< 1213920405 0 :ihope_!n=chatzill@pegcompaq.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1213920413 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1213920613 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, RodgerTheGreat. < 1213920619 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1213920621 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else is denied my hello today. < 1213920623 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup? < 1213920626 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much. < 1213920635 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any particular reason I have been chosen? < 1213920707 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it somewhat appropriate because--hey, does this sketch indicate that Dr. T has a device for using his cute little tyrannosaurus arms more like human hands? < 1213920736 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1213920752 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having two claws is rather limiting for tasks involving fine manipulation < 1213920765 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1213920802 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a cute little AI to do with it, rather than somehow being fully controlled by only however many degrees of freedom two claws gives? < 1213920827 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go into detail. I was thinking neural interface < 1213920840 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1213920851 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's Dr. Tyrannosaurus, not Doc Oc. < 1213920886 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1213920927 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1213920939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1213921912 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder < 1213921922 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is lambda calcul named thusly? < 1213921933 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the pi <-> processus, but why lambda? < 1213922016 0 :edwardk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213922021 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when Church invented it, he decided to use a lambda to denote a function, then he named the thing after it. Or some other such, I guess. < 1213922100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda seems like an odd choice, though < 1213922106 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he liked sheep? < 1213922121 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so what did you name that construct of yours?" "lamb, duh." < 1213922122 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be a better choice? < 1213922122 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wasn't German or anything, so what could it mean in English? < 1213922131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox 3 was mentioned on the Cobert Report on Tuesday < 1213922159 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go with my explanation, it makes so much sense i could swallow it whole. < 1213922172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, since I don't know what it stands for < 1213922224 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S:"explain X" o:"explains X..." S:"i don't know if that's right because i don't know what's right" < 1213922228 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you can't question everything < 1213922235 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things, you just have to accept. < 1213922260 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like peanuts, the existance of god, and the sheep fetish church had < 1213922280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Church wasn't sexy, so it doesn't fit in my head < 1213922283 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot picture it < 1213922287 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to. < 1213922538 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just silly < 1213922544 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just being silly < 1213922547 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sillydoodles. < 1213922644 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in the original article :o < 1213922656 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's invoke the spirit of Alonzo Caspip. < 1213923594 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1213923833 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in pi calculus, threads send channels to each other via channels? < 1213923972 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a way to see it. < 1213924000 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also throw the semantics away and just keep the name transfering. < 1213924073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use biscuit trucks. < 1213924075 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1213924079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho left? < 1213924081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1213924091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I made an ebuild for C-INTERCAL < 1213924135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1213924190 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai. < 1213924216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem with the names is, I don't have an easy way to mix the names and the functions. < 1213924334 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: eagerly waiting for limp < 1213924352 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be too eager. < 1213924363 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much clue of how to deal with pi in scheme. < 1213924368 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you tell me what not to be too. < 1213924544 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure what language to use. < 1213924568 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be easier in Python, since it has lambdas, function definition and is imperative. < 1213924659 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe slow. < 1213925168 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how slow? < 1213925238 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1213925248 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is usually quite slow when I make it do huge things. < 1213925263 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from what I saw, it doesn't fare well in performance tests. < 1213925356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any critics on the language so far? < 1213926123 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hulo? < 1213926461 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oklofok < 1213926468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how has reactance changed? < 1213926468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1213926484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i can show you logs tomorrow < 1213926487 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now sleep -> < 1213926494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just off the top of your head < 1213926499 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think has changed? < 1213927332 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People of Esoteria < 1213927379 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think I need a particular way to differentiate strings (ie : list of numbers) from names in limp? < 1213927390 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I just try to let the context do it? < 1213929619 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings vs names?? < 1213929625 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the supposed difference? < 1213929641 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the I/O works with strings. < 1213929649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1213929656 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they are lists of numbers, for the functional part. < 1213929662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whar? < 1213929683 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, they're not really lists. They're consed together like a conga line (there's no null type) < 1213929702 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oookay < 1213929720 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the pi part uses names. < 1213929728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, you're doing pi calculus < 1213929733 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, i have nothing to contribute < 1213929737 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1213930826 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have any non-deterministic bits, does it? < 1213930855 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apart from any undefined behavior it may have. < 1213930882 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sure it has some random number liberries < 1213931065 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but saying "flip a coin" is not the same as saying "pick one". < 1213931127 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he could pick the one on the left if it's head. < 1213931205 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing "left if it's heads, right if it's tails" isn't really a choice at all, as "right if it's heads, left if it's tails" produces exactly the same result. < 1213931280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then on what criterias do you chose? < 1213931288 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how is that non-determinism? < 1213931346 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I have the Meow Mix song on my MP3 player, and never knew about it. < 1213932028 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I have a programming language with a function pick(a,b) that returns either a or b, a compiler might always return a, or always b, or whichever's smaller, or whichever looks more like a giraffe in its opinion. < 1213932041 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever, in the compiler's opinion, is best. < 1213932072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1213932081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, wouldn't that depend on the compiler? < 1213932086 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1213932097 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why ask about Huskoll? < 1213932175 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus Hoskoll is horrible :o < 1213932178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huskoll? < 1213932181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoskoll? < 1213932198 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoskoll. < 1213932209 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's derived from Losp. < 1213932210 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should Haskell not have nondeterministic stuff, if that's what you're asking? < 1213932232 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking that if it depends on the compiler, why ask about the language. < 1213932250 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is what specifies what the compiler's allowed to do. < 1213932265 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the compiler is given freedom, that's nondeterminism of a sort. < 1213932270 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1213932276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have no idea. < 1213932492 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask #haskell mehbe? < 1213932568 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/bugs-and-infelicities.html < 1213932577 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"13.1.2. GHC's interpretation of undefined behaviour in Haskell 98" < 1213932581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar? < 1213935783 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR[Prague] < 1213937505 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213937768 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive < 1213938485 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm|--0@219-88-194-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1213938712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213938730 0 :Slereah_!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-23-183.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213939326 0 :Slereah!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-23-183.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213939332 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213939434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213940018 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1213940020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1213940135 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242397933.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1213940282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello guy. < 1213940304 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1213940328 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it going? < 1213940343 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, yourself? < 1213940378 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just dandy. < 1213940387 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost finished the specs of my new language. < 1213940410 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, can i see? < 1213940457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Slereah/Limp < 1213940979 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still need to clean up the page, though < 1213941010 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1213941033 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1213941037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any critics? < 1213941045 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1213941192 0 :kwertii!n=kwertii@c-71-202-121-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213942266 0 :cherez1!n=cherez@cpe-76-167-242-249.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213942271 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213942303 0 :cherez1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cherez < 1213942305 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1213942441 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1213942957 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213942977 0 :Slereah_!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-23-183.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213943773 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1213944231 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.. thats neat < 1213944238 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XORs are conditional inverters :) < 1213946066 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-79-136-60-96.NA.cust.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1213946907 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! < 1213947787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : XORs are conditional inverters :) <-- yes and? < 1213947809 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its cool. < 1213947817 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is cool? < 1213947820 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fonz. < 1213947827 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyyyyyy < 1213948611 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-152-134-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1213948620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :D < 1213948625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning :) < 1213948799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1213948800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1213949636 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213949894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! >O < 1213949921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to consider two things, oklopol. ais brought them up earlier. < 1213949941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think we should do both of them < 1213949954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is lambda formal argument lists < 1213949956 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of @ -> ... < 1213949964 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest @: ... < 1213950049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, two reactions like x -> y, z -> y < 1213950064 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the second invalidate the first < 1213950070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should they _both_ be active? < 1213952705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone seen ais or ehird today? < 1213952716 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw ais earlier < 1213952726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long ago? < 1213952727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby earlier means yesterday, but thats today for me ;) < 1213952736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around midnight GMT? < 1213952742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if then it is not of interest < 1213952752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean today as in European time < 1213952790 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw ais around 6pm EST 19th June < 1213952803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, 10 hours ago < 1213953051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is of 0 interest < 1213953055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1213953059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be midnight < 1213953061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still today for me! :p < 1213953065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same time as I last saw him < 1213956513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, i'm going to DRINK MYSELF DRUNK < 1213956641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: they both used to be active < 1213956648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've changed that at some point < 1213956656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both active in my implementation < 1213957373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've asked you exactly whether they x->z; y->z should keep both reactions, but cannot find that in my logs < 1213957374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1213959922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213960543 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Remote closed the previous member app" < 1213963554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"thunderstorm" < 1213964995 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213965718 0 :ais523!i=93bc93ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dadd70763803ff64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1213966420 0 :ihope_!n=chatzill@pegcompaq.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1213966426 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1213966540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ihope < 1213966563 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello. < 1213966661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's exam results came out today
< 1213966753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I finally figured out what I'd got wrong on my option form < 1213966761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was having problems counting to 120 in units of 10 < 1213966768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be a simple task for a programmer < 1213966834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mibbit.com: brb" < 1213966988 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host75-94-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1213967203 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1213967349 0 :caio!n=caio@201-92-41-98.dsl.telesp.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1213968394 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-061-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1213969314 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213969620 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213971158 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1213971731 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213971981 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213972251 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1213973683 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1213974076 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1213974253 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1213974678 0 :ais523!i=93bc93ac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9781cc7495e4f083 JOIN :#esoteric < 1213974699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back, sorry it took so long < 1213975620 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1213975813 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1213976433 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.124.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1213976452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1213976454 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHA < 1213976476 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1213976479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re being slow, ais523 < 1213976488 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, idle half an hour < 1213976491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1213976509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: using an ajax client again...? < 1213976509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the wrong part of the screen < 1213976515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes < 1213976515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1213976529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did /version me the other time I used one < 1213976532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering < 1213976541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or it overrode my quit message < 1213976545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: colloquy VERSION's on /whois < 1213976546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1213976553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1213976556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's your hostname < 1213976559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gateawy/web/ajax/mibbit.com/ < 1213976564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes that would give it away < 1213976575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to give my real hostname as my realname for some reason... < 1213976587 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, because all mibbit connections come from mibbit servers < 1213976589 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for effective bans... < 1213976598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forward your hostname < 1213976603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, makes sense < 1213976608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how they did it < 1213976614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the realname field seems a strange place to put it < 1213976674 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where do you suggest putting it? < 1213976687 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hostname is a mibbit cloak (which is sane) < 1213976697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the username is the mibbit identifier thing for your session < 1213976700 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ... what's left is the real name < 1213976703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: there's a real-hostname field in the USER command IIRC < 1213976711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's ignored by most servers < 1213976715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have no way to trust it < 1213976716 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly < 1213976721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1213976724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, though, they would trust it if it came from mibbit < 1213976726 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latest rfc it's explicitly ignored < 1213976740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:05:05 anyone seen ais or ehird today? < 1213976747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: well, I just put xs there for ease of typing < 1213976748 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he ask that at like 5am < 1213976750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmt < 1213976773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... well, I was asleep at 5am GMT (= 6am BST) < 1213976788 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes, BST is what I meant < 1213976792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god I hate summer time < 1213976801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, GMT=GMT+BST-when-needed < 1213976805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UTC=GMT+sane < 1213976864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OISC is #1 on proggit < 1213976866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the wikipedia article.. < 1213976892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I like MiniMAX < 1213976896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as being an unconventional way to do an OISC < 1213976903 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: post it on the comments, then :-P < 1213976910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be someone other than me linking to esolangs.org... < 1213976920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: because you've linked it too many times already? < 1213976925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1213976944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame that my #1 voted comment is a lolcats joke < 1213976962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/info/61gcu/comments/c02jatt < 1213976967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs is linked from the Wikipedia article < 1213976974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subleq, to be precise < 1213976978 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actualy: < 1213976980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/info/61gcu/comments/c02jahi < 1213976985 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to actually understand my comment :-P < 1213977026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment by ealf references Iota < 1213977035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone else is up on the game, too < 1213977049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people know esolangs < 1213977050 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not esolangs.org < 1213977058 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, iota is soooooooooooooooo a cheat < 1213977062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the syntax is minimal < 1213977064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the semantics are huge < 1213977069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, you bring in the lambda calculus < 1213977069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a reasonably complex combinator < 1213977072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you bring in S and K < 1213977077 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you invent your own combinator on top of it < 1213977092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, it's a unique combinator that can be expressed in terms of S and K, or as a lambda < 1213977092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1213977095 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is iota even a combinator? < 1213977100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S and K are just shorthand for lambda expressions < 1213977101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it's a pretty complicated combinator < 1213977112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, so is iota < 1213977112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.x(\xyz.xz(yz))(\xy.x) < 1213977118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a combinator < 1213977133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's iota? < 1213977137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1213977141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota = \x.xSK < 1213977152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so iota = \x.x(\xyz.xz(yz))(\xy.x) < 1213977155 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, iota is not a combinator < 1213977159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it with unique variable names < 1213977164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're shadowing there, making it harder to read < 1213977168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1213977182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.x(\abc.ac(bc))(\ab.a) < 1213977184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\a.a(\b.\c.\d.bd(cd)(\e.\f.e) < 1213977200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make all the lambdas have unique names and separated < 1213977212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's still not a combinator? < 1213977223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh: < 1213977223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what does combinator mean, precisely? < 1213977224 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combinator is a higher-order function which, for defining a result from its arguments, solely uses function application and earlier defined combinators. < 1213977228 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds wrong < 1213977232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes combinator=lambda < 1213977239 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure combinators are non-nestedlambdas < 1213977242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, it makes combinators=combinators < 1213977244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't bottom out < 1213977258 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm probably totally wrong < 1213977322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I attempt to learn grammar and spelling. - Quazie < 1213977329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the MiniMAX single instruction partly because it's easy to express in x86 asm, and partly because it's unique compared to the other OISCs < 1213977342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it takes no arguments, but depends on two pointers of internal state < 1213977353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could say that those pointers, plus memory, are its arguments < 1213977366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial state of memory and the pointers is a MiniMAX program < 1213977411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1213977412 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say so < 1213977443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiniMAX is harder to get one's head around than the other OISCs, though < 1213977465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 01:05:05 anyone seen ais or ehird today? < 1213977466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hi < 1213977472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an ebuild for intercal < 1213977476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it needs some patches < 1213977488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the ebuild will fail with "trying to write outside sandbox" < 1213977493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from install-info < 1213977508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I need to pre-create /usr/bin and /usr/lib in the DESTDIR < 1213977513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it won't work at all < 1213977521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, cool, ais523 used an eso-std.org userdir < 1213977529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tried to install an archive as /usr/lib64 < 1213977532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes as that < 1213977542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however I can upload it somewhere < 1213977545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a tarball < 1213977551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why did it do that? < 1213977555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't have done < 1213977561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? it didn't mkdir as needed < 1213977570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have a mkdir -p in there now < 1213977577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, last version? < 1213977578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're using the version on intercal.freeshell.org? < 1213977583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes I were < 1213977587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo uses releases < 1213977600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the repo's at http://eso-std.org/darcs/c-intercal < 1213977603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's unpacked < 1213977609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make a tarball for you pretty easily if you like < 1213977618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the ebuild itself is at http://rafb.net/p/y4VDk286.html < 1213977729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Drn0Dy41.html < 1213977738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of the patches < 1213977752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Mvdg3I17.html is the other patch < 1213977757 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amazed that someone would put a trivial 45 line file under the gpl3 < 1213977780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well GPL2 would be ok too < 1213977781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1213977794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also < 1213977796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007? < 1213977799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1213977807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, copy-and-paste error < 1213977809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, people using the gpl3 are living in the past < 1213977812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally agree ;) < 1213977816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1213977848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/H5ikiY96.html < 1213977853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated GPL2 ebuild < 1213977863 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, I have power over people < 1213977863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably best to keep with your patches until the next release version of C-INTERCAL comes out, with those issues fixed < 1213977872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses his magical powers for good and evil
< 1213977879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nzzzzzzzzzzzzzt < 1213977883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bzzzzzzzzzzt < 1213977884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I would do it GPL2 anyway < 1213977901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL's GPL2 < 1213977908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I kept the same licence it traditionally had < 1213977911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, GPL2+ to be precise < 1213977920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should I submit it to bgo? < 1213977950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: may as well, if you can submit updated versions in the future < 1213977951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bgo = bugs.gentoo.org, where you submit new ebuilds as well) < 1213978002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, it should be fairly trivial to update, remove some patches as they are accepted upstream (like http://rafb.net/p/Mvdg3I17.html the current way is just plain wrong) < 1213978012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO other software try to touch the info files < 1213978014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I have seen < 1213978015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1213978017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dir files < 1213978018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1213978028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I know < 1213978029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake won't touch the dir files for example < 1213978031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm being strange < 1213978047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of like hobix < 1213978048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, C-INTERCAL 0.29 (under development) no longer tries that unless you're root < 1213978057 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which upgrades itself via base64 yaml transmission via http < 1213978060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, unless the dir file's in your prefix < 1213978062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you could be root but in a sandbox < 1213978063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by eval()ing some ruby from the hobix site < 1213978065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mandb it doesn't do unless you're root < 1213978075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe I should have an install-sane target < 1213978092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and well gentoo simply uses DESTDIR for installing to the "stage" < 1213978110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mkdir -p the target dirs now if they don't exist < 1213978133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 1) sandbox.so LD_PRELOADed library that intercepts syscalls. 2) non-root access < 1213978137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses both of those < 1213978172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the first alternative isn't as secure really, what about static binaries < 1213978195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I suppose you could wrap the syscalls themselves < 1213978198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the kernel < 1213978204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would be hackish < 1213978209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1213978211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo can use a vanilla kernel < 1213978215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian use fakeroot < 1213978226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pretends to a program it has root priveliges even if it doesn't < 1213978242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if gentoo uses something like that or not < 1213978267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION preprares to submit the ebuild
< 1213979255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228563 < 1213979282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can track it < 1213979317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1213979442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't expect too much progress < 1213979450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will probably see it as a joke < 1213979455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well < 1213979458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will need some developer to be interested < 1213979458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian have it as a package < 1213979484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but debian seem to have some policy like "make everything we can a package, except when we don't like the author" < 1213979571 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't < 1213979572 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1213979593 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, c-intercal isn't a joke < 1213979602 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty darn popular as esolangs go < 1213979611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, people actually compile intercal with it quite often < 1213979621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, there are likely gentoo users who have a use for it, quite a few < 1213979625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, rejecting it is silly < 1213979726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1213979740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just being forgotten == quite likely < 1213979981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was the darcs url you said? < 1213980012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso-std.org/darcs/c-intercal < 1213980026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains bugfixes for all the bugs you reported < 1213980030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other fixes too < 1213980035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1213980241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac.minitage.org uses an invalid security certificate. < 1213980241 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. < 1213980244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIREFOX 3 FEATURE DIE DIE DIE < 1213980278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but all browsers report that < 1213980286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an uncertified certificate < 1213980290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could have generated it < 1213980291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but firefox displays it as an error page < 1213980295 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to click 4 times to view the page < 1213980304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: epiphany's even stronger in that case < 1213980307 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more info, Add Exception, Get Certificate, Confirm certificate) < 1213980312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does it for self-signed ones < 1213980316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to go to options and add an exception yourself to be able to view the page < 1213980321 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: retarded < 1213980339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: no, blindly assuming self-signed certificates are OK is the incorrect thing there < 1213980353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just display a notice < 1213980359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let you do one click to view the page < 1213980372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: people are used to just ignoring message boxes < 1213980381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on Windows < 1213980383 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, well this is the wrong way out < 1213980394 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, firefox's ligature support scares me < 1213980398 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fi' looks all weird on pages < 1213980398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox even has time limits on being able to click 'OK' on warning boxes for install, etc < 1213980413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the new approach is called the UAC School of Design approach < 1213980507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tusho: no, blindly assuming self-signed certificates are OK is the incorrect thing there < 1213980508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1213980515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone can afford verisign < 1213980525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I know < 1213980533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't < 1213980535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error with Firefox is treating https as a security mechanism. < 1213980538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1213980539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc server use selfsigned < 1213980539 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong words. < 1213980543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a _veirfying_ mechanism < 1213980544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some sort of minimum-security certificate < 1213980552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says "yes, this is unverified, and I know about it" < 1213980571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't put the secure-site paraphenalia on the interface, but still encrypts the communications < 1213980688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that "paraphenalia"? < 1213980699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yellow address bar, lock icons everywhere < 1213980707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1213980727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use Konqueror < 1213980734 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we know < 1213980735 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1213980735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I, sometimes < 1213980742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two locks < 1213980744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Firefox, Epiphany, IE, and Mozilla < 1213980745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everywhere < 1213980750 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's everywhere, fyi. < 1213980756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1213980757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends < 1213980763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only normally use IE for email, though < 1213980769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally IE-only sites < 1213980773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually came across one today < 1213980774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, locks tend to make average joe think 'trustable' < 1213980775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a web situation < 1213980784 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it's a very inappropriate metaphor < 1213980787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have worked fine in Firefox except it had a bad interaction with the popup-blocker < 1213980787 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really hard to find a good one < 1213980794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a lot of the concepts have no corresponding one in the real world... < 1213980805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, we just need to educate users. an icon will never explain things < 1213980856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't care about non-geeks < 1213980869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, let's let them all give away their credit card info < 1213980875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1213980876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most non-geeks do < 1213980882 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lock off computers to people who don't know their innate workings! < 1213980882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your point < 1213980886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally the best way to solve the problem < 1213980895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, just users are stupid < 1213980899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows users at least < 1213980903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of them are < 1213980907 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1213980913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'stupid' != 'does not understand computers' < 1213980915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpdesk humor isn't that far from reality < 1213980923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, agreed < 1213980926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid was wrong word < 1213980932 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213980943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go for a while < 1213980946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad is a professor, yet he needs to ask me to open a picture he got by mail < 1213980946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll be back this evening < 1213980948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1213980951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1213980955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya < 1213980963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mibbit.com: last seen quit message" < 1213981740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh I need ais < 1213981746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks on one system with < 1213981747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ccLj01UL.o: In function `ick_og86e9b0': < 1213981748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c:(.text+0x1ca): undefined reference to `ick_or0' < 1213981749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1213981801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm < 1213981802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1213981807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-intercal uses hex pointer addresses < 1213981809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as function names < 1213981814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess something's going wrong with pointer->int < 1213981889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes indeed, but what < 1213981905 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it seems like the kind of thing openbsd would do, preventing that ... < 1213981910 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug. What system is it? < 1213982088 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ping < 1213982105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ? < 1213982113 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug. What system is it? < 1213982114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, Gentoo Linux < 1213982120 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: durrr < 1213982121 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what system < 1213982121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ebuild works on one gentoo but not on another < 1213982125 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'it breaks on one system with' < 1213982128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean one gentoo < 1213982132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hardware differences < 1213982132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1213982133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one gentoo install < 1213982160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the hardware, i'm sure < 1213982161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, both are x86_64, one got a sempron 3300+ the other got a athlon64 3300+ < 1213982161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specify < 1213982165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else < 1213982168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be some difference < 1213982169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have 1.5 GB ram < 1213982177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have SATA disks < 1213982184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are desktops < 1213982192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both got nvidia geforce 7600 cards < 1213982193 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the actual differences < 1213982219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, as far as I know there are none apart from the CPU and that one have slightly larger harddrive (500 GB vs 350 GB) < 1213982228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same chipset and everything < 1213982243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, there has to be something < 1213982244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes different mobos due to different sockets for CPUs < 1213982245 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try re-running ick? < 1213982248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same chipset < 1213982250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, did that < 1213982273 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, not sure < 1213982277 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could try reading ick's code < 1213982278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad < 1213982285 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213982290 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is one file that tries to be as close to idiomatic perl as possible, though) < 1213982303 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it was translated from a CLC-INTERCAL perl file, and ais523 kept perl idioms in there as a kind of homage) < 1213982318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the C file is the same < 1213982332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the top line with command for compiling it < 1213982384 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: paste the two lines < 1213982418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec < 1213982434 0 :rodrigo!n=rodrigo@unaffiliated/notaffiliated JOIN :#esoteric < 1213982459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, actually I was wrong, they are the same < 1213982462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* -*- mode:c; compile-command:"gcc hello.c -I/usr/include/ick-0.28 -I. -I./../include -L/usr/lib64 -L. -L./../lib -O2 -o hello -lick" -*- */ < 1213982479 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, poke around in the ick sources then < 1213982484 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wait < 1213982487 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be the problem, can it? < 1213982491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, poke around in the generated file < 1213982499 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't reference a non-existant identifier on one platform and not the other < 1213982501 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Not Possible < 1213982521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I think the issue is in /usr/lib64/libick.a < 1213982525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1213982528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff says "binary file differ" < 1213982533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to investigate < 1213982536 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try recompiling ick < 1213982546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, tried that a few times already < 1213982553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with all debuginfo left and so on < 1213982561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug < 1213982566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke in the ick sources for libick.a < 1213982639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does this program work for you http://rafb.net/p/MWMDVo63.html < 1213982666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "THIS PROGRAM REQUIRES CLC-INTERCAL", however it *does* compile with C-INTERCAL on one system < 1213982676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... You could have told me that. < 1213982683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, remember, C-INTERCAL reports a lot of errors at runtime. < 1213982693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it gives *linking errors* < 1213982697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1213982699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/cchXHLUO.o: In function `ick_og676800': < 1213982700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c:(.text+0x1ca): undefined reference to `ick_or0' < 1213982700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/cchXHLUO.o: In function `ick_og675980': < 1213982700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c:(.text+0x24a): undefined reference to `ick_or0' < 1213982702 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the behaviour on that program is undefined < 1213982702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1213982704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rightfully so < 1213982706 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires CLC-INTERCAL < 1213982713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so why does it work on one C-INTERCAL? < 1213982728 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't matter < 1213982820 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1213983613 0 :ihope_!n=chatzill@pegcompaq.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1213983618 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1213984154 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap06.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1213984182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1213984233 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1213984246 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're losing your touch my boy < 1213984248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1213984273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1213984300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say hi to me again < 1213984313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said back < 1213984326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I left with a brb-ish thing, rather than a quittish thing < 1213984334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you replied with wb < 1213984337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, hi tusho < 1213984355 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o shit < 1213984359 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say {hi ais523} < 1213984365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you didn't < 1213984369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's inappropriate < 1213984371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb is more appropriate < 1213984375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a wb vs. back race < 1213984439 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay then < 1213984443 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cycle, I'll try < 1213984461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it's a different game when we both have prior knowledge < 1213984462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1213984462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1213984470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1213984471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1213984472 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1213984472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I haven't left yet < 1213984473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1213984477 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec < 1213984478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1213984490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Error] cycle: Unknown command. < 1213984491 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1213984493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did that happen? < 1213984493 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1213984497 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since you used mibbit < 1213984497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used /cycle earlier < 1213984502 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1213984503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just /part, /join < 1213984505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: but I'm on Konversation atm < 1213984512 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1213984518 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/part and /join < 1213984518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1213984519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1213984520 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1213984521 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap06.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1213984522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1213984526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1213984529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no good < 1213984536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't switch to #esoteric fast enough after joining < 1213984538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i did kinda have my finger over 'enter' < 1213984538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're forewarned < 1213985298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1213985321 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host75-94-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1213985514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1213985517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- a page < 1213985525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1213985532 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: X-UA-Compatible is ridiculous < 1213985543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot's HTTP headers, which contain Futurama quotes, are more interesting < 1213985561 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, X-UA-Compatible is meant to contain a list of browsers < 1213985567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the implication is slightly amusing, if nonsensical < 1213985571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1213985573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the first actual x-ua-compatible i've ever seen < 1213985574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Microsoft invent that? < 1213985579 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1213985580 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for IE8 < 1213985588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the IE8 meta tag < 1213985590 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will make it emulate different IE/Firefox versions or whatever < 1213985594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst idea, ever < 1213985599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will make IE emulate previous IE versions < 1213985604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they suggested that other browser people did the same < 1213985605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1213985608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee < 1213985635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which they effectively said "why, when the site's standard-compliant, the browser's standard-compliant, and the standards are backward- and forward-compatible"? < 1213985636 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and slashdot is the only site which uses //foo/ urls < 1213985642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1213985650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Wikimedia were thinking about using them < 1213985664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they discussed it on their mailing list < 1213985678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they were doing a big test of browsers first to make sure they all actually accepted them < 1213985692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: TBL has said he regretted making them < 1213985698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, he said he wanted to make urls look like this < 1213985707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http:org.slashdot/foo < 1213985725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind-of like the double-slash < 1213985746 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1213985751 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one stupid thing: DTD identifiers < 1213985758 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01// < 1213985762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1213985763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN < 1213985763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that looks silly < 1213985764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1213985770 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- should be + for unofficial dtds < 1213985772 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then //org// < 1213985779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then name// then lang < 1213985789 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putting 'DTD' at the start? even sillier < 1213985799 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they still require you to specify a url in 90% of cases < 1213985801 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAZY IDEA: < 1213985812 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1213985818 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radical. < 1213985831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1213985844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, but universal identifiers are useful < 1213985850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they can be used for automated validity checking, etc < 1213985851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more radical, I think < 1213985859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny think is that that does identify HTML5 < 1213985862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/think/thing/ < 1213985864 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does < 1213985868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nothing else uses it... < 1213985886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the thing is that tools may want to process doc types they don't know natively. < 1213985890 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for validity, etc < 1213985906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and they need to find the dtd somewhere < 1213985911 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1213985913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus a url < 1213985916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DDOS the W3C in the process < 1213985926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they aren't clever enough to cache DTDs... < 1213985934 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yeah, that's the w3cs fault < 1213985942 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the user agent's, of course < 1213985946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the user agent should cache it < 1213985948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it should just block broken useragents? < 1213985950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the w3c should optimize for that < 1213985957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would be nice, yes < 1213985976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on Slashdot suggested that they make the DTDs deliberately slow < 1213985986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to punish useragents that try to look them up on every parse < 1213986007 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clever < 1213986021 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OTOH they should just block too many requests from the same ip&useragent < 1213986588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1213986594 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Posted 2008-06-18 23:31 with 3 comments.' ... that's far too crufty < 1213986609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'2008-06-18 23:31 / 3 comments' < 1213986610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much nicer < 1213986616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: compress it into one number, like 3200806182331 < 1213986620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then express it in hex for brevity < 1213986624 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not crazy, ais523 :) < 1213986628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel < 1213986629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie < 1213986631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: then why are you here? < 1213986639 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush I said it was a lie < 1213986877 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c0F9CBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1213986908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't decide if he likes Helvetica Neue or not
< 1213987217 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1213987256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, Optima is nice. < 1213987406 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought of the moment: Long URLs suck. Especially ones including a date < 1213987425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, even hugeurls? < 1213987431 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Singular exception. :P < 1213987447 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tusho.org/long-urls-suck is so much superior to http://tusho.org/blog/2008/06/long-urls-suck < 1213987456 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wordpress, I believe, even includes the DAY by default!) < 1213987489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: actually, blogging software putting the title of the blog entry in the URL always looked unprofessional to me < 1213987501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect something like http://blog.tusho.org/12 < 1213987508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the number was a sequence number < 1213987511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blogs are inherently ordered < 1213987515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I, too, prefer URLs which do not offer any insight into the content lying inside! < 1213987519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so using unordered titles for them strike me as wrong < 1213987539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not as if the title's generally insightful anyway < 1213987544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or necessarily unique < 1213987553 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if the title isn't insightful, then it's a bad title < 1213987559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't unique, then you suffix it < 1213987562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. hello-redux < 1213987564 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hello-3 < 1213987570 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, you don't suffix the title < 1213987573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the slug it's available at < 1213987590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the titles are often cut off by blogging software < 1213987593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks stupid < 1213987600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they can't handle punctuation marks that aren't legal in URLs < 1213987605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is necessary, but also looks stupid < 1213987608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then the blogging software is stupid < 1213987612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ones let you change the slug easily < 1213987641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I'd put 'Deluxe-O-Matic 3000 v2: A Comedy of Errors' at /deluxe-o-matic-v2-review < 1213987668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: still, that gives no clue it's a blog entry, and no clue to the sequence of events < 1213987675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blogs are inherently ordered < 1213987691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no way to guess the URL if it's title-based < 1213987698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to rely on links to articles < 1213987705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I won't be using my blog for updatey stuff, really. < 1213987706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas sequence numbers are easily linked together by hand < 1213987730 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have /amazingsoft-v2-release for a release announcement of Amazingsoft 2, though. < 1213987740 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213987740 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And publishing that at /3423 is just stupid. < 1213987756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's easy enough to look at 3422 to see the previous entry < 1213987763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with your scheme I can't even guess what the URL is < 1213987774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer URLs to be meaningful so that they can be adjusted by humans < 1213987781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to contain content that should be in the page < 1213987788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. contain keys used to fetch the data < 1213987792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the result of fetching that data < 1213987806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is some definition of 'meaningful' with which I was not previously aware. < 1213987806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is missing his interview so he can chat right now.
< 1213987809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me blog software seriously keys the blog entries by title < 1213987813 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, they don't < 1213987819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you understand what meaningful URLs should be < 1213987832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: URLs should be meaningful to the server that receives them < 1213987835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong. < 1213987836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that, even as a user of the URL < 1213987843 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaningful URLs mean meaningful to a human. < 1213987852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for what it's worth, looking up by the 'slug' key is not particularly difficult. < 1213987864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, I can append things like ?action=parse and so on to URLs without trouble < 1213987865 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slug is just normally made from the title, unless you change it. Which you should, a lot of the time. < 1213987868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually happens < 1213987872 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens if two entries would happen to have the same slug? < 1213987873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I mean by meaningful URLs < 1213987895 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They can't. A slug is, by definition, unique. < 1213987908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a unique, meaningful, URL-safe key. < 1213987936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what if there are two entries with the same title? What's changed so that the slugs can be unique? < 1213987951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: a slug is not inherently meaningful < 1213987955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how much you might want it to be < 1213987957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it is, because you make it so < 1213987968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that would prevent it being /inherently/ meaningful < 1213987987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you use a slug called 'x3454', then you've missed the point of slugs. < 1213987995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's about the X3454 dishwasher.. < 1213987999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, I agree < 1213988006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm saying the point of slugs is not useful < 1213988015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, meaningful names are too hard to guess < 1213988020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is a real problem < 1213988036 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opt-out.) < 1213988056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if all the Agora CFJs had 'meaningful' URLs with your meaning, then I'd have to use a search engine to find individual CFJs rather than just typing in the URL < 1213988058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to guess than meaningless names, I'd think < 1213988060 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opt-out.) < 1213988086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't the urls have the CFJ number? < 1213988090 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opt-out.) < 1213988104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't the software, it's part of Agora < 1213988106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, they do right now < 1213988117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ID number is a useful key to use < 1213988127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it increases in a regular manner < 1213988144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the subject of a CFJ was used as a slug, it would look nicer to the reader but be harder to guess and less useful < 1213988172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the cfj numbers are exposed to players of agora regularly < 1213988180 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1213988180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: exactly < 1213988182 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of a blog entry isn't on the interface < 1213988186 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shouldn't be; nobody cares about it < 1213988188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they care about the content < 1213988194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: think about xkcd < 1213988200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you agree with their URL scheme? < 1213988205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has numbered versions < 1213988209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also text versions IIRC < 1213988209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because the comic number is exposed via the interface < 1213988212 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes sense < 1213988215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the numbered versions are a lot more convenient < 1213988221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yes, why do the comic numbers make sense? < 1213988229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they chose to expose them < 1213988233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: so why don't blogs < 1213988240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real reason is, because the comics come in an order < 1213988246 0 :cherez!n=cherez@cpe-76-167-242-249.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213988247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the numbers allow people to deduce the order < 1213988250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blogs are the same < 1213988260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe they should expose numbers too < 1213988263 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explicitly opted out of this discussion, I merely offered one sentence. < 1213988265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading a blog in order is not too much to ask < 1213988276 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'll violate that opt-out, then I'll opt out of the channel. < 1213988296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting new concept of opt-out < 1213988314 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I smell sarcasm? < 1213988324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/.~/ if you really care < 1213988338 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow kids < 1213988349 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets not get heated now < 1213988465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I'm impressed, you had a chilling effect on a conversation and actually meant to have a chilling effect on the conversation, normally they don't go together in IRC < 1213988503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont know what oklopol is smoking but with two reaction equations, they werent both supposed to be active < 1213988508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the latter one < 1213988517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he never really paid attention to anything i said anyway < 1213988539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ah, you're augur < 1213988542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise < 1213988545 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. lol < 1213988548 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1213988556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I knew you by the psygnisfive nick first < 1213988568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then spent a while wondering who augur was < 1213988593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, having both active is an interesting idea, and I think there should be some way to do it < 1213988607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite probably not with simple syntax < 1213988625 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should also be a way to invalidate reactions < 1213988641 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think simultaneous activity should be special syntax, defined as a single reaction < 1213988657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1213988657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, maybe, x $ y -> z < 1213988663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1213988663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternate activity? < 1213988669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ! y < 1213988670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. whenever x or y reacts, send its value to z < 1213988676 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate activity? < 1213988678 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? < 1213988692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "when x reacts, x -> z, and when y reacts, y -> z" < 1213988694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats simultaneously active reactions... < 1213988694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't simultaneous < 1213988703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see what you mean < 1213988708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but both reactions _exist_ simultaneously < 1213988711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously active is different from simultaneous < 1213988717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatd you think i meant before? < 1213988717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a language thing < 1213988727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: two things reacting at the same time < 1213988731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1213988734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. act only when x and y both react at the same instant < 1213988742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say because they were both triggered by the same thing < 1213988750 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1213988912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one thing i thing we need to be able to do is have just something that says when a variable changes < 1213988915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1213988919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change x -> y < 1213988972 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something, where the value pushed into y is short lived, perhaps almost instantaneously gone < 1213988979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a flag saying, x changed < 1213988990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be doable instead with just functions, i dont know. < 1213989008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x -> { something about y } < 1213989152 0 :atsampso1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213989209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, another programming distraction < 1213989210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent! < 1213989431 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213989552 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got new glasses yesterday :) < 1213989621 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1213989763 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213990438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1213990455 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap06.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1213990725 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@AMarseille-151-1-8-253.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213990835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1213990849 0 :ais523!n=ais523@sm01-fap06.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1213990869 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1213990968 0 :atsampson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213991040 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213991082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a way to speed up my cognition, my perception of time, so the world seemed slower, without affecting my thought < 1213991121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, brb < 1213991141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1213991152 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1213991162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho < 1213991165 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people. < 1213991169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah_ < 1213991188 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. If I get tusho.org I need usho.org < 1213991192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for t@usho.org < 1213991203 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And usho.org IS TAKEN!!!! < 1213991203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: that so isn't worth it < 1213991207 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you give that money to orphans instead? < 1213991207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES IT IS < 1213991219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1213991223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x@tusho.org is okay I guess < 1213991227 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or z@tusho.org < 1213991237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or id@tusho.org, but that's just geeky < 1213991244 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which leads to ego@tusho.org, heh) < 1213991539 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iam@tusho? < 1213991573 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ@tusho.org < 1213991592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ω@tusho.org better, though < 1213991601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: just have @tusho.org < 1213991607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that confuses spambots like mad < 1213991609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that a zero-width joiner? < 1213991617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a null string < 1213991621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's legal, apparently < 1213991622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that? < 1213991627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many things accept it? < 1213991724 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1213991729 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tolerant and all. < 1213991768 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1213991951 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1213991964 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j0 bitches < 1213991981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1213991984 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello man. < 1213991999 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup huh < 1213992025 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1213992352 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais < 1213992377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you suggest for the representation of both reactions being active? < 1213992385 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x \ y -> z? < 1213992391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ; y -> z? < 1213992541 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1213992623 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1213992632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x & y -> z? < 1213993315 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats bitwise logic :p < 1213993342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1213993350 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z? < 1213993380 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a neurohacking channel < 1213993413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z < 1213993424 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunt hack mah neurons :( < 1213993437 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::hacks ur nurons:: < 1213993441 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hax* < 1213994047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My reading of RFC2822 would say that a simple @example.org address is not valid. The syntax says it's local-part "@" domain where local-part is either dot-atom, quoted-string or obs-local-part; few definitions deeper in they mostly start with 1*atext, meaning there must be at least one character. Although a zero-length quoted string should be valid, but ""@example.org is not as pretty. < 1213994076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1213994087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said @example.org worked, but didn't give evidence < 1213994093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if most email transport agents support it? < 1213994151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wwouldn't be surprised if it were so; but I'm sure there'd be at least some systems that would be confused. < 1213994160 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I dislike you for your usage of facts and evidence. < 1213994161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1213994191 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t@usho.org would be awesome, still < 1213994192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I've just found another thing to disagree with tusho on < 1213994200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I was tasho, t@sho.org would be funner < 1213994204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sho.org will be even more taken < 1213994207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh come on, it was a joke < 1213994342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for all the IE-bashers out there: http://mosspod.com/ie7_and_gmail.html < 1213994366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as bad as MSN Messenger blocking links to YouTube, or Hotmail blocking messages from Yahoo mail < 1213994478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1213994866 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should start using #pfft more < 1213994872 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like clogging ##nomic and #esoteric with random crap < 1213994916 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1213995191 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@AMarseille-151-1-8-253.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213995227 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1213995769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(1) DO COME FROM ".2~.2"~#1 WHILE :1 <- "'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1"" < 1213996188 0 :mckiko!n=douglas@201.33.190.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1213996434 0 :Slereah!n=hax@ANantes-252-1-23-183.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1213996445 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1213998377 0 :mckiko!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1213999268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so listen < 1213999271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#neurohacking < 1213999272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to it. < 1213999274 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk abot it. < 1213999275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1213999477 0 :caio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1213999560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1213999811 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1213999933 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-032-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1214000138 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1214001223 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1214001307 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/PlayGround < 1214001315 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, there's JumpRope but no tag? < 1214001334 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1214001337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1214001338 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1214001547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: { < 1214001547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before becky there is tom < 1214001548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster tom! < 1214001548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster tom! < 1214001548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster tom! < 1214001548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster tom! < 1214001550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster tom! < 1214001552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1214001554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PornGround < 1214001625 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1214002376 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1214002529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porn ground. < 1214002530 0 :ihope__!n=chatzill@pegcompaq.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1214002535 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1214002544 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello. < 1214002545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IHOPE IHOPE IS HERE < 1214002547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAHA < 1214002553 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE YOU TOO! < 1214002562 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IHOPE < 1214002567 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRING US HOPE! < 1214002579 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1214002588 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God is with you! < 1214002598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike god. :( < 1214002599 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll send me to hell :( < 1214002610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to dislike things that don't exist, though :( < 1214002612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like cinnamon < 1214003006 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1214003108 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1214003110 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill with fire < 1214003115 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most uesless page imaginable < 1214003126 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no rite < 1214003143 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we'll soon discover that it actually has BF's instruction set. < 1214005132 0 :rodrigo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rfcregnb ip, urva?" < 1214005698 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur ific < 1214005779 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1214005889 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augurific < 1214005910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o; < 1214006074 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz < 1214006079 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's Egobot? < 1214006159 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: dead < 1214006173 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onoes! < 1214006186 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an IRP bot then. < 1214006234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1214006261 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the sourcecode then : < 1214006267 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guy, be an IRP bot" < 1214006271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1214006306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is waiting for commands
< 1214006332 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print this sentence. < 1214006344 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[output] Print this sentence.