< 1186876806 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the factorial is based on multiplication which is based on addition < 1186876829 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my proof nice :p < 1186876846 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, mine is nicer. < 1186876850 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiom: 2+2=4 < 1186876853 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, 2+2=4. < 1186876881 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO PROVE ANYTHING: < 1186876881 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait! < 1186876888 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q => p < 1186876890 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q. < 1186876892 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have x |- x as an axiom! < 1186876893 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, o < 1186876895 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p < 1186876904 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, modus ponens! < 1186876926 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P, THEREFORE P < 1186876931 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1186876933 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win < 1186876933 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, therefore I think! < 1186876940 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think! < 1186876947 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win, therefore I win. < 1186876949 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win. < 1186876953 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I win. < 1186876955 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win. < 1186876968 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i Always win... because... eh... LOOOK IT'S SUPERMAN < 1186876974 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lungs are gasping for air, and telling you people to keep the funny down < 1186876975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1186876989 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, therefore I think! < 1186876997 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't find that hilarious < 1186876998 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, therefore I win. < 1186876999 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dooooo < 1186877012 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, therefore you unexist. < 1186877026 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disappears now!
< 1186877030 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, something I find hilarious... < 1186877033 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain Shakespeare? < 1186877045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain shakespeare will rescue thou. < 1186877060 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enforced is another law. < 1186877066 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brought is justice. < 1186877089 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1186877115 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obey Newton's laws or face elongation! < 1186877268 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thee, not thou! < 1186877308 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186877309 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1186877317 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1186877320 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPEN! YOUR MOUTH! < 1186877375 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPEN! NO, YOUR MOUTH! < 1186877379 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1186877395 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i had a question for you < 1186877398 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kung Pow: Enter the Fist<3 < 1186877401 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought you might wanna know. < 1186877401 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best. Movie. EVER < 1186877421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1186877591 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This? http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kung_pow_enter_the_fisthot_shots/ < 1186877620 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will it be as good as this? < 1186877623 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kung_pow/ < 1186877664 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Daddy Day Camp isn't as good as this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daddy_day_care/ < 1186877814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: what is it? < 1186877822 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: glad you asked < 1186877824 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not remember. < 1186877826 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1186877860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see you mentioning my name in the logs since i was last on < 1186877868 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186877871 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186877875 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i remember < 1186877882 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about pi < 1186877903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that base with equal digits thing? < 1186877912 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any n, is there a base in which pi's first n digits are the same < 1186877912 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1186877918 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer base < 1186877933 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. 1. < 1186877935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the initial 3? < 1186877938 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1186877940 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159... < 1186877942 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-33-62.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1186877945 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first digit is the same as itself. < 1186877959 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: that's not what i mean < 1186877965 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a base for any n. < 1186877968 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some n < 1186877986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every" < 1186877997 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah < 1186878010 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for any. < 1186878023 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any means either of those i guess < 1186878030 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1186878033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any is one of english's subtle points < 1186878083 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a case where it definitely doesn't mean "some"? < 1186878104 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Help) I need anybody... < 1186878118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is clearly impossible to include the 3, because 3.333... must approach 3 as the base gets large < 1186878128 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1186878133 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understood that much < 1186878147 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just mean the decimals < 1186878150 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1186878155 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is that the correct term < 1186878181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's look at 3.xxxxx... in base b < 1186878191 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the fractional part? < 1186878195 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the decimal part? < 1186878208 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractional part < 1186878297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 3+x/(b-1) < 1186878311 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186878353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must have x < b-1 < 1186878381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately that's what we want < 1186878415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since pi can be approximated as close as we want by a rational number, we can get that as close to pi as we want < 1186878447 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :follohmm < 1186878452 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1186878458 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"follohmm" < 1186878508 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually thought you either couldn't tell me the answer or couldn't explain it to me, but that's actually pretty obvious < 1186878537 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thanks, though i was actually telling you i had a question to you even though i didn't remember it just for the heck of it. < 1186878539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there is a problem in that the closeness may still be too big compared to b < 1186878546 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186878554 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1186878585 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186878596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. we could risk that 3.x is really close to pi, but still x is not the correct _next_ digit < 1186878683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the approximation is still less precise than 1/b^2 < 1186878703 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while everything seemed so clear < 1186878715 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you had to make me realize i hadn't gotten it. < 1186878721 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1186878757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be related to a pretty weird theorem i (vaguely ;)) recall about pi - let me look it up < 1186878783 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PP < 1186878992 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what i'd like to know even more is whether that is true for *any* irrational number < 1186879024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1186879036 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1186879043 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi would be a good start < 1186879071 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's *a* irrational number, and it's one of the most researched ones prolly < 1186879176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not however among the ones that are most easy to find digit properties for < 1186879184 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... yeah < 1186879199 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sqrt n you have a formula to get one digit at a time right? < 1186879209 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something like that < 1186879214 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps was just sqrt2 < 1186879240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an algorithm for calculating square roots, it's not a formula i think < 1186879291 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, algorithm, but anyway, a simple way to get digit by digit < 1186879306 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digit by digit? < 1186879325 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to approximate it arbitrarily well. < 1186879328 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err like get the digits one by one < 1186879334 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1186879715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot seem to find the theorem but it _might_ imply you cannot get better than 17 digits for pi < 1186879834 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1186879839 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1186879936 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186879948 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a digit extraction algorithm for sqrt(n)... < 1186879983 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tedious though, I've tried it with pen and paper and after 5 digits or so it starts to get messy < 1186880181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up trying to find it.
< 1186880203 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1186880217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _something_ like: |pi - p/q| cannot be less than 1/q^17, but how the heck do you google for that? < 1186880265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly gets the brilliant idea of googling for pi-p/q :)
< 1186880425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that found http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/01_incoming/approximable < 1186880482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I know that for irrational a there are infinitely many integer p and q such < 1186880482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> that |a - p/q| < q^-2 < 1186880482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and that in general you cannot do better than the exponent -2. < 1186880515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and mentioned later, the golden ratio is the worst) < 1186880632 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... so the answer to my question is "no" < 1186880652 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`'s intuition beat mine then. < 1186880675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pi, http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/69162.html says q^-42 is the best known bound < 1186880895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the first link implies it may really be around 8 < 1186881275 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be the worst approximation ever =) < 1186881425 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably graham's number < 1186881624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks it up instead of blathering yet another vague recall
< 1186881626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ramsey-theory experts believe the actual Ramsey number for this problem is probably 6, making Graham's number perhaps the worst smallest-upper-bound ever discovered." < 1186881646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although my vague recall _was_ right) < 1186881708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "More recently Geoff Exoo of Indiana State University has shown (in 2003) that it must be at least 11 and provided evidence that it is larger." < 1186881765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ironic if someone proved the actual answer _is_ of the order of Graham's number < 1186881782 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186881789 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dilemma dilemma dilemma < 1186881814 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am creating an imaginary character for online use... < 1186881841 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure whether it should give any hint that it is imaginary. < 1186881913 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have my real self in the same online group (though no connection has been suggested) I think I will keep it completely in-character. < 1186881919 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advice? < 1186881938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, i thought you were talking about unicode characters :D < 1186881938 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes, but his client is still listening and logging.
< 1186882899 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variation of the tree-in-a-forest problem: < 1186882911 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we keek SimonRC, does it matter that his client is "listening and logging"? < 1186882913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kick < 1186883261 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh why can't msn messenger record webcam... god i hate that program < 1186883373 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can skype do it? < 1186883383 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my msn can't do webcam at all (not supported on mac) < 1186883419 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there programs that use the messenger protocol and can record webcam? < 1186883439 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't exactly tell ppl i wanna record to change to scype... < 1186883449 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(recording my gf, don't worry) < 1186883535 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't matter who i'm gonna record, why the fuck doesn't this thing support recording < 1186883547 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... blargh < 1186883593 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about scype < 1186883598 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*skype < 1186883614 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it allows recording but no one i know uses it < 1186883684 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186883814 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1186883816 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1186884270 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back < 1186884277 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss? < 1186884282 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1186884299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, although I can add something to miss. < 1186884300 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed it! It was the most amazing thing ever! < 1186884317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proves the stupidity of argument ad Hitler. . .
< 1186884342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler thought that eating meat was terrible. Since Hitler was evil, vegitarianism is evil. QED. < 1186884345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1186884370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he really think eating meat was terrible? < 1186884379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find a citation for that
< 1186884379 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe sort of. < 1186884382 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he couldn't eat meat, a medical thing < 1186884400 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that thinking eating meat is terrible thing is just propaganda < 1186884402 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a form of thinking it terrible. < 1186884404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{fact}} < 1186884417 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just repeating stuff i heard when i heard this conversation last...) < 1186884421 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds up a sign that says {{fact}}
< 1186884440 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to bring it to some political speech. < 1186884444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds up a sign saying {{fact}}{{fact}}
< 1186884461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove that you need a citation! < 1186884471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{npov}} < 1186884480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something like that) < 1186884560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Apparently he ranged from "Meat is evil" to "Kill that cow, damn it, I'm hungry!" < 1186884588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the deranged range < 1186884619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1186884637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(citation: [[Vegitarianism of Adolf Hitler]]) < 1186884683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix link (Vegitarianism -> Vegetarianism) < 1186884695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1186884794 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cites WP:V
< 1186885053 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r01snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1186889469 0 :Svenstaro!n=sh@c144205.adsl.hansenet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1186890362 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242399611.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1186891989 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1186892275 0 :wellons!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1186893226 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186893910 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of you guys might like this: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/images/watchers.png < 1186894022 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too hard to see the texts at this hour :P < 1186894082 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're reeeeeeeeeally small) < 1186894991 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make like a glass and magnify < 1186895022 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnnity mag < 1186895099 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if tabs could be abstracted more < 1186895201 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1186897068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real numbers fail < 1186897085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything should be rational < 1186897114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rational numbers are a *subset* of the reals. . . < 1186897122 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh... < 1186897139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would assume that a real would succeed at the same things that rationals do. < 1186897157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just wants to be able to work with the set of *numbers* in his code. ;p
< 1186897198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except reals are ugly < 1186897206 0 :Svenstaro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just use improbable numbers? < 1186897207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme lets you do that < 1186897245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. sqrt(2) is ugly. :p < 1186897295 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to be sqrt(2), just arbitrarily close to it < 1186897410 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58/41 < 1186897413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to know why I want to be able to do reals? < 1186897427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want infinite storage, dammit. < 1186897435 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite storage? < 1186897437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 17412268/12312333 < 1186897446 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite storage is impossible < 1186897453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: A real can store every number between -oo and oo. < 1186897453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: prove it < 1186897458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me dream, at least. < 1186897480 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anyone capable of making an infinitely big hard drive < 1186897484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a real can store every _real_ number between -oo and oo < 1186897488 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to get an infinite amount of iron < 1186897491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1186897498 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turn it into an infinite amount of bit < 1186897499 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turn it into an infinite amount of bits < 1186897507 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can store infinite data? < 1186897518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is when I'm dreaming. < 1186897520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: do you know anyone who has written an algorithm to solve an NP complete problem in P time? < 1186897523 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1186897527 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, it must be impossible < 1186897562 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what in what time? < 1186897577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1186897587 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night, guys < 1186897602 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can spend your whole life gathering iron and silicon to make a hard drive and never get an infinite amount. < 1186897604 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1186897631 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every living thing in the universe could spend their whole lives gathering iron and silicon for you and never get an infinite amount. < 1186897643 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: are you sure that's a valid proof? < 1186897662 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: of course it's not, i was demonstrating immibis wrongness < 1186897664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: I *want* reals, I'm not saying that it's at all possible. ;) < 1186897685 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: sorry, i misunderstood what your point was < 1186897688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who doesn't know the definition of P and NP is not qualified to speak about impossibility, period. >:) < 1186897707 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1186897715 0 :Svenstaro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is impossible, just improbable :P < 1186897733 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P and NP = probable and not probable? < 1186897738 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh no < 1186897743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solving the halting problem for turing machines with a turing machines... < 1186897749 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg that's like the basicest basics < 1186897758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Nothing is impossible, just improbable :P" < 1186897795 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: you gotta learn some basics, it hurts me if you don't know what those are :P < 1186897803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deterministic) polynomial and non-deterministic polynomial < 1186897810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hurts this high-schooler as well. < 1186897907 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1186897941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he left to learn? < 1186897946 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1186897956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought it was polynomial and non-polynomial. . . XD
< 1186897969 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too, but let's not tell oerjan
< 1186897992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I kinda assume 'deterministic' for both. < 1186898011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION crosses pikhq and oklokok off his list of people qualified to speak of impossibility >:)
< 1186898022 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1186898025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm 17, and willing to admit mistakes. < 1186898060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, apparently, I'm wrong. < 1186898061 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i guess he'll be waiting for your enlightenment with an eraser in his hand < 1186898071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUM < 1186898082 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 18, too late for me. < 1186898094 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is sealed < 1186898097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When 18, I also plan to be willing to admit mistakes. < 1186898123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'll probably still be doing stupid stuff like quines. < 1186898136 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been watching so much friends this week i can't really think at all right now. < 1186898154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really *watch* TV
< 1186898171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't either
< 1186898191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/quine.c My first quine in C, btw. < 1186898200 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched a pretty decent tv series < 1186898201 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, i just dl'd all friends and decided to watch them all. < 1186898300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and friends was pretty good in the the beginning < 1186898322 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the last episodes most < 1186898332 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last? < 1186898333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts on my stupid bit of Quinery? < 1186898343 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1186898375 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like un-firstish episodes. < 1186898499 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's a pretty normal quine :P < 1186898501 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say more < 1186898516 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never made a quine in C < 1186898531 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'd've'd to do it like that... and it seemed boring < 1186898560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also my first quine not taking advantage of Tcl's introspection. . . < 1186898602 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1186898604 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 LIST < 1186898610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (x) `(,x ,'x)) (lambda (x) `(,x ,'x))) < 1186898644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, never mind. . . < 1186898680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My quine actually just rewrites the proc command in Tcl to store the "code" argument. . . < 1186898693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you miss a ' i think < 1186898703 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1186898799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think it should be ',x < 1186898805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[lambda x {$x $x}] [lambda x {$x $x}] < 1186898825 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh blargh < 1186898827 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> ul i < 1186898828 0 :ololobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> i < 1186898831 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i are type bad < 1186898831 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine! < 1186898838 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1186898848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine "quine" < 1186900813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1186903339 0 :Svenstaro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1186903648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1186904022 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1186905599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1186905600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1186906668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very bad quality music video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=A4cFYmsuZ60 < 1186906757 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it notable? < 1186906811 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches
< 1186907307 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1186907326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 days till school < 1186907466 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 weeks for me :) < 1186907697 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1186907925 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1186908713 0 :jix!n=jix@evoke-party-visitors.vipri.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186910769 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-78.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1186911716 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.90.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1186914645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1186914669 0 :jix!n=jix@evoke-party-visitors.vipri.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186918184 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1186918415 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1186919042 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school in 2 days < 1186919474 0 :Svenstaro!n=sh@d008113.adsl.hansenet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1186920362 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1186922158 0 :jix!n=jix@evoke-party-visitors.vipri.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186923119 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 days for me < 1186924954 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes SG-1.
< 1186925010 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your quine is like the Thompson quine but ugly < 1186925249 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1186925440 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quine < 1186925982 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1186926089 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1186927076 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/quine.c My first quine in C, btw." < 1186929379 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG-1 ftw < 1186930136 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: being such good sci-fi, the Scifi Channel aren;t showing it. < 1186930139 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1186930153 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it was cancelled :) < 1186930155 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(* < 1186930173 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 10 episodes left < 1186930207 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1186930220 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you following it on SkyOne/Two? < 1186930238 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm downloading < 1186932895 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-50-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1186934026 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1186934045 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1186934136 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokookko < 1186934227 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that quine sucks < 1186934290 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){char *s="int main(){char *s=%c%s%c;}printf(s,37,s,37,10);return 0;}%c";printf(s,37,s,37,10);return 0;} < 1186934290 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186934521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Outlook_Express_ < 1186934531 0 :Outlook_Express_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sick_bastard < 1186934553 0 :Sick_bastard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SimonRC < 1186934721 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186934739 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1186935874 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did pikhq cite another wiki article 14 hours and 14 minutes ago? < 1186936058 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: ITYM 34 < 1186936069 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1186936070 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186936487 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-125.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1186936505 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone < 1186936645 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how offensive < 1186936710 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i'm definately not going to 'hi' everyone, i have *some* decency < 1186936723 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be like an unbelievable flood < 1186936736 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I just use the macro < 1186936929 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did not use the macro! < 1186936931 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macro is & < 1186936933 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said hi everyone < 1186937524 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186937530 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me an interesting fact about... base 21! < 1186937817 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to watch SG-1.
< 1186937842 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 in base 21 is 10. < 1186937869 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!! < 1186937878 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/20 in base 21 is 0.{1} < 1186937893 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to watch SG-1.
< 1186937901 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes says that a good plot for a first-contact story would be "hello, we are working in base 10 today. what about you?" and i agree. < 1186937904 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1186937922 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliens: "what do you mean pi starts 3, 1, 4? you are evidently fools! goodbye!" < 1186937926 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1186937932 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1186938056 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example my math teacher always gave was that a group of aliens come to earth, claiming peaceful intentions. To confirm that the aliens are telling the truth, they ask the aliens how many of them there are on the ship < 1186938078 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aliens respond 103, but when the humans count them, they find 67. < 1186938092 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing the aliens must be liars, the humans proceed to destroy the aliens < 1186938116 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, as a doctor is examining one of the corpses, he starts to look very worried < 1186938132 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir," he says, "The aliens only have four fingers on each hand!" < 1186938144 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1186938177 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guys :p < 1186938186 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And that's why a proper understanding of base notation is vital to the future of humanity" < 1186938263 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly inspiring < 1186938277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like base 100 < 1186938282 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe base 1000 < 1186938285 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he was a pretty good teacher < 1186938314 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is at least a googol atoms in the universe right < 1186938318 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its googolplex that overflows it? < 1186938326 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :known universe < 1186938337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1186938341 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1186938347 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking "base googol" < 1186938348 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186938363 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"g_64 is only 384729834723942394 digits!" < 1186938368 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then some!" < 1186938560 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i've just realised how much i hate idioms < 1186938564 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die, idioms. die! < 1186938618 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idioms are peanuts to dogma and dead metaphors < 1186938641 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i hate everything that isn't logical in language! < 1186938641 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1186938671 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogma isn't logical, and dead metaphors degrade the beauty and cleverness of language < 1186938725 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEEEED < 1186938774 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd thing about lojban is how unalike it is to other languages < 1186938781 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't based in a SVO/VSO, etc. structure, for one < 1186938790 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"selbri" is a pretty unique idea when it comes to languages < 1186938802 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban is a lot like most languages imo < 1186938804 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1186938812 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not reall < 1186938813 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1186938815 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only place structure is different < 1186938843 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, argument place matters in lojban, whereas it rarely does in normal alngaueg < 1186938845 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :langs < 1186938885 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo i like quaternary < 1186938893 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does quaternary have many interesting properties < 1186938933 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numeral system. that is < 1186939005 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE SUBJECT OF MATHEMATICS: < 1186939007 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty hot system < 1186939023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a stupid and crazy New Age-esque page on pi: http://www.spiritart.org/Numbers/Pi/ < 1186939027 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pi can be considered a very mystic number, as it bridges the linear world with the curved or circular world. Pi itself may be an incredible relevant value for the physical universe, and therefore this page is dedicated for it. " < 1186939053 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I cannot write about this yet, but I feel Prime-Numbers are living beings, not as we imagine them as deceased beings for a form and ideas of being human, but they, as all numbers, are conscious beings; and there is a way to address Prime-Numbers in an affirmation and discover their hidden nature which has not been yet discover or cover by the solely mathematical approach. As soon I find reference material or by my own experience I will < 1186939053 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : include this here on this page. " < 1186939214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Especially the fibonacci-numbers with their strong connection to nature you can look at them as a prayer build by the names (invocation) of the names of the numbers making up the sequence. As we address human with their names, the fibonacci- numbers already manifested themselves in so many ways, that when we invoke them we honor and acknowledge their presence in all their manifestations. < 1186939214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, One, Two, Three, Five, Eight, Thirteen, Twenty-One, . . . " < 1186939245 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just absolute crazy stuff < 1186939247 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hilarious < 1186939392 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOOOOL < 1186939674 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186939895 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, lojban seems fun. Anyone got a textbook? < 1186939967 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186939970 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google lojban for beginners < 1186940070 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html < 1186940072 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading this < 1186940075 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1186940679 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pi also is considered a transcendental number (a mathematical term), it means it cannot be expressed by a ratio of two integers." No it doesn't. < 1186940703 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does imply that. < 1186940712 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not what the word itself means. < 1186940878 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1186940900 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(2) isn't transcendental, but it cannot be expressed by a ratio of two integers. < 1186940986 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transcendental \subset J \subset R \subset C \subset H < 1186940996 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\subset O < 1186941232 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my. < 1186941238 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those? < 1186941256 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J irrational, H quaternion, O octonion? < 1186941316 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, really, the number 7 is only needed for things like calculus and 1/7. < 1186941340 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsewhere, you only need 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. < 1186941378 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the occasional extension. < 1186941411 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like x such that x^7 + x + 1 = 0. < 1186941420 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by x^7, I mean x*x*x*x*x*x*x.) < 1186941439 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no. Not plus but minus x. < 1186942624 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is evil! :p < 1186943102 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^7 - x +1 = 0? < 1186943194 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the largest number used in the proof of fermat's theorem ins 12 < 1186943232 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have been graham's number :( < 1186943470 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, x^7 - x + 1 = 0. < 1186943541 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps the nimbers are nicer. < 1186943567 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a nimber called 7, but it's not the same as the number 7. < 1186943588 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*7 removes some ambiguity and then adds some. < 1186943606 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 7 is what it's called. < 1186943631 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 7 is what you call it when... um, actually, by that last sentence I didn't mean anything at all. < 1186946168 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, back to esoteric programming languages! < 1186946180 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, OISC. < 1186946198 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there one that's elegant, fast and small? < 1186946323 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, MiniMAX. < 1186946330 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse subtract and skip if borrow for the win! < 1186946356 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not elegant enough. < 1186946367 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program counter is location 0! < 1186946423 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like BCT is nice if your computer has ADD. < 1186946452 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something based a wrapping add to a specified location, a GOTO and self-modification? < 1186946456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, non-open source programming culture is so weird. < 1186946460 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO-ADD... < 1186946465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, efnet programming channels < 1186946480 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in particular, lament? < 1186946520 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different approach, different priorities < 1186946528 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the dolphin smalltalk death announcement? < 1186946590 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.object-arts.com/content/blog/2007Aug10.html < 1186946603 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the next-to-last paragraph < 1186946642 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So MiniMAX x,y,z puts the current x in the previous z then adds 3 to the current y to determine the offset in words? < 1186946659 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.nonlogic.org/images/watchersi.png <- on an unrelated note, here's an inked version of the comic I posted last night- somewhat better contrast on this one < 1186946801 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. interesting. < 1186946823 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It simply will not happen! Both Blair and I dislike the Open Source movement intensely and we would rather see Dolphin gradually disappear into the sands of time than instantly lose all commercial value in one fell swoop." < 1186947031 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dislike the Open Source movement intensely"? < 1186947046 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does he mean by "Open Source movement", exactly? < 1186947095 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's talking less about the practice of open-source and more about the religion. < 1186947107 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's talking about the practice. < 1186947231 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The practice of making stuff open source? < 1186947357 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the practice of making things "open source" is just to release the source, period. You don't even have to license things for them to be open-source. The religion is the belief that developers are "morally obligated" (or similar) to make things both open-source and licensed under a free software license. < 1186947393 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's significantly more to disagree with about the religion < 1186947402 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the religion thing is silly, in my opinion. < 1186947413 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how you could intensely dislike the practice. < 1186947449 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is anything that contradicts economic stuff in certain ways :-P < 1186947540 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just occurred to me how amusing the statement "Never deal in absolutes" is. < 1186947616 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never deal in whats? < 1186947681 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutes. like the linguistic equivalent of the mathematical "For All" symbol. < 1186947715 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1186947724 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/4/d/d4d49bead125261b226eaa867bd016ce.png < 1186947731 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing. < 1186947738 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never deal in upside-down A? < 1186947742 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1186947746 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind. < 1186947749 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never deal in anything? < 1186947751 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: no, just releasing the source doesn't make it open-source. < 1186947760 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go... < 1186947765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"open source" has a specific meaning and implies a free license < 1186947771 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't religion, this is what "open source" _means_ < 1186947945 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like "never say never"? < 1186947954 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather, "never say 'never'".) < 1186947964 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: alright, let me try to explain this again. An absolute is a statement that makes a sweeping logical statement, like "Everyone that plays baseball uses steroids", or "Nobody in poland knows how to tie a square knot". < 1186947976 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's equivalent < 1186947980 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1186948359 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Except "never deal in absolutes" is an absolute, obviously < 1186948474 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I was commenting on as funny. < 1186948562 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186948603 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random sorta-esoteric-idea i've had going on in my head for ages: < 1186948621 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game (well - a toy. there's no objectives) called Lucid. You get a randomly generated character and setting, then have complete control over it < 1186948643 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, for example, give a building legs (If the legs that you wanted were avaliable in the "catalog") < 1186948655 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. What variables in particular would you be able to control? < 1186948666 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something you want to give to something or similar isn't in the catalog, you can draw it, and some sort of simple-animation tool like a flash-for-dummies < 1186948682 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you could even give it custom actions beyond a set of default ones by coding it in some sort of scripting language designed to be good for it < 1186948686 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the interface be intuitive as that for lucid dreaming? < 1186948695 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :p < 1186948697 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: most things < 1186948723 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Gravity. Colour. Size. You could even change the script for a particular object < 1186948789 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, for instance, if you have enough keyboard shortcuts, jump in the air very high, materialize a random dummy, make it explode into confetti with a confetti-producing-machine-gun, get out a pneumatic drill, go down quickly to land, get rid of the pneumatic drill, and hop on to a worm, which would go faster than the speed of sound./ < 1186948796 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Providing, of course, you set up some of that beforehand < 1186948814 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of a multi-mode thing: you have keyboard shortcuts and some other fast ways of accessing the common options as-you-play < 1186948824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also pause and get a rich interface where you can take all the time you want < 1186948848 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's a god game but you control more than the creatures - you control absolutely everything, and can create things the game designers didn't < 1186948909 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it would, of course, be horribly complex to create < 1186948915 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but damn it'd be fun < 1186948947 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of have the programming language in my head < 1186948949 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write an example < 1186949034 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's hard to write an example without the enviroment of objects < 1186949041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kind of like a cross between IO and smalltalk in syntax < 1186949072 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of "object a(b, c)" (Io) or "object a withSomeLabel: b withAnotherLabel: c" it's "object a[b c]" < 1186949077 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that or object a[b, c] < 1186949087 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma-less is ambigious i think < 1186949187 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if-then-else is done like in Smalltalk: "true if{x}" returns "x call" (Note: {} is closure. [] can be omitted if the only argument is a closure), "false if{x}" returns false, < 1186949196 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1186949205 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional if{2} else{1} < 1186949209 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, false if{x} returns true < 1186949229 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably every method would ignore else < 1186949230 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1186949257 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cond if{2} else{cond2 if{3} else{4}} < 1186949272 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "if (cond) { 2 } elseif (cond2) { 3 } else { 4 }" < 1186949315 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! maybe elseif < 1186949336 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bool elseif[x, y]" is "bool else{x if[y]}" < 1186949339 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yeah, you get the syntax idea < 1186949468 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you won't write full definition blocks much < 1186949474 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there'll be a visual interface < 1186949481 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186949485 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when making an object, you'll have a tree of all the different events it can recieve < 1186949487 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in plain english names, etc < 1186949492 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilaksh >> Lojban < 1186949494 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just navigate to one and get a small textbox < 1186949515 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Christianity --> Newspeak < 1186949516 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically, it's like smalltalk with the visual interface on steroids, but much simpler < 1186949517 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a freeform system like that, a functional language might not be what you really want. Perhaps you could break the language into universal "rules" and "axioms", with objects carrying "properties" and "values" < 1186949524 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1186949534 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: That's not really functional what I have < 1186949537 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more object-oriented < 1186949564 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And universal "rules" and "axioms" are just properties (for e.g. gravity) or methods (for more advanced stuff) on some sort of Universe object < 1186949570 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, though < 1186949570 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1186949579 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note also: http://www.math.utah.edu/~palais/pi.html "Pi is wrong" Correct IMO < 1186949584 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but overriding behaviour for single objects is *exactly* what happens in lucid dreams < 1186949592 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, i can fly but nobody else can" < 1186949596 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1186949598 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, this building can walk but none else can" < 1186949598 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard < 1186949604 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hey, that's what happens < 1186949615 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not having much success with them yet < 1186949617 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been lucid and went "ok, everything that is blue MUST BE PINK" < 1186949627 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you probably went "ok, that blue thing MUST BE PINK" < 1186949633 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186949634 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not exactly the master of getting lucid either < 1186949643 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't managed to be lucid yet < 1186949644 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my current game model models it as well as i can think of < 1186949646 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not properl < 1186949650 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any hints?) < 1186949659 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, hint: < 1186949668 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until you have a dream whose plot is you doing various reality checks < 1186949678 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1186949698 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you have done about 10, you will think "wait... i am doing reality checks... and they are returning that i am in a dream... yet what i am doing in the dream, for some reason, is reality checking! wait a minu-" < 1186949705 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ actually happened to me < 1186949715 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i dreamed about doing reality checks < 1186949718 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do i get that far? < 1186949731 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember to do them often enough < 1186949744 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get that far - dumb luck < 1186949750 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to suddenly happen to have a dream about RCs < 1186949755 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not a very good way :) < 1186949778 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lucidipedia.com/misc/index.php this site's wiki is drowning in methods < 1186949794 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, i think Lucid might be even better than a lucid dream < 1186949802 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's some things that would be very hard to do in a lucid dream < 1186949804 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just using the everything2 guide < 1186949811 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: like? < 1186949814 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphing the universe so that pi is a different value for example. < 1186949824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain probably has no idea what a universe with a different pi looks like :) < 1186949830 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be.. interesting < 1186949833 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer program could have a good guess though < 1186949836 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the simplicity of some formulae for pi? < 1186949844 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: ok, visualize me a universe < 1186949849 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then visualize it with a different pi < 1186949851 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: like? < 1186949856 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leibniz' sum? < 1186949860 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 5.123 recurring < 1186949871 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do that - i'm impressed < 1186949874 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be one where pi became the normal value at small scales < 1186949877 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>now< do it when lucid dreaming and make the universe do that. < 1186949881 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186949884 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just about do negative and positiv curvature < 1186949894 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what about this - a 4-dimensional universe < 1186949897 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9! < 1186949899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bad example < 1186949902 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucid will be 2d < 1186949902 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: ?? < 1186949904 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 9!-dimensional < 1186949911 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186949917 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lucid would be good in 3d < 1186949939 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be too fussy, and the graphics would either have to be very good (not as fun! you can easily tell that pink elephant is fake!) or look absolutely horrible < 1186949947 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus placing objects and stuff would be annoying < 1186949951 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cartoony-2d style would be nice, i think < 1186949953 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1186949954 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too cartoony though < 1186949956 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186949967 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually dreams are very hard to draw < 1186949972 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186949982 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are percepts in them that *do not correspond* to a visual stimulus < 1186949992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really? < 1186949993 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, objects that do not have a colour < 1186949998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never noticed any. < 1186950004 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had a dream that has an object sans colour < 1186950008 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't dream in B&W, they mostly dream in *no colour* < 1186950013 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1186950014 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1186950016 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dream in colour < 1186950023 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you remember colours? < 1186950023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1186950024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dream in color, and i suspect that everybody does. < 1186950026 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186950026 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1186950039 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my dream recall isn't spectacular - everything is a little blurred and hazy < 1186950042 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i DO remember colours < 1186950048 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very detailed colours < 1186950051 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours like real life < 1186950069 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: dreams are very realistic < 1186950136 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: you just tend to not remember that < 1186950143 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1186950144 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not IMO < 1186950148 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are < 1186950152 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are wrong, whatever you remember < 1186950156 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186950162 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: how do *you* know? < 1186950166 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: you are wrong, just wait till you get a lucid dream and look around. < 1186950178 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't dream in full realism you would be lucid every time < 1186950183 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is scientifically tested < 1186950188 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although where i cannot recall < 1186950194 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186950211 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do they make no sense? < 1186950220 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh let's think < 1186950228 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the mind isn't barraged by things like - say, physical constants? < 1186950263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: no, that wouldnt't explain why they're realistic < 1186950264 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perception is excellent in dreams < 1186950269 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a interesting definition of "realistic" < 1186950269 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean perception, anyway < 1186950276 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186950277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your perception is realistic < 1186950281 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it all looks real < 1186950283 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186950285 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it all sounds real < 1186950286 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and feels real < 1186950287 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1186950297 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plots don't hang together < 1186950311 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, abrupt changes? < 1186950328 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: presumably because the dream-world is constructed at a level of consciousness which is capable of analyzing and modeling the physical world, but not of doing logic checks such as "but does this make sense" < 1186950337 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My near-lucidity AFAICT brings me into a slightly-conscious panicy non-thinking state < 1186950347 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ok < 1186950362 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lucid dreams so far have not been very convincing < 1186950365 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get lucid enough < 1186950369 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i woke up soon < 1186950372 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah that wiki reads like an advert < 1186950379 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: ditto < 1186950382 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i only remember it blurred < 1186950392 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i can do the basic stuff like morphing stuff and flying and all that < 1186950402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i got this audio library working and set up! < 1186950404 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was actually seeing out of my real eyes in one of them, but it was at 10am < 1186950431 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lucid dreams are always right before i would normally wake up < 1186950441 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i'll stop lucid dreaming half an hour before my alarm would go off < 1186950455 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm only lucid for one dream - the short dream before that < 1186950547 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there are *some* unrealistic sensations in dreams. when I read, I can really feel the strain of my brin inventing the text. < 1186950558 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can't read in lucid dreams < 1186950560 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any kind of dream < 1186950564 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just impossible and nobody knows why. < 1186950572 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep checking my (digital) watch < 1186950576 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRl, I mean < 1186950577 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it changes? < 1186950580 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1186950581 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl < 1186950611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read slightly, but the text is inconsistent and I can feel myself making it up < 1186950661 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you notice the previous words changing while you read new ones? :) < 1186950664 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite story generator! < 1186950676 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186950700 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"once upon a time there was a asdasd" "on a dark and stormy night tear col d asdasd" < 1186950707 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know when a program is using up all your CPU, making your mouse respond poorly. reading feels all stiff like the mouse feels stiff. < 1186950793 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1186950799 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what do you think about this game idea? < 1186950810 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be hard to make; of course < 1186950822 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the end product would be mind-exploding-awesomeness < 1186950955 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1186950972 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you could export/import just about everything < 1186951018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i want to write a program that needs microphone input, and my computer doesn't have a microphone.... < 1186951038 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1186951045 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tricky. < 1186951102 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think? really? :p < 1186951159 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the idea for Lucid from the Spore demo and http://www.official-linerider.com/play.html linerider < 1186951170 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of as a combination of those taken out of control < 1186951189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a pain to debug. I have to compile it, upload it somewhere, and then download and run it on my friend's computer (which doesn't have any devtools) < 1186951230 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could...get a microphone < 1186951262 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually. < 1186951357 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spore sounds like a game i might actually want to try < 1186951448 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1186951476 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just remembered the most irritating one though: I was using the power of my mind to change reality, and I failed to notice I was dreaming! Gah!) < 1186951572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if lucid was released today, on all the major platforms, with not-too-much hardware requirements, if it would sell well < 1186951579 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it wouldn't, because today's games market isn't creative < 1186951593 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants there to be 1 way to complete the game, and it wants to be shown that way < 1186951600 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants to be entertained only on a predefined path. < 1186952546 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it does sound terribly boring < 1186952725 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most striking aspect of my dreams, to me, is the dialogue. It's particularly interesting whenever someone starts to explain things (which happens quite often in my dreams.) < 1186952737 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Lucid? :( < 1186952743 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do anytthiiiiiinnnggg < 1186952785 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visually, my dreams are usually either strikingly realistic or highly abstract (I can recall 2d dreams). < 1186952819 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely have any dialog in my dreams < 1186952829 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond 3 or so muffled words < 1186952846 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d dreams... what was it like? < 1186952857 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have 1px of vision and black at each side or was the 1px of vision stretched out? < 1186952875 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like a SNES game. < 1186952887 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a third-person sidescroller < 1186952907 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1186952911 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third-person dreams < 1186952913 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have those often < 1186952920 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what a lucid third-person dream would be like < 1186953078 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto re third-person < 1186953130 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wiki partially contradicted the everything2 < 1186953203 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1186953204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1186953213 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well why do you think Lucid would be boring? < 1186953831 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot now < 1186953844 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1186953850 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186953855 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how long Lucid would take to make < 1186953857 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably years < 1186953859 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :years and years and years < 1186953863 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duke nukem forever-years < 1186953880 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many games have some kind of restriction or thing that is trying to stop you. < 1186953904 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucid is more a toy than a game :) < 1186953908 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no objectives < 1186953911 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from to have fun < 1186953928 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, of course, use the editor to code an objective < 1186953937 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will it be different from single-person Second Life? < 1186953946 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be 2d, and have much less restrictions < 1186953951 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1186953954 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll be able to completely modify everything < 1186953957 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity, universe code, everything < 1186953964 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's there, it's modifiable < 1186953967 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will things take a fraction of a second to render once they cme on-screen? < 1186953969 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can create new things too < 1186953975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, maybe < 1186953980 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not too noticable though < 1186953983 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186953987 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.3 seconds when you first spawn them < 1186953990 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll all be instant < 1186953995 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, of course, the game will pause for those .3 seconds < 1186953999 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should just be slightly noticeable, maybe < 1186954000 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any timing isn't destroyed < 1186954004 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186954005 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1186954016 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't give the impression of a universe you can morph in realtiem < 1186954037 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehn I am semi-lucid, i can tell that some things idon't appear until I looked for them < 1186954041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1186954042 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*When < 1186954054 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1186954062 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1186954067 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, with Lucid < 1186954067 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am lacking sleep, and it is 21:27. < 1186954069 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can code objectives < 1186954069 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bed-time! < 1186954077 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could code some simple AI objects, and some global triggers, and boom - catch the flag or whatevr < 1186954077 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzz < 1186954077 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1186954081 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1186954095 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise, excitement is also needed.) < 1186954097 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzz < 1186956149 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zz < 1186956576 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1186960333 0 :test_!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1186960822 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1186961146 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1186961181 0 :test_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1186961182 0 :test_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ehird`. < 1186961184 0 :test_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird` < 1186962343 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1186962873 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)