00:03:10 itd be interesting to try and develop something like relativity but that affects histories instead of simultaneity 00:05:01 the Everett interpretation is a little bit like that i think 00:05:07 ? 00:05:18 Doesn't TOE (assuming it is eventually discovered) provode answers to things like wheither FTL travel is possible and wheither time travel is possible? 00:05:27 many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics 00:05:32 it should 00:06:08 i dont think multiple-worlds QM is the time-equivalent of Relativity's affects on simultaneity 00:06:22 {Based on theoretical holographic principle arguments from the 1990s, many physicists believe that 11-dimensional M-theory, which is described in many sectors by matrix string theory, in many other sectors by perturbative string theory is the complete theory of everything. Other physicists disagree.} 00:06:24 - wikipedia 00:06:27 lolllll 00:06:41 that was so obviously put there by a string theorist 00:06:44 you'd think they'd try harder 00:07:26 Hmm... Wonder if it is possible to combine that E8 theory with Z2 grading (supersymmetry)... 00:07:43 "many physicists" seems to be begging for the weasel word template... 00:07:50 oerjan: you betcha 00:07:56 also, that exceptionally simple theory of everything 00:07:58 is apparently bulshit 00:08:00 *bullshit 00:08:08 read about it somewhere, apparently it's mainly just a load of buzzwords 00:09:53 The main techincal problem seems to be that it can't represent fermions. On the other hand, supersymmetry operator converts between fermions and bosons.... 00:11:02 It also has the weirdness that pretty much all previous theories combined strong force first and then gravity. Apparently that E8 thing first combines gravity and then strong force. 00:12:25 (That's why GUT is theory of strong force, weak force and electromagnetism).... 00:12:35 but not gravity? 00:14:01 the old kaluza-klein theory unifies gravity and electromagnetism, but then it's not a quantum theory 00:14:01 In classical model naming, TOE combines GUT with gravity (and is the final theory). 00:14:30 OTOH, there are theories that involve forces beyound the four currently known... 00:15:00 hm wait this web page claims klein 00:15:12 's part _was_ quantum: http://www.matter-antimatter.com/kaluza-klein_theory.htm 00:15:26 Hulo 00:15:37 hi Slereah_ 00:15:44 but it didn't work 00:16:56 Yeah. Figuring way to merge GR and QM is not trivial. Many attemps have been made, each running into nonsensical stuff (infinities). 00:17:25 what's wrong with infinities? 00:17:30 infinite probabilities, WHATS IT MEAN 00:17:43 theres no such thing as an infinite probability :( 00:18:34 (apparently that web page is affiliated with some people attempting to fix this and probably give their own TOE?) 00:18:35 And even if one doesn't run into infinities, one gets stuff like 10^120 times too large value for some constant (vacuum negative energy density). 00:18:48 Well, infinities are no good in a universe which doesn't explode and all. 00:19:13 you know 00:19:28 maybe the infinite probabilities means it happens in _all_ alternate universes. o.o 00:19:45 Probabilities are [0;1], psygnisfive. 00:19:49 sure! 00:19:53 but if you have TWO universes 00:19:54 Outside, they're non-sensical. 00:20:05 then your probability should be 2! 00:20:10 Why? 00:20:18 simply divide probability/#universes and you get the probability in your universe 00:20:23 or in any one universe 00:20:31 what, /infinity? :P 00:20:33 Yes, but the two probabilities are disjoint. 00:20:41 Or, if they're not, they're not two 00:20:42 ah but what if they're NOT disjoint 00:20:57 tusho: what what infinity? 00:21:08 oh you mean divide by infinitey 00:21:09 yes :) 00:21:15 infinity/infinity 00:21:15 ;D 00:21:24 = 1 :D 00:21:25 :p 00:21:27 psygnisfive: i think my summary is, don't write a TOE :P 00:21:38 BUT WHAT IF ITS TRUE ZOMG 00:21:44 Let physicists do their jobs, dude. 00:21:48 infinity/infinity is not well-defined. 00:21:56 And they will not talk of linguistic :o 00:22:00 ilari: what if it is :O 00:22:09 Shush psygnisfive. 00:22:15 i used to be a physics major, you know. then my school screwed me over and i had to switch majors 00:22:22 afk 00:23:19 Well I'm a physics gradutate. 00:23:21 So I win. 00:23:36 hmm 00:23:37 idea 00:23:40 a new conlang 00:24:04 'Toe' - english translation is the correct theory of everything 00:24:09 now all we have to do is publish a paper in that language consisting of 'Toe' 00:24:14 and we'll be heroes 00:24:24 infinity/infinity can be made to be anything between 0 and infinity by suitable choice of infinities... 00:24:35 Doesn't that exist? 00:24:49 Like for instance, the KJV translation? :o 00:24:57 Some people are scary for it 00:25:26 Slereah_: lol wut 00:25:35 "'Toe' - english translation is the correct theory of everything" 00:25:37 :D 00:26:39 I recently had the idea of a general relativity based particle automaton* 00:26:50 But then, I realized it would be horrible to write 00:26:54 Even the specs. 00:32:32 Hmm... Is there esolangs (besides that unary coding of NULL) that can be proven to be turing-complete, but have all nontrivial programs so large that they can't be written in practice? 00:33:13 Ilari: Yes. 00:33:15 That primes language. 00:33:18 Programs are primes. 00:33:21 Well, any esolang which requires an infinite input, for a start 00:33:27 tusho : Godel encoding? 00:33:30 To write a program, you have to write a program, then encode it into a prime by bruteforcing primes. 00:33:33 Slereah_: Not sure. 00:33:35 It's on the esowiki. 00:33:45 Malbolge is close, too. 00:34:02 thinking of Fractran? 00:34:07 http://pastebin.com/f7a13fa58 00:34:13 Here's an hello world encoding :D 00:34:21 Also, maybe Unary? 00:35:44 the rule 110 automaton of Wolfram's gives some huge programs too, i think 00:36:40 (although someone did improve the unary encoding of a TM to a polynomial one) 00:38:04 what about ais523's wolfram thing 00:38:17 It is infinite too 00:38:21 I think 00:38:33 But, you know, nice infinite 00:38:36 Not random infinite 00:38:37 yeah 00:39:50 Not NAUGHTY infiny. 00:39:57 Lmao. 00:43:12 now we'll have to invent that. 00:43:39 aleph_NAUGHT{Y} 00:44:02 hehe? 00:45:07 the smallest indecent cardinal 00:45:42 One funky thing is what is aleph_1? Question if aleph_1 equals beth_1 (size of reals) is undecidable from basic (accepted) set-theoretic assumptions... 00:46:24 oerjan: we need to define cardinal sins, then 00:46:25 Aleph 1 is the smallest cardinal higher than aleph 0. 00:46:42 Cardinal sins already exists, tusho 00:46:43 so ... the sine function with cardinals 00:46:45 or something 00:46:50 It's the function sin(x)/x 00:47:10 Hey, you're right. 00:47:25 So. 00:47:30 aleph 1 is the cardinal of the first uncountable ordinal, which is again fairly concretely the _set_ of countable well-ordering classes 00:47:34 We need to use cardinal sins to define aleph_NAUGHT{Y} 00:47:37 :D 00:47:54 something involving altar boys, presumably. 00:48:21 yes 00:50:21 cmon guys 00:50:30 we need to design a real crazy language 00:50:41 Malbolge? 00:50:47 something completely bafflingly different yet brilliantly sensible 00:50:49 * oerjan notes that google gives a hit for aleph-naughty. "Infinite to the power of infinite wishes" 00:50:54 psygnisfive: no we need to define aleph_NAUGHT{Y} using the cardinal sin function with altar boys 00:51:35 does it involve raping you? 00:51:54 Possibly. 00:51:59 AWESOME. 00:52:05 http://esolangs.org/wiki/%22The_most_important_thing_in_the_programming_language_is_the_name._A_language_will_not_succeed_without_a_good_name._I_have_recently_invented_a_very_good_name_and_now_I_am_looking_for_a_suitable_language.%22 00:52:16 i think this conversation may be illegal in some US states. 00:52:16 We still need to fill it :o 00:52:35 i think this conversation may be illegal in some USA's.* 00:52:56 i still want to make my language that uses natural-language-like syntactic structures. 00:53:04 and allows quantified values. 00:53:05 :| 00:53:13 psygnisfive: have you looked at Perligata? 00:53:19 So crazy that it lacks anything even seeming like instruction pointer? :-) 00:53:20 no, should i? 00:53:44 challenge: DESIGN AN ALIEN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE. 00:53:46 DO IT. 00:54:33 psygnisfive: also, maybe ORK 00:55:26 perligata is latin-based though, more about inflections than syntax 00:55:46 thats boring. 00:55:54 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:55:58 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ORK 00:56:29 see, i dont want programming IN natural language, or anything that looks like natural language necessarily 00:56:31 that's the one enforced english syntax language that comes to mind 00:56:38 i just want to use concepts from natural language syntax. 00:57:28 How do I conjugate loop? 00:57:46 you're french, you can do it 00:57:48 looper 00:57:50 to loop, loops, looped, has looped 00:57:51 loopée 00:57:57 loopeaux 00:58:00 whatever 00:58:15 looperons 00:58:23 that too. 00:58:29 A(A(g_64, g_64), A(g_64, g_64)) == ? 00:58:32 * AnMaster runs 00:58:41 42. 00:58:42 1 00:58:52 ERROR OUT OF SPACETIME 00:58:59 out of space time haha 00:59:00 oerjan, is correct 00:59:17 psygnisfive, Slereah_: oerjan is actually correct 00:59:28 thats not the point 00:59:47 read up on Graham's number and Ackermann's function 00:59:54 NOT THE POINT. 00:59:58 psygnisfive, why? 01:00:11 oerjan, out of space time by how much? 01:00:19 A LOT 01:00:21 ERROR OUT OF SPACETIME 01:00:23 are there units for space time? 01:00:27 cubic foot seconds? 01:00:41 oerjan, how many iterations of that question until you are not out of spacetime? 01:00:54 Technically, using Planck units to define units of space time, the entire universe is way under 10^150 units of spacetime 01:00:55 still ERROR OUT OF SPACETIME, possibly 01:01:02 oerjan, haha 01:01:23 oerjan, by how much? 01:01:43 so, how long until we have 10^150 bits on a hard drive? 01:02:00 As soon as you can fit the universe into it 01:02:04 ok is it just me 01:02:08 or is this cheating: 01:02:11 (from wiki) 01:02:19 Values of A(m,n): 01:02:25 for m\n = 0\1 01:02:31 A(m,n) = A(0,1) 01:02:34 i believe the holographic hypothesis limits memory to the surface area of the hard drive 01:02:40 i swear, thats what it says 01:02:58 The actual Ackermann function is more complicated 01:03:03 It has three variables 01:03:14 But the two variable version is common 01:04:27 i think this conversation may be illegal in some US states. 01:04:30 thoughtcrime? 01:05:19 Chatcrime 01:05:23 INTERNET CRIME 01:05:23 is it illegal to joke about raping someone who's significantly underage in a context where its obviously a joke? 01:05:55 everyone knows the US law system has no sense of humor 01:05:58 more importantly, in the presence of, and being said to, the person fictionally being raped? 01:06:05 NO HUMOR AT ALL. 01:06:08 HUMOR CLOGS THE TUBES. 01:06:19 psygnisfive: i think it would be more clear-cut if I wasn't 12 :-P 01:06:25 does freenode do coppa? 01:06:28 if so then I shouldn't be here in the first place 01:06:38 more clear cut if you werent 12 how? 01:06:38 tusho: yes 01:06:40 although that law allows it if you fax in a permission form 01:06:46 signed by your parents... 01:06:49 lawl 01:06:53 coppa? 01:06:59 Go ask your parents, tusho 01:07:01 AnMaster: paranoid shit 01:07:03 i can fax your parents a permission slip and if you and your parents sign it i can rape you? 01:07:03 I need to rape you 01:07:06 wtf is coppa? 01:07:06 thank you coppa! 01:07:07 Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. 01:07:13 00:32 - By registering your nickname with Nickserv you agree that you 01:07:13 00:32 - are 13 years of age, or older. For more information about the 01:07:13 00:32 - Children's Online Privacy Protection Act please see their 01:07:13 00:32 - website at (http://www.coppa.org). 01:07:24 ok, well, I'm actually 37 01:07:27 I'm just lying that I'm 123 01:07:28 er 01:07:28 12 01:07:31 that's my official opinion 01:07:31 ok? 01:07:32 so 01:07:35 back to the topic of raping me 01:07:43 -!- cherez has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:07:44 If you're under 13, no Internet for you! Except that's a big exaggeration. You're just not allowed to provide certain information. 01:07:50 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: Let's all rape Tusho! :D. 01:07:58 * ihope rapes tusho 01:08:02 ihope: COPPA is universally ignored except by a few annoying people/ 01:08:03 psygnisfive, where are the logs 01:08:04 pedo. 01:08:05 Wait a minute... 01:08:06 I can't find them 01:08:06 * tusho feels raped by ihope 01:08:08 psygnisfive: hey hey, no leaving out the channel logs 01:08:10 when they are not in the toic 01:08:12 topic 01:08:19 psygnisfive, WHERE ARE THE CHANNEL LOGS!? 01:08:25 WHAT? 01:08:27 -!- tusho has set topic: HTTP COLON SLASH SLASH TUNES DOT ORG SLASH TILDE NEF SLASH LOGS SLASH ESOTERIC. 01:08:35 haha 01:08:38 good way 01:08:42 all urls should be written that way. 01:08:44 you have to type to get them 01:08:48 WORK FOR IT 01:08:56 i'm not just going to GIVE AWAY the log url 01:09:06 colon slash slash is what happens when you have sex without lube 01:09:13 ow 01:09:19 colon slash slash tunes is music you listen to while having sex without lube. 01:09:58 http colon slash slash tunes is music about the web you listen to while having sex without lube 01:10:04 -!- cherez has joined. 01:10:14 who will continue?! 01:10:43 STEP UP AND CLAIM YOUR PRIZE AS NUMBER ONE STUPID INTERPRETATION OF THE TOPIC INVENTOR PERSON 01:10:53 yes 01:10:54 LUBE IN THE TUBE 01:10:55 FIRST TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE TOPIC GETS TO RAPE TUSHO 01:10:57 just add the next two words 01:11:00 oh, hi cherez 01:11:03 we're raping me 01:11:11 we're raping tusho 01:11:32 it's cool tho, he was asking for it. 01:11:45 http colon slash slash tunes dot is the hole you get in your brain when you listen to music about the web you listen to while having sex without lube 01:11:46 i mean, look at how hes dressed, all slutty like that like 01:11:54 -!- ihope has set topic: PUBLIC LOGS: HTTP COLON SLASH SLASH TUNES DOT ORG SLASH TILDE NEF SLASH LOGS SLASH ESOTERIC. 01:12:01 that one is lame. 01:12:10 tusho, you are not one step closer to raping yourself. 01:12:14 Was I supposed to accidentally type "PUBIC LOGS"? 01:12:21 DO IT 01:12:22 psygnisfive: you add 'dot' then 01:12:34 You do it. :-P 01:12:39 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: PUBIC LOGS: HTTP COLON SLASH SLASH TUNES DOT ORG SLASH TILDE NEF SLASH LOGS SLASH ESOTERIC. 01:13:35 -!- Slereah_ has set topic: PUBLIC LOGS: HEICH TEE TEE PEE COLON SLASH SLASH TEE YOU EN EE ES DOT OH AR GEE SLASH TILDE EN EE EF SLASH EL OH GEE ES SLASH EE ES OH TEE EE AR AI CEE. 01:14:32 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: PEE YOU BEE EL AI CEE EL OH GEE ES: HEICH TEE TEE PEE COLON SLASH SLASH TEE YOU EN EE ES DOT OH AR GEE SLASH TILDE EN EE EF SLASH EL OH GEE ES SLASH EE ES OH TEE EE AR AI CEE. 01:14:41 oh hey i know! 01:15:00 PEE YOU BEE EYE CEE EL OH GEE ESS COLON HEICH EE EYE CEE HEIGH TEE EE EE TEE EE EE PEE EE EE CEE OH EL OH EN ESS EL AYE ESS HEICH ... 01:15:08 oh darn 01:15:10 psygnisfive beat me 01:15:12 pee ee ee why oh you bee ee ee ee el .. 01:15:15 no wait 01:15:16 he didn't 01:15:22 I was spelling out the spelling out after the colon too 01:15:35 ... 01:15:40 Pubic log? 01:15:42 What are heich and heigh? 01:15:53 h and ?? 01:16:02 i would like to make a public statement about the topic: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEEEEEH!!!!!!! 01:16:06 h and typo 01:16:10 H and A? 01:16:25 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: AAAAAAAAAAAYEEEEHHH!!!!!!!!!. 01:16:28 PEE COLON <- lulwut 01:16:31 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: PEE YOU BEE EL AI CEE EL OH GEE ES: HEICH TEE TEE PEE COLON SLASH SLASH TEE YOU EN EE ES DOT OH AR GEE SLASH TILDE EN EE EF SLASH EL OH GEE ES SLASH EE ES OH TEE EE AR AI CEE. 01:16:36 PUBICLOGS:*EIC*TEETEEPEECOLONSLIS*... yeah. 01:16:37 -!- tusho has set topic: Welcome to Qrrbrbirlbel. 01:16:40 i'd like to bee in YOUR colon 01:16:42 ;O 01:16:53 Ixnay on the ogslay! 01:17:34 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: double you ee el cee oh em ee tee oh queue arrrrrrrrr! bee arr bee eye arr el bee ee el. 01:17:41 -!- tusho has set topic: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. 01:17:54 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: EFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. 01:18:25 no 01:18:29 you need EFF * number of Fs 01:18:29 yes 01:18:45 JEW LIES 01:18:46 -!- tusho has set topic: EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF. 01:19:04 -!- psygnisfive has set topic: ee eff eff ee eff eff ee eff eff. 01:19:10 -!- tusho has set topic: EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF EE EFF EFF. 01:19:15 let's stop iterating this 01:19:15 -!- oerjan has set topic: Warning: Topical cyclone. Please seek cover.. 01:19:16 <3 01:19:35 0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110 01:19:38 hey hey hey 01:19:39 Or something like that, anyway. 01:19:48 its a new look and say innit 01:19:56 a 01:19:57 ay 01:19:59 ay why 01:20:08 -!- tusho has set topic: Http:// TUNES.ORG cyclone. Please /~nef/ cover. Logs/esoteric. 01:20:09 ay why double you aitch why 01:20:58 awesome 01:20:59 hello 01:21:06 aitch ee el el oh 01:21:08 aitch ee el el oh 01:21:09 oh 01:21:10 okay 01:21:11 let's take turns 01:21:12 hello 01:21:26 i did that already nigga 01:21:33 fine 01:21:52 ay eye tee cee aitch ee ee ee el ee el oh aitch 01:22:32 ee el el o. ee ee space ee el space ee el o. ee ee space ee ee space es pee ay cee ee space . . . 01:22:43 * oerjan predicts convergence of this substitution sequence 01:22:57 hmm 01:22:59 this is interesting 01:23:00 oerjan: no spaces 01:23:03 err 01:23:04 ihope: no spaces 01:23:08 omit the spaces :( 01:23:09 I think by convergence, you mean turning into ais523's Turing tape thingy. 01:23:10 just spell out the letters 01:23:15 Okay. 01:23:18 i'll redo if you want 01:23:28 no i mean convergence to an infinitely long fixpoint sequence 01:23:32 ee el el o. ee ee ee el ee el o. ee ee ee ee ee ee ee el ee ee ee el o. 01:23:53 ay bee cee dee ee eff(!) gee aitch(!) eye(!) jay kay el(!) em(!) en(!) oh pee queue you(!) arr(!) es(!) tee you(!) vee double you(!) eks(!) why(!) zee 01:23:56 ay why ee why ee tee ee ee cee ee ee ay eye tee cee aitch ee ee ee ee ee ee ee el ee ee ee el oh aitch ay eye tee cee aitch 01:23:59 (ihope's was wrong. I fixed it.) 01:24:00 all the (!)ed ones are not self-starting 01:24:01 In this case, I guess that would be ee ee ee ee ee ee ee... 01:24:10 If you're using Haskell or something. 01:24:10 psygnisfive: continue from mine 01:24:14 self starting ones are infinite loops 01:24:27 hm right ee is trivial 01:24:44 and all of course eventually get periodic 01:24:49 someone continue from mine :( 01:25:03 eff, aitch, eye, el, em, en, arr, es, and eks are all non-self starting 01:25:14 or I will 01:25:15 but they each start with self starting ones 01:25:31 you is eventually self starting 01:25:39 fine i will 01:25:40 you -> why -> double you -> dee 01:25:50 oh right 01:25:51 so eventually they're all self starting. 01:25:57 so fixpoints for all 01:26:21 well, not fixed points, but they eventually devolve into containing the same stuff over and over 01:26:24 lets see 01:26:33 the limit is a fixpoint 01:26:41 dee => dee ee ee => dee ee ee ee ee ee ee 01:26:51 ay why double-you aitch why ee ee double-you aitch why ee ee tee ee ee ee ee ee ee cee ee ee ee ee ee ee ay why ee why ee tee ee ee cee ee ee ay eye tee cee aitch ee ee ee ee ee ee ee ee ee ee 01:26:55 awesome 01:26:56 that's "hello" 01:27:16 ef => ee ef => ee ee ee ef => ... 01:27:26 so i guess theres also self-ending 01:27:26 i'ma write a JS thing that lets you type in something 01:27:30 and it morphs into the new versions 01:27:35 tomorrow. 01:27:47 tusho it takes two seconds, dont be such a pussy. 01:27:54 dude it's 1:30am and I'm going 01:27:58 lame 01:28:04 bye 01:28:08 Bye. 01:28:25 :) 01:28:33 LAME. 01:28:34 morph =... your two-second time limit has expired. Please insert coin to proceed. 01:28:35 the bye 01:28:50 Slalom. 01:29:04 er... 01:29:24 i'd say ihope's hebrew is really going downhill there 01:29:37 True. 01:30:03 The only other Hebrew things I remember are "ma is what?" and "you want I should". 01:30:22 -!- tusho has quit. 01:31:23 s/going/skiing/ 01:32:11 Very true. 01:39:01 ... 01:39:06 A hebrew esolang? :o 01:39:13 As approved by YHWH 02:21:49 -!- cc_toide has joined. 02:39:39 -!- cctoide has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:52:43 -!- cc_to_ide has joined. 03:07:32 -!- cc_to_ide has changed nick to cctoide. 03:08:05 -!- cc_toide has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:10:20 sup niggas 03:11:40 Niggery things. 03:12:57 http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/superjerk-is-a-jerk.png 03:19:02 ahahah 03:19:07 Nazi Donkey Kongs. 03:19:17 Captain N is just a dreadful show. 03:20:39 hahaha 03:38:39 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 03:55:04 oh man guys 03:55:18 im doing visualizations of alphabet look and speak? 03:55:23 cooolness. 03:56:28 What? 03:57:18 its COOl dude 03:58:39 Does he have a popped collar? 03:58:44 hell yes 03:58:46 green polo 03:58:53 you know what that means 04:02:40