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01:05:02 <pikhq> I fully intend, next year, to laugh at the undergrad CS students who don't know shit about coding.
01:05:13 <pikhq> Moreover, I plan to do it in Brainfuck.
01:07:09 <pikhq> Perhaps assisted with my friendly compiler. :)
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01:46:36 <lament> pikhq: it's impolite to laugh at people just because they don't know something they're not even supposed to know.
01:47:27 <pikhq> lament: I refuse to be polite, then.
01:48:04 <lament> ok, i'll laugh at you because you don't know Russian, then.
01:48:16 <lament> really, how can anybody be that stupid? :)
01:48:56 <pikhq> It'd only be silly if I went in as a Russian major.
01:49:04 <pikhq> And then claimed to be a god at Russian.
01:49:18 <pikhq> (like the people I intend to laugh at claim to be a god at coding)
01:49:33 <lament> the CS program assumes no knowledge of programming
01:50:04 <pikhq> And I assume that the mathematics program assumes no knowledge of math?
01:50:04 <lament> much unlike the math program
01:50:17 <bsmntbombdood> lament: it should
01:50:23 <lament> bsmntbombdood: why?
01:51:02 <pikhq> Inevitably, the ones who will stick around in such a program *already know a bit about programming*.
01:51:08 <lament> pikhq: that's not true.
01:51:26 <lament> lots of people learn programming while in the CS program.
01:52:36 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: be aware of the fact that virtually all introductory (read: required) CS courses specify a language for the completion of all assignments.
01:53:03 <bsmntbombdood> in a math program, you're expected to know the language of math, ie algebra
01:53:06 <lament> pikhq: in my university, there was an exam you could take to skip the first few courses.
01:53:10 <bsmntbombdood> so the same should be true in a cs program
01:53:18 <lament> bsmntbombdood: ...why?
01:53:30 <lament> pikhq: so people who already knew programming could take the exam, and others would take those courses.
01:53:33 <pikhq> Particularly when it is plausible for someone to know programming by age 8. . .
01:53:45 <RodgerTheGreat> if you get into an AI course or something and still want to use PEBBLE, be my guest. However, CS 1001 or whatever-the-hell-it's-called introductory programming is going to use either C++ or Java, period.
01:54:01 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: C++ at the college I want to go to.
01:54:06 <pikhq> Fortuitously, I *know* C++.
01:54:18 <ihope> Age 8? Pah. :-P
01:54:21 <pikhq> And I'd love to do one assignment in PEBBLE, for no good reason. :p
01:54:31 <lament> bsmntbombdood: note that the analogy is doubly broken because the CS program *also* expects you to know math, just like the math program.
01:54:33 <bsmntbombdood> RodgerTheGreat: that's stupid
01:54:47 <bsmntbombdood> java and c++ don't have anything to offer to CS
01:54:47 <lament> bsmntbombdood: in fact, both programs expect you to know what you're taught in HS.
01:54:56 <ihope> Not that I know when I learned Pascal. That was a while ago.
01:55:01 <lament> bsmntbombdood: which involves a lot of math and no (mandatory) CS.
01:55:10 <RodgerTheGreat> bsmntbombdood: 1) try being a fucking grader, 2) those intro courses are *largely* about teaching sane coding style, formatting and commenting practice
01:55:12 <bsmntbombdood> lament: if you can't learn anything on your own, you're stupid
01:55:26 <bsmntbombdood> RodgerTheGreat: ...then they aren't CS
01:55:32 <lament> bsmntbombdood: there's a difference between "can" and "should"
01:55:34 <pikhq> Imagine you going in as an English major, and enter not knowing English. . .
01:55:57 <lament> pikhq: with languages *other* than English, that's exactly how it works.
01:56:06 <lament> You could enter not knowing any Spanish, and then become a Spanish major.
01:56:14 <pikhq> lament: I assume this is a school somewhere where English is spoken natively.
01:56:18 <lament> right.
01:56:20 <RodgerTheGreat> bsmntbombdood: why is it valuable to have CS majors without practical coding experience? Theory is far less useful if nobody knows how to apply it in a useful fashion.
01:57:04 <lament> anyway, faculties can't assume that you know anything beyond high school stuff. Otherwise, nobody would go to said faculties.
01:57:26 <pikhq> lament: Programming courses for a computer science program should honestly be considered remedial courses. . .
01:57:28 <lament> so all faculties assume english, and all faculties assume math, and none of them assume programming.
01:57:40 <bsmntbombdood> lament: i would
01:57:41 <ihope> The subject "English" is a horrible spectrum ranging from literature to spelling.
01:57:51 <lament> pikhq: sure, just like basic spanish courses are "remedial" for a spanish major
01:57:57 <ihope> The two are pretty much unrelated.
01:57:58 <pikhq> And try to get high schools to actually match that.
01:58:28 <pikhq> ihope: For a degree in English, literature is usually what is being referred to. ;)
01:58:30 <lament> pikhq: well, *given* the high schools, universities are pretty much doing the best they can.
01:59:20 <pikhq> Given the high schools, I'm surprised people can even wipe their ass after graduating from high school.
01:59:46 <ihope> Is that supposed to be taught in schools at all?
01:59:47 <RodgerTheGreat> there are a depressing number of people who choose a college major without doing anything in advance of showing up for the first class to prepare themselves
02:00:12 <lament> Asswiping 101
02:00:13 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: I dunno, I think they teach it in some of the elementary school special ed classes
02:00:26 * RodgerTheGreat is totally serious
02:01:24 <bsmntbombdood> i got taught to wipe my ass
02:01:44 <bsmntbombdood> by my parents, of course, not by a school
02:01:49 <RodgerTheGreat> same
02:02:25 <RodgerTheGreat> if parents are incapable of teaching their children to dress themselves, eat, and defecate properly, I don't think they deserve the title "parent"
02:02:29 <lament> so yeah, to summarize, the math program assumes as much math knowledge as the CS program assumes CS knowledge -- everything you learned in high school.
02:02:58 <lament> You'd think the people going to math are pretty smart. Yet the program doesn't even assume they know calculus. Because not everybody learns calculus in high schools.
02:03:14 <bsmntbombdood> lament: dependence on a broken system isn't smart
02:03:25 <RodgerTheGreat> which says more about high-schools than universities, really
02:03:34 <lament> bsmntbombdood: you don't quite understand.
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02:03:50 <lament> bsmntbombdood: there's this thing called *the real world*, which is where both universities and high schools have to operate.
02:03:52 <RodgerTheGreat> but you need to remember- there are two reasons you go to college: to learn, or to prove what you know
02:04:21 <lament> bsmntbombdood: In this "real world", the universities can't do anything about the high schools and have to do their best given the situation.
02:04:23 <RodgerTheGreat> In my case, some of both. In some cases, more of the former
02:04:34 <lament> bsmntbombdood: which is what they do.
02:05:07 <lament> You can't raise the bar above HS requirements because then almost nobody would attend.
02:05:20 <bsmntbombdood> universities are for the advancement of academia, not for making money
02:05:47 <lament> in this case, universities are for teaching, and teaching is what they do.
02:05:55 <pikhq> The high schools need to be revamped signifigantly. .
02:05:56 <bsmntbombdood> forcing people to know stuff they didn't get taught in high school would keep the idiots out
02:06:19 <ihope> Universities aren't out to make money?
02:06:21 <lament> bsmntbombdood: so where should they learn this stuff? By themselves?
02:06:28 <bsmntbombdood> lament: yes...
02:06:35 <lament> bsmntbombdood: so, if you can learn it all by yourself
02:06:39 <lament> why go to university at all?
02:06:45 <pikhq> ihope: In *name*, they're largely public institutions.
02:07:07 <RodgerTheGreat> there's a fine balance to strike between punishing people for being lazy cockoffs in high-school and unfairly hurting the people that honestly did try yet went to crappy schools
02:07:45 <bsmntbombdood> lament: to interact with smart people
02:08:23 <lament> bsmntbombdood: that's not the stated goal of universities (in the context of getting an undergrad degree). Perhaps a society like MENSA would serve you better.
02:08:37 <RodgerTheGreat> hahaha... mensa
02:08:57 <bsmntbombdood> lol
02:09:15 <RodgerTheGreat> lament: wait... were you serious about the mensa thing?
02:09:21 <bsmntbombdood> and for accreditation
02:09:58 <bsmntbombdood> but accreditation really fucks shit up :(
02:10:28 <ihope> Hmm, Mensa. I think my mom says it's mostly about "Look at me, I'm smart enough to be in Mensa!"
02:10:32 <pikhq> MENSA is remarkable, in that it seems to be more a society of people smart enough to join, but not smart enough to willingly *not* join.
02:10:45 <lament> RodgerTheGreat: he wants to interact with smart people, no?
02:11:39 <RodgerTheGreat> well, he said smart people, but smart people isn't necessarily the same thing as pretentious assholes with high-IQs that are willing to pay membership dues to say so.
02:12:13 <lament> well, that's his problem :)
02:12:29 <RodgerTheGreat> heh
02:12:51 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: Like I said: smart enough to join, not smart enough to *not* join. ;)
02:13:01 <RodgerTheGreat> in all honesty, I think quite a few of us here could get into MENSA if we wanted and yet... none of us are currently... how unusual...
02:13:20 <pikhq> Indeed, I could.
02:13:26 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: yeah, I was just making the point in a different way
02:13:33 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: what's their cutoff?
02:13:36 <pikhq> "Here's an IQ test I took. . . 8 years ago." ;)
02:13:37 <pikhq> 130.
02:13:48 <lament> RodgerTheGreat: 1 in 50 makes it in, iirc.
02:13:56 <gurami> Tell me how to make a really great cappuccino please?
02:14:08 <lament> gurami: the key ingredient is great espresso
02:14:15 <pikhq> Assuming an IQ test with some other standard deviation, it is officially 2 standard deriviations.
02:14:17 <RodgerTheGreat> lament: ah... dude, that would mean mensa "geniuses" are within one standard deviantion. WTF?
02:14:19 <lament> gurami: do you have a big, expensive espresso machine?
02:14:24 <RodgerTheGreat> how is that "genius level"?
02:14:25 <gurami> I do
02:14:27 <bsmntbombdood> gurami: 1 part really great esspresso, 1 part milk, 1 part microfoam?
02:14:52 <lament> gurami: the other key thing is knowing how to foam milk
02:14:58 <lament> hold on
02:15:09 <gurami> That is difficult - I always end up with too little foam
02:15:21 <lament> gurami: http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/frothingguide
02:15:26 <gurami> excellent
02:15:39 <gurami> reading something called the frothingguide will make this day complete
02:15:47 <lament> and in general, look at http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides
02:16:01 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: Presumably because 2 SDs is 0.5% of the population?
02:16:39 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: oh, wait- crap- I did that wrong in my head
02:16:53 <RodgerTheGreat> 68, 95, 99
02:16:56 <pikhq> Still not all *that* impressive.
02:17:25 <RodgerTheGreat> nothing against you, gurami, but is there any particular reason you decided this would be a good channel to ask about cappuccino?
02:17:41 <ihope> Is nobody here capable of spelling "deviation"? :-P
02:17:44 * pikhq is at about the point where IQ tests are incapable of accurately discerning meaningful values.
02:17:51 <ihope> Me too.
02:18:09 <gurami> Meh, I figure a room full of esoteric programmers would be pretty knowledgeable about caffeine delivery methods :)
02:18:11 <pikhq> ihope: How the hell did I enter an "r" in my second usage of "deviation"?
02:18:27 <pikhq> gurami: Coffee, and lots of it. ;p
02:18:37 <pikhq> Mountain Dew is also damned good.
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02:18:44 <gurami> if you like pee
02:19:13 <pikhq> -_-'
02:19:24 <bsmntbombdood> i wish i knew espresso :(
02:19:25 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: whoops, I cannot believe I made that typo. :S
02:19:39 <RodgerTheGreat> I am normally capable of spelling "deviation"
02:20:13 <ihope_> "Your IQ is at least this high", they said...
02:20:17 <gurami> :) I mean, i can understand an addiction to mountain dew. i just cant sympathize
02:20:46 <RodgerTheGreat> heh
02:20:48 <bsmntbombdood> coffee is much preferable to pop
02:20:52 <bsmntbombdood> none of that sugar
02:21:11 <pikhq> Sometimes, I need something sugary.
02:21:32 <gurami> I totally call all cola "Coke". Pop must be preceded by Snap and Crackle.
02:21:51 <pikhq> I call all operating systems "Windows". :p
02:22:10 <ihope_> Debian GNU/Windows.
02:22:14 <bsmntbombdood> gurami: mountain dew isn't cola
02:22:20 <ihope_> Wait, is that Cygwin?
02:23:07 <gurami> Ok i call all soft drinks coke.
02:23:12 <gurami> i think its a southern thing.
02:23:53 <gurami> [http://popvssoda.com]
02:24:12 <ihope_> I'm a popist.
02:24:31 <ihope_> Except when I think the word "pop" sound silly, in which case... um...
02:24:53 <ihope_> (I seem to be becoming increasingly unable to put the "s" on the end of stuff.)
02:25:07 <pikhq> I do both "soda" and "pop". . .
02:25:43 <ihope_> (Why the singular/plural distinction, anyway? I don't like it.)
02:25:57 <ihope_> (Person can understand thing just fine without it, can't it?)
02:26:26 <bsmntbombdood> espresso machines/grinders are expensive
02:26:29 <ihope_> I generally use "soda" only for "fruit"-flavored drinks.
02:26:43 <gurami> here's a question, is someone who believes in the Pope's mission a "Popist"?
02:27:01 <ihope_> Sure, why not?
02:27:16 <ihope_> Maybe I believe in both Pope and pop.
02:28:24 <gurami> sorry i took the level of this conversation down a bunch
02:28:33 <gurami> im kinda bored and delirious
02:28:41 <RodgerTheGreat> pope pop! the new flavor sensation sweeping vatican city! "Holy christ on a stick it's good", says an anonymous dude.
02:29:49 <gurami> The new brown pope pop: Poopy Pope Pop!
02:29:52 <gurami> (sorry)
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02:32:31 <pikhq> Easter-Flavored Pope Pop!
02:32:58 <pikhq> "Where is it? It can't have left the grave!"
02:32:58 <pikhq> :p
02:33:16 <RodgerTheGreat> "It makes you feel like crawling out of hell and doing something with palm fronds!"
02:34:33 <pikhq> That'd be Good Friday Pope Pop, and that has cyanide. :p
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05:05:13 <bsmntbombdood> GregorR: i made a fucking awesome hat
05:06:02 <bsmntbombdood> it's a tetrahedron
05:09:45 <RodgerTheGreat> man, heavy shit in #Nonlogic
05:10:02 <Sgeo> RodgerTheGreat, lies!
05:10:57 <RodgerTheGreat> sometimes I wish we were a bit more like #Esoteric in the sense that we didn't have a big centralized set of servers providing all our stuff- #Esoteric's resources are distributed around to different people
05:11:15 <RodgerTheGreat> we have a lot of friction going on because we have a community half and a company half.
05:11:22 <Sgeo> RodgerTheGreat, where ios this?
05:11:53 <RodgerTheGreat> just another channel, another IRC community
05:13:05 <RodgerTheGreat> a little pearl of wisdom here: shit gets complicated when you let it.
05:14:26 <RodgerTheGreat> so, what's up with you?
05:17:31 <bsmntbombdood> #esoteric doesn't provide shell servers...
05:17:40 <RodgerTheGreat> that's true
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09:40:05 <oklopol> "(RodgerTheGreat) in all honesty, I think quite a few of us here could get into MENSA if we wanted and yet... none of us are currently... how unusual..." how do you know? i almost went to the tests :P
09:46:07 <oklopol> i can't stand IQ tests, it's just about fast pattern matching
09:46:25 <oklopol> well, actually i can't stand them because of that for the simple reason that's what i'm particularly bad at ;)
09:47:25 <oklopol> uh, schools ->
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14:20:57 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: well, I'm kinda on the other end of the spectrum there
14:22:08 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm really, really good at the types of things on IQ tests (spatial thinking, pattern recognition, etc), and standardized tests in general, to the point that I have difficulty believing my results are anything but statistical anomalies
14:26:25 <RodgerTheGreat> the main problem is that IQ tests tend to place a tremendous amount of weight on some fairly specialized types of skills
14:27:29 <oklopol> i guess i get good scores too, but i feel stupid doing them, since i just get the trivial ones in the short time you have...
14:28:03 <oklopol> i guess everyone just gets the trivial stuff....
14:28:53 <RodgerTheGreat> well, I'm familiar with testing and scoring procedure (another reason my scores should be taken with a grain of salt) and most modern tests weight the question
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15:04:11 <bsmntbombdood> we should write an esoteric compression algorithm
15:05:14 <bsmntbombdood> output brainfuck that, when executed, outputs the input?
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18:38:07 <bsmntbom1dood> my hat+goggles are TEH SHIT
18:38:25 <oklopol> pix
18:38:41 <bsmntbom1dood> don't have any ;(
18:38:47 <oklopol> take!
18:38:47 <bsmntbom1dood> i might take one when i get home
18:39:03 <oerjan> hat+goggles? bsmntbom1dood is designing mad scientist wear?
18:39:14 -!- bsmntbom1dood has changed nick to bsmntbombdood.
18:39:34 <oklopol> hmm, bf_txtgen may need some optimizing to actually compress...
18:39:41 <bsmntbombdood> of course
18:40:05 <oklopol> !bf_txtgen aaaaaaaaaaaa
18:40:35 <bsmntbombdood> oerjan: they're not mad scientist like
18:40:55 <bsmntbombdood> the hat is a tetrahedron made out of duck tape and cardboard
18:41:00 <oerjan> given that each character in a brainfuck program takes only 8 possible values, some sequences of which are redundant or impossible...
18:41:00 <bsmntbombdood> and the goggles too
18:41:15 <oerjan> tetrahedron sounds pretty mad to me :D
18:42:05 <oerjan> but proper madness of course requires something better than cardboard. tinfoil perhaps?
18:42:07 <bsmntbombdood> the goggles are sort of square-piramids with the tips and bases cut off
18:42:20 <bsmntbombdood> i thought about covering with tinfoil
18:42:35 <oklopol> oerjan: true, i'm not saying it doesn't compress anything
18:43:30 <oerjan> oklopol: basically you are immediately at at least a 3/8 handicap
18:44:00 <oerjan> however given that i've heard english text only has 1 bit per character information, there is still some wiggling room
18:44:08 <bsmntbombdood> well, you would only use 3 bits/instruction of course
18:45:32 <oklopol> 1 bit per character? darn, my conciseness-based conlang only does 75% compression compared to english :|
18:45:57 <oerjan> that figure may have been anecdotal though
18:46:16 <oklopol> indeed, sounds a bit of a coinsidence
18:46:52 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: In my crypto classes, I heard figures of at least 1.6
18:47:07 <RodgerTheGreat> (we covered a little compression)
18:47:15 <bsmntbombdood> i'm sure it varies greatly
18:47:19 <oklopol> 1.6 meaning?
18:47:29 <RodgerTheGreat> bits per character
18:47:30 <bsmntbombdood> bits of entropy per char
18:47:35 <RodgerTheGreat> yes
18:47:38 <RodgerTheGreat> what bsmntbombdood said
18:48:20 <oklopol> eh... that was kinda obvious, sorry :D
18:48:27 <RodgerTheGreat> have a look at the middle image here- http://folklore.org/projects/Macintosh/images/polaroids/polaroids.2.jpg
18:49:08 <RodgerTheGreat> what you see there is the original prototype interface for the Apple Lisa, the final version of which became the macintosh GUI.
18:49:39 <RodgerTheGreat> I like it
18:50:44 <RodgerTheGreat> imagine what computers would be like today if softkey-driven keyboard based UIs had become dominant back in the day.
18:53:13 <bsmntbombdood> the window manager i use is completely key driven
18:53:42 <RodgerTheGreat> that's not really the same thing, unless your "window manager" is mc
18:54:29 <bsmntbombdood> what's that?
18:54:38 <RodgerTheGreat> midnight commander?
18:54:48 <RodgerTheGreat> it's kinda like dosshell
18:55:03 <bsmntbombdood> i thought that was a file manager
18:56:11 <Sgeo> Linux Mint 3.1 is out!
18:56:24 <RodgerTheGreat> dosshell is a little more than a file manager
18:59:40 <oklopol> in case anyone happens to know how to get my own ip on ubuntu in python, i'd appreciate it
18:59:56 <oklopol> google only gives me getaddrinfo crap that only works on win
19:00:12 <Sgeo> Ask in #python ?
19:00:18 <oklopol> great idea! :)
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19:38:45 <bsmntbombdood> ok oklopol i've got a pic
19:43:20 <bsmntbombdood> http://abacus.kwzs.be/~bsmntbombdood/hat_goggles.jpg
19:43:24 <bsmntbombdood> dunno why it's so grainy
19:44:32 <oklopol> i gotta get me one of those
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19:47:13 * Sgeo can't wait to play with the new version of LM
19:47:36 * Sgeo is downloading it now
19:47:39 <oerjan> wait a minute, an actual, clear, part-of-face showing picture of bsmntbombdood? impossible :D
19:49:27 <SimonRC> have you seen the latest, greatest conspiracy theory?
19:49:44 <oerjan> hm?
19:49:57 <SimonRC> http://digg.com/videos/music/How_our_financial_system_really_works
19:50:47 <SimonRC> alas, the only way yet found to get a load of monkies to work hard is debt like that.
19:51:23 <bsmntbombdood> oerjan: only part of face, so it's good
19:51:55 * SimonRC presses the ENHANCE button
19:52:17 <bsmntbombdood> but the hat and goggles are way cool, right?
19:52:24 <bsmntbombdood> i wore them to school today
19:54:06 <ehird`> oerjan: WAIT WHAT
19:54:10 <ehird`> that's against the laws of nature
19:54:14 <ehird`> call the nature police
19:56:21 * Sgeo keeps downloading LM
19:56:22 <Sgeo> LM3.1
19:56:58 <SimonRC> what is that?
20:00:16 * oklopol is dissappointed no one misinterpreted him to refer to bsmntbombdood with his remark
20:00:29 <bsmntbombdood> ?
20:00:57 <oklopol> "(oklopol) i gotta get me one of those"
20:02:00 <bsmntbombdood> i know, i'm in high demand
20:04:38 <oklopol> really wore that to school?
20:04:49 <bsmntbombdood> yeah
20:05:00 <oklopol> i used to be a cook too... nowadays i don't bother going to school anymore :<
20:05:14 <oklopol> "cook"
20:05:16 <oklopol> loonie
20:05:20 * oerjan thinks the top of bsmntbombdood's head must be _really_ ugly.
20:05:20 <bsmntbombdood> kook
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20:06:01 <bsmntbombdood> you've seen the top of my head before
20:06:03 <bsmntbombdood> i think
20:06:16 * SimonRC points out a picture he drew (explanation to follow at some point in the future): http://users.durge.org/~sc/Kigdatsi/pics/Kig_20070922.png
20:06:17 <bsmntbombdood> yeah http://abacus.kwzs.be/~bsmntbombdood/pic_3.jpg
20:06:19 * SimonRC goes to watch TV.
20:06:20 <oerjan> or maybe it's just that americans have really weird fashion sense
20:07:18 <bsmntbombdood> i don't get it
20:07:20 <oerjan> aha, i didn't know you were in the picture
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20:08:12 <bsmntbombdood> SimonRC: dragon sex?
20:08:20 <oerjan> hm, maybe it's that "666" on his forehead he doesn't want to show, it's covered in both...
20:09:02 <bsmntbombdood> it's not intentionally covered in #3
20:09:27 <bsmntbombdood> i don't think we've ever seen pics of you oerjan ...
20:10:42 <oerjan> busted!
20:11:05 <oklopol> i'm actually a lizard
20:12:01 <bsmntbombdood> kinky
20:12:20 <oerjan> i used to have a pass photo on my homepage but a friend said i looked like a Hitlerjugend so i took it away... i don't actually have any kind of digital camera
20:12:31 <oerjan> or scanner.
20:12:44 <bsmntbombdood> excuses, excuses
20:14:00 <bsmntbombdood> O.o xkcd jokes reuse!
20:14:07 <oerjan> still in the directory though - http://oerjan.nvg.org/face.gif~ but it's at least 10 years old
20:14:44 <bsmntbombdood> that's hitlerjugend like?
20:14:58 <ehird`> i can see the resemblence! .. no i can't
20:15:10 <oklopol> oerjan: that can't be you!
20:15:19 <ehird`> also, oerjan, i'm going to ignore that photo because my mental-image-o-tron does not percieve you as looking like that
20:15:21 <ehird`> have fun
20:15:24 <oerjan> it was a friend with a weird sense of humor :)
20:15:33 <oerjan> heh :D
20:15:45 <oklopol> because of the reason ehird` said
20:15:51 <Sgeo> oerjan of FRC!
20:16:14 <oklopol> norwegians never pose for a pic without a massive cod in their hand!
20:16:19 <oerjan> Sgeo: what, you recognize the picture? O_O
20:16:23 <Sgeo> hm?
20:16:38 <Sgeo> No, it's just that you are of the Fantasy Rules Comittee
20:16:46 <Sgeo> right?
20:16:55 <oerjan> used to be, yes.
20:17:34 * Sgeo used to love reading the archives
20:17:50 * Sgeo still does actually
20:17:54 <bsmntbombdood> germany is O.o
20:18:02 <oerjan> i just thought if you were on FRC, you might actually have seen that picture when it was on my homepage :D
20:18:03 <bsmntbombdood> you can't say "sieg heil"?!?
20:19:00 <oerjan> oklopol: i _hate_ fishing despite that both my grandfathers were fishermen and my father loves it
20:19:07 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: you can't do shit in germany because of the whole nazi thing
20:19:23 <bsmntbombdood> yeah
20:19:24 <oerjan> more or less the same with skis, btw
20:19:31 <bsmntbombdood> fighting opression with opression!
20:19:49 <ehird`> oppression i think you mean
20:20:00 <bsmntbombdood> yes
20:20:56 <oklopol> oerjan: i'll just ignore that and continue to think of you as a long-haired fishing-loving satan-worshipper!
20:21:36 * oklopol listens to a lot of death metal
20:21:46 <oklopol> or what's it called
20:21:48 <ehird`> heh
20:21:59 <oklopol> i'm very bad with genres :)
20:22:04 <bsmntbombdood> norwegian death metal?
20:22:08 <oerjan> just to completely ruin everything, i must mention that i love ABBA :D
20:22:11 <oklopol> black i guess
20:22:20 <oklopol> :D
20:22:32 <bsmntbombdood> btw, death metal sucks
20:22:45 <oklopol> i'm not sure what death metal is.
20:22:47 <oklopol> but i love mayhem
20:22:55 <bsmntbombdood> so does black metal
20:22:57 <oklopol> and dimmu :P
20:23:03 <oklopol> what's wrong with it?
20:23:24 <bsmntbombdood> lol, dimmu
20:23:33 <bsmntbombdood> "death cult armageddon"
20:24:55 <oklopol> no one takes the lyrics seriously :P
20:25:14 <oklopol> it's just nice music
20:25:32 <bsmntbombdood> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Gorgorothvid.jpg
20:25:40 <bsmntbombdood> omg they r k00l!!!!!!!!
20:26:32 <ehird`> Haikus are fun/but this is not/a haiku
20:27:23 <oklopol> verry cool :D
20:29:36 <oklopol> i agree that is one ridiculous outfit, but i don't understand people who wear anything but black t-shirts anyway
20:29:45 <ehird`> Haikus are fun/but this is not/a haiku/haikus have no more than 3 lines
20:30:35 <bsmntbombdood> lol there's a death metal band called necrophagia
20:30:45 <bsmntbombdood> that's fuuuny
20:31:06 <oklopol> :DD
20:31:12 <oklopol> gorgasm is one of my favorite
20:31:14 <oklopol> *s
20:31:33 <oklopol> cannibal corpse is a classic of course, but that's usually pretty dull melodically
20:34:26 <bsmntbombdood> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Yngve_Ohlin
20:34:32 <bsmntbombdood> ^^ that guy is also funny
20:37:26 <oklopol> was your reason for death metal sucking the fact the people who make it are idiots? :P
20:37:39 <oklopol> or do you have something against the actual music?
20:37:47 <bsmntbombdood> i just don't like the music
20:38:17 <oklopol> you must not have heard gorgasm, it's absolute beauty
20:38:27 <bsmntbombdood> doom metal is much better
20:38:38 <oklopol> hmm... can you give me an example band :P
20:38:44 <oklopol> i have no idea what that is
20:38:49 <bsmntbombdood> candlemass, black sabbath
20:40:44 <oklopol> oh
20:41:15 <oklopol> i haven't heard much black sabbath
20:44:15 <oklopol> hehe, this is some groovy rock 'n' roll ;)
20:44:48 <bsmntbombdood> yeah, black sabbath is good
20:45:19 <oklopol> do not turn my sarcasm around!
20:45:40 <bsmntbombdood> huh?
20:46:15 <oklopol> you like rock 'n' roll?
20:46:27 <bsmntbombdood> yes
20:46:32 <oklopol> ah
20:46:36 <oklopol> i didn't think anyone would
20:47:46 * oerjan beats oklopol with a stick
20:48:30 <oklopol> :D
20:49:00 <oklopol> abba is better than sabbath
20:49:10 <oklopol> well, according to this one random song i heard.
20:49:10 <bsmntbombdood> lololol
20:49:22 <bsmntbombdood> abba is terrrrrible
20:49:38 * Sgeo wants to play some Fantasy Chess
20:50:13 <oklopol> the solo part is okay
20:50:50 <oklopol> abba, like most pop, occasionally has nice melodies, but uses too little of them per song
20:54:12 <bsmntbombdood> oklopol: you probably listened to bad sabbath
20:55:26 <oklopol> i may have, these ancient bands i've doomed to be bad for no apparent reason sometimes turn out to be pretty decent.
20:56:25 <bsmntbombdood> ancient bands are the only good ones
20:58:22 <oerjan> everything went downhill after Akhenaton's Sun Hymn, really
20:59:02 <bsmntbombdood> damn straight
20:59:20 <oklopol> music gets better all the time
21:00:21 <oklopol> even pop nowadays sometimes sounds like music from time to time
21:00:31 <oklopol> + occasionally
21:02:30 <bsmntbombdood> whooooaaa i'm seeing flying starts
21:02:33 <bsmntbombdood> *stars
21:02:40 <bsmntbombdood> crazy
21:06:38 <oerjan> it's probably just a side effect of having a tetrahedron on your head. watch out for weird time distortions.
21:06:54 <Sgeo> heh
21:16:49 <oklopol> when i woke up 3 hours ago, i actually felt like i could do something for a change
21:17:00 <oklopol> i now realize i did not
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22:28:20 <lament> taste in music is subjective, surprise!
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