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I don't quite follow. What I merely meant was that if the statement will never stabilise in a "solution" form, then we can deem it to be stable in it's current form, as it can never progress from that. Therefore, in its current form it can be deemed to be solved and or reduced to an already solved situation 20:25:40 what if the statement's undecidable, but it's impossible to prove that it's undecidable? 20:26:54 Well, then that is rather conveniently such a situation. The very fact that you cannot decide either one way or another reduces it (on a meta-scale) to a situation described in point one :) As its process is dependant on its outcome 20:28:04 am I making any sense at all? 20:28:09 sort of 20:28:26 but I'm not sure whether what you're trying to prove is profound or obvious 20:28:34 I'm not very good with logical philosophy that deep 20:28:36 heh, well 20:29:11 neither am I. The thing is, it's often very difficult to prove intuitive statements, much more so than counter intuitive ones 20:30:10 So, having almost no philosophical knowledge, I set out to prove that, given an infinite amount of time, it shouldn't matter in what order you decide to tackle a problem whose solution is dependant on its process - but not the converse 20:42:55 -!- tusho has joined. 20:42:59 Cactus! 20:43:12 tusho: ah, you're here 20:43:17 ais523: Yes. 20:43:20 I was beginning to worry that you'd been eaten by a grue 20:44:19 anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago 20:44:27 specwise 20:44:28 -!- tusho has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 20:44:34 oh dear 20:45:14 Heh, your wit is dry, but I can stomach it :) 20:45:21 -!- tusho has joined. 20:45:31 tusho: last thing you saw? 20:45:38 ais523: afraid I'd been eaten by a grue 20:45:45 anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago 20:45:46 [20:46] specwise 20:45:48 And besides, it's because yesterday I did this amazing thing called 'GOING OUTSIDE' 20:45:54 I've changed my mind about several things, though 20:45:58 tusho: even I do that sometimes 20:46:09 several times today, in fact 20:46:20 And today I did this thing called 'CONSIDERING GOING OUTSIDE', you know. 20:46:27 besides I have to go outside to get from home to my Internet connection and vice versa 20:46:34 Then I decided not to, because it's rainy. 20:46:34 So now I'm here. 20:46:54 ais523: Is my perlnomic proposal passing? Am I late for my APOLOGY yet? 20:47:01 (Not joining #ircnomic yet because of CRASH AND BURN) 20:47:21 http://google.com/ is how I will open epiphany. Click click. 20:47:41 ais523: alternatively konqueror will decide I should use it instead 20:47:41 tusho: your proposals's at +4/-0/~0/9 20:47:42 :| 20:47:52 ais523: someone abstained before 20:47:58 are there any comments? 20:48:07 no comments 20:48:13 and you're right, +4/-0/~1/9 20:48:31 hmm... Pavitra seems to misunderstand what abstains do in PerlNomic 20:48:37 based on eir current draft proposal 20:48:43 ais523: what does it do? 20:49:02 it's like a vote against, but which doesn't penalise the submitter 20:49:10 ais523: doesn't it reduce quorum? 20:49:12 it allows them to retract it for free or submit a revised version 20:49:13 tusho: no! 20:49:20 ais523: then Pavitra is dumb 20:49:20 :D 20:49:36 Tue Jun 3 10:16:16 2008 - cull.cgi: abliss was culled. 20:49:38 CANNIBALISTIC PERLNOMIC 20:49:45 inactive for a week 20:49:45 Or rather, frankensteinic perlnomic. 20:49:47 Abliss is not a nomic. 20:50:02 Wooble.ais523ForNotary is at +4/9, BTW 20:50:17 but seeing as you're a candidate too, it's up to you whether you want to vote for or against that 20:50:37 oh, and resolving the Agoran decision for Notary's going to be fun based on the way the conditional votes have been cast 20:50:45 ais523: I would rather not be notary. 20:50:50 I'd be fun, but annoying. 20:50:56 'I don't understand enough perl yet to actually implement it, but perhaps the dist_date property could be useful somehow?' 20:50:58 that's a good idea 20:50:59 well, you can vote for me on Agora and on PerlNomic 20:51:13 if you don't want to get in yourself 20:51:29 although I recommend on Agora that you do some sort of insane conditional vote like the others there 20:51:39 I'm not sure if there are any non-conditional votes on that decision at present 20:51:50 ais523: i'll condition on the modulo of a graham's number thingy 20:51:53 to hail Canada 20:52:02 dsa 20:52:02 sd 20:52:02 asd 20:52:02 asd 20:52:02 as 20:52:04 d 20:52:05 my display 20:52:07 it is fucking 20:52:14 wait. 20:52:15 -!- tusho has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:55:19 -!- tusho has joined. 20:56:01 heh 20:56:06 Wooble votes for me / I vote endorse Murphy or me if e doesnt' vote / OscarMeyr votes ehird iff I vote ais523, ais523 otherwise / root votes to make a player's votes prime if possible, otherwise for me / comex votes for me if the 196-sequence terminates, ehird otherwise, using a rules hack / Pavitra endorses comex 20:56:09 what did I miss ais523? 20:56:15 noting, I waited 20:56:20 typing that long comment ready 20:56:25 just try resolving /that/ mess of votes 20:56:35 ais523: hmm 20:56:38 what about 20:56:54 'If , then I vote Murphy. Otherwise, I vote ais523.' 20:57:15 but murphy isn't a candidate 20:57:23 you're allowed to vote PRESENT, though, I think 20:57:27 ais523: alls the better then 20:57:47 what zany condition are you thinking of? 20:57:53 and dare you change channel to one more appropriate? 20:58:43 -!- tusho has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:59:13 -!- tusho has joined. 20:59:16 FUCKING PEICE OF SHIT COMPUTER 20:59:26 CAN'T EVEN GO 3 MINUTES WITHOUT CRASHING 20:59:27 Hi ais523! 20:59:32 do you think I should try X now? 20:59:33 [20:59] what zany condition are you thinking of? 20:59:35 [20:59] and dare you change channel to one more appropriate? 20:59:43 Oh, how ironic. 20:59:47 tusho: if you think your computer can handle it 20:59:53 ais523: it might EXPLODE 21:00:05 HCF %ax, 1 21:00:07 if I ever want to kill someone off, I'll send them this computer as a gift 21:00:16 come back in a few weeks, they'll have hanged themselvse 21:00:18 *themselves 21:00:28 though hanging is perhaps not abrupt enough. Jumped off a bridge, maybe 21:00:35 maybe it's one of the parts that's defective? 21:00:37 -!- Hiato1 has left (?). 21:00:38 Or shot themselves. 21:00:39 you could try running a memtest 21:00:44 ais523: Most likely. The graphics card I'd bet 21:00:52 It's pretty stable without X 21:01:00 ais523: and yet windows works perfectly, I bet it knows my graphicscard bbetter 21:01:04 *better 21:01:11 do computers need graphics cards nowadays, or is it possible to do all the graphics card stuff in software? 21:01:24 ais523: A lot of computers come with motherboard-built-in graphics cards. 21:01:26 But you need one. 21:01:37 ais523: I do believe this is a built-in one. 21:01:41 It's a 32mb SIS one. 21:01:56 I could probably get a cheap 256mb one that is actually, you know, made by nvidia or someone. 21:02:08 now ... X 21:02:11 -!- tusho has quit (Client Quit). 21:02:41 -!- tusho has joined. 21:02:56 The beautiful traffic examined my fall down as I fell upwards into the clouds which then burped me out onto the floor. 21:03:00 Hello. 21:03:11 He died. 21:04:33 -!- tusho has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:05:12 -!- tusho has joined. 21:05:18 I FUCKING HATE COMPUTERS 21:05:24 DIE, DIE YOU PEICE OF SHIT! 21:05:51 ais523: I think I could use this computer as a defense if I go insane and kill someone 21:06:04 it's pretty infuriating 21:07:11 Hey, tusho 21:07:15 COMPUTER 21:07:17 Hey, Slereah 21:07:20 AAAAH 21:07:23 FUCK YOU SLEREAH 21:07:27 AND ALL YOUR MOLECULES 21:07:28 FUCK YOU AND DIE 21:07:33 * tusho FUCKING KILLS SLEREAH 21:07:41 hi 21:07:49 tusho: you should have /nicked into allcaps before your last CTCP ACTION 21:07:54 it just looks wrong as is 21:08:17 -!- tusho has changed nick to TUSHO. 21:08:19 hmm... hardly anyone seems to have allcaps nicks 21:08:25 AIS523: DON'T YOU FUCKING TELL ME WHAT TO DO 21:08:27 YOU'RE JUST LIKE THAT COMPUTER 21:08:30 'OH YOU WILL CRASH NOW' 21:08:35 'YOU DONT' FEENEED THIS WEBSITE' 21:08:37 WELL FUCK YOU 21:08:40 * TUSHO FUCKING KILLS AIS523 21:08:47 -!- TUSHO has changed nick to tush. 21:08:49 -!- tush has changed nick to tusho. 21:08:49 hi 21:09:05 * ais523 tries running apport from the command line to see what will happen 21:09:41 ais523: apport? 21:09:54 the Ubuntu (possibly other Linux distros too) version of Dr. Watson 21:10:00 generates bug reports from crashed programs 21:10:24 the big difference is, Dr. Watson just sends an error report off to Microsoft and you never hear from it again 21:10:45 whereas apport opens Launchpad with appropriate settings, allowing you to file a bug with debug data attached or to attach it to an existing bug 21:10:57 ais523: dr watson is funny 21:11:03 and also lets you know if other people are having the same problem 21:11:08 I opened it by mistake when I was young and it scared the shit out of me 21:11:11 I thought I broke the computer 21:11:20 it was so menacing-looking, at least at the time 21:11:23 what happens if you run it directly? 21:11:43 ais523: it just starts up a debug console thingy 21:11:47 with buttons and a text output pane and stuff 21:11:53 I told it to run and the output pane flooded with stuff 21:11:56 I got really scared :P 21:14:27 ais523: hmph so what happenz in agora and b 21:14:37 B is reasonably quiet 21:14:41 been out of the loop for >24 hrs, as you know 21:14:50 except that someone's threatened to do something drastic if a particular proposal passes 21:15:01 hasn't said what it is, but claims not to be bluffing 21:15:31 Agora's mostly CFJ stuff and an insane Notary election 21:16:04 ais523: let's pass that proposal! 21:16:11 also, I actually want to write a website in Perl 21:16:14 halp I'm going mad 21:16:37 tusho: it's passing ATM, I think, it's the one which prevents criminals with unpaid fines voting 21:17:28 -!- ais523 has set topic: If I put this sentence in the topic, how soon will someone remove it? Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 21:17:41 -!- kar8nga has quit (Connection timed out). 21:18:16 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 21:18:24 wow, that was fast 21:19:06 -!- oklofok has joined. 21:19:10 tee hee 21:19:11 -!- hotidlerchick has joined. 21:19:14 "When one day Mac OS is unix-like, then I'll take an axe and chop my head in two." -Xah Lee 21:19:20 oklofok: hello hotidlerchick 21:19:45 -!- lament has set topic: If I put this sentence in the topic, how soon will somebody replace it with a proof of Goldbach's conjecture? Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 21:19:59 tusho: i'm not her 21:20:10 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 21:20:14 lament: never, or a very long time 21:20:21 someone will remove it pretty quickly, though. 21:20:28 oklofok: suuure 21:20:31 :) 21:20:53 :( 21:20:58 tusho: you have a one-track mind 21:21:07 well, two-track 21:21:11 lament: seven-track 21:21:14 hi-fidelity 21:21:17 the gay sex track, and the removal of sentences from topics track 21:21:56 lament: cool. let's have sex. 21:22:24 let's remove sentences from topics instead. 21:22:31 -!- tusho has set topic: ok. 21:22:41 -!- kar8nga has joined. 21:23:39 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences: This is a sentence. This sentence SHALL be removed. This sentence SHOULD be removed. This sentence CAN be removed. This sentence MAY be removed.. 21:23:47 ais523: you are not asierkerka 21:24:01 I never claimed I was 21:24:15 there are many things I have claimed, but not that 21:24:15 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences: This is a sentence. THIS IS A SENTENCE APOCALYPSE, FUCK YEAH. 21:24:28 ais523: asiekerka enjoyed putting 'contradictary' rules in the topic that weren't 21:24:32 *contradictory 21:24:34 it reminded me of that 21:24:39 -!- lament has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences:. 21:25:08 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE. 21:25:17 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY. 21:25:25 if anyone sees this message, please reply to it 21:25:32 I have two channels here called #esoteric 21:25:36 which is almost certainly a bug 21:25:38 this is the second 21:26:22 ais523: didn't see it 21:26:25 sorry 21:26:34 did anyone get my message that said "if anyone sees this message, please reply to it"? 21:26:43 seriously, because I'm investigating a strange bug in my client 21:26:53 ais523: didn't see it! Sorry. 21:26:55 (Yes, I did.) 21:27:01 I'm currently in #irp twice and #esoteric twice 21:27:37 ais523: I only see you once 21:27:43 not surprising 21:28:00 hmm... other people's comments all appear in the first #esoteric 21:28:05 but I can send a message from either 21:28:17 so close the second one? 21:28:25 olsner: what he said 21:28:31 well, yes, that's an obvious workaround 21:28:33 just report a bug :P 21:28:39 but I'm more interested in what caused it in the first place 21:28:47 and yes, this seems like a good chance to use apport 21:30:06 someone CTCP me, please 21:30:25 I just got a CTCP VERSION from lament in the second #esoteric 21:31:26 this also ended up in the second window? 21:31:38 no, the first 21:31:51 wait, I'll focus the other window and then please try again 21:31:56 OK, this is sent from the second tab 21:32:26 ais523: CTCP version is not channel specific, duh 21:32:29 what lament said 21:32:31 oh, of course 21:32:34 heh 21:32:36 that would explain it 21:32:37 it should appear in the active window 21:32:40 or in the status window 21:33:30 -!- oklopol has quit (Connection timed out). 21:34:05 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 21:34:16 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:39:02 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:39:57 -!- kar8nga has joined. 21:40:07 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 21:41:02 -!- Dewi has joined. 21:41:24 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:41:41 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:42:35 -!- hotidlerchick has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:43:34 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163168 21:43:43 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 21:47:07 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:47:49 http://webkit.org/blog-files/squirrelfish.png JESUS CHRIST AAAH 21:48:27 you don't like the logo, presumably 21:48:41 ais523: IT SCARES ME 21:50:22 -!- hotidlerchick has joined. 21:51:46 hotidlerchick 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:51:49 -!- cherez has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:51:52 hmm... in the last 7 days, I created an account on both the Gnome and the KDE bug trackers 21:59:44 -!- cherez has joined. 22:00:06 -!- cherez has quit (Client Quit). 22:01:15 -!- cherez has joined. 22:03:57 tusho: <3 22:06:19 hotidlerchick: what is being oklopol like? 22:07:56 :D 22:09:16 there's two of him!? 22:09:21 -!- ais523 has quit ("restarting X for no good reason, be back soon"). 22:09:37 tusho: I bet it's hot 22:10:10 olsner: shure 22:10:17 there's like a thousand of me 22:10:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:11:19 hotidlerchick = oklopol. Solve for {}. 22:11:20 Oh wait. 22:11:28 tusho: {} 22:11:33 ais523: {} 22:16:03 god i love my tits 22:16:44 oklopol: so a little explanation of hotidlerchick? 22:17:28 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY | How am I meant to be able to put a sentence into the topic without anyone noticing?. 22:17:46 tusho: i like your interpretation 22:17:51 let's stick to that one 22:18:03 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY | you aren't. 22:20:29 oklopol: you don't happen to have any pics of your tits? 22:22:46 yes but you need to pay cool money for those. 22:23:06 :( 22:23:35 oh, for a moment there I assumed ehird was one side of that conversation 22:23:37 ITT: oklopol talks to himself 22:23:41 but it's actually the same hostname on both sides... 22:24:17 ais523: i assume it's his 'casually namedrop the girl sitting RIGHT NEXT TO ME' romp 22:24:29 hmm, oklopol is female? or are we talking manboobs? 22:25:11 -!- ais523 has left (?). 22:25:29 ais4 22:25:31 err 22:25:35 ais523 is not a fan of the gay sex 22:25:39 olsner: oklopol is le male 22:27:05 :D 22:27:48 so, manboobs, in other words :( 22:27:55 oklopol: manboobs aren't as hot as mine so the pics must be unworthy 22:28:35 bsmntbombdood has real boobs, but he is male 22:28:41 wut 22:28:47 but I thought hotidlerchick and oklopol shared the same body ... so how can the hotness of their boobs differ? 22:28:56 olsner: magic 22:31:10 beauty is in the eye of the beholder 22:31:13 or smth 22:31:33 is my guess 22:32:04 tusho: spark is not limited to my house btw 22:32:43 in fact it's fairly omnipresent in this city 22:34:38 "hotidlerchick" lol 22:35:26 OH WOW. i'M BACK 22:37:49 pix or gtfo, etc 22:38:45 bsmntbombdood: philisophical question. 22:38:54 if there are no girls on the internet, surely you never want to ask for pix 22:40:10 there might be almost-girls 22:40:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:40:57 i've seen my share of hot trannies 22:41:59 oklopol: but it _is_ a trap, you know 22:44:04 what is? 22:49:12 trannies are 22:50:07 how come they're a trap? 22:50:34 because you can show only their female part in a pic, then reveal the rest? 22:50:56 oklopol: Yes, it's a meme. 22:52:24 k 22:54:07 -!- cherez has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:55:17 -!- cherez has joined. 22:56:19 a meme is a meme, or so it would seem 23:00:23 and no one will talk about memes, it seems 23:01:07 oerjan: I do not like green eggs and ham 23:01:10 I do not like them, sam i am 23:03:45 is it rhyme day? 23:04:01 in a weird way 23:04:48 oklopol: well mine is dr seuss day 23:05:36 i think that i shall never hear // a poem frightful as a bear 23:06:02 A bear whose hungry mouth is prest. 23:06:06 oerjan: i'm pretty sure it's not just-syntactic-rhyme day 23:06:33 what do you mean syntactic? 23:07:50 hear vs. bear 23:07:58 [hiör] vs. [beör] 23:08:14 it is? 23:08:51 [heOEr] is a rabbity fellow, or hair 23:09:01 well hare, i guess i can type that one 23:09:09 [biOEr] is beer 23:09:19 afaik, that is 23:10:04 darn english spelling 23:10:49 oerjan: earn snglish dpelling 23:10:54 which did you fail at? 23:11:04 the bear 23:11:25 that being the illogical one 23:12:51 ah, right 23:13:37 that's the danger of having most of your english practice from reading and writing :( 23:13:40 that does suck about english, i wish i'd've learned a real language instead 23:13:42 like ithkuil 23:13:59 i never checked it out before, because i was told it's extremely complicated 23:14:03 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 23:14:11 but sofar seems pretty easy and clean 23:14:36 this is a meaning of "real" with which i was not previously familiar 23:15:06 oerjan: this is oklopol-real 23:15:11 he wants lojban to have _more abstract words_ 23:15:14 and less practical ones 23:16:23 ah, a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cloudcuckoolander 23:16:51 well, lojban is good for real-world use, but its not all that interesting as such 23:17:20 which indeed is mainly because of it's vocabulary 23:17:24 -!- Iskr has quit ("Leaving"). 23:23:07 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:23:15 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 23:28:11 well, lojban is good for real-world use 23:28:14 OKLOPOL REALITY 23:28:50 OKLEALITY 23:29:01 OKLEALITYITY 23:29:32 no. 23:30:21 oerjan: no okotowers? 23:30:38 no itytowers 23:31:13 o 23:31:19 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 23:31:38 OKOKOKOKLEALITY is of course completely reasonable 23:32:03 well the word. the concept is rather horrible to the mind. 23:32:46 OKOLEALITY 23:33:58 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:34:14 -!- oklopol has joined. 23:34:31 OKOLEALITY 23:34:38 * oerjan was worried that increased okodensity had caused oklopol to collapse into a black hole there 23:35:09 :) 23:35:16 you and your crazy shenanigan 23:35:17 s 23:35:19 OKOLEALITY 23:36:40 perhaps it should be just OKOALITY 23:37:13 OKOALITY 23:37:17 to keep the analogy to reality and wikiality clear 23:37:20 OKOALITY 23:37:29 OKOKOALITY 23:37:42 OKOKOKOALITY 23:37:46 OKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:05 OKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:07 OKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:11 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:13 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:17 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:18 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:22 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:23 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:27 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:28 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:31 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:32 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:37 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:42 OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY 23:38:50 WE WERE GOING DOWN OERJAN 23:38:51 DAMNIT 23:39:13 i removed four letters but forgot i had just preemptively added them :( 23:39:31 haha. 23:39:32 brb. 23:40:41 remember, preemptive action is bad for your health 23:41:42 -!- oklofok has joined. 23:42:07 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 23:42:36 * oerjan notes that the okokollapse theory is verified 23:44:34 heh 23:44:48 * lament contemplates banning *!*@* 23:44:53 lament: DO IT 23:45:10 and killing myself 23:45:36 bad day? 23:46:14 lament: if you don't do it I WILL 23:46:51 let's share the workload 23:46:57 i ban *!*@*, you kill yourself 23:47:42 lament: deal 23:48:04 oerjan: i'm rewriting my entire application from automatic to manual garbage collection because otherwise i can't link with a manually-collected third-party library. 23:49:10 i see. so you really just want to kill the library author. 23:49:14 lament: i did the deal, now do it 23:50:38 oerjan: well, i want to kill apple most of all for not allowing to combine different GC strategies in one process 23:50:55 lament: at least it's not windows, right? 23:50:57 the library author is not really at fault 23:51:15 they shouldn't have to distribute two different binaries 23:51:39 especially since the library is a plugin to be installed by regular end users 23:51:54 tusho: yeah. 23:52:25 lament: though I certainly won't argue that apple has a lot of braindead stuff. 23:52:26 i'm willing to tolerate a lot of evil from objc because it's after all C. It feels warm and fuzzy. The compiler is gcc. The debugger is gdb. 23:53:05 lament: c feels warm and fuzzy? Oh-kay. 23:53:27 well, it does 23:53:34 -!- hotidlerchick has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 23:53:36 i love c 23:53:47 it's "home" :) 23:54:02 even if c# is better in every way (which it is) 23:54:32 lament: c# is god awful. 23:54:40 really? it's better than most languages 23:54:44 sure 23:54:47 most languages are unspeakably awful 23:55:02 (don't expect me to defend this, btw, it's midnight and yesterday is catching up to me) 23:55:18 for writing a large app, c#+visual studio seems an excellent choice 23:55:52 -!- timotiis_ has joined. 23:55:53 of course, it's evil and closed source and windows only so i wouldn't use it for any hobby projects 23:58:07 lament: now ban *!*@* 23:59:17 -!- ihope has joined. 23:59:44 Suddenly, I have the idea for an esolang where everything interesting happens due to rounding error.