< 1226534419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google throws away _very_ common words for one thing, perhaps it makes this too hard to do < 1226534444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait maybe it doesn't < 1226534478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did before. "the" worked fine now :D < 1226534494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to, at least in some point of data, but that changed. < 1226534516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i tried "the or and" < 1226534526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, information retrieval is a field which has had a huge amount of published papers. < 1226534528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interestingly enough, one link was this: < 1226534541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lib.colostate.edu/tutorials/boolean.html < 1226534595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about "searching efficiently" in the sense of getting good results, not in the sense of implementing the search. < 1226534606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh...why don't i get that page? < 1226534620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also google guide showed up) < 1226534638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you cannot show it? < 1226534652 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't show up in the google results < 1226534658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1226534679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a plain old-fashioned inverted index is the most basic thing used for search-engine-like things. I'm sure there are hueeg improvements to it. < 1226534689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well i have norwegian language setting but i don't really see why that should make you lose it entirely < 1226534707 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's on the second page of results < 1226534726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it was the last link on the first page for me < 1226534737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1226534754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, if you have 10^9 items but the tags A and B appear in 10 items each, it's obviously better to just take the intersection of A's and B's rows (which are sets of 10 elements) of the inverted index, instead of iterating through all the 10^9 elements. < 1226534775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have expected you to get it _higher_ up, since you would have no norwegian hits before it, and it is in english... < 1226534793 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but in reality you have 10^9 items where tags A and B appear 10^6 times < 1226534850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's still only around 10^6 operations to do instead of 10^9. < 1226535127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee google often guesses _wrong_ how many hits there are until you actually look at the last hits page < 1226535162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means it may actually calculate things lazily, doing only the minimal work to create the pages you view < 1226535169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing I remember from the Google example is that their huge-ass index is divided into shards hosted by gazillion servers; so you can do those "search for this bit" and "search for that bit" operations in parallel. < 1226535191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is amazing < 1226535194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know how google does their fast approximations, though, given how it needs to get highly-pageranked results first. < 1226535213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf is mostly about the hardware but also a bit about the software. < 1226535293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you could easily spend an interesting week reading random papers from the few-hundred-item http://research.google.com/pubs/papers.html list. < 1226535324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really asleep now.) < 1226535373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the spellchecker is cool < 1226535397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On average, a single query on Google reads < 1226535397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds of megabytes of data and consumes < 1226535399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens of billions of CPU cycles." < 1226535415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1226535470 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit intarwebs < 1226535475 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, big < 1226535598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1226535601 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1226535779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1226535968 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1226536889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the first version would need to be floppy based for increased pain < 1226536917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1226537965 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB < 1226538093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>+++[.] < 1226538093 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC ... < 1226538097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1226538255 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hulu.com/watch/1404/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-natalie-raps < 1226538263 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natalie portman has a erdos number of 5 < 1226538440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 4 < 1226538467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA < 1226538499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1226538533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/collaborationDistance.html < 1226538642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas there is no separate URL for the result, that i can see < 1226538651 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a novel idea < 1226538661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept of an image transformation < 1226538674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1226538731 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you don't have a finite bacon number < 1226538783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, as i haven't been in any films < 1226538834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the most gorgeous creature to walk the earth ither < 1226538850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1226538874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not with this damn rash < 1226539809 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an Erdos number. < 1226539861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an erdos number. < 1226539871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is OMEGA ZERO < 1226539871 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. What is it? < 1226539872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing! < 1226539874 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1226539906 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an Erdos number of omega + 1. < 1226539910 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I have a Bacon number. < 1226539916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, a finite one. < 1226539918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no it's not, it's undefined < 1226539929 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definition! < 1226539961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, what definition would Erdos use? < 1226539975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have used < 1226539980 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Erdos number is actually the class of all ordinal numbers. < 1226539990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an easy way to have a good erdos number. < 1226539994 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my erdos number is i < 1226540002 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time travel, hook up Erdos' dad with your mom. < 1226540011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam, Erdos number of zero < 1226540026 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interview someone with a low Erdos number. < 1226540052 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you both sign a piece of paper! < 1226540070 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him to help you with your math homework < 1226540139 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's likely that I will never need help with my math homework. < 1226540164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pretend < 1226540196 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if one of my professors has an Erdos number. < 1226540205 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226540211 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of us fall under the "will never need help with math homework" category. < 1226540245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinterpret your math homework in some horribly convoluted way and get a collaborator to make a paper out of it < 1226540246 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones of us who have no math in their education < 1226540267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes close to falling in that category < 1226540288 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having math homework doesn't count, Sgeo. < 1226540292 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do fo' school? < 1226540292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I needed help once < 1226540385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i had to do math homework < 1226540417 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I just remembered that homework in my math class is optional. < 1226540622 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder just how smart we all are. < 1226540662 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dumb :( < 1226540707 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb as in "in the bottom half of the top 30 out of 600"? < 1226540720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am smrt! < 1226540739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO SMART < 1226540739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO SMART < 1226540743 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-M-R-T < 1226540785 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be rude of me to just tell you how smart I am, would it. < 1226540836 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us how smart you are, warrie < 1226540850 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the answer involve pigs and lipstick? < 1226540934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that somehow seems more relevant to bacon numbers than erdos numbers < 1226540983 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on TV once. < 1226540988 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I have a Bacon number. < 1226540991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders how many pigs with lipsticks have bacon numbers < 1226540996 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only being precisely tied with one other person for smartest in my class (about 600 high-schoolers), as best I can tell. < 1226541035 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying that I don't know whether I'm smarter than the other guy or vice versa. < 1226541086 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it give you a boner to be smart < 1226541088 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1226541095 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely. < 1226541099 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt a bit esoteric < 1226541100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226541103 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote an AI < 1226541105 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C < 1226541106 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/4y7yOA86.html < 1226541108 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's well good. < 1226541128 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wonder whether it's a coincidence that he and I both have two brothers and no sisters, and I am disappointed that his brothers are both very smart and mine are not. < 1226541146 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels good man < 1226541166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: WE'RE DOOMED < 1226541188 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226541211 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*KADOOMED < 1226541212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I miss, if anything? < 1226541212 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not self-modifying times a constant, it... is sub-optimal. < 1226541222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brothers were so smart they didn't even get born < 1226541237 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's what happened to all my and his sisters. < 1226541250 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's the last thing you saw? < 1226541264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were born as energy being < 1226541269 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't be too proud. < 1226541270 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed Corun's AI and perhaps other things: http://rafb.net/p/4y7yOA86.html < 1226541272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreaseMonkey (n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey) has joined #esoteric < 1226541276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only smart because of me. < 1226541283 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I DID YOUR MOM < 1226541284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226541285 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AI is awesome. < 1226541291 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'sd your daddy! < 1226541303 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Rarely. < 1226541304 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I felt a bit esoteric < 1226541304 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) < 1226541306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1226541312 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1226541314 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuh < 1226541324 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conversational AI < 1226541330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IT'S SMART DUMBASS < 1226541338 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 71 lines < 1226541357 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to compile it < 1226541357 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 11 threads < 1226541364 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what does it talk about? < 1226541368 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=c99 < 1226541369 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw :-) < 1226541369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it love? < 1226541372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: Whatever you do, don't tell it to make paperclips < 1226541378 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh < 1226541379 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1226541381 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. < 1226541417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't see any wordlists or anything.. < 1226541429 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 lines. < 1226541440 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so smart that it can LEARN TO TALK < 1226541455 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told it not to make paperclips < 1226541461 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it responded with "UU$>'SV,TT''SV,TT'?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1226568525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you fungot < 1226568526 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hit the road, that works only if you ask me. < 1226568718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What works? < 1226568718 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: create function adder(a int(10), b int(10)) returns t < 1226568893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, gcc optimises the main switch block used for the core instructions in cfunge the same way even if I swap the order of the entries at -O2 and higher < 1226568906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at -O1 and -O0 it generates different code < 1226568927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION haven't tried -Os < 1226577576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226578744 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226579265 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1226579368 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226579434 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 . < 1226579990 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226580089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hi < 1226580113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1226580113 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was, obviously, thinking of something completely different. < 1226580119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1226580695 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1226580724 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1226582405 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226582473 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1226582644 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3585e9849c57ad78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226582660 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using konqueror from kde4 ... in twm :S < 1226583325 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1226583495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do you mean predicate logic? you can build sets from within it, so. < 1226583709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make noprob++ at some point, noprob + predicate logic. < 1226583714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be... confusing. < 1226583732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propositional logic is the _easy_ part. it is merely NP-complete, nothing worse. ;D < 1226583754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1226583778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't first order predicate calculus too? < 1226583805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1226583808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it < 1226583812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, at least pspace < 1226583821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean it's not semidecidable! < 1226583857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set theory has the full force of godel incompleteness < 1226583885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,. < 1226583924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall but i think predicate calculus must be undecidable too < 1226583938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i don't know much about this. i just thought resolution was a complete search procedure for first order PC. < 1226583963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1226583966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second-order is, that's for sure. < 1226583985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need induction to get *numbers*... "tc" < 1226584002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as you can clearly see, going by intuition here, so :P < 1226584006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1226584019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and induction needs 2nd order pc, naturally < 1226584023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you encode combinator calculus in predicate calculus? < 1226584034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just equations, after all < 1226584044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it _must_ be undecidable < 1226584057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1226584063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds trueish. < 1226584089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complete search procedure may only find what's provable, after all, not everything needs to be decidable < 1226584095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess you're right, can't stress enough that i don't know absolutely anything. < 1226584117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by completeness i meant it's complete both ways. < 1226584216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all x,y,z : S x y z = x z (y z) and K x y = x < 1226584255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just predicate logic with functions. and functions can be recoded into relations. < 1226584304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that sounds about right < 1226584314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators are so great < 1226584317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was one < 1226584346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you are < 1226584355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Matrix < 1226584382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1226584410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the way pc does functions < 1226584854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1226586030 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226586087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1226586107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, just wondering, how long have you been using gobolinux? < 1226586131 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since yesterday. i fucked up kde because i'm a retard. < 1226586137 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm talking to you via the console about to set it compiling. < 1226586186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226586194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you still like gobolinux? :) < 1226586207 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and i still hate X. < 1226586228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I can see what you mean, but doesn't xorg support auto detection these days? < 1226586263 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, except it fails at getting my scrollwheel to work. < 1226586277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and: no I don't/won't use it, since as you pointed out I prefer the old way < 1226586278 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, technically messing up KDE was my fault, but i'm blaming it on KDE. < 1226586284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be the way you prefer :) < 1226586297 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I hate X, anyway, so KDE might as well get some of the anger. < 1226586303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226586314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did you do to poor KDE? < 1226586339 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a binary package of 4.0.something which is apparently unstable and nobody actually knows where that binary came from, I should have checked up before doing that < 1226586346 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I get Konqueror running in TWM. < 1226586348 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226586348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226586354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 4.1 released? < 1226586356 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1226586361 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm compiling it in 3..2...1 < 1226586378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes 4.0, don't you know where you got it youself? < 1226586381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourself* < 1226586393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, where "you had it" < 1226586394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1226586418 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have checked what KDE version was stable, what binary packages hadn't magically appeared due to faeries, etc. < 1226586435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. Well we all make mistakes from time to time. < 1226586442 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I get to wait for it to compile the whole of KDE! < 1226586444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there no binary packages of 4.1 or whatever is the last one? < 1226586447 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! That certainly won't take hours! < 1226586454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apparently not. I could make one, I guess. < 1226586455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, what are your specs? < 1226586471 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Intel Core 2 Duo @2.17ghz (iirc), 1GB of RAM < 1226586477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest should be wholly irrelevant to compiling :P < 1226586496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling KDE 3.5 here on a 2 GHz Sempron takes around 5 hours in total for kdelibs, kdebase, kdesdk and parts of the other packages < 1226586505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be faster for you < 1226586510 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 hours < 1226586511 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1226586521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well this is a single core sempron < 1226586527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 128 kb L2 cache < 1226586538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet your cpu is quite a bit better < 1226586543 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I have irssi and w3m. I'll be fine. < 1226586548 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do with an IM client, though. < 1226586554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1226586555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is w3m-mode for emacs btw < 1226586558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1226586562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1226586567 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a window manager for xemacs. < 1226586574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, haven't tried it < 1226586583 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, w3m needs to let me set an artificial width for page rendering. < 1226586585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably moving to awesomwm rather than KDE4 < 1226586599 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny fonts + 21" widescreen = awful reading experience. < 1226586605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I can see < 1226586613 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the GoboLinux console font is a bit ugly. < 1226586616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um set dpi in xorg.conf? < 1226586620 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: xorg? < 1226586622 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the console. < 1226586625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1226586628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you saw twm? < 1226586632 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The console is preferable to twm, AnMaster. < 1226586635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaa < 1226586639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can see your point < 1226586652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226586665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :framebuffer console? < 1226586675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes links -g could work okish < 1226586682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a large font iirc < 1226586695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly though < 1226586695 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Framebuffer, I assume, since w3m is rendering images. < 1226586697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that < 1226586700 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have links :p < 1226586716 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not installing it, I don't know if Compile would barf if I run two instances at once. < 1226586719 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dpkg does.) < 1226586726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226586734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1226586742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo Portage handles multiple instances fine < 1226586744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1226586760 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile probably does too, but I'm allowed to be careful when I'm donating hours and hours to compile KDE> < 1226586764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses lock files for when it is merging from the fake install root to the actual real file system) < 1226586770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1226586817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I would be careful too. I certainly was until I found out gentoo handles it just fine < 1226586825 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Linux kernel devs would accept my hypothetical patch to allow proportional fonts on the console. :P < 1226586849 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if they would they might as well accept my other patch, "rm -rf console; ln -s X11 console" < 1226586876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely not. IIRC the "non-graphic" OS X mode (use odd key combo I forgot) is monospace iirc < 1226586900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ever looked at ls output in a non-monospace font? < 1226586907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other ones. < 1226586919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very often the output is very hard to read < 1226586925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's why it'd be optional. < 1226586929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since almost all programs are coded for monospace < 1226586934 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional; w3m; proportional off < 1226586935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a better idea: < 1226586940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add tags to console < 1226586940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226586943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1226586945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better idea: rm -rf console; ln -s X11 console < 1226586949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then < 1226586957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, still, RTC: Rich Text Console < 1226586957 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf X11; ln -s /OSX/Quartz X11 < 1226586964 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Profit < 1226586970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for apple yes < 1226586974 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1226586985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since everyone would need to buy their stuff to get that < 1226587044 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Qt doesn't want to compile. < 1226587048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1226587054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what error? < 1226587058 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come all my linux usage ends up being stereotypical to the max? :-P < 1226587060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be able to help < 1226587067 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It thinks the compiler isn't supported. < 1226587070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I don't have such problems on gentoo < 1226587074 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ://Long/Path/Here/linux-g++ < 1226587081 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm just unlucky < 1226587082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with what message? < 1226587085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Simply that < 1226587092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checking if compiler is GCC"? < 1226587093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Compiler not supported, read the qt readme you moron" < 1226587105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226587105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1226587112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report a bug to gobolinux I guess < 1226587118 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've asked in #gobolinux. < 1226587122 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use a Qt binary pkg. < 1226587133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm what gcc version? < 1226587147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have several installed, is QT using the right one? < 1226587150 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1.2. I'm going to mass-upgrade the distribution overnight; so it's a bit old. < 1226587153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1226587157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1226587173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1.2 isn't that old. < 1226587189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what qt version? < 1226587215 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to install 4.4.x, the binary package is 4.3.x. < 1226587225 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt takes ages to compile, I know this... so I'm leaning to the binary package < 1226587274 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how the UK's national id card scheme is getting along. Freeeeeeedommmmmmmm < 1226587283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes qt 4 is really slow to compile < 1226587346 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW. < 1226587352 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiled Qt is SEVENTY SEVEN MEGABYTES < 1226587368 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226587373 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloat much? < 1226587436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1226587441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stripped? < 1226587446 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1226587452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yes I agree < 1226587476 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloading @ 800KB/sec, though. < 1226587479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is why I'm going to leave KDE after my distro declares 3.5.x as end of life < 1226587493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for awesomewm < 1226587510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably wouldn't like it < 1226587527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://awesome.naquadah.org/ < 1226587539 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allllll done < 1226587544 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know about awesomewm. < 1226587549 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But KDE4 looks really nice. < 1226587552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226587562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to fix everything I didn't like about KDE, although that's probably everything you liked. < 1226587575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I expect you to complain at least twice about how it is just a bad copy of the special effects in OS X ;P < 1226587587 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's Beryl/Compiz/whatever it's called now. < 1226587591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1226587616 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. The binary Qt is too old. < 1226587617 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226587622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1226587658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers patch to w3m to run flash. < 1226587663 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUTUBE ON THE CONSOLE < 1226587714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226587745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how well would you say gobolinux handles dependencies between packages? < 1226587761 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly; I haven't seen any problems so far. < 1226587767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1226587768 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has a list of dependencies/versions and recursively calls itself for them. < 1226587803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have bad experience with for example debian when it comes to that, issues figuring out exactly what version is needed and so on < 1226587829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and portage handles it perfectly too) < 1226587847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226587853 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian do their best shot; it's just a problem because they have such a comprehensive package base < 1226587861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, could be a reason < 1226587871 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226587880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yum sucked when I last tried, it was a few years ago, no idea how it is these days < 1226587884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do you want bleeding edge? < 1226587896 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Debian is too steeped in the past, anyway; RPM/APT are pretty much the worst packaging systems that anyone actually uses today :-P < 1226587900 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Cygwin's package manager. That is awful. < 1226587907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really. < 1226587922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you want really then Arch Linux should be quite interesting for you. For example on Arch Linux GCC 4.3.2 hit stable about 4 days after upstream released it < 1226587925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a program's been out for, say, 5 months, I expect it to be in. < 1226587925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1226587932 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: Up-to-date, but not bleeding-edge alphas. < 1226587938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually kernel takes a week or two < 1226587940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on arch < 1226587978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and not alphas, but I mean fast getting packages into the stable version < 1226587978 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a bit too bleeding-edge for my tastes. < 1226587993 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, a system which is constantly updated to the very bleeding edge would be ... interesting ... < 1226588020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah then you would like the other end of arch linux. libcap is on version 1.10 or so iirc. But all other distros are around 2.11 < 1226588027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a lazy package maintainer < 1226588029 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1226588038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and libcap 1.x is for 2.4 kernels < 1226588044 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macports is pretty good in my experience < 1226588054 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their maintainers keep spontaneously disappearing, though. < 1226588059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm gobolinux is rolling release right= < 1226588061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1226588066 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define? < 1226588072 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, constantly updated < 1226588077 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a snapshot as a release? < 1226588081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in you don't need to wait for a new release to get anything but bugfixes < 1226588085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is < 1226588090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and releases are just snapshots for easy install yeah < 1226588100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that is a MAJOR requirement for me < 1226588102 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other kind of distro is just paranoia < 1226588111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but what if it breaks?" Test it, stupid. < 1226588112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling release are the only maintainable ones < 1226588122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on them upgrading is easy < 1226588125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is so common < 1226588127 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run Ubuntu on eso-std.org, though. < 1226588148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while for example ubuntu and such in my experience tends to be a bit of a pain to upgrade to a new release < 1226588153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'd rather have it certain to be stable and reliably-the-same than be on the cutting edge with it < 1226588157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on a running remote system < 1226588172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i have done remote freebsd upgrades a few times < 1226588184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes rolling release makes it all much simpler < 1226588187 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually run any distro on Slicehost as long as it works with the kernel they have (They give you a list of distros, due to their Xen setup, so they can auto setup them) < 1226588200 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to install it into a chroot, then methodically rip out the current system and put the stuff from the chroot in. < 1226588203 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then reboot and hope it still runs. < 1226588207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux, gentoo linux, and (as you said) gobolinux are all rolling release < 1226588208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1226588217 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not crazy enough to try, though < 1226588221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226588259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of a nice way to do that for hosting only installing certain distros on dedis < 1226588270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask them for specific partitioning scheme < 1226588278 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226588290 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cool thing is, slicehost actually unofficially endorse the crazy method < 1226588291 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1226588293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the person who told me about this asked them to put an 1 GB partition at the end of the disk with debian, and have the rest as home < 1226588302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he reversed it installing gentoo on the big one < 1226588306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have expected them to put huge THIS WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY or sth on it < 1226588311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and converting the last GB to swap < 1226588314 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lol < 1226588325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I wouldn't use gentoo on a server < 1226588330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use FreeBSD < 1226588367 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen doesn't work very well with BSD right now, unfortunately < 1226588370 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no BSDs on slices. < 1226588374 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use DragonflyBSD < 1226588381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226588383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has some neato stuff. < 1226588387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1226588394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1226588397 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Freezing processes to disk, then restarting them from that < 1226588412 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A replacement to "chroot-as-secure-hole", jails < 1226588416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm useful for debugging and for a laptop user < 1226588420 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other stuff. < 1226588423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err freebsd have jails < 1226588428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was freebsd that invented them < 1226588435 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I believe they stole that from dragonfly, actually < 1226588440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1226588441 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, dragonfly has a variation on them < 1226588442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1226588444 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1226588450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know that dragonfly's is different :-P < 1226588470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of the "conventional" BSDs, i'd use netbsd. < 1226588483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DragonFly BSD is a free Unix-like operating system created as a fork of FreeBSD 4.8" < 1226588487 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1226588488 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226588488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226588494 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the lead devs of FreeBSD forked i t. < 1226588529 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc = slow ass-compile. < 1226588530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think freebsd based it on an idea from solaris < 1226588535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure though < 1226588542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find where he read that < 1226588550 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris seems to have all the neat stuff < 1226588554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that trace thing, that xfs thing, etc < 1226588564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The jail(8) utility and jail(2) system call first appeared in FreeBSD 4.0." < 1226588570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that predates 4.8 at least < 1226588634 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226588680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes solaris containers < 1226588709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure which was first < 1226588721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD 4 < 1226588721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0-RELEASE appeared in March 2000 and the last 4-STABLE branch release was 4.11 in January 2005. FreeBSD 4 was a favorite operating system for ISPs and web provider during the first .com bubble, and is widely regarded as one of the most stable and high performance operating systems of the whole Unix lineage. < 1226588722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226588724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1226588734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia claims solaris containers showed up in 2005 < 1226588740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess freebsd was first < 1226588907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a Linux distro a while ago written by a guy who uses it as his main OS; it was the Linux kernel but with a BSD userspace instead of GNU < 1226588911 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar < 1226588919 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked very neat, it was called heretix iirc < 1226588932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I heard of a few similar things before < 1226588944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some just for seeing "is it possible" and some serious < 1226588967 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had an incredibly spaced apart release, iirc from 2000-2008 fit in about 7 lines, one per release. < 1226588981 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So less than 1 release a year, he seemed to just develop it when he ran into issues with it personally. < 1226588995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226589010 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also seemed to be a gap 2003-2005, iirc, with no releases. < 1226589044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=heretix <--? < 1226589070 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't click links. < 1226589072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url for website doesn't work < 1226589073 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Console irssi. :P < 1226589079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gpm? < 1226589084 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, no. < 1226589085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the one. < 1226589106 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sec. < 1226589174 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mastodon.biz < 1226589191 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the newest release is 7 years old < 1226589195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i underestimated < 1226589215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28"? < 1226589217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1226589239 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how he doesn't use ELF or glibc, it's a kind of radical because-I-canism that often leads to good things. < 1226589240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well clearly he is way worse than me when it comes to disliking new technology < 1226589266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really, I've used some of his other software projects... < 1226589270 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just seems very opinionated. < 1226589271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226589283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it say he doesn't use ELF? < 1226589288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does he use instead? < 1226589290 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the part where it says it's completely a.out < 1226589309 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1226589311 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the systems programs, apparently < 1226589312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well he got issues then, the Linux kernel is planning to drop a.out support soon iirc < 1226589315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you can _build_ programs as ELF < 1226589336 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iirc, he maintained a set of patches to update the old unix libc so it still worked on modern systems < 1226589339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1226589341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1226589343 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt he'd have problems with porting it across all the time :-P < 1226589346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not an issue for him then yeah < 1226589366 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try Linux From Scratch sometime. < 1226589400 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, apparently I need a kernel update for gcc. < 1226589416 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how long does it take to compile the kernel < 1226589457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm well I do a manual kernel, a standard kernel would have to include more modules to support different hardware and such < 1226589469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for me, about 15-20 minutes < 1226589486 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best thing is, Gobolinux lets you just skip a dependency. < 1226589491 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm gonan do that and hope for the best. < 1226589491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1226589498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what kernel version do you have now? < 1226589515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.24.4 < 1226589521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that old really < 1226589524 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1226589541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think what on earth got added after that which would be needed for gcc < 1226589548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1226589550 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps i should learn some nice assembly, like ppc assembly, and write something like colorforth in 100 lines. < 1226589558 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then write a TCP stack in 50 lines of the crazy language I make < 1226589559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a direct dependency of gcc? < 1226589562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a web browser in 300 lines < 1226589566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Use system forever < 1226589570 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dunno. < 1226589571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a dependency of for example linux-headers < 1226589576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be needed for glibc < 1226589577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1226589600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you got newer kernel headers in /usr/include that you have kernel you could potentially run into issues < 1226589611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it tries to use a newer feature than exists on the current kernel < 1226589615 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1226589626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly used for glibc < 1226589638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if glibc is going to be compiled I would definitely update kernel first < 1226589656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare the linux headers version with the kernel version < 1226589678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that it should work fine to wait with kernel upgrade I guess < 1226589685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however: IANATM < 1226589694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I Am Not A Toolchain Maintainer) < 1226589712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about you but my nick is oklopol < 1226589715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so insert clause of no liability and so on < 1226589724 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I an atom < 1226589727 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANATM < 1226589734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1226589780 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOO GCC COMPILING GCC < 1226589789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it will bootstrap itself < 1226589792 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE HOT GCC SELF-PLEASURE ACTION < 1226589795 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXCOMPILERS.COM < 1226589798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1226589975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also doesn't gobolinux provide binary packages for last gcc and so on? < 1226589986 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary = 4.3 < 1226589997 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, not exactly ancient, but Qt sucks ass, apparently. < 1226590000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 4.3 is last, well 4.3.2 is < 1226590022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or the actual issue is something else < 1226590029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would suck yes) < 1226590069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however one good thing: Once you got all the stuff set up, you can usually run the upgrades in one terminal and do something else while it compiles < 1226590071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it that way < 1226590095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your is dual core (right?) it would hardly even be noticeable on responsiveness < 1226590102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I don't notice it on a single core system < 1226590151 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to run the mass-upgrade overnight. < 1226590161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1226590685 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt compile time < 1226590693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1226590716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that BSD/Linux < 1226590721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his other projects < 1226590726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm impressed < 1226590737 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same problem < 1226590739 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1226590748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, likely the cause is something else < 1226590753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any configure.log or such < 1226590754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1226590767 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1226590769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it uses autotools there would be config.log iirc < 1226590774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Discount < 1226590774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My implementation of John Gruber’s Markdown markup language. This implementation is written in C, so I can use it without having to install a modern vanity language." < 1226590801 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he seems to dislike most non-C, non-shell languges. < 1226590802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I see < 1226590804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Markdown requires Perl 5.6.0 or later. Welcome to the 21st Century. Markdown also requires the standard Perl library module Digest::MD5, which is probably already installed on your server." < 1226590808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1226590815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is a "modern vanity language" < 1226590819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1226590820 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1226590826 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his weblog software is written in C < 1226590830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never think if it like that < 1226590831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl I mean < 1226590832 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why anyone would write a CGI in C I don't know, but :D < 1226590847 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, he said that his latest distro release was "not that recent" = 7 years < 1226590858 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's a bit of sarcasm, but I imagine he's been using these computery things before Perl was around < 1226590875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about cgi in C: maybe to implement a scripting language. but that doesn't apply to his case < 1226590907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python can do CGIs, but it isn't a CGI written in C. :-P < 1226590914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1226590930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I said "but that doesn't apply to his case" < 1226590936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering CGIs are just a couple of environment vars that you get, and you just echo out an http response. < 1226590938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he isn't writing a scripting interpreter < 1226590945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1226590955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, yes except no one uses that any more because it is so inefficient < 1226590967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days there are things like fastcgi, or mod_foo and so on < 1226590970 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I use it for the occasional trivial hack < 1226590979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1226590993 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I use the language-specific solutions because they tend to be better at it than fastcgi; e.g. mod_passenger for Ruby, mod_wsgi for Python < 1226591005 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not mod_ruby or mod_python, which are both terrible - go figure) < 1226591011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1226591062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cwatch < 1226591062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cwatch is a log watcher much like the well-known swatch utility. Unlike swatch, cwatch is written in lex, yacc, and C, so it can run on a system that doesn’t have perl (or, as in my case, on a system where I don’t have the dynamic linking capacity that modern versons of perl require.)" < 1226591069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is wrong with dynamic linking? < 1226591082 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dynamic linking has caused me tons of problems. < 1226591084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those security hacks, like randomization of addresses require dynamic linking even < 1226591087 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 has no dynamic linking, either, it's all static < 1226591096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well ok, but everyone use it these days < 1226591102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the benefits < 1226591104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well windows doesn't < 1226591111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everyone also uses ELF and GNU and Perl < 1226591116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1226591129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to be frank: I don't see the issue with ELF of Perl < 1226591136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU I *can* see issues with < 1226591142 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan9's solution is unixy; you static-link the important stuff and the rest is in commands. < 1226591152 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ELF, iirc, is bloated compared to a.out < 1226591159 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of his exact gripe, though. < 1226591171 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl presumably because as he said he can't install Perl, due to no dynamic linkin < 1226591172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it got a certain amount of metadata overhead < 1226591174 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1226591193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but considering modern binaries... it is an insignificant amount < 1226591225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like much less than 1 KB compared to a binary of often over 30 KB at least < 1226591231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if GNU more than 100 KB < 1226591254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, ask him. :p < 1226591266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a.out files are faster to run/load. < 1226591284 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he just sees the features of ELF compared to a.out as not needed. < 1226591286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never thought I would end up arguing on the same side as ehird in that question < 1226591304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't think anyone could be much more prefer the old way than me heh < 1226591319 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were a liberal, anyway, isn't that a bit paradoxical? :p < 1226591334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1226591337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old things are old < 1226591339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean politically? < 1226591362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not discuss that. Suffice to say that liberal may be too much to the right for my taste < 1226591381 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think liberal actually has any fine pin-pointing, but whatever. < 1226591392 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you've said you like socialism in the past, so I guess far-left. I'm pretty much the same. < 1226591402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a birdie told me AnMaster is a socialist < 1226591417 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a birdie known as clog? < 1226591433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think it was AnMaster. < 1226591441 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is the logger < 1226591442 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1226591458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess it depends on what issues it is < 1226591476 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION supports ABORTING EVERY NEWBORN BABY & KITTEN < 1226591494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socialism doesn't really work for me, i don't really give a shit about people i don't know, and i don't even like the idea of a society where people are nice to strangers. < 1226591496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it disturbing < 1226591498 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, aborting them POST-BIRTH < 1226591507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of opinion. Liberal I guess when it comes to that. < 1226591515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the humane thing to do, because you know whether they deserve it < 1226591531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk for a while < 1226591537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they aren't born yet, who knows, they could be really cool guys. < 1226591544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, really cool. < 1226591557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just awful. < 1226591577 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1226591638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1226591644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing something, i'm sure < 1226591652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i'm staring at this window and have no clue. < 1226591661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i'll socialize a bit < 1226591665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1226591665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1226591666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? < 1226591673 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1226591676 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i guess < 1226591688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cool? need a blanket? < 1226591701 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not oerjan < 1226591709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like gimme-some-hot-tea-or-i'll-most-surely-die cool? < 1226591720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not? < 1226591730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well heck, what am i doing here then :\ < 1226591734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1226593215 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1226593352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523|direct < 1226593358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1226594408 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226594408 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1226594558 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226594558 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1226594643 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226594680 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guten[nag/dag] world < 1226594784 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAG NAG < 1226594831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which language is it "nag"? O_o < 1226594857 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GORMON < 1226594872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "nacht" or something < 1226594883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if anybody would actually say or write that < 1226594905 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got either of the following: A good way to validate a large prime (found with probably miller-rabin), an arbitrary precision calculator so I can see the number in all its glory? < 1226594906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was obvious what it meant :-P < 1226594931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: if you answer my question I might be able to run something through Mathematica < 1226594956 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afrikaans) < 1226594962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it < 1226594993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but evidently "guten" doesn't fit in < 1226594999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "goeie" < 1226595051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: anyhoo, I've got Mathematica here... so what are you looking for < 1226595073 0 :Slereah2!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226595074 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:< < 1226595100 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yip, nicely done :P < 1226595135 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goeienag, and "snags" means funny or in the evening < 1226595206 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, IRC client seems to be having some bad delays) < 1226595234 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1226595253 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that Deewiant, Pidign's IRC is dying < 1226595281 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not dead. What was this quesiton that I should answer? < 1226595294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already answered it with "afrikaans" :-) < 1226595322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1226595327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how goes stuff? < 1226595334 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. Then perhaps you might be able to run 3^2521 -2 through Mathematica for me? < 1226595355 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226595357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, that's a tiny number, all too easy :-P < 1226595370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66478796450889882937915975072813026539507576193402750526873297432119962224642117697219503382301330355047976113745824270903602329332161174576135552602173854297305538263330207230078187030679151177348747502892260949055429524724529301567307108189680225162226220405876105939921908744539875799782857201748186068248330693464490504074543525642597576445339082810885745581185402915395442133718406239632547971222498562638212574353711158105923192118705598166683582404 < 1226595371 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol! :D Well, in that case :P < 1226595376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44999945951305275385112133493371508826394490679609109227534237764060131571928075430416911840882836753074732482507345880974398805950602433590637696036075148851407585332923838239726403418149714502307108083034929437313801039719746183968015332703268731287381514837788933821418626391959087957344640857464802443995702465243624042634594729865724564322979967970112323691163488583513564666359520981358727859643686500018828569529703568272721740614434763305472853925 < 1226595377 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, awesome, thanks :D < 1226595382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51921038453893239515977131635925752931423550512603272087608800954436545497189268218875057633342317563395219199506400913166248245405520867428314613778858986060570975429236265467079808998631080351307401919284358880660711375210653975341720517847689216821848101278129662281995532069183363384503201 < 1226595388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result came instantaneously < 1226595390 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol, there was more :) ) < 1226595390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a page of output < 1226595400 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, guys, we're in the future < 1226595402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1203 digits in all < 1226595406 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers have infinite power < 1226595417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: and you wanted to know if it's prime? < 1226595420 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, damn, oh well, my programme is still chugging away, hopefully it will come up with something large soon :P < 1226595428 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you can Deewiant < 1226595434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: it is < 1226595435 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I doubt you can't now) < 1226595440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1.047 Second, True} < 1226595444 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use this : < 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (prime? x) < 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (define (prime y) < 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if (> y 1) < 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if (= (modulo x y) 0) < 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #f < 1226595447 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (prime (- y 1))) < 1226595449 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #t)) < 1226595451 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that was fast, what is this programme? < 1226595451 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if (> x 1) < 1226595453 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (prime (- x 1)) < 1226595453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: < 1226595455 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #f)) < 1226595456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be a bit slow < 1226595457 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1226595459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a huge number. < 1226595463 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno < 1226595465 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1226595466 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, what language might that be? (Lisp?) < 1226595470 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme < 1226595472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: That's scheme. < 1226595478 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it works in lisp < 1226595479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant's system is Mathematica < 1226595482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica < 1226595484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it doesn't < 1226595494 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1226595505 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, the only functional language I know (and by now i mean have met) is Haskell. Thanks Deewiant, will take a look now < 1226595517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Everything. < 1226595528 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? :o < 1226595529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: well, this number is small enough that this should be fairly doable in Haskell as well ;-) < 1226595571 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, not gonna try - not with GHC at least. All the error codes are encrypted using AES, can't make heads or tails of them < 1226595655 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's been a minute and it's still checking for primolarity :o < 1226595685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly enough :-P < 1226595730 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, what have we got you into Slereah? :P < 1226595735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: you do realize that you're going to have to loop through N iterations where N is a number with over a thousand digits < 1226595743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's been established that it /is/ prime < 1226595755 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just loop to the approx Sqrt? < 1226595759 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly? < 1226595760 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol < 1226595761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: if you want to take a head start, start from the square root < 1226595767 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late :o < 1226595770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1226595773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-c < 1226595774 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is < 1226595776 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up < 1226595776 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big x < 1226595776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start from the square root now < 1226595781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your system resources. < 1226595782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be a LOT further than you are now :-P < 1226595784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call me back in 500 years < 1226595787 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or loop TO the square root < 1226595789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, warning < 1226595792 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude < 1226595799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you take the square root < 1226595802 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once ran a prime checker for Mesrene primes. < 1226595802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take forever. < 1226595807 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't take 500 years < 1226595808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that algorithm? < 1226595811 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely a few months < 1226595814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1226595816 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1226595822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my one second < 1226595823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, just let Slereah burn his system < 1226595827 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program was called "Prime something something" < 1226595835 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I stopped it < 1226595840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIME SOMETHING SOMETHING < 1226595841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime95? < 1226595850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use that algorithm, I assure you :-P < 1226595852 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1226595856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah um < 1226595856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1226595859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not that stupid :-P < 1226595872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, again, they prefer 'few months' to '500 years' :-P < 1226595889 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.mersenne.org/gimps/t/status.txt < 1226595892 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miller-Rabin is my bet < 1226595895 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be on that webpage < 1226595910 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it no more exists < 1226595923 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I just checked one number, and it wasn't even prime < 1226595950 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, considering they're getting the 50 000 smackers for finding the 46th mersenne prime, what's a few CPU cycles? < 1226595981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I checked 2 or so numbers with prime95 < 1226595982 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they are, not the users :o < 1226595986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not prime either :-P < 1226596004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1226596019 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Shame, Slereah2: but you get your name in lights < 1226596043 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the odds anyway, of finding a mersenne prime if you randomly strike odd powers of two? < 1226596084 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua : To know the odds, you need to know the distribution of primes. < 1226596093 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure you can solve that problem! < 1226596095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR we can just look at the history. < 1226596109 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't the minimum distribution of primes in an interval given by a formula? < 1226596116 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno < 1226596116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many numbers have been tested, how many were prime. < 1226596119 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, generalisations < 1226596130 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read: averages) < 1226596134 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant : Well, for that to work, you have to assume a somehow uniform distribution < 1226596143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1226596168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or depends on what you mean by 'work'. We'll get a value, it's probably not correct but at least it's something :-P < 1226596188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like they don't go in order < 1226596210 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number#Distribution < 1226596292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess GIMPS doesn't publish how many numbers they've tested :-/ < 1226596323 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a side not, I can only get my hands on Maxima (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/) in place of Mathematic, unless I be a pirrrate. Is it as good (should anyone know)? < 1226596336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not as good. < 1226596346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is the best program out there for some things < 1226596369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica and Matlab are the two top programs for basically 99% of things that can be done that you might want to do :-P < 1226596387 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blarg, oh well, I gues I just most certainly will not obtain it illegally < 1226596397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1226596402 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica < 1226596403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: Scilab is a free program similar to Matlab. < 1226596408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are you sure? < 1226596423 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As good? < 1226596424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, I haven't proved it or anything. :-) < 1226596438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: I'm not sure. < 1226596451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school's computers all have Mathematica 6 installed :-) < 1226596453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know those languages, but that sounds like a lie < 1226596456 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll give it a bash though, thanks < 1226596491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, and Maple is another popular one. < 1226596493 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, there's were you luck Deewiant, my schools PC's don't even have calculator, well at least you acn't get to it (well, you're not supposed to be able to anyway) < 1226596509 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're lucky < 1226596516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, you're stuck to Windows? I feel your pain :-) < 1226596528 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed :( < 1226596555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is reputedly the best for symbolic computation, Matlab is faster for numerical stuff < 1226596571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is what statisticians prefer < 1226596599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: oh, and see also Octave, another Matlab clone < 1226596604 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them Mathematica is hard to use though < 1226596617 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nifty and all, but it's hard to find errors < 1226596620 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Primes? Perfect. You see: 2008/11/13 @ 06:28:31 PM : 3^2521-2 was the last Prime it came up with, it now being 7:19 < 1226596646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently Maple is more like Mathematica < 1226596649 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger that, will check it out (something tell's me I've used Sciab before) < 1226596698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some good benchmarks many months ago, am trying to dig up < 1226596758 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going to try Octave first) < 1226596801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School computers appear to have matlab as well < 1226596815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just test that one number and see what kind of speeds come out :-P < 1226596823 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, aren't you the lucky one? < 1226596826 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it :D < 1226596848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if I knew how to use this thing < 1226596853 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are you connecting to a virtual school network from home?) < 1226596863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH to a school computer, yep < 1226596875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where I'm running my IRC client as well :-) < 1226596893 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE! Damn, would I kill for that (hell, we don't even have a functioning website let alone telnet and co) < 1226596921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Africa? < 1226596941 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :( < 1226596947 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whois? < 1226597025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1226597092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I'd need to run matlab in X to actually see the results :-/ < 1226597107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the profiler doesn't seem to work on the console < 1226597133 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. Wouldn't know :P What distro do you use? < 1226597169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me, the school :-) Ubuntu < 1226597189 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, doesn't matter < 1226597192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Error using ==> isprime at 22 < 1226597192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maximum value of X allowed is 2^32. < 1226597199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, that's why matlab is faster :-) < 1226597220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how do I pull arbitrary precision out of this thing < 1226597224 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you're on Windoze at home? I suppose if you're a gamer then it's alright. HAHA, yay, my puny number broke something :P Well, I know now, thanks :P < 1226597270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I use windows at home, although my laptop is mainly gentoo (dual boot there) < 1226597322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hmm, looks like matlab can't do this at all < 1226597330 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1226597346 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot be, but I guess it's much like GHC in it's cryptic-ness < 1226597376 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know it's prime, and that's all that matters, so 7 interations of Miller-Rabin is good enough for at least about 1000 odd digits < 1226597378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC isn't cryptic :-) < 1226597411 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after reading YAHT (about half a dozen times) I still don't know what it's on about, and HUGS just plain sucks :P < 1226597447 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't read just one tutorial < 1226597474 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any recommendaions? < 1226597474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two newish ones that I hear are good are http://www.learnyouahaskell.com/ and http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/ < 1226597475 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought I just couldn't find the option for loading multiple modules at once in Hugs... but apparently there isn't one < 1226597512 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, another hole in the wall I suppose < 1226597523 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will check them out, thanks < 1226597569 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of reminds me of Why's Poignant Guide < 1226597649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the first one is in that style < 1226597658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is a complete book < 1226598065 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Windows it's just a matter of downloading the installer and clicking "Next" a couple of times and then rebooting your computer. On Debian based Linux distributions you can just do apt-get install ghc6 libghc6-mtl-dev and you're laughing." How sad but true < 1226598160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to reboot < 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? < 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do it! < 1226598202 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run! < 1226598220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run before the lambdas get you < 1226598227 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas are cool. < 1226598232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already caught, I can't escape < 1226598233 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the monads you have to watch out for < 1226598237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other languages seem to suck now < 1226598252 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with Scheme dude < 1226598257 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let the parenthesis hug you < 1226598258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it sucks < 1226598260 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1226598270 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: Am I sensing some kind of tension ehre? Why don't you like Haskell? Either way, do you think there's a better functional language than Haskell for a newb at functional? < 1226598279 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see scheme < 1226598287 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curse a long delay in IRC chats) < 1226598305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was somebody on #haskell just yesterday for whom it was his first programming language ever < 1226598330 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, wow, talk about brave (or stupid) < 1226598335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was reading the intro on LYAH and said "aren't all languages like this? if not, what are those other muppets doing" or something to that effect :-D < 1226598353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell is perfectly fine as a first language < 1226598370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's much harder as a first functional language after imperative languages < 1226598384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know, I only went the latter way and there was much head-bashing involved :-P < 1226598392 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can only talk from experience when I say, as approx a sixth langauge, I still don't get it. Then again, I'm not the sharpest tool < 1226598426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it took me a while too. < 1226598441 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The imperative trap holds one fast. Though, I wonder if it isn't a more natural (if somewhat less tangible system) < 1226598540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It may or may not be. < 1226598557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I will say is that prolog is definitely unnatural. ;-) < 1226598582 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, apples and .. well, llamas my friend - beyond comaprison :P < 1226598786 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226599502 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONOOOODS D: < 1226599515 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly went to scheme because it's the first functional language I saw < 1226599527 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's what Lazy K is writen in, and I saw that) < 1226599742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599743 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | quite, but is it t or f < 1226599745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599745 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | $ ls tests/ < 1226599747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599747 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yes < 1226599749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599750 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | as in your example, double each integer is equivalent to like < 1226599773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599773 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | what is agora? < 1226599775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599776 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | !hangman s < 1226599777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599778 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | fizzie: I think it may be quite possible to do hot code change of parts of efunge without stopping :D < 1226599780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599780 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | no < 1226599786 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfactory. < 1226599787 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | did it have static scoping? < 1226599789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh! < 1226599794 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599795 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ... < 1226599804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1226599805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ... < 1226599859 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1226600434 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226601474 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@f-109.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1226601684 0 :jix!n=jix@pD955F110.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226601689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that's a very old version < 1226602115 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226602305 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1226602487 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana" < 1226603368 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226603479 0 :Doitle2!n=Doitle@c-98-214-67-104.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226604445 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1226604584 0 :jix!n=jix@pD955F110.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1226605076 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1226606064 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1226606920 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1226607157 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !" < 1226608830 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-070-223.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1226609471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=41 < 1226609502 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1226609621 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1226609822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=94 muahaha < 1226609832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you are not oerjan < 1226609840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad we finally agree on that < 1226610173 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this comic < 1226610266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonobo Conspiracy < 1226610282 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the name < 1226610284 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic < 1226610381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeky stuff, apparently. The bald guy is the TA of some course < 1226610392 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=3 < 1226610400 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this comic just jokes about computation theory? < 1226610444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are other types of jokes in there < 1226610501 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame jokes, apparently < 1226610587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughed at no. 3 < 1226610670 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=10 < 1226610676 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author is too lazy to change any sprite < 1226610711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=66 < 1226610801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=69 < 1226612275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=129 < 1226612379 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226612870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=148 < 1226614588 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226615155 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1226615601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1226615750 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1226616743 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1226616754 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1226617266 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1226618305 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-94-113.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1226618877 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1226618877 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1226618892 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1226619051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"here we go, changing to znc" < 1226619097 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1226619099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a znc-ing feeling