00:00:05 blargh, this is pretty tedious stuff manually :PP 00:00:46 i'd really like to debug the program sofar before adding direction reversing... 00:00:52 not that he's here anymore 00:02:53 bloopp 00:07:19 i love asm <3 00:07:41 especially when writing mnemoniclessly 00:45:25 -!- Figs has joined. 00:47:43 !bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>++++++.------------. 00:47:53 !bf +[+] 00:48:08 did I get the wrong command? 00:48:09 :P 00:48:38 eg is not here 00:48:43 oh 00:48:46 :S 00:48:51 >>> bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>++++++.------------. 00:48:51 j^ 00:48:52 EgoBot is buggy. 00:49:12 Or, more accurately, EgoBot still manages to take 100% of my CPU when you jerks force it to. 00:49:23 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>++++++.------------. 00:49:23 th 00:49:23 sorry :( 00:49:36 GregorR: so 1) renice it 2) limit its cpu usage? 00:49:47 3) detect infinite loops 00:49:53 lament: I've done both of those. 00:50:01 I haven't limited its absolute usage. 00:50:16 Which I'm doing now :P 00:50:20 GregorR: proc limits 00:50:28 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>++++++.------------.---.+++++++++. 00:50:28 then 00:50:30 ...renice? 00:50:36 bsmntbombdood: Got all those, it just still allows infinite loops. 00:50:52 whuz "renice"? 00:51:03 put a .001 second sleep between every instruction 00:51:12 -!- EgoBot has joined. 00:51:22 oklokok: What bsmntbombdood just said is not renice. 00:51:27 bsmntbombdood: I didn't write the interpreters. 00:51:36 bsmntbombdood: However, I am doing that :P 00:51:39 run them in a vm 00:51:46 bsmntbombdood: But with eight running, they still collectively fuck up my system X-P 00:51:49 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>++++++.------------.---.+++++++++.>++++[>++++<-]>[<++>-]<.<. 00:51:50 then n 00:51:58 GregorR: then what is it? 00:52:14 oklokok: Oh, go get a real OS and look it up yourself :P 00:52:39 oklokok: man renice 00:52:51 GregorR: because you should limit collective usage, duh :) 00:53:04 i thought it was an english word i don't know 00:53:11 lament: Clearly - but I haven't found a good way to do that when I'm just system()'ing. 00:53:19 >>> bf ++++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+.---------. 00:53:20 [R 00:53:34 but indeed, unix prolly has stuff like that 00:53:35 [well, not system()'ing, but fork+execing, same idea] 00:53:36 >>> bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------. 00:53:37 e\ 00:53:39 :S 00:53:49 I can't count 00:54:01 !bf +[>+] 00:54:07 realloc: Cannot allocate memory 00:54:08 no ololobot pm? 00:54:11 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------. 00:54:12 of 00:54:23 !bf +[++] 00:54:39 GregorR: i don't know either :) 00:55:09 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------.>++++[>++++++++<-]>.<---.++++++++++++. 00:55:09 of } 00:55:15 get a real os and that's easy to do 00:55:18 I gave it maximum two minutes CPU time, but I'm also limiting it to 33% CPU, so I guess it has six minutes time :P 00:55:40 oklokok: Name one. And no, it's not even close to possible in Windows. 00:55:44 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------.>++++[>++++++++<-]>.<---.<++++++++++++. 00:55:45 of }r 00:55:57 my opinion is there isn't one 00:56:02 Heh X-D 00:56:20 Which is why he uses Windows, because it's obviously as close to the real one as can be ;D 00:56:24 http://www.codu.org/slox.php < my current solution 00:56:30 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------.>++++[>++++++++<-]>. 00:56:31 of 00:56:39 +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------.>++++[>++++++++<-]>.<. 00:56:43 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.---------.>++++[>++++++++<-]>.<. 00:56:43 of 00:56:49 i use both unix and windows, unix is better but my laptop feels nice on my lap. 00:57:11 * GregorR 's laptop runs GNU/Linux *shrugs* 00:57:40 So can our EgoBot crashing ability break slox, GregorR ? 00:57:54 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>.>++++++++[>++++<-]>.<<. 00:57:55 n n 00:58:04 Figs: what are you doing? 00:58:13 trying to figure out how to write "of course" 00:58:15 Sukoshi: No - but it runs one slox per process, so three processes = 100% CPU 00:58:21 but I sux0r :P 00:58:36 GregorR: Ah. 00:59:06 GregorR: can't you just store the pids and renice when it opens new processes? 00:59:36 oklokok: niceness doesn't actually limit CPU usage, it just changes priority. 00:59:48 how do you change cpu usage then? 00:59:48 Write your own scheduler! 00:59:55 oklokok: I use slox :P 00:59:55 *limit 01:00:00 I want my room not to be so hot from my P4 :P 01:00:06 i'll be uplooking then. 01:00:29 That BF should be close to dying now. 01:00:31 GregorR: Then get something other than a P4, dummy! :p 01:00:44 pikhq: Good thing I have giant piles of money lying around. 01:00:48 I think GregorR wants his room to be hot because of himself. 01:00:49 what's slox? 01:00:52 Yay, it died 8-D 01:00:58 oklokok: http://www.codu.org/slox.php 01:01:00 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.[>+>+<<-]>>---------.>++++++++[>++++<-]>.<<---. 01:01:01 of c 01:01:08 Ain't it though? 01:01:34 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.[>+>+<<-]>>---------.>++++++++[>++++<-]>.<<---.<.++++++.---.+.--------------. 01:01:34 of course 01:01:37 yay! 01:01:49 GregorR: why doesn't what i said apply then? 01:02:06 if that can change cpu usage via pid 01:02:57 oklokok: Oh, I see what you're saying. Adjust such that everything is at .3/ 01:03:01 Well that's a good point. 01:03:21 yeah 01:03:34 shouldn't be too hard 01:03:37 though might be. 01:04:12 wow, what a waste of my time 01:04:20 I can't even post it as a comment 01:04:31 8 hours till school 01:04:33 ] is disallowed 01:04:38 hey oklokok 01:04:42 hey Figs 01:04:42 did you ever play my song...? 01:04:46 :D 01:04:47 :D 01:05:01 i was on camp... and i've been idling for a week now :\ 01:05:04 so... no :< 01:05:07 rofl 01:05:13 ok 01:05:16 are you ever going to? 01:05:19 or did you give up? 01:05:52 if i printed the score, it shouldn't be that hard, it's just a bit tedious reading from the screenm 01:05:55 *sceen 01:05:56 *screen 01:06:00 yeah 01:06:38 i can play most parts though, i just don't remember all of it without the score 01:07:17 there's the one quite mean part in the middle that i might need to work a bit 01:07:22 :D 01:07:36 * Figs is evil? :P 01:07:45 i've seen eviler :) 01:07:53 pieces, not people though! 01:08:01 :P 01:08:03 you're the most evil 01:08:13 horray! 01:08:14 http://cid-c86a72bd35ce57db.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Transfer/5.mid 01:08:23 it's not the song, it's all the cigarettes you're smoking in my head 01:08:34 ... :P 01:08:35 you're like the mafioso from hell 01:08:42 too bad I don't smoke 01:08:44 or drink 01:08:47 i do know that 01:08:57 * Figs rots in the corner for a while 01:09:23 new piece I just wrote today 01:09:31 I know it still needs work 01:09:34 :P 01:09:58 did you compose that? 01:10:01 yes 01:10:09 that's a lot more impressive 01:10:13 thank you ;) 01:10:33 can you play that one? 01:10:36 parts of it 01:10:43 I know the entire song is playable though 01:11:06 sounds easier to play than the other one 01:11:12 I'm sure it is 01:11:54 it's loosely based on Sonata form 01:12:33 C major - C minor - G major 01:12:39 the three sections 01:12:41 ah, yeah 01:12:59 the second theme should remind you a bit of Mozart's Sonata No. 16 in C 01:13:11 i know very little names. 01:13:13 since that's where I got the idea to write a sonata-ish song 01:13:21 i have no idea what 16 is 01:13:22 http://www.kunstderfuge.com/-/midi.asp?file=mozart/piano_sonata_545_1_(c)oguri.mid 01:13:25 it's that one 01:14:09 that change to minor was the thing i was most impressed by, it's a bit less impressive now that i know you did it knowingly :) 01:14:32 ... 01:14:35 rofl 01:14:37 :D 01:14:50 it should be more impressive that I did it knowingly 01:14:57 i don't do much ...non-polyphonic music on piano nowadays 01:15:09 I'm trying to arrange this one 01:15:23 but it doesn't seem to be quite sonata like any more when I do 01:16:00 not imo, i think it's pretty impressive if you'd copy a trick like that from classical music without noticing it. 01:16:46 http://www.kunstderfuge.com/-/midi.asp?file=mozart/piano_sonata_545_1_(c)oguri.mid <<< doesn't work 01:16:52 i mean, the url 01:19:19 copy and paste 01:19:56 oh 01:23:27 http://cid-c86a72bd35ce57db.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Transfer/Sonata3tmp.mid 01:23:48 you can see what I mean 01:25:21 yeah 01:27:55 how is the melody though? 01:28:41 nice and zelda :) 01:28:45 :P 01:29:00 you like the additional relative minor extention to the theme? 01:29:12 (the backround is pretty zelda, that is) 01:29:16 0:19-end 01:31:09 hmm 01:31:13 in the long version 01:31:15 ? 01:35:07 damn i gotta go sleep some. 01:35:37 Figs: did you write those MIDIs? 01:36:47 yes rodger 01:36:57 absolutely fantastic work 01:36:57 oklokok: Go sleep then :D 01:37:03 thank you :) 01:37:21 I'm truly impressed- the sonata is beautiful 01:37:34 you're talking about mine, right, and not the Mozart one? 01:37:46 * Figs is just checking 01:38:09 (the ones on Windows Live are mine) 01:38:15 yeah 01:38:20 thanks :) 01:38:49 going to sleep is hard. 01:38:50 have you ever considered composing music for games? 01:38:57 yes 01:39:35 I haven't quite got a game together yet to do the music for 01:39:49 but I have some ideas once I do 01:41:24 I'm in the process of building a series of libraries and game engines to help speed up game development with Java- a couple demos of what I'm working on are here http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/CRPG/ and here http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/steamlock/ 01:41:43 would you be interested in teaming up? 01:42:05 could be fun 01:42:15 I must warn you though I have a tendancy to get side tracked :P 01:42:22 haha, same here 01:42:38 I've got like a dozen projects :P 01:42:46 well, more like half a dozen 01:42:51 I'm not *that* bad (yet) 01:42:52 but I figure music, like art, is something that can be slowly made a little at a time as a game is developed 01:43:09 yeah 01:43:21 but if you're just sitting around trying to build an engine... :P 01:43:27 if you could stir yourself to make a track every few weeks, I could furnish games around them 01:43:43 i have over 100 projects unfinished easily :< 01:44:01 I'm probably getting close to 1000 01:44:11 my "projects" folder tells me I have about 18 in the works 01:44:14 if you count every time I start a song and don't finish it 01:44:27 44.1khz 16 bit PCM 01:44:48 if you count in *all* the stuff i have not finished, then i might be close to 1000 as well... 01:44:54 i just meant programming projects 01:45:05 I'd probably actually finish a game except that I'm terrible at pixel art 01:45:21 pixel art is one of my specialties. :D 01:45:26 perfect :) 01:45:40 I'm actually working on some projects that will be very useful for a game engine later 01:45:44 in C++ though 01:46:00 well, even if we can't share code, we can still share ideas and assets 01:46:08 yeah 01:46:33 right now, I'm building a reusable scripting engine that's easy to splice into an existing game engine 01:46:46 that's kind of what I'm doing, except not... :P 01:47:12 I wrote basically a runtime defined class a couple days ago 01:47:13 if you're interested in poking around at what I've completed, take a look at this: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/CogEngine/CogEngineA01.zip 01:47:42 and I'm working on a dynamic table class right now 01:47:59 I have a basic parser done, but it needs a lot of work to really be useable 01:48:08 I'm basically implementing a modified version of FORTH with a system for extending the language with class-specific functions 01:48:20 ah 01:48:44 so far, I'm more or less set, aside from flow control 01:48:48 the way my code actually seems, it's like I'm building a scripting language inside C++ :P 01:48:51 ok 01:49:05 you're implementing forth in java? 01:49:09 you're truly insane 01:49:12 :P 01:49:21 and I'm not crazier? 01:49:22 #1) a minimal subset 01:49:35 #2) less of FORTH's odd low-level stuff 01:49:49 it's more like a language *inspired* by FORTH 01:49:56 but... why not just embed a real language? 01:50:06 this is a real language 01:50:09 i'm sure there's foo-in-jvm for some useful values of foo 01:50:20 sure, but you have to write it instead of concentrating on the game 01:50:41 developing the library is what I'm all about 01:50:54 anybody can glue together a bunch of chunks of the Java API and call it good 01:51:05 I'm working to make things elegant 01:51:28 and this certainly isn't the only thing I'm working on 01:51:32 While I tend to agree with you, it's also a big reason why most people never finish things... :) 01:51:47 yes, "reinventing the wheel" is. 01:51:48 if(-1 < 0) exit(0); // Can you tell me the scenarios where this *won't* exit? 01:52:01 language? 01:52:02 lament: except when it's for fun 01:52:03 C 01:52:25 RodgerTheGreat: no, when it's for fun it's still a reason why people never finish things. 01:52:40 1) when the code is completely skipped by, example, another block around it 01:53:36 I'll let you know if I can think of a #2) 01:53:58 Okay, fine. 01:54:20 So it's: if(mem_offset < 0) ERROR("Went left of the array.\n"); 01:54:37 And my printfs tell me that mem_offset == -1. 01:54:47 rafb.net/paste 01:54:59 let's see what you got :D 01:55:06 http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bfi.c 01:55:22 that works too 01:56:07 where's your error? 01:56:11 or not working bit? 01:56:15 In the "<" block. 01:57:46 i'd look at it if the mime type was set correctly! :) 01:58:01 (firefox doesn't want to display it) 01:58:07 type error 01:58:16 mem_offset is an unsigned value 01:58:20 Oh. 01:58:20 isn't it? 01:58:24 Duh. 01:58:35 that's reason #2, I guess 01:58:38 * pikhq feels stupid. 01:59:05 don't feel too stupid, that one got me too for a few minutes. 01:59:17 Now to see what the other bug is. 01:59:26 what other bug? 01:59:32 The program I was testing it on, in egobfi8, doesn't go left in the array. 01:59:38 Well, doesn't go that far left. 02:00:09 if you go too far left, then effectively, you end up at 0xFFFFFFFF I think, assuming 32 bit 02:00:18 (03:53:07) (pikhq) So it's: if(mem_offset < 0) ERROR("Went left of the array.\n"); 02:00:18 (03:53:24) (pikhq) And my printfs tell me that mem_offset == -1. 02:00:29 hah, i figured it out without seeing the code :) 02:00:47 Figs: Yeah, that's how I found out that that was even an issue. . . 02:01:00 Believe it or not, realloc blows up on something insane like that. 02:01:04 :P 02:01:30 oklokok, you're supposed to be sleeping :P 02:02:50 why not just go C++ and use a deque? 02:03:04 then you can go left as much as you want 02:03:08 oh 02:03:11 indeed i am :\ 02:03:22 you sure this isn't my dream? 02:03:25 sleep chatting, eh, oklokok? :P 02:03:28 I've done it before 02:03:34 dream chats... 02:03:39 i did just own you all by seeing through that error like a glass window 02:03:41 I'm pretty sure this isn't your dream though 02:03:49 sounds like a dream to me 02:03:52 i rarely own 02:04:02 i often irc in my dreams 02:04:03 actually 02:04:04 re-read what you just said 02:04:12 if it still says the same thing 02:04:14 you're awake 02:04:24 that trick doesn't work for me, i've tried it in my sleep 02:04:24 that's one way to test if you're asleep 02:04:30 ok, then pull your finger 02:04:37 and believe it will stretch 02:04:42 WILL it to stretch 02:04:55 it's not stretching, huh? :P 02:04:58 nope :P 02:05:02 you're awake. 02:05:04 And so am I. 02:05:24 Well. . . 02:05:29 :P 02:05:41 ok, you can be asleep pikhq. But neither of us. 02:05:58 RodgerTheGreat, are you interested in doing graphics for a platformer, by chance? 02:06:11 I think that what's in memory does not at all match the actual file. 02:06:28 I get to 2053 in the "to_interp" string. . . 02:06:35 Printf says that's a ]. 02:06:36 o.o 02:06:47 My file says that it's a *completely* different character. 02:06:49 Figs: I'd be happy to help out with whatever you need 02:06:57 what type of platformer are we talking? 02:07:06 explorer/adventure 02:07:14 sounds like fun 02:07:29 I have a few ideas for it, but not the full thing yet 02:08:48 Can you see anything else that's wrong in my bfi.c 02:08:48 ? 02:09:00 Preferably before I stab gcc. 02:10:36 nothing comes to mind 02:10:42 doesn't mean it's right though :P 02:11:05 In fact, it's 100% *guaranteed* to be wrong. ;) 02:12:01 now you've got me wanting to write a BF interpreter 02:12:05 BUT 02:12:17 I shall not give in just yet 02:12:24 I will wait till I finish my new parser 02:12:27 and do that as a test 02:56:13 -!- jix has joined. 03:06:38 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 03:34:37 -!- ihope_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:26:48 'night, everyone 04:27:04 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit. 04:28:00 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 04:28:36 nvm 04:28:59 -!- RodgerTheGreat has changed nick to RodgerTheZZzz. 04:39:13 `night 04:49:17 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 06:22:16 bf is easy 06:22:47 Trivial, even. 06:22:57 (in conclusion, I hate C) 06:23:02 I love C 06:23:28 >>> bf +++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.[>+>+<<-]>>---------.>++++++++[>++++<-]>.<<---.<.++++++.---.+.--------------. 06:23:29 of course 06:23:40 When a language makes you wonder "Why the hell is my *Brainfuck* interpreter not working", I tend to hate it. 06:24:01 i need to write a bf in bf 06:24:15 good luck with that 06:24:42 write a C compiler in BF! 06:24:50 that's pointless 06:25:09 ... and then... run it with C? 06:25:12 meta! 06:25:16 * Figs runs away 06:25:49 movie time 06:26:36 i hate the fucking dead pixel on my monitor :( 06:27:09 lol 06:27:26 it's red :( 06:31:04 stab it 06:32:48 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:33:12 >>> bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. 06:33:12 Hello World! 06:33:53 -!- puzzlet has joined. 06:34:05 >>> bf ,[.,]<< >>> bf ,[.,] << ? 06:34:23 no shift 06:34:32 don't you need a shift? 06:34:35 oh 06:34:36 nevermind 06:34:45 I thought you were doing something else :P 06:34:50 * pikhq stabs ololobot 06:35:05 >>> bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. 06:35:06 8 06:36:58 how would you write a BF program to convert a byte to a printable representation? 06:39:08 Take a look at my atoi macro. 06:52:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_BASIC 06:58:42 shit 06:58:48 I'm using google as a spell checker 06:59:58 And it suggests "indiscriminant" instead of "indiscriminate"? 06:59:59 wtf! 07:00:13 indiscriminant isn't a word O.o 07:00:15 is it? 07:00:24 well, discriminant is 07:00:51 so it clearly _could_ be a word 07:01:13 Webster gives me nothing 07:01:54 and discriminant only seems to be a word if you're talking about math 07:02:02