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01:06:19 <ehird> pikhq: FOR whooboy in #ircnomic? :3
01:06:45 <ehird> oerjan: Or you. :P
01:06:48 <ehird> I'll Hug you!
01:06:51 <pikhq> FOR Nice try.
01:07:18 <ehird> pikhq: :(
01:07:21 <ehird> Whyy?
01:07:28 <ehird> It's cool.
01:07:38 <ehird> And it's a scam involving ihope's unfortunate contract-joking!
01:07:46 <ehird> pikhq: And I'll Hug you fifty times.
01:07:53 <lament> <3
01:08:03 <ehird> lament: Hug awards a point
01:08:04 <ehird> :P
01:08:30 <lament> how many points for a blowjob?
01:08:49 <ehird> lament: Beats me.
01:08:49 <ehird> <ehird> I hug ihope x 1,000,000.
01:08:49 <ehird> <ihope> Yay, I have 1,000,005 points.
01:09:12 <ehird> I can give people as many points as I want, and then even though I'm in the negatives by far, I can just fail at a Double or Nothing to get back to 0.
01:10:06 <ehird> <ehird> I hug ihope x A(g_64,g_64) where A is the ackermann function and g_64 Graham's number.
01:11:38 * oerjan decides not to put any money in Zimbabwe dollars
01:12:32 <oerjan> i think #ircnomic points have higher value :D
01:12:52 <ehird> oerjan: quite
01:13:01 <ehird> join #ircnomic and I'll give you crazy amounts
01:15:36 <ehird> oerjan: no? ;)
01:18:11 <ehird> oerjan: OK, how about this. I will give you an absurd amount of points (number of your choosing) if you join #ircnomic and say 'FOR evil'.
01:19:37 <oerjan> i think you must have misunderstood my comment. i did not say i considered #ircnomic points to have high value :/
01:20:14 <ehird> oerjan: oh I know
01:20:17 <ehird> I'm just trying to bribe you
01:28:08 <ehird> oerjan: plzzz
01:28:11 <ehird> oerjan: 3 minutes to go
01:28:12 <ehird> :<<
01:28:18 <ehird> oerjan: This is even an interesting scam
01:29:06 <ehird> oerjan: pleeeez
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02:31:29 <ehird> <<
02:31:30 <ehird> What is "Legend of Z.e.l.d.a."?
02:31:30 <ehird> What is "NES"?
02:31:30 <ehird> Edit: not kidding...
02:31:30 <ehird> >>
02:31:32 <ehird> -- reddit comment
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03:20:49 <ehird> Bye for today :-)
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06:58:36 <Sgeo> G'night all
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08:32:12 <GregorR> http://www.codu.org/imgs/win3plusplus.png // CONSIDER YOUR MINDS BLOWN
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12:07:56 <Corun> Pop quiz! "Thy" is olde english for "your"... How does one say "I"? Particularly "I am fine" or "I'm OK"
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15:43:18 <RodgerTheGreat> GregorR: you made a new window manager?
15:45:04 <pikhq> Spiffy.
15:46:01 <pikhq> Corun needs to beware: "Thy" is the second person plural possesive. . . And that's Early Modern English, not Old English.
15:46:31 <pikhq> ('thy', in the typical romanisation of Old English, would be pronounced something like "thth")
15:49:45 <Deewiant> wikipedia is of the opinion that thy is singular
15:49:56 <Deewiant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou#Declension
15:50:07 <pikhq> My brain is of the opinion that I got "thy" and "you" screwed up.
15:50:15 <Deewiant> :-)
15:50:49 <pikhq> It's also of the opinion that. . . WHOHOO! HIGH SCHOOL IS OVER!!!
15:59:10 <oklofyug> MINE TOO!!!!
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15:59:41 <oklopol> although i don't really see it as that great, i keep thinking how much of a waste it was
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20:47:12 <RodgerTheGreat> hey guys- who's seen this?
20:47:25 <RodgerTheGreat> ais523: wanna help me take a crack at this puzzle? http://www.pixabug.com/aliens/fnalcodeletter_sanesize.jpg
20:47:30 <ais523> RodgerTheGreat: that's out of context
20:47:37 <RodgerTheGreat> apparently this was faxed to fermilab
20:47:47 <ais523> it's probably a hoax
20:48:01 <ehird> looks creepy
20:48:13 <RodgerTheGreat> that doesn't mean it isn't fun to try to decode it
20:48:23 <ais523> maybe it has no decode
20:48:51 <ehird> ais523: maybe it does
20:48:58 <RodgerTheGreat> my initial thoughts: ternary block, hex/symbol correlation, what appears to be interpretable as "SFC" and then a binary block
20:49:34 <RodgerTheGreat> I figured that if anybody could solve it, it'd be the crowd here in #Esoteric
20:49:42 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: it does look creepy though
20:51:36 <RodgerTheGreat> here's a textual version to play with: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1210967467.html
20:51:55 <RodgerTheGreat> ehird: any thoughts?
20:52:55 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: it's still creepy
20:52:55 <ehird> ;)
20:53:08 <RodgerTheGreat> The symbols are interesting- I can identify an "i", a phi symbol, a subtraction sign and something that resembles a greater-than sign
20:53:21 <ais523> that is so nothing to do with aliens
20:53:26 <RodgerTheGreat> can you guys assign meaning to any of the other symbols?
20:53:41 <ais523> they wouldn't be using our symbols for those things, and if they were, they would have said something more intelligible
20:53:42 <RodgerTheGreat> ais523: I think it's much more likely to be some fermilab recruiting ploy. :)
20:54:01 <RodgerTheGreat> to my way of thinking, it's just a fun puzzle
20:54:13 <ehird> ais523: it's not alien related
20:54:17 <ehird> not least because aliens wouldn't fax.
20:54:24 <ehird> but is _is_ mildly creepy, imo
20:54:40 <RodgerTheGreat> maybe it's a trailhead for an ARG! :D
20:55:03 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: Fermiargggggggg
20:55:20 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: where'dj00 find this?
20:55:29 <RodgerTheGreat> /.
20:55:52 * ais523 came across the Slashdot homepage with /two/ articles with no comments on
20:55:57 <RodgerTheGreat> which means it'll be solved in a few hours if it's possible, which is why we should try before the fun is spilled
20:56:00 <ais523> and was disappointed that there were no comments to read
20:56:05 <ais523> that's probably the wrong reaction...
20:58:50 <RodgerTheGreat> :(
20:59:17 <RodgerTheGreat> ais523: why are you being such a spoilsport today? You're usually all over puzzles and the like
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21:00:03 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: I think he thinks we believe it means anything
21:00:07 <ehird> as opposed to merely be ing interesting
21:00:15 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm firmly in the latter camp
21:00:39 <ehird> *being
21:00:39 <RodgerTheGreat> even if it ends up being "DRINK MORE OVALTINE" it can be loads of fun
21:01:06 <RodgerTheGreat> maybe the hex is a decryption key of some kind?
21:01:35 <ehird> <RodgerTheGreat> even if it ends up being "DRINK MORE OVALTINE" it can be loads of fun
21:01:40 <ehird> ...
21:01:42 <ehird> there are no words
21:01:43 <ehird> YOU WIN
21:01:57 <RodgerTheGreat> ?
21:02:10 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: that was brilliant
21:02:19 <RodgerTheGreat> oh, ok
21:04:33 <RodgerTheGreat> so, I guess we aren't all going to spend the evening feverishly working on this?
21:08:40 <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: maybe
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21:10:16 <RodgerTheGreat> ais523: connection issues?
21:10:42 <ais523> yes
21:10:49 <ais523> the wireless here is dodgy
21:11:01 <ais523> and how did ais523_ end up here?
21:11:25 * RodgerTheGreat shrugs
21:11:27 <ais523> I've never been reverse-ghosted before, and I don't remember having been logged on as ais523_ today for more than a few minutes at a time
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21:11:37 <ehird> <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: I think he thinks we believe it means anything
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21:46:04 <GregorR> RodgerTheGreat: Not a new window manager, that's Windows.
21:46:13 <RodgerTheGreat> hunh
21:46:38 <GregorR> http://www.codu.org/imgs/win3plusplus.png (for those who missed it before)
21:46:49 <RodgerTheGreat> does this imply you somehow recompiled a 16-bit version of firefox, or did you transplant explorer onto a newer OS?
21:47:04 <GregorR> Neither.
21:47:16 <RodgerTheGreat> potatochop?
21:47:26 <GregorR> Look at the title bar to progman :P
21:47:37 <ehird> GregorR: Slow website is slow.
21:47:50 <GregorR> ehird: Not slow for me *shrugs*\
21:48:31 <ehird> GregorR: Wow.
21:48:39 <ehird> GregorR: you ... ported Progman?
21:48:52 <GregorR> Nope.
21:48:58 <ais523> hey, there was a progman port in Windows 95. Not sure if anyone ever used it, though
21:49:01 <GregorR> HA HA HA. Mind blowing.
21:49:07 <GregorR> ais523: Not '95.
21:49:13 <GregorR> Which is to say, that's not '95.
21:49:18 <ais523> yes, I know
21:49:20 <GregorR> Nor did I transplant progman :P
21:49:28 <RodgerTheGreat> in any case, it would appear you made windows more hideous than usual. good show.
21:49:32 <ais523> the djbash implies that that's a DJGPP version of bash, so it's running as protected-mode DOS
21:49:43 <ais523> is the firefox window some sort of VPN?
21:49:46 <GregorR> Nope.
21:49:50 <GregorR> Running natively.
21:49:50 <ais523> everything there makes sense but the firefox window
21:49:57 <ehird> GregorR: well, that progman is definately running under nt
21:49:58 <ehird> oh wait
21:50:00 <ais523> and you didn't set Firefox as your desktop background?
21:50:00 <ehird> GregorR: it's windows nt
21:50:02 <ehird> isn't it
21:50:04 <GregorR> DING
21:50:13 <GregorR> NT 3 - the NT everybody forgot :P
21:50:22 <GregorR> Also the first Windows that supported Win32, and so will run Firefox.
21:50:30 <ehird> Very cool.
21:50:44 <RodgerTheGreat> I said earlier that I thought you took the 3.1 explorer and grafted it onto another windows version. I saw someone do a similar trick on windows 98SE
21:51:15 <GregorR> RodgerTheGreat: But there's no grafting involved - NT 3 /shipped/ with progman ala 3.11.
21:51:32 <pikhq> GregorR: Windows 3.1 could run Win32 via Win32s. ;)
21:51:35 <ais523> when was the name 'explorer.exe' first used? Win95?
21:51:35 <RodgerTheGreat> hunh. wtf indeed
21:51:44 <ais523> oh, I remember Win32s
21:51:46 <ais523> I never used it
21:51:50 <ais523> but I have manuals for it somewhere
21:51:51 <GregorR> pikhq: The 's' is for 'subset', which means it won't run most anything at all :P
21:51:59 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: progman.exe, IIRC, was dropped circa Windows XP.
21:51:59 <RodgerTheGreat> I prefer to call my explorer "Finder". :)
21:52:08 <GregorR> I think NT 4 predates '95 by a bit, I may be wrong.
21:52:11 <pikhq> GregorR: It runs Firefox 1.x
21:52:19 <GregorR> And the name "explorer" is used in NT 4.
21:52:26 <GregorR> pikhq: DOUBLE-U TEE EF? Really?
21:53:00 <pikhq> Also, explorer.exe was first used in an optional addon to NT 3.
21:53:21 <pikhq> This optional addon provided you the Win95-style UI instead of the Program Manager.
21:53:21 <GregorR> Oh yeah, newshell :)
21:54:12 <pikhq> Ah, the "Shell Technology Preview".
21:54:23 <pikhq> Windows NT 3.51, to be exact.
21:54:45 <pikhq> Also, Windows 95 came out before Windows NT 4.
21:54:48 <pikhq> (yay, Wikipedia)
21:55:16 <GregorR> Pfffft, looking things up :P
21:55:18 <RodgerTheGreat> did anybody ever use DOSSHELL? Damn, I loved that app
21:56:56 <GregorR> I vaguely remember its existence :P
21:57:09 <ais523> RodgerTheGreat: I read a manual for that too
21:57:30 <ehird> ais523: You read manuals for software you don't use.
21:57:40 <RodgerTheGreat> Dosshell is actually a lot like mc
21:57:59 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.compu-seite.de/bilder/dos62/dosshell1.gif
21:58:29 <RodgerTheGreat> it's a wonderful interface when all you have is a keyboard
21:59:07 <GregorR> RodgerTheGreat: ... so is bash ;)
21:59:17 <pikhq> ... So is the Midnight Commander.
21:59:22 <RodgerTheGreat> well, COMMAND.COM is no bash, dude
21:59:30 <GregorR> Yeah, command.com sucks much face.
21:59:32 <pikhq> And, yeah, Command.com sucks ass.
21:59:45 <GregorR> NT 3's command interpreter is a bit better, but still doesn't have tab completion.
21:59:50 <GregorR> (It has history at least)
22:00:15 <pikhq> IIRC, the command.com in FreeDOS is quite a bit better.
22:00:40 <ehird> so wait
22:00:44 <ehird> command.com sucks face AND as
22:00:45 <ehird> s
22:00:52 <pikhq> It sucks everything.
22:02:24 <GregorR> Its only marketable skill is to suck.
22:02:35 <GregorR> But yeah, FreeDOS command.com is awesome.
22:02:44 <GregorR> (By comparison)
22:02:58 <ais523> however, there are some bugs in cmd.exe that Windows command.com doesn't have
22:03:14 * GregorR can't parse that sentence.
22:05:31 <ais523> however, (there are (some ((bugs in cmd.exe) that ((Windows command.com) doesn't have))))
22:06:01 <ehird> would solve all this notation polish.
22:06:19 <ais523> ehird: now, I can't parse /that/ alleged-sentence...
22:06:20 <ehird> for few minutes let's talk like this.
22:06:29 <ehird> ais523: "polish notation would solve all this"
22:06:36 <ehird> ais523: predicate, followed by arguments
22:06:45 <ais523> polish notation fails with variable arity...
22:07:15 <ehird> ais523: it's not like english isn't ambigious already
22:07:30 <ehird> so let's just do this (ha! works that)
22:07:47 <ehird> how today you?
22:08:28 <ehird> interesting puzzle 's RodgerTheGreat.
22:08:51 <ais523> ehird: you should just write in Latin, most simple sentences have the same meaning when you anagram them
22:08:57 <ais523> at the word level, that is
22:09:02 <GregorR> not does take this into account prepositions
22:09:02 <ais523> Perligata has the same property
22:10:15 <ehird> GregorR: so what
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22:15:27 <pikhq> ais523: Variable arity Polish notation is fairly simple. Every variable arity function has, as its first argument, its number of arguments. :p
22:15:43 <ais523> pikhq: it should be the last argument instead, that would be confusing
22:15:57 * ais523 tries to figure out whether that would be ambiguous
22:16:07 <lament> ais523: of course it would be ambiguous
22:16:19 <lament> + 1 2 3
22:16:30 <ais523> that's unambiguous because it ends with the 3
22:16:49 <lament> no, it's actually (+ 1 2) 3
22:16:51 <ais523> of course it's ambiguous if you don't know where the expression ends, but if you do, I'm not as sure
22:16:52 <lament> it puts two numbers on the stack
22:17:07 <lament> oh hm
22:17:10 <ais523> lament: I was assuming that the stack ends up empty
22:17:13 <lament> i bet it's still ambiguous
22:17:26 <ais523> yes, that's what I would think too, but I can't think of an example
22:17:57 <ais523> hmm... do the numbers-of-arguments have to be constants?
22:20:09 <oerjan> hm...
22:23:20 <ais523> [22:22] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-PING request to ais523.
22:23:20 <ais523> [22:23] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from ais523, sending answer.
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22:23:29 <ais523> I can well imagine that I somehow missed something in that
22:23:30 <ais523> did I?
22:23:54 <oerjan> not unless you missed my "hm..."
22:24:02 <ais523> no, I got the hm...
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22:35:59 <oerjan> oh wait of course. + + 1 2 3 + 1 2 3 3 can parse in two ways
22:36:14 <ais523> oh, of coures
22:36:17 <ais523> s/es/se/
22:37:21 <oerjan> um actually that's a bit inconsistent
22:37:30 <oerjan> does the count include itself
22:37:57 <oerjan> if so, + + 1 2 3 + 1 2 3 4
22:38:21 <oerjan> if not, + + 0 1 2 + 0 1 2 3
22:38:25 <ais523> in what way?
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22:38:46 <oerjan> is the count included in the arguments counted
22:39:02 <ais523> presumably
22:39:07 <ais523> that's what a literal reading would say
22:39:23 <ais523> it doesn't make a difference if it isn't, because the numbers could just be all reduced by 1
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23:41:49 <ehird> Bacq.
23:43:32 <lament> Bach?
23:44:04 <ehird> <ais523> hmm... do the numbers-of-arguments have to be constants?
23:44:10 <ehird> variable argc prefix = wow
23:44:15 <ehird> can you get TCness that way?
23:44:16 <ehird> application:
23:44:19 <ehird> func^argc(...)
23:44:21 <ehird> err
23:44:24 <ehird> func^argc ...
23:44:27 <ehird> but argc can be an arbitary expr
23:44:28 <ehird> wait
23:44:29 <ehird> make that
23:44:30 <ehird> func argc ...
23:44:37 <ehird> I'm sure youi can get TCness from that.
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