00:00:04 so, who here is made out of chicken 00:04:37 Not I. 00:04:53 I am 00:04:56 and I am playing with squeak 00:04:58 Smalltalk is love 00:05:48 -!- vixey has joined. 00:20:17 -!- Deformative has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:20:55 -!- Deformative has joined. 00:29:00 -!- timotiis has quit ("leaving"). 00:46:57 -!- Deformative has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 00:47:39 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:49:38 -!- Deformative has joined. 00:59:24 Deewiant, minor issue, you know if fungus? while it is not as extensive as mycology I notice ccbi segfaults on it 00:59:28 Loading module stackstack 00:59:29 Loading module finghrti 00:59:29 Segmentation fault 00:59:57 (while mine get into an infinite loop) 01:00:01 AnMaster: He knows of fungus. 01:00:09 It's what made him write Mycology. It's bad. 01:00:12 ehird, yep 01:00:21 but interpreter should still not segfault on it 01:00:24 hardly 01:00:26 its broken iirc 01:00:27 that is the thing I like to point out 01:00:41 and his binary is stripped 01:00:52 (gdb) bt 01:00:52 #0 0x080c4af7 in ?? () 01:00:52 #1 0x08109990 in ?? () 01:00:52 ...... 01:00:52 #5 0x00000000 in ?? () 01:01:14 ehird, point is anything but sefault is fine 01:01:23 interpreter should never segfault or assert imo 01:01:31 infinite loop? sure, it's fine 01:01:54 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving"). 01:10:17 AnMaster: you know what I want? 01:10:19 inline structures 01:13:48 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 01:14:53 howdy folks 01:15:15 hi 01:15:23 'sup, vixey? 01:16:34 I just returned from the NMU programming competition- great fun 01:16:53 how did it go? 01:17:06 my team did pretty well- 4th place out of about 20 teams 01:17:32 Yo. 01:17:33 we all got T-shirts and free food, so I'll chalk it up as a win. :) 01:17:36 hey, pikhq 01:18:07 Been a while. 01:18:23 yeah, school is getting pretty crazy on my end 01:18:34 I spent the past week with family. 01:18:50 So, not been on much. ;) 01:19:39 it's looking like I'll spend the summer taking more classes at MTU- so far I've lined up Coding Theory, an art class and a course on technical writing. 01:21:12 vixey: are you new here, or have I been completely out of it? 01:23:27 new, afaik 01:24:25 ah, well then, welcome to this festering hive of insanity and highly intellectual ranting 01:25:51 -!- RedDak has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:30:01 just in case anyone was wondering.. 01:30:09 cpp supports circular header definitions, and gets them right. 01:30:09 wow. 01:30:24 nifty 01:30:32 I shudder to consider how you determined this 01:30:40 RodgerTheGreat: You don't wanna know. 01:30:48 However, I'll tell you anyway. 01:30:50 ok 01:32:44 schream/value.h includes the definition of scm_tag. A scm_tag (which is the structure identifying the tag for a specific type of object) has a name (i.e. for integers it's 'integer'). This name is of the type I use to represent strings (contains length, allocated, and the string) - (scm_string *), defined in schream/string.h. But scm_string's are valid objects too, and string.h defines a scm_tag for them, so it needs to include the header file defining 01:32:44 scm_tag... schream/value.h 01:32:53 RodgerTheGreat: Amazingly, cpp figures out what I mean and terminates. 01:33:08 Amazing 01:47:40 so, what's everyone up to this evening? 01:47:53 coding this 01:47:53 ;) 01:47:55 Getting a laptop to run Gentoo. 01:47:57 and it's 00:47 01:48:06 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 01:48:10 wishing I could think of something good to code.. 01:48:19 I kinda feel like coding something, but I don't have any immediate goals 01:48:37 vixey: embed prolog into $LANGUAGE 01:48:44 I have a couple ideas for new game projects, but nothing that I think I can just slam out in an evening 01:49:11 vixey: what language(s) do you use? 01:49:20 that might suggest appropriate applications 01:50:01 I'll use anything 01:50:41 hm. well, that doesn't narrow things down much. 01:50:56 vixey: Delphi? APL? 01:51:03 Java? PHP? 01:51:18 RodgerTheGreat: Actually I was suggesting languages I expect vixey would not in fact code in. 01:51:29 oh 01:51:35 I doubt your two were in the same vein, but I agree! :) 01:52:19 then I'll put votes in for Rails and TinyBASIC 01:52:53 Rails as in the one on the gem? 01:53:03 RoR certainly isn't a language. 01:53:15 Ruby is, though. And Rails happens to be a rather badly designed framework built on top of Ruby. 01:53:40 Rails adds untold horror to an already hideous language 01:54:06 and coding a non-web2.0 app actually *using* rails could be pretty hilariously painful 01:54:19 RodgerTheGreat: Ruby is not a hideous language 01:54:40 I have heard that from many people and their reasons were all flimsy. Starting to hate Ruby is becoming 'hip' right now and a lot of them just went with the interblags.. 01:54:56 Also, here's something horrific: the term 'web2.0' 01:55:17 -!- slereah_ has joined. 01:55:54 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:56:02 wb slereah_ 01:56:20 (And there is silence!) 01:56:32 Thanks. 02:04:06 this is a rather interesting idea: http://www.ansible.co.uk/writing/c-b-faq.html 02:05:51 RodgerTheGreat: i didn't realise it was a parody until near the end 02:05:52 /sigh 02:06:25 hey, it's fiction, but thought-provoking fiction nonetheless 02:06:47 It's old :o 02:07:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif_of_harmful_sensation 02:07:57 I would like to see that 'parrot' distortion. 02:08:10 I would gradually undistort it. :p 02:11:00 ehird: I have an image- one sec 02:11:30 found this a while back, saved it because it was neat: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1206839450-d66c44db02a18598796ea18e5504d0fdde567d69.jpg 02:13:27 RodgerTheGreat: haha, wow 02:13:31 is there an undistorted version? ;) 02:13:36 har har 02:13:39 however, that picture does look like the kind of thing that would break the brain though 02:15:53 RodgerTheGreat: Is it specified what kind of distortion is in that? 02:16:04 -!- ihope has joined. 02:16:05 oh wait 02:16:10 that purports to BE the undistorted version 02:16:16 if you read the text 02:16:21 well, bye all, i had fun ;) 02:16:32 cya 02:17:07 that was a joke, RodgerTheGreat 02:17:08 :p 02:19:03 ? 02:19:14 oh, presuming the parrot would kill you 02:20:03 RodgerTheGreat: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm 02:20:11 that seems to be what that thing draws off 02:20:32 neat 02:20:36 * RodgerTheGreat reads 02:22:48 actually, if the Parrot ever came into existance that'd be the one time i'd argue for complete government opaquity and censorship 02:22:49 ;) 02:23:03 however, that seems pretty unlikely to me 02:23:05 so my ideals are safe 02:23:43 -!- slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:24:08 -!- slereah_ has joined. 02:24:19 funniest joke in the world trumps the parrot 02:24:42 vixey: haha- yeah, that was a great sketch 02:24:47 vixey: except that the parrot is legitimately scary ;) 02:24:49 parallels i'd say 02:24:57 RodgerTheGreat: do you know how this - http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1206839450-d66c44db02a18598796ea18e5504d0fdde567d69.jpg - was made? 02:25:05 manually by a human? or some kind of algorithm? 02:25:10 nope, I just found it on an image board somewhere 02:25:26 looks like someone took fractal render into some image program.. 02:27:57 this kind of stuff is one of the few themes in horror fiction that actually scares me 02:27:59 :p 02:28:03 (and even then only marginally) 02:28:08 most of the other stuff is just tacky 02:28:23 but then the brain is one of the most interesting things i know of :) 02:28:49 I think it's just enough on the edge of something that sounds possible to get you paranoid 02:30:01 yeah 02:30:22 and if it was real, then it'd be *highly* scary, of course 02:30:53 i would imagine the suicides from people reading about them and becoming paranoid might exceed the rate of deaths from the image itself 02:31:06 (another analogy in comedy: Boite diabolique) 02:32:51 it seems this can be either really, really funny or scary 02:41:36 http://reddit.com/info/6dw0m/comments/ reddit'd 02:59:14 http://www.ansible.co.uk/writing/t3_002.html 03:00:47 RodgerTheGreat: same guy who did the faq & wrote that original story 03:01:29 yes 03:01:41 that's why I thought it would be a good link 03:04:02 RodgerTheGreat: it references geb 03:04:03 so ++ 03:24:50 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:43:05 -!- ehird has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 04:12:03 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:14:11 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:33:31 -!- Judofyr has quit. 04:39:50 -!- shinkuzin has joined. 04:44:04 -!- shinkuzin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:47:56 -!- shinkuzin has joined. 06:48:08 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit. 07:08:53 -!- shinkuzin has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:10:50 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:28:12 -!- spal has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:24:43 -!- spal has quit ("Leaving."). 09:25:42 -!- Sukoshi has joined. 09:35:09 hi Sukoshi 09:35:16 Heya. 09:35:34 how is the nomic stuff going (if it is)? 09:36:02 It's not :( 09:36:05 Windows Vista is going :( 09:36:11 Make that last one a :((( 09:36:22 aww 09:36:37 * vixey sends you a get well soon card 09:37:01 Objectively speaking, Vista is a leg up from XP. It's more UNIX-like. 09:53:17 -!- RedDak has joined. 10:07:48 -!- RedDak has quit ("Killed (NickServ (Comando GHOST usato da DIO))"). 10:57:31 -!- Sukoshi` has joined. 11:12:58 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:21:02 AnMaster: yay, that thing with fungus is a compiler bug in GDC 11:21:29 Deewiant, oh nice to find 11:22:05 AnMaster: already been reported in november 11:22:20 no one fixed it since then!? 11:22:48 GDC development appears to have slowed down 11:23:00 I don't really follow what's going on with it myself 11:23:22 it might be fixed in the latest SVN 11:23:42 but I doubt it, since the bug isn't closed 11:24:08 AnMaster: the problem is there's only one author, apparently, and he doesn't interact that much with others 11:24:31 -!- Sukoshi has quit (Connection timed out). 11:24:33 mhm 11:24:34 I could work around the bug but I think I'll just compile with DMD instead 11:47:34 -!- Judofyr has joined. 11:59:27 Deewiant, I must have an old ccbi version because it says BAD: J doesn't set delta 11:59:33 for SUBR 11:59:42 Deewiant, where is your current binary? 11:59:49 * AnMaster can't find url 11:59:57 it's being uploaded 12:00:52 iki.fi/deewiant 12:02:12 odd, looks like number of env variables differs 12:02:26 * AnMaster goes to cut them out and sort them to make it possible to compare 12:04:53 Deewiant, http://pastebin.ca/963235 <-- interesting 12:05:40 Deewiant, seems like ccbi add a env variable there, that is two spaces and is equal to the full path to the interpreter binary? 12:05:47 err three spaces 12:07:58 doesn't do it here with y, at least 12:08:33 ah, no, yes it does 12:08:36 looks like a DMD quirk 12:09:14 yep, only the DMD-compiled binary does it 12:09:22 food now -> 12:10:22 Deewiant, so compile part with gdc and other part with dmd? ;) 12:11:08 Deewiant, still says "BAD J doesn't set delta" for ccbi. huh 12:28:14 AnMaster: won't link together 12:28:22 singe GDC doesn't respect the D calling convention 12:28:51 hm ok 12:28:59 and J works here just fine 12:29:17 odd, maybe my hg checkout is outdated? 12:29:28 of mycology 12:29:41 doubtful 12:29:59 what does hg identify say 12:30:48 7450b1fdaa5d+ tip 12:31:41 Deewiant, also how do I switch upstream in mercurial now again to point to that domain name instead directly to the ip (and what was the domain name now again?) 12:32:07 that won't help you since I don't keep the server running :-P 12:32:56 ah 12:33:42 and that's the latest myco 12:33:56 hm... it seems fungus detect a difference that myco doesn't 12:34:00 with file loading 12:34:14 because cfunge enters an infinite loop in fungus 12:34:33 but not on any specific module 12:35:15 fungus uses o in a way that myco doesn't, at least 12:35:18 not sure about i 12:36:26 http://pastebin.ca/963248 12:36:31 that is at same point 12:36:34 just after first i 12:36:37 differs a bit 12:37:53 oh wait, it loaded negative? 12:38:01 hm no 12:41:08 AnMaster: the J thing was a myco bug 12:41:23 hm? 12:41:27 you said it worked for you? 12:41:27 pull from tar.us.to:8000 if you want 12:41:38 AnMaster: that was against old myco, my bad 12:42:57 oh wait i wasn't wrong, something else is up 12:43:05 Deewiant, sure a sec will pull 12:45:21 v▒22▒▒ 12:45:21 X 12:45:21 > 091+v 12:45:30 vs. 12:45:31 v▒22▒▒ X 12:45:31 > 091+v 12:45:34 hm 12:47:07 -!- atsampso1 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:47:16 Deewiant, that is just after loading fspace 12:47:21 that is the actual first difference 12:47:31 I wonder what this is that mycology doesn't test 12:47:55 -!- atsampson has joined. 12:48:02 -!- atsampso1 has joined. 12:48:08 -!- atsampso1 has quit (Client Quit). 13:00:56 Deewiant, in D what is "static if"? 13:01:17 compile-time if 13:01:22 hm 13:01:24 kind of like #ifdef but better 13:01:36 "static if (needBegX) {" depends on from where it is called 13:01:39 or more like #if rather 13:01:45 so that means two versions will be output? 13:01:48 of the routine 13:01:50 ye 13:01:55 mhm 13:09:05 Deewiant, what I don't understand is the way ccbi loads the fspace module in fungus 13:09:07 that is: 13:09:16 v▒22▒▒ 13:09:16 X 13:09:16 > 091+v 13:09:33 to me it seems like the X should end up on first line 13:10:25 I can't single step through the ccbi file loading code and I can't see what in the file loading code causes it to be loaded with the X on the second line 13:10:52 assuming the output from area is correct? 13:12:31 it might not be 13:13:01 hm 13:13:17 especially if it has to output binary 13:13:32 you know, if the value at (0,0) is 10 for instance 13:13:37 then it'll output a line break there 13:14:18 AnMaster: yep, (7,0) is 10 13:14:44 and (16,0) is the X 13:14:50 so it is on the first line 13:14:56 the display is just messed up because of the NL 13:16:22 hm 13:17:29 * AnMaster again wish for a way to make ccbi output each instruction as it is executed so he can compare 14:46:01 -!- timotiis has joined. 14:59:45 -!- vixey has quit ("Leaving"). 15:16:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:22:12 -!- Judofyr has quit. 15:32:45 -!- ais523 has quit ("switching to a client that doesn't require me to type in PONGs by hand, because I'll be doing something else for a while"). 15:33:26 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:02:35 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:03:53 -!- timotiis_ has joined. 16:09:09 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:16:26 -!- ihope has joined. 16:17:21 ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAAB! 16:17:25 Ello. 16:18:29 Hello sir. 16:19:52 -!- timotiis_ has changed nick to timotiis. 16:21:20 -!- wildhalcyon has joined. 16:21:35 hola 16:22:03 hai 16:22:13 What you up to slereah? 16:24:06 not much. 16:24:22 You? 16:26:25 Work's been draggin me down a lot 16:27:07 Keeping me from my project(s) 16:28:22 -!- ehird has joined. 16:29:35 i just had a great idea 16:29:42 set that Parrot image to Never Gonna Give You Up 16:29:46 put it on youtube as Basiliskroll 16:29:54 kill everyone 16:30:01 ..., profit 16:30:43 I see a flaw in your plan 16:30:46 Rick Astley 16:31:16 wildhalcyon: But if I removed Rick Astley it wouldn't be Basiliskroll :( 16:31:37 more specifically ZOMBIE Rick Astley. The dude said, "NEVER gonna give you up" 16:32:07 you kill Rick Astley with a Basiliskroll and you've got some real trouble on your hands 16:32:22 It wouldn't work. 16:32:32 For Never gonna give you up is a life giver. 16:32:40 It has been shown to cure terminal cancer patients. 16:34:07 are you sure? I thought they did a study that showed Rickrolling to be HIGHLY carcinogenic? 16:34:07 wildhalcyon: well, once Never Gonna Give You Up became untrue, everyone would die 16:34:09 of shock 16:34:30 Well... that may be the case. 16:34:58 But there's no way I'll be falling for a basiliskroll. I've got some neighborhood kids I've hired to watch all youtube links. You know... just in case. 16:35:25 Well, once they see it and die, you won't be able to check further ones 16:35:39 Here's basically the mission plan of how that would work: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1206839450-d66c44db02a18598796ea18e5504d0fdde567d69.jpg 16:35:41 Just hire some new ones. 16:36:06 ihope: But when they're all gone... http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1206839450-d66c44db02a18598796ea18e5504d0fdde567d69.jpg explains that 16:36:59 What are those fractals, anyway? 16:37:01 oh, I thought the action was immediate. 16:37:23 wildhalcyon: it depends 16:37:28 the original BLIT has it to be pretty much immediate 16:37:32 however 16:37:39 in BLIT, the main character sees it under protection 16:37:50 but eventually submits to it because it had infected his brain due to long exposure 16:37:58 & that was not immediate 16:38:13 it would seem the immediateness is canon, but i find the delayed idea interesting too 16:38:23 ihope: I think it's some fractal edited 16:38:31 But hah, now you're both fscked. 16:38:41 :-P 16:38:50 Looks to me like just two fractals superimposed. 16:38:58 Created in UltraFractal, perhaps. 16:39:12 No that parrot looks like it was made that way 16:39:23 it fits the BLIT description almost perfectly (jagged parrot salami) 16:39:47 Ah. 16:40:53 oh, and http://www.old-computer-mags.com/Magazine/Your%20Sinclair%20N.23/Your%20Sinclair%20N.23.htm 16:49:08 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 17:05:16 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:25:37 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 17:25:51 hello everyone 17:27:51 Hulo 17:32:48 RodgerTheGreat: hello 17:32:53 how's it going, slereah_, ais523? 17:33:04 * ais523 has been implementing INTERCAL all week 17:33:14 cool- in what language? 17:33:16 hmm... I nearly typed @ical{} rather than INTERCAL then 17:33:20 RodgerTheGreat: C 17:33:26 I maintain C-INTERCAL, an INTERCAL-to-C compiler 17:33:44 I wasn't aware of that- neat 17:33:45 and I've been implementing new features in an attempt to do catchup with CLC-INTERCAL and to add some new things 17:33:56 ais523: awesome 17:33:56 RodgerTheGreat: sudo apt-get install intercal on Debian 17:34:19 or http://intercal.freeshell.org is the home page for both of the main INTERCAL implementations 17:34:31 think that package is available on Darwinports/Macports? 17:34:51 RodgerTheGreat: I don't know, but it isn't all that popular so I doubt it 17:35:02 :( 17:36:48 it is designed to be portable, though 17:36:58 except that some of the newer features require gcc 17:37:21 (the INTERCAL to C link code requires gcc because I hook into the compiler between its preprocessing and compilation stages 17:37:34 and therefore have to use strange gcc command-line args like -x) 17:38:19 I spent ages on the autoconf script a couple of versions ago, so I'd be interested to know how well ./config.sh && make && sudo make install goes 17:38:38 but I know how much of a pain it is to get gcc installed on a Mac (I watched a friend do it once), so you might not want to bother 17:43:27 ais523: gcc is trivial on a mac 17:43:30 1. put in cd 17:43:36 2. select developer tools 17:43:38 3. hit next a few times 17:43:42 4. there is not step 4 17:43:57 ehird: ah, they were trying to do it downloading things from some Apple developer thing over the Internet 17:44:08 they got it working, but it took about an hour 17:44:12 including manually editing various things 17:45:47 wtf? 17:46:12 it's really pretty straightforward 17:46:17 I think part of the trouble may have been that they were trying to install other things at the same time 17:46:27 or maybe they got an unstable release or something by mistake 17:46:45 never mind, anyway, if it's easy then that's one less hurdle 17:49:04 it's really pretty funny how many "developer tools" come with macs out of the box- the full JDK, python, perl, ruby, vi and nano, tons of the usual unix utilities, etc 17:50:40 yes, and pretty ironic how you have to install them on some Linux distributions nowadays 17:51:00 (for instance Ubuntu is missing all the C header files unless you specifically request them) 17:54:17 I think it meshes with Apple's main goal for the "out of box experience"- yeah, OSX comes with a ton of drivers and things you probably don't need, but by preinstalling them nearly everything "just works" when you plug it in. 17:55:27 RodgerTheGreat: agreed. At least Ubuntu does that with drivers, and I suppose the no header files thing is for much the same reason as burying the command line in the menus 17:56:35 in general, I think Apple has struck a good balance between making things user-friendly and avoiding "dumbing down" the unix environment for people who want to use it. 17:57:25 so, are you going to try to install C-INTERCAL, then? 17:58:34 ais523: i think i did c-intercal on os x once 17:58:47 I might 17:58:51 ehird: It's changed a lot since then, unless you did it recently 17:59:25 I redid the build system for version 0.27 17:59:55 hmm... pity oerjan isn't here, I found a bug in his INTERCAL Unlambda interpreter that was masked by a bug in the compiler itself 18:00:12 and when I fixed the compiler bug, I had to fix the Unlambda interp too 18:01:42 This is madness. 18:02:22 slereah_: what is madness? 18:02:35 INTERCAL unlambda 18:02:55 slereah_: it works! 18:03:04 But it is madness :o 18:03:19 although it must have been doubly difficult for oerjan to write, it served as a useful test case for the new comment-handling system 18:03:26 Then again, my first version of Lazy Bird was tried on the Love Machine 9000 18:03:29 because oerjan likes to vary styles of commens a lot 18:03:30 ais523: maybe you should write a build system in 5 lines of perl 18:03:31 ;) 18:03:31 It didn't work though 18:03:35 s/commens/comments/ 18:03:42 ehird: they'd have to be long lines 18:03:55 because there are so many files to sort out and put into various places 18:04:08 a C-INTERCAL build system golf would be an interesting challenge, though 18:08:33 -!- oklopol has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:08:48 -!- okopol has joined. 18:09:44 okopol: you've dropped the l again 18:10:19 hopefully it isn't with oerjan again, or there'll be a longer wait before you get it back this time because you'll have to wait for them to be online 18:10:31 ais523: makeit glob 18:10:31 :D 18:10:42 as far as the 'what if files are missing' 18:10:44 make it check the web 18:10:46 for a file list 18:10:48 no, not web 18:10:48 ehird: the dependencies don't follow a pattern 18:10:49 something p2p 18:10:53 no single point of failure 18:10:54 :D 18:10:59 ais523: analyze the header includes, duhh 18:11:05 and I often install C-INTERCAL on a computer that isn't connected to the internet 18:11:18 ehird: that's dependencies on header files 18:11:26 the object files connect together in more than one way 18:11:37 so some global variables are used just to transmit which files are connected 18:11:50 and as another example, some data files can be read on disk or compiled into the program 18:12:09 and which method is used depends on whether you're compiling convickt (a command-line utility) or libick.a (a library) 18:13:41 ok, um 18:13:47 grab the dependencies from the p2p 18:13:48 actually 18:13:55 just load a perl file from the web and eval() 18:13:58 one line build system 18:13:59 ;) 18:14:12 ehird: very abusable 18:14:20 ais523: oh shush 18:14:21 :D 18:14:26 and I do not have Internet access ususally when building C-INTERCAL 18:14:34 s/ususally/usually/ 18:14:51 the Windows computer that I test the DOS build on doesn't have Internet access ever 18:15:29 'java for smalltalk programmers': the saddest title article i've seen all day 18:16:01 ehird: that's a pretty bad title 18:16:10 reversing the language names would make some kind of sense 18:16:34 ais523: If you reverse it I don't want to work with any resulting programs 18:16:35 :) 18:16:48 ehird: agreed 18:17:01 it seems sad that someone knows enough smalltalk to know how to tell people how to switch from it to java, and yet still reccomends doing so 18:19:28