00:01:22 CakeProphet: it's possible if the language is reversible. 00:09:21 -!- GregorR has joined. 00:11:28 -!- tritonio__ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:13:04 GregorR, it is it "gregor er" or "Gregor arr" 00:13:26 ... R is the initial of my surname, it's Gregor R. 00:13:48 So, "Gregor arr" ... sort of. 00:13:48 ir perhaps it is a purr 00:13:51 like Gregorrrrrrrr 00:13:58 Then it wouldn't be capitalized :P 00:14:28 psh, I only care about capitalization when I'm programming. 00:17:55 And yet you're correctly capitalizing 'I' :P 00:24:43 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:37:47 -!- GregorR has quit ("Leaving"). 00:38:05 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 00:41:35 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | well then you would have made a super-turing machine, obviously :). 00:55:13 -!- twistle has joined. 00:56:25 I just invented an esoteric language. 00:56:59 It's called TRUE(a reference to FALSE), and I'd like someone to clean up the wiki page for me 00:57:39 Also, whatcha think of it? 00:57:43 :) 01:15:14 Ello. 01:17:06 Just what do "add 'n pop" and such do? 01:18:01 Also, it doesn't look Turing-complete, as the only storage you have is a stack; I think using a queue instead of a stack would make it both Turing-complete and harder to use. :-) 01:27:31 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:30:01 a single stack is not sufficient 01:30:04 for TCness 01:37:42 aw, phooey 01:38:06 add n' pop means: 01:38:12 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 01:38:41 add the two values on top of the stack, pop them, then push the result on 01:38:54 uh.. 01:38:54 what? 01:38:59 that makes no sense 01:39:20 do you mean pop-pop-add-push? 01:39:25 because you cant add then pop 01:39:29 thats not how stacks work 01:39:37 no, 01:40:00 the stack goes from 1 2 to 3 01:40:04 right 01:40:08 thats pop pop add push 01:40:17 the + operation in forth, for instance 01:40:33 pops the top two values from the stack, adds them together, and then pushes the sum back onto the stack. 01:40:48 Exactly what this does 01:40:51 yes 01:40:55 but why name it backwards? 01:41:05 ? 01:41:14 it doesnt add the two values then pop them 01:41:22 it pops them first 01:41:25 then adds them 01:41:45 besides, why call it and and pop at all, why not just add? 01:43:09 And what do rb and ra. do, exactly? 01:43:24 "Subtract two numbers and tell me the result" is ambiguous. 01:47:52 a b is the stack 01:48:00 b is at the top 01:48:18 rb would be b/a 01:50:16 same order in ra. 01:50:50 I added a hello world, by the way 01:52:00 so ra would be a/b? 01:54:36 I think rb is b-a and ra. is b/a, or the other way around. 01:54:46 Where b is the top element on the stack and a is under it. 01:55:12 then why not called them sub and div, respectively 01:55:19 or - and / 01:56:57 Because it's esoteric. :-) 01:57:05 no its not, its forth! 01:58:25 someone should make a Fauxeteric language maker that will take a random normal language and assign random names and symbols to built in function names and keywords 01:58:31 maybe even syntactic items. 01:58:35 No, it has the Tan Rabbi Up Eckhebber format, because it's simple, and yet esoteric. :) 01:58:53 Sounds fun 01:59:09 LISP can become :fos^jdk`` 01:59:19 instead of (- my-var) 01:59:20 ! 01:59:24 it'll be brilliant! 01:59:37 ZOMG ITS ESOTERIC 02:00:32 You, sir, have just had what we folks call an "esopiphany" 02:00:51 you sir dont get that im mocking you. 02:01:08 You sir.............................. 02:01:10 ................. 02:01:37 * twistle becomes suddenly interested in his shoelaces 02:02:51 BTW, Did anyone notice in the "documentation" goto go_collect200dollars? 02:03:14 Originally it was going to be goto jail 02:03:53 There's a nice ring to tntntntntntntntntnup.Hello world!u.pup 02:04:39 I feel fat, and sassy 02:06:36 Ha! Your seat are untied! 02:08:01 \fsd 02:08:09 \v.ds\.f,s\,\f\d 02:08:18 * twistle shuts down 02:09:15 Well, I'm off to the land of oz...I mean zig... 02:10:23 Anyone is free to change the wiki page and morph TRUE into a completely different language 02:10:44 -!- twistle has quit ("sleeping. zzzzz..."). 02:21:54 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 02:42:26 -!- CakeProphet_ has joined. 02:51:07 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 03:43:48 -!- CakeProphet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:44:17 -!- CakeProphet_ has joined. 03:44:22 -!- CakeProphet_ has changed nick to CakeProphet. 04:15:27 GCC extends the C language with a unary && operator that returns the address of a label. This address can be stored in a void* variable type and may be used later in a goto instruction. For example, the following prints "hi " in an infinite loop: 04:15:30 oh lawd 04:15:48 so many arcane rules to C syntax. 04:18:04 C is lame. 04:19:28 I like C in some ways. 04:19:31 it's a terrible language design, but 04:19:48 I enjoy its low-levelness 04:20:09 (I'm sure if I were familiar with assembly I'd love its low-levelness more) 04:23:18 ...honestly 04:23:20 I think 04:23:25 a replacement for C would be nice. 04:23:41 something that occupies the same niche, but it is actually a "better" language. 04:38:41 Is a language considered low-level if and only if the most obvious way to compile it is also the most efficient? 04:40:01 low level is a relative vague term 04:40:13 for instance, a lot of people would say that Java is low level compared to Lisp. 04:41:29 Is there a point where a language is too high-level to be considered a programming language rather than a description language? 04:42:12 hahah... HTML? 04:42:27 HTML doesn't describe the behavior of a program. 04:42:35 ah... 04:42:41 I thought by "description language" you meant 04:42:46 a language that... described something. 04:42:51 Like a program. 04:43:57 From what I understand, I believe low-level means that the data structures and operators are in some way or another closely tied to their implementation in hardware. 05:35:15 dogface: do you mean description language as in 05:35:27 some language in which you define a problem, not an algorithm? 05:35:46 because if so, that sounds a lot like logic and constraint programming. 05:36:11 Yep, that's what Imean. 05:36:21 well those are just different programming paradigms 05:36:25 Time for me to go to bed. Good night. 05:36:25 they're still programming tho 05:36:31 just different primitive operations 05:36:42 I haven't seen it taken as far as I'm taking it. 05:36:46 infact, not terribly different really. 05:36:52 dogface: example of your extremes? 05:36:59 Though it's likely Z-notation is exactly what I'm after. 05:37:18 Well, ideally, it'll be perfectly easy to translate ZFC into this language. 05:37:18 i'll notate your z's 05:37:20 ;O 05:37:27 Thank you. :-) 05:37:27 ZFC? 05:37:41 * dogface begins catching (yes, ZFC) his Zs 05:38:04 zermelo-fraenkel set theory? 05:38:14 i think Prolog can do that easily 05:38:16 Yes. 05:38:21 Show me. 05:38:50 im not sure how it would, but i think it can 05:39:29 maybe. prolog is all based around horn clauses, so the notation will be kind of less standard than, say, normal first order logic, etc. 06:05:07 -!- CakeProphet_ has joined. 06:22:54 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 06:25:41 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:29:57 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 06:41:35 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 'python netpong.py thathostname' => clien. 06:58:12 -!- CakeProphet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:58:20 -!- CakeProphet_ has joined. 06:58:27 -!- CakeProphet_ has changed nick to CakeProphet. 07:46:37 ^bfcmd 07:46:38 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc 07:46:56 ^rot13 Hello World! 07:47:04 hmm... i think not. 07:47:20 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:47:24 -!- puzzlet has joined. 07:47:59 Uryyb Jbeyq!.. ...out of time! 07:48:31 that is the slowest crap ever. 07:48:46 ^bfself 07:54:22 Well, it's a completely unoptimized ~12x70-character brainfuck interpreter that's running in a befunge interpreter. Cut it some slack. 07:55:24 It will probably be an order of magnitude faster once I get the "compiles bf to bytecode and combines consecutive +-<>" version done. 07:59:40 -!- Judofyr has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:25 -!- asiekierka has joined. 08:01:32 Hello 08:01:49 ^bfcmd 08:01:50 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc 08:01:52 :O 08:01:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 08:02:06 ^dvorak qwerty 08:02:14 It will run out of time. 08:02:23 yay, you're alive 08:02:34 also, any ideas what caused the problem(s)? 08:02:38 or 08:02:40 i meant 08:02:45 are there any bugs in fungotBF 08:03:09 ...out of time! 08:03:40 No clear bugs that I know of. It has the "zero on eof" behaviour which is perhaps not that common, and is slow as molasses, but those are more like features. 08:04:09 the zero on eof is not a bug, but a feature, for sure 08:04:17 Because it's really easy to use 0 on eof, actually 08:04:27 [(code lasting until eof here)] 08:04:33 1 on eof and no change is tons harder 08:04:52 Especially no change on eof 08:05:05 I'm going to replace the current unoptimized interpreter with one that compiles the brainfuck first to bytecode (combining runs of +-<>) and interprets that. It will probably be quite a bit faster. 08:05:12 :) 08:05:24 By bytecode, do you mean befungecode or executable? 08:05:41 If executable, you shouldn't. Really. 08:05:46 Just a string of fungespace values, just easier to interpret. 08:05:47 If befungecode, you should. Really. 08:05:50 oh 08:06:10 I must run a BF self-interp on BFirc 08:06:34 BFirc (latest revision) outputs a #13#10 after every message 08:06:35 Yay. 08:06:54 Thanks to it, Taking Over The World... works. :P 08:11:19 I wonder how to make a BF ircbot that's good. 08:11:44 BFirc basically inputs from a buffer and outputs to a buffer 08:11:59 if #10 is output, it copies whatever's in the buffer as an irc message 08:12:16 #13 is blocked 08:12:20 so both #13#10 and #10 work 08:12:21 :) 08:12:42 And who the heck uses #13 only should be thrown to the depths of hell. Twice. 08:15:32 ^bf +.[+.] 08:15:32 .............................. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏ ... 08:17:00 when would it is interrupted? 08:17:05 be* 08:20:12 ^bfcmd 08:20:12 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc 08:20:28 ^bfcmd rot13 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv 08:21:05 zzzZZZzzz 08:21:11 zzzZZZzzzZZZzzz... xD 08:22:39 ^rot13 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv 08:23:00 ^bfcmd 08:23:01 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc 08:23:19 oh wait a minute 08:23:20 :( 08:23:23 ^bfcmd rot13 08:23:23 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv 08:23:28 Yayz, i broke my function 08:23:32 Let me re-add it. *sigh* 08:23:38 ^bfcmd echo hello 08:23:50 You broke echo too now 08:24:02 ^bfcmd rot13 +[,+[-[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]+>>++++++++[<-------->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]<[<++> 08:24:03 >>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>>++++++++[<------- 08:24:03 ->-]<->>++++[<++++++++>-]<-<[>>>+<<[>+>[-]<<-]>[<+>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>++++[<++++++++ 08:24:03 >-]>-]<<-<-]>[<<<<[-]>>>>[<<<<->>>>-]]<<++++[<<++++++++>>-]<<-[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+ 08:24:04 :( 08:24:59 now i get it 08:24:59 ^bfcmd rot13 +[,+[-[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]+>>++++++++[<-------->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>>++++++++[<-------->-]<->>++++[<++++++++>-]<-<[>>>+<<[>+>[-]<<-]>[<+>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>++++[<++++++++>-]>-]<<-<-]>[<<<<[-]>>>>[<<<<->>>>-]]<<++++[<<++++++++>>-]<<-[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+ 08:25:00 ^bfcmd rot13 +[,+[-[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]+>>++++++++[<-------->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>>++++++++[<-------->-]<->>++++[<++++++++>-]<-<[>>>+<<[>+>[-]<<-]>[<+>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>++++[<++++++++>-]>-]<<-<-]>[<<<<[-]>>>>[<<<<->>>>-]]<<++++[<<++++++++>>-]<<-[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]+>>+++++[<- 08:25:07 YOU BROKE IT AGAIN 08:25:08 :( 08:25:09 sry 08:25:16 ^bfcmd rot13 +[,+[-[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]+>>++++++++[<-------->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>>++++++++[<-------->-]<->>++++[<++++++++>-]<-<[>>>+<<[>+>[-]<<-]>[<+>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>++++[<++++++++>-]>-]<<-<-]>[<<<<[-]>>>>[<<<<->>>>-]]<<++++[<<++++++++>>-]<<-[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]+>>+++++[<- 08:25:19 ^bfadd rot13 ---->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]+>------------[<[-]>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<<<------------->>[[-]+++++[<<+++++>>-]<<+>>]<[>++++[<<++++++++>>-]<-]>]<[-]++++++++[<++++++++>-]<+>]<.[-]+>>+<]>[[-]<]<] 08:25:25 Couldn't you just do THIS? 08:25:33 ^rot13 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv 08:25:40 ^bfcmd rot13 08:25:54 It's busy, can't you see 08:26:37 ^bfcmd funkecho ,[>,.<.,] 08:26:38 nopqrstuvwxyza ...out of time! 08:26:38 +[,+[-[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]+>>++++++++[<-------->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>>++++++++[<-------->-]<->>++++[<++++++++>-]<-<[>>>+<<[>+>[-]<<-]>[<+>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>++++[<++++++++>-]>-]<<-<-]>[<<<<[-]>>>>[<<<<->>>>-]]<<++++[<<++++++++>>-]<<-[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]+>>+++++[<----->-]<-[<[-]>>>+[<+<->>-]<[>+<-]<[<++>>>+[<+<+>>-]<[>+<-]]>[<]<]>>[-]<<<[[-]<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]+>------------[<[-]>>>+[<+<-> 08:26:59 ^bfcmd 08:27:00 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc funkecho 08:27:27 ^funkecho Get it now? ^bfcmd and ^bfadd are so useful on irc. 08:27:27 eG ttin wo ?b^cfdma dn^ fbda dra eosu esuf lnoi cr.. 08:28:02 got it 08:28:03 ^funkecho eG ttin wo ?b^cfdma dn^ fbda dra eosu esuf lnoi cr.. 08:28:03 Get it now? ^bfcmd and ^bfadd are so useful on irc.. 08:28:07 :) 08:28:14 Hopefully. 08:28:48 is echo [,.>]? 08:28:57 ^bfcmd echo 08:28:58 hello 08:29:01 ^bfcmd partialecho 08:29:02 >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] 08:29:14 ^partialecho testestestestestestestestestestestest 08:29:15 since i gotta fix it back 08:29:15 testestestestestestestestestestestest testestestestestestestestestestestest 08:29:22 Echo == Partialecho 08:29:40 Yes, I just used partialecho for testing the multi-segment program thing. 08:30:35 ^bfcmd echo >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>[.>] 08:31:28 ^bfcmd kill ++++++++[>++++>+++++++++<<-]>>+++.--.+++..<.>>,[.,]<<+. 08:31:36 ^kill optbot 08:31:36 asiekierka: i'm not actually sure whether you can just do infix alone with my current implementation... would be kinda sucky if you couldn't :P 08:31:36 KILL optbot! 08:31:37 fungot: don't look at me i didn't do it 08:31:46 xD 08:32:20 ^kill THE MAN! YEAH, KILL THE MAN 08:32:21 KILL THE MAN! YEAH, KILL THE MAN! 08:32:38 Another pointlesssssssssssssssssss commandddd.d.d.dddd.dd Added. 08:32:52 ^rev tobtpo 08:32:52 optbot 08:32:52 fungot: hard to say, youngest from the active ones. 08:33:20 ^kill OPTBOT. Yeah, optbot. Hide from the nuclear bombsssssssssss 08:33:20 asiekierka: I think I continue more than I break 08:33:21 KILL OPTBOT. Yeah, optbot. Hide from the nuclear bombsssssssssss! 08:33:21 fungot: I think I got the BF indenter working 08:33:31 -!- jemarch has quit ("ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.1.1.1 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). 08:33:43 You know 08:33:47 i have an evil idea 08:33:51 -!- jemarch has joined. 08:34:32 ^bf +++++[->+++++++++++++++<]>.[-]<+++[->++++++++++++++++++++++++<]>+.[-]<++++++[->++++++++++++<]>++++.[-]<++++++[->++++++++++++<]>++++.[-]<++[->++++++++++++++++<]>.[-]<+++++++++[->++++++++<]>+++++++.[-]<++++[->++<]>[->++++++++++<]>.[-]<++++[->+++++++++++++++++++++<]>.[-]<++++++[->+++++++++++<]>.[-]<+++++++++[->++++++++<]>+++++++.[-]<++++[->+++++++++++++++++++++<]>.[-]<+[->++++++++++<]>. 08:34:32 KILL OPTBOT. 08:34:33 fungot: hi 08:36:20 ^bfcmd test1 ++++++++[>++++++>++++++++++++++>++++++++++++<<<-]>-.>.>+.<++.++. 08:36:22 ^test1 08:36:22 /part 08:36:26 ...uh 08:36:31 That wasn't supposed to happen 08:36:37 ^bfdel test1 08:36:39 ^bfcmd 08:36:40 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc funkecho kill rev test1 08:37:00 There's no command-deletion as of yet. But you can always reuse command names by redefining them. 08:37:12 ^bfcmd bfcmd +[] 08:37:15 haha 08:37:17 ^bfcmd 08:37:18 Registered: reverb echo partialecho rot13 bfself dvorak bertram wc funkecho kill rev test1 bfcmd 08:37:20 No wait 08:37:23 not so good 08:37:29 It will apply built-in commands first. 08:37:32 :/ 08:37:39 You don't have a bug yet, do you/ 08:38:00 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:38:05 There have been quite a lot of bugs. And ! is handled pretty unintuitively in macros. 08:38:08 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 08:38:15 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:38:19 ^bfcmd test1 ,[.,]!foo 08:38:21 ^test1 bar 08:38:22 foo!bar 08:38:51 You know 08:38:59 Should i get to making my Brainf**k IRCbot? 08:39:22 Sure, why not? 08:39:31 it'll be a... PAIN. :( 08:42:21 I wonder what's the easiest way to do a check whether a character is equal... to something. 08:42:35 in BF. 08:42:41 For example, 95. 08:42:43 96* 08:42:56 But i'll need more checks later on :P 08:47:14 Oh my god, wha----WHY I thought of this BFirc thing? 08:47:22 This is going to be a pain 08:47:28 and nobody will care anyway. :P 08:48:21 in brainfuck? subtract 96 from it and check if it's zero 08:48:27 Heh. 08:48:42 I thought of using a flag to overcome some stuff. 08:48:46 As in 08:48:49 I set the flag to 1 08:48:51 subtract 96 08:48:57 If it's nonzero 08:48:59 [>-<] 08:49:06 Then go to the flag 08:49:10 [code] 08:49:36 My commands will be oneletter. 08:49:37 as in 08:49:39 not `bfcmd 08:49:41 but `b 08:49:46 or something 08:58:17 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 09:17:02 Hmm 09:17:36 You sound like an electric line. 09:17:47 I'm thinking about my BF code 09:17:53 Who isn't. 09:18:05 Everyone isn't 09:18:08 No-one cares. 09:19:46 -!- puzzlet has joined. 09:19:56 Nope 09:20:07 I wonder how to do a [ ] if the current cell is 0\ 09:20:13 I was thinking about using a flag 09:20:16 Bleh, not as easy 09:20:24 as i thought 09:20:47 I must check if cell2 is nonzero, if it is, zero cell4. 09:21:06 Then, in both nonzero and zero cases, it should point at cell4 09:21:13 Cell4=1 09:22:38 IF CELL2 != 1 09:22:39 ZERO CELL 4 09:22:39 GO TO CELL 4 09:22:39 ELSE 09:22:39 GO TO CELL 4 09:22:45 Something like this but in BF 09:24:03 Any ideas? 09:24:18 8-bit cells, do wraparound 09:24:18 unsigned 09:29:12 ^bfcmd rot13 ,+[-->++++[>++++++++<-]<[->+>-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<<]>>[-]>>--[-[> 09:29:13 -<[-]]]>+[-<+++++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>[-]+>[<-- 09:29:13 >-[<+>-]]<[<<<<+++++++++++++>>>>-]]<<[-]<<+.[-]<,+] 09:29:21 ^bfadd rot13 -<[-]]]>+[-<+++++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>[-]+>[<-- 09:29:26 ^bfadd rot13 >-[<+>-]]<[<<<<+++++++++++++>>>>-]]<<[-]<<+.[-]<,+] 09:29:38 ^rot13 i hope this works faster, actually 09:30:27 ^bfcmd bubblesort >>>>>,+[>>>,+]<<<[<<<[>>>[-<<<-<+>[>]>>]<<<[<]>>[>>>+<<<-]<[>+>>>+<<<<-]<<]>>>[-.[-]]>>>[>>>]<<<] 09:30:53 v ubcr guvf jbexf snfgre, npghnyyl............................................................................................................................... ...out of time! 09:31:33 yes, it does do more, but the dots, the DOTS 09:31:38 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:31:41 ^sort asiekierkabuhh 09:31:45 ^bubblesort asiekierkabuhh 09:32:14 What does "asiekierkabuhh" mean 09:32:50 ...out of time! 09:33:13 Does it? 09:33:47 hopefully 09:34:50 ^bubblesort cba 09:35:55 ...out of time! 09:36:27 ^bubblesort a 09:37:31 ...out of time! 09:38:01 ^bertram 29334 09:38:29 Also, BF ircbot is a real chawwenge 09:38:50 Especially w/o a {} (whilezero) loop 09:39:12 ...out of time! 09:40:02 ^bertram 1 09:41:12 ...out of time! 10:23:52 ^bf +[] 10:24:04 >_______________________________________< 10:24:56 <"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""> 10:25:24 ...out of time! 10:25:42 It's still the good old interpreter, I haven't even reloaded yet, and the user commands need to be done. 10:43:27 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Jesus loves you"). 10:46:39 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 11:22:13 -!- fungot has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:25:58 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:27:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:00:45 -!- LinuS has joined. 12:19:24 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:20:51 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 12:31:05 -!- fungot has joined. 12:32:01 Well, according to fib.b, the new interpreter seems to be at least a bit faster than the previous one. But currently fungot has only ^bf, not the command-definition things, since I haven't reimplemented those yet. 12:32:06 ^bf >++++++++++>+>+[[+++++[>++++++++<-]>.<++++++[>--------<-]+<<<]>.>>[[-]<[>+<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>[-]>+>+<<<-[>+<-]]]]]]]]]]]+>>>]<<<] 12:32:08 0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55.89.144.233.377.610.987.1597.2584.4181.6765.10946.17711.28657.46368.75025.121393.196418.317811.514229.832040.1346269.2178309.3524578.5702887.9227465.14930352.24157817.39088169.632459e ... 12:41:35 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | eggs with chipotle sauce. 13:08:36 asiekierka: Especially w/o a {} (whilezero) loop <<< you can substitute { and } for short pieces of bf code to do a whilezero loop just before running 13:08:43 err 13:08:55 substitute substitute's params there with each other 13:38:14 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 14:08:55 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:51:06 optbot: kill 14:51:06 KingOfKarlsruhe: By some guy, I mean NASA 14:51:20 optbot: hello 14:51:20 KingOfKarlsruhe: MISC VM? 14:51:26 optbot: yes 14:51:26 KingOfKarlsruhe: hehehe... I see wierd though. I never knew someone wrote Hello World in Wierd. 14:51:42 optbot: true 14:51:42 KingOfKarlsruhe: note that it must not read/write the shell std streams 14:53:49 -!- jix has joined. 15:40:32 -!- dogface has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:45:25 -!- twistle has joined. 15:48:09 how would you go about making a non-bootstrapping bf quine 15:48:12 ? 15:49:01 what does that mean 15:49:31 A BF program which prints its own source, 15:49:40 and does not require any input 15:50:02 err so no-bootstrapping meant nothing 15:50:05 it's simple 15:50:11 i can explain the common method 15:51:33 Och aye! 15:51:37 basically, the idea is, we create a piece of code that takes *encoded* program source as "argument", in bf's case it's on the tape when this program is run. it then prints this encoded source as bf code generating that data, then prints the source the encoded source represents 15:51:44 now, we take this program, and we encode it 15:51:53 -!- MikeRiley has joined. 15:51:58 we then take the encoded source, and the actual source, and we concatenate them. 15:52:18 Hi, stranger 15:52:24 does this do you any good? i can do it with examples, in case you need something more concrete 15:52:28 MikeRiley isn't a stranger 15:52:32 more of a regular nowadays 15:52:38 He is to me 15:52:38 befunge-98's creator, afaik 15:52:42 yes, most likely 15:52:47 Oh... 15:52:54 seriously? 15:52:57 or at least trying to be a regular!! eheheheh 15:53:11 Rc/Funge-98's creator actually 15:53:37 well you have such distinguishing mannerisms you are quite easy to spot, which makes you feel regular quite fast :) 15:53:45 Rc? 15:53:47 eeheheheheh 15:53:52 eeeehhhehehehehehe 15:53:55 indeed :) 15:54:22 twistle: seriously what? 15:54:35 seriously its creator, yes, and also seriously that is your quine 15:54:37 yeah,,,i never can hide from people...change names and people still know who i am!!! eheheheh 15:55:34 heh 15:56:19 Can you give an annotated example?(Of a BF quine?) 15:56:37 oklopol: not the creator of the language, of the first interpreter though 15:56:48 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:57:25 Deewiant: i see. thought both the language and the interp 15:57:41