" 2 + 2 = " (+ 2 2)> < 1200415738 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1200416202 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm crazy < 1200416300 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me slightly of markaby. < 1200416303 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div.AAAAAH! { strong 'Evil HTML lisp sez'; text "2 + 2 = #{2+2}" } < 1200416324 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markaby wasn't the first html generation tool you know < 1200416572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: did you read the stuff about [] and {} < 1200416581 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I challenge you: decipher (def acc [{++ _}])! < 1200416888 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. you've already said what it was < 1200416898 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I supposed to decipher how it works? < 1200416917 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i guess, thouigh if you read that then it miught be easier < 1200416932 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, decipher how it works... ifyou know ruby give me ruby code that is 100% equiv. or something :P < 1200416937 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that hard once you get the basic principles < 1200417050 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200417100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello faxathisia < 1200417112 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiya < 1200417413 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: my lisp is even more heretiacl now < 1200417417 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let (a 2 b 3) ...) < 1200417422 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cond (eq a b) "stuff" (eq b c) "blah") < 1200417434 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair mccarthy *did* say he thought he got cond wrong: too many parens < 1200417460 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o... I never heard that < 1200417465 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1200417499 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO let suffers from the same problem < 1200417516 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens are simply not needed and make the code uglier < 1200417541 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1200417554 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what < 1200417582 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y not just have all lets imlicitly letrecs < 1200417685 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, that's ridiculous. < 1200417716 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (letrec ((a a)) a) < 1200417722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> some internal value < 1200417733 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (let ((a a)) a) < 1200417733 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: unbound variable: a < 1200417737 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chicken Scheme) < 1200418096 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: that's why < 1200418477 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: actually, both of those are just like arc < 1200418488 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, your heresies < 1200418511 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: even if arc didn't do it, i would < 1200418521 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens to be a good idea outside of arc [which sucks[ < 1200418528 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, why? < 1200418533 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used arc? < 1200418569 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. its mostly hype, not that much new 2. a lot of the new things are unneeded and: 3. impure and unclean, inelegant < 1200418598 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gains conciseness at the cost of readbility and purity. < 1200418674 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a bit of irony < 1200418680 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go on about how arc concentrates on web apps < 1200418689 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet < 1200418690 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're trying to make something for the long term in Arc, something that will be useful to people in, say, 100 years. (If that sounds crazy, remember that we're already up to 40.) " < 1200418704 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess web apps will still be The Hot Thing in 100 years. < 1200418761 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By then, the web will be nothing but robot porn. < 1200418825 0 :tesseracter!n=tesserac@pool-72-79-240-131.spfdma.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200418835 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's even still in much use < 1200418841 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be reduced to usenet-like status < 1200418931 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be like in "Beneath a steel sky", nothing but cheap abstract 3D shapes and epic battles for datas! < 1200418936 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I personally think my lisp is nicer-looking, has the possibility to be much more concise, and is just plain better < 1200418951 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah__: we'll be in 4d by then. (Great game, btw.) < 1200418972 0 :tesseracter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? someone say something about 4D? < 1200418981 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1200418983 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing. < 1200418993 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EX-TER-MI-NA-TION! < 1200419007 0 :tesseracter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which game) < 1200419013 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ending was a little disappointing though < 1200419018 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beneath a steel sky < 1200419047 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a man named after a beer brand battles the evil empire < 1200419049 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got to the end < 1200419051 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1200419060 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That game rules! < 1200419128 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200419133 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My game of life is currently a GAME OF DEATH :O < 1200419142 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: there's such a hive mind in #esoteric < 1200419164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when there's too much exceptions and list index. < 1200419165 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the majority of the time we just agree with each other ;) < 1200420273 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it works for all 4-cell combinaison! < 1200420403 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** transform thusly, is it okay? http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Life.png < 1200420481 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Doesn't seem to be. < 1200420497 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to rotate or something apparently < 1200420610 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to think that the three cells got 2, 4 and 2 neighbours. < 1200420612 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1200420967 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a noding system like everything2, except esoteric somehow < 1200421226 0 :ais523!n=ais523@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200421239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morethaneverything? < 1200421244 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1200421249 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, technology wise < 1200421284 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although morethaneverything would not be a bad idea, it seems: see http://qntm.org/?e2code, telling of the horrible mess that apparently is the e2 code... all changes made live with no backup! yeek!) < 1200421564 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And, actually, the more you can avoid programming in C the more productive you will be." < 1200421565 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200421578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're writing < 1200421615 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1200421638 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write the Love Machine 9000 on something efficient one day < 1200421649 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well. < 1200421746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever see Perligata? < 1200421774 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1200421790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an esoteric syntax for Perl based on Latin < 1200421811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shares the same property that it's usually possible to reorder the words in a statement and the new statement has the same meaning < 1200421913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... I've been given a program to run which does something easily achievable by standard Unix tools < 1200421920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's trying to sort a linked list using bubble sort < 1200421930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which on the size of the data set I'm using is taking a while < 1200421969 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200421982 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recommends merge sort for linked lists
< 1200421988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it in brainfuck. then you can say, "I rewrote the program in Brainfuck and it got 3 times faster." Maybe. < 1200421997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've set it running and I'm racing it to try to beet it with a command line tool < 1200422001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while typing on IRC at the same time < 1200422003 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is O(n lg n), unlike quicksort on arrays < 1200422106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat it easily < 1200422121 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting commandline? < 1200422141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to copy-paste it
< 1200422151 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select, middle-click? < 1200422176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr ' ' '(newline)' < (filename) | sed -e 's/^[^a-zA-Z0-9]+//; s/[^a-zA-Z0-9]+$//;' | sort | uniq -c | sort > (filename) < 1200422187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a while because I was trying to deal with the newline < 1200422197 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200422202 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n would have worked, I think < 1200422208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tcsh? < 1200422218 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1200422220 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :csh < 1200422229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the default on this server < 1200422234 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1200422247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts the frequencies of words in a file < 1200422257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with an unusual definition of word, hence the sedery < 1200422292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the original's finished now < 1200422301 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: "tcsh"/"it's the default on this server"/"what does it do?" < 1200422302 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck. < 1200422303 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200422312 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes run programs too, apparently < 1200422334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like a version of sh modified to be 'user-friendly' < 1200422349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do any more than a small number of redirections < 1200422360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to rm a file before you can pipe output to it, unless you're appending < 1200422365 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what csh is < 1200422370 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a sh derivative, much. < 1200422378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, when I said that the original program had ended, I was wrong < 1200422379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basically a u seless toy < 1200422390 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort | uniq is often wrong. check out sort -u < 1200422397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that, it had ended after all < 1200422397 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are an INTERCAL programmer, right? < 1200422406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I was using uniq for the line count < 1200422410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: yes < 1200422420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the current C-INTERCAL upstream maintainer < 1200422421 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how feasable would you say an INTERCAL self-compiler would be? :-) < 1200422422 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1200422439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: it depends on definition and which language extensions you allow < 1200422453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CLC-INTERCAL compiler is written in a set of extensions that are added to the language itself < 1200422458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a self-compiler, in some sense < 1200422469 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, definition being something basically like C-INTERCAL. But written in INTERCAL, of course... well, it could compile to anything 'real' (C, native code, asm, ...) < 1200422478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the commands used to write the compiler are entirely disjoint from the ones used to write programs < 1200422480 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language extensions: I guess C-INTERCAL, since it's the most common afaik < 1200422495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL: 33 users. CLC-INTERCAL: 5 users. < 1200422502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL: 33 users. CLC-INTERCAL: 21 users, sorry < 1200422504 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular stuff ;) < 1200422507 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-compiling INTERCAL would instantly wreck the passtime of proposing new INTERCAL extensions < 1200422510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: Debian popularity contest < 1200422517 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: why? < 1200422526 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL is incompatible with CLC-INTERCAL, right? < 1200422529 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people CBA to implement them < 1200422532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same source says that 5 people actually use C-INTERCAL and 3 people use CLC-INTERCAL every now and then < 1200422534 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen 2 clc-intercal only programs, though, so... < 1200422545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not completely incompatible, especially in the most recent versions < 1200422556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is possible to write C-INTERCAL or CLC-INTERCAL-only programs < 1200422563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using language features that are in one but not the other < 1200422573 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there any overlapping features? < 1200422578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots < 1200422579 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say: most likely. < 1200422585 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and duplication of that sort is, yeah. < 1200422587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed COME FROM, basic operand overloading, etc. < 1200422596 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which would you say would be best as a 'pseudo standard'? < 1200422605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the C-INTERCAL documentation at intercal.freeshell.org < 1200422613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists portability for all the constructs in C-INTERCAL < 1200422629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pseudo standard is likely just INTERCAL-72 + noncomputed COME FROM < 1200422638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of the other features only exist in C- and CLC-INTERCAL < 1200422645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not J-INTERCAL < 1200422647 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes the enabling and disabling of statements for communication of parallel processes
< 1200422655 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what fun < 1200422672 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though COME FROM was in '72 < 1200422675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent ages writing that documentation, so it would be satisfying for me if lots of people read it < 1200422687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: no it wasn't, although as far as I could tell it was also invented in 1972 < 1200422692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wasn't added to INTERCAL until later < 1200422695 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, to start with: a self-compiling, no-extensions INTERCAL compiler < 1200422704 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that compiles to C, asm, native code, or some other similar 'real' target language. < 1200422712 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feasability= < 1200422723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without extensions a machine-translation from something like Brainfuck might be the best bet < 1200422734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: binary output is an extension :D < 1200422737 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was the kind of thing i was saying against, ais523 < 1200422741 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK fine with that :P < 1200422755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be too bad trying to do it directly, though, apart from the expression syntax and the fact that you have to allow character I/O somehow < 1200422771 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-intercal presumably has a char IO extension < 1200422773 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd say that < 1200422785 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ESR maintained C-intercal at one point, didn't he? < 1200422788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :character I/O is different in C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL, but both have command-line switches to use the other's semantics < 1200422789 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, CLC-Intercal! :P < 1200422792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: yes < 1200422799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was C-INTERCAL < 1200422806 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i meant < 1200422818 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> OK, let's take the char I/O for CLC-Intercal then ;) < 1200422829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baudot is a pain to deal with < 1200422835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that was the point < 1200422844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have to know in advance how long the lines can be < 1200422852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad dots? < 1200422859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that be braille < 1200422866 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: suggest a solution that fits neatly with my dislike of ESR and my dislike of THAT! < 1200422887 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200422901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could use one of CLC-INTERCAL's multithreading extensions to trap the error < 1200422910 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow, that's evil < 1200422916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to implement much the same error-trapping method in C-INTERCAL at some point, by the way < 1200422936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is that there's a variable * that holds the most recent error < 1200422949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an error kills the thread, so you have to receive it in some different thread < 1200422962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but reading from * when there hasn't been an error causes an error, so to trap the error you need three threads < 1200422973 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, assuming C-INTERCAL binary IO etc extensions, feasability= < 1200422980 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it must be able to compile itself still, obviously) < 1200422983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which contains the error you're trying to trap, one that errors out instantly to put a value in *, and one that does the trapping < 1200422991 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all the cintercal extensions presumably though < 1200422994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feasability=reasonable but a lot of work < 1200422998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to the expression syntax < 1200423028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I recently discovered an easy way for an INTERCAL program to tell which interpreter it's running under < 1200423050 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1200423054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGNORE a variable, STASH it, change its value, RETRIEVE it, save that value, then change the variable to a new value to test if it's read only < 1200423086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J-INTERCAL ignores the read-only flag on STASH or RETRIEVE, so the value STASHED is viewed twice < 1200423141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I meant STASH a variable, change its value, IGNORE it, RETRIEVE it, save that value, then change the variable to a new value to test if it's read only < 1200423150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so J-INTERCAL reads out the original value twice < 1200423157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL reads out the new value twice < 1200423167 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CLC? < 1200423178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CLC-INTERCAL reads out the new value, but the non-IGNOREd status is stashed along with the variable, so you get two different answers < 1200423194 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, there's a unlambda-in-intercal... < 1200423195 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about... < 1200423198 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL IN UNLAMBDA < 1200423199 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200423217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a decent way to write an expression parser in that either < 1200423225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some crazy corner cases < 1200423244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of which is specifically disallowed both by the INTERCAL-72 and C-INTERCAL documentation because it's such a pain to parse < 1200423255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore can be said to not be legal INTERCAL < 1200423267 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which case is that? < 1200423293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2~.3"".4 < 1200423302 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... nested quotes. < 1200423304 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/n < 1200423320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, nested quotes interacting with nested multidimensional arrays < 1200423335 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nested quotes even without N>1-d arrays? < 1200423336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2 is a legal statement < 1200423337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizzare < 1200423353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second set of ears have a different meaning in the two statements < 1200423367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there could be any number of characters that need to be read before it could determine which is which < 1200423396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, .1 <- ,3SUB",2SUB.1".2~.3".5".4 is truly ambiguous < 1200423408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as it's not fully grouped with sparks and ears, it's illegal anyway < 1200423429 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm: < 1200423441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when arrays aren't involved, it's possible to tell a begin quote from an end quote by checking which side of it the operator is on < 1200423456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the multidimensional array syntax looks like DO .1 <- .3SUB#4#5#6#7 < 1200423480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no operators that might work to disambiguate < 1200423495 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my abstraction eliminator will be interesting... < 1200423495 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``skk -> (\z. kz(kz)) -> (\z. z) < 1200424005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an interesting Underload optimiser, before I deleted it by mistake < 1200424009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be easy to recreate < 1200424026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you translated sii from Unlambda to Underload using the translations on the wiki < 1200424035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came out with (^:)^: < 1200424043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ```sii``sii < 1200424050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transformed to (^:)^: < 1200424550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that in most cases it doesn't matter whether evaluation is lazy or eager < 1200424589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you can partially evaluate code before it gets duplicated later < 1200424596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't run S commands by mistake < 1200425126 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, my underload to C compiler is broken. i've started a rewrite, but eh < 1200425133 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, its OK though, just a bug :-) < 1200425143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way does the bug manifest? < 1200425160 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure... take a look at the fibonacci program output < 1200425192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/*************(enough *s to break my terminal's display procedures...)SEGFAULT < 1200425217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what goes wrong to cause that to happen? < 1200425229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a problem with *, or :? < 1200425259 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm not sure < 1200425277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally dup was just pushing the same object instead of copying. but i fixed that, and it still happens < 1200425324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you paste the generated C somewhere so I could take a look? < 1200425675 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. it's highly ugly, written-quickly crap though < 1200425734 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/dXRULi17.html < 1200425779 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-prewritten stuff starts at: < 1200425782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void ul_func_0(void); < 1200425787 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ends at < 1200425790 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) { < 1200425895 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: side note: * can be made efficient in that by adding: < 1200425899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct _ul_obj *last; < 1200425901 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ul_obj < 1200425912 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then going straight ot that in * and updating it < 1200425921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking at the code right now
< 1200426009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that a : command isn't duplicating inner or cdr < 1200426024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't duplicate str either, but that isn't needed because the strings never change) < 1200426050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to work properly you'd need to recursively duplicate TOS, not just its car < 1200426153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall fix < 1200426331 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can get rid of cdr, and jus thave last < 1200426337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can't do anything with them < 1200426338 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're immutable < 1200426339 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1200426358 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1200426361 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul_call needs it ofc < 1200426365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without cdr you couldn't eval or print < 1200426377 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200426382 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, : will be slow < 1200426393 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it needs to copy all cdrs, right? < 1200426398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1200426408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a copy that isn't O(n) is impossible to achieve in general anyway < 1200426449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless copy-on-write semantics work, and they don't because of the possiblity of code like :(a)*~(b)* < 1200426472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, copy-on-write wouldn't prevent the copy for ever so it wouldn't speed up the program < 1200426574 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***zsh: segmentation fault ./blah < 1200426608 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pastes
< 1200426611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htf does it segfault? < 1200426619 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: intelligently. < 1200426625 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1200426637 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200426641 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies: < 1200426642 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/Wh5hpI14.html < 1200426649 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably have a dumb obvious error in ul_copy < 1200426770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the return statement is obviously in the wrong place, but I don't see why that would affect the code because you never use the return value < 1200426782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes i do < 1200426785 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes (food, bed, etc)
< 1200426789 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it->last = ul_copy(src->cdr, &it->cdr); < 1200426790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you do use the return value; that's why you get the segfault < 1200426800 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns the 'end' object < 1200426803 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that which ->cdr = null < 1200426811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if !src->cdr < 1200426819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you put it inside the else part of that if by mistake < 1200426819 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes < 1200426822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than after the if < 1200426822 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200426824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on purpose... < 1200426831 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the code < 1200426833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1200426834 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assign to ->last < 1200426842 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wants to be the object without a cdr, because its' the object at the end < 1200426847 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i return when ->cdr == NULL < 1200426866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, returning garbage is normally bad form which gcc will warn you about < 1200426873 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't garbage < 1200426874 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it retusn it < 1200426877 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not it->cdr < 1200426901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function returns garbage if it doesn't reach a return statement < 1200426904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all functions in C do < 1200426933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION senses a d'oh approaching soon...
< 1200426938 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh! < 1200426940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have a list of three elements < 1200426955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then last is set on the second element of the list not the first < 1200426972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if cdr isn't null, you want to return its last as the function's return value < 1200426984 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (src->cdr) { return (it->last = ul_copy(src->cdr, &it->cdr)); } < 1200426986 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks right to me < 1200426992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that before you said that heh < 1200426994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, shouldn't the last for a one-element list point to itself? < 1200427001 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200427003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could never append to it < 1200427004 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive structures + c scares me < 1200427006 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i can < 1200427009 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i check for null in append < 1200427013 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set that, and cdr < 1200427031 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1200427033 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1200427033 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1200427069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with those two corrections, hopefully it should work < 1200427103 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./blah < 1200427104 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zsh: bus error ./blah < 1200427110 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a trivial bug. < 1200427123 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in ul_concat() sez gdb < 1200427135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so likely last being wrong, in that case < 1200427143 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp = ul_pop(); tmp2 = ul_stack->top; tmp2->last->cdr = tmp; tmp2->last = tmp->last; < 1200427147 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bulk of ul_concat() ^^^ < 1200427152 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, most likely < 1200427157 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to search for ->last uses < 1200427167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has had similar problems trying to deal with the C-INTERCAL multithreader
< 1200427172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses similar sorts of lists < 1200427177 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1200427189 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (src->cdr) { return (it->last = ul_copy(src->cdr, &it->cdr)); } else { it->last = it; it->cdr = NULL; return it; } < 1200427191 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the new code < 1200427196 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1200427197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never set cdr < 1200427205 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1200427206 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I Do. < 1200427237 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :86 tmp2->last->cdr = tmp; < 1200427239 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the dying line < 1200427240 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not suprising < 1200427250 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) p tmp2->last < 1200427250 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = (struct _ul_obj *) 0x0 < 1200427268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200427268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1200427271 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an 'inner'-val < 1200427279 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i dont set ->last on, oops < 1200427305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say the same thing: line 26 in ul_push sets ->last to NULL rather than self < 1200427313 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200427313 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that < 1200427316 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fixed by now < 1200427317 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ul_wrap. < 1200427319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you special-cased taht < 1200427329 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the fib program runs crazy fast < 1200427340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it working now? < 1200427358 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horiz scrollbar on my terminal goes to the smallest it can as soon as the program starts < 1200427387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could pipe it through head, I suppose < 1200427394 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just saying, it's that fast < 1200427398 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also head works on lines :P < 1200427407 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh yeah, and this is with just "gcc blah.c -o blah" < 1200427409 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no optimization < 1200427409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head has an option to work on chars instead < 1200427416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not surprised by the speed < 1200427428 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled with -O2 now, i'm going to pipe it to a file for approx 10 secs then wc -c it < 1200427441 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. < 1200427442 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: segmentation fault ./blah > fibs < 1200427442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will have to make another try to write the Unlambda -> Underload compiler
< 1200427456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of memory or out of stack, maybe? < 1200427464 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack. < 1200427467 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised... < 1200427472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely out of stack with recursive calling on a ridiculously long list < 1200427472 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul_call is tail-recursive. < 1200427473 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ->fp < 1200427475 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can call ul_call < 1200427476 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1200427483 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, ul_call uses goto for ->cdr < 1200427491 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaics there is no solution... < 1200427497 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you NEED to retain the stack < 1200427500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more that ul_copy is unlikely to be tail-recursed by a C compiler < 1200427501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it contains useful stuff. < 1200427514 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ul_copy can't be tail-recursive < 1200427519 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1200427521 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to settle this < 1200427522 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GDB! < 1200427526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1200427541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the same code might be possible to write with a while loop if you made two passes < 1200427548 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess < 1200427552 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nearly as fast though... < 1200427556 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1200427557 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1200427559 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ul_copy < 1200427561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursing for inner, because that grows slower than cdr < 1200427568 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just typed 'bt' and for many seconds i've been getting ul_copy stack frames < 1200427571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using iteration for cdr < 1200427575 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over and over and over and over and over and over and over.............. < 1200427583 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can i make both iterative? < 1200427592 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 40000 so far < 1200427593 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1200427600 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50000 < 1200427605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some way, but I can't figure it out in my head in a few minutes < 1200427625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be inefficient without an uncdr link that pointed the other way < 1200427631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1200427640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could iterate once setting cdrs and finding out last < 1200427647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then iterate a second time setting last all along the list < 1200427663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, last doesn't matter except at the start of the list, so you'd only have to set it there < 1200427682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing inner recursively would be harder < 1200427719 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 130998 frames of ul_copy < 1200427722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think whatever it takse i need iterative < 1200427743 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if you think of a way to do both without recursing... < 1200427754 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ul_call without recursing would be nice... wait... i guess i could do TCO < 1200427760 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there many tail calls in unlambda? < 1200427774 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are they very literal: last command in (...) is ^? < 1200427775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```sii``sii is tail recursive < 1200427782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in real programs liek the fibonacci < 1200427785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most loops work with the same principle < 1200427789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^ is always the last command < 1200427790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTEREME TAIL RECURSION < 1200427794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or almost always < 1200427803 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200427805 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDERLOAD < 1200427806 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDERLOAD < 1200427821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write loops with (blah):^ normally < 1200427825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such loops are tail recursive < 1200427835 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ((hi)S):^S < 1200427838 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produces: < 1200427840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi(hi)S < 1200427852 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even fib has non-tail-call < 1200427853 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them < 1200427854 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:(/)S^):^ < 1200427869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the ^ is often used for non-looping purposes < 1200427880 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if i just keep my own stack, it'll be little more efficient than a good interp < 1200427881 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1200427884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it's used to split the top stack element from ((abc)(def)) to two elements (abc) and (def) < 1200427895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keeping your own stack is likely to be the only option in some cases < 1200427905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the original program may not be written in a tail-recursive way < 1200427908 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't even be fast < 1200427920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, when the original programmer runs out of stack space, you can then blame it on them < 1200427923 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be about as good as a c interpreter.. < 1200427942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible without maintaining your own function stack in most cases < 1200427996 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but don't you agree about the speed thiing? < 1200428005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed is important < 1200428008 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1200428019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think ul_eval will run out of stack long after ul_copy does < 1200428023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping my own stack will be bsically the same speed as a c interp < 1200428030 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then < 1200428032 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its ul_call < 1200428036 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no eval happens! :) < 1200428073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a pointer to the cdr of whatever you're calling, then you can append it to the thing you call rather than its original location and make ul_call tail-recursive that way < 1200428079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, it's a little hard to work out the details < 1200428105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :append will just set cdr though < 1200428128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't append to a program while it's running, so the problem never comes up < 1200428132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1200428148 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really understand < 1200428156 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's a problem ais523 < 1200428161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1200428166 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i want to optimize tailcalls < 1200428169 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to either: < 1200428171 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. do stack smashing < 1200428177 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. use goto labels and keep my own stack for non-tailcalls < 1200428179 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is feasable < 1200428183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setjmp! < 1200428184 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you love C for not having tailcalls? < 1200428190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm too much of a fan of setjmp < 1200428195 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setjmp won't work for it < 1200428213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the usual way to tail-recurse in C is to goto the start of the function rather than calling it < 1200428222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after setting all the args to the right values < 1200428237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of return myself(a1,b1,c1); < 1200428245 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tail calls don't have to be to the same functions < 1200428247 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's TAIL RECURSION < 1200428250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do a=a1; b=b1; c=c1; goto myself_top < 1200428262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was giving a description of tail-recursion < 1200428265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :general tail-calls are harder < 1200428271 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea, actually < 1200428278 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have one dispatcher function, underload() < 1200428281 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have it like this: < 1200428304 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, il'l take an example program < 1200428307 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:^):^ < 1200428309 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's: < 1200428311 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underload(): < 1200428349 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push(f1, ":^"); dup(); discard(); goto f1; < 1200428360 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200428361 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1200428363 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like this: < 1200428379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait < 1200428382 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'llw rite it in a file < 1200428383 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then paste it. < 1200428405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my earlier idea for preventing recursive stack usage in ul_call was to check if fp was ul_call in the o->fp(); line; if it was, instead of calling ul_call, you append o->cdr to the end of TOS, and then set o to TOS, after popping the TOS < 1200428433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the return address is saved by the cdr pointer on the end of TOS, rather than on C's stack < 1200428437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be just as fast, or faster < 1200428557 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://rafb.net/p/VwMkyk23.html < 1200428572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, for normal calls, you can just do basically underload(tmp->label) < 1200428578 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever/not clever? < 1200428635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same technique C-INTERCAL uses, pretty much < 1200428644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it maintains its own stack for normal calls < 1200428656 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE IS BETTER! It uses the highly efficient C stack. < 1200428659 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200428666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm planning to make it use the real C stack for all calls at some point in the future < 1200428680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can intersperse code that wasn't compiled from INTERCAL < 1200428691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I should have gone half an hour ago < 1200428709 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, bye then :) < 1200428710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll see if I can work out non-stack-gobbling versions of your C utility functions when I'm at home < 1200428721 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1200428722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :) < 1200428723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I have to do something else... < 1200428726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1200429442 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.86.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200429507 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now my Underload (...)s are no longer functions < 1200429509 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i call them? < 1200429511 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subprograms? < 1200429658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blimps < 1200429666 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like it < 1200429715 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a good thing gcc can optimizes heavily. < 1200429718 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*optimize < 1200429725 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll make these programs Really Damn Fast(TM) < 1200429739 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than if i compiled them to machine code < 1200430035 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still, it'll always get slower over time < 1200430046 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually taking years to perform one duplication. < 1200430064 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike, say, an interp, where you can easily just concat the code and it's constant < 1200432779 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what should i call them? < 1200432787 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what they actually /do/ if they're not functions :P < 1200432816 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((ab)cd)ef < 1200432818 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets unrolled. < 1200432832 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the nesting is removed and each was previously made into a function but now they're made into "case"s in switches < 1200432837 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called 'blimps' now. < 1200433259 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: my new compiler appears to work, apart from output with stuff wrapped by a < 1200433278 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, of course, dup is still recursive and could die without warning < 1200433329 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces neatly indented C and you can either have checks & nice error messages, or no checks and no error messages and SPEED < 1200433361 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1200433365 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can has memleak in (:^):^? < 1200433374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need more free()ing in the prelude methinks < 1200433398 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no < 1200433400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing i can do < 1200433402 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its perfect < 1200433544 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200433565 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, output works now < 1200433586 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even does TCO! < 1200433677 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, TCO of underload is trivial < 1200433687 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'll ALWAYS be the last instruction in your () or program < 1200433700 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit % ./quine < 1200433700 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: segmentation fault ./quine < 1200433710 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200433712 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a factorial < 1200433714 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i call it quine :P < 1200433722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1200433735 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "runscheme unlambda.scm > quine.c" in history... < 1200433744 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah crap < 1200433758 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another lovely mutuually-recursive functions < 1200433763 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overloading the c stack < 1200433777 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1200433782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 85000 < 1200433785 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90000 < 1200433787 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack frames.. < 1200433790 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1200433816 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have a bug or does the factorial prog really curse tat much < 1200433837 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs it in the JS interp and sees
< 1200433843 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was an awful lot.. < 1200433884 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, most definately. < 1200433889 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bug. < 1200433906 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My C is indented now. You must read it! :P < 1200433925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away screaming
< 1200434011 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://rafb.net/p/ubHcrP65.html Have fun! < 1200434019 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200434046 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a trivial infinite loop, actually... < 1200434054 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1 and 5 < 1200434059 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call each other until the stack runs out < 1200434068 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, WTF? < 1200434072 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can that happen? < 1200434099 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200434101 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 and 5. < 1200434111 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, how can 5 call 0? < 1200434144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is 6 afraid of 8? < 1200434149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1200434155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 7 < 1200434172 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1200434183 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously: 0 is the main program, and is never pushed to the stack < 1200434187 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does 5 call it? < 1200434289 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: DOEST THOU KNOWEST? < 1200434297 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1200434306 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally don't handle one thing properly < 1200434307 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdr. < 1200434310 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inner. < 1200434464 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-70.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200434580 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1200434585 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be inlining a lot of code with CALL < 1200435477 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if 5a636f6c is some kind of magic number? < 1200435569 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200435575 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive? GregorR? oerjan? < 1200435579 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok? < 1200435599 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you run this: http://rafb.net/p/cpVqur31.html (just "gcc blah.c -o blah") and tell me if it segfaults or what? < 1200435605 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it segfaults, the last number it prints out < 1200435759 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone?! :P < 1200435761 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey?! < 1200435767 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? < 1200435771 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah? < 1200435832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`? < 1200435833 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm quitting... Bye all" < 1200435849 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: see my previous message < 1200435855 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before "and if it segfaults," < 1200435927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1200435938 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No what < 1200435957 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't segfault here < 1200435979 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200435988 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you both copy the output, all of it, and paste that somewhere? < 1200435990 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very curious.. < 1200436104 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/t6PgUx72.html < 1200436153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6044d0 < 1200436161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No segfault. < 1200436176 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i run linux, i'm assuming pikhq runs windows < 1200436184 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell by the pointers < 1200436193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64-pc-linux-gnu < 1200436198 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1200436221 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: hmm, but no actual output apart from that? < 1200436232 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1200436239 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no factorial output even? < 1200436240 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200436242 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do: < 1200436245 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile it with -g < 1200436248 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb it < 1200436251 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start; cont < 1200436252 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bt < 1200436257 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give me the first few lines of backtrace? < 1200436264 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same output with g < 1200436272 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, just a mo < 1200436284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200436362 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 _copy (src=0x804b008, dest=0xbfa170d4) at poop.c:65 < 1200436366 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 0x080487b0 in dup () at poop.c:91 < 1200436366 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2 0x08048c1e in dispatch (o=0x804b058) at poop.c:223 < 1200436366 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3 0x08048bd0 in dispatch (o=0x0) at poop.c:207 < 1200436366 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4 0x08048e38 in main () at poop.c:303 < 1200436380 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the second _copy) < 1200436424 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second _copy? < 1200436430 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain! :P < 1200436432 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, second time it breaks < 1200436449 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i set a breakpoint on _copy) < 1200436454 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200436455 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't :P < 1200436461 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gdb poop < 1200436464 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> start; cont; bt < 1200436555 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program exited normally. < 1200436556 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) bt < 1200436556 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No stack. < 1200436566 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, this is a good point ;) < 1200436582 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200436592 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it would fail so i could see what its doing :P < 1200436678 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, VERSIONer GreaseMonkey ;) < 1200436685 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX, huh? < 1200436689 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X indeed < 1200436705 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pOSiX < 1200436791 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1200436799 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certified UNIX now! < 1200437567 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: pikhq ping2 < 1200437571 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/1qEvhC25.html < 1200437573 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this? < 1200437582 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me the last thing it prints is "16", then bus error < 1200437584 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(segfault) < 1200437778 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :804cfc8 < 1200437779 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ERROR -- ~ on stack of less than 2 elements < 1200437779 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program exited with code 01. < 1200437803 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| Wtf. < 1200437812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll certify YOU as UNIX) < 1200437858 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, on another topic... < 1200437871 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone implement CRTL and also suggest a way I could add arbitary output to it elegantly! < 1200437874 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of macs, what do people think of the Macbook Air? < 1200437891 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timotiis: flimsy, plastic-looking, far too expensive, only one usb port, no ethernet, no optical drive, ... < 1200437902 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now you can't output any arbitary string in your program < 1200437903 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: oh yeah. But damn slick < 1200437909 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need to include your state in it too and parse it back < 1200437910 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1200437913 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hours battery life. < 1200437914 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timotiis: No. It's kind of ugly. < 1200437930 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 5. < 1200438026 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: I like the look, and I'm fairly impressed with the engineering. I was raised on macs though, so I probably have an ingrained bias < 1200438040 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a linux convert. < 1200438045 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just ordered myself an Eee < 1200438052 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For about a year now. < 1200438072 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMac, sept 06 model (I was obsoleted so quick! :P) < 1200438085 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been linux only for myself for the last year or two (closer to two now), and macs before that < 1200438088 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably don't take as much advantage of OS X as I could < 1200438100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably my first machine that wasn't behind when i bought it :-) < 1200438118 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timotiis: from linux, not to < 1200438118 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this box here is hideously behind < 1200438137 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I went to linux from OS X < 1200438172 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :da, I just find it too inflexible, really. whaddya mean I can't totally change window managers in 10 minutes? < 1200438331 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run X11 on OS X! < 1200438540 0 :tesseracter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Buh-Bye" < 1200438548 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awkward silence < 1200438580 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200439268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a window manager in 100 lines of C < 1200439999 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? ;) < 1200440075 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take twm and strip all the newlines < 1200440090 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cheating, I know ;) < 1200440105 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200440111 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad is <500, but it's haskell < 1200440154 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwm is <2000... < 1200440219 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah 9wm is pretty tiny too < 1200440277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1200440284 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 58 lines-of-c one < 1200440319 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that's pretty minimal... < 1200440360 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has sloppy focus < 1200440390 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in debian < 1200440392 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tinywm' < 1200440407 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://incise.org/index.cgi/TinyWM < 1200440418 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a port to python, and lisp < 1200440475 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha tinywm is just a main() < 1200440545 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do wish there was a way to write WMs for os x though < 1200440610 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows Medias? < 1200440626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window managers. < 1200440637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is. < 1200440647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.org runs on OS X. ;) < 1200440663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even get it to replace Aqua. < 1200440708 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh, I know that. < 1200440719 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant integrated with Aqua < 1200440720 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-X11 < 1200440724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you *actually* mean, though. < 1200440764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to that, of course, is, "don't use nonfree software." < 1200440825 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know what's more annoying than Mac zealots? Anti-mac zealots. < 1200440837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: I'm just anti-nonfree-software. < 1200440874 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should really write a page on this sometime so he can just link people to it instead of debating with them
< 1200440917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should just get a copy of "Free Software, Free Society" so he can just hand it to people instead of debating with them
< 1200440952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why will I not use Mac OS? < 1200440964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I will. . . The minute I have a source tarball in my hands. < 1200440974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, knowing Apple, never. < 1200441007 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find it odd that you say 'knowing Apple' while apparently disliking them. < 1200441015 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure if you hand over enough cash... < 1200441015 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, you wouldn't go researching them to death. < 1200441035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple is not known for handing over source tarballs with the GPL attached. < 1200441045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like how you added the 'GPL' clause there. < 1200441068 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're either with us, or against us, obviously, so the mostly-BSD stuff you get here: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ (yes, I know it's not full OS X, obviously) doesn't count < 1200441072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd accept any free license, actually. BSD works, the current version of the APL works, etc.) < 1200441081 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not interested in a debate < 1200441120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They produce damned good software (usually), but it's not free, so I won't use it. < 1200441176 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The rabid lack of reason and dogmatic assertations that involve being a free software zealot make the term 'religious' be something other than an exaggeration, I find... < 1200441302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1200441315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall go off to make his computer obey him for a bit.
< 1200441347 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, my computer's doing t hat too. < 1200441374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I thought you wanted it to have user-replacable WMs? < 1200441393 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was mostly a joke, actually. I like the WM. < 1200441406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about replacing it if you wanted to, though? < 1200441408 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, any WM-programming I would do would be just as a toy, so X11 would be fine. < 1200441417 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. It's obeying me, see, because I haven't told it to do that. < 1200441426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it won't obey if you tell it to do that. < 1200441436 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't told it to do that. Therefore it's obeying me. QED! < 1200441445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now, maybe. < 1200441454 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what if X11 didn't let you do that? Would you go and hack up the source for weeks to get that running? < 1200441457 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I doubt it. < 1200441464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'd be free to. < 1200441474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd be free to ask someone else to do so. < 1200441487 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, the debates are like ones with religious fundamentalists too... < 1200441489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd even be free to hire someone else to do so, if I were willing to part with the money needed for that. < 1200441490 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, whatever < 1200441492 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200441501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could hire apple to do it too actually. < 1200441506 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need an awful lot of money, but I could < 1200441517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have enough free time, I could probably hack up the source for weeks. . . < 1200441524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind, I wrote PEBBLE in my free time. :p < 1200441551 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's PEBBLE < 1200441564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Practical Esoteric Brainfuck-Based Language, Eh? < 1200441577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/pebble.php < 1200441639 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a different name for BFM? < 1200441648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the new name for BFM. < 1200441648 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a different project? < 1200441653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has been since May of last year. < 1200441766 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have free time, I have not-doing-university-work time :) < 1200443739 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1200443810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200444705 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1200445196 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200449430 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200450697 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200451228 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200455761 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SuperMonkey < 1200455767 0 :SuperMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1200456992 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new comic: http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1200456820-camera.png < 1200457459 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1200459067 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why, but I thought it'd switched to a washing machine in the lower left pic.. haha < 1200459184 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a talking washing machine would make more sense. < 1200459291 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: clearly < 1200459340 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I can kinda see that confusion, but I figured the slow zoom-in would make it clear < 1200459455 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: yeah I wasbn't paying attention .. got it the second time thru < 1200462070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i've never seen one of those pictures < 1200462087 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1200462101 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding up the leaning tower of pizza < 1200462186 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/4598/13665/f/58265-Leaning-tower-of-pisa-1.jpg < 1200462554 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, faxathisia < 1200463015 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200466581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many interpreters I could run at the same times. < 1200466600 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an interpreter of language A ran on the interpreter of language B ran on etc < 1200469630 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1200469684 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eigenratio! < 1200470247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well run a brainfuck interpreter coded in brainfuck, that runs inside my brainfuck interpreter coded in bash, that runs inside bash < 1200470251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means, 3 levels < 1200470357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure more are possible < 1200470399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200470400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200470416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/index.py/log/bashfuck/head < 1200471851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1200473908 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"night" < 1200474022 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1200474754 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200474754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200480080 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200481272 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200482544 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200487421 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-63.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200488620 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200488657 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200489464 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200490089 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200491312 0 :joku!n=lxuser@88.193.24.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200491494 0 :joku!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200491539 0 :argoyle!n=lxuser@88.193.24.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200492176 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-148-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200493023 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200494274 0 :jix!i=jix@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200496802 0 :argoyle!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200497683 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200498338 0 :ehird`!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200498507 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mister Ais! < 1200498518 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this work as a 2,3 machine interpreter? http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/23.py < 1200498540 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is here? < 1200498541 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1200498551 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite band of 0 (white cells), input, starts at the beggining of the input in state A. < 1200498639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird` is here? < 1200498645 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200498646 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200498659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on optimising the C-from-Underload code < 1200498662 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I rewrote the compiler and such. http://rafb.net/p/sJZzsI57.html < 1200498669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to eliminate all but two uses of recursion < 1200498673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to paste it
< 1200498673 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah _copy is still completely recursive ofc < 1200498727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/857315 < 1200498743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all call calls in the original code now tail-recurse < 1200498751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones which don't appear tail-recursive in the original code < 1200498759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can't cause stack overflow no matter how bad the original code is < 1200498760 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, i should have waited before i rewrote it < 1200498760 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200498792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the only two recursive calls I didn't change into iteration are for wrapped lists in copy and print < 1200498819 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they fixable? < 1200498821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last has a new definition, for efficiency < 1200498826 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, copy for wrapped lists is the one i care about really < 1200498843 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I made last self-referencing ages ago ;) < 1200498847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means 'garbage unless this happens to be the start of a stack element, when it points to the last element of that stack element' < 1200498858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being updated all the way along an element < 1200498868 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else if(o->fp()) < 1200498868 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is deep magic, i like it :D < 1200498908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return 1 means do a call at that point, return 0 means don't < 1200498962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make copy work on infintely-nested wrapped lists could be problematic < 1200498984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's hard to see how to copy lists like (((a)(b))((c)(d))) in an iterative manner < 1200499031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking at slereah_'s 2,3 interpreter
< 1200499066 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would it help if i gave you the source (prelude&scheme compiler) to the new version? < 1200499072 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankies. < 1200499078 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a lot more readable than the previous one, and it means you don't have to just change one program's output < 1200499094 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523 with your half-hand-compiled fibs it generates 29 fibs in 10 seconds < 1200499100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO bound, obviously < 1200499108 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time programming anything at all on it, since I have absolutely no ideas how to do any particular pattern. < 1200499112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: maybe a good idea if we want to work on this together < 1200499113 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 'cat' takes about 20 seconds to print it out < 1200499127 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, have you got any version control systems? :P < 1200499192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I don't normally use them < 1200499203 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a bit easier if we're both going to be doing stuff with it < 1200499213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have svn installed over here < 1200499215 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally use darcs or mercurial but you probably just have svn < 1200499217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no server to use it with < 1200499219 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1200499223 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a server, how convenient < 1200499228 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i'd have to set up svn though. < 1200499244 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should only take a minute... if it doesn't then i'll just upload it somewhere :P < 1200499362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: I put one of the genuine test programs I used when constructing the proof at http://pastebin.ca/857325 < 1200499372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the A indicates the initial position of the tape head < 1200499412 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: such elegance. < 1200499425 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metapatterns fold and weave and the digits intertwix'd. < 1200499492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2,3 source I pasted corresponds to the system 5 system 1,2 4,5 2,4 "" "" "" < 1200499971 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200500032 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200500042 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200500295 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200500342 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how this computer fares now < 1200500359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your program have any way to specify where to start? < 1200500408 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now. Though I was thinking of adding two symbols. < 1200500424 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^and v, to add next to the cell you want to start with, in state A or B < 1200500480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used A and B < 1200500495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, as well, in some of the more advanced systems that the 2,3 Turing machine emulates < 1200500536 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to regret windows. < 1200500615 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder though, is it possible to produce any pattern at some point on the 2,3 machine? < 1200500665 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the impression that it's impossible to end up on some pattern containing more than one zero. < 1200500670 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I input it. < 1200500683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of zeros is nonincreasing over more than a few steps < 1200500686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prove that somewhere < 1200500738 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it probably was a bad choice to use that symbol for my attempt at some sort of meaningful output. < 1200500838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl scripts at the end of the proof show some possible ways to filter output < 1200500852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting on each 'relevant zero' is normally the best way to do it, but I've forgotten the precise definition < 1200500862 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only on the 3rd machine of that proof. < 1200500894 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exam week, so I try to read some more physics-related proof. < 1200500913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only show steps on which < 1200500914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# a 0 is active and the states on the previous 3 steps haven't been B then A < 1200500914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# then A) < 1200500945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the definition of which steps to show copied from the Perl script < 1200501073 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I could make some hello world with that. < 1200501107 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the 1 and 2 as binary digits, showing the translated tape every those steps. < 1200501543 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-13-77.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1200502546 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1200502570 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wassup Slereah (If that was aimed at me :) ) < 1200502580 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed < 1200502583 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little late, but < 1200502601 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather late then never ;) < 1200502708 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.langpop.com/ : This is crazy, I never realised just how popular C was ( I really don't like it though) < 1200502723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is really useful for things like device drivers < 1200502734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of those have to be written every year < 1200502740 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of compiling to bytecode I suspect... < 1200502756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because most OSs are written in it < 1200502765 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, yes, true < 1200502822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a good language to compile into < 1200502829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want portable output < 1200502840 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so... though there is the fabled D < 1200502840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would otherwise be compiling into assembly < 1200502851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C--, of course, which is even lower-level than C < 1200502853 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like assembly < 1200502867 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would be cruelty to humans, lower level C < 1200502959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, they teach us C here. < 1200502973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-- is designed to be used as a sort of portable assembly. < 1200502982 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm... well I guess it does put you in good stead < 1200502984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It resembles C, but it is much easier to define behavior in it. < 1200502994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so, it's easier to target. < 1200502995 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though we're not really looking for all the fantastic advantages of C, since we just do numbers. < 1200503018 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikqh: What's the point though, there i in line assembly in C and there is HLA (High Level Assembly) < 1200503038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you miss the bit about being portable? < 1200503047 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: That's what I like about Delphi: It's Pascal (which is goddam easy) and it's RAD < 1200503052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLA is a macro language for x86 assembly. . . < 1200503066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inline assembly is both nonportable *and* nonstandard. < 1200503068 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but C is portable and HLA compiles into assembly which is portable < 1200503073 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200503082 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200503083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Assembly? Portable? < 1200503086 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1200503104 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really thought it was. Unless you moved from x86 to x86_64 < 1200503116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 6502 assembler? < 1200503123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing like x86 assembler < 1200503125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly is neither cross-OS portable nor cross-CPU portable. < 1200503141 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I didn't mean RADical :P (Just incase) I meant Rapid Application Development < 1200503146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I make a small program in x86 assembly, assuming Linux. < 1200503165 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to try out the current version of the underload compiler < 1200503174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That same program will not run on x86_64 Linux, or PPC Linux. Nor will it run on Windows of any sort, nor on Mac OS of any sort. . . < 1200503179 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: I don't know what either of those things are, and don't know much of Delphi either < 1200503184 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no worries < 1200503198 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, quite ironic < 1200503199 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, sure :D < 1200503199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'll run on x86 BSDs, but that's because they've got a spiffy kernel feature letting them handle the Linux syscall interface. . .) < 1200503201 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT compiles to C < 1200503216 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: < 1200503221 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co svn://elliotthird.org/underload < 1200503226 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that tailcalls are broken right now < 1200503239 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the output you can change #define TAILCALL ... to #define TAILCALL CALL to fix < 1200503272 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Surely though, TASM, NASM, FASM and co are an attempt to standardise the the Assembley syntax/language and thus make it portable < 1200503296 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: um no < 1200503297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are quite ignorant, apparently. < 1200503303 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ehird`: haven't got the faintest clue what underload is < 1200503305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax is not what matters. . . < 1200503306 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey, give him a break < 1200503313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The raw binary changes from CPU to CPU. < 1200503321 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: calling someone ignorant just because they don't know about syscalls in ASM is stupid < 1200503323 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: quite possible, I live in South Africa < 1200503323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the syscalls change from OS to OS. < 1200503331 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: think about it this way < 1200503335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your country has nothing to do with it. . . < 1200503338 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: when an asm program wants to print out some text to the screen < 1200503341 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't do < 1200503343 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTOUT blah < 1200503347 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the cpu Can't Do That < 1200503348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your lack of experience in assembly is all that's relevant. :p < 1200503351 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do: < 1200503361 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...put blah in a register somehow... < 1200503368 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERRUPT 38433 < 1200503373 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the OS intercepts interupt 38433 < 1200503375 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses that to print < 1200503379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every OS does it completely differently. < 1200503388 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember how to do Assembly, FASM that is (I wrote a little tiny OS type thingy a while ago) < 1200503394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every CPU has different commands for putting blah in a register, and doing interrupts. < 1200503397 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I understand < 1200503403 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200503551 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS: pikhq: In SA, we only do computer studies in Grade 10/11/12 and we do basic stuff like PC structure, data storage databases etc.. nevermind the fact that I have only had Internet for about ~1 year now and that there are virtually no computer resources in SA.... That was why I made my statement < 1200503570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x86, it's just "mov $string_address,%ecx;mov $string_size,%edx;mov $1,%ebx;mov write,%eax;int 0x80". . . Assuming string_address points to "Foo" and string_size is the size of that string. . . < 1200503609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x86_64, it's something more like "push $string_address;push $string_size;push 1;push write;syscall". < 1200503611 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200503634 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I get it... < 1200503638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1200503661 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Park? :P (The psychologist) < 1200503704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a teacher? (Mmkay.) < 1200503714 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah huh ;) < 1200503724 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School counselor. < 1200503730 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go :D < 1200503742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1200503751 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With his many great lessons on drugs. < 1200503769 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me, I only saw the one episode... < 1200503900 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Impressive that you made Full 0 in your second year with internet :P < 1200503907 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you use computers significantly before that? < 1200504506 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-144-115.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200505047 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200506130 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200506480 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-13-77.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1200506495 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load shedding.... < 1200506526 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I'm back now < 1200506531 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is the power < 1200506533 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200506541 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU FEEL THE POWER? < 1200506556 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh lol :D < 1200506563 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.lulz.net/src/1178122406441.jpg < 1200506564 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200506586 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wicked :D < 1200506607 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant was that Eskom (the power dudes in SA) feel the need to arbitrarily cut off certain area's power for unspecified amounts of tin < 1200506609 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1200506619 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without warning or schedule < 1200506629 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they call it Load Shedding.... < 1200506652 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you three thousand tons of tin. < 1200506658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you give me back my power. < 1200506671 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm... you drive a hard bargain < 1200506678 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three and a half thousand :P < 1200506681 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its done < 1200506693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, what am I, made of tin? < 1200506700 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I look like the Tinman to you? < 1200506708 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for short... yes < 1200506715 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially through IRC < 1200506724 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it has that effect on everyone < 1200507158 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200507279 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1200507301 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1200507307 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning ditto < 1200507347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1200507352 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the life of a compiler writer is not easy < 1200507353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:14:53 I've been tracing it two implementations simultaneously < 1200507353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:15:01 they deviate somewhere inside either block 16 or block 1 < 1200507353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:15:04 quite early on < 1200507353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:15:04 hardcore < 1200507376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1200507387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hello < 1200507391 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1200507396 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, oerjan < 1200507469 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-144-115.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200507538 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't Kolmogorov be called Bob? < 1200507559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Popov, to make it Russianer. < 1200507622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically he _could_ be called Andrey < 1200507651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but youwon't find an Andrey machine! < 1200507657 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can you? < 1200507667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a goddamn Andrey machine! < 1200507670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the russian diminutive is for that
< 1200507676 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andrey Popov machine. < 1200507676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! < 1200507781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there apparently is Scott Andrey Machine < 1200507916 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Esolang is the first google result for Kolmogorov Machine < 1200507965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the graph in computing the same as in math? < 1200507986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not a very common term then... < 1200507986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The { | for some property } < 1200508007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1200508035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word graph has several meanings < 1200508076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph of a function, or a graph of vertices and edges, spring to mind < 1200508109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe both are used in both computing and math < 1200508120 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the graph of a function qualify as that definition. < 1200508130 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a function is just a particular type of graph. < 1200508155 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the vertices one is though < 1200508188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_(mathematics) < 1200508208 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I get gay porn with "Brainfuck" on google image? < 1200508232 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1200508241 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather < 1200508260 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why where you searching Brainfuck on Google Images anyways :D? < 1200508287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: your definition seems to be the graph of a relation < 1200508300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I typed Kologo...Kogloglo...Glokok... Andrey Machine in google. < 1200508308 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, I clicked on google image, for lulz < 1200508311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one result < 1200508319 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, I tried Brainfuck < 1200508336 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that definition comes from the Bourbaki < 1200508336 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1200508343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it might not be very up to date < 1200508356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Graphe.jpg < 1200508375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wikipedia mentions it < 1200508412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then in set theory a relation is often identified with its graph < 1200508437 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I don't even understand the difference! < 1200508550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in predicate logic a relation is usually not a set, but a more basic logical concept < 1200508565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the sense used in that jpg < 1200508580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1200508590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relation = proposition in that < 1200508636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say a proposition is a relation with no arguments i guess < 1200508692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange definition. < 1200508736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... fits with automatic currying like in haskell :D < 1200508756 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some relation definition without sets in the Principia Mathematica, but I never focused beyond chapter 40. < 1200508803 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A graph or undirected graph G is an ordered pair" < 1200508808 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I like better! < 1200508902 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell. This is distracting. < 1200508909 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I just study :( < 1200509396 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot! < 1200509399 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underload->C compiler works. < 1200509407 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does tail-call optimization and all that jazz. < 1200509413 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co svn://elliotthird.org/underload < 1200509415 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to take a look < 1200509418 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for celebration! < 1200509430 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a Scheme implementation, and pipe underload.scm to a file, then compile that with gcc. < 1200509440 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should print an awful lot of colons. < 1200509528 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolgoatse < 1200510076 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone quickly explain Trinary (or ternary) to me, I don't understand how you convert... < 1200510089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a number has digits edcba < 1200510098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then its value is a+b*3+c*9+d*27+e*81 < 1200510111 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1200510115 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roger, thanks... < 1200510120 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused there < 1200510246 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: binary < 1200510248 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1200510251 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1 < 1200510259 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((digit*2)+digit)*2... < 1200510282 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101 -> ((((((1*2)+1)*2)+0)*2)+1 < 1200510288 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with trinary it's the same but with 0,1,2 < 1200510292 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with decimal: but with 0-9 < 1200510297 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex: 0-9A-F < 1200510320 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I got it from ais523's explanation, but thanks anyway :). < 1200510379 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the INTERCAL manual explains, ternary offers some nice options for signed numbers (e.g. balanced ternary) < 1200510389 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 2 actually means -1 < 1200510404 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1200510409 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check it out < 1200510440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://intercal.freeshell.org < 1200510447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the new manual < 1200510453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old one's all over the Internet < 1200510455 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, thanks < 1200510479 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The tape still has characters written on it in binary, even though the program uses a different base" < 1200510495 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, must be fun doing binary operations in TriINTERCAL. < 1200510506 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, :D < 1200510507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ternary description's in the original manual < 1200510554 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`bBASEChange base" there's the solution :P < 1200512522 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I'm tired today (1st day of school again..) < 1200512523 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1200512526 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1200512943 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the compiler obediently spewed out a 73184 line C file, I am now attempting to compile it with -O3 < 1200512948 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might take a few years. < 1200512982 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't bother. The world's ending in 5 years, according to the most reliable crackpots. < 1200513064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5? i thought it was 4 < 1200513073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 that is < 1200513130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't worry, it'll just be a verne singularity. < 1200513146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er vinge < 1200513172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the process computing power will grow asymptotically so compilation should certainly finish < 1200513184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you upgrade regularly < 1200513209 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't gcc multi core!!! < 1200513213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting program took me 21m56.905s to run with -O0 < 1200513230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only a 99bob... < 1200513240 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is compiled badly from brainfuck, though.. < 1200513248 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had debug checks on... < 1200513256 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your - is I(n) < 1200513264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt the debug checks would have made that much of a difference < 1200513269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the hugely inefficient - < 1200513271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes Thy Dungeonman-Brainfuck Edition
< 1200513282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1200513288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Thy_Dungeonman < 1200513308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if I translated Lost Kingdoms? < 1200513315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last summer, I wrote an engine for text-based games in Brainfuck. . . < 1200513323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably get Lost Kingdom to run in it. < 1200513325 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translated to what? < 1200513330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload < 1200513334 0 :johnl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Kingdoms? < 1200513336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the engine is in PEBBLE, but. . . < 1200513336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some input extension, presumably < 1200513373 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, i just had to kill gcc. < 1200513383 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't believe what i saw just before... < 1200513389 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD? < 1200513390 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc did a garbage collection. < 1200513393 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GARBAGE COLLECTION!! < 1200513395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc!! < 1200513395 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also good. < 1200513429 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin is having a hard time recoveirng... < 1200513441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. GCC has a builtin garbage collector for internal purposes. < 1200513444 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think, perhaps -O2 will be enough < 1200513446 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with all that creationism. < 1200513458 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did I mention it did it because it had >over 200MB allocatedC->binary with -O2 or -O3 makes GCC hate you. < 1200513540 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O2 was quick < 1200513542 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -O3.. < 1200513544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not particularly stressful, though, just extensive < 1200513545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It usually gets to about 1.5GB before segfaulting if I do that. . . < 1200513568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/segfault/malloc returns null/ < 1200513579 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99bob is now reniced to -20 < 1200513584 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should ... not be terribly slow < 1200513590 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, "99 bottles of beer on the wall, " < 1200513608 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth it, I think.. < 1200513630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need an /optimising/ BF to Underload compiler... < 1200513631 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think perhaps we should concentrate on other programs < 1200513638 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now. < 1200513640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely a good idea < 1200513646 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a big program, though.. < 1200513652 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can, e.g. optimize it. < 1200513655 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd get rid of memleaks. < 1200513670 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know! A prime checker. < 1200513682 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably, an infinite one: checks 1, then 2, then 3, ... < 1200513691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... division would be quite difficult to write in Underload < 1200513696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is possible < 1200513700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've done it before) < 1200513749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe doing it finitely with an Erosthanes sieve would be easier < 1200513791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's getting late, and I'd better go home < 1200513804 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw crap, now i have to test it on my own without valgrind :P < 1200513819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye everyone!" < 1200513870 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh idea < 1200513877 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert http://www.bf-hacks.org/hacks/uload.b to Underload. < 1200513879 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile it. < 1200513882 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use as underload interpreter. < 1200514060 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many memory location does an OISC interpreter need? < 1200514186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough. < 1200514204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda-esoteric challenge! < 1200514205 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/raw/857629 < 1200514215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is enough? < 1200514221 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decode that and you'll get a program which can encode and decode the same "encryption" that is put on it! < 1200514246 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like python < 1200514275 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, don't do it, I broke the decoder < 1200514276 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200514277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing now < 1200514282 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-obftuscated.. < 1200514330 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.86.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200514383 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it... AN UNBOUNDED AMOUNT? :o < 1200514402 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is, that's going to be hard to implement on the Love Machine. < 1200514428 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/raw/857632 < 1200514430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything TC requires unbounded memory, you hear < 1200514431 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok: this one < 1200514449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily by number of cells, it could be cell contents < 1200514457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was my idea. < 1200514468 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using two tapes, and just adding 1's on them < 1200514468 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1200514469 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200514471 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't quite work < 1200514481 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wondered if two was enough for OISC < 1200514542 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems dubious to me, because if two was enough, it wouldn't need three arguments < 1200514551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful, but it may be enough to have only two ever be unbounded < 1200514578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for emulating a minsky machine < 1200514605 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just do one instruction of zero arguments, "substract memory from other memory, and branch if" < 1200514673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't find the minimal amount of memory if any on the esowiki or the regular wiki. < 1200514722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! who has a really short domain name? < 1200514756 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I still have cb0.org < 1200514766 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really got round to using it. < 1200514832 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, who has a domain name that they are using for other things and also have ways to point urls to different ips < 1200514848 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to put my short-URL-maker that makes them shorter than any other site i've seen up somewhere :P < 1200514858 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like shortdomain/u/ < 1200514862 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mine expired 27 days ago < 1200514866 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200514867 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1200514973 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't mind custom DNS, I could probably get _.x < 1200514975 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200514980 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200515016 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: if you want to keep cb0.org i'd reccomend reregistering it Right Now: domain squatters will grab three-letter domains almost immediately < 1200515130 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is pretty short :P < 1200515140 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.coms are all gone, but there should still be a few .nets and a few thousand .orgs < 1200515143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "really short" < 1200515169 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn.fi is also quite short. < 1200515171 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: few thousand: you are quite the comedian < 1200515178 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3la.org/toc.html < 1200515182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grab it now if you want to keep it. ;) < 1200515186 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how up-to-date that is < 1200515188 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually almost made a tinyurl there < 1200515196 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: my tinyurl is great < 1200515207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should grab ワスタ・ジョウサイア.com if it's still open. :p
< 1200515207 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc for the first few ten thousand urls you get 3 characters. < 1200515209 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1200515221 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't whois these with networksolutions, should I? < 1200515223 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i'll tell you if you host it :P < 1200515229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could buy x.com off Yahoo for some few thousand million dollars :P < 1200515243 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make sure not to let it expire! < 1200515245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Don't whois. Register it; if it fails to register, the name's taken. ;) < 1200515281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it's "paypal labs" now ... PayPal must have got it from Yahoo and/or been bought by Yahoo. < 1200515285 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my web host give me one free registration per year, so I may as well get this one back. < 1200515294 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only "non trivial" part is i have no idea how to get virtual directories, like vjn.fi/879yf < 1200515299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huzzah. < 1200515300 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i can think of is get. < 1200515310 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: just tell it, i'm not going to steal it. < 1200515311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xn--cckdf4dnf6b9wkcug.com is not taken. < 1200515368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that de-punycode-ized? < 1200515385 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: i haven't registered, wait a sec < 1200515389 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: i haven't registered, wait a sec < 1200515392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my name in Japanese. < 1200515406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ワスタ・ジョウサイア.com < 1200515406 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1200515417 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come going to xn--cckdf4dnf6b9wkcug.com resolves to < 1200515422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is registered by some jerk named Greg Orr :P < 1200515422 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ワスタ・ジョウサイア.com < 1200515423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1200515431 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: Because that's what it is. < 1200515431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: That's punycode. < 1200515456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punycode is a method of encoding Unicode in 7-bit ASCII, and is used for IDN. < 1200515463 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo < 1200515464 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for internationalised TLDs. Then I can be even more confused at domain names. < 1200515686 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200515688 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using punycode < 1200515691 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you register: < 1200515695 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,].com < 1200515765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1200515782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend doing it on .org, though. < 1200515835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you don't need punycode for that. < 1200515869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure domain names don't allow "[" or "]" :P < 1200515876 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And punycode's base offset is above ASCII < 1200515883 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in fact you couldn't reg that. < 1200515888 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine actually being able to register http://"egnufeb">:#,_@.info/ < 1200515910 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .info converters says so too... "The converted string ,[.,] contains characters not supported in this registry" < 1200515931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can't be a *technical* reason for that. < 1200515935 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And punycode's base offset is above ASCII < 1200515961 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't encode those into punycode and domain names have never allowed "," and "]" < 1200515971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that would have to be the subdomain ",[" under the domain ",]" < 1200516037 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait < 1200516042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, and two-letter domain names are no longer sold. < 1200516043 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are unicode chars looking very much like [ < 1200516044 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and , < 1200516051 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1200516055 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1200516056 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: find them, translate to punycode < 1200516059 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register ,]-alike < 1200516060 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be in your browser's IDN blacklist < 1200516064 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add subdomain ,[-alike < 1200516070 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, the browser would display the punycode < 1200516117 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Oh well. Find the chars for me! :P < 1200516118 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy. < 1200516137 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, stuff like ㎮ is in the blacklist < 1200516170 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'd be able to read that at my address bar font size.. < 1200516226 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :［ ］ < 1200516237 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FF3B and U+FF3D < 1200516262 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read these in linkinus < 1200516265 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fileformat.info < 1200516268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me to the page it has for them < 1200516278 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy :P < 1200516281 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/ff3b/index.htm < 1200516282 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1200516284 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we thought the same thing < 1200516380 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://‚［‚.］.org/ < 1200516424 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari collapses it :( < 1200516425 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.. < 1200516438 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁅ < 1200516478 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁅⁆ < 1200516482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200516509 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁅﹐.⁆ < 1200516513 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://⁅﹐.⁆.org/ < 1200516542 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nwg1758f.xn--owg.org/ < 1200516558 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the first one: < 1200516558 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--fvga6742o.xn--ii7c.org/ < 1200516578 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my IRC client is refusing to open these (having to copy and paste) :) < 1200516596 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200516627 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://‚［，.］.org/ < 1200516630 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaced it out a bit. < 1200516654 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dibs on http://xn--fvg8298f9da.xn--ii7c.org/ < 1200516687 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xn--1xa.com is registered < 1200516688 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200516765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF3B and FF3D are nice brackets < 1200516781 0 :helios24_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200516822 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200517005 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xn--ufb0078j.com is my best ,] < 1200517068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urk < 1200517070 0 :ehird`_!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200517075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox disagrees on the translation of that >_O < 1200517101 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1200517103 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1200517105 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the punycode of http://.com/ < 1200517118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's http://www.googleityourself.com/ < 1200517198 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it won't convert < 1200517199 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu < 1200517234 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URIencoded it's %ef%a3%bf < 1200517282 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200517284 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird` < 1200517288 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox seems to convert it to F8FF when I navigate to it :( < 1200517302 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed paste it at all < 1200517331 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is F8FF < 1200517337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it display as in your fonts < 1200517344 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get xn--lzg, and it's owned. < 1200517370 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that's euro < 1200517374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the euro symbol. < 1200517399 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/f8ff/index.htm the image is funky < 1200517400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200517403 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not what i see < 1200517405 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's F8FF. It's a private use character (looks vaguely hebrew-ish in this font) < 1200517406 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah: it's f8ff < 1200517412 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's that in punycode? < 1200517414 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can it not do it < 1200517416 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-70.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200517450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Like I said, Firefox told me it's xn--lzg, and that's owned. < 1200517459 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not xn--lzg. < 1200517462 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a euro sign < 1200517474 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what did you type? Looks like the Euro sign to me :P < 1200517535 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08033/f8ff931.png < 1200517560 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1200517571 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is pretty well convinced that's a Euro symbol for me 8-O < 1200517596 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are both wrong! < 1200517702 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean of course that our /clients/ are wrong. < 1200517754 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a domain which looks different depending on what font you happen to like... that's pretty cool :D < 1200517806 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-145.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200517838 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.skitch.com/20080116-m85215j9jx89pbk5wwb8rwj8y6.jpg < 1200517839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200517839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpg < 1200517847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a block to me. < 1200517848 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION better reconfigure that
< 1200517869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, is right if you don't have the correct font. < 1200517871 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EF%A3%BF < 1200517898 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KLINGON MUMMIFICATION GLYPH", nice. < 1200517906 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see my screenshot! < 1200517954 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually a bit surprised that ithink∴iam.com is unowned. < 1200518116 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders reverse DNS opportunities
< 1200518206 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ConScript Unicode Registry suggests it be used for the Klingon glyph "KLINGON MUMMIFICATION GLYPH." < 1200518210 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve. < 1200518297 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that's the one on fileformat.info, it seems < 1200518318 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: fileformat.info uses Code2000 < 1200518337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has every single character (no, really) and also complies with the ConScript thing < 1200518403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn! < 1200518418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It translates the early modern English short s symbol to an 's' :( < 1200518422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Firefox) < 1200518630 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION registeres g✉.com
< 1200518644 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA < 1200518648 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That = awesome < 1200518727 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many awesome domain names like ☃.com and ☭.com are parked :( < 1200518808 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200518941 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g a^ ae %o < 1200518944 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's good about those characters. < 1200519211 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200520027 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200520052 0 :ehird`!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200520093 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has been congratulated for an awfully long time :P < 1200520289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess someone will have to top that < 1200520316 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i proved god doesn't exist < 1200520319 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really as important. < 1200520389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did Sgeo! let's put you both up! < 1200520399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgehird to save space < 1200520448 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200520460 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did sgeo prove that? :P < 1200520471 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a puff of logic? < 1200520477 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: hopefully < 1200520530 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200520574 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200520580 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he prove black is white for an encore, and get run over at the next zebra crossing? :P < 1200520650 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i think there'd be a bit of a fuss before he got run over < 1200520659 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything being both 100% dark and 100% light, and all that jazz. < 1200520791 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200520998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Sgeo (if it was him) did something with the fact that "god can do anything" < 1200521004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't exactly hard < 1200521042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that in #esoteric ? < 1200521054 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd lurve to see this amazo argument. < 1200521063 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, duh < 1200521066 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's retarded. < 1200521081 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody apart from the most fundamental, braindead idiots define god as "can do anything" < 1200521090 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, the most common is "god can do anything which god could logically do" < 1200521098 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which /doesn't/ imply god is impossible < 1200521100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: well, a "god can't exist" argument is always retarded, if it's meant literally < 1200521111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which god could logically do" ... < 1200521119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200521124 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing that's so well-defined. < 1200521131 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it is, you're reading it wrong < 1200521134 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts off: < 1200521140 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"god can do anything that is logically possible" < 1200521144 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. results in no contradiction < 1200521149 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense. < 1200521150 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets rid of: rock so heavy god can't lift it < 1200521151 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1200521161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I feel is a subpar definition of a god. < 1200521164 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can specially formulate something that by its nature everyone but god can do < 1200521167 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you come to that definition < 1200521171 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: this is ancient stuff < 1200521176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything which could truly be called a god is exempt from our rules of logic and reason. < 1200521185 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence < 1200521188 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a bullshit argument < 1200521189 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200521213 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god either exists, or he doesn't, and you can scientifically calculate approximations of the probability of this. < 1200521219 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way, they're extremely low.) < 1200521219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God can do anything that he does not limit himself from doing." < 1200521231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1200521331 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it very revealing that everyone who believes or 'believes in belief' (to steal Dawkins' term, who stole it from someone else, etc.) states that logic and reason against god is a defiance of faith and cannot be explained etc etc < 1200521356 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly because when you do, you find out that a god is incredibly unlikely. < 1200521376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200521395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway this is all wrong, because the flying spaghetti monster is real < 1200521398 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please ignore everything i said < 1200521549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i find it very revealing that everyone who believes or 'believes in belief' (to steal Dawkins' term, who stole it from someone else, etc.) states that logic and reason against god is a defiance of faith and cannot be explained etc etc" // I'm not confident that this is a sentence < 1200521585 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that * logic < 1200521592 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* = using < 1200521679 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite confident that that wasn't a sentence :P < 1200521821 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it very revealing that everyone who believes or 'believes in belief' (to steal Dawkins' term, who stole it from someone else, etc.) states that using logic and reason against god is a defiance of faith and cannot be explained etc etc < 1200521935 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200521972 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oklopol < 1200521992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the boot, ubuntu <3 ehird`: can i see calculations on the probability? < 1200522005 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: of what < 1200522025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that god exist < 1200522026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1200522082 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[continue in /msg, this is getting offtopic here :)] < 1200522087 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, #esoteric, offtopic. < 1200522089 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200522095 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds pretty esoteric to me :P < 1200522103 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: nahh < 1200522184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :soteric programming language discussion | FORUM AND WIKI: esolangs.org | CHANNEL LOGS: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | IRP in #irp | Congratulations ais523 for winning the Wolfram research prize! | Nothing's off-topic in #esoteric! :DDDD < 1200522192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1200522204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless we redefine the topic. < 1200522214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Albatross fanatics unite!
< 1200522216 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200522218 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Albatross fanatics unite! < 1200522224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how i cut the first character :D < 1200522291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBUNTU WURVES EHIRD` < 1200522308 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use ubuntu < 1200522918 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200523590 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200523610 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: So you don't love it. It still loves you! < 1200523618 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: start making sense < 1200523827 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks for the boot, ubuntu <3 ehird`: can i see calculations on the probability? < 1200523848 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200523864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a newline in there somewhere :P < 1200524023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :rice < 1200524029 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird` < 1200524037 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** rice is now known as ehird`. < 1200524038 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee < 1200524165 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yesterday I was eating some curry over ehird`. < 1200524171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: sometimes i want to say two things at once to make the first one impossible to comment on < 1200524183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeeed < 1200524192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes looks wronglied. < 1200524194 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :rice < 1200524196 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That's a totally retarded idea CATS ARE FLUFFY < 1200524207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are :) < 1200524218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rice: awesome puppy < 1200524220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :book < 1200524244 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, this nick is MINE! < 1200524247 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it dropped :D < 1200524253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i actually wrote 'puppy' instead of 'book', although i have to admit i realized it a bit before i pressed return, but had to say it anyway) < 1200524254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how? < 1200524263 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it was last used over a year ago < 1200524268 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i went into #freenode and asked < 1200524271 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a staffer said OK and did it < 1200524273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think i've seen you with that < 1200524275 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :potatoes < 1200524314 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know have a short dictionary word registered as a nick on a large IRC network < 1200524315 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score! < 1200524357 0 :potatoes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION > rice
< 1200524378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1200524385 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do too! < 1200524389 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just deleted the objdir halfway through building something, thinking it had finished but not built what I wanted < 1200524402 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: which word? < 1200524406 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax < 1200524410 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200524672 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ddj.com/web-development/184416221 this person seems very bitter about ruby < 1200524773 0 :potatoes!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1200524787 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. I used to think I was indecisive, b < 1200524815 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be awesome < 1200524824 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was an irc bot controlling a music player daemon < 1200524833 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.musicpd.org/ < 1200524836 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1200524880 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be able to queue up songs in #test radio anyway < 1200524914 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. Music Player Daemon is something else.. < 1200525305 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can somebody point me to an online BF string generator? < 1200525328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Foobar < 1200525359 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++><<<<-]>.>-..>.-.<+++. [83] < 1200525362 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sweet- egobot is working again < 1200525620 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1200525664 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :118 +++++++++++[>++++++>++++>+++++++++>+++<<<<-]>++++++.>>++.+++++++..+++.<.>>-.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+. [839] < 1200525677 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1200525819 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200525823 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200525918 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm. < 1200525923 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#devnonsense :D < 1200525933 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1200525934 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200525960 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200525962 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait. < 1200526065 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200526160 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200526451 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200526586 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200526590 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200526678 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200526745 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200526828 0 :devnonsense!n=rbirc@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200526840 0 :devnonsense!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200527413 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200530294 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200530437 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1200530525 0 :rice!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1200530589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1200530591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT THIS NICK BACK < 1200530600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIN < 1200530601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200530605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOSE < 1200530616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK the only nick I need now is Z < 1200530624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can have if the guy using it changes nicks (he doesn't own it) < 1200530635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Register it and ghost him. < 1200530653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't.. he's online with it, duh < 1200530657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be dropped. < 1200530665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But: not identified. < 1200530669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can be dropped. < 1200530672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1200530720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they appear to be either < 1200530723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-asleep < 1200530723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a bot < 1200530747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in #wikipedia-nl < 1200531903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try getting it while you sleep, sounds like a fun objective < 1200531933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn books are long < 1200532616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok, just go into #freenode, then /whois Z every now and then < 1200532618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're gone < 1200532619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick Z < 1200532623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask for it to be transferred < 1200532625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, tomorrow < 1200532626 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no-one called X, but you'd probably be auto-klined for that ;) < 1200532629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me the password < 1200532634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: reserved. < 1200532643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you will just steal it yourself won't you :P < 1200532932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i can tell! < 1200533395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1200533510 0 :adu!n=andrew@pool-71-126-134-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200533522 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1200533527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1200533537 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm esoteric < 1200533550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you an esoteric programmer. < 1200533555 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1200533564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from /whois you are a programmer < 1200533570 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing I wrote was in perl, so I guess not < 1200533572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... befunge? brainfuck? unlambda? underload? intercal? < 1200533575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perl counts < 1200533588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list pick one. < 1200533593 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a Funge-98 interpreter in perl once... < 1200533603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That counts. < 1200533625 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got the AB-YZ importing quite right tho < 1200533626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 even counts as good taste. ;) < 1200533635 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200533676 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really liked funge-space < 1200533700 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was almost like it was a multidimensional array indexed by a polynomial < 1200533715 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like polynomials < 1200533739 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries about (1, 0) != (1, 0, 0) < 1200533911 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a thing as programmer burnout? < 1200533923 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1200533952 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you find something new and start again < 1200533962 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where one feel the futility of typing any keys that are not going to bring humanity any closer to a future without typing? < 1200534097 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for awhile I thought all data could be described by AttributedDefaultList's < 1200534117 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: whats new for you? < 1200534135 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: I mean it sounds like you burned-out, what did you find? < 1200534206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-klined? < 1200534208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's check < 1200534213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erroneous < 1200534252 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, a few times.. lisp earlier I guess, type theory now < 1200534303 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya! Type Theory rocks! < 1200534355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i won't steal it, just as awesome if i know the owner as it is owning it < 1200534377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: hehe < 1200534380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless there's money involved, in which case i'd have to know you more closely ;)) < 1200534401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-letter nicks: the best way to gain popularity < 1200534410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200534422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find stuff like that inherently awesome. < 1200534445 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what? < 1200534454 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :^ < 1200534459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: short nicks in a big network < 1200534461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that < 1200534462 0 :^!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, owned < 1200534464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200534469 0 :^!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1200534477 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1200534485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i got "o", i'd prolly use that one < 1200534493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for obvious reasons < 1200534543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to continue the book, kinda lame not finishing books in one go < 1200534544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1200534549 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented an esolang! I think < 1200534604 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of eso .. anyway but the damn self intepreter doesn't work < 1200534628 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have to write a debugger -_- < 1200534636 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a lang based on AttributedDefaultLists's < 1200534933 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI, what I imagine a AttributedDefaultList to be is similar to a hybrid between a python dict and list, and an XML element with those attributes and stuff, only the keys of the attributes are evaluated at runtime, and the values can only be obtained by "getting" the attribute. All elements of a AttributedDefaultList that are not key'ed members are excecuted in order. < 1200535006 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its possible to do something like this: < 1200535007 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if $a then $b else $c) := {True: $b; _: $c}[$a] < 1200535024 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you'd even need functions at all... < 1200535056 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just AttributedDefaultList's :) < 1200535172 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if i should try and implement it < 1200535181 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should < 1200535197 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is utterly baffling :D < 1200535202 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1200535260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is taken < 1200535263 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200535269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z is droppable though. < 1200535302 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :i < 1200535306 0 :i!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwahaha! < 1200535309 0 :i!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adu < 1200535329 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1200535509 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: do you understand the "{True: $b; _: $c}[$a]" part? < 1200535520 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1200535524 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1200535567 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the esolang, and "(if $a then $b else $c)" is just its everyday equivalent < 1200535860 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha, I picked my favorite esolang! < 1200535864 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-D < 1200535896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: which? :D < 1200535904 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Xigxzg related to Zigzag? < 1200535910 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/X-D < 1200535931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: btw < 1200535944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if $a then $b else $c) is {False: $c; _: $b}[$a] < 1200535953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, all non-False things are true in just about everything < 1200535985 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok, whatever, if I make the language you can use {False: $c; _: $b}[$a] however you want! that is the power of AttributedDefaultList's! < 1200536019 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thank you for the technical correction < 1200536032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind blowing < 1200536038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blind mowingh < 1200536076 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you embed AttributedDefaultList's in some existing language? < 1200536080 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1200536182 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easy in python, just subclass both list and defaultdict, and test for int/str in the __getitem__ method < 1200536252 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that will evaluate the values, which is not right... < 1200536254 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200536269 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the values in (key:value) pairs must remain unevaluated... < 1200536292 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about it < 1200536377 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the int/str distinction will also imply that the final implemented would have to require at least two types < 1200536381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: they're basically hash tables. < 1200536385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, if infinite, are functions. < 1200536389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: nothing really revolutionary < 1200536393 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200536457 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can a language with only finite hash tables mimic functions? < 1200536479 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose thats what a turing machine is... n/m < 1200536503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: z is still alive < 1200536533 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish all hash tables looked the same. < 1200536564 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when you're editing a cron tab, or updating a customer database, or passing options to a commandline tool < 1200536568 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many formats < 1200536720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: at least i and ehird have invented that, and i'm fairly sure there are languages out there that have it already :) < 1200536742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the last days i've been thinking about optimizing a pattern-matchable hash-table < 1200536766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a generalization of a hash-table, and infinite hash-table, and a function < 1200536772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty much equivalent.) < 1200536776 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a Haskell-like case statement? < 1200536781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1200536784 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1200536789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1200536800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a haskell-like LAMBDA might be better... < 1200536806 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1200536815 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz that has case builtin < 1200536873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i assume you're bringing case in to get the pattern matching? < 1200536907 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is you (and ehird) who invented my favorite concept!? Many thanks to you, and your ideas < 1200536918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200536923 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200536925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we came up with it independantly < 1200536926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200536927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of my favorite concepts too < 1200536929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1200536965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll go for now. < 1200536968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: make sure to nab Z! < 1200536970 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200536973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1200536976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200537056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also been thinking more about graphs a lot, i think those might be my favorite :P < 1200537061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-moer < 1200537062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1200537065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-more < 1200537079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh btw, did i mention GRAPHICA yet in this conversation? < 1200537086 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs are cool < 1200537091 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1200537101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know haskell? < 1200537116 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a way to super-impose a graph-based filesystem ontop of unix < 1200537129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell first! :D < 1200537138 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I wrote a matrix row-reduction algorithm in Haskell once, I don't remember much... only the basics < 1200537145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1200537156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know how the data works in general < 1200537162 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1200537165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mean the named node tree syntax < 1200537179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List = Head, List | Nil < 1200537195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may not be correct haskell, but you get it, hopefully < 1200537235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have a bnf-like description of an object, where a left side leads into a right side which again contains modes that are branched to < 1200537243 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1200537244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "wtf" if i'm not making sense < 1200537247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1200537258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this only allows for trees < 1200537267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i was thinking, why not expand it a bit < 1200537276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in graphica, you can pass parameters to the nodes < 1200537289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a namespace global to each graph object < 1200537301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, here comes the interesting part < 1200537308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the part i found interesting enough to implement it < 1200537317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can name nodes as you go < 1200537337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you happen to name a node with a name that's already been used < 1200537349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is considered the same node as earlier < 1200537357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning you can carry stuff around and "loop back" < 1200537374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for finite graphs, i find it a very interesting way to create graphs < 1200537391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ refactor a bit to get only one "graphs" there < 1200537401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get it? i'd love to show code ;) < 1200537421 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphica in {graphic design firm, Mathematica package, graffiti website}? < 1200537455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a back...something from graphs + Mathematica < 1200537457 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1200537458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200537468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something you've seen published? < 1200537487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only spoken about it here and on another chan, basically < 1200537536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p632626363.txt examples! < 1200537547 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, I was wondering which Graphica you were talking about < 1200537560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one of my own < 1200537567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you haven't heard about, ever < 1200537588 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1200537597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newer version has lists too, so those could be simplified a bit < 1200537621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: names a node into the graph namespace < 1200537629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-> makes a connection < 1200537633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do <- and -> < 1200537644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := is redirection of node creation < 1200537658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do stuff like default parameters < 1200537667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without making an additional node. < 1200537718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me if you get any of that, it's always nice to get comments < 1200537914 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200537923 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading about 20 languages right now < 1200537946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm interpreting about two meanings right now < 1200537978 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theres this one programming language I wish I could remember what it was called < 1200537999 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1200538205 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was declarative < 1200538235 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I remember about it was that there was a presentation about it in which he started off with 3 built-in objects, copied them and made new objects < 1200538481 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really cool < 1200538485 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1200538517 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyways, its not that important < 1200538529 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to show you, becasue I thought you might like it < 1200538606 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 built-in objects... t ::= v | t t | λv.t ? < 1200538679 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they were things like Identity, Link, and Variable or something < 1200539280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make a language based on Nonsense, Nothing and Never < 1200539302 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of them take arguments? < 1200539306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never is obviously the looping construct < 1200539310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1200539313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they functions? < 1200539331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is the basic object < 1200539338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense is how you make structures < 1200539349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overall, it's a very weird language < 1200539355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll continue coding now ;) < 1200539373 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that idea < 1200539403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, i'm just afraid i'm inventing another nopol < 1200539421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nopol is a language based on no-operation) < 1200539433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically. < 1200539463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a weird system of multiple interpreters of nop lists, each executing the next < 1200539471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing does nothing < 1200539475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh, i love my languages < 1200539480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW i'll continue -> < 1200539514 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never could be some sort of constraints system < 1200539522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1200539531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense is what makes it kinda weird ;) < 1200539542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is undoubtedly the most interesting sounding < 1200539571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this is *the language where a program states every program it is not* < 1200539577 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is nopol turing-complete? < 1200539593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: nopol, unfortunately, is far from ready < 1200539612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concepts of it are very weird, i see no direct connection to any existing language < 1200539622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lists though, so probably. < 1200539715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas in most languages, you can only unnest to a certain degree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[] -> [[]] -> [], in nopol, negative nesting lists are possible!) < 1200539721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1200539733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did that wikipedia article come from. < 1200539736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[] < 1200539737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1200539741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [ [ ] ] ] < 1200539746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i tried to type < 1200539757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love these *intelligent* clients <3 < 1200540131 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200540140 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it < 1200540156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find what? < 1200540163 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something short like "clean" or "pure" or "small" or "codeless" or something < 1200540171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean? < 1200540184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a haskell-like, iirc < 1200540509 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1200540622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_(programming_language) < 1200540630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"based on graph rewriting" < 1200540648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was fearing i'd bump into graph rewriting some day :< < 1200540863 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it! < 1200540870 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it! found it! found it! < 1200540875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooool < 1200540877 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its called 'subtext' < 1200540906 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://subtextual.org/ < 1200540910 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200541015 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200541285 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways, we all know that graphs are representable as a set of triples (see W3C's RDF if you are not convinced), so the idea I had for superimposing a graph structure on a file system was to have a special file (or xattr on the parent dir) that contains a list of tripples (inode, arcName, inode) so that all files in that directory could be part of a graph (and still be within the directory that are in according to VFS). < 1200541335 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my graph-on-VFS idea < 1200541349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i actually "came up with" that exact thing today < 1200541350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1200541355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theoretical aspect of it < 1200541359 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1200541361 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200541371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can simulate any graph using tuples of three < 1200541377 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1200541391 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like you can simulate finite/infinite lists with pairs ;) < 1200541403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200541415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1200541432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs are triples in scheme < 1200541437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider them graphically < 1200541448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there's one "in" and two "outs" < 1200541448 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1200541454 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1200541465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1200541471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a *parent* < 1200541485 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, doubly-linked-lists < 1200541488 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic now < 1200541489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can only go one direction inside a list, but a scheme list can represend any tree < 1200541497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*represent < 1200541500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1200541501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any graph < 1200541515 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, all trees can be represented as binary trees < 1200541516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, i fail a bit here < 1200541528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually point to a pair any times, of course < 1200541535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so makes no sense to call it a triple. < 1200541545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could just call it a pair... :D < 1200541556 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense :) < 1200541568 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first you were starting to convince me that 2 == 3 < 1200541575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200541577 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200541610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just thinking... it's a bit different from triples as in "nodes with three connections", since with pairs it's "nodes with 2 connections out, and any number of connections in" < 1200541643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer is a one-directional link to another node < 1200541648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have two of those links in a pair. < 1200541675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what i'm trying to say here, was hoping i'd hit something profound, but didn't, and kept blabbering ;) < 1200542065 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 3 most important structures to have are Trees Tables and Graphs. < 1200542091 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since unix already has trees (VFS) and tables (CSV), the only thing left is to superimpose graphs... < 1200542103 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why I tried to fit them together :) < 1200542121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables as in what? < 1200542127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, relations < 1200542140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those thingies in dbs < 1200542143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :db's < 1200542160 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well db's, and like /etc/fstab < 1200542191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, databases are basically sets < 1200542231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything should be reduced to graphs really < 1200542232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1200542236 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1200542240 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when you consider 'sort' all files are sets :) < 1200542278 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no you need tables too, otherwise you would have to make them anyways to ensure rectangularity < 1200542330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rectangularity? < 1200542338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prolly know the concept < 1200542342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the term < 1200542361 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like {{1,2},{3,4}} is rectangular, but {{1}, {2, 3, 4}} is not < 1200542381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that kinda tables < 1200542389 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1200542404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant something like orthogonality < 1200542425 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which when you consider types (which don't exist in UNIX text), then you can interpret them as DB tables as well, if all elements in a given column are of the same type < 1200542432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think has some meaning when it comes to databases. < 1200542438 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ZigZag-type orthogonality? < 1200542455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about functional dependencies < 1200542472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminology is goddamn robust < 1200542475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything means everything < 1200542481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is everything < 1200542483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing < 1200542485 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1200542492 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets write a manifesto about it! :) < 1200542508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1200542523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make an esolang out of it! < 1200542524 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr.. I dont want to write a debugger < 1200542540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything is everything" is actually my official oklotalk phrase < 1200542554 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200542567 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that would work < 1200542583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything is an object & everything contains all => everything is everything < 1200542592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1200542606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i take it to ridiculous extent in some parts of the language. < 1200542631 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once came up with a model of the universe, only instead of basing things on "Unification" like how an electron and a positron combine to form a photon, but "Separation" as the fundamental action that breaks a photon into an electron and a positron < 1200542659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i understand enough physics. < 1200542681 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if its possible to write a language based on Separation (breaking "Nothing" up), rather than Combination (putting Things together). < 1200542708 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sense? < 1200542710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1200542713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1200542721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NNN is back on the table! < 1200542722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see < 1200542729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Nothing that's split < 1200542732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Nonsense < 1200542746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense is the *all combinations* object < 1200542750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge mess of course! < 1200542771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and something really poetic < 1200542775 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you break "Nothing" into pieces like for example along the "Bit" dimension, then we get two things from that separation("Bit" and "Not Bit"), and we all know that all computation can be represented by this :) < 1200542776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and there's the esolang! < 1200542787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200542806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200542816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1200542829 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could separate again Sep("Bit" along "Truth") = {"True", "False"} < 1200542856 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really doesn't matter which is which as long as you give each part of a separation a name < 1200542860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...could there be Nonsense? < 1200542877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs nonsense
< 1200542882 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200542897 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call things whatever you want < 1200542947 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call the root object "Unity", but you can call it "Nothing" they're equivalent when you're talking about the root of everything (which is the same as nothing if you haven't made that distinction yet) < 1200542997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recombine, or is there just some serious entanglement? < 1200543005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer the latter, for it sounds less boring < 1200543015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't exactly know what it would mean . < 1200543024 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think that is far down the road < 1200543054 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think there is a way of deriving the concept of "Inverse function" and once you have that concept, then Combine = InverseFunction[Sep] < 1200543097 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separation is like a tree < 1200543112 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how far up the tree you are they may or may not be the same thing < 1200543146 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you Can recombine after several separations, it would end up being more like a graph than a tree I think. < 1200543186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all i can think of is graphica < 1200543190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200543207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm fairly incestous about my projects) < 1200543295 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200543354 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, i'm getting tired < 1200543368 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll be on this weekend, and we can talk about graphica again < 1200543374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200543389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have a new obsession then, this new thing seems quite interesting < 1200543398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cya < 1200543455 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what new thing? < 1200543479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a programming language < 1200543484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some graphical thingie < 1200543502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a program for representing tree operations graphically < 1200543506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with happy bouncing balls! < 1200543551 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200543553 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l8r < 1200543560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obsession can of course only be a programming language, but you never know what you invent when playing with stuff like this < 1200543564 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200543570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, byes < 1200543582 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1200543589 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200544512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200545538 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Hi? < 1200545672 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1200545759 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have read, To Mock A Mockingbird?? < 1200545927 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it. < 1200545939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only read two chapters so far. < 1200546003 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write any program to solve the "Make X out of A B C" puzzles? < 1200546037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I did the puzzle by hand. < 1200546042 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And failed, but oh well < 1200546047 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1200546091 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a program in my break but it wasn't complete < 1200546158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, how the fuck did i ever program in python... you can't do *anything* without first-class continuations < 1200546196 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder that about anyone who writes in python :P < 1200546212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200546236 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an interesting program to write though.. < 1200546250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, generators are okay, it's just feels kinda stupid hacking something with them when you are just simulating call/cc in an awkward manner < 1200546267 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the complexity is grows so steep) < 1200546269 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I don't know what a first class continuation is! < 1200546280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I might feel self conscious when coding < 1200546310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm trying to do is: i have a sorting algo, a tree structure and a main loop < 1200546340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should run the sorting function, and every time it changes the tree, the tree should return to the main loop, which would tell it when to return to the sorting algo again < 1200546358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may realize why i'm having problems. < 1200546374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or come up with a trivial solution, quickly, tell me) < 1200546415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mutations of the tree should be shown on the screen, which is why the main loop. < 1200546439 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would use call-with-current-continuation for that < 1200546486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems impossible to do that, while separating 1. the algo 2. the main loop 3. the actual tree 4. the graphical tree with movements < 1200546520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc it's trivial to hack up some fucked up shit (if that's the correct term for it) < 1200546552 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a fantastic quote :) < 1200546552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no problem if i just altered the topmost tree < 1200546568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, i need to get subtrees, and traverse through them and all :\ < 1200546579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... the LazyList will become HUGGGGGGGGGGGGE < 1200546585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic? thanks :) < 1200546603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty fantastilicious < 1200546719 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the OISC on the Love Machine 9000 will be something like [space][ bunch of 1's][space][ bunch of 1's][space][ bunch of 1's]... < 1200546766 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly two symbols for describing input and outpub < 1200546926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERESTING FACT: 9000 is pronounced "nain tausönd" in finnish, and "nain" means "i fuck" < 1200546929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence? < 1200546939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is full of love. < 1200546948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1200546972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pretty much every english words is something naught in finnish < 1200546999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*naughty < 1200547032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 oklopol ? < 1200547047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1200547057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to put oklopol in partitive < 1200547061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nain oklopolia" < 1200547067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then* you're fucking me < 1200547150 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1200547172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1200547183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Love Machine 9 Oklopolia :o < 1200547188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200547198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, in that case, it's not "nain", it's "nai" < 1200547216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Oklopolia has 3 o's, so it's good to replace 000 < 1200547227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens to be lojban for a kind of "no" < 1200547236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200547295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slereah the Love Machine: 9 oklopolia" could definitely be a gay porn flick title though. < 1200547308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it's ...I-tive again < 1200547319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I-tive is the form where "I" is the subject) < 1200547335 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Turing would be proud that his creation serves the purpose of gay sex even today. < 1200547351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he would! < 1200547382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call...cc...i.....need......asfdasdf < 1200547392 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always seems weird to me. Turing seems to be the only famous gay scientist without going back to antiquity. < 1200547483 0 :immibis_!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200547554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinion that completely differs from everything we know about psychology: homosexuality cannot be born with, all sexualities "grow on you" given enough exposure; the super geniuses are too busy thinking to build up a "deviance", where deviance is something different from the main stream sexuality < 1200547583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stand firmly behind that ridiculous assertion! < 1200547593 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Turing saved his week ends for deviance building? < 1200547637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200547678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea :\ < 1200547680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to think < 1200547817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, i'd want to use call/cc to send a continuation to the sort function implicitly, so that it'd get passed to the tree functions, which would call/cc the continuation with their own continuation < 1200547823 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess that an entirely nature or an entirely nurture explanation for homosexuality is oversimplifying things. Homosexuality is associated with notably different brain chemistry (for the person's gender), so I'd guess there's an inherited propensity that's either repressed or reinforced based on the person's experiences < 1200547836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be Main -> Sort -> Tree -> Main -> Tree -> Sort -> Tree -> Main -> Tree etc < 1200547864 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many diseases, conditions and other types of deviations work like this. < 1200547871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1200547890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now solve my python problem! < 1200547903 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's helpful to think of sexual orientations and paraphilias as the same thing < 1200547941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, doesn't feel so bad when you realize you have all of them < 1200547989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, people are leaving for school < 1200547994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be morning < 1200548006 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 AM here. < 1200548012 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 6:33 < 1200548015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7:37 here, looks like < 1200548015 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course (bi|pan)sexuality is the perfect state, with no paraphilias :P < 1200548020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaving in one hour and a half < 1200548034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: depends what paraphilia means < 1200548059 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using paraphilia to mean an inability to become sexually aroused without a certain stimulus < 1200548066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1200548087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as "*will* get stimulus also out of certain stimuli" < 1200548107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a more common definition, although i'd rather agree with yours < 1200548124 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt *will* get aroused occurs very often < 1200548146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's say can get aroused. < 1200548154 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your standard gynephile certainly isn't aroused by all women < 1200548159 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: saying pansexuality is a perfect state is analagous to saying that an undifferentiated infant brain is a perfect state. < 1200548190 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1200548190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's like saying a brain with no prejudices is the perfect state < 1200548191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, a matter of opinion about sexuality < 1200548191 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find "perfect" to be more useful in this case when defined as "closest to average" < 1200548220 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect has to be defined as farther than the farthest from average... < 1200548250 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closest to average is equivalent to closest to the intended design, from an evolutionary standpoint. < 1200548252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's perfect, have a medal and some candy! < 1200548265 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200548292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: sure about that? perhaps closest to a local maximum, but i don't think that's necessarily perfect < 1200548294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in non-superficial components < 1200548300 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why "perfect" isn't a very appropriate term here- it brings with it many connotations that don't make any sense in this context < 1200548341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was quite unambiguous, but i also think RodgerTheGreat is always right. < 1200548353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any problem with having contradictory opinions though. < 1200548375 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also you see problems with it! < 1200548398 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the perfect value for the number of legs in a human is of course the average, but the perfect value of facial-hotness is far above average < 1200548433 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... < 1200548435 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my faces with legs on them < 1200548507 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the paper to back myself up here, but some studies I've read suggest that the "ideal" or "perfect" face is in many ways, geometrically, an average of facial variability < 1200548538 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm familiar < 1200548538 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect face can be geometrically defined in terms of the "Golden Ratio" < 1200548576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a pun about the shower with the same name to lighten things up
< 1200548594 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we ignore population distribution of different features, the ideal body image is pretty close to an average, too < 1200548608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200548620 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere between fat and skinny, between short and tall, etc < 1200548623 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a certain feature becomes common, it will cease to be used for sexual selection < 1200548672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm getting there- it's important to recognize that these averages can change over time, and so, accordingly, will this definition of "perfection" < 1200548710 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone is within less than a standard deviation of "perfection" in a feature, for example, it will be naturally less valued < 1200548716 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see where the misunderstanding is < 1200548748 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about an average attractiveness rating, and you were talking about the average distance betweens eyes, etc < 1200548867 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, quantitative averages < 1200548892 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's build the perfect people! < 1200548903 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's my handsaw? < 1200548967 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think plastic surgery is nuanced enough for that just yet < 1200548989 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, wouldn't the availability of perfection cheapen it? < 1200549015 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll only do it for like a bajillion dollars < 1200549116 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing to consider is that most people color their visions of perfection with their own preferences and the preferences that have been instilled in them by mass media, upbringing, etc. There does exist a single ideal, but everyone has their own deviating model for beauty. That's why it's entirely possible for two people to disagree about the attractiveness of someone, with both being correct < 1200549276 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"correct" < 1200549318 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I was saying before, many of the words used here are pretty treacherous because they carry too many implications < 1200549343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's speak in Ithkuil. < 1200549367 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's avoid unnecessary pedantry. < 1200549414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will let you avoid it.
< 1200549428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo. < 1200549450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of a better pun from that? < 1200549471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires one < 1200549477 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "perfect", but that would've been pretty subtle < 1200549533 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get the pun < 1200549536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a related subject, i got my iterator working! < 1200549559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1200549564 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1200549571 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what language? oklotalk? < 1200549577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it works if you have english as your native language < 1200549593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's = let us, tried my best to interpret that as a direct order < 1200549609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: unfortunately just something simple i'm doing in python < 1200549619 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. :( < 1200549646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how functional languages have call/cc, and you actually *need* it most with imperative stuff :D < 1200549653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's my experience < 1200549674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often need to do some kinda collaborative threading when doing computation and drawing at the same time < 1200549690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's the main case. < 1200549712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is pretty imperative < 1200549722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true. < 1200549759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... your mother? < 1200549773 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing < 1200549780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zong < 1200549880 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion, functional languages are pretty and clean looking, but are an *inherently* inefficient way of programming, because they don't work remotely like conventional hardware does. Magical perfect compilers that can optimize in every conceivable fashion could theoretically balance this, but Magical perfect compilers do not exist. I like my imperative languages. < 1200549908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a better right bracket in high Unicode that Firefox supports for punycode than 2046 (right square bracket with quill) < 1200549909 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolangs, they can be quite fun brain exercises, though < 1200549909 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200549943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i don't need efficiency though < 1200549962 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I buy http://,[.,].com, will anybody put content there? :p < 1200549967 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that concept does not fit inside my head < 1200549978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'd be 99bottles except for cats < 1200550003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: why not? how i see it, is computers are so fast nothing can possibly be slow on them :-) < 1200550032 0 :Steik!n=Media@wikia/Wassily-Steik JOIN :#esoteric < 1200550040 0 :Steik!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200550043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:That's what I thought! < 1200550054 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until I ran some LazyBird program < 1200550061 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, ow. My brain is hurting. Everything I've ever learned about algorithms and programming fights this concept < 1200550068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200550084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, sorry, i'll try to be less mentally violent < 1200550098 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to sleep. 'later, folks < 1200550103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``m``s``bs``b`s``c``b``c`t`k0ki#``c``bc``c``bc``b`ci`k.xri``c``bb``sii``b``c``bc``b`bc``c``bc``b`bb``cb``b`bttkii``b`m``sbi``sb`m``sbi < 1200550103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nights < 1200550116 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200550116 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes minutes upon minutes to display! < 1200550130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it do? < 1200550173 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints 20 *, then 19, then 18, and so on. The program stops after 1. < 1200550349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it when trivial stuff takes ages < 1200550363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really feel you're giving your machine a task < 1200550367 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much... ((^x.xx)(^xy.(y is zero) (v)(y(print *)(xx predy)))n < 1200550391 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where v is the unlambda v. < 1200550400 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except it's # in the code) < 1200550417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much like that? so i'll just check what that does, get the general picture and guess the rest? < 1200550434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for a week, i'll look < 1200550439 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200550457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have the thing written in lambda-for-lazy-bird somewhere < 1200550509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's y? < 1200550514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200550515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1200550517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200550527 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to be replaced by n. < 1200550538 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, ehird` isn't here to encourage me to buy ,].com :P < 1200550550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buybuybubyubybuy!!!!!! < 1200550566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will YOU put content there? < 1200550574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be full of lolcats and cat's in different langs! < 1200550579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I WILL < 1200550584 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of content do you want! < 1200550595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CATS MAYBE? DID I SUGGEST THAT YET? < 1200550613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a cat, they're awesome < 1200550645 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking ... y'know ... stuff about BF :P < 1200550658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``m^x^y``````s`o`k`k0`kky#```y.xri``xx```s``s`ks``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`ks``s`k`s`kkk`k``s`k`s`k`s`k`si``s`k`s`k`s``s`ksk``s`k`s`k`s`kk``s`k`s`kkk`k`kk`k`k`kiy^f^x`f`f`f`fx < 1200550664 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a vaguely lambda version < 1200550676 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's probably not a working one < 1200550717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ok then, brainfuck cat programs < 1200550722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1200550733 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it will be a short website < 1200550739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200550739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks his cat suggestion doesn't work as supposed
< 1200550745 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, the content is in the adress! < 1200550772 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ⁆ acceptable? < 1200550784 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the closest I can get to ] that works (at least in FFox) < 1200550790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see that < 1200550795 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can. < 1200550800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200550805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible cats! < 1200550810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a visible bike! < 1200550846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Get a better IRC client :P < 1200550860 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work in Konq, but Konq doesn't seem to support Punycode at all (this version) < 1200550863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just changed again :) < 1200550873 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN CHANGE SOME MOAR < 1200550890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'm man enough < 1200550903 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... are you BAD ENOUGH A DUDE? < 1200550913 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you TOO TOUGH FOR HELL TO CONTAIN? < 1200550925 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you will be, at last Hell will play fair. < 1200550928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is scared
< 1200550996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody with Opera, IE or Safari go to ،⁆.com and see what happens? < 1200551218 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp chirp* < 1200551242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*woof woof* < 1200551265 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*glob glob* < 1200551265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Have an alternate browser? < 1200551277 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could start opera.... < 1200551293 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even one other browser agreeing would be nice :P < 1200551327 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he URL http://،⁆.com contains characters that are not valid in the location they are found. < 1200551334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200551352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox gives the same error < 1200551373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, it works fine for me in FFox < 1200551378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must not have copied properly. < 1200551380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec. < 1200551401 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1200551414 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i did the thing it didn't wor < 1200551432 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i did the other thing it did, but echoed it as "www.xn--ufb245k.com" < 1200551438 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. < 1200551448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Opera? < 1200551464 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that to me in Firefox < 1200551474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, firefox < 1200551478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already tested it in FFox, it works there ;P < 1200551594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in Imagination Land! < 1200551613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you both just confirmed that it works. < 1200551651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1200551656 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kudos then < 1200551812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solid state physics exam in one hour :( < 1200551837 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people and your physical universe. < 1200551939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of it as a gigantic game of Life! < 1200552050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english class in 7 hours :( < 1200552078 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not fear Englsih < 1200552087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS class in 2 months :( < 1200552091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although tht typo makes it look stupid < 1200552096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaargh < 1200552103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me cunt spoll :((( < 1200552109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in 200 hours :< < 1200552115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you people! < 1200552119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more like 100, but anyways) < 1200552129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200552136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR kinda pwned me < 1200552153 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200552159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't doing anything winter term :P
< 1200552161 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school is stupid < 1200552180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for buying random brainfuck-themed web pages of course :P < 1200552187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or considering it anyway) < 1200552207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a full-day job < 1200552358 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Kolmogorov machine, do the vertex contains symbols? < 1200552359 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :slereah_ < 1200552361 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :slereah__ < 1200552881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah__: i don't think so < 1200552896 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It be melting my brain < 1200552900 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you Andrey! < 1200552928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang page description sounds awfully close to graphica... < 1200552960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case that's what it's equivalent to, i consider it pretty advanced though. < 1200552978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i haven't yet implemented the rewriting part) < 1200554185 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if I bought this BF-themed domain name, nobody would put anything there. < 1200554188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not buying it. < 1200554214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200554220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being too rational < 1200554248 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have four domain names .... that's $40/yr 8-O < 1200554279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's not about money < 1200554284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about being spontaneous < 1200554289 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, give me $5! :P < 1200554829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera can't handle it anyway :( < 1200556767 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200556799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200556800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200557214 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I can get a C-ish domain :P < 1200559299 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ok, who cut the cable on akamai?" < 1200567122 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 0 domain names. < 1200567137 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... $0, approximatively < 1200567634 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything with an example of the execution of a Kogloglo machine? < 1200567645 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest I can find is the wiki article with the pointer machines < 1200567683 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Glook machine is apparently poorly documented on the interweb. < 1200569422 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200574692 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200574693 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200574894 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-144-115.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200575660 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200575664 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200576761 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200576776 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200578282 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.86.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200578915 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-233-27.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200578929 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1200578986 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1200578994 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So RodgerTheGreat, how tall are you? < 1200579038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask? < 1200579082 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see how great you are! < 1200579101 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5'11" < 1200579129 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think you're using the wrong definition of "great" there < 1200579136 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I? < 1200579144 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware! < 1200579208 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(the Great) a title denoting the most important person of the name. ex: Alexander the Great" < 1200579249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky for me, "Rodger" isn't a tremendously common name, so I don't have as much competition as some people < 1200579312 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None that Wikipedia can find! < 1200579342 0 :ehird!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200579401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: get Z? < 1200579471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, nope < 1200579621 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200579974 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-134.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200580185 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200580227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to work on the underload->c compiler! < 1200580287 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200580476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Slereah. < 1200580479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1200580506 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a big fan of C. < 1200580515 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do'nt know much of Underload < 1200580568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is digestible in a few minutes < 1200580572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the compiler isn't written in C < 1200580573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200580619 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you must translate it to C! < 1200580726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... but it's very simple :P < 1200580812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the... second attempt at the Love Machine 9000 was a LV9->C compiler < 1200580822 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But boy was I in for a disappointment! < 1200581056 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200581097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is simple. < 1200582736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200582814 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very used to stacks < 1200582906 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1200582909 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lulz < 1200583438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll explain that to you: < 1200583446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code [stackelement,stackelement,...,top] < 1200583454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS [] < 1200583472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::aSS [:aSS] (...) just pushes what's in it to the stack, like a string < 1200583485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aSS [:aSS,:aSS] : duplicates < 1200583490 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200583501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SS [:aSS,(:aSS)] 'a' wraps the top string on the stack in parens. < 1200583518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S [:aSS] we output the top, and pop it. (:aSS), that is < 1200583524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] we output the top, and pop it. :aSS, that is < 1200583529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: we outputted "(:aSS):aSS" < 1200583535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is our code, ergo we have a quine! < 1200583542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: got that? < 1200583622 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1200583629 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one stack? < 1200583646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1200583656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It's turing complete by way of ^ < 1200583673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll step you through (:^):^ < 1200583689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ [:^] we push the stuff in parens to the stack < 1200583698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ [:^,:^] duplicate < 1200583714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ [:^] pop an element off the stack, and place it after the current instruction < 1200583721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ [:^,:^] duplicate < 1200583723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ [:^] pop an element off the stack, and place it after the current instruction < 1200583724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1200583757 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1200583772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: now combined with 'a' to enclose the top element in parens, and * to concatentate the top two elements together, and you make kinda-self-modifying-stuff-thingies to do loops etc < 1200583864 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love the self interpreter. < 1200584242 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for pen and paper programming. < 1200584256 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the table, unary OISC :O < 1200584369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I substract a negative value, should it add? < 1200584602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200584817 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume negative adress locations should be treated as errors? < 1200584919 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200584929 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-030.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200586303 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200587011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine is a poor device for arithmetic. < 1200588101 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working with unary isn't that bad < 1200588167 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly the travel on the tape to one adress to the other for substraction that bothers me < 1200588255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Now that I think of it, instead of copying the code on a second tape to avoid losing some stuff while working on it, I could just replace 1's with some symbol to mean that they've been used. < 1200588469 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. That's how we learned to use TMs in my formal models of computation class < 1200588481 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually worked exclusively with single-tape machines < 1200588558 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually start big programs on two tapes. < 1200588563 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or moar < 1200588569 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then try to reduce it to one. < 1200588629 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if you're using an alternate notation, but I think single-tape is really the easiest to read < 1200588662 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Brainfuck on three tapes was really easy. < 1200588697 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike that one tape thingy! http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/BRAINFUCK%20INTERPRETER%20ON%20A%20ONE.htm < 1200588714 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some half-working version, but I should finish it someday < 1200588752 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like DoubleFuck < 1200588870 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, that's nifty < 1200589172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On three tapes, I didn't even need markers, apart for the bracket-markers! < 1200589183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just code-memory-counter < 1200589636 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's rather missing the point of a turing machine, eh? < 1200589692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not of a LOVE MACHINE < 1200591087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200591735 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200591741 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200591764 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200592486 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-63.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200592681 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea : Objective programming language. < 1200592692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to figure out what command A = A could be. < 1200593558 0 :adu!n=andrew@h-74-0-42-102.mclnva23.covad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200593739 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1200593799 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1200593923 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm learning about factor < 1200594079 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200594110 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: ok... < 1200594155 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong channel < 1200594157 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200594173 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: has oklopol talked to you about "Graphica"? < 1200594216 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200594217 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200594217 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200594267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: sorry, i slept pretty much all day :) < 1200594296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when my friends start going to school, i lol at them and take 12 hours of sleep! < 1200594322 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's because of that? < 1200594328 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have narcolepsia < 1200594338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200594344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just laziness < 1200594371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fully awake at 12.00 (now 20:29), and 17:00 at least < 1200594388 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hehe me2 < 1200594390 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky you! < 1200594401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know, "so... irc... or continue fucking chicks in my dreams" < 1200594406 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: its snowing in DC, so I didn't goto work today < 1200594418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200594421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise choise! < 1200594445 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Go on IRC, and have cybersex! < 1200594448 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't feel like that was very revealing, since my domain name probably has ".dc." in it somewhere...
< 1200594469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once had cybersex on irc, not as fun as you'd think xD < 1200594473 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200594475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone sex is even worse < 1200594487 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had cybersex in IRC, only in AIM ;) < 1200594510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more fun, since you get vid < 1200594522 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I regret starting this topic. < 1200594536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1200594575 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my favorite esolang! < 1200594581 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-D < 1200594601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bah, you and your dreams < 1200594606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1200594612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite os < 1200594623 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1200594627 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favoirite schduling system < 1200594633 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haiku <- my favorite OS < 1200594639 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or management style, orwhatever < 1200594649 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColorForth <- my favorite OS < 1200594651 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1200594654 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200594668 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Chuck "and application should be 2-4k" Moore < 1200594670 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP <- Really, I'm starting to regret switching to Linux < 1200594671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1200594692 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be BeOS if it wasn't disolved when Palm bought it, but Haiku is the closest thing to BeOS that still exists, so thats why it is my favorite < 1200594693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of offtopic nonsense. < 1200594699 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200594725 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of esoteric programming and sometimes offtopic nonsense when we aren't discu < 1200594725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: have you seen Emoticon, a similar lang < 1200594739 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said that? < 1200594740 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of esoteric programming and sometimes offtopic nonsense when we aren't discussing esoteric programming < 1200594743 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who regrets switching to Linux has something wrong in their head < 1200594752 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are disadvantages < 1200594759 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. sound drivers < 1200594766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like the fact windows worked better < 1200594769 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, sound "systems" < 1200594790 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when has Windows every worked better than linux? < 1200594793 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsa and esd on one machine play together poorly < 1200594802 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far back as I remember linux has always worked better < 1200594810 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: when I want to use excel < 1200594812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: my windows worked better than my linux. < 1200594837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i've tried only one linux installation, so not that fair. < 1200594845 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1200594851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu < 1200594858 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya! < 1200594861 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choice! < 1200594867 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version? < 1200594876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipper < 1200594883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ther right word starting with F < 1200594887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1200594896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feisty fucker < 1200594999 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Problem is, nothing works < 1200594999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, my mouse started lagging suddenly, started taking longer and longer lag pauses, and finally stopped moving... only way to resolve was to press reset :D < 1200595039 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I agree, and Vista makes it even worse < 1200595052 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try killing and restarting X? < 1200595056 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I was refering to Linux. < 1200595075 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably doing it wrong, but I can't get most things to work. < 1200595092 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, making things work is what commercial Linuxes are for < 1200595096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, sometimes when i open vlc or a python program using pygame, the screen makes a loud clicking sounds and becomes a rainbow of screen fragments... basically the screen is divided into a thousand rectangles, which are scrambled around randomly < 1200595099 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the big organised ones < 1200595113 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Kubuntu qualify as commercial? < 1200595122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the machine just reboots automatically < 1200595142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, sometimes, the screen just goes black and there's an "X" in the middle < 1200595169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: by pressing ctrl+alt+backspace? how did you do that again < 1200595182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, restarting X == restarting the computer < 1200595189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it closes programs < 1200595237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't count the different kinds of rebooting, then there's of course the 5 minute lag pauses every now and then :D < 1200595261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat did that all the time, but that happens for other stuff too < 1200595296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there was this log i was supposed to check to see why it reboots... there's never anything there :D < 1200595320 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1200595353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of this may be my fault, but that's a bit beside the point, since i didn't have problems with XP. < 1200595373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i might try another distro before changing back < 1200595412 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can you "cat | tee | grep" in XP? < 1200595435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "tee"? < 1200595459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't < 1200595497 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat file1 | tee file2 | cmd3"
takes file1, coppies it to file2, then passes it onto cmd3 < 1200595525 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really nice for saving intermediate results in long pipe-commands < 1200595538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1200595576 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "sort Unsorted.txt | tee Sorted.txt | grep Keyword > SortedWithKeyword.txt" < 1200595590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never liked the idea of a sequential file; think oses should consider files an object. < 1200595602 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1200595611 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to less separation between models < 1200595657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's my reason for not being that happy about linux' io features, i think it's still pretty primitive < 1200595667 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all models should be part of a single model, where each model can be both restricted (take methods away), and exposed (add more methods) < 1200595674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compared to okloOS!) < 1200595687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200595687 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this OkloOS! < 1200595692 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I pay money for it! < 1200595693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200595698 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite examples are integers < 1200595718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i'll first make oklotalk, then okloOS :) < 1200595739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will the OSKLOSOS be like! < 1200595787 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many views and models of integers, there is the BoundedInteger model (which maps to a BitArray), then there is the BitArray model itself, then there is UnboundedInteger (which maps to a subset of the Reals, and BitArrays could be described by List (where lists have even more methods, like sorting)... and so on < 1200595792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk's stdlib doesn't easily allow you to consider files as streams anyway, so i was thinking why not just make an underlying os that let's you store any kind of object as a file < 1200595821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: what do you mean "part of a single model"? < 1200595825 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you could combine the models different systems have for integers and bitarrays, then the metamodel that allows you to do that would have so many applications < 1200595843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that there would be a separation between the theory and th practise < 1200595860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have a declarative definition for an integer, and different implementations? < 1200595866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean < 1200595875 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ZODB does that < 1200595899 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you familiar with OOP? < 1200595908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200595914 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model == class < 1200595920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1200595926 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metamodel == metaclass < 1200595935 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model == class == metaobject < 1200595946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1200595947 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metamodel == metaclass == meta-meta-object < 1200595959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200595965 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure object-base FSes have been done already < 1200595977 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I find the most odd is that OMG defines 4 levels, then says "there are no others" < 1200595982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, that doesn't make me want to make my own. < 1200595986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200595990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a negation there < 1200596079 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ZODB is a library for Python in which all you have to do is subclass Persistant, and all you modifications to that object are stored in a DB < 1200596137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1200596228 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean by "part of a single model" is that (char *), GString, QString, KString, Haskell's [Char], Python's str(), and perl scalars, should all be subclasses of a more general String class in some language that supports each of these languages as a module. < 1200596295 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that sounds Java/.Net-ish, but it is where we are headed anyways, since so many people are doing it < 1200596408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, everyting should be an oklobject < 1200596421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also called a "thing") < 1200596434 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200596443 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oklopol, you and your oklo-everything! < 1200596462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)) < 1200596495 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally speaking, the tendancy is to start anew with a fresh taxonomy, and this is exactly why we have so many taxonomies < 1200596620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. but conversions between types aren't exactly hard to do... < 1200596633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal Uniting Language < 1200596650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that specifies conversions between types < 1200596651 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I've been trying to do is find some way of "importing" current taxonomies under a single root, thus acheiving an ad-hoc version of a single model < 1200596651 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways its something to think about :) < 1200596665 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if you are converting between a MySQL database and an HTML form. < 1200596682 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then its hard < 1200596727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, luckily, i don't care about stuff like this, i just koed :) < 1200596741 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "koed"? < 1200596825 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m igtg < 1200596825 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200597328 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200597329 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that could be fun < 1200597401 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooot < 1200597463 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tooke the best of all languages, you would have a language in which you could both (1)put IO operations anywhere without affecting the type of the function (as in C#) and (2)be able to prove that a function has no IO operations just be looking at its type < 1200597505 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it would be fully strict and fully lazy < 1200597548 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would have an OO system as powerful as CLISP's yet as simple as Smalltalk's < 1200597597 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have the dynamic capabilities of ruby with the static provability of epigram < 1200597601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1200597604 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I am getting at < 1200597607 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1200597617 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having things is a feature too < 1200597631 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means some things cannot be combined sensibly < 1200597637 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1200597658 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, many things can be sensibly combined < 1200597685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YOU MEAN HASKELL < 1200597690 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200597711 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have easily-used mixed-type lists < 1200597748 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no way to attempt to cast types to typeclasses < 1200597766 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't ask "is this an instance of Ord?" < 1200597875 0 :ehird!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200597888 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1200597934 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back little man < 1200597941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1200597950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of offtopic nonsense when we aren't discussing esoteric programming < 1200597954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed the topic for y'all < 1200597962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200597971 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :What is the title of this topic? < 1200597975 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixd < 1200597991 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, input it in IRP :o < 1200598136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRPv4[L@< < 1200598139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated syntax. < 1200598149 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lulwut? < 1200599235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wutlul < 1200599317 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Kooglomooh book that contains a description of the Andrey machine? < 1200599478 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the one I found is $309, I'd better make sure it's the one I want! < 1200600208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAOCP costs like �150 over here < 1200600210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 3 volumes. < 1200600286 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most science books are horribly expensive. < 1200600307 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably to make up the fact that no one wants them < 1200600325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want The Art of Computer Programming! :( < 1200600345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw �150 = about $987 nowadays.) < 1200600359 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOWNLOAD IT < 1200600443 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, evenAbebooks doesn't seem to have "On the definition of an algorithm" < 1200600816 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200601506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: not all my dreams are fun and joy though, just remembered another dream when in the basement: so, these two gay guys were having sex in my living room, and i told them to leave, because i had guests coming... they did start to leave, but i noticed the other one had dropped his glans, so i told him to take it with him... well, suddenly it disappeared, and i started looking for it, terrified that i'd not find it and a guest would < 1200601522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, after i had looked for a while, he told me he'd eaten it < 1200601543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you enjoyed that, i sure did! < 1200601548 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was considerate of him. < 1200601575 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try to interpret that dream! < 1200601584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200601603 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repressed homosexuality, and you went to sleep on an empty stomach. < 1200601633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible. < 1200601666 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guests representing your peers. < 1200601675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1200601689 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go secret gayness, and take your cocks with you!' < 1200601697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1200601723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky i don't believe in that stuff < 1200601754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, you'd have to buy tighter pants! < 1200601788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1200601823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the aids is a minus < 1200601848 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you shouldn't catch is! < 1200601849 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t* < 1200601891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be gay without aids?! :ooo this turned my world upside down!! < 1200601899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes looking at personals
< 1200601957 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my story, all about how < 1200601968 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My life got twisted turned upside down < 1200601986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there < 1200601990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air < 1200602045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my words exactly < 1200602081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to implement a red-black tree and watch it wimble and womble! < 1200602426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to pick a language & stick with it < 1200602458 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick a really horrible one that's neither practical or interesting. < 1200602499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can has fermentation! < 1200602623 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1200602682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: poisoning yourself with alcohol agin? < 1200602684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*again < 1200602687 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1200602691 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a gin < 1200602695 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna distill it this time < 1200602707 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have about a gallon of vodka in 2 or so weeks < 1200602771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read http://www.vjn.fi/index.php?a=52 and http://www.vjn.fi/index.php?a=54 for a touching story about the perils of alcohol < 1200602847 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to brush up on my finnish first < 1200602881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in finnish < 1200602896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you read the topic :) < 1200602908 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's certainly not english < 1200602942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there exists also a third language < 1200602982 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some fucking nordic shit < 1200602996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200603019 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuke tu! Ja no ee i last notte sleepet!" - "Fuck you! Yeah, last time i didn't sleep" < 1200603037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1200603046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is simplified english < 1200603057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it has some quite different structures as well < 1200603069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1200603078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language my friend made < 1200603110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/s/$anasto.txt < 1200603115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish - zx3 though < 1200603124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget that < 1200603128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that'll be very helpful to bsmntbombdood < 1200603154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i remember what language that's in :D < 1200603195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumed it was english-zx3 < 1200603321 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i don't have some oak barrels < 1200603335 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i would make bourbon < 1200603337 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe rum < 1200603409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could open an alcohol store < 1200603467 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of it < 1200603473 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a store, but a distillery < 1200603515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, even better < 1200603545 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes.
< 1200603924 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: come to my distillery and i'll hire you < 1200603941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a hard job! :D < 1200604051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to give it a bitta thought < 1200604612 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200604622 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200605756 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American Mathematical Society Translations: Series 2, Volume 29: 12 PAPERS ON LOGIC AND DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS < 1200605761 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be that the right book? < 1200605773 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time finding a description of it < 1200606649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200607023 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-70.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200607069 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200607084 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-70.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200607913 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200608140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHALLENGE < 1200608159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a precedentless infix syntax that does not require parens or special markers to disambiguate ANY expression < 1200608166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you merely have to rearrange the equation < 1200608198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not possible < 1200608232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finefix was my attempt at that < 1200608242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ofc you can't have it fully infix < 1200608248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without adding dummy values < 1200608252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, of course the rules would be crazy < 1200608265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2+3 doesn't even have to do what you expect :P < 1200608269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to prove impossible. < 1200608270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something that is "operand operator operand" < 1200608281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to look like any regular infix < 1200608290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then finefix, i guess. < 1200608312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finefix requires operator duplication < 1200608314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not "operand operator operand" < 1200608316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses postfix-like semantics for situations where you need other than left-to-right precedence < 1200608330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, as i said, that's trivial to prove impossible. < 1200608372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200608380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200608389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love assuming people leaving means "fuck you" < 1200608397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it never does < 1200608439 0 :ehird`!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200608914 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake requires ncurses *why*? < 1200608927 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-4-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200609148 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1200609149 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200609155 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ought to make my magical-golf-site < 1200609173 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like that golf site: shows source length, checks the output by running it in a sandbox, etc < 1200609178 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: other people could add challenges < 1200609182 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the source would be viewable < 1200609192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge #1: compact the source code of the site itself < 1200609192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1200609591 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... nobody likes that idea :( < 1200609665 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, thinking about other things < 1200609963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: fun idea < 1200609980 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it exists but is down right now, and iti sn't as cool < 1200609985 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant' add challenges or view the source < 1200609986 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1200610011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1200610021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the source thing < 1200610028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, was that there, or your idea? < 1200610040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are a lot of pages like that < 1200610522 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200610523 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200610525 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1200610529 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge #1 would be cool < 1200610538 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would run a huge unit test suite on it, < 1200610545 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check the generated html, when parsed, is equivilent < 1200610553 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: update the site to run on it immediately < 1200610559 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe without the update the site immediately part :P < 1200610574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200610592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting to have a site that takes a year to generate. < 1200610611 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1200610638 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200610869 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: of course i'd have to decide what language to write the site in < 1200610873 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm between languages right now < 1200610888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you between? < 1200610922 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many < 1200611123 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just can't decide which i like most for practical things :) < 1200611333 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: any suggestions? < 1200611356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no realistic ones. < 1200611378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can suggest making AsmScript, and using that < 1200611410 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200611414 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wsa looking for realistic ones < 1200611427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has everything a web programmer needs, as easily memorizable short mnemonics, while being exTREMEly efficient! < 1200611440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, that's not my specialty. < 1200611461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use php :) < 1200611524 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not just web stuff < 1200611531 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean: generic, practical stuff < 1200611551 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacks generally on the smaller side but i don't want it to die in practicality if something i write grows. < 1200611572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: where's that oklotalk operator precedence thing again? < 1200611587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalkspec in www.vjn.fi/mb < 1200611597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can figure the interface out :) < 1200611676 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: the interface is what i was really looking for < 1200611678 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says written in python iirc < 1200611685 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just use the cgi module? :P < 1200611690 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it doesn't say that < 1200611693 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have said that < 1200611981 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you? < 1200612015 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Loading very unacomplised. Super am sory :(" < 1200612018 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly great english < 1200612562 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's dead! < 1200612913 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalalala < 1200613007 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200613040 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the computeres < 1200613095 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferment ferment ferment < 1200613185 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead dead dead < 1200613587 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1200613593 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a brainfuck compiler that does constant folding? < 1200613603 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1200613677 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean non-trivial < 1200613679 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoa lament < 1200613683 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not dead < 1200613704 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also: yikes, Perl parsing is almost *certainly* turing-complete...) < 1200613715 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though successful in creating a Perl parser for document-related purposes, the PPI project determined that parsing Perl code as a document (retaining its integrity) and as executable code simultaneously was, in fact, not possible. Specifically the author claimed that, "parsing Perl suffers from the 'Halting Problem.'" < 1200613985 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament hasn't been here for a long time < 1200614102 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live here, man < 1200614123 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: exactly < 1200614140 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only seen you about 3-5 times actually lament < 1200614142 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages < 1200614182 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because i live in a city deep under the sea < 1200614199 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once every thousand years or so, the city rises to the surface and wireless starts working < 1200614363 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said you lived here < 1200615250 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a city deep under the sea? < 1200616449 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a dimensional loophole < 1200616549 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so! who wants to help work on the underload->C compiler < 1200617898 0 :skabet!n=johnsen@pc-10-249.skjoldhoej.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200618073 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody? :( < 1200618087 0 :skabet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not nobody... < 1200618357 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200618357 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200619633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: written in python? < 1200620613 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200620924 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200620925 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200622575 0 :skabet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200627982 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200627985 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200631210 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. thx." < 1200633681 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200634301 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200637578 0 :Justin_!n=Justin@CMU-196057.WV.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1200637599 0 :Justin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200643199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200643200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200643732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/graphica.txt turns out it *was* trivial to make an n-dimensional hypercube < 1200643757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also turns out my implementation is slow as hell :D < 1200645751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Z < 1200645766 0 :Z!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1200645779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late < 1200646226 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200649186 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1200649392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolgo < 1200649449 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I supposed to mod this by 94 to get hello? < 1200649548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should ask you that very same question. < 1200649679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200649722 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200650667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200653314 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200653326 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200655632 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200655639 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200656849 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200656855 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200661224 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will try to implement the 2D version of the Love Machine 9000.
< 1200661649 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-030.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200662651 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200663769 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200664032 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1200664890 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-63.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200664980 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200664982 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200665694 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200666962 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200667097 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200667097 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200667223 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200668205 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200668208 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200668901 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200670486 0 :ehird`!n=ehird`@user-514dc61d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200670809 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200670959 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200671090 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fast with log grepping? < 1200671100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know the date where me and ais523 discussed 'turing complete regexps' < 1200671340 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/07.10.03 < 1200671346 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe http://bespin.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/07.11.12 < 1200671368 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-048-060.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200671370 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe neither, btw, I used http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ais523+ehird+turing+complete+regexp :D < 1200671774 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-10-03 is right, Asztal < 1200671775 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1200671823 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2D Love Machine has some problems dealing with the adding-new-squares-around < 1200671896 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200672001 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION (a(b)) -> [['a', ['b']]]
< 1200672004 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IS a good idea. < 1200672124 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : FUCK! I'm starting to think like Larry Wall. < 1200672129 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why am i still ehird` < 1200672130 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1200672768 0 :fax!n=afg@83.104.248.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200672823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fax machine < 1200672888 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1200672933 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a great Logic textbook < 1200672978 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lectures on the Curry Howard Isomorphism < 1200673825 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello.png < 1200673829 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I doin it rite? < 1200673857 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be some problems with some of the tape-displaying functions. < 1200673872 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, it's not the most important part I guess. < 1200673909 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, I'll have to dig in that code to clean it. I don't look forward to it. < 1200674024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your code looks like random line noise. < 1200674075 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just directions and "print space". < 1200674116 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200674358 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello2.png < 1200674371 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hides the problems better with space as the empty char! < 1200674497 0 :ais523!n=ais523@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200674531 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1200674540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :What is the title of this topic? Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1200674555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode get annoyed if a channel is publically logged but you don't tell anyone < 1200674557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1200674583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ehird, you got your nick back? < 1200674585 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1200674597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1200674598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1200674607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 freenode staff < 1200674615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have 'rice' < 1200674619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for those TC regexps, I'm still working on them < 1200674629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written about 70% of the spec, now < 1200674630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i saw an unused-for-a-year, short, memorable dictionary word, and nabbed it < 1200674633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200674636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started working on the implementation for a third time < 1200674637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm picking mine up again < 1200674641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of from the start < 1200674657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have a version of Perl that understands (??{$regexp}) < 1200674668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why embed it in perl? < 1200674671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's turing complete by itself! < 1200674680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Perl to write the interpreter < 1200674697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without that construct, matching brackets is tedious < 1200674713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it exists in my regexp language too < 1200674718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a much shorter notation < 1200674750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine will be written in Haskell or something, probably. < 1200674754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1200674773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favourite innovations is a concise way to do yacc-like matching < 1200674779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's a^nb^nc^n < 1200674781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in yours < 1200674799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(a*)b*:1c*:1$ < 1200674841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can use :- rather than :1 if you don't want to hardcode a group number < 1200674841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has changed since last time.. < 1200674844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly < 1200674854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I say last time? < 1200674909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, I have things like (a*)b*:-c*:- to solve the famous n as, n bs, n cs problem, which I think is considerably shorter than the corresponding BF program < 1200674919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the same program < 1200674929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I didn't put the ^ and $ to anchor it to the whole expression < 1200674937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, ^ and $ have completely different implementations < 1200674990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200675000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to start with regexps as i like them, then extend to matching brackets < 1200675003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say: < 1200675004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion < 1200675008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that sound like a good basis? < 1200675016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is also based on recursion < 1200675027 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200675030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* is just an abbreviation for (|a$+) < 1200675050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. either match nothing, or match a followed by a repeat of the current group's code < 1200675065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's crazy :) < 1200675068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking, (??|a$+), but the ?? just prevents the group being allocated a number < 1200675084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a lambda symbol < 1200675086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ = quine < 1200675099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda in a RE language < 1200675106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1200675118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\)|\($\) < 1200675120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy enough in a self-modifyin language < 1200675124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matches balanced brackets, but does nothing with them < 1200675134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\)()|\(($)\) < 1200675139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matches brackets into a parse tree < 1200675141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() -> [] < 1200675144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(()) -> [[]] < 1200675144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1200675145 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200675145 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200675147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1200675150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[""] < 1200675151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1200675160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language produces a parse tree no matter what you do < 1200675169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the colons force two regexps to have the same parse tree < 1200675219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose whether . matches just a character, or whether it's equivalent to (\x0|\x1|\x2|...|a|b|c|...|\x10fffe|\x10ffff) using options < 1200675229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever Unicode goes up to nowadays) < 1200675245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which option in a set is chosen is also taken into account < 1200675253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that account for all the nomansland stuff in unicode? < 1200675258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those higher 'planes' or whatever they are < 1200675266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all very epic and spooky < 1200675266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure < 1200675267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200675274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is that there are some codepoints that can't be used < 1200675276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't use them < 1200675277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The Unicode encoding space consists of 17 planes with each plane consisting of 65536 code points' < 1200675292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that at least explains where the 10ffff comes from < 1200675294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of Unicode 5.0.0, 102,012 (9.2%) of these code points are assigned, with another 137,468 (12.3%) reserved for private use, 2,048 for surrogates, and 66 designated noncharacters, leaving 872,582 (78.3%) unassigned. The number of assigned code points is made up as follows: < 1200675302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.2% assigned :P < 1200675330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when if ever they'll run out and have to add more planes? < 1200675335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BMP itself is sufficient for most things < 1200675385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Unicode/Character_reference/E0000-E0FFF do they really need this page. < 1200675393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do things like ('a-z=A-Z') < 1200675399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to change lowercase to caps < 1200675419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for do they really need that page; I think that might have beeen on Wikipedia once but they moved it because Wikibooks was a better fit < 1200675433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems reasonable that some book might need page after page of Unicode characters in it... < 1200675458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has to go for a while, but should be back maybe about half an hour later
< 1200675476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"hopefully back in about 1e mins..." < 1200675957 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200675974 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200676010 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200677724 0 :ais523!n=ais523@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200678349 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :afx < 1200678601 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200678876 0 :afx!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fax < 1200678993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(\`$+$+=$+$+\^|'skivdce(\..)')$ < 1200679078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that converts Unlambda from Polish to Reverse Polish notation < 1200679104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to expand on it to produce an Unlambda to Underload converter in a single statement, except for c < 1200679224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1200679229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1200679248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, my implementation isn't finished yet, so I haven't tested any programs < 1200679259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only got as far as implementing the crazy quoting and precedence rules < 1200679284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still thinkning about mine < 1200679297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i'll start a rewrite of the compiler's scheme code < 1200679301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prelude staying the same ofc < 1200679311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking, I dunno. Haskell? It'd be good for writing the optimizations.. < 1200679317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm better at the C than at the Scheme < 1200679328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and the scheme is ugly < 1200679331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the C's about as good as it's likely to easily get < 1200679334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i'm switching to something else :) < 1200679345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the things i want to add is a real parse tree) < 1200679350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to make dup O(1), but the other costs of doing so are sufficiently high that it isn't worth it < 1200679355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, with a new frontend < 1200679358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can optimize the code < 1200679370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, what languages do you understand? haskell might be a bit optimistic i guess :) < 1200679382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn it without docs < 1200679385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit difficult < 1200679396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not on my own computer at the moment, so I don't have access to an interpreter anyway < 1200679402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor to svn for that matter < 1200679410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200679476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is currently over 4 miles away from my Internet connection... < 1200679554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this seems like a bit of a problem ;) < 1200679568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm at the Internet connection at the moment, obviously < 1200679588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not your computer. < 1200679609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, so I'm stuck with the ancient version of ChatZilla < 1200679697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomecakes < 1200679744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you even have a decent editor? :-) < 1200679771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I connect to Unix, like I do now, I have Emacs or vi < 1200679781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, Visual Studio, Notepad, Wordpad and Textpad < 1200679789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and MS Office, of course, bu I don't count that) < 1200679797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your opinion as to what's a decent editor < 1200679807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I find sed works quite well in many cases < 1200679881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, sed < 1200679884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellll, let's see.. < 1200679901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs, blah, blah, blah, blah ... ok, you have one good OS which has a good editor inside < 1200679910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're connecting to unix already that's an awful lot of indirection :-) < 1200679927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse; some of the projects I do are on a friend's Linux server < 1200679936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to connect to Unix to ssh over to Linux... < 1200679946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great fun trying to run curses programs like that < 1200679955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses Linux at home, by the way
< 1200679961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use OS X :) < 1200679979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wow.. I telnetted in to Franz's Allego Lisp demo prompt for no reason < 1200679982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : = ^? < 1200679986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the good ol' days < 1200679993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^H works XD < 1200680000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS was worse < 1200680006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : = < 1200680017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the backspace key worked as well, fortunately for everyone's sanity < 1200680036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: still in windows prompts today.. < 1200680039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least: xp era. < 1200680041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200680055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should netcat the whole swank source to the prompt < 1200680057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conncet with SLIME < 1200680057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run doskey and it gets a lot saner < 1200680058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200680069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you mean netcat | sh < 1200680076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200680082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what SLIME/swank is < 1200680083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1200680089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200680091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200680096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIME = Superior Lisp Interaction Mode For Emacs < 1200680111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's what Symbolics would have been proud of. < 1200680113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that real lisp, or elisp? < 1200680118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real lisp < 1200680123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole editor gets knowledge about your lisp system < 1200680135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIME actually connects with a socket to your lisp implementation < 1200680136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs knows scarily much anyway < 1200680139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is running swank < 1200680142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swank is the backend < 1200680147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some implementation-specific parts < 1200680153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tells SLIME /everythiing/ it wants to know < 1200680180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from basic things like 'complete based on symbol table' to crazy, crazy introspection < 1200680185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a lisp mode < 1200680189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "run-lisp" < 1200680191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vastly superior < 1200680200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with debugger integration and everything < 1200680210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the Must Haves for CL development < 1200680219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs has all those features which are great but nobody who was brought up on a GUI will like or even understand < 1200680223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway... i should cat that over to franz' telnet and get SLIME on it < 1200680224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200680229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was brought up on a gui.. < 1200680242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you managed to shake yourself out of it < 1200680246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. < 1200680250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still running a gui irc client here < 1200680250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200680258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connecting to the Internet doesn't count < 1200680262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and - shock! - using a mouse! < 1200680266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it became designed for a GUI < 1200680275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: occasionally i end up using the mouse in emacs :P < 1200680280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually I don't use mice all that often nowadays, now I have a laptop < 1200680280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fast with a mouse though < 1200680282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter < 1200680306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my editing style is really idiosyncratic < 1200680317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is most people's, I expect < 1200680320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes from using every editor from Notepad to vim to TextMate to ... < 1200680344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed? < 1200680348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i suck at sed < 1200680351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1200680353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used acme < 1200680369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it overwhelms you with pure awesomeness, too bad it can't really do shit i guess < 1200680376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have al lthe plan9 tools installed on here < 1200680383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including an x11 acme < 1200680389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OH! Have you used sam? < 1200680392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another plan9 invention < 1200680395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has: < 1200680397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200680399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a top frame, with an ed prompt < 1200680406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loads of windows below each with one file < 1200680418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can edit the file with all the flexibility of ed, while seeing it below < 1200680419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcore < 1200680424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even GRAPHICAL! < 1200680431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like the relation of ddd to gdb? < 1200680438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddd= < 1200680443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was started on ddd, but grew to prefer gdb < 1200680450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddd is sort of a GUI for gdb < 1200680474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs gdb in a separate process, and translates GUI input into gdb commands and gdb output into graphical displays < 1200680486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can see the gdb commands scrolling past at the bottom < 1200680523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200680547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: plan9 is crazy < 1200680547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this /is/ the computer on which I wrote my buggy elisp abstraction eliminator < 1200680550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever used it's WM? < 1200680560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pasting it now so I can later get it onto my laptop < 1200680589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I've only used Win 3.1 and Win 95 onwards WM, X11, the Common Desktop Environment, Gnome and KDE < 1200680601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used OS X? < 1200680602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor thing < 1200680603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1200680610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my own computer < 1200680616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used it on other computers < 1200680623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm a fan of several of its features < 1200680632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably slightly better in UI terms than Gnome/KDE, but not by much < 1200680645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is once you learn about it through using it < 1200680670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must admit that i'm an expos� addict, though mostly keyboard-based :P < 1200680695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the abstraction eliminator is at http://pastebin.ca/860539 < 1200680703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's buggy if you don't use a prefix arg to disable optimisation, though < 1200680718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it so long ago that I've forgotten the syntax, though so I'd have to work it out again < 1200680750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it for lambda expressions in Haskell syntax? < 1200680759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda syntax < 1200680767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an extension to write lambdas < 1200680776 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ or ^? < 1200680792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be ^ and $, according to the source < 1200680802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ to declare a lambda binding, $ to use it < 1200680872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda. Mode. < 1200680872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez. < 1200680886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FONT LOCK WHAT THE HELL < 1200680887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make it a habit to write Emacs modes for all the esolangs I work in < 1200680894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with font lock < 1200680911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only intercal-mode is publically released, though, and I didn't even originally write that < 1200680919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just added font lock and some helpful functions to it < 1200680946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^x`$x$x`^x`$x$x < 1200680951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by C-c C-b < 1200680956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives ```sii```sii < 1200680966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which come to think of it is actually wrong < 1200680987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses this one : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Lazy%20Bird/ae9.py
< 1200680988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the input should have been `^x`$x$x^x`$x$x < 1200681001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving the correct ```sii``sii < 1200681011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it doesn't differentiate combinators from variables. < 1200681025 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So s, k, i, c and b are better left out of the expression. < 1200681026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still th ink we need an abstraction introducer. < 1200681043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```sii``sii -> ((\x. x x) (\x. x x)) < 1200681049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it who said that decompiling Unlambda was probably easier than compiling? < 1200681050 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that just be replacing the combinator by its lambda? < 1200681060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what abstraction introduction is < 1200681078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1200681080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also optimizing < 1200681082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see my example < 1200681087 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay. < 1200681127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a program I wrote for the abstraction eliminator: < 1200681128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/860594 < 1200681138 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, does Unlambda and all the purely functional qualify as string-rewriting? < 1200681157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be implemented with string-rewriting < 1200681166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the method I use when stepping through Unlambda by hand < 1200681185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably write a quick interpreter in my new regexp language, which I decided to call Cyclexa < 1200681265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program that I pasted, by the way, is a P'' interpreter in Relambda (which compiles into Unlambda with C-u C-c C-b; it should work without the prefix arg, but it's buggy) < 1200681288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relambda = Unlambda + lambda; any infinite loop must contain a ! character somewhere, which otherwise has the same semantics as i < 1200681311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does it detect? :-) < 1200681323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects everything but infinite loops < 1200681331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my golf idea: http://golf.shinh.org/, but you can add challenges, and it has a golf challenge for the site source itself < 1200681334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aww < 1200681334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you have to put a ! somewhere inside to tell it where they are < 1200681340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? < 1200681345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in theory, at least. In practice it seems not to work. < 1200681353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just solve the halting problem to detect them? < 1200681438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that golf site work? < 1200681443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, how do you use it? < 1200681502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh < 1200681506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see input/output < 1200681510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement the program, etc < 1200681511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upload it < 1200681513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes in the rankings < 1200681525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it check the program to see if it works? < 1200681580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how can Esolang not have a page about GolfScript? < 1200681587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does check < 1200681591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?print+file < 1200681595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks input to output < 1200681603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because its really new < 1200681621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION must write a stub immediately
< 1200681808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Quine/shinh/1182045546&php < 1200681810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so cheating < 1200681830 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is it? < 1200681845 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby? < 1200681891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck, probably < 1200681982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200681983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1200681992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is apparently a PHP quine < 1200681999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tested it: yep. < 1200682003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200682004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1200682005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is anything that doesn't contain < 1200682011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1200682013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so cheating < 1200682027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In HOMESPRING, the null program is not a quine. < 1200682043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Quine i'm trying to find an interp with short error messages < 1200682046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ican do a kimian quine < 1200682046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200682050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it has ed < 1200682056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one char quine! < 1200682092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had the idea of trying to create an iterating Kimian quine
< 1200682106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, a quine-pair where one program was Kimian but the other wasn't < 1200682143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200682145 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200682170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I manage to do it in gcc, then that'll be my IOCCC entry for next year < 1200682196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous one was a BF interpreter in alphanumericless C (apart from defines and the prototype of main) < 1200682199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: 1: "~": invalid command code ~ < 1200682206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contained several hidden programs < 1200682216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1200682218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use a different sed < 1200682227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs gnu sed
< 1200682231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which were written in Perl, some of which were written in BF < 1200682235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu error messages are large :( < 1200682266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a language full of short error messages! < 1200682276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some sort of language where the output is only error messages < 1200682338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed < 1200682376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this for a Kimian quine, in x86 machine code? < 1200682383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal instruction (core dumped) < 1200682405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on the 8086, all lowercase letters are illegal instructions, so I'd just have to check what capital I does < 1200682424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200682435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too long either... < 1200682445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: not ELF binary" < 1200682447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the golf site < 1200682457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, they want it in Elf format? < 1200682460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200682465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give them your own shorter program < 1200682469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you just told me < 1200682474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one... < 1200682475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sed? < 1200682478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bsd sed output < 1200682481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use gsed < 1200682481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: not ELF binary < 1200682483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200682484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200682485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. < 1200682489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs it and rejects the submission < 1200682493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks before verifrying < 1200682506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a Kimian quine against the website itself < 1200682512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a moral victory, at least < 1200682583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200682584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200682592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shit < 1200682595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks for status=1 < 1200682597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastards:P < 1200682609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my D compile time quine: < 1200682610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.d(1): found '1' when expecting ')' < 1200682611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.d(1): no identifier for declarator test.d < 1200682611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.d(1): semicolon expected, not ')' < 1200682611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.d(1): Declaration expected, not ')' < 1200682615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean status=0? < 1200682625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you using VMS? < 1200682631 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200682664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks if status=1 and denis it < 1200682665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*denies < 1200682701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.sh: line 1: [: missing `]' < 1200682705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you bash < 1200682710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you for matching up yuour []s in errors < 1200682717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cruel people < 1200682739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the man page for true gave information on how to make it error out < 1200682750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well: < 1200682752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cat $0' < 1200682754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accepted. < 1200682759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kinda hollow inside < 1200682762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /bin/true --version 2>&1 | /dev/full < 1200682768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow < 1200682777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF TRUE TAKES OPTIONS < 1200682779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1200682801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only --help and --version < 1200682806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only then if you give a full path < 1200682822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even only then on the GNU version < 1200682834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, /bin/false errors even if you ask for help or version info < 1200682846 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so important to know what version of true you're running ;) < 1200682860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated in version 2. now fails. < 1200682920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone ever has run true --help in an attempt to find out what it does? < 1200682950 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they'd find out alright. < 1200682991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Nothing Um < 1200683016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200683017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1200683018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to print: < 1200683023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTHING* < 1200683034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the actual input: < 1200683036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTHING* < 1200683049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think that most of the shortest programs would be of length zero. < 1200683058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Slereah < 1200683061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to print out the string: < 1200683063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTHING* < 1200683081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why are some of the program of length one :o < 1200683094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you get the stirng: < 1200683096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTHING* < 1200683097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as input < 1200683099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in e.g. sed < 1200683103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do nothing < 1200683106 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is subtle < 1200683106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it denies 0 length programs < 1200683114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Evil+C+Compiler i'm just gonna hardcode this one < 1200683114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200683118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just entered qq as a palindromic PHP quine < 1200683131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rejected q; apparently it only wants even-length palindromes < 1200683151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no... i want to call out to gcc < 1200683152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1200683203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo"Compiling...\nRunning...";gcc /dev/stdin;./a.out < 1200683229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200683233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you read form stdin in gcc compiles < 1200683239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -x c /dev/stdin < 1200683244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to tell it what language stdin is in < 1200683309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now trying to figure out a palindromic quine in Underload
< 1200683316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i did it < 1200683317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW RECORD < 1200683319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'Compiling... < 1200683319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running...';gcc -xc /dev/stdin;./a.out < 1200683330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHHAAHAHAH I RULE < 1200683346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that's cheating... < 1200683347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh wtf < 1200683351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 58 chars < 1200683355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not hte winner < 1200683359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um duh all the submissions are like < 1200683363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :500-40 chars < 1200683367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc they do that < 1200683396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon ul bf http://pastebin.ca/raw/367774 < 1200683436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200683509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could i abuse gcc to make it print my lines? < 1200683515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are < 1200683516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling... < 1200683518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running... < 1200683526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1200683645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speaking of which < 1200683649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how small can a c compiler get? < 1200683651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-compiling < 1200683664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would venture, 200-300 lines maybe? < 1200683685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/otcc/otcc.c otcc is rpetty close, but post-obfuscation.. < 1200683700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1200683704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting assembly < 1200683706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for portability. < 1200683708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){system("gcc -xc /dev/fd/0");} < 1200683713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1200683715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously < 1200683723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fd/0 saves one char over your stdin < 1200683725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION /dev/stdin
< 1200683727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION /dev/fd/0
< 1200683729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200683730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the suggestion < 1200683731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200683732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1200683733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200683784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1200683785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what about for a real compiler < 1200683786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200683787 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1200683793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul ( < 1200683797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul ) < 1200683800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul ~ < 1200683807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a longer program < 1200683814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (Test)S < 1200683817 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1200683825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul S < 1200683836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul S < 1200683839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (S)^ < 1200683847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (S):^ < 1200683847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (S):^ < 1200683850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1200683851 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1200683853 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1200683854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1200683860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (S):a^ < 1200683866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (SS)::a^ < 1200683875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200683876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^ is unlikely to produce output < 1200683878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200683879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200683885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can only assume that EgoBot restarts the daemon each time < 1200683886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (S):~a~^ < 1200683889 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S) < 1200683897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's written in BF and does no error checking < 1200683897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (SS):~a~^ < 1200683901 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SS)SS < 1200683907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (:~a~^):~a~^ < 1200683912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200683914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eff ths < 1200683915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L:P < 1200683917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Ss in that < 1200683928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (:aSS):aSS < 1200683931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1200683948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (aS(:^)S):^ < 1200683951 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^ < 1200683953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1200683968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the two main sorts of quines < 1200683972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul ()(*)*S < 1200683975 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1200683982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul ()(()*S)*S < 1200683985 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()*S < 1200683998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (()*S)(*S):*S < 1200684001 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*S*S < 1200684015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (()*S)(*S)*~:~^ < 1200684049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you got svn on that machine yet? :) < 1200684052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a c compiler. < 1200684056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a c compiler < 1200684059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two c compilers, in fact < 1200684066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a program called c99 < 1200684069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I run it I get < 1200684083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c99 utility unavailable SunOS 5.9 < 1200684112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have svn yet? :P < 1200684133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't install software on here < 1200684146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, golf.sinh.org pokes fun at ICFP < 1200684148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GolfScript is the programming tool of choice for discriminating golfers. < 1200684148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby is a fine programming tool for many courses." < 1200684149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't my machine, I'm not root, and I'm not supposed to download any to my home account < 1200684162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP is a great idea, by the way < 1200684187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Perl is not too shabby < 1200684194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to their rankings, anyway < 1200684310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh: puts'gXgle'.sub'X','o'*gets.to_i < 1200684316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm silly < 1200684345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1200684377 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... ? < 1200684398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input 1 < 1200684399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get < 1200684402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogle < 1200684402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1200684403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google < 1200684404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1200684406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooo... < 1200684411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the 'google' challenge < 1200684413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the golf site < 1200684417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts"g#{'o'*gets.to_i}gle" < 1200684419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 chars < 1200684430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top is 14 chars in golfscript. < 1200684435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to beat ruby i need to beat 24 chars < 1200684515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to optimize gets.to_i < 1200684628 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see String#oct .. but no String#dec :( < 1200684680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"42".oct.to_s(8).to_i < 1200684680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200684824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1200684828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a loop forever program: < 1200684828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=-277; < 1200684849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that machine code for goto self? < 1200684855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or machine code for wait-for-interrupt? < 1200684858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar? < 1200684865 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the IOCCC disqualified such things < 1200684881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it works on os x < 1200684887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont think golf.shinh.org does < 1200684888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1200684889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a rule change after that won the first year < 1200684892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its portable, in some crazy way < 1200684893 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because although compilers would technically accept main not being a function... < 1200684894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1200684895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GOTO 1 < 1200684898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my basic entry :D < 1200684905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200684906 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my befunge entry: < 1200684906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do < 1200684908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1GOTO1 < 1200684918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOL < 1200684918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, I think the record is main(){main();} < 1200684924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 char ruby: < 1200684925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vi` < 1200684930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't work on it < 1200684932 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that valid C? I know it's not valid C++ < 1200684932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the compiler needs to do tail-recursion optimization to optimize that < 1200684944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't have a no-recursive-main restriction < 1200684960 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++, at least, main has undefined linkage and can't be called from inside the program :( < 1200684973 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is rewriting the Love Machine 9000
< 1200684979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just work around it by making a function that main is a wrapper around < 1200684984 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoping for some nicer code < 1200684997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't call main() in C ais523 < 1200684998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its forbidden < 1200685001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and undefined < 1200685010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're thinking of C++ < 1200685014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's legal in C < 1200685014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1200685054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION submits ```sii``sii
< 1200685065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1200685067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ci`ci < 1200685068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's clever. < 1200685137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can beat that < 1200685144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which number is the problem? < 1200685158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i submitted >< in befunge < 1200685161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "timeout" < 1200685165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-F it < 1200685174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1200685176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a one-char befunge < 1200685178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" < 1200685195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, it didn't work < 1200685203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was it < 1200685204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` leads to a timeout in normal Unlamda because it waits for more input < 1200685208 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200685213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they remembered to add an EOF < 1200685252 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I like this ruby one: `vi` < 1200685336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200685574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the only thing better will be mine < 1200685580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which as i have asid will have a golf on the site's code itself < 1200686186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooooooooooooooooooool < 1200686191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I submitted this to the 123 challenge < 1200686193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts 1;x=File.read("test.rb").sub("puts","puts 1+");File.open("test.rb","w").write(x) < 1200686217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the 123 challenge
< 1200686278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at the top ones < 1200686279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200686290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, it's a clever idea < 1200686295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1200686295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep resubmitting until it works... < 1200686302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hah < 1200686302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200686304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1200686305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1200686403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the sheesh for? < 1200686428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its lame for them to do that < 1200686428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200686549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts$_ unless$_=="\n"while gets < 1200686550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am lame. < 1200686597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[----------[++++++++++.],] < 1200686599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1200686605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the most compact way to represent 10 in BF? < 1200686608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 10 -s or +s < 1200686608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it < 1200686614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a page about it on the wiki < 1200686635 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++[>++<-]> < 1200686637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, all numbers up to 14 are best done in unary < 1200686644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i have duplication there < 1200686645 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? :S < 1200686647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 -s and 10 +s < 1200686697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I like my Perl entry for the echo, even though it's clearly not the shortest < 1200686701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!perl -p < 1200686723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole program is preprocessor directives ! < 1200686737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200686790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people probably don't even realise that you can do that < 1200686862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, a perl quine: < 1200686866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat < 1200686881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if that's cheating or not < 1200686888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1200686893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's an X quine for all X < 1200686919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because only perl will run a different program with the current source if it sees a #! at the start < 1200686924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat doesn't, for instance < 1200686951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ruby sort: < 1200686952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print gets.split('').sort < 1200686956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?sort+characters < 1200686959 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200687061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1200687064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were discussing golf. < 1200687099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the many sports i have not tried. < 1200687099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and entered a new competition: to create the shortest Underload interpreter < 1200687117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count minigolf. < 1200687128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the programming kind of Golf < 1200687144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Our compiler won't do very well. :-) < 1200687156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I allowed execs, though, so it will be allowed... < 1200687194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you allow execs? < 1200687197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200687206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can pipe a compiled output into gcc < 1200687219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I couldn't see a reason to deny them < 1200687243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1200687246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'d need to include prelude.c < 1200687253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would make it biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ;) < 1200687273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an anti-golf < 1200687283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'find the most obscure, drawn out, just plain ridiculous solution' < 1200687362 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the COBOL users would win on file size :( < 1200687441 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could probably make some program that will send an email to a third party, asking him to send a letter containing "Hello world!" < 1200687466 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, on another continent < 1200687471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is then OCR'd in < 1200687487 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing an x86 emulator, an OS, with a TCP/IP stack and sendmail < 1200687527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not email, snailmail < 1200687571 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any company that will send snailmails containing some text automatically? < 1200687582 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relying on a third party feels a little like cheating. < 1200687721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1200687723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200687735 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd still have to write a "driver" for the third party. Think of it as a piece of hardware. < 1200687940 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a machine! < 1200687943 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a man! < 1200687958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: man: a very fancy machine < 1200687963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of 'very fancy' < 1200687968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty slow ones. < 1200688024 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are slow and unreliable, but quite flexible < 1200688025 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends in what areas. < 1200688038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both mechanically and in terms of their capabilities < 1200688038 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can walk without bumping into walls! < 1200688052 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't say that of every robot < 1200688055 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can read crappy handwriting with amazing accuracy! < 1200688061 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can interpret regional accents! < 1200688247 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, we're not that slow! < 1200688256 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just takes us a while to speed up. < 1200688266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few thousand years, the time for us to invent computers. < 1200688320 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200688327 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200688358 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1200688375 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus our collective processing power is capable of growing at a nearly exponential rate < 1200688416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so! who wants to write a tiny esoteric C compiler < 1200688424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimed to be the smallest self-compiling C compiler < 1200688424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1200688425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really C < 1200688428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny-esoteric-subset-of-C < 1200688429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200688480 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION foresees abuse of goto
< 1200688488 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely interesting. What platform will we target? < 1200688500 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: if that's the case, I'm definitely in. :D < 1200688514 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants an ISWYM impl.
< 1200688522 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make goto capable of calling function pointers or something < 1200688526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that done already as an IOCCC winning entry? < 1200688537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe, but whatever < 1200688542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i was thinking just portable asm < 1200688547 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heard of it, but who cares, it'll be fun < 1200688550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. it's easier to debug :) < 1200688554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. portability! < 1200688558 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200688559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use OS X, you probably use something else. < 1200688563 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use OSX < 1200688567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1200688567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200688570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well someone else might not < 1200688570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200688574 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about replacing goto with the J operator (not that I actually know what it does) < 1200688587 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies and heresy. Everyone uses OSX or a degenerate form of OSX. < 1200688590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: that's a bit too changed from C < 1200688594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully we can make the only thing requiring special stuff syscalls < 1200688600 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1200688608 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very much like how all labor is really degenerate forms of bending. < 1200688611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this code should compile OK: < 1200688620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) { printf("Hello, world!\n"); return 42; } < 1200688622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we're done obviously. < 1200688625 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200688627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf("Hello, world!\n"); return 42; } < 1200688628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1200688631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: we do need types < 1200688633 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's build everything around those two examples < 1200688639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: let's not :P < 1200688643 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200688649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit hard to jump right into c like that < 1200688649 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1200688676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Oh yeah and no parser generators < 1200688677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1200688677 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will we also have to build portions of a standard library from scratch? < 1200688684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... maybe. maybe not. we'll see < 1200688689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did a 303-byte Underload interpreter in Perl
< 1200688693 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I never use parser generators. They're for pussies and people in a rush < 1200688701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: though i don't think we should compile to _main < 1200688708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the C stdlib does that stuff < 1200688713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well it just seems like too much of a copout :P < 1200688713 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1200688716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually an optimising interpreter, so it's not quite correct because it sometimes optimises inside literal strings, but the examples don't catach that problem < 1200688720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... entry points are wildly different between platforms < 1200688736 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to firmly establish what we plan to accomplish and create from scratch < 1200688774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: yeah < 1200688791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: OK i guess we can compile to just main for now < 1200688795 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make 'int' arbitrary precision < 1200688797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let the c runtime do the legwork. < 1200688833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: do we want to typecheck? :D < 1200688839 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200688862 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll make it simpler, and we can just assume C programmers know what they're doing < 1200688871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1200688872 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is an int! including pointers! < 1200688876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not as fun RodgerTheGreat :) < 1200688877 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200688879 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1200688882 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything IS an int < 1200688891 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chars will actually be ints, booleans will actually be ints, etc < 1200688901 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everythin is arbitrary precision int < 1200688907 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can encode things differently, but you can randomly swap however you want < 1200688907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: but imagine golfing a typechecker < 1200688908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck < 1200688910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're inventing BCPL < 1200688913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could add type inference < 1200688916 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we *might* want some way to cast stuff < 1200688918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wtf' type < 1200688922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf foo = 2; < 1200688931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200688935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly < 1200688939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not C without type checking < 1200688947 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I encourage an extremely minimalist standard < 1200688959 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally with as little undefined behavior as is reasonably possible < 1200688971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we're trying to compile something that is recognizable as C here :P < 1200689035 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to make something that is A) a programming language, B) is compatible with C functions/libs/etc, and C) can compile the test programs "int main(void) { printf("Hello, world!\n"); return 42; }" and "int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf("Hello, world!\n"); return 42; }" like you'd expect them to in regular C, without cheating. < 1200689047 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is different than "recognizable as C" < 1200689059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are splitting hairs here, though < 1200689075 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splitting hairs, perhaps, but this is necessary < 1200689094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't we just aim to write "A c compiler" and then decide what to not implement when we come to that? < 1200689106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But type checking is very fundamental to *C*, one of its defining things, so.. < 1200689113 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reducing the scope of the problem until we have solidified a design. This is generally how I work. < 1200689127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but this way we'll be going through the whole spec < 1200689128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitpicking < 1200689172 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't nitpick, how can you collaboratively design something as necessarily precise as a programming language? < 1200689175 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the preprocessor? < 1200689197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: we're not designing a programming language. we're implementing a language, continually reducing it. < 1200689202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incremental development. < 1200689207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: i think that can come last. < 1200689213 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: it seems reasonable that we could do without a preprocessor, unless it allows us to get away with a simpler language < 1200689235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a preprocessor will only be a few hundred lines anyway < 1200689243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going for 'conciseness', not 'bytes' < 1200689250 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice macro system would be cool < 1200689273 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concise CLISP < 1200689281 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice macro system and a powerful goto might make it possible to have entirely synthetic functions! XD < 1200689285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1200689296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros with return types! < 1200689301 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1200689303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they define the type of the expression they produce < 1200689303 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it < 1200689332 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all we need to do is come up with a way for macros to generate something a linker can work with < 1200689342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Macros are easy: < 1200689352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docompile(macro_body); < 1200689356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call_assembler(that); < 1200689361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then: < 1200689369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call_linker(that,"blah"); < 1200689371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dlopen("blah"); < 1200689375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... get a funcptr ... < 1200689380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funcptr(argstomacro); < 1200689382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1200689383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200689384 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1200689396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you can just grab a funcptr from the linked file < 1200689399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call that < 1200689428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds very creative, and it will significantly reduce the complexity of the language, I think < 1200689442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i don't think so < 1200689445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be a fun extra < 1200689451 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion may cease to be possible, depending on how this works, but that's fine. < 1200689454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it'll provide much actual usefulness or ways to reduce < 1200689499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: by the way, what source control systems do you have? < 1200689505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasesaymercurialordarcspleasesaymercurialordarcs < 1200689520 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't enjoy source control systems < 1200689527 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cause me pain and irritation < 1200689550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting that we just ftp it somewhere and overwrite everything? < 1200689550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1200689555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs and hg aren't like svn and the like < 1200689558 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.nonlogic.org/ssvn/about.htm < 1200689560 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1200689578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have experience with subversion and didn't like it < 1200689580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not suprising. < 1200689589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try a distributed system like darcs or hg though. < 1200689604 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsubversion solves most of my objections to source-control systems in general < 1200689741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1200689761 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't stand *not* using VCSes
< 1200689815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody want to work on the compiler that doesn't despise vcses? :P < 1200689818 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200689963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, guess not < 1200690099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: so are you adamant about this vcs thing? :P < 1200690118 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1200690128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even going to *try* darcs or hg? < 1200690134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are nothing LIKE svn? < 1200690203 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a sizeable portion of my soul dedicated to my hatred of version control systems. If I am getting paid, I will use one, but I at one point stated that I would never use one for personal projects < 1200690231 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you hate about them, out of curiosity? < 1200690248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for future reference: < 1200690249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you really think they're all like svn don't you.. < 1200690250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'('/'{'*')'/'}'*'S'/'p'*'a'/'`'*'~'/"\\"*'!'/';'*'*'/'+'*':'/'.'*'^'/'~'* < 1200690260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is almost a Underload -> GolfScript compiler in GolfScript < 1200690267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'almost'? < 1200690269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the output is completely wrong < 1200690275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1200690278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it translates string literals into GolfScript too < 1200690280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make it store the original string. < 1200690282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as well < 1200690290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then add an 'eval' and submit it to your competition :P < 1200690293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very easy, I don't think < 1200690304 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to me an inherently flawed design. Merging, forking and the like can be resolved with policy, rather than software. They also almost universally force people to install the program just to check out the latest ticket, which is stupid for many reasons. < 1200690311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it simply literally converts equivalent commands < 1200690322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Yes, let's do what the computer can do for us! < 1200690322 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second reason is a bigger gripe for me, really. < 1200690333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both languages are concatenative, and in such cases a one-to-one conversion is often possible < 1200690335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can check out svn, darcs, ... just with a recursive wget. < 1200690363 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a recusive wget, how incredibly convenient < 1200690382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sorry i forgot that typing one line is impossible < 1200690387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just click instead :| < 1200690423 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many reasons I use a mac, and one of them is that I have no patience whatsoever for a shitty UI, be it console-based or graphical. < 1200690437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wget is a shitty UI? < 1200690443 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UI defines the usefulness of any program. < 1200690447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat < 1200690452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget is a shitty ui? < 1200690453 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're intentionally misinterpreting my argument < 1200690544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1200690678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is this bash quine a quine by cheating? < 1200690680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps ho%a -Cps < 1200690696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps: %a: keyword not found < 1200690697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps: no valid keywords < 1200690698 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200690710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me like on some system, it works by ps'ing to find its own command line < 1200690779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone's come up with a 76-byte Underload interpreter in C < 1200690784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's for real or by cheating? < 1200690802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating < 1200690811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be, really, doesn't it < 1200690825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it looks at the input and comes up with one of the three possible outputs depending on what the input was < 1200690830 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, is it good cheating or bad cheating? < 1200690847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps -Aocommand|grep "ps -" < 1200690850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ working ps quine < 1200690854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1200690854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200690863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1200690866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1200690869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yeah of course < 1200690878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you check? < 1200690880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the creator < 1200690886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not until the deadline < 1200690889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I set in 4 weeks time < 1200690896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bah, 4 weeks? < 1200690904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well leave it up there a while < 1200690905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51b(embed) < 1200690906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'embed'.. < 1200690909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1200690910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1200690915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51b is a big user of that site < 1200690915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a clue that it's a cheat < 1200690917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. it's possible < 1200690929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's real < 1200690931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's (embed) < 1200690941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that the answers are embedded in the source < 1200690951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200690958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 51b pointed it out < 1200690959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its ok < 1200691123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it probably the same way in 37 by cheating < 1200691189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just switch between the 3 possible answers based on whether certain characters are in the source < 1200691209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does an underload interp reeaallly need an infinite stack < 1200691214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is, say, 65536 enough < 1200691241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the spec, it needs an infinite stack, but it also has to be capable of infinitely long strings, etc., regardless of your computer's memory < 1200691247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life you can put limits on it < 1200691282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i am going to for speed < 1200691287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about the length of the strings? < 1200691292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 enough? < 1200691297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (..morethan1024chars..)=err < 1200691302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nearly, because numbers are generally stored in unary < 1200691306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200691307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking up two characters per value < 1200691307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1200691327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65540 is probably enough < 1200691338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you store numbers up to 32767 with a bit of leeway for doing arithmetic < 1200691370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want a string length limit anyway? < 1200691375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to avoid malloc? < 1200691389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no -- trying to avoid realloc() < 1200691397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause you have to store the length, check, etc < 1200691414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golf here.. < 1200691425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait < 1200691432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, make the limits just long enough to run the example programs < 1200691451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish you could get the length of stdin in c < 1200691451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1200691471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting a limit on the /length/ of an input program is probably acceptable < 1200691480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just doing it in ruby < 1200691482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far easier to golf < 1200691490 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200691514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1200691595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm only handling one line programs < 1200691595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200691610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't as if newlines are legal outside strings anyway < 1200691899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. the compiler allows that. < 1200691905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it allows all junk < 1200691913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for strings, ofc. < 1200691931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the INTERCAL rule; junk only causes an error if it's executed < 1200691942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just compile an error function as the code and use the correct string < 1200691978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope: < 1200691980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc)^ < 1200691984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1200691986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a will fail < 1200691987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)^ < 1200691989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works. < 1200692021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to map all unrecognized characters to call error() just like ~ is mapped to swap(), etc. < 1200692048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200692053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats sloow < 1200692055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200692056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1200692057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats big < 1200692130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not slow, but inefficient < 1200692145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe you could not generate any code in a block after the first error() < 1200692154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, nothing past that point can be run anyway < 1200692288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: damn mine is 325 < 1200692290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs your 303 < 1200692297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul.rb:1:in `+': < 1200692298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 1. < 1200692299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of method did you do? < 1200692300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very helpful ruby. < 1200692313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s=(gets.split"").map{|x|x[0]}.reverse; < 1200692317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^^ probably what takes the space < 1200692340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's all regexp < 1200692379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't evaluate in the right order - it's a strange mix of lazy and eager - but that doesn't matter for the example problems because it only affects the S command < 1200692451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% echo "(:aSS):aSS" | ruby ul.rb && echo < 1200692452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1200692460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :343 < 1200692477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% echo "(x)(::**)(::**)^^S" | ruby ul.rb && echo < 1200692477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul.rb:1:in `[]=': index -2 out of array (IndexError) < 1200692478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1200692514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% echo "(x)(::**)(::**)^^S" | ruby ul.rb && echo < 1200692514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x::**::**x::**::**x::**::**x::*............ < 1200692524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1200692524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=[];s=(gets.split"").map{|x|x[0]}.reverse;while s!=[];c=s.pop;case c;when ?(;i=1;a<<[];while i>0;x=s.pop;if x==?(;i+=1;elsif x==?);i-=1;else a[-1]< i guess < 1200692672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what your js does < 1200692685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, I was preparing to retrofit the " syntax in later < 1200692690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it never really caught on < 1200692705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it remains part of the spec but never implemented, and it's probably better to keep it that way < 1200692719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, an escape character is useless if it can't even escape parens < 1200692731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only escapes <>[]", which are only banned because I say so < 1200692759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My basic stuff is going to be: s/INSTRUCTION([^<]*)(([^<]<)*)TOP ELEMENT/RESULT/g < 1200692764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is... that right? < 1200692773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1200692776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paren matching will be too hard < 1200692777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsck that < 1200692778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200692891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Thutu method is to change inner parens to {} temporarily < 1200692905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes up a good part of the program < 1200692962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i submitted a cheat one. < 1200692963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*^^S/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ < 1200692963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*^S$/::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ < 1200692974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but forgot to say cheat < 1200692974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1200692996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Write an UL interp in your regexp lang < 1200693262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(```s$+$+$+!=``=1=3`=2=3|``k$+$+!==2|`i$+!==1|`$+$+|[ski])=^*?('ski'|`'sk'$+|``s$+$+)$ < 1200693268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it for ski unlambda < 1200693269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1200693280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll go into an infinite loop on an invalid program < 1200693308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, as for forgetting to say cheat, resumbit it as ehird(otherthesamelengthisacheatandsoisthisone) < 1200693437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Minimal+scheme+interpreter < 1200693441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the hardest one yet :P < 1200693466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely golfable actually < 1200693514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you even get a submission that works with that in less than an awful lot of code i'll be impressed :P < 1200693563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cheatable, of course < 1200693570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200693579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i missed out things like (quote X) < 1200693580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh. < 1200693583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Scheme have an eval? < 1200693588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1200693589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does. < 1200693598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to provide it though < 1200693604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you could use it < 1200693612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yes < 1200693614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1200693683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let l()(let((_(read)))(if(not(eof-object? _))(eval _))(l))) < 1200693712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1200693716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to specify an environment < 1200693746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMNIT < 1200693751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have unbalanced parens in my test < 1200693753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe is me < 1200693788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lfjklsdhfsdjklfhs WHY CAN'T YOU EDIT IT < 1200693852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit a 'fixed version' of the problem, and mention in the description that the other has typos in the test cases < 1200693891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm just submitting a lambda calculus one < 1200693894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with unlambda-lambda-syntax < 1200693899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with multichar identifiers < 1200693903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^x x < 1200693903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction elimination? < 1200693906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or interpretation? < 1200693908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^x $x x < 1200693914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpretation < 1200693919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acxtually < 1200693920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ -> ` < 1200693923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^x `x x < 1200693925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks good < 1200693938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^x x ^ x x < 1200693939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1200693952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is apply? < 1200693965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (a b) in lambda calculus < 1200693970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1200693977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should i specify regular lambda calculus syntax? :) < 1200693977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you use parens for disambiguation? < 1200693982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1200693992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`x y < 1200693993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it Unlambda syntax, just with lambdas < 1200693993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1200693996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS < 1200693999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1200694003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1200694007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should make it real lambda calculus < 1200694008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x. x < 1200694019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z. x z(y z) < 1200694020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1200694022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200694025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1200694027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly too hard < 1200694104 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does no one use ?? < 1200694111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what context? < 1200694120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ?? in Perl a lot < 1200694130 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1200694156 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant lambda character < 1200694208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes golfscript-inspired language
< 1200694221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a stack: even the program < 1200694222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200694275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ a b c } -> stack with top=a, prev=(top=b, prev=(top=c, prev=())) < 1200694279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can call it < 1200694285 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around stacks, never relax. < 1200694293 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION <3 tapes
< 1200694295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole program is implicitly in {...}! < 1200694378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main stack is accessed as $ < 1200694383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1}{1+}$~! < 1200694389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we start with: < 1200694412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ }, PROG={ { 1 } { 1 + } $ ~ ! } < 1200694419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ { 1 } }, PROG={ { 1 + } $ ~ ! } < 1200694425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ { 1 } { 1 + } }, PROG={ $ ~ ! } < 1200694436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ { 1 } { 1 + } }, PROG={ ~ ! } < 1200694450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ { 1 1 + } }, PROG={ ! } < 1200694459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>zoop callstack < 1200694471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>STACK={ }, PROG={ 1 1 + } < 1200694479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>STACK={ 1 }, PROG={ 1 + } < 1200694483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>STACK={ 1 1 }, PROG={ + } < 1200694487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>STACK={ 2 }, PROG={ } < 1200694489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>zeep < 1200694496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK={ 2 }, PROG={ } < 1200694509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stack trick for the genuine Perl Underload interpreter was to just leave (...) constructs at the left-hand end of the program as a stack, and to execute the first real command after them < 1200694518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves having to implement (...) at all < 1200694586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge < 1200694590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone step through: < 1200694592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0={1}{:1-#!*}?}4! < 1200694646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very easy when we don't know the syntax < 1200694653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'xactly < 1200694661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got a kind of feel for it up there < 1200694661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1200694739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 2008 will be the year of concatenative languages? < 1200694764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent a while thinking about one which also has arrays, pointers and GOTO < 1200694773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to be able to use as many paradigms as possible < 1200694995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"wow, it's late" < 1200695061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what languages should i allow in my golf? < 1200695241 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200695351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200697451 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200697782 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200698053 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1200698196 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-048-060.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200698568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello jix < 1200698610 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200699942 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200700138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's alive? < 1200700140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1200700143 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1200700145 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1200700379 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: obviously everyone in the channel is alive (or most people anyway) < 1200700386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant figuratively < 1200700388 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends. what is life? < 1200700568 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200700614 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200700626 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200701151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: freedom from this 'debate'.. < 1200701154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200701266 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is love? < 1200701576 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200701577 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200702006 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200702329 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I'm reminded of something a chatterbot of mine asked once- "Is love the meaning of life?" It was just random parroting and synthesis, but it really struck me as insightful. < 1200702368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, insightful for a piece of code anyway. < 1200702419 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reinforces a theory of mine that art is in the mind of the beholder- the meaning of every work is what we make of it, wether that was the artist's intention or not < 1200702826 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200703196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32 line s-expression parser < 1200703197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1200703200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc i did use rparsec < 1200703201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1200703410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even supports (a b c . d) < 1200703445 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200703885 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1200705090 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200705216 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705221 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200705225 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705227 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200705231 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705231 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200705245 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705245 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200705255 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705255 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200705272 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200705273 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200705307 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200707062 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200707064 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200707637 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-200.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200708943 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200709161 0 :jolly_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242398071.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1200709826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200709987 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200712255 0 :jolly_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200713242 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up, guys? < 1200713418 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering..
< 1200713471 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a set of combinators like, {S, K} or {B, I, Q}.. or anything < 1200713546 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can be decided whether they cauld be composed to make a given type (like a -> b -> a or anything) < 1200713695 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to enumerate all combinations and test them... but that might never terminate < 1200714023 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200714024 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200717503 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. Why is the alphabet in that order? I" < 1200719691 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1200722552 0 :uvanta!n=L@116.45.53.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200722589 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see! < 1200723244 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gs30ng < 1200729599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200729600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200733316 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Damn you, TSS! YOU'VE FOILED MY PLANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" < 1200736718 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200737165 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200737868 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-150.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200738307 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200738747 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200739928 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200740421 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200740747 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-048-060.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200741738 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200742028 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200742056 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-048-060.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200743337 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200746916 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200746916 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200751603 0 :helios24!i=helios@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200751750 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200754766 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200754770 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200756877 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200756879 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200757561 0 :Leath!i=Leath@78.166.25.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200757570 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200757580 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1200757590 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day < 1200757597 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1200757598 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if it works < 1200757616 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, some one write the first 5 numbers of the Fibonacci Sequence < 1200757617 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this going to be IRP? < 1200757625 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww it doesn't :( < 1200757626 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it! < 1200757632 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#irp <- < 1200757640 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1200757658 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone considered updating the wiki? < 1200757675 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still says #esoteric for IRP :) < 1200757677 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the matter of IRP? < 1200757718 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ONE more person joins this channel for the exclusive person of IRPing, I can't be held responsible for what I'm going to do to them. < 1200757720 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, where's the interpreter < 1200757751 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200757761 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-184-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200757837 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say "hai" < 1200757846 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it doesn't work, time to keep stumbling < 1200757853 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP ERROR: please go fuck yourself < 1200757862 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'll go do shopping instead < 1200757865 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun mate, cya < 1200757870 0 :Leath!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200757871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP soon looses its interest. < 1200757882 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did answer the fibonacci thing though :( < 1200757884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since most people just ask some hellov world or Fibonacci. < 1200757894 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think I'm becoming increasingly irritated by it < 1200757906 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP < 1200757919 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This page has been accessed 14,850 times. < 1200757966 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "IRP ERROR: please go fuck yourself" causes the user to vote thumbs down, thus decreasing the number of IRPers < 1200757967 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1200757973 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6th most viewed page. < 1200757993 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with less IRPers, IRP interpreters won't be so annoyed. It becomes a cycle! < 1200758020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRP interpreter always halt. < 1200758026 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On "Go fuck yourself" < 1200758034 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it can't be TC. < 1200758100 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fascinating observation < 1200758129 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the "please print out the lyrics to 99b" "go to gell" < 1200758132 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hell < 1200759516 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200759819 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200759986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if asking to "go to hell" was just part of the solution < 1200760017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can irp nodes do but tail recursion? < 1200760934 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will find 99's lyrics in hell. < 1200760942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For beer is the devil's mouthwash < 1200761422 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1200763307 0 :volimo!i=tgthy@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3efa00-215.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1200763708 0 :volimo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200763716 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200764345 0 :helios24!i=chaos@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200765905 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1200768847 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200772402 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200772909 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200773829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you like comics right? i made some awesome stuff http://www.vjn.fi/index.php?c=18 (don't worry, i know it's not awesome ;)) < 1200773853 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1200773935 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... interesting... < 1200773957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press previous for the true comics < 1200773979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, don't. < 1200773989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genius:! < 1200774017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually think the idea could've been kinda funny if made right. < 1200774029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making it right would not really be my style < 1200774321 0 :oudeis_!n=oudeis@bzq-79-177-121-204.red.bezeqint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200775195 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200775610 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200776491 0 :sbp!i=sbp@66.9.179.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200776508 0 :sbp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let hi equal, in a kind of macro way, print < 1200776517 0 :sbp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let there equal, in a kind of macro way, "Hello, world!" < 1200776518 0 :sbp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1200776556 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hai < 1200776573 0 :sbp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys need hella debugging < 1200776576 0 :sbp!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200776584 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world^!&!HAAJD61*1199asAH < 1200776586 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you! < 1200776593 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucker didn't null nerminate < 1200776675 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have a decimal to binary converter? < 1200776707 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I am aware of < 1200776713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS the price of tea in China? 8-O < 1200776715 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is probably a way < 1200776730 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But my question was related to doing it easily < 1200776737 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I might as well do it by hand < 1200776763 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make sum Hello world on a Post machine < 1200776764 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: an amount less than the price of 100 ruples. < 1200776843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://supertart.com/priceofteainchina/index.php < 1200776851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruples? < 1200776936 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Internet: vaguely to scale" < 1200776939 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200776987 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruples are in no way related to rubles. < 1200777034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about rupies? < 1200777090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, rupees < 1200777102 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a little closer < 1200777145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubies? < 1200777257 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1200777287 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kinda like scruples in some ways, if that helps. < 1200777311 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less metaphysical, though < 1200777326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not unrupulous? < 1200777607 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, very much rupulous. < 1200777614 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition < 1200777642 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-1.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200778267 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on in esolang world? < 1200778374 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see anything remarkable in Recentchanges of wiki.. anybody working on new language oslt? < 1200778531 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oslt? < 1200778697 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or something like that" < 1200778743 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm making some Post-Turing machine right now. < 1200778764 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess I could post Lazy Bird. < 1200778767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iflas ftw < 1200778789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it national abbreviation day? < 1200778803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1200778807 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik y, nad ftw < 1200778854 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-89-40-200.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200778859 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's iflas? "i feel like a sandwich"? < 1200778937 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that reminds me of gravity < 1200778944 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't enjoy mah sandwiche :( < 1200778948 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does? < 1200778980 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remeber correctly, it's a language designed to be 'super-turing complete' < 1200778981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't just /feel/ like a sandwich. < 1200778983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE the sandwich. < 1200778996 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1200779013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Post is for Emil Post. < 1200779030 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that? < 1200779050 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy who made a Turing machine before the Turing machine :o < 1200779060 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's significantly shorter < 1200779064 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a binary TM < 1200779098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: indecipherable four-letter acronym < 1200779135 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1200779142 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is making some lazy-ass decimal to binary converter
< 1200779155 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so lazy that I should be ashamed of it < 1200779239 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 40 damn lines long :o < 1200779871 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POLL: Should software use the term "disk" or "disc" for CD/DVD's? e.g. "/dev/sr0: closing disc" < 1200779900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the locale? :D < 1200779937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that's not a locale issue. < 1200779950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200779963 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disk means "storage device", disc means "round thing" < 1200779973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that most disks are discs :P < 1200780023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a time zone issue. before dusk, they're disks, unless on a desk < 1200780050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1200780082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dïŝç < 1200780442 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after Udage, i felt like there can't be a truly new esolang idea, so i lost my interest, and quit, that was about 1 year ago < 1200780514 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week ago, i was in times of trouble, i saw the God of Esoteric Programming Language comes to me < 1200780534 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking words of brand new esolang idea < 1200780582 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200780583 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200780599 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the brand new idea? < 1200780601 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote down the spec, and now i'm working on its implementation < 1200780622 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I missed all the fun < 1200780860 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello%20world!2.txt < 1200780866 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the Post machine < 1200780868 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9000) < 1200781172 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.. a... model suggested by Emil Post? < 1200781186 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed. < 1200781209 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print zero, print one, stop, a conditional state, left and right. < 1200781289 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was actually empty-print a mark, but well) < 1200781644 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wasn't any attempt to make a Post machine in esolang society, was there? < 1200781675 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None that I could find. < 1200781703 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it has a similar feel to boolfuck. < 1200781711 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a lot of TM-like models, Church(lambda) models, but i haven't even heard about Post < 1200781771 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Turing_machine#1936:_Post_model < 1200782666 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200782848 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200783026 0 :^_`!n=saru@219-88-192-181.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200783036 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200783052 0 :^_`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1200783176 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks ^_` is an unusual alternate nick for GreaseMonkey
< 1200783445 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I could make a translator between the Love Machine 9000 and the Post Machine. < 1200783447 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000. < 1200784486 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000. < 1200784487 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1200784534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next version will be OVER 9000 < 1200784643 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200785548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200786281 0 :ciscbrain!n=eugen@86.124.185.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200786471 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200786478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1200786482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't install OpenSolaris. < 1200786488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I only have 512MB of memory ... < 1200787033 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200787600 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have more memory than i probably will for a long time. < 1200788177 0 :ciscbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1200788520 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200788754 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust786.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200788914 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200789420 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200789730 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200791300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: I have no issues, it's OpenSolaris that has the problems :P < 1200797869 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1200797879 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1200798020 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o: < 1200798108 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo, m'loves < 1200798917 0 :Omni!n=alfabeti@201.79.16.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200798923 0 :Omni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any gals in here? < 1200799389 0 :Omni!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200801441 0 :oudeis_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200801858 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..what the hell < 1200802029 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1200802046 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1200802048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omni < 1200802062 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed the "lol grrl orgy time" < 1200802070 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens every 30 minutes < 1200802074 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor timing on his part < 1200802163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO < 1200802184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, are there? < 1200802194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrls, i mean < 1200802236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel a bit unreal right now < 1200802629 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unreal? < 1200802633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's never good < 1200802988 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote random guy at Fred Meyer as I try to buy RAM: "Wow, that's an old system." < 1200802990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stab* < 1200805063 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200807832 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 20" < 1200809680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200809795 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200811874 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200812297 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200812297 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200812777 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200812779 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200813139 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1200813384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200813416 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-178-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200815999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200816000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200819372 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200819476 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. thx." < 1200820393 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200820393 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200820411 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200820411 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-4-68.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200827286 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200827311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200827592 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200827609 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200827790 0 :Figs!i=figs@dyn128-54-221-202.ucsd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200827801 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1200827828 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive today? :) < 1200827845 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1200827864 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1200827960 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy :) < 1200827969 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1200827981 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on? < 1200828032 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much, not much < 1200828080 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm substantially bored. < 1200828100 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a hexadecimal addition trainer, I was so bored... < 1200828127 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody kill me, I'm starting to write stuff you'd see in java! :( < 1200828137 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factories of factories... < 1200828154 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops a factory on Asztal
< 1200828821 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-184-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200829000 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO. < 1200829215 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200829216 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-057-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200829280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: you were correct, i completely forgot < 1200829959 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1200829970 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to play my music still? :( < 1200829976 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*teardrop* < 1200829979 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk ;) < 1200830216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always nice to be able to continue a two-month-old conversation without any warning though < 1200830228 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200830448 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200830484 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, could you send me back the song I sent you? < 1200830495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have it after my computer died... < 1200830628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1200830639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as a matter of fact i'm in a similar situation < 1200830680 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?edlin < that's quite useful actually, since my OS doesn't have an edlin :) < 1200830698 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edlin? < 1200830759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagram for "line d", which is a sex position < 1200831027 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200831984 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200832064 0 :helios24!i=chaos@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200833976 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200834453 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1200834469 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could have _negative_ bases for counting... < 1200834515 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie, you have binary = base 2, decimal= base 10, hexadecimal= base 16... etc. normally, right? Well, you can have also have base -10 :P) < 1200834529 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first couple numbers go... < 1200834551 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the columns are 0.001 0.01 0.1 1? < 1200834565 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,180... < 1200834573 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for base -10) < 1200834574 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnier are imaginary bases! < 1200834579 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like base 2i < 1200834584 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1200834592 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcendental bases? :P < 1200834595 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base pi? ^_^ < 1200834607 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base pi is possible, though I wouldn't advise it < 1200834628 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth did something with base pi... < 1200834693 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in base 2i... 101101 is 61-8i < 1200834702 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o :P < 1200834716 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to trust you on that one. < 1200834724 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 2 in base pi? < 1200834750 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used 64 -32i 16 -8i -4 2i 1 as the columns, but that leaves the problem of how to represent 2 < 1200834759 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe -i in the second column < 1200834912 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base < 1200834971 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses digits 0 to 3) < 1200835003 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And me trying to work some sort of converging serie out of -4+16-something+something < 1200835066 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 101101 should have been -67-8i, I think < 1200835126 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't 2 in base pi just be 2? < 1200835148 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real question is what is 4? :P < 1200835200 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is 10300 < 1200835211 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in base pi? < 1200835223 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry, was thinking in 2i :( < 1200835226 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200835230 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1200835252 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4-pi)/(pi^2), 0 < 1200835259 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4-pi)/(pi^2-pi), 0 < 1200835264 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1200835291 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200835298 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. < 1200835362 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golden ratio base has some interesting properties < 1200835618 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddited! :D < 1200835623 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programming.reddit.com/info/66138/comments/ < 1200835626 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoop! < 1200836147 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200836163 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200837068 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@nat-1.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1200837072 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1200837092 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any ALPACA tutorial? < 1200837154 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200837348 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah -- evil wikipedia... now I'm reading about ternary computing. Those bases really got me off track... < 1200837485 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@asiekierka: I have no idea. Looks interesting though. < 1200837495 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found two pieces of stuff about it < 1200837515 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) A very, VERY techy information piece, describing the lang in a way too techy < 1200837529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/alpaca/doc/ebnf.txt < 1200837549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Something non-techy, has some interesting pieces of stuff < 1200837549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/10/a_metalanguage_for_pathologica.php < 1200837691 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh heck, if you've got the grammar for it... :) < 1200837696 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on a sec < 1200837735 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think somebody should make the first link a tutorial < 1200837741 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second link has 3 example kinds < 1200837851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first example is Game of Life, the second is WireWorld, the third is Braktif, a BF cellular automation < 1200837871 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1200837875 0 :Figs!i=figs@dyn128-54-221-202.ucsd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200837883 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1200837886 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I still figs? < 1200837906 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just killed myself :P < 1200837913 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IRC-wise) < 1200837938 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes < 1200838051 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that link is wirth syntax notation < 1200838057 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, uses... < 1200838087 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really used to it, but I found a nice wikipedia article ^_^ < 1200838095 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth_syntax_notation < 1200838157 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200838167 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200838216 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afaict, it looks like you just have a bunch of "entries" seperated by ; and ending with . < 1200838246 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where an "entry" is either a class or a state < 1200838289 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, something like < 1200838339 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200838349 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what the deal with the "state designators" are < 1200838377 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it's for CA, right? < 1200838385 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, moving around on the board??? < 1200838409 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200838461 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200838563 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get the basic syntax, but I don't really know what it means < 1200838652 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ALPACA? < 1200838655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the basics too < 1200838806 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "3 Alive and 7 dead"? < 1200838828 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at this: http://catseye.tc/projects/alpaca/doc/alpaca.html < 1200838882 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1200838897 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you mean 3 alive and 5 dead < 1200838897 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scuse < 1200838898 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200838901 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type :P < 1200838902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cell can have 8 neighbors < 1200838906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cellular automatas < 1200838929 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is 4 alive or 7 dead? < 1200838934 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if a cell "*" is surrounded by 3 "*"s and 5 " "s, something happens < 1200838955 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 alive or 7 dead is when a cell "*" is surrounded by 4 "*"s or 7 " "s < 1200838957 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" " is dead < 1200838967 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*" is alive < 1200839002 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1200839004 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get it now < 1200839007 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state Dead " " < 1200839008 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to Alive when 3 Alive and 5 Dead; < 1200839008 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state Alive "*" < 1200839008 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to Dead when 4 Alive or 7 Dead. < 1200839026 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state Dead is a dead cell in Game of Life < 1200839030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that this describing the lang in a "way too techy" is just the syntax as a bnf < 1200839038 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnf? < 1200839043 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol -- that's not bnf < 1200839058 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's wsn < 1200839059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? wait, i'll look at it < 1200839088 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses {} for repetition and [] for optional < 1200839094 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, IIRC wasn't in BNF < 1200839116 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it's been a while though < 1200839153 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200839155 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's EBNF < 1200839157 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1200839170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i usually say bnf for cfg < 1200839188 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1200839191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true, it's not bnf < 1200839212 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, close enough for rocket science I guess :P < 1200839241 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't EBNF extended BNF? < 1200839252 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it stands for, but it's read differently < 1200839257 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1200839292 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's different for me :) < 1200839311 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200839329 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't usually see {} for repetition and [] for optional, so it threw me... < 1200839370 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at wikipedia for EBNF shows that basically it's WSN (ie, wirth did his thing and it looks like they just changed the name to confuse me) < 1200839463 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, do you want to do anything in ALPACA? < 1200839482 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200839489 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done anything in ALPACA < 1200839499 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just kinda looked interesting when you brought it up :) < 1200839503 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will you do ever? < 1200839508 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200839512 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a datastream automation < 1200839525 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200839526 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200839556 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know much about CA < 1200839563 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not < 1200839574 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to go to bed soon < 1200839577 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun's comming up < 1200839599 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try it some day if I get bored :) < 1200839622 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods oklopol
< 1200839671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1200839705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently trying to turn my sleep cycle back to normal < 1200839705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghjk < 1200839716 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! it never works! < 1200839716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slept 0 hours the other night, 3 hours tonight < 1200839730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my usual amount is near 10 < 1200839738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel a bit... throw-uppy < 1200839739 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I managed it recently... by sleeping for 21 hours < 1200839742 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200839747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1200839753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a much better way than mine < 1200839802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone happen to know what protocol vlc uses for network streaming < 1200839832 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTSP, perhaps < 1200839898 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@asiekiera: Datastream automation? < 1200839916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: i'll look at htat < 1200839918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1200840341 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CA happening on a datastream < 1200840350 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like an extended Wireworld < 1200840356 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, i'll get right to it < 1200840373 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nope < 1200840440 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200840466 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really learn pygame... < 1200840509 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some good graphics programming... and rewrite my old logic gate thing < 1200840779 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this weird little logic gate system that'd randomly configure a board of logic functions (like and, not, or ... etc) and jumbled the connections < 1200840805 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really amazing how quickly cycles came up < 1200840892 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could actually represent that using more traditional logic methods? hmm < 1200840901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops? < 1200840906 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has loops < 1200840918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that" == "loops"? < 1200840937 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1200840938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for last occurrance of "that" < 1200840941 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of loops < 1200840949 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200840962 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the logic gate system < 1200840974 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can feed back into itself < 1200840980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1200840990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean "loops" with "that". < 1200840994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1200840995 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200841002 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you mean the other sort of loops < 1200841004 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, the cycles < 1200841006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop = cycle = feedback < 1200841021 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about two kinds of loops :) < 1200841027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1200841029 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the representation on the board < 1200841039 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie a -> b -> c -> a < 1200841044 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one is in time < 1200841060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... in time? < 1200841074 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, (a,b,c,d) are in some particular state at one point, and n steps later, then return to that state < 1200841088 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(each is either on or off) < 1200841097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cycles => loops, trivially < 1200841105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops => cycles, trivially < 1200841165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, you can represent a feedback loop as a recursive equation i guess < 1200841187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anybody help me with ALPACA? < 1200841189 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I h < 1200841197 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some kind of a code that LOOKS good < 1200841203 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it dosen't want to compile < 1200841203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think that's strictly traditional logic < 1200841208 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rafb it :) < 1200841231 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or insert pastebin of your choice for rafb) < 1200841284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb.vjn.fi is pretty short, and i just made it 10% more efficient today! < 1200841293 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb.vjn.fi? < 1200841305 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a url? :p < 1200841312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1200841317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/pb < 1200841329 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like random characters :P < 1200841339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1200841341 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/EBVJgr26.html < 1200841345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb = pastebin < 1200841347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn is kinda random. < 1200841370 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi = finland? < 1200841386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1200841406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to take .fi, .com is so cheap it's not cool :\ < 1200841428 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is .fi free? < 1200841429 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it could be < 1200841441 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll seriously take a website "http://why.fi/" < 1200841454 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the funniest and noobiest members of a community i'm in < 1200841458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fi is a lot more expensive than .com < 1200841470 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-27-253.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200841487 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200841489 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's available only for finns < 1200841497 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody knows WHAT THE HELL is with my alpaca code? < 1200841516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lezzee < 1200841562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SigW? < 1200841594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't deduce alpaca's semantics from that, sorry :-) < 1200841647 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 'when' instead of 'if' < 1200841685 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe is < 1200841691 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check the grammar again < 1200841702 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, funge-98 already uses every single printable ascii character :( < 1200841704 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there was no 'if' in it < 1200841705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, the grammar < 1200841738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1200841739 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1200841742 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably it < 1200841743 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1200841751 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200841768 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-21-81.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200841771 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1200841773 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was it < 1200841781 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200841783 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you internet! < 1200841793 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1200841810 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-057-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1200841826 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Fibo.jpg < 1200841829 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I saying. < 1200841832 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = A :o < 1200841840 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = A ? < 1200841855 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the objectivist mantra < 1200841862 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = (X -> Y) < 1200841870 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore Y < 1200841872 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200841901 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. X = X (tautology) < 1200841925 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200841930 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x -> x < 1200841933 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scuze < 1200841956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[->] < 1200842002 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. x -> (x-> y) by substitution < 1200842015 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. x -> y < 1200842020 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. x < 1200842024 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. y < 1200842062 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to make some objectivist jokelang, but it's hard < 1200842076 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any good idea for conditional jump < 1200842097 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do or do not < 1200842114 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that's objectivist though :P < 1200842119 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like yoda < 1200842138 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200842148 0 :jix!n=jix@78.47.212.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200842174 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a 'Zen' esolang yet? < 1200842188 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the only nice looking mantras that I have in mind for it are Either-or, non-contradiction, A = A and reality exist < 1200842215 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the idea that started it, AYNRAND() < 1200842227 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AYNRAND()? < 1200842239 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For random numbers :o < 1200842245 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ayn? < 1200842254 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Yielding Numbers Randomizer < 1200842259 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayn Rand being the (manly) woman who started the idea < 1200842267 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of objectivism < 1200842270 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1200842307 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you know what would be neat? < 1200842312 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a haiku-based esolang < 1200842317 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200842322 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be great in a way or two < 1200842332 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the road for days < 1200842337 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two wheels, my bike and me < 1200842341 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't brush my teeth < 1200842413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_: you failed < 1200842437 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1200842440 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the second line needs one more syllable, doesn't it? < 1200842444 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/7/5 IIRC < 1200842474 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I saying it weird? :P < 1200842478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's where the fail was < 1200842495 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did it from memory. < 1200842502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but english is just weird for having "bike" be a single syllable < 1200842504 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the biker Haiku at the end of Full Throttle < 1200842511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doens't count < 1200842526 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200842596 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF I HAVE FAILED < 1200842604 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN I MUST SURRENDER TO DEATH < 1200842608 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELSE PRINT FOURTY-TWO, DUDE. < 1200842655 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can make it like COBOL... < 1200842656 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh. < 1200842661 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with way too many words < 1200842727 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*, now if I only had a few extra years of free-time and a lot of patience :) < 1200842760 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, holy-crap < 1200842766 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just front-paged reddit ^_^ < 1200842780 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imaginary bases thing caught on < 1200842796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1200842800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that liek soooo old < 1200842829 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's 0.99...=1 < 1200842834 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that never stopped the internet < 1200842835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my native number system was base-7i quaternions < 1200842950 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Randian language is just a bunch of register starting at 0, a=b increase a if a and b have the same value, go to pass, decrease it else and go to fail) < 1200842962 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like an objective Minsky machine or something. < 1200843012 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still need to find some idea to make the conditional jump in slogan form < 1200843031 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200843121 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1200843125 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got the joke! < 1200843127 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAOCP < 1200843132 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAO CP < 1200843135 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1200843145 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1200843161 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like a million years late, I'm sure... < 1200843184 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't notice. < 1200843195 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get it though, right? < 1200843198 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, I first head of The art of computer programming a month ago < 1200843202 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do. < 1200843210 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that was intentional < 1200843333 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200843739 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-21-81.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200843756 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| Internets < 1200843795 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200843954 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200844001 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200844067 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`right < 1200844072 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go zzzz now < 1200844073 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1200844076 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1200844261 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200845697 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200845761 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200846053 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs... < 1200846229 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200848004 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200848059 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200850469 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200850488 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200850499 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200850761 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200852080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEIRD question: Is XSLT turing complete? < 1200852201 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unidex.com/turing/utm.htm < 1200853423 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200854745 0 :asiekierk!n=asiekier@nat-1.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1200854762 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1200854764 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yello < 1200854810 0 :Geekthras!n=Geekthra@c-24-218-46-235.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200854936 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello little man < 1200854945 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello big man < 1200854953 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no big man < 1200854961 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why am I a little man? < 1200854969 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, are you? < 1200854975 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1200855037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, hello little man! < 1200855066 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1200855164 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1200855185 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up, little man? < 1200855202 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200855219 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wandering around < 1200855244 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone had a bf compiler bot in another channel and I was trying to make it do color < 1200855392 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could just change from ASCII to something else. < 1200855427 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was trying to find the index of the ctrl-k character < 1200855447 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 11 < 1200855511 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got EgoBot to do colour once, I think. Although it may have been bold. < 1200855512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-x = x & 31 < 1200855524 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried 11 but I may have failed... < 1200855525 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it's \003 for colour < 1200855563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, thanks < 1200855564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the channel mustn't be +c for that to work < 1200855572 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1200855698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look up color codes from my bot's code < 1200855700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec < 1200855723 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1200855740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://envbot.org/trac/browser/anmaster-trunk/lib/misc.sh < 1200855745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several defined in that script < 1200855751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes irc bot in bash :D < 1200855793 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win < 1200855801 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad you can < 1200855806 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er can't do it in BF < 1200855814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't? < 1200855830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just output a \007 that would be a \x07 too < 1200855841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geekthras, I think all the numbers are in octal < 1200855843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hex < 1200855846 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1200855860 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant an IRC bot in bf < 1200855862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be simple to convert < 1200855865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geekthras, ah < 1200855873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1200855880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect input to irc, output to irc < 1200855887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should be possible :D < 1200855896 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you'd need another language to handle the socketing < 1200855897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pain of course but... < 1200855952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geekthras, indeed, and I don't use bash for that most time, bash's internal tcp support I can use, but you can load another transport module, like netcat, openssl and so on < 1200855957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envbot is modular < 1200855959 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1200855998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://envbot.org/trac/wiki < 1200856000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1200856089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geekthras, also wrote (a very slow) brainfuck interpreter in bash < 1200856110 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1200856363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200856491 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Geekthras|Busy < 1200859588 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200860199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geekthras|Busy, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/index.py/files/bashfuck/head < 1200860209 0 :Geekthras|Busy!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Geekthras < 1200860220 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that URL makes me smile < 1200860225 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thanks < 1200860230 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bashfuck/head? < 1200860241 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. It just kinda made me giggle < 1200860254 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://www.ferrethandjobs.com < 1200860301 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1200860318 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"place your business in the right hands" < 1200860319 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In other news, it has come to our attention that the domain name "FerrethAndJobs.com" may be misread by some." < 1200860371 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speedofart also has a lulz name < 1200860396 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penisland.com < 1200860408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that URL makes me smile <-- why? < 1200860415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200860422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is the head in the repo < 1200860428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand this < 1200860452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm brainbash could have been a better name < 1200860468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certain feels like it :) < 1200860522 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially completed a brainfuck-based robot combat game called "BotFuck", which I found rather clever < 1200860532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/index.py/files/bashfuck/41 would work too, as that is last revision < 1200860534 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Geekthras|Popcor < 1200860540 0 :Geekthras|Popcor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Popcorn < 1200860683 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200860684 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200860699 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-21-81.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200861433 0 :Popcorn!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200861672 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200861691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200861703 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1200862220 0 :miiro!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200863384 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200865513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200865582 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200865872 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200865884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200866147 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200866647 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-88-192-181.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200867298 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200868696 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200869267 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200869749 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200869859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200869890 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200869891 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200869893 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.124.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200870289 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200870530 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200870609 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200872905 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200873363 0 :Groniel!n=chatzill@201.28.104.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200873736 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200874379 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200874381 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200874410 0 :Groniel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PumPum Peidei < 1200875645 0 :chs_dude!n=chs@adsl-71-142-94-13.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200875693 0 :chs_dude!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say "Hello, World!" < 1200875700 0 :chs_dude!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200876316 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of PL? < 1200876500 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet relay programming? < 1200876972 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200877000 0 :Groniel!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200877584 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200878677 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Raws < 1200878753 0 :Raws!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1200879169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200886375 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200886376 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200886385 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200887385 0 :xipietotec!n=jackfros@70-0-80-204.area1.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200887461 0 :xipietotec!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone reverse my phrase output? < 1200887479 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200887583 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200887821 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200888020 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200889072 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1200889698 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200889730 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-88-194-41.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200889868 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200892456 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200892525 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200895664 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200898423 0 :xipietotec!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200899917 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200899921 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200900191 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200900949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200901113 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-69-230.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200901607 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200901698 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200902029 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200902399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200902400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200902439 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200903965 0 :tejeez!n=tejeez@dsl-lhtgw2-fea7dc00-42.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1200907512 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. thx." < 1200913900 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rendell-attic.org/gol/turing_js_r.gif < 1200913901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1200916487 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200917103 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust786.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200917177 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200917381 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1200918452 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918454 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918456 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918456 0 :ttm_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918458 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918459 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918463 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918463 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918464 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918464 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918466 0 :Overand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918466 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918466 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918467 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918467 0 :johnl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918467 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200918553 0 :johnl!i=johnl@johnl.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200918602 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920145 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920145 0 :ttm_!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920183 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920183 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-233-27.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust786.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-178-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-4-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920184 0 :Overand!i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920199 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920199 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920199 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920211 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920211 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@wilug/madlug/sekhmet JOIN :#esoteric < 1200920233 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-1.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921779 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921779 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921779 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921781 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921782 0 :Overand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921784 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921786 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921786 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921788 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921789 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921790 0 :ttm_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921790 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921792 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921822 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-1.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@wilug/madlug/sekhmet JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :Overand!i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-4-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-178-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust786.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :ttm_!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921822 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921883 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921883 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-233-27.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921896 0 :ttm_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921896 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921898 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921899 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921901 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921902 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921902 0 :Overand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921903 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1200921908 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921908 0 :ttm_!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921925 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921925 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@wilug/madlug/sekhmet JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust786.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-178-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-4-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1200921945 0 :Overand!i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand JOIN :#esoteric < 1200922381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@st01-fap02.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200922780 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If there are any aliens, time travellers or espers here, come join me!" < 1200923571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this, rather interesting: gopher://blubb.ch/11/software/fbf < 1200923580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional brainfuck < 1200923636 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics which states that it is < 1200923636 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically impossible to detect a particle without affecting it in < 1200923636 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some way. < 1200923638 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow, people still uses gopher: ?) < 1200923648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1200923651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, yes? < 1200923655 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copypasta by mistakes it seems < 1200923869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm glad that gopher: is still alive < 1200923918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that looks like a procedural language, not a functional one < 1200925333 0 :mtve!i=mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200925671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Redirecting snail mail" < 1200926666 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.225.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200927100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200927137 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200927884 0 :adu!n=andrew@66-240-11-2.isp.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200928392 0 :Tritonio__!n=Tritonio@150.140.229.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200928449 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200928697 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. Could somebody explain how to access a gopher file via telnet? I got as far as connecting on port 70. < 1200928792 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think I figured this out... < 1200929039 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's a pastebin of the FBF source, if anyone is curious and doesn't have a gopher client < 1200929041 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1200928851.html < 1200929307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox seems to be able to handle gopher: just fine < 1200929340 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, it probably would've been easier to open the page on my linux machine < 1200930054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone with Firefox can do Gopher. ;) < 1200930098 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use firefox on my mac, for obvious reasons < 1200930118 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as I said, it would've been easier just to use my linux box < 1200930125 0 :ehird`!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200930204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Firefox on the Mac is crap. < 1200930592 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1200930593 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly < 1200930607 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and safari is awesome enough anyway, at least with saft etc < 1200930612 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried safari 3 though < 1200930615 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the brushed metal :P < 1200930621 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari 3 is nifty < 1200930630 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty transparent upgrade, though < 1200930663 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't have it any other way < 1200930669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Linux fan. < 1200930674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm waiting on KDE 4.1. < 1200930697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1200930702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, I could *use* KDE 4.0 (had it installed a couple of days ago), but it's still a fairly rough release. < 1200930712 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm a mac user, so I'm going to continue to endure incredibly half-assed ports of linux software whenever I don't feel like spending money. < 1200930732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE is going to make the ports less half-assed. < 1200930746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, all KDE programs run as native Cocoa apps. < 1200930769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(will be officially supported with KDE 4.1) < 1200930772 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "native" GTK port seems like it has more promise, but it isn't anywhere close to being usable. < 1200930870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find screenshots
< 1200930896 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think simply having native GUI toolkits is going to solve the main problems, though- so many of the reasons linux ports suck are because they don't follow interface conventions properly (meaning Apple HIG) < 1200930938 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The user interface features, behaviors, and appearances deliver a well-organized and cohesive user experience available to all applications developed for Mac OS X." < 1200930949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the reason they don't officially support KDE on Mac OS X yet. < 1200930955 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: the best kind of app is a Qt app developed on OS X < 1200930975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be one of the best-designed apps on linux and windows, and fit right into os x < 1200930976 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200930981 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of app is an app with the frontend rewritten from scratch for OSX. < 1200930987 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I tried to compile KDE3 with Qt-mac before < 1200930992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get Amarok < 1200930996 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, VLC. < 1200930999 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many patches though < 1200931006 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OSX port of VLC is absolutely fantastic < 1200931010 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else got it working though < 1200931041 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't believe it when I saw VLC running on windows- it's actually missing many features from the OSX version < 1200931067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand complaining about GTK ports. . . < 1200931078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly, GTK is not designed with cross-platform operation in mind. < 1200931082 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inkscape causes me pain every time I use it. < 1200931121 0 :ehird`_!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200931137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you want to *try* the KDE ports, you can hit http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Mac_OS_X . < 1200931148 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1200931158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torrent the .dmg if you care. < 1200931160 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the last thing you heard from me < 1200931168 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1200931171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"someone else got it working though" < 1200931172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1200931179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good that's the last thing i said < 1200931202 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but honestly, I don't think anyone has any business "porting" an app to OSX without reading through this: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/chapter_1_section_1.html < 1200931241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you can get off your os x high horse < 1200931252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apps work, don't they? the system as a whole is more elegant and usable than others, no? < 1200931264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use the non-OSXy port until a more OSXy one is made. < 1200931546 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200931566 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200931687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1200931695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird < 1200931702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am on my own computer now < 1200931706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank gawd < 1200931709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200931713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kill your ghost, it's screwing up my tab-complete < 1200931717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1200931717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1200931723 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200931742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i had an idea for an underload compiler but it would be kinda slow < 1200931749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1200931750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLAMBDA < 1200931760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could always compile via Underload < 1200931766 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a semi-unrelated note, it would appear that NBC is now Apple's bitch: < 1200931768 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""'We've said all along that we admire Apple, that we want to be in business with Apple.' He then unexpectedly adds, 'We're great fans of Steve Jobs.' No telling what has caused the turnabout. Perhaps the writers strike gave both parties time to reflect on their mounting lost revenue."" < 1200931773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but: < 1200931777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to compile everything except c. < 1200931783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a way to make d work < 1200931788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of those already < 1200931789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1200931794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every argument to EVERYTHING is a thunk < 1200931806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you pass a goto ID, just like the underload compiler.. < 1200931807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1200931808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ab < 1200931809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is: < 1200931813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...compiled stuff for a... < 1200931819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALLIFY(thunky_thunk); < 1200931821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunky_thunk: < 1200931825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...compiled stuff for b... < 1200931837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, d works just by wrapping that thunk in a structure < 1200931843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ofc it could be slow. < 1200931852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also obviously you need to manage your own call stack, for c < 1200931857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically how the Underload version works < 1200931863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itslow though. < 1200931867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I wrote completely and then deleted by mistake < 1200931876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could rewrite without too much trouble < 1200931890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of writing s as s, it's written as ((^s)) < 1200931905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ab is ((^b))(^a))^^ < 1200931921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and `a`bc is (((^c))((^b))^^)((^a))^^ < 1200931934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, it will just be very inefficient < 1200931934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is the only combinator that doesn't start with ^ to evaluate its argument < 1200931944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be optimised by quite a lot < 1200931949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if we compiled to haskell this would be trivial :) < 1200931958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't have to do anything but: < 1200931965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d x = x < 1200931967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200931985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing eager evaluation would be the problem there < 1200931997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then not-forcing again when d was used < 1200932062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm yes unlambda is eager < 1200932063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1200932072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should concentrate on the underload compiler. for now. < 1200932077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have rev. 18? < 1200932154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200932180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you grok haskell? :-) < 1200932192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand it, with some thought < 1200932196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not fast at reading it < 1200932205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I understand the basics behind the way it works < 1200932212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including monads and the basics of the type system < 1200932223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write it, though? < 1200932228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily < 1200932237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know most of the built in operators and libraries < 1200932327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1200932334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let me analyze my scheme program < 1200932366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll use an awful lot of pattern matching, quite a bit of string concatentation, and maybe a state monad < 1200932367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1200932380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching I'm used to < 1200932383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most languages < 1200932563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, maybe haskell isn't the best < 1200932569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this would be ugly in an imperative language < 1200932574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with optimization < 1200932638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Obviously it should be written in underload < 1200932731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :P < 1200932802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe in GolfScript? < 1200932807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200932810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of a wimpmode for Underload < 1200932991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: parsing underload is funny < 1200932998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of having to retain strings of everything < 1200932998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200933325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to change the output rules for the next version < 1200933330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they interfere too much with optimisers < 1200933339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1200933341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fun.. < 1200933351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's hard to optimise a string when you don't know if it might have to be output literally < 1200933369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the optimization will be easy: we never remove ()s or anything like that, and we only change the [UL] not the String < 1200933414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in your case < 1200933428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of my optimising interpreter entered into Anarchy Golf < 1200933442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does optimise inside strings, luckily not affecting the output of the problem < 1200933549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Minimal+scheme+interpreter < 1200933549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1200933557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all cheats, obviously < 1200933564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd ghave to be < 1200933565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my example is wrong < 1200933686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they automatically correct mismatched parens < 1200933724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few of the Underload ones look genuine, though < 1200933766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't correct mismatched parens < 1200933770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the form is like this: < 1200933777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((a b) ...) < 1200933798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1200933851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no special variable in Perl that's 1 by default, read-write, and safely changeable? < 1200933867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not that esoteric < 1200933887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in GolfScript I could just assign to 1 as long as I didn't use it later in the program < 1200934078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: parsing underload is hsdfhsdkjhsdfjksdf < 1200934179 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200934215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200934497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Moving to a different Internet connection; will be back soon" < 1200934760 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200934842 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200935154 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200935178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1200935192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to wonder if haskell is the best language for this :P < 1200935204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not usually at all clear what the best language is < 1200935213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different people use different languages by default < 1200935270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200935289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would your preferred language be for impl the compiler? < 1200935307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use Perl by default < 1200935314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure whether it would be a good choice here < 1200935326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd most likely end up writing the whole thing as one massive regexp... < 1200935338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Perl5.10 has recursive regexps, which is great < 1200935352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that does not bode well for optimization < 1200935358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we have to do () unrolling < 1200935387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1200935406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C parsers do that sort of thing naturally, but on the other hand they tend to be large and unwieldy to start with < 1200935442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i am NOT doing c < 1200935443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200935461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one solution in any language would be to repeatedly extract inner ()s to the end of the list, replacing them with a number < 1200935469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (a(b(c)d(e)f)) < 1200935485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would change to (a(b<1>d(e)f))>1(c) < 1200935487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ofc aware how to do it < 1200935493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just elegance. < 1200935503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solution would be easy with regexen < 1200935542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... why doesn't Perl allow @_--? < 1200935542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the optimization < 1200935546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an obvious meaning < 1200935547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think perl is a good idea < 1200935553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of optimisations are you talking about? < 1200935616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that make the generated c code less dumb < 1200935616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexen? :D is that the official plural? < 1200935628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used that, but most say regexes < 1200935633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Underload optimisations I did were a case of partially parsing the program, executing all operations but : and S, and even inside quoted strings < 1200935633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also some micro-optimisations like :~ to : and deleting ~~ < 1200935634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on who you ask < 1200935649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, regexes sounds too much like the plural of regexe < 1200935656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy with regexps, though < 1200935853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1200935856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have crazy zsh-fu: < 1200935857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precmd() { print -Pn "\e]0;%n@%m:%~\a" } < 1200935857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :export PS1=$(print "%{\e[33m%}")"[%n:%~] %#"$(print "%{\e[0m%}")" " < 1200935895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION normally uses bash
< 1200935905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although zsh looks interesting as well < 1200935923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mostly just ANSI escapes, though, isn't it, rather than anything shell-specific? < 1200935932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly < 1200935939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of: < 1200935941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%X < 1200935944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is zsh specific < 1200935956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ESPECIALLY the crazy stuff i do with $(...) in there < 1200935987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(...) is also accepted by bash < 1200935992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's what happens when i run that export PS1= line in bash < 1200935993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: print: command not found < 1200935993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: print: command not found < 1200935993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[%n:%~] %# < 1200935994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might do something different, though, for all I know < 1200935998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no colours < 1200936003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: its use there is zsh-specific < 1200936015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the fisrt line gives me a line like: < 1200936020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@hostname:dir < 1200936026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get ~/... for home dirs < 1200936030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in dir. < 1200936035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty trivial < 1200936037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works robustly < 1200936043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second gives me a prompt like this: < 1200936043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % < 1200936047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coloured yellow < 1200936201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rewrite the Underload optimiser < 1200936206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in what? < 1200936217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write it in Perl, the same as the version I deleted by mistake < 1200936226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to have something to work from than to make it part of the project < 1200936228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. perl. < 1200936228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1200936232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200936236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nothing but s/// commands anyway < 1200936243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would you expect me to write it in? < 1200936250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETHING GOOD < 1200936251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200936265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Python? < 1200936272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has much the same regex syntax < 1200936287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1200936311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1200936344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200936367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optimising-inside-strings thing was too much of a problem anyway < 1200936375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you map (...)! to nothing < 1200936386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (..a..)(..b..)~ to (..b..)(..a..) < 1200936394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on for all the commands except : and S < 1200936407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that optimised generated code to quite an extent < 1200936416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generated code isn't the focus < 1200936417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks < 1200936432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, run-length encoding helps a lot with Church numerals < 1200936454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written too many programs along the lines of (::::::::::::::::****************)((a)S)~^^ < 1200936481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a completely unrelated note I need to get a decent irc client < 1200936517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one that responds to ctcp version requests? < 1200936522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1200936532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't identified. < 1200936537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's Linkinus < 1200936538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't bad < 1200936544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ui is kinda grating on me < 1200936587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Konversation at the moment, purely because it was the only one that came with Ubuntu that I could figure out how to use < 1200936620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konversation is really nice < 1200936625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it works on os x nowadays < 1200936677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do KDE apps work on OSX in general? < 1200936679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1200936685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because KDE does not like qt-mac, much < 1200936686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible < 1200936691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not fun.. you have to patch it to hell < 1200936699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got bored when i tried. < 1200936717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me find the page of someone who manaed < 1200936742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.khaitu.com/projects.php?item=23 < 1200936746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not native looking < 1200936783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200936784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a patch < 1200936785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.khaitu.com/public/kdelibs.patch < 1200936845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO ppl, wuzzup < 1200936886 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@st01-fap02.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200936898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oklopol < 1200936911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloes < 1200936927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1200936931 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1200937024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that, my wireless connection dropped and my IRC client got confused < 1200937093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really i ought to just write my own < 1200937094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200937138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have a nice portable one written in sh, dd, and netcat < 1200937147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1200937152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck netcat < 1200937155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need NETDD < 1200937161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even exist? < 1200937166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make logical sense? < 1200937172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it REALLY FUCKING SHOULD < 1200937179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, the best idea ever < 1200937185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing more for humans to accomplish < 1200937385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so! < 1200937392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language should the compiler be written in :P < 1200937394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language should the compiler be written in :P < 1200937404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not at all an easy question < 1200937413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as our programming styles are so different < 1200937418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1200937419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true < 1200937422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh stupid linkinus < 1200937424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being stupid < 1200937424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'd better pick an esolang that neither of us are comfortable with < 1200937425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1200937429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200937445 0 :ehird!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200937486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1200937495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test successful < 1200937624 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200937633 0 :slereah_!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200937697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah_ keeps dying < 1200937810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is working on a Codegolf program
< 1200937889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codegolf.com? < 1200937894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1200937897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codegolf.com = :(, it's not as fun as anarchy golf < 1200937902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not nearly as good as the regulars < 1200937906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far too serious < 1200937911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1200937915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find a balance < 1200937926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy golf is too prone to cheats and errors in the questions < 1200937941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but codegolf is too slow-moving and you never get to see the winning entries < 1200938162 0 :slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :slereah__ < 1200938259 0 :jix!i=jix@78.47.212.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200938370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I like about codegolf is that you can see your own previous entries < 1200938370 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host54-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1200938512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anarchy golf's cheats explicitly mark themselves < 1200938513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its OK < 1200938551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1200938560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be separate leaderboards for cheats and noncheats < 1200938591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just had a great idea for a golfing challenge < 1200938604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it couldn't be entered into Anarchy Golf < 1200938620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a program that given three sets of inputs and outputs, generate a program that maps those inputs to those outputs < 1200938641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably with some rule to ensure that the /output/ is small as well as the original program... < 1200938949 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200938954 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200939576 0 :ehird_!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200939619 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1200939621 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um that's trivial < 1200939637 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=>x,b=>y,c=>z -> s/a/x/, s/b/y/, s/c/z/ < 1200939644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200939662 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200939662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you'd have to try to minimise the size of the output program < 1200939678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe by ruling that the output has to be smaller than the total size of all the input < 1200939691 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1200939872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200940342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive? < 1200940345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1200940443 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1200940478 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what language would you use for the compiler that isn't perl? :P (i ought to write a program to pedantically refine my questions) < 1200940497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages would likely work < 1200940509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thinking of one in particular is hard < 1200940532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be possible to do it in a language like sed < 1200940572 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh really? < 1200940572 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1200940628 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@nat-1.elb.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1200940630 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1200940639 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any GBA/NDS programmer here right now? < 1200940650 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :willing to do a thing, of course < 1200940725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the acronym < 1200940757 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure but its not convenient < 1200940785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only because sed doesn't do arithmetic < 1200940906 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1200940921 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: because this is so relevant to esoteric programming < 1200940951 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Game Boy Advance / Nintendo DS < 1200940959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never programmed for them < 1200940963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have played them < 1200940971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's possible to program them legally < 1200940979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't do it illegally < 1200941227 0 :Tritonio__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200941234 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn linkinus < 1200941236 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being stupid < 1200941255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1200941432 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as far as I know, it's quite legal to do so using something like the CycloDS with devkitpro :) < 1200941449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that advice < 1200941503 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a DS with various stuff for running homebrew. never got 'round to really doing the homebrew stuff < 1200941544 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i love my 'GBA Movie player' hacked for the purposes of taking a flash card and providing it in a form readable by the MAX Media Player.. the GBA movie player having hacked-upfrlashed < 1200941550 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hacked-up firmware < 1200941554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200941560 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very 'clean' solution.. < 1200942145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nice golfing trick I discovered: < 1200942162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to initialise a variable to a high number as a loop counter, and don't care which one, use $$ < 1200942172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. current process's PID) < 1200942177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally well over 1000 < 1200942282 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs used that for the counter prog. < 1200942286 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the run 1: 1 < 1200942287 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run 2: 2 < 1200942289 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run 3: 3 one < 1200942295 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest was this iirc: < 1200942301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print$$%7; < 1200942372 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1+$$%3; # a robust solution < 1200942380 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles 1,2,3,1,2,3,... < 1200942496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was used as randomisation, though, rather than just initialising a loop counter < 1200942659 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not randomization < 1200942663 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code golf will do: < 1200942667 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run program first < 1200942667 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1200942668 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third < 1200942671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's sequential < 1200942678 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring really weird things happenin < 1200942679 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1200942686 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: print$$%7; < 1200943008 0 :Deewiant!n=mniemenm@iruel.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1200943059 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So! < 1200943070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what? < 1200943082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't going to ask me what language you want to write the compiler in again, are you? < 1200943132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i know! < 1200943135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1200943136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1200943751 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1200943752 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1200944782 0 :ehird-!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200945113 0 :ehird-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55+2=4 < 1200945124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what context? < 1200945209 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses at modulo 53 arirthmetic
< 1200945248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"55" = "5 + 5" = "10", 10_2 = 2_10, 2 + 2 = 4? < 1200945432 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@219-88-194-41.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200945440 0 :ehird-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1200945667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklo/msgping < 1200945669 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1200946467 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200946637 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200947340 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200947496 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1200947513 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200947765 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1200947820 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200947835 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200948098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye everyone!" < 1200948136 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200948849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1200948859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy guy. < 1200948861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1200948877 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200948903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you appeared again < 1200948904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1200948907 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200948947 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200948952 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200949182 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200949203 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200949438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is dead? < 1200949474 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200949509 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200949513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1200950157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ping < 1200950164 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200950216 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200950907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...olp! < 1200950926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm never physically gone, just thinking. < 1200950955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't stop thinking! remember descartes < 1200950998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sign with a D on it saying 'I think therefore I am' < 1200951002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now: go forth, and laugh < 1200951006 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200951016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;))))))))))))))))))) < 1200951021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :descartes ouned ass < 1200952032 0 :recon!n=recon@unaffiliated/recon JOIN :#esoteric < 1200952039 0 :recon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200952173 0 :Slereah!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-1-22.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200952508 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200953352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200953606 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200954000 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200955188 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1200955212 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1200955629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1200955702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+3 < 1200955854 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}}}} < 1200955967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1200956268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks < 1200956290 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sold! < 1200956429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ most confusing conversation ever ^^ < 1200956456 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I didn't just sold you my sister or something. < 1200957100 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200957279 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200958716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold: #web < 1200958718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:37:34] ehird: COBOL is a bad idea? You have an objective reason for that as well? < 1200958728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second-best place for esoteric programmers, apart from #esoteric < 1200958841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall even COBOL is objective these days. < 1200958914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1200961446 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200961451 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200962115 0 :immibis_!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200962136 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1200963276 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1200963805 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200963906 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.229.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200964346 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Arr." < 1200965371 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}}}}" for? < 1200965411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :von neumann numeral 5 < 1200965436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/numeral/ordinal/, possibly < 1200965478 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1200965491 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a cheap knock-off of RETURN? < 1200965534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. perhaps the other way around... :D < 1200965566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 = {0,1,...,n} < 1200965572 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200966031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knokw what we mean? < 1200966046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*need < 1200966056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minesweeper unit cell :) < 1200967299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp WTF: progn is a special form, whereas it can be trivially defined as a function < 1200967301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun my-progn (&rest args) (if (endp args) nil (car (last args)))) < 1200967310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a reason for it < 1200967388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considerably older than the &rest keyword i think < 1200967445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a good piont < 1200967446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i vaguely recall originally you could have goto's in it < 1200967447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1200967457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however, it is still true inthe Common Lisp spec < 1200967465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which most definately has all that's required for the above < 1200967485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you still can have goto's and labels in it < 1200967504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200967507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: CL hyperspec < 1200967535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is: http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/speope_progn.html ) < 1200967540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1200967543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of prog < 1200967544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not progn < 1200967544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1200967563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If progn appears as a top level form, then all forms within that progn are considered by the compiler to be top level forms. ;; maybe this is why it's a special form < 1200967574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200967586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a pretty bizzare rule < 1200967586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses that? < 1200967596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to allow macros to expand to more than one declaration < 1200967600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1200967607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess nobody uses the 2 roman numeral outputs either, but this IS common lisp) < 1200967615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that too :) < 1200967622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how I long for Scheme to be practical, I do...) < 1200967669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200967673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs' lisp indentation is fuckde < 1200967682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first term of an IF is indented to the condition but beyond that 2 spaces < 1200967686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is emacs lisp convention < 1200967689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it has an implicit progn) < 1200967870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1200967874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIME fixes that up nicely. < 1200968095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly I am the only person who is going to use Lisp and Haskell in harmony as my only two 'main' languages for writing the web apps running my website.. < 1200968211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels obliged to mention Liskell
< 1200968221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've actually tried it... < 1200968227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liskell is... crappy < 1200968247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say that it isn't an adequate Lisp, and it isn't an adequate Haskell < 1200968288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe Lisp and Haskell are the top of the chain as far as abstraction and elegance goes in programming languages < 1200968295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them both equally, and will use them both equally < 1200968511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I definately like Emacs/SLIME enough that not using Lisp would be unacceptable just because I'd deny myself that luxury! < 1200968526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly is rapid < 1200969345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all died < 1200969417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS... BRAINS... < 1200971597 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200971710 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200971827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200971929 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200973886 0 :uvanta!n=uvanta__@116.45.53.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200976936 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. Hard work pays off in the future, l < 1200977183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200978044 0 :adu!n=andrew@pool-71-126-134-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200979090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200979385 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200979847 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200980069 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200980666 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200981616 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200988799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200988800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200989658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200991652 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-1-22.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200992486 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. thx." < 1200993369 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200994139 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200997736 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be pages that already exist in the "wanted pages" < 1200997767 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because of different case. < 1200997793 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also vaguely different spellings < 1200997918 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example? < 1200997964 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bot can handle it, but if there's not so much case of it, we can just fix it one by one < 1200997967 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing Tarpit instead of Turing tarpit < 1200997972 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines < 1200998026 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's create some redirect pages then < 1200998044 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do. < 1200998060 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as my connection gets better. < 1200998143 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will help
< 1200998275 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All better. < 1200998293 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that "Weird" is supposed to be "Wierd"? < 1200998366 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Wierd is the name of an esolang < 1200998494 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after checking http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Wantedpages < 1200998554 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we may have some policy like, say, "You can state the author of language, but don't link it" < 1200999278 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.229.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201004158 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Post machine is much better to make some Brainfuck interpreter. < 1201004174 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The + and - are shorter to do < 1201005429 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1201007449 0 :jix!i=jix@78.47.212.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201008528 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-233-27.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1201010030 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1201010929 0 :helios24!i=chaos@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012371 0 :ehird!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Liskell is serious < 1201012449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1201012452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bizzare < 1201012638 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012985 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"blame!" < 1201013121 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liskell? < 1201013133 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp + haskell = eldrich horror? < 1201013133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell with lisp syntax < 1201013135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's haskell with a lot of prefix notation and parentheses < 1201013139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wrong < 1201013143 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1201013147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not? < 1201013148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liskell.com < 1201013150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they have a dot com < 1201013151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1201013155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1201013155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot org < 1201013156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse < 1201013189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org is bad? < 1201013198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something as silly as liskell? < 1201013199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1201013223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deserves a single page in someone's personal site with no design, about 1.5 screenfuls long, calling it 'a little toy hack' < 1201013237 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".org" is equivalent to saying "This is super serious guys" < 1201013249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read in whatever funny voice you like < 1201013249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so? < 1201013254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should get vjn.org < 1201013254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never looked at it but my impression was it made it easy to add lisp-style macros to a haskell < 1201013262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: 'xactly... though my site is elliotthird.org :-) < 1201013271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my site is super serious, guys! < 1201013282 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my site is rodger.nonlogic.org, which is also super serious < 1201013304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current iteration i'm working on uses about 5% of my horizontal screen real estate, heh < 1201013310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a good thing: it's easier to read small columns < 1201013320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hails from oerjan.nvg.org, which indeed has no design :D
< 1201013370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that is nvg being pretentious about getting an .org, not me (canonical name is nvg.ntnu.no) < 1201013406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 'be all and end all' site has been in the works for a looong time now < 1201013423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like late 2005 i decided i wanted a place to dump everything in a unified interface and all that jazz? < 1201013441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've made dozens of half-baked attempts, given up on some half-way through... :-) < 1201013452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, elliotthird.org will work and have loads of stuff on.. < 1201013465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a jazz site you say? < 1201013471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1201013473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not quite < 1201013610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.skitch.com/20080121-g12n6u3knnpn96pcjqmb22yi4d.png this is the current iteration's design right now, i don't think i can get it any more minimalistic < 1201013656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably only looks nice on Safari/mac and Firefox/mac < 1201013661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dread to think what it looks like in IE < 1201013714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the .png looks fine in IE ;) < 1201013720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1201013721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1201013750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make the whole site an imagemapped png :-) < 1201013758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that everyone can have the lovely rendering and fonts of Safari/mac! < 1201013767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better not use transparency though for fear of IE :D < 1201013779 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, use SVG! < 1201013789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: im sure IE will love that < 1201013809 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVG with VML appended to the end! < 1201013837 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no no no, use html and text! < 1201013849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know i'd put a page up for you to test in IE but i don't have anywhere to do it, i'm still waiting to revamp elliotthird.org's server :P < 1201013858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tejeez: now THAT's a weird idea! < 1201014069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :progn < 1201014079 0 :progn!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1201014089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never miss the oppertunity to register a good nick < 1201014117 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. how many do you have? < 1201014182 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I like it < 1201014191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: thanks :) < 1201014194 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appeals to my aesthetic < 1201014226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: the css is 51 short lines, including blank ones < 1201014233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the html is 39 < 1201014240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, i say < 1201014240 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1201014255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it scales pretty well with text upsizing/downsizing < 1201014258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in safari < 1201014267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the content area grows when you put it up, shoving the menu to the side < 1201014270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vise-versa for down < 1201014282 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PHP parts of the source to my page are at least as long as the HTML parts, and my page displays properly on my palm pilot. < 1201014307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, php. this is all going to be generated by some lisp or haskell code :) < 1201014317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely.. including the css < 1201014326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% same structure of course < 1201014334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no fiddly html or css apart from in a DSL < 1201014339 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my site looks better in lynx than in firefox. < 1201014349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i should try lynx < 1201014356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work fine, my markup is completely cruft-free < 1201014369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only structure is: < 1201014386 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not DIV soup < 1201014394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div#content { h1 "page title", ...content... }, div#info { h1 "Elliott Hird", ul#menu { ...menu items... } } < 1201014399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two divs. < 1201014442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, my site looks great in lynx < 1201014452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu is at the bottom of the page, which is good because it means the content is at the top < 1201014463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code block is pushed to the left hand column, though, and is right below the second paragraph < 1201014466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no blank line in between < 1201014468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is one below < 1201014479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing in my markup to say that should happen, so that's lynx' problem < 1201014525 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just

and

/ ?
< 1201014548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: 
second paragraph
the code
third paragraph
< 1201014558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: 
 is a perfectly valid way of marking up code, it's the most sensible too)
< 1201014581 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I do it too
< 1201014661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might spontaneously decide to switch to html 4.01 without a doctype, in protest of the standards freaks :D
< 1201014691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live by the motto of 'get some logically decent structure, add styling to your taste, done'
< 1201014697 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do things the overly complicated way of replacing \n with 
, etc
< 1201014708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: that's semantically ugly though.
< 1201014720 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more difficult but the presentation is more uniform cross platform
< 1201014736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh how so
< 1201014742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
CODE GOES HERE
< 1201014746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is consistant
< 1201014763 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the display of that construct is heavily dependent upon your browser
< 1201014768 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's "consistent"
< 1201014776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it?
< 1201014778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell me
< 1201014827 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it good that a user agent can display the content in the most appropriate way for its platform?
< 1201014868 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: that's a more reasonable criticism
< 1201014879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously
< 1201014885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen 
 display differently
< 1201014899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have linebreaks or indentation between 
, the code, and 
< 1201014902 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used browsers in my time that ignore one or both of those tags
< 1201014939 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PalmScape, for one- many mobile browsers are guilty of this
< 1201014953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. palm os.
< 1201014957 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, basic tags like 
 are pretty much universally supported
< 1201014964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken browsers on palm os are >not< my concern.
< 1201014974 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartphones, embedded systems, etc
< 1201014982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartphones are very good at html nowadays.
< 1201014988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the iPhone and Nokia's
< 1201014995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, iPhone just uses webkit
< 1201014997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no wonder
< 1201015001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nokia's is based on webkit too
< 1201015020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my design also works in lynx/(e)links
< 1201015026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only uncertainity is about IE/win really.
< 1201015033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's very much good enough for me
< 1201015053 0 :ais523!n=ais523@st01-fap02.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1201015067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523
< 1201015070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird
< 1201015081 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's simple enough that it *should* work... it depends how the info section is pushed to the side... is it floated to the right?
< 1201015093 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even to the left
< 1201015105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: would you like me to dump my html and css code?
< 1201015121 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not have IE to test it?
< 1201015123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i'll combine them: replace the  with a