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You can install it by typing: 12:14:26 sudo apt-get install smartmontools 12:14:26 bash: smartctl: command not found 12:14:40 ok 12:14:41 run: 12:14:43 sudo apt-get install smartmontools 12:14:44 then I guess 12:15:20 How do I get on azerty 12:15:40 Slereah-, are you in X? as in graphical windows 12:15:45 or in just a console? 12:16:02 I have a graphical interface yes 12:16:22 Slereah-, ah a bit harder then a sec 12:16:47 Wel I know that I can change it in the install screen. 12:17:05 I could maybe launch it and then cancel after the AZERTY 12:17:18 Slereah-, without a graphical interface it would be loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/azerty/fr-latin1.map.gz 12:17:19 iirc 12:17:23 something like that anyway 12:17:28 maybe not with .gz at the end 12:17:41 Slereah-, but yes that could work I guess 12:17:42 :) 12:18:13 Yes, it work 12:18:18 Slereah-, great 12:18:29 ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ smartctl 12:18:29 smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen 12:18:29 Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ 12:18:29 ERROR: smartctl requires a device name as the final command-line argument. 12:18:29 Use smartctl -h to get a usage summary 12:18:36 Slereah-, good it is installed now 12:18:41 Slereah-, what is the harddrive with the issues? 12:18:49 Slereah-, something like /dev/hdb likely 12:18:56 /dev/hda is probaly your first 12:19:08 I have five hard drives plugged in. 12:19:20 Only three show up on Linux. 12:19:25 Slereah-, well ok, is the bad harddrive SATA or PATA? 12:19:36 Slereah-, ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* 12:19:58 Slereah-, what does that say? 12:20:56 Slereah-, ? 12:20:58 I actually only have 4 now that I think of it 12:21:07 Because of stuff from yesterday 12:21:11 oh? 12:21:15 ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory 12:21:15 /dev/sda /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd /dev/sde1 12:21:15 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd1 12:21:15 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdc /dev/sdc5 /dev/sde 12:21:29 Slereah-, ah 12:21:46 Slereah-, now we need to figure out what one is the broken harddrive 12:21:58 sudo su - 12:22:05 run that so we get a root shell 12:22:12 then we do: 12:22:16 file /dev/sd? 12:22:24 lets see what that says 12:22:34 /dev/sda: block special (8/0) 12:22:34 /dev/sdb: block special (8/16) 12:22:34 /dev/sdc: block special (8/32) 12:22:34 /dev/sdd: block special (8/48) 12:22:34 /dev/sde: block special (8/64) 12:22:41 ok 12:22:46 file -s /dev/sd? 12:22:47 then 12:22:52 (sorry I forgot the -s first time) 12:23:20 /dev/sda: block special (8/0) 12:23:25 /dev/sdb: block special (8/16) 12:23:29 eh 12:23:29 /dev/sdc: block special (8/32) 12:23:30 that's odd 12:23:33 /dev/sdd: block special (8/48) 12:23:37 /dev/sde: block special (8/64) 12:23:38 Slereah-, it should say something else when you use -s 12:23:40 root@ubuntu:~# file -s /dev/sd? 12:23:41 /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, starthead 1, startsector 63, 26426862 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 0, startsector 26426925, 7181055 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x7, active, starthead 0, startsector 33607980, 120921255 sectors; partition 4: ID=0xf, starthead 0, startsector 154529235, 5526360 sectors 12:23:41 /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0x6873a38c; partition 1: ID=0xb, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 976768002 sectors 12:23:41 /dev/sdc: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0xeb9eeb9e; partition 1: ID=0x7, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 78156162 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xf, starthead 0, startsector 78156225, 78140160 sectors 12:23:43 /dev/sdd: x86 boot sector, mbr; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 234436482 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011 12:23:46 /dev/sde: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0xc2514d40; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 976768002 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011 12:23:49 What should it say. 12:23:56 Slereah-, ah like that last 12:23:58 right 12:24:00 seems ok 12:24:03 I misread 12:24:15 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 12:24:15 Slereah-, well ok, all of these drivers seems ok at a quick look 12:24:17 so lets do: 12:24:26 smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sda 12:24:32 smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdb 12:24:33 smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdc 12:24:37 smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdd 12:24:38 smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sde 12:24:41 Well, what I could do is, turn off most of the hard drives. 12:24:41 see what happens 12:24:45 does all say PASSED? 12:24:57 or such 12:25:00 And just leave the broken one and one with enough memory left 12:25:16 Slereah-, each drive should say: 12:25:18 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === 12:25:19 SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED 12:25:27 a works 12:25:35 if it doesn't include that, we know the drive is bad 12:25:46 root@ubuntu:~# smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdb 12:25:46 smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen 12:25:46 Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ 12:25:46 Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device) 12:25:46 A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. 12:25:54 Slereah-, um ok is it usb? 12:26:04 that could cause it 12:26:04 c-d-e also give that error 12:26:11 Slereah-, are they usb or? 12:26:15 All the sd are usb I think 12:26:26 Slereah-, oh they don't support SMART then 12:26:31 Wait 12:26:34 right a sec 12:26:41 a-b-c-d aren't. 12:26:45 and e too 12:26:50 hm 12:26:53 They're my partitions on my hard drive 12:27:03 Slereah-, on that would be /dev/sda2 12:27:05 And as you know, it has problems and such 12:27:07 the number is the partitions 12:27:16 the letter the disk 12:27:50 How come they contain exactly what the hard drive contains then? 12:27:58 eh, they do? 12:27:59 Three Windows installations and two linux. 12:28:10 (It was a rough couple of months) 12:28:29 -!- timotiis has joined. 12:28:31 Slereah-, ok lets just disconnect all drives that works 12:28:39 and leave the broken disk only 12:28:43 Slereah-, that should help 12:28:45 Done. 12:28:53 Slereah-, ls /dev/sd? 12:28:56 to see what one that is 12:29:12 root@ubuntu:~# ls /dev/sd? 12:29:12 /dev/sda /dev/sdd 12:29:35 aha 12:29:43 it is sdd then 12:29:50 ls /dev/sdd* 12:29:54 I sure hope so 12:29:55 to see what partitions it got 12:30:09 root@ubuntu:~# ls /dev/sdd* 12:30:09 /dev/sdd /dev/sdd1 12:30:13 then, file -s /dev/sdd* 12:30:24 lets see what they contain 12:30:35 /dev/sdd: x86 boot sector, mbr; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 234436482 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011 12:30:35 /dev/sdd1: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows 98 Bootloader, code offset 0x5a, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 64, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors 234436482 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 28611, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x17ea3758, unlabeled 12:30:41 interesting 12:30:45 let me thing a second 12:30:50 Why the fuck does it contain windows 98. 12:31:00 think* 12:31:06 I mean, sure, it's the oldest one and I used 98 for quite a while. 12:31:21 yes it was *made* by windows98 12:31:22 Although maybe I did use it to install it on. 12:31:23 that is what it means 12:31:27 Oh. 12:31:36 How peculiar. 12:31:51 Slereah-, anyway so far it doesn't seem to be a broken harddrive 12:32:23 fsck.vfat -t -r /dev/sdd1 12:32:23 Well, is there a way to check what it contains? 12:32:37 Slereah-, that will do a disk check 12:32:38 including checking for bad sectors 12:33:05 Slereah-, brb need to get some water 12:33:09 root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -r /dev/sdd1 12:33:09 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN 12:33:09 Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384 12:33:23 SOMEONE STOLE MY BYTES D: 12:34:16 Slereah-, eh 12:34:22 Slereah-, well it is some harddrive error 12:34:32 Slereah-, say yes when it asks if you want to fix stuff 12:34:34 this may take a bit 12:34:44 I sure want to fix it 12:35:16 But by that, do you mean that it will ask me, or that you're going to give me a command that will then ask me to do it 12:35:30 Because now, it's over and I wasn't asked anything 12:35:38 Slereah-, it will ask you 12:35:40 wtf 12:35:43 Slereah-, that is odd 12:35:48 root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -r /dev/sdd1 12:35:48 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN 12:35:48 Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384 12:35:48 root@ubuntu:~# 12:35:53 that's all? 12:36:03 I cannot tell a lie! 12:36:06 odd 12:36:08 I also must go nom nom 12:36:14 I will come back soon 12:36:29 fsck.vfat -t -a -f /dev/sdd1 12:36:31 maybe 12:36:39 actually 12:36:41 fsck.vfat -t -a -v -f /dev/sdd1 12:36:46 that is the best guess 12:37:45 I will brb too, highlight me so I notice you are back 12:41:58 -!- Corun has joined. 12:46:14 -!- olsner_ has joined. 12:49:27 Slereah-, if that last command gives the same bad result, try this: 12:49:59 badblocks -n /dev/sdd1 12:50:05 don't abort that command! 13:01:25 I'm back 13:02:04 root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -a -v -f /dev/sdd1 13:02:08 dosfsck 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) 13:02:12 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN 13:02:24 Checking we can access the last sector of the filesystem 13:02:28 Boot sector contents: 13:02:32 System ID "MSWIN4.1" 13:02:36 Media byte 0xf8 (hard disk) 13:02:40 512 bytes per logical sector 13:02:44 32768 bytes per cluster 13:02:48 32 reserved sectors 13:02:52 First FAT starts at byte 16384 (sector 32) 13:02:56 2 FATs, 32 bit entries 13:03:00 14648832 bytes per FAT (= 28611 sectors) 13:03:04 Root directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size) 13:03:08 Data area starts at byte 29314048 (sector 57254) 13:03:12 3662175 data clusters (120002150400 bytes) 13:03:12 63 sectors/track, 255 heads 13:03:12 63 hidden sectors 13:03:12 234436482 sectors total 13:03:12 Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384 13:03:12 root@ubuntu:~# 13:03:27 And badblocks is giving me numbers. Of blocks, I assume. In a state of badness. 13:03:54 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:04:11 Owait 13:04:23 Linux just found the hard drive in question 13:04:30 (Outside the terminal) 13:04:42 I recognized the name of the volume 13:04:58 Although the clicking on open does not give many openings. 13:05:29 AnMaster 13:10:56 back 13:11:09 And badblocks is giving me numbers. Of blocks, I assume. In a state of badness. 13:11:10 hm? 13:11:27 it is probably giving you how many blocks it checked 13:12:02 Slereah-, give me an example of the badblocks output 13:12:21 Slereah-, if there are a lot listed then the disk is probably not recoverable 13:12:42 Welcome back then. 13:12:42 I certainly hope so, because there's a whole lot of numbers. 13:12:42 It would probably be a bad sign if it were the bad sectors. 13:13:14 So far : 13:13:15 root@ubuntu:~# badblocks -n /dev/sdd1 13:13:15 11776 13:13:15 11777 13:13:15 11778 13:13:15 11779 13:13:17 11780 13:13:19 11781 13:13:21 11782 13:13:21 -!- Slereah- has quit (Excess Flood). 13:13:36 -!- Slereah- has joined. 13:13:49 If those are the bad blocks, it would indeed be a bad sign 13:15:40 Although so far, it's the most I've seen of this hard drive for months. 13:16:12 I can see its actual volume name, the free space left on it, its size, its number of folders and files. 13:16:24 The only thing it lacks is the ability to actually open it. 13:17:46 Before, I would either not see it at all on Linux or see it as "Disk E" on windows. 13:17:46 Where it would say that it had a size of 0B. 13:18:27 ok 13:18:33 that are broken blocks 13:18:34 :( 13:19:00 Slereah-, they are broken blocks indeed 13:19:03 so not much we can do 13:19:05 sadly 13:19:32 Slereah-, that harddrive is dead in other words. rest in peace and piece 13:19:54 Slereah-, in the future remember to make backups 13:21:38 -!- olsner_ has quit. 13:23:30 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:25:22 -!- ubuntu__ has joined. 13:27:39 :/ 13:27:47 ubuntu__, the drive is dead I'm afraid 13:27:50 not much you can do 13:33:01 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 13:33:58 -!- ubuntu__ has changed nick to Slereah_. 13:34:11 Is there no way to get back some data? 13:34:54 Also can I stop badblocks. It saud nothing since 26263 13:38:22 -!- SchrodingersCat has joined. 13:42:32 Holy snowcone 13:42:37 I just stopped badblocks 13:42:43 And opened the hard drive 13:42:46 And it actually opened 13:42:56 Quick, to save that on the other hard drive! 13:44:26 hm 13:44:39 Slereah_, ok try it 13:44:42 Slereah_, worth a try! 13:44:47 Like hell I am! 13:44:50 badblocks disables the bad blocks, right? 13:44:59 I don't have a fucking clue 13:45:02 yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks 13:45:06 It marks these sectors so that they are not used in the future and thus do not cause corruption of data. 13:45:11 I'm gonna download this sucker dry. 13:45:32 I hope that there's not too many corrupted files. 13:47:12 Of course, since there's a hundred gig of data in there, it might take a while. 13:47:32 This is also why I don't do back up : I have somewhere around 500 gigs of Data. 13:47:50 And I don't have a hundred DVDs. 13:48:02 -!- SchrodingersCat has left (?). 13:48:10 so buy a 500 gig hard disk 13:48:12 and back up to it 13:48:37 Well, 500 gig HD don't grow on trees 13:48:39 probably cheaper than the hundred DVDs, too. 13:48:44 That is, except the data tree 13:48:58 no, but somehow they wind up in shops anyway 13:49:14 Yeah, but they ask for pieces of papers. 13:49:18 Made from trees. 13:49:24 If you catch my drift. 13:49:29 >_< 13:50:31 That's the problem : I'm already buying a hard drive a year just to have free space 13:51:13 So buying one for back up would start to cost a lot. 13:51:34 you don't have to necessarily backup everything 13:51:40 I used to do CD back up, and I still have them, but now it would just be unpractical 13:51:56 but I think storage is fairly cheap these days 13:52:03 Yeah, probably 13:52:09 a hard drive a year isn't that much, to be honest 13:52:14 like a hundred euros 13:52:34 From where I'm standing, I get the impression that the latest hard drive storage is always around a hundred euros. 13:52:42 yes, and it generally doubles your capacity each time 13:52:46 Of course, 4 years ago, it was 80 Go. 13:53:03 I suppose that now, the 500 would cost a hundred too. 13:53:16 yes, it's a bit less than that, I think. 13:53:41 an external drive that size costs around a hundred, an internal can be got cheaper. 13:53:57 I don't care about external-internal. 13:54:12 All my ex-internal hard drives are now external. 13:54:25 The box to make them external is quite cheap. 13:54:33 so even better, you can spend around 150 euros a year to get a lot more capacity + a backup for it 13:54:42 what kind of box do you have? 13:54:58 I don't know the name. 13:55:10 It's like an external hard drive, but without the drive in it. 13:55:18 So you can put in any HD you want. 13:55:33 ah, so you have one of those for each ex-internal drive? 13:55:36 I've got two of them. 13:55:41 eah. 13:55:53 Although I'm not sure my current hard drive will go there. 13:56:13 Not only because it seems broken, but also because the plug on it is of a different shape 14:00:21 -!- ubuntu__ has joined. 14:00:21 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:00:34 -!- ubuntu__ has changed nick to Slereah_. 14:00:57 I should sort my files one day. 14:06:52 -!- jix has joined. 14:12:42 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:13:10 Ah balls, now I can't open it again. 14:13:24 The file transfer blocked on a file, I assume it was a bad block D: 14:13:36 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 14:14:08 I'll just redo the badblocks thingy I suppose. 14:14:30 "/dev/sdd1 is mounted; it's not safe to run badblocks!" 14:14:33 Shit. 14:16:04 -!- olsner has joined. 14:17:30 Owait, it seems to load now. 14:17:51 It just needs a unholy amount of time or something 14:18:06 I'd better throw it in a well as soon as I'm done with it 14:34:44 Hm. 14:34:44 Two of the defective files are from the old DnD cartoon. 14:34:44 Fuck that cartoon, breaking my hard drive. 14:37:55 badblocks disables the bad blocks, right? 14:37:57 no 14:38:03 that is what fsck.vfat would do 14:39:00 Ah fuck. Now there's a Highlander cartoon fucking it up. 14:39:15 Remember kids : cartoons are bad for hard drives. 14:40:40 hah 14:40:58 I'd better throw it in a well as soon as I'm done with it 14:41:03 bad for environment 14:41:05 recycle it 14:41:07 correctly 14:41:35 Like make a festive adornment out of it? 14:42:30 By the way AnMaster, do you know how to access my linux partition? 14:42:42 Slereah_, find what one it is 14:42:46 like /dev/sd4 14:42:48 err 14:42:49 like /dev/sda4 14:42:51 or whatever 14:42:52 then 14:42:57 Since I can't access it from windows, I'd like to get the data out of it 14:43:02 mkdir /mnt/linux 14:43:05 So I can nuke that disk without remorse 14:43:07 mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/linux 14:43:12 and go there 14:43:18 Slereah_, that should work ^ 14:43:28 assuming it is /dev/sda4 14:43:29 mount: mount point /mnt/linux does not exist 14:43:35 Slereah_, I said... 14:43:38 mkdir /mnt/linux 14:43:41 Oh. 14:43:54 mount: /dev/sda4: can't read superblock 14:44:05 Slereah_, find what one it is 14:44:07 Slereah_, find what one it is 14:44:19 Slereah_, check using file -s /dev/sda* 14:44:23 as root 14:44:24 'kay 14:44:36 Slereah_, to see what one say ext3 or such 14:44:56 -!- olsner has quit. 14:45:04 Well, 1 and 2 are Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files) 14:45:18 If they're classed by dates, it should be 1 14:46:45 Ah yes, it works 14:46:48 Thanks. 14:46:57 It's a good thing too, because that's where all my eso stuff are. 14:47:03 Slereah_, hehe 14:47:20 Slereah_, backup everything and just install linux on the entire disk 14:47:21 :D 14:47:29 Are you madly insane? 14:47:32 no need for dirty windows 14:47:35 Slereah_, why? 14:47:42 ok spilt it half/half then 14:47:47 Almost no software works on Linux. Or at least that I can make them work there 14:48:04 As I said, the current hard drive seems fucked up. 14:48:17 Neither GParted or Partition Magic seems to be able to touch it 14:48:39 I tried to resize the partitions and all, but to no avail 14:48:51 Slereah_, tried fdisk to remove and readd 14:48:59 Slereah_, also a tip how to get dual boot to work 14:49:13 assuming you have same partition for windows as before: 14:49:14 Well, I'll try that as soon as my data are safe and sound 14:49:24 Slereah_, did you mount it on /mnt/linux 14:49:26 then: 14:49:35 chroot /mnt/linux /bin/bash 14:49:39 wait 14:49:40 no 14:49:45 Slereah_, don't run that first 14:49:47 you need: 14:49:57 mount -t proc proc /mnt/linux/proc 14:50:04 Don't worry. Rioght now, I'm moving my files on the HD. 14:50:09 mount --bind /dev /mnt/linux/dev 14:50:11 And it might take a while. 14:50:17 mount --bind /sys /mnt/linux/syc 14:50:28 chroot /mnt/linux /bin/bash 14:50:29 then 14:50:31 grub-install 14:50:34 that should solve it 14:50:35 :D 14:50:52 Slereah_, if it doesn't tell me what error that command gives 14:50:55 and we can try again 14:51:20 you will probably need to run *after* chroot: mount /boot 14:51:24 then grub-install /dev/sda 14:51:25 even 14:55:32 Ah fuck. 14:55:41 "You need permission to copy such file" 15:00:51 Slereah_, ah 15:00:56 Slereah_, you need to be root 15:01:38 Slereah_, not sure how on the livecd outside shells 15:01:42 in shells it is simple 15:01:46 just the sudo su - 15:03:03 Well, I'll do the Linux part afterward. 15:03:12 Right now, I'll do the hard drive before it explodes. 15:11:57 Slereah_, good point 15:12:02 Slereah_, is it ticking? 15:12:03 RUN 15:15:38 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 15:21:05 -!- ubuntu__ has joined. 15:21:05 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:23:01 -!- ubuntu__ has changed nick to Slereah_. 15:35:33 "erlang: the movie" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 15:39:54 sinit, but good 15:40:57 it looks like it wwas made about 20 years befoer the language existed 15:46:41 that's the main thing I enjoy about it 15:48:24 Nce acting too 15:48:40 "Hello Joe" "Hello Mike" 15:48:57 "Stalled". 15:49:05 I suppose I'll let it cool or something. 15:49:17 well, I think these guys were actually developers, rather than professional actors 15:49:26 for engineers, they do a pretty damn good job 15:49:35 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:49:45 -!- jix has joined. 15:50:22 Slereah_: ""Stalled""? 15:50:46 -!- pikhq has joined. 15:51:10 File transfer 15:51:29 A fancy word for "0kB/s" 15:54:41 doesn't HTTP have some feature to resume transferring a file partway through? 15:54:51 Not internet 15:54:57 From one HD to the other 15:55:04 maybe not, as I don't recall firefox ever doing it 15:55:07 A hard drive that has known better days 15:55:38 ah, ok 16:03:46 oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 16:03:52 um, wron one 16:03:57 I meantt: 16:04:06 oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal6XbN5cEg&NR=1 16:06:07 I swear I've seen this before 16:10:06 -!- olsner has joined. 16:11:03 -!- olsner has quit (Client Quit). 16:14:02 -!- tusho has joined. 16:14:33 hi ais523 16:17:27 Hello Tush. 16:23:31 Hi Slerea. 16:31:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:31:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYoKCl883c&feature=related 16:32:48 'Lo, Doctor. 16:33:26 pikhq: confirmed 16:36:38 oh jesus christ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1wPFICdUY&feature=related 16:39:02 RodgerTheGreat: Awaiting turing machine. 16:39:34 * oerjan is awaiting the Analytic Engine :D 16:39:54 How's life near the artic circle? 16:40:07 oerjan: Gah, I want an Analytical Engine. 16:40:14 How come nobody has built one? 16:40:14 Srsly. 16:40:17 surprisingly hot 16:40:30 well, not today, but a couple days ago 16:40:57 tusho: a virtual one _should_ be feasible, you'd think 16:41:08 perhaps someone did that 16:41:09 tusho: There's an interpreter for it on the internet 16:41:11 oerjan: yes, and why not a real one? 16:41:21 I'm not that hot with the analytical engine so I dunno if it's really hard or something 16:41:23 tusho: because of $$$$ 16:41:26 but it's been like 5 billion years 16:41:26 :( 16:41:35 Well, because a real one would be gigantic 16:41:43 Slereah_: precisely! 16:42:21 the problem with building an analytical engine comes mainly from the fact that it needs thousands and thousands of complex, precisely machined custom parts 16:42:48 * oerjan is disappointed that "fuck man i'm haf" isn't a palindrome. or is it? 16:43:05 it's sort of close 16:43:12 oerjan: it's the produce of moozilla writing a spec on drugs, according to official (moozilla-approved) reports 16:43:17 but yes, it'd be more fun as a palindrome 16:43:22 it's not all that different from why babbage failed to make one in his day 16:43:26 fah m'i nam kcuf 16:43:40 -!- tusho has set topic: fuck man i'm haf fah m'i nam kcuf. 16:43:42 now it's a palindrome 16:43:51 -!- tusho has set topic: fuck man i'm haf fah m'i nam kcuf | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 16:43:53 NAM NAM 16:44:25 I think you mean "NAM MAN" 16:45:15 NAM MAN NAM MAN 16:45:18 yum 16:45:20 a nam, a man, a plan 16:46:27 tusho: do you mean there is something on the outerloom about "fuck man i'm haf"? google fails me 16:46:37 oerjan: moozilla posted a spec here 16:46:39 at the bottom was 16:46:39 lol: 16:46:41 fuck man i'm haf 16:46:52 we enquired wtf that means and it turns out he wrote half of the spec on drugs 16:46:53 oh here in the channel? 16:46:56 yes 16:47:34 I bet 'fuck man i'm haf' actually transforms the language 16:47:39 into a thing of beauty and amazingness 16:47:43 but we'll never comprehend it.. 16:48:40 well not without the right drugs anyhow 16:49:38 -!- pgimeno has left (?). 16:50:37 oerjan: that'll be a problem if the US government selects it to replace ada 16:51:02 not really, since they would only do that if they were on the right drugs anyhow 16:51:36 oerjan: no, we're assuming that 'fuck man i'm haf' actually transforms it into the perfect language 16:52:08 well, then do the transformation first. 16:52:33 -!- cybergirl has joined. 16:52:46 oerjan: can't 16:52:48 it's too magical 16:53:52 "erlang: the movie" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 <-- great! 16:55:34 -!- cybergirl has quit (Client Quit). 16:56:45 oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal6XbN5cEg&NR=1 <-- ARGG! 16:56:47 ARGH* 16:58:25 { 16:58:26 This is the first ever music video about programming that has been written and performed by an actual programmer. } 16:58:26 what 17:00:15 hah 17:00:20 you know those nabaztag bunny things 17:00:25 that acn speak out rss feeds and email 17:00:27 and have an api? 17:00:29 -!- selb has left (?). 17:00:34 Some idiot set up a text box that lets you make it say anything. 17:00:45 I wonder if it's saying "FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK" as we speak? 17:04:47 oerjan: that'll be a problem if the US government selects it to replace ada 17:05:00 isn't the JSF using C++ 17:05:07 I'm pretty sure it is for some parts 17:05:14 shrug 17:05:15 so they already gave up ADA 17:05:19 sadly 17:05:25 ADA looks like a very interesting language 17:06:43 oh lord: 17:06:43 'Programmers suck balls' 17:06:47 a reddit comment 17:06:56 I've replied explaining that programmers _might_ have made reddit 17:07:25 Nah, they're too busy sucking balls. 17:07:36 Ah. 17:07:39 Who made it then? 17:07:52 Well, it clearly was intelligent design 17:07:59 So I think Jesus was involved. 17:08:37 ah 17:09:03 rubbish, it clearly evolved, that explains why it sucks so much (balls). 17:11:45 hahah 17:12:38 erlang looks like a very nice language, I even have it installed because wings3d use it 17:13:15 * SimonRC reads up 17:13:31 (was distracted by google tech talk) 17:15:39 erlang is cool 17:15:52 tusho, but those actors were quite bad 17:16:03 AnMaster: i haven't seen it, but, um, it's about programming 17:16:05 suprise suprise, then 17:16:08 *surprise 17:16:24 tusho, well maybe they were real engineers not actors 17:16:36 Very likely. 17:16:43 that could explain it 17:18:28 tusho, have you seen this: http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/om24550.html 17:18:38 not programming but quite cool IMO 17:18:55 that is cool 17:19:19 http://www.oddmusic.com/clips/sea_organ.mp3 17:19:19 lovely 17:19:59 really lovely 17:20:28 tusho, yes I was surprised that it sounded as good as it did 17:20:48 i love non-human-made music 17:22:03 -!- olsner has joined. 17:26:20 tusho, really? 17:26:25 yes 17:26:32 what OS are you on? 17:26:38 Linux: aplay /dev/sda 17:26:39 :P 17:26:44 hehe, os x 17:26:44 freebsd: 17:26:46 I used to like: 17:26:55 cat /dev/whateveritis > /dev/dsp 17:26:59 cat /dev/random >/dev/audio 17:27:08 don't think OS X has a /dev/ file for audio though, I may be wrong 17:27:14 tusho, that is white noise more or less! 17:27:24 AnMaster: yes but if you turn it down it's quite soothing 17:27:28 rustly leavy 17:28:12 tusho, you should not do it, don't deplete the entropy pool in /dev/random 17:28:16 maybe /dev/urandom ok 17:28:29 AnMaster: i hope you're joking 17:28:39 tusho, partly yes 17:28:44 the UNIX POLICE will come after me for REDUCING ENTROPY by LISTENING TO /DEV/RANDOM 17:28:46 :D 17:28:51 hah 17:28:58 SAVE THE UNIVERSE, PRESERVE ENTROPY 17:29:16 Preserve entropy: rm /dev/*random 17:29:31 pikhq, XD 17:29:42 oerjan, nice twist! 17:29:42 pikhq: :D 17:30:10 tusho, anyway listening to an NTFS partition is quite interesting 17:30:16 tusho, it actually produces tone 17:30:19 tones* 17:30:24 AnMaster: maybe that's the origin of ntfs 17:30:26 an audio generator 17:30:30 hah XD 17:30:31 that would explain why it's a crappy filesystem 17:31:02 some noise and after a while a series of low tones about 1/10-1/4 seconds long 17:31:54 -!- Sargun has quit (No route to host). 17:32:47 tusho, it even got a nice beat, a bit noise in the sound though 17:32:55 upload an ogg? 17:33:05 tusho, how to capture from /dev/dsp? 17:33:26 AnMaster: don't pipe it to /dev/dsp 17:33:29 pipe it to an ogg encoder.. 17:33:36 (and ^C after a bit) 17:33:36 like what? 17:33:38 can you make emelets by crushing oggs? 17:33:39 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:33:48 oerjan, ha! 17:34:01 AnMaster: uh, the xiph.org ogg encoder? 17:34:03 oggenc, I believe? 17:34:05 you know ... just do 17:34:08 oggenc --raw /dev/fs -o foo.ogg 17:34:09 or something 17:34:12 and ^C after a bit 17:34:24 tusho, well lets see what that turns out in 17:35:09 tusho, doesn't sound right at all 17:35:15 tusho, it get much higher freq 17:35:22 AnMaster: you'll have to manually specify it 17:35:26 since it's raw pcm data 17:35:33 tusho, well I got no idea what to specify for it! 17:35:40 AnMaster: play around with values 17:35:46 oggenc --help, anything related to sample rate? 17:35:48 # aplay /dev/sdb1 17:35:49 Playing raw data '/dev/sdb1' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono 17:35:52 that produces useful 17:36:04 AnMaster: then .. feed it 8000 17:36:05 :\ 17:36:10 and specify mono 17:36:15 `man oggenc` 17:36:31 ah 17:36:44 tusho, ah yes works 17:37:31 tusho, you could extract my file system info from it! 17:37:35 :/ 17:37:41 AnMaster: are you being serious 17:37:43 please don't be serious 17:37:47 haha 17:38:00 tusho, well this is likely just the header 17:38:05 exactly 17:38:09 besides, I couldn't do anything with the data 17:38:14 it'd depend on all the rest... 17:38:19 and finally, the ogg encoding is lossy 17:38:23 thus major quality lossage 17:38:27 thus i couldn't recover it 17:38:35 AnMaster: oh, wait 17:38:38 redo the oggenc with 17:38:40 -q 6 17:38:41 blergh it encoded 18 mb 17:38:43 (ultra-high quality) 17:38:51 since, uh, otherwise it'll compress badly 17:38:51 tusho, why? 17:38:55 'cause of the white noise and similar 17:39:02 haha very funny 17:39:15 wasn't a joke, actually :\ it's likely to compress badly 17:39:19 but whatever, just upload it 17:39:36 sounds nice 17:39:49 yep, upload it somewhere 17:40:16 maybe we need fractal compression to deal with white noise properly 17:40:23 haha 17:40:26 a sec 17:42:25 tusho, http://omploader.org/vbDV6 17:43:18 tusho, like it? 17:43:23 loading 17:43:26 that is my old ntfs disk 17:43:30 no longer in use 17:43:48 the more modern ntfs disk doesn't sound as good 17:43:51 it is just noise 17:44:13 -!- cc_to_ide has joined. 17:44:14 this is good 17:44:25 tusho, odd that NTFS should sound good eh? 17:44:32 it's like what would happen if Autechre were tasked with making rock 17:44:43 tusho, who? 17:44:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autechre 17:45:07 tusho, I don't like rock music myself 17:45:13 but it is better than white noise 17:45:32 i like most kinds of music 17:45:40 tusho, rap? 17:45:50 * AnMaster HATES rap 17:45:54 nothing is worse than rap 17:46:01 most rap is terrible 17:46:16 but some indie-label underground rap is pretty good 17:47:10 tusho, but odd that ntfs sounds like that eh? 17:47:14 yep 17:47:40 AnMaster: care to release that under CC by-sa 3.0? :-P 17:47:45 tusho, no 17:47:49 aww 17:47:51 tusho, don't spread it 17:47:59 :( i wanna make something out of it 17:48:04 tusho, get your own 70 GB NTFS 17:48:09 or whatever it was 17:48:14 the disk was 80 GB 17:48:15 it's just the header ... and it's too distorted to be able to recover _any_ data 17:48:38 tusho, maybe CC-by-sa-nc-nd? 17:48:49 AnMaster: i said I wanted to make something out of it 17:48:53 tusho, maybe CC-by-sa-nc? 17:48:56 & i wouldn't use a -nc sample 17:49:05 tusho, well it would be -nc then 17:49:07 AnMaster: ahem 17:49:12 no discrimination against fields of endeavour, AnMaster 17:49:21 thought you liked free software? 17:49:34 tusho, well yes but music is different 17:49:39 is it, now? 17:49:42 why? 17:49:50 tusho, anyway it is likely to be copyright microsoft? 17:50:01 AnMaster: by that logic MS own your whole disc 17:50:06 because it's encoded with ntfs 17:50:09 yeah wrong 17:50:48 tusho, also I don't believe it is too distorted to recover data from unless you can prove it 17:50:53 * SimonRC wonders if there are any really good Shepard Scales out there... 17:51:02 SimonRC, any good what? 17:51:12 tusho, what did you plan to make with it though? 17:51:14 AnMaster: uh, do you know anything about lossy compression? 17:51:17 all the ones I can find sound like they have a distinct jump up.down in them 17:51:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone 17:51:25 the information loss will be _huge_ especially at the low quality (khz etc) it's at 17:51:27 just human ears suck 17:51:38 notes that go up continuously without getting anywhere 17:51:44 AnMaster: anyway, I'd probably just make some kind of track out of it 17:51:54 or rather with it 17:53:20 SimonRC, the one on wikipedia sounds good 17:54:25 It might be good to be able to tweak the volumes to fit your own ears 17:55:25 the frequency response of human ears is complicated 17:56:09 SimonRC, I didn't hear any gap in it 17:57:55 the fade-in seems quite sudden around the 21s and 42s mark 17:59:27 -!- cc_toide has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:02:43 yeah... I think there must be quite a sharp change in my frequency response at some point 18:02:55 presumably software can be made to hide it 18:05:18 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit. 18:11:00 SimonRC, I see what you mean at high volumne 18:11:02 volume* 18:11:41 SimonRC, but you mean 23 and 45 18:25:41 the rhythmic equivalent: http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/uploads/826/Risset_accelerando_beat1.mp3 18:29:34 in fact that kinda has a shepard tone in it too 18:29:47 SimonRC, that got a clear "jump" 18:30:19 yeah, the point at which one of the tones gains a lower component and the other doesn't 18:30:45 SimonRC, and it horrible 18:31:49 that too 18:32:02 it's all those infinitely-fast notes I expect 18:32:02 SimonRC, how long is it? 18:32:12 in total? 18:32:15 yes 18:32:19 few minutes I think 18:32:23 ugh 18:32:27 * AnMaster stops listening 18:32:50 * AnMaster starts listing to what he was listing to be before (restful music, enya to be exact) 18:34:43 -!- sebbu has quit (No route to host). 18:36:04 well, it is supposed to be paradoxical, not necessarily nice-sounding 18:40:21 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 18:41:46 http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/uploads/826/Risset_accelerando_beat1.mp3 is lovely 18:43:15 are you being sarcastic? 18:43:22 SimonRC: no, i really like it 18:43:25 he must be 18:43:26 ok 18:43:36 AnMaster: nope 18:43:42 tusho, odd 18:43:51 well, I found an apparently improved version... 18:44:00 and the software that renders it is free 18:44:02 ... 18:44:15 SimonRC, open source? Linux? 18:44:19 AnMaster: hey, it has like infinity times more structure than a lot of stuff I listen to 18:44:21 ooh, sourecforge has a windows port... 18:44:24 AnMaster: yes, yes 18:44:34 SimonRC, link then? 18:44:41 http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/2006/09/1634650/Re-Risset-accelerando.html 18:44:45 http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/downloads 18:44:52 * SimonRC tries it out 18:46:45 the mp3 I posted was a rendering of some code that is earlier in the thread that the "improved" code is in 18:47:28 nice either way 18:51:17 * SimonRC comes up with a random filesystem idea.. 18:51:21 "lurking mounts" 18:52:05 it means: if such-and-such directory is created, it should also have a certain filesystem atomically mounted there 18:52:54 SimonRC, why is that interesting/good/esoteric? 18:52:59 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:59:20 Hmm. 18:59:31 I had an idea so that you could REALLY filter /dev/random to make something. 18:59:32 -!- cc_toide has joined. 18:59:39 Specifically a music maker which by default read from /dev/random 18:59:43 And you'd just tweak it until it sounded good. 18:59:56 UNIX editor wars hardcority won! 19:01:21 AnMaster: I was think about windows 19:01:32 oh, wait... 19:01:32 SimonRC, oh? 19:01:34 ah 19:01:53 if you know the director stucture that some program will create... 19:02:02 and you want to split it across devices... 19:02:07 tusho, /dev/urandom or /dev/random? 19:02:14 you don't get a lot from /dev/random 19:02:16 AnMaster: /dev/random 19:02:22 it'd buffer it 19:02:28 it would take time 19:02:37 but you can't mount the directories until the installer has created them 19:02:38 AnMaster: yes, you'd have to leave it starting up for a while 19:02:40 but after that... 19:03:05 SimonRC, well if the installer didn't accept pre-created directories it would be crap 19:03:12 and the installer puts files in the directories immediately after creating them 19:03:34 -!- Slereah- has joined. 19:04:18 I am back people. 19:05:34 Slereah-: Read as 'black'. 19:05:47 Well I am not black. 19:05:54 You know what they say. 19:06:04 "Once you go black, we don't want you back" 19:06:04 no? 19:06:13 ugh 19:07:22 Slereah-: Being black is a choice! Just like being gay! 19:07:34 (The sarcasm level in #esoteric today is more than AnMaster can handle.) 19:07:59 The hard drive is almost downloaded. 19:08:17 * tusho downloads a harddrive 19:08:26 -_- 19:08:33 tusho, WHERE? 19:08:41 AnMaster: /dev/sda1 19:08:45 tusho, haha 19:08:50 Oh, wait, you mean the black and gay people? 19:08:53 tusho, that would be ext3 19:09:04 AnMaster: Fine then. 19:09:06 tusho, no where you can you download a 2 GB drive 19:09:18 And I didn't lose too much data 19:09:18 And most of it, I can probably get back. 19:09:21 Hmm. I wonder where OS X stores its HD devices. 19:09:25 I know the mounts are in /Volumes.. 19:09:38 tusho, see what mount outputs? 19:09:51 /dev/disk0s2 on / (local, journaled) 19:09:53 The more you know! 19:10:41 ok, this is harder than I though... 19:10:45 -!- timotiis has quit (Connection timed out). 19:11:18 the language appears to be smalltalk-based 19:11:28 Whut language, SimonRC 19:12:44 -!- olsner has quit. 19:14:26 -!- cc_to_ide has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:17:13 tusho: The supercollider one 19:39:47 well, it turns ou that the code was corrupted by the email-address-removed in the archiving software 19:39:47 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:40:28 I am using my amazing hacker powers to repair this and learn enough of the language to do so 19:41:29 -!- Slereah- has joined. 19:41:36 oh yea 19:41:38 Back on the windows. 19:41:47 I got it working 19:41:48 I think 19:41:50 The last bit of the hard drive will wait for tomorrow 19:42:25 it sounds more convincing that the other rhythm 19:42:40 summary: 19:42:50 take this code: http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/2006/09/1634650/Re-Risset-accelerando.html 19:43:11 repair the "[EMAIL REMOVED]" with "pulses[1] + pulses[2] + pulses[3]" 19:43:35 how about upload it for u 19:43:35 :P 19:43:38 *us 19:43:42 will do 19:43:54 then set the Server.default to server.internal 19:43:58 then run 19:44:01 'cause, you know 19:44:03 running programs 19:44:05 booooooooooooooooooooooooring 19:44:12 yes, doing it. 19:44:29 suggest where to upload it to 19:54:26 SimonRC, pastebin? 19:54:46 SimonRC, in a way that doesn't need any external program 19:54:56 *sigh* 19:55:00 j/k 19:55:15 I fiddled the fading formula though 19:56:38 SimonRC, upload sample at ompload 19:56:42 that would be good 19:56:50 if that is what you meant 19:57:05 * SimonRC tries to figure out how to record 20:14:00 -!- Ilari has quit ("Won't be back here for at least some time..."). 20:28:13 * SimonRC gives up on that 20:35:59 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 20:36:00 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:37:12 -!- sebbu has quit (No route to host). 20:38:14 -!- sebbu has joined. 20:45:04 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:45:10 -!- Slereah- has joined. 20:49:57 dudes 20:49:57 http://nic.sh/ 20:50:01 think about it 20:50:03 install.sh 20:50:05 GregorR: you'll like that 20:53:02 * SimonRC fails to see the joke 20:56:23 * SimonRC realises that a 22MB audio file is rather large 20:56:41 oh fuck this 20:57:00 SimonRC: shell files 20:57:00 .sh 20:58:16 ah, ok 20:58:25 I thought that nic.sh was the joke itself 20:58:36 but of course, it is the NIC 20:59:15 configure.sh 20:59:20 aw 20:59:21 fi.sh 20:59:22 taken 21:00:05 http://nic.sh/cgi-bin/whois?query=fi.sh&search=Search 21:00:05 * SimonRC looks at the cayman islands' NIC 21:00:06 :( 21:00:13 a.k.a nic.ky 21:06:53 -!- olsner has joined. 21:23:15 SimonRC: hahaha 21:24:39 ba.sh? 21:25:07 unfortunately, .ho isn't a domain 21:25:09 tus.ho 21:25:23 Yet. 21:25:32 (TLDs are for sale) 21:25:36 pikhq: I don't have 50k 21:25:40 What a shame. 21:26:02 pikhq: We should get, collectively, .eso 21:26:05 wiki.eso 21:26:06 eso.eso (for ESO) 21:26:09 brainfuck.eso 21:26:17 http://wiki.eso/Brainfuck 21:28:13 $50/yr? Lame 21:28:38 GregorR: Hmm. Most awesome TLD ever: . 21:28:42 Why? 21:28:44 Because .tld works. 21:28:47 So. 21:28:52 See me at http colon slash slash dot! 21:29:05 GregorR: OR 21:29:08 .www 21:29:11 http://www.www.www/ 21:29:14 com.google.www ! 21:29:21 bah 21:29:22 Oh god it smells of java. 21:29:26 HAHAHA 21:29:43 * SimonRC wishes that domain names were big-endian 21:30:12 and not just so someone could register sh.it 21:30:32 it would fit in properly with the rest of URLs 21:31:09 I would register com.munist 21:31:17 And org.asm 21:31:21 currently the heirarchy goes: 1://4.3.2/5/6/7 which is just ridiculous 21:31:33 GregorR: then sell them for 1000 times the amount? 21:31:48 By what stretch of the imagination is the protocol the highest precedence? 21:31:54 Uh SimonRC 21:31:57 We can register sh.it. 21:32:02 tusho: good point 21:32:11 GregorR: maybe not then 21:32:27 ok: http://3.2.1/4/5/6 21:32:32 er no 21:32:36 protocol is 7 21:32:46 no 21:32:49 No, because the path needs the protocol to be meaningful. 21:32:52 True. 21:32:53 Okay. 21:32:56 Then protocol is 4. 21:33:00 I agree. 21:33:02 4://3.2.1/5/6/7 21:33:04 some protocols don;t have paths 21:33:06 That's not too illogical. 21:33:09 waitamo... 21:33:11 It descends for a bit then rises. 21:33:12 But, to be honest 21:33:15 You want to know the site name 21:33:17 not that it's in .com 21:33:21 protocol must come first... 21:33:30 Admittedly, you generally don't care about the protocol, but still. 21:33:32 It's semi-logical. 21:33:44 (a) it determines what code one uses to access the data 21:33:55 (b) some protocols don't have servers or paths 21:34:04 e.g. file:// or news:// 21:34:05 you can always attach a protocol to a server 21:34:09 that's what dns is all about 21:34:58 tusho: except some protocols don't have servers specified 21:35:08 that's not a URI then 21:35:11 i mean, well 21:35:15 sigh, I'm not explaining this right 21:35:47 anyway, this is distracting from my main point, which is that domains are backwards 21:35:52 which sucks 21:36:18 no 21:36:19 it doesn't 21:36:53 well, it is inelegant 21:37:19 no 21:37:21 not imo 21:37:43 !seen ais523? 21:38:08 I would prefer the endianness of domains to match the rest of the URL (disregarding the protocol for the moment) 21:43:28 -!- timotiis has joined. 21:50:47 -!- olsner has quit. 22:11:34 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 22:24:45 -!- Judofyr__ has joined. 22:25:53 -!- Slereah- has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:26:58 -!- Judofyr___ has joined. 22:27:42 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:28:05 -!- Judofyr___ has quit (Client Quit). 22:28:32 -!- Slereah- has joined. 22:38:50 -!- Judofyr_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:42:37 -!- Judofyr__ has quit (Connection timed out). 22:47:18 -!- RedDak has joined. 22:49:33 * RedDak saluta a tutti! 22:50:17 RedDak: wut 22:57:00 -!- Corun has joined. 23:01:15 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit). 23:01:41 RedDak, wtf? 23:24:52 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 23:30:34 * SimonRC goes to bed.