00:03:06 bsmntbombdood: yes that is what i meant 00:04:10 SimonRC: well... ^ and v are equ to strings of >> and <<, but the length of those >>> stirngs changes with the graphics geometry 00:09:09 -!- ehird` has quit. 00:16:38 stoned, and just made out with a 24 year-old when I helped her to deal with traumatic experience 00:16:53 also drunk at the point of almost vomiting 00:17:00 and 18 year old meself 00:17:17 and she is my new-found "stepsister" 00:17:20 comments ? 00:17:33 and you are now coding so esolangs? 00:17:41 thats pretty fsked up 00:17:42 I'm interested in them 00:18:12 Really, I just came here by reddit 00:18:26 And have found it fun to observe 00:18:35 sorry.. this is rediculous 00:18:51 I just had nowhere to go to youknow ? 00:19:21 reddit, is that like digg? 00:19:21 If i'd have shared this with someone I know it'd had spread like a bushfire 00:19:34 It's better than digg imo 00:19:45 i have heard lots aboutit lately 00:19:59 no apple fanboys and no total retards 00:20:02 same system as digg? 00:20:07 well that can change 00:20:14 just pseud-intellectuals and snobbish types 00:20:35 It's not so much linear than digg 00:21:00 Because the front page is deteriorating with time 00:21:19 you were linked HERE from reddit? 00:21:33 or a post is something like rank=points*something/age*something 00:21:36 yes 00:21:39 a few days ago 00:22:07 there was a link to the irp page on the wiki 00:22:08 I was going to "program" something "funny" in this IRP thing 00:22:17 but i was too shy 00:22:37 fuck! there's a fly scavengin for scraps 00:22:43 in my fsking forearm ! 00:22:58 Tickles + annoys as hell 00:23:13 but it just keeps coming back if i shoo it away 00:23:24 well, live and let live i guess 00:23:47 gahh... 00:23:54 what an annoying creature 00:24:12 allthough marvelous, the common housefly 00:24:31 put them in a freezer their systems stop completely 00:24:42 and thaw them and they begin to fly 00:24:55 impressive imo 00:25:47 drink enough deet to bring your blood percentage up to ~ 5% 00:26:01 Deet ? 00:26:04 what's that 00:26:27 N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide 00:26:28 Bug repellant? 00:26:39 for a moment i thought bsmntbombdood had stumbled trying to write "beer" 00:26:41 Ohh 00:26:49 oerjan me too 00:27:10 that would probably work too 00:27:11 I thought he was going to think i'm a smartass for pointing out a typo 00:27:28 Well deet is an american product 00:27:31 ? 00:27:59 THAT FLY IS MADDENING 00:28:20 But it just keeps coming back 00:28:49 what does it want from my skin ? 00:29:00 I'm that dirty ?! 00:29:47 Kill it? 00:29:58 I cant ! :D 00:30:05 as i stated, i am stoned and drunk 00:30:24 Do you have a gas mask? 00:30:29 his reflexes greatly outnumber my speed and accuracy 00:30:39 I dont' unfortunately 00:30:52 Perhaps you could pay someone to remove it 00:30:55 I've got a half-mask with a gas filter though 00:31:02 It's 2.30 AM 00:31:06 Or maybe wear more clothes? 00:31:17 i want an SCBA 00:31:17 ! 00:31:20 trick it out of the house? 00:31:22 Huh? 00:31:24 that IS a solution 00:31:30 wear more clothes 00:31:32 brilliant 00:31:38 -!- puzzlet has quit (Connection timed out). 00:31:40 Socks, pants, long-sleeve shirt, possibly gloves, possibly hat, possibly scarf... 00:32:02 But then i'm afraid it's only option would be my skin 00:32:05 *face 00:32:17 Scarves need not go around only the neck. 00:32:28 hood + balaclava + ski googles 00:32:29 duh 00:32:41 True 00:32:52 but to go through every closet now 00:32:54 ..nahg 00:33:08 you can make a suitable balaclava from a tshirt 00:33:21 "balaclava" ? 00:33:49 ohh 00:34:07 again wikipedia made my english vocabulary larger 00:34:16 * oerjan starts wondering if the fly has the upper hand on intelligence too 00:34:22 procure an NBC suit 00:34:33 Hey, english is not my native language 00:34:41 although technically it doesn't have hands 00:35:01 balaclava isn't exactly the word that comes around in the everyday irc conversation 00:35:29 so yeah, oerjan 00:35:33 what about balalaika? 00:35:42 tell me the word in some other language you know 00:35:52 balalaika is an instument 00:36:04 "Balalaikka" in Finnish 00:37:43 there happens to be an NBC suit in my closet 00:38:10 you're prepared. 00:38:30 but why do you have one ? 00:38:39 can't remember 00:38:51 you're just really careful or it's from work or smth 00:39:08 might have been a halloween costume 00:40:20 i wonder how much one would cost 00:40:42 something like $15-20 iirc 00:40:56 wow.. 00:41:07 I want one too then 00:41:07 it's like your own personal portable steam room 00:43:00 tong tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I 00:43:03 pfft 00:43:38 tongue* :P 00:43:58 quoting pink floyd is not allowed 00:44:17 why not ? 00:44:32 too good or too bad 00:44:34 ? 00:44:42 fsking question mark 00:44:48 fsking word fsking 00:44:51 because i just felt like saying that 00:45:20 Any recommendations on music ? 00:45:56 to a fellow floyd fan? The Gods and Czar 00:48:06 some UG band ? 00:48:23 well those are two bands 00:49:32 i just use Pandora 00:51:08 alcohol 00:51:13 what an useless drug 00:54:12 Indeed, many drugs are useless. 00:55:15 Oh, and how about Toccata and Fugue in D minor? I find smalin's YouTube version better than any of the versions on iTunes. 00:55:23 Which is, you know, weird. 00:55:33 many drugs are very usefull 00:55:55 -!- whitenoyce has joined. 00:56:09 -!- whitenoyce has left (?). 00:56:22 No, some drugs are fun 00:57:09 And yws, this toccata and fugue thing is great 00:59:48 ..incredibly so ! 00:59:59 now that i have watched half-way 01:05:34 Some would call it hallucinogenic :-P 01:22:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:22:39 Hello 01:23:01 Is it ok if I make the maximum expressible number in PSOX 1.26238305e+614? 01:23:12 (approx) 01:23:25 exactly 2^(8*255)? 01:32:49 -!- c|p has joined. 01:38:13 hi c|p 01:38:33 hi 01:40:14 -!- c|p has quit ("sssss"). 01:48:18 Sgeo: I haven't been following, but does PSOX have a string type? 01:48:30 NUL-terminated strings, yes 01:48:59 so people can probably implement their own math with strings, if they need true arbitrary-precision arithmetic 01:49:31 thus your (rather large) limit is OK :) 01:50:20 * Sgeo isn't sure how a Brainf*ck program would handle the numbers though.. 01:50:40 I don't even know what PSOX is :) 01:50:45 What's the traditional way for a BF program to handle large numbers? 01:51:01 http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/psox.txt 01:51:03 very painfully 01:52:14 Is there a particular format that's used most often? 01:52:41 * oerjan doesn't know he just couldn't resist 01:52:54 i assume it is related to arrays 01:53:40 other than that, i somehow cannot believe there is a standard for it 01:56:09 Would Brainf*ck be able to handle numbers set up similar to Pascal strings, i.e. put a header in front indicating the number of bytes? 01:57:36 i recall something about arrays being implemented with interior empty cells to ease traversing 02:00:51 I could do it like this: data byte, byte indicating whether or not it continues. 02:00:52 Etc. 02:01:14 -!- MotH- has left (?). 02:01:15 So 0x012C would be 0x01 0x01 0x2C 0x00 02:03:39 Or maybe 0x01 0x00 0x2C 0x01 02:07:58 You want a universal code. 02:07:58 * SimonRC goes to bed 02:08:44 A byte-based universal code that's good for arithmetic via incrementing, decrementing and checking for zero. 02:09:08 Wait, checking whether a cell is equal to 128 takes at least 127 steps, doesn't it? 02:09:32 Therefore, NEED COMPILER PLZTHX 02:22:41 Sgeo: The PSOX spec is very, very nice. . . 02:22:47 And actually implementable. :) 02:23:06 ty pikhq 02:23:23 Is my idea for longnums good? 02:23:31 (Discussion inchan justnow) 02:24:00 And it's still a work-in-progress 02:24:17 Personally, I like the idea of either sending enough cells to make up your longnum or a string representation. . . 02:25:16 0x00 0x01 0xmath 0x00 0xadd length-of-longnum bit1 bit2 bit3... 02:25:22 Err. Byte1-3. 02:26:34 The last byte will be stored directly, and then, going left, you'll do bignum += byte^256*(number-of-bytes-so-far) 02:27:55 erm, is that saying put the number of bytes in front? 02:28:00 basically? 02:28:06 * Sgeo doesn't see how that could work with BF 02:28:38 Which is, of course, the problem. :/ 02:29:06 -!- importantshock has joined. 02:29:09 How about putting indicator bytes between each byte of the number? 02:29:14 erm 02:29:24 Like, say, 0x00? 02:29:30 Plausible. 02:29:45 Could be broken, but you'd have to break it intentionally. . . 02:29:47 Should the first byte be indicator or data: 02:29:50 pikhq: did you switch ^ and * or is your representation _very_ weird? :D 02:29:56 "broken"? 02:30:09 oerjan: Actually, I think my brain's merely dead. 02:30:24 BRAAIINS 02:30:29 Sgeo: You could end up screwing up the Brainfuck output, such that indicator bits get skipped. 02:30:58 No huge danger, since, well, that's a problem with any programming language. 02:31:05 Why the hell I mentioned it is beyond me. 02:31:26 0x01(data) 0x01(indicator) 0x2C(data) 0x00(indicator) 02:33:29 indicator-data order might be confusing.. 02:34:15 But it would mean while loops instead of do-while loops.. 02:35:32 note that you will have to be able to deal with the number from either end, assuming your program contains more than a couple 02:36:23 * Sgeo would hope that the program would be able to record location information as it's receiving the number 02:36:47 The longnum format is not necessarily how the client will store the number 02:36:52 It's just transmission 02:38:46 0b1<7 bits of data> indicates there's more data, 0b0<7 bits of data> indicates this is the last one 02:39:11 That's not as convenient to manipulate 02:40:08 But that implies an indicator-data approach: 02:40:26 0x012C becomes 0x01(i) 0x01(d) 0x00(i) 0x2C(d) 02:41:56 Programmers will need to remember to retrieve the last byte, but that's their problem. 02:42:02 :( 02:43:40 Unless we make 0x00(i) mean EOF: 02:44:01 0x012C becomes 0x01(i) 0x01(d) 0x01(i) 0x2C(d) 0x00(i) 02:54:24 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 02:57:17 importantshock has made an important contribution to PSOX 02:57:33 Although I am realizing that maybe the Pascal thing might have worked.. 02:57:46 Sgeo: wait, is this sarcasm? 02:57:53 importantshock, not at all 02:58:11 importantshock, because of you, I decided that maybe Indicator-Data-Indicator would work well 02:58:42 Programmers will need to remember to retrieve the last byte, but that's their problem. 02:58:42 :( 02:58:42 Unless we make 0x00(i) mean EOF: 02:58:45 Sgeo: Thank you very much 02:58:51 importantshock, you're welcome 03:00:31 Sgeo: I've never heard of PSOX, anywhere I can look for some background? 03:00:49 http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/psox.txt 03:00:59 Have you heard of PESOIX? 03:01:42 It's still very much in a state of flux 03:01:59 Vaguely. Sort of a unified, OS-agnostic approach to operating system functions? 03:03:28 PESOIX lets esolangs like BF access OS functions 03:03:57 All rather silly, in my opinion. 03:04:06 Then again, I have no idea how it actually works. 03:04:27 PESOIX was never implemented. 03:04:50 Sgeo: sounds like a fine idea to me, though i am new to esolangs in general. all i've done was write an HQ9+ parser in haskell. 03:05:10 I went to attempt to start to implement it, but due to personal disagreements with semantic and practical issues, I decided to make a (backwards-incompatible) successor 03:05:35 Backwards-compatibility is the root of all evil. Good on you. 03:06:34 I suppose one could make a translator layer that turns PESOIX commands into PSOX commands.. 03:06:39 lol ty 03:08:56 * Sgeo kills the NUL-terminated numbers 03:08:59 *shudder* 03:11:47 main = do {program <- getContents; sequence (map (parse program) program)}; parse pgm 'H' = putStrLn "Hello, world!"; parse pgm 'Q' = putStr pgm; parse pgm '9' = putStrLn "insert 99bob here"; parse pgm '+' = return (); parse pgm _ = error "Syntax error" 03:14:35 -!- importantshock has quit ("Trying a new IRC client."). 03:17:07 -!- importantshock has joined. 03:19:35 Hi importantshock 03:19:44 What took the new client so long? 03:21:27 pikhq: http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=24797 <-- you should go there 03:22:48 Sgeo: he had to download and install Linux to use it. 03:22:57 lol 03:23:02 And he chose the biggest distribution he could find, and he has dial-up. 03:23:25 And he doesn't have access to a CD burner; only a single floppy disk and a friend's house. 03:23:30 Said friend lives in Europe. 03:23:47 And he can't afford any type of transportation, so he had to go there on foot. 03:24:40 And that friend has two computers: one with a floppy drive, one with a CD burner. 03:25:40 He can't afford enough electricity to run both at the same time, so he had to memorize that Linux distribution before turning off the floppy drive computer and turning on the CD burner computer. 03:25:43 He used more and ed. 03:26:04 Either that, or head and cat. I don't remember. 03:28:09 http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/psox.txt updated with the longnum spec! 03:29:22 Actually, I wrote my own IRC client. 03:29:27 IN... 03:29:30 HQ9++! 03:31:55 Oh, did I say HQ9++? I meant *machine code*. 03:32:35 Which I programmed into my computer by flicking a light switch on and off to represent binary 1 and 0. 03:35:24 bsmntbombdood: Why? 03:35:31 pikhq: because i can't? 03:35:37 XD 03:35:43 pikhq, did you see the updated spec? 03:35:45 Move to Colorado Springs. 03:36:36 Sgeo: Why wouldn't that format *not* be suitable for storage in Brainfuck memory? 03:36:56 (assuming, of course, that you only manipulate it using PSOX functions, and try to avoid overlaps) 03:37:41 pikhq, how would BF find the left end? 03:38:09 goto start;bf '[>>]'; 03:38:23 and it wouldn't be manipulated with only PSOX functions.. 03:38:28 pikhq, that's the right end 03:38:32 Oh. 03:38:46 Programmer needs to handle that. 03:38:53 (put a 0x00 before it) 03:39:29 How would the BF program add two longnums? 03:40:04 How would it traverse to a point in the middle of the longnum? 03:40:56 PSOX ADD longnum #1, longnum #2;read longnum from input 03:41:58 * Sgeo was thinking if maybe each indicator would indicate the number of data bytes remaining.. 03:41:58 (admittedly, there could easily be more efficient representations. . .) 03:42:12 Although that would limit the length of longnums.. 03:42:55 And would it really be useful? 03:44:31 Although that would hamper longnum's ability to be used as strings that can contain NUL... 03:47:22 Null-terminated strings, perhaps? 03:48:54 (although I doubt the practicality of, say, "2e10" versus ++>+>>+>>+>>+>>+>>+>>+>>>>) 03:51:29 pikhq, strings that contain NULs can't be NUL terminated.. 03:51:44 I mean like bitstring thingies 03:53:15 Well. . . Right. 03:53:31 I'd suggest sized strings, but those are a pain to deal with from Brainfuck. 03:54:40 pikhq: like in Pascal? 03:55:34 pikhq, longnums do work for the purpose.. 03:59:02 Interspersing amount of data left in the longnum might make it difficult for the client to send longnums 04:01:34 hm, the mere concept of variable-length numbers might cause problems with some languages.. 04:02:03 (receiving, anyway) 04:02:41 Pretty strong reason to avoid longnums unless necessary 04:03:19 e.g. in an ask the user for a number function, the client could say how many bytes the number can be, or 0 for a longnum 04:11:16 OTOH, I have no similar warnings about NUL-terminated strings.. 04:12:39 Maybe I should.. 04:26:49 * Sgeo will add warnings... tomorrow 04:27:25 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 04:30:47 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 04:57:49 -!- Figs has joined. 04:58:12 * Figs says something stupid... just because. 05:33:25 >>> ->+>+++>>+>++>+>+++>>+>++>>>+>+>+>++>+>>>>+++>+>>++>+>+++>>++>++>>+>>+>++>++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>++>++>>>>+>>++>+>+++>>>++>>++++++>>+>>++>+>>>>+++>>+++++>>+>+++>>>++>>++>>+>>++>+>+++>>>++>>+++++++++++++>>+>>++>+>+++>+>+++>>>++>>++++>>+>>++>+>>>>+++>>+++++>>>>++>>>>+>+>++>>+++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>+++>>++>++>+>+++>+>++>++>>>>>>++>+>+++>>>>>+++>>>++>+>+++>+>+>++>>>>>>++>>>+>>>++>+>>>>+++>+>>>+>>++>+>++++++++++++++++++>>>>+>+>>>+>>++>+>+++>>>++>> 05:33:38 was that too long? 05:49:01 what's a reasonable size for a brainfuck buffer? 05:49:22 4k? 05:53:31 +[>>+] 05:53:37 * pikhq grins evilly 05:54:06 The joys of a representation of infinity in PSOX's longnum format. 05:58:27 -!- calamari has joined. 06:01:12 pikhq: http://www.actionsquad.org/stahl.htm <-- you should go there, too 06:01:36 unless waist deep in sewage isn't your idea of fun? 06:10:03 Not really, no. 06:10:21 too bad 06:31:58 -!- importantshock has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:49:34 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:00:37 -!- importantshock has joined. 07:05:02 -!- ihope has quit (Connection timed out). 07:21:58 -!- importantshock has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:26:29 -!- importantshock has joined. 07:37:03 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:47:04 -!- importantshock has quit ("Meh."). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:30:18 -!- importantshock has joined. 08:40:42 haha 08:40:54 my brainfuck interpretter just went up in flames. 08:41:03 damn ye '['! 08:49:16 O_O 08:49:24 I just used a char*** for the first time in my code :P 08:51:09 Figs: in an mp4 metadata-parser i had to modify, i almost used a char**** 08:51:17 :P 08:52:10 ...then i said "No, just...no. Sure, the following code may not be as abstracted as it could be, but i'm not using four fucking stars." 08:52:20 :) 08:52:28 it's a charfuck! 08:52:40 that's what well call char**** 08:52:46 confuse people... 08:52:58 they'll think we're cursing when they see char**** in our code 08:53:01 char**** charfuck; 08:53:03 ^_^ 08:53:24 basically, I have a 08:53:31 char* [10000][2] 08:53:42 and I have a char*** to access the data 08:54:05 I wonder how the hell I learned to use that. 08:54:12 I've never seen anyone use char***s before... :S 08:54:14 huh 08:54:19 now I'm talking to myself, aren't I? 08:54:34 WALL OF TEXT REPLY! 08:54:42 ooh 08:54:44 i have an idea 08:54:47 do 08:54:55 #define fuck **** 08:55:01 haha 08:55:18 I think I will do that later 08:55:24 since I plan to obfuscate this program 08:55:34 and that'd just be classic :) 08:55:42 typedef char brain; 08:55:50 #define fuck **** 08:55:57 brain fuck ptr; 08:56:38 or maybe just brain**** pointer; 08:56:48 so that my code doesn't curse :) 08:57:06 and see if people get the jokes :P 08:58:24 oh 08:58:25 haha 08:58:29 I don't really need a char*** 08:58:32 I just a char** 08:58:34 :P 08:59:14 ah, gotta love C 08:59:20 no string support to speak of 09:00:50 :P 09:01:07 hehe >,< 09:01:13 in case you haven't figured out yet 09:01:22 I'm writing an obfuscated BF interpreter :) 09:01:32 modified a bit... 09:01:39 ` is now the quit operator 09:01:48 so I can do things like [`] to quit 09:01:53 if a value is zero :D 09:01:55 i wrote my first interpreter the other day! 09:01:59 for.... 09:02:04 HQ9+ 09:02:24 not a big deal, i know. 09:02:27 but i did it in haskell. 09:03:36 :) 09:03:44 I don't know what HQ9+ is 09:06:50 four instructions: 09:06:55 'h' prints Hello World 09:06:58 'q' prints Q 09:07:07 '9' prints 99 bottles of beer on the wall 09:07:16 and '+' increments an accumulator 09:07:22 :) 09:07:26 lol 09:07:57 huh 09:08:09 I am doing something stupid with me []s I think 09:08:14 my* 09:09:14 this is plain C? 09:09:32 yeah 09:09:37 I'm writing it in C 09:09:50 (writing the code for [ and ] in bf) 09:11:00 ooooh 09:11:15 now I remember why I wanted that second thing... 09:11:35 well, shit. 09:11:36 :P 09:11:51 :( 09:11:58 brain**** even! 09:12:02 :D 09:13:55 ooh 09:14:01 #define ass *** 09:14:05 nice 09:14:18 now, if only there were a two-letter swear word... 09:14:25 FU 09:14:27 :) 09:14:42 F(uck) (y)U(o) 09:14:57 sad thing is that I could actually make that mean something in C++ 09:15:12 that would be easy, yeah 09:15:19 :P 09:15:42 y swearword[]; 09:15:51 ? 09:16:09 "* SimonRC thinks that "references" is a fun word to type" <<< of you like that, you should try "oklopol" 09:16:14 wait, nevermind. 09:16:38 references references. 09:16:41 reeferences! 09:17:02 o.o 09:17:22 no references in C 09:21:09 grr segfault 09:24:28 i'd like to write a bf interpreter in haskell...but the amount of monads involved scares me. 09:24:56 lol 09:25:13 hrm 09:25:28 char [][] -> char*** is giving me trouble 09:25:37 maybe I'm totally wrong on that one :D 09:26:15 well, fuck it 09:26:19