for is not a well-formed question
< 1227750112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of concepts
< 1227750120 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227750149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea about applications for physics
< 1227750173 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complexity of all potentials baffles my mind sometimes to the point where it feels almost pointless because of all the points.
< 1227750177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could probably do quite well with intuition, but i don't actually know anything.
< 1227750196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all potentials"?
< 1227750213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice use of "point" there
< 1227750260 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, like needing to juggle too many balls i guess rather, i need to fine tune my target items for attention, i feel too scattered sometimes that i dont take care of anything instead.
< 1227750298 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chat on IRC all day instead of working :D
< 1227750300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to subjects having too much content to be learnable, or wha
< 1227750336 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um just abstractly as always, more really about my lifes responsibilities, like taxes, and insurance and rent, and projects, and etc.
< 1227750374 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really there isnt all THAT much, its just laying them out on a scale, and only observing one at a time, instead of being overwhelmed
< 1227750416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxes, insurance and rent take, taken together, about -0.00% of your time.
< 1227750438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(negative sign and the floating point representation for emphasis)
< 1227750461 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tendency to let things slide because there is too much to do, where instead, regardless of what item i pick up, picking up something is infinitely more productive.
< 1227750485 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beast feeds on negligence
< 1227750488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true
< 1227750513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do is i don't give a shit if things get done, i just take a random thing and start doing it.
< 1227750536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course only refers to studying and other mental exercise, or some kinda project for the fun of it.
< 1227750540 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :captialism counts on the public's laziness, to bind them into the "punishing" contract
< 1227750548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life doesn't really contain much of that real stuff
< 1227750559 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is my life.
< 1227750588 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im finding it to be more critical to resolve my past neglects before the axe comes down. :]
< 1227750632 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in itself feels pointless, because money is so arbitrary, like this whole bailout fiasco, why do they get bailed out for designing such a self defeating model of commerce?
< 1227750632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about the past/future
< 1227750665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: hard to say, i don't watch pokemon
< 1227750727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, money isn't really something one needs to work for, i mean, the amount of money you get from one month of working will pretty much pay for a whole year.
< 1227750733 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that there are some deep rooted secret brotherhood methodologies of fear and control of the ignorant
< 1227750811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used by whom?
< 1227750816 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money is only a frustration in my life, the girl i married burns it, and i am left with the shame of not having enough to pay to my owners
< 1227750836 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the men behind the curtains.
< 1227750909 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like a movie director or whatever, they are not the puppets speaking the eloquent lines of verse to the public, they are calling some carefully planned moves in the chess match of world power,
< 1227750911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty ignorant, and i'm sure as hell controlled by no one.
< 1227750936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being able to pay is not a shame if you have a reason you yourself deem good enough.
< 1227751031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applies for anything really, no need to feel something if it's not useful.
< 1227751046 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling the masses through Gold, Oil, and Drugs, you don't have to imprison the people in physical walls.
< 1227751060 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in G.O.D. we trust
< 1227751069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what "controlling the masses" means.
< 1227751083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's clever, probably a well-known backronym?
< 1227751129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i don't think i'd be "controlled" in any way were i incarcerated.
< 1227751147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that would make my life more free, right now i'm controlled by my loose network of friends.
< 1227751190 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control over the wallet, stomach, and mind?
< 1227751201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't control mind
< 1227751207 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion is control of the mind
< 1227751220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling wallet and stomach is only control if you care about those
< 1227751221 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone is trapped in that, but MANY i know are. :]
< 1227751222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1227751235 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1227751246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but religious people are idiots, in my eyes they are an artifact of the past.
< 1227751283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while i do care about how much money i have, if i felt i had little money, i would stop caring. just like i like moving around, but if i lost my legs i'd just do more thinking.
< 1227751293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately it's only the mind that is needed for happiness.
< 1227751315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure i could do without any IO :o
< 1227751327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm not perfect in that way
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< 1227751335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah
< 1227751337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you?
< 1227751404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were more channels i could rant on.
< 1227751421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just have finnish chans where i wouldn't get kb'd, and those are asleep :|
< 1227751785 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got a headache and really need to close this laptop.  it was a pleasure chatting with you fellas though
< 1227751789 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be back.
< 1227751793 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night
< 1227751911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nights.
< 1227751963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll even see a short conversation about esolangs if you hang around long enough.
< 1227751971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'll try sleeping too ->
< 1227752029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-
< 1227752031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which
< 1227752041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an epiphany about noprob
< 1227752044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut! :DD
< 1227752049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1227752060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed probability variables, because they made no sense.
< 1227752072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, all variables have a "probability"
< 1227752097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "the portion of models for the 3sat instance where that variable is true"
< 1227752113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, and only this can be used for conditional things
< 1227752127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, when you add new clauses, all probabilities change
< 1227752155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i could just have prolog's cut, or a similar thing, doesn't really fit the paradigm, but it's very practical, and prology :P
< 1227752191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really all it needs to do it fix probabilities.
< 1227752250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will get pretty complicated if you use those variables in further clauses, because other variables will have their probabilities calculated on the probabilities of the fixed variables, instead of the assumed 50% chance for (as yet) undefined variables
< 1227752298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not making any sense, but i'm pretty sure i have something that works right here, so maybe you'll be seeing specs in like five years from now? may be a bit optimistic
< 1227752300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1227752307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, hopefully no ideas this time ->
< 1227752378 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227752429 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. I just went to the web site of the Triple Nine Society. It said this: "Hey, come and join us! We have smart people, and you're smart enough to join! Oh, wait, you're not 18 or older? Go away."
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< 1227753042 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227753358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227753361 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a peculiar tea
< 1227753409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it made from tree bark?
< 1227753421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227753424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called russian caravan
< 1227753436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its smokey
< 1227753447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. smoked sausages
< 1227753556 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joke that its called "russian caravan" because they get it from the back Evgeny's town-and-country
< 1227753939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227755101 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1227756879 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayyPzuHGNU
< 1227758255 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227758405 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_
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< 1227759284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227759984 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227760068 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227760071 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh off the press http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JayCampbell/smatiny.rb
< 1227760098 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227760260 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227760614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS can pwd 8-D
< 1227760756 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1227760761 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest testament to ubuntu
< 1227760778 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ive installed it on my grandparents computer and they've been using it for 5 months now without any issues.
< 1227760869 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive
< 1227760911 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227761368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# /hello
< 1227761368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1227761402 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :observation: natural language is the programming language of the human mind
< 1227761410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks a lot like intercal
< 1227761654 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227761730 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227761915 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an observation.
< 1227761919 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a postulation.
< 1227762073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well
< 1227762116 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so's your face.
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< 1227763337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to help me make an AJAX filesystem for JSMIPS?
< 1227764383 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227765398 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajax to where
< 1227765433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$YOUR_FAVORITE_WEB_SERVER
< 1227765474 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help on the server end
< 1227765489 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want maybe php for ubiquity
< 1227765534 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227765535 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe permission metadata stored in a yaml dotfile
< 1227765566 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or JSON'd outside the served document root
< 1227766021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No permission data necessary.
< 1227766028 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want an entire directory to be readable.
< 1227766030 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No write)
< 1227766221 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh then you don't need a server end
< 1227766300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY?
< 1227766309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought AJAX couldn't read binaries.
< 1227766453 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuencode it
< 1227766474 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you know the filenames beforehand?
< 1227766496 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be hard to parse directory listing output from joe random web server (if indexes are even turned on)
< 1227766521 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd want a php, or a file-of-files, or hardcoded paths
< 1227766567 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227766846 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why gopher is a better choice!
< 1227767106 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"."
< 1227767753 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227768636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227768646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo
< 1227772799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227772800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227774745 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
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< 1227777843 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227778669 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1227780462 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227780617 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1227781556 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227781937 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227782276 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1227785784 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227790661 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227790828 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;9
< 1227791358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1227792261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want a nextcube and a bebox.
< 1227792264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1227792302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsolete, awesome technology is... um, awesome.
< 1227792385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i could run the original WorldWideWeb app.
< 1227792390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a nextcube,.
< 1227792404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need a slick black and white crt for the true experience, though :-P
< 1227794162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1227794196 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always liked those green phosphor displays
< 1227794208 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or those simple, orange lcds
< 1227794345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the only pretty CRT i've ever seen = next to a nextube
< 1227794354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Premier_serveur_Web.jpeg
< 1227794652 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that machine?
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< 1227795211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: a NeXTcube
< 1227795221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which the first browser was first coded
< 1227795230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the company steve jobs made when he was fired from apple
< 1227795248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern os x is based on NeXTStep with a kinky love affair of other unixes and older macs
< 1227795254 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227795264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comp in that machine is the first web server
< 1227795277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTstation.jpg 'nother one
< 1227795287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTSTEP_desktop.jpg nextstep
< 1227795594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like blackbox
< 1227795617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WM?
< 1227795623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates blackbox, iirc
< 1227795630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 80s - early 90s
< 1227795633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1227795636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does kind of look similar
< 1227795704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS is also awesome and defunct... it's like the amiga, except modern and better... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BeOS_Desktop.png ... and the bebox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeBox
< 1227795707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame they went defunct
< 1227795712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their browser's errors were haiku :-)
< 1227795809 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227795816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS has cool API
< 1227795867 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we were trying to write distributed RTOS we almost copied BeOS API
< 1227795902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the best computer is the smalltalk-based computer i will one day [not] make ;)
< 1227795910 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227795964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk based computer? :D
< 1227796002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look like?
< 1227796019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: like a computer, i guess :) Smalltalk is basically an OS...
< 1227796032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't work well as the only one, obviously, because it's not used for that
< 1227796039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it wouldn't be especially hard
< 1227796041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be nice
< 1227796568 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mean a CPU specially built for smalltalk as a smalltalk computer?
< 1227796573 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a smalltalk OS
< 1227796576 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for PC
< 1227796576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both
< 1227796586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine built for smalltalk running a specially-crafted smalltalk OS
< 1227796592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome.
< 1227796618 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA and set to work :D
< 1227796636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it was awesome until you talked about work
< 1227796637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1227797027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this whole smalltalk about?
< 1227797030 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work?
< 1227797951 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, running haiku in qemu
< 1227798590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: smalltalk invented quite a few things and perfected others.
< 1227798601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it invented model-view-controller in its original GUI
< 1227798613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it perfected message-sending object orientation, from simula, except way better
< 1227798629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it perfected a blend of simplistic syntax yet easy to read -
< 1227798643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax on a postcard:
< 1227798697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://web.archive.org/web/20080129122256/http://www.esug.org/whyusesmalltalktoteachoop/smalltalksyntaxonapostcard/
< 1227798702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[they reorganized their site :\]]
< 1227798714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also
< 1227798729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just about perfected automatic and manual refactoring, and code editing
< 1227798731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its object browser
< 1227798734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no files
< 1227798740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great, great language and system
< 1227798777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227798779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally
< 1227798786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it invented complete access at almost every leve
< 1227798786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1227798795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can view the source to all methods on Object, add them, change them
< 1227798801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are optimized out, e.g. ifTrue:/ifFalse:
< 1227798805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some have <primitive> in them
< 1227798808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's very few
< 1227798979 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that example is undecipherable
< 1227799005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that example isn't meaningful
< 1227799008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just all the syntax
< 1227799009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227799012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first bit is a comment
< 1227799024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227799029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit obscure because it's not very useful :-P
< 1227799035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, tohugh
< 1227799039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that is -all- the smalltalk syntax
< 1227799043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for special stuff like primitives
< 1227799171 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotfl
< 1227799177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak is developed by Disney
< 1227799428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahhhhh
< 1227799431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be
< 1227799444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an open source thing now
< 1227799453 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227799530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peculiar
< 1227799534 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooks like a toy
< 1227799556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default gui is ugly.
< 1227799559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be improved massively.
< 1227799571 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about smalltalk and it's features
< 1227799586 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that ruby has almost all of them too
< 1227799593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the important ones
< 1227799599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically borrows some of the object model
< 1227799616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not have the complete object garden or  the immensely powerful environment
< 1227799622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, indeed, a lot of the elegance
< 1227799626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ruby is a lot more "normal"
< 1227799657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ruby. but it can't  touch smalltalk
< 1227799815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee
< 1227799842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern smalltalk is a bit of a walled garden, but it's ok
< 1227799854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can access the network and the filesystem, maybe even hook up to devices
< 1227799858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there you can basically import stuff in
< 1227799877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm deciding what the best way is to get smalltalk to call a block on incoming mail
< 1227799886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly something with comsatd
< 1227800043 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is smalltalk needed in the industry?
< 1227800095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? it is used quite a lot by companies, esp. in the financial industry for some reaosn
< 1227800097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reason
< 1227800102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's resurging in popularity a bit
< 1227800112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit thanks to the seaside continuation web framework - http://seaside.st
< 1227800181 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227800672 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leeks very web2.0-ish
< 1227800698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1227800705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the site does
< 1227800737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically came from deliberately doing the opposite of everyone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_(software)#Philosophy_of_Seaside
< 1227800820 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227800909 0 :espernet!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227800944 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not MVC?
< 1227800996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE.
< 1227800998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227801000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capslock
< 1227801001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227801217 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPSLOCK IS CRUISECONTROL FOR COOL
< 1227801945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRUISECONTROL?
< 1227802195 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KROOZKONTROL
< 1227802724 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227804562 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227804575 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Orc manual has BNF syntax.
< 1227804580 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liek it
< 1227804621 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String: "orc", "ceci n'est pas une |"
< 1227804623 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1227805010 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS has ls 8-D
< 1227805025 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, 'ls' isn't the most impressive of utilities ...
< 1227805026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT STILL
< 1227805107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next step: bash. Then ... THE WORLD
< 1227805150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, even that really smelly country?
< 1227805200 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psssst ... this is where you're supposed to say "You know the one I mean."
< 1227805231 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if I was a nerd quoting Futurama!
< 1227805235 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... I guess I am
< 1227805328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: link
< 1227805346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not uploaded yet X-P
< 1227805347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everyone else: http://codu.org/jsmips//
< 1227805360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey GregorR, does it run plan9 yet????
< 1227805373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS IS AN OS IT DOES NOT RUN OSES *slap*
< 1227805383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR it is not a good os it needs plan 9 power.
< 1227805395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does backspace work yet
< 1227805402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1227805406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ctrl-h
< 1227805407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ANYTHING
< 1227805430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forkbombs his browser.
< 1227805435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1227805436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it halts.
< 1227805454 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a halting problem
< 1227805493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S face.
< 1227805514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S MOM'S face.
< 1227805529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your DAD'S face.
< 1227805539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S MOM'S MOM'S face.
< 1227805546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your DAD'S MOM'S DAD'S face.
< 1227805564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's mom's dad is dead D'8
< 1227805566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs*
< 1227805574 0 :espernet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227805587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1227805614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well played.
< 1227805617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805642 0 :trave!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227805677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heylo trave
< 1227805694 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ther :]
< 1227806740 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird i don't know
< 1227806747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that in ##nomic.
< 1227806749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, darn.
< 1227806760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227806942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, nice work on jsmips, yes I know it isn't an emulator, but an OS emulator rather
< 1227806958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in emulating a linux(?) system on MIPS
< 1227806970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an emulator :P
< 1227806985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's emulating the MIPS chip, just not a full MIPS system.
< 1227806987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so the goal is to to run any linux binaries for MIPS?
< 1227806992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227806995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1227807001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just vaguely UNIXish programs compiled for JSMIPS.
< 1227807019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh not real mips binaries?
< 1227807027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real MIPS binaries for a fake MIPS system.
< 1227807029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is the compiler you use?
< 1227807033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227807041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC
< 1227807059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: nice monologue
< 1227807062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what about porting wget to it?
< 1227807071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is network stack too hard in js?
< 1227807085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true network stack would be impossible.
< 1227807090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1227807093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seeing as that JS can't network)
< 1227807098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on making an ajax.h
< 1227807102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227807105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227807113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ts about the best I can do network-wise.
< 1227807116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, can't you run javascript free standing?
< 1227807118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networked apps really aren't my goal :P
< 1227807120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside a browser
< 1227807124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you can do proper network stacks
< 1227807131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there is some such thing
< 1227807132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it ajax to a proxy php script
< 1227807134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't know if such implementations have (compatible) network stacks.
< 1227807136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does proper tcp/ucp
< 1227807138 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Blech :P
< 1227807140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uuencode stuff either way
< 1227807142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjscmd?
< 1227807144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah but
< 1227807146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run irssi
< 1227807148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firefox
< 1227807150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227807150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1227807152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it.
< 1227807155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to use konqueror
< 1227807167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I'll be running Firefox in JS any day now :P
< 1227807170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, also what did ehird said? he is on ignore
< 1227807186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're on his /ignore too, enjoy this disjunct discourse.
< 1227807187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YES YOU WILL
< 1227807193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1227807204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is a fat stinky poo poo who cannot see this
< 1227807208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ 1337 h4x0r skillz
< 1227807215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what do you mean, cheesecake?
< 1227807215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so what was the issue then?
< 1227807244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which issue?
< 1227807268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made you say "blech"
< 1227807302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I can't run ls...
< 1227807314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried at http://codu.org/jsmips/sh.html
< 1227807330 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I haven't pushed my most recent changes, they're a bit ... complicated and far-reaching :P
< 1227807336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227807345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is wrong with making that public?
< 1227807388 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nothing, it'll just take me a few minutes and I'm lazy ;)
< 1227807402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1227807405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when it is done
< 1227807985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/system.html
< 1227807990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with 100% more ls 8-D
< 1227808150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, the long load time when you first load up the page and when you firs type 'ls' is the AJAX more than the actual software)
< 1227808228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsupported syscall 59
< 1227808231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 4204784!
< 1227808244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: totally rad.
< 1227808246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do to get that?
< 1227808269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressed "start mips".
< 1227808277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be working now.
< 1227808284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some unimplemented syscall stuff.
< 1227808289 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore those ;)
< 1227808298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1227808299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cat.
< 1227808329 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                  
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS stopped
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< 1227808338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Wow, "bin/sh" works.
< 1227808339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227808340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1227808341 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thanks.
< 1227808343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nests
< 1227808353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, copy paste failed
< 1227808353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: DATS RITE BITCH
< 1227808358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, not my fault, rather that of the page
< 1227808359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT GOES ON 4 EVA
< 1227808365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't copy paste the output
< 1227808367 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, I'm forced to keep focus on an invisible input element ...
< 1227808383 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can get it by clicking on the text box "full-line input for ..."
< 1227808384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway I get a unimplemented syscall and then mips exited
< 1227808398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I press start
< 1227808400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Browser?
< 1227808408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, firefox 2.something
< 1227808421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, copy the output using the trick I just said :P
< 1227808427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported syscall 59 at 4204784
< 1227808427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS exit
< 1227808428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1227808446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens every time
< 1227808456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just a script reloading issue?
< 1227808469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean cache?
< 1227808471 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be ... ctrl+shift+r
< 1227808472 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227808472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227808475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unimplemented syscall: sigaltstack
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigaltstack(2) failed with: Not supported
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unimplemented syscall: tcgetattr
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1227808509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/server/dir.php im in ur code, looking at yer code
< 1227808522 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You realize that JS code is generated, right?
< 1227808525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227808527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, backspace is broken
< 1227808533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm well aware :P
< 1227808543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/server/dir.php?f=./bin/sh
< 1227808547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is dir.php btw?
< 1227808549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAHQ
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< 1227808574 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It allows access via AJAX to the JSMIPS filesystem.
< 1227808581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ah
< 1227808587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you implement rm?
< 1227808595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ls shows dir.php
< 1227808600 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, that was quick
< 1227808613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: Only because I used the simplest solution possible :P
< 1227808629 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Even when I implement rm, you won't be able to remove things from the server :P
< 1227808649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, odd set doesn't list PATH=/bin
< 1227808656 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-64-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227808661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, :P
< 1227808687 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227808697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what sh is this?
< 1227808710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't accept export FOO=bar
< 1227808713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants:
< 1227808715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOO=bar
< 1227808718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :export FOO
< 1227808731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen a sh like that for long
< 1227808731 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heirloom sh
< 1227808739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227808745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quite explains it
< 1227808755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808760 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to compile on wonko systems ;)
< 1227808776 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made bash compile but it doesn't run >_O
< 1227808778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I hope this will become POSIX.1-2008 certified some day ;)
< 1227808782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227808785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the laughs yeah
< 1227808805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, why is there no libc btw?
< 1227808809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is everything static?
< 1227808813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is static.
< 1227808817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227808823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to write a DYNAMIC ELF loader in JS :P
< 1227808828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, is the server side source of it public?
< 1227808833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227808837 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the hg repo
< 1227808843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool where is that repo?
< 1227808856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/jsmips/hg/
< 1227808865 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a data point, this is firefox on XP running system.html:
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird # ehird
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J>Murphy # J
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J # Murphy
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird>J>Murphy # Teucer
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy # Codae
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble>J>Murphy # Wooble
< 1227808870 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J>Murphy>Wooble # 0x44
< 1227808872 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird>J>Murphy # ais523
< 1227808874 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1227808886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: This is why middle-button pasting is retarded.
< 1227808887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1227808904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: middle mouse pasting rocks
< 1227808905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it
< 1227808922 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's because jsmips won't let me copy
< 1227808924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes ehird would hate it (he isn't on ignore atm)
< 1227808929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, ah same issue
< 1227808935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see GregorR suggestion
< 1227808941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: That's needed.
< 1227808948 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody has a solution, that'd rock. I don't have one though :(
< 1227808955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's not really possible
< 1227808959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coded that fancy input
< 1227808962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooo
< 1227808962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1227808970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that :P
< 1227808977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it sucks, AnMaster, btw
< 1227808978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it
< 1227808978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227808984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously my bad influence
< 1227808987 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system.html in firefox on XP: http://shup.com/Shup/86338/screencap-Mozilla-Firefox-108102710221.png
< 1227808992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate COPYING AND PASTING
< 1227808993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type it out like a REAL MAN
< 1227809002 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227809003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: yeah and? :P
< 1227809019 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a datapoint for debugging, stfu
< 1227809037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging what
< 1227809041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's expected output.
< 1227809048 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227809050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we all get
< 1227809057 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty then
< 1227809090 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227809102 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine has a SCREENSHOT
< 1227809108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've got a solution 8-D
< 1227809113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To the input thing)
< 1227809128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh?
< 1227809129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what is it?
< 1227809131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell you why it doesn't work
< 1227809140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made it focus when you click on the <div>
< 1227809146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it certainly seems to work :P
< 1227809149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a boring solution.
< 1227809149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but
< 1227809160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about clicking a button
< 1227809164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to type right after
< 1227809170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better solution: unfocus when you click on blank spac
< 1227809170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1227809173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All three buttons cause it to refocus.
< 1227809179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227809196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now GregorR
< 1227809200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to implement backspace?
< 1227809201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cursor positioning.
< 1227809222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227809223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you
< 1227809227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227809228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227809236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i just copied the screen easily
< 1227809239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select screen, edit->copy
< 1227809247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i doubt AnMaster has any menus
< 1227809253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being h a r d c o r e
< 1227809420 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227809656 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227809758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I gave ehird a chance off the ignore and he just insulted again
< 1227809760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1227810976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMwO9PX4_7c
< 1227811197 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811345 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811463 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811545 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, smatiny.rb runs
< 1227811560 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite calling it smanity most of the way through development
< 1227811564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1227811661 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just multiplied the number of binaries by ~a gagillion
< 1227811691 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is a gagilion?
< 1227811699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1227811708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely:
< 1227811712 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh compiling, ur doin it rong
< 1227811721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like...
< 1227811726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1227811726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two
< 1227811728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227811729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 increase
< 1227811730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227811738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53 :P
< 1227811753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gagillion = 53
< 1227811753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely.
< 1227811758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1227811774 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the multiple of binaries :P
< 1227811836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this we deduce gag = log 53 / log 1000 - 1
< 1227811853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(american style)
< 1227811863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gag is therefore ~= 0.86
< 1227811875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i messed that up
< 1227811884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did
< 1227811890 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA
< 1227811895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.425241376799737
< 1227811902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's mind breaks
< 1227811952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a parsing error :D
< 1227811965 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat doesn't work :P
< 1227811986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: feed it
< 1227811989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cats never work
< 1227811997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only play
< 1227812000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WE ARE SO CLEVER WE CAME UP WITH THE SAME JOKE
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# factor 24
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch!
< 1227812010 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's just not right.
< 1227812019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is
< 1227812019 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: "Ouch!" is from the factor program, not me :P )
< 1227812022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed 0 is not a factor of 24
< 1227812028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the reverse is true
< 1227812030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe jsmips lives in an alternate universe
< 1227812033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 0 is a factor of 24
< 1227812036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is the number Ouch!
< 1227812059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR:
< 1227812061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls bin
< 1227812062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of memory
< 1227812075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware.
< 1227812075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'
< 1227812076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1227812081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why that's happening.
< 1227812090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge bin?
< 1227812103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that huge :P
< 1227812104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50-something binaries
< 1227812105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not huge
< 1227812108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... huge for javascript
< 1227812108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227812111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo * works
< 1227812127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's scrooge's money bin
< 1227814302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hello
< 1227814319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1227814334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg
< 1227815362 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815363 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815364 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815439 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1227815476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227815476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that already
< 1227815483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your script to handle netsplits
< 1227815530 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227815595 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227816273 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227816813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who were you talking to?
< 1227817094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how many people here do you have on ignore? :-P
< 1227817109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one currently
< 1227817118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how many people could it be?
< 1227817125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait two
< 1227817127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes two
< 1227817138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psyg nisfive and ehi rd
< 1227817145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space to avoid highlight
< 1227817152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no bastard like eh ird
< 1227817159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are
< 1227817162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of you
< 1227817163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so yes it could be one of them
< 1227817176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm only doing it because he keeps insulting me
< 1227817193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only started the permanent ignore today
< 1227817211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the former?
< 1227817225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, former ignoree?
< 1227817230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psy...?
< 1227817250 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227817265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he went way way off topic in a bad way a bit ago, I may unignore next week
< 1227817309 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227817452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is technically a bastard!
< 1227817477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1227817496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. that's pretty common
< 1227817516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I didn't mean it in that sense
< 1227817524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather the other meaning it has today
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of bastard on the Web:
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * asshole: insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents
< 1227817549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see which one is first
< 1227817651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh i've never heard that before
< 1227817669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, really? how strange
< 1227817681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and I was using it in the first sense
< 1227817684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the second
< 1227817712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically we all got exactly one asshole too :P
< 1227817751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere, there's some freak with two, i just know it
< 1227817756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all just one big asshole if you ask me.
< 1227817775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably worshipped as a god in india, they do such things
< 1227817785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not that strange, it's pretty common not to know that meaning.
< 1227817795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's just ignorant
< 1227817801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is so pissed.
< 1227817816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:21:05 <AnMaster> iirc he went way way off topic in a bad way a bit ago, I may unignore next week
< 1227817825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ translation: he made a joke about pedophillia
< 1227817838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, oklopol said he had a 13 year old (iirc) girlfriend at one point, not-jokingly
< 1227817840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ignore was brought
< 1227817851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a pedophile is ok, just don't joke about it :D
< 1227817854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well you said it, i didn't mention sex :)
< 1227817865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tru tru
< 1227817866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he didn't believe me.
< 1227817880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, how could he? pedophiles are physically impossible to exist
< 1227817890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing you can do with them is joke about them and how they don't exist
< 1227817892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just despicable
< 1227817926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i guess i sound too sane to be one? not that i would say i'm a pedophile, but anyway.
< 1227817943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just calling you a pedophile to enhance his perfect point
< 1227817960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true, that was my point too, when i said it.
< 1227817981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shut up, pedophile.
< 1227817984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1227817986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedophillia is ok
< 1227817986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227817989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joking about it isn't
< 1227817991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do maths now.
< 1227817992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got mixed up there
< 1227818122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyway in my defense, she totally looked 15.)
< 1227818123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->)
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< 1227818394 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227818975 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed ls 8-D
< 1227818995 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is to say, fixed sbrk :P )
< 1227819088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls is ... distressingly slow ...
< 1227819108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i don't think you'll ever surpass molasses
< 1227819135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but neither will your FACE.
< 1227819139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru
< 1227819416 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I see why ls is slow.
< 1227819422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stats all the effing files :P
< 1227819428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat = load, load = AJAX, AJAX = time.
< 1227819459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should delay loading until there's a read.
< 1227819486 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: watch out for security holes in sbrk, someone could gain root access...
< 1227819499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root access to a simulated machine :P
< 1227819500 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(j/k)
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< 1227819654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cache
< 1227819654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1227819661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get all the info once
< 1227819665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cache it until it's modified
< 1227819688 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227819695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably "all the info" != the actual file data :P
< 1227819698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227819698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227819769 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227819818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cache the file data too, you _know_ when it's modified, you can cache everything until the file changes
< 1227819857 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file data is the problem ...
< 1227819864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 12MB of files, it takes a while to download.
< 1227819867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to download them.
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< 1227819986 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banner works X-P
< 1227820045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: have two modes
< 1227820047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat mode
< 1227820049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and file mode
< 1227820059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cache file mode
< 1227820061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cache stat mode
< 1227820201 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227820668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how download time is related to caching: I mean, it's not like you'd have to *prefetch* things if you cache them. You can just cache stuff you need to download. (Of course it will eat up some memory.)
< 1227820684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not, I have no idea why ehird is saying what he is :P
< 1227820695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I mean
< 1227820700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting the server all the time just to stat
< 1227820702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dumb
< 1227820703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hit it once
< 1227820705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep that stat
< 1227820707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the file changes
< 1227820721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227820722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I have no idea why you're saying "I don't want to download them" as an argument against caching file data.
< 1227820723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first ls will be slow
< 1227820725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the next ones will be fast
< 1227820726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also
< 1227820728 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hitting the server N times for N files, that's the problem.
< 1227820733 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it already is.
< 1227820735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so make a batch mode
< 1227820738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First ls is slow, the rest are fast.
< 1227820743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227820747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't  download the WHOLE file does it?
< 1227820747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem is that the first ls is REALLY FUCKING SLOW :P
< 1227820749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just stats it?
< 1227820750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1227820757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it downloads the whole file, that's the problem :P
< 1227820762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: So add a &stat=1
< 1227820767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just returns the stat info
< 1227820768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoopid
< 1227820789 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just stating the problem, not that it's difficult to solve.
< 1227820797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time it's taken yout o tell us
< 1227820798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := fix it
< 1227820798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227820814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, I'm gonna go gorge myself with turkey and ham now.
< 1227820815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://profy.us/2008/11/27/openid-gets-political-support-from-barack-obama/
< 1227820815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wat.
< 1227820846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were American...?
< 1227820884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227820885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm british
< 1227820893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt
< 1227820898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P
< 1227820898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's me being american got to do with it
< 1227820899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227820908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In America, today is gorge-yourself-with-turkey day.
< 1227820919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i meant
< 1227820921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://profy.us/2008/11/27/openid-gets-political-support-from-barack-obama/ lol wat
< 1227820926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1227820926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1227820927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1227820931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good :P
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< 1227822398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227822564 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1227823781 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227824505 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
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< 1227828075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, stat() wouldn't need full download
< 1227828084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just need server to extract some info
< 1227829280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive:
< 1227829295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1227829386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i wanna try that upside down thing.
< 1227829393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you use inversing glasses thingy
< 1227829395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a week.
< 1227829398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this sane y/n
< 1227829425 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it'll be unwise to do it.
< 1227829445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why
< 1227829475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Y
< 1227829503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Y Y Y Y Y
< 1227829504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itll be hard to get around the first few days while you adjust
< 1227829516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i don't move all that much most of the time
< 1227829516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be dangerous walking around a city or something without an escort
< 1227829517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooo
< 1227829523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1227829524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i won't walk around a city
< 1227829525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227829526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get injured
< 1227829532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clumsy anyway
< 1227829533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227829533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you need the glasses :p
< 1227829542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well can i have your body when you get killed?
< 1227829544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1227829546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1227829547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227829548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227829550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227829558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227829565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do it sideways so that I get a tall-screen.
< 1227829568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a wide-screen
< 1227829569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227829660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if that'd work :P
< 1227829667 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk coffee and cake
< 1227829687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffeeeeeeee
< 1227829729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah you should try it. i would've tried it years ago if i had the glasses
< 1227829739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually you should try it
< 1227829741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol
< 1227829741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really feel like making something that complicated myself
< 1227829743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have no problems
< 1227829754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i'd probably learn it in a day.
< 1227829755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not
< 1227829768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol
< 1227829769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you woul
< 1227829770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1227829777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1227829779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course
< 1227829782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now sleep time!
< 1227829792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a goooood night nightity nighties
< 1227829794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------>
< 1227829805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227829806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227830337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacl yo