< 1196901828 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196902328 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-132.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196904175 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1196904781 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-229.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1196905474 0 :DocWilco!n=drwilco@ishtar.drwilco.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196908628 0 :MrArmadillo!n=a@cpe-66-74-149-10.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196908979 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. Hard work pays off in the future, l < 1196909466 0 :MrArmadillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, someone divide 482 in half. < 1196909564 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it < 1196909577 0 :MrArmadillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1196909653 0 :Bigcheese!n=bigchees@adsl-074-244-041-109.sip.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196909750 0 :MrArmadillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone please find my IP and display it here in the channel. < 1196909759 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1196909772 0 :MrArmadillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... thank you for the effort. < 1196909796 0 :MrArmadillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196909803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1196910519 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66.74.149.10 < 1196910538 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1196910591 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I did what he asked < 1196910639 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his IP is version 4 < 1196910666 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can connect to freenode with ipv6 < 1196910693 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can < 1196910723 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1196910731 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can < 1196910734 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad ISPs hate us all < 1196910748 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wont do ipv6 to the home ;/ < 1196911574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad ISPs hate us all, and won't do 10BASE-T to the home. < 1196911586 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1196911586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much less some nice fiber) < 1196911612 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1196911630 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10BASE-T to the home would suck... unless they where under 100m from your house < 1196911641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheese: You know what I mean. < 1196911654 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196911664 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10mb isn't really all that great anyway < 1196911681 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can already do that with good dsl or cable < 1196911712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1196911716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Korea? :p < 1196911730 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa < 1196911731 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1196911738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado Springs, CO. < 1196911742 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korea has 100mb to every home < 1196911745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 MBs down, 512K up. < 1196911745 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196911746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1196911748 0 :Bigcheese!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1196911903 0 :Sabskm!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-132.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196912726 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196922672 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1196923344 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196924002 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-173-200.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196927999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1196928000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1196933683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1196935829 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196939241 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a fractran interpreter in J < 1196939242 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*{~1 i.~[@(=<.)@:*) < 1196939255 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe interpreter is the wrong word but it runs the thing < 1196939394 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(example use http://rafb.net/p/4VYh4b29.txt ) < 1196939548 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should add that to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran ? < 1196940034 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... killed EgoBot? :( < 1196940287 0 :Sabskm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGOBOT! SPEAK TO MEEEEE! < 1196940387 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-132.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196941308 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh? < 1196941455 0 :Sabskm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196942375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so sad Sabskm is gone :< < 1196942693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me. < 1196943691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1196945491 0 :Sabskm!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-10-132.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196946211 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1196946213 0 :Sabskm!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1196946800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes, i'm referring to the consonant cluster, you rarely see that nice ones < 1196946806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for bsmnt of course < 1196946841 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sabskm derives from egyptian. < 1196946857 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I don't know most of the vowels involved, that's that. < 1196946905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not being sarcastic, and you know egyptian? < 1196946975 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1196946987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just browsed some egyptian grammar. < 1196947519 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-046-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1196949621 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196951045 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host100-81-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1196951887 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1196952632 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1196954532 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1196954542 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-187-085.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1196954662 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196956128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1196958022 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1196959879 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-78-29.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196962529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196964131 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196965233 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196965525 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a turing-incomplete catagory in the wiki? < 1196966976 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-170.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1196967492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196968073 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196968081 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1196968796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: finite automaton and pushdown automaton are included in turing-incomplete, but there is no supercategory < 1196968839 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.. ones which are not turing complete < 1196968859 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like regex, SQL, Haskell type system, etc < 1196968870 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although those aren't esoteric ones I suppose) < 1196968871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand. it would be a supercategory of both FSA and PDA < 1196968884 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a supercatagory? < 1196968919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a category that includes the others < 1196968939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hierarchical sense, not the category theory sense < 1196968941 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh < 1196968948 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I totally misread what you first said < 1196968980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeh, i wonder if they have categories on the category theory wiki < 1196969146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category: Computational class only has FSA, PDA, TC and unknown class < 1196969257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, Esolang:Categorization contains uncomputable but it's not included in the supercategory < 1196969356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1196969990 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196970805 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1196970938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196970966 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196971568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p163633625.txt <<< i wonder if i'll get a tc system by adding these retarded random instructions for long enough :P < 1196971649 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes with laughter at this ! < 1196971673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point, at least once that's ready, and has more instructions than any language ever. < 1196971682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not like it's hard making more of those...) < 1196971723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c - outputs "the following is a quine" + source code in ascii <<< i'm very proud of this one < 1196971795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lie, isn't it? < 1196971832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196971844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fool many! < 1196971845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1196971891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about adding a colon and space after quine? < 1196971895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write this in python or something, english gets a bit clumsy when there's no idea behind the instructions. < 1196971916 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot stop laughing at "baby you make me sing" < 1196971917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i left that out on purpose. < 1196971926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1196971969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting if there was a program that constantly tried to get something tc out of my instructions, and when it found it, it'd make a bling of some sort < 1196971985 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1196972020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could just add and add, and when it found tcness, i could check if it's non trivial enough to leave in, or do i have to add "and after then, output 'btw this is instruction that makes the language tc '" < 1196972051 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is turing complete often a goal for language design ? < 1196972059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196972071 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that turing complete is a good thing to avoid, as well! < 1196972074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least among esoterists < 1196972081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1196972084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as interesting < 1196972092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess anything can be made interesting < 1196972105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: you mentioned pens for stick bombs a few months ago right? < 1196972159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried making a basic popsicle stick bomb with a pen in the middle... the stick crack instantly < 1196972195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, using a harder material than those sticks does not allow for any trivial bomb structure < 1196972223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure there's *some* bomb-tc structure for any hardness, though. < 1196972243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bomb tc, more like bomb fsa < 1196972261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can't make an infinitely exploding bomb ofc < 1196972300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to come up with a structure you can extend arbitrarily, but now that i found it, i have a new hobby :P < 1196972318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been making unstable stick frames all day! < 1196972335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely exploding bombs require strange matter... < 1196972372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, indeed, just as well as you can use tc for an asm, you could use it for stick bombs. < 1196972390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess it'll only make sense if there's at least *some* rebuilding going on < 1196972415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's just a continuous explosion, i don't really see a possibility for computation < 1196972469 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what about them school shootings? < 1196972632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i think you should drop those plans < 1196972649 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wut? < 1196972688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just leaping to the natural conclusion given the current conversation + your nick :D < 1196972708 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1196972723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION contemplates killing everyone in his school with a massive stick bomb... twice < 1196972763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i consider myself having a school really < 1196972775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have... 0 lessons a week there < 1196972783 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that the performance of past school shootings have been rather dismal < 1196972858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the general consensus < 1196972877 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the v. tech man did rather well though < 1196973081 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a Turing machine where all symbol transitions go into a "lower" symbol is Turing-complete. < 1196973085 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can be, that is. < 1196973111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196973113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1196973139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1196973141 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Represent a cell as two cells. 00 means 0, 01 means 1, 11 means "ignore this cell". Except, hmm... < 1196973144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1196973152 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can delete cells but you can't add them. < 1196973173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you add? < 1196973182 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't turn 11 into 00 or 01. < 1196973188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have 4 states < 1196973195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a hundred < 1196973200 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 10 could somehow mean to add an additional cell. < 1196973220 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just move everything over, which is easy-ish. < 1196973235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy conceptually < 1196973242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well any finite set of cells could only be changed a finite number of times < 1196973246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, easy to visualize that it's *possible* < 1196973253 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have an end-of-tape marker. When you want to turn 1 into 0, copy it all over. < 1196973260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196973278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could simulate a tag system < 1196973280 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow as glass, but eh. < 1196973288 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, tag systems, yeah. < 1196973305 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a Grand Unified Programming Language < 1196973313 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1196973345 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language that any other programming language can trivially be compiled into! < 1196973358 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess we need to define "programming language". < 1196973363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really think of any way to do any computation in stick bombs < 1196973386 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems possible. < 1196973399 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host100-81-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1196973421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder if you could have a system with just multiple tape heads, and just destructive 0->1 transitions... < 1196973427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have that be tc < 1196973453 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Represent the bomb as a directed graph where the nodes are gates that can send output along each line once. < 1196973478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have some boolean operations at nodes? < 1196973482 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1196973503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just as long a sequence as can possibly be used... that's definately < 1196973506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possible* < 1196973512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how can you make a port... < 1196973518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION implements! < 1196973520 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time gate: inputs are A and B, output is X. If you get an input along A, send output on X. If you get an input along B then A, do not sent output on X. < 1196973555 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realize that and the world will be in the palm of your hands. Probably. < 1196973559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so B just destroys, A continues the chain reaction onto x < 1196973580 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1196973596 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need an AND and an OR, which should be easy. < 1196973599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically a... what's that gizmo called xD < 1196973616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make and and or using that < 1196973618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks < 1196973630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a transistor < 1196973638 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think ao. < 1196973660 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ao/so/, of course. < 1196973661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking it can simulate one given perfectly timed actionz < 1196973674 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A transistor is pretty much an AND or an AND NOT gate. < 1196973733 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea behind the time gate is that you can represent a value with two lines: if you find it's 0, set off the 0 line; if you find it's 1, set off the 1 line. < 1196973751 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the gate does something useful with this. :-P < 1196973762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a transistor < 1196973786 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A transistor doesn't care which order the voltages come in, does it? < 1196973803 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One on input then one on control is just as good as one on control then one on input. < 1196973819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think more like they have to com at the same time < 1196973825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cum < 1196973835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying it's the exact same < 1196973851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying you can do the and and or ports the same way as with transistors < 1196973861 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1196973893 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this time gate is really a NOT gate that waits a while. < 1196973902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not, actually... i feel there is an isomorphism, but it's not trivial enough i could actually see what it is < 1196973950 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be. The time gate has a state: given that A and B are both set off, you can't tell whether X is set off. < 1196974009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i don't have enough sticks to try anything interesting < 1196974026 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NOT is really unnecessary; you can do the same thing with separate lines for 0 and 1. < 1196974037 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd DCC my sticks to you, if that were possible. < 1196974043 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have plenty. < 1196974047 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1196974054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "plenty"? < 1196974058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 30 < 1196974096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 4 sticks for a sticksize*sticksize cell < 1196974110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus 1 extra @ each termination point < 1196974140 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have over 250. < 1196974146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1196974153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have you made anything with them= < 1196974154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1196974162 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are currently not in a "made" form. < 1196974166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1196974167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1196974169 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made stuff with them, though. < 1196974177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have lots of ice cream?= :) < 1196974190 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought them at a craft store. :-) < 1196974209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... then i don't know what you mean by "\"made\" form" < 1196974228 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, we all know that the most important tool in bomb building is a heavy book. :-) < 1196974239 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made stuff with them, then un-made it and put the sticks back in the box. < 1196974253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the biggest you've made? < 1196974287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use my hands, have so little sticks i didn't exactly need any help making a full bomb < 1196974290 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a bomb with about 6 segments, each a stick long. < 1196974291 0 :Jontte!n=joonas@dsl-hkibras1-ff0ac300-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1196974295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wight < 1196974296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1196974304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an 8-long < 1196974309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like a 3-minute job < 1196974315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need sticks=!= < 1196974317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196974328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i seem to need a bigger question mark button < 1196974347 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could pastebin our designs, sort of. < 1196974356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1196974385 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using the overlapping HH for your segmented bombs? < 1196974394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is what tim fort uses, i think, copied the rectangular look, and the rest was pretty obvious < 1196974400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1196974446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also made something using an x or some sort, but it's harder to make, and uses just as many sticks; and much less stable < 1196974484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also tried to make the 4-stick form extendable, but it doesn't work. < 1196974494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-stick bomb < 1196974514 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've pondered that. < 1196974581 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's an interesting terminator. < 1196974593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1196974609 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the slash-V part of the four-stick bomb. < 1196974691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can act as a terminator for the segmented bomb. It has three sticks, which is the minimum. < 1196974731 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, of course, for the single stick, which can also act as a terminator but can't attach to itself. < 1196974799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, terminator for a sequence of rectangles, not a terminator for an explosion :) < 1196974837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed, that is a nice terminator < 1196974838 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book is a terminator for an explosion. :-) < 1196974858 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since we're inventing terminology, I think I'll call the HH a bridge. < 1196974861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, indeed... perhaps you could make an explosion make a book fall? < 1196974879 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds easy enough. You just need sticks that are sturdy enough to hold up a book. < 1196974889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's feasible, since i thought of it as a bridge too, at some point < 1196974916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the term came from my 3*1 one with a pen in the middle... it was kinda brigey) < 1196974920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bridgey < 1196974924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridgy < 1196974960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have bigger sticks at the book felling part < 1196974965 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll also call this whole thing the DUD paradigm: one stick is pushed down, one is pushed up, one is pushed down. < 1196974999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, of the other way around < 1196975002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or < 1196975224 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DUD" is a word, so it's better. :-) < 1196975281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but isn't it a bit misleading? < 1196975332 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it's "dud"? < 1196975369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't dud something that does *not* explode? < 1196975421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to find something with T and N instead :) < 1196975425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can picture it now, you have two sets of 4 detonators, and a set of 8 detonators in the other end, to receive the result of a 4-bit multiplication! < 1196975436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1196975461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :työntö / nosto < 1196975641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: have you built anything 3d? < 1196975703 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196975713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: have you built anything 3d? < 1196975733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cube can be built with a hook < 1196975747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i haven't tried < 1196975788 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've built something 3d with pencils and rubber bands :-P < 1196975806 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess calling it the TNT paradigm is pretty obvious. < 1196975840 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it stand for? < 1196975849 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that the N is "negative" is easy. < 1196975893 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should come up with a reason for calling it U2,3,5 :-P < 1196976146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, työntö/nosto ;) < 1196976151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm < 1196976154 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. What's it mean? < 1196976161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push/lift :D < 1196976167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly correct < 1196976169 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's easy :-) < 1196976192 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than "tower" or "traverse" or "treason" or something. < 1196976203 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "topple". "Top", maybe. < 1196976212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top/negative! < 1196976215 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But top/negative doesn't make much sense. < 1196976219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...heh < 1196976235 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Työntö/nosto is better, I'm guessing. < 1196976237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, 3d with pens and rubber bands... the question is, did it explode? < 1196976248 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1196976255 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe slightly. < 1196976255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you don't mind it's finnish and has an umlaut ;) < 1196976287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually took some rubber bands out and tried making a 3d one... but i'm pretty sure no one in the world is that handy. < 1196976289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1196976296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's im fucking possible < 1196976298 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we ever make a wiki, we could have {{tyonto}} be "työntö". < 1196976315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyoentoe xD < 1196976320 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1196976333 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd go well with my Goedel and Schroedinger. < 1196976351 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, shall we make a stick bomb wiki somewhere? :-) < 1196976399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 3d-model was to have two basic rectangles, lift them up, and put a rubber band where pull is needed, and a stick where a push is needed... neither of those exactly makes it stable enough to stand on it's own... < 1196976407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, sure :P < 1196976448 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's easy enough to build a cube with sticks and rubber bands. < 1196976453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll put it on the esolang wiki under "very finited state automata" < 1196976454 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do the honors. :-P < 1196976470 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, on Esolang? How mundane. < 1196976475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1196976476 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet how practical. < 1196976489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saying it'd be easy to make a cube bomb? :O < 1196976493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bow thee, master < 1196976501 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say a bomb. :-) < 1196976513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1196976519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's incredibly simple :) < 1196976523 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just take a bomb and use it as one of the faces, though :-P < 1196976534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all the walls < 1196976538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't fully detonate. < 1196976554 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1196976567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1196976582 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1196976589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried putting two one-stick-terminated ..tnt's together? < 1196976601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sometimes blow up, but usually not. < 1196976623 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean stick terminator, HH, HH, stick terminator? < 1196976627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting, actually, to make a long chaing, and just make them explode one by one < 1196976630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1196976634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an HH < 1196976637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully terminated < 1196976638 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-) < 1196976652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an HH with the other termination shared with the first one < 1196976659 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1196976665 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Term, HH, term, HH, term, then? < 1196976670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196976686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i see the formal grammar is beginning to form ;) < 1196976695 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1196976741 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next it'll be | HH | HH |. < 1196976742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could you pastebin the exact form of your thing somehow? i want to be sure we really have the same one, even though i'm fairly sure we do < 1196976745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196976760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we realize a H never exists alone < 1196976763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |H|H| < 1196976766 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1196976776 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are multiple ways to make a |H|H|. < 1196976784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196976802 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The H's interfaces could be on opposite sides, or they could be on the same side overlapping various ways. < 1196976819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but each of them is stable, to some extent < 1196976834 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1196976853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried them all before realizing the key to extendability is not to find the correct one of those... but to leave the terminator out. < 1196976862 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1196976882 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a machine that can churn out an |HHHHHHHHHHHHH| in fifteen seconds. < 1196976890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1196976907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196976914 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk* *Pthththththththt!* "Darn it!" < 1196976918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they sell those... < 1196976939 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we'd have to build one, or use some other all-purpose machine. :-) < 1196976970 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, an obvious abbreviation would be something like |H2|. < 1196976977 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1196976989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do we have any tc stick builders on the wiki? < 1196977008 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC stick builders? < 1196977024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be, yes, but if you wanna extend that to other directions... < 1196977027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1196977031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|H2| would be nice < 1196977044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you made anything but straight lines? < 1196977052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a 3*3 square < 1196977066 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course 2 isn't shorter than H by much. < 1196977072 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of 3*3 square? < 1196977083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually i didn't finish it, it blew apart when i was adding the last corner < 1196977086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1196977094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i had the basic H < 1196977101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make |H3| < 1196977113 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you make it turn? < 1196977124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then took the middle, and added a |H3| to form a cross < 1196977137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the middles of the |H3|'s were the same < 1196977137 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hum... < 1196977149 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may know what you mean. < 1196977151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1196977185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what forms you can extend it, but that model is very extendable < 1196977213 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove the side of an H and put a different bridge in there? < 1196977224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196977229 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries < 1196977374 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, the major thing is a cross with interfaces around it. < 1196977397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1196977409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i didn't manage to build it right away < 1196977419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because i don't use a book < 1196977443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because i build on my bed, which is prolly not optimal < 1196977477 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1196977565 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I made an L. < 1196977618 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes four |H|s and connects them with a cross < 1196977641 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196977652 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually doesn't, because he's hungry < 1196977667 0 :Jontte!n=joonas@dsl-hkibras1-ff0ac300-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1196977696 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196977716 0 :Jontte!n=joonas@dsl-hkibras1-ff0ac300-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1196977729 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like flexible three-slot Lincoln logs would be nice. < 1196977881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make the 3*3 square now < 1196978553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, can't even succeed in the 3*3 cross anymore... < 1196978730 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!n=chatzill@host86-148-59-199.range86-148.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196979302 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196979314 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]" < 1196979336 0 :Jontte!n=joonas@dsl-hkibras1-ff0ac300-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1196979680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it! < 1196979694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took only like 10 tries... < 1196980686 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196981206 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1196981475 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1196982281 0 :Jontte!n=joonas@dsl-hkibras1-ff0ac300-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric