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optbot) (display "yes") (display "no")) 14:44:29 KingOfKarlsruhe: it's not a pythonic class name 14:44:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:05:14 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 15:05:14 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:05:37 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:09:38 -!- kar8nga has joined. 15:33:18 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 15:46:32 optbot, really ? :o 15:46:33 Mony: 1x-e+o at the right position 15:46:44 but what about aboutness optbot ? xD 15:46:45 Mony: ok.. so the max is with 1 byte-implementation x(255)? 15:47:05 optbot, tu parles français ? 15:47:06 Mony: you have 0 = nil... 15:47:08 optbot, tu parles français ? 15:47:09 Mony: Ah 15:47:15 ah ? oui optbot ? 15:47:16 Mony: This is why everybody should smoke weed when listening to music. 15:47:20 ok :D 15:48:14 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | maybe.... 15:51:13 optbot, what about tusho ? :? 15:51:14 Mony: that only offers the same speed as the bundled interpreter 15:51:29 ,:? 15:51:32 i am a programming languge 15:51:46 \o~ 15:52:08 an esoteric programming language ^^ 16:01:01 tusho, are there any specs? 16:01:10 AnMaster: No. 16:01:12 ah well 16:01:18 It self-modifies. 16:01:34 Specifically, the only interpreter - me - is required by the spec to modify the spec every infinitesimal moment it witnesses. 16:01:34 tusho, the language itself self modifies? Somewhat like Feather then? 16:01:52 (If I didn't have write access to the spec - which is encoded in my DNA and so forth - then I couldn't be an implementation.) 16:02:02 tusho, ah 16:02:29 tusho, do you suggest every human is a language or just you? 16:02:31 Of course, I might end up removing that clause althoguh considering how the self-modification works that's incredibly likely. 16:02:34 *unlikely 16:02:37 AnMaster: I'm not a human. 16:02:42 I'm an esolang & esolang interpreter. 16:02:45 hm 16:24:20 -!- Corun has joined. 16:32:20 -!- Mony has quit ("reboot"). 16:36:05 -!- Mony has joined. 16:56:00 -!- Corun has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:56:15 -!- Corun has joined. 17:01:31 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 17:17:13 * SimonRC 's Internet FAIL continues 17:42:12 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:44:54 yo 17:49:23 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:53:40 -!- Corun has joined. 18:04:59 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:04:59 hi ais523 18:05:41 hi tusho 18:05:53 hi judofyr 18:05:57 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 18:05:58 hello. 18:06:07 ah, hi judofyr, haven't seen you here for a while 18:06:26 ais523: hi, target-of-my-envy 18:06:57 hellos all round, by the look of it 18:07:08 yeah, I got tired of helping noobs at #ruby-lang 18:07:09 now I'm annoyed that I don't have anything to report... 18:07:22 Judofyr: don't overdo it, you'll burn out 18:10:04 it's actually a bit fun, too 18:21:13 heh, someone on MediaWiki made an ODT/JAR polyglot 18:21:22 which was both a legal OpenDocument document and Java archive 18:21:34 to prove that it wasn't always possible to determine the MIME type from the file itself 18:22:42 ISTR that jpegs are ridiculously liberal regarding where their header starts 18:23:05 so you can concatinate a jpeg onto another file and it will work as both 18:26:43 SimonRC: other way too 18:26:54 it used to be a neat trick to put an mp3 after a jpg and tell people to "Save as foo.mp3" 18:26:57 in the jpg 18:28:37 ais523: both ODT & JAR is really a zip-archive, I assume? 18:28:51 yes 18:29:00 well, ODT can be a flatfile too but is normally a zip-archive 18:29:10 and they both ignore files they don't understand.. 18:29:23 makes sense 18:31:47 wow 18:31:54 could one make documentation and code together in by that method 18:32:08 g++ uses 400 MB for each file when compiling this project 18:32:10 that is crazy 18:32:19 (the project is a game, wesnoth) 18:32:25 or make an official compatibility requirement between ODT and JAR? 18:32:30 and that is RAM 18:32:35 hi ais523 btw 18:32:39 hi AnMaster 18:33:03 hi * 18:33:17 AnMaster: are you doing the super-duper C++ types thing? 18:33:28 code + documentation sounds awesome! 18:33:33 SimonRC, no clue, I'm just an user trying to compile a game I like 18:33:37 that game happens to use C++ 18:33:59 Judofyr: well, there is already Javadoc, which can go in the JAR 18:34:11 in fact C++ is using more ram than virtualbox currently 18:34:16 and that is crazy 18:34:26 still, user-guides, tutorials should go together with the code 18:34:26 since virtualbox use 500 MB RAM 18:34:45 that was the computer_ai.cpp btw 18:34:51 hm 18:35:22 should not* 18:35:38 and why javadoc? 18:35:39 why java? 18:35:42 as, in the *.class files 18:35:48 because they got .jar :P 18:36:29 ah 18:36:29 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:36:47 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:36:52 Judofyr, I tend to use doxygen rather than javadoc, but I don't code in java at all 18:37:04 oh edoc too 18:37:11 I only do Java for work. 18:37:12 but edoc is kind of slightly crazy 18:37:36 AnMaster: the point was that you can have a file which is both a .jar and a .odt 18:37:37 it is probably the most weird "generate documentation from source comments" system out there 18:37:49 so the jar-file IS the documentation too 18:37:52 Judofyr, well yes of course both are zip 18:38:02 hm 18:38:14 isn't Microsoft's ooxml or whatever it was called also zip? 18:38:58 yes 18:39:00 well 18:39:07 jar/odt/docx polygot! 18:39:08 ;D 18:39:14 well, OOXML is sufficiently badly specified that it can't really be calculated 18:39:18 horrible idea in every possible way 18:39:23 looking at what office 2007 does is one way to get some sort of clue 18:39:38 hm 18:39:57 still, I hear the standard's about 7500 pages once all the corrections are applied 18:40:18 ais523, but what about a jar/odt/docx polygot? 18:40:23 just write the file in Office 07, OO.org and compile the code, then merge all the zips 18:40:24 probably possible 18:40:27 let the user select what format they want to open it as 18:40:48 ais523, the jar would contain a viewer for the same document as an applet or whatever 18:40:51 .odtx! 18:41:00 Judofyr, .jodtx 18:41:01 even 18:41:12 or .jadtx 18:41:27 hm doesn't jadetex? exist. quite close to that ;) 18:41:39 it could be a great way to bundle documents, though 18:41:52 Judofyr, you mean in many formats? 18:41:59 hmm... what other ZIP-pased formats can we polyglot with it? 18:42:04 create it as a jar-file which detects if you have Office or OO 18:42:08 maybe you should put a Makefile and some sources in there 18:42:12 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:42:28 ais523, well sure, but you would have to extract it first 18:42:45 and well I don't know, but what about spreadsheet formats? or such 18:42:49 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:42:51 yes, but a .zip archive with Makefile and/or configure script is reasonably common 18:42:53 -!- oc2k1__ has joined. 18:43:22 ais523, you could probably select the zip encoding to create valid brainfuck 18:43:29 heh 18:43:32 and then it opens the file using the installed program 18:43:35 probably with suboptimal compression then 18:43:36 probably not valid INTERCAL though 18:43:41 unless you could get it to start DONOT 18:43:43 * SimonRC goes away. He may be some time. 18:43:44 .jodtxbf 18:44:41 -!- Hiato has joined. 18:44:47 hm 18:44:53 Judofyr, I don't know that for sure 18:45:00 it was just speculation 18:45:03 -!- Hiato has quit (Client Quit). 18:45:04 that it might be possible 18:45:23 but a .odtx is actually a nice idea 18:45:31 no it isn't, it's a horrible idea 18:45:39 * AnMaster agrees with ais523 18:45:52 correction: it's a nice hack 18:45:55 and like hacks 18:46:02 and I* 18:46:05 it is a horrible hack 18:46:17 -!- mtve has quit ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5"). 18:46:20 no, no, no 18:46:28 OOXML is horrible enough that it I don't like thinking about it 18:46:28 it's spelled: beautiful! 18:46:34 although it's called OXML nowadays 18:46:39 they dropped the "Office" from the name 18:46:53 ais523, as long as they don't try to get that as a standard... 18:46:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:47:02 AnMaster: they are 18:47:05 it was ISO who changed the name 18:47:09 ais523, ugh 18:47:11 still ugh 18:47:14 and I think it's going to become an ISO standard 18:47:20 ais523, I hope they say no again 18:47:25 as soon as the editors finish applying all the 2000 or so pages of changes 18:47:33 they said yes the second time, in controversial circumstances 18:47:36 then 4 countries appealed 18:47:38 and were ignored 18:48:11 ugh 18:48:26 OTOH everyone is ignoring the resulting standard 18:48:28 even Microsofy 18:48:30 *Microsoft 18:48:56 at least MS have to follow it now IMO 18:49:03 they don't plan to 18:49:09 ais523, why? 18:49:10 at least not in the current version of Office 18:49:18 they are supporting ODF, though, in a service pack 18:49:25 and don't ask me, I'm not Microsoft 18:49:31 although my guess is that it's because it's too difficult 18:49:32 hm 18:49:57 ais523, they could have selected to use odf with custom extensions instead or something 18:50:02 that would be MS style 18:50:09 or just plain odf would be better 18:50:16 ais523, how long is the odf standard? 18:50:18 well, yes, that's what they should do 18:50:23 AnMaster: much shorter then the OOXML standard 18:50:26 I'll download it and have a look 18:51:14 -!- mtve has joined. 18:52:45 738 pages 18:53:03 for ODF 1.1 18:53:07 which is the current version 18:53:16 ais523, that's still a lot 18:53:22 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/22154/OpenDocument-v1.1.odt 18:53:25 well, yes 18:53:29 but it's full of examples 18:53:40 the C99 standard is 552 pages 18:53:45 and it has to define all the attributes needed for 3 different sorts of documents 18:53:57 so slightly bigger than C99 seems reasonable IMO 18:54:03 and I think C99 standard is huge 18:54:12 iirc the scheme standard is way way smaller 18:54:15 It's better than OOXML, though. 18:54:29 I think I read that one version was like 50 pages or so 18:54:31 the scheme standard is famous for being small, i think 18:54:41 or was until the latest versions... 18:54:50 2 thousand-something pages and counting... 18:55:03 pikhq: 2000? 18:55:10 the original version of OOXML was 6000 pages 18:55:16 2000 was the number of pages of /corrections/ that were suggested 18:55:26 Damn. 18:56:31 what's the point? 18:56:39 in what? 18:56:40 OOXML? 18:56:43 that's a good question... 18:56:59 6000 pages? is that actually necessary? 18:57:06 obviously not, as ODF is a lot shorter 18:57:08 Among other things, they created a math markup language... 18:57:12 For *no good reason*. 18:57:16 *facepalm* 18:57:20 the problem is that ODF relies on a whole lot of established standards, which is fine 18:57:28 -!- ihope_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:57:30 whereas OOXML re-invented most of ISO, by the look of it 18:57:38 pikhq: the alternatives weren't created by Microsoft... 18:57:55 well, a standard entirely created by one company is suspicious 18:58:33 They also have 3 different ways of specifying a table. 18:58:56 Norway has chosen to use ODT, PDF & HTML for all official papers : -) 18:59:24 that's pretty awesome 18:59:26 One of which is also a vector graphics format. 18:59:37 http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2007/12/norway-mandates-html-pdf-odf 18:59:54 Judofyr: I knew about Norway, it's not the only country doing that 19:00:05 although #esoteric has sufficiently many Norwegians that perhaps it's the most relevant here 19:00:28 oh, really? 19:00:44 oerjan is Norwegian IIRC 19:00:51 Boo! 19:00:58 and from somewhere I remember there was another 19:01:05 * Judofyr waves 19:01:15 yes, I knew that one 19:01:21 hmm... is there a third, or is my memory playing up? 19:01:21 kipple 19:01:27 iirc 19:01:43 out of the other countries that have adopted ODF... 19:01:49 well, there's South Africa 19:02:17 Among other things, they created a math markup language... <-- mathml iirc? 19:02:22 AnMaster: yes 19:02:24 no 19:02:29 MathML is a separate standard 19:02:31 that ODF uses 19:02:32 I mean that exists 19:02:36 OXML has its own math markup 19:02:38 that nothing uses 19:02:41 AFAIK 19:02:42 ugh 19:02:47 well, OXML uses it... 19:02:47 * ais523 tries to remember what it was called 19:03:06 Judofyr: actually all the equations in the original OOXML standard were JPEGs 19:03:15 yes, feel free to laugh, I am 19:03:37 ah, JPEG <3 19:03:46 JPEG is not very good for equations... 19:04:09 ais523, and hard to edit 19:04:15 yes 19:04:29 anyway I stick to LaTeX 19:04:47 ODF is actually pretty good, I wrote a pro 19:04:49 it is so much more awesome for documents than even odf 19:04:54 for instance OpenOffice's macro language is rubish 19:04:57 blurry images are so cute! 19:04:59 s/,I wrote a pro// 19:05:13 so I wrote a program that just parsed the .ods file directly 19:05:18 it wasn't too hard to figure out 19:05:20 ais523, ods? 19:05:27 spreadsheet? 19:05:28 spreadsheet format from ODF 19:05:32 ah 19:05:35 anyway 19:05:42 .odt for documents, .ods for spreadsheets, .odp for presentations 19:05:44 for text I prefer LaTeX or even LyX 19:05:51 much much nicer to edit 19:06:01 ODF compiles to LaTeX 19:06:04 although not perfectly 19:06:09 ais523, I think LaTeX is turing complete 19:06:11 is that right? 19:06:18 I wouldn't be surprised 19:06:25 LaTeX is very nice 19:06:25 ais523, it got stdio too 19:06:25 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:06:29 one of the ICFP entries last year was written in TeX 19:06:39 -!- puzzlet has joined. 19:06:45 ais523: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 19:06:48 also 19:06:50 icfp results yet? 19:06:51 ais523, I used a non-esoteric latex program that generated a natbib style file 19:06:51 bbbbbbbbbbbbbb 19:06:55 tusho: I'll check 19:06:56 ais523, it was indeed coded in latex 19:07:10 tusho: I think so. there was something at reddit a few days ago 19:07:16 i bet ais523 won 19:07:17 :P 19:07:17 tex != latex 19:07:23 tusho: yes, they are 19:07:25 and I didn't win 19:07:30 ais523: what place were you 19:07:39 I don't know yet 19:07:43 http://www.icfpcontest.org/results/ 19:07:46 excuse me for asking instead of googling, but my system is already swap trashing so I don't want to start a browser: what is ICFP? 19:07:46 you can look at the same time I do 19:07:57 AnMaster: the ICFP contest is a programming contest 19:08:01 run every year 19:08:10 ais523, ah, what is special with it? 19:08:23 it's just relatively famous 19:08:28 and attracts quite a lot of entries 19:08:35 ais523, nothing like obfuscation or such? 19:08:46 no 19:08:49 didn't a Java-team win something? 19:08:52 but there are strict time limits 19:08:55 won* 19:09:05 they set a task description 19:09:23 and they have prizes for the best entry within 24 hours and the best three entries within 72 hours 19:09:27 ais523, was it the mars rover one? 19:09:29 yes 19:09:31 aha 19:09:32 * Sgeo wishes the IRTC was still running (yes, I know that has nothing to do with programming) 19:09:32 -!- LinuS has joined. 19:09:34 this year 19:09:52 -!- LinuS has quit (Client Quit). 19:10:19 ah, I was eliminated at Lightning-8 and Final-9 19:10:48 TeX: http://sdh33b.blogspot.com/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html 19:10:50 ais523, ouch 19:11:11 it uses Perl for network access, though 19:11:33 they haven't put up all the details of the trials yet though 19:12:16 Overall winner: Team Smartass wins again. Java is the programming language of choice for discriminating hackers. 19:12:38 Top 10 languages: Top 10 languages: Java, C++, Java, Haskell, Haskell, C , C++ , C , C++, C++ 19:12:49 sauce: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/735fx/live_from_icfp_2008_icfp_programming_contest/c05jyov 19:13:33 that was such an obvious contest to use imperative languages on, thouhg 19:13:42 and it's meant to encourage functional programming... 19:17:34 ais523, so you didn't even reach the top 10? 19:17:52 no 19:17:54 'even' :-P 19:17:57 ais523: which team? 19:17:58 why did you expect me to? 19:18:04 Judofyr: I entered as ais523 19:18:10 and there wasn't anyone else in my team 19:20:19 hm 19:20:29 ais523, I expected it as your app was good 19:20:31 :) 19:20:41 iirc you showed me some code from it 19:20:51 well, so were many of the others 19:20:59 you get some excellent programmers entering the ICFP contest 19:21:32 ah 19:25:01 -!- calamari has joined. 19:25:59 -!- kar8nga has joined. 19:27:27 -!- calamari has quit (Client Quit). 19:31:24 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:31:52 -!- oklofok has joined. 19:32:17 hi oklo[plfko]* 19:32:32 -!- oklofok has changed nick to oklocop. 19:34:39 hi oklo.* 19:35:02 -!- Corun has quit (Connection timed out). 19:37:23 -!- Corun has joined. 19:43:28 fdsfsfs 19:44:13 hi tusho 19:44:24 also, is an oklocop like a netcop? 19:44:34 i have been doing the same on here thing since 3pm and it is terminally boring 19:44:39 :\ 19:48:02 tusho: typing random letters into a channel? 19:48:07 no 19:48:07 :P 19:48:09 come over to ##nomic and start up a conversation 19:48:18 Murphy's there 19:53:09 * oklocop enforces murphy's law 19:55:08 * oerjan watches oklocop fail. at the worst possible time. 19:56:20 i already did, ais523 clearly set up for a better pun than mine 19:56:39 actually, I wasn't setting up for a pun 19:56:41 hm interesting, a grounded recursive acronym: 19:56:43 i mean, i had all the ingredients, murphy = law, cop = law, but i kinda blew it 19:56:56 'TTC - Stands for "The TTC Company"' 19:56:56 but referring to someone who was genuinely called murphy that both me and tusho know 19:57:05 i basically just said "lol pun elements! look i found them myself" 19:57:20 ais523: i know that 19:57:30 see you ! -> 19:57:32 -!- oklocop has quit ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"). 20:04:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:09:47 bye 20:09:52 -!- Mony has quit ("Ne regrettons pas le passé, ne nous préoccupons pas de l'avenir : le sage vit dans le présent."). 20:11:22 Wait 20:11:26 Mony is French? :o 20:14:00 Mais oui 20:14:20 "This changes EVERYTHING!" 20:14:31 Well, I am too. 20:14:33 we've been discussing his quit messages before :) 20:14:41 I wasn't there. 20:15:04 this one was a new one i think 20:36:43 wtf 20:36:49 firefox is using 500 MB ram 20:36:56 with one page open 20:36:58 a simple one 20:37:07 2.0 I guess? 20:37:55 Deewiant, yeah 20:37:57 * Deewiant suggests 3.0 20:38:37 yeah except the downside: there is as far as I know yet no 1.5 style theme for it 20:39:14 http://webdesigns.ms11.net/winstripethemes.html ? 20:39:31 they ported it to 3.0? 20:39:42 I don't know, I googled that, is that it? 20:39:44 well was some time ago I last checked 20:40:01 Deewiant, "almost" I think 20:40:05 I use winstripe yes 20:40:20 actually 20:40:22 "winestripe" 20:40:30 Deewiant, which haven't been updated 20:40:38 so I guess it is an adaption 20:41:10 that was linked from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3479 20:41:10 linstripe seems good 20:41:25 however doesn't look exactly the same 20:41:39 but, meh... my favoured theme doesn't exist for 3.0 either, but oh well 20:41:55 Deewiant, thanks a lot 20:41:56 the advantages of a good browser outweigh those of a good theme IMO :-P 20:42:17 Deewiant, I include "usable" in "good" 20:42:28 and I argue both 2.0 and 3.0 themes are "not usable" 20:42:50 you've tried all the existing themes, then? 20:42:56 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 20:42:59 Deewiant, "standard themes" 20:43:00 ... 20:43:05 typo 20:43:12 you don't have to use them 20:43:14 I certainly don't 20:43:16 never have 20:43:26 except in the days of 0.4 I guess 20:43:26 Deewiant, well 1.5 standard theme rocked 20:43:30