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< 1189555474 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, folks
< 1189555566 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello.
< 1189555585 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ihope
< 1189555896 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.jpg
< 1189555918 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick fucker
< 1189556027 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*
< 1189556082 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is funnier on bash
< 1189556159 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, usually is
< 1189556549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returneth
< 1189556566 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb, pikhq
< 1189557154 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1189559388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1189560327 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hfs"
< 1189560347 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFS?
< 1189560349 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hfs?
< 1189560454 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HFs"?
< 1189560465 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/sed/TEST/math.sed
< 1189560496 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me want to learn more sed
< 1189560545 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where th sokoban in sed got to
< 1189560591 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a nearly-full dc written in sed
< 1189560593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also 4-tower hanoi in that directory
< 1189560597 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1189560599 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
< 1189560729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed in dc would be cooler
< 1189560736 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it can be done
< 1189560756 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1189560764 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc lacks a "drop2 command
< 1189560768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that...
< 1189560773 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"drop"
< 1189560777 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has one
< 1189560811 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1189560812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n".
< 1189560824 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zd<r
< 1189560836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes an item from the stack and outputs it without a newline.
< 1189560844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why no newline is beyond me)
< 1189560861 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can have no newline?
< 1189560870 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1189560879 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to add a newline, hard to take away one
< 1189560960 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! Maybe I'll slightly revamp my parser language and call it "Cetacea".
< 1189561181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, i think sed could actually be implemented in dc
< 1189561195 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by storing strings as lists of numbers instead of the builtin strings
< 1189561262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* sed could be implemented in dc.
< 1189561272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, GNU dc is Turing complete. . .
< 1189561309 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all dc are turing complete
< 1189561377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily.
< 1189561387 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc even has 128 tapes and an extra stack, so it's 128.5 times more powerful than a turing machine!!
< 1189561397 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how not necessarily?
< 1189561409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple dc is merely a push-down automaton.
< 1189561436 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1189561546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc as defined in dc(1) all the way back in 1965
< 1189561552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1189561602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you find said man page?
< 1189561629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/vol2/dc
< 1189561825 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzz
< 1189562573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly SimonRC is BORED by dc.
< 1189562575 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a jerk.
< 1189562631 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bored by dc??!??!
< 1189562638 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is like my favorite language ever
< 1189564672 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always got confused about why there's both dc and bc
< 1189564676 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result, learned neither.
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< 1189567057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Traditionally, dc was an RPN calculator, and bc was an infix frontend for the same.
< 1189567060 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament dc belongs in #esoteric, bc not
< 1189567075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GNU, they're just different programs in coreutils.
< 1189567084 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc compiles to dc
< 1189567097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: GNU's implementation doesn't.
< 1189567119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc also has silly things like functions, variables, and structured loops
< 1189567147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is not implemented in the traditional way using 'dc'." -- bc.info
< 1189567154 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1189567168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . It has a bytecode compiler?!?
< 1189567181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit overdone for a comparatively simple program.
< 1189567219 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openbsd's bc is written in yacc
< 1189567231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole compiler can't be done in Yacc.
< 1189567273 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends where you think yacc ends
< 1189567275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it may *use* Yacc to parse, as I imagine GNU bc does. . .
< 1189567283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moment you start using stuff in Flex. ;)
< 1189567307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openbsd bc uses lex too
< 1189567352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lex is pretty insignificant compared to yacc
< 1189567396 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yacc can't be used without writing the actions in C, so nothing can be strictly completely written in yacc
< 1189567449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since Yacc is a *parser generator*, even if you could, it'd not actually get any compilation done.
< 1189567472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1189567525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yacc only generates a parser. . .
< 1189567552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not all that's in a compiler.
< 1189567570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You neglect this funny thing called "code generation".
< 1189567570 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parser doesn't need to be sepperate from the code generator
< 1189567577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is with yacc. . .
< 1189567581 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no...
< 1189567582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last I checked)
< 1189567630 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yacc doesn't make a parse tree for you
< 1189568362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to learn Yacc
< 1189568384 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the advantage to yacc at all in comparison with writing the parser by hand- parsing isn't one of the difficult aspects of writing a compiler at all
< 1189568429 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could *become* useful with arbitrarily complex grammars, but you'd have something hideous by the time you hit the break even point, I think.
< 1189568481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* C *cough*
< 1189568491 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point
< 1189568528 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsers are hard
< 1189568554 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *about* parsers are hard?
< 1189568628 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parsing
< 1189568749 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokenization is straightforward, relying primarily on defining patterns that determine certain types of tokens and scanning forward, with some minor exceptions for nesting. Building parse trees is basically just error-checking and order of operations.
< 1189569019 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of aspects of compiler design and implementation that are really difficult (especially when the language doesn't help), but I really can't find anything in parsing that can hold a candle to the other stuff.
< 1189569181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realise that I wrote a compiler without knowing how to do a parser. ;)
< 1189569273 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's my point exactly- it's more or less trivial
< 1189569316 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an average hacker can reinvent something without undue difficulty, it's trivial.
< 1189569350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: No, I mean "I didn't even do a parser".
< 1189569364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "parser" in PEBBLE is Tcl's source command.
< 1189569370 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1189569382 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1189569394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One must admit, it works pretty well.
< 1189569465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  int c = getchar ();
< 1189569480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of *immense* curiosity, how could that involve an invalid lvalue?
< 1189569526 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1189569921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because your compiler is expressing its displeasure at your use of spaces
< 1189569956 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an unusual way to apply whitespace to a function call
< 1189569988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; that's the GNU indentation standard; kinda start thinking in it when I start flipping through GNU manuals.
< 1189570010 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu couldn't possible request spacing like that
< 1189570037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_coding_standards
< 1189570039 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have to side with bsmntbombdood with this one
< 1189570077 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ, that's like a laundry list of all the coding style points I have distaste for
< 1189570102 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-space-bracket-two-space thing is annoying
< 1189570116 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces-as-tabs, spaces before function parameter blocks, /* oneliner comments like this */
< 1189570151 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah- wtf?
< 1189570154 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with the comments?
< 1189570166 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, I'll retract that one
< 1189570190 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : // comments should always be used for oneliners, but if I recall, ANSI C lacks those.
< 1189570209 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you recall correctly
< 1189570220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Modern* ANSI C has it; GNU tries to maintain some level of backwards compatibility with older standards and K&R C.
< 1189570235 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 has the C++ style i think
< 1189570245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C89
< 1189570248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1189570277 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that indentation style causes me great pain.
< 1189570483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/693143  <--- my way
< 1189570602 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrgh, s/while (/while(/ and s/strcmp (/strcmp(/
< 1189570617 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1189570705 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different prog, but I think this code represents my coding style pretty well: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1189566634.html
< 1189570771 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not C!111123
< 1189570812 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch, bitch, moan, moan
< 1189570935 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all curly-bracket languages are equal when it comes to coding style.
< 1189572863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done his first program via Yacc & Flex. . .
< 1189574175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} {} {} {} {} {} {}
< 1189574184 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} {} {} {} {}    {}
< 1189574192 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}    {} {} {} {} {}
< 1189574202 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-- a sample program in a curly-bracket language
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< 1189574433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO
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< 1189582233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pink floyd the wall
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< 1189600373 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: w t f
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< 1189600910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1189602084 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has lunch.
< 1189602612 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
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< 1189605021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_instruction_minimalization <<< @ notes, doesn't "; [<,>]@[<.>@]" loop endlessly @ input?
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< 1189608061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat clothespins
< 1189608521 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe eat clothespins nooga
< 1189608529 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... huh?
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< 1189610384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nooga is a delicacy in south mongolia
< 1189610407 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather like calamari.
< 1189610575 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My orders say I'm not supposed to know where I'm taking this boat, so I don't. But one look at you, and I know it's gonna be hot.
< 1189610581 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge.
< 1189610586 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Cambodia captain.
< 1189610592 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's classified.
< 1189611973 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the formatting language of my mpd client will be turing complete
< 1189611984 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need loops to be turing complete, right?
< 1189612459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run it on something superturing, it can be loopless
< 1189612502 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter is in python.
< 1189612510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'd say no
< 1189612517 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1189612524 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stack based language to format playlists, overkill? No
< 1189613279 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think to be Turing complete, you have to be able to translate any Turing program into that language.
< 1189613351 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure just how the resulting program has to act...
< 1189613409 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the original program halts, you must be able to find that out by running the resulting program, and if the original program halts, you must *not* be able to find that it halts by running the resulting program.
< 1189613455 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a description of this language.
< 1189614554 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: loops are just something some imperative languages have.
< 1189614597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed he meant the concept of looping
< 1189614611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not an actual "while" etc.
< 1189614796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure in what sence does lambda calculus have "the concept of looping"
< 1189614799 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sense
< 1189614843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through an abstraction the programmer has created...
< 1189614858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that might be a bad term for it.
< 1189614970 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose in any language with side effects, you could define an "infinite loop" as something that performs some sequence of actions over and over again infinitely.
< 1189614983 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sense, you can have infinite loops in unlambda and haskell.
< 1189615048 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your language can't do that, it's definitely not turing-complete.
< 1189615117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... so if you made unlambda return v instead everytime you're in an infinite loop, it wouldn't be turing complete?
< 1189615132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, theoretically speaking, since that's impossible to know
< 1189615725 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically speaking, it's impossible
< 1189615819 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, the detection system would be superturing
< 1189615839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...orly
< 1189615859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, BECAUSE the detection system would be superturing?
< 1189615863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you meant?
< 1189615871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1189615886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1189615922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that language would naturally be superturing
< 1189615932 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was responding to "16:38:01 < oklopol> hmm... so if you" .... "it wouldn't be turing complete?"
< 1189616002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because lament said, i think, that a language can't be turing complete if it can't loop infinitely
< 1189616039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it can only either be less than tc, or superturing, if it does that
< 1189616047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he was right
< 1189616762 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION builds a halting oracle
< 1189617020 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1189617085 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: mpd client.... commandline? qt?
< 1189617554 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baldsfkajsdlkfj!!KE@EN:
< 1189617563 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my geography class sucks
< 1189617587 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a major global problem facing our planet as we move into the 21st ccentury
< 1189617617 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humanity, we must kill off all humanity
< 1189617635 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1189617641 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1189617647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100 is.
< 1189617918 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many people
< 1189617932 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: less anthopology, more apthropophagy!
< 1189617944 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1189617960 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* anthropology
< 1189617975 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a reputable source that says that if i'm going to do it
< 1189618082 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the population bomb, written in 1968, by Paul Erlich.  it states we should resort to cannibalism in like three or four years from now
< 1189621430 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there not enough food?
< 1189621453 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is overpopulation a problem?
< 1189621507 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: is that a question for your geography class?
< 1189622214 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats dinner.
< 1189622221 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: what do you mean, how is overpopulation a problem
< 1189622243 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a problem?
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< 1189634921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yeah
< 1189635046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! that cannot be! no way!
< 1189635056 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how is it a problem?
< 1189635072 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1189635624 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem because i have to answer it?
< 1189635662 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
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