< 1216512032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from this i think its relatively trivial to reduce this to a non-ring based system < 1216512041 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: until you get to flow. < 1216512045 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the ring positions are unaffected by operations. < 1216512071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i dont understannd PAdd < 1216512129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you understand it < 1216512135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming i understand it < 1216512164 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see anything that says what padd does. < 1216512169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1216512175 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not padd itself but the program position pointer. < 1216512274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect from the spec of a "Turning tarpit" < 1216512286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ppp the bit of the source thats currently being read? < 1216512286 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think thats intentional. < 1216512295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1216512296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i would say so. < 1216512297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang :D < 1216512299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a pc is < 1216512300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1216512308 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: think about it < 1216512311 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you TURN the wheel < 1216512312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? < 1216512313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning tarpit < 1216512328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1216512335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1216512352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop rubbing it in my face, that was the stupidest mistake i've made in a month < 1216512354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, i dont see why this is so terribly interesting. < 1216512360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it's not < 1216512368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not-gimmicky. < 1216512376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not sure what you mean by that < 1216512397 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way in which PAdd and If can affect flow unpredictably is when you jump to a position thats in the middle of an instruction that itself was for something else. < 1216512406 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216512421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: because moving the wheel is extra insructions < 1216512423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to account for that < 1216512425 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by adding on < 1216512428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires more instructions < 1216512428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1216512432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moving the wheel doesnt affect where you jump to. < 1216512440 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does in that regard, yes. < 1216512443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. to do arithmetic on the jump address. < 1216512447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or conditionals on it < 1216512474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in that respect moving the wheels can be tricky. < 1216512479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the wheel is a gimmick. < 1216512491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: most things are gimmicks < 1216512496 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one happens to make a certain area - jumping - harder < 1216512498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like most things. < 1216512499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite interesting < 1216512504 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing has to be the end of the world in new paradigm form < 1216512508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mildly interesting for that one trait < 1216512512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not interesting if its a gimmick. < 1216512517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats just me. < 1216512530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shut up, you're just fucking with terminology now < 1216512563 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we can pile gimmick on top of gimmick until the language is so impossible to code in that it requires a novel the length of war and peace just to store a single number into the current register < 1216512571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesnt make it interesting. < 1216512578 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it pointlessly gimmicky. < 1216512586 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not what wheel is. < 1216512591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is. < 1216512598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216512600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not and you're being an idiot < 1216512601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1216512605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the wheel, you no longer have the monumental "omg the wheel fucks it all up!" thing < 1216512628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i think ill apply that to reactance < 1216512632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen a bijection yet < 1216512642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the reactance programming, you no longer have the monumental ! < 1216512646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reactance is gimmicky and sucks! < 1216512652 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't. work. < 1216512653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can apply that reactions and you're correct. reactance ISNT supposed to be interesting. < 1216512667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so its meant to be boring and plain < 1216512671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why the fuck are you bothering with it < 1216512704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i like designing languages. < 1216512717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a reason i dont spam about reactance and try to keep it to separate rooms. < 1216512722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you forget about that? < 1216512724 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1216512738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sorry for filling this room with conversation < 1216512749 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its much nicer when its dead < 1216512750 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversation about stupid shit is not conversation worth having. < 1216512761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216512762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: excuse me, you are in #esoteric. < 1216512765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was much nicer when we were actually discussing interesting things like "negative lists" < 1216512772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name aside < 1216512773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: get the sand off your vagina < 1216512788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'd say that since you spend half the time talking about gay sex, psygnisfive, that's pretty stupid shit that's not worth talking about on an irc channel related to esoteric programming languages < 1216512790 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I know < 1216512816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that's not fair, he occasionally fights with you and calls you names. < 1216512825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's true < 1216512828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mocks her for her age and gender. < 1216512829 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marginally more productive, i guess < 1216512853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216512861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry, i just find it terribly frustrating that the sum total of esoteria is the same shit over and over < 1216512868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteria? < 1216512870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterica? < 1216512876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the point. < 1216512892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not aware of any other language using a rotating instruction wheel and the implications on control flow it has < 1216512900 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you don't personally find it a very interesting idea doesnt' mean that it sucks < 1216512906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means that you're interested in other things. < 1216512918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, psygnisfive, are you saying graphica isn't an awesome idea? < 1216512924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wheel is a gimmick, as we've already established. < 1216512928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphica is fucking perfect, man. < 1216512940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the wheel, the implications for control are reduced drastically, if not entirely. < 1216512952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind that TWO wheels is entirely superfluous as well. < 1216512956 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: gimmicks can lead to interesting ideas. tons of interesting esolangs come from gimmicks. it doesn't suck just because it builds stuff upon a gimmick and finds an interesting implication < 1216512959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent looked at graphica. < 1216512977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then it's just a computed goto, which is something not really any language has as the only way to do flow control < 1216512979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see any interesting implications coming out of the wheels. < 1216513003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i haven't heard about other than err bob (?) and yabc < 1216513006 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's fine. that doesn't mean we haven't, and it doesn't mean you should go on a huge rant about how much it sucks < 1216513009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than having to be purposelessly mindful of the number of operations to use. < 1216513013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, cmon, think about that < 1216513029 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part of the language is that you have to fight with the language to get it to work. < 1216513056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see most interest in developing stuff for wheel that escapes the high-level tokenization you assume everyone will do for it < 1216513059 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes. that can lead to intersting ideas < 1216513061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you like it or not < 1216513065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it takes two people to argue. i said it was gimmicky. if you'd just said "yeah but so what" we wouldnt be here, would we. < 1216513072 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1216513074 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho < 1216513077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that WAS the interesting idea < 1216513089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didnt lead to one, it WAS one < 1216513090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting idea that comes out of it is the implication on its only form of control flow. < 1216513096 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fighting with the language" is the interesting idea of Whirl < 1216513100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1216513100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ist not < 1216513101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216513105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparent it is < 1216513114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since its the only thing that the wheels force you to do < 1216513134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to constantly be mindful of how many instructions youve used so that you dont get caught in the tangled web of instruction count < 1216513138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1216513141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a conversation filled with an infuriatingly large amount of stupid < 1216513151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1216513156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets just have an orgy. < 1216513159 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::rapes tusho:: < 1216513175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216513180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, this would've been a great discussion for a podcast, do you realize that? < 1216513185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would've had so many people listening < 1216513188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what, 'no fuck you' < 1216513189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216513191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'no, fuck YOU' < 1216513196 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least mien would have ended with 'NOMADS!!!' < 1216513199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mine < 1216513199 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to say im an idiot, but THINK OF THE LISTENERSHIP < 1216513217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: have you done much with esolangs, btw? a lot of the fun is exactly in just the fact it's a fucking mindrape :) < 1216513242 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i dont like about esolangs-as-they-are. theres too much mindrape, and not enough mindfuck. < 1216513279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: sez the person who will only ever rape me < 1216513281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, and quite well said, almost wanna quote that :P < 1216513282 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs arent actually esoteric, they're just pointlessly difficult. < 1216513293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im a bottom, so i dont need to rape oklopol < 1216513300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're 12, what else would you do to a 12 year old? < 1216513306 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I was just thinking how great it would be if I could just hear this conversation actually being talked < 1216513311 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accents < 1216513312 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1216513318 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216513318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perv < 1216513327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have to record that podcast tomorrow < 1216513331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be talked < 1216513332 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today though it's 00:22 and I am going in like five seconds. < 1216513346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were fought in person we'd just end up in an orgy! :O < 1216513348 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1216513349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except tusho, he's too young < 1216513364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1216513366 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so left out < 1216513377 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his cock is too small. i mean, really, im sorry tusho, but 12 year old cock is way too small. < 1216513393 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok discussion entering uncanny valley. < 1216513393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so goddamn small it's ridiculous < 1216513403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about tusho's cock, lament? < 1216513408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut < 1216513413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cock is like wine, it gets better with age, but after 30 or so years it starts going down hill. :( < 1216513423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues reading -> < 1216513482 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you reading the blank space to the right of yourself? < 1216513492 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: uncanny valley??? < 1216513501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's starting to look so real it looks fake? o_O < 1216513524 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1216513535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thats what the uncanny valley is. :( < 1216513540 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand your usage! < 1216513549 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uncanny valley is when something realistic slowly goes from looking like a realistic object to looking like a very ill human. < 1216513557 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just realized I've had tusho on /ignore this whole time. < 1216513559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats sort of correct < 1216513567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ihope < 1216513577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1216513582 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous must be funny without me < 1216513584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uncanny valley is the phenomena where the "humanness" of an item increases steadily as it objectively becomes more human like < 1216513585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive arguing with silence < 1216513597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up until just before it looks perfectly human < 1216513601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the uncanny valley is the phenomena where the "pedophileness" of an item increases steadily as it objectively becomes more pedophile like < 1216513602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1216513607 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it temporarily drops to looking completely weird < 1216513631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, tusho, that analogy is a poor one. :P < 1216513633 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually, quite boring. < 1216513638 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact < 1216513649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i know < 1216513651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its terrible < 1216513653 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i love it < 1216513654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216513659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to continue with it would require that just before something is infact 100% pedo-ish it has to LOOK completely not pedoish < 1216513661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. < 1216513666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it implies that if you started < 1216513668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being totally pedophillic < 1216513671 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be creepy any more < 1216513680 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the logs to load beyond 2005 < 1216513680 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::kisses tusho passionately:: < 1216513693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where it stops being creepy? < 1216513695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when < 1216513701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::slides hand down tushos pants:: < 1216513705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i there yet? < 1216513707 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, they're to November... < 1216513718 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I IN YOUR UNCANNY VALLEY? :O < 1216513726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: That's the most strained innuendo ever. < 1216513735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1216513766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you a robot, baby? Because you're sure in my uncanny alley." < 1216513770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1216513771 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valley. < 1216513779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my innuendo is straining these pants, lemme tell ya < 1216513816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncanny alley, a small street behind bars where drunkards fuck ugly pros because they look beautiful? < 1216513828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to beer goggles? lighting? something? < 1216513897 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to your face. < 1216513899 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for today. < 1216513904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1216514031 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Don't worry. < 1216514035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be rape and podcasts tomorrow. < 1216514049 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell whoever does the logs to put everything before this year in a separate directory. Right now I'm in September 2006. < 1216514137 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :February 2007... < 1216514247 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1216514276 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1216514400 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrr < 1216514411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey lilja. < 1216514412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup. < 1216514435 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly hrrrr < 1216514439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216514448 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrr doesn't sound very fun. < 1216514463 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the logs have stopped loading. < 1216514467 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prolonged version of the first syllable of the croatian word for "croatian"? < 1216514471 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1216514476 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be waffles also < 1216514481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm waffles < 1216514491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1216514493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::steals liljas waffles:: < 1216514510 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather skillful < 1216514518 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're not ready < 1216514570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stole them... < 1216514574 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROM THE FUTURE < 1216514580 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1216514599 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's no sense in making them in that case < 1216514606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse there is! < 1216514608 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrr :( < 1216514620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not making them would destroy the universe < 1216514623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont make them, then i couldn't have will eventually steal them < 1216514626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1216514628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say better start making them :o < 1216514630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARADOX! < 1216514630 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1216514636 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PADAROX < 1216514642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAXAROD! < 1216514646 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KURFUFFLE < 1216514651 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrr-rr? < 1216514665 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey hey hey hey < 1216514668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i dont speak finnish < 1216514676 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrr :( < 1216514690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your crazy reindeer language outta here, this is IRC! < 1216514711 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1216514722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine the finnish can stay < 1216514728 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrr! < 1216514739 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "paradox" is already clumped together; there's nothing you can do with it. < 1216514748 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the "adox" is happy but the "par" is left out. < 1216514769 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :massage! < 1216514770 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----> < 1216514798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lüüposuonenää tïïuviasö kuunonëën < 1216514801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1216514828 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "massage" clumps to "sagemas". "sagem" is happy, "as" is left out. < 1216514850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, what are you doing? XD < 1216514881 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing" clumps to "dogin"; in that, "do", "g" and "i" are happy while "n" is left out. < 1216514895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216514902 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope is on drugs < 1216514911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja how was my finnish? < 1216514915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there enough vowels? < 1216514938 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the words should be longer < 1216514948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was perfect finnish < 1216514951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216514953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you do that? < 1216514955 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I R FLUENT < 1216514982 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ihopewhat" clumps to "wihopehat", which is an odd case, as "wih" clashes, though you can do it into something like "w" left out, "i" happy, "hope" happy, "ha" left out, "t" happy. < 1216514982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful when mixing aou and äöy, they can't exist in the same word < 1216515002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1216515017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wihopehat sounds like Generic Native American < 1216515105 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, all the words in that sentence clump to themselves except "sounds", which clumps to "soduns". And hey, the entire word "soduns" is happy. < 1216515114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wihopehat chumchukewaya utumqiquhejosiapata < 1216515136 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, in the above, if you want to get picky, rather than "ha" being left out, the stem of the "h" is happy and the rest of "ha" is left out.) < 1216515151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, what does all of this mean. < 1216515170 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a thing I used to do. < 1216515175 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more. < 1216515180 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new thing is tapping out melodies on my teeth. < 1216515183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about... your mother? < 1216515190 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain "happy" < 1216515203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who DOESNT use their mouth to make melodies? < 1216515223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, dont shoot me under the table just because i asked you to tell me about your mother. < 1216515239 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no mention of tortoises before hand. D: < 1216515240 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have five tooth-on-tooth positions that correspond to relative positions of notes, or four for simple melodies or six for complex ones. < 1216515308 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a word, like "sounds", and split it up into chunks of alternating vowels and consonants: "so un d s". Stick the chunks together in reverse: "sdunso". Repeat until you've done it an even number of times and it's no longer changing, so "soduns". < 1216515343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1216515354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an even number of times and its no longer changing? < 1216515361 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1216515364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand < 1216515371 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do the thing to "soduns" twice, you get "soduns" again. < 1216515380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1216515433 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it until an even number of split-reverses leaves you back at the start of that series of split-reverses. < 1216515436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha. < 1216515463 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1216515489 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The o-like letters are acemnorsuvwxz, the b-like letters are bhkp, the d-like letters are dq, and the l-like letters are fgijlty. A b-like letter is equivalent to an l-like letter and an o-like letter, and a d-like letter is equivalent to an o-like letter and an l-like letter. Strings of letters are happy if they consist of an l with an equal number of os on each side of it. < 1216515498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-like? < 1216515511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaa < 1216515515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow :( < 1216515523 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "soduns" is "ooolooo", which has 3 letters on each side. < 1216515529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1216515531 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird. :D < 1216515534 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1216515535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooolooo < 1216515540 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something oklopol would come up with < 1216515562 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216515566 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklopol" is "olololool", which is "olo" (happy), "l" (happy), "olo" (happy), "o" (left out), "l" (happy). < 1216515584 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"olololool", definitely oklopol there. < 1216515595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more k tho. oklolool. < 1216515611 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would argue that "o" should be happy. < 1216515627 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'd be able to split everything up into ls and os, which would be happy. < 1216515633 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the grounds that since there are no l's, all the l's in the string have the same number of o's on either side. < 1216515634 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1216515664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you is right. < 1216515669 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like my reasoning. < 1216515674 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1216515687 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that gives kind of a different sense of happiness. < 1216515705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely a superset of happiness < 1216515711 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1216515716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my semantics professor loved that construction < 1216515726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the Xes in {} are Y. < 1216515727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1216515727 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems you're thinking "oolooloo" would be happy, where in my system it wouldn't. < 1216515753 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so everybody that's nobody will be there! :-) < 1216515765 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, k and l are obviously oklopol letters. In "ololobot", "b" and "t" serve as oklopol letters, though they're not true oklopol letters, I think. < 1216515781 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can okloize my nick. < 1216515787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have to rigorously go over the idea of whether or not it could be true to say stuff like < 1216515788 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lkoko < 1216515811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i dont know like what < 1216515811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1216515812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216515817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :predicating over an empty set < 1216515820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially < 1216515843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people in the class didnt get it < 1216515851 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is "kollololloo"! < 1216515867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are o, l, and k themselves? < 1216515881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, is oklopols "oklopol"? < 1216515910 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but you said p is b-like < 1216515915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would atleast be oklobol < 1216515921 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And k is b-like, not k-like. < 1216515927 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1216515931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oblobol? < 1216515943 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. :-) < 1216515953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense :D < 1216515960 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bloopy version of oklopol. < 1216516097 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed the fact that k and p are both oklopol letters. < 1216516131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1216516771 0 :TheBlunderbuss!n=TheBlund@c-71-201-245-194.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216517451 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1216517607 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I write or sleep? < 1216517626 0 :TheBlunderbuss!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1216517663 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write! :o < 1216517666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is lame! < 1216517679 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm quite sleepy < 1216517698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then sleep < 1216517709 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm < 1216517712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, go into a hypnogogic state and get really fucked up visions then write them down < 1216517717 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a difficult decision < 1216517740 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaah < 1216517743 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write < 1216517832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lkoko: i do something with licence numbers < 1216517837 0 :lkoko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1216517849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish licence number is of the form CCC-NNN < 1216517854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C=character, N=number < 1216517864 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, hypnogogic states are fun. < 1216517870 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C can be a letter or a number? < 1216517874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypnogogic? < 1216517879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a letter < 1216517881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1216517908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1216517917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you determine the order of the letter < 1216517918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1216517935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea is to get the number to have the digits in the same order < 1216517943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing incs and decs to them < 1216517997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for AGC-645 you'd do something like 645 -> 545 -> 445 -> 455 -> 465 < 1216518013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in a score of 4 < 1216518023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small scores are better than big ones < 1216518058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do this to every licence number i see, usually, if i see no zeroes for a while, i get a bit frustrated < 1216518110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less complex than yours, sadly < 1216518127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love discovering weird habits like this and letting them grow into obsessions < 1216518154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, edison supposedly induced hypnogogic states :o < 1216518262 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sad < 1216518267 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no odd habits < 1216518270 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, wonderful. :-) < 1216518276 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja: it's not too late to get one! < 1216518279 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps the hand touching thing < 1216518280 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1216518287 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick an abstract thing. < 1216518326 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tja, that'd be good < 1216518341 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrr-rr < 1216518373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i of course have tons of stuff i do without realizing, but this is the only one that actually requires any computation < 1216518381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are mostly visual things < 1216518415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like finding convex covers, moving dots on the ceiling to form a circle and stuff like that < 1216518417 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like estimating whether a line through the laptop's plane of symmetry intersects a nearby glass? < 1216518421 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: those aren't that weird < 1216518426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1216518428 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1216518446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja: indeed they aren't, as i said, simple visual things < 1216518463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yeah all kinds of intersections < 1216518480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are a bit less interesting than the reorderings, as i often have semi-complex rules for them < 1216518525 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was outside one day when I realized that if I lay on the ground and looked around in circles, the sky would appear to be enclosed by the ground, and weirdness would ensue. < 1216518566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1216518628 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I practiced that enough, maybe I'd be able to achieve 360-degree vision in a lucid dream. :-) < 1216518664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have those nowadays? < 1216518670 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1216518672 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm|--0@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1216518673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall you tried and failed, at some point < 1216518675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1216518679 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, pretty much. < 1216518688 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I do have one occasionally, though never a very good one. < 1216518710 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoa, I'm dreaming." And then I end up crashing into a nearby wall and everything goes dark, or something. < 1216518767 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though of course you don't measure spheres in degrees, do you? Let's see, the circumference of a unit circle is 2pi, while the surface area of a unit sphere is... hmm, the derivative of 4/3*pi*r^3 at r = 1, which is 4pi. So I guess a sphere has 720 square degrees.) < 1216518775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays half of my dreams happen on irc < 1216518789 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, that's not right, is it?) < 1216518790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone to sit for me as i try weird shit like inducing hypnogogic states. < 1216518791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1216518795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come this fall! < 1216518803 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sit for you? < 1216518805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sit for you? < 1216518813 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trip sit. < 1216518821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i guess i know what that means < 1216518823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who sits around and makes sure you're safe while you trip. < 1216518841 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff, as if hypnogogic states or lucid dreams were unsafe in any way. :-) < 1216518861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: he just wants me to come. < 1216518867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other reasons < 1216518872 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you have schizophrenia or something, in which case you should seek a professional. A professional who knows about lucid dreaming, of course.) < 1216518906 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do. :o < 1216518912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want oklopol to come, i mean < 1216518916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not have schizophrenia XD < 1216518925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216518975 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216519016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental conditions are fun, i wish i had one < 1216519036 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refrains from mentioning that sanity is a mental condition < 1216519048 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And fatal familial insomnia.) < 1216519149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, lilja, when is are your birthdays? < 1216519160 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/ < 1216519225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22.2.2222 < 1216519237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1216519239 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://22.2.2222/ < 1216519244 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th of March < 1216519249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1216519304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. 6 days before me. :o < 1216519334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should celebrate these days with a week long orgy < 1216519346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a plan! < 1216519347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what is your age < 1216519353 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 < 1216519353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in years and seconds < 1216519358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft. :P < 1216519363 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216519375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microseconds would be better. < 1216519404 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An orgy (όργιον) was a secret cultic congregation at nighttime in Ancient Greek religion, overseen by an orgiophant." Interesting. < 1216519405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much information! < 1216519442 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orgiophant, a subspecies of the elephant, known for their proclivity towards large sexual gatherings. < 1216519692 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja, you're a crazy sexually liberal finn, whats the perviest thing you'd do < 1216519729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you too oklopol. be honest < 1216519730 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1216520019 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1216520023 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1216520027 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1216520034 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's making waffles! < 1216520075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon tell :o < 1216520078 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216520082 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dont give some silly pervy thing like rimming < 1216520086 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh im into rimming :O" < 1216520091 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i want a real pervy thing < 1216520100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "oh i love dog cock" or something. something INTERESTING. < 1216520205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crickets* < 1216520214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is boring. you're not saying anything interesting. :( < 1216520219 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not saying anything! D: < 1216520249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waffles. >:-) < 1216520255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats like expected. < 1216520257 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all humans. < 1216520264 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally fuck a waffle. < 1216520269 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass stir rods are very useful, actually. < 1216520270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or eat a waffle with cum cream. < 1216520271 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1216520277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass stir rods? < 1216520280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sounding? < 1216520286 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. < 1216520298 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert of stuff in your urethra. < 1216520331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insertion* < 1216520332 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one of the many possibilities. < 1216520346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, what are your pervs < 1216520348 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides waffles < 1216520353 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1216520373 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are pervs, exactly? < 1216520404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i have way too many. < 1216520421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a picture that actually highlights all of the things i'd do, off the fetish map from deviant desires < 1216520450 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanna know the PERVIEST thing you're into < 1216520451 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1216520459 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrr < 1216520462 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of your pervs. < 1216520471 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja is aroused by hrr. :o < 1216520478 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1216520479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why she keeps saying it! < 1216520485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's masturbating! < 1216520495 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time < 1216520506 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1216520511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop back and forth forever :o < 1216520517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's boring about rimming? < 1216520522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too normal or too weird? < 1216520529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too normal. < 1216520545 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, everyone does it. < 1216520548 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast if you're gay. < 1216520555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those who dont are weird germophobes < 1216520618 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me! < 1216520620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your pervs! < 1216520642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah thought so, but hadn't read your next two lines yet < 1216520650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm going to answer still :D < 1216520657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww why not? :( < 1216520658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, everyone does it < 1216520698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no tell? < 1216520725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like pretty much everything < 1216520732 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're into zoo? < 1216520733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scat? < 1216520741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gore? < 1216520741 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1216520753 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be into one of these things. < 1216520759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just tell which ihope < 1216520761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1216520768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216520769 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with your terminology. < 1216520781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :animal shit blood < 1216520788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gore is more than just blood < 1216520791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its .. gore. < 1216520792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1216520794 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I'm 15, you perverts. :-P < 1216520795 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood, guts, etc. < 1216520802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure ihope cares about the details < 1216520805 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which are you into, ihope. < 1216520813 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoo, scat, or gore? < 1216520822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i'm pretty sure i was more perverted than now when i was 15 :P < 1216520824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oklopol: was that a yes? :P < 1216520833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to what? < 1216520835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're into zoo+scat+gore < 1216520836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216520837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216520842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you funny man < 1216520844 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, none of those, I think. < 1216520846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cmon dont be so cryptic :p < 1216520853 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well whats your perviest interest, ihope. < 1216520854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be honest. < 1216520863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone here will think you're weird. < 1216520866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: specifically, i will not answer on this channel, if asked with a serious tone < 1216520869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im an amoralist and oklopol's finnish. < 1216520880 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll answer if i ask with a humorous tone? < 1216520882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see that as "appropriate" :o < 1216520893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've talked about scat here with bsmntbombdood < 1216520969 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, cmon, dish. < 1216520975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is into scat. what about you. < 1216520986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure sure < 1216521126 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, since you're worried about logs < 1216521129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esofetishes < 1216521135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1216521140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had #esoteric-sex a while back < 1216521149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1216521162 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i came and turned #esoteric into that? :p < 1216521166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon! join! < 1216521167 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216521167 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk! < 1216521178 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've only made out with Ashley and Ethan so far? I need to make out with Mission as well. < 1216521189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mission? < 1216521195 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already in love with the three of them, so it should be no trouble. < 1216521203 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know Mission is a weird name. I didn't name her. < 1216521206 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :names these days < 1216521212 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1216521214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love them, but man are they weird < 1216521315 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also this guy named Ash that I'd like to love if I can... < 1216521376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq likes ash < 1216521391 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he have The Sims Life Stories too? < 1216521496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1216521658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ihope, cmon, tell. whats your fetish. < 1216521666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1216521702 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess furry has a stereotype of being fetishy anyway. < 1216521728 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry is normal < 1216521733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone here is a furry < 1216521752 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, really? < 1216521756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but perhaps. < 1216521763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am. oklopol could be. < 1216521765 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're going to tell me everything else I say is normal. :-P < 1216521767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps hes a husky < 1216521784 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tusho is a husky, hes more random < 1216521791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hyper < 1216521816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you're a fur. i'd give you a 50% chance of being into zoo < 1216521832 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is zoo? < 1216521837 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :animals. < 1216521887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the furs i know are into zoo. < 1216521892 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical animals? < 1216521892 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good number of nonfurs i know. < 1216521898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them are really fucking hot too < 1216521899 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real ones? < 1216521905 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ihope, real animals. < 1216521905 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216521921 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that, no. I'm the huggy type. :-P < 1216521929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the huggy type? < 1216521973 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. :-) < 1216521978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me! :O < 1216522023 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind who would like hugging. < 1216522029 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ::hugs ihope:: < 1216522036 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs psygnisfive < 1216522076 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zoo isnt about the intimacy so i'll assume you're into it. :P < 1216522105 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pet cat. I do not do anything "special" to her. :-P < 1216522137 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a cat. itd be weird if you did. < 1216522142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most zoo is dog-centric. < 1216522156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with plenty of horse-oriented fantasy but for obvious reasons it's hard to do with male horses. < 1216522216 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard about someone who had heard about someone who had supposedly done that. < 1216522231 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard someone who had heard about someone, rather. < 1216522245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its dangerous. ive seen it, and its usually messy and silly looking and probably not terribly fun. < 1216522261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i hear llamas or a related species have 3 foot prehensile cocks. < 1216522267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are relatively thin. < 1216522269 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to do it. < 1216522274 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liar < 1216522280 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative to their length, or the size of the animal, or... < 1216522283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd totally hit that 3 foot prehensile cock wouldnt you < 1216522288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snaking all inside you < 1216522290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pervert < 1216522295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a sicko! < 1216522314 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pervert. You're a sicko. < 1216522339 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find it interesting that humans are one of the few animals... oh, I'll leave that for a later discussion. < 1216522348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do go on < 1216522350 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no do finish that sentence < 1216522356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopols into scat, he wont mind < 1216522368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho's a girl, so god knows what would bother him. < 1216522368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :her. < 1216522369 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. < 1216522395 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like how English is one of the few (if not the only) languages where the words for meats and the words for the animals they come from are different. < 1216522417 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pork from pigs, beef from cows, though chicken does in fact come from chickens. < 1216522429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pork and beef are imported words < 1216522434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know the pre-norman words < 1216522459 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its just a note that thats why the words are porc and beef < 1216522466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pork* < 1216522474 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like pork and beef being from Old French and pigs and cows being Germanic Something. < 1216522527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theres this old trope that the words for the meat came from french because the aristocracy was french and were the only ones who could afford the meat as food < 1216522538 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I heard. < 1216522546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the words for the animals were old english since the people who raised them were OE speakers and never ate the animals because of cost < 1216522550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats completely wrong. < 1216522559 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard that, too. < 1216522650 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, i'm a linguist. < 1216522652 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1216522658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have any good reads on computation theory? < 1216522707 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this channel has gone from sex back to computation? I'll have to finish my sentence, then. < 1216522727 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans are one of the few animals without an erectile bone, I think it is. < 1216522737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i have a nice one in finnish. < 1216522739 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how those things work. < 1216522749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about one of the few < 1216522753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of those yeah < 1216522832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want finnish! >O < 1216522845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true. < 1216522847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216522848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no erectile bone < 1216522902 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. I hope I know something you don't. < 1216522920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you named after that? < 1216522946 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name comes from... darker times. < 1216522955 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually native american < 1216522960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its said ee-hoe-pay < 1216522975 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ancestors made me swear an oath that I would never disclose the origin of my name. < 1216522979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "bringer of death" in ojibwa < 1216522988 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I went and told you. Darn it. < 1216523009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope is infact an ancient ojibwa "Demon" < 1216523016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a demon, as such < 1216523046 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his presence has the unfortunate side effect of always coinciding, not by his actions, with great amounts of death and destruction < 1216523054 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a very ancient name. You know how I go by the name "Ivan Hope CXXVII" where a name-like name is warranted? < 1216523068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: why would you want to know something we don't? < 1216523071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czarist Russia? < 1216523080 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to lose. :-) < 1216523103 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet discovering you dont know something means you win. < 1216523106 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how peculiar. < 1216523117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Um, WTF? < 1216523134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: whats your perviest fantasy/fetish/kink < 1216523135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a complex joke. < 1216523144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ash is this guy on a tv show < 1216523147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Fair 'nough. < 1216523161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can't believe I walked into this. < 1216523163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it? < 1216523170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard an aussie aboriginal named ash dargan play didge once < 1216523174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon joke just in case you didn't. < 1216523176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great musician. < 1216523180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah*. < 1216523184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta catch 'em all. < 1216523194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: cmon, tell me. < 1216523196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your perv. < 1216523204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216523214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric. everyones either a furry, a zoo, a scathead, or finnish. < 1216523233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the above. < 1216523243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gore? < 1216523244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incest? < 1216523245 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read Freefall, by (gasp!) the way; did you know that? < 1216523246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsm? < 1216523251 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIRLS? < 1216523257 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, BDSM, that's an interesting case. < 1216523266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM isnt really fetishy to me but < 1216523267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely into girls. :p < 1216523268 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1216523268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to most it is < 1216523275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not a fetish, now is it? < 1216523277 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew. pikhq, you freak, get out of here. < 1216523282 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I'll be into girls one of these days. < 1216523282 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, whats your fetish < 1216523342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could tell you, but then i would have to kill you < 1216523343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, *that* is what you just walked in to. < 1216523356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im somewhat into gore. and vore. so tell me. < 1216523388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get off on tentacle pron. There, that suffice? < 1216523397 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical. < 1216523398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesnt. < 1216523411 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be moar intrsting kay? < 1216523415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1216523427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . < 1216523428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to regret he didn't check the logs _first_ < 1216523439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people find it about as bad as guro. < 1216523441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if he had, he'd be masturbating right now < 1216523446 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1216523457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured tentacle rape was one of the lesser fetishes < 1216523479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that its essentially Multiple Massive Prehensile Cocks < 1216523485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, who DOESNT love multiple massive prehensile cocks < 1216523520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines tusho yelling COCKS out loud < 1216523527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOMADS! < 1216523533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOMAAADS < 1216523555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONADS! < 1216523572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a monads fetish. < 1216523586 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an ordinary brain fetish. < 1216523596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he likes to functor your monad < 1216523600 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what i mean < 1216523621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an injective and epic way < 1216523660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should invent new terms for sexualities < 1216523666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i submit bijective as a new term for bisexual. < 1216523693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and homoiconicity for homosexuality. < 1216523693 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "bijection"! < 1216523706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bijection is when you cum in a guy and a girl at the same time. < 1216523706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bijection would make no sense for bisexuality < 1216523714 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1216523716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monic clearly implies masturbation < 1216523719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the punny stuff < 1216523723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hihi goes both ways" < 1216523726 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: automorphism. < 1216523732 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bijection could be defined as a both-ways injection, no? < 1216523732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1216523738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yes < 1216523759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfect mapping < 1216523765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bijection could alternatively mean oral-anal/vaginal double penetration < 1216523784 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. :-) < 1216523795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Ya really. < 1216523798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the enthusiasm with which you guys picked up this topic < 1216523821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, guro? *shudder*) < 1216523840 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::stabs pikhq in the side then fucks the hole:: < 1216523846 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suddenly realize I don't actually know what "injective" means. < 1216523865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-to-one < 1216523869 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh, I saw that in a playground once. < 1216523872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grows several prehensile cocks, heads off to another channel to search for girls < 1216523877 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious? XD < 1216523892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Perhaps I should put on my robe and wizard hat? < 1216523901 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 you pikhq < 1216523907 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be specific, I saw "i want to slit your throat and fuck the wound" carved into a woody thing. < 1216523915 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was back when I thought the word meant "infect". It made sense. < 1216523917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's slipknot lyrics < 1216523935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that somewhere on the internet there are people who _do_ have a robe and wizard hat fetish (rule thirty-something) < 1216523935 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyrics, really? < 1216523941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1216523965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i wanna push my face in and feel the swoon, wanna dig inside, find a little bit of me, coz something something if you don't come clean < 1216523966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32. < 1216523974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where wormwood meets my pesticide < 1216523981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, now even ruining people's sweet childhood memories < 1216523982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never die, coz you were never alive < 1216523983 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1216523985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slipknot ::vomits:: < 1216523986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i forget. < 1216523990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216523993 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numetal is the worst ever. < 1216524005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't generally like it, but i like slipknot < 1216524009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ruining my stomach < 1216524012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a good example of the genre < 1216524016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have shit taste in music then. < 1216524022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216524023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1216524050 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1216524118 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real metal > numetal < 1216524152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i simply like the voice of the singer, and they do have nice riffs, although admittedly don't know how to vary them < 1216524178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numetal lyrics are also mindnumblingly stupid < 1216524254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1216524290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216524365 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how convenient. My Sim has the Romance aspiration. He got the high-level want "Make Out with Three Sims", so I called over a third Sim and had him make out with her. Then the high-level wants "WooHoo in Bed" and "WooHoo in Hot Tub" appeared, so I had them WooHoo in a hot tub and now they're headed for bed. < 1216524402 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also has the "Public WooHoo" want, so there's yet another thing I can try. < 1216524432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao is this seriously all in The Sims? < 1216524441 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sims Life Stories. < 1216524447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so fucked up XD < 1216524450 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1216524455 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely unrealistic < 1216524459 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he is. :-P < 1216524459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now just needs to know what WooHoo means. or maybe not. < 1216524477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1216524534 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he also has the "WooHoo with 5 Different Sims" want; I'll work toward that one. < 1216524592 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, and I'm just about to ask her to stay the night or something when she says it's time to go home. < 1216524641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just press "woohoo hand" and you get the same amount of happy points < 1216524653 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1216524812 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I remember why killing your Sims is advantageous. < 1216524821 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes their paintings more valuable. < 1216524852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216524869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1216524879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wish The Sims would work under WINE. < 1216524887 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have too many Sims? Don't bother with moving them out; just have one stand outside until a satellite falls on them. < 1216524892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or that I had The Sims 2 (that works in WINE, right?)) < 1216524904 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or let them get devoured by flies. < 1216525055 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public WooHoo happens inside a Clothing Booth, so let's see where there's one of those... < 1216525073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna have a roommate this fall who's into public sex < 1216525258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I should probably talk to my roommate this fall. . . < 1216525284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mutter about how my college decided to ask for roommate requests, only to completely ignore them. < 1216525307 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1216525308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he a total doodoo head? < 1216525312 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ichose my roomie :) < 1216525630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno; not talked to him. < 1216525641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy I *asked* for is totally awesome. < 1216525652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and tends to lurk in #esoteric) < 1216525743 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you going to have hot gay sex? < 1216525748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but, i am not going into college... < 1216525761 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be Seth. < 1216525776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, lurk < 1216525777 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to refer to him by any other name from now on. :-P < 1216525960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: No, Cherez. < 1216525969 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1216525982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's en route from LA to Kansas City ATM, so he's not on. ;) < 1216526001 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling my referring to Seth by his name has been retaliated against. < 1216526012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, you and I are in completely different continents. < 1216526013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma is hard < 1216526018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216526032 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some would say that the preposition does not belong at the end of that sentence. I wonder how they would rephrase that. < 1216526036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey that was what i was going to say :D < 1216526055 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like "I have a feeling my referring against to Seth by his name has been retaliated.", I suppose. < 1216526076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1216526104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the point was to get the preposition in front of its complement [?] < 1216526140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say that English doesn't have a formal grammer, so feel free: prepositions are something sentences may be ended with. < 1216526157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in other germanic languages < 1216526189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norwegian trying to get the preposition _not_ last would require using archaic pronouns < 1216526234 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1.gif < 1216526241 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally agree. < 1216526250 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that double cheese burger is totally fuckable. < 1216526253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm yeah baby < 1216526663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Do they know WTF they're talking about? < 1216526696 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who what when < 1216526705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey yo're talking about language < 1216526705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1216526716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me read it over and see why you're probably wrong < 1216526764 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who say that you shouldnt end a sentence with a preposition are idiots who dont understand why you very well can do that. < 1216526915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, if Shakespeare could do it, then I can. < 1216526947 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtube.com/watch?v=cW-bomqZ3Lw < 1216526947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my English gets a bit odd when I'm in the mood to wax Shakespearean. ;)) < 1216526949 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy is hot < 1216526956 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his behavior is excessively artificial. < 1216526978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespearean english is artificial poetic prose, you know. during his time noone spoke like that. < 1216527017 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes < 1216527021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes? < 1216527021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some lines were written how the commoner would speak. < 1216527031 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lines of commoners? :P < 1216527032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typically the lower-class folk within his plays) < 1216527034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bingo. < 1216527037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216527045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I *don't care*. < 1216527047 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck shakespear < 1216527047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what hell yes < 1216527050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking thing sucks < 1216527061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wax poetic at times. ;) < 1216527072 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1216527076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Never read him beyond what you had to do for class? < 1216527078 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :James Joyce wrote esopoetry < 1216527080 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O :O :O < 1216527085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: correct, sir < 1216527088 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no desire to < 1216527099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare as taught in school sucks balls. < 1216527101 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnegan's Wake is an esopoem! :O < 1216527123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare enjoyed on one's own time is actually worthwhile. < 1216527125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three quarks for muster Mark < 1216527135 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats psygnisfive's apostrophe < 1216527152 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i heard "Finnegans Wake" < 1216527156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it should be something related to like < 1216527170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hyperspace ripple or something < 1216527183 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the deprepositioning of that sentence way up there would be something like "I have a feeling it has been retaliated against my referring to Seth by his name". < 1216527186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i associate it with that because of some story < 1216527189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newtons Wake or something < 1216527198 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that doesn't work, either. < 1216527200 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which had a very fantastical scifi cover < 1216527208 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1216527212 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill do it, jesus christ < 1216527244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to un-strand the preposition in "I have a feeling my referring to Seth by his name has been retaliated against."? < 1216527263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: That sounds ridiculously pretentious. < 1216527281 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yep. < 1216527290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling someone's retaliated against my referring to Seth by his name. < 1216527293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This coming from a guy who has been accused of being 'as pedantic as the Comic Book Guy'. < 1216527295 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's also weird and doesn't actually do anything. < 1216527301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216527319 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: but that introduces a "someone". You're not allowed to do that. :-) < 1216527324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i am < 1216527328 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the sentence is passive < 1216527335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Also, that ad? < 1216527337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has an implicit agent < 1216527347 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the active form would require an explicit agent < 1216527348 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence someone < 1216527349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost as stupid as "Head On". < 1216527353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Almost*. < 1216527375 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my mom is a fan of sentences such as "I have an alarm clock that I know when it will go off", sticking an entire sentence inside that type of "that" phrase. < 1216527383 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant exactly passivize "X retaliated against Y" without stranding the preposition because Y isnt a direct object < 1216527398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since your version IS passive and thus thats the source of the stranding < 1216527407 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remove the stranding, you have to make it active. < 1216527424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom has weird island rules. < 1216527438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the reason you give is not the reason its odd. :) < 1216527446 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could fix it by saying "I have an alarm clock that has me know when it will go off". < 1216527457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, you're hopeless. < 1216527478 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't sticking a whole sentence in into a "that"... wrongful? < 1216527482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1216527488 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you dont know what you're talking about. < 1216527505 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still true that your mom knows when the alarm clock will go off. < 1216527516 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard anyone but my mom say such a thing. < 1216527520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that she's well aware of the intriguing nature of her sentences. < 1216527529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, i guarantee that you've said such things yourself. < 1216527539 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, on some occasions. < 1216527551 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentence she used however is still peculiar < 1216527555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for the reasons you cite. < 1216527563 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it peculiar? < 1216527568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it". < 1216527581 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1216527597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1216527604 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it was because of the whole sentence. < 1216527605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: I use it quite commonly. < 1216527606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because of the "it" < 1216527609 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In something like "I have an alarm clock that has been painted pink", the thing inside "that" is "has been painted pink", which is not a full sentence. < 1216527631 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "I have an alarm clock that I know when it will go off", the thing inside "that" is "I know when it will go off", which is. < 1216527635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1216527639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is your analysis is wrng < 1216527646 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only works in this one situation < 1216527655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is common and acceptable. < 1216527660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have an alarm clock that I painted pink." -- fairly simple example. . . < 1216527672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that form is ridiculously common in English. < 1216527678 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its NOT acceptable when one of the arguments to the verb of the relative clause is the head of the noun phrase that the relative clause modifies. < 1216527704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also fairly natural in Esperanto, FWIW) < 1216527717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant use a pronoun to refer back to the noun that the enclosing clause modifies. < 1216527719 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1216527722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this construction < 1216527743 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[NP ... N{i} ... [C ... it{i} ...]] is invalid < 1216527743 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd interpret "I painted pink" there as part of a sentence such as "it I painted pink", an odd way of saying "I painted it pink". < 1216527745 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes. < 1216527765 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I painted pink" is syntactically normal, semantically weird. < 1216527772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where N{i} and it{i} are coindexed to indicate coreferentiality. < 1216527783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Glee. < 1216527790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its not syntactically normal either < 1216527794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paints white < 1216527801 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't? < 1216527802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since paint requires two arguments. :P < 1216527817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't. < 1216527823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only syntactically normal if one of those arguments has a null phonological (and thus typographical) form < 1216527824 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paints pikhq < 1216527837 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesnt if you're using a different verb paint < 1216527841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "I paint." < 1216527853 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so "I paint pikhq" is "I paint pikhq "? < 1216527854 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "I paint pink." is different. < 1216527864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: no... < 1216527868 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1216527870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you getting the null from? < 1216527882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is the second argument to the verb. < 1216527892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your assertion that paint is binary. < 1216527896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1216527901 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pikhq" is the second argument. < 1216527901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it's only syntaxtically normal if one of those arguments has a null phonological and thus typographical form. < 1216527907 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/x/c/ < 1216527907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Care to reformat that into sexp? < 1216527926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pink" in the original sentence is not an argument to the verb. < 1216527944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216527946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could be, depending on your interpretation, but that would make the verb ditransitive. < 1216527948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an adjective. < 1216527959 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "I have an alarm clock that I painted pink.", "pink" is not an argument to "painted"? < 1216527963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, "pink" is an adverbial modifier indicating the result of the painting. < 1216527972 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1216527979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho it could alternatively be an argument to a ditransitive < 1216527981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try to make a parse tree out of this mess. < 1216527984 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a paint color that I painted pikhq". < 1216527986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial. < 1216527994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which framework do you want the parse trees in < 1216528006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you Principles and Parameters, as well as Minimalism < 1216528014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as typical Naive Syntax < 1216528058 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have an alarm clock that I painted pink." That's "have" modified with "I" and "an alarm clock that I painted pink", which is "an alarm clock" modified with "that I painted pink", which is "that" containing "I painted pink", which is "painted" modified with "I" and "pink"? < 1216528073 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "an alarm clock" is "an" containing "clock" modified with "alarm".) < 1216528077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. ish. < 1216528082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care, just stick it in a binary tree. :p < 1216528085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified is the wrong term to use there. < 1216528093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok gimme a second. < 1216528105 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: specified? < 1216528113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh sure. ish. < 1216528114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216528121 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is in a specifier relationship with have < 1216528125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Is psygnisfive a linguistics major or some such? :p < 1216528130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1216528136 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho the other uses of modified are wrong as well. < 1216528144 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them? < 1216528147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the rest of us are mere dabblers (at best). < 1216528148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1216528154 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they be "specified" as well? < 1216528158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a moment to do the P&P parse < 1216528161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they shouldnt. < 1216528163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216528185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1216528189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object control :D < 1216528214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the phenomena this sentence exhibits, btw, that makes "I painted it pink" an invalid relative clause ;) < 1216528295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"phenomenon" ;) < 1216528323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has fun with his unrestricted grammar. < 1216528348 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1216528381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION even unrestricted fun more a with _totally_ has grammar < 1216528450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant 'unrestricted' in the sense that it can only be parsed using a Turing machine, not in the sense of having no rules. < 1216528478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though actually, I'm not sure: does English have a type 0 grammar? < 1216528479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are not a Turing machine. how can you parse it then? :D < 1216528504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't parse it. < 1216528509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do a good impression thereof. < 1216528511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216528524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CP [C' [TP [DP [D' [NP [N' [N 'I']]]]] [T' [T ] [VP [V' [V 'have'+pres] [DP{i} [D' [D 'an'] [NP [N' [N 'alarm clock'] [CP [C' [C 'that'] [TP [DP [D' [NP [N' [N 'I']]]]] [T' [T <-ed>] [VP [V' [V' [V 'paint'+'-ed'] PRO{i}] [AdvP [Adv' [Adv [Adj 'pink']]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] < 1216528545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while psygnisfive just seemed to fail the Turing Test :D < 1216528558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE ZE ROBOTS < 1216528562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT DOO DEET DOO < 1216528570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think I get what he's doing there. . . < 1216528591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, he's demonstrated knowledge of the formal grammar of English. < 1216528603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked for a parse! :( < 1216528615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1216528620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its a binary tree < 1216528624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks for parsley < 1216528631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as all P&P trees are. < 1216528632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that you actaully did it, that's all. :p < 1216528635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all minimalist trees. < 1216528637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh dude < 1216528642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been doing this for the last year :) < 1216528653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see what hoops we jumped through in syntax < 1216528695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid my knowledge of grammars & syntax is a bit more rudimentary than yours. < 1216528707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"John was made to believe that Fido seemed to be jumping through hoops" was a common enough structure < 1216528712 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1216528713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We in the computer science field tend to make our grammars easy to parse. < 1216528736 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural languages might be Type 0 :( < 1216528740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LALR! LALR! LALR! < 1216528742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen a programming language with grammar harder to parse than type 1. < 1216528763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, oerjan: most programming languages are type 2. < 1216528764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1216528769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i suspect its only Type 0 thanks to post-linearization techniques. maybe. < 1216528802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next ill give you the Minimalist parse < 1216528817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OM < 1216528966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that was certainly minimalist < 1216529047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CP [TP [DP [NP 'I']] [T' [T pres] [VP [V 'have'] [DP [D 'an'] [NP [N 'alarm clock'] [CP [C 'that'] [TP [T pst] [DP [NP 'I']] [VP [V' [V' [V 'painted'] PRO{i}] [AdvP [Adj 'pink']]]]]]]]]]]] < 1216529099 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left out is the null complement in the highest CP < 1216529135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought I'd never see something geekier than drawing out a parse tree for some Def-BF code by hand. :p < 1216529141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho given the relative clarity of what each segment is, the minimalist tree would often just be < 1216529205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that was slightly wrong, sorry. < 1216529300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CP [TP [DP I] [T' pres [VP [V' have [DP an [NP alarm_clock [CP that [TP I [pst [VP [V' [painted PRO{i}] pink]]]]]]]]]]] < 1216529310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats closer i think to a normal minimalist markup < 1216529318 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho we'd just use trees that make it clearer < 1216529392 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you want to see the HEIGHT of fucking geekery < 1216529400 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should come and sit in on one of my ling classes < 1216529430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made nerdy linguistics tee-shirts that only nerdy linguists like me and my friends would get < 1216529447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i need to work on some designs for them :O < 1216529571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Naive Syntax parse: [S [NP [N 'I']] [VP [V 'have'] [NP [D 'an'] [N 'alarm clock'] [CP [C 'that'] [S [NP [N 'I']] [VP [V 'painted'] [AdvP [Adj 'pink']]]]]]]] < 1216529597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you'll notice is NOT binary branching < 1216529615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: You want the height of geekery? < 1216529625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that I have yet to entire college. < 1216529626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216529659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1216529676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't _do_ that to linguistics majors. they might lock up. < 1216529701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't do what? < 1216529707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"entire" < 1216529712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1216529715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FUCK*. < 1216529718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/entire/enter/. < 1216529724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly midnight here; forgive me. < 1216529740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, much to your chagrin, i'm sure, most linguists are not prescriptivists, nor pedants about spelling < 1216529743 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or grammar < 1216529754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programmers are, however. < 1216529756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, we make fun of those people. < 1216529759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by necessity) < 1216529768 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes with sticks. < 1216529770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bats. < 1216529772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal bats. < 1216529790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was imagining you beating people with flying rodents, actually. < 1216529798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more amusing thought. < 1216529800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what im talking about. < 1216529809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _are_ however pedantic about people making fun of you, i see :D < 1216529814 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use this: http://members.wri.com/jeffb/transformers/NightscreamBat.jpg < 1216529852 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that merely because its a common misconception that linguists are school marm grammarians < 1216529877 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about as reasonable as saying that haskellians are fans of GOTO. < 1216529901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think of linguists in a bit of a more positive light. < 1216529917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because, if I weren't doing math/computer science, I'd probably be a linguistics major. < 1216529930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marm < 1216529930 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be both/troth < 1216529940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already doing a dual major. < 1216529950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not *that* insane. < 1216529960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some would debate that) < 1216529964 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably going to do CS+Ling when i get to grad school < 1216529967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible +Math < 1216529969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION debates it < 1216529979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No fair! < 1216529982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because, lets be honest < 1216529984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've seen my code. < 1216529996 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math, CS, and Linguistics are, in the theoretical realms of each, identical in many ways. < 1216530020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS and linguistics' overlaps are fairly obvious. < 1216530030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in theory of computation, whats the most common way of ranking computation power? < 1216530034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chomsky hierarchy. < 1216530039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially automata theory & grammar theory. . . < 1216530039 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chomsky is.... < 1216530043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a theoretical syntactician. < 1216530067 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a political writer. < 1216530075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchosyndicalist, in case you were wondering. < 1216530109 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres this website that does this thing where you put in your major and click through various scenarios of The Future < 1216530111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy? Bah. < 1216530114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making decisions along the way < 1216530128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that: cryptoanarchy if you must be without rule. :p < 1216530130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them talks about going into CompLing < 1216530147 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how any computational linguist can whoop your ass when it comes to both language AND computer science < 1216530155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptoanarchy? < 1216530163 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're an anarchist but you pretend to be a republican? < 1216530196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryptoanarchy refers to the usage of cryptography to create an unruled network. < 1216530213 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a weird use of the crypto- prefix < 1216530218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that all other uses mean hidden < 1216530233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant as a pun. < 1216530242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to groan. < 1216530252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1216530252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its crytpoed < 1216530252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hidden from prying eyes < 1216530252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haw. < 1216530252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216530265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my linguistics tee-shirts are puns. :) < 1216530271 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1216530279 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a picture of a log cabin. < 1216530284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? < 1216530286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a... < 1216530288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREE STRUCTURE < 1216530290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHAHAHA < 1216530290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1216530293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1216530297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION groans < 1216530307 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216530314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lilja < 1216530317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? lilja likes it. < 1216530323 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h, hey < 1216530325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to send her one of the t-shirts < 1216530325 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye < 1216530327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i make them. < 1216530329 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep < 1216530332 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night you. < 1216530341 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already bright outside :\ < 1216530347 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1216530358 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 am < 1216530360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in europe it was staying light until 10pm < 1216530360 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1216530361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a frayed that pun was a bit of a stretch to me... < 1216530362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was awesome < 1216530404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also going to make a shirt with 7 thumb tacks painted on it, large-like < 1216530420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each with the name of a different one of the seven deadly sins on it < 1216530420 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, good night or something < 1216530426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? :D < 1216530435 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'" < 1216530450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! the pain! < 1216530457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin tacks! :D < 1216530474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone ive told that to has had to think about it, and still didnt get it < 1216530482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this one girl, whos my best friend at school < 1216530485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she was like < 1216530488 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sin tacks! :D" < 1216530495 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shes crazy like me. :D < 1216530497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its great. < 1216530502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were straight i'd marry her < 1216530532 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's the only one who gets me :( < 1216530861 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a book on computation theory < 1216530862 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give < 1216530865 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you have it! < 1216530866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give!!! < 1216530976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Need a break" < 1216531432 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, its too quiet < 1216532011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1216533283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1216540799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1216540800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1216546432 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1216546963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsQuietTooQuiet < 1216546988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard tvtropes warnings apply) < 1216547388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1216549732 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.112.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216549822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1216549834 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://google.com <- Go find something better" < 1216551690 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1216552220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1216553254 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1216554214 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1216557168 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@a91-152-143-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216557313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"thunderstorm" < 1216558208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1216558588 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host57-86-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1216559653 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1216560120 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:21… psygnisfive: you cant use a pronoun to refer back to the noun that the enclosing clause modifies. <<< what? you can't say "i like sheep that take care of themselves"? < 1216560147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's illegal to say < 1216560147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1216560151 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll arrest you if you do < 1216560169 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the weirdness in ihope's sentence was just that you should have a sentence without a subject as the thing after "that", and the thing "that" refers to will then be the subject. < 1216560183 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here, "I" was the subject < 1216561095 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lalna i combined focus and that kind of referring so that you'd do (i like (sheep take care of themselves)), and for the inner sentence put focus on sheep < 1216561148 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same thing you often see in oklotalk (although of course just because objects normally behave like that, you couldn't extract "care" from that sentence in oklotalk) < 1216561677 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216562351 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216563168 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1216564859 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216565908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok < 1216566399 0 :lilja!n=ohsohot@a91-152-143-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216566559 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216566822 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1216566851 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho < 1216566867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oklofok < 1216567517 0 :atsampson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1216567539 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216568217 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-70.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1216568662 0 :atsampson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1216568674 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216570302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"thunderstorm" < 1216570351 0 :Slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1216570390 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1216571091 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.cust.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1216574973 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1216575246 0 :deveah!n=deveah@92.81.100.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216575292 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi < 1216575397 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216575889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah: hi < 1216576227 0 :Slereah__!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-24-242.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1216576310 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1216576560 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see most esoteric ppl are interested in roguelikes too < 1216576874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack! < 1216576897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah, and why do you see that I wonder? < 1216576951 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, for example, made a roguelike < 1216576967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's zzo < 1216576970 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does everything < 1216576980 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made and am making roguelikes and I'm an esoterikker too < 1216576994 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1216576995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteriKKK < 1216576998 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what everything? < 1216577064 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, when I was your age, I did almost everything too :D < 1216577074 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is .. < 1216577076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno how old he is < 1216577121 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a bit of everything before you're too old to do anything :) < 1216577159 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opopopopopopo < 1216577162 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opopopopopopo < 1216577172 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1216577179 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel :D < 1216577221 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you can really use more than two letters in one line! < 1216577252 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm-hmm < 1216577265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... you wouldn't believe this, but it is true, I just met a blind user who enjoyed flightsimulators today.... < 1216577273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of crazy < 1216577277 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@ip-83-147-168-102.crk.metro.digiweb.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1216577365 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah: shut up, okoing is sacred < 1216577381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko too? < 1216577385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokokoko* < 1216577386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1216577388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1216577390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1216577390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a variant! < 1216577395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a k to the beginning < 1216577397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anananan? < 1216577411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is: < 1216577415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tutututututututut too < 1216577418 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1216577420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable < 1216577425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tutututututu? < 1216577459 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1216577464 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utututututututututu < 1216577506 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: okoing?! < 1216577520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah: you cannot be told what okoing is < 1216577523 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must experience it yourself < 1216577530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oklopol is not here for a demonstration < 1216577541 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will gain enlightenment one day, of that I am sure < 1216577688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd I have seen oklopol quite a few times and I never seen okoing before < 1216577701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deveah, are you new here? < 1216577738 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I've been here before a few times < 1216577789 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1216578181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1216578186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't remember the nick < 1216578510 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1216578512 0 :deveah!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1216578943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not i said usually. < 1216578978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i oversimplified it when i said that yesterday < 1216579004 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is gone < 1216579015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok* < 1216579059 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also :) < 1216579063 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1216579066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilja* < 1216579084 0 :lilja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrr < 1216579105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this specific example, the reason you can't actually use "it" is because it's the wrong pronoun < 1216579127 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RIGHT pronoun is PRO which has no spoken form. < 1216579186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast thats the P&P/Minimalist interpretation :D < 1216579590 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216580024 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1216580059 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest53704 < 1216580928 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216581122 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216581508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, I'm sorry about the delay on Def-BF. . . < 1216581524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As my excuse, I offer this: Half-Life 2 kicks some major ass. < 1216582251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not valid < 1216582420 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216582422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Very valid. < 1216582450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree < 1216582463 0 :atsampson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1216582468 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So it's not OK to enjoy a game a lot and therefore play it instead of working on an esolang for a bit? < 1216582476 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216582500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that < 1216582508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you say then? < 1216582516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" pikhq, not valid" < 1216582518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be exact < 1216582532 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your intended meaning? < 1216582537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't extract another one < 1216582553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is a different question that I will be happy to answer < 1216582578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meaning was that "half life 2" < 1216582585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to not being open source ;P < 1216582586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1216582596 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm aware you're an unreasonable zealot < 1216582600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't have to point that out again < 1216582600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216582601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I meaning/my meaning/ < 1216582608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you demonstrate it daily.. < 1216582637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ another reason was pure selfishness < 1216582637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see Def-BF < 1216582638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and play with it < 1216582640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds great < 1216582646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm less afraid of open source nowadays < 1216582648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where are the the specs on Def-BF? < 1216582656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make no progress I may implement it myself < 1216582663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd like to see the specs < 1216582680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215028173.html < 1216582685 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1216582721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% jump to absolute address in code < 1216582732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does 0 equal first code cell? < 1216582754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program is loaded starting at 0x0? < 1216582779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what parameter does % take? < 1216582800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that spec doesn't define some quite important stuff needed to make an implementation < 1216582831 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because, guess what, they were implementing it -themselves- < 1216582844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: where does the constant ? wants appear from < 1216582854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they were thinking "WHAT IF PIKHQ IS PLAYING HALF LIFE 2. WE'D BETTER LET OTHER PEOPLE IMPLEMENT IT" < 1216582861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed I agree < 1216582871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a reasonable explanation < 1216582883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't ESO have pointed out this issue? < 1216582888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a member of ESO < 1216582892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216582926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been an active topic on #eso for the past few days < 1216582936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues his monologue < 1216582939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ok I can see one big issue < 1216582947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the pointers are 8 bit? < 1216582952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in a cell? < 1216582959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the exact sizess :) < 1216582961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sizes < 1216583000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well how large are the pointers, and how large are the cells? < 1216583011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System word. < 1216583039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so could be 64-bit or 32-bit or such? do you have some standard library to define bitwise operations and so on? < 1216583044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a standard library would be great < 1216583054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A standard library is implicit. . . < 1216583058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a compiler could optimize those into C function implemented in the compiler < 1216583069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note that functions are pass by reference. < 1216583071 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1216583091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, interesting, I may code a compiler to C code, could be fun < 1216583109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today, got to leave soon, but maybe the next few days < 1216583141 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-121-181.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216583224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where is the standard library specs? < 1216583225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are* < 1216583256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where are you working on def-bf, who is on the standard committee < 1216583259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1216583275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I seek to join ESO < 1216583280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. < 1216583294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where should I apply for a membership? < 1216583302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. < 1216583321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1216583324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I will ask ais when I see him next then < 1216583330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may be able to tell < 1216583330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm in charge < 1216583335 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais just has sudoers :P < 1216583338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, #ESO < 1216583343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is +m... < 1216583347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really ask there then < 1216583508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how can a def-bf program find out stuff about the system, say how much memory exists? < 1216583516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what should happen when it runs out of memory? < 1216583519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception tables? < 1216583556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should an implementation do once it can't allocate more memory for the program, or on a division by zero and so on < 1216583649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how are pointers to ? and such encoded? as hexdecimal? with a leading 0x? < 1216583660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of holes in that standard I'm afraid to say :( < 1216583680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: esolangs aren't known for their completeness < 1216583712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, funge being an exception (yes 98 had weaknesses but far from as much) < 1216583718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1216583727 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge-93 is pretty incomplete. < 1216583733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1216583737 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not surprising < 1216583740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't really matter. < 1216583763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is surprising that the 98 one is as complete as it is? < 1216583777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge-98 is just an anti-tarpit < 1216583804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed! < 1216583819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of fun too < 1216584260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are # and ; for the data or instruction pointers? < 1216584304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I just got an idea, I could easily implement the tire 1 (basic commands) in bash < 1216584310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches tusho < 1216584322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm numb by now. < 1216584322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1216584335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calm down, I won't < 1216584351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you remember my brainfuck interpreter in bash? :P < 1216584751 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :Slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584751 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :Polar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :Quendus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 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:oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1216584811 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-121-181.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Slereah__!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-24-242.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.cust.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :lilja!n=ohsohot@a91-152-143-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.112.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-62-101.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Guest53704!n=augur@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-126.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-217-37-54.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Deewiant!n=mniemenm@peridootti.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :mtve!i=mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@71.237.179.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :fizzie!n=fis@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :lifthras1ir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :shachaf!n=shachaf@66.17.178.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Quendus!n=Quendion@145.175.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d11-3.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :Polar!i=polar@arunprasannan.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584811 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1216584836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means questions such as "what should it do when it can't malloc any more" are fruitless: that is OS defined. . . < 1216584836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly defined from within Def-BF. < 1216585150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but assume you make a version that compiles to C code < 1216585162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should run under a hosted environment < 1216585252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for a system programming language , and . make no sense < 1216585255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wouldn't be defined < 1216585258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdio I mean < 1216585267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def-bf itself would define stdio < 1216585278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that they would call out to a couple of stubs. < 1216585283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, this is not my spec. ;) < 1216585306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how do you plan to implement it then if you don't know? < 1216585328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what? < 1216585336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm assuming that they would call out to a couple of stubs. < 1216585347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"assuming" implies "not knowing for sure" < 1216585348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an implementation-defined detail. ;) < 1216585371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about format for pointers? < 1216585373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ? < 1216585378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x123? < 1216585381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1216585448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also how can you make sure you don't collide with wherever the the stacks and variables are stored? < 1216585683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well? < 1216585796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1216586065 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216586239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, also how can you make sure you don't collide with wherever the the stacks and variables are stored? < 1216586246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I never got an answer before you timed out < 1216586256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I never saw that. ;) < 1216586260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1216586261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me then < 1216586264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in ? < 1216586264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x123? < 1216586264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or? < 1216586274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the pikhq, what about format for pointers? < 1216586282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't saw an answer to that either < 1216586292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, read up on assembly. ;) < 1216586303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well this is about Def-BF < 1216586309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know what format it is stored in < 1216586317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and yes I know AT&T syntax quite well < 1216586330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel syntax? not at all < 1216586331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('how can you make sure you don't collide with whereever the stack and variables are stored?' Careful coding.) < 1216586348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the format for arguments to ? ? Ask Rodger. < 1216586348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the implementation got to define where it will put variables in other words < 1216586349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1216586357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who isn't here... < 1216586359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1216586366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got to sleep in about an hour < 1216586368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His spec. < 1216586377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you will need to ask as well < 1216586382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you get around to implementing < 1216586396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I plan to do this as two tires < 1216586403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tire 2 will be a preprocessor < 1216586413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be reused by different implementations < 1216586423 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-70.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1216586428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will just take the "High-level programming:" and turn it into "Basic commands:" < 1216586446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could reuse that as well, but I will implement tire 1 first < 1216586456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is great and all, except that the high-level programming is a bit easier to futz with in some cases. :p < 1216586468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh? < 1216586479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you don't separate the layers? < 1216586487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG!!! HE DOESN"T SEPERATE THE LAYERS! < 1216586488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To implement that preprocessor, you would need to write your own linker. < 1216586492 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S MAIM PIKHQ! < 1216586494 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION maims pikhq  < 1216586496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hm? < 1216586510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me when I say you don't want to write your own linker. < 1216586517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it was no criticism < 1216586534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you want Def-BF on more than one OS. < 1216586538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in my implementation this will compile into a virtual machine more or less < 1216586549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1216586549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the specs doesn't say anything about other stuff < 1216586566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it will be native C < 1216586576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in assembly < 1216586579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will assume there is nothing else outside the Def-BF code < 1216586582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oklopol < 1216586585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone even ever seen it, really? no. < 1216586590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1216586591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, not thanks < 1216586593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I have seen it < 1216586595 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aassemblist < 1216586599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea involves compiling to x86 assembly already in protected mode with the A20 line set up right. . . < 1216586600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't wanna thank me for this. < 1216586600 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ha. < 1216586604 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You call that fuzzy vision assembly? < 1216586614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no proof. < 1216586624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, pure logic leads us to the conclusion that THERE IS NO ASSEMBLY. < 1216586627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, GAS syntax? ;P < 1216586628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for anything else that the Def-BF code needs to do for an OS? Well, that's why we have assembly. < 1216586631 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belief in assembly counts as a _DELUSION_. < 1216586636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, intel syntax is horrible < 1216586643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, assembly is more like those quantum physics. they might seem to explain the phenomena, but no, something that weird simply can't be the truth < 1216586657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Intel CPUs are terrible. < 1216586658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1216586661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually I think assembly is more like god < 1216586665 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in that it's awesome < 1216586667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that it < 1216586668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T EXIST < 1216586670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I got AMD < 1216586673 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly just does not exist. < 1216586684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD's a good implementation of a crap architecture. :p < 1216586685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grammar correction - 'I have an AMD.' < 1216586690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1216586692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, thanks < 1216586700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, I made an error there. < 1216586701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1216586701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1216586705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have been 'grammatical correction'. < 1216586705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAZ AMD? < 1216586706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct? < 1216586708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ? < 1216586711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Only in LOLCODE. < 1216586714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1216586715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1216586729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you are a cat, but right then it's LOLCODE anyway < 1216586730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i got amd" is valid practical english < 1216586743 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no. not really. < 1216586745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's grating < 1216586769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grating? < 1216586774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1216586777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncomfortable to read. < 1216586780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway I don't see why you can't separate the tires? < 1216586819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you will find this horrible tusho < 1216586822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't want my own implementation of ld for each and every CPU this will run on. . . Or each and every OS, for that matter. < 1216586823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry tusho < 1216586825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1216586825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine so. < 1216586827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well sure, sure, but i think that's more the kind of error native ppl make < 1216586829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will emit C code < 1216586833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one function < 1216586834 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1216586836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots of goto < 1216586839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1216586839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as jumps < 1216586842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! < 1216586843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1216586849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1216586851 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's how my Underload compiler worked... < 1216586855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1216586860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a compiler it is ok I guess < 1216586863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*You're* the one paranoid about C being all nice and clean. < 1216586866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1216586879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for loops I will try to output while loops or so < 1216586891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Compiling to C in this case is no easier than compiling to assembly, though. < 1216586906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes it is for me, since my asm is rusty < 1216586925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and two implementations can't be worse than one < 1216586966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where are the specs for the standard library btw? < 1216587024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does the high level code have strings? < 1216587028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in string literals < 1216587044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard doesn't say anything about it < 1216587049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is none specified yet. < 1216587050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string strang strung < 1216587052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess I can assume the standard is complete < 1216587066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :du bist für den glendern gestrongen < 1216587067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well I guess the lower level part of it is complete? < 1216587109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216587285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for location of stacks and direction of growing, I'll make that command line arguments < 1216587297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh and my C implementation will be 64-bit clean ;P < 1216587448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, want to see my quick notes for implementation? < 1216587450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/HCfcDL41.html < 1216587471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my assembly implementation will be suitable for OS development. < 1216587497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but the standard says nothing about that < 1216587775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so? < 1216588026 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakkk < 1216588085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Def-BF is intended for kernel development. < 1216588114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, nothing in the standard saying so :P < 1216588127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you haven't been following Def-BF then. < 1216588132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that makes it interesting is kernel devleopment. < 1216588134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1216588145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I take the standard as the ultimate reference < 1216588161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, btw I need some advice, I'm thinking about buying a laptop, what hardware would you go for? < 1216588165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need decent 3D < 1216588170 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apple. < 1216588171 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1216588172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think high end, flight simulator < 1216588175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not apple < 1216588184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something I can afford < 1216588197 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MacBooks are pretty cheap, but yeah, I don't think they have good 3D. < 1216588199 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about ThinkPads? < 1216588204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard good things about them. < 1216588210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I got no idea, I never bought a laptop before < 1216588212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually said Apple to infuriate you :p) < 1216588218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well ThinkPads can come with linux, iirc < 1216588225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can install linux myself < 1216588229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't an issue < 1216588232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What I mean is that they're linux friendly. < 1216588237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1216588243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a good wiki about them once < 1216588244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find it < 1216588249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki < 1216588257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has loads of details on all the models - maybe something good < 1216588333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1216588349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs wifi with WPA2 (AES), ability to run flightgear, a CD drive, a decent screen, a large harddrive, not to expensive and not too heavy... < 1216588363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get 7 of 7 I bet... < 1216588368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Pick 3. < 1216588372 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki < 1216588374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go fish. :p < 1216588663 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1216588749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where will your implementation store the stacks? < 1216588756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, somewhere in the memory I assume? < 1216588757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where? < 1216588864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ss:0 < 1216588883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ss is? < 1216588889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack segment. < 1216588894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segment... < 1216588906 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : segment... < 1216588908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill. Kill. Kill. < 1216588914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is something not specified by the standard againt < 1216588915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again* < 1216588921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, of course not. < 1216588924 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, it's IMPLEMENTATION-DEFINED. < 1216588929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, that would make it non-portable. < 1216588931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you hated that? < 1216588932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but doesn't x86 share a stack for calling and for data? < 1216588942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and data pointer stack would be separate < 1216588948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%/: and #/; both operate on their own stacks" < 1216588955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote from the standard < 1216588961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your point being? < 1216588966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216588969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that you need 2 stacks < 1216588975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nough. < 1216588979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't answer my question < 1216588979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also ds:0. < 1216588987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data segment right? < 1216588992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216589011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is this segment as in "segments vs. paging"? < 1216589012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid my compiler won't work well in a flat memory space. ;) < 1216589023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to implement a flat memory space you see < 1216589025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1216589038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is what everyone does these days < 1216589049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does any "real" OS use segmentation? < 1216589055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS. < 1216589056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216589066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "modern and real" < 1216589076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS was a hoax! < 1216589081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think OpenBSD uses it to emulate the NX bit. < 1216589103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but it doesn't use it if system got PAE I bet? < 1216589118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can have NX iirc < 1216589128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only 64-bit? < 1216589147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, however I would like to see your compiler working in a flat memory model < 1216589154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all PAE processors support NX. < 1216589161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1216589182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: everything newer than a Pentium and older than an Athlon 64. < 1216589190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1216589202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my CPU got NX anyway < 1216589207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a 64-bit sempron < 1216589211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running a 64-bit OS < 1216589309 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my CPU *has* NX < 1216589317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes and? < 1216589325 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grammatical fix. < 1216589331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1216589332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1216589337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen AnMaster use 'got' correctly yet, actually, so he could just replace 'got' with 'has' all the time :-P < 1216589339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is how it is said in Swedish < 1216589343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easy to mis-say < 1216589345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i guessed < 1216589365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you got it? < 1216589366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1216589373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1216589376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you has it? < 1216589378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1216589384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P;Å < 1216589386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in which context < 1216589387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P;P* < 1216589396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that "it is is how it is said in Swedish" < 1216589400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1216589401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1216589430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is all this low level weirdness on my #esoteric < 1216589445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Def-BF < 1216589454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to low or not to low... < 1216589497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: be careful when answering me, i'm rarely as clueless as i seem to be :D < 1216589521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm usually just making an obscure statement for no reason whatsoever. < 1216589531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway my implementation will follow the standard as defined currently < 1216589545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apart from further information on format of ? operand < 1216589561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION implements def-bf in python < 1216589566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, great < 1216589567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it! < 1216589571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't really think he cares much about your implementation; he seems to be interested in it for the kernel development < 1216589573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will implement tomorrow < 1216589574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to late today < 1216589579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't :P i have enough projects already :D < 1216589581 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the only interesting aspect, I find < 1216589583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I realize that < 1216589585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realise* < 1216589601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the linux kernel is in C < 1216589603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? < 1216589629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I can see how to keep the layers apart and support functions in the lower layer < 1216589634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get a lot of C functions < 1216589638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the result < 1216589646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The linux kernel has hefty asm. < 1216589651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1216589657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the majority is in C < 1216589663 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the most important parts. < 1216589664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in device drivers and such < 1216589674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the arch specific stuff includes asm really < 1216589686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for obvious reasons... < 1216589706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, because the linux kernel is portable < 1216589715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1216589752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, an idea: separate the target specific code from the generic code < 1216589762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, to make it easy to generate, say x86_64 code or ppc code < 1216589794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; that's just fairly standard frontend/backend stuff. < 1216589804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure to do it that way < 1216589816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you could even make a C backend I guess < 1216589825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trvially. < 1216589830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivially, rather. < 1216589834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be run as the kernel? < 1216589840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in linked into a kernel < 1216589844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ some glue asm < 1216589863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some glue C and run in userspace? < 1216589878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there is a good reason for that too < 1216589879 0 :edwardk!n=kmette@67.134.36.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1216589884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging in user space is easier < 1216589886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than in kernel space < 1216589915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bochs is a godsend for kernel debugging. < 1216589942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still user space is easier < 1216589958 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random aside, is anyone here in the Seattle area? < 1216589975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk, is that US? < 1216589975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1216589977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no. < 1216589979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not I. < 1216589992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah is seattle in that us everyone keeps talking about? < 1216589993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Boston. < 1216590006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that in US then? < 1216590013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1216590019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I said I was close to Hallsberg < 1216590025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what country would that imply? < 1216590030 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh, we should hit a bar or something some time when I'm back there. < 1216590030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet most wouldn't know < 1216590030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK. < 1216590032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet... < 1216590037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all assume we know of US < 1216590038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: Underage. < 1216590039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: swedish < 1216590040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unfair is that? < 1216590042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1216590043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, good < 1216590047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sweden < 1216590050 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fair nuff < 1216590052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pikhq was wrong < 1216590056 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The USA is an economic and political superpower and one of the largest and most populated nations in the world. < 1216590059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a random guess. < 1216590063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and? < 1216590064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say it's unfair rather than inevitable. < 1216590079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still don't own the world < 1216590092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you know where New York City is? :p < 1216590099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I do happen to do that yes < 1216590108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boston is the same thing < 1216590109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good; you have *one* of our cities. < 1216590117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but do you know where Stockholm is? < 1216590123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden. < 1216590124 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sweden < 1216590124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in where in Sweden < 1216590129 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere. < 1216590132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I know where in US New York is < 1216590132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1216590146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know where in UK London is < 1216590148 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know the positions of many places. < 1216590151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but do you know where new york city is in new york? < 1216590154 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much only a few places in the UK. < 1216590160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah; no. You see, European countries tend to be approximately the same size as our *states*. . . < 1216590174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, going for that exact analogy < 1216590174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, but I didn't ask where in Stockholms Län the city is < 1216590182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which would be the same question < 1216590185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: combine what i and pikhq said < 1216590189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generally, we don't even remember where in a state a city is unless we're in that state. < 1216590191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york is a state < 1216590192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not relevant < 1216590204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe, but not really relevant < 1216590224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that New York and Sweden are roughly the same size. < 1216590225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1216590234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1216590236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i think it's just fair to assume non-americans know usa, and not the other way around, since this is usually the case < 1216590239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden is as long as New York to Florida iirc < 1216590245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bit shorter < 1216590247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably know the states as well as an average american < 1216590247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much < 1216590282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so your argument doesn't really hold < 1216590287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I agree it is nowhere as wide < 1216590289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1216590292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not the same < 1216590307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden's area is larger than UK at least < 1216590309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. New York is merely a fourth the area. Fine. s/New York/The East Coast/ < 1216590332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :population is smaller in Sweden though < 1216590336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there you are then < 1216590347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you couldn't even say in what part of Sweden Stockholm is < 1216590356 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He's American. < 1216590358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course going by what they say about the intelligence of the average american, i know a lot more about the states than they :D < 1216590359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; I'm used to being out west. . . < 1216590359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you surprised? < 1216590360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and? < 1216590365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, they should learn! < 1216590370 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASP! He knows more about his country than Sweden. How amazing. < 1216590381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not odd < 1216590388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you know more about your own country < 1216590390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1216590398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans assume the rest of the world do too < 1216590413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a nice way to behave < 1216590421 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1216590423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't. < 1216590427 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not anyone in here, certainly. < 1216590432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't assume ppl know as much about Sweden as Americas assume Swedes know about America < 1216590436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a general issue < 1216590447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just Americans here, but other places too < 1216590451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I know that Stockholm is in Sweden. So your argument against people wondering why you don't know where Seattle and Boston are is invalid. < 1216590454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's comparable. < 1216590471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not really, Stockholm is the capital after all < 1216590491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I know where Washington DC is < 1216590491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you pinpoint d.c.? < 1216590497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1216590499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast answer < 1216590501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1216590504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, east cost, south of New York < 1216590508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he replied in -0.2 seconds < 1216590512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say exactly where, but quite close < 1216590529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't ask for GPS coordinates the other way either < 1216590555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the location of stockholm < 1216590559 0 :CakeProphet!n=chatzill@h222.4.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1216590560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want east or west Sweden, or North/Middle/South < 1216590563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine finland and sweden as a set of cock and balls < 1216590567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland is the balls < 1216590571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, UGH < 1216590576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stockholm is at the bottom of the glans < 1216590580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1216590583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting analogy. < 1216590591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obscene < 1216590591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's easier for US citizens to assume other people know about the US. . . First, we don't deal with other countries on a regular basis. . . < 1216590594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like AnMaster's UGH reaction, though. < 1216590598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UGH! Genitals!" < 1216590605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, not really < 1216590611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it is comparing countries to them < 1216590614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our country is similar in size to continents... < 1216590615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that make me go UGH < 1216590629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that true? < 1216590632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose genitals is it? < 1216590636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they severed? < 1216590648 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in general, non-US people do know way more about the US than we know about their countries. < 1216590668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's approximately the same size as Europe. < 1216590683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, then North America = continent. USA = sizeof(continent). North America consists of Canada and USA (and Mexico?) < 1216590684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1216590710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is also about the same size as Europe. . . < 1216590716 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really think it arises as a consequence of Americans being vain/egotistical/other-adjective < 1216590717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(continent) == sizeof(continent) + sizeof(Canada) + sizeof(Mexico) < 1216590720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't correct < 1216590722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North America is a fucking large continent. < 1216590732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Canada is 0 < 1216590732 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is the size of Europe? < 1216590736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I didn't know that., < 1216590770 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that's almost right... < 1216590777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada and the US are both about 10 million square kilometers in area. (9 million if you only count land claims) < 1216590781 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could check empirically. < 1216590797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe is also around 10. < 1216590801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216590827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The EU is only about 4, though. < 1216590839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in your odd analogy above.. what about Norway? < 1216590862 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can definetely agree that... North American countries are... way way bigger. < 1216590892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Than European countries? By orders of magnitude. < 1216590899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: in general, non-US people do know way more about the US than we know about their countries. <-- yes... that is sad < 1216590909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows how uninformed most Americans are < 1216590930 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shrug- I honestly think < 1216590935 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a condition of circumstance < 1216590943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Once again: most US citizens don't typically leave the US on a regular basis. < 1216590953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, pinpoint the capital of Norway < 1216590964 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know it? < 1216590965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even the capital of France < 1216590970 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know it either. < 1216590976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital of Germany? < 1216590977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess that it's roughly equivalent to the amount of people that leave Europe on a regular basis. < 1216590986 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....yes I know that one. < 1216590990 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is being pretty fracking rude with his stereotypes of Americans. < 1216590990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Capital of Colorado? < 1216591005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh oh -raises hand- < 1216591007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh ho. Nice one pikhq. < 1216591012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no clue, but capital of US yes. but I'm talking about countries < 1216591018 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1216591019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, tell then < 1216591020 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see < 1216591026 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have like four-billion countries < 1216591027 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The sizes are the same .. < 1216591028 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas we have... 3. < 1216591031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe < 1216591037 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is a fair comparison, AnMaster. < 1216591047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but legally countries are countries < 1216591055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is a fair comparsion that way < 1216591062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a useful definitino. < 1216591063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*definition < 1216591066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well afk < 1216591067 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about humans. < 1216591068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1216591091 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just a consequence of relevance. The capital of France is simply not useful information on most days in the US. < 1216591093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1216591097 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1216591201 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that the average American doesn't respect the existence of such countries. They are simply too disconnected, perhaps less by choice and more by environment. < 1216591285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:53… AnMaster: oklopol, in your odd analogy above.. what about Norway? <<< indeed, what about norway? i didn't mention it. < 1216591351 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lives in the US state of Georgia, ftr. < 1216591376 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the capital of Georgia is internationally relevant or not. < 1216591384 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a big city, no doubt. < 1216591445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't have remembered the capital < 1216591461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's barely even locally relevant. :p < 1216591472 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1216591476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATLANTA. < 1216591485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Who cares about Atlanta? < 1216591486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1216591490 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlanta only becomes relevant < 1216591496 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you are attempting to make a cross-country flight < 1216591498 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US < 1216591501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1216591519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i doubt AnMaster knows even all european capitals, just scandinavia + the ones that are historically relevant < 1216591557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have all kinds of fucking schiblamastads here < 1216591595 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport, Coke, CNN (Turned Broadcasting) = Atlanta < 1216591601 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Turner < 1216591644 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know most of the west Europe capitals. < 1216591670 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not where they're located in the country. < 1216591674 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Berlin for some reason. < 1216591685 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably from history class... lolcoldwar. < 1216591898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Georgia has some cool bands! < 1216591917 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I just got back from a huge camp out thing. < 1216591920 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome music. < 1216591933 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host57-86-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1216591943 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was seriously this amazing drummer who was like... inbred. < 1216591963 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like Deliverance. < 1216591971 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet! :O < 1216591971 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1216591974 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :O < 1216591977 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. ;D < 1216591979 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho! :O < 1216591980 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die. < 1216591988 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1216592000 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1216592009 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. < 1216592011 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it goin < 1216592019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno Guest53704 < 1216592139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1216592142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1216592147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Guestie < 1216592239 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1216592241 0 :Guest53704!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1216592250 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking nickserv < 1216592553 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216593149 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216595218 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1216595360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which languages can you do the following: create an object that stores the average value of some variable for a certain amount of updates < 1216595361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that < 1216595369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have speed < 1216595387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to know what the average speed is for a certain amount of cycles < 1216595398 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any stream processing language, lucid for instance < 1216595398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd make an averagestorer < 1216595409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i haven't finished yet < 1216595425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is < 1216595454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would usually have to store each and every value that's been given as an update < 1216595467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone might query what the overall average is, at any point < 1216595505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the point was, err, are there languages that let you see whether the code has any non-precompilable calls to the getaverage function < 1216595517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could use it when deciding the internal storage for the class storing the averages < 1216595531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is something i've been wanting to add to some language of mine < 1216595545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wonder whether languages actually have it, as i haven't heard about such < 1216596066 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216596808 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216597485 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1216597771 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1216598089 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1216598096 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric