00:03:22 2 more days until Shadowmoor prerelease. w00ts. 00:28:31 -!- Nickless-59D128 has joined. 00:28:36 -!- Nickless-59D128 has changed nick to Slereah. 00:28:38 Hello people 00:33:48 -!- timotiis has quit (Client Quit). 00:53:33 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:04:29 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:04:56 -!- wildhalcyon has joined. 01:46:50 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has joined. 01:47:06 hey 01:50:54 Hello. 01:59:47 Was there anything interesting happening here? 02:00:24 On occasion. 02:00:46 no. Never. 02:07:11 I meant when I came in. 02:07:33 Have I missed half of a conversation 02:07:49 on the merits of the Church-Turing thesis, 02:07:53 that sort of thing. 02:08:35 yes 02:08:39 you missed the Church half 02:09:24 well 02:09:29 as you were 02:09:33 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has left (?). 02:21:39 -!- lament has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 02:21:39 -!- pikhq has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 02:21:47 -!- mental has joined. 02:21:50 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:23:40 -!- atsampson has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 02:23:40 -!- Overand has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 02:23:40 -!- mtve has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 02:23:43 -!- Overand has joined. 02:23:51 -!- atsampson has joined. 02:23:56 -!- mtve has joined. 02:45:55 -!- wildhalcyon has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]"). 04:19:43 -!- calamari has joined. 04:25:05 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:25:06 -!- EsoBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:28:24 -!- mental has changed nick to lament. 04:29:26 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:30:05 EsoBot: sit there doing nothing useful 04:30:05 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:30:10 bad bot 04:31:53 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:31:55 EsoBot: sit there doing nothing useful 04:31:55 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:45:05 -!- fizzie has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 04:45:05 -!- pikhq has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 04:45:06 -!- sebbu has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 04:45:07 -!- EgoBot has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 04:45:12 -!- EgoBot has joined. 04:45:13 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:45:23 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:45:45 -!- fizzie has joined. 04:48:19 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:48:29 EsoBot: abc 04:49:43 EsoBot: def 04:49:57 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:50:09 -!- fizzie has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 04:51:25 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:51:29 EsoBot: def 04:51:38 EsoBot: def 04:51:53 EsoBot: beef 04:52:09 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:55:11 -!- fizzie has joined. 04:55:26 -!- EsoBot has joined. 04:55:31 EsoBot: beef 04:56:15 I guess I'm not doing the thread right.. I should try fork instead 04:57:57 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:01:48 -!- EsoBot has joined. 05:01:54 EsoBot: beef 05:01:56 sh-3.2# beef 05:01:57 sh: beef: command not found 05:02:07 EsoBot: ls 05:02:09 sh-3.2# ls 05:02:10 [1;34mbin[0m [1;34mdev[0m [1;34metc[0m [1;34mhome[0m [1;34mlib[0m [1;34mproc[0m [1;34msbin[0m [1;34msys[0m [1;34mtmp[0m [1;34musr[0m 05:06:01 EsoBot:export PS1="\s-\v\$\n" 05:06:14 oops 05:08:14 guess I need to wait on it to time out 05:10:26 -!- EsoBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:11:13 -!- EsoBot has joined. 05:11:24 EsoBot: export PS1="\s-\v\$\n" 05:11:26 sh-3.2# export PS1="\s-\v\$\n" 05:11:27 sh-3.2$ 05:12:36 EsoBot: ls --color=never 05:12:47 ls --color=never 05:12:47 bin dev etc home lib proc sbin sys tmp usr 05:12:47 sh-3.2$ 05:13:07 I think it was better before.. hehe 05:13:23 EsoBot: export PS1="\s-\v\$" 05:13:25 export PS1="\s-\v\$" 05:13:43 EsoBot: python 05:13:45 sh-3.2$python 05:13:46 Python 2.4.2 (#3, Apr 13 2008, 20:46:27) 05:13:47 [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 05:13:48 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. 05:14:20 EsoBot: help 05:14:22 >>> help 05:14:23 Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object. 05:14:41 EsoBot: import sys 05:14:43 >>> import sys 05:14:49 EsoBot: sys.exit(0) 05:14:51 >>> sys.exit(0) 05:15:02 EsoBot: export PS1="\s-\v\$ " 05:15:04 sh-3.2$export PS1="\s-\v\$ " 05:16:20 EsoBot: ls -lF --color=never /etc 05:16:22 sh-3.2$ ls -lF --color=never /etc 05:16:23 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10 Apr 15 05:15 group 05:16:24 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7 Apr 15 04:29 hostname 05:16:25 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 15 04:45 init.d/ 05:16:26 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22 Apr 15 04:29 issue 05:16:27 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1412 Apr 15 04:29 ld.so.cache 05:16:28 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 330 Apr 15 04:29 mke2fs.conf 05:16:29 drwxrwxrwx 6 root root 1024 Apr 15 04:29 network/ 05:16:30 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44 Apr 15 05:15 passwd 05:16:46 EsoBot: df -h 05:16:48 sh-3.2$ df -h 05:16:49 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on 05:16:50 rootfs 60.7M 11.1M 49.7M 18% / 05:16:51 /dev/root 60.7M 11.1M 49.7M 18% / 05:16:52 devshm 14.8M 0 14.8M 0% /dev/shm 05:17:21 I need to convince it that my terminal is crap.. I wonder how I do that 05:17:42 EsoBot: export TERM=dumb 05:17:45 sh-3.2$ export TERM=dumb 05:17:51 EsoBot: ls 05:17:53 sh-3.2$ ls 05:17:54 [1;34mbin[0m [1;34mdev[0m [1;34metc[0m [1;34mhome[0m [1;34mlib[0m [1;34mproc[0m [1;34msbin[0m [1;34msys[0m [1;34mtmp[0m [1;34musr[0m 05:21:43 time to try something stupid 05:21:49 EsoBot: vi 05:21:50 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 05:21:51 sh-3.2$ vi 05:22:14 EsoBot: :q 05:23:56 EsoBot: export PS1='\s-\v\$ ' 05:24:14 [1;1H[0J 05:25:03 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:25:06 hi Sgeo 05:25:15 Hi 05:25:20 EsoBot: :q 05:25:22 sh-3.2# :q 05:25:23 sh: :q: command not found 05:25:32 ahh I guess it did work then.. hehe 05:25:48 EsoBot: cd /home/root 05:25:50 sh-3.2# cd /home/root 05:27:23 EsoBot: export PS1='[\s-\v] \w\$ ' 05:27:25 sh-3.2# export PS1='[\s-\v] \w\$ ' 05:27:34 EsoBot: ls -a 05:27:36 [sh-3.2] /home/root# ls -a 05:27:37 [1;34m.[0m [1;34m..[0m 05:27:52 EsoBot: pwd 05:27:54 [sh-3.2] /home/root# pwd 05:27:55 /home/root 05:29:54 btw, is this annoying the crap out of anyone? 05:30:15 if it is, I can stop anytime :) 05:31:56 if not, feel free to mess around with it 05:32:16 there isn't a c compiler yet, unfortunately.. still working on that.. but you have python 05:32:30 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 05:45:16 I'm impressed by your self-restraint.. figured someone would have been rm -rf /'ing by now 05:49:34 EsoBot: echo ~ 05:49:36 [sh-3.2] /home/root# echo ~ 05:49:37 / 05:49:44 Hrm. 05:49:56 ls -a --color=never / 05:50:04 oops 05:50:09 EsoBot: ls -a --color=never / 05:50:11 [sh-3.2] /home/root# ls -a --color=never / 05:50:12 . bin home sbin usr 05:50:13 .. dev lib sys 05:50:14 .bash_history etc proc tmp 05:50:17 EsoBot: :(){ :|:& };: 05:50:19 [sh-3.2] /home/root# :(){ :|:& };: 05:50:20 sh: `:': not a valid identifier 05:50:24 :( 05:50:35 Your shell is not a valid Bourne shell. 05:50:47 pikhq: it's bash 05:50:59 Lies. 05:51:07 Can't be; that'd work if it were Bourne. 05:51:24 EsoBot: fork(){ fork|fork& };fork 05:51:26 [sh-3.2] /home/root# fork(){ fork|fork& };fork 05:51:27 230 05:51:34 EsoBot: ls -lF /bin/sh 05:51:44 Can't you see it's forkbombed? 05:51:48 yes 05:52:12 And with that, I'm done fucking it over. 05:52:35 lol.. it's fighting valiantly 05:52:59 killing processes like crazy 05:54:06 [sh-3.2] /home/root# sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:07 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:08 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:09 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:10 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:11 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:12 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:13 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:13 uhoh 05:54:14 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:15 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:17 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:19 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:21 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:23 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:25 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:27 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:29 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:31 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:33 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:35 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:37 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:39 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:40 wow, it won 05:54:41 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:43 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:45 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:47 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:54:49 sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 05:55:09 EsoBot: halt 05:55:40 it looks like the bot lost its shell 05:56:13 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:56:30 -!- EsoBot has joined. 05:56:49 EsoBot: cat /proc/meminfo 05:56:51 sh-3.2# cat /proc/meminfo 05:56:52 MemTotal: 30216 kB 05:56:53 MemFree: 26108 kB 05:56:54 Buffers: 84 kB 05:56:55 Cached: 1368 kB 05:56:56 SwapCached: 0 kB 05:56:57 Active: 1656 kB 05:56:58 Inactive: 492 kB 05:56:59 SwapTotal: 0 kB 05:57:00 SwapFree: 0 kB 05:57:02 Dirty: 0 kB 05:57:04 Writeback: 0 kB 05:57:06 AnonPages: 712 kB 05:57:08 Mapped: 776 kB 05:57:10 Slab: 744 kB 05:57:12 SReclaimable: 148 kB 05:57:14 SUnreclaim: 596 kB 05:57:16 PageTables: 96 kB 05:57:18 NFS_Unstable: 0 kB 05:57:20 Bounce: 0 kB 05:57:22 CommitLimit: 15108 kB 05:57:24 Committed_AS: 1884 kB 05:57:26 VmallocTotal: 1007584 kB 05:57:28 VmallocUsed: 0 kB 05:57:30 VmallocChunk: 1007584 kB 05:57:35 I'm impressed tho.. usually a fork bomb like that locks the system hard.. guess they've been working on it 05:58:16 EsoBot: ls -lF /bin/sh 05:58:18 sh-3.2# ls -lF /bin/sh 05:58:19 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Apr 15 04:29 [1;36m/bin/sh[0m -> [1;32mbash[0m* 05:58:46 EsoBot: ls -lF --color=never /bin/sh 05:58:48 sh-3.2# ls -lF --color=never /bin/sh 05:58:49 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Apr 15 04:29 /bin/sh -> bash* 05:59:29 now maybe bash is just not bourne compatible enough :) 06:00:53 calamari: I added a site map ... JUST FOR YOU 06:00:56 :P 06:01:03 GregorR: excellent! 06:01:06 Modern capabilities allow for users to only use so many processes. 06:01:09 (Even though what you were looking for at the time wasn't actually on my site :p ) 06:01:49 GregorR: turns out I didn't rip off your code.. sorry :( 06:02:18 You're ... apologizing for this. God I hate common politeness. 06:03:11 lol.. maybe on the surface I was being polite 06:03:56 but the sorry meant "sorry that your code was so bad it was easier just to write what I needed from scratch" .. that better? :) 06:04:09 MUCH! 8-P 06:04:59 so now I need to learn how to use ed 06:05:23 EsoBot: cd /home/root 06:05:25 sh-3.2# cd /home/root 06:05:53 EsoBot: ed hello.py 06:05:55 sh-3.2# ed hello.py 06:05:56 hello.py: No such file or directory 06:06:04 EsoBot: ed 06:06:06 sh-3.2# ed 06:06:28 a 06:06:32 EsoBot: a 06:06:34 : a 06:07:04 EsoBot: #!/usr/bin/env python 06:07:06 #!/usr/bin/env python 06:07:19 EsoBot: print "Hello, World!" 06:07:21 print "Hello, World!" 06:07:25 EsoBot: . 06:07:27 . 06:08:15 EsoBot: f hello.py 06:08:17 : f hello.py 06:08:45 EsoBot: w 06:08:48 : w 06:08:49 "hello.py", 2 lines, 44 chars 06:08:53 EsoBot: q 06:08:55 : q 06:09:07 EsoBot: chmod +x hello.py 06:09:09 Really quit? chmod +x hello 06:09:37 argh.. .. linux is just not designed with a line printer in mind 06:10:19 EsoBot: q 06:10:21 : q 06:10:26 EsoBot: y 06:10:29 Really quit? y 06:10:45 EsoBot: chmod +x hello.py 06:10:47 sh-3.2# chmod +x hello.py 06:11:05 EsoBot: ./hello.py 06:11:07 sh-3.2# ./hello.py 06:11:09 Hello, World! 06:12:15 maybe there is a stty command I need 06:15:43 EsoBot: du -hs / 06:15:45 sh-3.2# du -hs / 06:15:46 11.1M 06:16:50 EsoBot: halt 06:16:52 sh-3.2# halt 06:17:14 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:18:00 GregorR: did you write a program for your sitemap? 06:23:45 http://choosemyhat.com/ that's pretty funny 06:27:26 GregorR: you need a baseball cap 06:28:18 -!- oklopol has joined. 06:46:27 -!- oklohot has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:49:54 -!- EsoBot has joined. 06:51:06 EsoBot: ls 06:53:20 EsoBot: ps 06:55:36 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:57:06 -!- EsoBot has joined. 06:59:06 EsoBot: ls 06:59:08 sh-3.2# ls 06:59:09 [1;34mbin[0m [1;34mdev[0m [1;34metc[0m [1;34mhome[0m [1;34mlib[0m [1;34mproc[0m [1;34msbin[0m [1;34msys[0m [1;34mtmp[0m [1;34musr[0m 06:59:25 cool, private message is working 06:59:33 opens a new shell 07:00:41 still needs to check for nick changes and such so be gentle :) 07:01:36 EsoBot: poweroff 07:01:38 sh-3.2# poweroff 07:05:09 -!- EsoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:06:45 GregorR: you around? 07:11:53 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 07:24:53 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:40:57 -!- kwertii has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:41:37 -!- kwertii has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:09:35 -!- Iskr has joined. 09:00:17 -!- atsampson has quit ("back in a minute"). 09:02:02 -!- atsampson has joined. 09:17:15 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 09:54:17 -!- oklohot has joined. 09:57:31 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg <<< i only use these (yes, yes, i use smiling dudes for my sick sex games) 09:57:35 i have like 7 of them 09:57:38 perhaps more like 20 09:58:18 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:02:04 -!- oklohot has changed nick to oklopol. 10:02:09 -!- oklopol has changed nick to oklofok. 10:22:42 -!- kwertii has quit ("bye"). 10:59:17 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Unisex."). 12:53:50 -!- oklofok has changed nick to oklopol. 12:57:15 -!- jix has joined. 15:01:25 -!- timotiis has joined. 15:03:52 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 15:03:54 hi 15:05:16 hi 15:05:42 hey, oklopol- what's up? 15:06:04 esoteric-wise, oklotalk-- and nopol 15:06:24 coding-wise, those + seedfest again, if you remember that, gotten some of the evolution stuff to work 15:06:36 life-wise, those, plus some girl stuff 15:06:42 and ya? 15:08:09 Hm. An extremely stressful week is drawing to a close, and all I have to worry about is an Algorithms exam. I am looking forward to the weekend and sleep, and I've started drawing the tileset for a new game idea 15:08:24 Also, I lost my sketchbook last week, which really sucks. :( 15:08:52 was it a *the* scetchbook? 15:08:57 (sic) 15:09:34 what i mean is, was it like the scetchbook you've using your whole life, or jsut one of them 15:09:42 *just 15:09:51 algorithms exam sounds easy 15:09:59 how advanced? 15:10:09 moderately difficult stuff 15:10:16 and the sketchbook is about a year old 15:10:18 example? 15:10:49 how many pieces of art are we talking? hundreds 15:10:51 `? 15:11:05 wow, i need to leave in like 5 minutes :\ 15:11:18 but answer both if you can' 15:11:51 well, let me describe the professor- that'll give you a better idea. Three times this semester (so far), he's included homework problems that are in fact impossible. "Sorry about that, guys!" 15:12:01 and yes, many many pages of drawings 15:12:20 lol :D 15:12:28 would be awesome to do that on purpose 15:13:36 i would prolly be the kind of professor who always gives an on-topic question the humanity has yet to answer, and says "if you solve this, or make a good attempt to, you get an A" 15:13:44 well perhaps not the good attempt to 15:13:48 well, I guess we learned from them but it tends to make homework less fun 15:13:51 but would be so awesome to do stuff like that 15:13:59 yeah, well 15:14:10 you can never be sure if you're stuck because you're missing something or because it cannot be done 15:14:14 making people do impossible stuff without telling them it's impossible is cool in a different way 15:14:20 i would prolly not do that. 15:14:38 it's cool as in "lol what a freak you have as a professor" 15:15:02 but 15:15:11 what kind of algos 15:15:22 one vague example is sufficient 15:16:25 I think this exam covers brute force algorithms, divide-and-conquer and reduce-and-conquer 15:16:40 there's potential for some pretty nasty stuff involving 2-4 trees as well 15:16:53 2-4 tree is just a special case of b? 15:17:02 hmm 15:17:07 or not... 15:17:13 i don't remember now 15:17:14 an isomorphism of red-black 15:17:19 perhaps i don't even know 15:17:27 hmm 15:17:30 avl? 15:17:53 okay, perhaps i don't know it, avl isn't isomorphic 15:17:55 just almost 15:18:10 anyway, good luck, i'll leave for a while now! 15:18:10 -> 15:19:16 -!- oklohot has joined. 15:19:47 -!- ehird has joined. 15:20:10 oklohot, are you still dead 15:20:13 -!- oklohot has quit (Client Quit). 15:21:50 HAHA 15:30:55 EsoBot: sit there doing nothing useful04:30:05 15:30:55 EsoBotQuit with message (Remote closed the connection). 15:33:44 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg <<< i only use these (yes, yes, i use smiling dudes for my sick sex games) 15:33:46 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:46 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:46 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:47 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:47 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:50 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:52 http://content.cafepress.com/products/additional_photos/152_c6_1.jpg 15:33:55 We *get it*. 15:33:57 linking to anything which can lead to that picture is a trap 15:33:59 don't do it! 15:34:03 i can't restrain myself 15:37:06 -!- oklopol has quit (No route to host). 15:40:59 Is it a cockmongler? 15:55:55 -!- oktabot has quit (Connection timed out). 15:59:35 Slereah, Perhaps. 16:17:03 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:17:32 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:21:34 hello, ais523 16:21:37 hello, Sgeo 16:21:41 hello, ehird 16:22:00 Hi ehird 16:24:27 hello, ais523 16:24:29 Hi Sgeo 16:24:36 (uh oh, our regexp handlers are broken) 16:24:42 * ais523 has an urge to say hello to someone else at random 16:24:46 hello, EgoBot! 16:24:56 that wasn't very randomly chosen, by the way 16:25:05 maybe I should say hello to clog and cmeme too 16:25:09 Hello, clog and cmeme! 16:25:18 what is the diff. between clog and cmeme 16:25:23 clog = ~ned 16:25:24 nef 16:25:26 any other bots in here I've missed? 16:25:26 cmeme = ircbrowse.com 16:25:34 but doesn't ircbrowse.com read from ~ned?? 16:25:43 no, they log themselves, I think 16:25:46 hm, seems not 16:26:00 ais523, the reason I said was: 16:26:19 These logs are purposely "raw" and are intended to be parsed/reformated/wrapped before viewing. 16:26:19 Annoyances such as horizontal window scrolling are due to the poor choice of viewer. 16:26:19 For a so-called "pretty" view of these logs, go to http://tunes.org/~coreyr/. 16:26:19 For even "prettier" (css'd, searchable, customizable, etc) logs, go to http://meme.b9.com. 16:26:20 ahh 16:26:23 meme must have used to do it 16:26:48 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/ --> .pr UPPER .pr STRING p=".pr UPPER .pr STRING p=?;print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:])";print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:]) --> this_is_an_oklotalk_quine. 16:26:51 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric --> .pr UPPER .pr STRING p=".pr UPPER .pr STRING p=?;print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:])";print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:]) --> this_is_an_oklotalk_quine. 16:26:54 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ --> .pr UPPER .pr STRING p=".pr UPPER .pr STRING p=?;print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:])";print(p[:22]+REPR 34+p+REPR 34+p[24:]) --> this_is_an_oklotalk_quine. 16:26:58 ehird: the "prettier" line doesn't say "of these logs", whereas the line above does 16:27:09 ais523, well, yes 16:27:13 so I reckon that they knew they were different logs all along 16:29:29 incidentally, the topic is also a Kimian quine in INTERCAL-72 16:29:54 but C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL will print out an error message, and line number, etc., too, as did at least the Princeton version of INTERCAl-72 16:30:00 s/Al/AL/ 16:30:52 kimian quines are fun 16:31:10 ais523, do you know gnome? my taskbar just moved to the side of the screen and it won't go bac 16:31:12 k 16:31:28 ehird: I don't know it very well 16:31:44 :(( 16:31:47 you can remove all your customisations by deleting the appropriate dot file, and I've had to do that before 16:32:25 (when I accidentally renamed all the files in my home directory to lowercase, it hit Desktop too, and it changed the settings automatically in an attempt to work around this, leading to ~ becoming my desktop, which was really confusing) 16:33:02 ais523, oh jeez, i had to grab the few pixels between the top of the window buttons and the top of the taskbar.. 16:33:04 and drag it down 16:33:17 Gnome: GUIs for genius retards 16:33:17 you have the toolbar at the bottom? 16:33:25 ais523, taskbar 16:33:27 ah 16:33:33 yes, bottom is good for a taskbar 16:33:36 top is good for menus 16:33:43 ais523, I prefer no taskbar 16:33:45 that way you don't get them mixed up 16:33:57 * ais523 is used to using a taskbar 16:33:57 I like the OS X way of almost entirely forgetting that 'app' and 'app instance' are seperate 16:34:18 ehird: that's not very useful when you have three terminal windows open 16:34:22 ais523, Hmm. I was too, but I adjusted to the Dock in a matter of days. 16:34:30 And it's suprisingly useful! Click terminal, and they all appear. 16:34:33 Or: 16:34:38 Right click Terminal, and choose the window. 16:34:54 Also, Expose is win when you want a specific window. 16:36:25 ehird: but that takes multiple clicks/keystrokes 16:36:33 I have terminal windows I'm using, and ones I want to forget about 16:36:39 ais523, I've always found it faster than hutning around the taskbar. 16:36:43 sometimes I'll push the ones I want to forget about onto a second desktop 16:36:52 Anyway, Expose is the best one for finding a specific window. 16:36:59 my taskbar is rarely cluttered, normally there are no more than 4 there at once 16:37:11 F9, you immediately or near-immediately recognize the window you need, and shoot over and click it. 16:37:14 and I can use Compiz to do much the same thing if I find the need to do that 16:37:22 it's alt-shift-up here 16:37:26 ais523, You can also F9-tab to select specific applications. 16:37:30 Also, Compiz stole it from OS X. 16:37:34 ehird: I know 16:37:53 On a side node, the PHP docs are gems. 16:37:59 People posting functions to sort objects by key! 16:38:22 alt-shift-up then use arrow keys sounds easier than the keystrokes you mention, though 16:38:46 ais523, F9-arrows works 16:39:07 that sounds better, but I actually have to reach up to F9 16:39:24 ais523, you can rebind it 16:39:25 and being an Emacs user I can find Alt and Shift pretty quickly with my left hand, but F9 with my left hand is just painful 16:39:27 also 16:39:32 you can bind it to a screen corner 16:39:34 I don't do that. 16:39:40 But swerve-swerve-click is damn fast. 16:39:55 Obviously if you use OS X you have to be fast with the mouse. It's not hard. 16:39:58 rebindability is the best way to solve flame wars about keyboard layout :) 16:40:11 Totally! 16:40:11 ehird: I don't use a mouse most of the time, except for browsing the Internet 16:40:27 ais523, Well then duhhh. Of course you don't think OS X is fast. 16:40:37 Not rocket science. 16:40:48 although I bought a new one today (I wanted a wired one so I wouldn't need batteries) and I have it connected to test that it works 16:41:00 http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/ augmented reality quake 16:41:06 i MUST have this 16:41:07 I admire many things about OS X, but have no reason to spend the money to buy it 16:57:33 * ais523 has just thought of a new sort of CAPTCHA, which would manage to simultaneously be useless and annoying 16:57:42 the website puts out a word in plaintext 16:57:55 and the user has to make an image containing that word and upload it, which the server then has to be able to OCR 16:58:06 easy to automate, painful for a human to do 17:01:32 ais523, HAHA 17:01:35 that's actually useful 17:01:40 how? 17:01:40 although.. no 17:01:42 i was thinking, 17:01:45 you could invert the result 17:01:49 if they failed, then they're a human 17:01:53 but ... a bot could just automatically fail 17:02:25 ais523, I actually think good captchas can be fun 17:02:48 the idea was prompted by the one on thedailywtf 17:02:53 Like, solving a maths problem is irritating. 17:02:55 But.. 17:02:57 What about in reverse? 17:03:03 Show a regular CAPTCHA image of a number. 17:03:05 they put one which is obviously unsolvable in Error'd 17:03:09 And require a sum that rseults in that number. 17:03:17 I guess, though, if you can crack the test that doesn't help. 17:03:24 Something javascript-based with a fallback could be fun. 17:03:26 ehird: the CAPTCHA on intercal.freeshell.org is interesting 17:03:27 Like, a Simon Says. 17:03:32 ais523, But irritating 17:04:00 ehird: no, if you click the link to the explanation of mingle, then the CAPTCHA sum is used as the example in the documentation 17:05:43 ais523, it's still irritating 17:07:25 what, even with tabbed browsing? 17:10:03 ais523, yes 17:23:14 ais523, actually, a good captcha would be 17:23:18 'which of these jokes is funny?' 17:23:27 because you could select exactly the kind of people who could view your website 17:23:29 based on their sense of humour 17:23:33 that would be a bad captcha simply because it would be too guessable 17:23:40 for example: 17:23:45 it could be brute-forced pretty quickly unless there were too many jokes 17:23:48 1. 17:23:51 2. 17:23:53 3. 17:23:57 4. 17:24:02 5. Watermelon!! hahaha 17:24:07 only '4' is accepted 17:24:18 or if you're garfield.com 1. i guess 17:24:33 I did laugh out loud when you wrote 5, although i'd probably choose 3 if those are the only options you gave 17:24:50 ais523, 3 would be instant admin status 17:24:54 most likely I'd decide not to look at your website anyway, though, which is probably what you wanted 17:24:55 I love non-jokes 17:25:08 There are only 2 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't. 17:25:14 ^^ the reason for our sentience 17:25:42 ehird: that is a joke really, because of the way it alludes to a well-known joke 17:26:06 sort of like "Why did the chicken cross the road?" is clearly not a joke out of context 17:26:24 ais523, it's an anti-joke 17:26:40 I thought it was a joke based on all the spinoffs that came up 17:26:52 e.g. "Why did the turkey cross the road? Because it was the chicken's day off." 17:27:23 ais523, I mean -- my joke is 17:27:32 yes, I like antijokes 17:27:55 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:28:18 ais523, The officially sanctioned answer to any silly joke is 'lampposts' 17:29:04 ehird: Can I have a look at your URL-routing thing you made? (What happened to Magic?) 17:29:25 Judofyr, 1. If I can find the code 2. I started coding even less useful things 17:29:33 :) 17:30:08 [Sat Apr 5 2008] [16:09:22] ais523: I have the best knock knock joke ever- say "knock knock" 17:30:16 that's a great example of an antijoke 17:30:35 indeed 17:31:14 although it seems to be a different sort of antijoke from ehird's 17:31:25 ais523, Knock knock 17:31:28 knock knock knock 17:31:30 'Who's there?' 17:31:34 KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK 17:31:37 ding-dong 17:31:42 'Who's there?' 17:31:43 KNOCK KNOCK 17:34:31 Hey. 17:34:35 Knock knock. 17:34:50 KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK 17:34:54 'Who's there?' 17:34:56 ... silence ... 17:35:34 we're not in right now, try coming back later 17:35:54 9/11. 17:37:41 * ais523 looked up "Why did the chicken cross the road?" on Wikipedia, and found that there's a city with a law prohibiting chickens from crossing roads 17:38:06 What's the penalty? 17:38:28 it doesn't say, and the reference given is to a paper book so I can't check 17:38:45 ais523, there should be a city with laws mirroring mathematical laws 17:38:46 like 17:39:09 i don't know 17:39:10 but 17:39:17 'An object must be equal to itself. 17:39:20 with appropriate penalties 17:39:20 The mechanical nirvana of Mechanus? 17:39:36 Old school Modrons were mostly geometrical shapes. 17:40:14 most modrons are geometrical shapes 17:40:20 because the ones which aren't are really rare 17:42:04 OTOH, I've never met a modron, so this is from second-hand knowledge 17:44:02 Heh. 17:44:20 But well, now they aren't shapes anymore. 17:44:25 They're clocks with legs. 17:46:20 did they used to be more abstract, then? 17:46:32 the only version of the modron I'm used to is the one updated to 3.5 17:46:55 hmm... modrons are one of the few species which could sensibly have a beta 17:48:27 Well, the second ed were literaly shapes. 17:48:34 ais523, Monkeys, humans? 17:48:39 Joking, of course. 17:48:51 Like tetraedrons with hands and an eye 17:48:55 I meant a beta for the individual animals 17:49:07 I can imagine modrons being upgraded over time 17:49:18 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Modron-Dungeons%2BDragons.png 17:49:20 Fear 17:50:02 ais523, aren't all animals upgraded over time? 17:50:03 .. essentially 17:50:19 you don't download new firmware into individual people 17:50:39 animals don't evolve whilst alive from a physical point of view, usually, evolution happens from one generation to the next 17:50:53 it is possible to make a decent argument for people evolving psychologically, though 17:52:57 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:55:44 There is some form of 'evolution' that occurs while animals are alive (though it's not evolution in the strictest sense). 17:56:05 Behavior changes readily during an animals' life, assuming a sufficiently complex nervous system. 18:00:55 what about the case of asexual bacteria? It's hard to tell when one bacterium dies, because they reproduce by splitting and you can't tell which bacterium is 'new' and which one's the 'original' 18:02:17 A fair point. 18:02:31 Arguably, that involves evolution whilst alive. 18:02:49 (because mutations *do* occur during mitosis) 18:04:33 bacon 18:04:44 Hell, if they're unicellular, even a mutation without reproduction might have effects :o 18:05:28 evolution is just a theory 18:05:49 Oh you. 18:06:36 Damn your creationism. When I was answering, a gobling bashed my skull in D: 18:06:52 lament, ditto with gravity 18:06:54 this is very useful 18:08:12 sure, gravity is just a theory 18:09:16 pretty silly one, too 18:09:25 all it does is simplify some astronomical calculations 18:10:00 Well, it actually was checked at ground level 18:10:11 That's how the gravitational constant is known, too. 18:12:47 well, that things fall down is obvious 18:12:51 that's what "down" means 18:13:15 to claim that instead of "down", things fall to where gravity attracts them is just a silly theory 18:13:42 and to claim that this applies to planets is even sillier, because planets could well be just painted on their respective celestial spheres 18:14:46 The gravity experiments aren't down, actually. 18:14:57 Because when they were done, the mass of the earth wasn't known. 18:15:09 It's done with two balls (lulz). 18:20:54 there's so much room for experimental error there 18:21:07 perhaps the attraction between the two balls was actually due to strong force! 18:23:01 Only if the balls were touching. 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Recompile the decoder with a line for that byte. 21:50:12 so we can expect up to 20min lag one-way but only when the planets are in opposition 21:50:24 and only 4 minutes in the best case 21:50:32 it seems to me there's an excellent chance of some kind of information theoretical breakthrough between now and the Mars colony which will shift paradigms, etc. and allow for far greater compression 21:50:37 8 min two-way 21:51:08 even 20-minute one-way lag would be quite acceptable, say, in #esoteric 21:51:09 quantum compression! "This is probably what your file looked like before..." 21:51:12 kwertii, extm txt spk 21:52:09 kwertii: well true AI could compress anything that isn't _actually_ random i guess - but there would be some information that _is_ truly random 21:52:45 I read something interesting the other day, that "random" is always a negative definition.. .i.e. it doesn't mean there is no pattern, just that nobody has yet found a pattern 21:52:54 census data, say, hard to imagine that not having a large random component 21:53:57 although by then an entire census of humanity would probably be considered a tiny amount of information 21:54:22 and there's a strong chance of FTL communications too. quantum entanglement looks promising 21:54:32 no it doesn't 21:54:44 (* on the timeframe we're talking about) 21:55:19 in the current theoretical setup, quantum entanglement _very_ carefully disallows FTL communication 21:55:34 no doubt some brilliant young PhD student will find a way around it in 50 years or so 21:55:49 it always happens, sooner or later.. paradigms crumble bit by bit 21:56:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-communication_theorem 21:56:24 probably, but only assuming the universe actually _does_ support FTL communication somehow 21:56:46 * ehird personally is skeptical 21:56:51 i mean, FTL stuff would just be TOO good 21:56:59 when has the universe ever been good and convenient for us? 21:57:00 and that is only assuming that 1) the universe is real, and 2) there is an objective reality, that 3) doesn't ever change its laws.. none of which have any compelling evidence IMO :) 21:57:17 sounds like arts bullshit 21:57:29 kwertii, 1) the universe is actually a pea, 2) my arse 3) potato 21:58:01 ehird: best keep that theory to yourself, or they'll lock you up 21:58:10 There's plenty of FTL thingamabob 21:58:18 But they are kinda hard to implement 21:58:21 kwertii, boo hoo 21:58:51 ehird: not saying you're necessarily wrong now... 22:01:15 lament: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation is already trying to find a way around that theorem. Given the generally poorly understood nature of the overall state of quantum mechanics, i'm sure that by the time the Mars colony is ready, they'll have found something (if not that specifically) 22:01:33 kwertii, you're far too optimistic 22:01:51 maybe you just think the Mars colony will be ready long before I do :) 22:02:00 kwertii, well, when do you think 22:02:55 200 years, minimum, assuming we don't all kill ourselves in a nuclear war or fry ourselves by depleting the atmosphere before then 22:04:11 200 years isn't enough to change the laws of the universe 22:04:54 OR IS IT? 22:04:59 To the time machine! 22:05:16 I'm not suggesting that the laws of the universe will be changed; just that the current understanding of those laws is imperfect and will be refined 22:05:23 Slereah, http://qntm.org/?f16 22:05:57 kwertii : What you're saying is that you know that the laws will allow it 22:05:59 best non-narrative joke fiction that fits on a screen. ever. 22:06:45 Slereah: no; if I knew that I would patent a FTL communications system tomorrow and become a zillionaire 22:07:02 kwertii, that has some problems 22:07:06 though the system is fucked enough 22:07:32 Slereah: Just saying it seems probable, given the history of science periodically doing "impossible" things by figuring out that the current view of the "laws" of the universe was actually incorrect in some way 22:07:35 kwertii : You could know, but not know how! 22:07:50 There's plenty of impossible things that are still impossible 22:08:04 Plus, it's no guarantee. 22:08:08 There's plenty of impossible things that are still impossible 22:08:11 best line ever 22:08:12 Not even on a statistical point of view. 22:08:17 right, no guarantee. I just said that it's "probable" 22:08:31 On what did you construct that probability? 22:08:38 What is the set of success and failure? 22:08:44 the history of paradigm shifts in science and physics in particular 22:08:48 hm actually patenting an FTL communications system _now_ might be a bad idea - it will be many years until it becomes very useful, and the patent might expire 22:09:06 Unless you're in the NSA. 22:09:07 except for space probes maybe 22:09:11 That can't change the laws of physics, kwertii 22:09:27 um how does FTL communications help the NSA? 22:09:41 (NSA patents are filed under gag order; they only take effect the moment someone *else* tries patenting the same thing) 22:09:51 oh 22:09:55 Slereah: I'm saying rather that our current idea of the laws of physics is actually incorrect in some unknown way 22:10:13 Slereah: just as Newton's idea of the laws of physics was subtly incorrect, as later demonstrated by Einstein and QM 22:10:53 (NSA patents are filed under gag order; they only take effect the moment someone *else* tries patenting the same thing) 22:10:56 LAND OF THE FREE 22:11:24 It does not matter if it is correct or not. 22:11:28 Land of the free, and the home of the military effected superior to the civil power. 22:11:38 If you do not know the correct version and its applications, you can't predict the results. 22:11:50 pikhq, AMERICA WOOO 22:13:42 ehird: but once they take effect, is the expiry time from when they were originally filed or from when they take effect? 22:13:46 Slereah: I'm not personally going to find whatever the flaw is, but it seems likely that SOMEbody will in the next few hundred years. 22:13:50 From when they take effect. 22:13:54 oerjan, No idea -- but it's retarded. 22:14:03 Very retarded. 22:14:05 er, pikhq 22:14:19 kwertii : Still. You don't know if it can be done :o 22:14:30 FTL communications? 22:14:37 ok if it had been the other way it would have been more reasonable 22:14:37 * pikhq grabs a couple of wormholes 22:14:48 I call it the 'Stargate'. 22:14:50 Slereah: No. I don't. I said only that it seems "probable" :) 22:14:52 Wormholes are so not FTL. 22:14:58 Probable implies probability. 22:15:20 People remember impossible thing becoming possible 22:15:20 How aren't they? 22:15:30 Not impossible thing remaining impossible 22:15:48 That's why they have such a sunny optimism. 22:16:18 sometimes possible things become impossible though 22:16:26 YeS. 22:16:33 Like Faster than light travel :o 22:16:38 Slereah: look at the history of physics.. a succession of paradigms overtaking one another.. the religious/mythological paradigm, the Aristotelian paradigm, the Newtonian paradigm, the "modern" relativity/QM paradigm.. they don't last forever, and each time previously impossible things become possible. Also, the rate at which new paradigms emerge is accelerating. 22:16:55 kwertii : Actually, it works both ways 22:17:00 Or 4 ways. 22:17:00 * oerjan recently saw a link about something called 'laserwort' 22:17:07 Impossible->possible 22:17:14 Possible->impossible 22:17:17 Possible->possible 22:17:18 * pikhq prefers gloomy optimism and sunny pessimism. :p 22:17:21 Impossible->impossible 22:17:33 um not quite the modern version 22:18:11 anyway it was a near-perfect contraceptive known to the ancient greeks and romans, and they were stupid enough to let it go _extinct_ 22:18:36 out of greed, probably 22:20:16 ah it's on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium 22:20:40 Well, lasers as contraceptive seems a little bit over the top! 22:20:52 oerjan, ABORTION IS WRONG 22:21:05 EVERY SPERM IS SACRED! 22:21:21 TOTALLY 22:21:24 Slereah: did anything previously possible become impossible during previous physics paradigm shifts? interesting question. Perhaps stories of "magic" are vague cultural memories of previously-possible things that became impossible when Aristotelian physics was imposed... 22:21:25 WHERE'S MY BIBLE 22:21:28 I WANT TO MISQUOTE A VERSE 22:21:39 it died out before christianity got very important though 22:21:42 kwertii, HAHAHA 22:21:45 that's great 22:21:51 We used to be able to do magic! 22:21:55 Then they came and oppressed us. 22:21:56 Fuckers. 22:22:17 kwertii : Well, FTL travel for one thing. 22:22:42 The speed of light meant nothing before the 20th century. 22:22:47 And late 19th. 22:22:53 sure 22:24:25 Well, it was the speed *of light* 22:24:35 But other than that, of no physical importance. 22:29:00 . 22:29:16 exec -o fortune -a 22:29:17 hmm 22:29:18 sh: fortune: command not found 22:29:21 XDD 22:30:44 ehird: yep. Damn Greeks with their damn "logic"... 22:30:52 Destiny is a good thing to accept when it's going your way. When it isn't, 22:30:52 don't call it destiny; call it injustice, treachery, or simple bad luck. 22:30:52 -- Joseph Heller, "God Knows" 22:30:59 well, /exec works 22:31:08 Don't diss the greeks. 22:31:11 They invented buttsex. 22:32:09 and Aristotle teaches us how magnets and fire have souls 22:32:11 One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell by Dickens 22:32:11 without laughing. 22:32:11 -- Oscar Wilde 22:33:45 "I have to agree. I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything." 22:34:36 :D 22:35:04 Going into politics is as fatal to a gentleman as going into a bordello 22:35:04 is fatal to a virgin. 22:35:04 -- H. L. Mencken, "A Carnival of Buncombe" 22:37:00 By "recursive" I mean "defined by recursion." 22:37:00 --Harvard's Prof. Sacks 22:38:15 You can't use tact with a Congressman! A Congressman is a hog! You must take a stick and hit him on the snout! 22:38:15 --Cabinet member, 1906 22:38:40 My ancestors were Puritans from England. They arrived here in 1648 in the hope of finding greater restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time. 22:38:40 --Garrison Keillor 22:43:37 Slereah, If those aren't in the fortune databases in Debian, they should be 22:44:03 There's a few. One needs to install them. 22:44:13 pikhq, I have them all installed, I think, sans language packs 22:44:13 Oh. 22:44:15 Misread. 22:44:27 fortunes-mario fortunes-bofh-excuses fortunes fortune-off 22:44:35 ehird : I dunno 22:44:36 everything but debian-hints and language ones i think 22:45:30 If you are a good economist, a virtuous economist, you are reborn as a physicist. But if you are an evil, wicked economist, you are reborn as a sociologist. 22:45:30 --An Indian economist, quoted by Paul Krugman 23:06:28 A. 23:06:56 Digamma. 23:07:35 F 23:12:17 http://pyside.blogspot.com/2008/03/interesting-facts-about-linux-file.html 23:12:22 linux refcounts files 23:12:28 we need a cheney gc for files 23:12:34 copies all live files over.. 23:46:39 Channel is dead, here is a fortune: 23:46:39 "If religion cannot restrain evil, it cannot claim effective power for good." 23:46:39 [Morris Cohen] 23:48:49 "I'm pro-choice, because fetuses are delicious." 23:48:52 - Gregor Richards 23:50:23 i'd give my arguments for pro-life but the FBI might start worrying 23:51:21 pro-life, pro-choice 23:51:23 such great terms 23:51:49 lament, come on... 23:52:44 lament: i'm sure you have a modest proposal 23:53:21 modest and wholly virtuous 23:53:58 -!- olsner has joined. 23:55:18 wait -- am i missing something here 23:55:44 ehird: we shall swiftly remedy that 23:55:53 oerjan: ugh. 23:56:00 oerjan, I think everyone in here is part of a hugh in-joke and I am totally dumb. 23:56:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal 23:56:23 :D 23:56:31 I suppose a baby taken to term can feed more than a fetus, but fetuses are SO TASTY. 23:56:32 I love that essay. 23:56:58 oerjan, Yes -- but the original message does not seem to tie in. 23:57:16 Was it satirical as well? 23:57:21 Very. 23:57:26 :p 23:57:29 GregorR, Do not put the fetus in the mouth 23:57:30 -!- Iskr has quit ("Leaving"). 23:57:33 GregorR: but there's other things you can do with a baby! 23:57:38 pikhq, Oh duh. 23:57:41 ehird: Do not put the baby in the essay. 23:57:41 I am totally retarded. 23:57:46 But my brain has been offline for all of today! 23:57:54 http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Mouth 23:58:02 GregorR, that was my joke 23:58:47 I'm afraid he beat you to it. 23:58:56 pikhq, I meant -- my joke was based on that he owns that site. 23:59:12 Incidentally, I haven't had any new submissions in a while >_> 23:59:25 GregorR, Do not put the baby in the cron job 23:59:32 DO NOT PUT THE BABY IN THE DO NOT PUT THE BABY SITE.