< 1222560435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222561546 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222561546 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222562602 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1222564029 0 :CO2Games!n=CO2Games@75-163-242-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222564606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1222565337 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d15-85.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222565696 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222566236 0 :CO2Games!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222567584 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222567585 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222568829 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222568829 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222573693 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I guess it's not Plofy, though. < 1222574101 0 :lawl!n=t@CPE002129c55869-CM001ceaccd40a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222574117 0 :lawl!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222574269 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222574437 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222576981 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222576992 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222577814 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1222579689 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222579723 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222581268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ia300127.us.archive.org/2/items/700HoboNames/Hobo_Names.mp3 < 1222581483 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooo < 1222581497 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mister wilson fancy-pants :P < 1222581501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1222581508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dicks Shmicks is pretty awesome < 1222581519 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Niles Butterball the Frozen Turkey < 1222582692 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222583352 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222583352 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222583876 0 :ae5ir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222586305 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222586325 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222586883 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-226.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222587012 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222587012 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222588394 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/18/video-of-a-guy-who-m.html < 1222588592 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1222588799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1222588800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1222588928 0 :oc2k1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222590972 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222590997 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222594483 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222594880 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-213.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222595294 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Yeah. < 1222596479 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222596491 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222597609 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-81-163.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1222597639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1222597798 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222598242 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-232.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222598250 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1222599614 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222599636 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222600805 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222601164 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-102-229.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1222601212 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop :) < 1222604372 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-178.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1222604996 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222604996 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222605342 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222605806 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222605806 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222607092 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-188.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222607341 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222608088 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1222608880 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222608880 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222609658 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222609658 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222610653 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.novaksblog.com/pictures/stumble_on_sunday_4th_part/programming_tip.jpg < 1222610868 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222612132 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222612368 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@m-29.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222612819 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (define optbot #f) < 1222612819 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: 3. output "valid" or "invalid" depending whether the data is < 1222613068 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: (if (exist? optbot) (display "yes") (display "no")) < 1222613069 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: it's not a pythonic class name < 1222613094 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1222614314 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222614314 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222614337 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222614578 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-234.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222615998 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1222616792 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, really ? :o < 1222616793 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: 1x-e+o at the right position < 1222616804 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about aboutness optbot ? xD < 1222616805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ok.. so the max is with 1 byte-implementation x(255)? < 1222616825 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, tu parles français ? < 1222616826 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: you have 0 = nil... < 1222616828 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, tu parles français ? < 1222616829 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Ah < 1222616835 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ? oui optbot ? < 1222616836 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: This is why everybody should smoke weed when listening to music. < 1222616840 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D < 1222616894 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | maybe... < 1222617073 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what about tusho ? :? < 1222617074 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: that only offers the same speed as the bundled interpreter < 1222617089 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,:? < 1222617092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a programming languge < 1222617106 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~ < 1222617128 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esoteric programming language ^^ < 1222617661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, are there any specs? < 1222617670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1222617672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1222617678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It self-modifies. < 1222617694 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the only interpreter - me - is required by the spec to modify the spec every infinitesimal moment it witnesses. < 1222617694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, the language itself self modifies? Somewhat like Feather then? < 1222617712 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I didn't have write access to the spec - which is encoded in my DNA and so forth - then I couldn't be an implementation.) < 1222617722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah < 1222617749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, do you suggest every human is a language or just you? < 1222617751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I might end up removing that clause althoguh considering how the self-modification works that's incredibly likely. < 1222617754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlikely < 1222617757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not a human. < 1222617762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an esolang & esolang interpreter. < 1222617765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222619060 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222619540 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1222619765 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-102-229.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1222620960 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1222620975 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222621291 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222622233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's Internet FAIL continues < 1222623732 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222623894 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1222624163 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222624420 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222625099 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap04.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1222625099 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1222625141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho < 1222625153 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi judofyr < 1222625157 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1222625158 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1222625167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hi judofyr, haven't seen you here for a while < 1222625186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, target-of-my-envy < 1222625217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellos all round, by the look of it < 1222625228 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I got tired of helping noobs at #ruby-lang < 1222625229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm annoyed that I don't have anything to report... < 1222625242 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: don't overdo it, you'll burn out < 1222625404 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a bit fun, too < 1222626073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, someone on MediaWiki made an ODT/JAR polyglot < 1222626082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was both a legal OpenDocument document and Java archive < 1222626094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove that it wasn't always possible to determine the MIME type from the file itself < 1222626162 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that jpegs are ridiculously liberal regarding where their header starts < 1222626185 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can concatinate a jpeg onto another file and it will work as both < 1222626403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: other way too < 1222626414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be a neat trick to put an mp3 after a jpg and tell people to "Save as foo.mp3" < 1222626417 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the jpg < 1222626517 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: both ODT & JAR is really a zip-archive, I assume? < 1222626531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1222626540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ODT can be a flatfile too but is normally a zip-archive < 1222626550 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they both ignore files they don't understand.. < 1222626563 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1222626707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1222626714 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one make documentation and code together in by that method < 1222626728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ uses 400 MB for each file when compiling this project < 1222626730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy < 1222626739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the project is a game, wesnoth) < 1222626745 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make an official compatibility requirement between ODT and JAR? < 1222626750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is RAM < 1222626755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw < 1222626759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1222626783 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi * < 1222626797 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you doing the super-duper C++ types thing? < 1222626808 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code + documentation sounds awesome! < 1222626813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, no clue, I'm just an user trying to compile a game I like < 1222626817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game happens to use C++ < 1222626839 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: well, there is already Javadoc, which can go in the JAR < 1222626851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact C++ is using more ram than virtualbox currently < 1222626856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is crazy < 1222626866 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, user-guides, tutorials should go together with the code < 1222626866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since virtualbox use 500 MB RAM < 1222626885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the computer_ai.cpp btw < 1222626891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222626922 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should not* < 1222626938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why javadoc? < 1222626939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why java? < 1222626942 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as, in the *.class files < 1222626948 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they got .jar :P < 1222626989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1222626989 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222627007 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, I tend to use doxygen rather than javadoc, but I don't code in java at all < 1222627024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh edoc too < 1222627031 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do Java for work. < 1222627032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but edoc is kind of slightly crazy < 1222627056 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the point was that you can have a file which is both a .jar and a .odt < 1222627057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably the most weird "generate documentation from source comments" system out there < 1222627069 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the jar-file IS the documentation too < 1222627072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, well yes of course both are zip < 1222627082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222627094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Microsoft's ooxml or whatever it was called also zip? < 1222627138 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1222627140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1222627147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jar/odt/docx polygot! < 1222627148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1222627154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OOXML is sufficiently badly specified that it can't really be calculated < 1222627158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible idea in every possible way < 1222627163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at what office 2007 does is one way to get some sort of clue < 1222627178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222627197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I hear the standard's about 7500 pages once all the corrections are applied < 1222627218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but what about a jar/odt/docx polygot? < 1222627223 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write the file in Office 07, OO.org and compile the code, then merge all the zips < 1222627224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably possible < 1222627227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the user select what format they want to open it as < 1222627248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the jar would contain a viewer for the same document as an applet or whatever < 1222627251 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.odtx! < 1222627260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, .jodtx < 1222627261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1222627272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .jadtx < 1222627287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't jadetex? exist. quite close to that ;) < 1222627299 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a great way to bundle documents, though < 1222627312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, you mean in many formats? < 1222627319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what other ZIP-pased formats can we polyglot with it? < 1222627324 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :create it as a jar-file which detects if you have Office or OO < 1222627328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should put a Makefile and some sources in there < 1222627332 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1222627348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well sure, but you would have to extract it first < 1222627365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well I don't know, but what about spreadsheet formats? or such < 1222627369 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but a .zip archive with Makefile and/or configure script is reasonably common < 1222627373 0 :oc2k1__!n=oc2k1@p5B1066F7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could probably select the zip encoding to create valid brainfuck < 1222627409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1222627412 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it opens the file using the installed program < 1222627415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with suboptimal compression then < 1222627416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not valid INTERCAL though < 1222627421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you could get it to start DONOT < 1222627423 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away. He may be some time. < 1222627424 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jodtxbf < 1222627481 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-24-48.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222627493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr, I don't know that for sure < 1222627500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just speculation < 1222627503 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1222627504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it might be possible < 1222627523 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a .odtx is actually a nice idea < 1222627531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, it's a horrible idea < 1222627539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ais523  < 1222627552 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: it's a nice hack < 1222627555 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like hacks < 1222627562 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I* < 1222627565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a horrible hack < 1222627577 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5" < 1222627580 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, no < 1222627588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOXML is horrible enough that it I don't like thinking about it < 1222627588 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spelled: beautiful! < 1222627594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's called OXML nowadays < 1222627599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dropped the "Office" from the name < 1222627613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as they don't try to get that as a standard... < 1222627614 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they are < 1222627625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ISO who changed the name < 1222627629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ugh < 1222627631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ugh < 1222627634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it's going to become an ISO standard < 1222627640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I hope they say no again < 1222627645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as the editors finish applying all the 2000 or so pages of changes < 1222627653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said yes the second time, in controversial circumstances < 1222627656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4 countries appealed < 1222627658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were ignored < 1222627691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1222627706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH everyone is ignoring the resulting standard < 1222627708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Microsofy < 1222627710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Microsoft < 1222627736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least MS have to follow it now IMO < 1222627743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't plan to < 1222627749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? < 1222627750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the current version of Office < 1222627758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are supporting ODF, though, in a service pack < 1222627765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't ask me, I'm not Microsoft < 1222627771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my guess is that it's because it's too difficult < 1222627772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222627797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they could have selected to use odf with custom extensions instead or something < 1222627802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be MS style < 1222627809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just plain odf would be better < 1222627816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long is the odf standard? < 1222627818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that's what they should do < 1222627823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: much shorter then the OOXML standard < 1222627826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll download it and have a look < 1222627874 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222627965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :738 pages < 1222627983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ODF 1.1 < 1222627987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the current version < 1222627996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's still a lot < 1222628002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/22154/OpenDocument-v1.1.odt < 1222628005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1222628009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's full of examples < 1222628020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C99 standard is 552 pages < 1222628025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to define all the attributes needed for 3 different sorts of documents < 1222628037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slightly bigger than C99 seems reasonable IMO < 1222628043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think C99 standard is huge < 1222628052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the scheme standard is way way smaller < 1222628055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than OOXML, though. < 1222628069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read that one version was like 50 pages or so < 1222628071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scheme standard is famous for being small, i think < 1222628081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was until the latest versions... < 1222628090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 thousand-something pages and counting... < 1222628103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 2000? < 1222628110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original version of OOXML was 6000 pages < 1222628116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 was the number of pages of /corrections/ that were suggested < 1222628126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1222628191 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point? < 1222628199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1222628200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOXML? < 1222628203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good question... < 1222628219 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6000 pages? is that actually necessary? < 1222628226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not, as ODF is a lot shorter < 1222628228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, they created a math markup language... < 1222628232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *no good reason*. < 1222628236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1222628240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that ODF relies on a whole lot of established standards, which is fine < 1222628248 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222628250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas OOXML re-invented most of ISO, by the look of it < 1222628258 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the alternatives weren't created by Microsoft... < 1222628275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a standard entirely created by one company is suspicious < 1222628313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have 3 different ways of specifying a table. < 1222628336 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway has chosen to use ODT, PDF & HTML for all official papers : -) < 1222628364 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty awesome < 1222628366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is also a vector graphics format. < 1222628377 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2007/12/norway-mandates-html-pdf-odf < 1222628394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: I knew about Norway, it's not the only country doing that < 1222628405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although #esoteric has sufficiently many Norwegians that perhaps it's the most relevant here < 1222628428 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really? < 1222628444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is Norwegian IIRC < 1222628451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1222628458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from somewhere I remember there was another < 1222628465 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves < 1222628475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I knew that one < 1222628481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is there a third, or is my memory playing up? < 1222628481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple < 1222628487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1222628503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the other countries that have adopted ODF... < 1222628509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's South Africa < 1222628537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Among other things, they created a math markup language... <-- mathml iirc? < 1222628542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1222628544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1222628549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MathML is a separate standard < 1222628551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ODF uses < 1222628552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that exists < 1222628556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OXML has its own math markup < 1222628558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nothing uses < 1222628561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK < 1222628562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1222628567 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OXML uses it... < 1222628567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what it was called < 1222628586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: actually all the equations in the original OOXML standard were JPEGs < 1222628595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, feel free to laugh, I am < 1222628617 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, JPEG <3 < 1222628626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG is not very good for equations... < 1222628649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and hard to edit < 1222628655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1222628669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I stick to LaTeX < 1222628687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODF is actually pretty good, I wrote a pro < 1222628689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so much more awesome for documents than even odf < 1222628694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance OpenOffice's macro language is rubish < 1222628697 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurry images are so cute! < 1222628699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,I wrote a pro// < 1222628713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wrote a program that just parsed the .ods file directly < 1222628718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't too hard to figure out < 1222628720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ods? < 1222628727 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheet? < 1222628728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheet format from ODF < 1222628732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1222628735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1222628742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.odt for documents, .ods for spreadsheets, .odp for presentations < 1222628744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for text I prefer LaTeX or even LyX < 1222628751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much much nicer to edit < 1222628761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODF compiles to LaTeX < 1222628764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not perfectly < 1222628769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think LaTeX is turing complete < 1222628771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right? < 1222628778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised < 1222628785 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is very nice < 1222628785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it got stdio too < 1222628785 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1222628789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the ICFP entries last year was written in TeX < 1222628799 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222628805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1222628808 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1222628810 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfp results yet? < 1222628811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used a non-esoteric latex program that generated a natbib style file < 1222628811 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbbbbbbbbbb < 1222628815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I'll check < 1222628816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was indeed coded in latex < 1222628830 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I think so. there was something at reddit a few days ago < 1222628836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet ais523 won < 1222628837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1222628837 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tex != latex < 1222628843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, they are < 1222628845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't win < 1222628850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what place were you < 1222628859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet < 1222628863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icfpcontest.org/results/ < 1222628866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me for asking instead of googling, but my system is already swap trashing so I don't want to start a browser: what is ICFP? < 1222628866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the same time I do < 1222628877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the ICFP contest is a programming contest < 1222628881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run every year < 1222628890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, what is special with it? < 1222628903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just relatively famous < 1222628908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attracts quite a lot of entries < 1222628915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing like obfuscation or such? < 1222628926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1222628929 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't a Java-team win something? < 1222628932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are strict time limits < 1222628935 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won* < 1222628945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they set a task description < 1222628963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have prizes for the best entry within 24 hours and the best three entries within 72 hours < 1222628967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was it the mars rover one? < 1222628969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1222628971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1222628972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes the IRTC was still running (yes, I know that has nothing to do with programming) < 1222628972 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-199-109.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1222628974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year < 1222628992 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1222629019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was eliminated at Lightning-8 and Final-9 < 1222629048 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX: http://sdh33b.blogspot.com/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html < 1222629050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch < 1222629071 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses Perl for network access, though < 1222629093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't put up all the details of the trials yet though < 1222629136 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall winner: Team Smartass wins again. Java is the programming language of choice for discriminating hackers. < 1222629158 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top 10 languages: Top 10 languages: Java, C++, Java, Haskell, Haskell, C , C++ , C , C++, C++ < 1222629169 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauce: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/735fx/live_from_icfp_2008_icfp_programming_contest/c05jyov < 1222629213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was such an obvious contest to use imperative languages on, thouhg < 1222629222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's meant to encourage functional programming... < 1222629454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you didn't even reach the top 10? < 1222629472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1222629474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'even' :-P < 1222629477 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which team? < 1222629478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you expect me to? < 1222629484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: I entered as ais523 < 1222629490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there wasn't anyone else in my team < 1222629619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222629629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I expected it as your app was good < 1222629631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1222629641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you showed me some code from it < 1222629651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so were many of the others < 1222629659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get some excellent programmers entering the ICFP contest < 1222629692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1222629901 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222629959 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-174.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1222630047 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1222630284 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1222630312 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1222630337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklo[plfko]* < 1222630352 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklocop < 1222630479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklo.* < 1222630502 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1222630643 0 :Corun!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222631008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdsfsfs < 1222631053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tusho < 1222631064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is an oklocop like a netcop? < 1222631074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been doing the same on here thing since 3pm and it is terminally boring < 1222631079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1222631282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: typing random letters into a channel? < 1222631287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1222631287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1222631289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come over to ##nomic and start up a conversation < 1222631298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy's there < 1222631589 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enforces murphy's law < 1222631708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches oklocop fail. at the worst possible time. < 1222631780 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did, ais523 clearly set up for a better pun than mine < 1222631799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wasn't setting up for a pun < 1222631801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting, a grounded recursive acronym: < 1222631803 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i had all the ingredients, murphy = law, cop = law, but i kinda blew it < 1222631816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'TTC - Stands for "The TTC Company"' < 1222631816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but referring to someone who was genuinely called murphy that both me and tusho know < 1222631825 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically just said "lol pun elements! look i found them myself" < 1222631840 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know that < 1222631850 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you ! -> < 1222631852 0 :oklocop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1222632251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1222632587 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1222632592 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ne regrettons pas le passé, ne nous préoccupons pas de l'avenir : le sage vit dans le présent." < 1222632682 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1222632686 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony is French? :o < 1222632840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mais oui < 1222632860 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This changes EVERYTHING!" < 1222632871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am too. < 1222632873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been discussing his quit messages before :) < 1222632881 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't there. < 1222632904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one was a new one i think < 1222634203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1222634209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is using 500 MB ram < 1222634216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one page open < 1222634218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple one < 1222634227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 I guess? < 1222634275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah < 1222634277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggests 3.0 < 1222634317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah except the downside: there is as far as I know yet no 1.5 style theme for it < 1222634354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webdesigns.ms11.net/winstripethemes.html ? < 1222634371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ported it to 3.0? < 1222634382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I googled that, is that it? < 1222634384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was some time ago I last checked < 1222634401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "almost" I think < 1222634405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use winstripe yes < 1222634420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1222634422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"winestripe" < 1222634430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, which haven't been updated < 1222634438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it is an adaption < 1222634470 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was linked from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3479 < 1222634470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linstripe seems good < 1222634485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however doesn't look exactly the same < 1222634499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, meh... my favoured theme doesn't exist for 3.0 either, but oh well < 1222634515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks a lot < 1222634516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantages of a good browser outweigh those of a good theme IMO :-P < 1222634537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I include "usable" in "good" < 1222634548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I argue both 2.0 and 3.0 themes are "not usable" < 1222634570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've tried all the existing themes, then? < 1222634576 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1222634579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "standard themes" < 1222634580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1222634585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1222634592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to use them < 1222634594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't < 1222634596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have < 1222634606 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the days of 0.4 I guess < 1222634606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well 1.5 standard theme rocked < 1222634610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is what I use < 1222634618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hehe I used opera back then iirc < 1222634657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1222634660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konq possibly < 1222634802 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-221-145.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1222634954 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-98-89-121.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1222635030 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssssss < 1222635040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what happened to thunderbird 3.0 btw? < 1222635092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean what happened? :-P < 1222635113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in development, alphas are out AFAIK < 1222635126 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the firefox 3 theme is usable & fine btw. < 1222635130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also /me uses webkit nightlies < 1222635377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1222635400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you forgot an important word there < 1222635414 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me guess < 1222635415 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'not' < 1222635431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the firefox 3 theme is usable & fine btw" << add "IMO", it is subjective, not some universal "truth" < 1222635449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine that you like it < 1222635450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1222635461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if we follow that route then everything everyone says has to end in IMO because everything humans say is subjective to themselves, IMO < 1222635463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is completely subjective < 1222635488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, depends, some things are objective. Like the speed of light < 1222635491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather relative < 1222635497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is absolute of course < 1222635507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else is relative it < 1222635515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's still IMO in that "it's what I've heard" < 1222635518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and believe" < 1222635530 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-092.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1222635550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, interesting, but don't you agree certain things, like taste, is more subjective than other things? < 1222635570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you recognize that was i say was subjective? < 1222635573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did. so there's no need to mark it < 1222635641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1222635988 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: green < 1222635995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ... < 1222636014 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: purple < 1222636028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: sky blue-pink < 1222636038 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: buffer overflow red < 1222636145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: polka-dot < 1222636234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: corduroy < 1222636250 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1222636254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1222636254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win < 1222636262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you win? < 1222636264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1222636268 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game < 1222636271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you just lost < 1222636273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I won it < 1222636291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev < 1222636313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! < 1222636316 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev is MY WORD < 1222636328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not < 1222636350 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1222636400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not mine either < 1222636401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whatev < 1222636523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph those explanations all miss the point < 1222636549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not because the word is cool, it's because you care _so_ little you don't bother to finish it... < 1222636599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1222636605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe < 1222636607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee < 1222636797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's finally on no. 11 < 1222636825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short version of the word whatever that lazy/stupid people use cause they THINK it sounds cool, but it's not. Only time it was cool is when Erin used it, and when she stopped it was deemed uncool. < 1222636829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the crap < 1222636830 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1222636861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes no. 11 up < 1222636874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who Erin is < 1222636884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some person who defines cool, obviously < 1222636886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not enough to google it < 1222636894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt you could find that by googling < 1222636936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indee < 1222636986 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa < 1222637002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indee is a record company < 1222637037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1222637056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why the vocalization? < 1222637061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds < 1222637077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why the consonance? < 1222637088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1222637117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where did i put that flyswatter... < 1222637179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chases after tusho ---## < 1222637187 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats flyswatter < 1222637191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gulp* < 1222637197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes < 1222637199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at oerjan blankly < 1222637228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shall we now do with the quit/join spammers, i ask you < 1222637235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222637235 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222637237 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637242 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222637244 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how predictable < 1222637254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222637256 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.120.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before you said that, did we have any quit/join spammers? < 1222637267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally < 1222637272 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its throttled < 1222637274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1222637299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls ais523 being one < 1222637325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, that isn't deliberate, it's my connection messing up < 1222637331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1222637333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not much I can do about it apart from not joining the channel < 1222637338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means unintentional ones < 1222637400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intentional ones, we ban. < 1222637427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would, if lament were around < 1222637447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't fizzie an op too? < 1222637475 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you an op? < 1222637481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1222637494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an op? < 1222637495 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you installed mandrake, right? < 1222637565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You are an op. < 1222637565 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222637565 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I actually did it because I couldn't understand parts of Turing's article < 1222637593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1222637613 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: prove it < 1222637668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your opular powers to kick me < 1222637693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a popular ower < 1222637716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1222637723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lament ... do we have ops that actually do things < 1222637723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1222637754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen actual spammers handled < 1222637757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I already ban you once when you said you wanted it? Or have I just been imagining things again? < 1222637782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: knowing tusho, that seems extremely statistically likely < 1222637806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you did, yeah. < 1222637810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all we got out of that one was few minutes of pointlessness, unsurprisingly. < 1222637840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait a minute, shouldn't that have _increased_ signal to noise ratio? < 1222637845 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was fun! i was the brother that doesn't exist. < 1222637863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were the brother?! Shocking! < 1222637870 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shi- < 1222637871 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222637883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. i think i remember that. not that you were banned first though... < 1222637891 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: better ban me now... < 1222637893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for impersonation < 1222637906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you impersonate someone who doesn't exist? < 1222637908 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222637922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1222637925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1222637936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Judofyr could use a swatting < 1222637947 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was done twice actually < 1222637951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same brother-routine each time < 1222637954 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once by lament once by fizzie < 1222637957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks tusho in the stomach, causing him to throw the swatter up at Judofyr  < 1222637976 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1222637989 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is like a esoteric languange http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86466/ < 1222637993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION places a large net in the middle of the situation, causing it to become a lot more confusing and amusing < 1222638016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: that doesn't look all that eso to me < 1222638196 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: I would expect more of Scheme than that: (html (head (title "My Title) ) (body (h1 "My Site") (p "Welcome!"))) < 1222638207 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're talking :-) < 1222638232 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: its my first program with Guile < 1222638239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judofyr: but can you define html, head, title, body, h1, and p, in two lines? :-) < 1222638258 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I demand method_missing! < 1222638269 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: very easy < 1222638269 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: nice! I've always wanted to try Scheme.. < 1222638270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have something like < 1222638275 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Scheme can do that < 1222638280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(run-html `(p "hello" ,(+ 2 2))) < 1222638283 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parse it as lists < 1222638290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, yeah. < 1222638294 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially write a mini interp < 1222638301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: if it's two lines and very easy, just do it live ;-) < 1222638397 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played with the idea to use a Java API to parse the DTD in JRuby in order to generate Ragel code which generated C which should be used in Ruby, so you can't do stuff like body { title "Hello!" } < 1222638455 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :validating & generation XML on-the-go :-) < 1222638465 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating* < 1222638494 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | dang! < 1222638506 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1222638508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good reaction < 1222638510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you've been very brief lately < 1222638511 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at least i haven't managed to mess anything yet < 1222638521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yet. < 1222638522 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I get it. < 1222638524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: that's debatable, look at fungot for instance < 1222638524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fnord fnord __ a____. < 1222638525 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a lot cleaner than common lisp, though. < 1222638536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, fungot xDD < 1222638537 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can't return the value < 1222638543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best line yet < 1222638644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnord you, fungot < 1222638645 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: include() is pretty fnord.) < 1222638650 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1222638849 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, I failed :( < 1222638877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, fungot: help him! < 1222638877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's a fnord... so far they seem to have this kind of meeting, never mind < 1222638878 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah found it < 1222638909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot seems a bit paranoid to me < 1222638909 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yet euclid's proof is considered one of the controls in a gui < 1222638941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fungot might be Gene Ray in disguise < 1222638942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so if we can get riastradh to beat you about the irc protocol < 1222638942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: yet euclid's proof is considered one of the controls in a gui < 1222638942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ' re already dead". < 1222638944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1222638968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean it isn't? < 1222638988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not in Win32, anyway, not sure about other GUIs < 1222638993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe fungot is too coherent for that < 1222638993 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: paradigm sounds better though :) < 1222639047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is it about you and fnords? < 1222639048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before the copypasta. i bet you someone will make a brainfube. < 1222639051 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1222639194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfube? < 1222639689 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my extended http://paste.pocoo.org/show/86468/ < 1222639712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: typo on line 20 < 1222639735 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@host81-154-61-144.range81-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1222639978 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1222639980 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1222640410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1222640707 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1222640717 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-053.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1222641951 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1222641968 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1222642650 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222642682 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222643059 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1222643232 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. Sì, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi." < 1222645166 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1222645203 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1222645930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(1)DOCOMEFROM".2~.2"~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1""